Now we have emotes of all admins
#vrchat-general-2
modern sand
That's pretty good
umbral reef
👀
modern sand
If only we weren't restricted to 38x38
vocal shard
Better than twitch, there you gotta make sure it's 24x24 and recognizeable
True suffering
modern sand
Larger emojis is in the top 10 of community requests, has been for at least two years i think
inner cape
I bet in both communities
lilac swan
Discord chat threads when
lilac swan
That was hands down the best thing ever with slack
vocal shard
Still waiting for audit log on phone
vocal shard
Cya later
Ugh plz no birthday stuff on discord
Or this will end up like Facebook
Cake days?
🤔
indigo fern
Cake day is everyday if you have money
vocal shard
Playing universe simulator with your stomach is a bad idea
Cake day everyday sounds horrible 
Diabetes and such.
frank comet
^_^
umbral reef
Healthy cakes? @vocal shard
vocal shard
It ain't a real cake unless you feel like throwing up because of the sweetness from the first bite.
umbral reef
Wa
vocal shard
sneaky edit lul
blissful sandal
why is that weird
umbral reef
Why would you want to ruin your sleep by having a dumbass thing on your head while also running the risk or harming yourself or the VR but also waking worse then normal and having your eyes be dry for a while
There are legit no fucking positive things about sleeping in VR
Because dumb bragging rights
blissful sandal
"ruin your sleep"
umbral reef
But that isnt even something to brag about because its dumb
median basalt
You're putting a device on your head (and potentially body) that costs anywhere between $300-$1200. You are then going to lie down in bed, and go into a state known for lots of sweating and involuntary movement. It sounds like an easy way to ruin your headset. On top of that, it also feels like an unhealthy form of escapism.
blissful sandal
I can't sleep without the lights on anyways
- i don't have a bed at the moment. threw it out yesterday, getting a new bed in a day or two
median basalt
I see absolutely zero benefit to sleeping in VR
blissful sandal
I have a gaming chair with a bed mode, it also restricts a good amount of my movement
umbral reef
So having lights being full on blasted onto your eyes is also normal then?
And howly fuck that is unhealthy...
blissful sandal
sleeping in my chair
umbral reef
Bruh, your back 
median basalt
No it's okay Oclac, the headset goes into sleep mode and the screen turns off. It only means you'll be incredibly dizzy and disoriented when you wake up.
It's fiiiine
median basalt
That's even worse lol
umbral reef
They legit had to make something to prevent them from burning down because of sleep people?
Doesnt amaze me
median basalt
You're adding ~8 hours of wear and tear to a headset that you literally cannot physically use
Because you're asleep during that time
umbral reef
And your eyes wont enjoy the trying to get to sleep or waking up~
Not like those are important
blissful sandal
I want to feel what its like to wake up in an alternate world tho
median basalt
You'll be sorely disappointed
umbral reef
Make a photo and paste it onto ya face
blissful sandal
i need to buy googly eyes for my vive
ebon shard
sleeping in vr is maximum dumb
wasted power, wearing down both the vive and your pc, you'll have a big ass vive mark on your face, body clock would mess up, etc etc
elfin forge
so is the game fuckin up only for me
ebon shard
whats wrong
blissful sandal
i have no body clock
tbh
its all sorts of fucked
but i mean
i sleep with lights on anyways
elfin forge
it gets stuck while loading a world and it even changed my avatar into an older version on it
that had a completly different outfit
umbral reef
Dude trust me, the second you fix your sleep life (mental health, emotions, physical energy and ect) also improves
ebon shard
probably just you
elfin forge
i mean my avatar becoming something completly different doesn't really seem like something that would be on my end
median basalt
@elfin forge servers have issues right now
ebon shard
i mean you can try reuploading the character
median basalt
Go to C:/Users/username/AppData/LocalLow and delete the VRChat folder. Also go to %TEMP%/VRChat and delete
Ah, okay
@balmy roost there's a small if #PLAYMAKER block in the SDK somewhere, but it has a missing reference there
You can manually take out that block
Otherwise, make sure you remove all Playmaker folders. Playmaker creates like three.
Also check the Plugins folder for example.
Then restart Unity
I only had that one trigger editor error out on me
Have you tried not deleting those files?
Every SDK has that, not just if you have playmaker imported
You need to go into the trigger editor file and take out the if playmaker block there, I don't think you need to do anything else.
The SDK probably has hard dependencies on those playmaker helper files, and those playmaker helper files only have a soft dependency on Playmaker
elfin forge
umm hello
i've updated steam 3 times today
and after a while it gives me the bug where i can't see players
fervent halo
I changed my Email for my VRChat Account because I didn't want to delete it, but somehow that account has now the old and the new Emailadress and I can't use the old one for a new VRChat Account... Why?
raven silo
@fervent halo support@vrchat.com
might have email them
they wont tell you in here lol
fervent halo
Yeah... I know...
candid kiln
thx
versed gust
jesus
elfin forge
yeah
hasty wedge
happened to me 3 times 
elfin forge
lemme guess what the mods will say to me
versed gust
I met someone who had a finger death beam that crashes people
hasty wedge
it wont break ur headset tho
elfin forge
"send us the log"
versed gust
oof
quiet prawn
Well Zuku.... If you don't provide the information, how else do you expect them to do anything about it?
floral aspen
Zuku it is impossible to damage hardware via crashing
elfin forge
well too bad
versed gust
When they crash people, dont they usually just show some sort of image that overloads the gpu
elfin forge
because that's what happend to me
i've restarted my pc now i'm setting everything up again
quiet prawn
Damage hardware, unlikely. Corrupt a file... much more likely.
elfin forge
it seems to be fine luckly
floral aspen
you're game crashed, thats it. Your HMD is fine. Send them the logs and restart your computer
elfin forge
my computer crashed almost fam
and i only have discord , vrchat, oculus and steam vr open
anyway i've already sent the log as it happend
meager rose
It always seems like crashers target me. Is it because I'm neither an anime or dank meme?
vocal shard
vocal shard
gimme those emotes.
i have a question abojut visemes
can i use the bones instead of the mesh
like my model can do it with its bones
as its face has a ton of bones on the mouth to make facial movements
so can i use that for the visemes
vocal shard
so
versed gust
os
vocal shard
we demand better features/fixing bugs/etc.
VRChat spoils streamers instead
this one guy suggests giving VRChat paid features, which everyone refused
VRChat does this
versed gust
paid features. wut
versed gust
i dont even understand what could be added as a paid feature
vocal shard
hell to the motherfucking no
sullen escarp
$1 per polygon
vocal shard
nothing should be paid for. this is not some triple a ubisoft uplay shit
no
it was free from the beginning and it should stay that way
pay 9.99$ monthly to have more than one material on mesh
hasty wedge
this game already has DLC tho
sullen escarp
how does vrchat make money anyway? i assume they've gotta be data mining something
hasty wedge
they git big boi $$$$ from vive
vocal shard
pateron
hasty wedge
got*
vocal shard
support
they are making money off all the vr sets being bought for vrc
investments
which are sold by their sponsors
hasty wedge
$4 0 0 0 0 0 0
vocal shard
youtube money?
hasty wedge
vocal shard
that too
umbral reef
Its just a modern tech company giant that runs on dreams and prayers instead of money
sullen escarp
lol
umbral reef
And that shit aint even a joke 😂
vocal shard
that doesn't exist oclac
umbral reef
You know most modern tech companies that are taking over the internet make insane losses of money?
vocal shard
someone is paying the vrchat team they keep it free for us so we can't complain
umbral reef
Amazon is losing money, spotify is, youtube it
vocal shard
EA isnt
umbral reef
EA isnt a tech giant, its a game company
vocal shard
we talking game devs too
so why you bring up amazon?
it's totally unrelated and a paid service too
umbral reef
Because im talking about the way they obtain money and keep afloat
umbral reef
Tl;dr
Investments, partnerships, dont care about losing money you can gain it later once things are better
versed gust
it's all a ploy to make more weebs and convert them for the next war of the interwebs
umbral reef
And i can list plenty of small products that just sell there products at a loss (Looking at ya facebook) to just get marketshare and ect
vocal shard
I have released the largest update so far to my world, now it is probably the largest and most detailed map on VR Chat, map is so large I had to build a hub to allow players to transport across it with ease.
World Name: Light & Darkness
hasty wedge
vrc secretly sells the footage that the sensors use
sullen escarp
yikes
hasty wedge
so someone out there dan stalk ppl
vocal shard
dm me if you know how to do lip syncs with jaw bone flaps
NSA is their biggest funder
sullen escarp
on a related note, i heard that they record conversations and that's why you hear it repeat when the game lags
hasty wedge
wat
umbral reef
That isnt how VOIP works man
vocal shard
i hear repeat in droves when game crashes or lags
but it's always 1 minute before
1 minute accurately, I play desktop in 600×800
umbral reef
If they record it that would still not explain the looping :')
Its the program getting the data and not knowing what to do once it obtains nothing new- then just repeating its old recalled stuff (Its a guess, i didnt make the game so who knows)
umbral reef
Id guess it does as less gets rendered
sullen escarp
the recording bit is just a rumor i heard, the looping is probably just a buffer not being filled or something ¯_(ツ)_/¯
vocal shard
my i3 loses its shit with vrchat
versed gust
i've only crashed via fingerbeams so far. so i haven't heard the repeating audio yet
vocal shard
100% cpu and nothing runs but explorer and system processes
umbral reef
To be fair- if you know its a rumor and its within the VRC community
You can bet your avatar on it that its fake
vocal shard
I'm considering killing the explorer process when I start vrc will that make it run better
sullen escarp
doubt it
vocal shard
i killed it before its super easy to restart
sullen escarp
most of the bottleneck apparently comes from draw calls and unity 5's single threaded garbage
sullen escarp
how would faster internet make your cpu run faster?
warped urchin
vrchat runs slow because of the unity version that's all
sullen escarp
i guess it would run a bit faster when worlds load just cause the avatars load faster, but that's about it
umbral reef
Torrent all of them :^) (dont, im not promoting bad things)
sullen escarp
you wouldn't download a car
umbral reef
idonotwantavirusibutiwanttodownloadminecraft.com and we should move to an off topic channel 
sullen escarp
so one channel below?
vocal shard
but why doesnt vrchat update to the most recent unity version
is there removed features it depends on
and they have to reprogram
umbral reef
Not really sure but yea, they would have to reprogram a fair bit of things- Even if it was to use more cores
But some of the things VRC uses cant be upgraded so far i heard
So they would have to replace or remake them
dusky moss
I think that's horrible >_>
vocal shard
so updating would just make it run slower or turn it into bareboneschat
also the most recent unity versions have a lot more stuff
umbral reef
Not really rin
umbral reef
It would just set the game back with a return for performance
dusky moss
eliminating hard dependencies in software is one of the first thing you learn in school.. part of proper design
vocal shard
why don't people just learn the newer unity
umbral reef
But who knows, they can be prepping things in the background for a more smooth things so planning for the future and things
dusky moss
What do you mean.. 'newer' unity?
vocal shard
and push it over there
umbral reef
@dusky moss Cant always work around things though
dusky moss
unity hasn't changed so much
dusky moss
@umbral reef if you really think that's true, you should get a better development team. There are always abstractions possible to work around case specific problems
umbral reef
If i thing isnt made for a newer version and its the only way to do X you can use X or not at all
You can make your own version in a perfect world
dusky moss
My point is there shouldn't be ANY piece of software catered to a very specific version.. that's asking for maintenance hell
no sane architect will do that unless its embedded
dusky moss
The only reason why you'd cut corners like that is when management is promising things without knowing what's up during development
umbral reef
@dusky moss My ex community was partners with an company that enjoyed rushing out new things more then making sure things where stable--
You can take a guess what became impossible
dusky moss
that's even worse than maintenance hell
umbral reef
Unless you know you can redo a system right after but proper you should make it proper the first time and then make it so its open so you can improve it
dusky moss
well that's what interfaces are for..
umbral reef
The server costs and maintenance costs because 70% of all the costs as the community scaled big time 😂
Why not let everyone redownload all content every time they join the website or swap communities within the website
dusky moss
you know if its 70% you're close to miaintenace hell
umbral reef
Ow they got into pure maintenance hell, had to restart all over and sold off a big part of there company
then it just kinda happened again but diffrent
And they went down
The reboot aint going really better as the imago is plain ruined 
Its why my community went away from the website/company.
Focus on discord now and ect before i quit
dusky moss
yea obviously.. once your bugs grow to become unstable elements then implementing new features is close to impossible
and its especially bad if you don't have standardized testing
like unit testing or a specialised application/client that has the tests embedded in it
because then you don't even know where its coming from
umbral reef
Well having a bad base is often the killer from most tech startups
dusky moss
but that's really a result of having underqualified staff
I get it though, as a startup you don't have the budget
but really.. most of these things can be found on internet with a good thorough search
umbral reef
Not being able to scale the product well
Not being able to maintain userbase/grow it
Not having a good prodcut are the other ones
dusky moss
especially since design principles book is available online, albeit illegally
umbral reef
If you have such a low budget start up you need to pick your things right
dusky moss
Well its an easy pick always.. you pick what makes the most stable income
if you don't have a community, you pick quick designs and half-assed coding, and resolve it later which is possible if you have properly defined interfaces
and you focus on community/awareness
the moment the community grows, you switch out all isolated components (obviously isolated due to interfaces), and start testing those for performance flaws
umbral reef
Gotta be fast enough with swapping things and listening to your community
Not all games can pull a Rainbow 6 or The division
dusky moss
if you're foolish enough to quickly wrap things without thorough testing (so making standardized testing)
you're gonna fall into maintenance hell at one point
umbral reef
Start off bad, improve and become still respected games
dusky moss
its simple math
but I don't get that though. you don't have to start off bad at all
That only happens if you start a company based solely on an idea
but ideas themselves don't sell
that only rarely happens, in extremely unique cases
but that's usually revolving around theoretical papers, really
and even then you're probably sponsored by an accelerator or incubator
which means you do have resources to focus on proper initial deployment of design
umbral reef
Well im gonna learn an shit ton about tech start ups and ect 'soon'
Gonna be having my internship for half a school year at a company that helps people improve there products, tests there products and helps them promote it and ect
dusky moss
oh great! Glad to have you!
I am a bit rusty on the estimates in my little european country, but I believe about 70% of all startups fail within 5 years time
I don't believe other countries have an considerably better climate for startups, so that would be higher for other countries
having people who support the startups is very much delightful
umbral reef
Europe is a battlefield for startups within the tech world
We got like 3K of worthless tech because the companies backing them went under
dusky moss
BTW, are we allowed to talk about these topics in this chat?
dusky moss
alrightt ^^
inner cape
vocal shard
whats the topic of this channel
ivory folio
virtual reality chatroom general
vocal shard
hows that a topic
umbral reef
Tl;dr If its about VRchat talk about it in here else dont
vocal shard
also complains about updates, poly limit, no material limit, optimization, waiting time to upload, unfair ban and Tupper not using his anime model for the Dev Updates.
south viper
Bring back real Tupper
inner cape
gaunt estuary
saw a tupper on vrchat or maybe i was drunk was too busy playing hangman in a stream room
inner cape
Cool
granite coral
nice eula, would be a shame if there was nothing about the GDPR
umbral reef
Dont ya mean GDPR?
granite coral
how can i always screw up the name? .-.
thorn compass
I haven't talked to Tupper in a bit. Hmmm.
vocal shard
iq
rocky swallow
How does the new live stream video sync handle twitch viewers? does it add to the count of people watching or not? if it does what does the user show us in the viewer list?
polar jasper
It adds to the counter based on what "unique" code is active
prisma timber
I'm running into an issue where model is becoming broken upon upload.
Model will appear normal until use.
still hatch
So I am trying to connect my XBOX One Kinect to my PC so do I buy a adaptor for it?
raven silo
@still hatch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rWWT24TNE
the price went up to $124 https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-9J7-00001-Kinect-Adapter-Windows/dp/B00NMSHT7E
turbid agate
Know what would be fun but probally break alot of maps and characters, collision boxes actually corresponding to the avatars size when it comes to walking through doors and holes etc.
Just imagine a adventure maps where you switch into tiny avatars to sneak through holes or cracks
lol
blazing nexus
i
I updated the amd dr
and still says update ur driver everytime I get into vrchat
turbid agate
restarted PC?
mint hearth
todays my birthday
and nobody cares
blazing nexus
i didnt know
and I dont know you
and I dont know me
And I dont know life
strange huh?
ionic hare
can anyone send me a Fortnite Thanos files ?
so i can make Fortnite thanos avatar if I can customize the avatr
night tide
Not sure if this is the place to post this but I'm having Mic issues, My Mic works, but all people here is LOUD background noise, can anyone help?
Also, Hi, I'm new here if you couldn't tell already.
modern bear
Is there a way to speed up the amount of time it takes to be able to publish avatars? I just got into it and I want a custom avatar. I spend time making one and find out I can't actually publish and use it just yet.
vocal shard
The devs won't give us details. But the general idea is that playing vrchat actively (maybe making friends), and not sitting idle is the fastest way.
night tide
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BMoAAOSwgqlalOzp/s-l500.jpg So this is the Mic I'm using for desktop VR chat.
vocal shard
So anyone know of any horror models?
halcyon ingot
you can get slendytubbies from steam
night tide
GOD this Mic problem is frustrating.
still hatch
Restart?
scenic bluff
topaz lynx
question. should i get oculus rift + touch for VRChat either after i get camtasia? or after i get the iPiSoft 1-year basic license upgrade?
guess i really wanna play this in VR instead of my keyboard
thorny totem
If you want to play in VR you need a device to do so, Vive / Oculus / Pimax or other AR headsets. Instead of camtasia, just use OBS it's free. Ipisoft? why would you need it?, full body tracking? if so the vive have a solution for that using extra tracker devices, You can also do it with an Oculus Rift but with a Kinect instead (v1 or v2) and some thridparty drivers.
topaz lynx
i use iPiSoft for motion capture for my SFM animations
thorny totem
yes but it's dedicated for Mocap
you could stream the datas at some point sure, but i'm not sure there is some solution working out of the box out there yet
the question is do you need full body tracking?
the IK work pretty well
vocal shard
Motion capture devices i expect to be supported in steamvr soon
as oculus 2.0 is using webcams with phone CPUs to run a machine learned FBT solution
most likely with 2-3 of them for 360
it tracks every point of tyhe body
and since its machine learned occlusion doesnt matter at all
theirs demos of similiar software online
and since the rift cameras are also camera they couldve easily been pulling data for the AI learning from there
for a very thorough learned ai
topaz lynx
so is oculus good for VRChat?
thorny totem
yes pretty good
topaz lynx
alright. i'll try to save up for oculus rift after i get the camtasia video editor later
thorny totem
i don't get why you're stuck with the camtasia stuff ?
topaz lynx
i'm just gonna use it to edit my videos
thorny totem
hmmm ok, there is more efficient solution out there, for editing i mean
for capturing use OBS
even the native windows movie maker do better than camtasia :P
topaz lynx
well i'm planning to move away from WLMM to edit my videos better (like adding visuals. adding more layers of SFX, text & videos, and pretty much other stuff)
thorny totem
ok then
uncut trail
can we have an offical lagfree world pls
thorny totem
you could try to make one i suppose ;)
uncut trail
idk how 😦
thorny totem
oh well, keep in mind that most creators try their best to prevent the lags the best they can @uncut trail Always easy to complain about something when you don't know the llimits or constraints :)
fading owl
Most lags are caused by unoptimized models anyways 😄
thorny totem
true
worldly wren
will be ther a predab that alows you to lay on bed ?
fading owl
So youll lay on bed with your arms about to perform a dab?
ruby needle
thorny totem
umbral reef
Pious it will not effect us at all really and they are forced to change it to comply with things like the GDPR
Even if they are shit and would do things like sell data (What data... they got jack shit n us) your info is also being sold on every other platform you use so
thorny totem
Until the point they forces you to login with your real ID, you never know what the futur reserve. Data is a sensitive subject today when you know what a trained AI could squizz out of nothing (cross referencing, pxl tracking etc)
umbral reef
What do you think cookies and ect do?
thorny totem
what do you mean?
oh i got it, i'm not the one thinking "if someone else do it already it's okay"
umbral reef
If google and facebook both have addons for website (one pixel wide things if we are talking about facebook) That can track you on all websites they are on and same for google being able to stalk you on any website they provide adds...
You think they do not implement cookies to also track you and advertise better?
thorny totem
i answered ;)
umbral reef
ow i was still typing and didnt read the reply yet xD
Only read the first comment
And im also not
Im more saying you can not prevent it from happening so what would be the difference?
Even if they start doing it you would be able to request the data so we atleast know it
thorny totem
Well requesting the data is another thing in their book...a gimick, they'll give you the data (most of them at least) but it's raw datas, not a processed one. Processed data is what have values today.
umbral reef
(And the not preventing, i do use the right addblocks, anti tracker programs, plan to get myself a VPN router soon so i know you can do a lot but you pay with other things on websites and not all games will function properly then)
@thorny totem Then you go towards the GRPD in a year or two and watch them get fines
thorny totem
what's the point of using "antitracker" even VPN, when they have your browser 'fingerprint', that alone make everything you use useless
umbral reef
Then you start running programs like Ublock origin
One of the non sheit addblockers that also blocks most trackers
FAcebook and google get more information from my super limited phone usage then from my laptop and pc
thorny totem
it's useless trust me on that ;)
umbral reef
So your also saying its useless 👀 ?
umbral reef
And to be fair, if i can just give them a small stream of information instead of a river id rather do that
thorny totem
yes sure the less the better, but the size of flaw you leak out have doesn't matter much today
as said they can squizz tremendous amount almost out of nothing
they have some models trained enough with the past datas to be dead accurate
umbral reef
But it still does not effect me
I use addblockers on everything so eh- add tracking aint a propel
User learning? Well beside the fact i dont have any social media that is linked to me or anything else (no facebook, my twitter is linked to my gaming accs nothing personal and ect)
Its kinda just eh
thorny totem
you don't need a facebook to be tracked by facebook ;)
umbral reef
I know
But adding all the known facebook trackers to blockers is a step in the right way
thorny totem
but yeah big subject =)
umbral reef
And i do have an account just for that reason--
They link that info to the alt account and i can still go the annoying route to remove it
Those dope one pixel trackers 👌
vocal shard
facebook can and is creating "shadow profile"
thorny totem
yes
umbral reef
But we should move to #general-media
fading owl
Well. i just got a bit scared when i saw that google literally recorded my whole location history every single day for the past 6 years
vocal shard
even if you didnt make an acccount, they have one for you
rigid crescent
how do i find out why a mod kicked me?
umbral reef
A mod, the room owner or the group?
vocal shard
by asking him
umbral reef
Got there name?
rigid crescent
something juice i think? i barely saw them and never spoke to them
couldnt say for sure but i did get a kick
thorny totem
Kicked not ban, just a warning about something you did, ask yourself what you possibly have done, i'm sure you'll found something (obnoxious, spammy etc?)
rigid crescent
nope, watching a stream in a friends of guest.
umbral reef
If you have a friend in the room you could ask them
Else you could maybe (unsure about it and id guess it does not work) email support@vrchat.com or moderation@vrchat.com about why you got kicked. Has to include the outputlog and the local pc time of the kick then.
they might be able to ask as to why for you
thorny totem
yea right
rigid crescent
lol i mean no moderation team is perfect, there's plenty of "nerds with a power trip" but I'm thinking it might've been a mistake since someone mentioned kicking a guy using annoying shaders.
I'll look into emailing them the logs though.
umbral reef
Well imo it is never bad to 1. Bring wrongfull mod actions to light and 2. Learn as to why you got punished (Might be valid for them but not for you)
rigid crescent
Yeah, I wasn't really upset, just kinda curious why. Another guy in the room ended up with a 1 day ban, but they apparently interacted so I can't really vouch for anything he did. Others there said it the interaction didn't seem bad and he wasn't banned until after the guy left, but he'll probably toss in a report too just to be sure.
thorny totem
vote kick is a thing too and you never know why, just move on ;)
rigid crescent
Nah, it wasn't a vote kick, it said a mod did it. It's not a place I would've ever been votekicked from since it was entirely close friends.
Save for maybe 2 or 3 of them.
thorny totem
the constant thing being kicked and banned users are Always innocent anyway :)
rigid crescent
Eh, like I said ,no moderation team is perfect. If you think that, then I guess I've got a bridge to sell you lol
thorny totem
I'm ok thanks ;)
rigid crescent
But I get what you mean, of course everyone says they didn't do anything. Problem is putting 100% trust in the people who say they did lol
I just wanted to figure out a way to maybe figure what happened, and I have, so thank you.
thorny totem
great ;)
thorny totem
i bet a cookie : someone will ask in the next hour "How long should i wait before being able to upload"
vocal shard
most lag(fps drops) are caused by the IK calculations over network, voice calcs over network and worlds having unbaked lights with no occlusion culling
these are primary causes of frame drop
kane whats your vrchat name btw? asking for a friend to pre emptively block you
rough pulsar
Having a load of bones affected by dynamic bone & DB colliders will also contribute significantly.
umbral reef
Hmm awesome ISP
Really love to not have internet for like 20 minutes without reason
vocal shard
@vocal shard y block him tho ?
oh yeah forgot the 200 dynamic bone chains
especially with colliders
those dont help the already small cpu "allowance"
thorny totem
@umbral reef 20mins is ok, i remember a day when they were digging a trench nearby and cut all fibers in the neighborhood :, 1 entire week to fix everything up
umbral reef
Well had a time where my internet would drop out for 5 minutes like 20 times a day
thorny totem
If you're using some wifi could be a sign of someone playing some deauth
or meh a bad ISP :)
umbral reef
All wired 
Was the ISP fault
We called them, complained, got a new modern box. It was fixed for a while. Happened again, complained and said we would move if they cant fix it. Magically the same night the problem went away and stayed away
But everyone in our local area had the problem at times
thorny totem
yea could be a pain sometime to deal with them. Also show how much of an Addict we are when it comes to the InternetZ :P
shy nest
my net used to drop me each hour after a while I figured out that the router had set something to refresh each hour rather than every 24 hours
thorny totem
User errors is a part of it too, yes
vocal shard
the only issue with wifi is over saturated wireless frequency bands
tbqh
even 5ghz gets alot of fighting nowadays
shy nest
using wifi 😂
vocal shard
we need more frequencies open for the future of wireless tech
blaming wifi for bad internet
being a networklet
:cryingmemeemojiinsteadofanrgument:
shy nest
lmao what
shy nest
what the fuck are you on about? I made a joke about people that use wifi
the fuck are you getting at
shy nest
I never said it was bad
thorny totem
but at least when it works, it works :) . I remember that time when displaying a simple 120k jpg took literally 1 minute @shy nest
vocal shard
calm your horse daisy jailbird
indigo fern
Did someone say cowboy? Howdy
vocal shard
howdybpardner
shy nest
ironic coming from the person that blew a joke out of proportion
vocal shard
hey man you need some sea salt ice cream from my kingdom hearts?
shy nest
oof, not even sure how you got beta tester when you're this stupid
vocal shard
did you know red is sunset because travels furthest- t. axel
indigo fern
Kingdom Hearts? Will the sea salt get delayed then c:
vocal shard
yes
umbral reef
Howly fuck never knew someone can be an asshole without any reason
indigo fern
Also, if you guys are gonna get off topic, take it to #general-media
umbral reef
Also ruby you can just lower the wifi range-- Dont make all wifi points send wifi away 100M and things will improve
Also plenty of modern day tech use other wavelengths like Zigbee
vocal shard
you are now wary that wifi drops due to interference with the oversaturated 2.4ghz and 5ghz bands and are now aware of the fact that wireless tech has higher potential throughput than even fiberoptics
you are no aware 5ghz is less saturated and consistent as fuck due to this
!
vocal shard
you are further aware wireless is solid enough to even have below the latency threshold to wirelessly use your vive
its almost as if wireless tech works
amazingly well
damn even my controllers are wireless
howd that happen
the wifi is bad meme is bad
karmic bear
@shy nest you have a p solid track record of weighing in on shit you know little to nothing about. Stop that.
thorny totem
aw it's getting hot in here. Let's try to channel this :). How would you fix or improve the game performances (as a package strategy) ?@karmic bear
vocal shard
newest version of unity
rewrite ik to be less bloated and on the newest unity versions job system
rewrite voice
theres fallout with that though
like losing currently uploaded content
and some other compatibility issues
shy nest
@karmic bear what? also dont ping me
vocal shard
@shy nest
thorny totem
@topaz lynx https://vrcat.club ?
topaz lynx
oh
thorny totem
community driven though but good enough
ionic hare
inner cape
gray kiln
Anyone else having the Red avatar issues? I cannot load any of my models :/
umbral reef
Tried the things within #vrchat-support yet?
gray kiln
I'm out of ideas...
I tried:
-Reuploading
-Deleting cache
-Reuploading with new blueprint
-Reuploading with a new scene
-Reuploading with an older SDK (April SDK)
-Reuploading with Future Proofing on
-Reuploading with mesh rendered turned off (animation turns it on)
-Doing all above steps on another computer
umbral reef
Hmm thats a fair bit
But does only your model show red or all new models?
fading owl
first thing i do -> blame it on the servers
gray kiln
All 40+ :/
umbral reef
Last things i can think of doing is swapping your IPv6 to a more stable thing (Cloudfare or google)
gray kiln
Never had this problem before until after the latest update so I’m going to assume at this point it’s server-side just like the mesh FPS drop bug
umbral reef
Well if nothing loads right its often server side but swapping the DNS at times fixes things
ivory folio
Have you made a particle limiter config file? @gray kiln
I had the red avatar issue and deleting my particle limiter config file fixed it. I made sure by putting the file back, and the red avatar issue came back too
floral aspen
Have you reported that bug yet Moons? If you can reproduce that the devs would like to know it
ivory folio
No I haven't. I just copied the file from someone in #particle-limiter-share-settings so I don't know if everythings correct in it
gray kiln
I’ll try that when I’m at home 👍
ivory folio
If you haven't manually created the file it won't be there
vocal shard
how does particle limiter settings interfere with avatars?
hmmmaybe it was set to 0
try atleast value of 1 if thats the case
e0 might nullify something on the avatar
ivory folio
No idea. Heres what my file looks like https://i.imgur.com/4Qc2FaK.png
I haven't actually looked at what everything does so theres probably something wrong there
maybe the 0 in the penalties
trying to divide by 0
vocal shard
try putting the 0s to 1
and seeing if that fixes it
if it does then the issue is the 0 values
if not its mor intricate and hidden
ivory folio
im not at my pc so i'll try that later
vocal shard
post results in bug report
ivory folio
actually I think I remember reading that something is divided by the penalty value
So it probably is trying to divide by 0
If so there needs to be some sort of fallback for incorrect config files
thorny totem
It's at 10 on the default file; here what it does : The penalty for having trails enabled on the particle system, the resulting value divides the max particle allowance for the particle system
0 disable it? not sure
thorny totem
The person who invented google captcha should be handcuffed, put in a box, the box put on a boat, the boat thrown into a hole and the hole nuked...
thorny totem
i know i had to let it out
vocal shard
so it took them this long to notice the go to friend thing is messed up?
languid beacon
Maybe it happened to one of them
vocal shard
like you go to your friend to a world but they aint there
and it says they are in the same world but they are not
languid beacon
that might not be what they're talking about though
vocal shard
then it decides to update and say they are in a different world
languid beacon
There is also the issue of a friend being online but it shows them as off-line
covert chasm
There's general API catch-up time, and then there's the issue we're looking into.
Friends lists aren't real time, but they're close.
languid beacon
You can usually tell because their profile picture looks like the avatar they were a long time ago
covert chasm
If you join on a friend and they aren't there, they probably just left/logged out.
polar jasper
That is a really cool way of doing avatar "pedestals" @north axle
inner cape
low sorrel
@covert chasm How's your day going?
inner cape
vocal shard
and THEN theres that other bullshit, like you know when it acts like there is a lot of people in a world and you go to it, and there is like 1 or 3 people in the world
inner cape
That was a mistake
covert chasm
@low sorrel Dunno, we'll see in a bit. Just woke up and I'm making coffee 😃
polar jasper
@north axle saw you posted about the interact one, but is there more?
low sorrel
@covert chasm thats nice
still lark
umbral reef
The most important question
Is tupper a sugar and milk coffee person or not
north axle
There's so much broken stuff I'm gonna upload the whole thing as it is.
Otherwise, there's nothing to publish at all.
Seems like an SDK issue.
polar jasper
Hehe, well what's there now seems to work fine 😃
north axle
The mental state I'm in right now is utterly disgusting, and I hate that I can't do anything about it, but at least I know that if something in VRC is broken, it probably means the devs are working on something new.
inner cape
Since we're pinging people, @covert chasm what do you think of our emote series? You have the biggest amout so far. 
Give us some ideas, since you know the admin team more personally than us 👀
plucky whale
vocal shard
Of course not
north axle
It's never going to be fully "fixed."
worn lance
I think I'm going to need a Jim Morrison avatar for Karaoke night.
median basalt
Blueprint theft would be super easy for them to fix
Just check ownership on avatar switch, not just on pedestal use
Would stop the non-cache rippers
quiet prawn
Err. Didn't they already do that? Like a few months ago.
median basalt
No, only on pedestals.
Hackers can still send a request to the server saying "I switched to this avatar"
uncut trail
What this about DMCA law in California this true most avatar and avatars worlds going to poof soon kike dbz world
umbral reef
What are you talking about|?
uncut trail
Means copyright law
umbral reef
I know what the law means but what does it have to do with just California?
The whole of the US has laws like that, same goes for all of Europa and legit any other country really
iron heart
doubt it
umbral reef
The most recent EU law is more scarry then any current law within any country for copyright and user content
rough pulsar
Nothing new about the DMCA and california from any news sources google picks stuff up from.
umbral reef
^ The reason why i also asked about what he meant
Most recent law update i can find is about the problem with meta-data and that just includes the therms dmca and nothing alse major towards it
rough pulsar
That's what I found too.
If there's anything new about the DMCA relating to california, @uncut trail You're gonna have to share the details because we can't find shit. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
uncut trail
Check tos when you login on vrc
umbral reef
Also- DMCA and related are reactive systems for copyright holders
Companies do not have to act preactive- And there is always the thing from fairuse, education and ect
uncut trail
8.2 on tos
umbral reef
That is VRC updating there rules- Wont have any effect really unless your really dumb
VRC head? office is within CA so big odds they list the information from there for the copyright related things and section 8.2 is to protect VRC there asses-
Not to start preactive hitting maps and users
If a user keeps uploading bad things and the owners dont want them to
VRC holds now all the rights to remove all the content from that user
rough pulsar
Also I believe the DMCA usually works by the IP owners issuing a DMCA takedown notice
umbral reef
(And account but meh)
@rough pulsar Currently the only way to enforce a DMCA is to send a takedown notice or alike
steep turret
don't let them ban my 🌮
umbral reef
The most recent EU law they plan to make (Have robot scan for illegal things like copyright infrincements) 'will' change it (Its unenforceable, lmao the shit system YT uses gets shown as an example of "A good system")
uncut trail
Worlds like kami and mhca could get hit
umbral reef
@uncut trail Could, the IP owners need to take action then and the worlds will just be taken down, the owner gets a notice so they can fix it and thats is
it*
Same can go for insane amounts of avatars--
But unless the owners can be assed to email/send a letter towards the VRC office they wont do anything
uncut trail
Yeah funimation will want to get the DBZ world taken down
umbral reef
But time for me to head out
I'll be happy to explain more later
uncut trail
nods
umbral reef
Thing is, if they want to they could have done it ages ago
uncut trail
Hmm just worried due to people quitting over this
rough pulsar
Quitting world building/avatar making, or vrchat entirely? Either way, it'd be good to hear what they have to say.
inner cape
Oclac requiting again? 
steep turret
bm? bowel movement?
inner cape
Battle Maids™
steep turret
oof. I have a maid outfit. let's go
steep turret
can I be commitoner of doilies
tacit plank
Unless you make something popular, nobody will care what copyright laws you break
thorny totem
when Vrchat will charge money then they'll slap
cinder flume
oof
thorny totem
free game doesn't mean you can't charge for a service
pine current
where do i report someone
fair yew
I have 200 hours on this baby
halcyon ingot
I'm about to 800, where did it all go?
scarlet oasis
down the drain
quiet prawn
The drain is a nice place
rapid heath
who asked to sink smth? 👀
meager solstice
I’m just under 700
quiet prawn
I'm just over... 1700
cold talon
meager solstice
Dam, sounds like Uve had a lot of fun
tacit plank
1700? Is that without idling?
vale epoch
I don’t even have a hundred yet
tacit plank
I thought my 890 was good 😛 but the Vive runs out of charge fast, so I can't really play that much
floral aspen
I sometimes wonder what my actual playtime is on VRChat. For the first 6 months or so I launched directly from Oculus Home which doesn't record your playtime in Steam
tacit plank
Oh, that sucks
"Oculus home" sounds like a terrible product, by the way. I'm content with my Vive now, guess I should say thanks
floral aspen
Oculus home is leagues better than Steam's implementation thats for sure
tacit plank
Than the Steam client?
ivory folio
close unity, delete sdk folder, reopen unity, reinstall/reimport sdk
old carbon
did
ivory folio
did you remove the old one before importing the new one
old carbon
no
old carbon
didnt work
inner cape
vocal shard
the player SNIPER AMERICANO use copy mod and fly mod
sage pewter
Why are Occulus and Vive sold out, at least on Newegg?
inner cape
@vocal shard fill in a report via #moderation-reports please. Provide proof and as many details.
vocal shard
ok
raven silo
@sage pewter they maybe only have limit of them in there inventor
shy nest
I've been hearing about that lately, heard that the OG vive has been out of stock on a bunch of sites
ebon shard
still on amazon and the actual vive site though
and apparently theres a fuckin computer backpack
dunno how searching for the vive leads to that
think someone needs to tell msi that laptops exist
shy nest
think I saw a video of a guy with one of those sorts of backpacks using one of the wmr headsets outside for "world-scale" play
lusty kettle
the best world in the game got deleted
trap-chan avatar world got deleted and it has a portal to the world help
help was the best world
ebon shard
server issues then
turbid raptor
it was working an hour ago though
graceful vigil
Does anybody want my hacks?
tacit plank
Not too interested in malware
graceful vigil
I'm not supposed be be sharing this, but like VRCHAT deserves to moderated by MODS, not random people, so IDK.
tacit plank
They're a bit understaffed
inner cape
Rofl
graceful vigil
O_O
how do i send message.
inner cape
You good bruh?
meager solstice
@floral aspen Wait that makes no sense, even if u launch from the oculus home menu, it still opens up and runs steam..... @tacit plank in my opinion oculus home is better than steam home.
So it will still indeed keep track of tome
tacit plank
Oh, I agree for once, but that's because my Steam home doesn't work in the least
graceful vigil
idk, lol, I never know what's goi
shy nest
I disabled steam home, easier to just open the menu and pick the game from there
shy nest
I launch oculus home like once every 3-4 weeks to open the gifts
if steam home was more like the oculus home i'd gladly use it
meager solstice
I launch the app everyday before I run steam just because of the fact that, sometimes steam bugs out and doesn’t register my oculus stuff sometimes
versed stratus
going to bed, just had some fun doing lots of deathrun rounds 😄
languid beacon
Does anyone actually know what Cat's Full Body Fix thing does to your spine? Are there downsides to using it? What is it actually doing?
fleet ice
why the hell are some guys so pissed about knuckles? you just spawn in a world and some people will instantly block you... there are some mother fuckers they will crash you with they animation shit but it seems more importent to block nice people with knuckle avatars... you are realy stupid and kind of mainstream idiots.... i mean you can hate the persons behind the avatars but there is no reason to hate knuckles in general
languid beacon
As far as crashing goes, script kiddies like their toys, hopefully the crashers get patched out
Nothing you can really do about it
shy nest
I only block knuckles if they annoy me which is what I do with everyone else
languid beacon
Yeah, it's silly, but people can block for whatever reason they want
ebon shard
its 5 months in the grave
languid beacon
deadmeme.unitypackage
ebon shard
its like going up to someone and saying damn daniel back again with the harambes
shy nest
I blocked a guy once because he was annoying me, in retaliation he crashed everyone else in the lobby
ebon shard
;/
languid beacon
The worst part is I was clearly wearing converse
ebon shard
i've seen c4s that lag the fuck out of everything
shy nest
was shit, I sorta felt bad because it was a full game of never have I ever and it was a decent game at that
ebon shard
i mean not your fault
its just them being dumb
someone was bound to tick them off and then you'd be on the receiving end of the crash too
languid beacon
I'm lucky to have like 7 friends with VR headsets and we can just group in private instances and avoid the crasher people
fleet ice
you guys have a lot of prejudices, who said the meme is dead? ok the mainstream said it's dead because theay wish it would be dead, but it isn't
languid beacon
but it would be nice to go in public and not get crashed
shy nest
the world (uganda) gets a max(being generous here) of 50 people each day
just join the bird meme like everyone else
ebon shard
theres the wiggles stuff now too
ebon shard
thats just a direct knock off of knuckles
ebon shard
instead of "do you know da wae" it's "do you wanna wiggle with us"
shy nest
o
fleet ice
statistics is your answer? seriously? in general all "memes" have a movement, but that is not the reason to tell it would be dead
languid beacon
I mean, I'm not gonna stop you from using a knuckles avatar in VRChat. Have at it
ebon shard
so what about those teachers that use memes from 2012
fleet ice
the main problem is to call it a meme, in generals it's just a avatar
ebon shard
at a certain point it become cringy and not funny anymore
a meme isnt just a picture
its an idea thats widely spready around
languid beacon
You seem really bent out of shape that people are blocking your avatar
ebon shard
saying the knuckles meme is still funny is essentially like someone who laughs at a joke 10 minutes after it was said
it had its time and now its over
languid beacon
Try to mix it up a little.
I have a regular, non-meme version of knuckles. People are cautiously tolerant of it.
It's like PTSD.
ebon shard
if it doesnt add to the meme and add originality its cringy
fleet ice
i dont realy care it is a meme or not but i hate all the people with they bad behaviors against it, like racists....... otherwise a person with a knuckle avatar tries sometime to interact with people..... other people stay the whole time in one world and pose in front of a mirror and talk abaout mainstream shit.... just boring
languid beacon
If people are being racist, block them
ebon shard
looking at loss its from 2008 but its still relevant now cause it's evolved
ebon shard
i mean the knuckles avatar has an aura around it whether you like it or not
using knuckles is just associating yourself with all the cancer back in january
languid beacon
To be fair I view the meme in a pretty positive light because it let me find VRChat
and VRChat's the bomb
fleet ice
it's not like a real rasism, it's more like: oh there is a knuckle = instant block because of prejudices, this is sad
ebon shard
it helped vrchat grow alot
languid beacon
Oh lol
ebon shard
in some wrong ways but it helped
languid beacon
People are allowed to not like your avatar, Suiheusen.
They could block you for no reason, if they wanted to. Just gotta roll with it.
fleet ice
but they give you not a try to be normal.... this is stupid
ebon shard
if you're really attached to it you could customize the knuckles avatar so its not just the generic one
languid beacon
If you like your avatar, keep using it. No one can make you change out of it. Just, don't complain if you get blocked. People can do what they want, just like you can.
ebon shard
i've seen some creative knuckles avatars that people are fine with
fleet ice
i know they can do what they want... but this is a main problem of humans and very sad
languid beacon
I block avatars I don't wanna see all the time. I just don't... announce it.
Just block 'em back!
ebon shard
people judge with their eyes
languid beacon
Well, I mean, it's VR
ebon shard
if they think you're going to be cancer they'll block you
languid beacon
I feel like this guy doesn't legit care he's just doing a bit here
vocal shard
Did you say someone with a model used c4s?
fleet ice
yea, let's block everyone... very smart... instead of having fun together and nobody is offended...
vocal shard
Hmmmmm
ebon shard
🤔
vocal shard
I like my c4s
languid beacon
Oculus - All 4 triggers, plus both B buttons = block everyone in room except friends
👍
ebon shard
theres not enough c4s on the web tho
i only found 3 downloadable ones that are decent
languid beacon
avoids c4 lag
ebon shard
i mean i have a loli with a rocket launcher
doesnt cause lag and still has explosions
its just when people hog all the particles to make things lag deliberately
ebon shard
dont think i have any pics of my avatar in game ;/
gotta find out where the vrchat camera saves pictures though
ebon shard
pretty dark but the smoke and explosion particles look really good
vague hound
If I have a friend in a friends only server, why would the Join button be greyed out?
vocal shard
the host of the instance is not on your friends list
floral aspen
@meager solstice it only runs the steam VR executable, it doesn't actually open steam itself
agile saddle
Hey i got a rift and i dont know how to walk in game instead of teleportint
vocal shard
Enable advanced movement
agile saddle
In system?
tacit plank
Yeah, upper left, the 3P locomotion
shy nest
also, turn off snap turning :^)
quartz lintel
How long do I have to have the SDK open to be able to upload avatars?
vocal shard
about infinite time
quartz lintel
w8 nevermind i'm dumb. It says publish lul
vocal shard
you need to play the game with a vrchat account, not being idle in the unrelated SDK
quartz lintel
I've got 140 hours with the steam acc.
vocal shard
steam account doesnt count
quartz lintel
Just made my actual vrchat acc so I was curious
quartz lintel
appreciate it
uncut trail
rip wirld lag
vocal shard
Where is the logic behind this?... https://i.imgur.com/bWmOb0G.png
I love that game.
Best 2D Fighter
vocal shard
Think i'm a bit grumpy today... https://i.imgur.com/4H2twcb.png
elfin forge
gueeeesss who got crashed agaaaaaaaaiiiiin~~~~
sent the log already so don't spam me about that
altho as you may know banning them isn't really an issue since they can just use a new account
in some time i bet they'll make something to ban ppl
so then hackers will also be able to ban you
vale epoch
That’s a lot harder than crashing someone. If they had access to bans, it would probably mean they have access to way worse than that
elfin forge
reminder for you
they can't be blocked
they can join on you wherever
they can literally download everysingle one for your characters with a click
and they can change your viewpoint
vale epoch
Yeah, that’s still not as difficult as banning someone
umbral reef
Client side, client side, client side and again, clientside
Banning people is server side
vale epoch
Exactly
umbral reef
Also with the recent trust system crashers take a lot longer to return within the game
elfin forge
hmmmi wonder why some of the ppl i know that got banned are still in game with new account
elfin forge
well damn one day was very long
calm stag
Oh yea, hi btw
elfin forge
i don't either when i go in privates
but that's not what vrchat is for now is it?
pretty sure it's about going public
calm stag
Yea, but it just depends on the world really
umbral reef
Did i say making a new account is imposible?
calm stag
Some are fine, some get targeted
elfin forge
yeah basically the one with the higher amount of ppl
where you would normally go to make new friends
calm stag
Yea, but I mean I also meet people on the discord, and even the subreddit
elfin forge
listen i know where you guys are coming from but im sick and tired of getting crashed
it's literally my 4th time in 2 days
vale epoch
I’m not saying it’s not annoying. You just said they were going to have access to banning
And I can tell you that it’s very unlikely
long venture
toxic vapor
Not sure why but my world won't update. Every time I make a new build, it reverts back to the old build when I test it in-game. I deleted my cache and it's still there. What's going on?
Anyone have any fixes?
median basalt
Stupid question maybe, but you did click "New Build" right? Not "last build"?
While uploading
worn copper
Hello there. I have a question from a friend. When she tries to upload avatars from unity she gets a message and she can't upload it. She created her account almoast 1 week ago. Is there a way to solve this?
worn copper
Ahh okey. Thanx for the fast info ^^
deep moon
@covert chasm i assume your announcement about the accessing content is referring to what ive found. but ive found that my avatar list disappears a lot, and i have to reload that menu part. just a heads up
as a person who flicks through my large list of avatars for jokes often, it becomes a real hassle when trying to access a punchline avatar and it bugs out lol
vocal shard
@deep moon that's been around since the golden days of Vrchat 
inner cape
He had to flex in public, don't you get it.
"Yo, Tupper, I got problems and because I ported a lot of models, means I'm more important than other things, fix your shit"
prisma timber
How do you see if your world has been reviewed?
ruby needle
in the list that shows it
prisma timber
What list?
ruby needle
prisma timber
I've sent my world in for review 2 times the past couple months already and no reply in email or anything about it.
prisma timber
It wasn't marked as anything nor any feed back either.
plucky lynx
ruby needle
oof
that is a very individual thing
every human is different
and reacts different
prisma timber
Should I keep submitting till it gets marked or any notes put on it?
ruby needle
you might wanna mail support and ask
vocal shard
first of all
NEVER try to play it off
your brain will associate motion sickness with vr which will make everything a lot worse
try starting off slow
in balanced rooms with little movement
and usually it will become better
modern sand
and high framerate
vocal shard
yes
prisma timber
Where do the notes/marking for the world appear?