android-discussion

[waxen yew]

And you just did reply to a previously ended convo which you were never in.
Who is it really that should keep their opinions to themselves?

[hybrid tendon]

Damn..

[eternal bay]

idk I don’t like people being mean to friends

[waxen yew]

Then you may want to talk to your friend Artemus and tell them to stop being condescending to new players.
Instead of jumping on a fear based reaction try paying attention to what everyone said here.

If you think I'm mean because I implied them to show respect, then you aren't their friend, you're their cultist.

[mint basin]

[eternal bay]

Fuck yeah I’m a cultist

[mint basin]

wtf is happening

[waxen yew]

Just another word for unthinking simp

[eternal bay]

hi orange car

[waxen yew]

🤷

[eternal bay]

Just saying it seems like you’re bating people for a reaction

ending it there for now

I’m tired

[waxen yew]

You're welcome to think whatever you'd like. You're the one who pinged me to shut up.
Be careful.

[eternal bay]

I’m watching my back

[mint basin]

trying to help people is overrated

[eternal bay]

exactly

just don’t help. Saves yourself from getting a snarky answer in return

[waxen yew]

I said basically the exact opposite of that to Artemus 😉
Don't give snarky answers when trying to 'help' others ✌️👽

[mint basin]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-boulder-gif-2070033727135676437

[eternal bay]

I recall I know that 👽 guy. Nice lad

[mint basin]

this is also a great reminder why you should never step foot in this channel ever

the weirdest motherfuckers lurk here

[lilac delta]

i agree xD so many weirdo's and i love it xD

[half tapir]

i can make throwaway accounts even easier with outlook. Supports creation of multiple email adresses in the same account

like just type in a email adress i want and done, its created

no setup of new account required

[waxen yew]

I know. The current implementation of email support sucks and is pointless.
So besides me complaining what can be done about it?

[half tapir]

so yeah the throwaway account reasoning doesnt really hold much

unfortunately nothing, i use proton too. Though i use a outlook adress for vrchat instead and just forward everything from outlook to proton mail

[waxen yew]

I've become a pretty big fan of proton and the level of security and support they provide. Find a problem with your Gmail account and you will never get it fixed. Proton solves bugs over the weekend and gets back with detailed reports.
If webVR takes off with Mozilla and VRC doesn't fix this broken crap then they may not want to bother continuing Android development.

[half tapir]

yeah proton nice, now even soon a desktop app

[waxen yew]

Just checked that post today.
I prefer web apps but more support never hurts.

[half tapir]

though i kinda already have this since i installed the proton app via WSA on my pc

[waxen yew]

I don't understand the purpose of a desktop email client. They're usually bulkier than just using a web interface with plugins to limit scripts.
Same with mobile apps; 99% of these are just reskinned web broesers.

[half tapir]

notifications

[waxen yew]

All modern browsers have notifications built in to them. Store a cookie and click yes when it prompts you to accept notifications and it works using built in GUI notifications. Best method for Linux users when desktop apps fail to function regularly.

[half tapir]

that never has worked for me unfortunately

the second i close the browser it cuts off all notifications until i open it again

[waxen yew]

Browser notifications work even on mobile at least using Firefox.
If your browser is set to wipe cookies then yes, it will make you log in, and yes, the browser needs to stay running at all times in the background just like your desktop app will already be doing anyway.

[half tapir]

i dont have it set to wipe cookies

but no on mobile for me it never worked

neither on pc

i use firefox

[waxen yew]

Most browsers do some type of cookie limiting lately for security reasons. You would need to whitelist as well if you didn't change any browser history to clear.
I'm also not sure what to tell you except 99/100 times pebkac

[half tapir]

only way of having any browser notifications to work is using chrome for it

[waxen yew]

Nope. I use Firefox for all my notifications on mobile except discord and one game.

[half tapir]

i have a fedi account which i use in browser and i have notifications registered in chrome for it.

but that also only works on mobile for me

[waxen yew]

Again. Pebkac.
I'm sure you'd figure it out if you cared enough.

[half tapir]

Pebkac?

[waxen yew]

Problem exists between the keyboard and chair: user error.

Your problems are probably your own fault.

[half tapir]

Not sure what i should do to have it worked, i already whitelisted firefox in battery optimization settings and do not clear any browser data automatically

[waxen yew]

Lotta people make use of browsers for notifs. That it doesn't work for you shows an edge case or user issue beyond my desire to fix right now.

[half tapir]

actually i have other apps too that simply do not get notifications very often if at all

some of my modded apps also have issues with notifications

[waxen yew]

Did you know that computers are complex and nuanced machines with millions of different operations happening at any given time? Sometimes things break.
Try again. If it doesn't work, check your connections and look for lost packets. If that doesn't work, find a different solution.

[half tapir]

firefox only gets them if open, other apps sometimes just receive all notifcations if i connect to wifi. Then suddenly they flood all in

but then i dont get notifications from these apps for days again

[waxen yew]

I'ma go now though, I didn't really join here to discuss tech issues for stuff outside of VRC. I'm not a dev here and I doubt they could pay me enough to fix what's broken here. I'm just here to play games and find cool worlds, my guy.

✌️👽

[half tapir]

personally i think its rather an issue with my phone

it probably still eliminates background processes

really messy this whole thing for me. Most apps work fine, then there are some outliers that just refuse to properly work no matter what. Whitelisting them in system from battery optimization doesnt work for these then either. And after recent system update it got even worse

[waxen yew]

Has anyone here spent serious time exploring the Library of Babel in VRC?

[fluid pewter]

'

[solemn ibex]

''

[eternal bay]

“‘

[scenic kayak]

Where can I report bugs to Android devs them self

oops, wrong server multiple servers with ANdroid general

[lost vault]

I don't get any notifications or invites in-game. Help

[nova ravine]

Another glitch?
So when I turn on the game, it asks me to log in every time

Also we need controller support

[proud creek]

Was that not already a feature?

[lusty sun]

Is anyone on android 14?
My vrchat is stuck at this screen ever since i updated to android 14

[naive bluff]

What phone?

[nova ravine]

Okay for once I need a little bit of help. So I'm trying to log my mom into her VR chat account on her phone but it goes through steam but the email Is my email but it's her steam account technically. The way I have it set up is going through me so in case you forgets information but that's beside the point.

So I tried to do that on here but for some weird reason when I tried to log in it came up saying it was a new account even though I've logged into it before so what am I doing wrong?

[nova ravine]

Figured it out in the dumbest way possible

[vivid solar]

Still crash

[naive bluff]

What phone do you have?

[vivid solar]

Poco f3 gt Chinese version

[naive bluff]

6 or 8GB?

[vivid solar]

8G

[naive bluff]

Mkay.

[vivid solar]

does root coz the crash？

[naive bluff]

Probably?

When is it crashing exactly?

[vivid solar]

warzone Mobile also detect root but I hide so well

[chrome lichen]

im playing vrchat on pc

[vivid solar]

just crash，even I didn't touch anything

[naive bluff]

You're in the wrong channel.

[naive bluff]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[vivid solar]

already reported

[naive bluff]

Awesome.

Where's your thread?

[nova ravine]

OK so I wanted to see what everything looked like but now I can't figure out why I'm seeing a fallback avi instead of the bunny I picked for my mom's account. What do I do to fix this? I'm on mobile and I have my mom on her laptop

[naive bluff]

Is the avatar Very Poor?

[nova ravine]

how do I check that again?

I also checked another and it works

[naive bluff]

Open the avatar menu, click your avatar, view stats.

[nova ravine]

but this rabbit one doesn't. It goes to a fallback

[naive bluff]

Android has V Poor blocked completely, just FYI.

[nova ravine]

lame

[naive bluff]

Not really.

It's actually a smart move.

[nova ravine]

how do I change that setting again?

[naive bluff]

Change what setting?

[nova ravine]

I know there's a setting on PC for different quality or something

[naive bluff]

Graphics quality...?

[nova ravine]

maybe? I dont remember

[naive bluff]

Guessing you've never touched Quest.

[nova ravine]

No I have but I've not run into this issue

phone is at 17% so I'm gonna charge it

[naive bluff]

Alright.

[nova ravine]

my phone's battery is garbage

I can get it changed out but......
It's 80.

[naive bluff]

Gonna be worse running VRC.

[nova ravine]

Well I've not had the chance to do too much on my phone with VRC right now. I'm testing out different features.

[vivid solar]

not this one？

[naive bluff]

That's a support ticket.

I linked you to the feedback board to report the crash issue.

[vivid solar]

What is the build number? I can't even login to get that in setting

[vivid solar]

Crashing so fast

I guess is 938970?

Submitted

[naive bluff]

It would likely be the same version as the main game, which is... 1390.

[naive bluff]

That's the APK package ID.

The build ID is 1390.

[vivid solar]

Edited

I really tried everything, Redownload,clear all data.

[naive bluff]

I would definitely add more detail to the post, like your phone brand and what you've tried.

[vivid solar]

Nothing shows. Just crash

[vivid solar]

I guess these should help

[thorny cipher]

are you able to change your bio on android or not?

[molten dirge]

Can't wait to try out the mobile version. Even with all of its limitations, it'll be nice to play VRchat without having to charge my Quest 2.

[half tapir]

They gotta get impostors working on it

Not fun to not being able to see friends avatars in any way or the 2D plane image of their avatars only lol

I don't have a single friend i usually can see their avatar on mobile lol

It's either default fallback or a static image of the avatar uploaded as custom fallback

[grim night]

I have not seen a single avatar that isn't a fall back yet

[nova ravine]

So I got my mother's account to work on her computer but for some reason when I use the same email on her phone it logs it in as if she's never had this account before? Does anybody know what I'm talking about

Okay so get this I figured it out but here's the dumbest way I did it. Usually you can log in with your Google account if it's already logged in on your phone right? What I did was is I typed in the email and the password that I sent for it and it worked. What is this logic?

[hybrid tendon]

What a post

[grim night]

Skrunkly

[shy breach]

Anyone else unable to download the beta on S23 Ultra?

[naive bluff]

Screenshot of the error?

[shy breach]

Just says on google play that the phone doesn't meet the requirements

its running Android 14 and has 12gb of ram

[raw verge]

must be an error on the play store side, i can run this on a s21 with same ram and os

[shy breach]

That’s what I had in mind as well because the first time months ago I ran it on a s10 LOL

[raw verge]

lol

[nova ravine]

Why is it showing fallback characters on Android even though I tell it to have no shield?

[unkempt nimbus]

because nobody can even optimize for PC, let alone android, so every avatar is very poor, also VRchat disallowed showing very poor on android entirely so yeah, you're SOL until people learn what a normal map is

[nova ravine]

Well I'm testing it out between my phone and my mother's phone and I'm able to see it on both ends but when I look on her phone I can't see my avatar properly it's the fallback version so I don't understand what's going on and why it was working yesterday and now it's not. I made sure that the avatars I use can be used between quest and PC.

[pearl mulch]

the Android version does not allow very poor Quest avatars to be shown

[nova ravine]

It worked previously.

ill look at the settings then

[river osprey]

I have something to tell you guys...

It's now on beta guys

[unkempt nimbus]

honestly I could've used this 4 years ago since well, not owning a quest kinda makes avatar testing impossible.

[lilac delta]

it worked months ago for a little while, it's been like this for a while now

[nova ravine]

It worked this week

[lilac delta]

was it a public avatar or your very onw?

[nova ravine]

public

I only own public

[lilac delta]

then it might got an update from the creator making it cross the very poor mark on quest. Sorry :c

[nova ravine]

possibly

[lyric prism]

AYY

[grim night]

its been in beta for a little bit now

[vale edge]

You were only able to wear VP on the launch build and it only showed for yourself, not others.

Currently the only way to see one is if you happen to glitch. There is a chance under certain circumstances that you may see/wear a VP but only you can see it and it would break joining another world or changing avatars.

Barring that, it may have been updated recently as mentioned already.

[dull brook]

Can you use any cheap mobile vr headset for vrchat on android?

Cus when you want to walk around in vrchat how will i do so when I got no controllers maybe I cant

[unkempt nimbus]

Just quest/pico

[dull brook]

Ah makes sense

[nova ravine]

Oh shit haven't seen you in a while.

I mean I'm talking about the ones you can go to Avatar worlds and stuff. Why wouldn't I be able to see those? I can see them on my quest

[grand zenith]

Quest can see very poor avatars via wearing and force showing, phone cant see them at all.

[nova ravine]

I'm able to see my own Avatar. So why wouldn't I?

[grand zenith]

You cant see your own avatar on the phone if it's very poor; it will just be an error bot.

[unreal compass]

so i can make a custom avatar on mobile now?

[gaunt palm]

S23 base, I can install and update it

[naive bluff]

Not on mobile, but you can upload to VRC normally via your PC.

[unreal compass]

bruh... :/

[naive bluff]

How do you make shit on mobile? o_O

[half tapir]

Vrchat on Quest mobile is basically just vrchat Lite edition. Can't expect full feature access

[tardy wyvern]

How much memory does the app need to install?

[grizzled coral]

Pressumably you mean storage space and assuming the cache size isn't different you'd want the download size+20GB free.

[tardy wyvern]

Ah, okay, thank you!

[wary tartan]

Is their a way to change the point of view on mobile ?

[naive bluff]

Unless the world has a camera prefab, no.

[wary tartan]

🥸 third person would be nice

[naive bluff]

When not in VR, sure.

[wary tartan]

It's mobile , yes

😂 idk like a a behind the character kinda centered , idk maybe it's because I'm used to quest and having arms

Just feels like you could see the character for height and scale in mobile because it's just this empty screen unless you're at a mirrior

[river osprey]

I can't play the game guys
Whats the problem with this?

[unreal compass]

can you make a private world on mobile

or join one

[river osprey]

Merry Christmas @everyone

[naive bluff]

Yes, but it has to be joinable in the first place.

[unreal compass]

yeah, so how do you do that

[naive bluff]

Is this your first time using VRChat?

[brittle cypress]

You can but it has to be done from the in-game menu. The mobile UI does not have instance creation yet. We hope to get that done early next year.

[naive bluff]

Heyo Squiddly-Diddly. Merry Xmas/happy holidays!

[unreal compass]

oh

[unreal compass]

yeah

[brittle cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/kstr-kochstrasse-cat-xmas-christmas-gif-14389387

[lilac delta]

Merry Christmas 🎁🎄

[hybrid tendon]

CAT

[ivory elm]

finished mobile optimizing all my avis so i can play android, i like it right now! hopeful for when impostors start to become more popular, so everyone's very poor avatars start to show up

got Rem to 15000 polys, 1 mesh, and 1 material

[solemn ibex]

Will it take long for this to happen?

[ivory elm]

probably when they start doing it automatically, and it gets out of alpha

right now, its a hidden option on the website that avatar makers have to turn on for others to use

[solemn ibex]

I hope it works, because I wanted to see other people's skins

It's also use

[knotty snow]

How come no one can hear me on mobile? What did they change with the beta? The alpha worked just fine....

[nova ravine]

Do you guys have any idea why this is happening? Is this a new bug we found?

[fallen bluff]

It's possible.

[wraith tinsel]

what requirements does the game have?

[naive bluff]

Uh.... Android 10 or above, 6GB RAM minimum, and enough storage to hold cache.

[wraith tinsel]

what about processor or something?

[naive bluff]

Uhhh... well, the Quest is running on a mobile processor, so anything better than a 855 I guess.

[weary holly]

Hey I have a question my phone is an android 12 but it a TCL Stylus and it saids it's not compatible? Is there a bug or something because I need help with this

[naive bluff]

TCL Stylus 5G?

[weary holly]

Yes

[naive bluff]

4GB of RAM, not enough.

[weary holly]

Ah that makes sense

Thanks for the help

[naive bluff]

No problem!

[steep jacinth]

Can someone help me find the code please

[native igloo]

go to their patreon website and find out.
(maybe paywalled)

[steep jacinth]

Ok

[west dawn]

Is anyone else so upset because the settings don't let you see poor quality avatars and you are now supposed to play with fallbacks?

Like I don't care if my phone crashes, I want to see them...

[west dawn]

I read that already

It's not fair to have them on other platforms but turn off on mobile..

[native igloo]

build 10 times more performant cpu into mid-range phone without price difference.
then you got it at end.....
(maybe in 5 years...market may changed)

[west dawn]

I don't understand what you are saying

[native igloo]

basically,
"make 10 times more performant chip than SnapDragon XR2 and put that on to all mid range phone without price increase yourself"
then....you take full market and standard of phone market changed and then we can start thinking to do something on it.
(which is not realistic for general public but innovation be happen sometimes in the feature)

[west dawn]

Ok.

[native igloo]

but yeah, some people like qualcomm and apple did this before so no surprise if it's you. xd

[fiery harness]

It's so hard to find an avatar. Now. You have to look and look and look so much. You have to find so many avatar worlds so that you can find any. Do you guys have any advice on what avatar world I can get?

[vale edge]

My favorite part is not being able to wear avatars that have impostors generated.... When I saw that I went and deleted all my generated impostors as they have no value to me if I can't even use them. They looked horrifically bad anyways.

I've all but given up on the mobile version tbh. 99% of the time it's the same handful of fallbacks and that's it. Having to explain to everyone why I can't see their quest avatar is annoying. Every pedestal not working makes exploring avatar worlds annoying. Meanwhile I'm locked at 60fps with all these useless safety features since everyone is the same fallback anyways.

[half tapir]

yeah playing it is just awful lmao

i just use it now to test worlds

and its kinda a VRCX on mobile now

[vale edge]

Basically

[half tapir]

Most useful thing in the app

[vale edge]

Yeah. That's all I really use it for anymore.

[hybrid tendon]

Hi~

[naive bluff]

No need to be an ass.

[reef wyvern]

Yeah, you can rant, but don't insult people.
There is probably deep technical details that we don't know about regarding compatibility and stuff behind this. And hopefully they will get better with time.
Remember that the pc version menus was a mess a few months ago and is only getting better with time.
So lets wait and keep giving feedback

sigh

[warm crane]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[reef wyvern]

nevermind

Or that priorities are priorities. And that they don't have full capacity to resolve every single issue instanstly. I know that some long time issue take a looong time to fix but no need to be caricatural

[warm crane]

idk

[reef wyvern]

like, all the issues sent to https://feedback.vrchat.com you mean. Well, a lot

idk what to say

[warm crane]

You guys want a list of every Canny post I currently have waiting?

[reef wyvern]

Don't bother, if they don't want to listen

[warm crane]

haha ok then

I actually gotta update this. Some of these have been fixed.

[reef wyvern]

we could call mods on you for insults as well

[warm crane]

I dunno, I'm just as confused as you are.

lmao gotem

[reef wyvern]

yeah ...

they left ?

[warm crane]

Banned.

[reef wyvern]

lmao

[warm crane]

Who? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[reef wyvern]

[grim night]

What happened here

[reef wyvern]

Someone was just disrespectful and got banned

[grim night]

Lmao

[nova ravine]

Does anybody understand why the hell I can't use my earbuds? They're connected to my phone and I closed all other apps other than VR chat on my phone and no audio is going through my earbuds. What am I doing wrong?

[reef wyvern]

Have you verified that in vrchat the world audio was not at minimum ?

[nova ravine]

What do you mean?

[reef wyvern]

in vrchat you have an audio section where you can change world audio, avatar audio and voice audio.
Maybe your earbuds are connected but the world audio is at zero

[nova ravine]

No everything's up. I checked it and when I plugged it into an auxiliary cable it works just fine going through speakers like that but when I have it Bluetooth to my earbuds I don't hear anything from anybody. The first thing I'll hear is the little bit of ambient music when you're between worlds and that's it

[reef wyvern]

So between worlds it works, but in a world not. That sounded really like a world audio issue. But if not, i have no idea. Sorry

[brittle cypress]

Yeah there is some messed up audio stuff on the Unity end. Well hopefully have a patch out sometime in the new year that addresses a lot of it. Most of the audio issues we've seen involve Bluetooth devices, but there is a chance it could be affecting some aux setups as well depending on how the device handles aux. Keep an eye out to see if your issue is fixed with that patch.

[nova ravine]

:O
What do we pay you for squid?!

Oh btw, yall need to look into the game crashing any time you minimize the app. It straight up cuts connection

[brittle cypress]

Is there a canny? We're off work for another week. I'm just peeping in right now for the fun of it.

[nova ravine]

what is "canny"

[brittle cypress]

https://feedback.vrchat.com

[nova ravine]

OH!

Yeah I did a thing on the first one but I'll add the next one too

[brittle cypress]

Cannys get converted to internal tasks. So it's super important that things get reported there!

[nova ravine]

fair.

you know what would be pretty cool to see, I've never seen what a website looks like from a devs end

[brittle cypress]

Your issue likely will not be looked at or missed if it's only brought up on discord.

[nova ravine]

I did bring up the first one.

But you did remind me of another thing

I'm gonna post it there

https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/a-small-list

[brittle cypress]

There's a few layers to it! There's an internal view of the Canny feedback site where internal comments can be made and switches for task statuses can be flipped, but we don't actually use it for actual task tracking since canny isn't very good at that. When a canny is marked as "Tracked" that usually means that a separate task has been manually created on our internal software for actual task tracking that engineers use.

[nova ravine]

Did yall build yalls site from scratch or use something like wordpress?

[brittle cypress]

Dunno how into what internal software we use I'm allowed to get into, but it's a pretty standard tool for task tracking in software dev!

[nova ravine]

neat

Did you ever use Myspace?

[brittle cypress]

When I was in late middle school, haha

[nova ravine]

So you know how you could HTML the site up and stuff and customize that? I wanna bring that back but the purpose will be for dating. Completely free, but cosmetics is what will cost people. The site itself, talking to one another, all free. That's what I want to do.

I have a friend that may help. But I have no idea how to code even HTML

I can read a little python

[brittle cypress]

We need these to be separate canny reports to properly track things. This post might get removed or closed if it's multiple issues in a single canny.

[nova ravine]

alright, I was trying to make it simple but sure

[brittle cypress]

Because it's a list of things on a single report, the markers used for task status don't work.

[nova ravine]

🤔

[brittle cypress]

We wouldn't be able to mark it as "in-progress" or "complete" or "tracked" properly because that's a range of issues.

[nova ravine]

ah

So you basically mean it has to be 1 thing at a time to even be looked at, not like a list of ingredients.

[brittle cypress]

Yep, otherwise stuff gets real messy.

[nova ravine]

are yall able to filter by names on yalls end?

[brittle cypress]

Yep! But I don't use the internal canny view too much so I can't speak super confidently on what tools there are.

[nova ravine]

OH I realized that yall need to update the "platform" section on the feddback site, it only say PC, Quest, & Pico. We need android as well

[brittle cypress]

?

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[nova ravine]

WELL then

dope I did not know that existed

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/avatars
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/app-breaks-upon-minimizing-it
https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/more-input-support
https://feedback.vrchat.com/feature-requests/p/dex-mode-for-samsung-phones

I hope I didn't go overboard.

[brittle cypress]

Nope! This is perfect!

[nova ravine]

:)

[brittle cypress]

May take a while for it to get processed by someone after we are back to work since a big backlog builds up over the break.

We'll be playing catch up for the first week back, heh

[nova ravine]

I have a feeling that if I notice them others will asap

[brittle cypress]

But yeah, next steps is someone from QA will go through everything and get it all organized so it can be given an actual internal task and be ranked by priority.

[naive bluff]

Squiddy, you missed it.

[brittle cypress]

Wuzat?

[naive bluff]

Some dude was dunking on you(r team) and being a straight ass. Got banana'd though.

[brittle cypress]

Get dunked on

[nova ravine]

lol

[naive bluff]

Claiming to be an ARM developer and saying you guys're only getting around to doing it 'cause "it's profitable".

[brittle cypress]

You don't think I know our app is broken af atm? Gotta release somethin to go anywhere, heh. Only up from here.

[naive bluff]

'Xactly.

Dude had no chill.

I was even half-tempted to ping you to get your take on it, but then realized it'd be against the rules.

[brittle cypress]

I'd rather not engage in heated drama. Not great for me mentally anyways.

[naive bluff]

Ye.

[brittle cypress]

I think I know who you were talking about. I'm gonna double check.

[naive bluff]

Name was... Az or something.

With a bunch of Unicode chars.

[brittle cypress]

Ah yeah. Dude listed his ETH wallet address in his Discord bio so I wrote his attitude off pretty hard. I know his type.

[naive bluff]

Did he? Damn.

[brittle cypress]

Kind of hypocritical for anyone to blame anyone else of doing anything for profit when you list your crypto wallet in your bio ngl tho lmao.

[naive bluff]

I never bothered looking at their bio. Just seen them acting like an ass hat and called them out on it.

Called me a "bottom feeder".

I got a kick out of that.

[compact vapor]

Kinda hope in the future all avis can be visible

[naive bluff]

They already said they have no plans on unblocking V Poor.

People will just need to learn to optimize their shit.

[civic moon]

dissolve edge loops on fbx be like:

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[unkempt nimbus]

do you know this community? they can't even optimize for PC, what makes you think they're gonna learn how to optimize well enough for damn smartphones? it's gonna be all impostors/fallbacks from here on out.

[naive bluff]

Well, that'll be the meta then.

[civic moon]

blendshapes take up VRAM, so even things like the optimized "quest" version of the rexouium takes up like 30 mb vram alone

[half tapir]

Trello?

[brittle cypress]

Saying software names isn't gonna make me say something other than what I already said, heh.

[reef wyvern]

surprising

[civic moon]

when VRC+ isn't required anymore (for android) the gates of hell will break loose and there will be essentially no financial wall preventing absolutely anyone from playing VRChat (albiet in extremely limited fashion due to lack of enhanced periphirals)

The problem is appealing to android users of whom are completely barred from seeing Vpoor avis due to the considerations that people may be playing with old phones and a low framerate title will leave a bad impression on the review score.

(and people don't know how to optimize if they don't use blender at all)

[reef wyvern]

Haem ... It's already the case since a few weeks now. It's free to use

[civic moon]

oh

I don't visit publics anymore

[grizzled sonnet]

mine follows the operating requirements but is showing as incompatible

Does anyone know why this problem is occurring?

[grim night]

This has happened to a few people

[heady sparrow]

Why are you copy pasting this in every channel

[naive bluff]

Did you read the RAM requirement?

[grizzled sonnet]

Yes yes

[naive bluff]

And how much does your phone have?

(Also, is it a Samsung Galaxy S2X?)

[brittle cypress]

All I really have to say at present is that we are not currently interested in opening the very poor flood gates on mobile. It is not a consideration for only lower end phones.

[brittle cypress]

Yeah we've been seeing a few devices get flagged as incompatible for some reason. We'll be looking into what's happening when we're back to work. Sorry about that!

[proud creek]

The info for the channel description and #android-announcements still show requiring VRC+

[brittle cypress]

oop. I'll bring that up when we're back to work. Our social team are the ones with the power to change that. Don't believe I have the permissions.

Wrote it down on my notepad So i hopefully don't forget tho

[naive bluff]

When is everyone back in full force? Beginning of the year?

[brittle cypress]

Yep! Jan 2nd

[naive bluff]

Ooooh, nice.

[brittle cypress]

There will prolly be a bit of catch up and getting our footing again for the first week or two though.

[naive bluff]

Understandable.

[clear arrow]

Bored that’s why

[brittle cypress]

We kind of released this app into beta right before our jam week, followed by our break. So we haven't really had any time to react to any issues coming in. But we'll start to see everything improve with the new year.

Leaving it up for the last few weeks has generated quite the list of issues to look at, I'm sure. Haha.

[reef wyvern]

Have a good time with family time and all, can't wait for future updates when you all start to get back on track.

[grizzled sonnet]

Thanks

Has anyone stopped to test which is the weakest device the game runs on?

(just for science)

[reef wyvern]

i'd say android phone

[brittle cypress]

@solar cosmos please keep the stuff you post to the appropriate channels. This channel is for discussing the VRChat Android Beta. A better channel would be #vrchat-general-1 or #vrchat-general-2

[solemn ibex]

@brittle cypress are you still going to increase the polygons on Android, is it 10mb too?

[dry wharf]

Any plans on a dark mode UI?

Also happy holidays!

[grand zenith]

Its the same as quest

[fiery harness]

I know VR Chat lied about any avatar on Quest being available on mobile, but did they lie about any world on Quest being available on mobile or were they truthful?

[reef wyvern]

what ? ... and what ??

[dry wharf]

I dont think "lies" and "truths" are the right terms here lol

[reef wyvern]

yeah. Let's skip that part. Is your question about quest world compatibility on the android phone version of vrchat ?

[dry wharf]

They made it clear that very poor avatars arent shown

Nothing about quest worlds though, so they should still be accessible

[reef wyvern]

Worlds don't even have a performance rank, or not that i know of

[dry wharf]

Exactly

[grand zenith]

I do enjoy how people get so mad that VP is not on Android. But this sign has been on the perf ranks for years.

[naive bluff]

People don't read. They wanna assume everything is fair game then get mad and complain when they get hit with this roadblock.

[reef wyvern]

i wouldn't brag about it. There is a lot of stuff on the documentation that people just completely ignore.
For instance the tags for avatar and worlds that was there but never had a use. And by usage, especially pc users are so used to have verry poor that if from one day to another we afirm that no verry poor are allowed to be published anymore, it'll be apocalypse

[unkempt nimbus]

hot take: VRchat should just remove very poor from quest/pico and make impostor generation automatic.

[grand zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[reef wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-laugh-laughing-i-cant-read-book-gif-17894333

[reef wyvern]

Generating the imposters is probably a waste of compute as a lot of avatars aren't even used that much or shared/view by android users.
But in fact, probably yeah.

[unkempt nimbus]

could automate it by gathering how often an avatar is used/viewed for every avatar for about a month before turning on auto impostor generation to get the important ones out of the way first, maybe even have it so being used/viewed is what triggers an avatar to be auto generated for the first while, before it's automated from upload, with avatars that were never used just not getting impostors.

[reef wyvern]

we get a little out of topic but to be quick, i mean that it requires vrchat a huge load (i think) of servers to build an imposter as it required 3D software, even if automated, while avatars are built on people's PCs. That's why a universal automatic build wasn't good IMO.

[half tapir]

Second is already planned

[formal wagon]

Anyone have issues loggin on on the Android client to their account? I verified both email and password used to log in to the home website but on the mobile app those same credentials are failing

[west dawn]

That happens on every platform + web

[formal wagon]

Is there a fix action or am I just SOOL? I just tried changing my password via mobile with no success on logging in to the app, but the website I can still log into.

[nova ravine]

Now Switch :^)

[wet sorrel]

@naive bluff please teach us how then

[naive bluff]

Teach what? 👀

[wet sorrel]

Optimization

[naive bluff]

I don't know how to optimize, don't make avatars. (I assume you're gonna call me a hypocrite but I was simply stating the obvious.)

There are tutorials that can teach you how to remove unnecessary items that can improve optimization.

That or pay someone to do it for you.

[wet sorrel]

I'm still learning Unity myself, and can make some avi Android compatible. Just trying to learn more

[wet sorrel]

I do find ridiculous is that the Preview for the Android side can be seen, but only the Imposter or Fallback can be used in placed of the very poor avatar while I use the avatar.

I thought Android mobile would be a great tester for Android avatars. I wonder what will happen for iPhone.

[heady sparrow]

Same thing probably

[heady sparrow]

The preview was probably overlooked

Optimizing would involve cutting back what the sdk is telling you

[wet sorrel]

I would still like to be able test my avatar on the Android side in the meantime. August was the beginning of this possibility. Maybe give those of us a prompt of understanding the risk and the option. I tested this in an MMD world during the 1st install.

This is the start back in August, but only I could see it back then for mobile. I had the friend make my own version. It is the imposter of my own avatar in blue.

So it is possible to have phone user to be given the option to view the avatar. I have been using the same Samsung Galaxy A52 the whole time.

[naive bluff]

They said they're not allowing Very Poor on the app.

[wet sorrel]

And we can make suggestions

[heady sparrow]

Very poor will also be removed from quest as well

[dry wharf]

#quest-optimization

probably a good place to start for learning how to optimize avatars

[vagrant orchid]

Wait really? I never heard of this

[wet sorrel]

It says may, not will, and it mentions Oculus Quest, not Meta Quest. So hasn't been updated to say will be removing. It is like Recommended mean optional but suggested, not mandatory.

[vagrant orchid]

If they do they should make it a toggle for those you want it or not

[wet sorrel]

That is my suggestion. It took a few months for them to prevent more, "Your system ran out of memory, being sent back home" message for Quest users.

It took sometime for the content gating system, that ChilloutVR already had in place when I check it out back in August 2022.

[vagrant orchid]

But if they plan to remove them entirely atleast give developers a notice of when to make changes to their avatars, like a deadline

But even then I doubt they will end up removing them because most avatars already are very poor

[wet sorrel]

I will like a deadline too. I still have one SDK 2.0 avatar uploaded and imposter worked on it.

Only thing broken since IK2.0 is the mirrors and cameras not displaying actions

[vagrant orchid]

Or they can also just remove the function of uploading very poor avatars and leave the ones that are already on the site

I can't even use android without it crashing whenever it goes into landscape so I have no idea

[wet sorrel]

The only issue is if you want to update that avatar

[vagrant orchid]

I rarely use the mobile version only just to check who's online

[wet sorrel]

The microphone works wonderful compared to the Alpha stage

I got to test it on others' streams, and reviewed their vods. So that is how I knew what did and didn't work.

Only one friend mentioned that their audio crashes, and they are using Samsung Galaxy A54.

They sent their reports.

[grand zenith]

Imo, the quest version should have been hard capped on all its perf ranks this whole time.

I have no idea why you can shader swap a PC avatar and call it a day.
I don't blame the people buying the content, I 100% blame the people making the bases for being lazy.

[wet sorrel]

Some of the bases are PC only. Majority of the time, you got reduce it down to make Android compatible

[unkempt nimbus]

this, if an avatar is less than 70k polys and isn't marketed as quest compatible, that's not on them, that's 100% on the person lazily shader swapping.

[grizzled sonnet]

Have issues regarding the compatibility of some devices been resolved?

[grizzled coral]

The VRC team is on holiday break until the 2nd of January.

[river osprey]

Happy new year @everyone

https://tenor.com/view/ebriwan-manny-pacquaio-gif-21775027

[frozen island]

Quick question, not an important one but just weird: Any clue why VRC mobile only works on my pixel and not my Samsung flip now? However, it did work on my Samsung flip during the VRC+ Alpha. Once it went to beta however, it stopped working on my flip and only works on my pixel. Both are using Android 14. Not sure what caused that

It's not a big deal but just weird. Especially since my Samsung flip 4 is significantly more powerful lol

[naive bluff]

There was supposedly an issue with the app reporting incompatibility with some Samsung devices. Should be fixed when the team returns from their holiday break on Tuesday (according to Squid).

[frozen island]

Kinda what I was thinking yeah, thanks!

[swift sinew]

Man that sucks. I was hoping to pop in to say hello to my friends for new years with the mobile app, but I'm running into what I assume is the same issue on my Samsung. It just won't log in

[static wing]

I can’t long into the app for something reason

[naive bluff]

Servers are having issues, you're gonna have to wait.

[feral egret]

Happend to me yesterday. I reset my password 10 times and it still said that it cant login

[mortal vale]

Umm hello everyone did some ppl had problem with libmain.so?

If someone can please help me T-T

[naive bluff]

Samsung phones have been acting funky, you might have to wait for an update.

Team is just coming back from holiday break.

[solemn ibex]

I hope Elis brings an update to the game's avatar

[mortal vale]

will keep waiting

[solemn ibex]

Is there an update today?

[brittle cypress]

no, because we just started working today

[native igloo]

too too short holiday...

[naive bluff]

Hiya, Squiddy.

Hooray for shitty sleep schedule!

[half tapir]

Holidays? What's that?

[native igloo]

Good question. VRC Team not taking enough holiday this end to start of year holiday I believe. (yeah...everyone seems only has shorter holiday this time, not limited to VRChat)

[stray sequoia]

Hey guys i have a question

Is poco x5 pro a good phone to run vrchat smoothly?

[naive bluff]

Does it meet the requirements?

[stray sequoia]

Yeah, It has 6gb of ram, snapdragon 778 and Android 13

[naive bluff]

Alright.

[stray sequoia]

So it will rum the game at least at 50 fps?

[naive bluff]

Eeeeee.... YMMV significantly.

VR struggles to keep a consistent 50 FPS depending on how many people are in one instance.

[stray sequoia]

I Will only play with my friend

[naive bluff]

Again, YMMV. Test it out for yourself.

[stray sequoia]

Aight thank for the help

[frail trench]

bro, the quest avatar upload limit must have like changed or some shit

it feels IMPOSSIBLE to make a quest avatar now. This is what my texture selection looks like and its still 14mb

like excuse me?

8mb on the texture memory, where the fuck is the other 6 megs coming from?

your entire texture stack literally has to be 4mb

[grizzled coral]

Likely from the mesh.
If you have VRCFury installed, use its blendshape optimizer, it will remove any blendshapes that aren't used at all (and has an advanced setting for keeping MMD blendshapes)

Blendshapes can take up a lot of space

[frail trench]

Yeah I just pulled blendshapes off in blender and that did it

[grand zenith]

Just use less mats, 4head. My PC version of my avi is 15 Mb, and android is like 8.
I only need a single 2k texture for android.

[grizzled coral]

When it comes to this I can seriously recommend using the blendshape optimizer instead, means you don't have to destructively optimize it, plus you probably get rid of more unused ones.

[nova ravine]

when should we expect the next update?

[vale edge]

Expecting things sets you up for disappointment. Just be happy when it arrives.

[nova ravine]

https://tenor.com/12t9.gif

[heady sparrow]

expect to not get a consistent answer

[nova ravine]

go figure

[grand zenith]

They have been back from the holidays for 1 day and mans wants updates.

[nova ravine]

Sure do!

I'm just curious when they're going to drop the next update so I know when to expect it at least

[half tapir]

You can watch the steamdb changes

Like there was something yesterday

[foggy sierra]

Is Android VRCHAT just the quest version with tweaking

[nova ravine]

basically yeah cause Quest is android

[wet sorrel]

Mobile is limited Quest

Still want to see my very poor avatar when I use. I understand during the very beginning, but I don't want to support it if it acceptable with all the downgrades like Playstation 3 did with each edition of consoles

[solemn ibex]

Playstation?

[wet sorrel]

PS3

[grand zenith]

Will never happen, devs have made it clear that staying on the Play Store is more important than you getting to see your VP avatar.
Just optimise it 4head.

[static wing]

Is it possible to see the avatars in game?

[naive bluff]

Yes, up to Poor-quality.

[wet sorrel]

Unfortunately, you can't see your own very poor avatar like week one. If there is an imposter available, it changes back to your fallback when you change worlds

[static wing]

How do I do that

[naive bluff]

You don't do anything.

[wet sorrel]

If you have an uploaded avatar, on the bottom of each avatar thru the website, you can generate imposter located at the bottom.

[static wing]

Thank you

[wet sorrel]

you're welcome

I would like the non-devs to stop pointing out the repeat statement

I would like to have a prompt to click to show my very poor avatar, and i take the risk on my system.

[static wing]

Whu does it take so long to do 😭

[naive bluff]

And risk the app being taken down from the App Store due to selfishness?

[wet sorrel]

It is about freedom of choice, and improvement. This is still in beta afterall.

[naive bluff]

It ain't improvement, it's to prevent people from being dumb.

Too many complaints of crashing and poof goes the app.

[wet sorrel]

For low end systems? it happens with low end PCs, and VR headsets with poor Intenet connection

[naive bluff]

Happens on Quest too.

[wet sorrel]

Correct. which is VR

[naive bluff]

You fail to realize how much resources Very Poor avatars take.

[wet sorrel]

I'm just asking for a prompt to show the one I use. Everyone lse can still be in fallbacks. I've been testing Alpha on mobile since release.

[naive bluff]

Why specifically yours?

[wet sorrel]

Because that is how the release day worked. It will be availble for the user themseleves.

[naive bluff]

That doesn't answer my question. Why specifically your avatar? What makes it so special?

[wet sorrel]

It can be used for any very poor avatar I used. Ones I upload myself as well as the public ones

[naive bluff]

Again, not answering my question.

[wet sorrel]

I like to see the avatar I'm using no matter the performance, and select the actions with the avatar. Plus I can see the physbones that are available on the avatars

[naive bluff]

Well, too bad.

[wet sorrel]

You are too worry about apps getting taken down

[naive bluff]

Well, yeah... if it gets taken down, how will you use it?

[wet sorrel]

They are develpoing the iOs version, maybe things will be improved by then, when iPhone can use it.

[naive bluff]

That might not come for awhile.

[wet sorrel]

It took less than 4 months to fix the mic issue

[naive bluff]

Squid, if you're reading this, we could use your wisdom.

[grand zenith]

You know, you dont have to have a very poor avatar right. There are others you can use.

[wet sorrel]

i know i can. But this gave me hope for people to test Android compatible avatars if they don't have a standalone headset that is Android compatible. The imposters are more like very poor in appearance too. i had others complain about how glitchy they look

i missed the look of August 17th

[grand zenith]

Its really not that hard to make content not very poor if you're not half bad with modelling.
The excuse of "Well it was in the game at the start of the alpha, day 1" is not valid. This is a development build you're allowed to mess with. It's gonna be rough around the edges sometimes. Some stuff will slip through the cracks. It wasn't meant to be in this version at all.

I have, not once, had an issue testing my content on mobile to see how it looks in game.

[wet sorrel]

Still dissatisfied

[grand zenith]

That's fine, but it's never changing, #android-announcements has it listed as a feature, not a bug

[wet sorrel]

4.5 stars out of 5 for that reason

[hexed iris]

At the very least, that hard restriction has gotten me to get plenty of good optimization practice, to the point where I got an avatar with over 70,000 polygons down to a little under 20,000 (it's not the prettiest looking thing in the world, but still recognizable when done right, like removing small unnecessary details on the mesh)

I did try 15,000 polygons... oof, too much there ><'

[wet sorrel]

i don't know how to optimize right now with mesh and polygon reduction. i don't want to give the vr headset users a worst looking avatar for the ones i made public

[grand zenith]

Its kinda funny how much it takes to make people understand how retpo and normal maps look basically the same as a full rez model lol.

[heady sparrow]

Its crazy how people think you require unoptimized avatars to look good

[grand zenith]

Here is a fun example, the player assets in overwatch are about 30k polys.
But people think you just hit the decimate button and ba ta boom ba ta bing, done.

[hexed iris]

Exactly, and all those toggles being separate meshes and materials and such. I use shape keys to make the toggle animations, and then join them as one mesh. And then people say that Atlasing textures looks horrible, but that's only if one leaves the max resolution to 2K on Unity.

[wet sorrel]

i did get textures down to 1024 resolution, but polygons and mesh make 3 of my avatars very poor on Quest

[grand zenith]

Thats what retopo is for

[wet sorrel]

is that download like vrc Fury or EasyQuest

[grand zenith]

No, that's going into blender and making the mesh a useable poly resolution.
Video example: https://youtu.be/X2GNyEUvpD4?si=AYXK0lCSkYoziD0e

[wet sorrel]

i haven't put the fbx file from a Unity project into Blender yet

I did it the inverse from a file online, and created an fbx file to import to Unity

[grand zenith]

Its a useful skill to have before you just shader swop a pc avatar and get mad when the game says no. lol.
Most of my quest avis are 1 mat, 1 mesh, 10k - 15k polys. Not too hard if your a serious content creator.

[wet sorrel]

The avatars i have also have two toggable items in their hands

[grand zenith]

I got one with like 15-20 ||(cant remember)|| toggleable props I made with a friend, and it's still under 20k lol.

[wet sorrel]

Thank you. You have been a big help.

i am stubborn sometimes, but i don't like resorting to namecalling

[hybrid tendon]

So a little while back I made a post about why a brand new tablet I have won't run the mobile version of this game, and a bunch of people were quick to call out that my brand new tablet only has 4 gigs of RAM and the game requires 6 gigs of ram, which is the same as the Quest 2. However, in my quest no pun intended to try out this game on android, I ran it on a brand new Galaxy fold 5 with 12 gigs of RAM, which is twice the minimum that I've been told, and I've run into even more confusion despite having more power and the game actually running.

The new big question is, for what ungodly reason do avatars that run on the 6 gigs of Ram having, Android based Quest 2 not run on a 12 gigs of RAM having, Android based Samsung smartphone that is objectively more powerful, with the on screen explanation being "performance rating" that is apparently so severe of an obstacle, that the exact same quest compatible avatar will not display, even when I try to manually show avatar, on what is, again, significantly more powerful hardware?

Is this simply an issue of it being a beta?

[wet sorrel]

It is under #android-announcements that they posted not going to see the very poor avatars.

I can still see the Preview of the very poor avatar fine though.

You can select the avatar by going to the wings, and select the avatar from there. But you will get your fallback, or an imposter.

[hybrid tendon]

If that's what they're citing as a performance issue, then does that mean that going forward, very poor avatars will no longer display on quest?

Because if the quest is still going to display and run them, but the phone won't, then that's just laziness or a lie, or both

[wet sorrel]

Not currently for Quest and other standalone

[hybrid tendon]

It's also worth pointing out that being on PC does not absolve you of performance issues, because it all just depends on what Hardware you have

[wet sorrel]

I had one person arguing back and forth about it. Another person has helped with providing a way to optimize thru Blender

[hybrid tendon]

In other words, that's a lame excuse because the more powerful your phone is the less performance issues you will have regardless. I say they should just unlock very poor avatars and leave it up to the user how much performance they're willing to sacrifice on their experience

My GTX 1080 is Worlds more powerful than my phone, and I still have issues when running the game if I try to boot into an instance with more than 40 people and dog shit Avatar performance

[wet sorrel]

I've been saying that a few times. It was available for yourself to see your own very poor avi, but it was a bug according to the devs

[hybrid tendon]

It feels like every nice thing we have in this game is a bug that they need to take away

And if it's not a bug it's a mod

[wet sorrel]

Been running it on A52 Samsung with 6GB and Android 13

[hybrid tendon]

And if it's neither of those things then it's just not a nice thing, because we're not allowed to have nice things apparently

[wet sorrel]

They are currently accommodating for the low end phones as low as Android 10 and 6GB

[hybrid tendon]

For them to site performance issues is a lame excuse, yeah we all know that the quest is not a very powerful system and not the best system to prioritize development for. But to say that it's just a performance issue is asinine and completely ignorant of the fact that there are phones that are far more powerful and far more capable, where that issue is not a problem. Let it be up to the users how much performance they're willing to sacrifice

[wet sorrel]

I had a major difference from Quest 2 to 3 with the extra 2 GB and less Android/Quest lag while in standalone

[hybrid tendon]

This is like saying that every AAA game that comes out needs to look like an N64 game, because not everybody can have a $4,000 computer to run cyberpunk at maximum settings. Either have better Hardware or crank your settings down, that's on the user. It shouldn't hold us all back just because we're all on different planes.

[wet sorrel]

You get what's shown in the preview, but you get the 2nd image

[hybrid tendon]

Intentionally playing to the lowest common denominator would make the point of having Graphics settings completely non-existent. That's literally the reason why we have different safety settings for showing different levels and amounts of avatars based on user rank, Avatar performance rating, and whether or not they're your friend, or just whether or not you even actually deliberately choose to manually show an avatar

This also isn't really going to solve anything, because if you're in an instance with too many people, showing too many avatars, at a certain point there's just going to be too much and it's still going to lag regardless of the performance rating

[wet sorrel]

Here is the preview I mentioned

[hybrid tendon]

Why can't they just let us have features, and leave it to us as individuals to figure out what works best for us? I don't understand why that's so difficult for them. Shit like this is exactly why I do not give them money for VR chat plus, because I don't think I've ever seen a company of people who consistently make such bad and stupid decisions

[hybrid tendon]

So it's literally capable of rendering the preview

[wet sorrel]

Yep

[hybrid tendon]

This is just nonsensical and lazy. If anything they're spending more effort lying to us then it would take to just let it run

[wet sorrel]

First few day upon release, you could see the very poor avi, but your mic was very bad to others

[hybrid tendon]

The fact that they want us to pay money to play this game, when the decisions they make are so stupid that if anything they should actually be paying us to play the game instead, just furthers the reason why as the years go by I play this game less and less

[hybrid tendon]

My phone is very nearly as powerful as my laptop which has no problems running this, even when I show very poor avatars, and we're talking the PC version of very poor for my laptop

This phone could probably actually just run the PC version, save for the fact that not all code is intercompatible

In a perfect world where cross compatibility just isn't an issue, this phone is more than likely powerful enough to run PC, with a few very poor avatars on screen, and some other tweaks just to keep performance in check

[wet sorrel]

The mic issue has been fixed, but you got to use the phone mic to speak to others

I just want the person using the phone only see their avi if very poor

All other very poor were fallbacks, and imposters were in beta I think

[hybrid tendon]

@wet sorrel
"There's not enough power to run this avatar!!!"

literally running the avatar

This is exactly why I do not pay for the service. I refuse to pay somebody money for something that will be or might be valuable to me in the future. I pay people for a service that is valuable to me, is meaning in the present it is currently at this moment valuable to me. VRChat currently is not.

I don't understand where people get off treating monthly subscriptions differently than any other thing you pay for.

You don't pay a contractor to build, paint, or put tile in your house before they do it, you pay them after work, and if they fuck it up really badly and their service isn't valuable, then you dispute whether or not that service is deserving of the money, should that work be unsatisfactory. Payment comes after satisfactory service

[wet sorrel]

I have vrc+ so I could use 300 public avatars that I didn't have uploaded and are selectable without going to the world. The profile pic, and pfp is a bonus.

Others get to see the very poor avatars if not on mobile

[hybrid tendon]

This is absolutely unacceptable. This level of laziness is a disgusting and absolutely unacceptable way to treat your loyal player base

[wet sorrel]

It is still in beta currently. It was running more laggy and more crashes in alpha

[hybrid tendon]

This right here is exactly why I don't really play the game anymore, more so I just treated as a tool that I can record footage with my full body tracking to edit and produce skits with, or as a platform to promote stuff with. I don't really play it or spend a significant amount of time on it outside of basically treating it like an asset for production and creation

[wet sorrel]

I use it for creation works, but also socializing

[hybrid tendon]

By the way, Sony's Mocopi system is available in the US, which doesn't crash a thousand times a day or require me to strap a screen to my face, nor does it need internet for DRM verification, soooooooo

[wet sorrel]

I'm still waiting on SlimeVR

[hybrid tendon]

@wet sorrel Oh shit, you know what else? Sony Mocopi somehow, probably by using some sort of wicked, satanic voodoo magic, runs that exact same avatar with full body tracking on my tablet despite that it only has 4 GB of RAM.

That revelation adds a great deal of proof to the fact that the VRC devs are lazy. It's absolutely NOT an issue of performance. It has everything to do with low development quality and poor work ethic.

[wet sorrel]

If it wasn't for others using crashers, and people not knowing about Safety system and hiding avatars, this might be the reason everyone is in fallback I believe.

[hybrid tendon]

They have some explaining to do. One of these avatars is literally 70 kilobytes and it won't run it despite that it is Quest compatible

Yet it runs the one that is over a megabyte in size

[solemn ibex]

What a beautiful avatar

👍

[nova ravine]

Ain't it though

[solemn ibex]

Will there be an avatar update?

[hybrid tendon]

Sorry I tried to find some information but I couldn't.
I tried to play with a friend but she can't join me, I'm on PCVR and she is on android

[naive bluff]

Were you in a Quest-friendly world?

[hybrid tendon]

ohhh so that's why, thank you for telling me, I knew it was like the quest port but I ignored that fact completely

[naive bluff]

Yep!

[umbral wind]

vrc when you have 3+ material slots (no one will be able to see your avatar on quest for any longer without unhiding)

[hybrid tendon]

Bruh my avatar has two...

Does anyone have good methods to have mobile compatible?

[grizzled coral]

Aside from knowing how to optimize, this is the only thing I know of that can entirely automate it (to a lesser degree of quality) https://markcreator.gumroad.com/l/Polytool

With just a bit of Blender knowledge you could have CATS do most of it, or do it yourself with a tiny bit more knowledge, but more time.

[hybrid tendon]

as long as it's straightforward. decimating tends to break stuff

[nimble walrus]

why is the android beta not avaliable on the s23 ultra?

[naive bluff]

It is... just Samsung phones are having issues with compatibility. Wait for an update.

[nova ravine]

I know this is the Android General and it's technically for VR chat but I want to see if anybody here has had this issue on Android:
Sometimes I'll be using speech to text and if I backspace it'll suddenly copy and paste like the last sentence. Has anybody ever had this problem?

[solemn ibex]

What problem?

[solemn ibex]

I only have a problem with the avatars

That Elis doesn't carry up to 3 or 6 even more

Just that

[echo crescent]

Wait. Vr chat is on android now?

I’ve been gone for too long

[wet sorrel]

Since August 2023 as Alpha, now free for everyone in beta. Prepare for limited Quest

[river osprey]

Omegle vr is not dead guys...

[hybrid tendon]

Hello, I managed to play with my friend. She's on android and I'm on PCVR, but she can't see any of my avatars even if I'm only using from good-medium avatars (quest compatible ofc), is there any solution?

[wet sorrel]

Are these your uploaded avatars?

@hybrid tendon

[hybrid tendon]

No, just found some avatars in worlds that are quest compatible and good optimized

Only one of them could actually show up for both parties

[wet sorrel]

@hybrid tendon ok. Glad you found some avatars for her to see. Mobile Android is more limited.

[dry nimbus]

the mobile tiers are different, with very poor starting at 20k polygons; unfortunately most "quest-compatible" avatars don't care about that
and per #android-announcements viewing very poor avatars on android was intentionally made impossibly (as opposed to merely inconvenient as on quest currently)
unfortunately i'm not aware of many worlds with quest-friendly avatars so uhh good luck

[hybrid tendon]

I see, thank you for the explanation! with this information I can look up for avatars in that range 🙂

[wet sorrel]

The Android headsets can handle the very poor, just not the mobile phone version

[naive bluff]

Eventually, Quest will lose Very Poor support.

[wet sorrel]

They will set a release date by that time. Still waiting for SDK 2.0 avatars and worlds to be removed.

Like I said earlier, let the user see their avatar and no one elses.

We got the safety system, and graphics optimization options in the maintime.

[grizzled sonnet]

I wanted to play so much 😥

[hybrid tendon]

Im just wondering when it'll be out of beta and if there's gonna be mobile only avatars
And the don't block avatar setting when-

cause i have a lot of good avatars, but unfortunately cant use them on mobile cause of how scuffy it feels on mobile...

[grizzled coral]

Probably a while until it is out of beta, was quite a while in alpha, doesn't really matter, everyone can use the beta.
And there won't be mobile only avatars, it shares content with the other android platforms, Quest, Pico, Vive (whatever).

[hybrid tendon]

Ahh i sees. Makes sense ig. I just want the don't block avatar setting. Some of the avatars i have are some I've uploaded and used as personal avatars ;-; sucks that i cant use them

[grizzled coral]

That is highly unlikely to change, they have been very clear on the fact that mobile won't have very poor avatars.
I don't think it has been said outright, but pretty sure VRChat regrets allowing very poor on Quest.

And now with imposters they have even less of a reason to allow it since you can sort of view the avatar, but in a more performant package.

[hybrid tendon]

Yeah i can view it, but i just cant equip it. They work fine on pc and quest, but unfortunately mobile feels scuffed.

And if i were to make an avatar id have to make a really scuffed version so it could fit all 3 platforms

[naive bluff]

There's only two. 👀

[hybrid tendon]

Ik but i meant for mobile since very poor avatars cant be seen and only my fallback avatars can be seen

The first one i made works fine but i delved into vroid modeling and wanna make one that isn't poorge

[naive bluff]

Just make it Poor-rated.

On Quest, V Poor is also blocked, but can be toggled on at the user's expense.

[hybrid tendon]

I have tried, but it doesn't work too well.

id have to make it medium rated...

or remove some components

[naive bluff]

You don't need a ton of physbones.

[hybrid tendon]

I know xD

I've tried removing some of them before using the vrm converter but still kinda scuffed

And i still gotta make them to where they're oculus compatible, I've only done pc compatible models just to test the waters

[naive bluff]

Start with PC, then optimize for Android.

PC is MUCH more forgiving.

[hybrid tendon]

Will do >~< i want to at least bring my models to a medium state. In the meantime, I will try to convert and work on this one

[unkempt nimbus]

honestly I'd argue PC is too forgiving in some places, specifically texture memory and particle related stuff, even medium on the latter can lag your game.

meanwhile: that 70001 poly avatar is considered worse than a literal realtime point light with high res soft shadows

actually the poly limit in general kinda feels a bit arbitrary, the closest number that has any significant impact is 65,536, and that's only because it's the 16 bit unsigned interger limit (meshes with more polys than this are forced to use a 32 bit index buffer instead of a 16 bit one, which results in increased memory usage, granted it's negligible, but it is the highest impacting poly number border as far as I'm aware, this is also assuming only one mesh.)

[wet sorrel]

@grizzled coral imposters you can't use the toggles from the avatar

They could at least minimum allow the visemes for imposters

[grizzled coral]

Yes, imposters have a lot of downsides, would need to verify it, but it seems like android phone users can wear imposters as their avatar, as in they can see themselves as the imposter, something that isn't possible on any other platform.

So it does seem like VRChat does see imposters as the replacement for very poor avatars on android.

[grizzled coral]

They can't, imposters aren't real meshes, they are sprite based and are a shader illusion.

[wet sorrel]

It just seems like a lazy dev move

[grizzled coral]

They don't want very poor to be as common as it is

[wet sorrel]

I know that only the user could only see their own very poor avatar on release. Everyone else was fallback.

[grizzled coral]

Yeah, that was a bug, they needed a new system to stop people from wearing avatars based on its metrics and the Android alpha, was an alpha, so by definition it isn't odd for it to be missing essential features.

Could see them allowing that again at some point though, maybe.

[wet sorrel]

This is still in beta

I just don't want to see iPhone users being able to use PC avatars and in very poor avatars. And Android users only get fallbacks / imposters for their own very poor avatar.

[grizzled coral]

Don't worry, ios is going to be its own platform.

[wet sorrel]

So I will need to upload 3 times for the same avatar

[grizzled coral]

If you check the VRChat home in VRCX then it reports as having a ios version

[wet sorrel]

I don't have vrcx, but I heard the benefits of using it

[grizzled coral]

Seems so.
Altspace had so many platforms that it became dumb, think they automated switching build support.

Hm, maybe it was another platform with too many platforms.

[wet sorrel]

I met one person who came from AltSpace and she has her worlds in VRChat

I did have a friend use his iPhone 12 to be on the PC side of VRC months ago. I heard him clearly.

When changing worlds, the user gets turned back to the fallback, and not the imposter. They will have to change avatars to get back to the imposters. I was able to change to the imposter to using the wings.

^by using

[honest trellis]

I wonder if vrchat would work in a mini pc with android installed

[naive bluff]

On a Raspberry Pi or something?

[honest trellis]

Intel mini pc

[naive bluff]

Pretty sure Android requires an ARM processor.

[honest trellis]

Like those fanless ones

There's android x86

And blissOS

[wet sorrel]

The 32 bit PCs

[honest trellis]

It's just how the project is called

[half tapir]

Not just forgiving. But on pc you pretty much don't have any limits other than no scripts

Unless the only forgiving thing is easier to not be very poor

Though on pc that doesn't matter too much depending on situation

Just avoid very poor at places that are crowded like events. At friends lobbies it doesn't matter unless your avatar is a real abomination. But at that point your friends will probably yell at you for sucking up their performance lol

[wet sorrel]

I do respect the decision of the events because I know they want to show everyone or at least fallbacks to make it look like an event.

[stray sequoia]

When i try to rotate my screen my game crashes

Whats happening ?

[lilac delta]

Pixel device?

[stray sequoia]

No, poço X4 pro

[pine bloom]

Off topic but are you Brasilian by any chances?

Cabaço as nick name is just too hilarious to be coincidence

[stray sequoia]

Yeah i am lol

[lilac delta]

Hmmmm i know pixels have this issue but nice knowing others get the problem

Wait until software update soon

[stray sequoia]

Ok, ty

[grizzled sonnet]

Você e brasileiro?

[naive bluff]

#portuguese

[stray sequoia]

Sim

[lilac delta]

New update and as usual the rotate and crash bug is not fixed on my pixel 7a....

[gaunt palm]

the rotate one is so annoying

[lilac delta]

yeah let me play lol

[dense briar]

I wish the speaking button works without being tts without using headphones to have that option

[grizzled coral]

Yeah, no, hope they never allow that, reason why it is there in the first place is to stop echoing.
People wouldn't want to be near an android phone user that had push to talk off.

[dense briar]

True

[viscid jacinth]

Hey uhhh.... I can't install it anymore?

[native igloo]

all model listed only has 4GB of RAM so it is normal.
(minimum 6GB RAM)

[viscid jacinth]

false

"OwO" is a Nothing Phone (1)

[native igloo]

ah

[native igloo]

maybe OS requirement or something.

[viscid jacinth]

this is running Android 13 though? Should work, and did work before

[native igloo]

ic

[hybrid tendon]

What the hell
Why

[native igloo]

huhhh

[hybrid tendon]

Confusing, ik :P

[steep jacinth]

Easy to install even if your cell phone is not compatible

Easy bro xd

[hybrid tendon]

@naive bluff yeah but not easy to play

[boreal egret]

Question, is it compatible for tablets?

Nvm figured it out, it aint

[naive bluff]

Hi. 👀

[hybrid tendon]

Hi lol

[naive bluff]

You randomly pinged me.

[silk berry]

Anyone know any avi worlds that have avi's above the Very Poor specifications?
I can't see most avi's cuz of that specific specification cuz of the device I use to run vrchat

With preferably anthro avi's, if anyone has any?

[hexed iris]

I am in the process of updating all my avis on my world to be mobile compatible, targeting medium at least, just poor at most.

however (if I'm assuming correctly) the only anthro avatar I have in my world is a Koopa Troopa (the actual one from the Mario game themselves. 🐢 )

tho I haven't updated that one yet

otherwise, the rest of my avatars are the less-desirables, to most people anyways ^^'

like these ._.'

[silk berry]

Yeah...
I'm looking for mainly antro avi's kinda in the category of the public bestboi avi I use now

So cute, small and fluffy

But mainly anything above Very Poor

[half tapir]

Is that Brutus on the left?

[hexed iris]

Both are him, yeh

[half tapir]

I do have anthro avis that are better than very poor but not too sure if they exactly meet the category

They're also very limited featurewise compared to the pc version

[silk berry]

I wouldnt be opposed to checking them out if you have an avi world
I need to get away from these screechers anyways

[half tapir]

Yeah that's mine

https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_e5a3b086-6292-4b27-a7a5-34729adf9225

[silk berry]

Ooo
Okie
ill go look

[silk berry]

It says theyre pcvr only on my end
then again avi pedestals are still broken for android users rn

[half tapir]

A color you like?

[silk berry]

I can't see or interact with them at all
Like in general

[half tapir]

I mean do you have a favorite color?

[silk berry]

Purple
But dark purple

[half tapir]

Mmh you can select avatar here instead too https://vrchat.com/home/avatar/avtr_39bdf7f5-7725-4d4b-9d59-66d865635ddc

You'll need to restart game though after this

[silk berry]

Maybe I'll just look when the pedestals arent broken
It might be easier on my end to do that, to be honest

[grizzled olive]

Do Bluetooth headphones work for more than 5 minutes on Android? :/

[heady sparrow]

How dummy cheap are the headphones

[grizzled olive]

They are a popular brand. Huawei freebuds 5

[heady sparrow]

How stupid is your phone

[grizzled olive]

Pixel 6?

[silk berry]

I got the same issue with the headphones too tbh
But I have different headphones and a different phone

[hybrid tendon]

Damn, VRChat app took so much RAM that my audio went poof on my Bluetooth earbuds, and my Gaming Hub crashed on my Samsung phone

[gaunt palm]

momentum 4s working fine

[solemn citrus]

oh god its on phones now

[grand zenith]

Has been for a while

[river osprey]

I have problem in the game it turns out when I search some avatars still,all avatars are errors yet from mine I hope there's solution to fixed this

[wet sorrel]

They have acknowledged the fix with come for Android and Pico later

[grand zenith]

#announcements

[uncut fable]

Its fine for me but unfortunately still only see fallbacks

[silk berry]

Maybe try changing your fallback Avi settings to not see avi's with very poor specifications only?

I have mine set like this if it helps

[grand zenith]

The phone can not see very poor at all

from #android-announcements

[heady sparrow]

Neither quest nor android could show very poor automatically
Phones cant even see very poor whatsoever

[silk berry]

Mm
Gotta love being schooled for no reason just cuz of an error in my spelling cuz I type fast (read with slight sarcasm in a neutral way)

Even though I just saw my error now cuz I haven't touched discord since I wrote that message

[grand zenith]

Your spelling is not the issue; the information you gave was incorrect for the platform in question.

[lilac delta]

he left the server wow... fragile much

[gaunt palm]

minecraft pfp they have to be 12, aside from that... <insert vrc mobile appreciation post>

[half tapir]

For me it's just glorified vrcx on mobile lol

[unkempt nimbus]

for me, it's the only way I can test quest content I make

[hybrid tendon]

My bad lmao

I didn't realize 💀

[wet sorrel]

@unkempt nimbus I agree with you on this. The beginning you could only see your very poor avatar. No other very poor avatars. If they could come up with a prompt to view the avatar, it would be your choice.

[solemn ibex]

Will there be an avatar update to increase MB or something?

[pearl mulch]

that is never happening because of the ram constraints of the quest 2/3

[solemn ibex]

So will you increase the RAM?

[pearl mulch]

the quest has no expandable Ram so vrchat cannot do anything about that

[heady sparrow]

Thats not how ram works

[light smelt]

just download more ram moment

[hybrid tendon]

Even if Quest later on allows virtual memory like how Windows do memory swapping with disk, I doubt that will have a good performance

[half tapir]

Spoiler: it would be terrible

[grizzled coral]

Going off the experience using virtual RAM on my Android phone, it sure is terrible.

[solemn ibex]

But will we be able to use a normal avatar in the next update?

[dry nimbus]

what do you mean by "normal"

do you mean pc-only? that's just impossible, unity can't run windows packages on android
do you mean Very Poor (by mobile standards)? that's intentionally disallowed, see #android-announcements message
best you can hope for is impostors

[light smelt]

"normal" avatars are always been able to use

[half tapir]

Define normal

[light smelt]

in my definition, avatars within sensible range in the performance metrics

[half tapir]

Very poor just won't run on phones

As said it's disabled

[light smelt]

I haven't tried that one yet

[dry nimbus]

unfortunately normal ≠ sensible

go to prismic's avatar search on android, start tapping Random Avatar, and see how long it takes to get an avatar you can actually see

i still think about the 30k-tri solid-color worm (avtr_6df163fa-558a-4be3-9fb5-dd0446b1cc48)

[light smelt]

random ≠ sensible

[dry nimbus]

but random = (a good sample of) normal

i've had a similar experience with non-search avatar worlds but admittedly i haven't been to much of those

[light smelt]

if actual sample taken from avatars uploaded, yes it's not sensible.
if taken from my avatars, still sensible

[feral orbit]

On quest/android the avatar search only loads a quest/android compatible avatar database, so the random button should work every time insofar as that goes. The PC only bug on pedestals was just a VRChat pedestal bug.

[dry nimbus]

they're quest-compatible but very poor so i couldn't see them

[feral orbit]

True, plenty of those lol

[dry nimbus]

now that there's server-side avatar processing (for impostors and crasher detection) i hope the devs add performance data to the api

[wet sorrel]

You had to be using the app during the launch of alpha to see your own very poor avatar. Everyone else's very poor avatar was in fallback. I have pics, and in the feedback thru the info section, even videos displaying the very poor avatars used on the phone. This program is still in beta. I hope we are given the option to use and see just our own very poor avatars again.

The potential to me is this is great for testing the Android side of VRChat

[solemn ibex]

Do you still have the app?

[feral egret]

Uhm

How do i get in landscape? Im stuck in portrait

Ok, the very poor avi lock is extremely annoying

All my avatars are extremely poor

So i cant wear them

[naive bluff]

Sorry to hear.

[wet sorrel]

Still hate the downgrades

[lean marten]

When is vrchat releasing to ios

[light smelt]

from the perspective of performance, locking very poor avatars is an upgrade

[wet sorrel]

Still downgrade for me when only the user saw their very poor avatar on release. Others are still mentioning this in the feedback

[grand zenith]

~Thats why it was in alpha~

[wet sorrel]

It is in open beta

[grand zenith]

It is now yes, the bug letting you see vp on release is patch now

[wet sorrel]

The imposters don't stay when changing worlds. I provided a video in feedback

[feral egret]

Idk.

[solemn ibex]

Does anyone know when there will be an update on the avatars?

[naive bluff]

What kind of update?

[heady sparrow]

what do you mean by update

[solemn ibex]

About imposed avatars

[heady sparrow]

imposed avatars?

[solemn ibex]

Yes, those avatars with seals

[heady sparrow]

seals?

[solemn ibex]

Yes

[solemn ibex]

I made a mistake, it was an impostor avatar

[heady sparrow]

imposters can currently be made on the website

[solemn ibex]

Can you send me the website?

Calm down, stay on the normal website?

[heady sparrow]

vrchat.com

just the vrchat website

[solemn ibex]

Is there a way to do this on Android?

Why don't I have a pc

[heady sparrow]

go to the website

gimme a sec to screenshot

[solemn ibex]

Ok

There is no way to remove the impostor ;-;

[naive bluff]

You can only make imposters of your own avatars, not favorited ones.

[solemn ibex]

I understand

[wet sorrel]

I sent feedback about the imposters not staying when changing worlds, which can be achieved by selecting the very poor avatar from the wings. But that is a bug according to StormRel. We shouldn't be seeing our own imposters locally.

So basically just fallbacks for the user on mobile who uses very poor avatars. 😦

[gilded solar]

Hey how do I get vrchat on android

[grizzled coral]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrchat.mobile.playstore

[grand zenith]

You also need 6GB of RAM and Android 10+

[gilded solar]

God damn it I have the galaxy s9 damn

[grand wasp]

If you have OneUI 2.5 it should be android 10. Don't quote me on that though

[lilac delta]

that's really old 😮

[covert granite]

Are there any plans to release this to Andriod powered VR headsets such as the Pico 4, either by making the APK downloadable outside of the Google Play Store or via the PICO Store?
I've installed it on my PICO 4, but its a bit weird being portrait but it mostly worked.
I might have to try the desktop version its via SteamLink from Linux

[grizzled coral]

The Pico 4 has proper standalone VR VRChat.

[covert granite]

You sure? I haven't found one. I downloaded the APK via some APK Mirror site

Oh yea, thanks!!

[covert granite]

It would have been in December when I last looked when you had to have VRChat Plus to try it out. Appreciate the heads up

[grizzled coral]

Only the android phone version required VRC+, the Pico 4 got the Quest version of VRChat on their store in early November and had no such limitation.

[wet sorrel]

Quest now says Android, but doesn't fall under the same restrictions as vrc mobile

[granite flint]

how do you do gestures

[grim night]

I don't think you can

[wraith tinsel]

Does anyone have the apk of the latest version that is out now?

[nova ravine]

Read the patch notes yet sadly we still don't have anything for earbuds

[wet sorrel]

I use the plug in earbuds

[lilac delta]

rotate bug fixed in notes.. hmm il be the judge of that lol

[eager grail]

this needs to stop

[ivory elm]

Minimum Displayed Avatar Ranking: Very Poor
go to trust settings, turn off particles and shaders

(also wrong channel??)

[eager grail]

what channel?

[ivory elm]

im assuming you meant to post this in vrchat-videos

[olive cedar]

anyone up for making cool pvp with me and my team

[lilac delta]

waiting for the playstrore update pop up, want to see if i can finally play on my pixel again

[wheat crest]

Did VRChat finally add the Android version to the OnePlus 11?

I can confirm it does work after downloading it from the Aurora Store, but it says it's incompatible

[left vault]

is this android only? i dont see this option in vr, my game running at 300 fps making my fans spin like crazy

[lilac delta]

tested it, rotation bug is indeed fixed! yay

[unborn pulsar]

Is there any way to view favorite friends on mobile? I wanna check who on my favorites list is online but scrolling through the likely 200+ regular people i have online atm is inconvenient lol

Also why isnt the list in alphabetical order im never gonna find anyone with this

[gaunt palm]

I'd recommend the VRC Tracker app, probably

[lilac delta]

the colors of vrchat+ ui theme is all over the place, some use the theme some don't and it's not the same, so in short: very buggy, but atleast i could play on the phone since the app went beta lol

[broken pine]

Nope, I think it's on desktop too? Not sure about VR, should be in the graphics settings if it is

If not, I think it'd be locked to hmd refresh rate

[proud creek]

It works on my OnePlus 7 Pro... Huh

[wheat crest]

This is based on your SteamVR refresh rate

If you set that to the same as your headset, that's usually the best bet

[wanton isle]

sensitivity feels snappy for some reason

[strange totem]

I wish I can get VR chat on mobile but i don't know how to get it. Can anyone help?

[grand zenith]

#android-announcements

[strange totem]

Thanks for the info I needed

[nova ravine]

VRChat running on a firestick :^)

[grand zenith]

Run it in a smart fridge

[still berry]

It doesn't work on my moto g play

Does this mean I have to play on tcl

[grand zenith]

that device has 3GB of ram; vrchat needs 6GB minimum.

[iron moat]

When hop on my phone vrchat I'm in default avatar why is that?

[native igloo]

maybe you were PC only avatar which wear at time.

[iron moat]

Well i have quest 2 but I wanna test on moblie but avatar are different not my normal avatar @native igloo

[native igloo]

if it not supported on android platform, you cannot wear it.

[grand zenith]

If the avatar has a very poor performance rank on Android, the phone version can't load the avatar at all.

[heady sparrow]

On the android version specifically very poor avatard are disabled completely
Android (phone specifically) can only load avatars up to a maximum of poor rating

[fiery tartan]

Well that sucks… I use a very poor on quest and it does hardly anything to my frames. I drop like 1 FPS

I wish they would give you the option

[naive bluff]

Gotta see the bigger picture here.

[fiery tartan]

Especially on mobile, where a lot of phones have hardware equivalent to the quest 2 (basically a snapdragon 865) but don’t have to worry about VR.

Should be just fine to run very poor models as long as you are not trying to play VRC on a entry level phone

[naive bluff]

You would be surprised.

[fiery tartan]

And if you are, that’s kinda a personal problem

[naive bluff]

A LOT of people don't understand phone specs.

[fiery tartan]

Giving the option to the end user is always a better option

Just have it disabled by default

Like the full resolution mirror disclaimer

[naive bluff]

IMO, it's better this way. If it gets too many complaints of crashing and whatnot it can be taken off the Play Store.

[fiery tartan]

I get that a majority of users don’t understand phone specs. But you shouldn’t have to hold users hands either. Especially not at the expense of limiting knowledgeable users

A disclaimer would be able to prevent that

If they choose to enable it after the disclaimer, and it crashes. That’s on them

[naive bluff]

You think people will actually pay attention to that?

[fiery tartan]

Anyone running a recent Samsung flagship will have the snapdragon 8 or 8 Gen 2

[fiery tartan]

That’s on them if they don’t

[naive bluff]

Sorry, bud. Ain't happening.

In fact, pretty sure they're gonna block Very Poor permanently on Quest eventually.

[fiery tartan]

Well if it’s on anything android based, it can be modified

Last saving grace

[naive bluff]

And THAT'S how you get banned.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[fiery tartan]

Don’t arbitrarily limit users

[naive bluff]

It's not arbitrary, it's to prevent people from being stupid.

[fiery tartan]

That is such a dumb stance to take

It’s always best to give the users the option

[wanton isle]

🗣️

shuddup both of you

[naive bluff]

Shaddap-a you face!

[wanton isle]

🤯

how rude of you!

[fiery tartan]

Also, VRC needs to restructure the performance rank system to accurately reflect what causes a degradation in performance.

Their limits are way to strict in some places, and way to generous in others.

But then again, it has been that way since they implemented that system. It’s why I have never taken it seriously…. When looking for what causes lag I always judge for myself

[grand zenith]

How often do you use the unity profiler mr expert.

I think this person forgets that, unlike the Quest, Android phones home to the Play Store.
If the game crashes too often for too many users, they will remove VRChat from the Play Store.

The quest already has a LOT of issues crashing. And so VRC had to do something to make sure they could stay on the Play Store.

The perf ranks on mobile are generous as is. You 100% don't need your PC avatar shader swapped on your phone.

[fiery tartan]

I have run quest standalone a lot recently since picking up a used quest 3 and can count the number of times I have experienced crashes on one hand