android-dev

[long storm]

righting a wrong isn't hypocritical

but I can understand your frustration

[spark spade]

i understand that they default by hiding very poor but deleting it will force me to update so many avis, some which i dont have the files for anymore

[vapid orchid]

You don't have to optimize for mobile, you know.

[brave fjord]

exactly

[spark spade]

i like to include other people when i upload avatars

thats why i try top convert most of my avis to quest

[brave fjord]

although I don't see why being expected to optimize overall is normalized. If someone put their hard work onto an avatar but can't really optimize it by much. They shouldn't be pressured or expected to

[brave fjord]

I get that but not everyone can do that. There are tools but some people say the lose tools don't help all that much. If very little

Plus that's more time consuming to the other people

[long storm]

the unfortunate fact of the matter is that mobile/quest devices are tragically underpowered compared to PC

if you really cared about inclusivity you would start with the quest version of an avatar as the base and then just port that to PC, that would be a lot easier

[spark spade]

hmmm.. yes? i just spent 20 minutes explaining that forcing ppl to overly optimized quest content by deleting a whole category of ranking is lame

[long storm]

Then start with the quest version instead. Porting to PC takes care of itself at that point.

[brave fjord]

That would be easier. Sounds easier at least

[brave fjord]

So are you on the side of forcing people to optimize is stupid? I'm co fused sorry

[long storm]

as far as I know there is literally nothing that's compatible with quest that isn't compatible with PC

[brave fjord]

I think whats annoying is it feels like people upload quest only avatars to be petty to PC Users

Like haha you can't see my avatar

[long storm]

well that's totally fair, that's just daily life for a quest user

[brave fjord]

I just find it annoying and petty XD

[spark spade]

when you create a game, do you first create the lowest version possible and then add features on it????

[tight quail]

Very Poor isn't actually optimized for quest

[long storm]

I'm not the one that cares about feature parity between quest and PC here.

I have like 2-3 fallbacks for questies to see and I'm perfectly happy with that.

[tight quail]

Yeah I don't have complete feature parity on mine because it just isn't feasible. Quest/Android version is just so those users can see me instead of a fallback.

You're not going to get different outfits or a bunch of props.

[spark spade]

of course feature parity is not fully possible between platforms obviously.

[tight quail]

(which is why I generally have different avatar slots for different outfits)

[long storm]

Exactly. So you have options: if you want to be inclusive, make the quest version of an avatar first - porting to PC is ezpz. If you you want higher fidelity / bells and whistles, start with the PC version, and just accept the fact that you're going to have to put in additional work to make that avatar compatible with quest. It's just a limitation of the hardware, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Like, it sucks that they waited until now to pull the trigger on this - I get it - but this is how it always should have been

[gritty shard]

also like the Imposter system is coming out in the future so if the Avatar can't be squashed onto Quest without being very poor less of an issue if it can't get uploaded at all?

[long storm]

given how long it's taken them to implement features the community has been kicking and screaming for I would just keep the imposter (I fucking hate that name) system out of mind until it's in open beta or something

love the devs so much but until players see it that's an empty promise

[brave fjord]

I agree with Teeh

(I hate the name too, why Imposter??)

(Among Us joke much?)

[gritty shard]

imposters are already a term used in 3D art assets https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems3/part-iv-image-effects/chapter-21-true-impostors

https://shaderbits.com/blog/octahedral-impostors

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/programming/imposters

[long storm]

fuck this reason for using the name

I don't pronounce gif with a 'j'

[tight quail]

it's been the term for the system since before among us was a thing

[gritty shard]

and is an accurate description of what it's doing

[tight quail]

it's like complaining they use the term "avatar" or "menu"

[long storm]

imposter has a negative connotation associated with it

if we're going by established precedent why not roll back the decision to hide VP avatars on mobile

[gritty shard]

any other synonyms would have the same problem as far as oh dear your evil duplicate

[long storm]

'hologram'

'doppelganger'

'clone'

[gritty shard]

honestly wouldn't surprise me if vrc goes harder and removes very poor avatars all together from Quest

[tight quail]

doppleganger means exactly the same thing as impostor

clone is already used for avatars

[gritty shard]

I'm not sure they should have to avoid the word just because of a popular video game

[long storm]

I never even brought up among us LMAO

[gritty shard]

okay so what negative connotation are you referring to

[long storm]

Impostor has had negative connotation associated with it since before video games???? Impostor implies intent to decieve

[gritty shard]

doppelganger would mean the same thing

[long storm]

got me

strike that one out then

[tight quail]

hologram might work but doesn't quite have the same look as what people think of as holograms

clone is out since avatar cloning is already a thing and that would be confusing

[long storm]

did you see the impostors. did you look at that and say "oh, that's an impostor"

[brave fjord]

That's not the same at all. Now if we called them Skins I would be annoyed

Difference between an Avatar and a SKIN

[gritty shard]

honestly why would skins and avatars be different?

[tight quail]

it is absolutely the same lol. impostor name has nothing to do with among us

[brave fjord]

Because? A SKIN would be a different texture of an AVATAR

An avatar is a different MODEL

I can't believe I have to explain this to adults

[long storm]

where does among us keep coming from

[tight quail]

this

[long storm]

oh fair

[gritty shard]

I could probably find plenty of games where skin is any alternative variation even a different model

[brave fjord]

Because "Imposter" just sounds like a Aming Us joke

[brave fjord]

Games call them skins

Other games

VRC calls them avatars

[gritty shard]

so it does not work as a technical term for denoting texture swaps from different models

[brave fjord]

So because they call different models avatars it would be skins for textures

Why do you think a lot fo creators that sell textures call them Skins or Retextures?

This for example. Or the Thyenid Toggles. The textures for that model is called Skins

[tight quail]

this has nothing to do with the conversation which already had nothing to do with the channel topic. just arguing semantics here (language is always evolving and flexible and words can change meaning over time)

[brave fjord]

As it does for everything else

But still the imposters term is weird, and I agree with Teeh

[tight quail]

Imposter is fine as a term because that's the name of the technical system is uses. Who knows if they'll change it but they're focused on just getting it working for now.

Optimize your avatars, they're not going to add VP back.

[brave fjord]

Well they haven't even put it in Beta.

So its just an empty promise as Teeh has mentioned

[brave fjord]

How about no?

[tight quail]

they never actually made any promises and just showed up stuff that was in development

[brave fjord]

When you're being pressured or demanded to do it, it seems rude

[long storm]

the terms "master" and "slave" were ratified into the PATA standard, fwiw

[brave fjord]

I honestly hope they push it out tho.

[long storm]

'it's a technical term' is a weak argument on its own merit

[tight quail]

It's rude to flood the dev channel complaining about Very Poor being gone constantly when people look to it to learn how to actually fix up their stuff for android

[long storm]

You're an accomplice 😛

[tight quail]

ah yes because "imposter" totally has the racist connotations of master and slave and is totally the same

[gritty shard]

it seems like a spooky ghost is a lot less problematic than slavery

[long storm]

I could have chosen a less extreme example but I wanted to prove my point

[gritty shard]

and like yes the point is to deceive the user into thinking it's a 3d model instead of a bunch of PNG

[long storm]

I'll give you that

I still think it's a shit name

[brave fjord]

Okay either way, Imposter is a dumb term and hope it gets changed because this wouldn't make sense. Or it would but it's stupid

Doesn't matter if OTHER people are using it. They aren't VRChat. Games don't have to use every term other games do.

[long storm]

I think we've gone on with this long enough, let's give it a rest

[brave fjord]

At the end of the day these are all opinions. If you like it, great, if you don't then you don't.

That's all there is to it.

[brave fjord]

[tight quail]

ok let's go back to when avatars even on pc had to be less than 10k polys 😛 (kids have it easy these days)

[long storm]

I wouldn't know, I haven't been on VRC for even a year 😛

that sounds like a fun challenge in its own right though

[gritty shard]

yeah I was around back then so I have a bit of irritation when folks go oh it's impossible to have my avatar be under 20k

like okay if you're trying to wear 10 outfits on the same Avatar I can see how that might be technically unfeasible

[thin locust]

From what i heard people just bypassed that

Ofc nowadays it would be harder since the performance system actually enforces some stuff

Back then it just didn't

[modest perch]

What did I missed here ?

[tight flame]

@Ashy is 100% correct! More & more Q2 users are getting the same message "you were sent home because your system ran out of memory" (or something like that) I'm even getting that when I'm in my home space! We just can't use VRC anymore. Why is this so hard for them to understand...& FIX?!

[modest perch]

That's not really an issue with VRChat, but Meta themself that add more and more features while not really optimizing the whole OS.
VRChat isn't the only game having this "out of memory" issue.

[thin locust]

Quest 2 is just becoming the new quest 1

Quest 3 will temporarily fix that until eventually it goes the same way

But it's both

Vrchat and the OS

Both adding features causing them to need more resources

[gritty shard]

from what I can tell asking VRchat is not going to modify the upload limits at all for the quest 3

[thin locust]

All the stuff vrchat added ain't free on resources either

[thin locust]

Yeah they don't. But over time even there performance will get worse anyways. Slower maybe but still

Oculus will keep adding more stuff to the OS making it heavier and vrchat will too

That headroom will get smaller over time

It's the nature of hardware life and stuff getting updates

[light vine]

I hope Google Cardboard support is added to the android app ^_^

[long storm]

that would be interesting

[thin locust]

Hopefully someone has a fan to cool down their phone then

[peak basin]

funny part is, you can actually use the google cardboard for pcvr, if you wanna use apriltags and joycons for controllers xd

[modest perch]

Quest headsets aren't future-proof at all (standalone headsets in general too). That's why I don't recommend them to people that can do PCVR.

[modest perch]

ASUS has joined the chat

[thin locust]

quest is alright as a pcvr headset though

i still use my quest 1 for pcvr

[modest perch]

I wouldn't trust a headset where software can completly brick it though.

[thin locust]

Not sure what you're talking about

[modest perch]

At any point, Oculus can disable PCVR on their Oculus software/Quest OS, and VD can stop updating it for a specific Quest (or can be forced to stop updating its software)

[thin locust]

Well im gonna buy a pico 4 anyways so i won't even be in the meta ecosystem anymore

[modest perch]

And about ALVR, at any point Meta can block people enabling it on older Quest.

[thin locust]

Standalone Headsets as of now are my only choice anyways

I cannot use wired headsets

Incompatible setup

I rely on wireless vr

And for the foreseeable future i won't be able to change anything on that part that i can only use wireless PCVR

[stone lark]

Certainly isn't hard to just block updates on them though, if all you are using them for is PCVR, then you should block updates to keep the experience consistent.
And now you have a wireless headset that, aside from the battery, is as reliable as a wireless headset (or more reliable, from what I have heard.).

[gritty shard]

Honestly Microsoft/steam could put out an update tomorrow that would render their headsets unusable if they wanted to

[modest perch]

Yet Valve/HTC stil didn't made the 2016 HTC Vive unusable, and Microsoft still didn't made first gen WMR headsets unusable.

Meanwhile, Meta already did that with the Oculus Go.

[pure flare]

Help me ...
https://we.tl/t-3BXHR11Wij

[modest perch]

canny time

https://feedback.vrchat.com

[brave fjord]

I feel like the android app should either have an option of a portrait menu or make it so when you're in PORTRAIT mode it stays that way so you don't have to turn your phone sideways >< I hate having to keep turning it sideways to do one thing

Or just overall

[stone lark]

You can turn off auto rotate on your phone.

[thin locust]

If you're on portrait mode opening the big menu always forces landscape mode

[brave fjord]

[modest perch]

And someone did a canny about that and I think it's marked as tracked

[sick turret]

question for anyone who may know- I just uploaded an avatar for android build, but its very poor. I wanted to check it out to see if it uploaded properly, so i checked through Mobile since it was convenient. For some reason I can see my android build uploads in the menu, but when i try to swap into them, i see my fallback avatar instead. Is there a setting somewhere that im missing to allow me to see my own avatar?
I've never checked an avatar on quest/android build before so idk where to look

[gritty shard]

very poor avatars are completely disabled on the Android build of vrchat

[sick turret]

ah, damn

was hoping to just check, oh well. seems as though it is uploaded, just cant test it right now

[gritty shard]

in future I would try to see if you can get your avatars to not be very poor

[sick turret]

was just doing something quick and dirty for an event, the avatar i used to convert is rated good on PC, also its just a bought avi, not something i made myself or anything. much bigger task than what I need it for. just was hoping to check it in full detail, but I can at least see that its uploaded at all due to the preview

[surreal violet]

Hi! I’m new to VRChat, and I wanted to ask based on your comment- is there a ranking system for created avatars? What makes an avatar “very poor”?

[gritty shard]

https://creators.vrchat.com/avatars/avatar-performance-ranking-system/

but basically the short version is a avatar is very poor if it uses too many rendering resources

[surreal violet]

Thank you @gritty shard ! I’ll read into it!

[surreal violet]

Ah - that’s the opposite of what I was assuming:) thanks for clarifying

[sick turret]

as an example, the avatar im talking about has too many materials and too many polygons.

[gritty shard]

and second thing to note all the other ranks below very poor have a maximum cap to the resource usage so you can be sure what to expect with a poor Avatar but a very poor Avatar could be just a little bit over the line or oh my God that's using more resources than than the entire world and everyone else Avatar put together

[brave fjord]

Good thing it doesn't matter to me if I make avatars that I have, optimized lmao. Too much work to deal with

I have enough avatars to use if I wanted to play on Phone

[near bison]

Hey curious which version of unity is the android ver? Is it on unity 2022 or 2019?

I don't see a reason that it would be on the old one when the next unity upgrade is around the corner and android is in alpha testing

[dire wadi]

It's most likely 2019

[modest perch]

2019

there isn't any open beta for the android version

[near bison]

Ik there isn't. My reasoning was android is in alpha at the same time the unity upgrade is also being worked on

[brave fjord]

As far as we all know, VRC still uses Unity 2019 nothing else.

Even though Unity is updated, that doesn't exactly mean VRC uses it's most recent version.

Plus Android (if you're implying the phone android) doesn't have it's own version, it's using the same platform as Quest. except worse imo

[modest perch]

The open beta on PC/Quest is now on Unity 2022.3.5f1

[brave fjord]

What...? That must have been a big change..

[modest perch]

Check #open-beta-announcements

But in march (when they also annouced the Android version), they announced that they will upgrade the game to at least Unity 2021.

[brave fjord]

Oop

[dark vigil]

Is there an update I cant join world's on Android it says there's an update but when I look there is no update

[dark vigil]

Oh thank you

[open mortar]

Will the avatars be fixed on Android? To where a very poor one is visible? I want to be able to see my other avatars and another player's avatars well

[modest perch]

VRChat will never add very poor avatars to the Android version. Even better, very poor avatars will be removed from Quest too one day.
If you want to see your avatars, you need to optimize them.

[bitter elm]

VRchat players can't optimize so prepare for a content apocalypse

[open mortar]

I don't have access to any avatars that aren't mine if that's going to happen that's actually not a very smart plan

[gritty shard]

vrc considers everybody uploading very poor avatars on the quest to be a failure

[modest perch]

I'm not going to continue this discussion, it already has been done millions of times here.
But at the end, not allowing very poor avatars is a good move. No phone can handle multiple very poor avatars without running at 10FPS.

[modest perch]

Not a failure, but just that your avatar is badly optimized and will run poorly on mobile devices

[unreal marsh]

Bruh I get 60fps locked in 40+ player lobbies with safety entirely off while looking at a mirror.

No phone

[modest perch]

On what device ?

[unreal marsh]

LG V60

No where even near top of the line anymore.

[modest perch]

Your phone have almost the same SoC as the Quest 2.
Also you had 60FPS because you can't see very poor avatars. If you could, you would get only 1/4 of your FPS.

[unreal marsh]

Like when I was using my VP avatar while testing this lol

[modest perch]

One very poor avatar is fine. 40+ very poor avatars and your FPS will be gone. Even the Quest 2 can't handle that much very poor avatars without having 15FPS.

[unreal marsh]

No shit. That's why we have safety settings. Regardless. I have a shit ton of overhead despite having a 3 year old flagship. I just thought you saying no phone was just absurd. There would be no issue for basically any modern flagship user.

Besides, as you've noted, my 3 year old phone has similar/better specs to a quest. Yet is rendering on a single screen with way more performance overhead, but I'm not allowed to see any VP, yet on quest, I can happily sit in a lobby full of VP easily choosing who I want to see and not using existing tools. Even if the game ran at 15fps, who cares. It's VRC, not cod.

Hell an S23 has like 4x my performance and is 3 years newer... No phone...

[gritty shard]

it would probably be more your RAM getting hit very hard by 40 very poor avatars

[unreal marsh]

I've not been able to even push it over 3.7gb used. Got plenty of tap

[modest perch]

Even if the game ran at 15fps, who cares.
More people than you think. For you, running at 15FPS is fine, but for the average mobile player, they will launch the game, their game will run poorly, and then leave a bad review on the play store, and at the end, the game have a average start reviews of 2 stars because VRChat run poorly due to very poor avatars.

[unreal marsh]

Besides. Personally, I never go to large lobbies. Ya know, not everyone plays the same. I like 2-5 people groups max.

[unreal marsh]

Speculation.

People happily been doing it for years

As VRC grows bigger and bigger than ever

[modest perch]

Nope, that's based from my experience with mobile apps and games.

[unreal marsh]

ok bud

[modest perch]

If the app/game run poorly, they will leave a bad review

[unreal marsh]

Not many games like VRC on mobile devices...

Community made content experiences ya know. People understand content varies. And safety tools again, exist.

[gritty shard]

well there's rec room & Roblox but those are more restrictive on what you can upload

[unreal marsh]

Yep. And that's basically it. Not many games.

[gritty shard]

Roblox hard caps Avatars at 10000 triangles or it won't upload

[unreal marsh]

Neat. This is VRC.

Regardless. Gaslighting and making baseless statements like no phone could handle VP is just absurd.

[gritty shard]

it would definitely be possible to generate a very poor Avatar that would make your phone very cranky

[unreal marsh]

Should the experience of PC users be tailored to the lowest denominator? There exists a range of hardware. A range of devices. A range of play styles. No phone. Ffs

[unreal marsh]

Cool. hides avatar amazing.

[modest perch]

Driver4VR, a app that do webcam tracking with your phone camera. When you launch the app for the first time, you have a big text to say that performance entirely rely to your phone, and yet the app have a average start review on the play store of 3.7, where most of the reviews are "it doesn't run well", "it doesn't work" (due to their phone not powerful enough), "I need to put my IP on the app, I won't, this app is garbage" (the app uses OSC, and the IP that you need to put is only the local IP).

[unreal marsh]

I didn't know drvier4vr was a game made of community made content. Cool

[modest perch]

People on the mobile gaming market are dumb

[modest perch]

It's not, but it require a pretty powerful phone

Anyways, I don't have all my day to talk about someone idiot as that again.
If you aren't happy, then don't use the Android version, or kick your butt and optimize your content.

[unreal marsh]

Lmfao

[brave fjord]

I will say I don't think people HAVE to optimize (Like demanding wise, I wish people woudl stop that). With the "Imposter" idea supposedly coming to fruition at SOME point VP won't be necessary. Although it does probably upset alot of the avatar creators once VP gets removed. Because they made the avatar work the best they could woth the knowledge they have. Now they are gonna have to do more work for the Imposter system to even work, or just for the avatar to work st all. Cause as we all know VP isn't JUST an android/quest thing. That shows up on PC too.

[thin locust]

Remove VP on pc and I'm gonna be mad lol

For the Android version it's unfortunate but i can't use it anymore anyways now and probably won't in the future anymore since my phone just overheats anyways with vrchat

I do see the potential of VRChat completely removing very poor on all mobile platforms after imposters releases

[modest perch]

Making poor avatars on PC is much easier than on Quest.

But PCs are much more powerful, so they can handle very poor avatars just fine, there is no chance VRChat removes VP avatars on PC anytime soon.

[thin locust]

It's not about how easy it is. There are certain things basically throwing you immediately into very poor once implemented

Your previous performance rank doesn't matter, some things gonna be immediately very poor

Example being the thing that requires 2 light sources that never even get activated or GPU particles throwing you over the poly limit and bounds limit

Both will mean instant very poor

[cobalt swan]

Even one is one too many.
Especially as VP's usually are not just close to the limit but at levels that they are easily 2 or more poor avatars.
Let alone medium or better ones.

[long storm]

flashback to LS where I met someone using 3 gigs of VRAM

[cobalt swan]

A big issue with people making mobile avatars is not accepting the necessary (but mostly unnoticeable) down stepping in quality.
Especially Texture sizes.
People use massive textures that already on PC are waaaaay to big for the details, and then even want to use them on the mobile build as well.

[cobalt swan]

pro mobile gamer.

[spark spade]

How so? The 10mb upload limit is already enforcing texture quality quite a lot

[cobalt swan]

Compressed texture / avatar bundle vs uncompressed texture in memory is 2 very different things

[spark spade]

Is there a way to compress them before upload? I dont mind doing the work before

[cobalt swan]

If you have a 16k texture that is only white.
It'd compress stupidly small.
But it's completely raw in memory.

Compressing on upload is not solving memory

Textures are raw in memory

they get decompressed when they get loaded

compression only shrinks bundle size

Not texture memory impact.

[modest perch]

If the texture is only white, I would remove the texture and just set in the material the color white.

[cobalt swan]

That was an example on compression
You could also make it 1x1

[long storm]

that was just for the sake of example

[spark spade]

Then how am i supposed to fix that kind of textures then?

[cobalt swan]

Smaller size

Atlases with better space use

[spark spade]

Ill look into it later, because im not sure i understand

So changing the texture size in unity (2048,1024,512,..) does not actually help?

[cobalt swan]

If you have a texture that is 100x100 white.
It's originally 10000 pixel values in ram representing the texture in RAW each with individual color values and such.
Compressing it would store information on how to replicate it, rather than the raw value,
So something like "Hey, this texture is 100x 100 White pixels" which is NOTABLY less info.
Cus it only stores that it's 100x100 pixels, and the pixel 1 to 10000 is white. Not everythin individually.

Uppon decompression however it will read that and replicate the RAW file again cus it can not work directly from the compressed file.
So the memory is once again the full 10000 individual pixel values, not the compressed information how to replicate it.

[cobalt swan]

That totally does help and is the way to go!

But not compression (crunch compression for example)

[long storm]

Crunch compression is the only compression method that doesn't take less VRAM

BCn/DXTn/ASTC do actually shrink the VRAM footprint

[cobalt swan]

It's not what most people do think about when compressing a texture tho

[long storm]

oh you're talking about the bundle though

[cobalt swan]

Yes

Most people think crunch compression reduces VRAM

and smaller bundle means smaller RAM/VRAM as well

There is indeed texture compression methods.
Easiest being smaller color spaces and such.
But for the most part that's not what people are talking about

[long storm]

color space as in not using HDR textures? color space information used by image editors isn't retained when unity imports textures

[cobalt swan]

I think we're getting to much off track now to the example and the users misconception

[thin locust]

I don't even bother with crunch compression anymore

It stays off on my avatars

[cobalt swan]

I try it on some things, cus sometimes is has nearly no visual impact

depending on the kind of texture

Tho yeah, even in such cases halving the rez and using high quality is likely still gonna look better and have actual memory impact as well.

[thin locust]

I just don't need it

My avatar is 13MB in download with no crunch

That's already pretty low on average what i see

[spark spade]

@cobalt swan when converting to quest, i use this

https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

Is it good?

[thin locust]

yes

[brave fjord]

So can someone tell me what would normally universally for making avatars Quest Comp/Under VP

quest compatible but also to help android

[long storm]

what would normally universally...?

[brave fjord]

Like something that helps no matter what avatar

[long storm]

oh, I think you're missing a word 😛

[brave fjord]

Like a tool that would work with any avatar

[brave fjord]

Please? :3

[long storm]

no I meant in your first message haha

[brave fjord]

Uhhh

[long storm]

"...what would normally universally for making avatars..."

[brave fjord]

Idk ><

[long storm]

anyway

[brave fjord]

Oh

Aaaaa

What would WORK LOL

[long storm]

d4rk's optimizer really helps with bringing down mesh and material counts

[brave fjord]

Does it come with a tutorial? I assume it would?

I have an avatar that's 200 something MB I hope it can work regardless. Just dunno how the spell system will work lol

[long storm]

It's pretty well documented, you just add the optimizer component to your avatar and it spells everything it does out for you

it's not going to magically shave 190MB off though

[gritty shard]

sounds like that Avatar would need optimizing even on PC

[long storm]

sounds like you have a lot of big textures, lilavatarutils and/or Thry's VRAM calculator can help you nail down your biggest offenders

[brave fjord]

It has a lot of clothing. Most people I run into had no issue loading even with a decent PC

But others block my avatar xD

[long storm]

For quest especially you're going to want to keep it to one outfit per avatar

[brave fjord]

People have multiple for one avatar before

then again those are vp

I digress

[long storm]

It's not impossible, but putting multiple outfits on a quest avatar without tanking your perf rank is a lot harder than on PC

[brave fjord]

Yeah. Someone told me they'd recommend me reuploading my avi(s) with only one outfit I wanna wear

[gritty shard]

yes

[brave fjord]

As a separate model

[long storm]

that sounds like pretty solid advice to me. once you get more familiar with tools like blender you'll be able to interrogate your polygons more effectively

[brave fjord]

I know the Rexouium and Canis is heavy with polys

Especially the Rex's fluffy tail

I'd assume that takes up a lot of the polys. I could be wrong xD

Is there either of you that want me to DM to try and help a bit further? I will say I won't be available to actually do anything until Sunday/Monday but ><

[brave fjord]

I'm only vaguely familiar with Blender. Only know enough to know what Weight Painting does, UV Maps (Like just moving them around to fit for a texture), and whatever else good for Renderz

I use VRCFury for toggles

I have a lot of toggles on my Rex

[long storm]

there's always someone hanging out in #avatar-help

none of us is special

[brave fjord]

Fair enough

I know I was an ass earlier. I'm not against making aa fee of my avatars visible for Android/Quest especially since I plan on using a couple of them more

Thing is I technically have quest versions of them but they are outdated.

The PC versions of them are a bit updated

I hate the fact I can't use the newest Rexoium model for the clothing I have

[brave fjord]

I'll have to ask for help later then

[gritty shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=8MkgXcidxg4 @brave fjord

[brave fjord]

I'll try and look at it later as well

[brave fjord]

Could you send the link of both if the ones you recommended

I'm gonna send them to myself as well as this YT link

Btw the two you mentioned do I use them at the same time or are they separate ones that you suggested?

[long storm]

https://github.com/d4rkc0d3r/d4rkAvatarOptimizer
https://github.com/lilxyzw/lilAvatarUtils
https://github.com/Thryrallo/VRC-Avatar-Performance-Tools

[brave fjord]

Ty ty

Seems like the 1st and 3rd has more stars. Maybe that means more people use/recommend them?

[gritty shard]

yes that is essentially a like on Twitter

[brave fjord]

I see

[modest perch]

Polytool ?

[brave fjord]

Oh yeah xD

[thin locust]

Is paid unfortunately

[gritty shard]

https://github.com/feilen/tuxedo-blender-plugin this one is a blender tool but it can work on trying to squish avatars into the polygon limit of the quest

[brave fjord]

I know how to add stuff like thay in Blender but I don't know enough about Blender for all that.

[gray wraith]

im sorry ive been banging my head against this issue for the past couple of days and have frankly no idea what's wrong. I spent a lot of time getting this avatar to Poor (from v.Poor) for android and now it does this.

zero clue what causes this. I suppose what Im trying to get to the bottom of is if this is an issue or bug with the alpha client or (most likely..) my own doing

[unreal marsh]

A very magenta bun lol.

Is the hair the same shader as the body?

[gray wraith]

yeah!

there's 3 mats total, and the hair and tail render just fine.

[unreal marsh]

Does the body material show as magenta in unity?

[gray wraith]

nope! it works perfectly in unity (both editor and game mode!)

[unreal marsh]

What shader specifically?

[gray wraith]

I'll have to open the project, if you give me a moment. I think its the bottom-most one under vrchat -> mobile -> ...

I even tried duplicating the hair material and just changing the texture lol! Its gotta be something wrong with my model i assume, but its the very first time Im seeing it, ever

Its standard lite

[unreal marsh]

Or the textures. If it's persisted for multiple uploads. Make an empty new material and toss it on without the texture. Least remove that as a possibility.

[gray wraith]

will do

[tight quail]

does it work on quest?

[gray wraith]

same thing on quest

[unreal marsh]

Also, make sure there are no animations controlling the material or swapping

[gray wraith]

at least I can test it alone without a quest buddy on standby

[gray wraith]

ooh good point, Ill check that now

huh okay, whatever I've done looks to have fixed it? now to upload the fix to all the avatars xD
I've removed the FX controller from the upload as well as making a blank material and then selecting just the texture

I know unity keeps track of some extra data in the meta files too, so it might have been either the material itself corrupting for whatever reason or otherwise Ill dig through my FX to see if that was it

@unreal marsh major thanks

[primal talon]

I've noticed that ever since the client update, I can't see my avatars anymore? They are very poor, but barely. They worked on an earlier version, but now they say that they cannot be used. Is this a bug or intentional?

[unreal marsh]

Intentional. It was removed quietly in an undocumented update just after the release. You just likely never updated after the release.

[primal talon]

Ah, darn.

[pale jay]

Wunny

[knotty raven]

My device is not compatible with the vrc app

[regal pivot]

Your Phone probably doesn't meet the requirements then

Android 10 + 6gb of RAM

[modest perch]

what phone do you have ?

[keen crag]

I have the same error i have oppo A54

[vapid orchid]

How much RAM?

[reef hemlock]

Hi ! How come when I'm in game I keep seeing my fallback even tho my Avi is quest compatible ?

[cobalt portal]

is your quest avatar Very poor?

[reef hemlock]

Yes, is it impossible to show it on mobile then?

I also have a "permissions error" message even tho I authorized the mic usage

[cobalt portal]

@reef hemlock you cannot use VP avatars on quest, period

it's been written in the documentation since, well forever, that VP might get removed from quest altogether

it's been abused to hell and back. they gave people an inch, they took a mile

[reef hemlock]

Uh? I have a few Avis that's are VP and quest compatible, quest people could always see me

Is this new?

[cobalt portal]

that is not the problem. the problem is that the quest is very weak

you can't expect to upload avatars with the same fidelity as PC avatars, which is what a lot of people do regardless of performance rank

because of this, the game runs like ass, and crashes often due to the headset running out of memory

when it comes to the android version, they wanted to make sure the game would run well and not crash all the time. this could be due to a few reasons, but I speculate that playstore/appstore regulations have something to do with it

the playstore has a system in place where if an app crashes too many times on a certain device, it will start warning other users of the same device type that the app is suseptible to crashes

regardless, VP avatars can't be used on mobile. I'd recommend making a more optimized version of your avatar that is at the very least Poor

[reef hemlock]

Hm I see, well that had me lose interest in it- I wish you could just choose to show or not show, cause some phones are powerful enough to handle it and I don't even go to public world so I can blame my friends if they make me crash lmao

Thanks for the help anyway !

[brave fjord]

Oh HI Aphro!!

Nice to see you here :3

[brave fjord]

Also exactly. Good point imo.

Blocking avis and Shields exist for a reason

[brave fjord]

I had a whole thing I was gonna say but Nvm lmao

I know no matter what I say people here are gonna argue lmao

[cobalt portal]

I'm assuming you're talking about worlds? if so, you should probably use baked lighting instead of realtime lighting

[mighty vapor]

Do anyone knows how to fix the mic in vrchat mobile
i have a samsung note 20 ultra the integrated mic works perfectly while im in a phone call or in a discord vc but vrc mobile its just unbelievably bad, and a friend of mine who uses a totally different phone suffer the same problem.

[brave fjord]

Its still a common issue for some reason. VRC hasn't fixed it yet. Damn

[silent locust]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/android/wsa/

Anybody messed with this?

I've used bluestacks a lot before

[silent locust]

The permission prompts are a little crazy, but Android permissions are a pain lol

I've written permission implementations so many times on android lol

Ah yeah it wont run on bluestacks

or at least its not green lit

ohh let me change the emulator settings

[stone lark]

You need google services to run VRChat on Android, WSA only comes with the Amazon appstore.

[silent locust]

ohhh thanks, didnt realize that, fuckin amazon lol

hmm even with 8gb of ram in bluestacks its not showing up on the store

I should run it on my phone, stream through visor, and bring the window into my other vrchat lol

I could run two accounts

[stone lark]

Someone did manage to get WSA to work, but could not replicate or get an answer how from them.

[silent locust]

probably have to sideload the APK

It works great on my Pixel 7 pro tho

[stone lark]

installing as APK might work on bluestack, allowed it to run on my 4GB phone.

[silent locust]

yeah exactly, its probably just filtered out in the store settings

[silent locust]

:)

Gonna try the nvidia shield today

[silent locust]

Hah!

okay this isnt usable but that was fun lol

[fast steppe]

Does andrioid allow osc?

[sturdy pendant]

Yeah it does. Have not found any issues yet with my osc apps.

[stone lark]

Unusable in the super stuttery sense I am guessing?
3GB off RAM sure isn't enough.

[silent locust]

Yeah, massive lag and hitching

cant even enter my creds lol

maybe if i plug in a keyboard

I do have a new Pixel Tablet here i want to try it on tho

[stone lark]

Huh, my 4GB phone only had issues for a minute or two after joining a world and it barely handles 2d stuff.
So maybe the android version assumes there will be at least 4GB, since that is what the Quest 1 had.

[silent locust]

perhaps, also the X1 is getting older

its like 8 years old now? jesus

I suppose it is the same cpu as the switch right?

[stone lark]

Mm, still stronger than that cheap budget phone, but yeah, it is struggling with some things nowadays.

[stone lark]

I think so

[silent locust]

i use it for plex and emulators :)

[stone lark]

Think it is all one package, but nvidia just put focus on the GPU part of the X1

[silent locust]

well my pixel 7 pro runs it great

need to try this tablet

[fast steppe]

I really want to buy vrc+ just for testing andrioid vrc out

[stone lark]

It runs ok on my Samsung A52s 5g, but not sure if the forced virtual ram is causing it or not, but it stutters hard joining populated worlds or a big world for quite a while until it settles.

[silent locust]

holy shit this runs fast on the tablet

it came up about 10x faster than the nvidia lol

GPU    Mali-G710 MP7
MEMORY    8GB```

[near lava]

So I have the Nintendo Switch Pro controller directly plugged into my phone, and it's working almost perfectly, it's just the right trigger (ZR) button doesn't work at all for selecting options and interacting with world objects.

Actually, I just checked, and the B button works for menu/option selections, but no button works for world interactions, portal prompts, and the wheel menu (menu with expressions, emojis, etc.)

[crude cypress]

Is there a way to view the log on Android? Had a crash when attempting to load a friend's world. (crashes between Go button and Initialising)

[thin locust]

wonder how to use that controller with phones

i tried to use mine too with my phone once but nothing reacted on any button inputs

[near lava]

I have it plugged in with a USB-C to USB-C cable. I tried Bluetooth, but the connectivity that way was really wonky for me.

[thin locust]

unfortunately no, just like on quest

[tight quail]

did you change to reticle interaction in the menu? (big settings menu > controls i think)

[tight quail]

there is a way. bottom of quick menu, "enable logging". it shows up when you plug your phone into usb under documents/logs

[tight quail]

yes. you can enable logging in the quick menu

[near lava]

The interaction mode? I have that set to reticle aim.

[tight quail]

hmm

[near lava]

Oh wait, that's when I was touching the screen, when I started pressing the controller buttons, the big controls menu automatically changed to the controller buttons guide, with no additional options.

[crude cypress]

But where do I find them?

Oh, documents /logs. Okay

[tight quail]

yeah, or something like that

[silent locust]

Why is that? Should be able to at least see logcat, even if most of the logging is disabled, should be able to see an exception

[tight quail]

they're wrong, but you do have to manually enable logging in vrchat on quest/android

[half acorn]

Why didn't it work?

The NVIDIA Shield is the most powerful android tv out there

Even if it is a bit dated

[silent locust]

Only 3gb of RAM, and the x1 was top of the line like 7 years ago lol

[dark vigil]

hoo boy my android tablet won't work with it

using an old Lenovo M8 that has Android 10 but I guess not enough ram

[silent locust]

Pixel tablet absolutely kills it though lol

[crimson bronze]

found a bug. for some reason the udon scripts in my world don't work...

i thought it was a problem with my world, till i threw on my quest headset and realized on my last build everything worked. it was just my android client that i couldnt select or click on anything

[thin locust]

Yeah Android Version didn't got updated to new versions for a while

And SDK 3.4.0 worlds aren't compatible with older versions

[crimson bronze]

OH

wth

so if i want to make something that will work with the android version, i need to build with sdk 3.3.0 or below?

[crimson bronze]

how can i tell what build we're on since they removed the build number from the upper right corner?

[vapid orchid]

Wouldn't it be where it is normally? Quick menu > Debug?

[heavy terrace]

SDK 3.4.0?

[long storm]

what exactly is your question

[heavy terrace]

Do you mean SDK by Google?

Android SDK?

[long storm]

no?

vrchat sdk

[heavy terrace]

Oh

How does it work

[long storm]

https://creators.vrchat.com

[sturdy pendant]

VRC extends the features that are provided by unity. This package is called the VRC SDK. This is what allows people to upload to VRChat.

What they are talking about is there maybe a conflict with; the current android version, and the newest VRC SDK.

[heavy terrace]

I was a bit confused because I thought it was like; VRSDK 3.4 = ANDROID SDK 34

[near lava]

Wonder what's new in the new mobile update. It just says "no info from the developer" or something. 🤔

[crimson bronze]

When was mobile updated?

[silent crow]

When you get a friend request it breaks and shows alot of the names as
+General/inform-
Or the notification icon on the menu showing as "NEW_NOTFICATON"

The FPS/optimize

Can't show very poor avatars

Can't rotate holdable objects

It's kinda hard to pick up objects

There's only push to talk

The mic being static on phone

Those are the issues I found for me

@teal warren

[vapid orchid]

👀

[tight quail]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[teal warren]

Thanks! Please post your feedback here, as Kazy noted: https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

Feedback and bugs posted to this channel aren't logged, although I will say many of the things you noted are either known issues or intentional changes.

For example, we know interactions are kinda tough, and you can't rotate objects. Those are UX challenges.

Not being able to show Very Poor avatars is intentional and not a bug, Very Poor avatars are not allowed on Mobile.

The mic being static is worrying, you should post a bug on the feedback boards and note your phone model, Android version, etc.

[gritty shard]

because this is an alpha test while it's still very buggy so they don't want everyone and their dog playing

[polar tundra]

it started doing it to me too last night

[dark vigil]

What a mess. Then again, it's still on Alpha build, so funky stuff like that can happen

[still knot]

I have to ask out of curiosity, have anyone gotten the android application to run on any android emulator for PC (possibly mac?)? I did a few test on android 10+ emulators but always had 2 results, either "not supported message" or "app just closes itself instantly" Just asking since it's a biiiiit annoying switching between multiple headsets to test out my quest avatars/projects/better workflow and not have to ask "Does it work? Can you see this too if i toggle on while im on index?" classic questie hunting: "Oh, you questie, can i borrow you a sec and test a thing?!" most have been there at one point who are pc or index only owners.
(I know its not really supported most likely and never will be but still have to ask, no real info was found in "Andoid-info" channel on this topic any tips if it works or will be would be appreciated none the less)

[polar tundra]

i tried once but it kept crashing
was black screen for 2 seconds and then instantly closed

also, one feature i would really like on vrchat mobile is the ability to see Very Poor avatars again
on day 1, i was able to see Very Poor avatars on mobile and there wasn't any lag for me
but after updating, i can't see them anymore
and all of my friends use only Very Poor avatars, so being able to see their avatars instead of their fallbacks would be nice

[vapid orchid]

Not happening.

You fail to realize how heavy those avatars can be.

[polar tundra]

i mean, some devices are more powerful than others
having a option to turn it on or off might work

i tested it on my tablet before updating and it worked good for me without lag

[vapid orchid]

Doesn't matter. 👀

[cobalt portal]

everyone will turn it on, people will crash and have their devices overheat, Google Play will pick up on the crashes and put up a banner on the play store saying "This app crashes frequently"

not going to happen

[polar tundra]

another problem i have is that all the avatars i made are Very Poor, so i can't use any of them on mobile

[vapid orchid]

You cannot use, wear, or see Very Poor avatars on Android Mobile. This is not a bug, it is intentional. Avatars are by far and large the biggest source of performance problems on Quest, and we're not interested in carrying that problem forward.

[cobalt portal]

then make them not be very poor?

[polar tundra]

i had to make a whole new avatar to be able to use a custom one on mobile, getting the rank to at least Poor took a long time

[cobalt portal]

https://chromeunboxed.com/google-play-store-app-install-warning-compatibility

[polar tundra]

also, here's a question, if we can't use Very Poor avatars on mobile then how are we able to still preview them in the avatars menu?

[vapid orchid]

'Cause they're not being loaded in.

[polar tundra]

i'm just confused

[vapid orchid]

By what?

[polar tundra]

i don't know why it didn't lag on my tablet when i was able to use Very Poor avatars before updating

[vapid orchid]

Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean it isn't a problem at all.

Not everyone has a [enter specific device model here].

[polar tundra]

it's a samsung tablet, some samsung phones are powerful too like my tablet is

i just wish i didn't have to see only fallback avatars on mobile

and my audio on it keeps muting randomly, and i always have to restart the app to fix it

having the option to use Very Poor avatars on mobile would make testing the quest version of a avatar a lot easier too
then i wouldn't have to put on my headset to test the quest version of a avatar

[vapid orchid]

Eventually, it'll be removed on Quest too since it's been the biggest cause of crashing.

Android in general*

[polar tundra]

and then all 190 of my avatars would stop working

[vapid orchid]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[polar tundra]

and i wouldn't be able to fix it because i don't have the unity projects to the older ones

most avatars in vrchat are Very Poor actually

[vapid orchid]

Use this time to figure out how to optimize better.

[polar tundra]

how do i update a avatar without the unity project to the avatar?

[vapid orchid]

Start over, I guess.

[polar tundra]

my avatars from 2021 i don't have the projects to anymore

190 custom avatars is a lot

and i only use avatars that i made

[vapid orchid]

All I said is "eventually", not that it's happening tomorrow. 👀

[polar tundra]

i know
i just wish there was a extra option for powerful mobile devices that can run vrchat with Very Poor avatars, it would be nice to have
and there could be a warning message for enabling it saying that it would lag a lot on less powerful devices

kind of like how some other options have similar warning messages

[gritty shard]

in future keep better track of your avatar projects

[polar tundra]

the laptop my older projects were on broke

[vapid orchid]

Can't pull the hard drive?

[polar tundra]

it wasn't removable

[vapid orchid]

Unless it's flash memory, it's likely removeable.

[polar tundra]

it's part of the laptop

[vapid orchid]

What kind of laptop was it?

[polar tundra]

and it was at 0 storage left, and stuff was getting corrupted because of it
and it kept blue screening a lot

it has had the blue screen at least over 100 times on that laptop, i lost count

it was also really laggy and slow

[tight quail]

because it's only loading one, not 30+

[long storm]

that raises the likelihood of crashing, and if VRChat crashes too much it'll get pulled from the app store

the very poor performance ranking is also definitely a good sign that something is seriously wrong, especially on mobile

[polar tundra]

i also click Show Avatar on every Very Poor avatar when i play on quest, and wasn't any lag for me
world had 40 Very Poor avatars in it

[cobalt portal]

"wasn't any lag" yea I really, really doubt that

[polar tundra]

i had to play on quest before i got pcvr
and i would always show everyone's avatar

[sturdy pendant]

This sign has been on the docs pages for years, it's not VRC's fault you chose to ignore it lol.

[polar tundra]

most avatars in vrchat are Very Poor
it would break a lot of avatars if that happened

[vapid orchid]

Welp.

Again, not VRC's fault.

Too much of a good thing spoils the... something.

[polar tundra]

i've been making avatars for 2 years, i don't want all that work to be for nothing

getting the file size below 10mb for quest is already hard to do

[gritty shard]

Maybe you should have been paying better attention to the documentation then

[polar tundra]

that was not in it when i started

[gritty shard]

That note has been there for a long time

[polar tundra]

and what would happen to the already existing Very Poor avatars on quest?

[vapid orchid]

I would imagine nothing, just... not being able to be used.

[cobalt portal]

who knows, they will either keep existing, or cease to exist at some point

[gritty shard]

But either way your work would be unusable if they flipped that switch

[polar tundra]

and then none of my friends that use quest would be able to see any of my avatars

[sturdy pendant]

Can confirm it was there when you started :)

[gritty shard]

Yes because you don't optimize

[polar tundra]

out of all the avatars in my favorites list, only 2 of them are below Very Poor
and all the ones i made are Very Poor

[polar tundra]

i like making mine high quality

[gritty shard]

Not going to do any good if you lag people

Do you even know what normal maps are

[sturdy pendant]

If I can put an enter game on my quest avi, you can optimise your avis a bit

[polar tundra]

yes, i use normal maps

[gritty shard]

Then you have no reason to have ridiculous polygon counts

As if it doesn't contribute to the silhouette it can go on a normal map

[polar tundra]

every time i try decimating a model, it breaks it because of the poly count

and most of the time it doesn't even make it go below Very Poor when i try

it took 3 days just to get one avatar below Very Poor

[gritty shard]

Have you tried dissolving edge loops

[sturdy pendant]

Honestly, in the most literal sense, sounds like a skill issue

[polar tundra]

i make fnaf avatars, most are already high poly

[gritty shard]

Like five nights at Freddy's have literally been ported to the quest already so it's possible to get those character models in the quest triangle count

https://www.meta.com/experiences/3162101440489458/

[polar tundra]

i use other fnaf models for my avatars

[gritty shard]

My point is more the art style can survive the quest triangle count

[sturdy pendant]

Knowing vrc they will just cut off uploads at some point for vp quest avatars.
Just do the same thing they did with sdk2

[gritty shard]

Especially with the imposter system coming out they can just go okay if you can't be bothered to optimize it at least you'll have the imposter

[polar tundra]

i hope the imposter system works on mobile too

and i hope they fix the audio randomly stops working thing soon

[gritty shard]

it will be available on mobile

[dapper pike]

How long does this thing take because it has been saying this for almost 2 months

[vapid orchid]

You need VRC+.

[tight quail]

as long as vrc mobile is in alpha and maybe some more after that

[dark silo]

Hi, I have a xperia 5 mark V with snapdragon 8gen 2 and 8go of ram,
it's normal to have this game expérience ?

https://youtu.be/LYJx1nA2KPs?feature=shared

[crimson bronze]

oof that's really bad.

to be fair, i think there was a recent update that broke some things. my s21u now hard-freezes up in worlds that never froze up before. at least your phone continues on lol. but yeah i feel like this latestly build is not so usable

[polar tundra]

i hope when imposters gets added it also works by showing the imposter when a very poor avatar can't be seen
having the imposters feature for showing pc only avatars and performance blocked avatars would be great

[thin locust]

Keep in mind impostors won't solve everything

Since creators will have to enable them for their avatars

[polar tundra]

yeah, but it would be nice to be able to see the very poor avatars on mobile that have imposters enabled on them

when the imposters feature releases, i'm going to try to get it to work on all 190 of the avatars i made

[steep spruce]

Is there a way to remove the buttons from the screen? Like in the settings to reduce opacity by 100%?

If not, then someone please add that feature 🥺 🙏

[regal pivot]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[torn grotto]

It won't even let me log in, it's saying it's invalid but I went threw the process of Un-installing and re-installing what do I do??

[vapid orchid]

👀

[near lava]

So, is it safe to assume that the current alpha version of VRChat mobile is behind from the live version? Cause I'm joining instances with many people, and instead I'm either completely by myself or with very few people despite the player number saying otherwise (34 players, for example)

[elfin lagoon]

haha

thats just goofy vrchat stuff as far as i know

happens on every plattform

[near lava]

You right, I did experience this on PC a while back.

Oh well, might as well wait it out.

[formal snow]

What phone device could I use to play on Android?

[stone lark]

Any with Android 10 and 6GB of RAM.

[formal snow]

Ok

Ty

[elfin lagoon]

a nokia 3310 /j

[dense cloud]

Ksksks

[heavy terrace]

What about soc?

[stone lark]

Don't think that matters, at least there is no listed limitation for that.

[near lava]

The microphone output (which is set to 100%) is still glitched, as it still outputs very quietly, even as I'm shouting right onto my phone's microphone. I also tried plugging in an external microphone that works very well on desktop and the result is still the same. Where could I send this feedback to the devs?

[stone lark]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha

[vapid orchid]

👀 Check the channel you're in.

[marsh tusk]

Sorry ^^

[gritty mountain]

What's the cheapest android phones that can run VRChat?

[sturdy pendant]

6+ GB of RAM
Android 10+

[ashen birch]

Probably the A53 5G.

[regal pivot]

I don't think you really want to play VRChat on that

[long storm]

keep in mind the cheapest phone that can run VRChat isn't going to run it well

[sturdy pendant]

Any of you nerds get OSC Query working on Android?
OSC works fine, but I can't seem to get OSCQ to find any app on the network, but I could also just be stupid. Lol

[stone lark]

The a52s 5G plays VRC mobile pretty well, loading in a lot it did stutter quite heavily, but not sure if that was just early bug or because that phone is forced to use virtual RAM, the a7x series would probably be the ideal.

[stray yew]

any1 know when vrc will come out in iphone, its been almost 3-4 months since announced

[stone lark]

It coming to iphones is sooooooooo much harder than android, since Quest is running android.

And that almost all Apple devices have terrible amounts of RAM.

[vapid orchid]

Soon™️

[desert ravine]

(Also third export target 😎)

[still kernel]

I was reading up and found your messages lol, yeah, we have tried to help him make their models more optimized and to combine the meshes, never works out and he doesn’t try. Most of his avatars are like hundreds of meshes and materials and like most of the time over 500k polys, sometimes millions

[sacred owl]

I would imagine it may not come out until the full version of Android is out. IOS is much harder to work with

[bitter elm]

it also doesn't help that it's another platform to build for, which unlike quest/android, is an incredibly niche platform to build for, more-so than PCVR, so it probably won't get very much support.

[dense cloud]

Will it take long for the public version to come out?

[stone lark]

We do not know, but it is still an alpha which means it is buggy and not feature complete, we don't know what other features they might add, but it is still definitely too buggy to release.

[gritty shard]

probably sometime next year?

[dusty leaf]

Wish my phone can use it but it keeps popping up with this

[polar tundra]

there's a bug on samsung phones where the android preview for text while typing in a vrchat chat box is white, and the background of the preview is also white
it means the text is invisible and makes it hard to fix typos
i think it's because of the new vrchat mobile ui that shows up when opening the app
i don't know how to fix it, it wasn't like this before

maybe a dark mode setting might fix it?
i don't know

[polar tundra]

why is vrchat mobile taking so long to load?

[polar tundra]

it isn't loading

[pliant junco]

same for me ..

[polar tundra]

maybe it was because the website updated
and the app has its own version of the website
and the app didn't get a update when the website updated

[polar tundra]

is it still not working?

[polar tundra]

it's still not working
can someone make a bug report about this please?

the app needs a update

but there's no update available

it needs a update to fix its version of the website

and maybe a option to skip that new ui and launch how it used to would be nice

then it wouldn't break every time the website gets a update

[dark vigil]

just updated to android 14, the launcher itself works but whenever i try to join a world it doesnt work, im guessing its not compatible with android 14 yet?

[polar tundra]

for me the launch button just won't work at all
it's stuck loading and won't load at all

this happened right after the website updated

and it's still not working

i think the website update broke the app

because the app has it's own version of the website that hasn't been updated when the website updated

[dark vigil]

i c i c

[fierce vault]

That’s happening to me to rn

[polar tundra]

i hope it gets fixed soon

[fierce vault]

My vrc+ ends soon idek how im ganna pay for it again I don’t have my pc

[fierce vault]

@polar tundra I have a question for you if you don’t mind

[polar tundra]

what is it?

[fierce vault]

When you’re playing on mobile are you able to see your avatar and others? Idk if it’s just me or that’s just how it is on it

[polar tundra]

by default, it blocks poor and very poor avatars from viewing
you can change it in settings to let you see poor avatars, but mobile hides all very poor avatars

and i'm guessing most of the avatars are very poor avatars

the impostors feature is going to be very useful for the mobile version when it releases

[fierce vault]

Im only able to see the ones vrchat made

[polar tundra]

does the show avatar button work?

[fierce vault]

No

[polar tundra]

i think it's a very poor avatar then

for the performance rank of the avatar

[lean comet]

The current mobile version's avatars are limited to "very poor", which is basically a lot of Very Poor Avatars Cant show and load

If you want to display the avatar, you must optimize it to "poor", which means polygons must be optimized to less than 20,000

[fierce vault]

Has the mobile version of vrchat been fixed yet?

[polar tundra]

i don't know
i think it's still broken

[serene breach]

Free yet?

[gritty shard]

no

[serene breach]

damn it

[polar tundra]

it's still broken...

[serene breach]

I take it we aren't seeing it by the end of the year like they wanted

[polar tundra]

vrchat mobile won't open, the app is broken

[vapid orchid]

#android-discussion message

Try this.

[polar tundra]

is there a download for the version of the apk i have to download?

[vapid orchid]

Ask him in #android-discussion

[dark vigil]

is (quest)poor the lowest performance rating acceptable for android?

[terse basin]

iirc yes

[polar tundra]

mobile didn't get the impostors update...

i'm sad...

[fierce vault]

What’s that?

[terse basin]

update where lazy people can generate basically a ps1 equivalent to a fallback

[polar tundra]

https://youtu.be/Pyy9Q0ZOupA?t=72

[polar tundra]

when will mobile be updated to the latest version?
i really want to try the impostors feature on it

[sturdy pendant]

When enough commits happen.

[frank sapphire]

This is the real answer

[red yoke]

when will they be removing the vrc+ from vrc mobile? I saw the official cite and from what I get it's already gone however it won't let me in without it did I misread or is this a bug?

[polar tundra]

either today or in a few days i'm guessing

and i think it would get the impostors update too

[red yoke]

thank you so much it's amazing this is even a thing right now I've been wanting to get my hands on vrc for years I'm soooo exited!!!!

[sturdy pendant]

#android-discussion message

[granite mist]

if you join different instances of a world from your pc and phone you can play with different people at the same time from the 2 platforms on the same account
also i was able to open doors and vents on the black cat from my phone without the premium stuff

[terse basin]

You could already do that on the same pc with multiple instances of the game running

[olive delta]

help me, why is it that when I upload an avatar, only this one is shown to me?

[sudden totem]

My phone are compatible with the game but when i open the game and join a world it's just stuck with the "Loading your world!" How to fix this?

[queen dagger]

So is anyone else still not able to log in despite correct email/password?

[amber tide]

I have a similar issue on the Galaxy A54, it's stuck on the loading screen with music playing but never moves past that screen

[polar tundra]

if it's very poor for the performance rank on mobile, it shows you your fallback instead of the avatar

[gritty shard]

Very poor avatars are not available on Android

[polar tundra]

something cool is that if you try using a very poor avatar on mobile, and it has a impostor, it would show you as the avatar's impostor

[wise spear]

Thoughts on allowing us to see Very Poor on mobile? I know it's a big performance hit, but at least don't artificially lock it; let me use the full performance of my phone.

[polar tundra]

yeah, a option to turn it on or off would be nice because some more powerful phones wouldn't lag from it

[spring scroll]

If it crashes too often, it will get removed from the play store

[vapid orchid]

Soon, it'll be on Quest too.

[polar tundra]

when i played vrchat mobile before support for very poor avatars got removed, i was able to use very poor avatars without lagging

[vapid orchid]

V Poor takes too much resources, which is why it's blocked.

[wise spear]

in its current state it makes vrchat mobile useless. it's essintially fallback fest 101

[polar tundra]

yeah, i don't know why it was removed because most very poor avatars don't lag

i always turn all of them on on the quest version too without lag

[vapid orchid]

Resource hog.

[wise spear]

then make it so that yyou have to turn it on as an additional setting. like... make sure to let the user know that what they are about to do is really risky and should be done at their own cost

[faint plume]

Just showing a Rex avatar on PC makes my FPS drop lol

[vapid orchid]

It's why they're auto-blocked on Quest and have to manually turn them on.

[polar tundra]

i only use very poor avatars, so all of the avatars i made don't work on mobile

they used to though

[wise spear]

many top-end phones nowadays have superior chipsets to the quest 2, so in theory the game shouldn't lag.

[polar tundra]

yeah, my tablet is more powerful than the quest 2

[faint plume]

The mobile version still has performance issues despite your phone being better than a quest

And I notice that

[polar tundra]

every very poor avatar i tried on mobile before the update that removed support for them didn't lag when i tried them on my tablet

still had full fps

[faint plume]

Theres still room for better optimization but its still down to the avatars and worlds being optimized

[wise spear]

regardless, let me as a responsible user to decide whether i want to have 11 fps, or not. don't virtually limit my experience by locking things away

[vapid orchid]

Welcome to the world of liability.

[polar tundra]

i had more fps on my tablet than i did on quest 2

[wise spear]

what dop you mean?

[polar tundra]

and if support for very poor avatars was readded to mobile, it would make testing quest avatars a whole lot easier

[faint plume]

???

[wise spear]

wait, so it was available before?

[polar tundra]

yeah, when it first released it was

after i updated the app, it stopped working

[faint plume]

Very poor was blocked on alpha version on mobile then later to quest

[wise spear]

and what was the performance like from your experience?

[vapid orchid]

Google is MUCH more stringent on app safety. Too much complaints will get it knocked off the platform.

[polar tundra]

it was better than the quest version

[wise spear]

okay... then make it so you can download vrchat mobile from the vrchat.net website. and have that version be withoput limits

so... google play version of the game is limited to poor, and vrchat.net version is not

ez?

[faint plume]

😐

[vapid orchid]

How does that work? 👀

[polar tundra]

if i could downgrade to get support for very poor avatars again, i would
but it would stop me from joining people in newer versions, so i can't

[wise spear]

?? it just does.

[faint plume]

Proof?

Also I doubt crashing would result on a takedown from the store lol

Its in BETA for a reason

[polar tundra]

when mobile version first released, i was testing my very poor avatars i made
all of them worked without lag, some of them were invisible in mirrors though
but i could still see myself using it if i looked down

[wise spear]

but like... if they put a warning saying that crashing may happen , that should b e enough of a disclaimer for them not to be penalised.

[faint plume]

That never happened and will never happen

[gritty shard]

How would you know that

[wise spear]

who are you replying to? please use the reply feature otherwise it is confusing

[polar tundra]

yeah, like a warning message saying "Are you sure you want to enable Very Poor Performance Rank? Only use this if your device is powerful enough to handle it."
that would be a good message for it

[wise spear]

exactly!!!!!!!! it's so easy peazy

[gritty shard]

Vrchat concluded from the quest version that allowing very poor avatars in the first place was a mistake

[wise spear]

why?

[wise spear]

why?

[gritty shard]

Because everyone just ended up showing all the very poor avatars and making their own performance terrible

[faint plume]

Also you need to take into consideration for other users

their performance and them also using very poor

bad experience

[polar tundra]

if they made it so that none of my quest friends could see my avatars, i don't know what i'd do

[wise spear]

so? lket me decide if i want to have low fps or not

[gritty shard]

Also crashing the application

[wise spear]

and if i do end up having terribl;e fps and even exploding my device it should be mky fault entirely

[faint plume]

A majority of the crashes are from poorly optimized avatars/crashers lol

[polar tundra]

and i currently only have access to the mobile version
wish i could still use the avatars i made

[wise spear]

that's what a disclaimer is for.

[faint plume]

Default safety shows trusted users (i think)

I play on publicks sometimes and see a bunch of quest users craash because of default safety

[polar tundra]

on the pc version i would just make it so that every very poor avatar shows by default

[gritty shard]

That's kind of a you problem if you uploading very poor avatars

[wise spear]

??? have you seen what the game considers to be a very poor avatar? the smallest addition to an avatar will knock it down from poor to very poor. it's ridiculous

all the parameters are 0/0 mandatory,

[gritty shard]

You're talking about mobile phone processors that considerably less powerful than a PC

[wise spear]

so why are we letting quest users see this content when my phone's processor is superior to the quest's?

doesn't make any sense. full stop

[gritty shard]

They're also considering removing very poor avatars from the quest

[wise spear]

massive L

[faint plume]

They did, even from the graph

[gritty shard]

That's not new because anything past the poor column would be very poor so there isn't particular numbers for very poor past more than poor

[faint plume]

there used to be a very poor columm

[granite mist]

I see

[worldly tusk]

Audio on Android gets broken whenever I play music from different app, to fix it I need to use home button to push VRChat to background and return to it

#bug

or different workaround plug different audio device to USB, like 3.5mm jack adapter

[polar tundra]

i use bluetooth earbuds
and the audio on vrchat mutes randomly
i have to restart the app every time to fix it
the update before this one fixed it, but the newest update brought it back

[fossil quarry]

mic dont work?

[undone steppe]

I'm tied to my Google account, and then I get stuck on the first screen of the game.

[thin locust]

thats already a thing

[polar tundra]

yeah, i know
i just said that that's the setting i used when i played the pc version

[sacred owl]

Is anyone else getting issues where your audio just randomly decides to cut out?

The only way I know how to fix it is to restart the whole app which is very annoying when I'm trying to hang with my friends 😭

[next mortar]

Yes. It has been mentioned before.

[worldly tusk]

workaround working for me is to go home by the circle button or gesture and back to app or plug in 3.5mm jack adapter for a moment

[polar tundra]

yes, the newest update for mobile brought that bug back

i have to keep restarting the app to fix it

so many times

it mostly triggers when i get a lag spike

[regal pivot]

Was that ever fixed?

I always had that issue

[chrome timber]

I think it was

The only problem I had with it was it showing me that I had no friends online and that it was showing that I was offline but it eventually fixed itself

But that was earlier today

[drifting sonnet]

Please fix the vrchat version

[vapid orchid]

There's nothing to fix.

[slim hound]

You device doesn’t work

[tender yarrow]

Your device itself isn't compatible. You need at least 6gb of ram and Android 10 to be able to install it

Is there any way I can revert versions of mobile? Like, can I download one of the earliest releases where Very Poor avatars weren't blocked?

[vapid orchid]

Err... it's always been blocked?

[tender yarrow]

Not when the mobile versions were first released, it seems?

[vapid orchid]

But... it's always been blocked.

Ever since the first version. o_O

Guy must be mistaken.

[south walrus]

They're just too dumb to do simple things like a message that if r u sure u want to enable very poor rank and all that shit

[vapid orchid]

It's not being dumb, it's to protect their place in the Play Store. Too many crashes mean risk of being pulled out.

Just because your phone doesn't lag, doesn't mean others won't.

[tender yarrow]

It required a pretty high version of Android though, doesn't it? A lot of phones that potentially would lag don't even seem to be able to download it in the first place

[vapid orchid]

Android version doesn't mean anything, that's just the SDK being targeted. It's the same reason V Poor is auto-blocked on Quest (and can only have so many visible before you get the "Memory Low" message)

[south walrus]

Sizeless dumbness, now that it's available 4 Android, I bet there will be a patch in Lucky Patcher that will take care of what the own devs can't

[vapid orchid]

And then get banned for it.

[drifting sonnet]

Is not work 😔

[tender yarrow]

Because your device isn't compatible. You need a better phone

There is nothing you can do to make it work

[drifting sonnet]

I try again play with the vrchat is never work

[bright sparrow]

I agree with very poor Avis being blocked but i think the stats are just a lil too low. Needing under 20k polys makes it so hard to find anything to my preference I'd like to use.

[bitter elm]

to be fair, they gotta draw the line somewhere, and when people can't even stick to 70k on PC, I don't think a limit increase will actually do anything, hell they already did increase the limits, it used to be 10k, even worse, 20k was the PC limit years ago, which was actually SDK enforced to where you had to use TOS breaking modded SDKS to upload anything above 20k.

[bright sparrow]

Yeah, I understand. I wish the limit was like 35K, excellent quality on PC.

[sturdy pendant]

In case you're wondering, 20k tris is a lot already. Take for example, Mario games over the years. Mario 64 was only 752 tris, with some of the new games using 5k.
People can 100% optimize their avatar into 4-5 high poly Marios. lol.
Here is a fun resource if you lot wanna read more into it: https://www.marioboards.com/threads/38871/

[polar tundra]

i'm having a very hard time getting my avatar below 20k

decimating the model is breaking it a lot

[sturdy pendant]

how about retopo?

[polar tundra]

?

[sturdy pendant]

re-made topology

[polar tundra]

how does it work?

[sturdy pendant]

You do some modeling and make it lower polygon, there are a lot of videos if you wanted to learn and need some links.

[polar tundra]

does it work for making a high poly model low poly?

[sturdy pendant]

Here is a before an after retopo i did, from 720k polys to 7.5k polys. Could go lower but this was made for pc.

[vapid orchid]

Muh detail thoooo.

[polar tundra]

i'm trying to get a fnaf model lower poly though so that i can see it on mobile

it's currently very poor preformance rank on the pc version

[sturdy pendant]

So, make it lower?

[polar tundra]

i've been trying for hours for days

usually i just keep it as very poor performance rank
but i can only access the mobile version of vrchat currently

[sturdy pendant]

Sounds time to learn of get someone on vrc traders to do it lol

[polar tundra]

it's a custom model too

it's like a fnaf oc

[bitter elm]

chances are it's still possible (unless we're talking fnaf 4 nightmare + springtrap combined levels of detailed), remember that the shading being a tad screwed up can be fixed with a normal map if needed.

also with impostors being a thing now and the VRC dev's current attitude on very poor avatars, I get the feeling this warning will actually end up coming true within the next few months, possibly right after the new year.

[terse basin]

fnaf models generally have a crap ton of endo that will never be seen by normal means that can be deleted

[earnest peak]

I have a S23 Ultra and unable to install it either same problem

[rancid python]

The game simply cannot move forward if users aren't forced to optimise their assets. I'm sure the VRChat developers have already exhausted all efforts in terms of optimising the game/unity engine. I think stricter performance restrictions is the right way forward. It's nice to be able to see everyone's personal avatar in a packed rave with up to 80 users and still be able to move around with a decent framerate. Not very pleasant disabling very poor avatars to achieve playable frame rates and seeing giant fallback bananas and mushroom people. Really breaks immersion and social presence.

[sturdy pendant]

Honestly more hard caps would be nice over all on the Android build platform.
Content that is just a shader swapped PC avatar is not "quest ready" like some makers wanna believe.
Cuz you know if oculumetabook cared about crashing like the Play Store does, very poor would not be a thing quest either.

[polar tundra]

if they removed the ability to use any of my very poor performance rank avatars on quest, i would cry

i made 192 avatars

[vapid orchid]

Better get to optimizing, boy.

[polar tundra]

it took 2 years to make all of those avatars

[stone lark]

Quality > Quantity

There are cases where you can't work around the limitations, but usually there is.

[polar tundra]

it took so long, but i finally got it to upload as poor performance rank
and the model looks really broken from decimating it, it has holes in some parts of it, and other parts look blocky

i got it to a little bit over 19000 polys

it started at over 80000 polys

i can finally use it on mobile

i wish i could still play the pc or quest verison, but i only have access to mobile currently

[oblique fossil]

Question

[gritty shard]

it would help if you actually asked the question

[fiery radish]

Answer. done

[ruby mauve]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[uncut basin]

Love that site

[ruby mauve]

There's also nohello.net yet I still get a lot of random hellos in my DM's

Anyways I gotta try playing VRC on the airplane I'm in rn lol

[serene breach]

I'll post this here so one of the Android developers can look through it, it seems as though Bluetooth earbuds or just Bluetooth in general doesn't seem to function at all. I don't know if it's my end I don't know if it's anybody else but I can't use the microphone on my earbuds and I can't even hear anybody talking but I'll hear the ambient music when you're between worlds and that's pretty much it

[uncut basin]

Devs probably won't read it here. but you can always post a canny for that exact topic https://feedback.vrchat.com/bug-reports

[serene breach]

Oh I see what you mean. I didn't know what you meant but yeah I'll post it

[unreal marsh]

https://feedback.vrchat.com/mobile-alpha/p/bt-microphone-not-turning-on

The game currently doesn't support bt mics

[serene breach]

Well that explains a lot

[unreal marsh]

Yeah it's fun wearing airpods but having to still hold my phone up to my face like I'm in a call lol.

[ruby mauve]

TFW you miss the headphone jack on your old phone

[serene breach]

Its annoying cause I can't even hear or speak, nothing works on my end for some reason

[teal plaza]

Why is the mic only push to talk and full mute?

[polar tundra]

there are mic settings in the quick menu audio settings

you can set it to toggle

[teal plaza]

I tried it doesn't have toggle

[polar tundra]

there are arrows to switch the settings for the mic to toggle in the quick menu

[polar tundra]

oh

it didn't do that for me
i don't know how to fix it

[teal plaza]

Some glitch ig

[untold solar]

If you have earbuds or headphones, you can plug those in, and set the push to talk to always on.

Or pair the Bluetooth

[latent quartz]

Hello, just wanted to ask if someone has a similar issue with that if FPS are on unlimited then they are not going over 30 but when I switch to capped they go on +-80fps (using xiaomi 12 just saying if in case that is just the phones problem)

[wide warren]

Thats strange

[rose steeple]

Unlimited 30 vs capped 82 xdd

[tiny tendon]

I have the same issue on a OnePlus 8 pro, however I have a 60fps cap

[obsidian pond]

It happens to me without the Capped issue. Deactivate the power saving on your phone

[latent quartz]

well the problem is I was on performence mode and when I turned it off nothing have hanged with my problem

[bronze tulip]

Hey,erm.. could you (devs) make vrc compatible for Samsung devices?

[sturdy pendant]

It is assuming you meat the minimum requirement of 6GB of RAM and Android 10

[polar tundra]

it works on newer samsung devices

[untold solar]

I use a Galaxy A52

[dark vigil]

Why does it not let me download on Google play I have android 13

[stone lark]

Do you have 6GB of RAM?

And if you do, do you have a Samsung phone, because those are apparently bugged from downloading atm.

[dark vigil]

I have a Motorola

[stone lark]

Which one specifically?

[midnight oyster]

I have the same issue. Moto Stylus 5G. Android 12 and 6GB of RAM.

[vapid orchid]

You got the 256GB variant?

[midnight oyster]

The what?

[vapid orchid]

Your phone has two variants: 128GB storage with 4GB RAM and 256GB storage and 6GB RAM.

[dense oasis]

Hi

[mystic plinth]

hey, i having problems in my vrchat, i cant see skin for other players, someone can help me?

[mellow sphinx]

I wonder if vrchat will come out for iOS-

[haughty notch]

like do u mean avatar of other people by skin then it will automatically download if u are on wifi after some time

[haughty notch]

it will take time for ios u will have to wait and also that it's been 5 to 6 months they released for Android but trust me it's buggy not always but sometimes it is

[oak arrow]

I have a Xiaomi Mi Pad 5 and it won't let me install VRChat. I have the tablet updated but it says an unsupported version and I have Android 13 but I don't have the Play Protect certification activated. I don't know if it has anything to do with it. Help.

[wooden orchid]

For some reason in Unity when i press choose platform android doesnt work why?

[magic timber]

same here

[fickle monolith]

Is there a way to tell if you can use an avatar on the mobile version of the game?
I've gone through at least 100 different ones and can't rlly find one that will load. It just gives me a default avatar instead.

[vapid orchid]

Quest = mobile.

One thing to note: Very Poor () will NOT load on mobile.

[polar tundra]

it will load if the performance rank is Poor or below
mobile can't load Very Poor avatars

[fickle monolith]

What does it mean by Very Poor?
Like Poor model or something? 🤔

[vapid orchid]

Performance rank.

It means it exceeds the limitations.

[fickle monolith]

Ohh kk

[tranquil sable]

I don't really understand the performance rank

Is there a world that had good performance rank avis?

[near lava]

I'd plug my world, but my avatars are, for the most part, undesirables

[dark vigil]

When will iPhone have mobile😭

[copper bridge]

when you upload an avatar, it will get a performance rank depending on optimized and how complex it is...
most avatars you see on VRChat are very poorly optimized, so you won't be able to see them on the android client

[dark yew]

Play Store said VRChat support my device
And still crash🤔

8G RAM
256G ROM and not full
Android 13
all permission granted
why,since the day one version gets crashed till now 🤔

[vapid orchid]

What device?

[dark yew]

Redmi K40 Gaming or Poco F3 GT Chinese version

[chilly geyser]

yooo. im running it on an unsupported device and doesnt crash

[vapid orchid]

Congrats?

[teal plaza]

Hey have they fixed the toggle for mic?

[sharp viper]

Is PTT not working for you too?

[untold solar]

I used it tonight, and it works great.

[half skiff]

Has anyone gotten VRC mobile working in an android emulator for easier testing? Was trying to get it working last night with a few different emulators but was getting nowhere with the app not launching

[light flint]

Use either Bluetooth or Plug in headphones

[dark vigil]

Vrc should also be on iPhone ngl

[stone lark]

That is the plan, but adding it to iPhone is significantly harder than Android, since they could just adapt the Quest version to be non-vr for Android.
And, it seems like IOS will be its own platform, meaning a third platform to upload to, not something VRChat can get around without a lot of work, or some really creative idea.

[near lava]

Hopefully they stick to the 6 GB of RAM requirements for that platform, given that the iPhone 12 Pro and a 1 TB model of a 3rd gen iPad Pro are the oldest iOS devices with that RAM space, which are 4 to 6 years old respectively at this point.

[stone lark]

Highly doubt they'd go lower, if they did then IOS would need different avatar rank metrics from Quest, which would make it an even bigger mess to make content for, best case you just upload your Quest stuff to IOS an it works.

[near lava]

Aight, true that, most of my multi-toggle, but still single-mesh, avatars could only go so low in poly count 🫠

[thin locust]

3rd platform would suck

i dont think i would do uploads for yet another platform

2 platforms is already time consuming as is

thats why i update my public avatars only every 6 months at most

[stone lark]

At the very least it would very likely use the exact same restrictions and metrics as Quest, so VRChat could make it automatically swap build target and upload.

Considering it has been found out that, at the very least, the VRChat home has an IOS build, a third build seems like the path they are taking.

[thin locust]

when ios releases and they do automatic build target switch on upload ios people gotta wait 6-12 months until they see my avatars

but i doubt vrchat would do that automatically

[untold solar]

I had two friends on iPhone on the PC side, but one was building the buttons like they use on Android mobile. They were in the iY MMD world.

[wheat lantern]

Yeah u wanted iOS on vrchat

[thin locust]

what

[wheat lantern]

Vrchat on iPhone

I wanted that too

[thin locust]

i never wanted that

i dont even own a iphone so i couldnt care less about vrchat existing on there

[young nimbus]

They said u but they meant I. Its a common typo because u is right next to I on the keyboard

[hidden hill]

How do I see other people's avatars? mine only shows the names