android-discussion

[native igloo]

do you use VRChat account instead oculus/meta kind of account?

[humble dust]

I don't have money and buy

[native igloo]

then you are good, you just need to wait few month. that's it.

at least nothing go wrong.

[humble dust]

Okay 😞

[livid shale]

Has the vrchat mobile app updated since it got released? Like do I have to update it? I haven't used it in a while tbh

(ping me with response btw)

[grizzled coral]

Yeah, it has gotten updates.

[native igloo]

few times. you can check release note on app store page or on docs.

[grizzled coral]

The updates should automatically download and install.

Google play might delay it based on nebulous factors though.

Can always force an update in the play store if one is available.

[glossy scarab]

Anyone else dont. Have toggle a option on mobile anymore for mic?

Nvm found it, turns out without earbuds it autos to Ether push to talk or off to minor feedback or echoing which is fair

[river osprey]

Hey guys I have questions, how to fixed this!?

[native igloo]

Check this. especially notification part.
https://help.vrchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/19655613120915-VRChat-Mobile-General-Troubleshooting

[river osprey]

I hope there's even that and probably fixed soon, I have same problem that I can't play it even it's not showing the registration and already said permission error : (

[native igloo]

try reinstall it....

[river osprey]

I should do uninstall and install again the problem it still shows in this photo hehe you mean there's another direction way to do it?

[native igloo]

lol...

[warm agate]

this is wild

Pixel 7 Pro works great

[echo wren]

Consider how bad quest 2 chip is

I'm pretty sure most phone can handle vr chat well

[river osprey]

Is it want to run with snapdragon or any platforms just it?

[native igloo]

it is not limited to.

[river osprey]

I hope it runs to me if I have new phone or some Idk what android version will run to this or above

[warm agate]

I'm guessing it's mostly RAM it needs more than anything

Though I'm sure graphics cores are needed a ton too

[river osprey]

Oh I hope to know itself that what's to fixed the problem with my phone that how it work and what else to do

[warm agate]

6GB+ of RAM and Android 10

[river osprey]

Well mine is android 10 but not compatible as you think and that need a big ram so that make sense to me hehe

And also you get a vrchat+ because you already play it

[warm agate]

yes i have vrc+

[echo wren]

Does it feel weird to see FBT players while ur in a phone

[warm agate]

Hah, I mean, no different than desktop?

I also played VRC on my steamdeck in desktop mode

[echo wren]

[naive bluff]

Yes?

[neat grove]

The chip in the Quest 2 was an XR2 processor which is a custom snapdragon 835 chip. Which was found in the Samsung Galaxy S8 phones lol

The Quest 1 used an 821 processor which the Samsung Galaxy S7 phones used.
That's how old they were.

So current day budget phones should technically be able to run VRchat

[naive bluff]

You also have to consider which Android API is being targeted too.

[neat grove]

Indeed

[warm agate]

I've got a pixel tablet I should try it on

Oh I wonder how it works on an Nvidia shield TV pro

[warm agate]

Hmmm .. Playing this on an nVidia Shield TV Pro with a controller

Oh it only has 3GB of RAM

Boo

[naive bluff]

RIP.

[warm agate]

im just happy the steamdeck plays it

[grizzled coral]

Sideload it anyway and watch it die quicker than a Quest 1!

[river osprey]

Does you have running in snapdragon in it or others please tell me

[lucid badge]

Is there any way to get vrc+ without access to the game?

[warm agate]

Nah it's an Nvidia x1

It should be ande to handle it

[lucid badge]

Hm?

[naive bluff]

Do you not have a PC? 👀

[lucid badge]

Nope just a mac

[merry edge]

Interesting

[echo wren]

Hmm anyone wanna design a ui for vr andrioid

[warm agate]

https://vrchat.com/home/subscriptions

[warm agate]

Have you made an account and looked at the subscriptions page?

[lusty hazel]

You can't actually subscribe through the Website

You can only do it through Steam or Quest

[warm agate]

Oh crazy lol

So I guess virtual machine time?

Or maybe streaming? Or go to a friend's house? Lol

[gray topaz]

i really want to see very bad avis

ngl

[balmy pilot]

apparently if the app crashes too much it's removed from google play store. so that's probably why they removed the option

[little halo]

Is this supposed to be in the newest update?

Canny post here incase it isn't
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/preload-worlds-on-android-alpha

[naive bluff]

I changed my FOV to 100.

[native igloo]

ah

[supple pollen]

This audio bug makes me sad face

[warped thistle]

Hi, I have a question, it's normal I can't see all the compatible quest avatar ?

Avatar: very poor
Smartphone :
-cpu qc 865 and 8gb of ram

[muted kayak]

#android-announcements

[warped thistle]

Thanks

[naive bluff]

Very Poor has been blocked on Android.

[hybrid tendon]

Is there a date when Vrchat is coming to iOS?

[naive bluff]

Nope.

[hybrid tendon]

Oh okay thank you tho

[ancient birch]

The fucking dumbass people in Paraspace wants the FULL screenshot of your Google Play thing

Idk what seeing THE WHOLE thing would do. You showed what mattered

[muted kayak]

This ?

[ancient birch]

I don't speak that language

[muted kayak]

I leave those guys google lens-ing the screenshots to translate it

[ancient birch]

But yes

They mean thise screenshots

[ancient birch]

Wait are these the same screenshots from the 7a/Redmi Pro?

Cause that's what I put in

[muted kayak]

I did those screenshots on my Pixel 7a, but I think it was the same on my Redmi Note 10 Pro

but it's saying that my Lenovo tablet is compatible (which have 4GB of RAM, and a entry level mediatek SoC)

let me try on the tablet

@ancient birch Nope same thing, but it says that my Pixel is compatible

@ancient birch Oh the issue might be that I'm under 18 years old, and since the play store doesn't have a proper message for that, it just display the app as not compatible with my phone.

Yup, I switched to my alt account, where I'm over 18 years old, and I can install it on my Pixel

[echo wren]

Oh

[ancient birch]

Lol

[idle bear]

Google cardboard 🤑🤑

Some cardboard headsets come with controllers too so it wouldn't be out of the question

[warm agate]

Yeah I'm guessing that is in the cards

I have a cardboard, but its the old smaller model, i need to get a bigger one

https://arvr.google.com/cardboard/get-cardboard/

But VR is also gonna half the performance

[pearl mulch]

none of those controllers are Six degrees of freedom

[muted kayak]

You don't need a 6dof controller for VRChat

you can play in VR (on PC) with just a keyboard and mouse or a gamepad like a Xbox controller

and you don't need a 6dof headset too, but you will need to add something to be able to crouch and prone

[pearl mulch]

that would be awkward as all heck not having any hands in vr

[idle bear]

A 6DoF controller isn't required for VRChat you can literally play on PC

[muted kayak]

but it works

[half tapir]

I'm 18+ and still can't install it on my Redmi Note 10 Pro lol

[idle bear]

You need to verify your age (i.e give Google your credit card info/ID)

[half tapir]

How would i verify age?

@idle bear

Can't find an option to do so

[naive bluff]

Bruh.

[muted kayak]

My alt account doesn't have its age verified...

[idle bear]

If age verification isn't the issue then I don't know

I would say it's because of the regions, but the play store tells you if that's why and I see Paraspace ads on tiktok (mainly the one with the big chested furries dancing but still)

You could try downloading through taptap instead of playstore??

[hybrid tendon]

tried doing it today, i dont know if this is enough though

[hybrid tendon]

Sufficient but ideally 8 is better

[hybrid tendon]

mine looks different to yours

[hybrid tendon]

Maybe bc different phone

probably

[muted kayak]

The 3GB is just virtual memory, that's basically useless for VRChat.
So you only have 4GB of RAM which isn't enough

[hybrid tendon]

ohh

[warm agate]

Did you download more RAM?

[hybrid tendon]

not really-ish, i added more RAM but i dont think i downloaded more RAM (i dont know if adding RAM and downloading RAM are the same thing)

[naive bluff]

It's virtual RAM, meaning it's utilizing additional memory from your storage.

[rose leaf]

RAM isn't something you download, that's a long running internet joke. RAM (random access memory) is a type of data storage that is extremely fast for your CPU to access, but cannot hold data without power

[warm agate]

Yeah there is no increasing RAM/memory on a phone without replacing the phone

On a PC you can add/replace the RAM sticks

[hybrid tendon]

ohhh

srry i dont get jokes that much

[native igloo]

Thank you mod

[frozen plank]

Awa

[cold knot]

For avatars, anyone know where to get non Very Poor avatars? It seems that Android can access at minimum Poor avatars

[native igloo]

Actually, you can search avatar world from world search.

[cold knot]

I have. Don't know any specific worlds that have sorta optimized avatars.

[native igloo]

If you want toony avi, try following.
Otherwise....I don't have idea.
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_84778fd2-d927-4e2d-b711-d1eb27a7dbf1
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_ad46362c-776e-4b0b-b195-07571bfb6d05

[thorny star]

avatar museum goated

[native igloo]

huh?

[thorny star]

very good

[native igloo]

ic, yeah. decent.

[cold knot]

Ah, okay. Thanks

[gaunt basin]

Just got vrc+ earlier. Will try out alpha after I charge my samsung

Nvm. Phone too bad lol

I think idk

[echo wren]

Museum?

[merry edge]

thank you that was fun looking at all that people really need to start investing their time and making avatar worlds

[visual iron]

It's funny that i can't equip some avatars and yet they fully load as miniature in menus

Also at start of alpha i could've used some avis but now i can't

[grizzled coral]

Very poor was never visible if other people were wearing them and the reason you could use one in the beginning is because of a bug.

[visual iron]

Still would be cool to be able to wear them on ur own risk like u wear one and other android users unable to see them

Cos tbh most users ur with are not android

[chrome sluice]

2023.3.2p1m doesn't react to turn to the left or right by pressing the edges of the screen. Did I miss something? How about on your envs?

[mortal solstice]

Welp, uninstalling because that was the only reason I ever was excited for the mobile build. Testing my own avatars lol

[barren current]

Is the VRChat alpha good yet?
I'm a mobile main but I usually take my sibling's laptop to play an hour but I'm tired of having limited time on the game
Is it worth getting VRC+ just to play on android?

[native igloo]

It's super early stage of alpha yet.
(means even not beta)
It can be changed day by day.

There seems to be some review on YouTube if you interested in.

[tidal junco]

Anyone can help me vrchat alpha keeps crashing on me when I try to open app

[tidal junco]

I'm using a Redmi note 12 turbo running aospa custom rom so wondering if that has anything to do with the instant crashing

Oh wait yea vrc+ needed 😅

[golden perch]

Damn

No love for the Retrioid Pocket? ☹️

[wet sorrel]

Mic is getting better when you speak closer to the mic. Still some breaking. I did have one Quest lag in a 20 minute session.

[grizzled coral]

Needs 6GB of RAM, which none of that companies devices seem to have.

[hybrid tendon]

Nope

Just wait until it's finally out of beta

Unless if you really want to try the beta with how buggy it can be

[late eagle]

I just noticed the achievement section in the avatar tab while testing out the mobile version. (Dunno if it's also there in regular pc/vr version) xP

[hybrid tendon]

[muted kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/479509259684413450.gif?size=48&name=Thinktastic&quality=lossless

[gusty snow]

Some things that are not yet in any open beta seemed to land in mobile versions UI. Buttons for world predownloading can also be found there.

[soft vault]

music

[late sparrow]

I just wind up crashing in the end.

[lucid badge]

waits for mobile to fully release

[barren current]

waits for a way to get vrc+

[glacial compass]

Haha it doesnt matter what i do i still get disconected in like 1 miniute

[naive bluff]

👀 No PC?

[barren current]

Frfr

Well my sibling's laptop lol

[naive bluff]

If it can semi-run VRC in desktop mode... that's all you really need.

[barren current]

Nice

I'll get a mini SER5 PC soon prob

So I'll try to hop on android for now

[boreal ermine]

It's in beta now?!!?!!?!?!?!

I thought it was just in Alpha!

Does that mean that I can access it without VRC+?

[boreal ermine]

How to access the beta?

[warm agate]

What are you all talking about? It's still the alpha

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrchat.mobile.playstore

[hybrid tendon]

Sorry, I used the wrong term. It's alpha

[naive bluff]

#android-announcements

[warm agate]

Alpha is also a specific testing track on the google play store

There is Internal, Alpha, Beta, and Production

[grim hare]

Was there an update recently? I don't see a build number in the client anymore

[river osprey]

Guys is there a way to log in vrchat if I got the vrchat+ or not because I have pc so will it be work if it's possible?

[hybrid tendon]

hello I am on vrchat mobile do you have avatar maps in 10 mb? and when will there be an increase in MB for avatars?

[grizzled coral]

When the Quest 2 stops being used by people.

[mortal solstice]

All very poor avatars, including your own. Is not visible. It has to be poor or better on quest to see it.

[warm agate]

lol madness

[grand zenith]

Ngl, feel like with just a little bit of tweaking from vrc, we could get unofficial support.

Like if we got that weird middle split vr thing. As well as osc endpoints for HMD and hand controllers. I'm sure someone could hack it together lol

[opal saddle]

is there already a canny post for adding a chatbox button to the mobile UI? couldn't find it but it's sorta difficult to search the canny so thought i'd ask before i write one up

[rain vault]

you can access the chatbox via the expressions menu under tools but i understand that would be very handy.

[boreal moss]

I don't know for sure, and what I am gonna say is just speculation. But I am quite certain this is the case, just a disclaimer fyi.

The Oculus Quest Android version of VRChat most likely relies on the deprecated VrApi which is exclusive to Oculus devices instead of using the more standardized OpenXR API thus it is completely non-compatible with the Pico.

And the Android version of the game is built completely for Android as Standalone application and does not contain any of the OpenVR/VrApi initialization code most likely.

So unfortunately, this unofficial support is very unlikely, and doing so would anyways breach the ToS.

(a) decompile, reverse engineer, or otherwise access or attempt to access the source code for any portion of the Platform, or make or attempt to make any modification to any portion of the Platform (other than modifications of the type described in the applicable User documentation made available to you by VRChat)

Quoted from ToS section 11. Restrictions

[opal saddle]

yea, but im essentially asking for a mobile equivalent of how you can bind a button in VR or desktop to open the chatbox

[rain vault]

yea

[opal saddle]

using the radial is hell when you use the chatbox more frequently than once or twice a session

[grand zenith]

So here's the thing. You've kinda got off into the weeds of building an application that is made for it or reverse engendering the apk file to do something.
That's not what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that a single stereo pass vertical split screen effect. One like the Google cardboard had. Plus osc endpoints for head transform, hands transform, generic vr button input.
That someone could build their own post renderer vr player into something like the pico.
This would effectively just be a plugin running in parallel with the apk file, and passing it data it needs to work in vr.

[boreal moss]

Well, I don't believe you can even run the App as split-screen unless you modify the application itself to begin with. But in other hand what you proposed would be pure jank. But technically Infact, that's how the headset itself works in VR mode. It has single display and it makes a vertical split effect and both eyes are seperate area of the LCD screen.

[grand zenith]

Yes, I know there is no way to render this right now. I was saying if vrc gave us this stereoscopic rendering mode and osc end points. People would do it themselves via APIs.

[boreal moss]

Well, there is still one issue though. Does the operating system expose calls to essentially fetch real-time controller data without having application running as background service? So you can run OSC service with Termux in the background.

OSC already exists for Head, Hands, Legs pretty much the entire IK body. And it is utilized in SlimeVR

[grand zenith]

Osc has no end points for head and hands, only trackers

[boreal moss]

No no I think it does have hands.

I've seen people integrate Leapmotion via OSC which would require it to have Hand bone support via OSC

[grand zenith]

Nope, that's custom animator

[boreal moss]

Yeah it has 8 generic trackers which can be mapped to Head and Hands

by default they are not mapped to any specific bone.

I think?

The "head" addresses can optionally be sent to aid in aligning your sender app's tracking space with VRChat's tracking space (see below).

Technically it should be possible via emulating FBT trackers

since I've also seen people use SlimeVR without controllers in VRChat for tracking hand position...

[grand zenith]

It's an offset to calculate from the head to where the trackers are, not control the head itself.

[boreal moss]

ah then it's impossible and very unlikely.

I probably would just wait for Official version

Since VRChat updated to Unity 2022 it comes by default with OpenXR

should be very easy to migrate it into OpenXR so it can work on other headsets than SteamVR and Oculus xD

Idk though what is their priorities

[grand zenith]

Yeah for now we can't but would be nice to just diy it ourselves at some point lol

[pearl mulch]

the first release of unity 2022 vrchat is not going to be on openXR

[boreal moss]

Obviously not, what I meant by my statement is that Unity 2022 ships with official and stable OpenXR package by default rather than using Legacy Oculus / OpenVR packages. But since VRChat is migrated project they are still using the legacy packages.

But upgrade process technically should be painless. Minor changes.

[lucid badge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sad-spongebob-gif-sad-spongebob-spongebob-gif-25853094

waits for mobile to release

[hybrid tendon]

i'm guessing there's no vrchat on the pico 4? damnn

[pearl mulch]

there is not and currently not a high priority

[void hinge]

Question from ignorance, why when I put on a skin does it turn into the samurai?

[little halo]

any avatar that is very poor is blocked and is replaced by a fallback

[steady sentinel]

I have a question will this be eventually for everyone who doesn't have a subscription?

[grand zenith]

Yes, once it's in beta. Right now, its in alpha to limit the amount of users.

[boreal ermine]

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hopefully they will have that changed by the time it goes into beta/full release

[rain vault]

they wont. you can upvote this for a possible chance tho ig

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/desperately-need-a-very-poor-allowance-on-mobile

[grand zenith]

Unpopular opinion here's hoping they don't, make creators actually have to optimize their content. Joining public lobbies on quest is awful right now, and this could help fix it. All these PC avatars that got shader swapped need to stop lol.

[pearl mulch]

that is unlikely to change as I've heard stuff like the app stores being more stringent about apps crashing constantly so allowing very poor avatars could be hazardous for vrchat even being available on phones at all

[static spindle]

Hello 😃

Testing my displayname. Hello all

[hybrid tendon]

in both case we can already tell the app is gonna die. No one wants to play an app that constantly crashes and no one wants to play with fallback only

[merry edge]

Right

I had interest in the mobile version but now I don't

[hybrid tendon]

the only interesting thing I see is for creators who don't have a quest but even that is no longer possible with very poor avatar blocked

[merry edge]

yha

It's honestly too much of a pain to even build Avatar's its phone compatible or even worse converting avatars

[half tapir]

mobile version will be avatar and world testing only for me

im lucky and commissioned someone making me a poor version of my avatar on quest back then lol

[merry edge]

I've seen your name somewhere before octo

[grand zenith]

I like how, when I hang out with friends no one is perf blocked. But if I go to public worlds, everyone is perf blocked lol.

Turns out, people who make avis often. Have no issue with making them optimised.

[unkempt nimbus]

speak for yourself

[merry edge]

Honestly speaking though I don't like avatars that strip back anyways they look horrible

[thorny star]

makes an ugly avatar
blames the perf rank system

[echo wren]

You can always make good avatars within the limit

Just use more imagination

[hybrid tendon]

[cold acorn]

Was looking to subscribe to VRC+ for a month for access to the beta. I have a PC but am in the process of reinstalling windows on it and was looking to use the android build to stay in contact with friends. Is there a way to subscribe without booting the game on desktop? The guide from the site says to open a dialog in steam via the subscription prompt in game, but I cannot boot the desktop app up. I have steam mobile app if there's a direct link where I could subscribe there.

[hybrid tendon]

I should have completed my sentence with 'if you aren't among the 1% of people who succeed in not being very poor on Android.'

[grand zenith]

People out here forget that Mario 64's player model was 752 polygons.
If you can't fit your avatar into the equivalent of 26 times that, I feel like it may be the person making the avatar..

[hybrid tendon]

Still, wanting to see a person here who manages to optimize a Booth model like Lime down to Poor for Android

By then, I might think about it

I do not feel like that comparison is fair

Other game characters have different designs. Some even not require that much assets on them to begin with

[pearl mulch]

checking the model that would absolutely be doable

[hybrid tendon]

Yep

[gray gate]

its still not compatible for my phone

[naive bluff]

RIP

[brave blaze]

Just got my pixel 7 pro today so Ill be testing on that later 😄

[void hinge]

So only i can play low Poly avatars?

[hybrid tendon]

Avatars that are lower than 20000 polys, yep

[rose leaf]

that doesn't mean it will look "low poly" though

[brave blaze]

Runs super smooth on 7 pro

[hybrid tendon]

👍

[pearl mulch]

like normal Maps exist

[grand zenith]

But I need my 16k poly earring prefab I found ||/j||

[grim hare]

I don't have access to the canny where I am right now but is anyone else experiencing oddly colored and clipping models in the avatar selection menu preview?

[warm agate]

Hows it been for everybody?

What is the biggest wishlist?

[hybrid tendon]

Vpoor

[warm agate]

which device do you have

[hybrid tendon]

LDPlayer9 Emulator will be mine, but have heard some got it to work on Nintendo Switch

And you? Is it running well

[twilit vine]

How do I get vrchat plus without my headset? I wanna be able to play the mobile version but I don't got vrchat+ and I wanna get it so I can

[echo wren]

Probably have to wait for beta

[nova ravine]

https://tenor.com/26RV.gif
How much longer?????

[twilit vine]

Ugh😞

[hybrid tendon]

So let’s just say if VRChat for android had a release date. Would it be sometime next year??

[twilit vine]

Technically speaking alpha is a release type

[echo wren]

Officially release? Probably more

Can't u just login vrc website and buy it ther3

[hybrid tendon]

F

[twilit vine]

I tried, there's no page for it

It says it's on steam and the Meta quest thing

Not on the website

Not that I saw anyways

[echo wren]

Ew u need to buy it in game

[twilit vine]

Ik

It's fucking UGH

[nova ravine]

The devs have already said that it's going to be released this year in beta. They said they want to have it by the end of the year. So we might be seeing it somewhere about November or December. I want to see the latest literally will be before Christmas

[twilit vine]

Watch it be next week lol

[rose leaf]

what device is this?

[twilit vine]

It said that for me

Jus get the apk for now

[humble dust]

I checked Google store but
I know qooapp have vrchat

[rose leaf]

you still haven't answered the question

it looks like a samsung tablet, but which one specifically

[gilded hedge]

I have a redmi 9 if anything

[lofty haven]

Looks like the fold

[rose leaf]

I have a fold and it's not the same ratio, the fold has around a 4:5 ratio

[balmy pilot]

i just googled the resolution and it's the Samsung A7 Lite. Only 3GB RAM

[half tapir]

in wanna test if my phone still would overheat with that new resolution setting but i gotta wait until its out of alpha/beta lol

[spare pilot]

I've just recently got to test VRC mobile for 5 mins I put my phone on over clock just to play the game lol

I didn't last for too long before I overheat my phone, but despite It's still on over clocked I still have suffering with a lot of major lags
My phone is Poco X3 pro had 6 gb of ram and running with octa-core cpu

Any way to fix any issues alongside this?

[naive bluff]

Well... considering it's still in alpha right now, expect stuff like this to happen.

[hybrid tendon]

Hola

Gaaaaa

[shut ocean]

it is a mid-range phone, so this is something i'd expect even on a live platform. while it does meet minimum RAM requirements, it's running on silicon that technically debuted back in 2017, and thus probably the lowest you could run even in an empty world. Limit FPS to 30, and also set the graphics DPI to 20%. I have a Samsung Tab S7 that struggles with FPS as well, again down to it being an older chipset.

Generally Snapdragon 855 for Samsung/Snapdragon 8 Gen1 Generic or any high-end mobile chipsets from Exynos or Mediatek 2021 and newer are in the range to run mostly without problems at this stage. Good thing is, even with 17 people loaded at Sovern's Chill Home, VRC for Android only uses ~3.2GB, at least from background that I could see.

[nova ravine]

So what do we expect? Before December?

[rancid osprey]

My s23 runs vrchat pretty well

[echo wren]

Man I wish beta is here

[heady sparrow]

the thing I find most annoying about it

is the fact I need to open google authenticator for a code

which causes the app to reset

[hybrid tendon]

Ye, same goes with my S23+

[echo wren]

E point

[pliant pilot]

Roblox emote

[warm agate]

lol

man its fun sitting in bed with this thing lol

[junior dune]

What Avatar doesn't it support?

[grand zenith]

Very poor avis are not supported on phone

[hybrid tendon]

random question, when vrchat goes into beta, do you still need vrchat+ to access it?

[naive bluff]

That remains to be seen.

Likely they'll let everyone know.

[hybrid tendon]

alright

[junior dune]

Idk what poor means

I mean, what does it mean, ik what poor means

[naive bluff]

Very poor is... the next step down from "Poor".

[late sparrow]

I hope the beta is better quality for my phones 4gb of ram.

[naive bluff]

4GB of DRAM is not a whole lot for much of anything...

[late sparrow]

it's still fine apparently just keeps crashing me is all. qwq

[half tapir]

isnt even supported with 4GB RAM

[late sparrow]

I still managed to get it tbh ain't saying how tho it's my secret.

[half tapir]

installing a apk from somewhere aint a crazy secret

[late sparrow]

still I just consider it funny how it loads up with great quality and the gameplay I just crash.

[naive bluff]

Think that's why 6GB is the minimum.

[late sparrow]

at some point of course.

welp know what I'm doing when I get money. qwq

[naive bluff]

What phone do you have right now?

[late sparrow]

Celero 5G

you'd think sense it was new when I got it it'd have at least 6gb of ram apparently not. qwq

[half tapir]

yeah thought about that too when i read its a 5G phone

[late sparrow]

but alas it has 4gb of ram. qwq

probably gonna have to figure out how to do some goofy ahh ram hacking and make it so I have as much as possible without blowing up my phone.

[half tapir]

ah ok its one of the lower than $100 phones

Sliver

ah yes

[grand zenith]

Here are all the perf ranks:

• Excellent
• good
• Medium
• Poor - The lowest the phone can go to.
• Very Poor - Quest can use show avatar to see these.

[half tapir]

the last one might be on the chopping block for quest too

[grand zenith]

Yeah, for the best

[lucid badge]

waits insanely patiently for vrchat mobile to come out

[junior dune]

Yes, I want to play vrchat on the toilet

[lucid badge]

lmao

[junior dune]

Are you telling me there is another reason to want it on mobile phones?

[lucid badge]

yeah?

i dont have a pc

so mobile might be the only way to play

for me at least

[unkempt nimbus]

I felt a great disturbance in the force, as if millions of eboys cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced.

[grand zenith]

You can already do that on PC lol. Even better with fbt

[wheat crest]

If you can install more RAM on a phone you'll literally be one of the first people to ever do it

That's integrated into the SoC, good luck lol

[late sparrow]

I think I've partially done it I mean the quality is slightly better guess I need to delete some more stuff.

[rose leaf]

what do you mean "delete more stuff"

I'm not sure you know what RAM even is

[junior dune]

If you delete apps, those apps will not use RAM in the background

[late sparrow]

I downloaded an app off of a video on YouTube that Supposedly upgraded my ram and it took some storage so I'm trying to delete some big files so it'll work hopefully.

[junior dune]

Bro just downloaded ram

[late sparrow]

jit thats crazy. (I did it for the originality)

[rose leaf]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

RAM is a physical thing in your phone, or any system for that matter. it's where the processor holds data for running programs. RAM is significantly faster than the actual storage of the device, but it cannot hold data without power. in mobile devices like phones and tablets, RAM is either literally built into SOC (system on a chip, containing things like cpu, gpu, modem, etc), or a separate chip soldered down on the main board. it is not something you can upgrade. what you downloaded was at best bullshit, or at worst, malware. there are some phone manufacturers that will build in a system where some of the storage can be used as "extended ram" to be able to run more apps in the background without closing them, but it is not the same as having more physical RAM.

[junior dune]

And VRAM provided by OEMs is trash

[mortal solstice]

is it a known issue that audio just randomly dies and i have to restart the app?

or could it be someone's avatar crashing audio, it was a group public B.C world

[naive bluff]

👀 I mean, the app is still in alpha.

[mortal solstice]

hence asking if it's happened to other people x3

[split nymph]

Whats new? Vrchat finally opened the android version to everyone yet?

[naive bluff]

Nope.

[split nymph]

Damn

[hybrid tendon]

Looks nice on my galaxy fold 5

[hybrid tendon]

Not enough ram

[naive bluff]

What phone do you have?

[trail lagoon]

IOS when?

[trail lagoon]

oh cool

[dark path]

Pagefiles only work on rooted phones (it's also built into miui 14 for some reason)

[violet sequoia]

anyone try vrc mobile on a google pixel 4? Im planning on trying it out soon but haven't bought vrc+ yet

also how come theres been so little press on vrcmobile? Would've it be a bigger thing considering it's opening the game up to a whole new audience?

[naive bluff]

Probably because it's still in alpha?

[junior dune]

How much RAM does it have?

[naive bluff]

6 gigs.

[grizzled coral]

Yeah, it is alpha, meaning not feature complete and potentially in a rough state, don't want that to be the first impression of VRChat mobile.

[wicked lagoon]

How do I get passed this?

[junior dune]

Paying or waiting

You have no alt way

[wicked lagoon]

I already git vchat+ thingy just it won't let me click the other thingy

[junior dune]

The left one is if you haven't vrc+

So dw

[wicked lagoon]

Oh

Then how do I play it

[junior dune]

Is it the same account?

[wicked lagoon]

Ye

[junior dune]

Hum

Ask to support team

[wicked lagoon]

Kk thank u aa

[naive bluff]

What's your username?

[fathom compass]

What apk? Cause I'm having the same problem with it not being available (I replied to this so late TvT)

[naive bluff]

[twilit vine]

off of apkpure

[fathom compass]

Ah mk

I did that and it kept crashing me so much

[fathom compass]

Im confused why I can't get it, my phone version is a 12

[naive bluff]

Android 12?

[junior dune]

Why is android 12 bad?

[naive bluff]

It's not the Android version... it's more does it have enough DRAM?

[fathom compass]

I don't know how to find the ram

[naive bluff]

What phone do you have?

[fathom compass]

TCL 30xe 5g

[rose leaf]

that phone only has 4gb of ram

[fathom compass]

Damn

I have the apk one and it runs for a little bit but crashes and I can't join anyone and nobody can join me, and I can't leave my home world

[rose leaf]

yea no wonder

[naive bluff]

There's a reason it gives you that error in the Play Store, you know.

[junior dune]

True

[naive bluff]

I already know, you told me multiple times. 👀

How what?

You're gonna have to reask your question since this was a day or so ago.

Did you download from the Play Store or did you sideload it?

And... which version do you have? There's 4 and 6 gig variants of the Moto Stylus 5G.

I don't know.

I'm not the only one you can ask, you know.

[split nymph]

The new version is working well for me rn

Does that mean we won't have the chat box for the mobile version?

[grand zenith]

I know you can use the chat box with osc. Idk if there is an input for it yet

[junior dune]

It's alpha bro

[split nymph]

There's a chat box in the mobile settings

[hybrid tendon]

so has vrc come out on android yet?

[hybrid tendon]

When is is coming to iPhone

[olive drift]

The Google app store that the VrChat mobile alpha app isn't compatible with my device!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!😭😭😭😭

[gilded hedge]

same

(if that's what I have redmi 9)

[junior dune]

Play Store*

[junior dune]

No ETA

[shrewd ember]

can confirm that vrchat mobile works pretty well with Samsung Dex (turns a phone into desktop) only issue not being able to look around

[nova ravine]

All I know is they said it'll be out by the end of the year so I mean if I have $100 I would pay for it but all my money has to go towards my car. If it was like $50 for an entire year I would totally do it

[nova ravine]

I'm not alone!

Like nobody knows about Samsung dex and I feel like I'm all alone with this lol. Let's start a club

[shrewd ember]

haha ikr !!

[nova ravine]

Did you try connecting a controller to it?

[shrewd ember]

oh good idea

but vrchat on samsung dex is well made even guestures work

[nova ravine]

Since you have a Samsung pretty much any Bluetooth controller should work just fine. I've used my PS4 and switch pro controller on my phone before to play games so it should work

I can't wait for it to be free so I can get it and play it at work so I can be at work on VRChat and in real life. Go to a Waffle House on the moon. Which I have been to that one which is pretty cool

[shrewd ember]

xD

[half tapir]

You can use your controllers?

My Switch controller doesn't want to work on phones

[nova ravine]

what phone?

[half tapir]

Redmi Note 10 Pro

[nova ravine]

thats a good phone in general. you know how to put it in BT mode right?

[half tapir]

The controller?

[nova ravine]

yeah

[half tapir]

Yeah i use it often with my pc

[nova ravine]

make sure you've never paired it to your phone before

[nova ravine]

Has anyone gotten the new "movie glasses" that plug into your phone? I've been wondering with stuff like that how well it works

[junior dune]

Miui?

[muted kayak]

You are talking about the pro controller or joycons ?

[muted kayak]

Nreal Glasses ?

[nova ravine]

yeah, I know very little about them

[river osprey]

Guys I try steam link, it's useful without waiting but I hope it comes soon to every platform devices

[nova ravine]

Yeah but steam link is nothing more than a controller with a screen.

[muted kayak]

Steam Link isn't a device, but a app that you can download on some devices (like Android phone) where you can stream your main PC to your device

[half tapir]

Pro controller

[nova ravine]

I'm aware

But its basically wireless display with a controller.

I can do that with any desk

[elder quest]

It might have already been answered but does this app work with google cardboard ? or equivalent ?

[grizzled coral]

No, it is purely flatscreen only

[heady sparrow]

Technically

[calm ember]

don't

[heady sparrow]

It would w o r k but youd basically have a screen strapped to your head while you use some random bluetooth controller to move
no head movements tracking so you wouldnt get rotation
and a pretty horrible viewing experience

[hybrid tendon]

all i have to do now is just wait for the app to not require vrchat plus!!

woo

patience is key frfr

[grand zenith]

Meh, had vrc+ since it was in beta. Bet barely use the app version lol

[half tapir]

thats a lot of money

[hybrid tendon]

30 dollars in total spent for Android beta build of VRChat

That's from August until now, providing that you're using a monthly subscription

[half tapir]

for me 20

though i dont sub for more than one month in a row

[hybrid tendon]

Ah

[balmy pilot]

don't buy vrc+ if you only want the app lol

[hybrid tendon]

:)))

[calm ember]

They should remove vpoor from quest 😂

[junior dune]

I hate when companies don't allow you to make your own decisions.

[echo wren]

I still think is not responsible for vrc to allow v poor avatar to be view at all

Is like a crash button

[naive bluff]

Considering it crashes Quest... it's a good idea.

[hybrid tendon]

Imposter feature better be there soon

[faint forge]

most PC avis rate as very poor. I agree that people should learn avi optimization but trying to remove very poor avis or block them from being visible would cause yet another bout of mass backlash.

people just don't care. Their 3090 runs it just fine so the poor performance doesn't affect them.

this is coming from a PC player btw.

[half tapir]

Afaik this is only about the mobile platform

Pc is an entire different thing in terms of power that mobile platforms simply can't provide often. Especially not the Quest

While i understand people don't want to lose their content

Quest 2 already is a absolute dumpster fire right now

[faint forge]

just wish I saw more optimized avis. The correlation between "trusted user" and "very poor" is rediculous

[half tapir]

That platform is already on a cracking bridge

[faint forge]

please elaborate, I don't use quest 2

[half tapir]

It constantly crashes or runs out of RAM. Simply look sometimes in #quest-general

It's full of complaints

Vrchat got too demanding for that platform

[faint forge]

I started off with Quest 1 (and still use quest 1 as a PCVR headset) but I stopped using quest native after quest 2 launched and made quest 1 an afterthought. Seriously, it's like if Meta just didn't care about Quest 1 anymore, it was so messed up

[half tapir]

The update they rolled back also even contained the game literally freezing every 2 seconds simply in loading screen

[faint forge]

Doesn't Quest 3 have less RAM than Quest 2?

[half tapir]

Quest 3 has 2GB more

[faint forge]

I thought the complaint was that it had less

Quest 2 only had 6gb ram?!

I don't even wanna know how much quest 1 has

[half tapir]

Very poor on pc however is an entirely different thing. Especially with that large of a power difference between hardware and if you want to achieve specific things you sometimes gotta eat the very poor bullet

[half tapir]

4GB for the game

2GB reserved for OS, 4 for games available

[faint forge]

yeah, like if you want your avi to have a flashlight

[half tapir]

That would be simply poor

But there are enough things, especially gadgets or toys, that put you immediately into very poor no matter your rank before

Like some advanced pens for example using particles

GPU particles

Throwjoints usually too from what I saw

Yeah the toy/gadgets category has that often

[pearl mulch]

and the quest does not have dedicated vram so all of the textures go in regular Ram

[faint forge]

oof that's especially bad

[pearl mulch]

yeah so your average PC running vrchat has like four times the available Ram

[faint forge]

I see the problem now yeah

I do remember that performance wasn't great back when I played quest native on quest 1

[pearl mulch]

4 GB of RAM on the quest 1

[faint forge]

ouch

I still kinda hate that GPUs can't have upgradeable vram for some reason

[naive bluff]

'Cause it's soldered on.

[faint forge]

yeah but why

why not have socketed like regular ram

[naive bluff]

'Cause that's how the GPU do.

[faint forge]

I guess. I just think it's dumb that my GPU only has 8gb vram and the only way to get more vram would be to buy a whole new GPU

[pearl mulch]

there's soldered on because they need to be fast access and making it to where they're plugging slots would slow down the speeds considerably

[faint forge]

I really hope they figure out a way around that at some point

new connector type or something

[half tapir]

thats why i kinda want to go AMD with a new GPU.

they simply have more vram by default often

[faint forge]

The budget card I have is great but only has 8gb vram

[white pivot]

Is there any method to enable very poor avatar on mobile?

[naive bluff]

Nope.

It's been disabled for a reason.

[late sparrow]

yo I wonder if there's gonna be a update where you don't need vrc plus to play the mobile app. (just bringing a thought out of my head)

[grizzled coral]

VRC mobile only has that requirement because it is an alpha, a beta is feature complete, but buggy, an alpha is lacking features and is even buggier.

VRC doesn't want people's first impressions being this alpha.

[late sparrow]

understandable

[grand zenith]

Alpha: it works, go brake it plz.
Beta: it's basically ready to go.. Break it.
Live: it should no longer break.

[boreal ermine]

Who cares if people's first impressions are going to be an alpha!

Release it to the public already!

[grizzled coral]

Well, uh, VRChat cares, obviously.

[balmy pilot]

meanwhile, in another universe, you: "why did vrchat release this, it sucks!!"

[grand zenith]

Almost everything VRC does, goes through the normal pipeline of: Development, QA, Closed alpha, Open beta, Live.
The uncommon part is that the closed alpha requirement is only VRC+. Normally you have to know someone or be tangentially related to the feature.
Right now, they only want feedback from the power users, VRC+ is the easiest way to get those people.

[echo wren]

Just be patient and wait for a beta release

[junior dune]

Warnings exist for a reason

[lilac delta]

newest update crashes my phone everytime i open the main menu

[boreal moss]

The menu is bit wanky yeah.

I'll make a canny in short while

but at the moment it doesn't really scale well at least to my screen.

[hybrid tendon]

My world completely refuses to run any of it's UdonSharp scripts on the VRChat mobile alpha lol. It works on every other platform but the android alpha

The UdonGraph scripts run somewhat fine, tho

[half tapir]

Its not up to date to live

[hybrid tendon]

Yeah, I figured as such

[half tapir]

Previous vrchat versions and new sdk versions handle udon stuff differently

[hybrid tendon]

Yeah. I have noticed that from some slightly outdated versions of VRChat I had previously

[half tapir]

So any world uploaded with newest sdk version break on Android

[hybrid tendon]

It strangely has UdonGraph run okay sometimes, so I assume something there is handled

The only reason I know this is due to me using UdonGraph for a few of my old scripts that still need updating

[half tapir]

For me in my world the avatar pedestal stuff toggles luckily i run via unity default UI toggle scripts

So these still work as they don't depend on udon at all

But video players etc broke

[dire zinc]

my phone can run the video players and stuff

but it does have a static mic and runs about 17 FPS even though i have a snapdragon 8 Gen 1 and 8GB of ram with a 2GB Ram boost so that makes it 10GB

so yeah, VRC needs to fix quite abit of stuff

[junior dune]

Ram boost is for background apps

[dire zinc]

I am aware

[grim hare]

There was an android client update! my udon scripts work!!!!

I wish they would let us know when this happens

[native igloo]

They usually post to docs.vrchat.com but this time be not.
(so....you better check release note on app detail page every day.... be often ideal.)

[grim hare]

i actually checked 2 days ago since i think there was an update? but no update notes

[paper fjord]

Hi VRChat folks, have you seen the announcement from Zappar. They want to launch Zapbox for Android later this year. It's a kind of cardboard headset but with bluetooth controllers - and it looks better. This would be perfect for VRChat on Android
https://www.zappar.com/zapbox/

[naive bluff]

Uhhh...

The fuck is that?

[calm ember]

google cardboard and the likes are a mistake for VR

[barren field]

I don't see why all the mixed reality aspects would make it suited for vrchat, you also need to constantly have a QR code like thing in your phone's vision all the time or you lose tracking which I imagine would get tiring quick

I like the concept but the price is just too low to make anything good enough for gaming, depending what the actual view through the goggles looks like though it might be good for educational demonstrations

[paper fjord]

Don't you think it would be better for VRChat than just use your android phone? The Quest2 is basically only some kind of an advanced android phone with controllers 😄
The question is of course if they can get enough apps to implement their SDK.

[boreal moss]

Indeed horrible idea, the Google Cardboard essentially ruined the entire reputation of Virtual Reality that tragedy does not need to be repeated. Horrifying idea that was essentially discontinued by anyone even tried because they realized it's outright bad.

[boreal moss]

Don't you think it would be better for VRChat than just use your android phone? The Quest2 is basically only some kind of an advanced android phone with controllers 😄

Well, you're quite wrong in that aspect, while it does run Android on the background. It's pretty much nothing like a "Phone with controllers" it a purpose built device for "immersive VR" (subjective) but you're not going to match that experience with a phone ever.

Saying it's a phone with controllers would be same as saying a moped is a motorcycle. Looks similar yet is nothing a like.

The question is of course if they can get enough apps to implement their SDK.

Unlikely, the industry learnt from their failure already years ago. It was failure both financially and in terms of the reputation of Virtual Reality, that's why most people still think it as some toy.

As side note, I have nothing against cheap VR solutions and I am all for it, but if it's total garbage I couldn't care less because it will just cause more harm than good. So, if it truly is on the level of Google CardBoard then, no it is a bad idea because it does not have good reputation.

[native igloo]

Google be rollout update in somewhat region by region so it often be like that...

[boreal moss]

Okay, that's nice. It has nothing to do with VR though.

Not really since the application does not provide support for "split-screen" mode which means the viewport being split into two different virtual screens. And Google has pretty much deprecated support for this functionality. It's on it's way on being removed off Android.

https://docs.unity3d.com/es/2019.4/Manual/com.unity.xr.googlevr.android.html <-- deprecated

[boreal moss]

Please, don't start arguing with this. Since I know exactly how it would work and what you're looking for is horrible experience. And the link above 👆 is something that would be required to make it work. And it's completely deprecated and it's not something that is supported anymore. Thus it is very unlike VRChat wastes their time implementing it.

Yes, as long you have VRChat account with active VRChat+ subscription

Yes, well it still obviously works, "deprecated" means it's not supported anymore and it's on verge of just entirely being removed. And Google has removed all VR dependencies from Android since 11 and iirc Android 14 doesn't support it anymore at all.

Yes well, it is a shame indeed. But it was not that great experience to begin with, because you were limited to 3 DoF tracking with basically no controllers at all, if you had one it was not that great. And it only worked on limited range of devices, caused nausea and was overall janky.

[calm ember]

I'll point back to this

[boreal moss]

And also just a cherry on top, VRChat updated to Unity 2022 recently which removed all support for Google CardBoard or anything a like.

[calm ember]

I don't think I even want to google that

[boreal moss]

Me neither...

Because it was already cheap, and Quest 3 came out, and Meta is a company worth of billions that is capable of losing money to tie people into their ecosystem so they buy games thus they get money. Just like Steam.

[calm ember]

Facebook's grabby hands on your PII/Data subsidised it for you 😉

[boreal moss]

Yes you can, it is live-compatible. And if it wasn't you could still play with people on the same version and join worlds, etc.

Now you're just dreaming yeah.

Sorry, I didn't meant to be blunt but... It's not possible.

Very unlikely, face tracking is done through IR cameras and your average smartphone doesn't have such.

IR stands for Infra red.

Sure, I don't deny it's possible, but it probably won't be that good quality unless you got very good Camera on your phone.

Also there is privacy concerns there definitely.

Precisely

Anyways, I will just say, it is unlike the Android version will ever get VR support

and it is unlike you'll have good performance unless you got high-end phone

even my mid-end and high-end chips get on their knees by just having few players

Snapdragon 778G 5G and Snapdragon 888 barely can handle the game at like 30-50 fps ish with like 10 players and Quest avatars.

It is not even close to release, it's at too rough stage. It's not really enjoyable experience.

It is Open-Beta as far you got VRChat+ the reason they did this is so they can first get feedback from "power users" so the people who actually play the game lot.

So they can nitpick about the minor detail that annoys them.

They would, but the quality of the feedback would be worse. That's the thing.

Sometimes quality over quantity is better.

I do.

If it does not involve me buying you VRChat+ subscription for that Google Play card, then feel free to message me.

Though, preferrably let's talk here, no?

[hybrid tendon]

still happily waiting for vrchat mobile to not require vrc+ :D (im broke okay)

[nova ravine]

Oh yeah $100 is a lot of money even if it's just for like a second. So we don't know anything yet?

[swift token]

We're still in testing and iteration, and aren't comfortable just yet releasing to the wide public, as we'd be releasing an experience we're not quite happy with yet. So, managed access for the moment.

[nova ravine]

If you guys dropped it to like $50 a year, I'd be happy and so would a lot of other people. I'd jump on board.

also Dex Mode! Yall should look into it and make it a thing. I would love that when I'm in my kitchen.

[native igloo]

At current world economic condition, drop price as it is be not realistic.
So instead, have tier style for VRC+
You get less feature, if you pay less, while you pay more, you get more feature.
Maybe possible this way.
(anyway, canny feature request if people really want)

[nova ravine]

yeah that would be understandable at least.

But lets not forget how many people are already a VRC+ member, realistically, do they NEED the 100 a year? No. they could with 50 easily.

Think of all the services you likely pay for, do you need to pay nearly 60+ a month for internet? No, there are millions with the same services. They do that cause it's money in their pockets. Think about how much CEOs of the company makes basically.

[balmy pilot]

for the love of pete do not buy vrc+ just to get the mobile app it's not there yet

[grand zenith]

I've had vrc since vrc+ was in beta.
The only feature I care about is the fact that now I can change my UI colour.
If you're only reason to get it is to get onto mobile alpha, it's not worth it.
It's only really useful if you are a really active player, want extra storage, are a visitor rank and want to upload, or just wanna support vrc.

[nova ravine]

who is pete?

yeah that's what I was thinking too, I have no reason to get it other than being on my phone. Which is why I've been considering a windows tablet

[grand zenith]

Most people are saying that beta will probably be open for more people. ||This is not a ganache just common.||
But that will takes some time.

[nova ravine]

I'm wondering, who here uses Dex mode on their Galaxy phone?

[rose leaf]

I use it whenever I go to hotels or to my grandparents

last time I was at my grandparents, I used my old s10 to let my dad and his dad play an NES golfing game they used to play. had a gamepad connected to the phone via bluetooth, and had the game running in an emulator in a browser

[nova ravine]

I do that too!

Do you have a mouse and keyboard for it?

[rose leaf]

I've got a little bluetooth "gamepad" thingy that has a trackpad and keyboard

actually well it's not bluetooth, it has a USB dongle, but that's fine because I use a type C hub for the HDMI that also has 2x usb ports

[nova ravine]

I have a Logitech k380 and a Logitech mouse as well but I can't remember which one it is It says on the bottom but it's at home right now. I also had this little miniature keyboard that's really cool It can be either like a regular thumb keyboard or it can be a controller. Is it black with two red bumper buttons at the top?

[rose leaf]

it's something like this

it has like everything lol

[nova ravine]

Oh I saw that micro Center

[rose leaf]

I also use it whenever I bring my PC/index to friend's places, so I don't need to bring a keyboard or mouse

bro no way there's an RGB version

[nova ravine]

This looks like an upgraded version of my current one period I wish they would put the trackpad to like the left or the right. The right would be the best

I couldn't find it for a while and I looked straight down in my mom's car next to the passenger seat and it slipped down

[nova ravine]

Okay help me out trying to figure something. Is it possible to use Dex mode on your own phone through the secondary display mode?

[half tapir]

Dex mode?

[rose leaf]

like, turn the phone itself into the dex enviroment?

[hollow galleon]

I got stuck after logging in .

I deleted the app and redownloading it from #android-announcements i dont know if there is a new bèta version?

Does that solve my problem?
Im on Android samsung A54

[nova ravine]

yes!

I would love that

[barren field]

Eyestrain go brr

[naive bluff]

Who's your ISP?

[hollow galleon]

Isp?

[naive bluff]

Internet Service Provider.

[supple trout]

One question: why.

I dont want to pay for anything oof

[supple trout]

Ive meet alot of people have vrchat plus. Whats the number difference?

Or do not alot of people have the membership?

[nova ravine]

lmao I didn't realize (and no one corrected me) that I was in the wrong chat.

[boreal moss]

Yes, most people do not have VRChat+

as for actual numbers, who knows. Not public data

but it is quite obvious it's very small minority

[tough tangle]

I think it’s the fact that playing on such an optimized device and not something like a quest, rift, pc, ect• you need VRC+ to get it. This is a total random guess and i had a stroke half way typing it, lmao.

[naive bluff]

Orrrr... it's because it's an alpha build.

It's got a lot of stuff to iron out.

[tough tangle]

True

[naive bluff]

If they released it publicly in this state, there'd be a lot of backlash.

[tough tangle]

I feel like since the fact that some people have VRC+, it would be better to just keep it as that due to if it was VRC+ free, also saying that if you didn’t need VRC+ to play, there would be way to many people on the platform and it might crash for most people.

I’m not saying they should keep it like that, but I kinda like it like that. Also not arguing or anything.

[naive bluff]

Sucks there's no text chat option.

[grand zenith]

I mean.. You can still send text chats via osc :p

[naive bluff]

On mobile?

[naive bluff]

What device do you have?

[rose leaf]

don't xiaomi phones not come with google play services?

[naive bluff]

Quite possible.

[grand zenith]

I'm on a pixel 6.
I just pointed a script I had laying around my phone, and it worked lol.

[half tapir]

how do you do OSC on phone?

Dont you need a program running on your pc for that?

also i wouldnt know a OSC program that does have a android apk

all i know are exe

therefore windows only

[balmy pilot]

mocopi uses osc

on the phone

[half tapir]

Yeah but anything else? Like the chatbox thing mentioned here?

[grand zenith]

So where I was testing using osc on my computer. As long as you have something to run the code, you can send data to any endpoint.

Though I am tempted to make a simple app to bridge this temporary gap lol

[lusty hazel]

Why is it telling me there is an update?

[half tapir]

Cause that version afaik is still not up to date to live

[lusty hazel]

That banner should probably be adjusted to only display if there is an update for the platforms you are on

[half tapir]

Given udon worlds with sdk 3.4.0 break on Android currently

[lusty hazel]

[silk iron]

is there a way i can access the game on my phone? i run on a huawei P20 lite and it tells me my device is incompatible with the game.

[rose leaf]

that phone only comes with 3gb/4gb of ram, below the minimum requirement of 6

[silk iron]

oh, i didn't know that. i need a new phone anyways so i'll look out for that when i get a new one in the future, cheers for letting me know.

[junior dune]

It's Huawei

[silk iron]

i've got my eyes on a way youger samsung now. it's not within my usual price range but eh. my phones have always been slow so i got an 8GB in mind

[naive bluff]

👀 Miiiiight wanna rephrase that.

[amber crater]

vrchat for 4gb ram when????

waiting

[gusty snow]

probably never, as Quest 2 with its 6GB is very often running out of memory to run it already

[rugged veldt]

Got it running on the front screen of the flip5

[orchid owl]

Is the game free yet for android users?

[native igloo]

not yet at that stage.

[orchid owl]

Oh darn

Tbh i rather buy nitro before vrchat because my phone can handle nitro but not so much vrchat even though it has 6gbs of ram

[nova ravine]

Look let's just get it on the next Nintendo switch okay. You guys need to get a dev kit

Okay so I'm wondering something, if a world specifically states that it's request does that mean it's for Android in general and will that be switched up to say it's for Android in general? Being that the quest is obviously android-based

Or will we be keeping things like quest and Android separate and then we'll have worlds for Android only?

[pearl mulch]

any world that can be experienced on Quest can be visited by Android

[gritty steppe]

Has anyone having issues of vrchat crashing with the new update

[grim hare]

I got that same message, but my sdk 3.4.0 world started working again from an android update on the 15th/16th!

[dusty pike]

It says that my phone doesn't support the current version, but I'm pretty sure it can, my phone can run mostly anything as its a Google Pixel, is there something I'm doing wrong?

[rose leaf]

which pixel is it specifically?

[dusty pike]

Pixel 3a XL

[rose leaf]

that only has 4GB of ram, the minimum requirement is 6

[dusty pike]

Ah

[rose leaf]

4gb is how much the quest 1 had, and that already barely ran

quest 2 has 6gb and it's already kinda a shit show

[dusty pike]

Yeah

[rose leaf]

luckily, mobile doesn't allow Very Poor avatars

so it's a lot better

[velvet whale]

Is there a badge or anything for using the alpha version?

[hybrid tendon]

Oh wow, that's epic

[spiral prairie]

That's awesome! But now I need to try it LOL.

[boreal moss]

Well, Android is an even more limiting platform so it's likely they'll just keep it with Quest limits.

There is no good reason to switch those.

[nova ravine]

I figured

[boreal moss]

And they did disable VeryPoors already

Which is a shame yeah

[hybrid tendon]

[grand zenith]

Imo very poor being gone on Android is a good thing.

[paper bane]

not when half ur avatar catalog is verypoor on quest ;-;

[pearl mulch]

That's on the Avatar makers not optimizing

[grand zenith]

Not really an issue if people follows the warnings on the vrc docs.
But not everyone just shader swaps their pc avatar lol.

[boreal moss]

I didn't know you can even do that...

doesn't Quest have already definitive limits

such as not being able to use more than 15 MB of texture memory or exceed like 70k polys

[half tapir]

Quest doesn't have much limits optimization wise

Only physbones and download size iirc

Also no sounds, shaders and constraints

But i think that's it

[grand zenith]

Yeah, file size and physbones are the hard limits. Some things are. Not allowed at all. But other than that. You technically can just upload it.

I've seen an avatar that had over 100 materials on quest. Lol.
People don't care about perf rank and it's really sad. It makes the game unplayable and crashes often.

[pearl mulch]

how do you even do a hundred materials with the 10 MB file size limit

[nova ravine]

So why is vrc+ 100

[thorny star]

what

[brisk trellis]

The microphone quality in the Android app is still quite poor. Is there a workaround or do you have to be patient?

[dark path]

does it sound better in other apps?

[brisk trellis]

Yes

[hybrid tendon]

do you think very poor avatars would work in the beta version?

[grand zenith]

No, they are never coming to the phone vertion.
#android-dev message

[hybrid tendon]

ohh

damn

[grand zenith]

People need to optimize their avatars anyway.
So its not a big problem.

[hexed iris]

True that, that's what I'm doing with all my 35 avatars. Some look janky with 15,000 polygons or less, but if it works with mobile, that's fine by me. =w='

[half tapir]

20k would also work

That's what my avatars are

[quasi crow]

Can anyone help me download vrchat mobile i signed up to be a tester and when I went to Download it. it says not compatible

[naive bluff]

Your phone isn't powerful enough to run it.

[supple spruce]

No longer relying on Android

Well Android phone that is

w<

[naive bluff]

Uh... congrats?

Wrong channel though.

[supple spruce]

I know but I had previous conversations regarding me attempting to use Android but no success on that

But yeah content related to that won't be posted on here by me. My apologies for that anyways

[sour spade]

Should I get a meta quest 2 or meta quest 3

I needa know if £400 is worth it for meta quest 3 or if I should just get the £300 meta quest 2

[tight pollen]

So uh running vr chat on android phone is bad?

[sour spade]

Are you talking to me?

[naive bluff]

Read the channel.

[hybrid tendon]

get quest 3 u will have so much better expirience

[hybrid tendon]

@quasi crow @naive bluff
if you're under 18, it'll show up as incompatible on the store. have to make another store account. That's what some said

[quasi crow]

Ok thx

[hybrid tendon]

Worth getting Quest 3. Quest 2 is older, spare parts will be rarer. Quest 3 has pancake lenses, bigger too.
Alternative is a Pico 4. But that's more if you want to do a detailed examination of the headsets, and compare which is more suited for you.

[hybrid tendon]

Not inherently. If your device is compatible, it can run it. But you can't see very poor avatars. For now it costs VRC+.

[boreal ermine]

-_-

[boreal ermine]

Quest 2 is still competent, has better battery life and is overall better. But if you want to spend $500 on a "better" headset, I'm not stopping you

[hybrid tendon]

with that logic, get a used old windows mre. If you're not going to get the headset you'll get the most out of for the buck

[naive bluff]

👀 No, it's usually due to your phone's model.

[half tapir]

For VRChat? Eh, with how many people complain about oom issues and crashing i wouldn't say that

Though quest 2 never was appealing to me cause of IPD

It had presets you couldn't change in between

I've a very low IPD and Quest 3 would be the next fully supporting my range again

There are very few headsets i can use due to that fact

One of the reasons i still have a Quest 1

Though a lighter headset with pancake lenses is very appealing

Quest 1 is a brick

Also, I wouldn't go for the older with my experience at all anymore

With meta get the newest

Got my Quest 1 from ebay in 2020

If anything did ever fully break my headset would be ready for the trash bin

There are absolutely no replacement parts you were able to buy even before quest 2 already released

Anything broke = well get fucked

[hollow zenith]

Fr Fr

[half tapir]

My controllers are already barely holding together

I need new headset asap

[hollow zenith]

It can’t be that bad

[half tapir]

Both rings are cracked open and are continually disintegrating even more

Tracking got bad as a result

Loses tracking constantly

Fails to track even while moving controllers

[hollow zenith]

I felt that on a personal level

[half tapir]

I still watch the next Crack on the other side getting slowly bigger and bigger again

This time it would mean a big chunk will fell off once it finishes

So yeah gonna buy a Quest 3 as soon as possible

[hybrid tendon]

@naive bluff see this thread. Unless you have a better reason why two devices with the same account (phones others can play with) doesn't work, and why it worked when suddenly switching to an 18+ account, I think you meant to say "yes" in response to me.

[naive bluff]

Rating.

Paraspace is rated M, VRC is rated T.

AKA one is 17+, the other is 13+.

[hybrid tendon]

Well then I say yes in response to you then

[naive bluff]

Woo!

[sour spade]

Alr I just baught it

I got this one

[obsidian onyx]

did they add haptics to quest users??

my controllers buzz every time i touch someone

[naive bluff]

Wrooooong channel.

[obsidian onyx]

oops youre right i havent been here in a hot minute

[naive bluff]

[obsidian onyx]

i thought android meant quest LOLLL

[naive bluff]

Well, they use the same basic runtime but this is for the mobile app.

(Yes, there's finally VRC on your phone)

[cerulean nest]

Glitches in quest aftershave lags every millisecond 😦

[grand zenith]

What

[barren field]

What

[robust jungle]

I have a question. What are some devices that fit the requirements for VRChat mobile?

None of my Android devices are compatible with it.

[grizzled coral]

6GB of RAM and android 10 or above.

The at least 6GB is important since that is the same as the Quest 2 and it is itself struggling hard with that "little" even with its OS optimized for gaming.

[robust jungle]

Do you have a list of examples?

[grizzled coral]

I have run it on a 4GB phone, but it not great.

[grizzled coral]

Any phone with 6GB and Android 10 should work, if it doesn't then that would be odd.

There is no list because the minimum is so open.
I have run it on a Samsung A52s 5g.

[robust jungle]

All of my devices have 2 or 3GB

I have a motorola one 5G ace

[grizzled coral]

4GB is what the Quest 1 used and it isn't supported anymore (for Meta forcing reasons, but the RAM situation made things bad).
Forcing it to run on anything below 6GB should only be done for testing, it certainly won't run well or be stable.

[grizzled coral]

And it can have either 4GB or 6GB.

[robust jungle]

It still says my device isn't compatible with the current version

[naive bluff]

What device do you have?

[robust jungle]

Motorola one 5G ace

[naive bluff]

Not enough RAM.

[robust jungle]

Fuck

Any recommendations on a phone with 6GB or more ram?

[naive bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lilac delta]

New would be all i think

[hybrid tendon]

Weird

I'm on a Samsung galaxy s9+

It was working before

Now its this to

[dark path]

from digging ive done, the poco f5 is decent. 12GB ram snapdragon 7+ gen 2 for £350-£370

[tough tangle]

ik im putting this in the android area and its a different device, but when does anyone think vrchat will come out on iphones?

[dark path]

never

apples unity sdk isn't free last I checked. plus android asset bundles dont work on it.

[exotic relic]

Bottom of #android-announcements

[tough tangle]

alr thanks

[hybrid tendon]

Wait, isn't vrchat available on phone?

[hybrid tendon]

Does vrchat work on any samsung galaxies at all

Mines a A14

[grand zenith]

Does it have 6 gigs of ram? If yes, then yes, else no.

[solemn ibex]

Hii

How do I play VRChat mobile?

Without VRChat Plus

[half tapir]

you dont

[solemn ibex]

No;-;

When will the final version of the beta come out?

[lilac delta]

not

[solemn ibex]

It's OK

[grand zenith]

You'll have to wait several months to a year before you can.

[solemn ibex]

That sad

[hybrid tendon]

So i looked

And

Lowkey sad my phone has 4 gigs of ram

[native igloo]

?
Don't spam mention people.

[dark path]

I can't even find the context.

They did ping the 2 police rp group leads tho.

At least mudd is linked to shield.

Both don't support mobile.
Shield use very poor avis.
LPD is pc only

[hybrid tendon]

What the hell...

[quasi crow]

Can I use a moto g stylus 5G (2022) for mobile

[naive bluff]

No, this only has 4GB of RAM.

[mortal solstice]

Any way to stop VRChat from constantly switching between portrait and landscape?

Seems to be causing most of my crashes lol

[grizzled coral]

You can do that very easily on your phone in the meantime, just turn off autorotation.
Hopefully your phone doesn't stick to portrait with it off, my Samsung allows me to force rotation even with it off with an icon at the right-most section of the back-home-appswitcher bar.

[merry raptor]

my audio breaks very frequently

i think it's around every 5 minutes, everything just goes silent

it may be an issue for my phone because the audio sometimes breaks on other things but it is noticeably worse on vrchat mobile (though it's understandable)

[hexed iris]

I have the same issue with my Galaxy Z Fold 3, only a lot less frequent with the recent updates, but yes, the audio still goes completely out whenever there's major freezing lasting more then 3 seconds, with the only fix being to close the app completely and opening it back up again.

[lusty hazel]

It's a known issue afaik

[hybrid tendon]

I've been living under a rock and by living under a rock I mean busy with IRL and inactive in vrchat. Is this still only for VRC+ as it was last I knew or is it open to all? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I've just got a full plate and haven't had time to keep up with this

[hybrid tendon]

First off, you're not asking a dumb question.
Second, yes, it is still only for VRC+

They will make an announcement when VRC mobile comes into place for all players to have access to

But for now, a lot of polishing and bug squashing still need to be done

[hybrid tendon]

Thanks 🙂 one of these days I'll be able to spare some money for the subscription and use the mobile based version for an insane project I've been working on in the music industry! And then I write it off on taxes hahaha

I won't recommend it if I were you

Maybe wait until they release it fully

Unless if you have a lot of money to spare to begin with

[grand zenith]

Yeah, I've had vrc+ since it came out in beta lol.
It's not worth it. lol.

[remote temple]

android

[thorny star]

so true bestie

[remote temple]

ios

[finite cairn]

get in the van that says free candy

/j

[remote temple]

https://tenor.com/view/kakashi-thumbs-up-naruto-gif-15792601

[lilac delta]

i love the new vrchat update! it's like that old vrc tracker app on android is now native from vrchat! tip tho: dark mode XD

[remote temple]

bark mode

😩

[half tapir]

I can't login anymore?

It says login failed, check username and password

It's 100% correct since pasted by password manager

Yeah Website still works with same credentials

Tried it with email too

Doesn't work either

[little halo]

I experienced this too. Made a canny post.
https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/native-uiandroid-alpha-cant-login

[half tapir]

Oh it's 2fa related? Ffs

[little halo]

A temporary fix is changing your password so you can login now

[half tapir]

Yeah new password doesn't work either

So it's 2fa

But i ain't disabling that. Already takes ages for my alt accounts for the code emails to arrive

[little halo]

Weird I disabled 2fa and still didn't work but the password change did. So it seems like both are broken

[lusty hazel]

I have 2fa and it works fine for me

didn't need to change anything for it, just logged in normally and it worked

[worn drum]

Pixel 7 pro always has white bar at the bottom now

Wonder if anyone else having same issue or if it's something I've done xd

[naive bluff]

That would be... navigation.

[worn drum]

Ya I'm aware of what it is, weird that it's now just making it a white bar since update

Gesture navigation leaves it transparent, it's vrchat making it white

[naive bluff]

Do you have an app with "draw over apps" permission?

[worn drum]

Many, but vrchat is the only one with this behavior

Quick example with Minecraft because quick to open xd

For whatever reason, vrchat is just setting navbar (home gesture) space as white

[naive bluff]

Could be an alpha thing.

[worn drum]

It is relevant to the new update tho, wasn't happening before

Makes me wonder if that bottom bar for the home screen is persisting when it shouldn't

[naive bluff]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[loud ledge]

hmm

[hybrid tendon]

Last time I played VRChat on mobile: September 22nd

That reminds me though. I shall test something with it later

[half tapir]

Welp now i won't be able to see that new UI anyways anymore. My VRC+ expired

[naive bluff]

Your problem is, Xiaomi.

You need Google Play Services, which Xiaomi doesn't have.

[loud ledge]

Is this the one I understand?

[naive bluff]

Did you have to manually install it?

[loud ledge]

It seems like it's always been there, I haven't touched it

strange..............

[trim panther]

Honestly not a fan of the menu when you open the game, would be nice if there was an option to disable it or just automatically load into the game without having to basically go through the website to load into the game

[worn drum]

Any Xiaomi device running MIUI is fully supported for google play

Poco f3 included

[worn drum]

It's very likely just google play bugging, reboot and try again, or you could use Aurora store to install it (open-source play store frontend essentially, everything is still downloads through play servers) https://auroraoss.com/