#vrchat-general-2

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cold talon
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is there an option to change size?

summer crater
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Oh xD my bad didnt know thx!

thorny plume
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Is there an option to disable icons fully or is that hide name plates

vocal shard
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there is also an option to change the size yes

forest mist
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Just wanted to say I support y'all and good luck.

cold talon
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ok that's neat

thorny plume
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I look at things like icons and think of them in terms of frame rate and how much I get back by turning them off :P

summer crater
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Btw love that new stabilization option they put in for first person pov

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Icons take that much frames huh? Havent tested extensivly yet

karmic rose
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im just wondering what will happen to the current color ranks? Will they be removed for the new look?
@vocal shard Name plates are all the same color. However, Trust Rank colors are still visible if you highlight a user. Trust was made more obscure to try and break down the division.

thorny plume
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Assuming a max player instance, each icon is a draw call, 80 draw calls

vocal shard
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yeah thats better. never liked the rank separation

hasty nacelle
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Dude I got vr because of vrchat, index, fullbody, so like, probably not gonna get +. But if either more important features come, or it becomes a one time payment, then I'll get it.

dense shell
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can someone help me please

vocal shard
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I believe that your rank color is instead your names color now :p

covert blade
dense shell
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can someone help???

vocal shard
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like breh the other day some dude in the cat went oh...its a bunch of special purple users....Like bro come chat we all human nothing special bout us.

karmic rose
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Dude I got vr because of vrchat, index, fullbody, so like, probably not gonna get +. But if either more important features come, or it becomes a one time payment, then I'll get it.
@hasty nacelle So you spent around 2K for VRChat, but you won't spend 120$ a year for it too?

I believe that your rank color is instead your names color now :p
@vocal shard The name font itself is white for everyone except your friends.

scenic cosmos
thorny plume
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Well increased tracker support and eye tracking could be Vrc+ as you're flooding the instance with more data and more resources used

golden scaffold
vocal shard
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Until I'm forced to spend money to upload my content to the game, then I don't care what the devs choose to do and I will continue creating for the community 🖤

dense shell
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legit ignored, nice. asking for help but not even a word for me

summer crater
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I mean giving some fun stuff is fine but somin that improve whole game shouldnt have to have vrc+ so hope they dont do that

scenic cosmos
thorny plume
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$10 for elbows and to eyeroll at people, ez cc swipe

unreal verge
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I wish there would be something like where you can interact with dynamic bones of others (but please not as VRC+ lol)

golden scaffold
vocal shard
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Welp... This game was fun while it lasted. Sayonara

reef silo
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one feature wished for almost 2yrs+ Dynamic bone interaction

scenic cosmos
hoary flower
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can't wait fofr shit to get dmca'd on vrchat

karmic rose
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I wish there would be something like where you can interact with dynamic bones of others (but please not as VRC+ lol)
@unreal verge Many people want features that mods have been doing, however, they fail to realize the performance overhead for a lot of these features.

cold talon
summer crater
hoary flower
reef silo
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yea im sure alot of new upcoming features are gonna be behind that banner while modded clients still roams the streets

unreal verge
heady salmon
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🤨 roko gonna be all "I'm leaving forever" over something so simple. dang, drama.

lapis root
cold talon
scenic cosmos
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Funny how people talk about performance when even opening the menu will drop your performance.

hasty nacelle
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Well the vr and fullbody truly Change the game. Like make everything 10x more fun, but with also compatibilities to all other vr games, but vrc+ just dosent seem very price to quality, ie. 100 favorites is given already by most other things like clients (which I don't use to clarify) but like I heard the customizable name plates may come, didn't vrc ban all that?

cold talon
lapis root
grim canopy
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This is new...

karmic rose
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Funny how people talk about performance when even opening the menu will drop your performance.
@scenic cosmos Most people I've seen complain about menu lag. are using mods with hundreds of avatars favorited. This is a huge performance impact. Emm tanks peoples performance for instance but people will complain and say it's the game's fault.

vocal shard
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facts

reef silo
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mm

scenic cosmos
grim canopy
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why is there a little comment above some of your names

vocal shard
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replys @grim canopy

cold talon
# lapis root Not yet

they haven't monetized the game till now because of the content on it, they aint gonna randomly make the game pay to play

scenic cosmos
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Also, the friends menu has been bugged like forever.

golden scaffold
winged epoch
grim canopy
opal whale
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one thing I'd love to see clarified is a situation like this:
I buy VRC+ for one month and use it, then don't renew the subscription because expensive or whatever.
Do I get to keep using the extra favorite-slots but unable to change them, will they get hidden so I can use them again when I renew or will they be completely removed and I have to search for those avatars again if I renew?
Same deal with the "custom image on Nameplate".

cold talon
unreal verge
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My menu only lags if people are changing avatars and the pc is already at max power. Have a fairly weak pc.

grim canopy
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oh gm spark

golden scaffold
lapis root
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Im trying to remain optimistic about VRC+, but honestly there is just not enough there to sell me on it yet

cold talon
grim canopy
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oh why seems very annoying lol

golden scaffold
opal whale
golden scaffold
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I lost track of time and may have been up all night so uh, thanks for the reminder that oh god it's morning.

reef silo
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i smell " unable to remove and add new fav avatars " after feature is disabled

soft timber
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are the extra favs hidden by random or by most recent?

unreal verge
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@grim canopy it's basically the same as emotes get deactivated in a Discord server if it levels down cause not enough boosts anymore.

cold talon
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btw, can we go back to 5 sec cooldown or at least 10sec 😢

scenic cosmos
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Well, being honest, I think VRC+ is expensive. IMO it shouldn't be giving features that only paid user can have, example: Custom icons... And they stated that there's more stuff to come, that's scary.

cold talon
golden scaffold
grim canopy
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you can ping them without pinging

unreal verge
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I just hope everything where we might be able to interact with other players with won't get VRC+

mental lily
opal whale
cold talon
scenic cosmos
golden scaffold
reef silo
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if only these features were not bundled up as one package ..... some of us may only be interested in just Custom Icons

robust juniper
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Wow, this is still going on?

unreal verge
scenic cosmos
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Also, I think that most of people here is forgetting that content in this game is mostly made by users.

lapis root
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Going forward with VRC+ are the updates planned for the future more cosmetic things, or will there be things like worlds that are VRC+ only? That is something I am a little concerned about.

cold talon
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but you can still search for who pinged, the reply will show up as a ping there

devout berry
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot, that I had a question when the devs are now talking - will there be localization at some time or will everything stay in English?

mental lily
# scenic cosmos Because VRChat has been free for Years, why don't just move to a donations model...

That's basically saying "I'd like for you to develop new features for me for free, and I'll pay you if I feel like it." This is a very expensive project to maintain with regards to server costs. If you would like for your experience to remain the same as it is right now, you would like for them to have a subscription service like this so they can avoid being beholden to additional investors which will make demands that will likely make you very unhappy, if they're even able to get additional investors at all 😞

opal whale
cold talon
unreal verge
soft timber
lapis root
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Another question. Is there plans for Creators to potentially partner with the VRC+ program and potentially earn revenue with their creations?

golden scaffold
scenic cosmos
thorny plume
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Just gotta sculpt it yourself vrpill

devout berry
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Looks like my question got flooded....

lapis root
scenic cosmos
golden scaffold
# devout berry Looks like my question got flooded....

It did not but I'm distracted by a cute pupper in my room. We're aware of requests around localization. Our intention is to keep VRChat available for everyone around the world, after all. No announcements there, but we hear you.

devout berry
unkempt cairn
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Vrchat Plus, thanks i hate it, fix the game features and make it harder to rip avatars instead of monetizing the game. Maybe that will encourage more creators to actually create when their work isn't stolen?

mental lily
# scenic cosmos It has been the same for years. They even mention that people has been asking fo...

Unfortunately server costs are a monthly expense, not a one time fee, and they're looking to make this project sustainable. They're not changing your existing experience, they're not taking anything away from you. In fact, they're giving you more avatar favorite slots for free. They're only adding some additional features for users who want to pay, and almost every running service out there offers something similar.

As for other games, show me a VR social platform that has over 10,000 users every day, otherwise it's not a valid comparison, because that's where the server costs come from. A small project with a couple hundred active users can be supported through donations.

formal dove
golden scaffold
teal yoke
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idk about this vrchat plus thing man

golden scaffold
formal dove
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I'm just getting a coffee at work, yay starbucks supervisor

teal yoke
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is it like a subscription service but for vrchat?

hasty nacelle
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Yep

vocal shard
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it is

thorny plume
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Unity 2019 LTS when vrpill

teal yoke
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aw man all i want is more than 16 avatar slots

golden scaffold
vocal shard
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no worries u gonna get...25

hasty nacelle
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Lol youll get 25 free, 100 with plus

teal yoke
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nice

vocal shard
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even tho i cant even fill up the current 16

hasty nacelle
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Know what we need, avatar folders for avatar creators and people with a lot of favorites

thorny plume
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It's fairly easy, especially if you provide optimised avatars for people to clone at events

golden scaffold
teal yoke
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unlimited avatar slots when 😳

compact kernel
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mods santa XD

hasty nacelle
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Doubt that could happeb but unno

vocal shard
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ohno no issues.. i just cant find anything good ..and since i make my own i never fill em up

golden scaffold
scenic cosmos
teal yoke
vocal shard
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yes

compact kernel
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none of my friends have

brittle juniper
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You can get banned for looking at someone wrong 😛

compact kernel
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ill be with the smart 90% though. not paying until work is done

robust solstice
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I hear you can get banned for fruit nowadays

mental lily
brittle juniper
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I mean, that's a design choice by the VRChat developers - it doesn't have to be that way.

compact kernel
golden violet
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It’s been available for what, 6 years or more?

vocal shard
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all im hoping for is that an upcoming update is gonna fix the stutters the first users have when other people go into a world.

formal dove
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I understand people's complaints, but I think it's alot of misinformation as to what's going on, I am reminding people in my friends groups and so on to not overthink it, it will be fine.

scenic cosmos
forest mist
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Monetization has to happen at some point and this is the last nefarious monetization they could have gone with. They can't survive on investors forever.

They really could start using your biometrics data of eye movement and more for advertising purposes. But this is extremely basic extra stuff. I'm assuming that they are going to try to absorb most popular clients and their functionalities in the next six months to a year.

The thing you need to understand from this is that they aren't taking anything away from the base user experience. Thats huge in my book. Instead they are adding stuff (though you can get a lot of it from clients) and it allows them to pay more for better developers. Most competent developers won't take positions with an unstable company that heavily relies on angel investors. I know Im not willing to apply to a job that relies on them.

They have to prove profitability at some point. And this is really well thought out and consumer friendly.

reef silo
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thought vrchat gains support donation or some kind from vr makers like oculus and there Quest.....otherwise what was the point in trying to make them work on a PC platform.

mental lily
robust solstice
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The paywall is fine, it's really the price that id say is an issue. It's just slight boosts and cosmetics anyway.

compact kernel
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id say one time payment by choice

reef silo
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price for 100 for a year with current feature aint worth its price.

golden violet
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That many actives has been a thing for almost 3 years, almost half of the age of the project

robust solstice
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arguing about it being there at all makes you insane.

vocal shard
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id pay a fiver.. but 10 is abit to much for me at this moment with whats announced

mental lily
scenic cosmos
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I would prefer paying 20 bucks for the entire game than a subscription model.

formal dove
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I'm fine with a sub model, it's sustainable for an ongoing development game

hasty nacelle
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It should stay PURLEY COSMETIC because once it affects the game too much it kinda fucks it over for the rest

mental lily
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How many indie games have you seen the multiplayer support die for? Those games have no user generated content and are cheaper to host, and usually have less than 10,000 players. You should be advocating for the sustainability of VRChat, not arguing against it

scenic cosmos
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I wouldn't trust a sub model on these devs, there's so many issues that have been around for like forever. I would like to see results first.

forest mist
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Subscription models are the most sustainable way of proving profitability. They can't stay on investors forever. Plus with a subscriber model they have an active reason to develop for the players rather than for the investors.

robust solstice
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if they put actually good content behind a paywall, people would be furious. So this vrchat+ is perfect. It's boring and too expensive for what it is. I like it.

golden violet
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Ryuyan it’s been fine for 3 years, there’s no need for you to make it like the game would die without this, that’s just not the case.

reef silo
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VRChat+ while game is still in Early Access.....

formal dove
vocal shard
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it’s expected in all free games 🤷🏽‍♀️

mental lily
robust solstice
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early access is just a title, it's not ever going away

formal dove
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The subscription isn't forced, so stop complaining xD

scenic cosmos
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I know it's not forced, but I'm afraid they'll keep content behind a paywall. That's my point

golden violet
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I don’t understand what you’re saying. They’ve been able to sustain it fine, otherwise the game would not be available

gilded bronze
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How much is Plus?

mental lily
vocal shard
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pay to rank up in trust

ah, pay to get crashers to shader crash you even faster

formal dove
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If you don't like or want to subscribe, don't, you still get your free stuff, that isn't changing

robust solstice
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well you have the same worries people had about discord nitro.

vocal shard
untold lark
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its worse than discord nitro AND I HAVE THAT

scenic cosmos
golden violet
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I don’t need to Ryuyan, the only evidence I need is that the game is available still after 6+ years.

robust solstice
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exactly, which is good

vocal shard
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some ppl might have to drop certain subscriptions to pay for it

reef silo
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right.....forgot that those guys will target those pay users faster

hasty nacelle
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Dude the problem isn't what can you get now, it's what it could be. Like "worlds locked, avatars locked, ranks locked"

mental lily
gilded bronze
compact kernel
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yeah target the pay users XD

robust solstice
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you don't want good content behind a pay wall.

unreal verge
vocal shard
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thats how much nitro is, isn’t it?

gilded bronze
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5$ nitro

golden violet
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Oh there it is, the personal attack. I’m done here

reef silo
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that game still exist?

mental lily
unreal verge
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Ye, only left early access this year lol @reef silo

scenic cosmos
vocal shard
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nitro $5??!? fuck someone give me $5 🥺

robust solstice
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if calling you disconnected from reality is a personal attack ya gotta lighten up

reef silo
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nitro for 5 smells better for me

mental lily
hasty nacelle
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As long as this dosent change the game that much, if at all I'm good with itm

formal dove
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The only thing changing is more development, give it a chance, wait for it to release.

gilded bronze
golden violet
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It is because I’m not even against VRC+. I just don’t understand his furious defense of the necessity of it when all data and evidence shows that it’s not as necessary as he screams it is.

vocal shard
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loving those "Please Upgrade to VRChat+ to see this Avatar" meme avatars

thorny plume
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For hundred sub you get a guilded canny post and a backrub from tupper in a private instance

unreal verge
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I'm worried about the elitism that will definitely build up

robust juniper
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I'm just hoping it doesn't create a bunch of users with more money than sense running around talking about how everyone's "broke" for not subscribing to a service that's entirely optional

vocal shard
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well, that already happened with trust

mental lily
# scenic cosmos You didn't read the whole message, read again.

You mentioned allowing people to host their own servers, but that's not possible. The game relies on accounts and databases, these can't be hosted on user's machines, and in order to make it so that you don't have to upload avatars to their servers and host all of the content from your machine, it would require completely changing how the game would work, and would require everyone to have lots of upload speed, it's just not feasible.

formal dove
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I'm sure there will be a toggle, but I don't want to see elitism, I mean there is already with trusted status with new users

unreal verge
gilded bronze
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100 avatar limit emoji

devout berry
scenic cosmos
formal dove
deft girder
robust juniper
# scenic cosmos Neos VR

Neos is more of a game engine than a social thing IMO
And don't they charge for storage space in Neos anyway?

scenic cosmos
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It's a different model

robust solstice
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baseless worries guil really, you just sound like a worrywart lol

thorny plume
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Create the instance in the region you want, e.g. for European parties in europe

reef silo
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i'll be sticking with putting up " User " on my nameplate to avoid certain ones in public o.o

scenic cosmos
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And my point here is that they offer user hosted instances when here they are saying it's not possible.

mental lily
vocal shard
thorny plume
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Doesn't stop people from joining

formal dove
vocal shard
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i would have gladly just like.. donated.. instead of have max avatars behind a paywall

scenic cosmos
white cairn
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yo so to solve the price question, make it $6.99 and make the one-year $69.69

vocal shard
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isn’t that what region lock is?

thorny plume
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Just means US people get more latency, much like how ever other non US person plays currently

robust juniper
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I'd like to know how much of a boost you get in trust levels. Tupper told me yesterday that it's insignificant, but if it's insignificant why would they include it?

scenic cosmos
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It's like they won't accept that people has different points of view and just propose different solutions.

compact kernel
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in before hackers wreck paying users

mental lily
# scenic cosmos Neos VR

Neos VR has 100 daily users. All time peak of less than 200 users. Once they get to 10,000 per day, let's see how it handles.

unreal verge
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I've 200 ping constantly in VRChat

robust solstice
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I think it actually might be necessary. as things get bigger, it's harder to keep using the model they were using before and covid saw a massive increase in users.

scenic cosmos
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They keep saying that a different solution is not possible when they are already around. It's so funny

formal dove
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My thing is, that people say go to Neos VR or other, and all I see is that influx is gonna drive thier cost up and then a sub model will follow to pay the costs

vocal shard
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crashers will just buy trust and crash you even faster than before cause of filter settings
excited for that like

mental lily
thorny plume
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US hosted instance, 200 ping for Europe, 20 ping for US; EU hosted instance 20 ping for Europe, 200 ping for US; creating the endpoint where the users in the world mostly reside

formal dove
reef silo
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im in more favor that say profile icon for normal users be restricted to 1 icon while VRC+ be given more slots to work with....keeping them from being targeted by crashers

robust juniper
robust solstice
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crashers is a safety setting problem. you can already upload like 3 worlds, 2 avatars and have trusted within like a week

scenic cosmos
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I never said "Hey, don't take money from people". Just look for a different approach, here people who is free to play is not getting that extra content.

unreal verge
reef silo
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mmm

compact kernel
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one time pay request without paywall wouldve been smarter.

scenic cosmos
formal dove
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I don't even use public worlds tbh

robust solstice
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meh, subscrtion is a bigger revenue source

unreal verge
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Set particle limit to 30k and boom particle crashers don't work on you anymore

thorny plume
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There's a particle limit system in the game

hybrid basin
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mygod i am shocked this is still going

robust juniper
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I feel like a subscription that gives you no benefits whatsoever would've gone over better than this

vocal shard
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aye there's the issue of like, i'll not get on for a few months, then i'll be super into VRC for a few months, i'd much rather make a one time payment and just not have to worry about it instead of go in any pay every time and hope i'll keep playing in the coming weeks to make it worth it

robust solstice
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oh don't worry matt, this will be the conversation for at least the next month and a half.

robust juniper
mental lily
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I just think it's absolute insanity that people could think that running a service like this can be accomplished for free indefinitely, and people point to other projects that have a tiny userbase, as if they can't understand that costs increase with scale. I understand that they can accept donations, but if you really like a platform, you should want them to take the path that is most likely to lead to their success.

What do you want more? More free stuff? Or for VRChat to be successful? Be honest. If you think donations is the path that would lead to more success, then I at least see the merit in your argument but I respectfully disagree

hybrid basin
unreal verge
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I've yet to see a particle crasher that successfully crashes me since I've that.

reef silo
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once this rolls in.....this will give hackers a good reason to start hacking account ever more for users with 1yr plans

thorny plume
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We want the ability to hold a gathering of players without being at 15fps

vocal shard
robust solstice
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that's barely a problem now, let alone later.

golden scaffold
hasty nacelle
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I'm worried about the elitism that will definitely build up
@unreal verge
Same

robust solstice
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ehhh

unreal verge
thorny plume
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It's not avatars

robust solstice
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yeah people talk about low fps but they go into a world where they gotta load like 3 GB's of avatars that all have effects lol.

unreal verge
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I only show friends, everyone else grey robot

mental lily
reef silo
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and how many of those are actually using 2FA?

unreal verge
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Me

robust solstice
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that's a personal problem for those people though. if they don't want to be secure, that's their choice lol

reef silo
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the not so on top of things to protect users

robust juniper
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I'd like to point out that steam has a launch command which makes VRChat use multithreading, it helps a lot

unreal verge
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Using 2FA everywhere

vocal shard
reef silo
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please

thorny plume
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Try a full instance with grey robots and see how bad it is, from what I understand it's the main game thread waiting for IK before rendering the frame

golden scaffold
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Correct, we can't really help it if your password is your name backwards, but we're totally trying to give you options to help make your account more secure. Please use them!

robust juniper
# vocal shard Do tell

I can't remember the exact command but it should come up of you Google "vrchat multithreading launch option"

vocal shard
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@golden scaffold How involved are you with what's on the open beta right now? I'm kinda worried about the name change going through for those of us that had old names with special characters in them, those are now displayed as [] but idk if it's intended or if it's a bug that can be fixed.

The name still shows up like normal in the social lists, but the nameplate shows [] where the symbols would be

reef silo
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where unity keeps on requesting that 2FA each project load in

robust juniper
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Personally I just make burner accounts that I don't care about losing, unless it's important

unreal verge
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Multithreading: --force-d3d11-no-singlethreaded

robust solstice
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So let's have some fun and throw around predictions. Like it or not, hopefully, this change will net vrchat more money. What do you think that they're gonna do with it?

I hope they have a good ole performance increase across the board.

thorny plume
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I'll try that tonight

golden scaffold
reef silo
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gonna give that a spin tonight

vocal shard
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@golden scaffold I have a name that is pretty old, the letters just became invisible, there were these two stars I had in them, and even ingame it's completely invisible, but now the new name plates on the beta show the old symbols as visible squares, and it has ruined my name ;_;

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Would sending a message to vrc support be the ideal thing to do to have a dialogue with someone about this? Idk, I really don't want these squares in my name but I'd very much like to keep it the way it has been for all this time

robust solstice
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Well you can change your name to include no symbols or different symbols

vocal shard
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Can't. The name YoRHa is taken by some gray user that probably just played the game for a few hours back in the day.

reef silo
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should redo how names are done.....like how Discord works.....thus allowing users to have custom name on the nameplate (course with the current change on name....no dot hype or halfmoons ) while they are given a ID###### infi.

vocal shard
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Hence why I ended up using the symbols, which was something you could do in vrc for some time but they disabled it a few months ago, but those of us that had invis characters just got to keep our names the way they were

robust solstice
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ah yeah, that does remind me if they'll eventually do a name reset/wipe on people that haven't played in a year

unreal verge
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Luckily i claimed my name already everywhere possible and it never was taken

vocal shard
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My only problem is that the nameplates now show those invis characters as [] instead of just a completely empty space.

brisk shadow
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Poggers it’s nice they have a new support system with all the things they were banning people for, except now it costs $10 a month.

vocal shard
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And I'm stressing out because the name is super important in a game like this, but I don't want the squares to be displayed ;_;

reef silo
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if mine gets updated .... i prob wont mind since the symbols starts in the beginning and one at the end...

robust solstice
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there doesn't seem to be a fix yorha, you'll have to modify the name some how. Maybe add the word "the"

vocal shard
#

Yeah I had mine like ⭐ YoRHa ⭐ but the stars were invisible characters so nobody could see them except for on the website, which wasn't a big deal to me.

But now it has become [] YoRHa [] on the name plate, but social still displays it as YoRHa

reef silo
#

that would bother me alot

vocal shard
#

I just hope it's a bug considering the social menu still displays my name the way I want it to be displayed ;_;

reef silo
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hope you get the name "YoRHa" though another is there allready

vocal shard
#

I'm just hoping it's a bug with the new name plates

civic pumice
#

Is there currently a Roadmap for VRChat?

rigid lagoon
#

Honestly just waiting for VRChat Coins where you gotta top up to be able to enter worlds

reef silo
#

that be the end of vrchat

lean nexus
#

that does not sound good

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that does not sound like good vides

vast lintel
#

Greed.. greed never changes.

worthy oracle
vocal shard
#

I don't get why they changed the already existing names, considering they broke the ability to make symbol names quite a while ago

worthy oracle
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That’s the thing

fair axle
# civic pumice Is there currently a Roadmap for VRChat?

Road maps don't really work for games. It's just a lot of empty promises. The only thing that did work was when no man's sky completely shut off contact with everyone and just worked on their game the way that they wanted to. And look how that turned out.

civic pumice
#

understandable

worthy oracle
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You can’t do it anymore. So the current names are going to be affected in some way, it kind of makes sense. I don’t like it much either but I don’t mind as my name is still clean and simple

vocal shard
#

Ngl, I am super bothered about this, like to the point where I don't even want to play the game, the names I've had for so long are now busted which really gets to me ;_;

worthy oracle
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literally just do Yorha. <—

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periods work, commas, exclamation marks, -, _ ~ etc

worthy oracle
urban kayak
#

the names are changed to how they are on any fucking other website or account etc so its nothing new

vocal shard
#

It is though, because it has worked ingame for years.

urban kayak
#

early acces, things change over time

vocal shard
#

And there was never any issue with it even after they broke the ability to add symbols to your names, frankly, unique names shouldn't even be a thing, every social platform should be using the BattleNet / Discord approach

worthy oracle
#

It’s patched now. You can’t make new names with invis characters so it makes sense. The client always registered the characters it’s just that it never displayed them on the nameplates until now

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I’m pretty sure you can find an alternative that involves adding just one character to your name Yorha lol

vocal shard
#

I just find it weird how it is still (in the beta) displaying the name as normal in the social lists but on the nameplate itself it says [] YoRHa []
Some of us had these names for quite a while so it just sucks having to change it, at the very least they could've offered us the old inactive names bundled with this change imo

split sage
#

Personally I’m not a fan of vrc+

vocal shard
#

Or just used the battlenet / discord approach to begin with

vast tulip
#

If it alows it, I'm personally a fan of - before and after. -YoRHa-

urban kayak
#

the old menues run under old settings. same thing with windows where you still find elements from windows 3, after time it will change to be completly gone in all ui elements

worthy oracle
#

you can do Yorha. Yorha, Yorha-, -Yorha-, .Yohra. ,Yohra, Yohra theres a lot lol

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Yohra! Yohra~

vocal shard
#

I get why they stopped symbols from being added to names, I understand there were bad actors who were impersonating people using invis characters but I just figured those of us that already had those names would keep them as they were ;_;

urban kayak
#

why keep old things around if they would interfere with newer things

worthy oracle
#

It wouldn’t be possible if the symbols were patched to begin with. I expected this eventually, it’s not that serious but I understand

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just change ur name on the website

vocal shard
#

Yeah it's just when you get attached to a certain name it kinda sucks losing it out of the blue, idk, I'll wait and see if they change their minds about this as I'm seeing a lot of people upvoting the post someone made on the canny, if they don't then I just gotta deal with it when the new patch arrives, however far away that might be.

viscid seal
#

i assume they'll fix that

urban kayak
#

yea, but there are also good technical reasons for it, data base optimization because there are not thousands of different characters to scan through, less code needed for displaying said names so it makes the game slightly slimmer and more optimized, less potential for crashes etc from unconventional characters

worthy oracle
#

^

vocal shard
#

I hope so Lakuza ;_; But I don't expect so.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst as they say.

worthy oracle
#

It’s fine

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I lost my 3 letter name but it’s really just the same, just added a ! To the end. It’s not that bad

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plus with invis characters you do not show up on social when someone tries to search you up. which is quite inconvenient

unreal verge
#

Luckily my name is unique in itself

timid cairn
#

Wow the server finally isn't on fire (or at least as bad as last night)

vocal shard
#

its because many people who complained are americans, and they are asleep xD

scarlet dawn
#

broooos i just got an oculus quest 2 and its amazing

misty turret
#

Really Mr Tactical? its 9:53 AM here in America.

scarlet dawn
#

vrchat is so much better on it

hard pond
#

I just woke up ^

flat briar
#

@scarlet dawn congratulations

vocal shard
#

well americans are just waking up is what I meant to say xD

scarlet dawn
#

oh damn its almost 3 pm here in london, why is the chat on slow mode, its so annoying

hard pond
#

Jigen did you have a quest 1?

misty turret
#

Well we do complain alot, but so does everyone who is human lol.

real loom
unreal verge
hard pond
#

Oh it's in slow mode because people were spamming the heck out of chat.

scarlet dawn
flat briar
#

They might have put it on slow due to all of the toxicity in general

viscid seal
vocal shard
#

@real loom Yeah, I upvoted it! Hopefully they'll change their mind about it, though I don't expect them to.

Also I wish I was here when the announcement went off to see how it went

unreal verge
#

I've a Quest 1, but i play via Virtual Desktop.

hard pond
#

It was an absolute shitshow

scarlet dawn
#

i installed side quest and can do that but my wifi makes it lag like hell so i cant rly do that atm

real loom
unreal verge
#

For me it works flawless

vocal shard
#

;_;

scarlet dawn
#

lucky, i mean i am using a laptop and have unstable wifi rip

real loom
#

IMO the solution is to prune dead accounts and namesquatters but we'll see if that can happen before this goes live

unreal verge
#

Oh ok, that might be a problem definitely

scarlet dawn
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lol

flat briar
#

Jigen , what kind of Wi-Fi router do you have?

vocal shard
#

Well, I upvoted the post and I'll just hope for the best.
I would've wanted them to clear up inactive names like WoW does or just introduce a new system similar to what Discord and Battlenet use, wouldn't have made this sting so bad

scarlet dawn
#

argh i cant be bothered to wait 30 seconds, imma go

real loom
#

I feel you- I've been seriously stressing about this as well.

flat briar
#

Freaking autocorrect changed jigen to hugeness

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I rather the timer than to have all of the toxicity like in general chat

vocal shard
#

Yeah I am super stressed out about it because I have two accounts this happened to, one of them being my OG account. So as soon as I got ingame and saw the change it got me down.
Didn't expect to be that attached to a damn name, lmao

sharp robin
#

hows you get plus vrchat

flat briar
#

It isn’t released yet

scarlet dawn
#

bro its saying im spamming ;/

flat briar
#

If you put a bunch of periods or letters in a message it can sometimes trigger the spam bot

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Like right after each other

real loom
#

Names are powerful, I don't blame you!

there's a lot of weight that the way a name is presented can carry, it's just not the same asking someone to put numbers or symbols in, and when there's one (inactive) source blocking you from having that- it's just a bad time.

scarlet dawn
#

okay thanks. i was just saying i dont know what wifi i have as my dad deals with it but i know it sucks ass.

hard pond
#

Jigen can your computer make a hotspot?

vocal shard
#

It's like, there are so many people that have throughout the last 3 years made these types of names that'll now be in the same situation, so I figured it would at least make sense to clear up old usernames or introduce a new system if they were going to force this change.

scarlet dawn
#

yes but the area I'm in has bad signal so i guess i could use my 4G

unreal verge
#

I can't use Oculus Link. I don't have a compatible Port in my PC for that.

scarlet dawn
#

ahh my laptop has a type c usb so it works fine

hard pond
#

Just have your computer make a 5g hotspot. It'll work just fine. I do it and get around 20ms of latency Wich is not noticable at all

flat briar
#

So, as I understand it, the WiFi router you need in order to have high quality stream from your computer is wifi6. Any router that has an “ax” in the name of it will be wifi6

scarlet dawn
#

how can i do that? i have an iphone 11, i dont think it gets 5g. i was looking at wifi6

hard pond
#

Not your phone

flat briar
#

How do you get your internet?

unreal verge
#

I think i only have USB 2.0 ports which isn't good for oculus link.

hard pond
#

Your laptop-

shadow copper
#

Oh boy

scarlet dawn
#

through wifi? it has wifi and moblie hotspot. i didnt know you could create a hotspot from ur laptop. im pretty new to this stuff sorryyy

flat briar
#

I mean, do you have cable internet or fiber internet or broadband. Or do you use your phone as a hotspot for internet?

scarlet dawn
#

oh yess sorry, i could use an ethernet cable but i dont have the socket atm, when i move into my house i can plug it into my laptop

flat briar
#

Not exactly what I was meaning

scarlet dawn
#

i just use the shitty wifi i have and connect it. im a little confused

flat briar
#

If it is alright with you, could we do a voice chat. I want to help you but it is harder to explain things over text

unreal verge
#

It doesn't really matter which connection he has outside of his home. He only needs a stable local network. 5ghz needed.

flat briar
#

He might not understand those subtleties

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Which is understandable

vocal shard
#

i got a question

flat briar
#

You would be surprised how many people are mistaken about how it all works

scarlet dawn
#

i dont mind a voice chat, if it helps and i learn stuff then ill be happy! i'm a she btw

flat briar
#

They know enough to get it to work, usually, but not enough to troubleshoot or what not

#

@scarlet dawn private voice or server voice channel?

scarlet dawn
#

so what am i actually doing, i mean im connected to wifi

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server voice channel

flat briar
#

ok, wait a sec while I get ready

scarlet dawn
#

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

plain grotto
#

🍋

flat briar
#

I am ready, and I just realized there is no voice channel in this server....

#

So, private voice, perhaps?

scarlet dawn
#

yeah same lmao gimme a sec

lethal canopy
#

How about the VRC+ subscribers get to have access to a server only available for them . . . ?

vocal shard
flat briar
#

That would cause a lot of outcry over "paywall" that might actually be founded

lethal canopy
#

well yea, but have you ever been in a public lobby?

hard pond
#

Listen I'm just happy about 25 avatar slots :D

vocal shard
#

im in them all the time

flat briar
#

Yes, which is why I usually go to invite or friends only

ruby tiger
#

Sounds boring

vocal shard
#

What you mean is public vrc+ lobbies. No point in private ones considering you know, they wouldn't be different in any way

flat briar
#

I do occasionally check out the publics to see if I can find somebody new that could be fun to hang out with in addition to the people I already hang out with

vocal shard
#

I've always loved public worlds, but then again, I like the chaos

lethal canopy
#

tru

hard pond
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I go to public's all the time and while I run into annoyances from time to time it's usually pretty chill, i only tend too have problems with people on there high horse trying to crash quest users ;-;

lethal canopy
#

I mean, as long as I pay for the damn thing I want my perks T^T

elder cloud
#

VRchat+, huh.

ivory hollow
#

🍋

elder cloud
#

not as intrusive as RR+ lmao. 25 slots for free is ace, thanks for that VRchat devs

summer raptor
#

imagine making it $10 a month
$10 a year is reasonable with how shittily optimized their game is

vocal shard
#

Don't worry, you'll come asking for more eventually

indigo seal
#

i want to fav all the avatars

ruby tiger
#

Literally asking to get banned

inland knot
#

there they go

indigo seal
elder cloud
#

still not worse than RR tho

seriously the perf on that is trash no matter your setup

inland knot
vocal shard
#

People are disappearing, monkas

summer raptor
#

dude who the fuck deleted my message

indigo seal
#

guess

grave obsidian
#

I have no idea what the fuck is going on : )

ruby tiger
#

Consider checking out rules again

flint swift
#

Tfw people blame the devs for optimization lol

calm solstice
#

im back boys

indigo seal
#

its like saying tf2 runs shit on my pc

ruby tiger
#

And everywhere you go (in publics) you see vrcPerfVeryPoor most of the time

elder cloud
#

nah it's totally not the person with the like 20-50k poly anime avatar

vocal shard
#

vrcPerfVeryPoor gang

summer raptor
#

I’m sorry, is there a rule against me saying I want to buy a menu for voice communication tweaking?

i didn’t fucking think so

glossy wharf
indigo seal
flint swift
#

Nothing wrong with the game optimization its the avatars, jump back to 2017 when models werent ridiculous, easily get 90fps on a 960 in a full lobby

quick finch
#

Users are literally the content in VRChat, optimization is in the hands of the community, luckily each user has a lot of tools now for hiding things that might cause optimization issues

plain grotto
summer raptor
#

boo hoo, then ban all the 13 year old Russian hackers ive encountered today you goon

calm solstice
#

bruh lol the delted my message over it being a meme

flint swift
#

Its not the devs fault your fps is low its the people around you lol

plain grotto
umbral reef
#

@glossy wharf You gonna change pfp daily now or?

glossy wharf
#

Yo oclac did you know that vrchat is a flawless piece of unity magic

calm solstice
vocal shard
#

It would be nice with a button that lets you turn off each individual's dynamic bones. Cuz if I can turn off all the godfall avatars' dynamic bones, then that's an easy 10-15 frames bonus right there

inland knot
#

yo oclac have you heard of aetherversevr

scarlet spruce
#

So with vrchat monetizing and making money that means they're gonna have to hire a curator and start deleting worlds and avatars that aren't original IP? Like I don't see how vrchat can get away with making money on their game with other people using copyright content. The game will get sued without curation.

indigo seal
#

just turn off avatars for anyone below green rank

glossy wharf
hard pond
#

I see recroom plus being brought up what's so bad about it?

vocal shard
#

Yeah but that limits all the models @glossy wharf not just one person

umbral reef
plain grotto
#

Whys everyone so sensitive in vrchat

indigo seal
#

beats me

summer raptor
#

cause their fucking snowflakes

quick finch
#

Yea more options sounds really good to me too, it would just be hard not to paralize users with options. It is already pretty tricky to explain to a new user why they cant see X avatar and how to change settings

umbral reef
glossy wharf
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Cause the ui is p flawed

vocal shard
#

They should put some effort into adding a better tutorial that you have to play through at first

quick finch
#

yea that cant hurt

indigo seal
#

tutorial? in vrc?

glossy wharf
#

There was a tutorial back in 2018, the world still exists, it just isnt your home world anymore

umbral reef
#

Wait do new accounts not get send there anymore?

vocal shard
#

Yeah, teach people how to use the menus, etc

glossy wharf
#

No you get put into vrc home, no tutorial,
can we go to random chat fuck this 30 second bullshit

scarlet spruce
#

@umbral reef not true at all, youtube or Facebook can't host movies or music without licensing agreements

vocal shard
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@glossy wharf there is a tutorial

indigo seal
#

i mean you learn the hard way so, natural selection poggers

glossy wharf
#

Literally what i just said inu, if you would read context.

inland knot
#

sai this 30s is gonna stay for a week now because froge

quick finch
#

When I talk new users into playing VRChat, I am guilty of just telling them to skip the tutorial because I want them to accept my friend request so I can come say hi and welcome them :/

summer raptor
#

froge?
the fuck is a froge?
is that a bread?

indigo seal
vocal shard
#

whos actually gonna but the vrc+ thing btw

quick finch
#

<-

plain grotto
#

🍋

umbral reef
# scarlet spruce <@88932627783897088> not true at all, youtube or Facebook can't host movies or m...

🙃 If a user uploads content on youtube, all youtube has to do is remove it after they get told about it.
That both companies have automated this system with an AI/robot is there own thing.
If they want to sell that content to others legally you do need a license. But that only applies when youtube themself provides the content. Not when its user generated.
Else no website on the internet would survive, save haven laws apply also to VRC

vocal shard
#

I probably will if they change the name thingy that is bothering me

glossy wharf
#

Yeah not gonna happen unless its either getting adjusted to 4.99 or they stop monetizing things users made which they then banned just to bring it as their own feature behind a paywall

umbral reef
bold spade
#

does anyone know if theres vrchat+ for oculus?

inland knot
#

furries triggered because they want the custom picture but can't scrap 10$ together

plain grotto
#

@near trench 🍋

glossy wharf
#

Me when cant put fursona next to new rainbow nameplate 😠

indigo seal
#

yeah let me pay 0.01$ and have those features! why shouldnt i be allowed to do that, its mah right! /s

vocal shard
#

I do think they should've kept it at 5 bucks though considering they've not fully fleshed out the system yet, and then later launch a 10 dollar tier with more functions.
Just like Discord nitro has

glossy wharf
indigo seal
#

also i would agree on the 5$ rather than 10$, i dont pay for full nitro, only what i need and that is 5$

quick finch
#

Its really really hard to up a price or subtract a feature, communities pitch really big fits when you do that.. it is safer to start at your intended price and add features

bold spade
#

@glossy wharf how do u do that replied to thing?

elder junco
#

buying trust with money ? is that really going to happen ? 🍉

worthy oracle
#

maybe 5$ for what they offer now and 10$ for some of the future features. but I don’t like VRC+ locking things behind a paywall and meh overall this is the last thing we need in the game.

raw idol
#

Jesus if it's something you don't agree with, just leave the community and let it die off. You don't need to annoy the hell out of everybody and kill my notifications with some kind of protest that won't help

vocal shard
#

@raw idol ????
What Sai said, literally nobody pinged u, lol

glossy wharf
#

What are you even saying, no ones pinging you

worthy oracle
#

I still love VRChat but I don’t like the direction it takes sometimes and the most important issues aren’t addressed often

bold spade
glossy wharf
#

cease

languid beacon
#

Be me, who never uses favorite avatars, and will buy VRC+ and not even add a icon to my name.

strange carbon
#

yeah same

worthy oracle
languid beacon
strange carbon
#

I've wanted a way of supporting them for quite some time and I think this is a good way of doing it. I agree some stuff could have been implemented better

timid trench
raw idol
#

Still I'm not wrong, your protesting isn't going to change anything, it's just wasting what little time you actually have. Just leave the community and let it die off. It's the only move.

worthy oracle
#

I mean hopefully the implementation can be improved. And they focus on the more important things
And @languid beacon true I suppose

west holly
#

They are literally adding the most basic of features that can already be achieved through 3rd party software .

alpine marlin
#

Elo

brisk bone
#

🙂

vocal shard
#

Kris seems to be a Karen everyone, better just let them talk to a wall, lolol.

worthy oracle
#

I’ll be honest some of the modding community has done more fixing for this game than VRC have done in the past year or more

west holly
#

Agreed !!!

glossy wharf
#

"If you have negative feedback and you discuss it in a channel made for general conversation related to the game, just leave the community and let the game die off"

languid beacon
#

Honestly I think the perks are about as tame as I could think of, they don’t paywall anyone out, and that’s what I was most worried about happening.

strange carbon
#

I hope that there's some way of vrc+ users to have better communication with the Devs so that we can actually feel like we're being heard

elder cloud
#

Yeah not pay walling is epic.

languid beacon
#

I think this is just the case of people freaking out over any big change. This is going to be less of a big deal than trust ranks. Quote me on it.

vocal shard
#

Could've at least partnered with Genshin to give us some juicy Primogems, smh

wispy solstice
#

Help, how to make own avatar on vrchat?

quick finch
#

There is a ton of communication between the community and the devs, but it is a HUGE community. folks tend to incorrectly assume their little part of the community represents the desires of the full community a lot more than it does.

elder cloud
#

It's going to be like a more ethical rec room+. It's a nice way to support the game but it's nothing out of the ordinary.

strange carbon
#

I don't see why people are upset though, you're not losing anything

vestal pier
scarlet spruce
#

If beatsaber won't allow custom songs despite them being mapped by someone else they must be doing it for a reason which is to avoid lawsuits by copyright. If vrchat monetizes they won't be able to profit off of all those ripped game assets despite them being uploaded by the community so vrchat is going to have to curate and start taking all of those other IP content world's down to avoid lawsuits. I can't see monetization going well for the community.

languid beacon
brisk bone
#

I don't know most people who are upset come in with the "I use a Third Party Client and this is features of it" even though it's against the Terms of Service.

languid beacon
vestal pier
vocal shard
#

I'm just upset at the [] name stuff, vrc+ does not bother me in the slightest though and it shouldn't bother anyone else either. I don't understand the uproar about it.

strange carbon
peak ermine
#

Nice buns

wispy solstice
unreal verge
#

@scarlet spruce Beat Saber has official custom song support on PC

strange carbon
#

really?

scarlet spruce
#

So how are you going to have a game that is monetizing off of people ripping entire worlds from other games and uploading them into the world without a licensing agreement

unreal verge
#

I saw it several times mentioned

vocal shard
#

As for modders vs devs, I think the game industry has shown that modders can do better than devs most of the time tbh.

gray tapir
#

Nice

brisk bone
#

The way the law works is that DMCA is applicable to the individual infringing on the copyright holders copyright. As long as VRChat Inc. stays within Safe Harbor laws by taking it down when they get sent a DMCA Request. It should be fine. The monetization is a subscription service with in-game perks that are not tied to the copyright infringing content found within the game.

vestal pier
#

Fez beat me to it

quick finch
#

Its not a fiar fight :P devs are outnumbered and out time budgetted

vocal shard
#

Garry's mod, which is a game far bigger than VRC, has always been a buy to play game and they're still going, they got way more copyrighted content than VRChat, so I wouldn't worry

alpine marlin
#

ye

vestal pier
elfin delta
#

gmod also got better as it went pay2play LOL

vocal shard
#

Just as there's an uproar about a subscription model in this game, same thing really. I expected people to get mad, but the ones that are mad are usually the ones up to no good or the ones that have no money to spend.

vestal pier
#

Totally. Yea

strange carbon
#

I'd be fine with paying 20 dollars for vrc but I think I'd hurt the community a lot, that's why I like this subscription

scarlet spruce
#

Well I guess it's just a wait and see what happens. Copyright lawsuits and dmca is a way to lose a business or kill a community even if vrchat is in the right side of the law

vast tulip
#

What? That's not how dmca works

vocal shard
#

Realistically, this changes next to nothing tbh, I am worried about what they mentioned with the future plans for monetization though, I certainly wouldn't want ads in my loading screen, but letting creators make money off of vrc would be sick.
I mean, there's already idiots selling TDA assets that make 5k a month from patreon, so there's certainly a huge market there

alpine marlin
quick finch
#

Yea I think the "There will be new copyright issues" thing is an offhand guess by someone that is getting more traction than it deserves

unreal verge
#

I would block ads anyways. Just block them on network level.

lilac tinsel
#

If the put ads in I’m just not gonna play anymore

vocal shard
#

ok vrchat i bring news because someone has made a vrc ripoff

vast tulip
strange carbon
#

I think I'd be okay with ads as long as they're not in my face. Like if there's posters around a world that blend in with the world itself that would be fine

timid trench
#

Ooh putting up ads as posters would be awesome

brisk bone
#

We're also assuming that VRChat Inc. has not gone to legal counsel before implementing this which is a really stupid thing to assume.

pseudo basalt
#

pls no ad posters

timid trench
#

Aw no ad posters?

pseudo basalt
#

Doesn't matter if they blend in or not

umbral reef
#

Adds anywhere but inside worlds natively would be whack
Even though i hate adds making it feel natural and splitting the 0,0001 cents you can get per vieuw would be neato.

scarlet spruce
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I'm not making that assumption, I'm making the assumption they they think it's fine and they will just start slowly and quietly removing content for dmca

pseudo basalt
#

Leave real life brands out of this, there's enough ads irl

unreal verge
#

I've a strict anti-ad policy :/
I'm blocking them everywhere I'm able to. For YouTube for example i use modded clients on every device which are programmed to not be able to even load them.

vocal shard
#

I know Rootgentle (creator of the OG Japan Shrine) wanted to somehow monetize his world but the team did not let him at the time, so he took down his world, which was one of the most popular worlds at the time.
That and cuz someone made a manga set in his world.

I wonder if that's the kind of monetization they want to support or if it's just a strictly regulated marketplace kind of thing.

timid trench
#

Dang

umbral reef
vast tulip
pseudo basalt
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If you want to advertise stuff, advertise vrc worlds and stuff like that

timid trench
#

Breaking news: you have to pay for each and every favorited avatar you have

quick finch
#

I really enjoy in-world ads for other in-world content

timid trench
#

That would stink

unreal verge
timid trench
#

Ooh the in world ads would be cool tho

vast tulip
#

They have always followed through with any legit dmca demands. They will keep doing it as well

strange carbon
pseudo basalt
#

You can already do that just fine in your worlds

umbral reef
#

They do?
But it wasnt always like that right?
Or im mixing things up now

pseudo basalt
#

But I don't want to see coca cola ads in vrchat

vocal shard
#

True, I'd rather see Pepsi ads

strange carbon
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yeah I get that

vocal shard
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But take Rebuff Reality, they've already advertised their straps and other vr dongles in worlds before.

unreal verge
timid trench
#

I would instead like to see ads for vr equipment, under appreciated worlds, and new avatar model creators

vocal shard
#

The Void club literally had a big ad for Rebuff Reality if I recall correctly, and they did an event in the world as well

umbral reef
#

Hm guess im a bit out of date with tech like that sadly or im mixing up things

timid trench
#

But then that might put out “celebrities” within the Vrchat community

strange carbon
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I never go in there so I wouldn't know

pseudo basalt
#

Nothing is stopping you from doing that but once big brands start doing it, it's just offtopic clutter

timid trench
#

True

lilac tinsel
#

The whole payment thing put a sour taste in my mouth.

pseudo basalt
#

Don't worry, i'm sure facebook will do exactly that in their social vr game

strange carbon
#

so there's like a sweet spot in the middle where ads are relevant to the game

pseudo basalt
#

Then say something along the lines of it being done for immersion because that's how it works irl

vocal shard
#

If they're displayed in worlds, I don't mind them, if they're displayed on the UI or in the loading screen, that I would be against.

pseudo basalt
#

Then maybe even ads directly in your headset because it's facebook

lilac tinsel
vocal shard
#

So if they're like the booth ads that we see in Japanese maps, I don't mind that at all

unreal verge
#

If i would be able to block ads on VRChat if that ever happens (likely won't) then it depends on how they set up the delivery if i'm able to block them without modifying the client itself, so blocking on network level only.

lilac tinsel
pseudo basalt
#

Because those are relevant to our community

strange carbon
#

yeah nah I don't want to see a giant ad in my eyes

pseudo basalt
#

mcdonalds and coca cola ads are not
and those are hecking everywhere

vast tulip
strange carbon
#

but an ad for an in game event would be amazing

lilac tinsel
#

If the pug for example had posters like someone else in here said, and they looked like they belonged, I would say that’s fine. But yeah like lil bunz said if I have to sit through an ad while loading it wouldn’t be worth it

unreal verge
#

Didn't saw ads for a whole week

gray tapir
#

ads

strange carbon
unreal verge
#

In whole internet

lilac tinsel
#

Some of my friends have bad connection as it is, having to wait through an ad THEN load would be fuckery

strange carbon
#

same I don't see ads too often

vocal shard
#

But then again, I highly doubt they would be dumb enough to add ads into the UI and loading screens, etc. I think they could come up with better ideas to monetize their game than that

quick finch
#

I dont feel like it is worth my worry on ads until I see any evidence at all that ads are being considered for the platform (so far seems like no)

unreal verge
#

I only see ads on the very few places where i can't block them like Spotify. Can't use a modified client there as they'll ban me not like YT which does nothing.

pseudo basalt
#

Youtube shows me a white skip ad screen

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But only once in a while

unreal verge
#

It's your adblocker not correct blocking the ad player

pseudo basalt
#

they've updated something again

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i tried looking into it but it didn't work, but it doesn't bother me enough to look into it any more for now

unreal verge
#

I only get that once after starting the browser

vocal shard
#

What's the soundtrack they use in the vrchat plus video though? It sounds so nice, lol.

topaz relic
#

idk but it really doesnt seem all that worth

strange carbon
#

I brought this up yesterday but I think I'd be cool if they added something like nitro to vrc+ where you can pay to advertise your favourite world and have it show up in your world's menu ranked on how many people boosted it. Or if they can get past the legal problems something like twitch subbing for content creators would be cool

topaz relic
#

^Thatd be a great idea

vocal shard
#

Hard to do stuff for Twitch when vrchat creators constantly prove that they don't belong on the platform by doing sexual shit.

hollow ingot
#

Will this encourage more actual bug fixes.... even in the slightest?

languid beacon
strange carbon
#

I'd just like more stuff for people who decide to support the game without taking away from free players

unreal verge
#

Nah, worlds should be sorted by popularity itself. Maybe make another category like called "user promoted worlds"

strange carbon
#

yes that's what I was thinking

quick finch
#

bug fixes will be encouraged by any monetization effort, as you have to pay people who fix bugs

lilac tinsel
languid beacon
#

in order to upload content you have to check a little box that says “I have the rights to upload this content”. If you lie and check that box anyway And VR chat gets a DMCA claim, you are in trouble, not them. You lied, not them.

ruby needle
#

Indeed bold to secure a steady income to pay for servers and development costs...

strange carbon
#

how dare they

quick finch
#

gasp.gif

vocal shard
#

Everyone is asking for bug fixes while I am hoping for actual content to be added to the game, lol.
Bug fixes are not content updates! If they break something then they should ofc fix it like any other developer should.

flat briar
#

So, this is said without actually knowing how many people are on the dev team, but I am going to work under the assumption that they don't have enough people to do what needs to be done at a pace people expect. This subscription could give them the ability to hire more employees so that they can better handle bugs and push out more of the features people want for everybody.

cinder elk
#

Can someone explain wtf this 'buying trust' is about

quick finch
#

One of the perks for VRC+ is a "small boost in trust"

cinder elk
#

It better not be what i think

hollow ingot
#

✅

unreal verge
#

I may pay for VRC+ but i want to at least see a few major bugs get fixed. Like that host bug and sitting one.

lilac tinsel
#

What about that 10 million they got to expand the team last year doe

flat briar
#

As I understand it, it is not enough to make a huge difference for people who have been in the game for a very long time

lilac tinsel
#

Did they employ people who can’t fix bugs?

quick finch
#

It is not a recurring boost you can spam with money, you cant whale it to pay to win.. its just an unknown amount of trust you get for being a VRC+ subscriber

strange carbon
#

game dev is expensive

vocal shard
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It's just a small boost to get out of visitor rank if you need to. But it's not like buying ranks and doesn't affect much after you've been playing for a month

cinder elk
#

It literally allows people to pay to allow them to crash people

ruby needle
#

Getting a trust boost with VRC+ is also totally understandable, crashers and such wouldn't dump money into a account just to get it banned in a week.

strange carbon
#

10 mil goes by fast when you gotta for 15+ employees, servers, your HQ and other expenses

languid beacon
#

I think in one a month I play enough to get purple all over again

flat briar
#

You also have to take into account all of the money needed to maintain the servers

cinder elk
#

They literally would

hollow ingot
#

What kind of content do you have in mind? I don't have any ideas, so I didn't mention it.

unreal verge
#

That's what i expected. Would've been ridiculous if you could get to trust easily that way.

quick finch
#

I personally love the "pay to crash people" system. It gives VRChat $10 for each banned account the crashers have to make

cinder elk
restive turtle
#

Why would you want to pay $10 a month as a visitor? You've barely even played the game at that point, and the only thing you'd receive by doing so is being able to upload avatars which you wouldn't have knowledge of anyway.

strange carbon
#

?

odd lava
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Actually you should get highest trust rank(preferably extra trust rank) for spending money, since you are least likely to be malicious

quick finch
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some folks are new to VRC, but not new to virtual worlds in general, so they want to upload stuff as soon as they get the account

cinder elk
#

Extremely wrong

flat briar
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Not for $10

languid beacon
unreal verge
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I'm currently user after 300 hours of play time

vocal shard
#

It's actually been something that was requested a lot, since there's a large number of creators who want to make avatars and stuff, but they don't play the game themselves. I've seen a few here asking if there was anyway they could just get out of visitors rank so they can fulfill their comissions

brisk bone
#

Well if you put money on the table, you're less likely to behave like a moron.

languid beacon
quick finch
#

I personally legitimately do trust a complete stranger who payed $10 more than a complete stranger who didnt when it comes to who might crash me

cinder elk
#

I trust them less lol

vocal shard
#

Trust nobody in vrchat

mortal flame
#

So is the subscription page up already?

brisk bone
#

No, the subscriptions are not up yet. It's still in testing.

flat briar
#

I am at 100 hours play time and I am already a user

cinder elk
#

I can absolutely imagine tons of ppl paying so they can gain trust and crash people

strange carbon
#

I'm at 550 and I'm trusted

restive turtle
#

Damn, I didn't get trusted until 700 hours.. 👀

vocal shard
#

I'm at 8k

odd lava
#

The problem is they are risking something with a ban on contrary to people not paying

languid beacon
terse valley
#

I didnt get till 1200 hrs

strange carbon
unreal verge
#

I'm a lot in private worlds, may affect the time to rank up

quick finch
#

trust doesnt come directly from hours, right? Its an algorithm

amber juniper
restive turtle
#

@strange carbon I've made 4 worlds and over 100 avatars, lol

near garnet
#

Hello

vocal shard
#

Client monkeys are just gonna refrain from subbing anyway

flat briar
#

Though, to be fair, I started playing the game before the whole trusted user and what not came about

strange carbon
#

dang

vocal shard
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If people are wanting to spend $10 just to be a dick and get banned.....

flat briar
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I stopped playing for a year and a half

strange carbon
languid beacon
vocal shard
#

I don't think it will be much of an issue

restive turtle
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@strange carbon I have maybe 150?

strange carbon
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hmm I have a bit over 250 idk

quick finch
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Oh neat

vocal shard
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Trust comes from a wide variety of things, yeah. World uploads, avatars, friends, etc

That's why you can derank if you unfriend a lot of people, which is... stupid

mild juniper
#

i see vr chat plus as the same as discord nitro which is an optional subscription service you get little perks for

flat briar
#

but yeah, it is unlikely to be purely related to how long you have been playing

terse valley
#

Still the plus thing is a good thing but there are two flaws. The trust and also the Big yellow tab saying VRC+ I dont want a huge ad in my face when I open the menu. Tbh

vocal shard
unreal verge
flat briar
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It definitely will be related to the actions you take and how people react to them

quick finch
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I had to unfriend a chunk of folks a while back :/ I didnt want to but it was before friend organization and it was impossible to look through or remember

mild juniper
#

i dont understand why people are upset

vocal shard
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Yeah, it's optional, hence why I do not understand why people are mad

languid beacon
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My understanding is you can’t get trusted just from play time alone, there are other checkboxes you need to check off

flat briar
#

yep

quick finch
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I think less people are mad than the discord would lead one to think. The mad folks are just VERY VERY vocal

unreal verge
#

People LOVE to be mad about stuff

vocal shard
#

The people that are mad are literally the same people that are using mods to begin with, so it makes it even more pointless for them to be mad.

mild juniper
#

@unreal verge thats un healthy

cinder elk
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It is literally true though ppl are defo gonna pay to crash ppl

strange carbon
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I'm going to buy plus just because I love this game but I'd really like to see more things added that I can do and not just customizing my nameplate or having emojis I mean a good reason to want to get plus

languid beacon
#

I doubt paying for VRC+ would boost you into purple unless you already had everything except playtime

flat briar
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@quick finch That is how it often is. The most vocal are almost always a small part of the majority. Not to say that it always the case though, but usually you have WAY more people being vocal in those cases where it actually is the majority.

thorny plume
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I pay 4.99 for my discord nitro :p

vocal shard
#

Nawh because it's not like they're gonna go from gray user to trusted user by paying, and it doesn't take you more than 4 hours to usually hit blue anyway

patent mural
#

where do i sub to vrchat+?

strange carbon
#

not yet

unreal verge
#

They could legit add flying as a perk lol

restive turtle
#

I need a lesser price for me to even consider paying for vrc+. $5 a month, even. But for what they offer at $10 a month, it's not nearly worth it.

mild juniper
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its not out yet

patent mural
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i need this.

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but it is tho i see it in game

cinder elk
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Buying trust defeats the point of trust

terse valley
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Its in beta

languid beacon
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My assumption is it would just jump visitor to new user

strange carbon
patent mural
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its in the beta version i dont need the trust i need those extra favorates

vocal shard
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It's not enough to make a difference if you've been playing for more than a month @cinder elk

patent mural
#

i need it.. i have so many avatars i wanna keep

vocal shard
#

5 a month would have been ideal for the system in its current state considering they still had not finished it, 10 could've happened later down the line when they had worked out more features imo, just how Discord did it

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It's the same as, uploaded world's adds more trust

cinder elk
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Ive been playing for more than a month and im not trusted or known user even

thorny plume
#

they should start with 5 and raise to 10 if they feel its feature rich enough to warrant it

vocal shard
#

Yeah

flat briar
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Yeah, the VRC+ is on the beta branch of the client. It is currently free to test out there

grand zenith
#

Took me 2 months to get trusted lol.

quick finch
#

I need a lesser price for me to even consider paying for vrc+. $5 a month, even. But for what they offer at $10 a month, it's not nearly worth it.
@restive turtle Totally reasonable, I think everyone should definitely consider the value of the subscription for themselves. I personally am eager to subscribe.

unreal verge
#

I don't need that much avatars. A friend however. Well he does forbidden things.

patent mural
#

i legit have a screenshot of it ingame right here

languid beacon
#

I kind of want non-subscribers to get their current avatar picture on their name tag and plus just let’s you have a custom one. Makes the paid people harder to single out

thorny plume
#

part of the issue is that steam is taking a 30% cut so its more like $7 back to vrchat

vocal shard
#

I was trusted when the system came out

terse valley
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How is the 100 favorites gonna work? It would lag out badly tho

mild juniper
#

@vocal shard yeah but i dont think people like it when a subscription service becomes more expensive so makeing the price 10 now when they can still make new features is smart

quick finch
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How do people do that cool version of quoting someone.. grandpa cant figure out how to discord over here

vocal shard
#

That's why I thought it would be a good idea to split it, one 5 dollar tier and one 10 dollar tier

cinder elk
#

Cant you have the subscription be through the official site then

languid beacon
flat briar
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Use the * symbol on both ends

thorny plume
#

its a steam game and monetisization needs to go via steam

patent mural
winged epoch
quick finch
#

oh wow that was embarassingly evident. thanks.

flat briar
#

Actually, nvm, I was wrong

vocal shard
patent mural
#

i have steam thats how i got the game

restive turtle
flat briar
#

You do this with what I was saying

vocal shard
#

Same

hollow ingot
unreal verge
#

Has oculus a subscription system or how are all the Quest users gonna subscribe?

restive turtle
strange carbon
languid beacon
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It actually wasn’t a thing until today

patent mural
#

i just need this in mah life

restive turtle
winged epoch
flat briar
#

Discord actually changed how quoting looks recently

vocal shard
#

Quest users are mostly kids at this point, so I don't think launching it on that platform right away is gonna have that much benefit for them

golden scaffold
strange carbon
#

omg it's one of the gods

patent mural
#

i just wanna know how to ge to the storepage thats all i just need this

flat briar
#

Devs in the house!

languid beacon
#

So will the payment be via Steam game page or will we do it on your website?

hollow ingot
#

👋

amber juniper
patent mural
unreal verge
golden scaffold
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You'll do it on Steam directly when it's available on live. From the client, you'll be able to launch the Steam payment portal and choose to pay through one of the payment methods they've got available.

cinder elk
#

Lol then why complain about the 30% cut

golden scaffold
patent mural
mild juniper
#

wait people some people in europe dont have credit cards?

unreal verge
cinder elk
#

My dad doesn't lol he has a debit card tho

restive turtle
#

@golden scaffold Any other perks you guys have thought about?

mild juniper
#

huh i never knew that

strange carbon
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@golden scaffold
What are your thoughts on this?

I brought this up yesterday but I think I'd be cool if they added something like nitro to vrc+ where you can pay to advertise your favourite world and have it show up in your world's menu ranked on how many people boosted it. Or if they can get past the legal problems something like twitch subbing for content creators would be cool

hollow ingot
#

This feels like one of those fancy programs with free trials now.

languid beacon
flat briar
#

@patent mural where is your confusion?

patent mural
#

my only problem with vrchat is favorates limits.

sleek thistle
#

@cinder elk I've been playing vrc almost constantly since I got my headset back in March, I only reached known user like a month ago, it took me making a couple worlds, and making my own avatars to give me that push to known, I also have a very long list of friends, and a couple 100 hours of play time.

unreal verge
#

In europe Debit is way more common

golden scaffold
patent mural
#

i just want vrchat plus ;-;

quick finch
#

yea my body is ready, hit me

golden scaffold
patent mural
#

well like im on the page where it says manage subscriptiion i just dont know how to START subscription

cinder elk
#

After its out will we just be taken off the beta?

quick finch
#

@patent mural it is not available yet

thorny plume
#

we use both credit and debit cards in europe

unreal verge
#

I'll probably need a long time to rank up since i don't know how map and avatar creation works

patent mural
#

the ad said it was oof i mean im on steam

amber juniper
golden scaffold
cinder elk
#

What will happen to favourited avatars also after either cancelling the sub or after the beta?

flat briar
#

@patent mural There is no way to currently pay for VRC+. All they are doing on the beta branch is testing it out to make sure there are no bugs, is my assumption.

patent mural
#

o ok

thorny plume
#

we also use contactless on them both as well, have for over a decade

languid beacon
patent mural
#

i just want extra favorite slots

quick finch
#

@unreal verge , the world creation process is surprisingly easy. you might find it fun to follow a youtube tutorial and get your very own world!

strange carbon
#

spark skipped what I @ed him in :( sad day

patent mural
#

in all honesty thats my only problem with vrc its a great game i got vr just for it oof

flat briar
#

Probably didn't see it over all the other @ him

languid beacon
patent mural
#

i know how

flat briar
#

@languid beacon I imagine that some of the ones he wants to upload he has no idea where to find the files for

patent mural
#

i cant make anything as cool ass these people can

restive turtle
hollow ingot
#

That typo...

mild juniper
#

i think over thanksgiving break im going to try to learn how to upload an avatar

golden scaffold
quick finch
#

Making things that are cool is the second step after making things

amber juniper
flat briar
#

@restive turtle that is my understanding of it

unreal verge
#

Yeah i don't know where to get the files of avatars I'm interested in either

cinder elk
#

What happens to your faves and stuff after ending the sub?

patent mural
#

my models are broken when i upload them i suck at rigging models i cannot do materials and the one time i made a good avatar a vrc update immeadiatly broke it

golden scaffold
cinder elk
#

Also will we be kicked off the beta after its announced?

quick finch
#

@patent mural that happens and its rough :/, but as you learn more about the system it gets easier and quicker to fix things and reupload.

flat briar
#

@golden scaffold Charlie's question is one I am curious about too

golden scaffold
flat briar
#

Option 3 would be best

amber juniper
patent mural
#

ive tried so many time to fixthem and most of the time it wont lemme upload

cinder elk
#

But also least likely

golden scaffold
cinder elk
#

Ah so they will be like seperate groups?

amber juniper
cinder elk
#

25 in each ig? Like worlds and friends?

golden scaffold
golden scaffold
thorny plume
#

spark can you throw your private avatars in those categories too as well

patent mural
#

what i need is help and ive met one guy who helped a little but im still left in the dark.... ive got the right sdks the right unity version and everything i jsut dont get it

thorny plume
#

if you have say 40 or so

amber juniper
patent mural
#

if anyone can help or knows someone who can help please tell me iif

flat briar
#

I love that you are adding more favorites for everybody when VRC+ comes out. It gives everybody something to be somewhat excited about

rapid cypress
#

Tupper... I...

languid beacon
#

Lol sorting my own uploads into groups is something I’d pay for

patent mural
#

oof....

thorny plume
#

seems like an unnecessary step, I guess it only works with favourites then :o

amber juniper
#

so... when get VRCbucks introduced? :P

rapid cypress
#

You were supposed to bring balance to the force !

patent mural
#

i know

languid beacon
#

Right click it on steam and go to preferences there is a beta tab

patent mural
#

... nice.....

rapid cypress
#

@amber juniper mmmh

amber juniper
#

hm?

rapid cypress
#

bro...

amber juniper
#

sis...

flat briar
#

@golden scaffold Not sure if this is possible or if you guys would entertain it (assuming it hasn't already been discussed) but it would be a very good idea to allow people one chance to swap the avatars they like the most into a group after the subscription ends

golden scaffold
golden scaffold
flat briar
#

Or at least have a way to know which groups get deactivated before the subscription ends so they can be ready. Again assuming it isn't already implemented

amber juniper
golden scaffold
amber juniper
#

like you did with the avatar save slots on the upcoming update

stark nest
#

Is there a channel that I can ask questions about something in game for vr chat?

tall forge
#

How much is this vrc+ going to cost since the main appeal to this game is that it's free?

unreal verge
#

$10 monthly

flat briar
#

$9.99 per month

obsidian shard
amber juniper
tall forge
#

Jesus... that's as much as netflix etc...

obsidian shard
#

Well it is a FREE game to begin with

flat briar
#

Plus, different people place different values on stuff

obsidian shard
#

Gotta pay the team and keep those servers running somehow, my dude.

indigo seal
#

OMG, the cat meows when you click on it many times, so adorable!

flat briar
#

It will not be for everyone

indigo seal
#

even purrs

smoky elbow
#

^^^^

obsidian shard
#

And if you don't like the price you don't have to subscribe to it 🤷‍♀️ Not a hard concept

shell bear
#

faaacts Sloth fuck all yall, if ya all so broke quit the game and get a job @obsidian shard true facts here

tall forge
#

@obsidian shard I'm sure they make more then enough money from the various vr headset companies that bundle/promote vrchat. I just worry this will cause an elitist group within the game and drive away new players when the players are already dwindling and only saw a surge due to covid.

flat briar
#

For me, I believe the 100 Favorite slots is worth it, everything else is extra. At least, it is if I continue to paly VRChat as much as I am right now

amber juniper
golden scaffold
obsidian shard
#

Oh lord, it's a "dead game because I say so" guy.

little patrol
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why would u quit the game over a low effort cash grab? lmao

indigo seal
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is there a world to go to when u use open beta? like to join other players that are on open beta

amber juniper
tall forge
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@obsidian shard Are you able to comprehend what you read? I never said it was a "dead game" please show me where I said that. I said the players dwindling and only saw a surge due to covid which is facts. Also there is a competitor game coming out very soon that will rival vrchat

rapid cypress
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Katyusha... how could you

karmic rose
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Shouldn't hate on people for valid criticism. People should talk about the price. This is a chance for people to make their stance and opinion heard regarding a dramatic change to a game they love. If overwhelmingly people are saying its too much, shouldn't just go "well don't be poor". Commenting on the perceived value of a product is valuable info.

supple python
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The biggest thing people are complaining about right now is stupid, if you want to support VRC then support VRC, the extra perks that come along with it should be a bonus. If you dont like the perks, and think that you are paying solely for the perks, then dont

flat briar
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It is very much a discussion of perception.

tall forge
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I'm being civil in my discussion about it. Unfortunately there's always a wise guy who'd prefer to argue then have a civil discussion. Thus is the internet sadly

stark nest
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I got a few questions

obsidian shard
supple python
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There is 100% no downside to not paying for the perks

stark nest
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Why is vrc so controversial?

indigo seal
stark nest
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Several people are typing oh god

golden scaffold
tall forge
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See @obsidian shard is just a toxic person who cannot have a civil discussion. Feel for you. Hope whatever anger you have in life gets resolved soon so you can stop being petty on the internet 🙂

amber juniper
indigo seal
karmic rose
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There is 100% no downside to not paying for the perks
@supple python that's not entirely true. Future updates such as photo invites and UI skinning are also paywalled. There are downsides potentially. Discussing them is important.

obsidian shard
indigo seal
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need 500 euro more for vr, so sad

tall forge
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@karmic rose there is downsides.. there's already avatars I cannot see unless I get vrc +

shell bear
flat briar
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I think you are seeing the meme avatars

supple python
tall forge
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@obsidian shard I'm not mad I'm having a discussion. Are you really this toxic of a person?

languid beacon
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The perks that were chosen were as harmless as possible that avoid paywalling anyone out. So I really don’t understand the complaints. Then what I don’t get is people saying “They shouldn’t charge for these features” it’s like, so you’d prefer they add stuff that DOES make people feel left out?

That’s what I would complain about. Feels like talking to someone from another planet.

flat briar
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There are a bunch of people running around with fake meme avatars right now

supple python
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Cosmetic things in 90% of games are "paywall" but are not required to enjoy and participate in the game

unreal verge
coarse grove
amber juniper
coarse grove
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with a decent pc, you can just stream vrc to it then

flat briar
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@tall forge Somebody has made a avatar to make people think they need VRC+ to view it when they are actually viewing the avatar

smoky elbow
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with a link cable ^^

tall forge
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@flat briar Oh I see, thank you for the info 🙂

indigo seal
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im not getting fb shit, no thx, im not supporting "Log In with" kind of bs, im going valve index

smoky elbow
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not that much more expensive if i remember correctly

coarse grove
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I greatly dislike Link.
Virtual Desktop is so much better.

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Wireless, looks perfect and it actually works out of the box.

shell bear
golden scaffold
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Virtual Desktop is so nice

unreal verge
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I use virtual Desktop on my Quest too

smoky elbow
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Ive had a couple friends tell me things, I've gotten 50-50 on the matter, but i have the htc vive original with index controllers so I can't relate :c

flat briar
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@coarse grove That is the 64gb version there is a $399 version with much more memory storage

coarse grove
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Okay.
You don't need that, unless you watch movies.

vocal shard
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Give oil

flat briar
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@smoky elbow I have the same setup

languid beacon
smoky elbow
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ayyee

coarse grove
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Quest games are really really small.

indigo seal
smoky elbow
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honestly everyone told me to just get the full index, but the vive headset is still really good

vocal shard
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Pls give oil

languid beacon
ruby needle
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Actually isn't the OG Vive headset is kinda low fidelity these days.

unreal verge
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I'm too poor for an Index

coarse grove
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You go for an Index straight away?