vrchat-general-2

[queen mango]

Fufufu

[umbral reef]

To be fair- I would not even care at all- This discord is fairly shit anyway lmao

[queen mango]

[umbral reef]

The peeps i care about are all in other discords im in

And i can follow twitter for announcements or ask you fella's

[vocal shard]

I kinda live for this server and steam forums right now... So I couldn't take the risk... O.o

[umbral reef]

Why cant you help another community?

[vocal shard]

it's shit only because there is a serious lack of mods and organization

low key your "sarcasm" leads me to believe that attitude why this discord may be in fact "shit"

[umbral reef]

Big odds that has an bigger impact towards the game even

[vocal shard]

it's mostly community driven but some helpful folks around here can't even get a small roll to say to people "hey, this dude know wtf he is talking about"

[queen mango]

Hmm.. Why not make a petition for it?

[vocal shard]

I tend to engross myself into whatever I have an interest in... Kinda an obsessive personality... So if I like vrchat... That's all I spend time on, tf2, I lived on those forums and trading, mabi, same thing...

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard If you can be insulted while helping users in a discord sever you quickly gain a 'less then 0 shits' aggressive attitude
It also gets better when staff joins they back up what you claimed (performance problems are because of X, explaining of the rules or how to get unbanned and stuff). Being flat out ignored is dope ya know-

And as icing on the cake, the same toxic people often join to just post there same opinion about how some facts are false. They are legit spreading fake news to promote there own lazyness and we cant say or do anything against it

So yea- It might have caused me to be more toxic then i should in here. But atleast i got a valid reaosn for it and help enough people at the same time unlike insane amounts that join this place ~

[vocal shard]

@queen mango and where would we do that ? i asked about it multiple times and didnt get a single proper answer

[umbral reef]

And im far from a unknown user within this chat so what im saying isnt a one person event
I suggest you look up how much i chat with the search option and compare it to any staff-

[vocal shard]

oclac for mod

[umbral reef]

Lmao- I say things way to dry and hard for me to ever get it

[vocal shard]

i dont know who you are and you seem really bitter lol

[umbral reef]

If i wanted mod i would not act like me @vocal shard

[queen mango]

@zinc vapor He's a jaded man.

[umbral reef]

Well maybe because its your first time chatting within this discord

[queen mango]

Oof.. Ruby just dc'ed

[umbral reef]

And i am fairly bitter when it comes to this discord-

[vocal shard]

he left
good

[umbral reef]

Also im not jaded- Im bitter

[queen mango]

I see..

[umbral reef]

Its not like i havent dropped hints im hella bitter about this discord for the past month by now

And being fairly salty users within here for a full week

[vocal shard]

"hints"

i was way more toxic at some point
i didnt get any warning for it 🤷

[rigid crescent]

literally never heard of anyone here ingame lol

my toxicity is always at 100% tho

[umbral reef]

Well- I still have to be told 'stop' personally for doing /anything/ in this discord so

Pretty sure im on my 'ow we know this dude, unless he does bad pr things its fine'

[queen mango]

TImezones, Mic

Dunno, but I prefer meeting people from this Discord by random

[umbral reef]

I prefer to talk to people i have never talked to- Gets you the most strange shit within the game

[vocal shard]

i only met one dude randomly from here

and it was cerzix

[umbral reef]

As apparently last night i met a lot of well known users

[vocal shard]

🤢

[umbral reef]

Plenty of streamers, the battle disk boi, friends of streamers

All without knowing it and i like it that way

[vocal shard]

Best way is not knowing who they are

[queen mango]

That seems like a long dream by now, considering we're technically text buds in here

[vocal shard]

Don't like when people introduce me to someone "because they're a streamer."

[umbral reef]

But its funny- In a chat like this i can be labled as a full Narcist meanwhile the second i jump ingame, any other VRC discord or IRL all i care about is raw helping and entertaining peeps

[vocal shard]

Meet your friend, great, happy to

[rigid crescent]

i meet a lot through friends, but it's mainly just names i've heard, nothingm ore

like i just dont watch streams and stuff, so i only know names

but it sucks seeing their orbiters around all the time, you know? liek yo ucan tell a lot of the time theyre just trying to be nice

[umbral reef]

I legit know almost no one within the streaming or yt communities

[ocean bramble]

Me neither

[vocal shard]

My friend showed me a screenshot in his world. He shows it to me and is like "yeah, that's actually them"
I'm like 'who?'
"Who has that avatar!? It's really them, I got to meet them"

I was confused

No idea who it was. Lol

[distant juniper]

Now I'm confuzzled

[umbral reef]

Dont know why but i been starting to really get good at mutes and stuff to orbit around me when in public worlds
Big odds its because of the few jokes i do or the attention i give everyone but its so strange of a feeling when peeps circle around you

[queen mango]

Never answered the question.. That's confusion incarnate

[umbral reef]

Feels like your about to get bullied or beaten up

[queen mango]

When Unity 2017 goes online, will we still have to concern ourselves with crashers?

[vocal shard]

yes

The extent might change, but yeah...

[rigid crescent]

well, with the whole scanning thing gonig on, there's not much reason they can't just hop worlds and scan

[umbral reef]

As much as you do now if not more

[rigid crescent]

and now that we know how the scanning works, repots are much easier

[umbral reef]

Has there still been any proof of that world scanning stuff peeps claim

[rigid crescent]

Not that specifically, no

But the ability to do so exists. We know that much.

But now we have some details on to what extent.

[umbral reef]

Give me the exact thing we know it does then

Like what info do they get-- and for what goal

Want to know what exactly you are talking about VS what i know is confirmed and ect

Or what i can look out for 👀

[vocal shard]

i can use a sphere mesh with a crash sahder on it

[rigid crescent]

No I mean on VRC's side

[vocal shard]

how do you detect that ?

[rigid crescent]

Well, how exactly does a crash shader work?

[umbral reef]

If you are talking about the way they check avatar worlds for the specific info- Thats a totally different thing

[vocal shard]

uh.. i'm not sure it's a good idea to reveal that in the official discord

[rigid crescent]

oh true

dm? I figured it was jsut a billion of them bunched together

but yeah probably shouldn't go into detail

[vocal shard]

no, it's just some absurd values on some part of the code

and that's the very very basic explanation

[rigid crescent]

Oh, figured it was like particle crashing where you just mush em together

[vocal shard]

nope, only need one

[royal pond]

So like hmmmm

That’s interesting

[vocal shard]

hmm?

[ruby burrow]

What's this about scanning btw, because any new development I can use to help persuade a fool friend to finally get rid of his crasher, is welcome to me.

[vocal shard]

nothing to concern yourself with
it's only a tool for the mods of the game

so they can check avatars in an avatar world to see if it's properly optimized

[rigid crescent]

They can scan worlds/accounts for a list of materials, meshes, dynamics, etc and spit it out as an excel sheet

cool tbh

[vocal shard]

yeah, rokk got one csv from Tupper

it's very helpful, you can see a lot of stuff

[umbral reef]

csv*?

[ruby burrow]

The guy is one of those types kind of on the fringe of "crasher culture". Is a good person, and only ever crashes himself with the stupid thing anyway, but insists on keeping it, or else he'd loose his "crasher street cred" to put it one way.

[vocal shard]

excel file basically

[umbral reef]

He knows just having one can get him banned if someone reports him? Doesnt need to crash anyone even really

[vocal shard]

well squishy, he should be banned, no matter his reasoning

[umbral reef]

Or even when he crashes someone by accident they are beaned

[vocal shard]

a crash is worthless
and the thing is, if someone steal his avatar, you will have some script kiddies sharing a crash avatar around

[umbral reef]

And if they still use his avatar ID he can be beaned also for that

[ruby burrow]

Yep. Is why I'm trying to get him to dump the thing. -_-

[vocal shard]

I know someone who wants to make a crasher and be a vigilanti. I keep trying to talk them out of it, but they think it would make them cool or something like that. Smh

[civic plume]

more like annoying

[rigid crescent]

lol people are retards

[civic plume]

hey guys 💜

[vocal shard]

being a vigilante is still being a crasher
so ban deserved too

Mhmm

Hey ^^

pan diman is doing the proper work
remove safety and particle limiter
and go into popular crasher worlds, like the box
collect video evidence and logs and then make reports

[ruby burrow]

Any real vigilante work has no need or use for a crash tool anyway.

[rigid crescent]

lol just report people forehead

e z/annoying

[queen mango]

Regular VRChatters taking the law under their own hands.

[vocal shard]

and we don't need vigiliant, we need more mods

[queen mango]

i know their feelings, but their actions are not right

[vocal shard]

it's not like they permanently remove a crasher either
he will just reconnect 1 minute later and still do his stuff

[ruby burrow]

Honestly, carrying around a crash gun as a vigilante only messes up your reports. Your own shit would get confused in the logs if ever used.

[rigid crescent]

i dont know why but just the thought of "vigilantes" in VRC just

ugh, it seems so spergy and cringy

[vocal shard]

because it is

[rigid crescent]

i know people here arent trying to use it that way, its jsut the best word to describe it i guess?

but to the people trying to do it, they really think they're something special lol

[vocal shard]

yep

they think they will not be banned because they crash bad crashers and avatar stealers

[queen mango]

A very gray line...

Plus, it ain't effective

[vocal shard]

It's not even a gray line tho... We've been told that crashing by any means, even for revenge is reason to get banned

[rigid crescent]

no they think they won't get caught

because getting caught is hard, so odds are they wont be tbh

[queen mango]

Unless they drop the ball and send their log

[rigid crescent]

reported a logout thing, with video. this was a week ago i think? i saw him today still

[umbral reef]

As long as peeps don't report they will be running free

[vocal shard]

I wonder if things will change when the in-game report system goes live

[umbral reef]

They can't act on one report though so far I know

[ruby burrow]

The best way I guess, would be to pull an under-cover agent type thing, and try to worm your way into the crasher friend groups, and then report from behind.
But to do that you'd have to dedicate a huge amount of your time living a very weird and ugly lie.

[umbral reef]

Squishy
This ain't a cop movie...

[ruby burrow]

I know.

[umbral reef]

You still won't have proof to get them banned then

[ruby burrow]

Anyone actually going for that would be a rather concerning kind of person.

[rigid crescent]

proof doesn't seem to matter. week later with a logout client? come on

[vocal shard]

need more proof

[rigid crescent]

lol

I Actually sent the log with the video, just in case

[vocal shard]

how long is the video ?

[rigid crescent]

lemme check

[ruby burrow]

And well, the point there was that you'd be able to gather ample proof frequently.

[queen mango]

True

[ruby burrow]

But again, an ugly fantasy.

[queen mango]

High chance of getting caught

[vocal shard]

it's not that easy

i'm in multiple groups, and i'm pretty sure a lot of those members have some crash gun on them

with what they talk, how they avatar looks like, what animation they make, you can kinda guess that it's going to be crash related

but still no real proof, so it's useless

[rigid crescent]

47 second

[ruby burrow]

Well I mean, back when I still had a certain ex-friend in my list, I got to encounter some of these sorts pretty frequently.

[vocal shard]

well, obviously they will ignore it mic, you need at least a 2 minutes video as stated in #moderation-reports

[ruby burrow]

I was seeing multiple crashes every day. I joined one lobby on this guy, only to see five players pointing neon guns at me around the spawn point, and then heard, "Wait, that's Squishy, he's cool."

Then ended up watching those clowns crash multiple other users as they entered the instance.

I long since unfriended the guy, wanting to get away from that crap.

[rigid crescent]

whoa does it actually?

[queen mango]

Oof. I can also sense favoritism therr

[rigid crescent]

i missed that. it's literally the guy saying "yeah i got this logout blah blah." then proceeds to log a guy out

[vocal shard]

report it again mic

until you get a good answer

[rigid crescent]

there's no "context" needed, it's not me catching someone in the act that might be questionable, the guy says he has it, then uses it on a stranger

[queen mango]

It was kinda the same thing for another friend of mine. But he uses some sort of log-off tool instead of a crash gun

[rigid crescent]

then laughs about it to someone, then leaves. guess

NOW I get why people dont report, it's a waste of time.

[vocal shard]

yep

[queen mango]

And the targets don't matter, since it logs off everyone

[rigid crescent]

well, never wasting my time reporting again lol

[queen mango]

Are there more options regarding the report button, or that's just it?

[vocal shard]

Next update

the report button will be useless

it's just a button to make you feel good about yourself and nothing else

[ruby burrow]

You guys sure send mixed messages about the value of reporting. >_>

[queen mango]

Well, sometimes it works, other times...

[rigid crescent]

i think everyone here knows how useless it is lol

[vocal shard]

a lot of people told us that they reported other users with enough proof and weeks later the reported user is still playing

what's the point to go over all the hassle for nothing in the end ?

Email seems to be hit or miss. I'm just curious about the user report that they have in the beta right now

yeah, good luck checking 2k reports a day

[rigid crescent]

I have definitive proof. The video has him admitting to having it then using it

[ruby burrow]

"pan diman is doing the proper work
remove safety and particle limiter
and go into popular crasher worlds, like the box
collect video evidence and logs and then make reports"

Oh well, so much for that then.

[queen mango]

It feels as if the report system weighs on the numbers and not on the validity of proof...

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard hit or mis he
Guess they never hit ya

[vocal shard]

@ruby burrow mods have a special place to report

Storm trooper aim

[umbral reef]

And they know exactly what info staff need to report more proper

[queen mango]

Compared to them crash guns...

They hit you from a mile away

[ruby burrow]

As for the in-game report button, I'd bet money that it will be used simply as a tool to gather weight of suspicion on a user, for sake of scanning their uploads if it builds up enough.

[vocal shard]

probably yeah

[rigid crescent]

OH shit

[umbral reef]

SVEL for mod so he can report proper 👏 👏 👏

[ruby burrow]

Which is fairly common practice in gaming, and a fairly efficient method.

[vocal shard]

meaning that i can gather groups of people and mass report someone

[rigid crescent]

i found the problem. There's an issue with the report email. for some reason all of them end up here https://richmedia.channeladvisor.com/ImageDelivery/imageService?profileId=52000717&id=983376&recipeId=243

[vocal shard]

[umbral reef]

Nah they get filtered by gmail for spam crashing

[vocal shard]

That's the report processor 2000

Very expensive system

[queen mango]

Nani?

[rigid crescent]

LOL they don't get the reports because they go to the spam folder

[ruby burrow]

A mass report on an innocent will do nothing though, since the scan will find nothing.

[queen mango]

👀 👀

[rigid crescent]

Well the scan will only find excessive things, so it probably won't find stuff like that

good for shutting down shitty worlds still though 👌

[umbral reef]

Gl finding a crash shader with a scan like that

[vocal shard]

can you report someone for bad optimization then ?

[ruby burrow]

Anything that narrows down their options is useful.

[vocal shard]

because if i see a user with one of the subcom avatars, i'm reporting him

[umbral reef]

Can report worlds for it I think

[vocal shard]

Anyway... I'm off to bed. Later all ^^

[queen mango]

Why not the world creator?

[vocal shard]

good night jamie

[ruby burrow]

If a crasher has 90% shader crashers, and one mesh crasher that the scan can detect, that's still helpful.

[queen mango]

G'night, Jam

[vocal shard]

elire, little mouse is the creator i believe

[rigid crescent]

Yeah, Little Mouse is being a trooper and fixing all their avatars though guys

[vocal shard]

and she already told us that she don't give a fuck and that the game need to be otimized, not the avatars

[queen mango]

Ahh.. heeding their warning... not

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent because he is forced to...

[ruby burrow]

Ahh, right. That's why they were cranky up above.

[vocal shard]

even if the world isnt up anymore, some people favorited those avatars

[queen mango]

Means that they can go back to them

[ruby burrow]

Any time someone says that kind of thing about optimisation in game, I ask them to point to the object they want the devs to optimise.

[queen mango]

Since they are just ind. creations

[ruby burrow]

So far I've never said the line whilst in the Hub, so they usually struggle to pick something out.

[queen mango]

Hmm... that doesn't call for a change to the "Favorite avatars" system, no?

[vocal shard]

the only thing that those people say is "well, the game shouldnt be running on 1 core, so it's their fault"

and at that moment, you already know that the guy don't know jackshit

[queen mango]

Exactly

[ruby burrow]

Anyway, I should follow Jamie's example. Off to bed with me.

[queen mango]

Oof. Have a good rest, Squish

[rigid crescent]

https://puu.sh/C36h1/f16676471f.png never forget

[queen mango]

Will have to follow soon... By 11:00 PM

[vocal shard]

[queen mango]

How come that drowned in comments?

My appreciation for the announcement...
I need it back

Uhh... Is the slowmode timer gonna be disabled soon? Chatter died pretty fast

[vocal shard]

probably in 1 or 2 days

[umbral reef]

Prob once the admins wake up

So a few hours

[vocal shard]

they moved it down to 5 seconds from 15

[umbral reef]

Still trigger worthy

Can't even have a proper conversation with more then one person

[vocal shard]

yep

[umbral reef]

Man im stoked to play vrc
But I also want to stream later today and streaming the game just feels eeehhh

[civic plume]

uwu

[queen mango]

Yea.. Probably not

Remember Shana?

[civic plume]

had enough of people saying my mic isnt loud enough or is broken like everywhere i test its fucking fine, i dont fucking know whats going on

[queen mango]

How so?

[civic plume]

ok my friend in discord says i sound fine so im fine idk

kms i bought good mic and its 24 bit 96KHz and idk

wait

[umbral reef]

@queen mango hm?

[civic plume]

no it cant be the format that its set too

well you guys... goodbye

[queen mango]

Dude no

[civic plume]

maybe its a bad mic from a bad batch, like idk

[umbral reef]

@civic plume can always virtually boost it

[civic plume]

i know but others can hear but some cant idk they must have pricked settings

[umbral reef]

Big odds

[median basalt]

@ruby burrow IK

There's one thing the devs should look into optimizing if they haven't already

Public avatars are a good first step but let's not pretend that it's the main cause.

[shy nest]

slowmode

[vocal shard]

main cause is overuse of dyn bone, then materials i guess

let me just drop an avatar with 150 materials, seems good

imagine UDON + new IK with the unity version

[pastel lodge]

Rip mirrors X'D time to redo those when this comes out

[safe prism]

A hidden benefit of this new unity version is the fbx importer is no longer limited to 65535 polys :3

[vocal shard]

limit is still 20k in the sdk

[safe prism]

yeah but we don’t talk about that

Also worlds have no poly limit

in sdk

[vocal shard]

40k poly limit for worlds
good luck

(it's not a thing btw)

[safe prism]

xd

also we can make custom importers too

so could literally do cats in unity now

[vocal shard]

[safe prism]

Custom render textures are gonna be fun too

[umbral reef]

Gonna be dope
Shit man
I really gotta learn how this stuff works

And become non lazy

[vocal shard]

How can i install unity 5.6.3 from Unity Hub ?
I can only see 5 versions on it...
I tried to install 2017 version separately without the Hub, but it somehow overwrited the 5.6.3 version.. >>

[safe prism]

You can’t install it from the hub

You have to install it without it, and you can add it to the hub after

And yeah, without the hub unity installs to the same directory, you must change it per version

[tacit plank]

Polygons are not too important in worlds if they're static objects (and will likely have to be tagged as such)

Well, they are a bit, but only because Unity is terrible and split meshes. A 7.3 million poly mesh will half a VR users FPS, but I think it's mostly because Unity will split it 123 times, and because it's about 80MB of vertices.
But everything considered, high poly counts aren't that bad

[vocal shard]

I even changed the disks, 5.6.3 was on C, 2017 was on E

Yet it got overwrited still. No idea how.
Will it be fine if ill install 2017 on hub then 5.6.3 from webside?
Or i have to install 5.6.3 first, add it to hub, then download 2017 from hub?

[tacit plank]

Again, Unity is shit and doesn't understand the concept of staying in its own folder and only causing problems in there

I hope we'll get a guide on this. My visual studio installation was permantly broken when I installed 5.6.3, I don't want it to break my 2017 version too

[safe prism]

unity doesn't have to split it

and in 2017 it won't

and there's tools to combine them in unity 5.6 too

@vocal shard install 5.6.3p1, then install 2017 via hub

[vocal shard]

Alright.
Other quesiton- should i uninstall some old unity files? Or theres no need for that?

[safe prism]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'll bet it's not actually overwritten

only the link you open it with

[vocal shard]

Mm, alright then. Either ill make it look good and save some space or ill accidentaly unistall things i will need.

[safe prism]

i have like 4 things named "Unity" when i use windows search, no way to disern so it's just luck xd

[vocal shard]

Well, theres shit ton of folders named "Unity"
And im not sure if ill need them in future, or if they have my .pmx/.fbx and such ;x

[hallow zenith]

@vocal shard can you remove slow mode pls. we calmed down 😅

[vocal shard]

1 month
For ping

[hallow zenith]

wat oof

thanks lol

[vocal shard]

Off

[umbral reef]

Risky pinging but good job as it's removed

[hallow zenith]

Is it that risky?

[umbral reef]

Well, rule 23 says to not do it

[hallow zenith]

you right

[vocal shard]

or you will get kicked

[umbral reef]

And peeps have been kicked/banned for it

[hallow zenith]

i just forgot

[vocal shard]

Well, cya Reverse :x

[hallow zenith]

my bad

[umbral reef]

Well it got removed so I'm happy you took the risk

[vocal shard]

not in random-chat tho

still mad

[umbral reef]

Feels bad man

[vocal shard]

Id delete all those .dll unity files but they are few KB each and im scared to delete them, dont want to fuck up anything lmao

[hallow zenith]

just back up everything

[vocal shard]

Im too lazy, i just wont delete them. Searching for those files also seems to be not for me lol

Oh also @safe prism [Sowwy for ping pls dont hit me]
Should i install the 5.6.3 version where i am planning to have Hub/2017 version?
Or it doesnt matter?

install them in separate folders

[safe prism]

doesn't matter really, just don't install both to literally the same folder xd

[umbral reef]

I wonder what problems would happen then

[safe prism]

hub's installs keep a much smarter folder structure

[vocal shard]

Alright, i think i got it lol

[kind folio]

monkaS

[spiral solar]

My vr wedding was silly and fun

Managed to fix my problems just in time @umbral reef

[umbral reef]

Awesome to hear that and thanks for updating me ❤

What did you do to solve it if i may ask?

[spiral solar]

I think tupper should add in the support channel a little note about how hamachi messes up vrchat networking stuff

Just having it installed at all

[umbral reef]

Ay snap- So my DNS option wasnt even taht odd

[vocal shard]

i have it too and no problem from me

[ruby needle]

I have it, and no issues

[umbral reef]

And Hamachi is a known product to cause those problems depending what version you used

[spiral solar]

I had it for ages and it didn't cause problems up until yesterday

Apparently it just decided to start messing stuff up out of nowhere

[umbral reef]

But as others stated- Its rare enough that well, its a non big thing

[spiral solar]

It was definitely the fix

I think it should be noted in support that if you've tried everything and still have no fix, that you should try uninstalling hamachi and see if it fixes things

But yeah I'm so happy I got it fixed in time

[vocal shard]

is there anyway to get in contact with VRC staff thru this channel, i want to discuss why they decliend to make my world public

[median basalt]

What's the name of your world?

@vocal shard

[umbral reef]

@vocal shard Read the reason within #public-world-request and the big link in there

[vocal shard]

🍿

@median basalt Now its called Dance Club Pink Cat, but when i sent the request to make it public it was called Strip Club Pink Cat

[umbral reef]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vShHzuZzQwULCu7KmWFGMj640oNRYH-M_N1BD30nRF5F9eqGYcLF0E-CTf48RE8qzAzDmv9eqJsdpma/pubhtml?gid=1122762578&single=true

[vocal shard]

i read the motivation

ToS infrigment

[median basalt]

Yeah, "inappropriate content"

[vocal shard]

"Inappropriate content. Submissions susended until 11/23/2018. "

but its nothing to break the ToS in it

[median basalt]

You'll have to send them an email

[vocal shard]

its just the name

[umbral reef]

So nothing nsfw?

[vocal shard]

no

it's a strip club basically

I think they decliened because the name Strip Club

so in guess it's nsfw ?

[umbral reef]

Then email [e-mail] and well.. Ask for there

And they can deny stuff for how its named

[vocal shard]

ok thanks

support

not moderation

[ruby needle]

unsure about that.
this technically is a moderation thing, aint it

[vocal shard]

its a bit silly not able to have the name Strip Club tough but ok ok

in what way ? he wan't t oask for more info

he didnt get banned AFAIK

[ruby needle]

world moderation is also a moderation.

at least how i would say.

[vocal shard]

i sent it to both adresses

[ruby needle]

uhm.... well *

[odd bay]

i was drunk last night and the new unity announcement made me scream so loud (in a good way) my neighbors pounded on my ceiling

[ruby needle]

[shut star]

[kind folio]

o.o when did u get chat mod @ruby needle

havent seen you with it before

then again I dont talk in here much lol

[ruby needle]

chat mod 3 months or so? Senior not that long but a few weeks

[umbral reef]

Been that long already? Shit boi

[vocal shard]

yeah

3 months being a mod means that you are a senior

you get old fast here

[inner cape]

Not allowed ^

[vocal shard]

Were going to need a new emote soon.

Oh...snap.

We have a new emote.

[karmic talon]

Oh heck

[kind folio]

@inner cape how is your emote allowed but a sad pepe isnt

I dont get how strict this server is sometimes lol

[inner cape]

mine isnt hate speech

[vocal shard]

Because pepe has a bad reputation.

It's due to the association of the pepe emote

[karmic talon]

Yeaaa real bad reputation

[vocal shard]

[karmic talon]

To this day it confuses me how that happened

[vocal shard]

cuz internet trolls

[umbral reef]

Loads of shitposting

[vocal shard]

People adopt things and make it their own.

👌 this is supposed to be a sign for white nationalism or some bullshit

[karmic talon]

H

oof

I forgot about that one

[umbral reef]

might explain the stuff i get called @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

Perfect example... The swastika is a symbol of peace in most lands. But we know how its seen now

because one angry guy decided to turn it 45 degrees and be a cunt to the rest of the world

[karmic talon]

Wasn't it mirrored?

[vocal shard]

that too

Yeah it was but... really who can look at that symbol without thinking of it.

[karmic talon]

True

Surprising how easily the meaning of something can change

And so drastically too

[vocal shard]

Not really, i mean language evolves an all that.

[karmic talon]

Also true

[harsh lantern]

hey

someone can help me ?

[karmic talon]

hey

The real question is

With what?

[harsh lantern]

well

do you know how to change the tris to Polycount in blender ?

[vocal shard]

?

[karmic talon]

oh welp, can't help with that

Don't know anything about blender, sorry

[harsh lantern]

hmm

[kind folio]

I just think the thing with pepe or whatever emotes is how everything else is treated, and that's if something is being used maliciously then the person should be punished / message removed

but if it's not malicious then I think it's fine.

[karmic talon]

Context is everything, hm?

[vocal shard]

seems like a good topic for #general-media

[harsh lantern]

i will try in the channel avatar-optimization

[karmic talon]

Yea you're right

[vocal shard]

oklyn

that doesnt make any sense

tris = polygons

polygons doesnt always mean triangles tho

but it's still a good indicator

[kind folio]

random dude messaged me a server invite called "Very religious server"

YIKES

I'll hit a hard pass on that one

[inner cape]

Join fpauls server instead

Something to do with maids

Ask him

[errant merlin]

How do you "minimize" your camera?

so the screen preview isn't showing

[inner cape]

Wdym?

[errant merlin]

so it shows up as a circle

instead of the screen

[inner cape]

You can't

[errant merlin]

if that's possible

oh..

[inner cape]

How would you see what you're taking a picture of that way

Or more like, the angle

[errant merlin]

It's more for the stream camera

[neon flume]

Oh, you can set it to move with your avatar or stay put globally and then move the screen somewhere else. You still need the screen out but you can put it anywhere and have the lens by itself.

[safe prism]

if you mean like a picture-in-picture overlay like on streams, you use openvr obs plugin to see first person, stream camera to see everything else

[neon flume]

I think it's the orange button on the top right to toggle movement mode.

[inner cape]

You can make it freeze in local space and move the screen somewhere else, yeah

[safe prism]

if you mean to hide the screen, just place it somewhere you can't see :D

[errant merlin]

Yeah but the position of the camera affects it

even with the settings on the sides toggled

[inner cape]

Affects what?

[errant merlin]

the angle

[inner cape]

The position of the screen doesn't

It freezes the camera in local or global space depending on what you select

[errant merlin]

I still don't know where people put it

and the buttons are pretty hard to click on the camera

[inner cape]

True

[neon flume]

I usually just put the screen behind me or above since I rarely ever have to look straight up.

Yeah the buttons are hard to click, almost impossible in certain avatars I've found.

[errant merlin]

can't wait for the next camera update

[inner cape]

If it happens

[neon flume]

I want a zoom slider to get that my first handycam style to my videos.

[inner cape]

Pretty sure devs are all up in that update

[sterile drift]

lOL

[pallid vapor]

[empty bridge]

Can I ban Tupper? Me big admin

[vocal shard]

lmao memes amirite

[oblique pulsar]

greetings fellow kids

[harsh lantern]

hey

[vocal shard]

#animation

[harsh lantern]

thx

[obtuse plinth]

awoo

[halcyon kestrel]

VRchat is going

places

[grizzled needle]

Hell yeah unity upgrade

Better optimization, more dev features

[strange orbit]

Really hoping this update stabilizes FPS even in larger more populated worlds

[median basalt]

It won't necessarily do so right off the bat

There's often minor performance improvements in Unity itself when you go up versions

But the main causes of lag aren't going away solely because the version number incremented

[ruby needle]

wasn't there also newer vr sdk's in the newer versions

[median basalt]

I think so

[ruby needle]

that could also help by default

[tacit plank]

Is it possible to change to a better algorithm for avatar bone tracking?

[pallid axle]

well the IK could use some work. it seems like the current algorithm doesn't take wrist angles into account that much

[median basalt]

They're already gonna update Final IK at some point I think

[tacit plank]

Or maybe, since the client has already calculated its own rig, it should just send that overto other players rather than having them calculate it too

[median basalt]

That would be a lot of network traffic

Sending just the hand/head positions vs. sending pretty much every transform in your body

Wouldn't be worth it since network traffic is also CPU intensive

The game's IK is its defining feature and unfortunately also its biggest performance hog

[tacit plank]

Ah, I see. I don't know enough about it to suggest much more

But as it's the most CPU heavy thing, I think it would be a good place to optimize. Shouldn't be impossible either

[wise patrol]

I want to see reuploaded maps called "2017 edition" 😛

[tacit plank]

Could maybe redo some of the calculation functions in assembler.. It's crazy fast

[gleaming patio]

that isnt even needed often

when using the right vector calculation CPU functions, the difference between C and assembler becomes very little

[tacit plank]

Isn't it a higher level like C# now?

[vocal shard]

What would suit a shy guy? (Mario)

[rigid crescent]

uhh

a mask

and a robe

and shoes, i think they have shoes

and a belt

[vocal shard]

No like what kind of particle.

[rigid crescent]

none?

[vocal shard]

Fair enough.

[rigid crescent]

what particles do they have in mario games

[vocal shard]

Not sure.

[rigid crescent]

lol they dont have anything, they literally just walk left and right

[tacit plank]

Breast physics

[polar bone]

Seriously though, this game needs some major optimization

[tacit plank]

There has never been as big of a focus on optimization as there is right now

[umbral reef]

@polar bone Get people to stop using dynamic bones

and tada games optimized ezpz

[rigid crescent]

Optimization like what doon?

[dull star]

Hey, y'all. Quick question, does anybody know how to walk in first person when in vr mode? I can't seem to find a way to change it from this retarded teleporting mode

[rigid crescent]

it's a setting called 3d projection or something?

unclick it

https://puu.sh/C3tfn/6c0669c461.png top left, holoport

uncheck that, probably turn off personal space too

also wtf does voice prioritization do? anything? lol i never really noticed a difference with it on or off

[dull star]

much appreciated

[vocal shard]

i still don't get why it's on by default

[rigid crescent]

motion sickness, i believe

it's the "safest" otpion

[vocal shard]

i never found anyone complaining about it

like ever

[rigid crescent]

iunno

[vocal shard]

and dunno about voice prioritization, i tested it and didnt found any difference

also 3rd person rotation

[neon flume]

Yeah, holoport was a great option for people new to vr. I usually have to switch my friends onto that mode when they try VRChat, smooth locomotion in any game is a quick way to have them fall on their faces.

[vocal shard]

no clue what that does either

[rigid crescent]

that's a holoport thing also i think

like you can rotate yourself while doing it

or something

[drifting ibex]

why doesn't VRChat have a patreon? 😦

[topaz lynx]

idk

[vocal shard]

cuz they apparently don't need money ?

[topaz lynx]

anyways

does anyone know where i can find a world for matu's talent show?

[drifting ibex]

i don't know where the hell they're getting money from then... investors? its non trivial and not cheap to run a service with so many parallel users

[neon flume]

I'm not sure how much they'd make off it. Studio Trigger (anime studio) made one a little while ago and while they're making a decent amount of money from it, I don't think it could support the entire team. It's more of a way of tipping the animators. I'd certainly pitch in to a vrchat patreon if they had one.

[drifting ibex]

i'd definitely be a patron

i sent them an email yesterday asking them to set one up but haven't heard back yet heh

its weekend so i don't expect to heh

[vocal shard]

they got 4 millions from HTC

like a year ago

and that's about al lthe info we got from what money they got

[drifting ibex]

i see

when I first got my vive, Beat Saber was the killer app

and while its still something i play a TON, VR Chat is now my top killer app

[neon flume]

If you ever want to give them a tip though be sure to check out the merch store!
https://vrchat.threadless.com/designs/coffee-mug/accessories/mug/standard?color=white&size=11oz

[vocal shard]

the only thing that interest me in that store is the mug

[neon flume]

Yup! I don't care for branded clothing but I'll happily collect mugs.

[drifting ibex]

ill probably pick up a shirt and hoodie/sweater

but i don't like buying merch, i prefer giving money direct

becuase when you buy merch only a portion of what you are spending is going to them, the other portion is paying for the item

i want 100% (minus fees/taxes/whatnot) to go to them heh

also my pets (birds) tend to chew up/destroy any special drawings/print on my clothing lol

[neon flume]

Oh yeah I get that. At this point though the threadless store is the most direct way we have of giving them money. I'm sure they have some kind of plans for long term revenue once they come out of early access.

[drifting ibex]

yeah, sounds good 😃

[maiden hound]

can someone help? steamvr isnt detecting my headset. I'm in WMR home right now and whenever i launch steamvr it says "headset not detected"

I try to click reboot headset and it says "Status: Failed"

[topaz lynx]

VRChat doesn't support windows mixed reality

[maiden hound]

yes but it still works

i was on yesterday

actually this morning at 2am

[vocal shard]

what ?

[topaz lynx]

anyways

[vocal shard]

it does

wtf

[umbral reef]

It does

[topaz lynx]

does anyone know what world i can find for matu's talent show?

anyone?

[sacred drift]

Never heard of it, sorry

[rigid crescent]

I'm surprised they don't do those 3D printed nametags that they had at AX

could make a decent bit of money off of them.

those would definitely sell like crazy, especially around convention time

https://puu.sh/C3uFK/d6ee75d85f.png found a pic of someone's, though i recall seeing people with ones that have their name on it

[vocal shard]

[sleek bone]

Is it a good idea to start future-proofing for the next update?

for the engine upgrade?

[vocal shard]

nah

[sleek bone]

Wait, you don't need to future proof?

[vocal shard]

no lmao

future proofing is basically uploading your whole project to the servers

so if you have a lot of stuff in it, it will take a fuck ton of time

it's still good to do it from time to time

[ruby needle]

it's likely gonna cost you more time then what you will need to reupload / fix it when it would have actually been needet

[vocal shard]

dunno if it's still a thing

but you can ask vrchat to retrieve the files for you if you lose them

but again, dunno if it's still a thing

[ruby needle]

this included bad guys beeing able to grab them at some point, but im not sure if that is still possible.

[vocal shard]

they can always steal the vrca files from the cache

but i dont think they can grab the whole project

[ruby needle]

more like, they could request it directly

[vocal shard]

it's apparently fixed

i never heard of it again from any groups

[ruby needle]

anyway, that was a thing which mainly is the reason i disabled it

tho i dont feel the need to enable it again

if it breaks at some time

[vocal shard]

i mostly disabled it cuz i tend to have pretty big project

[ruby needle]

it's still saving so much

[vocal shard]

30 minutes of upload for one avatar is a bit annoying

[ruby needle]

yes

especially to find out you forgot something

or its still scuffed

[vocal shard]

[twin vessel]

or, even better

when audio sources just dont work because you created them inside the hierarchy of a gameobject and not in the scene

ive had this several times

it's so inconsistent

[sleek bone]

@vocal shard wait it's basically uploading the whole project?

No wonder why it's so fucking slow

My project is huge

[vocal shard]

yes it does

it upload the whole thing

[sleek bone]

Might make another project for future proofing exclusively

[vocal shard]

you could just put prefabs of your uploaded models in there

[hearty wyvern]

30 minutes to upload ONE project? what's your internet speed? yeesh. xD

[vocal shard]

30 minutes to upload it with future proofing on

so the whole project

which is several GB

[hearty wyvern]

i turned on future proofing, I refine all my creations down to minimal (one or two) meshes most of the time and make sure i don't have a hundred mats. usually takes about 3 minutes

back up your packs too, and remove the extra, unused, stuff from the project as well. saves loads of data.

[rigid crescent]

i've never had an avatar take more than 2 minutes, weird

oh wait, the entire project

[vocal shard]

yes

the whole thing

all animations file, all sounds, all textures

everything

[south viper]

all other avatars w

that's the bit with the real comedy

I don't suppose unity 2017 added a proper way to share resources across projects

[rigid crescent]

openign the project using the new unity?

[ruby burrow]

I can't help but be a little sceptical that it literally uploads the entire project. The difference in time I saved by turning off FP doesn't seem anywhere near big enough to be the difference between uploading the entire project or just the relevant files.

Like sure, turning it off did speed things up quite a bit, but by no means the 20 fold difference one of my projects would take.

[umbral oracle]

I found in the past it seemed to make a unity package with dependencies of the avatar you selected, not the whole project. But it misses cginc files so many shaders would be broken, and no editor scripts. Recovering from one of these would be a challenge.

[south viper]

I'm not opening it with the new unity until I need to, but I was hoping to split the project up, which is why I wonder whether there's a proper way to share resources

if there isn't, I guess I'll be messing about with symlinks to get something working

[umbral oracle]

There kind of is: sync the assets folder to version control and use a branch or let them both symlink assets

[south viper]

the entire project is in version control 🤔

[umbral oracle]

But unity goes through your shaders and does some string replaces on them on upgrade

[ruby burrow]

Mhmm. That was my assumption. That it still only uses the files the avatar depends upon, but in some slightly more complete manner.

[umbral oracle]

Other than that the changes should be mostly contained to meta files and Library, obj directories

[ruby burrow]

I've got a 2gb project I use to test any shaders/particles etc that I get, and with future proofing on it takes about four minutes to upload the test avatar, whilst without it's about 2 minutes.

Trying to upload 2gb for me would take ages.

[umbral oracle]

My guess is the original textures, fbx files is why it's slower

[south viper]

2 minutes to 4 isn't even slower

that's literally 2 minutes for the avatar, 2 minutes for the project

I was guessing that futureproofing might just do the same thing you get when making a unitypackage

that thing follows references to figure out what to include but then omits shader dependencies

[ruby burrow]

Well my point is that there's no way in hell it's uploading the entire contents of the project in that bit of extra time.

The main thing that's nice about having it turned off, is simply that it lets you get to naming the upload much quicker, and then you don't need to babysit it anymore.

[south viper]

some people were supposedly having unity hang when they had it enabled, which is why there's a bit of a culture of turning it off

[ruby burrow]

Where as with it, you kind of get that awkward waiting period, or otherwise alt-tab out and forget about it for a while.

Not sure if it's what you're referencing there or not, but I discovered what was causing the irritating "pause bug" by the way.

[south viper]

I wish they would prompt for that stuff up-front

or better yet, store it in the project somehow, so that you don't have to even enter it

like put the values you're entering into the avatar descriptor

[ruby burrow]

There's an option in the 'console' tab underneath the scene view, called 'pause on error', or some such.

I don't know how or when it got turned on for me, but deselecting that will prevent Unity incessantly pausing and locking up during the upload process.

With or without future proofing.

[south viper]

yeah that is a known thing

we shouldn't be getting errors which cause it to pause, but there are those incessant json parsing errors which still haven't been fixed

[ruby burrow]

I wish it was a "known thing" the last few times I asked about it in here. xD

Just luck of the draw on when exactly I tried asking I guess.

[south viper]

yeah, sometimes I see someone ask that in other channels and it gets jumped on immediately

[ruby burrow]

On time in the past, I was looking for help or advice regarding a velocity based particle shader. Asked in the avatars channel three separate times over the course of a week, hoping the right person might be around and willing to help. Had no luck.
The next week I see someone else asking the exact same question as me, and got the answer I needed from it.

[south viper]

ah, I had to figure that whole thing out myself because nobody was ever around who knew at the time lol

[ruby burrow]

I made sure to thank the guy for asking it, and we helped each other go through the following steps of getting our projects working.

[south viper]

I can't even remember what I got wrong now because I rebuilt it and the second one worked and couldn't figure out why

[ruby burrow]

I was initially stuck on simply not knowing I needed the shader. Then later stuck on the bit about how to configure it, with the custom values bit.

If I remember correctly though, Unity 2017 contains in-built support for mesh based particles following their orientation. Which will be nice.

[queen mango]

Uhh.. May wanna post that one on random chat

[ruby burrow]

We'll be able to use more interesting shaders on mesh particles, without having to resort to a clever hack to make them work at all.

[south viper]

good news, I just got my magic die shader performance to 4x faster than before I started

now I can spam 4x more of them at once

but I don't think I can physically fit any more in the space anyway so I'll just take the FPS gain

[maiden hound]

Has anyone else experienced this in WMR? My camera stops working on my headset and i can still move my head around, but i cant move as in walk forward. And my controllers like teleport away from me but they still work. My lights on, it works for a little bit once i unplug it and replug it in, but then like 30 minutes later it just stops working

[halcyon kestrel]

AnimeChat XD

[rigid crescent]

ok

[night lark]

bunger

borger mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[south viper]

gloria?

[valid ember]

Does anyone know the hotkey for turning on safe mode ?

[sterile drift]

"AnimeChat" mk

I'm seeing a lot less MMD models around, though that might just be the people I hang out with

[vocal shard]

legit on my negit

[modern flicker]

does anyone know how to lock the bar doors on the great pug

[vocal shard]

you cant..?

[river niche]

when we get the update to unity 2017 how are we gonna transfer our projects onto it if we can?

[vocal shard]

automatiaclly transfer probably

[opaque hawk]

I think it’s just your friends group eevee

[river niche]

so you think we will be able to keep the documents and just install the new unity and log in?

[vocal shard]

yeah probably

you know its diarrhea when you have unity 2018 and not 2017 wheezes on wheezles

[wise trench]

so has anyone used the NEw unity 2017

[dense plank]

Is good

[civic plume]

why is it when i close vrchat it always hangs back then stops responding, like wtf -_-

[wise trench]

but is there a new sdk for the new unity

like im lost with it

wait.........

[sterile drift]

@modern flicker So I just looked back here. Those users who you see locking the bar door at the Pug basically work there.

[wise trench]

okAy i got the new unity but i have no shaders

[modern flicker]

very strange

[civic plume]

be the one guy that goes out into the fog for us, tell us what breaks and what is better and what we can do. i cant wait to see all the issues i gotta fix and things i can do

[vocal shard]

i noticed something weird with animations

like if you have a custom idle standing animation

it affects the crouch idle

it kinda combines the two

so i have a flying animation

and when i go crouch. in previous versions when it worked. itll go on the ground standing crouching

now it does like a bending halfway while flying still

i even tried changing the idle crouch animation and it still didnt work

[daring lark]

Is ahegao allowed

[queen mango]

Uh.. No, it deffo ain't allowed.

[vocal shard]

whats ahegao

nevermind

[sturdy flume]

on the steam merging does it overwrite the vrchat account or does it merge with it as in combine total hours played

[severe loom]

i liek to know 2 😛

[vocal shard]

it will link the steam account to the vrchat account

transferring friends and hours in it

[severe loom]

dies that mmean it overwrite hours or combine ?

[vocal shard]

combine

[vernal cave]

Hoi ya'all, Im thinking about playing VrChat again and wanted to ask: Are there still many Players? Is the game still Lively?

[vocal shard]

there are currently around 6700 people playing

so yes, it's still lively

you get around 4k to 6k people during week days

usually a bit higher during week ends

[rigid crescent]

seen 9k+ a lot recently

If yo ustarted after like March, odds are there's more people than when you started

[vernal cave]

I started last december and stopped around summer

[rigid crescent]

stopped I mean, whoops

yeah, then tthere's more people than when you stopped

[vernal cave]

Oh cool

[rigid crescent]

probably around 2k+ more if i had to guess

[vernal cave]

So ill have to redownload blender today and make myself a New avatar

[elfin cloak]

good luck

[vernal cave]

Also for some reason VrChat loses connection with my PC. It only started After they introduced things like Player titles (newcomer , well-known,etc)

[vocal shard]

lose connection with your PC ?

[vernal cave]

Maybe it will work After i reinstall it today

Yeah

Lost connection with the servers

[vocal shard]

you using VR ?

[rigid crescent]

man i still get that sometimes

[vernal cave]

Nah

[rigid crescent]

its so annoying, but im not sure if its me or my internet

[vocal shard]

no clue then

[vernal cave]

Im a PC pleb

[rigid crescent]

I do get it in VR. You know a fix Svel?

[vernal cave]

It just looses connection After like 5 min

And I have to wait for the servers to reconnect

[vocal shard]

you use wifi, mic ?

[rigid crescent]

nah, direct connection

[vocal shard]

and it only happen when you use VR ?

[rigid crescent]

I'm mainly in VR, so I can't really say if it happens in desktop or not

but so far, it hasn't happened in desktop, but i dont spend much time in it

[vocal shard]

i wonder if it's not a bandwidth issue

[rigid crescent]

it could be, it's only started happening recently

and not with any specific patch, and my internet has been acting kinda spotty too

[vocal shard]

i don't see any other reaoson why it wouldnt work by using your VR

so i'm fairly certain it's some bandwidth bullshit

[umbral reef]

@rigid crescent Try editing your DNS to google's our cloudfare's one

[grave carbon]

Which world is best for streaming from twitch or youtube?

[queen mango]

Can be any world

Just bring your friends along and you'll get some experience

[grave carbon]

I meam which one is actually working. I can play youtube videos but not twitch.

[queen mango]

Oh.. There's Muni's Hangout House

[umbral nova]

Yep

It's pretty laggy for me, though it could be a case of bad PC

[queen mango]

Most likely that.. Mine takes quite some time to load up

[umbral nova]

It's one of the few worlds that actually doesn't crash me because of a Video player

[harsh lantern]

hey guys

[harsh lantern]

i need some help with my avatar

because for some reason the spine of my avatar it's broken

[thorn latch]

Maybe it needs a wheelchair

[harsh lantern]

lol

[vocal shard]

How do i level up from being a user?

[ruby needle]

just play the game 😃

[vocal shard]

I have been 😦

[placid zealot]

Play the game, upload avatars, world etc

Find friends

[pure shore]

gae

who wants friends lol

[vocal shard]

I've played the game for hours and made my own avatar heh

[placid zealot]

That's gaye for you ghost.

[pure shore]

no, gae

[placid zealot]

Gaye 🤠

[pure shore]

😦

[modern sand]

#general-media

[placid zealot]

Depends on the hours @vocal shard It's going to be alot of hours.

[vocal shard]

Like 100+? i've got 80 something right now :3

[placid zealot]

I've got 800-900 hours. I can't tell you for sure when you "hit" anything. Just keep playing and having fun.

You'll get there.

[pure shore]

holyshit

[vocal shard]

Ah alright THanks ❤

[pure shore]

900 hours equals 37.5 days.

[vocal shard]

I wanna learn how to make worlds thinking about it

[placid zealot]

It's not that important though anyway you shouldn't worry unless you don't have the ability to upload anything.

[pure shore]

37,5 days in game

ffs

People

[placid zealot]

Haha been playing for a long time my guy

[pure shore]

I think we've reached the pinnacle of humanity

[ruby needle]

and i think you dont need to be here 😃

[pure shore]

same

[placid zealot]

Ghost do you play the game even or are you here to complain?

[ruby needle]

He's not here anymore 😉

[placid zealot]

Ah thank you for that! I was wondering why they were even here.

[rigid lagoon]

He was more than likely under the age of 13 anyway

[vocal shard]

What can i do about certain people talking about like hacking in game? i never thought i'd be something to happen in VRChat but

[rigid lagoon]

If they're just talking about it I don't think you can really do anything

Except block/mute them.

[vocal shard]

They where talking about IPs and making people disconnect and "Ping Freezing"? or something like that

Depending on what they're talking about, email moderation about it with evidences attached.

[ruby needle]

Make a video of them and mail that to moderation.

[placid zealot]

I tend to leave or block/mute.

[vocal shard]

i left asap because i don't mess with dat :3

[placid zealot]

Fair decision :)

[vocal shard]

There was something with no name, i have no clue on how but

[ruby needle]

Without reports the Ingame Mod Team cant do anyting about them tho. So always keep that in mind.

[vocal shard]

Ah my bad

[rigid lagoon]

You can hide your name tag with a bit of unity magic

that's nothing special

[ruby needle]

you can always klick on a user tho

[vocal shard]

If you can't see their name, open up your menu and point at them.

I'm also having a real bad issue with VRChat using up a great deal of CPU usage

i have a decent build so i'm not sure on how to tackle it lagging

[rigid lagoon]

If you hold shift while starting the game you can change some stuff, but it's generally just an extremely CPU-demanding game

[vocal shard]

Yeah, it takes a good 5 minutes to lad avatars

[rigid lagoon]

What also might help is clearing your cache

[ruby needle]

loading avatars also depends on your network speed since you have to also load them 😃

[vocal shard]

Within VRChat i have no clue on how to clear my cache :3

[ruby needle]

#vrchat-support

[umbral nova]

!cleancache @vocal shard

[floral flax]

You can clean cache by deleting everything within C:\Users\%Username%\AppData\LocalLow\VRChat\vrchat apart from output_log.txt and config.json if you have them

[vocal shard]

Thanks mate

anyone know how to get Trusted User? How many hours you need exactly and how many avatars? theres no guideline for this or im blind

:3

[ruby needle]

You dont need a specific time neither a specific amount of avatars.

[vocal shard]

A lot of hours, upload avatars & worlds

etc

[ruby needle]

You dont even need a single uploaded thing.

[vocal shard]

so u HAVE to have worlds

[ruby needle]

NO

[vocal shard]

o_O

D:

just be active?

I guess yeash

[ruby needle]

Ranks are based on a trust score.

Think about it like EXP you gain while playing.

Exact factors are unknown.

[vocal shard]

hm

Like leveling up in runescape

so just play the game and gain trust score lol

XP for killing things, XP for playing

[ruby needle]

correct @vocal shard

[vocal shard]

aight

[safe prism]

steam users have been seen with trusted btw

[umbral nova]

@vocal shard I've seen Steam users with Trusted

[safe prism]

can’t upload uwu

[vocal shard]

im using steam and have only 108 hours

so idk if this counts since im logged in with VRChat account

[safe prism]

Most people I know that have trusted are in the 1k+ hour zone

[vocal shard]

oof

[safe prism]

and if you’re logged in with a vrchat account, that’s not a steam account, so unrelated xd

[vocal shard]

hm

oki

[safe yacht]

I find trust is a very poor measurement of how much I can actually trust users.

[umbral reef]

I trust everyone

And still have to get crashed or bad shit

[safe yacht]

Really new users are mostly spewing garbage over mic. The people who are purple or orange, often have the most distruptive and annoying avatars.

[umbral reef]

Well- I have had plenty of shitty avatar world avatars in the worlds i have been but...

[safe yacht]

A vast majority of hte people who’s avatars I block are Trusted or above.

[vital rune]

I'm so not too keen with the trust system

[safe yacht]

The system lets me regulate who I see though, which is good.

But it definetly isnt a good measurement for who can be trusted.

[inner vale]

Maybe it's because I'm new, but I don't really pay much attention to anyone's trust level. If I like them, I like them. If not, they probably get blocked and/or muted.

[safe yacht]

Yeah

[umbral reef]

I do tend to have better conversations with higher ranked users-

[safe yacht]

I find its always smart to hide the people who’s avatars have bright, neon colors, garish effects and facial masks... for real. Im proven right so often it’s amusing.

[vital rune]

anyway

am I the only one who's anticipating that the 2017 upgrade

would end up a total disaster

[safe yacht]

Higher rank users tend to be insular and full of themselves, in my experience.

Update for what?

[inner vale]

I don't care about Unity.

[umbral reef]

Mainly because avatar worlds will get reuploaded a lot more Yea

@inner vale The game itself is swapping unity version

[vital rune]

if the update that changed the loading bar textures isnt the most disasterous update

then idk what it is

[umbral reef]

Read #announcements

[inner vale]

I just joined the Discord to talk about the game, though...

[umbral reef]

Its an future update on the game though 👀
Amd will change how the game works

[inner vale]

I see. I also thought it was a prank or something based on initial reactions when it was first announced.

[umbral reef]

Im happy i was sleeping when it got posted

But most users dont know what will exactly change- As its not what users think will change

[vital rune]

either way

I'm really anticipating this would be another disasterous update

[umbral reef]

Why? Most of the game stays the same and you can try it out already

[vital rune]

the previous updates, most especially the one that pointlessly changed the loading bar texture (as an example)

gave me this feeling

[umbral reef]

If people dont play the beta, test it and report things big or small

Updates wont go smooth

[vital rune]

the beta version that is the first implementation of the trust system

and after that, didnt went so well

[umbral reef]

Last update went so badly because no one reporetd the bugs

While they where a thing on the beta...

[vital rune]

well then, either way it wouldnt really surprise me

[unkempt cliff]

Trusted/Known users are mostly people full of themselves? I guess I have a good set of friends with those ranks then, because that doesn't seem to be the case.

[tacit plank]

Trust system works just fine

A lot of things was predicted about it, but it's barely mentioned anymore I think. Now and then I meet somebody whose shader I know is off (looks too shiny or something) but that's it really

[vocal shard]

Just because of a person's rank doesn't instantly mean that person will be an ass. Most of my friends who are trusted are nice and always willing to help out and welcome anyone. Some completely turn off trusted and just appear as user.
On the flipside, there are jerks with trusted ranks, and jerks with lower ranks, but i think the trusted ones stand out more because the rank alone makes them stand out.
Ranks do affect some people's attitude and i still think they're a bad idea, but it's not fair to generalize

[umbral reef]

And i can totally confirm this ^
Got so far even that i made buddies with a group of high ranked users, got them all to 'unrank' themself and then world hop around a bit

Peeps act diffrent to them then apprently, who would have guessed

[finite kraken]

@vocal shard yo you good with having a blood elf avatar in vrc?

[vocal shard]

what you mean? lol

[sonic verge]

<is trusted user, most of the time abused instead of the abuser himself, LOL rip me

[finite kraken]

Like you have a blood elf model in vrc? Because I love wow models in vrc

[vocal shard]

i dont

[finite kraken]

I can work on one for you

[rustic yoke]

how do i merge vrchat and steam? where do i get the steam link token?
they dont explain it all that well on the website

[umbral reef]

Log into the steam account and there is a button to merge stuff that explains it

[digital girder]

can i get shorter play time for vrchat so i can play with my long duck oc

[umbral reef]

Nope- They dont make exceptions for anyone when it comes to the trust system

[digital girder]

k

[placid zealot]

I haven't really come across people genuinely being shitty against people for their rank thankfully.

[rigid crescent]

"I do tend to have better conversations with higher ranked users-" I've noticed this too, but even if they're hiding their rank, I'm still able to tell usually.

like even if we're not talking about things really VRChat related as far as avatars and stuff go. It's kind of easy to tell who is and isn't a new-ish member

[vocal shard]

I actually usually get better conversation from lower ranked users. Mostly because i see high ranked users and get all shy. Even though i am one.

[tacit plank]

Russian Tanks are usually white

[inner vale]

Lol

[rigid crescent]

I play with names off, so unless I'm trying to find someone to mute (open mic or whatever), I can't actually see ranks

I do know people who hide them so they seem more "approachable" by people though

[tacit plank]

Or click them, I guess. It's easier to talk with people if you know their name

[rigid crescent]

i think more just turned it off and forgot, or never turned it on to begin with lol

I guess? I've had pretty long conversations with strangers without even knowing their name until they add me or something

[tacit plank]

Yeah, but how do you get their attention?

[austere burrow]

The only thing I like about having my rank is people don't tell me I look untextured anymore.

[rigid crescent]

i just join in on the conversation?

[tacit plank]

Yeah but if you want to know where a persons avatar is from when he's talking to somebody else, you need to call out with something

[placid zealot]

Just wait until there convo is done or just ask them?

[rigid crescent]

yeah, I usually just wait, but I don't think I've ever asked that question

[fast dawn]

issa game just join in on the convo O.o

[grave carbon]

Any Smite players? Wanna host viewing party for finals..

[inner vale]

stop spammin

[queen mango]

Jeez. His discord inv link is everywhere

[sterile drift]

u h

Alright ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vocal shard]

Hey guys, do you think the latest update of unity would destroy my performance?

[civic plume]

omg

[vocal shard]

It shouldn't (if they can work things better, performance may be increased)

[vernal cave]

what is your opinion on creating 2nd accounts?

[subtle prawn]

Don't get banned on either of them 😃

[vernal cave]

xD youre technically right

But i meant it in having a new account to meet people. The new one doesnt have the same friends so, you cant join your friends if youre bored but they also cant join you

[ruby needle]

it's fine to have multiple accounts