vrchat-general-2

[dark narwhal]

Soon

[vocal shard]

not working oof

[errant vault]

I'm still anticipating by making map and the bots that will play with you

The robot in my pfp

[vocal shard]

@small wing https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/SinglePassStereoRendering.html

[dark narwhal]

I need bots to replace nonexistent friends

[vocal shard]

shows how you convert UV coords properly

[small wing]

That is the exact documentation that caused me to message you.

[vocal shard]

but it's right there

[small wing]

It does plenty of explaining why i need to do what it says, but I have little to no idea where to put the code it mentions.

I'm basically adapting a shader that I have edited to work in vr

[dark narwhal]

Is it possible to make a shader that can only be seen in mirrors?

[vocal shard]

@dark narwhal you check if you are rendered by a mirror and if you're not you clip or discard the pixels

{
    return unity_CameraProjection[2][0] != 0.f || unity_CameraProjection[2][1] != 0.f;
}``` courtesy of merlin

[dark narwhal]

My hero

[vocal shard]

@dark narwhal you know what to do with that right?

[small wing]

My biggest learning curve here is i need to understand where the code goes. But the only way i'm going to learn how to do these things confidently is to have it laid out in front of me.

[dark narwhal]

Nope but hours of testing might get me somewhere ive only messed with a few things in shader coding

[small wing]

If i don't know where something goes, its useless information knowing what it does.

[vocal shard]

dude, again, I wanna help you but you need to know what you're doing

[errant vault]

YouTube the subject

[vocal shard]

you have UV coordinates, and they mess up

[small wing]

That I understand.

[vocal shard]

because there's two screens

[small wing]

I understand why everything isn't working, again i just need a better explanation for the code provided in the documentation.

You seem to think i have to know everything in advance in order to get an answer, but i told you that i'm learning stuff as i go.

There are going to be small things i forget, or don't pick up on immediately.

If you provided a way to do it and possibly explained a bit, then it would help solidify my understanding.

[atomic tusk]

Fill my eyes with that double vision

No disguise for that double vision

[vocal shard]

how far are you? what is the shader doing?

[small wing]

Its basically done for desktop, its a post processing depth of field effect. https://gyazo.com/4f36f02c2b3d5350a7fe1f67f080ad97

[vocal shard]

do you know what it does?

[small wing]

It takes screen space coordinates and a grabpass offsetting it to look blurred.

[vocal shard]

right, so you have a grabpass but the UV are for both screens at once

[small wing]

Exactly. My issue here is i don't understand how to separate that into both eyes.

Currently its double vision in the left eye (2 screens) and nothing in the right eye (stretched uv)

Let me see if i can get a steam vr screenshot to show you if it helps.

[vocal shard]

tex2Dproj(_GrabAssTexture, UNITY_PROJ_COORD(ComputeGrabScreenPos(UnityObjectToClipPos(input.worldPos))));

where worldpos is the world vertex

world vertex gets projected to clip space, clip position gets converted to grabpass position pixel XY, gets converted to texture space UV

[small wing]

@vocal shard I'm going to try and figure it out based on that, but just in case what i am saying sounds a bit convoluted. https://imgur.com/a/qSaLLrh

I will let you know when what you said works out.

I appreciate it

[safe prism]

ComputeGrabScreenPos

will do the math for VR if it needs to, that's the real takeaway from that

[small wing]

@safe prism I had ComputeGrabScreenPos in here. Not sure if i need to do anything for it to correct the double vision or not.

https://gyazo.com/8e75559e986decddc185b6b22c2bfae0

[safe prism]

can i see frag?

[small wing]

Keep in mind, this is a shader i am doing edits to without much knowledge beyond amplify.

Where would that code be located usually?

[safe prism]

looks like it'll be named "DrunkPS"

[small wing]

I assume you mean this? https://gyazo.com/a9e054a16713ad62304a262ceda42a36

[safe prism]

see pixelPosition? the input.pos.xy should likely be input.grabPos.xy

pos is gonna be the double vision UV, grabPos being the corrected one

[small wing]

And i would have to change that for every input.pos.xy i see?

[safe prism]

the .xy is less important but yeah

[small wing]

Thank you so much, I will give it a go and let you know if i notice any other issues.

[safe prism]

<3

[small wing]

I appreciate your help more than you know. ❤

[scarlet fox]

everyone ❤ feel free to send me pictures of your cute vrchat characters and i might draw them :3 (sorry if wrong channel)

[small wing]

@safe prism one last thing before i mess everything up. You mentioned input.grabPos but i also see this here. https://gyazo.com/6023a43430bd012a980ef97007eb0400

[safe prism]

that's gotta be there

[small wing]

So keep it as pos?

[safe prism]

mhm

without that, vertexes don't know where to be

[small wing]

and then also after saving the code it seems a bit off in the unity editor. is that fine?

I notice most shaders do this

[safe prism]

is it pink?

[small wing]

Nope, just looks like it got rid of everything under the cube the shader is on

[safe prism]

not really sure >n<

[small wing]

I will give it a test and let you know if it worked out

most times it just looks weird in unity but then in game its fine

@safe prism I think doing that made everything zoom in

[safe prism]

it will slightly

[small wing]

it did it a lot

like most likely more than what you say it did

[safe prism]

i don't really have the time to debug ;w;

[small wing]

I could keep messing with it, sorry for the trouble.

[safe prism]

you might need to do texel size things with the original .pos, then any texture sampling with grabPos

but that's my guess

[obtuse beacon]

I wish they would stop using @ everyone. Just post it

[covert chasm]

You can disable pings for at-everyone in Notification Settings.

[glossy wharf]

@rigid crescent i fuckin told you

[amber parcel]

holy fuck

tris limit raised from 30k to 70k

[cedar sleet]

Anyone else unable access #announcements

[floral aspen]

some people want to be notified of announcements

[craggy valve]

[floral aspen]

and limit was 20k not 30k

[amber parcel]

o

[stone current]

i cant read #announcements lmao

[rigid crescent]

Told me wut

[stone current]

[rigid crescent]

Oh patch notes

[glossy wharf]

The numbers are still bad

and avatar bounds are still taken into consideration

[cedar sleet]

We have access again!

[vocal shard]

😮

😮

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf your avatars are bad though :^)

[stone current]

[umbral reef]

Also active mods again
Second time today!

[rigid crescent]

Except I told you numbers would change which they did :3

[vocal shard]

[rigid crescent]

So technically I was right <3

[placid umbra]

@glossy wharf Avatar bounds are important 🤔

[vocal shard]

[rigid crescent]

:0 Tupper did you get my dm by any chance

[glossy wharf]

In comparison to other stuff that you can optimize, avatar bounds are the smallest thing to take into consideration though.

[rigid crescent]

Cause I'm actuslly about to test that

[glossy wharf]

imo should have the same extra rule the polys have

[covert chasm]

@rigid crescent I get tons of DMs

so uh

probably

[rigid crescent]

Oh i know

[glossy wharf]

But i like the other adjusted numbers

[rigid crescent]

Did you see it is what I should've said

[covert chasm]

i don't remember

sorry

[vocal shard]

they fix the problem that denied changing instances if ur latency was too high yet? :p

[formal surge]

xd

[placid umbra]

They determine when the avatar is culled, if you're not culling expensive avatars it adds up fast. They're also super easy to fix

[rigid crescent]

Ok no worries. I'm gonna test it noe anyway lol

[formal surge]

xdxdxdxdx

xdxdxdxd

xd

[solid fiber]

(^=ФᆺФ) pounce @placid umbra

[vocal shard]

Exactly 355 days after the "Increase the polygon limit" request started on the Canny... they finally increase polygon count limit.

[placid umbra]

@solid fiber 📖

[distant charm]

@formal surge Please don't spam

[vocal shard]

inb4 ban

[tidal aspen]

Will playlists only show public worlds?

[floral aspen]

Better late than never

[glossy wharf]

Im aware that the culling is determined by the bounds, but if everything else is optimized the avatar shouldnt be a problem when being rendered.

[floral aspen]

but people don't optimize

[rigid crescent]

Have the numbers changed since last time? I just woke up ;_;

[placid umbra]

Right, but it's something that people should be aware of. In most cases, the times I've seen huge bounds were an accident and the person didn't know

[opaque hawk]

Can’t wait to try the beta

[rigid crescent]

Lots of optimization is due to people not knowing lol

[covert chasm]

@vocal shard Something being suggested on the Canny does not imply implementation in any sort of time period. 🤔

[glossy wharf]

But thats what the sdk warning are for no?

[tidal aspen]

SDK warnings before didn't do that much

[vocal shard]

Except when it's one of the top most requested feature with the most upvotes ever.

[tidal aspen]

and it only prevented >5m

[umbral reef]

Because the SDK warnings before where also wrong/bad 👀

[copper gulch]

It's gonna be implemented in.....something years

[umbral reef]

With the new warnings its a lot more usefull atleast

[median basalt]

Wait, so

Do we need a new SDK or can we just use the Station component?

[umbral nova]

20k polys lagging people lmao

[placid umbra]

You'll need the new SDK

[umbral nova]

Or rather 10k

[covert chasm]

You should always use the latest SDK meant for the version you're using

[tacit plank]

Are the SDK limits enforced serversided this time? Just wondering

[vocal shard]

People playing on Pentium Dual Core lol

[rigid crescent]

read the patch notes

[median basalt]

Where do I get the new beta SDK? There doesn't seem to be one in #open-beta-info

Oh nvm

That is the one. Discussion just isn't open yet.

[umbral reef]

@glossy wharf Guess we got new stuff to write 👀

[rigid crescent]

oh its on in the patch notes this time nani

[copper gulch]

I dun wanna

»All avatars are cubes from blender«

[mighty socket]

If you upload an avatar using the new SDK, can it be used in the current live version of the game?

[torn nebula]

Is the #open-beta-discussion channel still meant to be locked?

[covert chasm]

@median basalt

[umbral nova]

Sai is severely angry now?

[rigid crescent]

oh, yes it is. REad the patch notse caffeine :3

[median basalt]

@covert chasm that link gives me a 404 but thanks

[umbral nova]

Tupper lmao

[covert chasm]

weird

checking

[rigid crescent]

damn rekt

[umbral nova]

The arrows

[amber quiver]

bless tupper ❤

[median basalt]

The #open-beta-info channel is pretty far down and the discussion channel isn't open yet so I got confused

[royal pond]

So the #open-beta-discussion channel seems to still be read-only

[frail escarp]

Wowie a new update

[torn nebula]

It's open now looks like

[vocal shard]

USGADFIUGIAFSADF

[drifting adder]

Coming Soon ™

[vocal shard]

Sorry. Couldn't keep myself together on the chair thing.

[vast tulip]

@solid fiber ❤

[covert chasm]

SDK link fixed

[rigid crescent]

Announcement loading screen!

[sly veldt]

mm hmm

[solid fiber]

pounce @vast tulip

[covert chasm]

We really wanted to hammer home how cloning works so people don't get confused 😃

[small wing]

Where is the beta SDK located again?

[covert chasm]

#open-beta-info

[small wing]

Thanks

super excited

[limpid dawn]

xd ordered a virtual reality head set did i make the right choice

[umbral reef]

People dont read though
They will still spread around there own interpratation of the system

[drifting adder]

Soon you'll get to hug a uganda knuckles @limpid dawn

[frail escarp]

A new update is coming

[limpid dawn]

noice

[drifting adder]

@umbral reef where do we read about it

[frail escarp]

Where you can put chairs on avatars and copy avatars

That will be so broken

[umbral reef]

@drifting adder The information itself can be found on https://docs.vrchat.com/v2018.4.4/docs/latest-release (Left bar and the SYSTEMS for the trust and avatar cloning stuff)

But just read it right and else ask if you are unsure about something or see some dumb stuff-
Its easy to understand it wrong, mainly the cloning so

[small wing]

I'm making a system on my avatar where people can ride a drone that follows me around 😮

[vocal shard]

This is coming along faster than i expect

[gleaming patio]

vr users gonna puke

[small wing]

and the drone acts independantly

[drifting adder]

What I'm wondering is why is it called cloning instead of it being like a "mobile pedestal" kind of thing

Makes it sound like it's being copied right into the users personal avatars

[simple crow]

70k Polygons

[small wing]

@vocal shard im beyond excited to use the drone prefab you made

[gleaming patio]

christmas is ruined

[frail escarp]

is that a good thing that we can have 70k polygons?

[simple crow]

Yea

[umbral reef]

@frail escarp Makes uploading avatars easier-

[gleaming patio]

not like today anyone friggin cares :/

[frail escarp]

YES

[gleaming patio]

"lol why cant i upload my 140k character"

[drifting adder]

my avatars will be so smooth

[placid umbra]

In testing someone made a working helicopter with a rope ladder using stations, I'm really excited to see what people do with them

[simple crow]

I can now add items to my avatars without making them look like they got shit out

[umbral reef]

Just make sure to optimize everything else if you plan to push that 70K cap

[drifting adder]

I am around 30k

[carmine dew]

this beta notes

[vocal shard]

So hyped for chairs

[carmine dew]

are amazing

[gleaming patio]

i wonder if the performance meter will force people down a peg

[simple crow]

YEA

[frail escarp]

I wonder when it will come the update

[raven silo]

lol low cpu user are save now

[sly veldt]

so much fun stuff in this

[vocal shard]

also now everyone who was above the poly limit are coming out
Lol

[simple crow]

THIS UPDATE IS A CHRISTMAS GIFT

[sly veldt]

🎅

[drifting adder]

It'll be fun to sit on the shoulders of giants

[sly veldt]

it's a lot of fun

[carmine dew]

finally all above 20k poly people are free at last hahaaaaaa

[gleaming patio]

or of big fat ugly bastard avatars

[simple crow]

And the hack client users who break the polygon count

[candid acorn]

What is avx? 🤔

[glossy wharf]

an instruction set

[vocal shard]

sharing named playlists of worlds with your friends is so cool

[simple crow]

I wonder when the they will try to break down on the hacked clients

[candid acorn]

Also I suppose this is related to why favorite list disappeared from the menu?

[simple crow]

Some one them are crashing peoples games

[gleaming patio]

the avx requirement broke the game for older processor generations

[frail escarp]

This will be a good update

[gleaming patio]

which they now fixed

[vocal shard]

@candid acorn yeah, the faves are moved to the playlists

[covert linden]

Even some new systems dont have an avx

[simple crow]

One guy shot me with there gun and I crashed

[sly veldt]

not possible if you have safety settins on

[gleaming patio]

reminds me of friggin sword art online @simple crow

[covert linden]

Wait the avx problem is fized? @gleaming patio

[sly veldt]

also, every release has MAJOR updates to security

[small wing]

already the avatar performance in the sdk is amazing.

[gleaming patio]

yeah seems like it

[covert linden]

Brb didnt get pinged for announcements

[small wing]

good work guys.

[simple crow]

Thats good

[candid acorn]

Could've saved that for the actual update instead of making it poof suddenly in the current release

[sly veldt]

@candid acorn saved what?

[vocal shard]

🤔

[gleaming patio]

nobody tested it with FIRST GENERATION i-series cpus

i suppose

[frail escarp]

This is an epic update

[formal surge]

xd

[candid acorn]

The fav menu being missing from the current release

[covert linden]

Idk if thats true or only in the beta

The closed beta opened fasst wow

[small wing]

This new system is way more detailed than i expected. 🙏

[candid acorn]

Favorite worlds, that is

[sly veldt]

@candid acorn that had to go due to major server side updates for playlists.

[gleaming patio]

you'd have to have something like https://ark.intel.com/en/products/37148/Intel-Core-i7-940-Processor-8M-Cache-2-93-GHz-4-80-GT-s-Intel-QPI- to trigger the error

[simple crow]

Yea why is the fav menu gone?

[frail escarp]

i hope we will can put more favourites avatars

[ruby burrow]

All ye of little faith! Behold!
"- Stations (seats/chairs) can once again be mounted on avatars"

[gleaming patio]

launc date 2008

[sly veldt]

Playlists replaces it. there's a reasoning behind things

[frail escarp]

SAME AS ME

My favourite menu is gone too

[simple crow]

Where is it?

[vocal shard]

@simple crow it's back and called playlists and now you can make lists and name them and share them with people

[sly veldt]

Playlists is not ready for full use or testing at this moment

still being worked on. coupla bugs

[simple crow]

Where do--- oh

[ruby burrow]

Ouch, Jaime no. xD

[frail escarp]

plz let us favourite more avatars

[sly veldt]

So I'd not use it too heavily yet

[frail escarp]

3 is too low

[floral aspen]

Are we allowed to ask the reasoning for replacing the favorites list with playlists?

[sly veldt]

Hah. I'd like to fave more avatars too. reasons behind that also.

[distant charm]

Also with avatar cloning and avatar chairs coming back you can totally stack avatars on top of each other with ease

[placid umbra]

As mentioned, there are some issues with world favorites/playlists that are being fixed. You should see your existing favorite worlds come back once those things are sorted out

[sly veldt]

@floral aspen playlists ARE favorites. it will remember all your favorite worlds

[simple crow]

So just a little thing will you guys ever make it so when you search something then select a world then go back you dont have to re search that thing again?

[tepid wren]

oof

[sly veldt]

favorites are just a "private" playlist

[tepid wren]

using cloth instnat "Very poor" 😂

[small wing]

@sly veldt This might sound like a bit of an odd question, but does the chairs support custom animators when on an avatar?

I would love to play with it

[floral aspen]

ahhh okay

[sly veldt]

Can't get into tech details here. I gotta run soon

there will be docs

or someone from community will answewr

[small wing]

Alright, sounds good enough.

[placid umbra]

@small wing Most likely yes, but experimentation would be good

[candid acorn]

👽

[vocal shard]

@simple crow https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/back-should-return-to-search-results pls vote

[frail escarp]

i wonder when the update will come , i'm so excitited

[simple crow]

yes

[candid acorn]

Oh shit, that is a big upvote for sure

[simple crow]

I want that back

[candid acorn]

It's the most frustrating thing

[simple crow]

It is

[sly veldt]

UI (back to search) has a major update coming. So that canny will be a bit obsolete

[vocal shard]

oh nice, even better

The announcement screen on loading scared me at first lol

[small wing]

@placid umbra If anything i can always give it a try myself, would be interesting as i plan on making a cloud that people can sit on which follows me around. kinda need the chair to force the player into a cross leg position. I will give it a shot. 😄

This new update has me wayy too excited. I remember when chairs got removed, i was so upset.

Having this back sort of breathes new life into creating stuff on avatars. ❤

[simple crow]

I can't wait for it

Wait when did discord add a gifs button?

[rigid crescent]

remember that one time someone tried to tell m shonzo's avatars were within 20k

[vocal shard]

Oh you can disable "avatar cloning" from settings, niceeee

[simple crow]

🎄 🎁

[rigid crescent]

which one of you clowns was that? @tacit plank ?

[solid fiber]

pounce present

[simple crow]

The present need a key to unlock

[vocal shard]

@vocal shard that toggles all your avatars off, if you have them uploaded as private they cannot be cloned afaik

[simple crow]

you can buy a key at the credits store

[solid fiber]

pounce unlock all! (^=ФᆺФ)

[simple crow]

for 5$

[whole lodge]

What's the report email again? [e-mail] ?

[placid umbra]

Public or Private, if you have the Settings menu option checked off nobody can clone your avatar

[rigid crescent]

OH LOL IT WAS SVEL!

[simple crow]

You got a common brown shirt

[rigid crescent]

who talks to Svel? Roast him for me.

[placid umbra]

@whole lodge Yes

[vocal shard]

Oh good

my wording was a little confusing 😅

[whole lodge]

@placid umbra appreciate it

[glad hazel]

wait.... did yall see that announcement?

triangles and plodys is tris right?

70k limit instead of 20k limit they r saying?

[vocal shard]

Yes

[simple crow]

Yea

IT'S AMAZING

[glad hazel]

It is amazing

[umbral reef]

Yea! But now you finally need to optimize all your other shit!

[vocal shard]

but I understand that avatars uploaded as private are automatically not to be cloned, toggle your public ones with the menu setting at once

[glad hazel]

though i've always decimated my models for over a year now......

[umbral reef]

And fyi- That aint sarcastic or negative
Im happy we have social pressure for optimazation now

[floral aspen]

now you won't have to decimate as much

same Oclac

[glad hazel]

I suppose it is good.. Sometimes decimation has issues with hair and such for quality.

[vocal shard]

Should still try to optimize... But you have more leeway now

[umbral reef]

Just dont like how it works but eh-

[gusty spear]

This is gonna be the best. Update. EVER. Updating my avatars might be a pain but it'll be worth it so I can give lolis Rapidash back rides!

[inner cape]

scaled down the bounds, avatar went from very poor to medium

thanks vrchat

[umbral reef]

But shit- Now i gotta make a "SHAME SHAME SHAME" avatar for unoptimized peeps

[vocal shard]

@umbral reef https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DurshAXU8AAnnoF.jpg:large

now we wait for the reaction when majority of the players avatars appear as poor

[placid umbra]

Also worth noting, stations have been fixed to be smooth again as well

[umbral reef]

Thats neat

[gusty spear]

Honestly I won't give a damn if my avatars are poor.

[umbral reef]

You should though

[floral aspen]

thats not good

with that attitude you are part of the problem

[rough pulsar]

It should be an automatic feature where a user with a very poor avatar gets followed around by this
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/636296785275654144/dU5Krzr0_400x400.jpg

[umbral reef]

@rough pulsar Lets start a gang 👏
We can share the assets for it and ezpz

[vocal shard]

I'd load up on colliders just for that.

[vale epoch]

Oh my god yessss

[inner cape]

I wanted to put colliders into my hands for my ears

guess not happening

[opaque hawk]

The moment of truth as arrived

[rough pulsar]

Accompanied with the appropriate audio
*ding* SHAME, *ding* SHAME, *ding* SHAME

[umbral reef]

But the problem is- You arent extremely optimized yourself with an animation like that
So you have no right to shame people

[rough pulsar]

With one audio source and one animation and the rest done right you're still within very good

[opaque hawk]

Can open beta people be able to play with people on the normal build?

[placid umbra]

Nope

[opaque hawk]

I thought as much but I felt the need to ask

[placid umbra]

Features usually make the different versions incompatible with each other

[bronze sun]

i guess its over with brushing trough your hair with your hands and stuff....

[bitter moth]

idk .-.

[vocal shard]

Just wish I could get very good without having cardboard hair. Hmmm.

[toxic canopy]

Is the open beta only on steam? I have vrchat on the oculus store

[floral aspen]

probably

[sly veldt]

yes

we can figure out in future ways to test on oculus with you guys

[toxic canopy]

Ok

[ruby burrow]

This new performance rating system seems like it should be pretty amazing for motivating people to optimise.
Will also create a few disputes and a bit of stress for some, but overall is beneficial to the games health.

[sly veldt]

It's not done yet either. Just the start

[floral aspen]

There isn't a way to opt in/out of betas on the oculus store. They'd probably have to have a separate download for a standalone client

[sly veldt]

Think of it as a useful tool for now

Not the completed thing

[queen mango]

There's more?

[sly veldt]

It's not perfect yet

[floral aspen]

Billy May's voice: BUT WAIT THERES MORE

[ruby burrow]

I feel like I can say that with confidence, since it's already making me re-prioritise optimising my damn skirt over working on new particle toys. ^ ^;

[sly veldt]

Just like all things it's best to get it out and have you guys work with it then we'll add more to it including better ways to analyze avatars

[candid acorn]

How about an option to toggle dynamic bones. That would be nice

[sly veldt]

Please post requests in canny

things will get lost in here

[ruby burrow]

"I'll do it tomorrow. Can't be too hard to merge a few bones..." etc etc

[floral aspen]

I'd be surprised if a dyna bone toggle wasn't already in the works

[candid acorn]

It's already on the canny

[vocal shard]

it promotes optimizations. But there's also people who have very optimized avatars getting poor ratings, and it doesn't promote optimizing when people who have put effort into optimizing are being told "this is very bad". Kinda a spirit breaker.

[candid acorn]

And the last post you made points to what I assume is this update

[sly veldt]

The perf stuff has some stages to go through. This is step 1

[vocal shard]

@ruby burrow i think that's the point. If they give us hard limits people wil fight it. If they give us more freedom, but now we're self conscious.... We're more likely to optimize

[candid acorn]

Speaking of dynamic bones, I recall that the game was ignoring the custom culling values and setting em to default, was that ever fixed?

[ruby burrow]

Yeah, I've always said something along these lines would be the best method.

[bitter moth]

i have a question probly a dumb one do you have to update vrc to see the update? update steam or? im hella lost

[vocal shard]

hope the performance rating comes to worlds in the future

[floral aspen]

If you can see how unoptimized people's avatars are now people can encourage others to optimize

@bitter moth this is a beta, the update hasn't been released to everyone yet

[vocal shard]

public shaming

[ruby burrow]

@candid acorn I assumed that's intentional.

[bitter moth]

thx

[candid acorn]

intentional
I assure you it wasn't, considering the default is as large as most maps.

And if you set it lower it also was setting it to default

I haven't tested It in some time though

So I dont know if its still doing that

[sly veldt]

@vocal shard yup. you wanna walk into a public pug and disrupt everyone's good time with your 1000 dyanmic bones and 32 draw calls then yeah, I wanna know it's you doing that. Change avatar or let me know so I can block your avatrs.

[ruby burrow]

The default is 20 isn't it? In game it works out far smaller than you've expect.

[sly veldt]

@vocal shard but go ahead and do that with your friends in a private instance

[candid acorn]

20 is still a pretty large area.

[vocal shard]

@sly veldt exactly

[sly veldt]

all good

[candid acorn]

I had mine set to like 5 or so. No need to have them on when someone isn't even near me

[ruby burrow]

I've messed around with Naga avatars and flying worms built entirely out of dynamic bones. They turn into a stick pretty quickly. (Which is fair)

[umbral reef]

You know im still the most hyped about not having to explain that its not just polygons but mainly other stuff causing problems

[sly veldt]

This is a community of builders. Some are also new to avatar creation. Personally, I like to know stats and rules. I can make things to suit the context of the experience

High perf for large public rooms with crowds. low perf for small instances with friends

[ruby burrow]

I suppose it would make sense if it were possible to allow lower culling values. For those smaller details.

[sly veldt]

This is step one of a system that just shows some stats

and not even super perfectly. there's still stuff it's gonna call out a little wrong

[candid acorn]

Just in general. When I tested it, 20 was just too large.

[sly veldt]

Over time you'll see more systems and tools to help you and vrchat as a whole

[candid acorn]

Maybe it's just me.

[bronze sun]

(Jadneheute um 23:12 Uhr
it promotes optimizations. But there's also people who have very optimized avatars getting poor ratings, and it doesn't promote optimizing when people who have put effort into optimizing are being told "this is very bad". Kinda a spirit breaker.) i second that, all my stuff is in the green for very good, but i get a very poor rating for having dynamic bone hair and 2 colliders in my hands

[sly veldt]

If you read the docs it's a non-perfect tool

[umbral reef]

Yea but thats not optimized at all though

[sly veldt]

it'll improve

[umbral reef]

Dynamic bones and colliders are EXTREMELY unoptimized

[sly veldt]

I'd not get hung up too much on the tool and it's rating display.

[umbral reef]

But pushing it but eh-

[sly veldt]

IF you know you are good then cool

Gotta do this in stages

[ruby burrow]

Also as someone mentioned, an optimisation rating/benchmark for worlds would also be amazing, even if purely for the fact it could help drag people out of that pointless "Lag Free Box".

[sly veldt]

That will come later after UDON

scripting, which nobody is thinking about yet, will lower perf

[vocal shard]

When is udon? 😉

[floral aspen]

Oh trust me, I'm always thinking about scripting

[sly veldt]

Cos as much as there's poor avatar perf there will be a lot of new people making poorly performing udon noodles

[umbral reef]

Im fairly sure peeps are wanting to script anything and everything but dont push for it as well-

[ruby burrow]

Can't stand people trying to drag me there. There's so many other good worlds that are virtually indistinguishable in performance costs, without being a boring empty eye sore.

[floral aspen]

I've been waiting patiently since the playmaker announcement

[vocal shard]

same

[sly veldt]

UDON is high priority. Major effort was made to try and get it done for an open beta for the holidays but it needs some more time.

It's a MAJOR undertaking but will be worth it

[floral aspen]

Understandable

[sullen escarp]

so it's almost done then?

[sly veldt]

Gonna be rad tho

[umbral reef]

Its tbh insane how much progress is being made the past few updates compared to a while ago

[ruby burrow]

Ron, when is the alien body pillow being added to the VRC merch store? :v

[vocal shard]

Aghh will be worth the wait

[floral aspen]

I can only imagine what goes into making a system like that

[sly veldt]

There's an internal test for team over the holiday to mess with it.

[sullen escarp]

😮

[sly veldt]

@floral aspen yeah, let's build scripting securely into a UGC platform

in VR

lol

Oh, and while Unity needs and update

and everything is moving all the time

Easy!

haha

[sullen escarp]

always fun shooting moving targets while standing on a treadmill

[sly veldt]

Believe me. I'm a game designer. Have been for 30 years. I'm SUPER interested in UDON getting done.

[floral aspen]

Yup, why haven't you just pressed the make udon button yet?

[ruby burrow]

@umbral reef My assumption for the past five months has been that the Unity version update was chewing up most of the development hours. Or otherwise setting back projects that could otherwise be released sooner.

[sly veldt]

@floral aspen oh crap. I missed that button

😛

[simple crow]

UDON?

[sullen escarp]

yes custom noodle maker

[umbral reef]

@ruby burrow Tbh seeing how my own team makes progress its an exact mirror
One month its update and change every second
Then its a slow grind for a few months

[queen mango]

So the myth is still strong?

[simple crow]

Whats that?

[vocal shard]

Udon will open up soooo many opportunities, can't wait

[floral aspen]

Custom scripting engine

[umbral reef]

Ron just hire more devs :^)
Just get donations going and ezpz 20 more devs for a month what totally means 20x more effective people working on things

[simple crow]

Oh

[ruby burrow]

Also, that... and putting out all the fires certain unwanted members of the community have been starting, trying to break the game.

[queen mango]

What to do with their salaries, though?

[simple crow]

is udon like visually codeing?

[umbral reef]

Man that just hurt my soul typing that

[floral aspen]

@simple crow yes

[sly veldt]

Ah. If it was just that easy

[solid fiber]

more dev not always mean better output 😮

[floral aspen]

^^^

[simple crow]

OOOOOOH

[queen mango]

True. You gotta consider their background too

[vocal shard]

More devs more problems

[ruby burrow]

Never helps when you're trying to build something, and a bunch of script kiddies insist on trying to rip it apart.

[sly veldt]

"9 women can't have a baby in a month" - old engineering saying

[floral aspen]

Software development is one thing where throwing money at it doesn't always mean faster or better output

[queen mango]

Or to mention differing opinions about something

[umbral reef]

@sly veldt Unless you work ina tech startup- Then they want you do it within 1 week with 3 woman

[opaque hawk]

I’m studying coding, it’s a slow process

[sly veldt]

I've been doing this for 30 years. I've seen every way of it being done.

[umbral reef]

@floral aspen Often it even works worse then
Small teams can make higher quallity content on a more regular pace from my experience when its complex stuff

[solid fiber]

@opaque hawk do your best! o/

[craggy hinge]

the seats on avatars sounds cool.. I wish the also add a pickup component for avatars

you don't get that freedom with seats

[sly veldt]

pickups/props/inventory is a big system I'd like to add but that will be a bit. Also pets.

[ruby burrow]

I've been saving assets for the chairs thing for so long.

[vocal shard]

Pets!

[floral aspen]

I guess you could make a pseudo pickup by adding seats to your hands and have people sit in them

[ruby burrow]

Should be fun.

[vocal shard]

Ohhh Inventory yess

[umbral reef]

We already got pets 👀
They just sit infront of a mirror right now and are hard to pull away from there but eh-

[floral aspen]

Inventory is another thing I'm super excited for

[earnest ermine]

wouldn't mind being a pet

[queen mango]

Pets?! 👀

[sly veldt]

I've always wanted to find a way to have a cool fireside chat with people about vrchat and design without it turning into chaos or trolls

[candid acorn]

Ron I just want to say, your designer tag sticking out of the box really rustles my autism in game

[earnest ermine]

I'm optimization trained I swear

[vocal shard]

just put a mirror on your avatar.. there free pets

[sly veldt]

@mortal arch hah! I'm gonna leave it there now

[queen mango]

But.. my cats..

[sly veldt]

@vocal shard hah!

[languid beacon]

Is the new version of the SDK only for Beta use, or can i use it to upload to live?

[sly veldt]

I would def not use in live

[compact trench]

@modern sand i was banned on this discord for no reason can i get unbanned WOLFIE_OG p.s this is my friends acc

[sly veldt]

💥

[craggy hinge]

@sly veldt any plans to make avatars be able to be picked up? Not like seats, but a pickup component?

[vocal shard]

[opaque hawk]

@craggy hinge it’s planned on the canny

[placid umbra]

@compact trench You'll need to email [e-mail] to appeal that.

[languid beacon]

got myself down to 32K just in time wew

[compact trench]

mk

[craggy hinge]

is it? ok.. I only saw seats

[languid beacon]

Someone test an avatar standing still on a horizontally moving station

i wanna know if the legs are stationary

[umbral nova]

@compact trench Pinging Ruuubick asking for a ban lift will only get this account banned too

Gg you just yeeted yourself

[floral aspen]

yeah that's kinda ban evading if you think about it

[small wing]

"it is" ban evading.

[umbral nova]

Rule 23

[small wing]

get yeeted

[languid beacon]

Stations are good now \o/

[floral aspen]

and yeah, rule 23 is a no no

[umbral nova]

And rule 11

[floral aspen]

plus most of the time when some says they were banned for no reason, there usually is a reason

[languid beacon]

There's a problem with moving into a station via on enter collider trigger, since you are still trying to move you instantly unsit

[umbral nova]

I wouldn't be surprised if I got banned from here at this point with the stuff I've pulled

Ooph

[sly veldt]

@gaunt dagger that'd require a bunch more design and you saying you permit it or not and who and all that

It's easier to just do seats on avatars. Even those could probably user permissions.

[umbral nova]

Aev you're making me want reactions back in General more and more

[sly veldt]

That kinda thing sounds nice but we have MAJOR efforts underway and conflicting systems inbound. So short answer is no. Long answer is maybe someday

[umbral reef]

@umbral nova #TheDream

[languid beacon]

Aev add those emojis here for the other channels pleeease >)

[sly veldt]

Ok I gotta run. Hope that was helpful. I'll see you guys later or in VRChat

[languid beacon]

THANKS RON

[small wing]

I'm just waiting for when stereo sounds can be played on avatars

[queen mango]

Will be testing this open beta rn

[small wing]

Take care ron!

[craggy hinge]

seats just don't give that freedom of movement

[queen mango]

Hopefully they got beta user number counter

[umbral nova]

Seeya alien

[sly veldt]

ok we'll take 'em out then

[languid beacon]

Wait wait wait

[sly veldt]

just kidding..

[languid beacon]

Can we have non-immobilzing stations on avatars

[sly veldt]

byeee

[queen mango]

Jeez, Ron..

[small wing]

ron back at it again

[umbral reef]

Take care ron 👋

[umbral nova]

Drivable stations on avatars mmm

[craggy hinge]

take care

[queen mango]

Oh well, see you another time.

[languid beacon]

Oh my god

[queen mango]

Oh?

[gaunt dagger]

??? I said what now?

[languid beacon]

enough talk i need to try this stuff out

[umbral nova]

@languid beacon Lemme DM you something

[opaque hawk]

I just remembered, we can unironicly make car avatars again

[small wing]

It says this avatar contains an event handler and cannot be uploaded?

But im using the new sdk?

It also says stations found on avatar so im confused...

[opaque hawk]

Mmmm 🤔

Is there a opt into beta button in unity

[small wing]

Does it need the vrc trigger any more?

Because the vrc trigger is what would have been used to click on the chair.

[umbral reef]

@opaque hawk You can find the beta SDK within #open-beta-info

[opaque hawk]

Unless there is a separate station component

Oh I know

I’m chomping at the bit to get home from work and try the beta

[languid beacon]

There is no beta in unity, just install import the new beta sdk instead of the normal sdk

[median basalt]

https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/allow-sitting-in-your-own-chair

[hybrid zenith]

chairs are back on avatars

[median basalt]

I still wanna make a "vehicle" type of avatar, I can already make one but I can't use it myself.

[hybrid zenith]

hhhh

[strange vale]

I have a model that I need the chairs for

[floral aspen]

I have a car avatar, now I just need to add seats to it

[strange vale]

It’s a jet and all I need is a chair

[umbral nova]

@median basalt Remember the Uber Driver?

[median basalt]

Lmao

[umbral nova]

I have to put a seat on him

[small wing]

OH WAIT

[median basalt]

Yeah

[small wing]

I CAN MAKE A COLLIDER FLYING AVATAR AND BE A PLANE WITH SEATS

YO

[hybrid zenith]

yes

[strange vale]

I have been waiting for a chair component to return so I could add it to my age 2 Gundam flight form

[median basalt]

The chairs are actually really good, I just wish you could sit in your own somehow

[grave dagger]

Im hyped to try the smoother movement on chairs. It used to be super scuffed so hopefully its much better now

[median basalt]

It's so much better

[strange vale]

If I can get the chairs to work on it the I’m going to be hyped

[median basalt]

Chairs are just adding a VRC_Station component to an object

[grave dagger]

like moving in cars was a nauseating mess

[median basalt]

Try dragging in the chair prefab and deleting the event handler and trigger

[strange vale]

Where is the new beta Sdk with the chairs

[median basalt]

#open-beta-info

[strange vale]

Thanks

[ruby burrow]

I wonder if this has fixed this issues that Omega loved to gripe about.

[vocal shard]

It sounds like it might have

[empty wharf]

70 k poly count huh?

And seats will be back?

Bless

[vocal shard]

Mhmm ^^

[median basalt]

Well they were pretty serious issues

Lakuza's world was delayed because of the chair issues but they seem to be completely fixed.

[bronze sun]

well that performance check tool seems to be working, my avas bounds jump from very good to very poor by reloading the ckeck window

now its medium ranking.....

👌

[queen mango]

That reminds me.. he said something about a balljoint system for chairs..

[strange vale]

Now my question is will the chairs be here to stay in the both the beta and later in the main sdk or is it temporary

[idle elm]

Nice @bronze sun

[bronze sun]

the material count isnt right either x) i have 7 in unity and ingame it says 11, dont have stuff hidden in animations either

[vocal shard]

Yeah they're staying

[strange vale]

Nice so I can do it from the normal sdk as well or just this one in beta until the new official sdk is out with it

[empty wharf]

Though originally I never implemented seats in my models

My friends will be happy

[median basalt]

The chairs are staying

[raven silo]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-holidays-gif-10123965

discord add gif button

[sly veldt]

Chairs are staying.

Avatar stats is not perfect. Step 1 of a toolset that will be getting updated and more work behind it over time

At least something to start gauging things. As UDON comes in and scripts eat up performance you'll really want to know perf on avatars and eventually worlds

Chairs also full of issues. But hey, they are in. So enjoy.

[floral aspen]

speaking of performance I'm excited to see how big of a difference the IK optimizations will make

[near saffron]

Yep going to have a fun week messing around in unity with chairs

[sly veldt]

This build has a LOT of solid perf stuff

[bronze sun]

i hope you go easier on the dynamic bone rating, currently its basically only allowed to have 2 hand colliders when you only have 3 bones affected by it, to be not rated poor (staying under the 8 dynamic bone collision check count)

[median basalt]

I hope you will reconsider the ability to sit in your own chairs. Would be a shame to lose that.

I had some really cool ideas for vehicles and floating avatars that I'll have to scrap

[floral aspen]

What do you mean Rokk? Like spawning a chair with an animation and sitting in that?

[magic mango]

hello does anybody have a link left for nitro for my friend?

[median basalt]

@floral aspen sorta

I put a chair on my avatar at position 0 and I was able to sit in midair and float

[floral aspen]

ohhh okay

[median basalt]

Last time chairs were introduced that is

Right now it doesn't work anymore :/

[floral aspen]

oof

[median basalt]

I was gonna make a controllable flying machine. Tupper mentioned it would be "too confusing"

I opened a canny on it here in any case https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/allow-sitting-in-your-own-chair

Make sure to upvote it if you would like to see it too

[grim sonnet]

So, question......and please tell me if I'm in the wrong place.

I have a region/sim/world/server/place/thing/nightclub -- whatever y'all call in VR Chat, in another world that is also based off Unity. How hard would it be to uh...VRChat-ify it?

Also, new to VR Chat....so Hi!

[glossy wharf]

Dont ask to ask a question, just ask it

[grim sonnet]

I didn't know slowmode was on, that's why. My bad.

[glossy wharf]

Can you export as fbx?

[carmine nebula]

Hello? I keep Tposing

Everytime I restart

[glossy wharf]

Oh wait hold up

[grim sonnet]

I mean, it's an entire scene. So maybe? I'm also new-ish to Unity.

[glossy wharf]

Its also unity,

If it doesnt use Scripts it should be pretty easy

[grim sonnet]

Yeah, it's built in Unity but with a different virtual world's "editor pacK" -- basically, your SDK.

[glossy wharf]

Just make sure to optimize performance and it should be good to go.

[grim sonnet]

So, I guess remove the other world's "world specific scripts" first obviously

[glossy wharf]

Yes

[grim sonnet]

Okay. and I can just grab the pack VRChat uses off of their website, right?

[glossy wharf]

Yes you can download the sdk there

Might be useful to check a simple world making tutorial for vrchat to get the basics and work from there

[grim sonnet]

Okay, thanks for that @glossy wharf . I assume YouTube.

Okay. Random question, does VR Chat have a currency? How's the event/vr-nightlife scene? Does everyone use VR or do some use desktop viewers?

[umbral nova]

No currency

[glossy wharf]

Theres no currency, theres a lot of people especially with fullbodytracking going to clubs

[umbral nova]

This isn't second life

[glossy wharf]

Theres a lot of desktop players that go to club maps to have a good time anyway

[umbral nova]

Actually nvm there is a currency

[grim sonnet]

Well, I know that. It's not called Second Life. @umbral nova , now is it? haha

[umbral nova]

It's your framerate

[glossy wharf]

You can add animations to your models to dance as a desktop user

Will be pretty hard to get a club map done and used tho, theres a lot of established maps in that area

[grim sonnet]

I'm slowly learning how to use VR as someone who always played on a desktop. So, I'm eager to learn more about that. I know I wouldn't be able to DJ from VR, that's for sure.

[rigid crescent]

I met a wild Elire!

[grim sonnet]

I'm gonna have to do research into the full body tracking, I've seen some videos of its use and holy shit, that's awesome. haha

[glossy wharf]

Yup, so as i said, checking out a vrc world tutorial on yt will teach you the basics, from there its simple. You can ask any questions that pop up in the #world-development channel.

[grim sonnet]

The little bit of nightclubs that I have seen so far in VRChat seem to be very different than the kind I have created/ran/owned/operated. So we'll just have to see regarding entering in. 😛

Well, thank you for your help! I appreciate it.

[glossy wharf]

No worries, here to help and rant

[umbral nova]

@glossy wharf Apparently that Loli person isn't kicked, and in fact they only joined the server to ask that question. No previous message history

[glossy wharf]

VRC Discord moderation

[umbral nova]

Okay never mind, one single message

Asking how to mirror textures

[glossy wharf]

[umbral nova]

Okay buddy

[glossy wharf]

Wait

Huh

[empty wharf]

You heard the man,

Okay buddy

[grand zealot]

Any reason why I'm crashing on startup?

[fresh widget]

[ruby needle]

what cpu do you have @grand zealot

[glossy wharf]

@grand zealot most likely an old cpu

[grand zealot]

I have an I7-4790K.

[ruby needle]

make sure your drivers are up to date

else check #vrchat-support and follow the steps

[grand zealot]

My CPU definitely shouldn't be an issue here.

I launched again, and loaded in just fine; but that doesn't explain why the crash happened in the first place.

[ruby needle]

yep shouldn't

hmm might wanna schedule a ram check at some point.

always worth

[median basalt]

They closed it lmao https://vrchat.canny.io/open-beta/p/allow-sitting-in-your-own-chair

[vocal shard]

Rip

[median basalt]

Glad to see that our feedback is taken seriously

[rough flax]

Rip servers

[ocean bramble]

No chairs for you

[errant vault]

Rogur

[median basalt]

Was this even discussed with the devs, or...?

[umbral nova]

Was shot down way too quickly

[queen mango]

Which one?

[umbral nova]

Rokk's canny

[median basalt]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't even looked at

He just dismissed it immediately. I'm guessing he has no clue what I'm even talking about

[queen mango]

You sure Tuppie can see this?

[ocean bramble]

Tupper says

[queen mango]

[umbral nova]

Nou

[ocean bramble]

I have an idea. Now that we calculate the IK on our own system and send it to the others, what if we do the same with dynamic bones? Everyone calculates it on their own so it won't lag others anymore. Therefore the limits on them can be massively increased. 🤔

[median basalt]

Would probably be too much network traffic

[ocean bramble]

I guess, yes

But maybe worth looking into

[candid hare]

anyone else having server/friends list issues?

[queen mango]

None so far.

[torn nebula]

@ocean bramble https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/allow-dynamic-bones-computations-to-be-performed-on-the-wearing-client

[ocean bramble]

Upvoted 👍

[median basalt]

Like, they actually put effort into making sure that you can't sit in your own chairs

[ocean bramble]

[median basalt]

And then just dismiss any and all feedback

Like, I'm glad we got avatar chairs and that they aren't very restricted at all

But then you try to offer feedback and just get closed down with zero consultation, my last cannys have all been ignored or closed lol

[torn nebula]

@ocean bramble bandwidth needs would depend on the number of dynamic bones, the real advantage is if you have a reasonable number of dynamic bones but a bunch of colliders and could do the collision logic locally

[dark narwhal]

Aye chairs are back i can finish my ferris wheel this time

[fluid forum]

how long before you can upload your own avatar

[dark narwhal]

I hope that there will be an option to disable chairs from other peoples avatars cause i know peeps are just gonna make the chairs hitbox cover the entire map.

[median basalt]

I thought that was gonna be the plan with the trust system but I guess not

You can't cover the whole map but you can cover enough to make it impossible to press trigger or fist

That's gonna be an issue

[dark narwhal]

Yee

Ive been terrified of chairs since their first attempt

You wanted to grab that drink....you didnt want to be spinning at 900 rpm???

[thin maple]

hi any else lost the "favourites" world option?

[queen mango]

Most of us did.. Favorites option for worlds is bugged right now

[thin maple]

oh ok.. thanks 😃

[vocal shard]

i absolutely nutted when i read "VRChat SDK polygon limit raised to 70,000 polygons/triangles" in the open beta notes omg

thats perfect

[gusty spear]

Wait we lost our favorite worlds option? [remembers that favorite worlds are probably sitting at the bottom of the world list at this point in time] ...well, shit.

[gloomy aspen]

I would like the devs to change the icon for the "Good" icon, it looks kinda... eugh :B

[dark narwhal]

I feel like the new icons will bring more discrimination than the colored name tags

[gloomy aspen]

Most likely, but perhaps not too long

I think we should explore ways to educate others on optimization, that'd be great

[severe lily]

@median basalt chairs on avatars have a limited interaction range that you cannot edit. It gets set by the client.

[dark narwhal]

Yest but when they make invisible 100 chairs on their avi...

[severe lily]

You're limited to 6 chairs.

[dark narwhal]

Ohhhh tgats good

[umbral oracle]

I'm hearing talk about favorite worlds becoming playlists. Do my old favorite worlds get migrated and does this increase the number of worlds I can store?

[dark narwhal]

Not for my ferris wheel but i can manage

[severe lily]

A ferris wheel with 6 chairs is still a ferris wheel.

[gloomy aspen]

It's a kiddie ferris wheel

[dark narwhal]

A very bad one tho

[gloomy aspen]

Now, throw some chairs on a tank and we got a BattlefieldVR situation

[severe lily]

It's only bad if you make it bad :P

[dark narwhal]

I mean u need at least 2 chairs per cart...and there is like 15 carts

[gloomy aspen]

Nah, like a tank with a driver seat and a gunner

[vocal shard]

Avatar optimization tags ohno

If i load in with a duplicate mesh avatar....

For onload animations

😠

#1month

Or multiple avatars inside an avatar

Reeeee

[vivid vale]

fav worlds list disapearing . XD

[hazy solstice]

So I join into worlds with the open beta, but I'm always alone?

[subtle prawn]

@hazy solstice
can only see other beta users

[hazy solstice]

Oof

[strange vale]

so do i need the beta vrchat as well for chairs to use as well im guessing

[indigo fern]

Hey, where is funland? I really enjoyed it when I first got VR and I wanted to relive the excitement

[sullen escarp]

i'd say ask Omega#2955, but he doesn't seem to be in the discord anymore

[queen mango]

Why so?

[earnest ermine]

oh no

[umbral oracle]

I think @umbral creek#2955 was scrambling to finish Funland 2 . @indigo fern Funland original broke due to rotations being corrupted in 5.6 compatibility and he lost the source files for the original

Oh 😦 no longer here. I hope that doesn't mean he got burned out.

[sullen escarp]

last message was a week ago

maybe he vacation yeeted himself for christmas

[rigid crescent]

They track how many people favorited your world, can they do that for avatars?

[sullen escarp]

wait that's a thing?

hell yeah https://i.imgur.com/Aq6lzHv.png

[rigid crescent]

yeah only for yourself though, of course

you cant see other favs. having it for avatars would help a lot

[sullen escarp]

i would love to see that for avatars

[rain palm]

Is that on the website?

[sullen escarp]

yeah

if you click on your world through the site, it shows the favorite count

[rigid crescent]

Can anyone confirm if number of favorites of an avatar ID are in the API like world favs are? I know literally nothing about that stuff.

[rain palm]

It's only showing my test world on the site. Not my current public one :(.

It hasn't been updated to 2017 just yet so could be why?

[sullen escarp]

maybe?

mine are all updated to 2017, so i can't confirm

[umbral oracle]

Yes the website seems to be hiding old worlds at least your own. Kind of weird. Maybe there is a url or api parameter you can add to show all worlds. Might be a bug

[worthy nacelle]

do i need to convert my unity avatar to use it in mmd? iv never used mmd so idk

[rigid crescent]

5.6 worlds show up on the website, ont sure about the personal account though

[raw lagoon]

what is the new sdk ?

@placid umbra

[haughty mountain]

For some reason, VRChat won't start for me...
It says it's running, but then it just stops.
So I can't play VRChat. My computer just won't let me.
😦

[placid umbra]

@raw lagoon It's in #open-beta-info

@haughty mountain That's caused by your CPU missing AVX instructions, usually CPUs from 2010 or earlier

It should be fixed in the next version of VRChat

[haughty mountain]

...

So because of this update, I can't play VRChat until the next version comes out?

[queen mango]

Or.. unless you upgrade to a new CPU.

preferably somewhere around the 2014-2018

[haughty mountain]

I shouldn't have to, when it was working just fine before

[queen mango]

Though 2011 models work too

[haughty mountain]

now it's working, wtf

[queen mango]

Nani?

[haughty mountain]

But now my keyboard doesn't work

Any way to fix this?

[gleaming patio]

yuss

[shy nest]

that was the shortest beta ive seen

[haughty mountain]

:/

[rough flax]

@sly veldt Are you serious?

[upper fox]

lol, that was a fast beta

gg

time to see what people create with 70k polys

[molten hornet]

Fastest beta ever

[fringe glade]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[placid umbra]

@rough flax Rule 23

[upper fox]

hopefully new memes

[golden violet]

The beta should have lasted another couple weeks to gather feedback and act on it

[rough flax]

[molten hornet]

O god 70k polys T.T

[still lark]

FYI, the beta was longer than you think.

[twin vessel]

Didn't they just start the beta today

[haughty mountain]

Guys can someone help me plz

[rough flax]

@placid umbra How else am I goign to talk to him?

[twin vessel]

The open beta

😐

[molten hornet]

"Open" beta

[shy nest]

"what people can create with 70k polys" so no change really, people had been dodging the limit for ages. you aint gonna see a big wave of stuff being uploaded id reckon

[golden violet]

Open beta is all that matters because they didn't allow cannies discussing the new systems before open beta. They closed them down before it

[haughty mountain]

ok...guess I'll just figure it out.

[molten hornet]

@shy nest problem they dont gotta research it

[night lark]

OOOOOH YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[rigid crescent]

Uhhhhh

[fringe glade]

@still lark from the 15 to the 21 POGGERS not even a week ( the 15 is the changelog date ) :^)

[compact flint]

lol

[rigid crescent]

It went live, the madmen

[molten hornet]

@shy nest there will be a huge wave lol

[opaque remnant]

is the sdk not up?

[shy nest]

doubt it

[covert chasm]

SDK being updated right now

[upper fox]

the vrchat team must be confident about their infrastructure now

[tidal aspen]

I did not think it would be that short

[upper fox]

that was super fast

[molten hornet]

@covert chasm thanks

[covert chasm]

@crystal plover We actually had a pretty intensive 5 day closed beta

[shy nest]

do we get material limit?

[molten hornet]

^

[covert chasm]

literally about 4-6 hours of focused testing, restesting, etc nightly

[placid umbra]

Materials aren't limited?

[shy nest]

dammit

[golden violet]

But you didn't allow feedback from non-closed testers before open beta?

[molten hornet]

Dang

[covert chasm]

Correct. Because you couldn't use the system, so how can you give feedback?

[rigid crescent]

#kareedaforclosedbeta lol

[royal pond]

where's the sdk link?

[gilded valley]

Ahahahahahahaha beta

[covert chasm]

It is being updated

[royal pond]

all I can get is the old one

[vocal shard]

gg

[golden violet]

We can still see it and evaluate that way

[vapid socket]

w

[molten hornet]

Rem is best waifu

[vapid socket]

@covert chasm why push the uypdate this late at night?

[haughty mountain]

I have to switch it to open beta in order to even play the game, and I can't even move when I play. What is going on here?!

[shy nest]

im expecting to go into the pug and see most avatars be "Poor" avatar performance

[covert chasm]

SDK updated!

[molten hornet]

@shy nest ikr

[ocean bramble]

early in the morning you mean

[covert chasm]

@vapid socket We release things when they're done. We happened to finish it. So we released it. Because it was done! 😄

[molten hornet]

@covert chasm fast as fudge boiee

[covert chasm]

[vapid socket]

@covert chasm not complaingin, just asking, good job dude, love you ❤

[covert chasm]

i know you weren't, i'm tired and a lil testy. sorry if i sounded mean

[shy nest]

I recognize that emote tupper

[worthy nacelle]

thanks Tupper & the team for your hard work!

[vapid socket]

nah ur fine

[ocean bramble]

Was such a short open beta helpful?

[covert chasm]

Yes, very

[molten hornet]

@covert chasm go get sum sleep my dude

[vast tulip]

whaa

[ocean bramble]

👍

[vapid socket]

love u tupper ❤

[vast tulip]

this wasnt just tested for less then a day. its been being tested a ton. like... a LOT

[molten hornet]

Several people are typing...

[languid beacon]

Is the new SDK different than the beta one? I don't wanna update it just yet unless I have to.

[covert chasm]

Mimi is correct

[sly veldt]

We finished late cos people ate into their vacation and evenings to work super hard to bring you guys a pretty sweet and major update to VRChat for Christmas and New Years. Community helped test TONS for weeks. Lot went into it

[molten hornet]

@sly veldt thumbs up

[sly veldt]

We'd all have loved it to be done last week on friday morning

lol

[languid beacon]

Thank you all

[shy nest]

well look at it this way, people didnt know that so that is why people thought it was extremely short

[sly veldt]

And now.. fun time

[shy nest]

cant blame em really

[languid beacon]

Now, it's chair time.

[molten hornet]

@sly veldt "fun time" haha

[languid beacon]

[ocean bramble]

The open beta was extremely short

[distant charm]

Trust me everyone on the team worked their butts off for the past couple weeks to get this update out

[lost minnow]

Is the SDK on the site updated yet?

[molten hornet]

Merry Christmas vrchat

[rough flax]

Yeah fun time cause you get to go on vacation while the game is on fire ron.

You knew this update was rushed.

[placid umbra]

SDK coming really soon

[light pivot]

I'm glad my teams avoid publishing to production right before the developers take a break

[still otter]

They must be confident if they're doing a Friday deploy. Hopefully no major issues spring up and ruin a poor Dev's weekend /holiday break.

[covert chasm]

Oh my god you scared me

Its not friday

how dare you do that to me

[shy nest]

dont do an oculus and dog the boys

[remote drum]

lol

[molten hornet]

^_^

[remote drum]

it is in 2 hours

[royal pond]

actually, it is friday, just ticked over 13 minutes ago 🤔

[hoary ridge]

Friday for east coast

[opaque jewel]

So nice to see that if one thing is wrong it brings the score down

[languid beacon]

Can anyone confirm what the name of the new SDK is?

[vocal shard]

owo

[shy nest]

3pm friday for me

[lost minnow]

It's Friday in Australia

[distant charm]

It's Friday over here Tub

[royal basin]

Its been 12 hours into friday for me

[opaque jewel]

the thing nobody wanted

[molten hornet]

@covert chasm but it is friday its 12:13 EST

[languid beacon]

Is VRCSDK-2018.12.19.17.03_Public.unitypackage current?

[ocean bramble]

Ultra sdk

[distant charm]

[still otter]

What! it's 3:13pm here in Australia. Haha

[molten hornet]

I CAN SEE THE FUTURE

[umbral oracle]

Yes this is awesome. Wise timing choice and I'm sure the devs worked their hearts out to get this done on time

[placid umbra]

SDK should be up at https://vrchat.com/download/sdk

[worthy nacelle]

is there plans on adding a punishment for poor preforming avatars?

[shy nest]

ahh a fellow non daylight savings aussie, a rare sight indeed

[molten hornet]

@placid umbra +rep

[covert chasm]

@languid beacon Yep that sounds right

[rough flax]

@worthy nacelle yes

[still lark]

Yup, correct SDK then.

[rough flax]

Tupper will poly police you

[covert chasm]

[molten hornet]

Sounds kinky

[worthy nacelle]

xD

[royal basin]

[lone thicket]

can someone tell me what the point of the open beta was if it lasted only roughly 8 hours

[molten hornet]

FBI OPEN UP

[shy nest]

can we have a moment of silence for the passing of cats decimation

[languid beacon]

So that if the new version somehow set PC"s on fire

[sullen escarp]

people used that?

[molten hornet]

@shy nest annnnnd its gone

[still lark]

@lone thicket It was tested way more than that, it just wasn't open beta.

[rigid crescent]

:0 why cant i update

[ocean bramble]

@shy nest It's still viable lol

[lone thicket]

then why did they release a public beta at all

[rough flax]

tfw a "beta" wasn't tested at all.

[golden violet]

Longer open betas in the future

[languid beacon]

If VRChat isn't updating, uninstall it and reinstall it.

[still lark]

To make sure it was decent.

[shy nest]

ehh you can 100% get shit to 70k, 20k was like running a marathon depending on what you were working with

[covert chasm]

@lone thicket The public beta resulted in us finding many bugs that we hadn't encountered yet, and we fixed them.

[rigid crescent]

To clean up corner cases like the performance isue people had, most likely. I don't think they knew about that one