#vrchat-general-2

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stable trellis
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no one is going to be mad about this in a month and half the people who leave vrc will be back when they learn that none of the competitors have anywhere close to the user base 🤷‍♂️

valid kernel
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This update really stired the shitpot, huh?

mild cradle
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I'm still against the ability to pay for trust.

hoary drift
potent hatch
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yeah no shit Venn

frail zephyr
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aww there feeling are hurt they removed reactions

dry marsh
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@outer slate i'd thumbs up your post, but it seems to have been disabled =p

gray sparrow
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Is it gonna be monthly?

leaden finch
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Im just concerned that Avatar creators can limit their avatars to VRC+ only. Bc then may will do that and force people to pay. Just my opinion. And imo that shit aint good

limpid forge
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youve been nicer than most then
@gritty frost The servers I'm in seem to be nice as well then.

formal dove
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I'm not gonna leave over a supportive tier, but I do think it should be $5/month based on what it entails

honest forge
humble gyro
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People made that point lol, 10 bucks is a little much, 5 dollars and many are more willing

scenic cosmos
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Udon is garbage, Udon sharp is keeping it alive. Udon sharp was made by an user. So it's clear you don't create content, conversation ends here. You don't have a point

tepid urchin
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?
@honest forge they disabled reactions

honest forge
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tf is this discord feature

tepid urchin
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Im just asking for VRChat to change VRC+ or remove it and start a patreon
@graceful furnace a patreon would make much more sense

crystal brook
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Looks fun in here

scenic cosmos
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You can't react unless you have VRC+

verbal marsh
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Udonshap is way better then the trigger system which we had to use before udon came out

autumn shadow
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Udon is garbage, Udon sharp is keeping it alive. Udon sharp was made by an user. So it's clear you don't create content, conversation ends here. You don't have a point
@scenic cosmos your an idiot who ignore any facts thats all im saying

mild cradle
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And it's not just the tier that people are pissed about A LOT of us are pissed over the poor development of this game and the choices that led to this point.

limpid forge
mystic raft
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I take it a lot aren’t happy with the new announcement I haven’t looked I to it properly yet but the idea of a subscription based version seems a bit of a bad idea ://

knotty light
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You're**

scenic cosmos
outer slate
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@dry marsh They dont like the fact that they upset the community so are trying to silence it.

frail zephyr
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lookout there gunna lock the chat soon

mortal perch
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Don't worry Udon will fix this... Oh Wait...

potent hatch
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This is getting worse, and WORSE, AND FUCKING WORSE

tepid urchin
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People are getting banned left and right in #vrchat-general-1 don't post emoji's in there, lmfaooooooooo
@prime ore happening here to

dry marsh
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everyone is worried about trust levels? does anyone else remember that trust wasn't always a thing?

vocal shard
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I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

honest glacier
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It's not the worst thing in the world, the paying for trust seems like a poor decision. The whole thing just reeks of a money grab, for features that just genuinely, to me, don't seem worth a whole lot of much at all

autumn shadow
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Yeah insult me, show me I was right, I wanna see that rage
@scenic cosmos theres no rage

cursive coral
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Man U actually stole our nameplate idea to make money like u said u would kinda weird

leaden finch
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This is getting worse, and WORSE, AND FUCKING WORSE
@potent hatch Log off then n go sleep. But fyi its not wrong to fight shit like this. Bc 10 bucks.. Is overkill

hushed bramble
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Hot take: as long as the base game is functional, I don't see an issue adding a subscription

formal dove
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I am for these changes personally, I knew it was gonna happen, and I prepared for it, as long as my sub supports better game development, I'm game

humble gyro
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It not only reeks, it probably is

mild cradle
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It's not the worst thing in the world, the paying for trust seems like a poor decision. The whole thing just reeks of a money grab, for features that just genuinely, to me, don't seem worth a whole lot of much at all
@honest glacier Thank you. It defeats the whole purpose of the Trust system.

potent hatch
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Everyone is ignoring the problem

gritty frost
honest flume
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I’ll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.
@vocal shard

verbal marsh
vocal shard
scenic cosmos
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I find it funny how they keep restricting the channel

humble gyro
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People made stuff for it and they banned them, now theyre making people pay for those same features

leaden finch
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I am for these changes personally, I knew it was gonna happen, and I prepared for it, as long as my sub supports better game development, I'm game
@formal dove Or they buy a new mansion

cursive coral
gloomy valve
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First off im not a fan of this. BUT I know online games take money to run. My only fear is DMCA's ruining the whole game for everyeone

honest glacier
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the base game is... semi-functional, they do the best they can with having to hot-swap assets on the fly from a wildly diverse number of sources, some of which is... poorly made, and some of which is just deliberately awful

knotty light
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VRChats latest community dividing update... A subscription service.

tepid urchin
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First off im not a fan of this. BUT I know online games take money to run. My only fear is DMCA's ruining the whole game for everyeone
@gloomy valve it'll happen

hushed bramble
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DMCA's will always be a problem for anything that has creative freedom

formal dove
mild cradle
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Look at fucking Friday the 13th. That game HAD SO MUCH promise and it died. They got sued and lost the rights to add things to the game.

dry marsh
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yeah, with vrc actually having a method of making cash, all the copyrighted avatars may end up a problem (which is sad). that;s my biggest worry, the rest of this will blow over within a week or two.

humble gyro
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God i love paying for vrpills yacht fuel

pallid vapor
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Trust was only put in to limit trolls and crashers. If you pay, you are less likely to troll and crash and get banned

frail zephyr
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mmmm 1k dislikes on there video

urban dust
halcyon dome
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Alright, can I get a quick recap on what everyone's discussing? Not really sure where to start reading.

limpid forge
leaden finch
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I'm not going to hack it or get mad until I see what happens from it, I'm not going to speculate or be negative about something that hasn't come out yet
@formal dove I mean it was leaked they had spent 3 million on a house tho.

gritty frost
vocal shard
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Vrchat IS the avatars and worlds

potent hatch
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One more time...
Shitshow

And now, I leave

honest glacier
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There are some really, really cool places to visit in VRC, art gallery worlds, games, et cetera

mortal perch
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Mmmmm yummy lemons
@gritty frost

mild cradle
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I'm sorry does it seem they used 10 million+ towards the development of this game?

limpid forge
fair pine
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🤰

halcyon dome
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seems lemons are getting deleted

formal dove
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I will pay the sub either or, I love being with my friends

limpid forge
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Where would the VRChat Team even get a mansion when the base game is free for a long time?

leaden finch
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Is the leak true or just a rumor?
@limpid forge I mean i cant remember where that article is but as i remember it was actually a really serious paper who wrote of it

humble gyro
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Vrchats nothing without its creators thats the reality of it

mild cradle
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Is the leak true or just a rumor?
@limpid forge The memory leak? If so, yes. It's always been a damn problem. Cpu leaks, memory leaks. unoptimized features.

stable trellis
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ah yes tupper, the one man developer behind vrchat

frigid magnet
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Lemon?

halcyon dome
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I'm missing the lemon joke. Can someone explain it to me lol

cold quiver
frail zephyr
mortal perch
chrome marsh
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I'm sorry does it seem they used 10 million+ towards the development of this game?
@mild cradle salary for 15 staff members, expensive AWS hosting, other misc costs. Yes. They likely only have 1-2 years of funds left.

honest glacier
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people were spamming lemons in the public chat, buut unfortunately as far as I know nobody has stepped in and said "hey please stop, this doesn't help"

gotta go look at what udon is exactly now

frail zephyr
stable trellis
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seems like a pretty personal attack to me bro, you should probably chill out

languid beacon
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oh man i missed the explostion

north willow
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Why are the lemons deleted

harsh geyser
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|| a yellow fruit ||

mild cradle
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The game looks like it was made by a higschooler and his friend. Like it just doesnt feel like 3 years of development to me.

stable trellis
north willow
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Lemon nooooo

dry marsh
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because people started spamming lemons in reaction to vrc+ mods started deleting them so people can actually see chat

ivory axle
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Ain't giving my money to anyone until the security system gets improved thankks

alpine surge
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beef is simping

urban dust
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Lol you dont even know him XD

languid beacon
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Holy crap are people actually upset about the support perks thing

primal spade
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add more security to ur game and fix ripping then mayb ill care

north willow
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I'm just wondering the coralation between lemons and the new update

frail zephyr
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the bans are coming

frigid magnet
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Bruh got timed out because of a lemon

robust juniper
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So uh, why's lemon getting people banned? genuinely curious

mild cradle
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Prepare for the purge.

leaden finch
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Maybe we get a Lemon emoji with VRC+ LUL

dry marsh
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@languid beacon its more of everyone is scared because they added paid features to the game

ivory axle
alpine surge
honest glacier
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adeon, people will get angry over anything that costs them money in a game that didn't cost money before

knotty light
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Lemon equals people being sour? Apparently?

humble gyro
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This update is dumb and moneygrubbing and possibly may divide it more than it already has in 2018. That's it thats the post

supple cliff
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The fact there asking for money before making a good security system upsets me lul
@ivory axle agree completely

crimson apex
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With the money they could bring in more devs to help improve the game

languid beacon
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Idk man I already paid over 2000 usd in this game

sharp hemlock
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my avatar list cant even load properly so whats the point of having 100 favorites

frail zephyr
ivory axle
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Well you do you but you're wasting your money

mild cradle
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They have 20 people in the team already.

ocean arch
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If you compare nitro with VRChat+, it's really no different to eachother. Get over it

halcyon dome
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I think VRChat is setting off a lot of Red Flags with the support shit I just saw. Most avatars in the game that aren't generic E-boy/E-girl wolf-people models are from other games with their own ownerships. Paying for the ability to have more favorite avatars on it;s own could probably set some things off

alpine surge
vocal shard
languid beacon
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Waste would imply i regret anything

autumn shadow
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Idk man I already paid over 2000 usd in this game
@languid beacon you spent it on equipment that can be used on the game and anything else

honest glacier
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I hope you found the worth in your purchases 🙂

urban dust
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Good question actually and if not then witch does it choose to nuke if so/ do you get them back if you re up and so on

leaden finch
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They have 20 people in the team already.
@mild cradle 20 W3Schools learned programmer u mean LUL

alpine surge
mild cradle
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Just please don't fuck over trust systems for your own greed.

knotty light
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Lemon emote is gone completely. No freedom of emotes.

languid beacon
crimson apex
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I don't mind paying vrc devs if it means they are going to put more support into the game

hearty glacier
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I was wondering where I could try the VRC+ open beta.

vocal shard
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vrcStop op: vrc plus 🤢

autumn shadow
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if you want to count equipment, it's even greater. nah man, that's just comissions and stuff.
@languid beacon lmao rip

ocean arch
dry marsh
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@halcyon dome yep. with money comes the people who own all the models that were ripped and used as avatars. no more hiding behind being a free game =/

north willow
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Ahahahhaha

mild cradle
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Gone-

autumn shadow
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begone

mortal perch
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Can I just go Amazon style and pay get benefits then cancel for refund?

graceful sigil
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I mind paying for vrc+ when the moderation team cant handle an emoji

quartz vapor
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I wanna imagine you’ll just get banned if you have more than 25 saved when it expires

languid beacon
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I'm assuming the oldest 25 would be kept, that's how I'd code it.

ivory axle
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I'm assuming there will be an improved system along with this new system?

stable trellis
vocal shard
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VRC plus is completely optional and most likely not going to be released until they fix the other obvious issues, there is no complete downside and you have to realize up until now this has been an early access free to play game, it's come super far from the early days and I think that should be respected.

dry marsh
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@lyric solar that data most likely stays written, they just disable the ability to access the slots

limpid forge
languid beacon
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The rule against chat spam is not new, it's right there in #rules

leaden finch
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Ok imma go take a shit n read all this. its good fun

honest forge
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@vocal shard haha funny meme

halcyon dome
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I don't think you can actually still call yourself Early Access after 4 years.

autumn shadow
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VRC plus is completely optional and most likely not going to be released until they fix the other obvious issues, there is no complete downside and you have to realize up until now this has been an early access free to play game, it's come super far from the early days and I think that should be respected.
@vocal shard i agree

misty sequoia
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have a nice shit

leaden finch
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have a nice shit
@misty sequoia Thanks ❤️

upbeat dove
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Really the only major issue I have with it is lack of a 5 dollar tier. Literally, that's it. I just want a 5 dollar option, like a twitch sub or something, that just gives me a badge and some emojis. I can swing that, but 10 is kind of a lot because I am so damn broke.

graceful sigil
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I saw someone get banned for saying "free the monkey", in public lobby. That is not spam

frail zephyr
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soo ron what do you think of all this?

urban dust
vocal shard
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Free to play early access is completely different from a payed for early access game.

grizzled pasture
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i'm not seeing complaints in vrchat's canny

alpine surge
humble gyro
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Bring back reactions you cowards

quartz vapor
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Look here’s my only, absolute worry, price is whatever, perks are whatever but ONLY as long as I’d they DONT make a new rank out of it, I don’t want pay to trust bullshit

potent fern
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uuh, whats happening with all those post getting removed. and the fact that you cant react..
(as for Vrchat + I think its just a bit too high)

ocean arch
knotty light
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They got rid of reacts. I can't even show my agreeance with peoples comments. Seems like business as usual for VRChat feedback.

honest flume
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I really hope that this negative reaction will be a wake up call. This is a real opportunity for the devs and the CCO to show that they are listening to their community and do the right thing about it. The foundation of this game was built on the backs of the community. It would be a real shame if they didn't listen and because of it they had a mass exodus. That would not only ruin the game but ruin any chance of a future for vrchat. PLEASE LISTEN THIS TIME. Your community is speaking to you.

upbeat dove
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I think having higher tiers is fine, maybe make the trust level bonus cost more even.

humble gyro
strange sinew
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ppl are so over reacting to this lol

ripe galleon
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Funky fish

potent fern
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I understand the spam but cant even react anymore wut.

minor lagoon
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anyone play poker stars? im lookn for friends to gamble with

alpine surge
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tupper should say something in this chat or pill or ron atleast one of them

vocal shard
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vrcStop vrc plus 🤢

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vrc kinda hitting different after vrc+ 😳

languid beacon
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If I'm already paying for a green name to boost this server I'll just move it to the game where it supports them directly /shrug

glass hinge
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It won't be long before the mass dmca notices come in since they wanna now generate revenue

humble gyro
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I need to know if my comments are funny

ocean arch
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Eh not really, Diru. People are just angry because they don't know what the difference is between a paywall and supporting the game. For vrc, it's no different to nitro

knotty light
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Play the game for two plus years, see next to no improvement, and then talk to me about over reacting.

mild cradle
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I really hope that this negative reaction will be a wake up call. This is a real opportunity for the devs and the CCO to show that they are listening to their community and do the right thing about it. The foundation of this game was built on the backs of the community. It would be a real shame if they didn't listen and because of it they had a mass exodus. That would not only ruin the game but ruin any chance of a future for vrchat. PLEASE LISTEN THIS TIME. Your community is speaking to you.
@honest flume They won't listen to us. They never will.

strange sinew
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Eh not really, Diru. People are just angry because they don't know what the difference is between a paywall and supporting the game. For vrc, it's no different to nitro
@ocean arch riiight

limpid forge
vocal shard
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vrcStop vrc plus 🤢

ripe galleon
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I want funky fish emoji, anybody with me?

winged ridge
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10$ a month is kinda pricey tho

potent fern
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This chat is for sure pretty active tonight lol

ocean arch
north willow
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The End of VRChat part 8

dry marsh
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i agree with vrc+ not being a problem in of itself. its the fact that BEACAUSE it can now generate money is what scares me, what's going to happen to all the worlds/avatars based on copyrighted properties? I want vrchat to be able to support itself, but to be able to it has to open itself up to attack from people who own copyrights that are used left and right in vrc (how many marios, sonics, and especially knuckles do you see regularly?)

upbeat dove
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I super want to support, I just can't afford 10 dollars a month. It's that simple.

random fjord
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interesting

ripe thunder
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can someone show me worlds to experience in vr??

quartz vapor
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Right but “pay to trust” is the most bullshit thing you could have, that’s literally the absolute, most open way to draw in predators and have people trust them too much. As much as they worry about rank security, and how LONG it takes to be considered trusted it’s bs you can now pay 10 bucks for something that took thousands of hours

honest glacier
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potentially problematic, innit? Also hey devs, please don't do the trusted thing, money does not equal trust

hearty glacier
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Imagine malding over supporting a free game.

languid beacon
humble gyro
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We already mentioned a donation based system rather than a sub one

strange sinew
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bunch of cry babies

limpid forge
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What happens to copyrighted avatars? Well, it's not our concern. The VRC Team probably thought about that.

hearty glacier
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Then dont sub big brains. The non subbed game is getting upgrades too

upbeat dove
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I think there's cause for legitimate concern, but people are taking it way too far.

alpine surge
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vrc simps

mild cradle
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Play the game for two plus years, see next to no improvement, and then talk to me about over reacting.
@knotty light Played 3 and I am livid. It took me a lot to get my trusted rank and now people can pay their way there. It pisses me off.

humble gyro
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You really don't understand lol, thats on you

languid beacon
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Lol this is like the tamest support perks I've seen, I can't believe people are upset about it

hearty glacier
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Its like discord nitro. Just vrchat. Calm tf down. Yall malding over money.

halcyon dome
frigid magnet
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I want funky fish emoji, anybody with me?
@ripe galleon I'm with you

dry marsh
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@ripe thunder you choose the worst time to join the discord XD im so sorry. right now everyone is up in arms about vrc adding a tiny paid feature. you may want to wait a day or two before you'll get people not yelling at each other =[

knotty light
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I don't want upgrades. I want the game itself to have more competent development.

honest glacier
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anyway, ya'll have a luvly day 👍

frail zephyr
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go look at the canny see how they never do what people really want

ripe galleon
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@frigid magnet sev, my brother, funky fish emoji

upbeat dove
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There's really no point in yelling at people to calm down either. Just throwing oil on a flame, turning the discussion into tit-for-tat.

humble gyro
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I love capitalism guys

grizzled basalt
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I joined to watch this chaos lmfao
@tacit sapphire same

languid beacon
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anyway this has been enough discord chat for me, back to VRC

mortal perch
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*Distant cries of Knuckles who have further lost their way.

strange sinew
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yea ofc i can see some of the disslike but there not forcing just want some suport but donating to a twitch stream or subbing is fine

hearty glacier
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Its game about meeting people, its like 4d discord.

Let them have a subscription based system. Dont sub if you dont want to.

dry marsh
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welp, yall have fun yalling at each other. im gonna watch the animaniacs reboot till this all calms down

humble gyro
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Its my favourite thing, i love paying

vocal shard
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I am going to buy vrc+ to level up my trust rank faster and nobody can stop me!!

quick python
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The cosmetic stuff is kinda cool, but paying to boost your trust level? No thanks. I'd also rather they work on something else, like, actual effective ways to stop crashers. Also 10 bucks questionable when all they've shown is... what? A custom nameplate? A shiny badge? C'mon, man. What a joke.

grizzled basalt
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this is why the knuckles left. there is no way

twilit heron
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They need to fix the umpteen-hundred different security, networking and performance issues before anyone's gonna want to dish out money for a monthly subscription. This game is held together with silly string and hopeful dreams. It's a mess of an idea with lackluster rewards.

frigid magnet
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Yeah funky fish

languid beacon
honest flume
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@limpid forge Open up donations. Donations in writting doesn't not equal monetization, therefore giving vrc their loophole for getting dmca's and avoiding the lawsuits that come with it. All of the extras that are coming with this is kinda bland imo.. so I'm not worried about it... but yeah.

frigid magnet
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Bye lemon

ivory axle
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I hope the devs listen to those who give them money to make a secure game

hearty glacier
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Yall wild for raging about a free to play game getting a subscription system that you dont need to get. Like calm down lmao.

vocal shard
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lmao wait till superiority gets worse

upbeat dove
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Who's raging right now?

frigid magnet
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Bye lemon V2

mild cradle
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Its like discord nitro. Just vrchat. Calm tf down. Yall malding over money.
@hearty glacier It isn't. Discord didn't take away things people could do before. Or ban people for doing things they were gonna eventually have them pay for. Or defeat their trust system they implemented for SAFETY and community.

sharp saddle
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Wait, the Animaniacs reboot is out?!

restive turtle
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I'm both afraid and mad. I'm worried because this new payment system could very easily decline into features coming about that require the subscription that are walled off from regular members. The avatar favorites, for example. Mod creators have been able to create infinitely long lists of favorites for quite a while, and it's hard to understand why the dev's, with access to much larger hardware, couldn't make the list substantially larger for everyone for free. Limiting it so much makes all the amazing avatars I find harder to use because of the small number of slots I have to save them. I'm also upset over the boost in trust. One of the mods responded to a comment I made about the pay-to-win trust saying it was only a little boost, and just something that can be used to help visitors upload faster. That's incredibly dumb. 1: Who's is going to pay $10 a month right after downloading a free game with zero knowledge on avatar or world creation? 2: Even if they did understand or were taught, a large percentage don't have any sort of emotional investment in the game and I feel they'll sway towards making crashers or other bullshit just because they want a laugh.

leaden finch
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@honest flume Id rather patreon than sub monthly like this

languid beacon
frail zephyr
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make a donation i dont wanna pay monthly for a social experiment to get things that should be free

limpid forge
knotty light
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VRChat Plus is just another coat of paint to cover up the same pile of spaghetti code they've failed to really truly improve after all these years. The community has always offered to support them. Pointed out security issues directly to them which normally got ignored, and practically begged for basic features that anyone who took a highschool programing class could have implemented.

frigid magnet
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Bye lemon V3

honest glacier
toxic cloak
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@languid beacon shader that could be used to customize your name plate got taken away, and then the ToS updated banning them.

frigid magnet
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V4

dark hawk
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How are they going to monotize a game that %99 of the content in it is user created?

languid beacon
upbeat dove
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Same way Second Life did really.

vocal shard
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👒

strange sinew
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if you wanne suport them sub if not dont its really not that bad

ivory axle
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Dont make pretty little cosmetic things and make the game more secure

toxic cloak
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thats what someone just mentioned on "what" was taken away idiot, Im upset at more than just that

ripe thunder
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its allg xD i barely play on my vr because i dont have any friends on it

oblique ivy
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All I have to say about all y'all people whining is you're stupid.
Panicking over some dumb shit that you don't have to pay for when the money will be used for the game. Y'all bandwagon so hard it hurts to see.

honest flume
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@limpid forge But if they do a subscription service like this that does mean that they are monetizing and they can get hit for avatars, worlds, game rips, ext ext.. This isn't a good thing at all.

dark hawk
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@oblique ivy it's not going to be used for the game lmao

vocal shard
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just make a fucking poll and stfu

amber juniper
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In the beginning VRChat+ was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

languid beacon
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Don't worry, it's dying down. So far it's about 25% complaining, and 75% "ya'll are stupid for complaining"

knotty light
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Dont make pretty little cosmetic things and make the game more secure
@ivory axle This! ^ I'd react to it, but they took away my ability to.

tawny delta
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@restive turtle i agree 10/10 literally people just use a mod menu for all of this stuff they keep providing

mild cradle
#

Still. Trust is for people who were active in the community and uploaded things to help out. Someone paying for their trust rank is disgusting.

north willow
#

"I'd rather sub monthly and get nothing instead of subbing monthly and getting something."

restive turtle
#

@mild cradle Exactly.

ocean arch
#

Couldn't agree more with Vox. Just shut up and accept that vrc+ is for supporting the game and nothing else. It's literally not that different to Nitro

frail zephyr
#

yea mod menus well never go away

vocal shard
#

bruh lmao

oblique ivy
#

And what makes you say that? Based on what? "They wont use it on the game."
You have no precedent for this shit and y'all still bitch

upbeat dove
#

Yeah I really wish the tit-for-tat "I'm mad" - "stop being mad" back and forth would simply end. But now even I'm kinda contributing to it... Meh. I don't get what the big deal is.

tawny delta
#

imagine paying for a rank in vrchat kinda poggers lmao

sharp saddle
#

@languid beacon Yep! It's available!

dark hawk
#

You guys think they are going to spend it on the game? Ask about where their funding from HTC went

restive turtle
#

@dark hawk Lol

ocean arch
#

You're not paying for a rank, you're paying for a badge. There's a difference

honest flume
#

@leaden finch I agree, to an extent. A patreon sub is still considered a "donation" sub in a sense. So yeah, it would still benifit on all fronts.

restive turtle
#

@ocean arch Paying boosts trust. That is, in fact, your rank.

mild cradle
#

You're not paying for a rank, you're paying for a badge. There's a difference
@ocean arch If you look at the YT vid it says you get increased trust.

sharp saddle
#

they said u get a rank boost for buying it
@lyric solar You get trusted faster than the standard rate.

oblique ivy
#

Damn imagine thinking all the money was pocketed when they have to fund servers and they were paying someone to make Udon that entire time 😳
Get real.

dark hawk
#

The whole dev community actively shits on the user base everyday because they know the lonely coomers will milk it up

ocean arch
#

They'll change that I'd imagine if you leave them feedback in the open beta, @mild cradle @restive turtle

tawny delta
#

@sudden agatealot of people do and its kinda sad, but they could use that to harm other players with the higher trust ranks they could use it to crash others with the trust level

strange sinew
#

OmG i AlReDy SpEnD 2K oN tHiS gAmE

mild cradle
#

@lyric solar You get trusted faster than the standard rate.
@sharp saddle Which is wrong.

leaden finch
#

@honest flume Rather patreon than this garbadge

honest flume
#

Agreed

sharp saddle
#

@sharp saddle Which is wrong.
@mild cradle There's a grace period for feedback though.

cosmic sable
#

Pay to win

maiden ridge
ripe galleon
#

I guess no funky fish emoji addition... 😢

frail zephyr
#

yea where did the 10 million go? toilet paper

gray sparrow
#

Several people are typing

edgy hamlet
#

Is vrc+ really a new trust rank like some people are saying? I haven't seen that being the case mentioned anywhere in either the trailer or announcement

dark hawk
#

You get a badge

keen plinth
#

What you probably heard about is how vrc+ gives you trust "points" towards your next rank

frail zephyr
#

go to open beta on steam

leaden finch
#

@frail zephyr Nono only 7 mill to toilet paper. 3 went towards mansion

restive turtle
#

Is vrc+ really a new trust rank like some people are saying? I haven't seen that being the case mentioned anywhere in either the trailer or announcement
@edgy hamlet It's not a trust rank. You get a badge, and a boost to your trust, which will increase the speed in getting trusted.

knotty light
#

VRChat Plus is just Skyrim Creation Club. Prove me wrong. Paid mods.

stable trellis
#

does it not follow that someone whos paying for a sub would be more trustworthy (from a safety perspective) than someone who isnt paying? someone with money attached to their account is less likely (not impossible, obviously) to intentionally be an issue in the community since they have something to lose

mild cradle
#

You get a badge
@dark hawk You get a badge AND increased trust.

upbeat dove
#

I will pay 5 dollars a month for just the badge and some emoji, 10 dollars a month for half the features listed, and 15+ a month for the trust rank bonus plus maybe some special SDK leniency for upload limits.

dark hawk
#

Just another thing for the lonely mirror sitters to flex

toxic cloak
#

Heres why IM upset with this dumb monetization that they're using as "Support the Devs" to be, They've been intrusted with multiple sponsorships through HTC and Facebook, for MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, are sponsored by Booth too. But when push comes to shove all of their "updates" they've done to game have just caused the game to degrade more and more through time, since the start of the Camera update all the way to them updating to network IK to support the quest, which leads to the issues we have now where theres fucking 5 second long delays between interactions that still have not been addressed, or the Menu Ui itself breaking in one way or the other, or the audio glitch that is still persistent, and they say ey give us $10 a month and we'll fix it tm :^)

strange sinew
#

ima just take my badge and sit infront of a miror with my fbt

upbeat dove
#

They're not going to respond in an unprofessional manner to what amounts to an angry mob though.

stable trellis
#

what are you even trying to say with your emojis

tawny delta
#

funny how they also turned off comments on the video XD

leaden finch
#

@stable trellis your argument is shit. Look at CSGO. U can pay for prime and all the hackers do that. Prime was invented to prevent hackers

restive turtle
#

Still waiting on station animations to work with 3.0 models..

mild cradle
#

Hey vrchat team. How bout. I dunno. Talk with us instead of staying silent. Like. Communication will solve a lot of this instead of being silent on everything going on right now
@tacit sapphire Seeing as how 18 of them are online right now AND ALL of them are silent. They never will. They won't address anything either.

edgy hamlet
#

@edgy hamlet It's not a trust rank. You get a badge, and a boost to your trust, which will increase the speed in getting trusted.
@restive turtle Makes sence i suppose, i can understand why people whom worked up towards trusted are a bit peeved but if you are willing to invest money into the game its more likely you wont be in it to mess with people and risk getting banned i suppose

north willow
#

I can't believe this system, I would rather have something like a patreon way more. Maybe they could even like have rewards for my monthly subscription, on patreon. like Maybe they could incentivize us on Patreon with maybe more avatar favorite slots in vrchat or a special nametag but anything besides this...

frail zephyr
#

Communication please vrc dev team

dark hawk
#

@toxic cloak they spent the money on hookers and blow, why has the VRC team not published where there funding from these sponsorships have gone? It's obviously not been put into the game. All the content in there is user created and they want to monotize user created content

radiant jewel
#

Dude the Icon thing should've been something we could do ages ago smh

midnight jacinth
#

this game really suck my friends always private room in so much pornographic game ? only american host servers we are playing suck ping really bad i say fucking all staff members goodluck 🙂

stable trellis
upbeat dove
#

If I was a mod or a dev, no offense but I'd ignore this discussion as well in the current atmosphere it's in. This isn't fertile ground for a meaningful conversation with people spitting their words at each other full of venom.

sharp saddle
#

@toxic cloak they spent the money on hookers and blow, why has the VRC team not published where there funding from these sponsorships have gone? It's obviously not been put into the game. All the content in there is user created and they want to monotize user created content
@dark hawk Server costs are super expensive, especially for an always-online MMO like this. ;)

mild cradle
#

@dark hawk Server costs are super expensive, especially for an always-online MMO like this. ;)
@sharp saddle 3 years of developments pal. Wya

ocean arch
restive turtle
#

@dark hawk Server costs are super expensive, especially for an always-online MMO like this. ;)
@sharp saddle How were they managing to keep it online before then, if all that money went into keeping it online?

stable trellis
#

thats not a swastika you dolt

ruby dragon
#

that's a akitsaws

sharp saddle
#

Server costs, employee payroll, investors, etc.

honest glacier
#

@upbeat dove I appreciate your level headedness and hope you have a luvly day / evening

dark hawk
#

Millions are not needed to keep a server running

ocean arch
#

@restive turtle investment by vive

ivory axle
#

Millions are to be a game improve..

sacred crest
#

is it possible to pay for vrc+ right now?

strange sinew
#

so who is getting a year when its out?

restive turtle
#

@sharp saddle My point still stands. They were paying before then, weren't they? So why did all that money immediately get sucked away?

frail zephyr
dark hawk
#

Employee Pay???? Lmao they don't anything, %99 of content is user created

mild cradle
#

Server costs, employee payroll, investors, etc.
@sharp saddle They still had 3 years to optimize the game and fix memory leakage and other problems.

sharp saddle
#

Probably because HTC is dying in the VR space.

leaden finch
#

VRC team should make a donation site on webpage and make it work like patreon. And you log in with your vrc account. The 100 slots n shit they want us to pay for people get for free. Bc then the "donations" ca count as such

sacred crest
#

how do i get it on beta

fierce briar
#

Ima give yall what i posted in Virtual Pantheon:

I 100% support it. Coming from the perspective of someone who was a community manager for a f2p game, this is a huge direction change for VRC. While I dont speak for VRC, there are a few things I can confidently say.

-Money from players rather than investors means community driven updates.

-The income goes from a budget to a monthly income, which is much easier to maintain. This means bringing talented programmers onto the team.

-A few months from now, the power will transfer from investors to players. This means those with "plus" will have a higher input.

-The funds can go in 2 directions, small quality of life updates, or a massive update down the road. In my experience itll likely be a mixture of both.

-What I expect:
1.optimizations you see in many basic clients
2.stronger networking
3.higher client and server security.

We will have a much better idea a few months after the update, but again from experience this is a good hit. If you log onto VRC daily I strongly support considering VRC-Plus. VP wont be the collective that plays a game daily and not support it.

TL:DR VRC-Plus may not currently be worth the investment, but in the large scope this is an absolute good hit for the game, and communities alike.

Your welcome to your own opinion, but if an arguement is had let it be constructive.

mild cradle
#

Look. They dont have to even say much. Or discuss the nitty gritty. Just something other than silence to say "hey, we hear you and we will listen" anything at all to even suggest they care about the player base in general.
We aren't here to just spew hate. We are here to talk about vrc and voice concerns.
@tacit sapphire Exactly but they will never hear us out.

honest flume
#

@ocean arch Honestly this is prolly to make up for the lack of investment from HTC because HTC pulled out of the consumer market. They made that official last month.

ivory axle
#

I just hope they fix the necessities like security and connections before taking peoples money

dark hawk
#

Oh well, let the game die. If no one is interested in it

frail zephyr
#

make donations please vrc dev team

mild cradle
#

I just want the game to fix it's shit. That's all. Like slow down the new feature train and focus on what you have.

vocal shard
#

I seek medical attention. And the entrance to Mata Nui

coarse rock
#

eh

honest flume
#

@ivory axle If what it says in the announcement is true, you will now have to pay for security.

ocean arch
leaden finch
#

@tacit sapphire tru

ivory axle
#

@honest flume I stg

ripe galleon
#

lemon gets banned, and I don't get my funky fish emoji

south oyster
#

pizzadeliveryshockedface . gif

dark hawk
#

Can't wait for the 32 year old in fullbody to tell us he's better because he lives alone and spends money on this game

mild cradle
#

Can't wait for the 32 year old in fullbody to tell us he's better because he lives alone and spends money on this game
@dark hawk So true.

dark hawk
#

People spend $100s on shitty copy paste avatars so I am not surprised by this

ivory axle
#

@dark hawk I have FBT and live alone ;3;

vocal shard
#

RatATle me BOnES

mild cradle
#

It's just one more thing to separate the community more.

upbeat dove
#

@honest glacier Thanks man, you too. Have a great evening.

restive turtle
#

@fierce briar While I see your point, I also see several downsides. I'm worried because this new payment system could very easily decline into features coming about that require the subscription that are walled off from regular members. The avatar favorites, for example. Mod creators have been able to create infinitely long lists of favorites for quite a while, and it's hard to understand why the dev's, with access to much larger hardware, couldn't make the list substantially larger for everyone for free. Limiting it so much makes all the amazing avatars I find harder to use because of the small number of slots I have to save them. I'm also upset over the boost in trust. One of the mods responded to a comment I made about the trust saying it was only a little boost, and just something that can be used to help visitors upload faster. That's incredibly dumb. 1: Who's is going to pay $10 a month right after downloading a free game with zero knowledge on avatar or world creation? 2: Even if they did understand or were taught, a large percentage don't have any sort of emotional investment in the game and I feel they'll sway towards making crashers or other bullshit just because they want a laugh. If you're logging on daily, wouldn't that not matter?

It doesn't offer enough to warrant the price.

knotty light
#

I'd be fine with VRChat Plus if they said even a single word about "hiring a new dev" or "improving the code", but they didn't. All they are talking about is monetization for creators. Which is a good thing... but it doesn't fix any of the core issues with the game. They need to rebuild their mess from the ground up before asking people to pay a subscription.

dark hawk
#

You guys remember when they took out the legendary rank to prevent division?

lament siren
#

I wasn’t spamming omg the bot warned me for mentioning it was expens!ve

ivory axle
#

@sudden agate ha no thanks

north willow
#

This kind of discorse is evidence that there is no community here

cosmic sable
honest flume
#

@ocean arch I agree, and like I've been saying, give a donation option that doesn't lead to monetization and put all this crap they are placing behind a pay wall in the game.

lament siren
#

I’d gladly pay like a one-time thing to support vrchats improvement

vocal shard
#

me

dark hawk
#

There's no community in VRchat anymore, it's all clicks and small groups

restive turtle
#

^^^

frigid magnet
#

🐟

ivory axle
#

And little weird gang with teenage kids who think they're hard

knotty light
#

I'll consider supporting them when my world host mic doesn't go Errrrrbababababaababa

fiery lichen
dark hawk
#

You can't go into a public world for more than 10 minutes without being crashed

ripe galleon
#

🐟

mild cradle
#

Only been apart of vrc for 2 months. Met many great people. But its been clear that the devs don't care about the community in the end.
@tacit sapphire The devs all have their own circle and drama. I would not recommend trying to associate yourself with them at this point. They NEED to make an announcement or a statement of some kind. All of our concerns are falling on deaf ears.

frigid magnet
#

Funky fish

burnt fiber
#

I like turtles.

river mica
#

1

fiery lichen
#

There are still some nice people around that aren’t group exclusive

potent fern
#

so is this the place where we write our feedback? cant comment on the YT video

honest glacier
#

be nice to people on the internet 🙂 help improve the sense of community

ripe galleon
#

funky fish

dark hawk
#

@fiery lichen I appreciate your correction furry

strange sinew
#

yea i meet tons of new ppl every day lol

valid owl
#

burb This is a test to see if birb will fly to the top of this chat

mild cradle
#

so is this the place where we write our feedback? cant comment on the YT video
@potent fern Yeah they love suppressing our opinions. Oh and ignoring them too.

lament siren
#

This game is buggy as shit and they wanna start monetizing it now LOL

sacred crest
#

crashing in public worlds tends to be the computer's fault than the server imo, since i see people in the same world not having any issues

fiery lichen
dark hawk
#

Monotize User Created Content

lament siren
#

literally at least once a day I am saying “oh yeah, it’s a new bug, leave and rejoin the instance”

mild cradle
#

Why didn't they fix the buggy shit, the server issues, the memory leaks, etc when they had millions of dollars?

ivory axle
#

This

ripe galleon
#

🐟 funky fish please, I require funky fish emoji

fair hill
frigid magnet
#

Can I get some funky fish in this chat 🐟

lament siren
#

vrchat devs: no we will not fix any real bugs. anyways new update! discord rich presence :)

restive turtle
#

Lol

dark hawk
#

Well when someone can load into an avatar and crash the lobby or invite desync accounts to crash it. You would think they would focus on issues like that. Instead of adding a neat little icon

zinc gorge
#

same

fiery lichen
restive turtle
#

I just want station animations to function with 3.0 avatars. That's all I ask.

potent fern
#

You cant say the L word man!

mild cradle
#

Voice issues, people being stuck in seats, crashing, ect. Plenty of things going on that need addressed and fixed yet nothing. Just gets worse
@tacit sapphire Yeah and why is it that when a host starts a world their voice chat is bugged. That's always been a problem.

knotty light
#

VRChat is bare essential function slathered in copious amounts of form.

dark hawk
#

They still haven't fixed the host voice bug, but hey. Let's give them some money

frigid magnet
#

Always Funky fish 🐟 never lemon

lament siren
#

I just want to become host and not have like 5000 bugs pls

mild cradle
#

They still haven't fixed the host voice bug, but hey. Let's give them some money
@dark hawk Honestly.

ripe galleon
#

🐟 funky fish, best fish, sev's right

fiery lichen
frigid magnet
#

🐟 Let's hear it for funky fish

mild cradle
#

Each time they make an update adding new fucking features it breaks so many peoples worlds. Take the MMD dance world for example.

ripe galleon
#

you guys know what eats bugs? 🐟 funky fish

dark hawk
#

If the servers cost millions to run. Why is there even a need for hosts?

vocal shard
#

🤸‍♂️ 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️
🦽 🏌️‍♂️

leaden finch
#

Im gonna lay in bed and read all this till i fall asleep. We are winning. Bc vrc is gonna lose about 50% of playerbase atleast if it gets implemented

honest glacier
#

please continue developing the game devs, especially bugfixing 🙂 thank you for all the good memories

fiery lichen
vocal shard
#

Wait that worked?

dark hawk
#

Bugfixing? That's a joke, the VRC team relies HEAVILY on the community to fix their bugs

fiery lichen
#

I imagine they get tagged a lot. It’s likely to prevent overspamming

fierce briar
vocal shard
#

lmao modded clients

leaden finch
#

@vocal shard If they delete gaypride flag they could be seen as they dont like them lul

mild cradle
#

please continue developing the game devs, especially bugfixing 🙂 thank you for all the good memories
@honest glacier I agree with this. However, the bugfixing needs to happen. There's no if and buts. Bugs are the most important thing to rule out before you add new features for every developer. So far the amount of bugs are uncountable.

ripe galleon
#

🐟 I give you all funky fish before I go

honest flume
#

I've been a part of this community since November of 2017... I have 12,300 hrs in this game. 600+ friends in here.. Why would they do something that could, quite literally, end all of it. I'm scared and angry. But in true vrchat fashion, noone will listen to us. Thiss is really bad imo... really bad.

fiery lichen
#

Also when did the slow mode timer increase to 30 seconds? It was 5 sec a couple of hours ago

ocean arch
vocal shard
#

Ah, that makes sense

sacred crest
#

But I'm not going to lie.. developers have worked on new features for vrc+ and all they're getting is criticism about how they're doing things wrong. For a free game, I appreciate how they spent their effort into even changing anything.

leaden finch
#

@mild cradle Fixes a hard bug YAY Creates 10 more bugs

honest glacier
#

they're deleting emojis without any context or substance, which, honestly, seems like decent moderation

dark hawk
#

JustASimpleDot loves to find the bugs in this game

frigid magnet
#

I must post this last funky fish 🐟 good night and stay funky

knotty light
#

I just want an option to pay for bug fixes. Not badges.

ocean arch
#

I have purples hidden. You're just speeding up to a rank I have hidden by default

mild cradle
#

I've been a part of this community since November of 2017... I have 12,300 hrs in this game. 600+ friends in here.. Why would they do something that could, quite literally, end all of it. I'm scared and angry. But in true vrchat fashion, noone will listen to us. Thiss is really bad imo... really bad.
@honest flume Been here since they released it on steam. I have well ALOT of hours. It pisses me off they made absolutely no fixes.

vocal shard
#

I have purples hidden. You're just speeding up to a rank I have hidden by default
@ocean arch Known users be like...

honest glacier
#

paying for bug fixes, egads, what a plan 😄

leaden finch
#

@sacred crest its not about the features. Its about its getting hidden behind a expensive paywall

ivory axle
#

Let's be honest no one asked for this, everyones asking for general bug fixes

ocean arch
#

Honestly there's not many known users as trusted, so I don't mind them shown lol

honest flume
#

@mild cradle Agreed!

dark hawk
#

I wanted the host bug fixed, I don't want to be crashed in a public lobby by desync accounts. You know, the simple things

frail zephyr
#

just at ron and tell them not to hide from there feedback

mild cradle
#

Let's be honest no one asked for this, everyones asking for general bug fixes
@ivory axle That's all we want. Fix the bugs and memory leaks.

fiery lichen
#

Wow, that’s intense

You must hang around some pretty shitty worlds/communities if you’re being that cautious

silent trout
#

hi bent i just noticed you were mentioned over here

frosty veldt
#

Cant fix the bugs if youre bankrupt

knotty light
#

It's a free game right? Can't complain unless I pay a bit of money. So if I pay it'll be for bug fixes, not badges.

novel venture
#

They just got rid of a grape from the chat

ocean arch
restive turtle
#

I've been a part of this community since November of 2017... I have 12,300 hrs in this game. 600+ friends in here.. Why would they do something that could, quite literally, end all of it. I'm scared and angry. But in true vrchat fashion, noone will listen to us. Thiss is really bad imo... really bad.
@honest flume
Right there with you. While I don't have as many hours, ~1400, I still feel the exact same way.

frail zephyr
#

try a steak

ivory axle
#

@silent trout hihi

mild cradle
#

No-one:
The devs: 👀 searching for spam and ignoring chat.

silent trout
#

@ivory axle @tacit sapphire hihi ♡

fiery lichen
strange sinew
#

who is ready for the padoru infasion

honest flume
#

@restive turtle Yep. If they don't listen this time it will most likely be the end of vrchat.

restive turtle
#

I'm guessing the bot is the one doing the most of the removing. It'd be hard to believe that with all the discussion going on, not a single member of staff is communicating.

fiery lichen
#

Yikes

vocal shard
#

How about we just delete vrchat and be happy

dark hawk
#

@fiery lichen you must not go to a lot of public lobbies

potent fern
#

oh man, I have already been spamming my Padoru since last week, Im ready!

leaden finch
#

@honest flume 13k hrs. I feel u man. Its sad day today..

frail zephyr
#

crashers are a thing

mild cradle
#

What I don't like is that trust is honestly a good way to weed out crashers and shit and if someone just pays to be a higher rank faster people wont have them hidden and they could easily crash people through higher ranks.

silent trout
#

Oh fuck yeah, its fantastic. Who needs sleep when the entire server is rioting @tacit sapphire

buoyant apex
#

Woo, more fav avatars! Finally.

sacred crest
#

It's not like they're saying that money that gets collected through vrc+ will not be going into bug fixes. They might need a little boost in money to fix any kinds of bug, since there's lack of support.

honest flume
#

@leaden finch We aren't without options if everything goes south. Lets just HOPE that they listen

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle pay money to get banned, 10/10 logic
@sudden agate You act like they are dealing with crashers.

strange sinew
#

its not like there saying you need+ to go to the black cat

restive turtle
#

@restive turtle Yep. If they don't listen this time it will most likely be the end of vrchat.
@honest flume I might consider that a bit of an overexaggeration, however, I'm willing to guess a significant amount of people will be upset, and possibly find alternatives, providing a net loss to the community.

vocal shard
#

tell a guy named jesse that there is a girl that loves him she is following me around if he is trying to avoid her

honest glacier
#

let's hope they listen indeed, but give them a wee bit of time to formulate a response

leaden finch
#

What I don't like is that trust is honestly a good way to weed out crashers and shit and if someone just pays to be a higher rank faster people wont have them hidden and they could easily crash people through higher ranks.
@mild cradle Problem today is that theres not really many of the avatar crashers left. Now its a newe client whichs attacks the Peer to Peer connections and by that crashes the world

frail zephyr
#

they can use mod menus to do there dirty work mod menus will always be a thing because they are putting that 10 mil to good use

dark hawk
#

I just want to be able to sit in front of a mirror in my naked avatar in peace 😩

restive turtle
#

@idle root Was banned.

vocal shard
fiery lichen
# dark hawk <@165571304701820929> you must not go to a lot of public lobbies

Sorta?
I used to hang around them a lot more but even then I don’t have people hidden if they’re not my friend

Shaders / audio off maybe, depending on safety settings. If someone’s projecting global 2D audio then I report them, not that I have a massive amount of faith in the moderation team but at least I try

leaden finch
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@honest flume I hope they listen. But if not. I jump to Neos or CVR

soft timber
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oh gosh, paying for avatar slots... something’s going to go wrong here

mild cradle
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@mild cradle Problem today is that theres not really many of the avatar crashers left. Now its a newe client whichs attacks the Peer to Peer connections and by that crashes the world
@leaden finch And thats some scary ass shit. I knew someone who could absolutely crash everyone in the world. It's disgusting like ugh. VRChat...come on.

sacred crest
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they haven't addressed it maybe because they don't know how much support of money they will be getting. If there's lack of support, they most likely would not be able to fix anything.

frail zephyr
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yea cvr for me if they don't look at what the people want

vocal shard
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I'm getting sick of seeing people in creative mode and click crashing people with world items now that would be an epic fix

dark hawk
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They haven't addressed it because they don't know how. They are waiting on someone from the community to do it for free

knotty light
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I miss Playstation Home.

honest flume
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@restive turtle It prolly is exaggerated, with that being said I already have heard from a good number of people that I talk to that they are seeking other options and not putting up with the lack of consideration for the community and the lack of promised fixes.

mild cradle
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@mild cradle sorry, did read your message wrong, I thought you wrote I was dealing
@sudden agate Nah it's all good. You are doing a decent job to protect yourself. I am trying that too ESPECIALLY since they are adding the boost trust bullshit. VRChat on the other hand still does an awful job at handling crashers and reports on users in general.

restive turtle
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@dark hawk That's false. There have been plenty of mod creators who have fixed their game for free, and the dev's response was to make that a bannable offense, preventing people from using them.

iron thunder
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isnt this all a bit melodramatic lol

leaden finch
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@mild cradle Its poor programming. Amazon servers has some of the best security. But vrc has set it up badly so what is actually good protection is performing shitty. Also a bad coded game n shit so

vocal shard
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crashing is fun
@vocal shard too fun lmao

dark hawk
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@dark hawk That's false. There have been plenty of mod creators who have fixed their game for free, and the dev's response was to make them a bannable offense, preventing people from using them.
@restive turtle that's my point.

mild cradle
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@dark hawk That's false. There have been plenty of mod creators who have fixed their game for free, and the dev's response was to make them a bannable offense, preventing people from using them.
@restive turtle This is very true. There are mods that have anti crash and its bannable.

frosty veldt
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@iron thunder This happens every update lmao

honest glacier
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It is, but that's okay, 's just people venting

leaden finch
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@tacit sapphire Same

dark hawk
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I'm not going to say I use a client, but most people do 🥺

upbeat dove
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Just ignore both sides. People raging and the ones raging at the ragers, ignore them both.

honest glacier
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a bunch of somewhat weird and probably cool people who enjoy a game 🙂

vocal shard
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way way to much fun
@waxen harness Lmao crashing pedos is my fav

mild cradle
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Just ignore both sides. People raging and the ones raging at the ragers, ignore them both.
@upbeat dove Like they always ignore their community. They never listen to people who voice their concerns.

north willow
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Cringe

leaden finch
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70% of userbase are using a non malicious client.

dark hawk
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Let's go into Vanilla Nekos Daycare world guys 🥰

restive turtle
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@restive turtle It prolly is exaggerated, with that being said I already have heard from a good number of people that I talk to that they are seeking other options and not putting up with the lack of consideration for the community and the lack of promised fixes.
@honest flume I've searched for other options already, but I've never really found a viable replacement that isn't confusing or clunky to use. I'm really close to taking the plunge into something else, though.

upbeat dove
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@mild cradle Nah.

mild cradle
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@mild cradle devs cannot control what code is being injected into the game, they cannot check if it is malicious or not, it is expected that everything will be banned, not blaming them for that but they should implement proper security instead so we won't need mods
@sudden agate I agree. Modders shouldn't have to fix their game for them. They should be able to have an anti crash of sorts.

vocal shard
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I'm waiting for the day vrchat is just gone off steam lmao

leaden finch
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@sudden agate they have proper security. Amazon server have cutting edge safety. But they have set it up poorly so that security is a hair in a drain

restive turtle
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@tacit sapphire Can you provide a link?

honest glacier
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wait what, vrc is peer-to-peer????

mild cradle
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@restive turtle look into cvr. Its in open alpha currently and runs smooth
@tacit sapphire 300 fps compared to vrchats 70-

restive turtle
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@mild cradle Ohohoho-

leaden finch
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@leaden finch it's not about hosting, vrc runs peer-to-peer, whatever one client says - every other client will trust it without validation
@sudden agate true enough true enough. Is why peer to peer crashers can do it.

frail zephyr
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10 mil on amazon servers

restive turtle
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Sure

mild cradle
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Quit dick riding vrc+ and the dev team. It's a shit idea and your opinion is fucking garbage, have a great day people!
@inner gazelle This is the most based man I have ever met dude.

real loom
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@mild cradle because nobody plays lol

honest glacier
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not very helpf- HEARTBROKEN???

leaden finch
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Hide IP? Lol that protection hides nothing. I have a friend whos new to whitehat hacks. He could see my IP in the game without having to do much vrcLaughing

dark hawk
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Quit dick riding vrc+ and the dev team. It's a shit idea and your opinion is fucking garbage, have a great day people!
@inner gazelle I salute you, no more lies from the dev team

frail zephyr
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you know they ban whitehats right?

leaden finch
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I do. And its dumb they do that. Bc whitehats could be good for them. Hire them to set up proper securiry and test them. Ofc blackhats insta hardware bans

mild cradle
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you know they ban whitehats right?
@frail zephyr It doesn't change the fact that they exist and banning someone doesn't mean that they haven't done the offense yet.

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It's all about Security and bug fixes. And please for the love of god don't monetize your trust system.

leaden finch
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It's all about Security and bug fixes. And please for the love of god don't monetize your trust system.
@mild cradle HEARD!

queen cape
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Sorry, do I just @ the vrc team to ask them about something?

mild cradle
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Pffft i was warned. Lmfao. Good shit. Even went out of my way not to post the link here. Good shit mods
@tacit sapphire They be big whiny babies cuz they kno chillout finna be havin a LOT more people than them.

honest flume
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Yeah, just pay $10 a month and you'll get your security.

leaden finch
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@waxen harness 10 pr month. Stop paying lose rank

upbeat dove
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I think there's a support channel for asking for help with things, otherwise I would use the ticket system. They responded to me within about 48 hours when I had an issue with something.

waxen harness
mild cradle
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They just never listened to the community. People just want to be heard.

frail zephyr
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yep

leaden finch
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Its sad imo

queen cape
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Thanks ^^

upbeat dove
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np! Best of luck!

fair axle
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is it going to be like 99$ a year just to upload like 3 avatars?

dark hawk
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They don't care about the community. They make fun of the community because they know who they are

leaden finch
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@fair axle 99 a yr for 100 fav slots. A little badge and a shader. Thats basically it

mild cradle
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They don't care about the community. They make fun of the community because they know who they are
@dark hawk They were enjoyin life with their millions and now that they are runnin out and gonna have debt they are desperate.

honest flume
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If you don't bring in money, you don't get heard. That's why they always put the focus of changes to the game based around the free advertising that is the streamers.

waxen harness
mild cradle
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I'm a streamer and so is my brother bruh. They don't give af.

fair axle
upbeat dove
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It won't.

leaden finch
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@honest flume U mean the thottys they would like to invite to headquaters for one night?

cerulean sonnet
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I met my wife on VRChat and even I won't pay for +

dark hawk
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I can't wait for the avatar list to be updated to 100 and then more than half won't show up because the menu will be bugged

waxen harness
frail zephyr
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thats what you think @upbeat dove

upbeat dove
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That's what beta testing is for.

quartz grotto
fair axle
vast yoke
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Genuinely I would pay for a one-time purchase to support the developers, but I'm not going to go so far as to pay $100 a year

mild cradle
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@fair axle 99 a yr for 100 fav slots. A little badge and a shader. Thats basically it
@leaden finch Oh and a cheat your way to a trusted rank that people spent thousands of hours of playing and uploading and being an active member to get.

leaden finch
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@upbeat dove Testing ahhahaha. Since when.

hidden cloud
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Oh boy

soft timber
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if they put a limit to uploading avatars then... what now

quartz grotto
upbeat dove
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VRChat isn't Activision or EA lol.

dark hawk
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@vast yoke I agree with that, a one time support is fair. But not a damn subscription service

hidden cloud
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I can already hear the vrc+ scams and hack clickbaits in the distance

waxen harness
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I'm going to have to pay to join a private world soon 😢

vast yoke
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The things that are being addressed by the team are largely cosmetic features, making the game more flashy versus genuine bug fixes/overall improvements
More favorite slots is nice but they could just have done that anyway

fair axle
distant lintel
leaden finch
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@leaden finch Oh and a cheat your way to a trusted rank that people spent thousands of hours of playing and uploading and being an active member to get.
@mild cradle Oh yeeeearh! Basically shittin on everyone who was a part of this game for months/yrs!

upbeat dove
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Sure can. But I'll count my chickens when they hatch rather than be cynical.

frail zephyr
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dont give them ideas @waxen harness

honest flume
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@mild cradle I meant the Lolathons and the ROFLGators... the ones that bring in hundreds of viewers and players. I mean that with no ill intent. I prefer and support more the small streamers because they tend to be more personable and interactive with their communities.

outer hound
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Also a good question
when you buy vrc+ and favorite over 25 avatars, what happens to the avatars that were over the 25 limit for non paying users 🤔 that is after you unsubscribe or whatever

waxen harness
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@frail zephyr im sorry let's pretend I never said that

analog schooner
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Personally, I'm worried what more they'll decide to monetize.

leaden finch
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VRChat isn't Activision or EA lol.
@upbeat dove Even blizzard tests better than this

upbeat dove
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VRChat isn't Blizzard lmao

mild cradle
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3 years in development. Nowhere being close to completion for a SOCIAL game. it's a buggy mess. They don't listen to the community. But hey, they are offering icons for money now.

distant lintel
#

Hey at least this isn't digital extremes with warframe

stable trellis
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^

dark hawk
restive turtle
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@cloud sluice Stop copypasting.

humble gyro
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they could literally do the same thing with a patreon based system

mild cradle
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I just can't see why it couldn't have been a patreon-

finite sedge
leaden finch
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3 years in development. Nowhere being close to completion for a SOCIAL game. it's a buggy mess. They don't listen to the community. But hey, they are offering icons for money now.
@mild cradle True.

dark hawk
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Let's all go to Rec Room guys

mild cradle
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Rec Room claps

cloud sluice
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Having users pay is a lot better than monetization with ads or selling user information...

If you want to pay using your own personal information, there's this VR SNS by a company starting with Face and ending with Book...

waxen harness
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Rec room doesn't have pretty anime girls tho

dark hawk
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People still sit in front of mirrors in there though lol

leaden finch
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@waxen harness ill be ur anime waifu kappa

upbeat dove
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I'm not going anywhere and neither is VRChat lol.

waxen harness
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Fuck it, we can play dodgeball together in Rec Room

honest glacier
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YOU clap, you super-cool people

vast yoke
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I appreciate what VRC has been for me but for quite some time now the vast majority of the content updates have been skirting around genuine issues that need to be addressed, or fixing one problem and making more in the process
I understand that game development isn't easy but for a social platform like VRChat it's important to be a little more in touch with the community

mild cradle
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They deleted my message lightning quick bruh.

waxen harness
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Hi devs that are reading this chat, u guys smell good

robust juniper
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I'd just like to point out that playing other VR social stuff isn't like you're cheating on VRChat

crimson ether
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i dont want this game to kill itself but nothing we can do

upbeat dove
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See, the mods DO care. ❤️

humble gyro
mild cradle
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For a SOCIAL game, they really should be BEING SOCIAL AND HEARING out their COMMUNITY.

leaden finch
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@mild cradle Oml i think u hit a sus list

robust juniper
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You can play something else without feeling like you've betrayed the trust of the mods

waxen harness
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I will never forget you @mild cradle since ur on the sus list now

dark hawk
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Mentioning another game is not advertising lol

hidden cloud
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I wonder whats the price for the premium

humble gyro
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the entire idea is that its cosmetics yet they paint it as supporting the game

cloud sluice
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I.. already mentioned a patreon based system, it even gives people an option to support more if they wanted to, or less if they cant
@humble gyro Maybe they didn't want to/could to for whatever reason. They wanted to offer at least something back?

I don't really care, as long as they'll take my money in some form. This is a way to become somewhat free from investor money and investor interests.

rocky mesa
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9.99usd a month or 99.99usd a year @hidden cloud

leaden finch
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@hidden cloud 10 pr month

hidden cloud
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oh my

mild cradle
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Keep in mind, this is a cosmetics only only payment system, it is not for anything ESSENTIAL or NECCEESSARY to play. In it's current state no-one is harmed by this and everyone benefits from it.
@last kernel It's also boosting a TRUST system which is a SAFETY feature. And it shows how you spent a long time on vrchat and have been extremely active.

stable trellis
humble gyro
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when everyone can get it and people can get the chance to pay more

upbeat dove
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@stable trellis Yeah I'm gonna go get some dinner actually, you right.

dark hawk
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$100 VRC DLC, just download a client

crimson ether
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if it was a one time payment maybe it wouldn't have been as ill received

robust juniper
waxen harness
stable trellis
regal merlin
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surprised it hasnt yet

cloud sluice
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one time payment: just pay once, and then stop vrc+
patreon would be the same!

robust juniper
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You say that like people don't pay for cancer shaders

mild cradle
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Okay if you paying for VRC then all uses can likely trust a bit more since they are less likely to be a troll or such.
@last kernel Just because someone pays money doesnt mean they wont be a cunt.

potent fern
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I think they figured if they ask for one time payment they would not be able to ask for more later and they expect they will need more.

upbeat dove
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Have fun guys, try not to freak out too much. It's bad for your health. I'm out.

cloud sluice
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@last kernel Just because someone pays money doesnt mean they wont be a cunt.
@mild cradle There's plenty of trusted users around that are cunts

humble gyro
mild cradle
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@mild cradle There's plenty of trusted users around that are cunts
@cloud sluice Valid.

leaden finch
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I think they figured if they ask for one time payment they would not be able to ask for more later and they expect they will need more.
@potent fern Then thwy should advertise for the game to get more in then

robust juniper
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Pretty sure there'd be less backlash if they offered nothing and straight up asked for money at this point

hidden cloud
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so were gonna pay 60$s for vrc+ per year now are we?

cloud relic
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Nice update. Looks already ugly.. and i will nevwr support vrc unless they get EU servers..

humble gyro
mild cradle
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No refresh button on the social menu

cloud sluice
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Well that's my point, it's not like the community isn't willing to pay, it's just hiding cosmetics behind it is silly and pointless, they could have allowed payment without having to add gimmicks behind it, because there are people like you who are willing to pay and maybe others that are willing to pay more, you know?
@humble gyro Wel, with the current reaction, they might soon think the community isn't willing to pay.

The reaction in the .jp community is wildly different, btw...

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They got it immediately... this is a way to support the game and keep the big bad F B away...

regal merlin
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I would gladly give the money, if it didn't encourage hiding features behind a subscription xD

arctic salmon
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VR going the route of death :v

humble gyro
real tide
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Cosmetics in a social game is a considerable amount of the game. A bunch of people Justifying this stuff by shouting "It's just cosmetic!" is how the game industry has been able to get away with excessive monetization and microtransactions.

vast yoke
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I think the problem is less that they want to have a feature like this, and more the way it's being executed
It's perfectly understandable to want funding to continue to work on your game, but as it stands there are plenty of other things in the game that need addressing before they focus on cosmetic updates; not to mention that $100 a year for what is essentially bragging rights is not quite worth the price. As I said I would honestly pay for a one time purchase if it meant supporting the developers in working on things that need addressing

real tide
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This will only go well if they are straight-forward and smart about how they proceed, and I can't say I have much faith.

mild cradle
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Of course the community is willing to pay. But you have never once addressed anything. You don't listen to the community you want money from. You havent done a good job BY ANY MEANS in terms of coding and dev work. If you want support you had time AND MONEY for YEARS to do so.

cloud sluice
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thats because the approach was absolutely shit, and people are giving backlash, and rightfully so.

If they had the features given to everyone and just implemented a donation system, none of this would happen.

though i cant say i know how the jp side of vrc is reacting
@humble gyro I think everyone is overreacting, lol

The .jp side is just happy to be able to support it.

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imagine having to pay for image slots in facebook, thats what this is
@worthy mango Imagine having to pay with your own personal information to play VRChat, and having to use your real name

humble gyro
arctic salmon
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like $ 100 I buy more than 100 avatars and that's it

robust juniper
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From what I've gathered, the general opinion is that the effort and resources could've been spent on more pressing issues

humble gyro
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like just open a donation system, people are willing to support, just dont hide features behind the whole money thing, its stupid

mild cradle
#

From what I've gathered, the general opinion is that the effort and resources could've been spent on more pressing issues
@robust juniper I think everyone can agree they didn't focus on the important shit when they had the resources to do so.

cloud sluice
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I'm mostly meming on it because its funny, but my point stands, the whole subscription thing is really silly and putting cosmetics behind it is worse. it doesn't make sense and would only invite backlash
@humble gyro Maybe if people weren't such entitled kids, they could handle it like adults

robust juniper
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Wanting a game to not run terribly isn't entitlement, it's an expectation

frosty veldt
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Isnt the only cosmetic just a badge? You could make your own on your avatars if you wanted to

cloud sluice
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@robust juniper I think everyone can agree they didn't focus on the important shit when they had the resources to do so.
@mild cradle This is true, it's still buggy as hell. But that's neither here nor there. I just hope this means they will have resources to get around to fix more shit...

hushed hound
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Raising legitimate concerns isn't acting entitled lol.

humble gyro
#

aw yeah i love skyrim, when are we rimming the sky?

mild cradle
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@humble gyro Maybe if people weren't such entitled kids, they could handle it like adults
@cloud sluice Exactly. It's not much to ask to not have the game horribly optimized. It's an expectation when you have such a large dev team. And YEARS of dev work.

devout berry
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Lootboxes when? XDDDD 🤣

cloud sluice
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@cloud sluice Exactly. It's not much to ask to not have the game horribly optimized. It's an expectation when you have such a large dev team. And YEARS of dev work.
Yes. But that's not the issue at hand imo.

I'm going to put my money in it hoping they might actually get around to fixing stuff.

humble gyro
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I totally understand wanting money for resources, but the way they're getting the money is really silly

light saddle
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Vrchat plus is that shit worth?

waxen harness
arctic salmon
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with $100 I can buy more than 100 avatars and there are more

mild cradle
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Just make a patreon and don't divide the community ya scallywags.

humble gyro
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like at this point its more worth getting a client and i hate the idea of using one personally

dark hawk
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You guys remember when they took out the Legendary Rank to prevent division?

hushed hound
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lol

austere hare
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Guys I have a question, what is VRC+? I haven’t played for months

humble gyro
mild cradle
#

Gays I have a question, what is VRC+? I haven’t played for months
@austere hare Gays- I'm dead. Lmao.

regal merlin
vast tulip
humble gyro
#

go back to everyone being green aw yeah i love kiwis

waxen harness
#

I can't believe he just called us gays, I'm hurt bro

humble gyro
#

bro imagine getting warned for promoting the use of clients when... i dont use them

austere hare
#

I don’t really think VRC+ is all that bad

mild cradle
#

Imagine being a dev and unable to face reality.

dark hawk
#

I loaded into a world and I already saw someone that made a 'VRC+ Only' avatar

humble gyro
#

The approach was bad lol

cloud sluice
#

I mean, even as buggy and poorly optimized as it is right now, it does have value (why else did you stick around?)

waxen harness
mild cradle
#

I loaded into a world and I already saw someone that made a 'VRC+ Only' avatar
@dark hawk You're joking right? lmao.

austere hare
#

Wait there are VRC+ only avatars? That’s a bit cringe

humble gyro
coral ridge
#

?

cloud sluice
#

Just memes

worthy oracle
#

why is it that every update is more disappointing. never addressing what needs to be, this game is an unoptimized mess with plenty of issues and exploits and yet they hide features behind a paywall. it’s only for support, but it will just cause people to brag and whatnot likely. idk, I love vrchat but sometimes I really question these decisions. and like VRC+ also allows you to pay for trust which is pretty dumb

teal raft
#

bruh

dark hawk
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Its just the default bot avatar with the VRC+ Only graphic on it lol

waxen harness
#

Neko jebaiting us I hope

humble gyro
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It's all i'm saying man, donation based system, not subscription

uneven inlet
#

Is no one concerned of potential doxxing when attempting to pay for this service? What with the game getting DDoS'd every once in a while I am a bit concerned about this.

mighty dew
#

you guys do know that optimization updates and major overhauls are still in development right

slow axle
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the only issue i really have with it is the nameplates people were already doing custom nameplates a while ago then they made them unusable

cloud sluice
#

I wouldn't brag about it. I'd probably hide it, like I somtimes hide my trusted rank. At least if it's possible to

mild cradle
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What's the point in charging for avatars if there are already a bunch of free ones that are dope af. Unless they do some bs like 3.0 being vrc+

regal merlin
#

it's not that bad(tho I personally would just prefer a patreon for supporting the devs, no features with it)

slow drift
chrome hinge
#

^^

worthy oracle
#

I would also just prefer a patreon tbh

mighty dew
#

there's a reason you get the 'Early Supporter' badge if you get VRC+ before most major upcoming changes

humble gyro
#

^^

mild cradle
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why is it that every update is more disappointing. never addressing what needs to be, this game is an unoptimized mess with plenty of issues and exploits and yet they hide features behind a paywall. it’s only for support, but it will just cause people to brag and whatnot likely. idk, I love vrchat but sometimes I really question these decisions. and like VRC+ also allows you to pay for trust which is pretty dumb
@worthy oracle It's sad that it went this way.

They aren't charging for avatars
@slow drift Didn't someone say there are VRChat+ only avatars?

humble gyro
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uohh i cant wait to show off my i paid for vrc badge

cloud sluice
#

@mild cradle Fake news

slow drift
waxen harness
#

That's legendary whoever made that

mild cradle
#

That was a meme
Someone made a custom avatar that looks like the default bot with "VRC+ Only" on its chest
@slow drift I hope so. Cuz that would piss me off even more.

cloud sluice
#

Let's also mention that we don't know how much trust this will give people yet.
Probably just about enough to bump users to New User, so they can upload.

austere hare
#

Ok I’m back to supporting VRC+ just because it’s supporting VRCHAT

mild cradle
#

Let's also mention that we don't know how much trust this will give people yet
@cloud sluice That's what worries me.

humble gyro
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You can support vrchat without making it subscription based just saying

worthy oracle
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well I’ll just say that the favorites and other features should just be available in general. they could have simply made a patreon if they wanted support lol

mighty dew
#

It's good that it gives you trust btw, it's like CSGO Prime- you pay money for the free game and that money makes you less likely to go out and commit bannable offenses

cloud sluice
#

@cloud sluice That's what worries me.
@mild cradle Probably just about enough to bump people to New User, so they can upload. Is my take. Anyway, no idea worrying about the unknown

vocal shard
#

this is honestly depressing

arctic salmon
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VRC+ hmm a bad idea bro

slow drift
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only part of VRC+ I'm kinda miffed on is custom nameplate icons not being for everyone
the rest is perfectly fine by me

south wing
#

They should probably fix all the fucking issues introduced in Build 1010 before they do this shit

regal merlin
jolly nimbus
#

the only depressing thing about it is people crying that vrchat got monetized, it literally had to happen eventually, they can't run servers and pay employees for free.

mighty dew
#

The fixes and updates are obviously still coming

mild cradle
#

They should probably fix all the fucking issues introduced in Build 1010 before they do this shit
@south wing Agreed. They haven't fixed ANY of the major bugs that have been showing up, some for almost a damn year.

humble gyro
#

My stance is basically:Shouldnt have to pay for features, fix bugs before adding features, donation based system i forgot what else

frosty veldt
glass hinge
jolly nimbus
#

10 million is nothing in gamedev

cloud sluice
#

@frosty veldt Sources! Nice! So about like what I thought

mild cradle
#

It is when it's a shit social game that had wasted time on useless features.

waxen harness
#

$10 mil and the spooky eboy crashers are still out there

cloud sluice
#

money from investors -> demands from investors.
I will gladly pay to help VRC not be 100% dependant on investors.

Did you also know that investors generally want their investments back?

regal merlin
#

"from investors", investors, invest, in order to make back more than they put in

worthy oracle
#

for good reason

slow drift
#

so basically, the only functional use of the trust boost is that it will instantly get new accounts to newuser so they can upload content

humble gyro
#

but what did the money go to?

waxen harness
#

A mansion

hardy cloak
#

I hope they do something about the clients users, i get crashed nearly everyday at least one time :/ Im not sure if i can support this right now.

vocal shard
#

you don't need a modded client to be crashed

mild cradle
#

They are just going to tell us stupid stuff like wages and servers. But not actual development and bug fixes.

vocal shard
#

use the json file to limit particles and you will prevent 99% of crashes

glass hinge
worthy oracle
#

ion like these changes and the direction tbh, I’ve been playing for 2 years and ik others have been longer but like this seems unnecessary and not great for the game. though I will wish the best for the game anyway

cloud sluice
#

I also hope all the bugs get fixed at some point. Sometimes they are a bit embarrasing... (but more people should be testing the open beta!).
However, that's neither here nor there.

south wing
#

People who buy it are gonna get absolutely gaslit lol.

humble gyro
#

me and the boys walking into vrchat mansion to ask for bug fixes

hardy cloak
#

Did that yesterday got crashed anyway

chrome marsh
#

They are just going to tell us stupid stuff like wages and servers. But not actual development and bug fixes.
@mild cradle stupid stuff? That's their livelyhood. And the game doesn't exist without servers.

cloud sluice
#

They get their investment backs from thousands of people buying of vr for vrchat
since it's vr companies investing
@glass hinge One of those VR companies being FaceBook, with which there is going to be a conflict of interest now that Horizon is going to be a thing.

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle stupid stuff? That's their livelyhood. And the game doesn't exist without servers.
@chrome marsh They are getting paid and they haven't improved some of the MAJOR problems VRChat has. It's stupid because they didn't put these funds to good USE at all.

lucid sierra
#

Have an issue in which despite where I have my viewpoint, my avatar is looking downwards. How do I fix it?

cloud sluice
#

@lucid sierra try one of the avatar help channels

lucid sierra
#

Okay well direct me to the SDK2 Help channel then

mild cradle
#

Nobody would want to play a buggy mess of a game by devs that dont make an effort to fix it.

worthy oracle
#

I think VRC+ is being made cause vrchat is in desperation since they lost investors lmao

boreal plaza
#

Lol this feels more like an insult. 10$ for basically nothing and still being full of bugs which get barely fixed. Base features not existing and now wanting money for offering even less than that? Surely not, this is just pure garbage. They are getting enough money from their sponsors but still fail to make proper improvements since YEARS.

cloud sluice
waxen harness
ocean arch
cloud sluice
#

@boreal plaza you don't have to pay if you feel insulted

glass hinge
cerulean raven
#

When I go to the grocery store, there's nothing for free, even if the entrance is free of charge. If I don't pay, the service is pretty bad also they won't listen to me on the choice of the wall painting too. Would be a lot better if the milk and breads were right at the entrance for fast pickup, but they won't take my critics on optimizations. Making me going to the back of the store, only for milk, is a pretty useless feature. What a crazy world we live in. 💁‍♂️

mild cradle
#

Lol this feels more like an insult. 10$ for basically nothing and still being full of bugs which get barely fixed. Base features not existing and now wanting money for offering even less than that? Surely not, this is just pure garbage. They are getting enough money from their sponsors but still fail to make proper improvements since YEARS.
@boreal plaza That's the argument I am making. Just fix the damn game.

ocean arch
#

Maybe they'll fix the game more if they had more money to pay their devs

cloud sluice
#

@glass hinge Yes, I'm aware. But such things are only going to go so far. I've personally worked in startups that ran out of funds, eventually. not fun

oblique ivy
#

No proper improvements but they added udon and 3.0 which were huge proper improvements

boreal plaza
#

You are right i wont do it. I just give my opinion about something i highly dislike @cloud sluice

mild cradle
#

It's been 3+ years.

cloud sluice
#

yeah, udon and 3.0 are pretty neat features. (still think they should put some more effort into old bugs, but... you can't have everything)

ocean arch
#

3 years of milestones and people are complaining about something that costs money. It's almost like people have to earn a living, right?

oblique ivy
#

Pretty neat? THey wer eliterally game changing!
They fixed a lot of problems whilst adding some themselves, but theyve been working consistently to fix them. I swear its like some of you dont even read the damn patches

cloud sluice
#

Everyone just wants something for free, I guess...

mild cradle
#

I think you should fix all the MAJOR bugs that pop up. Then add new things. Then fix the bugs from the new stuff. Then add more new stuff. Not just let's make new features and disregard the community and a BUNCH of obvious bugs that can be fixed.

ocean arch
#

Yeah well welcome to the real world where you have to pay for things

glass hinge
oblique ivy
#

I can hop into an Udon made world and marvel at how fucking well it runs and how good it is, I can emss with 3.0 models in a smoother more fleshed out and consistent ways than I ever have without dealing with bugs from the past.
They are a small team they cannot physically work on every bug you guys demand, like jesus

cloud sluice
#

How is it legally any different to now? They're already open for DMCA notices

quartz jetty
#

I'll put my few cents here.
I feel like this should've taken the donation route, going for a monthly subscription with "perks" sounds horrid for vrchat;
This may seem nitpicky but i distinctively recall any nameplate obstruction, even if not covering the username as being against their rules, coincidence? Maybe.
I feel like the current model, as implied by many others, could lead to legal disputes, given the fact this is in no way a donation model that would normally exempt them from certain legal actions (as far as i'm aware).
And users should in no way get any trust increase over spending money, that's not what the intent of the trust system's inception was, and it never should be, regardless of how little it increases.
Aside such i believe a donation based model should be implemented, there are alot of things that do need fixing and i hope they are eventually.

glass hinge
ocean arch
cloud sluice
#

There's already tons of user generated content without copyright issues as well, just saying...

boreal plaza
#

I paid enough to their investors^^ its just very lame that all kinds of features and fixes are missing or get broken which just some random people can create with mods. And they dont have millions of funds

frosty veldt
#

VRC wouldnt get a DMC, the individual who uploaded would

oblique ivy
#

Ah yes let us rely on the investors 24/7 all the time.

cloud sluice
#

I get the feeling most people here don't know how startup companies work...
They either manage to monetize, or get bought up by someone else.
I'd not like VRC getting bought up by someone else.

mild cradle
#

Again our genuine complaints fall on deaf ears. They are stubborn and probably already coded too much into this (and still didnt fix any bugs before and created new ones as well.) They won't not add it. It will hurt their pride.

chrome marsh
#

It's been 3+ years.
@mild cradle $10M over 3+ years is nothing. You clearly have no concept of what it costs to run a small tech company. They also have to keep the company running when that $10M runs out. Would you rather they have to start letting staff go and slowing development even more if they can't get more funding?

ocean arch
#

Better yet, people don't understand what "supporting" means

lucid sandal
#

What I want added to the game:

  1. Local colliders on players
  2. Hand tracking on Quest version
cloud sluice
#

What I want added to the game:

  1. Local colliders on players
  2. Hand tracking on Quest version
    @lucid sandal Write a post on the canny!
stable trellis
mild cradle
#

@mild cradle $10M over 3+ years is nothing. You clearly have no concept of what it costs to run a small tech company. They also have to keep the company running when that $10M runs out. Would you rather they have to start letting staff go and slowing development even more if they can't get more funding?
@chrome marsh I'm not even talking about the funding. I'm saying over the course of 3 years they havent coded well AT ALL!

oblique ivy
#

No your complaints are ridiculous is what's up.
I get complaining about bugs but jesus christ you guys act like they never touch bugs

ocean arch
#

^

waxen harness
#

The most important feature we all want is, better giggle physics duh

potent hatch
#

How's it going, everyone still running in circles?

boreal plaza
#

They barely do except we start a shitstorm here

oblique ivy
#

"Hey guys we fixed this bug!"
A week goes by
"OMG YOU GUYS NEVER FIX BUGGSSS REEEEE"
Absolutely appalling how you guys treat the devs when they've obviously been doing shit

mild cradle
#

yeah better bob physics. that'll make it better.

potent hatch
#

Yep circles

waxen harness
potent fern
robust juniper
#

To be fair they introduced the bugs vrcTrollThinking

oblique ivy
#

No shit, that's how development works

ocean arch
#

Welcome to bloody game development

stable trellis
#

people saying “just fix the game” have never worked in game dev especially not an online one with thousands of users

slow drift
#

the update 4 days ago actually had a bunch of stuff
scaling grey robots, stabilized first person VR camera, player-only camera, discord/steam rich presence

mild cradle
#

"Hey guys we fixed this bug!"
A week goes by
"OMG YOU GUYS NEVER FIX BUGGSSS REEEEE"
Absolutely appalling how you guys treat the devs when they've obviously been doing shit
@oblique ivy People wouldn't complain about it if I don't know. They actually fixed bugs that have been around for a long ass time.

potent hatch
#

in fact it's even worse

waxen harness
#

big power moves from the devs with better bob physics

robust juniper
#

I used the troll emoji for a reason guys

cloud sluice
#

"Hey guys we fixed this bug!"
A week goes by
"OMG YOU GUYS NEVER FIX BUGGSSS REEEEE"
Absolutely appalling how you guys treat the devs when they've obviously been doing shit
@oblique ivy Tbh there are some long standing bugs I'd see them get around to sooner rather than later, which is probably where some of the complaints are coming from.
But that's neither here nor there...
Now people are just complaining to complain...

lucid sandal
#

More interactivity 😉 and you have my sold on VRchat+

glass hinge
potent hatch
#

Yeah I shouldn't come back again

cloud sluice
#

More interactivity 😉 and you have my sold on VRchat+
@lucid sandal more interactive dynamic bones? :p

oblique ivy
#

I didn't see it I was glancing 😔
Obviously there are bugs they need to fix, and I Agree but y'all act like they never listen when they've been working their asses off with updates for years on a game thats been out since like 2015

chrome marsh
#

@chrome marsh I'm not even talking about the funding. I'm saying over the course of 3 years they havent coded well AT ALL!
@mild cradle go look at their canny and tell me that again. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about just saying they "haven't coded well". You've never been involved in an actual development lifecycle and clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

ocean arch
robust juniper
#

I remember seeing the 2015 version, I had a Rift DK1 at the time. Just a bunch of T-posed dudes

oblique ivy
#

The older version was so much buggier, people don't even realize it. It was just that it had like 100 people so no one noticed

ocean arch
#

Imagine if 3 years didn't develop anything. We would be t-posing still!

robust juniper
#

No avatars either, just this dude in a grey shirt t-posing

mild cradle
#

Imma head out. I know they still don't care about community feedback so imma chill. Also

@mild cradle go look at their canny and tell me that again. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about just saying they "haven't coded well". You've never been involved in an actual development lifecycle and clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
@chrome marsh I don't have to code to at least expect that they have a game that runs smoothly and actively fixes bugs. It's common for most games that have been around for 3 years. You my good sir confuse me.

turbid fjord
#

Glad to see VRC take a step forwards to get some actual funding. It's a good system, offering new features without limiting the ones already available and comfortable to users already in game. Like everything in life that takes time, it also takes money to maintain. And I have always been surprised they have not asked for funding sooner.

I am not personally interested in the name tags and trust systems. It just doesn't matter in a social game. But there's a huge difference between pay to be fancy, and pay for playability. And I am so glad they chose the first.

ocean arch
#

I'm just going to mention a game that contradicts that... Star Citizen. Look it up

oblique ivy
#

Saylonia, Bro you literally don't know what you're talking about.
Imagine having to change your game engine every year or so, its still unity but each unity iteration changes a lot and change fundamentally how code intearcts

worthy oracle
#

maybe give it another year and two and the game will be better hopefully

robust juniper
#

I have the perfect quote for this, it's from a page that criticises awful book covers:
If you insist that one must be able to do better in order to criticize legitimately, then you have publicly forfeited forever your right to express a negative opinion of:

a restaurant meal, unless you are a chef
an 18-wheeler’s driving, unless you have a CDL
an athlete’s performance, unless you are a professional athlete (and a game strategy, unless you are a professional coach)
a pop singer, unless you are a professional musician
a movie, unless you are a member of the DGA
an elected official, unless you hold public office…

ocean arch
lucid sandal
#

hand tracking on Quest and Quest 2 would be [b u e n o]. Would "double handedly" ; ) make it the better version

oblique ivy
#

No one is saying you cant criticize if you cant do b etter, but it's obvious people don't understand how this stuff works even slightly

cloud sluice
#

Honestly, Unity itself seems pretty buggy. I wonder how much VRC problems are actually problems with Unity...

mild cradle
#

I have the perfect quote for this, it's from a page that criticises awful book covers:
If you insist that one must be able to do better in order to criticize legitimately, then you have publicly forfeited forever your right to express a negative opinion of:

a restaurant meal, unless you are a chef
an 18-wheeler’s driving, unless you have a CDL
an athlete’s performance, unless you are a professional athlete (and a game strategy, unless you are a professional coach)
a pop singer, unless you are a professional musician
a movie, unless you are a member of the DGA
an elected official, unless you hold public office…
@robust juniper Yeah. It doesn't make sense.

atomic swallow
#

If it were 5 a month... ok. I already have a bunch of subscriptions.. all of them give me a bunch more content than a nameplate and some fave slots.

Just go compare this to any other 10 dollar subscription service and just laugh at how dumb it is.

ocean arch
#

I personally don't like Unity since I'm biased with Unreal Engine, but for what they pulled off, it's good enough

worthy oracle
cloud sluice
#

Of course you can criticize. But if you must criticize, also please provide your idea for how they could improve things.

oblique ivy
#

The only thing people say is "Fix bugs."
Damn bro, that's deep

ocean arch
mild cradle
#

Actively work on fixing bugs that the community points out instead of ignoring them.

Of course you can criticize. But if you must criticize, also please provide your idea for how they could improve things.
@cloud sluice

worthy oracle
#

Unity is actually quite buggy that is true. But they can’t switch, and it’s difficult upgrading the version they use. I will say, newer versions of unity seem to be far more optimized than the last each time

turbid fjord
#

Also, it may be good to keep in mind, with more funding comes more money to spend on people to help make the game work better.

robust juniper
#

What if they switched to unreal engine, and introduced a plaza-based system with game worlds?

ocean arch
#

@mild cradle look in #open-beta-discussion and you will see Devs actively respond to feedback when they are around

oblique ivy
lucid sandal
#

Nameplates kinda create segregation too already btw. I never meet up with white plates because they are almost always the crashers.

mild cradle
#

Also, it may be good to keep in mind, with more funding comes more money to spend on people to help make the game work better.
@turbid fjord I hope to God it does.

oblique ivy
#

Literally if you decide not to talk to someone based on their plate that is entirely your problem. Some of the best people ive met are visitors or whatever. Rank doesn't matter

turbid fjord
worthy oracle
cloud sluice
#

Actively work on fixing bugs that the community points out instead of ignoring them.
@cloud sluice
@mild cradle Myself, I've been toying with the idea of having more automated tests. Although automating tests for a game like this is inherently very hard, at least some core functionality like voice disappearing and such should be doable. Maybe using some sort of scripted bot users or so?

ocean arch
#

Do you guys even recall the 3.0 issues that happened like a month ago? Wouldn't have been fixed without the Devs and they listened to feedback on the canny

mild cradle
#

@mild cradle look in #open-beta-discussion and you will see Devs actively respond to feedback when they are around
@ocean arch I'm reading it and they haven't replied to anyone? They haven't addressed anything actually.

lucid sandal
#

You see I block all the white plates because I get crashed so often. Literally the only solution

ocean arch
#

Scroll up more, @mild cradle

worthy oracle
#

It’s not always them

echo sigil
#

I'd consider vrchat plus if they fixed 3.0 ik

analog schooner
#

I've seen some Trusted users admit to crashing people they don't like

cloud sluice
#

What's the problem with 3.0 IK?

vocal shard
ocean arch
#

This ^

vocal shard
#

Danke

stable trellis
#

No ones saying “don’t have critical opinions”, we’re trying to say these opinions are uninformed and baseless 🤷‍♀️

cloud sluice
#

tbh, being able to enable custom animations and shaders on paying users only would be useful... since they stand to lose money on being banned...

balmy hornet
#

i cant clear my cache because my game never closes properly without crashing itself closed

waxen harness
#

DUDE the trusted user eboys are wildin in public worlds, u talk to their girl and it's game over for that world

potent fern
#

well, visitors usually have most of their features blocked

ocean arch
balmy hornet
#

thanks any fix to closing vrchat

mild cradle
#

Scroll up more, @mild cradle
@ocean arch One person talked about when it goes live. 2 hours ago. That's literally all I saw. lol. 18 VRChat Team members online-

analog schooner
#

I'm no programmer, but what would a crasher detector be possible?

oblique ivy
#

They didn't mean right now, they meant when 3.0 added a bunch of bugs

lucid sandal
#

Oh I have a question where can I report a bug at?

echo sigil
#

3.0s have never felt the same since they broke a few updates ago. Legs don't move naturally in fullbody, hips feel like a ball that rotates, and in general broken

jovial kestrel
ocean arch
echo sigil
#

I legit stopped playing vrc almost entirely since that happened. When I did I have to use 2.0

vocal shard
#

tbh they should make the vrc+ 5 dollars a month

cloud sluice
#

Well, 3.0 is still kind of beta...

vocal shard
#

honestly i'm just vibing watching this whole chat

echo sigil
#

I just hope they fix it. They were fine before that

vocal shard
#

Anyone wanna play

ocean arch
#

3.0 is really good. If you're saying it's bad then clearly you haven't explored enough of it already

lucid sandal
#

Thanks. I encountered a nasty bug on WMR where the home menu will crash VRchat on occasion. Try not to use the HB anymore.

vocal shard
cloud sluice
#

I haven't had that big issues though, maybe because I'm using legacy calibration

echo sigil
#

Not saying it's bad at all. I'm saying when they broke 3.0 a few updates ago it hasn't felt the same in fbt since

waxen harness
#

Legacy calibration >>>>

cloud sluice
#

Agreed - $10 too much just for avatar slots and picture around your nameplate. Kinda greedy.
@vocal shard I'd pay even if it gave me nothing, so...

I would like to see increased slots for favoriting worlds though... Maybe I'll suggest it on the canny...

mild cradle
#

That's why I think they should just make a straight up donations. Give people more options than 10 dollars a month. or 100 bucks a year. Like allowing more variety in donations is important.

echo sigil
#

I use legacy

vocal shard
daring seal
#

how do you get that early supporter badge?

ocean arch
cloud sluice
#

That's why I think they should just make a straight up donations. Give people more options than 10 dollars a month. or 100 bucks a year. Like allowing more variety in donations is important.
@mild cradle Yes, and you may sugest this. But please keep in mind the tone when you do so.

waxen harness
#

For $10 a month I want to be able to fly around like superman pls :>

daring seal
#

also is that discords new reply system?

ocean arch
cloud sluice
#

For $10 a month I want to be able to fly around like superman pls :>
@waxen harness You can by putting colliders into your avatar, already

daring seal
#

Interesting. I only see it with a few servers.

hushed oxide
#

I can't use replies I guess

waxen harness
mild cradle
#

Broken avatars and bones hella funny. Cursed avis are the best.

ocean arch
#

Discord is still testing it but are rolling it out slowly on servers at this point. Won't be an immediate update but eventually all servers will have it

daring seal
vocal shard
analog schooner
#

Also with 3.0 avatars, I hate how when going down stairs, my in-game head sometimes leaves my actual head because It's going into a brief falling animation.

vocal shard
#

Anyone wanna chill or hangout plz dm me I’m lonely

waxen harness
#

Just let me fly and shoot lazers and shit for VRC+

daring seal
#

lol zero-g laser tag

ocean arch
#

@analog schooner you can remove that under the locomotion layer

quartz jetty
#

To be honest, i feel like there'd be barely if any backlash for a pay what you want style of donation system, nobody would get anything more than anybody else and those that honestly wished to support would do so.

vocal shard
analog schooner
cloud sluice
#

You can do a lot by customizing the animator controllers 🙂

echo sigil
#

This also makes the entire trust system completely pointless. Legit you can pay to increase your trust

daring seal
#

wait i feel like trust shouldn't be buyable.

ocean arch
#

The trust system was already pointless.

hushed oxide
#

@daring seal Yeah I don't have that option

mild cradle
#

To be honest, i feel like there'd be barely if any backlash for a pay what you want style of donation system, nobody would get anything more than anybody else and those that honestly wished to support would do so.
@quartz jetty I agree. People should be able to give custom donations just for sole purpose of donating and not being held in higher regard than others by having special features only for them in vrchat.

cloud sluice
#

It has been said several times over, the boost you get when paying is very small.
My take is it will be about to take you to New User or maybe User when starting out, so that you can upload stuff.

echo sigil
#

My friend just mentioned next they'll make vrc+ only worlds an option, which will suck even worse. His prediction could be reality one day lol

daring seal
#

@hushed oxide weird because it's existed for ages.

ocean arch
#

The only thing I'll give props to the trust system is the visitor and new user rank. Anything above is just kinda the same at that point.

cloud sluice
#

My friend just mentioned next they'll make vrc+ only worlds an option, which will suck even worse
@echo sigil Source?

oblique ivy
#

I don't get it, "Higher regard" Are you stupid? Its like when trust ranks first came out jesus christ.
Y'all acted like some pyramid hierarchy was rapidly approaching and then wow no one cared

analog schooner
#

Not to mention all those trusted users with those crappy crasher gun avatars.

hushed oxide
#

Not ages, it's fairly new

vocal shard
daring seal
#

is there even anything beyond trusted user?

vocal shard
#

@daring seal Veteran and Legendary rank

daring seal
#

Ah well dang I haven't been on in ages so might try to hit those

mild cradle
#

I don't get it, "Higher regard" Are you stupid? Its like when trust ranks first came out jesus christ.
Y'all acted like some pyramid hierarchy was rapidly approaching and then wow no one cared
@oblique ivy People didn't have to pay to have trust systems. People didn't have to pay to be trusted. People DO have to pay for special features. That DOES hold people in higher regard simply for the fact that they paid money.

vocal shard
#

theres a lot of trusted users that have a big ego about it for like no reason at all.. it's like ok? you've played a lot, heres a medal

#

They're not visible though, max visible rank is Trusted, no matter if you have Veteran or Legendary

stable trellis
ocean arch
#

@heavy barn they don't expect people to pay for it. It's just you supporting them. It is not pay 2 win, not a bragging rights; it is just you helping the developers earn a living and run the games servers.

daring seal
#

Ah okay, I am trusted so figured there was nothing more.

oblique ivy
#

Literally no one is going to care, you will look like a dumbass. It'd be like if someone with nitro said "HAH LOOK AT MY MOVING PFP IDIOT!"
It's stupid and you look like a dumbass

mild cradle
#

@heavy barn they don't expect people to pay for it. It's just you supporting them. It is not pay 2 win, not a bragging rights; it is just you helping the developers earn a living and run the games servers.
@ocean arch Then why not just let people donate?

cloud sluice
#

@oblique ivy People didn't have to pay to have trust systems. People didn't have to pay to be trusted. People DO have to pay for special features. That DOES hold people in higher regard simply for the fact that they paid money.
@mild cradle It is logical to hold people in higher regard because they paid money. I would also trust a user that has paid money more, since they're less likely to be a troll, and there's a monetary disincentive for them to be a troll.

daring seal
#

I mean I would only use nitro for globally using emotes.

soft timber
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There’s... 2 nuisance ranks?

vocal shard
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i've never seen someone with the nuisance ranks

echo sigil
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Did someone just deny that trust level is a hierarchy? You can't tell me you don't see visitors and new users get ignored and blocked daily for their rank

daring seal
oblique ivy
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Yeah except that's your choice. If you're doing that to people you're just an asshole?

soft timber
ocean arch
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As a game developer perspective, it's not going to last you as well as their current method, @mild cradle. This method kinda encourages them to still support with extra benefits that aren't necessary to the core experience.

analog schooner
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I think there's a potential Nuisance Rank and a Confirmed Nuisance rank.

karmic rose
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pay for trust is toxic

echo sigil
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I was just warned in this server for something I didn't say. Nice.

ocean arch
mild cradle
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pay for trust is toxic
@karmic rose It's really the only thing that I don't agree with when it comes down to it.

cloud sluice
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pay for trust is toxic
@karmic rose The people complaining on here are toxic. It is only a tiny bit of trust, as far as they have told us.

stable trellis
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There’s “probable nuisance” and “nuisance” you can only reach them by being deranked from being kicked or blocked as a visitor rank. “Nuisance” rank have a icon on their nameplate and are auto muted and avatar hidden

cloud sluice
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The trust system is kinda pointless anyway. It's not like it's hard to become Trusted

daring seal
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I've made many good friends on VRChat. and I am a keyboard+mouse user.

echo sigil
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I said it was a prediction moderator. Not a real thing.

waxen harness
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I'm known user right now with 300 hours, how many hours does it take for trusted normally?

ocean arch
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1000

oblique ivy
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I got it at 800 but it varies

vocal shard
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@waxen harness i think i have more than you but am still just a user

daring seal
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It's not just hours but it can be faster if you build stuff on unity like avatars and worlds.

mild cradle
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I do have to admit though I have a love hate relationship with the game. I have indeed met a lot of amazing people and I wouldn't trade that for the world.

waxen harness
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sheeeshhhh 1k hours on vrchat that's alot of pretty anime girls to look at

cloud sluice
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I've made many good friends on VRChat. and I am a keyboard+mouse user.
@daring seal I'm a FBT user with many friends that are only desktop users. It goes both ways 🙂

ocean arch
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Clients aren't approved by the Devs. While there is that system, that's also a risk to take

daring seal
vocal shard
stable trellis
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Yup, literally 400 hours with one world got me trusted rank and no one has ever treated me different at any rank. Worrying about the tiny amount of trust a paying user gets is a waste of effort imo

rugged schooner
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isnt vrc+ meant to be a way to support the devs?? i dont think you are getting restricted in any way

waxen harness
daring seal
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I made a small test of a world just to learn unity a bit then I ended up getting trusted for it.

vocal shard
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well ima head off g night guys

echo sigil
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Night!

daring seal
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Goodnight.