hey
#vrchat-general-2
fresh sentinel
you know the good old saying "try turning it off and on again"?
Let me go hit my head on a wall
vocal shard
I relate
supple python
Oof boi
frank ivy
Meanwhile I can't get the vrchat to pick up by microphone
It'll acknowledge "Yes, sound is coming from this microphone via the icon at the bottom left"
But my mouth won't move and people wont' hear me.
fresh sentinel
It's like when my soundcard stopped working and I was panicking, until I turned it off and on again
worldly comet
just got be sure, you selected the microphone in vrchat too right? @frank ivy
vocal shard
I feel like everyone should just try to turn it off and on again
frank ivy
Restarting hasn't work, verifying cache, changing exclusive use in recording properties, selected the microphone in vrchat
used other microphones in vrchat
tested to listen to my voice in desktop (Which worked fine)
tranquil perch
do you also have it set as your default recording device in gemeral?
tranquil perch
odd
worldly comet
so do people just not hear you in game?
like do your visemes trigger
but people can't hear you
frank ivy
Yes
frank ivy
Pretty sure it was already at 100% but I'll try to rescale it around
Maybe it only visually shows it's at 100%
tranquil perch
maybe you accidnetly clicked above the mute butotn and accidnetly hit 0%
bleh, bad typing on that one
frank ivy
Yeah, it was only visually on 100%
worldly comet
👍
worldly comet
no problem
vocal shard
u just asked one
vocal shard
pwned
worldly comet
if you want to be able to move arms, legs and so on then yes you need it to be rigged
karmic bramble
i wish for none of these things
worldly comet
you might have to have an unused skeleton in the project though anyway for the vrchat sdk to accept it, you're better off asking in the #avatars-2-general channel regarding this
safe prism
you don't need a skeleton, no
you can be a regular unity sphere and no one would tell you you can't
worldly comet
alright, I've never tried to upload anything that wasn't rigged, so wasn't sure how it would be treated by the sdk 😃
safe prism
i used one as a pedestal placeholder
jade anchor
anyone know why I might be getting like 5-10 second deley from the time I talk to the time my friend hear me?
It just recently started happening..
worldly comet
fast internet doesn't necessarily mean good latency to the servers
hot jungle
beta
vocal shard
dude dont call him a beta
radiant kraken
i just like to know how pokes game look like it does and mine does not
indigo fern
thats very vague, but the answer was probably the open beta
ivory folio
he gets special streamer privileges
indigo fern
now it is closed, yea
radiant kraken
I like to tell you something
radiant kraken
ME and 4 other ppl started streaming the game BeFOR POKE AND others showed up
shy nest
indigo fern
shy nest
well i mean poke was already an established streamer
radiant kraken
really
shy nest
he streamed overwatch before vrchat
radiant kraken
just cuz thay have VR
ivory folio
🤔
indigo fern
🅱overwatch 
ivory folio
poke stole your viewers, confirmed
radiant kraken
YUPPPPPPPP
shy nest
makes sense that they'd be one of the top because a) established viewer base b) somewhat entertaining
whole flare
If others are stealing your viewers is that their fault for being more entertaining or your fault for not being entertaining enough? 🤔
safe prism
entertainment value, existing feeder communities, community look/feel
so much goes into that
teal hedge
Hi this might be a dumb q but someone offered to make me a slightly custom model of an avatar, made it, and then I’m like “how do I use it” and he said to give him my username and password and he’d upload it for me 😐 I’m waiting on the account to be verified today but like, does that sound as ridiculously sketch to you guys experienced with custom avatars as it does to me?
indigo fern
dont forget RNG, especially with a game where you interact with others
shy nest
if its someone you dont know, dont do it @teal hedge
whole flare
As such, can hardly blame the streamer for 'stealing' viewers. If people just like anothers streamers community more though. It's not like they do it intentionally
shy nest
just tell them to send the unity package
teal hedge
That’s what I’m thinking @shy nest seemed like a pretty nonsensical solution
Ok thanks 🙏
whole flare
@teal hedge it may sound sketchy but this is the only way right now for creators to upload content to your account without risking the unity files leaking. Tho normally we make people change their password to something temporary and back afterwards. Tho i tend to just use teamviewer and let people type in the password themselves to save the hassle.
teal hedge
Ah interesting
Does the player expose any risk to their pc through letting this download happen like
Can people include malicious stuff on the package they install or send
radiant kraken
I am very well established I was one of four people that were streaming vrchat poke his friend came from YouTube mainly became popular because of them but the people that started streaming the game today get any recognition for it noyeah sure nags got a free t-shirt out of it but Poke and everybody else gets so many donations to get stuff and I've been streaming the game since beforeit even had a picture on Twitch
safe prism
they can but you did pay for it, i doubt it'd happen
teal hedge
What were your avg views before and after he started streaming
You don’t have to say specifics but like did it drop by a certain %?
safe prism
you could file paypal disputes and publically denounce if something like that happened ehe
whole flare
True
teal hedge
^ty @safe prism
shy nest
very well established
829 followers
he probably had a shitload more than that when he started streaming
whole flare
But thats only if they send the unity package, i generally feel more safe if they just login for me, then they atleast don't have anything on my pc. Unless i just wanne mess with the files myself
radiant kraken
yuppppp @shy nest
rigid crescent
If they get banned, or any account they've logged in for, you have a pretty good chance of getting banned too
radiant kraken
I was getting people that were playing the game to come watch me if it's a foreign concept to most of the people in vrchat
teal hedge
Also Ryan I’d def do my best to see how I can innovate in the content space before like getting a little too mad about others “stealing” space because you can’t really change who they are and their influence, but you can try to find either a) your own niche or b) understand how to develop similar influence
Which is a bit more constructive in terms of thought energy
rigid crescent
So are a lot of things, and people still choose to let others do it. It's the convenience people like.
teal hedge
Oh interesting
radiant kraken
I'm not mad about it I'm just a little bit upset that you know I work so hard to do something and they justover to that game and they get special privileges
teal hedge
Such is a bit of the nature of reach, but is your core niche in tact? Like core viewers?
rigid crescent
Some people are just more interesting than others. Kinda how it is.
whole flare
I have like 10 avatars i made myself some really good quality that i spent weeks on, but my favorite avatar is still one i bought from yuumi*, no matter how good you are sometimes you just like others work more then your own :p
rigid crescent
Yep, basically. If the "it's easy, do it yourself" logic really held up, more people would make their own clothes and fast food would be out of business.
thick flare
can relate
i used have a lot of opinion about other people's avatars
until i upload my own
teal hedge
Lol 😄
radiant kraken
deleted my cache and I still can't get my Game Gear model cuz it's been replaced with this boat girl
radiant kraken
no somebody uploaded it for me
rigid crescent
One thing that still gets me is when avatars from worlds look cool, have facial expressions, but for some reason they didn't bother doing anything with the hands so they just have that weird claw position
radiant kraken
but I have since changed my password before then so
rigid crescent
Yeah they probably changed the avatar ID
radiant kraken
so how do I get it removed
rigid crescent
you log into the SDK and delete it
radiant kraken
oh goody that means I have to make another account yay
thick flare
manage uploaded content
rigid crescent
why would you need a new account
radiant kraken
sorry I brought up the whole views drama thing
rigid crescent
Log in to the SDK with your account. Delete avatar.
ivory folio
I didn't think you could upload to someone else's avatar ID?
radiant kraken
@rigid crescent no I mean on Unity
rigid crescent
Oh a unity account
whole flare
Why would someone else have your unity account?
vocal shard
for the lolz
radiant kraken
they had my vrchat login and they uploaded the avatar for me cuz I trusted them some people are really nice and you can actually trust them and they won't use your information to get into your game
blazing wave
did anyone get the new intel wirless for the vive?
radiant kraken
I don't know anything about Unity or how to rig anything
radiant kraken
I've never made a Unity account
safe prism
¯_(ツ)_/¯
twin jacinth
If i t's a random person that is not know within the community i'd hesitate to let them log into my account, however if that person is know i'd do it.
radiant kraken
I only did it because I don't know how to upload stuff or rig stuff I'm not computer illiterate when it comes to stuff like thing
whole flare
Rig*
quartz basin
Why not just watch a tutorial how to? We all started from scratch.
twin jacinth
A golden rule is to never give away any of your account information to people you don't know
However if the person is known within the community it's okai as other's can confirm if he is legit or not
Is it a unkown person never do it.
Also a simple youtube search helps you with uploading.
plain oracle
I have one main hope for that near-useless ranking system...
quartz basin
Abolish it?
plain oracle
Remove the fact you have to surround yourself with high ranked people to get higher ranks.
That, too.
I know people who were SKYROCKETED to veteran because they are literal VRChat strippers
And people flocked to him
But it only skyrocketed when he was constantly being around other already higher rank users.
We were the same rank and he went from Known to Vet in a week.
quartz basin
So VRchat promotes procrastination?
radiant kraken
@twin jacinth yea there washter 3 other ppl there that make stuff that siad he could do it from me with out takeing my VR name and stuff so i let him
plain oracle
No, it promotes only choosing who you be with based on high rank.
IE, "Don't even talk to me if you're known or lower"
thick flare
modify it
thick flare
when you are friend with low rank people, it demotes you
plain oracle
Well yeah, you can't get feedback without actively letting people know how the system works.
rigid crescent
exposes jerks, sounds good to me
rigid crescent
but that soundsuseful
twin jacinth
oof it's not released yet and most likely being tuned before release
play the beta and give feedback if you're not happy with the current system
plain oracle
No, it really doesn't.
quartz basin
VRchat is one giant social experiment. Now they want to test out the bias of the userbase by introducing colour.
rigid crescent
it exposes jerks
thick flare
yes, i don't care about the rank system, like you said if they refuse to talk to low rank people, i wouldn't want to be near them
plain oracle
I played the beta, I gave feedback
thick flare
but i'd have a problem if being friend with someone famous makes you rank up faster
plain oracle
But I am one of the only few that helped try to figure out how that ranking system worked in the first place.
And the beta is over
And this releases supposedly later today. I still doubt that it will be today
But we'll see
twin jacinth
As Teito said if someone with a ''high rank'' won't talk to low rank people and exposes him that's just great
i'd not want to befriend someone like that.
plain oracle
The fact we're supposed to give feedback on something they refused to give us ANY information on is asinine. It created a vacuum of misinformation and confusion and no one could properly weigh in on it.
rigid crescent
id unfriend anyone not memeing about it
quartz basin
Well, the outcome is pretty clear. You have to hang around famous people to get acknowledged. Famous people all use leg trackers to be a special snowflake. Their followers soon will get leg trackers as well to feel special. And HTC is rubbing their hands together receiving money for outdated hardware only one game will ever use.
rigid crescent
"famous"
indigo fern
We need more rank memes
plain oracle
It took us till the day the beta was over to figure out how the weighting worked, finally.
queen mango
"Known? Oh sorry, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED!"
plain oracle
And now its too late
cerulean dust
I already made a sign above my avatar saying I wont't talk to anyone below trusted.
No plebs.
rigid crescent
we do need more
twin jacinth
''Special''
Not really, leg trackers is for more immersion in the game.
I'm sure someone has it to feel special but i think in most cases it's for a more immersive vr experience :)
quartz basin
We should all come together and post pictures of Bowsette.
rigid crescent
why is it too late, they said theyd adjust it
quartz basin
Immersive VR experience? We're all anime girls in VRchat! How is that immersive?
rigid crescent
the same way anyhthing else can be immersive
quartz basin
And that is what VRchat is all about. A nerd fap fest
rigid crescent
lol
twin jacinth
It's immersive as in you can see your legs/hands moving in sync with real life which gives you the feeling of actually being there.
plain oracle
I like fullbody tracking
quartz basin
Ok, 90% of FBT goes like this: Lying in bed, spreading my legs, sitting around doing nothing.
There are few people who actually do something with their leg trackers.
rigid crescent
ok? thats not immersive?
twin jacinth
You're on another topic right now
quartz basin
Why would I waste 400€ for something I can do without wasting 400€? Nobody actually cares if they see you lying or sitting around.
Just get a damn kinect at that point.
plain oracle
With me, I gotta kick stuff. I gotta jump
Jumping, very important.
Gotta run
Gotta kick again
Check this out, failed backflip.
Sweet. Back to running
twin jacinth
Kintect is trash compared to the vive trackers
i don't think people care about what others think's lol
as i said it's for immersion.
quartz basin
A failed backflip is actually doing something.
plain oracle
I use kinect right now. My commission money for models goes to my car fund
queen mango
But I wanted VR, dammit
plain oracle
We'll see what Oculus is premiering later today.
quartz basin
I hope you pay your fair share of taxes for your commissions.
twin jacinth
Depends if the country he lives in requires him to or not
quartz basin
Come to Germany. Pay taxes for everything!
twin jacinth
Norway is worse
Expensive as shit
everywhere from 20-50% taxes depending on your salary
also if you recive a lottery ticket and win you need to pay taxes on that as well (25% i think? if it's over a certain amout)
bonus from work is always 32% taxes
Feelsnorway dude.
queen mango
What about Japan?
quartz basin
Besides the lottery tax, it's the same in Germany. You have the advantage that you're not part of the EU.
Be grateful.
twin jacinth
Oh yeah i'm grateful for that
I'm not sure about Japan the only thing i know is that they don't get paid for overtime
and that's horrible.
queen mango
Ouf
rigid crescent
actual enslavement lol
thick flare
not paying for overtime?
quartz basin
It's the same in Germany. There's no rule stating you need to get paid for overtime.
thick flare
pretty much most of the asia country
rigid crescent
That, on top of the things a company can get away with, yeah.
queen mango
Are there exceptions?
quartz basin
Depends on the employer.
thick flare
not all of them do that
quartz basin
Usually manufacturing companies pay you for overtime. Service companies usually don't.
twin jacinth
In norway you're required to get paid overtime or with free days
if it's in the weekend you get extra money because you're not supossed to work.
thick flare
if you are an executive, god bless you
and don't get me started on the overtime for nothing culture
for example even if you finished all your job, you have to stay late in order to look good
quartz basin
Let's just pretend we're still talking about VRchat before someone comes in and is all like "That's off-topic! Leave! Reeeee!"
thick flare
dw, ruubick is not here yet
queen mango
Tupper is watching us.
twin jacinth
Yeah, that's a part i hate about Japan that you have to ''stay'' even if it's pointless just to look good
non-japanese companies in japan is not like that though which is good
quartz basin
Tupper is a good boy, he won't rat us out
thick flare
should we continue to rage about the ranking system?
quartz basin
Too common
twin jacinth
No point, wait for the release and see what it becomes
queen mango
Hope I don't get left out. I just started playing NieR: Automata
quartz basin
Ruuubick is online! Quick! Back to topic!
ocean bramble
@twin jacinth Do you risk getting fired if you leave your job without overtime?
queen mango
We should keep a lookout for potential griefers when the next update rolls out.
quartz basin
What is there to grief?
twin jacinth
Posted taxes in japan in the Random-Chat
Eeh Hotox?
umbral reef
@quartz basin with the whitelisted shaders you can make an scuffed shader that only looks non annoying when shaders are turned on for example
And plenty of high ranked users are cunts still
rigid crescent
soooo...block?
thick flare
i actually like some part of it
rigid crescent
id do that without the system lol
vocal shard
It. Makes me feel inferior
rigid crescent
good meme
thick flare
don't worry, i am making a new loliavatar with a board begging for friends
with crying face expression
vocal shard
So it’s
thick flare
including the loli friend one
vocal shard
Do it
I was looking in the waiting list for admin approval and a world got denied because it had a giant gintama penis statue
queen mango
Hmm... Is that the highlight?
cold talon
south viper
That thing is a cannon though so it should be OK
They had a scale one on display in public IRL
thick flare
neo armstrong cannon
cold talon
Who placed that one in public is getting the 👏
rigid crescent
inner cape
Hallo hoomans 
twin jacinth
Did you just assume my species?
twin jacinth
vocal shard
OW
olive oriole
Lol, this is my kind of comedy
olive oriole
Being rude is sometimes the best thing to do
olive oriole
Very rood indeed, and it feels great too 
olive oriole
No? Or maybe, not sure lol
inner cape
Its poggers 
olive oriole
inner cape
Poggers is a pepe 
olive oriole
But not coggers 
inner cape
olive oriole
twin jacinth
Is that a pepe?
Ban hammer.
olive oriole
Face it, they hate weed and money lol
inner cape
olive oriole
I like the beta, but since no one is using it I wont either lol, not yet
twin jacinth
Didn't they close the beta?
cinder pier
You can't use it rn. It's currently closed.
twin jacinth
Might release it soon then ™
cinder pier
Probably very soon ™
thick flare
Probably within a week ™
cinder pier
Probably ™
twin jacinth
Most likely ™
olive oriole
Doesn't matter, if my friends aren't using it, there is no point in trying
cinder pier
The point is to help the Devs identify bugs in the beta plus you get early access to lots of new features
near sky
Lots, although most in one given category
cinder pier
Doesn't that depend on your rank and your trust settings though?
umbral reef
It does- But its always good to assume the default settings
And the trust system with giving ranks is... Well odd
cinder pier
@median basalt you can favourite 3 avatars. And they've updated the YouTube video downloader so videos should work properly
umbral reef
For that to be usefull you need to use the avatar worlds instead of uploading and creating things yourself...
And the YT thing is an bug fix- Its not an addon
cinder pier
That's true. But a lot of people don't know how to upload avatars. It'll be bad news for avatar makers though that have worlds
Yea the YT thing is just an update of a deprecated file but I just mentioned it cause it's a biggie for me and it's been like this for the past week or so. I'm literally waiting on it so I can release a map
cinder pier
No but it's a music world I've made so absolutely vital
cinder pier
Ah ok
Yep that's true .I hope you continue to make great avatars. It always amazes me what people can do on this game.
inner cape
rigid crescent
The defaults need to be fixed, but to think no one will touch them is silly.
thick flare
a lot of new players will not touch them until quite a while
just like the particle limiter
vocal shard
the particle limiter was somethign completly different
this feature is integrated within the game
thick flare
same concept
vocal shard
the limitier was a config file
inner cape
^
vocal shard
that is so out of context
rigid crescent
I think a file you have to seek out and edit is different than an in-game button. Not comparable whatsoever.
vocal shard
even the new loading screens tell how to customize your safety settings
thick flare
fair enough
rigid crescent
That's like saying people won't modify the sdk
thick flare
that is also completely different
rigid crescent
That's what I mean. It's just not related. I didn't even know about using the particle limiter til recently, but if it was an in-game button it wouldn't just be ignored.
vocal shard
also since everyone gets the safety feature a lot more people will talk about it in public worlds and new players will pick up those convos
i don't rly see an issue with new players not learning about custom settings fast enough tbh
rigid crescent
Yeah, new people don't know a lot of things but they learn pretty quickly when they talk to older players.
thick flare
then what harm will it do to set the default to unblock all settings?
vocal shard
imagine starting the game, being a new player and loading into the hub and get crashed instantly
rigid crescent
Because not everyone will see it immediately.
vocal shard
those kinda harm
rigid crescent
But its not like it'll take long.
A new player doesn't even know what a shader or particle is, much less the bad shit it can do to them.
vocal shard
yes
rigid crescent
People survived before animation overrides too. They had fun.
vocal shard
you do you teito
thick flare
board which beg people to see my particle
rigid crescent
And get blocked? Good idea lol
In all honesty I'd rather just let people see what they wanna see, and for new people allow them to learn like everyone did. I learned a lot from more experienced players and I've taught a lot to less experienced players.
I've got a friend who learned so much he started teaching me stuff, it's just how it is.
quiet beacon
Hewo
vocal shard
hi
fresh tiger
umbral reef
Magi
mighty galleon
-pats oclac-
umbral reef
Hands off
mighty galleon
no
idle cipher
there's some dude with a korean name crashing people with a giant revolver that plays an audio that says "Enjoy k o s my n***er". I already sent a report
twin jacinth
Nothing else that can be done
Report him and block
quartz basin
I would laugh my ass off. Wouldn't even be mad
uncut trail
No new update yet ?
vocal shard
no
uncut trail
grrr
cinder pier
Soon ™
granite drift
umbral reef
🔜
twin jacinth
™
ocean bramble
🇸 🅾 🅾 🇳
queen mango
Is that a quote from a Russian attack helicopter in MO: APYR?
vocal shard
💲 ⭕ ⭕ 🇳™
vocal shard
Aren't only mods supposed to be able to do that*?*
vocal shard
that's a warning ?
hushed bramble
Not a warning. A friend messaged me he was gonna go
I would SS but it's closed now
lunar willow
hushed bramble
That's a big oof
vocal shard
just had the most perfect moment in all of vrchat history
steam name was alex jones and was in a rap battle, after the guy i was rap battling was done roasting me i said in the perfect alex jones voice
my name is alex jones and im here to say, im sick of the chemicals turnin the fuckin frogs gay
thanks dude am i invited to the clique now
quartz basin
Nope, get out
vocal shard
crap your'e right
inner cape
restive ridge
ayy can i make a avatar but i have a steam account
vocal shard
no
rough pulsar
No, steam accounts cannot upload any content. You'll need to register a vrchat account.
vocal shard
vrchat account privledge is real.
fresh merlin
what is the best way to promote myself? (commissions) Cause so far i only found customers in game and i want to be found easily
vocal shard
cheatengine
restive ridge
how long do i have to wait untill i can publish my avatars?
rough pulsar
@fresh merlin Head over to #community-servers-old and join VRCTraders which is mentioned in the pinned messages there.
inner cape
fresh merlin
thanks
hallow zenith
cant wait for next patch aaaaa
inner cape
hallow zenith
we will be legaly allow to make good avatar
hallow zenith
i heard the polycount max will be higher
vocal shard
you heard bullshit then
hallow zenith
oof
hallow zenith
😭
sage mural
I was just in a room at The Great Pug and someone without a name changed my avatar and when I went to go get my old avatar back it said "disconnected" and I was left in a black void. I closed VRChat and opened it again and it asked for my login. I'm afraid to put my info in, any help or is this more of a support issue?
raven silo
@sage mural #moderation-reports
tacit plank
The function for changing avatar exists in the code, so it's possible that somebody else tricked your client into calling it. Logging in shouldn't be an issue, but you could restart the game first as it would clear the memory and any bad things in it
sage mural
yeah, i know it sounds impossible but im afraid it might be some kind of new hack or something.
tacit plank
I think it's like the "log other people out" thing, but with "change other peoples avatar" instead. If you're very unlucky, it might be an avatar which crashed you when loading, but I doubt it
In any case, you could email VRChat and tell them about the issue, and send your outputlog if you haven't started the game again since it happened (because that clears the log)
floral aspen
it's not a new hack, you got logged out
tacit plank
The difference is that somebody changed his avatar this time
floral aspen
I know. What likely happened is someone changed his avatar then logged him out
pseudo herald
restive ridge
vocal shard
Hello wonderful people of This discord server, Me and and a group of my friends are getting drunk in vrchat in about 4 hours, We will meet in the box for others laggy pcs/headsets.
Also someone told me to tell, I dont see why you all would care
mighty galleon
how much nut is gonna be there
vocal shard
Define nut and maybe I can answer
mighty galleon
nut's in your name
vocal shard
There is only one nut
ruby needle
sad to hear 
mighty galleon
fpaulllll
vocal shard
Lol well Im going to go rethink my life choices
mighty galleon
good luck
tacit plank
I doubt the box is actually very lagfree
north axle
It's been proved that performance in The Box is just as good as in most other worlds.
tacit plank
If the mirror turned itself off once you were a distance away, it used mobile shaders, it disabled shadows, static objects were actually set as static with the exception of lights (from my experience, baking lights for big objects just makes them perform worse), it should actually run fast
I just saw about 4, sean
north axle
In many cases, the problem is VRChat itself and not worlds.
tacit plank
Well, you can't optimize the tracking and sounds and loading of avatars, etc.
But you can force shadows off for the world, making everything scale better as you're literally cutting drawcalls in 2 or 3
Since you can change the camera that everybody uses to render, you might be able to do more things, but I'm no expert on unity, and it's probably harder to optimize for CPU.
I think that upping the room update rate might work, but it makes desktop users stutter a lot (and 90FPS is already about 30FPS to begin with), not sure how it affects VR users
north axle
Holy crap, Open Mic Night now requires you to download it.
Hopefully, we'll see fewer crashers in it.
umbral reef
Hu?
umbral reef
Owww like that
lusty folio
Why would that stop crasherw
All they have to do is click the world and wait for it to download lije everyone else
north axle
Crashers and ban evaders use VPN more than anybody else.
It takes them forever to load 35 MB of content.
tacit plank
Maybe if they use shit VPNs
ivory folio
The vpn I use works just as well as my normal internet
tacit plank
My brother manages about 400mbps on his
umbral reef
Payed vpns are often fast anyway so
north axle
Most of them must be using free services.
I spent 15 minutes in pubs, no cancer so far.
tacit plank
You should always be able to block people, even if they're the lobby owner
If everything else fails, block them on the VRChat website (search their name, then click them and click block)
stray saddle
Sans should be in Undertale
tacit plank
Lately the block button hasn't worked for me if they have already left
Remember, if you can't click people, you can still access them in your social menu
ivory folio
There is a client that makes you unmutable and unblockable in game
median basalt
It makes you not appear in social
So you can't do anything to stop them
Has existed for months
odd beacon
I'm not surprised honestly
cold talon
Ik triggers 
edgy blade
anybody know the names of the worlds where i can get some good LoL avatars? i've only really found 1 and it doesn't have what i'm looking for, i used to know another one in the past but i've forgotten it unfortunately (mainly looking for a gangplank avatar) any help would be appreciated - searching for "lol" or "league" doesn't bring up any relevant worlds
median basalt
Doesn't Jinx's world have a ton? @edgy blade
edgy blade
@median basalt you mean the big jinx's world? if so, no it doesn't, i had a look a few days ago, unless you're talking about a different jinx's world
vocal shard
@tacit plank youve never been to the public box
People run around with invisible unblockable unmutable clients
That sheltered life tho @tacit plank
ivory folio
Most people here live in vrprivatechat
ivory folio
Don't say that, they'll report you :o
mighty galleon
-reports moons-
ivory folio
somber lynx
anyone know a good avatar world where I could find a good bowsette avatar?
deep ingot
Nope I don't know where that's why I'm just doing my own
supple bison
So is vrchat.net a phish or is it a legit subdomain?
mighty galleon
legal
supple bison
The only site referenced in announcements is the .com url
mighty galleon
i think they also made the .net so no one else could?
tidal aspen
The only official VRChat sites are vrchat.com, vrchat.net, and vrchat.cloud.
nice pfp btw kryno
tidal aspen
seems like the .cloud doesn't work though
supple bison
Thx
vocal shard
Vrchat.net and .com are the same
ivory folio
.cloud is for the api
tacit plank
Kuro I have been in public, but just not very much
Seen one invisible character, but that was months ago
grave dagger
Not sure if the new patch will fix the unblockable invisible avatars though, unless they get caught by the rank filters?
indigo yacht
when is new update coming?
cinder pier
Soon ™
grave dagger
🤤
indigo yacht
soon in 2hr or 30min ?
rigid crescent
"hopefully next week" as of thursday, you'd think the first place people would look is announcements
vocal shard
@rigid crescent don't you know it's easier to ask and have someone's fine it for you... Oof
cinder pier
You don't even have to find it. It's usually an @ everyone
lusty folio
cold talon
do we have any more info on the avatar chairs?
green perch
donde puedo encontrar la skin de deadeyeninja36 ?
cedar magnet
Has anyone ever run into serious connection issues? no matter what world I try to join other than home, it takes forever to load, and I immediately get booted back to home
internet connection is stable otherwise
some days it's like this, others it's completely fine
floral aspen
No there hasn't been anymore info on avatar chairs
cold talon
gloomy valve
Anyone just have their experience ruined by just getting walked up to and just constantly insulted? Like even after you block or mute them?
umbral reef
Wat
rigid crescent
AFter you block or mute them they keep going?
gloomy valve
No no i mean like you kinnda feel like shit afterwards and you dont feel welcome in most worlds
Like the only world i hop into and can have decent interactions in is just the great pug
umbral reef
There are a lot of sad people within VRC public world- Takes a bit of work to find some nice people but once you do its so worth it
neon flume
Yeah just world swap, you'll find some cool people. I always make a point to hangout in public as often as I can so I can meet kind new people and spread a bit of positivity.
tacit plank
Have you tried a cute character? I think I've been insulted like 3 times in all of my VRChat hours. Once by a group who randomly told me that nobody liked me, I guess they were just being dicks to people? Second time it was because my avatar was anime themed, and the third time it was a Russian calling me a blyat for no apparent reason
I just act like my own weird self, licking people or drawing stuff or whatever. It's almost weird how accepting people seem to be. Maybe they're just scared of my deep voice?
neon flume
I think the majority of people on vrchat are good and are genuinely just there to hangout and have a good time. Overall I think we're a fairly welcoming and accepting bunch.
tacit plank
Personally I have a good time. Maybe I subcounciously avoid those that seem bad and walk up to the nice people or something
I can usually tell by avatars and names how people will act
forest salmon
In my experience most people with vr are nice people, maybe cause it's harder to be a dick, when you are "immersed". Or because they spent a load of money and you want the game to be fun so being mean is harder. 🤷
rough pulsar
I've definitely noticed that too.
I'd say it's a part of why the feel of vrchat has changed as the VR-NonVR user balance shifted.
forest salmon
How hard did it actually shift I've had vr for I think almost a year now but only started to play vrchat, I think 8 or 7 months ago?
quick oxide
I was a desktop user for the first 400 some-odd-hours, and started a family friendly group in the game that grew to 300+ members in less than a month. People will be people regardless of their chosen input/interface. :P
rough pulsar
When I started in VRChat almost two years ago the desktop users were noticable because the majority had VR.
quick oxide
Eventually you will come to know a bunch of decent players and you'll never end up in an awful room again.
river thunder
I hope vr is more accesible with that new oculus quest thing
quick oxide
I can't remember the last time I ran into trouble and I never visit private/friends only worlds.
ruby needle
people buy 144hz gaming displays that cost more then a HMD
river thunder
its a entire system
ruby needle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
quick oxide
I have since purchased an Oculus, though.
umbral reef
Well your taping two screens on your face... and expect them to run at a high FPS with some extra stuff
rough pulsar
With no disrespect to the world authors as it's nothing to do with them, avoiding The Great Pug, Presentation room and some other popular worlds is the best way to avoid unpleasant users.
quick oxide
Trolls do tend to congregate where they can offend/crash the largest amount of people.
Also, don't hesitate to use the block button. :P
I'll ask ya nicely to stop being a dork. If you can't manage, block.
river thunder
I spend most of my time in the court room
quick oxide
The court room?
rough pulsar
With screamer trolls I just mute them. It's great watching them spin madly in silence.
quick oxide
Nah, it doesn't amuse me to see someone ruin the game for newbies and veterans alike. That's not how one grows a community.
river thunder
Cant wait for the new system
rough pulsar
It varies based on who's present and how bad they are.
vale palm
Is there a bug on vrchat that shows ppl you were friends with as nonfriends but you actually are their friend on their list still?
rough pulsar
Just like the real world you need some degree of social skills for vrchat.
vale palm
no removing involved
rough pulsar
Might just be the API being slow and not pulling friends data properly.
quick oxide
VRChat also tends to attract the socially awkward/inept, the depressed, etc. Doesn't mean they're all bad, but hey...
forest salmon
With the oculus quest I really wonder how they are going to fit a pc, a battery, 2 (hopefully) high res screens and tracking, without it weighing like 2 bricks having a battery life of 30 min and overheating. 🤔
ruby needle
it's not going to be a high performance gaming device 
gloomy valve
@tacit plank cayeah i mostly get insulted for my vaporware themed hyena avatar.
rough pulsar
~mobile VR~ it's... generally disappointing.
forest salmon
yeah we're probably not the target demographic
umbral reef
The tech is imo just not there yet... Unless Phones and other smaller machines dont become even better- What it isnt looking like
You will always need an fairly good machine for VR
umbral oracle
I think in 5-10 years mobile xr could be the thing most people use, once inside out tracking has gotten closer to perfect and phone gpus will be better than today's desktop gpu
velvet quarry
I wouldn't mind grabbing one as a general "Travel" VR, depending on how decent it ends up being.
forest salmon
Maybe like a switch for vr?
umbral oracle
They're going to have to make laws about using vr in public because someone is going to cross the street with the thing on and get killed by a car
umbral reef
Also- I seen some dope shit today
Legit a properly 3d screen but without glasses on a laptop
And it was 4K....
iron seal
imagine using google earth with it to vr the street your walking
velvet quarry
Would surely be the same issue if someone decided to wear a blindfold in the street
umbral reef
If you say anywhere near infront of the pc the 3d programed things would pop out and move with your head if you moved yours
It was so insane
umbral oracle
Ya but nobody does that. It's like how books have been around forever but nobody ever got in trouble for reading a book while driving before
forest salmon
was it like the 3d effect on the nitendo 3ds?
velvet quarry
The 3DS has a very specific angle you need to look at it to get proper 3D
umbral oracle
I wonder. The viewing angle they showed in the video seemed pretty narrow but it looked like an impressive level of depth, not just a bit of stereo ness
umbral reef
Well no then
floral aspen
Hey, at least they're porting games like Robo Recall to the quest.
umbral reef
I could legit move my head from left to right without it messing up
floral aspen
if they are able to port beat saber, that would be a best seller in no time flat
umbral reef
Well... The owners of the company are talking to big silicon valley people.. So its more then just cool thing but its an soon to be a thing cool tech thing
umbral oracle
Was it this one? https://mobile.twitter.com/dizingof/status/1018023809092333568
iron seal
oh my god, watch dogs was right, we're gonna be playing video games in public
umbral reef
Nope
floral aspen
it's still going to be an indoor device
it may be wireless but it still has sensors similar to the rift
rough pulsar
My prediction is that AR and VR will eventually converge into one device that can swap between modes and AR is generally safe for outdoor use.
tacit plank
Imagine AR giving other people an overlay which is their virtual avatar, that would be cool
I didn't really read all the chat so I might just have been repeating what you guys wrote
floral aspen
AR is the future
rough pulsar
SLAM is gonna have to get even better for good AR. Fortunately there's a variety of other fields that are researching and developing in the field.
tacit plank
It's scary though, because datamining companies will buy such things out fairly early
And then you will be walking around in "Facebook world" or whatever
rough pulsar
the major reason I will never use any of Oculus' tech.
They're too tied up to facebook.
umbral oracle
They can make pretty garden worlds with nice walls surrounding them
vocal shard
@umbral oracle What makes you think phone gpus will be better than dedicated gpus..
umbral oracle
Phone gpus of 5-10 years will be better than gpus of today. In other words, enough to run low res vr
But desktop users will always have a better experience
umbral reef
How are you so sure? Because phones in the past few years have not improved that much
tacit plank
Phone GPUs won't beat desktop ones I think, because anything battery powered will have to be low-power while desktops just pull 1kW if they wish
umbral reef
And the curve of improvement is slowing down HARD
And again- Battery problems will be a thing then
rough pulsar
Mostly because Qualcomm have dominated the mobile SOC market. Prats.
tacit plank
What is qualcomm?
I just know that they own the drivers that my Lan use and that it doesn't work if I kill it
rough pulsar
90% of mobile phone hardware was developed by them.
floral aspen
they are a mobile SoC manufacturer
rough pulsar
Or the main board anyway
near sky
Ello Ello.
Looks like I've come back to an interesting discussion!
floral aspen
most mobile phone processors are made by them
a ton of phones use their snapdragon line of processors
rough pulsar
They're part of the reason a lot of android phones only get updates for a few years then it's security patches.
near sky
Unfamiliar with SLAM; is that a prototype/AR standard/architecture?
I follow VR a pinch more.
rough pulsar
Simultaneous Localization And Mapping
near sky
Ahaa- I know exactly what you mean off of HoloLens tracking visualizations I've watched
Beautiful stuff
rough pulsar
The problem of both constructing a map of an unknown area while getting the objects position
Pretty much what WMR headsets use for their positional tracking
floral aspen
Hololens is a showcase of why AR isn't anywhere near ready for primetime
rough pulsar
I'd say the next big steps for both AR and VR are resolution and field of view.
floral aspen
definitely. The hololens FoV is absolutely dismal
rough pulsar
Getting them up to a good level will make the tech a lot more attractive.
I recall there being a fair bit of disappointment with the Magic Leap One due to its FOV being marginally bigger than the hololens.
near sky
When I used my HoloLens (had one for a while) another big consumer barrier felt like AR FOV. Not wide enough in your vision to convincingly place an object that doesn't drop off existing with a slight head-turn.
Similar to the lessser FOV barrier with VR, it'll get there with time 
floral aspen
Magic Leap was waaaayyy overhyped
rough pulsar
Yeah, that too.
near sky
Magic Leap -HL3 of the AR industry ?
rough pulsar
All their promo videos and stuff made it sound like legit magic
floral aspen
Basically their CEO doesn't know shit but spouts off a bunch of BS to attract investors
near sky
Mh. Easy fix if he piped down and lets his engineers and product demos speak for themselves. They got the funding.
umbral reef
You dont need jus the funding
near sky
Of course not!
umbral reef
You also need the people, production and time to make things
And those are just as rare as funding
near sky
With funding and a little hype, preferably honest hype, people come
Also gives you some legroom for time, so long as you organize, and have goals straight
rough pulsar
Wasn't there a thing with them where they stuck some EL-wire onto a prototype to make it look cool?
near sky
YES.
floral aspen
lol I think so
umbral reef
If a company needs to do that its already an company i wont support...
floral aspen
nothing they do could make that prototype look cool
near sky
Exposed wiring is so Sci-Fi -mus be high tech demo
lusty folio
Speaking of vr, if you have full body tracking in vrchat wont you just keep running into shit as you walk around the room?
floral aspen
not if you turn the guardian system on
rigid crescent
Not if you have a fraction of a brain lol
You shouldn't be running into anything if you follow proper setup/safety rules, and you can still use controllers to move around as well. Even without full body you can walk into shit though
rough pulsar
I've had full-body since it got released in vrchat and I've never walked into shit because I pay attention to the boundary warnings when they appear.
tacit plank
I hear some people talk about how dangerous VR is
And other people talk about how they get blackout drunk or do acid in VR in their freetime
twin jacinth
Everything you do is dangerous, even living
because living means you are dying as well
slowly but surely
vocal shard
back about 4 months ago, there was this vrchat horror world that i cant seem to find anymore
its hard to describe what it was, but i remember the player cap being 4 and you could only have 4 lives. in the beginning, you had to find statues (deer, horse, etc.) and place them on their respective pedestals next to a giant tree in the middle of the mansion
tacit plank
I never walked into anything, I did throw my controller once in Battle Discs though. It went right between my monitor and a cup of coffee I had on my desk, then hit my radiator in front of my window. Close call
vocal shard
you also only had like two flashlights
and im just curious does anybody even know anything about this map or what it was or was i just having a dream
vocal shard
i think so yeah
damn i hardcore have been wanting to play it again cause i never got to finish it
tacit plank
It was like a scanner or something. It was also very dark. Maybe "mirror" was part of the world name?
I found one called "mirror's curse", the room layout looks like that map
rigid crescent
I actually don't even use the boundaries, but my playspace is pretty clear
rough pulsar
I use OpenVR Advanced Settings to force the floor bounds always on, so I always know if I've got space to move forwards or not. Plus I have them as a nice dim red so they're not intrusive at all.
burnt locust
I got a question : if i played music on my desktop how can i make the people around in vrchat hear it ?
river thunder
you dont
ivory folio
look up voicemeeter
tacit plank
It's difficult to hit the smooth spot between "barely audioable" and "loud as fuck"
mighty galleon
dont let him know
tacit plank
You can put songs on avatars though, that way others can also change its loudness
mighty galleon
put it on avatars though and not sound fx
its annoying when people put the music on sound fx
burnt locust
I'm not trying to annoy other I swear , sometimes I hang out with my friends in VRC home and there is no good music there
i only was asking because of this
@tacit plank well I would need avatar with hand bones but I don't have
near sky
@burnt locust Pump it through your mic, yes.
Or avatar, but that has less pheasability and has a pain to switch out.
Are softwares to mix the music and your voice so you speak fine.
Careful you aren't a nuisance. May find yourself muted or blocked more often than not. I listen to music already while playing, so default mute music guys (no hate). Others have difficulty foccusingy with anything loud at all and do the same or block.
gloomy valve
I only have one prop that plays music. Its a statue of venus that plays vaporwave
near sky
That nuisance thing is only real worry when not with friends -in public
@gloomy valve Kudos! Cool idea.
burnt locust
@near sky Can i put music on avatars with no hand bones ?
rough pulsar
Voicemeeter is the way to go then. Lets you route audio output to inputs and other stuff.
As long as you're aware that in public areas not everyone may want to hear your music. But it sounds like you're just wanting it for private-ish friend groups so you'll be fine.
burnt locust
I would never use that in public , again as i said i only want that so when I hang out with my friends in worlds with no music or no good music
mighty galleon
i usually mute people who play music in public
burnt locust
Even I myself mute those who play lound music in public
near sky
@burnt locust You can.
Would turn down the DB (audio) level of that though.
Put sound source on avatar on your root or somewhere, and have it play on awake. Should work, I imagine.
May be able to use gestures to switch songs too, actually. By decativating and reactivating sound sources.
Also can't switch songs without pushing an update to the model, so heads-up.
rough pulsar
Haha right? Unless on the off chance they're playing something good.
near sky
^
100%
rough pulsar
Can't go wrong with Caravan Palace or Daft Punk
mighty galleon
i kinda have a hatred for music playing when i dont wanna hear it so i mute people 98% of the time
gotta be in that mood to listen to music
near sky
Gallium, man, I am so happy Electro Swing is a thing (rhyme unintentional) -and Caravan Palace is great
tacit plank
Caravan palace is amazing
And probably voicemeter then, some of my friends use it to play their own instruments through VRChat
I usually think it's too loud though
rough pulsar
Odd genres combined usually turn into amazing stuff.
Or when you get a musician very familiar with one style of music who has a go at something totally different.
near sky
Hey, brother, what you thinking?
Leave that old record spinning
You feel the rhythm going
BABYCANYOUMOVETOTHERHYTHMSOWECANGETWITHEM
🎺
I rest my case.
rough pulsar
Rock It For Me by them is another good one
near sky
?
inner cape
Now we bully trusted users
odd blaze
hah good riddance of veteran rank :p
vocal shard
trusted user privledge is real.
vocal shard
👏 trusted 👏 user 👏 privledge 👏 is 👏 real 👏
hoary ridge
Rip
empty anchor
how does one get beta?
near sky
Closed.
sly veldt
It's not open again yet
near sky
^
sly veldt
later this week we'll announce another
empty anchor
aah
tacit plank
"By default, if you are a Known or Trusted User your Trust Rank will be hidden, and you will show as a User" Seems like a strange choice
near sky
Another beta, before the main client push?
hoary ridge
We're getting another beta before live
inner cape
Here. We. Goooo.
hoary ridge
Correct
vocal shard
typical trusted user, hiding their privledge
river thunder
So either I get screwed
near sky
I see.
river thunder
or I get screwed more
sly veldt
Open beta though does not point to live
vocal shard
guest lives matter
sly veldt
in order to test things properly
opaque remnant
can you please let people use this beta on the live servers like all the streamers are doing?
near sky
I appreciate that this is being tested properly.
empty anchor
this beta is client side only right?
near sky
Kudos
empty anchor
as if i'd seem so
river thunder
The I get screwed more
hoary ridge
Lol
river thunder
means that I loose my rank due to not meeting the newer requirements
hoary ridge
I dont fully get how this trust system works tbh, I just hope I can use my avatars
fleet hedge
I wish I could play in my Oculus but steam vr won't open after saying it's loading several times
covert chasm
@hoary ridge It doesn't affect your use of your own avatars at all 😃
hoary ridge
LESSSSSS GOOOOOO
river thunder
it only affects your upload permissions
empty anchor
what about using other peoples avatars?
near sky
@fleet hedge If it's the error I also have: Close Oculus, Close SteamVR, Restart Oculus Service, Relaunch Steam VR.
Happens.
covert chasm
@river thunder Incorrect
tribal hornet
@covert chasm will we be able to use the beta inside the normal server? or is tha still out of the question?
fleet hedge
I deleted all the files and reinstalled everything but does the same lol. Previously it said it was opening up but closed immediately, no error message
Thanks for the help though
near sky
That was a workaround they probably don't endorse. I get the annoyance, and arguably harmless (arguably), but even still.
sweet meadow
How r u going to handle the negative feedback on the trust shader/particle settings menu?
covert chasm
@fleet hedge Check out #vrchat-support and email us if you have problems
blazing stream
It's nice they're working on updates and stuff, but I feel the dev teams head is in the wrong place. There's a new client out that even allows you to change other people avatars. Why is live not being fixed? Who knows what else said client can do
fleet hedge
Thx
pseudo stump
forest salmon
I really like the shader fallback system, I gotta say job well done 👍
tawny surge
stray quartz
near sky
@blazing stream Change other users' avatars client-side, or sever?
Either way; there's a lot to cover.
zealous tree
sweet meadow
I think if they implement that, there is no reason for custom avatar support anymore
tawny surge
:
floral aspen
@blazing stream that's not how development works. Just because some of the team is working on new features doesn't mean security isn't being worked on
near sky
Ay.
Good to see you Jakkuba.
sweet meadow
Vrchat is a stage, unity is your act
near sky
Exactly Tidus
winged igloo
Yeeeee
shy nest
It'd be better if the beta client only showed other lobbies with beta client players. That is/was one thing I really disliked about the beta, I couldnt find any decently populated lobbies because any I would join were live an would kick me to my own instance
near sky
@sweet meadow Deep.
blazing stream
Server. And I understand that, but doesn't VRchat only have a dev team of like 6 people? In that case it would mean exactly that
floral bluff
karmic bear
Well another update. They fixed half the stuff but at least they didn't fucking break anything this time, unless they forgot to add "P.S. UDON is cancelled". The screaming hardon for blocking granularity means the caste system is alive and free but at least nobody will be mean to the streamers any more. And we all know that's what really matters.
floral aspen
@blazing stream more like around 20 or so
sweet meadow
If u want to act and get boo'd off before it's not worth it
stray quartz
@shy nest VRChat has a Status update system people can weasily set thier status to "Using the Beta"
steep pagoda
^
floral bluff
wisely*
blazing stream
I just feel it should take higher priority. For instance I heard someone else already complain that betas gotten 2 updates before live has gotten one
hoary ridge
VRChat Castle System lol
near sky
Interesting you'd be able to change other users' avatars server-side..
Will be fixed I'm sure. At least not harmful for the most part.
tawny surge
vrchat safety beta on locked off servers 
hoary ridge
Thats the point of Betas though
tawny surge
how 2 test empty servers?
blazing stream
Yeah, not terribly harmful. The thing is, idk many of the details, but I heard that same client can do a lot worse
At least, it's likely.
A streamer got footage of it
floral aspen
@blazing stream again, do you even know how development works? The Beta is just testing features that will be released to live. Live hasn't received an update because the update is still in beta
blazing stream
But the footage didnt prove if it was client or not
median basalt
The changes to the trust system look dope
manic salmon
People are free to enable features for new users, they aren't stuck in standard or anything. What this does, however, is make public lobbies more tolerable than they have been for some time, and help stem a lot of the shader/particle crashing going around (for particles, in a more accessible way for people than the limiter is right now).
median basalt
However, I am still not a fan of the default settings where you need to reach Trusted just to use shaders
By default
blazing stream
Yes I understand this Tidus. But it's not looking like the betas features are working on these specific issues.
median basalt
@manic salmon this doesn't change much unless you block literally everyone's shaders
Including trusted
opaque remnant
shaders are the worst offenders when it comes to causing motion sickness due to people not being able to limit themselves
floral aspen
It doesn't look like it because no one wants a blog post consisting of "we increased security"
manic salmon
Rokk - Sure it does. It takes time and effort to raise your trust level. People won't want to throw that away so quickly, and if they do, it's not like they'll be able to just create another account and start crashing again in five minutes like they can now.
near sky
@rough pulsar Meant to pipe up about this earlier and I totally didn't. - You mentioned having a dimmer playspace, always on. Because real-floor and VRChat-floor don't correspond (which if I remember right is based off leg height? Rumor) I assume having floating non-floor lines would kill immersion a bit?
tacit plank
The ranks (like probable troll) aren't useful against hacked clients that hide you from the social menu and make you invisible in game
median basalt
@manic salmon dude, I know model stealers and crashers on my friends list that have attained veteran rank
Before you ask me to report them, I have no proof
Other than their own word
covert chasm
@blazing stream Surprisingly, blog posts titled "Safety and Security System" tend to focus on that system. We can work on more than one thing at once. We're aware of our current security issues and they remain top priority, but as Tidus said, blog posts about "we fixed a security thing" aren't really that neat 😛
rough pulsar
@near sky Not an issue for me because virtual & real floor align almost perfectly for me.
median basalt
If your model is proportioned correctly, the real height and VRC floor height will correspond.
sly veldt
@blazing stream the point of the betas is to test 2018.3.2 which is the release that's inbound not a different thing
median basalt
Try out Y bot, he has perfect proportions.
manic salmon
@median basalt yes, and when they eventually end up getting banned, they won't be able to come back and execute those same crashes in five minutes like they can now. I don't know what you're missing here.
median basalt
@manic salmon that's a pretty big if
If the guy moves over to network-based crashes, he does not even need any privileges or avatars at all
manic salmon
The vast majority of people crashing other users are on fresh accounts
winged igloo
^
tacit plank
I like the current system, the exploits will just need to be fixed for it to be 100% efficient
mighty galleon
nice pfp eret
median basalt
The most problematic people tend to be part of the exploity crash groups in my experience
hoary ridge
Its not gonna be perfect
blazing stream
I understand this. I just wanted verification. I'm not trying to accuse you guys of not working on this, I just wasn't sure and wanted some clarification. I'm glad to know it's being worked on though
winged igloo
Thanks mate
hoary ridge
Just gotta hope they make it the best they can
opaque remnant
i heard someone in the pug earlier today brag that it took them 7 months to finally ban him, and that he had been crashing hundreds of "blue" users and taking down entire discords before he got banned
hoary ridge
Not gonna be pefect*
mighty galleon
i like the rank system
near sky
Thought.
Avatar stealing can be done ripping direct from the server (some new security here though last I heard), but I wonder if allowing, through the trust system, different ranks of users to only see certain effects on MY avatar would reduce how much of it is stolen. Then again, has to cache the full avatar anyway. Would have to redownload each iteration/simplification of the model onward.
summer dew
tacit plank
I could probably make a document and write down all the exploits that I find out exist
manic salmon
It won't stop anything like that, @near sky
tacit plank
Staff say things like "we're aware of the exploits" but I kind of doubt it
median basalt
Pretty sure the whole avatar is downloaded as an asset bundle
manic salmon
Yes
sleek pecan
What too shader still works without shaders being allowed in the trust level? Cubeds?
median basalt
@tacit plank they're aware but might not fix it even if sent the fix
Like happened before
sleek pecan
*toon
tacit plank
I reported avatar stealing (not using the cache) back around january
steep pagoda
@sleek pecan
Cubed XStoon And NoeNoe
burnt locust
when the rank update will happen ?
near sky
@rough pulsar So they match? I'm currently on Oculus. Going to switch out, but that's my platform. Didn't think floor issue was platform specific though. - Because of the avatar you're using?
pure basin
Soon™
manic salmon
Avatar stealing isn't an easily solved problem, and frankly it's unlikely to ever be completely prevented.
sleek pecan
Oh okay, I use now noe noe so I should be fine?
tacit plank
I don't know if I should assume the staff are dumb and find the exploiting code and send it to them, or if I should assume that they're smart and know about the exploits, but the fixing seems kind of slow
manic salmon
Giant AAA games can't stop people from stealing their assets.
odd blaze
cubed's noenoe's and xiexies shaders are whitelisted ,right ?
median basalt
Just one more step in limiting avatar makers
sleek pecan
Ok cool, is there a list of whitelisted shaders?
median basalt
Nope
sleek pecan
Exactly
rigid crescent
Posted at 4:20
sweet meadow
I rather have my avatar stolen, than my avatar or it's features blocked
rigid crescent
yall know whats up
grave dagger
Has the whitelist been confirmed by devs or is it a rumor
sleek pecan
Imo all this does is just limit us
floral aspen
the whitelist is confirmed, we just don't know what's on it
tacit plank
Atm, you need to meet people to steal their avatars I think, so that's an improvement
sleek pecan
Bye bye cool custom shaders
manic salmon
It has to be loaded by your client at some point, so it will always be possible to take it in some fashion or another. You can make it harder, but you can't completely prevent it.
sleek pecan
Blocking was far too hard
mighty galleon
i dont much care for shaders
steep pagoda
there is not a whitelist of all shaders
the whitelist is just a few toon shaders that will work after someone blockes shaders becasue they have been deemed safe
median basalt
@sleek pecan inb4 people coming in "well my avatars are all cubed's shader MMD model ports, the system is fiiine! Custom shaders = crash!"
mighty galleon
especially all the shaders people use to be an annoyance
rough pulsar
@near sky Avatar proportion is what causes floor mis/alignment. My avatar has my proportions (or close enough) so the floor is correct for me.
tacit plank
Of course you'd feel limited when you're called "the meme guy" I bet you have an animation which is a waterfall of emojis
rigid crescent
The whitelist as in the shader whitelist? Noenoe/Cubed/probably Xiexe
median basalt
@tacit plank let's not resort to ad hominems yet again
umbral oracle
You can allow all by turning safety off. I will continue to sport custom shaders for those who want to see them and I hope other people do too
lucid crest
One message removed from a suspended account.
sleek pecan
Suuuurreeeee I do
rigid crescent
I'm so glad they left Trusted as Purple
median basalt
Posting low quality content has never helped your trust rank any
grave dagger
great color
median basalt
People just jumped onto any rumor
sweet meadow
Like i said, if they implement the trust system 1:1 from the beta, many ppl will quit avatar making / vrchat as it doesnt make sense anymore
sleek pecan
Bruh I just want to have my black hole and spinning panospheres
median basalt
Panospheres are apparently still possible
rigid crescent
LOL quit avatar making
umbral oracle
Question about hiding rank: if everyone shows as user by default, will those people get access to trusted features or they will have particles and shaders off by default too
winged igloo
I'm glad Veteran is gone
rigid crescent
good riddance to attention whores
median basalt
@umbral oracle nope, it's all off by default
tidal aspen
people still gonna post low effort worlds regardless
sweet meadow
Ye
mighty galleon
meme guy those are just annoying shaders lol
median basalt
"You want your avatar seen by others? Hahaha what an attention whore lmaooo"
tacit plank
Why? It's supposed to reward avatar/world creation
lucid crest
One message removed from a suspended account.
rigid crescent
What? I can see it just fine.