vrchat-general-2

[karmic rose]

Think you've entirely missed the point of my post

And why I even said it lmao

[white latch]

I think you just don't understand how these things work

[karmic rose]

No. I absolutely do. I was very specific with what I said

[white latch]

If you claim to be as concerned as you are, then you might as well go put a tinfoil hat on and go hide in a cave. everyone has your data.

[karmic rose]

I never said i was concerned about anything

[white latch]

If you're fear mongering about Persona yeah

[karmic rose]

I didn't do that at all. Did you even read my post?

[white latch]

Yes, very much so

[karmic rose]

Doesn't seem like it lmfao

[white latch]

Also been reading the entire chat you've been typing

[bitter bone]

Holy shit merc exposing trixxed to be a troll with simple conversation 😂

[white latch]

I come from a family of people who do cybersecurity, and I'm in college for cybersecurity, and have been researching and understanding everything regarding cybersecurity and how corporations like these work. I know more what I'm talking about more than the majority of people.

[karmic rose]

I made a single point about a very specific aspect that is again provided directly by Persona, not fear mongering. About a very specific aspect of the service, stating I found it funny how people ignore that but fixate on what vrc alone gets.

That's my entire point. I find it funny.

[white latch]

Except you've literally proven you either didn't read the Age Verification FAQ or skimmed it over.

[karmic rose]

....

It's like a brick wall

[lucid rampart]

also most people don't read TOS's, they watch the video VRChat provides and go 'oh theyre getting my data!' without any looking into.

[bitter bone]

What am I reading? This is like YouTube’s negativity bots

[white latch]

I literally don't know what else to tell you. You clearly just do not understand.

[bitter bone]

Oh yes he must not understand.

[lucid rampart]

Then they come in here and will see you go 'i read the ToS but not the privacy outlines and they give your data out to alll these companies!!!!'

[karmic rose]

Pretty easy to understand when persona writes it in plain text who they send what data to....

[white latch]

vrchat has a DPA with persona, is that too hard to understand?...

do you know what a dpa is

[karmic rose]

And that changes anything I've said how?

Do u even understand what I'm saying?

[lucid rampart]

Means they don't send that information to the other companies, and also their own Privacy Policy says they don't share your information...

🤨

[white latch]

Because the DPA strictly changes the terms of how Persona will interact with VRChat's users, that they will abide by all privacy regulations regardless if the user lives in a location that those privacy regulations cover or not.

Persona has to follow VRChat's Data Processing Addendum, or they'll get penalties, that's how contracts work.

half of whatever you've read in their privacy policies might as well be null in numerous aspects

[lucid rampart]

Basic business, or no one would do business with Persona.

And they wouldn't be allowed to DO business....

[karmic rose]

Yeah.. and how do they verify who you are without submitting your data to their partners?

[lucid rampart]

..

they.. look at your ID.. and your face....

and go 'oh yeah ok the id matches the face'

[karmic rose]

Lmfao

[white latch]

are you a minor

[karmic rose]

You think there is an army of people manually checking IDs and facial scans?

[white latch]

Would you rather that? Random people looking at your information?...

[lucid rampart]

i've verified with Persona before, and the people I had to verify FOR were VERY VERY VERY open as to how it worked because they were a roleplaying website and didn't want anyone to be scared of how it worked.

[white latch]

or a black box that nobody else can see

[karmic rose]

I'll just trust what persona themselves say. I couldn't care less either way. This is funny to me.

"We may engage third parties to assist us in providing the Services, in which case we may disclose Personal Data to them. may also disclose Personal Data to service providers, including hosting, cloud services and other information technology a services providers; email communication and SMS software providers; and identity verification services, mobile device operators, background check providers, public and private records database providers, consumer reporting services, and fraud and identity management providers. For example, we may we may disclose your name and address to a third party database provider in order to request information they may have about you."

[lucid rampart]

Sounds so incredibly normal, a nothingburger.

[karmic rose]

No shit

[lucid rampart]

'we want to make sure someone isn't ACTUALLY IMPERSONATING YOU'

i hope anyone whos worried about persona a very 'i hope you never have to use your ID for anything in your life'

[white latch]

Is Persona subject to the GDPR?
Yes, it is. Any company or organization that processes data of users within the EU must comply with the GDPR, even if they aren’t based in the EU (GDPR Article 3).

Companies that violate these regulations face fines, and failure to pay those fines means other significant penalties.

Persona is also subject to the CCPA, California’s data privacy law, which is similar to the GDPR and other applicable state privacy laws. Currently, 19 other US states have adopted similar regulations.

We have entered into a DPA (Data Processing Addendum) with Persona, which contractually obligates Persona to comply with the GDPR, CCPA, and all other applicable privacy laws.

What if I don’t live in the EU or California?
Our DPA with Persona requires them to comply with all applicable data protection laws, giving our users the maximum level of regulatory protection applicable.

Even if you don’t live in the EU, California, or other jurisdictions with comprehensive data privacy legislation, your data will benefit from the DPA. Our DPA with Persona obligates them to handle all personal information responsibly, regardless of region.

Additionally, requests such as “the right to be forgotten” will be honored whenever possible, regardless of your location.

Works Cited
Tupper (2024, December 2). Age Verification FAQ. VRChat Forum. Retrieved December 11, 2024, from Tupper (2024, December 2). https://ask.vrchat.com/t/age-verification-faq/28458#p-58953-is-persona-subject-to-the-gdpr-9

[karmic rose]

Regardless, for the entire system to work, your data is sent to other companies in the process of verification.

Those companies will get your data and are not held to the same agreement.

Thus why I said I find it funny how people worry about what data vrchat alone gets while ignoring the entire chain

[white latch]

did you know that discord uses services like electron and chromium to process data??? omggg

[karmic rose]

Yeah. Did you know I'm not complaining about any of that or anything in general?

[bitter bone]

Yo is that copy pasted? It says we may we may 😂

[karmic rose]

I'm tired. I just copied it from their website and made an oopsie with discord mobile lol

[bitter bone]

Ohh ok

Hi tired, I’m Merc

[white latch]

they even use *whisper* a third party coding language known as javascript! *whisper*

[bitter bone]

Wait…

[karmic rose]

Wait. If you're Merc....

Oh God. Then who am I?!

[lucid rampart]

i have a feeling if someone knows jack about cybersecurity maybe they shouldn't try to argue about cybersecurity,,,

[bitter bone]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[karmic rose]

Lmfao

[bitter bone]

It’s so weird that stating facts makes people get all tizzied up about opinions. You can deny it’s an opinion 10000 times over but it doesn’t matter, your fact must be an opinion and must be bad because they disagree.

Man, fact and written word are not opinionated

[white latch]

if the people complaining about the hashing were in cybersecurity we would be doomed

[karmic rose]

I only pointed out how there is more to the chain of custody of your data and how I think it's funny people ignore that to fixate purely on what VRChat gets, ignoring the rest, and that is somehow something that results in seething. What I said basically agrees with their notion that people shouldn't care about security of data because we've already lost, but simply pointing out Perona's own info they themselves provided the world, somehow equates to it being my personal stance or some shit, not theirs.

Frankly. My actual, personal opinion is as I've said many times from the beginning. I just think it's funny lol.

[bitter bone]

I’m in the same boat! Everyone has it all the time anyway the best thing I can do is use it to get a role or badge I actually want and can use for something xP

[karmic rose]

The only badge I want is the one that gets me free cheeseburgers for life

[soft brook]

hey guys. quick question.
would this pc work fine with vr airlink virtual desktop stuff in vrchat?
https://www.mifcom.de/palworld-gaming-pc-ryzen-7-5800x-rtx-4060-id21678?utm_medium=retargeting&utm_source=criteo&utm_campaign=criteoactive&utm_id=13557&cto_pld=ICntnvYTAAAPjQDa0tmX8w&et_uk=99dc7d29083741809c3ce4f9f836c5e0&et_gk=MGE0M2EzNDQzNTI5NGUzZTk4ZjYwYTViMzMyMDM5ZTglN0MyNi4wMS4yMDI1KzExJTNBMTAlM0EyNQ

originally, i wanted a ryzen 7 788x3 but smth came in the way now which hinders me. is the ryzen 7 5800 a good one as well?

[karmic rose]

5800x and a 4060 will do just fine.

X3D is ideal tho.

What will hold you back more for air link n shit tho is your network setup more than any modern hardware

[soft brook]

appreciated
ye x3d was originally my plan but i got injured at work and now i'm getting less money as long as i am staying home. i have an i5 currently which sucks ass and starts to be cocky with so frigging much.

[versed chasm]

This sounds worse than what the other guy said to me😭

I don't know why persona can just not do that.

like just don't disclose personal data

like how about no

honestly I don't mind showing my passport, if that gets leaked it's not as damaging to my life.

"trust us", it's like of course I'm not going to trust a company.

[karmic rose]

I mean it's not like u can just take your ID and put it in a black box and spit out a magical verification. They operate within the confines of the law and their terms. However the entire function of the service wouldn't be possible without them having a range of partners to verify identities through depending on the user, just as Persona states. Kinda why I thought it was funny how people hyper fixate on what VRChat alone gets while ignoring all the other companies a person engages with and the data those companies collect and share along the chain of that engagement. From cellphones harvesting facial data, biometrics, marketing data, to Google to discord to Microsoft to Apple to all the ISPs and data brokers and advertising companies in between.

Pick and choose your poison and where you find it acceptable because it's not avoidable. You can to a degree dictate what information is used by who but you'll rapidly reach a point where it becomes almost impossible to avoid without forgoing technology. Not much ya can do. You agreed to the terms. You provided the data. You agreed to forced arbitration.

Use it or don't. Best to make the choice for yourself, not allow others to make it for you.

[karmic rose]

Shit bummer dude. I5s still ain't too bad. How old is it? Can ya upgrade other parts of your computer? Some I5 models are really good overclockers

[versed chasm]

But they really can make it a black box. If it's an AI, then it can be a black box.

I know you're going to say it's not, but that little clause in their policy can be used to give it to basically anyone.

[karmic rose]

Sadly life isn't perfect and AI ain't there yet. Ya gotta upload it. It's gotta be sent to their servers. Stored. Processed. Some users may need further verification which is done through records companies, ISPs, cell providers, data brokers etc etc. Data has to be sent and stored to an extent for it to function to any degree of certainty otherwise verification couldn't be certified

[versed chasm]

Yeah, like why would they need further verification??

They should leave that to another company

Someone needs to create a company that is a black box, and have it stored on ram or something, because I've had my data stolen by companies like this twice already.

[karmic rose]

Depends on the form of ID, the users phone, country, a wide range of things could cause further identification to be required. Systems that purely rely on nothing but does this image match this image could be faked. There are vulnerabilities.

[versed chasm]

If a teen wants to get in a club they'll get in. They will in this instance, take their parents headset. Making it worse off for everyone elses privacy is not the answer.

[karmic rose]

Eh I'm not here to argue this or that. Ya can make up your own mind if ya wanna engage with it or not.

[versed chasm]

unless everything is locked behind it that I used to do before, then it's not up to my mind, but instead being forced upon me. Which is why I don't like it.

[karmic rose]

Eh enjoy it while it will last. The movement is certainly towards pushing all services online to be tied to a real world ID and an actual person so access to services can be dictated, tracked and controlled. Always starts with think of the kids because that can be gotten behind by most but progresses into "it's the norm" then "it's law". Seems daunting at first but as more and more services are congregated into fewer and fewer companies, a single company can make a change that has wide sweeping ramifications and we've already seen policy makers and entire countries pushing for these exact laws.

[soft brook]

tbh i have no idea. i'm completely inexperienced there.
the pc is around 2 years old.

if i get a new graphic card, i have no idea which one would fit and what else I would've to renew

[raven mulch]

no

[bronze scroll]

People in general 1 are being silly, Lets talk about good stuff in here

[ember tundra]

I like tacos

[bronze scroll]

Tacos are pretty good

[raven mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-tuesday-time-tacos-love-gif-24228453

[stray temple]

kind of awful gen-1.....

[bronze scroll]

But Burritos are better

[ember tundra]

Burritos are good

I like ones with extra beef

[bronze scroll]

Beef is good

[ember tundra]

Someone needs to make a taco and burrito making asset for worlds, I’d have so much fun

[stray temple]

Personally like Tacos

than Burito

[bronze scroll]

Then you are weird

[stray temple]

maybe because I got TocoBell next door and......my taste match to tacos than burito

[bronze scroll]

5 layer beefy bean burito my dude

[broken plover]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6g1VoE_8I9U?si=0onJjc8EWewTzSac

[ember tundra]

:0

[broken plover]

Das a frog, innit? 👵

[lucid rampart]

fun fact you dont HAVE to verify you can literally just not, and be fine not having access to lobbies marked 18+,

Also your information won't get stolen by Persona. If they NEED to verify with another company, all they give is your name and address to get information from THAT company. Say they need information from your ISP, your ISP will have all your information already, all Persona is doing is going up to them and asking them if the information THEY have matches the information your ISP ALREADY has

your information is being stolen right now by Discord.

And google. And youtube. And literally any non-government regulated website. Persona is government regulated by the EU, it isn't some random little mom and pop ran by people with zero qualifications and eager to steal your information. Persona prefers to not be fined, or shut down, or to lose their qualifications to even be a verification service.

[lucid rampart]

Persona is significantly more trustworthy with your information than Discord lmao.

its one of those things where theres genuinely no reason to be alarmed. All the companies they would cross reference ALREADY have all your information. They're just comparing what they have to what the other company thats legally obligated to have certain information have.

Like Fraud Verification, that's literally so Persona knows someone isn't using your ID without your permission.

(which means, only YOU are using your ID.)

[bronze scroll]

The people who are anti-age verification need to be watched tbh

[lucid rampart]

they're either children themselves who regularly sneak into adult spaces, or weirdos who need to touch grass urgently because every single time I've seen someone complain about Persona 'possibly taking their personal information' its always the dumbest argument when they actively use Discord and other services.

like my brother in christ your payment information isnt even safe if you use Amazon like Persona is leaaaagues safer than any website you use...

if persona wanted your information they would simply just not delete your data

but they do, because its the law.

[bronze scroll]

They only care about their data when its something that stops them from trolling or causing issues

[lucid rampart]

yup,,,

[pseudo dawn]

How about the lawsuit Persona is currently facing? Either that doesn't seem to be a deterrent for their misuse of information by Persona, or the EU is not sticking to their word about mishandling of information.
https://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/665658052-plaintiffs-accuse-persona-identities-inc-an-identity-verification-service-provider-of-illegally-using-personal-data

[lucid rampart]

you mean using in-house info to train in-house AI to make sure IDs sent to them aren't AI generated-?

[pseudo dawn]

That is not in-house information when you have to hand the information over. The IDs didn't just magically appear in their databases.

[lucid rampart]

Information that doesn't leave their hands and still gets deleted with accordance of the law but yes keep giving excuses as to why age verification bad

[pseudo dawn]

Don't complain when your information gets leaked due to a data breach.

[lucid rampart]

It literally cannot but go off.

They turn your ID into an uncrackable hash and then delete your information from their system in accordance to EU law, nothing sticks around longer than it has to.

[pseudo dawn]

As if that hasn't been said before and the companies claiming to properly handle the info ended up getting sensitive information leaked.

Just like with NordVPN.

[lucid rampart]

It has to do this in accordance to EU law, which is very very strict, and if they don't, they risk being shut down or fined into bankruptcy.

They aren't an evil American corporation, they have to actually follow the laws or face actual consequences

[pseudo dawn]

Again, it sounds like the EU isn't actually doing much if Persona is in the midst of a lawsuit for the very reason the EU claims to go after.

[lucid rampart]

Except using information given to them to train an AI to look for AI-made IDs is vastly different than keeping your information longer than their TOS would say or leaking said information to other companies.

But again, go ahead and explain to me how Persona works with your totally real cybersecurity experience...

[pseudo dawn]

If you give me an example of the EU intervening with a company that clearly violated their guidelines, then we can talk. If not, then you don't have any counterpoints you can make.

[lucid rampart]

They aren't keeping any of your information, my dude. That's a very simple fact. It doesn't leave their hands in any way that risks your information being leaked.

Then simply don't verify if the big bad company scares you. I've already verified using Persona before.

[pseudo dawn]

They are keeping the information for at least 3 years, so that clearly is a lie.

[lucid rampart]

If VRChat sets up a retention period of a week, then all your info you sent Persona gets hard-deleted after a week, no ifs ands or buts. But I'm done trying to argue with you. You've been fearmongered into being scared of ID Verification when all your information is already on discord because you bought a profile decoration.

[pseudo dawn]

Enjoy getting 50 pizzas at your house when Persona inevitably has a data breach that leaks your sensitive information.

[lucid rampart]

Enjoy having 500 when discord has their information leaked and your payment info is everywhere for the world to see <3

[pseudo dawn]

There's a difference between providing payment information and putting out a driver's license. If I'm paying and providing my payment info, then why should I have to use my license? I'm clearly already a legal adult.

What ever happened to parents actually being responsible instead of treating tech as a babysitter?

[lucid rampart]

How does Age verification hinder you dawg.

nothing changes except now people can make 18+ group instances. That's it.

Also to use your payment information, you provide a billing address, people get more info from payment info leaking than an ID leaking, especially bc a lot of publicly available websites will already have all the info they'll ever need from you via government records...

[bronze scroll]

Your on Discord, You have a steam account, You have a Twitter account, You have a Twitch account So You have an Amazon Account, You have Prime!

[lucid rampart]

I'm way more worried about my payment info being leaked somewhere than my ID lmao...

Like ok wow you have... my address and my dead name. Ok.

meanwhile if my payment info leaks, they have my address, my name, my bank info, and more :)

[bronze scroll]

If you cared about your data you wouldent have an god dam Amazon Account...

[lucid rampart]

heck you wouldnt have a vrchat account lmao

[pseudo dawn]

Whose to say credit cards can't be canceled or expired?

[lucid rampart]

your address and other info is already out there dawg

because of said payment info...

[bitter bone]

Yeah you’re not giving someone your social security by showing them your ID… it’s not a big deal if that info did go public

[karmic rose]

Based taco enjoyer

[lucid rampart]

all the info you'd be scared about getting out there with an ID is 10 times worse if payment info leaked because it needs the same information lol

[pseudo dawn]

Then why should I have to show my license if it's quite obvious I'm a legal adult who isn't just using mommy's credit card?

[lucid rampart]

Because it's not obvious?

I had friends who could EASILY pass as an adult, who also used their OWN card for VRC+ and everything, but were NOT 18 or over.

ID Verification, which is ONLY USED for GROUP INSTANCES, verifies ok yes this person IS over 18!

VRChat doesn't even get your info outside of a DOB and a hash they can't even use themselves!!

You dont have to show ANYTHING, verification is optional

you're making a huge stink over LITERALLY NOTHING when you don't ever have to verify!

[bronze scroll]

Apple

[pseudo dawn]

Whatever happened to parents actually being responsible and knowing what their kids are doing? Perhaps parents should be getting charged with child negligence for these violations.

[lucid rampart]

They might if they're letting their younger commit identity fraud lol

[bronze scroll]

Apple got fined 2 Billion from the Eu

[pseudo dawn]

Source?

[bronze scroll]

Google Apple fined by EU you will see many news posts

[pseudo dawn]

Bring up the legal court documents, and I will gladly read it.

[bronze scroll]

Because I know if I post a news agnecy you don't agree with you will be "Fake news"

[pseudo dawn]

I didn't say news source. The court docs would be publicly available, so feel free to source that.

[bronze scroll]

Not in the EU silly

EU data laws are good

[pseudo dawn]

EU doesn't provide public court documents for the public to review?

[lucid rampart]

nnnope.

[bronze scroll]

So do you trust American companies with your data then?

Because the EU has 100% better Data laws then America

Like in the EU a website can't post your Name, address, Phone number,ect,ect

In the US they can

[lucid rampart]

should tack on without permission

[karmic rose]

Lmao people still bitchin about this xD

[pseudo dawn]

But I still would want to read a public court document over trusting the word of a news website that doesn't provide resources to view.

[bitter bone]

Will be for days I’m sure

[bronze scroll]

Werdios who are Anti-Age verification yeah

We really need to put those people on a list and keep them away from schools

[raven mulch]

you can't fix stupid

[ruby needle]

Oh so... data protection is bad if it disadvantages your own way to read int other stuff?

[karmic rose]

Ain't give two shits here. Y'all bicker with each other

[pseudo dawn]

Apparently it's a problem to not want to give up anonymity so easily.

[bronze scroll]

Bro refuses to belive that the EU fined apple 2 billion for the breaking the law

and thinks it won't fine Persona for doing the same

[lucid rampart]

so IronMadden wants anonymity for themselves but no one else?

[karmic rose]

I fined Apple two billion apples

Smh they don't even have apples

[lucid rampart]

🤨

[pseudo dawn]

I am looking for examples of EU actually taking action over the breaching of user data where the users had to provide their IDs, and that information gets breached or laws are violated.

[bronze scroll]

They have many many times

[pseudo dawn]

People want to bring up examples and not provide sources.

[bronze scroll]

USe google its your friend!!!

[lucid rampart]

because you want court documents that arent publicly available.

but then cry that persona will make your information publicly available,,,

[pseudo dawn]

You brought it up, you provide it, lol.

[karmic rose]

Who here is giving away tacos?

I AM

[ruby needle]

Like the massive recent filings against meta?

[bronze scroll]

https://www.investopedia.com/apple-loses-eu-tax-case-must-pay-usd14-4-billion-8709388#:~:text=Apple received illegal tax benefits,Europe's top court ruled Tuesday.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-set-face-fine-under-eus-landmark-digital-markets-act-sources-say-2024-11-05/

i can post more if you want

[lucid rampart]

paul you need to actually be in the court room to prove it tho /sarcasm

[raven mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tacos-dog-cute-pup-puppy-gif-14013879449935165066

[karmic rose]

I am the judge in the case.

[pseudo dawn]

Now was that so hard?

[bronze scroll]

Bro 100% thinks that American companies are better I bet

[karmic rose]

Kinda a soft shell enjoyer

[bronze scroll]

Yet american companies have WAY less laws limiting them

[karmic rose]

Better cheeseburgers that's for sure

[raven mulch]

Bro 100% thinks that American companies are is better I bet

[pseudo dawn]

Is it a problem to want to get direct sources for court cases instead of having a news outlet making an article that can have their own narrative placed on the information that is available?

[karmic rose]

Yeah duh

Your source is the origin of the information. Once you learn the source u will have the sauce

[bronze scroll]

The EU has Privacy LAWS

[lucid rampart]

you wanted court case documents that arent public, shocking that it'll take a minute to find a website that fits your tiny example of 'not a news source'

[karmic rose]

I just made them public

But they're mine so you're not allowed to wear it

[pseudo dawn]

There's a difference between a court case and getting the home address of a private citizen who didn't have to go to court.

[karmic rose]

Those are different?

Did you know there's a difference between cheeseburger and taco

[pseudo dawn]

But at least MrPupa actually opted to source something out instead of saying "Trust me, bro."

[bronze scroll]

Its something that everyone knows really

The whole apple getting Fined thing was pretty massive

Like Pretty massive

[lucid rampart]

i remember when it happened and i'm american lol

i was cheering for it tbh

[bronze scroll]

You are just being weird but not wanting Age verification

[pseudo dawn]

It's still best to provide sources when discussing topics where you want to have the details available.

[karmic rose]

The sky is blue source: ur mom

Sandwiches are tacos

Source: the sandwich king

[pseudo dawn]

How is it weird to be concerned about data protections? Stuff like this is definitely ideal to be able to look into and research in order to make a proper stance on. Why is it weird to want sources or information to make sure there isn't anything to be concerned of?

[bronze scroll]

You have a god dam Amazon account.

You most likely use google for gmail right?

[karmic rose]

Conform. Submit. Comply.

Become borg

🍔

[bronze scroll]

You have a twitch account that is an affiliate meaning Twitch has your banking infomation

and your SSN for tax reasons

So I rest my case that you don't care that much about Data Protection seeing that you Trust Amazon, Twitch, Twitter, Discord, Google, I'm assuming you have a Quest Headset?

@pseudo dawn

[karmic rose]

I gave my SSN to burger king for free burgers. Well, the guy said I would get free burgers but they haven't showed up in the mail yet. Still waiting!

[pseudo dawn]

You seem to be missing the point.

[karmic rose]

Should be looking for faces instead of points

[bronze scroll]

What's the point I'm missing? You turst american companies over EU Companies?

[pseudo dawn]

When it comes to Amazon, Discord, and other places, they aren't asking me to provide my ID.

[lucid rampart]

they have all the information your ID has though.

[bronze scroll]

Amazon owns Twitch, You have a Twitch account that can earn money, Meaning they have your SSN

[lucid rampart]

Address, name, age-

[pseudo dawn]

It makes sense to provide ID in a physical location like a bar or a grocery store to purchase alcohol because the person checking isn't taking a picture of my license. I show them my info, they give me my card back, and I'm on my way.

[bronze scroll]

Amazon does infact ask for your ID when buying alcoholic drinks and other things

[ruby needle]

^

Or get their credit thingy
Or but on rent

[bronze scroll]

Yes

[pseudo dawn]

Amazon is a corporation. VRChat is a social platform. Social platforms should not be asking for my license.

[broken plover]

unfortunately, you can't give someone your id through the internet, so you'll have to upload a picture instead
if vrchat could do id checks physically like you do at bars and grocery stores, they definitely would, but it's impossible to send a vrchat employee to every single player's house to check their id

[bronze scroll]

VRchat is a Corporation as well, They have a company behind them and employees and developers that are paid.

[ruby needle]

Great news. It's your own choice if you want to verify or not.
Cus it's optional

[pseudo dawn]

I don't buy alcohol off of Amazon. I go to an actual store to get alcohol.

[ruby needle]

So what, it's an option you may or may not take.
Just like VRChat verification

And if you DO take the option on Amazon, they do ask for your ID so the argument stands.

[karmic rose]

for now hehehe

[bronze scroll]

So when that store scans your ID? Thats fine

[pseudo dawn]

No they don't. The person looks with their eyes, see the date of birth, then they let me get my alcohol.

[bronze scroll]

Grocery stores then

[karmic rose]

Yeah ID scans for liquor is rare in the US

[ruby needle]

Never go on a japan holiday

Where they scan your passport everywhere you stay

[pseudo dawn]

Gas stations and liquor stores as well. It's not just grocery stores.

[karmic rose]

Even then the scan just shows dob of the screen and isn't even connected to a network

[pseudo dawn]

Apples to oranges.

[young echo]

usually they just ask to see it then hit the "they are of correct age" button

[pseudo dawn]

Or, realistically, apples to air conditioners.

[ruby needle]

Is what you say

[ember tundra]

Shops over here gotta scan ids to prove they aren’t fake for alcohol

[broken plover]

comparing vrchat age verification to buying alcohol at a grocery store is also apples to oranges comparison

one thing is over the internet, one is physical

[lucid rampart]

thats what theyre doing with Persona. They look at the ID in your hand next to your face and go 'yup thats them'

[karmic rose]

The scanners a few places use here such as weed stores aren't even networked. Just a screen that shows the dob from the barcode to verify it's real. Nothing more.

[pseudo dawn]

This ^

[lucid rampart]

the first time i ever verified with persona, the website using them had you have a piece of paper showing the date next to your face and ID, and a photo of just your ID, I didn't have paper so I used a paper plate 😭

i looked so poor in my photo

[young echo]

also checks for other more niche things like if the id has the correct sigil in the correct spot
if the other identifying information makes sense

[pseudo dawn]

With a picture that can be saved. They can say all they want that they don't keep that info, but how can we trust their word?

[lucid rampart]

because the EU would kick their ass like they did Apple...?

🤨 which we showed proof of them doing to Apple???

[karmic rose]

Any company with forced arbitration clauses should be considered sus now a days lol

[ruby needle]

Definitely don't forget Meta's very curent case.
Where they actually where ruled to be liable and have to pay compensation for the data leak a while ago.

[pseudo dawn]

Like VRChat.

[lucid rampart]

Meta is so trustworthy 🙂 /s

VRchat isn't getting any info besides your DOB which you can provide yourself when you signed up dawg...

[shut sorrel]

Trust us, your information is online already, and if you say it's not then you're lying out your ass XD

[young echo]

and other info to identify the id for the hash most likely

[pseudo dawn]

I wasn't even mentioning age verification with that one. I was simply pointing out that VRChat recently introduced a forced arbitration clause in their Terms of Use.

[lucid rampart]

the hash itself is what they'd get, which they themselves can't use so

[karmic rose]

Yeah both vrc and persona have forced arbitration clauses.

[pseudo dawn]

A clause that coincidentally showed up shortly before the age verification was introduced.

[karmic rose]

Literally immediately before it lmao

[young echo]

yea? whats your point?

[shut sorrel]

Oh well, you don't have to do age verification if you don't wanna, it's not a requirement

[karmic rose]

My burger also showed up coincidentally immediately before I ate it

[shut sorrel]

If you don't wanna do it, don't do it. Simple as that

[lucid rampart]

I'm verifying because I like to go to bar worlds sometimes and prefer no kids

[young echo]

your burger coincidentally was only being made after you ordered it

[bronze scroll]

Heres the "arbitration " people You won't ever have the money to sue a company like VRChat in the first place.

[pseudo dawn]

So if VRChat or Persona is found to have information leaked out, we won't be allowed to receive compensation in any potential class action lawsuits that could feasibly come up in the future.

[karmic rose]

It's a meme companies adding forced arbitration to bypass rights knowing they doing shady ass shit trying to get ahead of it before litigation.

[bronze scroll]

And?

[pseudo dawn]

EULA roofies

[lucid rampart]

clears throat LOUDLY.

[bronze scroll]

You think that 5$ you get from a class action will change your life?

[lucid rampart]

Discord has an Arbitration clause. Most websites you use have Arbitration clauses.

[bronze scroll]

Steam has a Arbitration, Amazon has one, Twitch has one

[lucid rampart]

When discord has an information leak you also will probably get nothing, VRChat is not unique my dude.

[karmic rose]

most shady companies doing sus things added forced arbitration so it's normal and acceptable now

[young echo]

but I dont think them adding it would matter either way

[pseudo dawn]

It's not only about suing. Even for class action lawsuits, you can't be represented in any way for that. You waiver any possibility to get compensation for a screw-up on VRChat's behalf.

[lucid rampart]

you could always take persona to small claims court.

[karmic rose]

You can't

You agreed to arbitration

[young echo]

wouldnt it get invalidated in the case of illegal activity on the other's part

[pseudo dawn]

It would be nice if VRC let us email them to opt out of the forced arbitration clause, but nope. You need to send a physical letter out that could get lost or delayed in the mail.

[karmic rose]

It's always opt out never opt in

[lucid rampart]

then go ahead and opt out for discord and every other website too

[karmic rose]

That's not how that works lmao

[fading hemlock]

Soooo... Whats happening and what are you all talking about "opt in/out" of something?

[broken plover]

can I opt out of paying taxes?

[lucid rampart]

the ONLY REASON you care so much about VRChat having one is bc people can age verify and limit who joins their instances.

[pseudo dawn]

The EULA says you can opt out within one month of the clause being introduced. The problem is that you can't simply email VRChat and say "Hey, I want to opt out." VRChat has it where you need to mail a physical letter out and pay for your own postage stamps to send it out.

[bronze scroll]

Once more, Iron your claims of caring about your data are useless, You have an Amazon Account, Discord Account, Steam account, Twitter account, Twitch Account, Meta Account, Google account, Xbox Account and any other account you have

[pseudo dawn]

Basically making it complicated to opt out of their scheme.

[lucid rampart]

"Scheme"

[bronze scroll]

But god dam one company asks you to verify that you are 18+ before going to 18+ places is bad

[fading hemlock]

Thats if someone sees my message or not is another story.

[lucid rampart]

I have a simple solution to your problem, Madden. Stop using VRChat.

[bronze scroll]

^

[pseudo dawn]

This isn't even about the age verification anymore. Can you not read? I suppose not if you didn't read VRC's updated EULA.

[young echo]

I wouldnt say mailing a letter is complicated

[bronze scroll]

and I care why?

[karmic rose]

Yeah. Stop using the internet entirely since you have an opinion on anything. Opinions are bad.

[young echo]

hell my local post office offers free stamps for small packages

[karmic rose]

If your opinion doesn't match mine then just get offline

[lucid rampart]

You only care about VRChat though because they're introducing Age Verification. You don't care about the other websites you frequent that have the same exact thing

[pseudo dawn]

You don't care that you can't read? I'm glad you admitted to it.

[lucid rampart]

You're arguing for a strawman.

[bronze scroll]

I don't plan on suing VrChat I don't have nearly the amount of money to sue them

[broken plover]

imagine how people back in the days felt when IDs were first introduced to society, and then laws were put in place to prevent minors buying alcohol, so little ol timmy couldn't just go to his local pub anymore and just grab a beer afer working in the salt mines all day

[lucid rampart]

not little timmy :(

[pseudo dawn]

I've never had to send my driver's license to any other website.

[lucid rampart]

and you don't have to do it for VRChat either~

[karmic rose]

For now

[lucid rampart]

It's optional, just like those other sites~

[karmic rose]

for now

[lucid rampart]

According to only you because you like to fear monger, dawg.

You're a troll. :/

[karmic rose]

Lmfao

[pseudo dawn]

Huh, tell me where I would have to provide my license for any other site you want to bring up where it is mandatory.

[fading hemlock]

Looks like no one saw my question. Thats fine. Ill just stay confused

[karmic rose]

I may be a troll but y'all need to touch grass

[lucid rampart]

Amazon lets you put in an ID if you want alcohol. VRChat lets you put in an ID to join groups, not worlds that want ID Verification too.

[young echo]

certain adult website with funny drum intro requires by certain state laws to provide your id to prove you are an adult

[lucid rampart]

they're both fully optional.

Staff have constantly restated that Age Verification is NOT MANDATED.

[fading hemlock]

Im so confused rn ;-;

[broken plover]

roblox lets you put in an id to access voice chat
(or now they do it if you just verify your phone number I think idk, back in the days it was age verified players only)

[lucid rampart]

You are not being limited in VRChat if you don't verify your age.

[karmic rose]

It's best to ignore this entire chat

You'll gain nothing and lose your time

[pseudo dawn]

This is pertaining to a forced arbitration clause, meaning thay if VRChat is in a class action lawsuit in the future, you waive any means to be legally represented in any means. Basically meaning, if VRC fucks up on their part or makes a decision that greatly impacts you, you are not able to sue or be part of a class action.

[fading hemlock]

I think your right because my brain is hurting from all the confusion

[karmic rose]

Go eat cheeseburger and enjoy day

[lucid rampart]

Same for most other websites you use. Stop fear mongering.

[shut sorrel]

Imagine getting called on BS then telling people to ignore everything people are saying

[karmic rose]

They're hardly fear mongering.....

[fading hemlock]

Ah

[lucid rampart]

Theyre acting like VRChat is the only webstie ever to have any of this, and so you should fear ONLY VRChat for anything.

[bitter bone]

Well it’s a good thing the only thing that would be leaked is my date of birth and a unique hash that means nothing to an outsider

[fading hemlock]

I had a egg sandwich. 100% recommend

[young echo]

Im pretty sure in the case of illegal activity itd invalidate the clause

[lucid rampart]

Discord has the same arbitration clause as VRChat but Madden isn't pitching a stink about if Discord has a data breach!

[karmic rose]

Sharing an opinion about something that concerns them isn't fear mongering unless you're afraid of opinions

[shut sorrel]

They're probably sleeper agents for Neos or Chillout XD

[pseudo dawn]

Oh, it does.

[karmic rose]

Yet there are cases of forced arbitration being upheld...

[pseudo dawn]

Seems plenty of people here don't know what forced arbitration actually means. Maybe go check out the videos Louis Rossmann has made regarding the subject.

[lucid rampart]

"This law provides that arbitration agreements are generally valid and enforceable. The major exception to this provision is that the arbitration agreement is not enforceable if it violates the general law of contracts – which applies to all contracts under the law of the state that governs the agreement."

"As a general rule, only strong evidence of duress or fraud are sufficient to invalidate an arbitration clause. It is worth noting that many state courts will to set aside arbitration agreements where the parties have vastly disparate bargaining power (such as between employers and employees)."

[pseudo dawn]

Then I hope you don't have any food allergies and go to a Disney theme park if you even registered for a free trial of Disney+.

[young echo]

what

[bitter bone]

What

[karmic rose]

I member when Disney killed someone at their park but since they agreed to not sue in the TOS for the streaming site they tried hard to get them into arbitration only until public outlash caused them to back down and allow it to proceed in court.

[lucid rampart]

That's Disney, Disney is also stacked with cash to keep you tied in courts either way with how much money they have.

[pseudo dawn]

If you die due to a food allergy at a Disney theme park, Disney is not legally responsible because you agreed to their EULA that has a forced arbitration agreement.

[lucid rampart]

You aren't winning against Disney no matter if you could sue them or not.

[fading hemlock]

I actually heard about that.

Walt Disney would be very disappointed in that. (im assuming he would anyway)

[lucid rampart]

I love how IronMadden will make every excuse as to why only VRChat is evil for having an arbitration clause that is still opt-outable if you aren't lazy, but uses Discord, which btw had a data breach last year <3!

[pseudo dawn]

Plenty of bootlickers in this server, huu.

Tupper isn't gonna make you a moderator.

[lucid rampart]

More like people who have more than 1 brain cell and know EU law isn't the same thing as American Bribery.

[karmic rose]

I don't think that's what they're doing. You're just elevating it to that in your head.

[pseudo dawn]

Where did you get American bribery from anything? It's pretty clear who here is lacking the braincells.

[karmic rose]

I don't think it's wise to champion the reduction of your rights just because it's now the norm or some shit. But that's just me. You can engage with something while still being allowed to have an opinion about it

[lucid rampart]

.... I'm just gonna block you now because the fact that you keep arguing in circles because you don't want to have to verify to troll public instances.

[young echo]

forced arbitration is stupid in general but Im also not going to make an insanely big deal out of something that isnt complicated to opt out of

[karmic rose]

Buddy u been here days doing exactly that lmfao

[lucid rampart]

I'm not trolling, but you can be blocked too since you've been nothing but one every time ID Verification is brought up, even to someone who WORKS Cybersecurity.

[karmic rose]

That doesn't even make sense?

Oh I get it now. Punctuation was odd

[bitter bone]

Nah I can’t read it lol

[young echo]

that feels quite a bit out of pocket for the argument

[pseudo dawn]

Apparently having concerns is "trolling" these days.

[karmic rose]

The only correct thought is the one that conforms with the masses.

[pseudo dawn]

Don't question things. Just be a good user and give up your data to us. We pinky promise to not keep it or sell it off.

[lucid rampart]

If your concerns are so important that normal users cannot comment or explain them, go to the ticket site and submit a ticket expressing your concerns instead. Clearly no one here is qualified enough to help you.

[karmic rose]

Fair. I only worked in signals intelligence with psychological operations for the government with a ts/sci for over a decade. I joke around and mock this stuff because I've seen the value of big data to state actors lol

Frankly I don't care what people do. But it's pretty funny to me to see y'all go in endless circles for days so I'll poke the chat for my bemusement

[bitter bone]

Merc likes stoking fires ^

It’s what I know him for here

[hallow bear]

[pseudo dawn]

Whatever happened to the VRChat community of old? Back when the platform was actually worthwhile to be a part of?

[karmic rose]

That died years ago. I miss the old days

[broken plover]

ever since the quest, that part died out already

quest brought in too many screaming children

[karmic rose]

Even when Q1 launched it was so new hardly anyone had it. I got it on launch day, hardly any questies back then. Q2 imo is when it all went downhill

Shit got too cheap and too widespread and all the parents started buying it

[broken plover]

i included q1 because without q1, q2 wouldn't have happened

imagine if vrchat would still be pcvr only

[karmic rose]

I just liked how small the community was back then

You could actually go to all the new worlds uploaded

[pseudo dawn]

To me, while it's not 100% of them, I'd say the uptick of furries definitely ruined the community. Again, not saying every furry is bad in the community, but a vast majority are.

[karmic rose]

Furries been here since the very start tho

[lucid rampart]

behold the new generation. Kids on shitty laptops with the worst mic quality known to man phasing in and out of reality due to lag

[pseudo dawn]

That is true, but it was not as commonplace.

[karmic rose]

Yeah. The avatars were dog shit back then

Nanachi was one of the first kinda wide spread decent cheap furry models

Now nobody really uses them anymore q.q

[pseudo dawn]

It's when they started to become more widespread and vocal is when they began being problematic and shifted the community around.

[bronze scroll]

You think Furries runined the community?>

Not the Dr Disrespects? or Ava Kris Tysons?

[ruby needle]

I mean, they did.
They made all this, they run the infrastructure.
They use this to corrupt us and control use!
(This is a joke )

[lucid rampart]

paul can you give a percentage of how much of staff are furries

[bronze scroll]

I can understand jokes don't worry Paul

[lucid rampart]

how far did we infiltrate

have we reached tupper

[broken plover]

tuwupper

[pseudo dawn]

You mean the furry community that harvests those DrDisrespects and Avas that you speak of?

[bronze scroll]

We don't claim them, and we actively seek to remove them from VRcHAT

[shut sorrel]

Alright now I know you're just trolling 💀💀💀

[pseudo dawn]

Good luck with that.

[bronze scroll]

Its pretty Easy, Report them with proof and they get banned.

[shut sorrel]

I've seen people literally get mass reported and shouted out of furry-run instances for being PDF's lmao, I don't know what groups you're hanging around but trouble finds trouble I guess 🤷‍♂️

[bronze scroll]

I got someone who was using NSFW stuff in a public place banned

[pseudo dawn]

It's not hard to find, and it's documented plenty on YouTube.

[lucid rampart]

Every group of people have bad individuals or groups. The predators I've met on VRChat were very defiantly not furries.

[pseudo dawn]

Still seems like rose-tinted glasses compared to the past of VRChat where bad actors were the exception and not the norm.

[shut sorrel]

Hmm, it's almost as if modern media prefers to only ever cover bad things, good news doesn't rake in as much viewership and money

[lucid rampart]

hey ghost welcome to the very late party lol

[bronze scroll]

and Age verification will help with keeping Minors safe..

So whats your point? You want to hate on furries, But then be anti-Age Verification

[bronze scroll]

You know what stops bad actors? having their ID tied to their account..

Much easier to find out who they are

[pseudo dawn]

Age verification doesn't stop people from going to public lobbies to continue to creep.

[pseudo dawn]

Wait, I thought you said the info wasn't kept. Are you starting to contradict yourself?

[ruby needle]

Except they arent

Cus the hash archives that, without storing the actual data.

[pseudo dawn]

So how would you be able to identify the bad actors as MrPupa tried to say?

That implies more identifying info would be kept on file.

[ruby needle]

If a new account is made with the same hash as a banned account.

You don'T know the persona

but you know it's a bad hash

As shrimple as that

[pseudo dawn]

So you're saying that Persona still holds onto identifying information about the users who submit their IDs through their services?

[ruby needle]

Except that's absolutely not what i'm saying or how it works

[pseudo dawn]

Sounding a little fishy now.

[ruby needle]

A hash is generated on a fixed set of criteria
The same input will always generate the same hash.
However, a hash is not encrypted data, you can not reverse a hash to get back the original data.

[broken plover]

a hash is a one-way "encryption", as a side note

[ruby needle]

Look up the video posted yesturday if you really care

[pseudo dawn]

You still didn't answer the question. Is Persona holding onto user data after the verification, or not?

[ruby needle]

Watch the video from yesturday 🙃

[broken plover]

the data itself, no
only the hash (probably)

[ruby needle]

hash + dob

[bronze scroll]

I really don't think this guy cares about his data he just wants to be diffrent

[pseudo dawn]

You clearly aren't looking to answer the question, so I will suspect that they still are holding onto other information from the IDs we send.

[bronze scroll]

Then what do you suggest

How does VRchat prove its users are 18+

[ruby needle]

I'm a discord mod, so i suggest you to watch the video PURELY MADE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION from the actual VRChat team

[pseudo dawn]

I don't think you care about safety. You just want to ignore concerns.

[ruby needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzG9IwmM7TI

[bronze scroll]

My ID being in the hands of a company is not Un-safe

The amount of times my ID has been scanned applying for jobs,ect,ect I could care less

[pseudo dawn]

Nothing was explained about Persona's side of the deal. Only VRChat.

[broken plover]

I personally don't know every detail but didn't they say persona deletes all data? so in theory, only vrchat would store the hash (and DoB) while persona just "generates" the data and provides it to vrc or something

[bronze scroll]

You act like every single job does not take a copy of your ID

[pseudo dawn]

Why not have a representative from Persona confirm without a shadow of doubt that they do not hold any data?

[pseudo dawn]

You act like VRChat is the same as a job or an in-person business.

[bronze scroll]

You act like Twitch does not have a copy of your ID

[pseudo dawn]

You act like VRChat is on the same level as an actual business like Amazon.

[bronze scroll]

You showed Twitch your ID right, or you SSN since you are able to get paid from Streaming Right?

Twitch is bound by way less laws then Persona is.

Persona has to follow strict strict EU laws with all of its customers data,

Twitch only has to follow that with its EU Customers.

[pseudo dawn]

We are just going to go through the same points again. You're wasting your time.

[bronze scroll]

Twitch can 1000% sell the data of its American customers and it does.

[bronze scroll]

No, I proved a point you are picking and chosing whats "Good" and "Bad"

You are fine with Twitch and Amazon but not Persona.

[ruby needle]

If you wanna discuss, discuss, but keep your random hatred out of here IronMadden

[bronze scroll]

The fact you had to go to personal insults is sad.

[pseudo dawn]

It wasn't personal. You basically admitted to the fact that community has plenty of bad actors.

I wasn't hating. Just stating what I see.

[bronze scroll]

Every community has bad actors, It would be wrong to say they don't.

[pseudo dawn]

Some more than others.

[bronze scroll]

But that's not the point of me trying to find out why you dislike Age verification so bad, You don't have to use it

It will help adults who want to talk to other adults and not have kids around

[pseudo dawn]

I was just wanting to see more transparency about whether or not the data is actually being removed as claimed, but I'm getting responses that seem to contradict those claims.

[bronze scroll]

It will allow worlds to limit what ages can join their worlds, and it will make VRchat better

You act like Persona is not a massive Euopean Company backed by the EU Government.

[pseudo dawn]

VRChat is never going to get better.

It has only gotten worse over the years.

[pseudo dawn]

As if the EU is 100% trustworthy and definitely not as corrupt as the other governments in the world.

[bronze scroll]

Yeah now you are just clearly ragebaiting

[ruby needle]

Yeah.

[pseudo dawn]

Takes one to know one, it seems.

[umbral reef]

I also dont trust banks to keep my money

[lucid rampart]

that's why all my money is in a fanny pack i lost somewhere in my house :)

[bronze scroll]

I would rather Trust Germany with my data then an American company

[pseudo dawn]

I just find it odd that FPaul doesn't want to directly answer a question I had about a drastic change to the platform is all.

[bronze scroll]

Its above their pay grade.

[umbral reef]

They are a volunteer chatmod only so

[ruby needle]

#vrchat-general-2 message

[bronze scroll]

They are a dsicord chat mod

They don't work for VRChat

[karmic rose]

It's a US based company.

Based in San Francisco

[bronze scroll]

They are backed by the EU

[karmic rose]

I'm just saying

[bronze scroll]

and Follow the EU Guidelines

[karmic rose]

Still just correcting u is all

[bronze scroll]

I never said they where in germany though..

I said I would rather trust a random company in germany

with my data then an american company only in America

[crystal knot]

For the love of everything holy please make vr for adults only

Kids should not be using vr headset

[ruby needle]

I'm pretty certain you'd say somethign else if you still where of that age class.

It's always easy to say something likethat when it no longer affects you.

[crystal knot]

True but they do be annoying tho

[ruby needle]

You where young once too, and propably did some annoying stuff

(This is not meant as an attack, just wanna make that very clear)

It's sadly always a balance of things.

[shut sorrel]

We all shat in diapers at some point 🤷‍♂️

The issue is less kids being annoying, it's moreso parents leaving parenting to the people online with no intermediation

[karmic rose]

Not me. I always was old

Born old. Die old

[ruby needle]

I knew you are a robot

[karmic rose]

I just am

[vocal shard]

Yes you're a dog robot

[rain zinc]

In Avatar Optimizations, what is a good Maximum Download size and uncompressed size? My gpu vram is 16gb

[karmic rose]

16gb per avatar

[rain zinc]

lol

[plain merlin]

See... gen2 is evil

[devout tangle]

say there arent bad actors on vrchat
get accused of defending them
say there are bad actors on vrchat
"you admitted there are bad actors, vrchat bad!"

[devout tangle]

Instead of keeping your ID information stored with Persona, we're implementing a new system that lets us process and verify your information securely, and then immediately delete your personal information.

We keep [the hash], but the actual ID information is immediately deleted from both VRChat and Persona's systems.
did we watch the same video?

i really like this decision personally.

also persona is incentivized to do what they stated will happen here because iirc vrchat is literally going to be paying them to do so

if they dont immediately delete the info as promised or otherwise violate the agreement, that means no more vrc money

[lament echo]

I recall someone mention persona as having a sketchy history

I can't attest to anything tho

[lucid rampart]

The 'sketchy' history in question is Illinoise putting a case against them for using pictures people sent in to train their in-house AI to better check if an image/ID is real or not without constant human intervention. @lament echo

[lament echo]

Interesting

[hoary pond]

I don't remember clearly, but I can't remember the name of the world I came to when I was playing VRChat around 2019. I didn't take any photos, so the world may have disappeared. It was a world with a spaceship motif, with various rooms connected to a central room, and one of the rooms was full of greenery and plants, which was impressive. I think there was a gimmick of collecting coins in that room.
(sorry I didn't know how to use the server, so I posted it on an off-topic channel and got scolded, and I'm reposting it on this channel)

[ember tundra]

If you ever find it lemme know, sounds cool

[karmic rose]

Shame no screenshots

[severe dew]

Oh that world.
Yeah it's gone

It's a avatar world btw

[lucid rampart]

name of it anyway?

[small wing]

The taco queen disagrees

Source: me

[crystal knot]

True

[vocal shard]

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_1bad841d-e2eb-4187-b43d-d83ec0ed47b4/info

Star Bus. damn cool world

[desert spade]

you're not thinking of verhack are you?

[thorn ore]

age verify

[rigid roost]

Oh no! We never did annoying stuff while young. (Looks up and whistles)

[soft acorn]

Banana

[hoary pond]

It's a different world than I had in mind, but it's kinda cool too.

[vocal shard]

alr. I was just thinking that fit the description

[hoary pond]

This world. Thank you. But it was updated a little and was a little different from what I remembered.

[vocal shard]

ah

[soft brook]

ok, after contemplating a little, my budget lies at 2300€
what pc do you recommend? playing vrchat with meta quest 3 via virtual desktop steam link vr and other high performance games. also doing a couple things at the same time.

what pc can you recommend for me?

[mighty nest]

Look up Tuppers VRC PC guide, he outlines a system that prioritizes playing VRC. If you can play VRC well then you can most likely play any other AAA game

[ruby needle]

That's a decent budget for a build around a 7800X3D and 4070ti super

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/YKZdDj

Here is somethign i threw together quickly

[soft brook]

that whole thing is a nice catch but it doesn't rly list pcs that i should get

[soft brook]

oh thanks!

[ruby needle]

Case ofc is something you can pick according to liking, make sure to check cpu cooler clearance.

[soft brook]

what does that mean?

cpu cooler clearance

[ruby needle]

And if you are fine with using the adapters for the 12pin cpu power socket (that sadly all cards come with now...) you can also get a focus GX series from SeaSonic instead.

The PSU i added in here has that as a native cable without needing adapters.

[ruby needle]

The NH D15 (CPU Coolers) is quite tall, not all cases can fit it.

[soft brook]

i am a noob with these numbers etc

halp 😂

[ruby needle]

If you buy a case, it will tell you the maximum height of a CPU cooler it can fit

and CPU coolers tell you their maximum height

the Case needs to be bigger than the CPU cooler is tall

[vocal shard]

i bought 4060 ti system with ryzen 5 7500 for 1100 euros

[ruby needle]

Else you can't close the side panel.

[vocal shard]

2300 can buy a pc much better I believe

and my pc was prebuilt too so, idk

[bitter bone]

My side panel hasn’t fit since I upgraded my GPU years ago 😅

It’s just been open for years

[buoyant salmon]

💀

[karmic rose]

I had a glass PC case and got tired of cleaning it so I removed all the glass panels and was left with an entirely open frame where it sat running for years lmao

[agile sun]

Morning

[young echo]

You cleaned your glass?

[karmic rose]

That is what I said yes.

[young echo]

I havent cleaned the glass on mine since I got it

[cerulean sun]

I'm gonna kiss someone frfr

[rustic torrent]

So am i. 👍

[vocal shard]

Have you seen them? Now you have

[jovial shale]

Anyone want to hang out on vrchat?

[vocal shard]

I would love to but i sadly still need to save up funds to buy myself a new pc

[vocal shard]

So long as said person consents 👌

[cerulean sun]

But who will?

[vocal shard]

Whoever is up to it

[kind jackal]

are all old avatars broken? haven't seen any old avatar working

or is it just a bug? cause alot of my avatars have been hit with security check but later on worked

[broken plover]

If they are so unoptimized that they fail security checks, they’re not gonna work anymore ig
But if they are within today’s limits, they’re should mostly work fine

[midnight wharf]

So when are we all getting age verification? Cuz I just heard about some vrc dance club server getting nuked recently.
Full of minors and rippers, run by a 14 year old... 👀👀👀 Members Only, I think it was called.
Brother, people were getting danced on by ACTUAL children
If people are ACTUALLY 18+ I feel like it needs to be a requirement that it's on our profiles. I'm so sick of hearing about stuff like this.

[severe dew]

Soon

Also report minors

#vrchat-support

[midnight wharf]

I heard from a friend, but I told them the same thing. I'm honestly baffled stuff like this actually happens...

[severe dew]

Yes which is why I constantly advocated for this.

[midnight wharf]

Then kids run around slandering older people because they lie about their age and call them a p#do and I just worry for ppl who don't know and get into ugly situations. I'm so ready for age verification.

[severe dew]

No age verification will not segregat the game.
No minors will not be targeted more.
Infact it is easier to identify risk which can be easily dealt with

And yeah I'm sorry to say i like hanging out with people who are mature.

And yes I was once a kid too.
But I did not get a vr headset as a Christmas present
And online wasn't even that popular yet.

So yeah definitely need online control

[midnight wharf]

It's the maturity gaps for me. I can't relate to most of the younger generation.

I honestly don't want to deal with kids. Adults, do in fact, want to hang with other adults.

[severe dew]

So kids should be hanging out with kids.

But as understanding goes.
Kids love to meddle in adult space

So please have patients and wait until the roll out.

For age verification

[midnight wharf]

That's how it goes

[severe dew]

And who ever said kids cant lie that's bs

No 18 year old sounds like a grade schooler when asked them how old they are at the bar

[crystal epoch]

I blame @severe dew tbh.

[midnight wharf]

Haha I can't relate, I didn't have an interest in drinking till my late 20's

Now it just makes me feel icky

[midnight wharf]

Anyways I figured I'd inquire about the age verification stuff anyways. I hope everyone has a fantastic night/day or whatever time it is for yall.

[low jackal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/540726145113522176/1173737259971919942/mega_KOT3D_-_1702839304584647125.gif

[viral wren]

You can't filter kids out based on voice alone but if you speak to someone you should pretty quickly notice if someone is lying about their age lol.

[bitter bone]

Some kids know that being hella quiet is “chill” so they just try to fit in there and it works for a lot of em I feel like

[viral wren]

oh absolutely, it's super easy for kids rn to "invade" adult spaces.

hopefully age verification will filter most of them out

[bitter bone]

Agreed

I mean it’ll filter all of em lol if I ever meet someone with a badge and they act like a child I’m reporting for it

[elder skiff]

anyone know of a 3rd party website to find worlds from europe easier ?

[bitter bone]

I’d imagine once vrc is aware of you it’s easy for them to tell the difference

[viral wren]

wym with "worlds from europe" all maps can be opened as an EU instance

[bitter bone]

I’m the biggest baby I know but I’m more than willing to dump anything they need to know I’m old lol

[viral wren]

im looking forward to joining a public instance and knowing it wont be overrun by the local middleschool

[blazing isle]

Yeah

[naive warren]

hello so i want to buy the Globular Cluster F3 Magnetic Facial interface and have a problem because i also want to buy for the straps a boba s3 pro and dont know what i should choose the facial interface for elite and basic or the one for halo straps https://www.globular-cluster.com/GCF3.html https://www.bobovr.com/de/products/s3-pro

[vocal shard]

Good FullBody Trackrs for Quest 3 user? (uses PC vr)

[naive warren]

vive tracker

[vocal shard]

sony mocopi any good????????

[naive warren]

good enough if you want a cheaper version get the slime

[devout tangle]

slime's better than mocopi i believe @kindred dome

[naive warren]

yea i think so too

[young echo]

mocopi is mocap trackers not made to be used as fbt trackers

[devout tangle]

i mean yea but slime can also b used for that

mocopi just kinda sucks

also slimes open source, another plus imo

[twilit hollow]

you can use mocopis as trackers but arent they bluetooth? wifi would be better imo

[shut sorrel]

Also like, 50+ milliseconds in delay...

[twilit hollow]

i wouldn't know, never tried em! aiming for slimes once i save up. but first, replacing my water damaged keyboard

[ruby needle]

50ms for fbt trackers is totally fine

[gleaming abyss]

I’ve got a question! I’ve got an avatar that I’m using right now (found in search world), but I’d like to customize it! I’d love to repaint it and maybe give it some clothes. I’ve done something similar before. Can anyone direct me to a guide or something?

[ember tundra]

You can only do this by purchasing the model if it’s for sale anywhere

[shut sorrel]

You'd have to buy the avatar base and get it retextured

[ember tundra]

You cannot rip it from the game itself to do so since that is against TOS and will get you banned

If it isn’t for sale, you could also ask the creator if they’d give you the files to do so

[gleaming abyss]

I’ve seen the same base available free to download.

[ember tundra]

Then that’s where you’ll be able to do so

[gleaming abyss]

That doesn’t mean I know how to use Blender or Unity though.

[ember tundra]

If you’re only using the textures, unity part should be quick. You just gotta take the textures out and into any art program of choice, edit, drag back in unity and if it’s pre-set up all you do is change the materials to that texture by dragging the edited picture into the texture slot

If it isn’t set up immediately, there’s a few basic uploading tutorials and I’m sure #avatar-help will be more than happy to assist

[gleaming abyss]

Thank you! I already getting overwhelmed reading all those words! I know I said I did something similar before, but let’s call that “mission failed successfully!”

[ember tundra]

XD just check all the folders in Unity to make sure / see if it has a pre-set save or prefab! People usually miss them

Good luck!

[gleaming abyss]

Thanks!

[ember tundra]

Anytime!

[celest jolt]

HAI BIP

[ember tundra]

Hai

[celest jolt]

I would im currently driving tho

[vocal shard]

i gothca! later then?

[shut sorrel]

Hi from Gen1 👋

[sharp saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-irken-invasion-spaceship-gif-11283917741538566132

[celest jolt]

Maybe

[vocal shard]

okay

[hallow zenith]

Fish

[livid sorrel]

I wanted to ask, European VrChat experiance is essentially 70% Chinese servers, 10% Russian servers, 10% American and the rest is miscellaneous. How do i get to more American/English speaking servers?

[stray temple]

Check #1204490664637890580 maybe

[livid sorrel]

Didn't know those exist, thank you ❤️

[bronze scroll]

We need to region lock china

[livid sorrel]

I just want a way to filter them.

[mighty root]

What

[vocal shard]

[naive glacier]

If you can, I think you should just create a new one

[ember tundra]

What

[fleet parrot]

[wind warren]

is there a reason why someone's Avi takes too long to load?
like their loading bar just gets stuck

[jade quarry]

#announcements message

[wind warren]

Oh they fixed it?

[static forge]

I'm cleaning out my disk and found I have a lot of storage taken up by VRChat photos. A loooooot. 150GB hehe.

[pine garden]

DAYUM....150g of just photos thats insane

[dry wraith]

How many photos is that?

[sharp saddle]

Definitely more than 1.

[dry wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-stare-what-slow-turn-turn-gif-22154490

[faint geyser]

If you also take in like 4K or higher resolution than that, the storage will also get filled up quick like hot cakes

[sharp saddle]

You're welcome!

[normal bear]

where's the button in the settings for disabling auto conversion of dynamic bones to physbones? I feel like i'm having a brain aneurism looking for it x.x

[sharp saddle]

So you want dynamic bones...?

[jovial shale]

Anyone want to hang out on vrchat?

[karmic rose]

Some avatars still do not convert correctly so there is value in disabling the conversion

[static forge]

Yupp, these are in 8K since January

[faint geyser]

[static forge]

Yeeee... I will probably at some point filter through them and just keep the best ones. I cleared off a ton of stuff already making sure I'd have enough space to backup stuff before an OS reinstall

[dry wraith]

PC players turning to look at you when you call their name.

[static forge]

Everybody gangsta till the hand puppet menu comes out

[rose juniper]

CS:GO with default mouse settings

[dry wraith]

😆 👍

[faint geyser]

Instant flicks

[faint geyser]

Yep, good call

[signal creek]

hi

[fickle bobcat]

Question for anyone who knows, my vrc says “get age verified” but idk how to proceed from there? I click it and it doesn’t do anything. Anyone know what to do?

[uneven shadow]

is the servers kinda cooked rn? my friends cant join me and people are appearing offline

[dusky bay]

Vrc 8k camera enjoyer

[ornate cobalt]

Rookie numbers

[gilded marsh]

Hey this is off topic but does anyone know if there are going to be new years Eve events ?

[ruby needle]

For sure there is going to be a lot of them.

[gilded marsh]

Do you know any specific worlds

[faint geyser]

They will have their own section when you check on your World tab when that time comes close

[dry wraith]

Putting on your VR headset to play VRC be like....

https://tenor.com/view/nether-portal-gif-9997985

[bitter bone]

Sometimes it feels like plunging your head straight into a pool

So stimulating to put on an active HMD

[merry birch]

Hello everyone

[plucky zinc]

Hello

Is anyone else here a horror fan,

[umbral halo]

when changing avatars why does vrchat now load slower and state "server processing"?

[hardy slate]

Hi everyone! ^^ (disappears)

Oh

[hardy slate]

Why is that so accurate 💀

[dry wraith]

I was just getting ready for work this morning, when I remembered someone describing the Nether as being like hell, and made the connection to VRC.

[faint geyser]

If that avatar has never been scanned by the avatar security system that this game implemented, then yeah, it'd take a while

[severe patio]

anyone elses height bugged?

[tame willow]

hi！~

[ember tundra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/888419439660396594/1033423617217802300/1666255569068081.gif

[sharp wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-yoyo-white-cat-munch-cute-gif-309179445092426552

[ember tundra]

Excellent

[vocal shard]

https://tenor.com/view/dust-sans-dusttale-undertale-sans-gif-19427788

[iron wedge]

15 to $20 to age verify

[jade shoal]

Fe

Fr

[simple sapphire]

hiiiiiiiiii x2

[wind imp]

I love being just a Lil alien cat and makin some heckin COFFEE

[quick crypt]

Hello guys

[vocal shard]

do people who mod or moniter servers actually get paid?

[ember tundra]

In some servers, probably

Or at least given something for their work

[jade quarry]

13 cans of tuna

[vocal shard]

😭

was just wondering, was like my first time yesterday playing, and heard someone in training getting told to clock out

[jade quarry]

Probably an RP group like a bar thing idk I know some communities have discords where they keep track of your time in the group to stay active

[ornate cobalt]

Well blackrat still hasn't been able to buy pants yet so I doubt it

[ember tundra]

Pants are for losers

[vocal shard]

real

[celest jolt]

Yoo

[bitter bone]

Ghost ping from vrc general 2 🤔

[bitter bone]

I’ve never heard of moderators getting paid but I’m aware that some clubs pay their dancers and stuff 👌

Source: someone wanted to hire my gf as a paid dancer a few years ago lmao

[vocal shard]

whaat? thats sick, whats the pay like? i dont even have a headset im just curious 💀

[dry wraith]

Yo, what happened to Kmart? I can't find it on the search.

[sharp saddle]

The event happened. 👀

[dry wraith]

Like a- good event?

[sharp saddle]

I wish it was a good event.

[dry wraith]

Oh no.... What happened?

[sharp saddle]

I'll explain via DM.

[dry wraith]

Alright.

[twin star]

Yall how do i skip the hand tracking tutorial with the little white hand showing me signs, its in the way and impossible to complete🥲

[hallow zenith]

Dmca

[vocal shard]

@twin star are you sure it's the tutorial and not the assistant? There's a setting that keeps the white hands there and shows you all of the icons until you turn it off

[lucid rampart]

K-Mart is still operating in a capacity to DMCA things?!

Dawg if you can DMCA a VRChat then reopen near my house again dawg

[ember tundra]

They’re web based

[lucid rampart]

that makes me so mad i used to have a physical location near me when i was little

[ember tundra]

Same

[silent dust]

Hey all, looking into my first headset, heard the quest 3 is good but the vive xr elite has an attachment for eye and face tracking

What's recommended?

[bitter bone]

I think vive is usually never recommended, but I personally have no experience to know why

[broken plover]

Vive fell off after vive pro
Also heard their face tracking on current headsets isn’t the best

[acoustic fable]

vive pro eye on top

[vocal shard]

Quest 3 is better overall value.

XR Elite does have the face tracking add on, but it’s more limited than the old Vive face tracker, or even quest pro face tracker.

As well, XR Elite has smaller FOV than Q3, worse tracking, and an awkward fit for some with the face gasket not being big enough

[silent dust]

Thanks! I've also been told to look into eyetrackvr (they have pre built solutions apparently_ and project babble

[vocal shard]

Yeah those are good. I’ve been tinkering with eyetrackvr and babble. The Eyetrackvr kit is just for the ir emitters and control boards. You still need to buy the cameras and assemble it yourself, but it’s a lot easier with the kit for the IR emitters since there’s no soldering and you don’t risk buying the wrong ones.

Babble now has a full prebuilt mouth tracker that you can buy

[silent dust]

Ahhh the babbel store is all sold out

[bitter bone]

babble's mouth tracker is cheap af, but given that alone, it's gonna be out of stock for an entire year straight I'm sure

[vocal shard]

It’s pretty much just an off the shelf controller and a camera that you can get on AliExpress.

[shut sorrel]

Or Amazon

You'll also want SOMETHING to illuminate the bottom half of your face or else the tracking is awful

[vocal shard]

True

[silent dust]

Always wanted to start messing around with open source electronics

Sounds fun tbh!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAjWE_PuHAU

This test is using an ESP32 Cam with a 120 Degree OV2640 lens and 2 ETVR V3 LEDs.

[untold tendon]

Hey

[bitter bone]

So I guess I'll wait for the babble v2 that has a flashlight or like night vision or something lol

I've got a friend who wants to send his mouth tracker but I'm afraid of not having eye tracking and looking like those android heads that can only animate half their face at one time 😬

Also, he tried to sell it to me by mentioning "you can stick out your tongue with mouth tracking!" and now I've realized my avatar has a TONGUE TEXTURE and I am so upset. I can't make myself an entire tongue, yo!

[idle gazelle]

Who can I talk to that can help me get my password back and my email cuz I forgot them and I need them back so I can get back into VR chat

[sharp saddle]

Jamieeee.

[bitter bone]

?

[sharp saddle]

Have you considered using #1138891887374237706 for all the weird questions you keep having?

[twin star]

Well its like showing me what to do but it disappeared when i closed the game while using hand tracking and getting back on, hopefully it stays gone 💀
Its showing me how to open the menu and all sorts of things, its in front of my own hands and dont follow my hands so i just assumed it was a tutorial

[twin star]

I was looking for it but i couldnt find it lol😭 thanks

[boreal oxide]

Couldn’t you just do the same with the Vive face tracker thing already?

[wind imp]

I didn't know there was a chat box! I am too anxious to talk out loud and that would've saved me so much confusion lol

[tropic turret]

Anyone know if the motion tracking straps work for meta quest 2

like the ones with the three nubs

also anyone got a good hunk skin for vr?

[vocal shard]

real 😭 had no clue either

[vocal shard]

questionnn, is the vr chat subscription worth it for someone without a vr headset?

[stray temple]

Check benefit and think what you would use.
https://wiki.vrchat.com/wiki/VRChat%2B

(It's worse to me at least)

[vocal shard]

thank youu!! ill lookinto it!

[snow elm]

Either im tripping out or I cant even load into my home world without getting kicked out of the app just being on vrchat less than 2 minutes being on

🥲💅

[wanton granite]

Vrchat plus especially for a year is nice but I still feel like we don’t get enough stickers or emojis and could use more avatar space as well I mean the stickers and emojis we can only get 9 of them but Vrchats default stickers ther are only 9 and we get 9 but for the emojis vrchat 8 category’s for them and they each get 9 so they get 72 emojis that are vrchats default we get only 9 of our own Ik not everyone really cares about it but gotta at least think about it

[stray temple]

you know....start with small, expand later be easier than do from start.....also possibly find bug on the way too.

[dry wraith]

Anyone going to throw an open VRC Christmas Party?

[stray nimbus]

we could, it'd be 21+

[bitter bone]

lmao someone asking for an nsfw server in chat?

[stray nimbus]

dont take my word for it though : )

[bitter bone]

Man people be gettin brave lately

[stray nimbus]

feens fr xD

[dry wraith]

Well sure I wouldn't mind it being adults only, but not with the intention of making it NSFW, just so we can celebrate in the same age group.

[bitter bone]

nah it's probably because people always wanna drink for new years

And you wouldn't want people to be celebrating and drinking and not confirm they're allowed to be

[dry wraith]

Righto.

[stray nimbus]

lol that would ruin the fun yk.. make it exclusively to adults

then anythin could happen : D

[dry wraith]

But where could one spread the word of such a celebration in VRC? Hmmm.

[stray nimbus]

i was just gonna use ppl i know

as a foundation

some pillars of the vrc community

Virtrol could help for sure

[dry wraith]

That's a good start, if we have just a few people to that can get a few people, it wouldn't take long until we have a lobby full.

I think those things together would be enough.

[stray nimbus]

you have an estimate on how many you'd want?

[dry wraith]

Ideally I would picture it being a "Party House near capacity. You know that one world with the big house for parties. That's what I'd imagine.

I presented the idea to see what the community would have in mind. I don't plan on hosting this, this year at least. I'm still pretty to VRC and haven't made many friends. I also have plans and work planned out all week next week so I wouldn't be able to do this either way. Nevertheless I appreciate your show in interest for the idea.

[stray nimbus]

ohh noo worries at all!!

i enjoyed the idea as well, i will keep that in mind for the future as well

[dry wraith]

Hey, the idea certainly could work in the future, we'll see.

[stray nimbus]

yess.. Ping me ina year! xD

[sleek owl]

mmmmmm.... told myself I'd get an actual avatar this month

still haven't gotten one

[dry wraith]

Good, save your money.

[sleek owl]

👁️

nah

need suggestions on where I should get a custom avi

[sharp saddle]

VRC Traders.

[devout tangle]

if anyone dms you offering to make one bc of this message theyre a scammer

#1204506421631393913 message commission ppl with the authorized role here

[rancid hamlet]

If you're awake let say hi let make a fun here 🍾🍹🥰

[hexed shale]

Bro what

[surreal mantle]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYqMre87/

[boreal timber]

Wsggggggg

[sleek owl]

I got 3

[pearl steppe]

Guys I know a friend who have a problem at installing an avatar for quest and the avatar is only installed for pc, is there a way to fix this and make it for quest too?

[finite crystal]

#avatar-help

[spark olive]

skittles

[spark olive]

just chillin, maybe bouta take nap

i only had like 5 hours of sleep

hry?

[junior sluice]

"Only 5 hours" i wish I got that much sleep

[jade quarry]

This person is a commission scammer btw. Not you I’m replying to but the kitt person

[spark olive]

oh?

[spark olive]

i don’t usually get 5

[junior sluice]

Consider me jealous if you typically get more lol.

[spark olive]

🤷‍♂️

[junior sluice]

Indeed.

[spark olive]

alright ima go, cya

[young echo]

you get sleep?

Im running off exclusively energy drinks rn

[spark olive]

nah me gon get nap

[junior sluice]

You and me both

[timber spruce]

IF your discord dms got leaked. From 1 / 10 how cooked are you?

[young echo]

the most that youd get out of the leak is avatar files from an avatar Im working on for a friend

[west wigeon]

yall get sleep

I run off of 3 hours at a time

[young echo]

I didnt get sleep in 2 days

[stone edge]

In a few days, I’m getting a quest 3 or pico 4 ultra which one is better? Would love some input from you guys.! thank you so much. Have a great Christmas.

[young echo]

just go for a 3s

price of a quest 2 with the power of a quest 3

[stone edge]

Why not the quest 3

[young echo]

more expensive

not that great of a battery life

[stone edge]

Is the quest 3S better than

[young echo]

it has the power of the quest 3 but slightly lower visual that is miniscule enough to not even be a negative

its also the price of a quest 2

[stone edge]

Okay thanks

[sleek owl]

(get a head strap too)

[stone edge]

What head strap should I get

[sleek owl]

try to shoot for one with a swappable battery

(and make sure the batteries themselves are purchasable so you can get more than 1)

[stone edge]

Okay, thank you snowy

[young echo]

just get a headstrap with a battery pouch so you can just get the portable batteries separate

[stone edge]

Are you a dev for VR chat?

[young echo]

no?

Im too stupid for that

[stone edge]

Oh ok

[sleek owl]

so real

[stone edge]

But yeah I get quest 3S

Or quest3 better visuals

I have good money, so yeah

[young echo]

the difference is miniscule and you wont even see it if its standalone

[stone edge]

How’s the microphone on it?

[young echo]

pretty much the same

[stone edge]

Okay

[bitter bone]

What the hell did I just read 😂

[stone edge]

Dev is short for developer

[bitter bone]

Oh thanks, that’s definitely why I was confused

[devout tangle]

theres like. maybe half a dev here

[pseudo knot]

it's me, i'm the half dev

[devout tangle]

woa

[vocal shard]

well i have 0.00 cent🗣️

[wary raft]

I got $0.23😎

On cashapp😎

[bitter bone]

I’ve got another month’s worth of rent at best

[vocal shard]

so real

after this month its do or die

[devout tangle]

shut up

die

[vocal shard]

I don't even have a cash app but I have a piggy bank and I've got 1.35 in there lol

[coral sonnet]

Piggy bank me $30,000 USD 🥺

[vocal shard]

Ma'am I hope you know I'm so broke I literally been collecting money for 2 months and 1.35 is all I found those past 2 months.

[sharp wolf]

In 2 months? Thats crazy luck ngl

I usually find 1 penny every 4 years

[vocal shard]

My mom and dad lose a lot of change around the house and yard

[vocal shard]

Damn

[sharp wolf]

Its like a passive

Because its usually every 4 years

[vocal shard]

Real, also it's like 3:40AM rn for me imma go to bed, goodnight chat

[jolly sonnet]

Uhh

[bitter bone]

The Leap-Penny might be one of the worst superpowers I’ve ever heard of

[sharp wolf]

Its amazing what do you mean

[silent dust]

Soz

[vocal shard]

anyone wanna hang

[hasty gust]

What's up gen 2 gang

[jolly sonnet]

Um

[sharp saddle]

Umm.

[sharp wolf]

Ummm

[bitter bone]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kisser-gif-5286009686902858342

[verbal cosmos]

Waw

[vocal shard]

Just downloaded VRchat for the first time :3

[severe dew]

wawwwwwawawaaw

[dry wraith]

is this a good place to invite people to my instance?

[jovial shale]

Anyone want to hang out on vrchat