i think you should ask in #world-development
#vrchat-general-2
opaque heron
meager flame
ok guys i have a question, if u use a vive headset with 2 bases, do you need more equipment to have full body tracking ?
carmine nebula
Thank god my models wont break like they did in 2017
subtle cedar
@opaque heron Judging by your profile picture I see you're a man of good music
opaque heron
hell yeah
vestal pier
@meager flame yes, you need two controllers for each hand and three other trackers for hip, and legs.
meager flame
ty
finite merlin
anyone able to run the game?
subtle cedar
🍻 saw three weeks ago Pink Floyd Project live, was absolutely amazing man. If you get a chance to see those lads it's 100% worth it. They are the group that are assigned by PF themselves to play in their place
faint skiff
Lets hope this fixes some of the "client users" for now then, because that shit was betting beyond a joke.
opaque heron
i'm gonna plan to make a live stage map playing all the The Wall songs and projecting some scenes on a wall, but first i have to find a stuka model while i have a 3d model of the hammer
uncut marlin
I have a question. If I wanted to customize some VRChat avatars to use for fun how could I like learn how to do so.
subtle cedar
@opaque heron Ah nice, sounds like a nice plan man. If you do perform I'd love to see a video of it!
finite kraken
I don’t get the #announcements because it’s April fools day so I can’t tell if their serious
faint skiff
@uncut marlin Learn Blender, basically
verbal creek
is there an official planned april fool event held on vrchat today or nothing planned ?
uncut marlin
oh ok thanks
hushed mica
does new update means what my new avatar which i create doesn't work properly in a new version?
opaque heron
now that you say that april fools thing i'm scared
vestal pier
@hushed mica no
sleek anvil
LMFAO they broke sitting
thorn fern
Wait.
sleek anvil
if you do a emote while sitting your ik breaks
lucid tartan
thorn fern
They're serious?
It's out?
sleek anvil
if you sit up though its fine
rigid crescent
Yo someone come test their client on me lol
thorn fern
Oh dang!
vestal pier
The sitting thing has been broke since beta, its low priority
slate verge
don't seemed to notice anything change ingame
my recently uploaded worlds seems fine too
drifting field
I have been there. Everything still works.
vocal shard
wait do I need to "redownload" all my worlds now?
opaque hawk
nah fam
vocal shard
ok so whats up with vr controllers and the new update?
vestal pier
They control where your hands are
thin dagger
Anyone got any IK video comparisons?
vocal shard
my right controller is basically pointless for gestures now
rigid crescent
Yo who's gonna be the first person to ERP in a UDON world
hollow dome
I'm so happy udon is live holy mother of god
slate verge
@thin dagger i believe someone named Kung did a comparison video of it awhile back
thin dagger
Yea, I remember that one
vocal shard
only my left hand can activate/toggle the gestures on my avatars
thin dagger
Wanted to know if it's really about to same or nah
rigid crescent
its not
slate verge
lets ping him and ask maybe
rigid crescent
it seems better actually
thin dagger
wow really
Yea, I'm noticing actual jitteryness in streams for people with FBT, cool
past sorrel
Who’s ready for a shit ton on client user to start going off on this discord
fading mountain
wait, they legit just released the unity 2018 version?
kind geyser
yup
oak stirrup
World thumbnails not loading for me since update
fading mountain
So I guess this means all the avatars and worlds are all broken?
umbral reef
Not really
kind geyser
nope
hoary ridge
Avatars are fine actually
broken plover
and old worlds are running in a kind of legacy mode (if I remember correctly)
vocal shard
That's one of the reasons they took so long. To help ensure things worked like normal
fading mountain
Ah
still ether
there is update
fading mountain
So what does all this really mean then?
umbral reef
That you gotta read the patch notes
As everything gets explained in there on whats new and improved
rigid crescent
oh wait thats old as shit lol nvm
mighty escarp
So has anyone tried fullbody with the update yet? How does it feel
carmine nebula
Smooth as heck
chrome basin
if this update thing is genuine someone could make superhot in vrchat
mighty escarp
From perspective of the viewers?
vestal pier
you can make superhot in vrchat
carmine nebula
I've been told the fullbody doesnt twist your body when you move your head
sullen escarp
you could also just
play superhot
carmine nebula
Nah that's too hard
chrome basin
gosh why hadnt i thought of that such a brilliant idea
brave shore
im a psvr user but ill probally sell it for a quest B)
chrome basin
i would sell my psvr for a quest
brave shore
yeah, the psvr is a good system
chrome basin
until the controller is ever so slightly under maximum battery
brave shore
but its outdated, so a quest is a better decision
chrome basin
then your hand develops a mind of its own and flies into the sunset
brave shore
lmao, thats part of the reason im selling it, but hey, gotta give sony credit for not making a trash heap of a system
chrome basin
its one step above from a trash heap
brave shore
lol
chrome basin
the only reason i got it was for superhot on psvr
and then i had instant regret when i heard about the quest
chrome basin
and now with the whole stay at home order thing i cant get a quest
broken plover
ebay?
brave shore
ebay will take forever to sell it on
chrome basin
well ebay did send me a package a few weeks ago
west rune
i cant make avatars to save my life lol
chrome basin
atleast you can make em at all cause idk how
west rune
i cant
chrome basin
o
broken plover
I know how to make avatars and maps (or atleast I did. I didnt work on avatars and maps for so long that I forgot how everything works)
west rune
i need to learn so bad
split bone
is vrchat more optimized
broken plover
idk. I hope it is
split bone
same ngl
faint skiff
I found performance slightly worse despite being told it should be slightly better if anything, so YMMV.
broken plover
2018 version is now out of beta and in the final release version
split bone
that's good
quick kayak
So does this mean we finally get multicore support?
hoary ridge
God I hope
quick kayak
Forcing everything through 1-2 cores has been the biggest detriment to this game, among other things.
chrome horizon
Anyone else having an issue not seeing friends?
quick kayak
They probably haven’t updated themselves
ebon juniper
Is it gonna stay as 2018?
broken plover
for now
faint skiff
@quick kayakIt's always been multithreaded, to some extent
broken plover
In the (far) future it will probably upgrade to 2019 unless it skips straight to 2020 (or whatever LTS version is coming out then)
faint skiff
There is no 2019 LTS yet anyway
quick kayak
Yeah i read up on it, I misread what they wrote last year
vocal shard
god forbid if you go into the udon room you get kicked out to your home lol
rigid crescent
@covert chasm Can you share the falloff distances for IK changing? Like is it similar to DB where it's however many meters or is it gradual
opaque heron
he pinged the inteligent cirno
polar jasper
@cold quiver getting the same with the stream audio
vocal shard
Are they going to say sike
cold quiver
i fixed it by swapping audio output devices back and forth
fervent fern
My game like 10 fps
polar jasper
oh, audio
grave prawn
Why do people disappear whenever we get close now with this update? I can barely hold my hand in front of me or get close to other people without the camera thinking i'm clipping through
cold quiver
also, noticed that you can change audio output devices now without restarting vrchat, very nice
grave prawn
I'm not the only one reporting this, mainly quest users right now
cold quiver
not sure if i need to swap back and forth when i start vrchat again or if it was just a one time thing
fervent fern
Vrchat allot broken
polar jasper
Gonna try that then Temporal
umbral reef
@grave prawn Make sure that your personal space setting isnt turned on
grave prawn
it isn't
pseudo mica
@hollow dome 🤡 Time to reupload all the otu models
grave prawn
wow. why is that a thing?
polar jasper
Yeah, didn't fix it for me @cold quiver so has to be something else then
hollow dome
@pseudo mica working fine whatchu mean
idle elm
Ooo, I was just complaining about VRChat not working with audio device switching on Monday
agile ledge
idk
pseudo mica
😮 is it?
hollow dome
mine is
agile ledge
i dont know what is in that world that fixes it but it does so
hollow dome
one day I'll be able to wear it without people calling me a child 😔
cold quiver
hmm, one thing i noticed is that while i had no audio, in the audio mixer thing the bars were reacting as if there was audio normally
cyan needle
So some person on another server somewhere is doomsaying this update saying that the new coding language is incredibly unsafe and opens up a ton of backdoors and crap and is going to lead to a new wave of hardware fryers and crashers and stuff like that. This true or just panic-mongering?
cold quiver
and switching audio devices back and forth got it to work, i'm also one vive which has 2 audio devices, one listed as speakers (htc-vive) and the other as HTC-Vive (nvidia high def audio), and switching from speakers to the other got it working again, and it remained when switching back
vocal shard
Well... Considering they're talking about frying your hardware, id say it's fear mongering
kind geyser
the truth is.. its unity.. there will always be vulnerabilities
pseudo mica
People can already do sketch stuff. Its just things that need to be fixed in the near future.
tropic tundra
Movement looks so smooth again I could about cry
pseudo mica
ik movement ?
hollow dome
gonna coom
tropic tundra
Yea
pseudo mica
😮 cant wait for this weekend then. Should be interesting to see how it holds up
umbral reef
@cyan needle That statement is as true as me being the supreme leader of the whole world
verbal creek
can it be confirmed that in this build the IP leak is fixed for the steam networking ?
vast tulip
@cyan needle they are lying 100% :P
vocal shard
@umbral reef you mean you're not?
umbral reef
The whole reason they made there own thing is so that its literally imposible to harm computers. Yes you cna crash people, but you dont need udon for that and it would be extra work to do it even with it
tropic tundra
I peeked at a stream and saw NoLogicDavid dancing and like, movements were so much more fluid and not so bulky and laggy
pseudo mica
o.o wondering if itll be fine in heavy rooms where theres 30+
umbral reef
@vocal shard sadly not :C
tropic tundra
Oooh, true. Didn’t think about that.. maybe if the whole world is in one single area it might kick up issues?
vast tulip
you know what's great about this update that a lot of people might not have even realized was an issue? the networked IK so so much better now, you can see people NOD
vast tulip
I went months not realizing that people weren't seeing me nod when they asked me something, and, them looking at me like I wasn't answering
pure hemlock
The network IK is the one thing I've been waiting for since November 😐
kind geyser
people who sign will be very happy about htat
faint skiff
Was one of the outstanding issues that triggers don't work if you spawn inside one?
pure hemlock
Not many people realized just how bad it was since the quest update, the interpolation removed a lot of finer movements
unreal condor
So uhh the game says I don't have an internet connection
tropic tundra
I’m so happy ik stuff was updated. I felt like I looked insanely choppy and blocky when in full body moving around
pure hemlock
I was shaking my head really slowly Mimi for the last... 10 months or whatever so peopel could actually see it
pseudo mica
.4 i believe
pure hemlock
now im gonna look silly shaking my head slowly... might be a hard habit to break
tropic tundra
Haha same
tired topaz
is it the 2018.4.20f1 (LTS) from the unity hub?
tropic tundra
Or exaggerating any movements by 50%
pure hemlock
yah xD
tired topaz
can i get a yes or noo?
covert chasm
@tired topaz https://docs.vrchat.com/docs/current-unity-version
dusk mesa
Why y'all so panic
tired topaz
thanks
unreal condor
So does anyone know why VRChat says I don't have an internet connection when I clearly do? It worked fine before the update. And it's allowed through my firewall I checked.
white ginkgo
Thanks devs for releasing a working update 😄 so far everything looks good!
vocal shard
One bug I've found so far is that Snowdins HD world, the spawn is now under the ground so it endlessly spawns you and you keep falling. I don't believe it's april fools
eternal tinsel
my friend's in quest and cant see people or be seen by people big bug oof
tired topaz
this update is hella good, i love the new IK, full body users seems more smooth n sweet
carmine nebula
The update a simple "update on steam" ?
dusk mesa
@covert chasm i love u, but only today and its actualy a april fool
umbral reef
@eternal tinsel If people dont update there game version then they cant see others.
carmine nebula
@dusk mesa pog
eternal tinsel
oh tyty
dusk mesa
Tupper will never respond to me 😢
tropic tundra
pphands
carmine nebula
Tuppers not cool for anyone only for himself
tired topaz
i hope udon can be merged with SDK 2 AND 3 .. like 2 in 1.. do anyone hope for that too? i mean they will but i cant wait hahaha.. im so impatient im sorry
untold canopy
Hii can someone maybe help me?
fast vault
Maybe
dusk mesa
Just check the VRC Website... there u see the diff SDK's
vocal shard
@tired topaz that'd be even more confusing.
dusk mesa
There is one for udon and one for "older worlds ect" what have triggers and such
tired topaz
im already confused enough
tall laurel
I'm not finding a VRC Avatar descriptor component in the new SDK, did the system change somehow or am I just missing scripts?
split bone
My avatar list is broken ?
tired topaz
they did say.. this update is a beta lmao.. like bugs n stuff
split bone
u right
old kiln
This new update keeps randomly crashing me and my friends :|
split bone
My headset likes to crash so
tired topaz
dude i enjoy this FPS LMAO and my friends looks so smooth with their full body on
worthy tapir
On a scale of 1-10, how broken are models?
dusk mesa
Everyone : wants new update and cries bc it wasnt here
Everyone : new update released, EVERYONE does compain 🙄
umbral reef
Compared to normal?
Like a 2 honest
tired topaz
my models are completely okay
dusk mesa
Not one of mine is broken and i got like 60 avatars
worthy tapir
What about them is actually broken?
umbral reef
Only a select few are broken and the biggest part is fine
Even less if you just reupload them
untold canopy
After the update my mouse stopped working
tired topaz
well.. take it out n in out of the usb
untold canopy
I did but that's not the problem
tropic tundra
Did u try restarting the game?
faint skiff
Just noticed some of my triggers have reset to have no trigger on them? Was that a known bug?
wispy knoll
update out?
untold canopy
It works fine unless when I'm in vr
And yes retarded the game like 9 times and retarded my PC
dusk mesa
Maybe reupload it with the new sdk @faint skiff
tired topaz
they did say.. reupload your avatars with the new stuff.. so do that before u complain
faint skiff
@dusk mesa I'm talking about in the editor
dusk mesa
In unity you mean?
kind geyser
are you using the new sdk and the new unity?
dusk mesa
It works fine for me in Unity 2018 with the world i made 2months ago
faint skiff
Yes and yes. I was testing this months ago. I converted back in November.
Most are still there, some are missing.
kind geyser
the sdk has been updated multiple times since then
faint skiff
Though my console is now full of "<the name of a trigger object> didn't fire in time!"
dusk mesa
There is says in the new SDK for triggers and such
tired topaz
isnt sdk 3 with udon more world based
faint skiff
That link doesn't load
This is what I'm referring to - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/629302253768933376/695017580590792850/unknown.png
dusk mesa
my gyazo doesnt work rn xD
vocal shard
what sdk do we use to upload new avatars and what sdk for reuploading old avatar?
faint skiff
18.4.20f1 Unity, latest SDK2, etc. The "Didn't fire in time" is what concerns me as they were error class messages.
vocal shard
what the hell me and my friend are inviting each other says we're in same lobby cant see each other
faint skiff
@vocal shard SDK2
agile ledge
i love how your game just dies when you open your menu for quest
vocal shard
all on sdk2 @faint skiff
faint skiff
Or just use a dummy channel on your own discord server and paste the images directly into that like I do.
umbral reef
What about lightshot :^)
dusk mesa
reeeeeeeeee 😦
broken plover
ha I opened a whole new server just for image dumping
faint skiff
Anyway. I'm losing time, unless someone has seen this before or has an answer, I need to go and manually figure out what's missing and fix it.
cosmic belfry
If I'm asking the same question someone else asked I apologize but
with these new changes what does this mean? In order to upload avatars and worlds to VRChat we can no longer use older versions of unity like 2017.04.28f (If that's correct) and VRChat SDK 2? Can someone elaborate. Thanks Kindly
covert chasm
Yes, please see the release notes and "migration guide" we linked several times in the #announcements message.
Do not use 2017.4.28f1 anymore.
Use 2018.4.20f1, and update your SDK per the migration guide.
eternal tinsel
appaarently update killed quest, both sides updated but neither can see each other, online in same worlds but not on world list, big oof
covert chasm
Quest update is out, people need to update their version on their Quest
faint skiff
Have you updated the Quest one?
eternal tinsel
both sides are updated
covert chasm
If the build number matches in their quick menu, they should be able to see each other
the number should read 912
plush plinth
im not noticing some missing shaders from my avatar, but both quest and pc are interacting fine
idle elm
@eternal tinsel The Great Pug - West has both sides updated too. Have you verified the build number is 912 and do you see the same issue there?
vocal shard
my vrchat dosent lauch...
grand zealot
Did they fuck up audio again? Everything is incredibly quiet now
fast vault
Fine for me
grand zealot
untold canopy
My mouse stopped moving
Am I the only one who has that?
eternal tinsel
ye both 912
idle elm
@eternal tinsel same behavior in Pug West?
eternal tinsel
ye
idle elm
ok
uncut trail
How's the update ?
grand zealot
All I'm seeing thus far are issues from people, so
umbral reef
implying people use this discord normally for something else
kind geyser
↑
grand zealot
what
untold canopy
I'm just gonna cry in a corner
I give up I hate this update
cold quiver
@polar jasper i cant repeat the success i had earlier to get audio to work on sync stream players now, not sure whats going on, will poke around more tomorrow its like 5am for me
eternal tinsel
could be a connection issue oof
vocal shard
What's the deal with the update
grand zealot
yeah welcome to vrchat cici
vocal shard
Lags?
polar jasper
@cold quiver try a direct mp4 link
atomic orbit
Anybody else have Index controller not being recognized in VRC? they're fine outside game
polar jasper
@cold quiver might also be just YouTube videos itself
untold canopy
Linkz
I think I have the same problem
atomic orbit
great...
spare cypress
The reworked network IK looks great!
untold canopy
Well it's with my mouse but its the same proboem
uncut trail
Wait they reworked IK ?
agile ledge
what is IK
uncut trail
for fullbody
lament zinc
I'm having no issues here
vocal shard
i cant even launch vrchat...
atomic orbit
Yup my controllers are just not being recognized...restarted, rebooted....they are seen in Home but as soon as I load into VRC they disappear
lament zinc
Correction, some people seem to be moving in choppy animations
untold canopy
This update is great isn't it
vocal shard
totally i cant even lauch vrchat
rancid vessel
Everything is a bit choppy like FPS being all over the place here and there
vocal shard
so are all world and avatars still mostly working? will people have to reupload stuff to work?
light cargo
untold canopy
If my mouse is gonna work I can
wild ridge
@vocal shard Towards the end of the latest #announcements post they say almost everything should be fine. If it isn't, they said to try reuploading it.
Edit: 5th to last paragraph
vocal shard
F, sorry I missed that
lament zinc
Also, my sensitivity went off the charts
lavish sage
anyone have a solution to the chears on avatars?
uncut trail
Wait someone say if they update VRChat possible their pings can go up ?
broken cobalt
yo vrchat have one problem with ping goes 4700
uncut trail
^
umbral reef
Ping is actually lower for me but at the same time i never managed to get any network problems with VRC
But i highly doubt VRC managed to slow there system by 10 fold for some users and its more the normal ISP/networking problems
pulsar fox
I just said how I have no issues I loaded into three different worlds with in a whole ten seconds. If anything it got faster for me.
tropic tundra
Pog
atomic orbit
Completely deleted and reinstalled VRC, still doesn't recognize my Index controllers.....works fine in SteamVR Home...
vocal shard
another great update
umbral reef
I did nothing to solve my problems
Its still everyone but mine fault its still broken
fast vault
Exactly
umbral reef
Maybe i should lend you some of my paint felix
grand zealot
vocal shard
tropic tundra
The announcement did mention they expect bugs and glitches to appear,,if there’s bugs, report em, ez
umbral reef
Welp guess you dont need it afterall if you dont understand what it could mean
stark forge
gaunt gust
i think the whole game is glitched
umbral reef
Whats not working for ya
gaunt gust
for some reason i was playing a video in bedroom theater and it repeated itself when it wasn't supposed to
like, it almost got to the end and it started back up again
vocal shard
Hi
umbral reef
Ow hmm
Well the game did just update and the thing that gets used to show video's also got updated (i think dont quote me on it).
Can be its bricked in some setups
gaunt gust
yeah possibly
vocal shard
I have some questions
umbral reef
Make a bug report on the canny if it keeps happening mbliss
Dont ask to ask jenga. Just throw the question in chat and if someone knows the answer they will reply
umbral reef
Upload video's and make content people care about
vocal shard
Have a regular schedule, but don't force yourself too much. Just make videos you enjoy. If you enjoy it, your audience will enjoy it. Don't worry about being big
broken plover
if you do it right (with alot of clickbait and basically being a scumbag that only does youtube for the money) you can still get big. Quality content doesnt really have a chance against all the clickbait out there :/
umbral reef
Nico that only works if you already have reach
peak bramble
youtube is kinda gey ngl
broken plover
but most youtubers that are big now and make quality content said they started off just out of nowhere and they didnt expect to grow that much
no clue if thats acutally true though
umbral reef
Just do what you want. Keep improving on your content and try to make it as good as you can
You wont get big within a week or even a year
Most big youtubers have been doing it for years on end
peak bramble
getting big on youtube nowadays is really tough
vocal shard
How do I make good gaming content? I don’t have adobe or anything
peak bramble
it's mainly about getting your stuff out there and making original content
oak roost
My client is dead 😭
peak bramble
gaming and vlogs are both incredibly oversaturated nowadays so it's a bad idea to do them unless you can make absolute quality content and you can be really original with it
umbral reef
Also, im guessing your really young. ITs better to just have fun gaming online then trying to be famous.
And if your under 13 you really should not be in this discord or play this game
peak bramble
which are both very hard feats
umbral reef
And making vlogs while your young reallllyy isnt smart to do.
peak bramble
and indeed oclac
vocal shard
I’m older than 13😒
broken plover
I started my channel with making (really bad) "youtube poop" and I got a few subs doing that
and then I kinda did what was trendy back then and one video that got 20k views made me like 5 subs daily (I have 255 now)
umbral reef
All about them music promotion channels :^)
vocal shard
I wanna make money off yt
fast vault
You could just as well go and win in lottery
peak bramble
and it's a very unstable way to make money too
umbral reef
You wont make money of youtube for years to come my friend
You should not start a channel unless you enjoy making content.
It really is just a job if you want to just make money
And all jobs suck you know
vocal shard
I wanna make content and be successful
fleet ice
is the new unity for vrchat the 2018.4.20f1 (LTS) ?
umbral reef
@deep belfry By now its outdated as the algorithms that made him big at first have been tweaked by now
peak bramble
ok jenga uh
fast vault
If you go into youtube with attitude that you only want to make money it most likely wont ever work
vocal shard
But I want to be successful
umbral reef
Y tho
peak bramble
making content for the sake of getting popular is a terrible mindset
fast vault
It just aint that simple
vocal shard
So like
My mom can be happy cus she was really excited about me starting a yt channel
fast vault
Everyone wants to be succesful but only very few actually are
peak bramble
that's still not a great goal
i have around 4k subs but most of them were completely by accident and if i upload now i only get 100-200 views on average
vocal shard
That’s still good
peak bramble
you have to find your gap in the market, y'know?
broken plover
you just gotta get the algorithm rolling and beg to the allmighty gods of youtube that you will get the attention that you want. Not much you can do other than that
peak bramble
look at it like this
vocal shard
Plaodia I subbed to you btw
peak bramble
thanks lol
fast vault
And you need to enjoy what you are doing, otherwise it wont work
half notch
anyone else running a oculus rift CV1?
peak bramble
yep, i'm on rift
half notch
since new update im having issues with the touch controllers?
peak bramble
hmm? that's weird
vocal shard
I’m really good at a game I know
half notch
they show up in every other game just not VR chat
vocal shard
It’s on roblox
peak bramble
i haven't played vrchat since the update so i'm not sure
barren igloo
phantom forces
half notch
the thing is the controllers show when using the Steam VR menu just not in the game 😦
soo i cant play VR atm 😦
sour pasture
Well that sucks man
half notch
meh oh well i just made a new skin for my avatar too :/
sour pasture
☹️ that really sucks dude
dense orchid
fathom glen
jovial pulsar
How long has the update been out for?
half notch
well this seems liek a waste of time
ive uninstalled and reinstalled and still nothing
broken plover
About 2 hours i think
fast vault
Maybe do some real troubleshooting then
jovial pulsar
What's it generally like? Does it feel better in terms of performance in vr?
half notch
ive restarted both oculus and steam VR :/
broken plover
From general Gameplay not much changed.
ivory pelican
@steep roverteam fix the update quest users are having major problems and bugs
cunning vault
does anyone have the time to help me out in #avatar-optimization?
umbral reef
Poof now they can fix everything because they totally know what you mean now
Also use the proper reporting channels
half notch
my oculus rift controllers are not picking up once the game starts running
broken plover
Are you running it through oculus software or steam vr?
half notch
i have submitted a ticket but yeah i just maybe thought the community would know whats wrong
i ran it through steam VR and still same thing and i ran it through oculus and still same thing
and its onyl VR chat this does it with
fast vault
It takes 5 minutes to google the problem and see if anyone else dealt with it before and how
broken plover
Don’t know what’s going on then. Was playing with my friends on oculus just fine
modest herald
Is there a way to enable very poor performance avatars on quest still? Only the default public ones have good performance so I can't see avatars anymore
half notch
It takes 5 minutes to google the problem and see if anyone else dealt with it before and how
@fast vault and sorry for asking for help in a community based channel?
broken plover
i think that doesn’t apply here since the update was only released 3 hours ago
fast vault
Its good to ask help but you sound like a fucking ass if you didnt notice
brave salmon
I'm trying to tell someone who hasn't updated yet and I have updated is there any possible way to tell them to update vrchat?
half notch
Its good to ask help but you sound like a fucking ass if you didnt notice
@fast vault takes one to know one sorry not sorry :/ i was simply asking for help if anyone else has experianced this and if they knew anything so yeah
goes to show you are not a good community member 🙂
cunning vault
hey, does anyone have the time right now to help me out with my issue in #avatar-optimization?
pastel vale
Hey I have a question for one of the Mods
If I can DM one that would be great I'm sorry if it's too much to ask but it's something I need help with and the reason for it is personal to me that I would only like saying in a DM
umbral reef
The VRC team only does official stuff via there email/ticket system. Anything official doesnt get handled over discord
pastel vale
Ok thank you very much
vocal shard
anyone wanna play? im bored and need new friends. dm me you must have a mic. and be funny not boring
gilded spade
"entertain me"
lime geyser
So..quick question, would i be able to use a ps4 vr headset and psmove for my laptop?
teal harbor
lmao I cant play
modest herald
Ugh with this update it's like having personal space turned on I cant even see myself anymore
teal harbor
theres problem
ivory pelican
It horrible ain’t it?
modest herald
Can I go back to the previous build lol
ivory pelican
Yeah that sounds good
whole hedge
im having a issue on the quest on as soon as i start up vr chat it just. flashes black and back to the actually game non stop so i cant exist
vocal shard
@vocal shard im online atm
cedar cedar
imagine breaking the game even more than it was before. dont like to crash? well this update gives you the fat finger up your ass.
outer elk
wont even let me in the game
vocal shard
where can I find female avatars? XD
cedar cedar
vrc devs when they see a game breaking glitch: 🖕 😂 👊 "na fam, lets add a new status."
umbral reef
Haha lets insult devs for free game haha
vocal shard
you know what would have been cooler than an additional private instance status? an idle status would have been ok by me that gets set automatically rather than toggled on and off, so troll
mellow oasis
Imagine none of the vrchat exploits being fixed
cedar cedar
exactly @mellow oasis
umbral reef
haha lets insult users instead of actually reporting bugs properly on the channels they request us to, playing the beta finding bad stuff there and getitng it fixed before release haha
vocal shard
like what you're doing? haha
cedar cedar
oh damn XD
mellow oasis
RamCrashing is a thing still and forcekick
umbral reef
I reported my fair share of problems
cedar cedar
same here. and the problems are portal droppers.
indigo fern
have you seen any since the update?
umbral reef
Force kick, portal drops and avatar swap are indeed bullshit
Most crashes cant be solved
Good thing most clients got bricked hard though
cedar cedar
not YET.
indigo fern
he doesnt know yet then
umbral reef
haha team sucks ammiright haha
mellow oasis
Like what's so hard about checking how much data someone sends
graceful trout
Quest amr
cedar cedar
do you know what they need to add? a way to disable portals locally from your menu. but nah. statuses are more important than a players safety from walking into a crash portal.
umbral reef
What data
From an avatar? Because you can optimize crashers pretty god damn good
I know crash shaders that are less data heavy then most normal ones :'o
graceful trout
Is the quest version dead
mellow oasis
@cedar cedar That's to hard for them have to read how to do that in the LTS Support or can't be done
umbral reef
@cedar cedar Lets play a game
Mind explainign me what a game Dev does
And after that what a server or backend dev does.
brave salmon
A small benefit of quest is shaders don't exist but that's also a curse for quest users
cedar cedar
why are you defending a dying game @umbral reef
umbral reef
The team that made the status things isnt the team that could make your requested fixes...
haha why are you playin a dying game haha
cedar cedar
bc i have faith in the devs not to fuck up. but if they cant even keep the servers from being ddosed, then im out.
i am losing faith in the game
mellow oasis
I just don't get it they have 16+ devs and not one of them can take the time to make little patches even if its not 100% professional to at least mend the problem would be somthing
cedar cedar
exactly
umbral reef
Also i really cant stand some dumbass comments the community parrots from eachother.
Plenty of shit the devs can get, a lot of valid things are utherly broken, bullshit, not working or even causing harm.
But using brains cells to yell at the right part of the dev team, knowing how to help them instead of circle jerking helps
So you also do not trust large companies like xbox? As xbox live got ddosed for way longer then Vrchat ever has
cedar cedar
maybe longer but not as rapid as vrc.
sterile ingot
Dev changes move at the speed of business. That means slow. To expect fast patches for for anything less than a critical vulnerability is setting yourself up for disappointment.
vocal shard
There's lots going on in the backend that isn't so straight forward as "just change a bit of code and fix the game"
And many things have to be done in stages. Already the unity 2018 update fixed some of the exploits, but it also can give a basis to fix more, compared to previous versions which would have been waisted time on
cedar cedar
i dont expect them to fix anything in a jiffy. i expect them to fix a bug and not create another 2 bugs in the process.
sterile ingot
To do things right, it takes time.
crisp anvil
I found that the game has became much more stable after the update... Guess that's just me. Less laggy too 😅
umbral reef
Might also be there budget, the game being literally fucking free for users and being bound by programs like unity or the limitations of cloudfare that caused it but w/e you dont even get that stuff
@crisp anvil your only part of the 90%+ that has no problems. Congratz.
cedar cedar
you mean 40?
crisp anvil
Oh why thank you lol
sterile ingot
For a simple program, that makes sense. VRC is far from simple though. Have you codded before?
mellow oasis
dude it's not that hard to have your backend dev go build a small couple lines of code to make portal local then have your ui dev make a buttion but noooo and thats just the start
indigo fern
ah yes, the vocal minority making it seem like theres not 10k+ people on playing normally
sterile ingot
I'm no expert at it. I just made a Ruby on Rails app (A blog) and that got complex enough that sometimes fixing one thing absolutely broke another.
umbral reef
Stated before that its bullshit that its stilla thing. That case falls under something you should be bitching about.
But saying they should not add a status button instead of that is dumb as its literally not the same task, job or anything
@indigo fern haha thats just fake russian propaganda sponsored by the devs theself haha
cedar cedar
and again, im not saying that you have to rush the updates. they just need to take the time to fix all the bugs that are created from a fix.
indigo fern
this update has been in open beta for 5 months now, since november
mellow oasis
There fix is them hiding in privates
umbral reef
A big part of the 'new' bugs are being fixed right now
The fews that where not reported before going to live from beta have to be properly logged and will get solved.
sterile ingot
So what exactly has broken now? And what was fixed?
indigo fern
theyve ironed out a plethora of problems, the ones still existing seem to have been dubbed, good enough
rigid crescent
privates what?
desert granite
can someone help me i have that problem say we're sorry something went wrong- i did everything but i can't join any world
cedar cedar
well crashing is back
umbral reef
@desert granite try the steps in #vrchat-support first
lean moon
hello? game wont even launch? thanks vrchat
mellow oasis
Its pretty dam shame that we are now all going to have to hide in private lobby's or get crashed by something maybe
cedar cedar
game lags out alot more
umbral reef
Crashing cant be gone. If you cant understand that you should pick up the basics of unity
sterile ingot
What do you mean back? Like people crashing others, or the game itself crashes now?
rigid crescent
who is hiding...
sterile ingot
Cause people crashing others has been around and never went away.
indigo fern
why hide when clients are borked for now
cedar cedar
its not impossible to stop crashing. its called "optimization".
umbral reef
hahahaha
vocal shard
...
umbral reef
There we got the 🦜 of he community speaking
rain wren
I'm a big fan of, "If you don't like it, then don't play it. No use complaining about it."
indigo fern
think you meant 🤡
umbral reef
You literally can not solve most types of crashing unless you take away avatar making. Like flat out remove all of it
rigid crescent
optimize what?
mellow oasis
its not avatars I am talking about
rigid crescent
dont say "the game" either
mellow oasis
It's the fact the RamCrashing is still a things or I can the fact that people can still forcekick you out of the lobby
atomic orbit
@half notch I'm having the same issues with my Index Controllers...recognized fine outside of VRC then they just disappear once the game loads
umbral reef
What then
Ram crashing? Thats avatars
Avatar swapping? They gotta revamp avatar pedestals for that and big odds they are working on it
Portals? We went over that
indigo fern
have you been force kicked since the update?
mellow oasis
Whatt?????
sterile ingot
shrugs, "Some people will find anything to complain about."
mellow oasis
Ramcrashing is sending uspeak data and causing a error and they stack up
faint skiff
@crisp anvil It's literally just come out, how can you make any claims about stability at this point?
mellow oasis
what do you mean they had 5+ months
umbral reef
🤷♂️ old ram crashing i knew got done by avatars
Welp new one then
sterile ingot
I do hope this update fixes more than it breaks, though I am still sucked into Alyx atm. I'm on I think Ch. 5
faint skiff
@mellow oasis What, in sessions with 3 people?
umbral reef
Also they kinda worked 5 months on rebuilding things like IK, most of the backend and udon
vocal shard
wam cwash UwU
mellow oasis
@faint skiff ??
sterile ingot
So is Udon recommended now for content creation?
umbral reef
Jup
vocal shard
ram crash you irl with a Dodge Ram
umbral reef
kinky apex
vocal shard
It's the same thing every time. they run a closed beta, fix bugs, run an open beta with a larger group of players who find more bugs, and then launch it to live where they now have thousands of players, straining the game in new ways, and weeding out more bugs. And usually a week later it's all sorted out.
sterile ingot
Great, something else I gotta learn 😦
vocal shard
umbral reef
Its not that hard to use
And if you can program there is already a compiler out for it
Other languages will soon follow
vocal shard
jesus christ, never seen so much of the vrchat team online at once
indigo fern
they usually all come on for updates
mellow oasis
Ik right
deft iron
omg is that the famous Jamie from YouTube?
indigo fern
its kind of a tell tale sign
vocal shard
There's over 12k players on right now. Probably getting lots of data where the weak points are and what needs to be fixed
@deft iron 
i kind of find it ironic that tupper says not to use clients, etc... but he was literally part of a ram crashing bot gang's discord called the "hackermanz" like 2 years ago
mellow oasis
haha I remember that
umbral reef
Well he is around those type of people almost daily
vocal shard
Ya, he has to put up with them.. not join them lol
sterile ingot
Who you hang around does affect you. There is SOME merit to guilt by association.
umbral reef
Also tupper joins a lot of servers so
Managed to shitpost him into an old server i was in
indigo fern
yup, and all we did was literally shit talk mods and make streamers cry
vocal shard
it's just... irony very irony y'know
sterile ingot
You hang around a bunch of brilliant comedians, you'll pick up some things on being funny. Hang around with criminals and you'll likely get dragged into the scheme. Etc
queen mango
Well, but that is another topic for another time, in another channel
rigid crescent
its vrchat related
vocal shard
in what other channel can I talk about tupper's association with a ram crashing squad?
rigid crescent
go push my report Elire 😦
sterile ingot
No ERP
rigid crescent
i dmed it to you
queen mango
Referring to Archangel's post, it seems to deviate from the main topic
queen mango
@rigid crescent Well, I tried pointing that out, but nobody responded.
umbral reef
@indigo fern Explains why you got into traps 
vocal shard
vrchat update exists for 0.3123123 seconds
Everyone: OMFG THIS IS BROKEN AF.. DUDE WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS
indigo fern
ye, because elire a cutie
umbral reef
Hey apex we both know is a full 0.2 seconds
vocal shard
quick maff's
rigid crescent
Dam RIP
indigo fern
dunno, at least this version update didnt turn my avatars pitch black with messed up rotations, so i count it as a win
didnt even need to reup 🕺
rigid crescent
ye all my stuff is good
umbral reef
Havent checked my old stuff yet but im praying it works
Dont have those files anymore 😱
fiery hawk
is anyone having problems connecting with friends in vrchat?
vocal shard
vrcat
🐱
when I'm in desktop mode, my cursor goes off my screen when i rotate my camera and when I click it changes windows, hell yeah
sterile ingot
Last time I tried migrating Unity versions it ended up breaking the project leading me to redo it anyways.
vocal shard
mine migrated perfectly yay
also didn't update the sdk though, not doing that until i'm sure the triggers aren't busted in any way
umbral reef
Thats why you just lose all your unity project files and dont lose the blender ones 🙂
No need to migrate anything if you got nothing to migrate
sterile ingot
Oh, I still have the Blender models 😛
umbral reef
I might actually update some of my avatars 🤔
Well thats a thing for tomorrow.
sterile ingot
I was still planning on learning gestures next. Might jump on learning more about Udon instead though.
vocal shard
holy shit im a dick my avatar is okay ❤️
sterile ingot
Do we have new spec limits for our avatars? Like . . . can we add more dynamic bones?
glad hazel
i cant find Remove Post Processing Stack v1 to delete it in my unity 😦 help?
umbral reef
The performance limits stayed the same
sterile ingot
Kk
brittle bloom
so why the fuck does vrchat crash in worlds with like 2 people
velvet hare
is your computer bad
sterile ingot
One of the people is using a crasher avatar?
brittle bloom
100% ive been playing the game for years now
broken cobalt
one question does exiting vrchat is long?
velvet hare
very nice grammer
half notch
Even this community is very toxic to others in the community :(
sour pasture
No i'm not toxic
sterile ingot
That's the internet.
sour pasture
😦
shy wigeon
every big community has some toxic people, still one of the best wholesome communities out there
sterile ingot
Don't let the bad people define the community. Let the good ones.
queen mango
@broken cobalt Exiting VRChat can be a mixed bag, sometimes it exits after a short period, other times you may have to exit via Task Manager
shy wigeon
question about new vrchat update
so we have to update to a new unity version
to upload stuff
sterile ingot
Hang on, checking documentation.
tardy olive
if you would like grab some friends to play jeopardy the categorizes will be memes so if you want DM me
sterile ingot
So we still use the SDK2.
tardy olive
if you would like grab some friends to play jeopardy the categorizes will be memes so if you want DM me
sterile ingot
Yes, it appears you need the new unity version for uploading.
faint skiff
SDK2 for everything unless you're using UDON really.
sterile ingot
Yes, Udon appears to be for worlds. Good to know, I can delay learning it 😛
shy wigeon
so we keep old sdk but update unity?
sterile ingot
Yes.
And I am looking into projects and how to migrate them.
If I remember correctly it's a simple click, though last time I did it it broke my project.
indigo fern
well, update the sdk too, just use the sdk2 version for avatars
sterile ingot
The SDK2 has changed / updated?
vocal shard
mirrors are white for me... Ummmm
indigo fern
they update it pretty often, not sure if the sdk made for 2017 would work right on 2018, it might but at this point should probably just use the newest one too
halcyon gyro
are there any servers where ppl teach various ballroom dances?
sterile ingot
I am checking the version now.
polar jasper
At least you're not blinded there anymore
tardy olive
if you would like grab some friends to play jeopardy the categorizes will be memes so if you want DM me
faint skiff
My world is officially a mangled useless mess generating hundreds of errors in the editor, despite being fine with the previous beta versions :/
polar jasper
The light was awful in there
sterile ingot
Yeah, the SDK version does change, though it doesn't appear to have changed in the last three months I've downloaded it.
vocal shard
crashed for the first time aaaaaaaa
strange brook
Crashed twice picking up an item lol
queen mango
Oof. What happened?
stoic bay
formal roost
Hell no if you’re on quest you can’t play
thorny nacelle
Game crash ;-:
thorny nacelle
Rip
remote moth
Can't play anymore.
Well, this was fun, hopefully OC gets updated eventually so I can actually play this game.
sterile ingot
Is most of the lag / crashing issues happening on Quest?
remote moth
I get instant crashing on boot.
sterile ingot
What's your HMD?
sterile ingot
OC?
remote moth
Open composite.
sterile ingot
Not sure what that is.
remote moth
Allows you to bypass steamVR and load straight off the Oculus VR stuff
Which gives oculus users like a massive boost in performance.
sterile ingot
That could be part of the issue then. Updates tend to crash stuff like that.
remote moth
But with the new locking of the file structure or whatever
Now I probably will never get to play
this is why I backed up before update vrc, in case I want to play that
sterile ingot
Couldn't you jump through different hoops to still play? Like not using OC?
remote moth
So now I need to wait to play HLA and VRC
No, the oculus install is broken now (as usual for oculus) and OC was the only way..
Also, the Steam version runs better.
- steamVR
Okay.. the whatever "third party software" has been installed on oculus.. well I guess that version is playable.
I just want my OC and steam.. runs the best.
sterile ingot
I get that, you just said a moment ago you "couldn't" play, and I was just verifying there actually IS a way for you to play, just not the best or preferred way. You may need to wait for OC to update or VRC to come out with a short term patch.
remote moth
Devs don't care about this stuff
Both vrc and oculus
We always get the worse end of the stick, so that's why we're doing it ourselves
Sorry for my harshness, apologies
I guess just also the lack of a functional camera is also getting to me
sterile ingot
Well, it's a normal part of the development process. First they create it in a lab / testing environment, then it's in beta and some users try it out and some bugs are sorted out, then there's production and the coding gets actual strain and use. If you think devs aren't taking note to what is breaking, you are kidding yourself. A small patch is likely coming if there are obvious issues they can easily fix.
rain isle
Huh, are avatar chairs/stations broken
faint skiff
I've literally never heard someone using Oculus hardware say that the Steam version runs better than the one on the Oculus store...
sterile ingot
I won't touch Facebook shit. Icky.
rigid crescent
Literally "Things no one has ever said ever" lol that's surprising
remote moth
Yeah, Facebook
sterile ingot
It kills me I had to reopen my account to use Revive.
remote moth
Eww
sterile ingot
I still haven't bought a game in the store. I was planning on playing through Asgard's Wrath since it looks awesome.
All their games are still expensive. I am waiting for a sale.
carmine nebula
Can someone explain to me why the hell all of a sudden after the unity 2018 update comes out, vrchat refuses to start up?
Tried reinstalling, doesn't work. Vive works fine, nothings wrong with steamvr
Or my drivers
ruby needle
did you try clearing the cache?
even tho you reinstalled try verifying the game files aswell (if steam)
carmine nebula
"Please exit and tools or games or tools before attempting to verify"
Even though nothings running?
What? x_x
ruby needle
restart the pc and see
carmine nebula
I did that already
ruby needle
just now before trying to veryfy?
ruby needle
(without trying to start the game after it)
carmine nebula
Yeesss
Ok nvm restarting steam itself let me verify
Nope, tried getting into steamvr from vrc, still not working
Gonna try clearing the folders cache
gaunt cloak
hey could anyone give me some help?
warm arch
gaunt cloak
my buddy's mic isn't working in vrc but it does in discord. Vrc can tell he is talking but no sound is actually coming out
cyan flicker
I've had that happen, does he use a VR headset?
gaunt cloak
no
shrewd phoenix
Anyone know where I can get the old half life scientist skins or Solaire of Astor’s skins? I can’t find them on any worlds
gaunt cloak
he tried figuring it out for like an hour
shrewd phoenix
*astora
cyan flicker
@gaunt cloak Oh, well what fixed it for me was restarting my PC, sounds like a basic fix I know, but he could also try looking at his voice settings within the game?
gaunt cloak
he did
cyan flicker
Sounds odd I hope he is able to fix it.
remote moth
I will give credit where credit is due
remote moth
Aev was very nice at helping me a while back and I'm thankful
grand zenith
I wonder since both my world and avatar is working without updating my Unity stuff
cyan flicker
Try unplugging and replugging the mic, if it doesn't work then restart.
grand zenith
Do i still need to reupload both of them?
vocal shard
You don't need to.
I think like 95% of the worlds need to be reup'd lol like... I think everything that was localised... like mirrors,etc is now global
rigid crescent
Or that's someone's modded client triggering global triggers
I was on for a few hours and multiple words without seeing that
weary hazel
my screen resolution is changed after the update
shrewd phoenix
Hey anyone know any good worlds for skins??
radiant acorn
valid void
sterile ingot
Unlikely
fervent tree
@carmine nebula Every figure out your issue?
I have a friend that's having an issue as well
sterile ingot
They'll just make this version better. It's not the end of patches and working on the next big update.
gray kelp
Unity 2018 🖕
carmine nebula
So gonna import in 2018 and re upload
Which means I get to track down my commissioners.. Yaaayyyyy.....
frosty veldt
Do you at least have the files?
carmine nebula
The recent ones will be taken care of
vocal shard
Wats wrong with vrc right now
carmine nebula
Or at least my past three uploads
red dawn
@vocal shard everything
vocal shard
Did it update
red dawn
@vocal shard basically the updated tanked everything
sterile ingot
Big update
carmine nebula
The IK Runs very smooth and everything. Just the toggle system hate me in fullbody close to the floor
It puts me on my stomach
sterile ingot
Use advance settings?
vocal shard
Every update has bugs that need to be worked out. It takes a bit of time, but the team is asking for bug feedback through the canny website so they can refine things
Im a desktop user and im stuck in the menu screen
deft iron
Jamie providing a quality service during the time of crisis.
carmine nebula
It could be much worse. It could be another unity 2017 nightmare
carmine nebula
Imagine being able to use custom emotes
deft iron
no
carmine nebula
F
deft iron
dont need your filthy pepe meme emotes
sterile skiff
The network IK is so better now
carmine nebula
I dont need your filthy attitude
vocal shard
This situation aint as bad as back in 2018... let the update bugs be fixed and we can resume playing >~<
carmine nebula
Dab
deft iron
loool
crude torrent
how to fix something went wrong screen
vocal shard
Hi
sterile skiff
I've been getting a lot of freezes but otherwise that's a nice update
vocal shard
I'm logging in again
deft iron
The games must be sacrificed, for the future to progress.
quick kayak
Updated engine, different compiler, etc @gilded spade
gilded spade
Noooo
half notch
i just hope they fix my touch controller issue
chilly swallow
O.o
gilded spade
My favorite worlds, first neutered by the quest updates, now dead
chilly swallow
Choctic evil?
half notch
anyone else having touch controller issues?
gilded spade
And they introduced udon, to make it easier to do what again?
half notch
from the CV1?
quick kayak
Easier to do a lot of things for world builders.
So you should expect more gamey worlds, rather than what we have now.
gilded spade
I know, for them to make game worlds
quick kayak
then why ask?
fresh prism
What
gilded spade
But the vrc ones, they had to die for it
quick kayak
This isn't new, this has happened before in other engine updates, I literally told you why a few replies back...
gilded spade
All my questions have been rhetorical, no need to answer literally
And I don't remember them being as disabled as they are now
The previous big update didn't do this
leaden finch
Please devs DO NOT DO ANYTHING to the Loading world times n shit rn. IT WORKS
deft iron
Wanna sell me your controllers?
serene robin
nty lol
deft iron
The best I can do is $30
humble geode
Why not just vibe on desktop for a little while and use vr again when they fix it? I have the rift s, but I go on desktop when I've been on vr too long.
serene robin
because i have an avatar im working on that i wanna test 😄
analog pebble
Do anyone know that mully is on
twin fractal
broke my controllers too and I literally made a video showing the problem a month ago when it was still in beta
serene robin
and what was the problem?
ruby burrow
Felt it would be worth dropping a little warning around since I've already seen two examples of people making this mistake and messing up their projects. Don't use the new SDK3 on existing projects. It's for new ones using UDON only. If you want to convert a project to use UDON, make a copy of the project and investigate how to correctly convert that.
https://gyazo.com/6464c1f246697349c3d4164edc052101
twin fractal
controllers stop being detected the moment you get in game @serene robin
they work in steamvr and then disappear in vrchat
serene robin
yikes
hopefully they fix it soon. but if its been going on since testing thats no good
unborn finch
Hello Could someone help me is there a way for me to hear audio in BedroomTheatre that has windows 10 player enabled instead of win 7 ? I'm currently on win 7 so If I join room that uses win10 I can't hear any audio from the player
quick kayak
Update to the superior win10
unborn finch
a serious answer if anyone could.
quick kayak
Still supported and updated, more features, modernized, etc.
unborn finch
that is not what I'm asking about
quick kayak
But it's a solution.
twin fractal
you can't update to win 10 anymore?
quick kayak
You can.
vocal shard
@twin fractal bruh
twin fractal
win7 doesn't even support vr. kinda silly to expect compatibility in vrc
@vocal shard bruh
unborn finch
ok if you do not know the answer to the thing im asking about
vocal shard
I'm sadly running win7 💔
unborn finch
thanks for your ínput but take it somewhere else
vocal shard
Ya boi's too poor
twin fractal
this is not your chat lol
vocal shard
Nerd
^
Neony, you're the one who should be taking questions to #user-support-old lol
So in your own words
Guys
"thanks for your input, but take it somewhere else"
unborn finch
finally someone usefull
vocal shard
Calm down please
? wdym calm down
You act as if there's an all out brawl going on lol
quick kayak
Win 10 is free though...
gilded spade
It is not free
quick kayak
OK so you're telling me I can't go to their website, install the OS to my flash drive and tell it I don't have a key, install and have a watermark saying to activate windows 10, but still have 99% functionality? Something I've done multitudes of time? Ok buddy
fossil root
You can literally install Windows 7 or 8.1, activate it, even illegally. run the setup.exe from an ISO or straight upgrade from Media Creation Tool. And you will end up with activated Windows 10.
gilded spade
OK buddy
quick kayak
Win10 keys go for under 10 bucks
gilded spade
No, it's not free
vocal shard
You can still upgrade to windows 10 for free
unborn finch
I just really hate when I ask specific question on an instance of problem and a mortally challanged person who doesn't know shit comes in with just install win10 bruh. If I wanted that do you think I wouldn't already have it.
vocal shard
Microsoft wants everyone on their platform
quick kayak
I've installed win 10 so many times without a key... this dude lol
vocal shard
geez... y'all are fucking toxic 😂
quick kayak
Win 7 is old and unsupported, you gain nothing from staying on it.
vocal shard
just like me
gilded spade
So, in effect, not free
unborn finch
ok thanks for your 0 iq input.
fossil root
You lose a lot from staying on it.
quick kayak
If it does, which has never had for me, you go and buy a cheap key anywhere other than officially.
it's still official, it still works.
vocal shard
"General VRChat conversation."
quick kayak
Just noticed.
gilded spade
So what you're saying is buy a key through questionable means, that equates to being free?
quick kayak
No, I mean installing win10_OS though their official website, literally for free, is being free...
gilded spade
No u
vocal shard
If you still have your windows 7 or 8 product key, you can still upgrade to windows 10 for free. That's all that's being said
I'd just like to get off my shitty gtx 650 first
before installing OS's
nd tbh... an entire new computer as a whole
this POS is 8 years old
gilded spade
That is not what he said, he said you can install it free simply from the website, not true
quick kayak
Regardless if you have 7, or 8, you can go on the website and still get it for free.
gilded spade
You need a previous key
quick kayak
No you don't lol
vocal shard
what website?
quick kayak
Check your DMs dude
gilded spade
It's not free on its own
gilded spade
Why are you dming me
tawny sable
does anyone know how to enable backface culling in poiyomi toon shader?
quick kayak
Because I can't share images here?
vocal shard
jay, what website dang it
gilded spade
I don't care
quick kayak
@tawny sable On Misc there should be the cull.
gilded spade
It's not something you need to dm me for
vocal shard
You can run it without a key, and just have the watermark and unchangeable desktop/features. Some PCs even come from the store like that... For some reason 
tawny sable
tgx
quick kayak
I should, since you can't read, that image shows you exactly where it says "I don't have a product key" and guess what happens after that? It installs windows, woah.
You're welcome.
gilded spade
I did that too, it does not last forever
vocal shard
o microsoft, im dumb
quick kayak
Done with your dumbass lol
twin fractal
imagine
quick kayak
Yes apex, on the site, download the tool, put your flashdrive and install it there, then just boot up through that.
timber zephyr
d
vocal shard
noice
timber zephyr
How to fix i can't join game vr chat now !
gilded spade
Just know that it will eventually ask you to buy a key unlike what he's saying
quick kayak
Do you have $10 on you? Cool, go to many legit websites that sell win 10 and pro versions for ~10, sometimes more, sometimes less.
mighty niche
link em kthx 2 lazy to search 4 em myself
gilded spade
"free"
fossil cedar
anybody want to join me on vrchat? im new
quick kayak
I know someone with an un-activated win 10 and has had it for years, but he's just lucky.
You must be poor as hell if you can't afford a 10 dollar key for win 10.
vocal shard
i already miss the toxic vrchat client users
quick kayak
Hell no lol
gilded spade
I purchased the actual thing
vocal shard
wish they'd come back and portal spam me
quick kayak
Well you're not very smart if you actually go and spend that much money for a win 10 key lol
vocal shard
just for old times sake
quick kayak
Nah, they can go elsewhere, I'm tired of the sensitive script kiddies booting for no reason.
gilded spade
Nope, just not poor at all like that
vocal shard
george is that you in your PFP
upbeat dew
Does this new update mean Linux support, even if it's just uploading with the SDK?
vocal shard
Vrchat isn't booting up in vr or desktop mode, i even uninstalled it and reinstalled it. is anyone else having this issue?
upbeat dew
Yeah, on one of my Linux PCs but not the other.
obtuse harbor
anyone know when they usually get an oculus rift patch? 😢
faint skiff
the game locking up when loading avatars is not nice...
half notch
CallMeJay me and dooby are having an issue where because of the update is has stopped detacting our controllers on start up
twin fractal
and me
quick kayak
Not me, my game has been running better with the new update.
half notch
what VR are you using?
half notch
what VR kit ar eyou using?
HTC? index?
oculus?
someone is having issues with their index controllers too
obtuse harbor
cant even read the analogs
half notch
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/vr-controllers-are-not-recognized-at-all-after-vrchat-launches
@twin fractal all well and good but even there isnt a answer in there
twin fractal
I'm using WMR