ue4-general

[plush yew]

any other ways ? 😆

like get reference and change it to that ?

[drowsy snow]

How exactly do you want to change the materials?

[plush yew]

you see the window, left and right,
i changed the material from a more stylized looking to another material and some changed but not all

[grim ore]

so maybe the other windows are different

[plush yew]

yes

[grim ore]

when you click on the mesh in the world, is it the one you changed in the details panel

[plush yew]

it had another material

yes

when i do go to mesh i get that mesh were the window is highlighted

[grim ore]

yeah it looks like they are using instances so your going to have some troubles automatically changing all the instances in the world

if they are named the same in the world, you can try and select all of them and then change them all at once

[plush yew]

i did name it badly haha xD

thanks, then the best thing to do for now is change it better do this houre some concentration material change then searching for 5 days how to solve this xD

[grim ore]

if its all the same name, wall_window_sm , just find window in the world outliner and you can select them all

[plush yew]

indeed much better but messy xD

thanks

[grim ore]

does your top animation have any actual animation?

you might want to change the blend bone to something higher then, otherwise its not going to have any of that animation

[plush yew]

mattheww?

a weathersystem with changing grounds is based on different material right ?
BP checks weather condition --->> is it snowing? ( true) -->> get material from landscape -->> change to material thats snowlike

[grim ore]

might need to jump into #animation then for some more advanced advice

[plush yew]

am i right ?

just thinking of how i shall try and make an weathersystem xD

[tiny zodiac]

Sorry i only saw your answer now. Transforming the cutter plane? But a plane isn't transformable as far as i know. I mean it is transformable in its direction and position, but i could never shape it or make it stop. It cuts all the way through.

[grim ore]

@plush yewthat is one way of doing it yes, using material instance to change a blend or something else that changes the material. You could also just change the material completely if its a complete change in weather needed

[drowsy snow]

So you want to partially "cut" through...

Fake it with (mesh) decals.

[tiny zodiac]

thank you. will study it.

[plush yew]

nice, well i think a blend would be beter

its for a skil lol xD

i had that dream i was using mine sharingan and i used that many shakra that even the weather changed to lightning and round me was a red kinda snow partical, i did heal the people and made a shield to protect them from the rinnengans big comet that was coming at us (

so i wanna make that skil in my game haha 😄

[tiny zodiac]

@drowsy snow I looked into it. the (mesh) decals. How expensive are they in performance? Because my project is about saving memory by cutting out parts of big army units in formation.
So imagine a square/cube, and when it gets attacked i just cut a chunk out of it. Rather than having 30 cubes inside a unit in formation, i have one square/cube, and just take chunks out of it.
Thats a cheap way to do it? So i thought of procedural mesh to do this. Do you think mesh decals will achieve the same? Or are mesh decals expensive in the cpu? The cut is supposed to be just a simple square cut on the big rectangle that represents the army unit

[plush yew]

it was like a combo of naruto/dreaming and dragonball made in 1 single animation skill xD

Does anybody know why when I put an actor like a water body ocean the landscape isn’t adjusted although i have both landmass plugin and edit layers in the landscape enabled?

[drowsy snow]

When in doubt, start with stat unitgraph

🤦‍♂️

[surreal cloak]

Just spawned a wood log from the Stylized Forest marketplace pack, into my new level.

I've enabled physics with the check box but when I hit simulate or play, it doesn't move, even though it is in mid air.

also in the message log I get this...

Anyone know what's going on here?

[grim ore]

open the mesh, change the collision type. so do what it says

[surreal cloak]

?

I don't see that parameter in the static mesh.

[grim ore]

see above picture

[surreal cloak]

I know, you opened the dropdown menu inside the "Collision Complexity" parameter.

I'm saying I have no Collision Complexity parameter, (so in turn, no drop down menu)

[grim ore]

show your screen? @surreal cloak

[grim ore]

and this is the static mesh editor?

because that doesnt look like the static mesh editor

that looks like your instance in the level. You need to double click on the mesh in the content browser to open the static mesh editor

[bleak zodiac]

that seems like Physics in the Details panel instead

[bright sigil]

scroll down silly, or use the search

[rare pulsar]

I have a question about Texturing

Maya => Substance Painter => Unreal Engine 4

I use the export method in Substance painter "Unreal Engine 4 Packed"

My question is why does it somehow give this stretched Marks in the end Product in Unreal Engine the UV is perfectly Unwrapped and the UV in Substance Painter looks exactly the Same but in Unreal Engine it looks like he takes the texture from the Top and the Bottom to the edge of the Image. Because what Substance Painted does is like this FADING at the edges .

Is that a Bug or is there a Problem in some of my Settings?

[bright sigil]

looks like edge dilation from sp

are you using this as a repeating texture? it looks like it

[rare pulsar]

no the texutre is unwrapped aroudn that thing

AHHHH

[rare pulsar]

ah its from the PANNER since it will rotate the whole texture around right ?

OK i see so i need to make the texture using the full 1x1 UV till the edge.

[distant siren]

I also get out of virtual memory messages .. how is it emptied?

[light thunder]

How do I get these failed to loads cleared, particularly that first one - it's got no place for me to navigate to, file wise, that I can see where the item is referenced incorrectly

[rare pulsar]

yes worked now perfect

I usualy was always making the UV smaller for other software game Engines so thats why i usualy leave some border around it.

But i was confused why it stretched so i guess if i use a PANNER i should allways use the whole 1x1 =)

[bright sigil]

Yeah. Requires tiling. You can put uvs along the edge without much issue in general

Can always clamp the xy of the texture for those that dont go outside of 0-1 space

[plush yew]

https://matlib.gpuopen.com/main/materials/all wow this just became free 😮

i wonder can i use it comercially, can't find any info yet

Finished my first cinematic in UE$! 😄 thanks for all the help peoples

now im gonna try to get my 360 to work with mocap

[twilit hearth]

does anyone know why i can't build my lighting?

here's the log but im not seeing an error

[plush yew]

make sure u have light volume setup just in case

[twilit hearth]

yeah i do

[charred blade]

What are these large squares on the navmesh

[olive rapids]

hello , I am working on creating a tutorial feature for the game but I think my aproach is a little bit complex than it should be. Would please recommend a tutorial video for making a tutorial 🙂

[barren coyote]

Hi, how can I get the actual size in the game world of a static mesh? These nodes report the same size no mater how large I scale the actor on the world, that is the size of the mesh in blender or as imported to UE, lets say that works out to be 10 units. If I scale the actor to 10 in the editor how can I get nods to return that value of 100 at runtime?

[tiny zodiac]

@drowsy snow @drowsy snow pls could you answer my comment when possible?

sorry to be annoying 😦

[winged lava]

Sorry if this is not the place to post I just thought some of u knowledgeable folks might know. Basically I get this error when trying to pack my game for android. It has seriously got me puzzled. THE ERROR ---> ERROR: cmd.exe failed with args /c "C:\Users\Glyn\Documents\Unreal Projects\Platformer Kit 2D 4.26 - 4.27\PlatformerKit2D_422_426\PlatformerKit2D\Intermediate\Android\armv7\gradle\rungradle.bat" :app:assembleDebug

[barren coyote]

try #mobile chanel

[winged lava]

anyone care 2 help a lad in trouble?

Mobile channel seems dead

[worthy flame]

a random question I have.
Can you use UE for software apps, or like office/work apps. Databases and calculations and things like that, is that possible in UE. I get that its mainly for games, am just curious

[thorn topaz]

yes

[bright sigil]

If you want an impressively rendered ms word competetor sure. But youd be stripping down so much and be better off with a blanker canvas

[worthy flame]

wdym stripping down and better w a blanker canvas?

[barren coyote]

well, for a ms word type app 90% of UE4 wont be needed

[bright sigil]

Start makin, youll see what i mean

Maybe im wrong 😋

[thorn topaz]

@bright sigil is right. You're probably better off with a C# app

[worthy flame]

idk, am just asking cuz ue is mainly if not only used for games

[vocal sorrel]

Hey everyone, does anyone know how to only stream landscape tiles when they are seen in the viewport?

[barren coyote]

@worthy flame like how a car can be used for moving furniture but most people would use a truck 🤷‍♂️

[bright sigil]

its more about rendering or visual effects

[bright sigil]

so if you want some crazy rendering effects in your word processor...... just work from a better base

[thorn topaz]

Disagree. More like how a car can be used to move a studio apartment but you choose 2 semi trailers instead

[worthy flame]

i understand what u mean by this. it is interesting to think about

[thorn topaz]

There's nothing wrong with using UE4/UE5. Just that it maybe a bit overkill. There are probably other softwares better suited towards your situation.

[worthy flame]

ye i get it. thanks for the info and feedback

[bright sigil]

are you just making a word processor or.... what?

[distant siren]

i only used blueprints, i didn't use any c ++, why does it ask me to install visual studio 2019?

[bright sigil]

dunno, i think you need it installed but dont need to use it..... maybe? its been awhile since i installed a new engine version, but i think thats a thing it needs

[worthy flame]

no, something like databases, finances, plans, calculations reports. things like that

and later on some visual things that show things visually for better perception. but thats just a bonus

[bright sigil]

sounds like you probably also want security then, but i cant think of other platforms of software for that sort of stuff

[worthy flame]

yes

[distant siren]

so it must also be installed without using any C ++. ok

[bright sigil]

and if its 2d visuals, i mean, i guess its possible in Unity since its more of a blank canvas

probably some other engines

i know XNA exists, but that about it lol, maybe thats better

[bright sigil]

thats my guess

[worthy flame]

was goin for 3d if possible. but wasnt really the point of the app the visualization.

[bright sigil]

well unity does 3d as well

[worthy flame]

ur sayin unity is better for these kind of things than ue?

[bright sigil]

i dunno

i only know game engines XD

[worthy flame]

lol, same

[bright sigil]

in Unity, you start from a blank level though

[distant siren]

but why does it ask for the visual studio version 2017 and elsewhere it requires the 2019 version? which one should i install?

[bright sigil]

level as in a blank starting point

[bright sigil]

i dunno, maybe look up online

[bright sigil]

i just mean your not stripping away much when you start in Unity

[worthy flame]

question then, is it possible to make this somewhere else and make the hud/gui thingy and the rest in ue?

[bright sigil]

i have no idea, but i suppose programmers can do near anything

(not art 😈 )

[worthy flame]

lol

[barren coyote]

was referring to the right tool for the job, not suggesting UE4 is a truck 🤣

Use a hammer to drive a nail, a nail puller to remove it, UE4 is the wrong tool for making an office application

[raw harbor]

does starting with making a small fps game by following tutorials help me learn bp?

[bright sigil]

sure, or just poke around at the variables and learn what the settings do, and if something doesnt seem to work, look it up

[worthy flame]

pretty much ^^

[bright sigil]

if you know 0 of bp, then follow whatever tuts you like

[raw harbor]

i already tried to make bouncy cube sim 2022, and failed

i did the bp right, i just didnt mange to make the controls work on the assigned camera

so i just gave up

[bright sigil]

right on, i guess try another project and see what you can do

[raw harbor]

tried to model the car for my other game, failed and was like screw it il make a fps game

now i dont want to even start

[bright sigil]

maybe youll come back to bouncy cube sim after a break doing something else

[raw harbor]

the constant failing of me doing anything and the realsization that i cant do anything new is just keeping me away from starting again

[bright sigil]

or i could say you lack discipline and to work through your problems, regardless of scope and keep working on bouncy sim

[raw harbor]

i just wanna level design, thats it, i want to make a team and the others do everuthing else and work on a group project

[bright sigil]

the unappealing nature of programming/coding is that a feature or bug can take 2 minutes to make or 2 weeks to fix

[bright sigil]

then work on levels to a degree that they look awesome

give up on all other facets and focus on that specialization

[raw harbor]

but then how can i make the game without knowing anything else

[bright sigil]

pick something and stick with it until its pro level

[worthy flame]

pick something, try things. google how to do something u have an idea for. copy some code online, understand what it does. apply to other things. do anything even if its over and over the same thing. I didnt know how to make materials a few years ago and what they did

[bright sigil]

well you cant, making a game takes more than just one skill, hence a team, if you want others to know you are serious, you need to have something to show for it

so work on a level design portfolio

[worthy flame]

i remember i made like 5 different projects w level design w new materials and i just remade them cuz i didnt like the last one, even tho i could delete it. i did it over and over again until i learend/understood it and moved on to antoher thing

[raw harbor]

can someone atleast tell me what to do with frsac camera, i have a cube and controller base and set the controller base n level thing deafults, when i start the game the free camera is the only shit that i can play with

[drowsy snow]

Start with modding.

[bright sigil]

i think im going to sit on your requests until you stop flip flopping between skillsets and show a seriousness towards one

[pallid talon]

Question...
I understand what referencing &, and dereferencing * in C++ is, but I do not understand when to use it in UE4 C++. For example:

USphereComponent* CreateSphere;
How do I know when to use *?

[drowsy snow]

I was started from modding, and it eventually snowballed from there

[drowsy snow]

Basically referencing when you want to have object reference variable of a class. Typically UObject and derivatives.

[bright sigil]

modding and lack of internet and knowledge back in the day forced many of us to learn the only way possible

[raw harbor]

how do i change the deafult camera, i want to get rid of the free cam and use the cam i added to the cube

[pallid talon]

Oh ok, so anytime I have an object like a mesh, sphere, cube, etc. I would need a reference pointer?

[drowsy snow]

Change the default pawn in your game mode, or make your pawn/character auto possess to player 0

[raw harbor]

where is that located

[bright sigil]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/ - they have a search function. exhaust yourself by using the internet first.

[slow tinsel]

Hey there, I have a question for anyone who's experienced with UE4's particle systems. I was curious as to whether or not it's possible for these individual particles to animate independently of each other. I was wondering if it would be possible to create a strategy game in the vein of Total War or Nobunaga's Ambition with thousands of units on screen (using 2D images instead of models for obvious reasons) and thought that particles might be a good workaround as opposed to having potentially hundreds of actors running code at once.

[drowsy snow]

Certainly not in this server, because we use UE4 or newer (some might stick to UE3/UDK, but I'd say that's a super rare occurence)

[drowsy snow]

Niagara could fake some crowd, but certainly NOT for gameplay reasons.
The expectation with particle system is that it should be purely cosmetic.

[slow tinsel]

Well, the intent is that they would be cosmetic, they'd just be visual representations of the units, whereas the formation itself is the one running damage calculations, and the individual unit sprites are just there for decoration. If that makes sense.

[drowsy snow]

Also if you want hundreds of actors running all at once, handle the tick in C++.

[drowsy snow]

Oh, okay, that's sounds very doable with Niagara.

[tiny zodiac]

@drowsy snow could you help me pls?

i was thinking about niagara. or the technique im coming up now.

[drowsy snow]

I don't work with procedural mesh, but seems like you want to make cavity more than a one dimensional slice stopped in the middle.

[tiny zodiac]

exactly

others have suggested to make 2 slices and then join together the pieces you want to remain intact and delete the other

cavity is a decalc?

[fringe pivot]

Have anyone noticed a bug where editor dropdowns close as soon as you open them until you restart it?

[drowsy snow]

NVIDIA?

[fringe pivot]

yes

[drowsy snow]

See pinned messages

[tiny zodiac]

anyways thank you @drowsy snow 🙏 🍣 arigato

[drowsy snow]

どういた~

[fringe pivot]

Well I'm not reinstalling graphics drivers, at least not without an explanation about what is the issue and how this would fix it.

Unless you are referring to something else.

[drowsy snow]

There's one custhelp link among them, might want to check that one out

[lime sorrel]

for some reason import uniform scale completely stopped working for me

[plush yew]

hello, someone knows how can i rip unreal engine 4 games maps?

[raw harbor]

im trying to make it so when player hits ground, a variable is set to true and disables input for player, however its not working any idea?

[rare pulsar]

I am not sure if they gave you answer about the matlib website, is says in there info "all submited materials need to be under licence CC0 or MIT" so you can use it commerical.

[fierce tulip]

@idle mantle might wanna read the #rules, your post should go into #released

[drowsy snow]

We don't condone asset ripping here.

[plush yew]

ok

[fierce tulip]

casts a stern look

[raw harbor]

Thank you

[prime willow]

Spare him for know not what judgement he has brought onto his vessel

https://tenor.com/view/girl-please-beg-anime-gif-12802079

[light thunder]

You'd probably want something like Notion for that, or another collob/database software

@worthy flame sorry I was answering your question, not Conrads

replied to the reply

[raw harbor]

well, i want it when i land on a certain thing

guys i need help, i want to make it so when the player collides with the ground the input gets disabled, all the tutorials i found were when the collision is with player itself, i dont want that, i want it for when i collide with the ground it does that, i added this bp to the ground but it still doesnt want to, what im i doing wrong?

this is the bp of the cube

do i add it to the player itself?, if i add it to the player it will disable the input on any collision, i just want it on floor collision

[urban ether]

Hey quick question is there a way to get world composition (or anything similar) to work in all 3 dimensions ( stacking levels on top of each other)?

[safe sentinel]

has anyone ever had the issue where I can't open certain engine versions in file explorer/taskbar etc (only through epic games launcher)???

[stray geyser]

Any idea on how to calculate clicks per second?

Should I measure (every second) the clicks? And just display that (for myself)?

[bright sigil]

Spitballing.... a looping 1 sec timer that prints the number of clicks. On the click input, increment int. Timer clears it after it logs it.

[stray geyser]

Love the idea, thanks!

[bright sigil]

Np. There might already be this kind of functionality from the engine but i dunno of it

[stray geyser]

Yeah, I tried looking, but I like the sound of your implementation.

Thanks!

[bright sigil]

Hope it gets u somewhere

[lilac mirage]

Hi, I'm Completely new to UE
is it normal that when I open UE it uses 100% CPU usages? I'm also a bit worried that CPU temp goes to 92 C degree

I'm currently using Laptop, acer nitro 5, Intel I7 11800H, RTX 3050, 32GB Ram, SSD NVMe around 3000MBps read speed

[stiff vine]

Complete newby with gaming engines but I created a physical 3D printed game, and want to include sensors and a microcontroller so I can read out locations in the physical game live and display them on a pc / phone and thought a game engine might be good for that but not a clue on where I would start. The end goal with the game engine would be more like an interactive experience with music and graphics depending on where you are as an addition to the physical game it won't be a game on itself. (I hope this makes any sense)

[bright sigil]

without any familiarity with engines (assuming programming too?) its quite the challenge, but hey anythings possible

you could do some kind of mixed AR with unreal though

[stiff vine]

I have some python, arduino and vb.net experience if that counts

[bright sigil]

that would probably help with the hardware side of things, but i dont code with the engine 😛 so i only know what i know

check out the epic games content on the market place, they have an xr demo that might give you a better idea https://unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/project-anywhere-xr

if you do dive into it, you'll probably get more help from #virtual-reality

[stiff vine]

thanks, was thinking about vr but I mostly would like to know how to integrate parameters / coordinates from self build input like an arduino. All I want for now is 2 rectangles a grid and display a point on each grid

thanks just having to think about what I actually want already helps

[bright sigil]

ive never worked in vr or ar, though would like to (as an artist) at some point so im unsure of the whole setup and whatnot

thats pretty much the extent of my advice 😁

[neon magnet]

Hey guys, is there a way to merge actors and ignore hidden static meshes?
I have a lot of meshes that are basically placeholder, but they were legit meshes because they are the actual models before eventually I made blueprints and placed those blueprints in the exact spot (doors most popularly). I could go and delete all the hidden ones but it's kind of a drag and hoping there's just an option somewhere to ignore static meshes that are hidden/not visible

[raw harbor]

first working code i did by myself!

its easy yes, ik, and i can say it myself, im just so happy i manged to do something compared to my failed other attempts

[kindred depot]

using a collision box as a death box 😉

[raw harbor]

yessir!

i have a question tho

[kindred depot]

hey man congratz tho for sticking with this and not leaving after one day 🙂 that is what i love to see!

[raw harbor]

i was man, i worked on smth today and failed and was so sad and just said this isnt my thing, but i tried again when i got another idea of how i can do my code and it worked!

[kindred depot]

moral of that situation, never give up 😉

[raw harbor]

when i create a variable that is boolian, the one that stores yes or no, i made it so when i collide with the box the boolian is set to yes, how do i make it so when the boolian is yes it disables player input? bec i tried doing that code in the cube bp and it didnt work, same time when i tried to do in the player bp, i cant get the variable, any idea of what im thinking about or is this not how i should excute it?

[raw harbor]

thanks man ❤️

[kindred depot]

I mean...

have you tried typing the words, disable input?

[raw harbor]

yes, i did it so when collision overlap occurs, it disables input and from disable input , get player controller, this seems not to work

this is the floor's bp

not player, bec i cant make it in player

[raw harbor]

is it wrong?

[kindred depot]

from youtube video

[raw harbor]

its not really clear if you can send the link

[kindred depot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_sn34jLbBU&t=77s&ab_channel=TeslaDev

[raw harbor]

it works!

thanks man, its all just bec i didnt add player charecter as target

the target was (self)

thanks ❤️

[kindred depot]

literally everything is on youtube, you get stuck go on youtube. Try typing it in youtube 30 different ways.

[bright sigil]

looking good birb

[raw harbor]

thanks man!

[ruby quarry]

Okay, what's the trick to moving folders and files in a project? I was trying to clean up my assets by moving things into new folders, like furniture items into a furniture folder, drink items into a drinks folder...But even though things seemed to move, the original folders remained. So in the example of the ATM, the original ATM folder remained, but in Unreal it was empty. Deleting in within Unreal wasn't working so I went to delete in in Explorer. Except in Explorer the folder wasn't empty. Upon further investigation I now had the original folder (not empty) and the moved folder in the furniture folder (also not empty). So, two copies, both not actually empty, but within Unreal the original folder shows as empty. This is the case for everything I tried moving. So, I tried deleting the original ATM folder. Problem is, when reloading my project, it complains it can't find the files in that folder. So I figured the move didn't work and moved the folder back out of the furniture folder in Explorer. Now reloading the project it complains that the moved files no longer exist. So do I now have to have BOTH folders available? Or what's going on and how do I fix it? Sorry for the long explanation...

[bright sigil]

alright

migrate

yes, within the same project

second point, since folders have been moved

fix redirectors constantly

that wont solve it though

but it helps

open up file explorer so you can see the folders/uassets of where you have moved them, there will still be those "duplicate" or original uassets, but their size should be 1kb or 0kb

that means its just the director

so as a very last step, delete it

consider all of this with a grain of salt, and BACK YOUR SHIT UP

[kindred depot]

This is all wrong. Just drag the folder, or files and do an advanced migrate.

[bright sigil]

yes Migrate is best, dragging folder leaves shit behind

you may still run into having to update references as well

[kindred depot]

You manually delete that one >_< I hate the editor freeze lol

[ruby quarry]

Hmmm...Okay. Weirdness. Why have a move option if it doesn't actually move? Bleh! Thanks for the advice!

[bright sigil]

well i do it while its open, but safer would be to shut it down

[ruby quarry]

move cleanly, I mean...

[bright sigil]

and sometimes they actually go away because the engine is no longer using it

[bright sigil]

Migrate is your best option, like i said

i moved a whole bunch of folders all into a main folder under my content, and even with migrate i had some manual cleanup to do

im on 4.26

[ruby quarry]

Okay, thanks.

[bright sigil]

spam fix redirectors as much as you like, do it on your content folder

[kindred depot]

I enjoy having all my files organized. So I use _Assets/Game/Character _Assets/Game/Maps

etc.

[bright sigil]

well when you get marketplace content...

[kindred depot]

Yes

i do this with all marketplace stuff

[bright sigil]

but yes, its better to plan a folder structure ahead or early

[kindred depot]

instanly migrate it

lol

[bright sigil]

lol yeah, but they dont go to the right places for me

[kindred depot]

some things you can not migrate tho, like certian bps, enums.

[bright sigil]

mmmmmmmmmm enums and structs, those can get funky

but i did get everything good in the end, based on what was suggested up top

[kindred depot]

example, ballistic VFX has to stay in the content folder 😦

[bright sigil]

including making a backup to know how things were connected in case those break

[kindred depot]

to many errors

[bright sigil]

i had to hook up a bunch of textures from some marketplace assets for whatever reason

it was tedious but i referred to the pre-migrate backup

[bright sigil]

yeah, shit like that

i left the mannequin folder alone lol kept losing ALL OF MY ANIMS

[ruby quarry]

Oh God! I've made my own personal hell! haha I'd been working on this project off my OneDrive so I could work on it at work as well as at home. I recently moved my One Drive folder to another drive and now the project is doing stuff across both the old and new drives! Gah!

[bright sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-flame-elmo-fire-burn-gif-16641621

sounds like it

[raw harbor]

looking at some tutorials on cpp, they dont really explain the terms. like what does int mean, what does cout mean, what does return 0 do or mean, etc, is there a place to see what those mean?

learncpp.com doesnt seem to explaing ether

if im not mistaken

[bright sigil]

man i dont really know that shit either

except for int, thats an integer 😛

and I THINK return 0 means the result would be 0 if that gets called

cout? count?

[raw harbor]

idk man, they should teach use this

[bright sigil]

well i picked up this sort of understanding from bp vids and such

[raw harbor]

attleast bp is understandable, but wtf is uproperty and cout like bruh

[bright sigil]

its an unreal property

there's a large amount of "Unreal Code" in addition to the normal cpp language

API's are a programmers best friend

[raw harbor]

i guess i should stick with bp until i know almost everything and what it does and means, and maybe just maybe see if i can do cpp

[bright sigil]

like i said, i dont really know what all that cpp stuff means

but i can bp no prob

[raw harbor]

do you rely on bp?

[bright sigil]

rely? well i guess

[raw harbor]

like all of your games are bp?

[bright sigil]

yeh

except for my unity games

those are C#

[raw harbor]

man i need to remove this shit idea that it will ruin performance, like alot of games were made on bp, even some games looking AAA

[bright sigil]

oh you'll know when you ruin performance

[raw harbor]

this shouldnt be a worry thats what i mean

[bright sigil]

the game will run like a potato

first rule of optimization is: optimize later

[raw harbor]

my worry tho is when i learn bp, i wont understand cpp bec i dont understand terms, i need to understand what this mean so i can write a code i understand

[bright sigil]

great thing about cpp or bp is you can always improve it

nah, that wont be a problem

[raw harbor]

i should work on a project in the future entirly on bp then later slowly learn cpp and convert

[bright sigil]

it wont be 1 to 1 obviously, but i think you just need to understand the concepts

and bp are less friction

[kindred depot]

everything in blueprint is the same in c++ you will start to notice similar things when you open up a c++ file

[raw harbor]

can i learn most cpp terms / have a background when i start by learning bp?

[bright sigil]

then try some cpp here and there

totally

blueprints are a layer above cpp

[raw harbor]

im looking at it and i just dont understand what the terms mean so i can use it

[bright sigil]

oh i hear yah!

[woven marlin]

Converting a project from 4.27 to 4.27.1 and this happens :/ any idea why?

Running C:/x/x/Desktop/Folders/PotatosProject/UE-2.71.1/Engine/Binaries/DotNET/UnrealBuildTool.exe Development Win64 -Project="D:/x/Epic Games/UE_4.25/Potatos 4.27 - 4 4.27/Potatos.uproject" -TargetType=Editor -Progress -NoEngineChanges -NoHotReloadFromIDE
WARNING: Running from a path with a long directory name ("C:\Users\foxs1\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1" = 55 characters). Root paths shorter than 50 characters are recommended to avoid exceeding maximum path lengths on Windows.
Using 'git status' to determine working set for adaptive non-unity build (C:\x\x\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1).
Creating makefile for PotatosEditor (no existing makefile)
@progress push 5%
Creating makefile for UnrealHeaderTool (no existing makefile)
@progress push 5%
@progress pop
Parsing headers for PotatosEditor
  Running UnrealHeaderTool "D:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.25\Potatos 4.27 - 4 4.27\Potatos.uproject" "D:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.25\Potatos 4.27 - 4 4.27\Intermediate\Build\Win64\PotatosEditor\Development\PotatosEditor.uhtmanifest" -LogCmds="loginit warning, logexit warning, logdatabase error" -Unattended -WarningsAsErrors -abslog="C:\Users\foxs1\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1\Engine\Programs\UnrealBuildTool\Log_UHT.txt"
LogInit: Display: Loading text-based GConfig....
LogCompile: Error: Circular dependency detected for filename D:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.25\Potatos 4.27 - 4 4.27\Source\Potatos\Characters\PotatosCharacter.h!
Reflection code generated for PotatosEditor in 5.0804548 seconds
@progress pop
ERROR: Building would modify the following engine files:

[raw harbor]

photatos project XD

[woven marlin]

xD

[bright sigil]

i have to sit there for awhile to reread the same code before i get a sense of what it does

and even then id have a guess, maybe confident if i recognize enough of it

[kindred depot]

Using 'git status' to determine working set for adaptive non-unity build (C:\x\x\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1).```

[raw harbor]

i tried learncpp, but i kinda dont like reading, im better off with "learn cpp in one video" the video: 6h

[bright sigil]

yeah like this shit

see how fast atomik found the problem?

[raw harbor]

he too good

[bright sigil]

im readin 'git status' right now

but lol its so simple

[kindred depot]

the issue here is you need to generate the .cpp file for your project

do this by; opening your project in 4.27

[raw harbor]

man deserves a role xd

[kindred depot]

NO never.

[woven marlin]

i did :/

but only happens when i do that with source code engine

[kindred depot]

You went to tools, generate new c++ class

and generated the source code?

[woven marlin]

wait

[raw harbor]

that one dude with those letters @drowsy snow deserves a role, he very active and helping alot here

sorry for the ping 😦

[woven marlin]

why would i need to do that?

[bright sigil]

yeah hoodie guy is another smartie

[woven marlin]

if code already exists

[kindred depot]

you have a .sln file inside your project folder?

[woven marlin]

yep

[kindred depot]

did you right click, change engine versions?

then open the sln and compile it?

thats the way it works.

[bright sigil]

and atomik knows this because they've had to solve this problem, possibly enough times that they recognize all the signs

[woven marlin]

i thought unreal will do the changes?

[raw harbor]

ama rest for a bit then later today or tmr work on bouncing cube sim 2022, heck il make it a working game with ui, levels and shit, il post it here if i can

[kindred depot]

unreal engine sucks when trying to do that way. Just follow my lead it will work

[woven marlin]

so i will open sln

then compile it?

and then convert?

[kindred depot]

did you switch engine version tho

[woven marlin]

how do i change engine version in sln?

[kindred depot]

Just right click on main project

and it should show up " Switch Unreal engine versions"

[ruby quarry]

What's the general opinion of people these days? If I'm essentially at the start of my project, and it would benefit greatly from Lumen and Nanite, is there any reason to NOT start working on the project in UE5? I'm not only at the start of my project, but I'm also quite new to game dev in general. So, it could be as much as year or more before my game might be ready for release and my understanding is that UE5 is due for full release in the spring...

[bright sigil]

UE5 is not stable, so you have a bumpier learning experience

if you need lumen and nanite, then i cant really detour you from using it

but if you can, it would be less problem-laden to work in ue4

[kindred depot]

Well you could work in EA, but its 100% not recommended. UE5.0 from github will give you errors. You need to learn to save everytime you are done with any little edit.

[bright sigil]

plus you may upgrade to 5 whenever you like

[ruby quarry]

I'm not exactly stable either. Hahaha! It's not that I need lumen or nanite, it's just that for the look I'm going for some things, it would just be easier to use those...

[bright sigil]

you say that...

[woven marlin]

i can't see it

[kindred depot]

no the uproject

[bright sigil]

i think you should go with ue4

upgrade to ue5 when you feel youre ready

[woven marlin]

ohhh

gotcha atomik

[drowsy snow]

Unless you're a filmmaker, you don't have much real reason to use UE5 right now

[kindred depot]

that UI tho... and the instaclick fixes for invalid variables.

[woven marlin]

ima kill myself

[kindred depot]

Yes

build the .sln now

Open .sln in visual studio

right click on project name, and build.

[woven marlin]

ok

[round light]

anyone available to help on an issue im having with the Editable Text node?

still cant figure this out 😦 any advice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQNx0utpV68&t=618s&ab_channel=MattAsplandhaving

[woven marlin]

1>------ Build started: Project: Potatos, Configuration: Development_Editor x64 ------
1>UnrealBuildTool : warning : Running from a path with a long directory name ("C:\Users\foxs1\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1" = 55 characters). Root paths shorter than 50 characters are recommended to avoid exceeding maximum path lengths on Windows.
1>Using 'git status' to determine working set for adaptive non-unity build (C:\Users\foxs1\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1).
1>Waiting for 'git status' command to complete
1>Building PotatosEditor and ShaderCompileWorker...
1>Using Visual Studio 2019 14.24.28319 toolchain (C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\Community\VC\Tools\MSVC\14.24.28314) and Windows 10.0.18362.0 SDK (C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\10).
1>Building 5 actions with 16 processes...
1>  [1/5] dte80a.tlh
1>C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio\2019\Community\MSBuild\Microsoft\VC\v160\Microsoft.MakeFile.Targets(44,5): error MSB3073: The command "C:\Users\foxs1\Desktop\Folders\PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1\Engine\Build\BatchFiles\Build.bat -Target="PotatosEditor Win64 Development -Project=\"D:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.25\Potatos 4.27 - 4\Potatos.uproject\"" -Target="ShaderCompileWorker Win64 Development -Quiet" -WaitMutex -FromMsBuild" exited with code 6.
1>Done building project "Potatos.vcxproj" -- FAILED.
========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========

[ruby quarry]

No, not a filmmaker, but am interested in a certain level of realism...

[kindred depot]

why is your unreal engine inside your project folder?

[woven marlin]

i saved them inside unreal engine x.x

[bright sigil]

if your that dead set, then you might as well open it up and see what you can do in it

[kindred depot]

PotatosProject\UE-2.71.1

what is..UE-2.71.1

[woven marlin]

don't worry about PotatosProject

its not the project

its just a directory

UE-2.71.1 is the engine

[ruby quarry]

Worst case scenario I start over again in 4.xx...Will only be like the 8th time I've started over. hehe

[kindred depot]

D:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.25\Potatos 4.27 - 4\Potatos.uproject""

[bright sigil]

yeah exactly, just wasting time, dive in already!

[kindred depot]

the issue could be all the .%$#@! letters and the spaces.

SO confused on your directory.. and worried at the same time.

[bright sigil]

is it that the 4.27.1 is on c but thinks its on d? thats the old on on the d right? there is also the "too long name" warning

[kindred depot]

https://tenor.com/view/error-windows-glitch-gif-5012719

[trim mesa]

Isnt't this the way, animationw works in ue4?

because this code, is not working at my side

pls someone help me

[bright sigil]

oh dude thats actually giving me some ptsd

[trim mesa]

run the animation on collision

[trim mesa]

help me conrad

[bright sigil]

its a way animation works

but i dont think its the way you actually want

[kindred depot]

are you trying to play an animation on overlap with out a montage?

[trim mesa]

with overlap

[kindred depot]

Just add the animation as a montage, and inside your anim graph create a slot. inside your anim montage add the slot name, done.

[bright sigil]

i have a feeling this is going to open up to learning about montages - possibly slots an-

yeeaahhh.....

[kindred depot]

I KNOES IT ALL >_<

[bright sigil]

dont forget to setup the cached anim and blend per bone as well 🤪

[bright sigil]

oh its more that im sure this is unknown knowledge

arcane if you prefer

[kindred depot]

This is what failed game dev feels like 🙂

lol

[bright sigil]

there's been a lot of feelings...

[trim mesa]

whats montage

[trim mesa]

whats montage

[bright sigil]

@kindred depot with your all mighty knowledge

[trim mesa]

cant you explain?

[bright sigil]

ofc, just teasing atomik

[trim mesa]

ok

so please explain

[kindred depot]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/AnimatingObjects/SkeletalMeshAnimation/AnimMontage/

[bright sigil]

usually your animations are the anim graph, locomotion - move, jump, right? montages are used for lots of "interruptive" animations. such as one off animations like attacking or reacting to a hit

[trim mesa]

will read, but i need someone to explain me here too

[kindred depot]

it feels like basic knowledge to me.. I'm almost done with advanced stuff 🙂

those videos are outdated af

[bright sigil]

there needs to be some way to resume the locomotion set by the anim graph after the animation fires and montages handle this

[bright sigil]

yeeaahh..... and ive already been helping other people who simply hit a wall seeing that older notify ui

[kindred depot]

Honestly tho, this will show you the way.

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.26/en-US/AnimatingObjects/SkeletalMeshAnimation/AnimMontage/UserGuide/

[bright sigil]

@trim mesa look at it this way, it took me a long time to understand what montages do let alone use them, so prepare to depart from your actual game for a bit while you learn this system

[kindred depot]

LOL facts.

[trim mesa]

yeah, my animation is idle, btw i didnt create a "Animation blueprint", as i have just used the animation of ue4 assets, "Animal Variety Pack"

[bright sigil]

so you understand now...#ue4-general message

[kindred depot]

Yeah i get it 🙂

[trim mesa]

i am so confused rn

pls explainme

[bright sigil]

i think you've elected yourself as tutor

[kindred depot]

Wait till you guys try and understand control rigs

[trim mesa]

in a easy langauge

[bright sigil]

😏

[bright sigil]

i plan on it when i get to anims

[trim mesa]

ok, so what should i do first

pls explain me step by step

[kindred depot]

ill find a video for you its easier to watch

than to read from discord.

[trim mesa]

tell me

[bright sigil]

while atomik is finding those vids, i will outline the things:

anim bp graph state machine for locomotion
montage versions of the animations to call as one offs
slot and blend per bone setup in anim gp event graph
montages setup to use slot
bp logic to call the montage

[trim mesa]

what is anim bp graph

[kindred depot]

Pretty much explains it real easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbvBCTtJ30&ab_channel=enigmatutorials

[bright sigil]

these are all outlined for you to look up videos/docs for

[trim mesa]

ok, will see it

[cedar wave]

👆 <@&213101288538374145>

[bright sigil]

We need Roy! Roy is Awesome!

[kindred depot]

just follow the base not the left and right aims no anim modify as well

[trim mesa]

it will be nice of you if you explain me here

atomik and conrad

[bright sigil]

essentially i have, anymore and it would be longer than what a tutorial video covers

[kindred depot]

Here. I will guide you thru this.

ready?

[trim mesa]

ok , sure

both of you

[kindred depot]

Right click on the animation you want to create the montage for.

[trim mesa]

atomik and conrad

start explaining me

[kindred depot]

Create a montage of that animation.

Open that montage.

[bright sigil]

i think atomik can cover this. and i dont have to, id prefer you learn things yourself, regardless of the problem, lest you rely on being spoonfed every answer

[trim mesa]

on it

[bright sigil]

thanks Jack!

[kindred depot]

create a new slot.

[trim mesa]

Atomik

[kindred depot]

call it what ever.

[trim mesa]

there will be two animation

like there will be walking

and when the wolf will hit the collision

[kindred depot]

I got work in 20 minutes 😉

[trim mesa]

the idle animation will start

so for which animation should i create the montage for

idle

or walking

[kindred depot]

Wait...

wait

animation montages are only used for animations you want to blend with the base locomotion animbp.

[bright sigil]

yes, please back up and start there

[trim mesa]

??, Whats locomotions

explain easily

i am still beginners

[kindred depot]

You need to learn the anim graph first and how that works. Understanding that you need to create a state machine to place your Idle, stop starts. run crouch. etc..

open up the third person bp anim bp and learn from it.

OR open up Windwalker Echo and try the advanced way off the bat.

[bright sigil]

does that one use cr?

[kindred depot]

yes

[bright sigil]

ic..... nice

[kindred depot]

just for slope walking tho

no orientation warping or anything ;/

[bright sigil]

i guess that could still help..

im mainly interested in making anims within engine from scratch

one less hurdle

[kindred depot]

very easy to do with keyframes and controlrig

[trim mesa]

what the

[bright sigil]

yeah, i guess i had some fails when i tried it before, 4.26 so maybe its a version engine thing

[trim mesa]

its so confusing

[kindred depot]

Yes welcome to game dev beginner course part 2.

[bright sigil]

not expecting this stuff to click instantly, like i said, get ready to depart from your goals to learn something rather advanced

[kindred depot]

Looking at the animgraph for the first time can be overwhelming. dont give up.

fedex time 😦 ugh bye.

[toxic hound]

Hi, i'm having the following error message while trying to build my test project. what am i doing wrong?

:\Program Files\Epic Games\UE_4.27\Engine\Binaries\Win64\UE4Editor-Cmd.exe" -clean -compressed -ddc=InstalledDerivedDataBackendGraph -pak -prereqs -distribution -nodebuginfo -targetplatform=Win64 -build -clientconfig=Shipping -utf8output
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): WARNING: Error while enumerating Visual Studio toolchains
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): WARNING: Assuming no compilation capability.
PackagingResults: Warning: Error while enumerating Visual Studio toolchains
PackagingResults: Warning: Assuming no compilation capability.
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): Setting up ProjectParams for C:\Users\ALX\Documents\Unreal Projects\MyDrive\MyDrive.uproject
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): MyDrive.uproject requires a temporary target.cs to be generated (RawInput plugin is enabled)
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): ERROR: C:\Users\ALX\Documents\Unreal Projects\MyDrive\MyDrive.uproject does not look like uproject file but no targets have been found!
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)):        (see C:\Users\ALX\AppData\Roaming\Unreal Engine\AutomationTool\Logs\C+Program+Files+Epic+Games+UE_4.27\Log.txt for full exception trace)
PackagingResults: Error: C:\Users\ALX\Documents\Unreal Projects\MyDrive\MyDrive.uproject does not look like uproject file but no targets have been found!
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): AutomationTool exiting with ExitCode=1 (Error_Unknown)
UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): BUILD FAILED
PackagingResults: Error: Unknown Error
LogSlate: Window 'ProjectLauncher' being destroyed

[bright sigil]

vehicle template project?

[toxic hound]

yes

[bright sigil]

did you do stuff or is this just the project?

as in, you made the template and then are trying to build?

[toxic hound]

yes, i did quite few stuffs,

[bright sigil]

mhm...

using cpp at all?

[toxic hound]

no, i just picked a new project, and select the game type (vehicle), added few blueprints.

no C++ integration

[bright sigil]

how about plugins?

[toxic hound]

I activated the rawinput plugins if i remembered

[bright sigil]

UATHelper: Packaging (Windows (64-bit)): MyDrive.uproject requires a temporary target.cs to be generated (RawInput plugin is enabled) correct

[toxic hound]

yes,

[bright sigil]

from what i read, uproject isnt found, by what im not sure, i would guess the plugin

never used the plugin though

you could try making a new project and build without the plugin to see if it still occurs

[toxic hound]

Everything is being saved, i believe it will be in .uproject extension

[bright sigil]

well the line there says "requires a temporary target.cs" to be generated, so i assume you need to edit some .cs file for this plugin to know where the uproject is -- but im merely guessing

therefore, the root project folder location

[toxic hound]

.cs, that's C# file, right ?

[bright sigil]

where is where uproject lives

sounds like it

i guess the plugin is using cs

these are all guesses 🙂

[toxic hound]

ok,

I've done a lot on the project, creating a new new one, hmm

[bright sigil]

Just to see if the plugin is the issue

[toxic hound]

ok, good

[bright sigil]

Not saying to start over

[toxic hound]

yes , i get you

[prime willow]

spoonfed me my whole game than market and sell it for me than gimme all dah moneh

hardwork takes too much brain power i wanna win instantly

https://tenor.com/view/chika-chika-dance-anime-anime-dance-dance-gif-13973731

[bright sigil]

so yeah...

gunna consider all of that sarcastic rhetoric

[sonic granite]

i want to make an effect that makes my scene fall off to complete black

like ur in heavy fog

how would i achieve such an effect

[bright sigil]

atmospheric and/or height fog

[toxic hound]

@bright sigil it didn't work out after I created a sample project, I still face the same error

[sonic granite]

i tried to use height fog, but when i make the abledo black it just becomes transparent =\

[bright sigil]

ah thats a bummer

wait

disable the plugin

[toxic hound]

ok

[bright sigil]

i am using atmospheric fog and i have a sort of dark falloff, you can also search online for post process versions

[sonic granite]

ok thanks conrad, ur an amazing dude i can tell

[bright sigil]

alright, thanks

[toxic hound]

@bright sigil i guess its working,

[bright sigil]

build success in the new project?

[toxic hound]

no build success yet, but it's compiling

[bright sigil]

ah, that is a better sign

well if there is another error then youll encounter than in your project i assume

but at least that explains the plugin issue

[toxic hound]

sure!

[bright sigil]

youll have to read the docs for the plugin

hope there are docs

[toxic hound]

I just started with UE not long, I wanted to build a quick prototype, i read few basics though,

********** packaging complete

[bright sigil]

nice

and nice, smart to test the entire pipeline

[toxic hound]

🙂

[bright sigil]

build and backup often

[sonic granite]

another questions, how would i add a distortion effect to my lens?

[bright sigil]

unless you use source control

[sonic granite]

i'm trying to build an underwater level, first time

[bright sigil]

i remember finding an underwater tutorial for ue awhile ago, i dont know for sure

[sonic granite]

im watching this tut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwx2NOZJ5CE

but it's from 2019

[bright sigil]

thats not too big a deal i dont think, that works for pp?

[raw harbor]

Is it worth releasing my game on gamejolt after I’m done with it? The cube sim 2022, it will be An actual game like with levels and stuff

[bright sigil]

i dont know the platform

[drowsy snow]

itch.io's a better place

[raw harbor]

Is there a reason?

[drowsy snow]

GameJolt has gone to crap these days

[raw harbor]

Ah ok

[bright sigil]

youd be doing something like that through post process

learn yourself some pp material concepts

[sonic granite]

ok, thanks conrad, ur awesome!

happy holidays!

[bright sigil]

yes, merry christmas

[plush yew]

got a question with gurus - what's the pros and cons of importing whole prebuilt level from 3D software to unreal vs modular level pieces? any technical insight would be welcome

[prime willow]

is it possible that

[drowsy snow]

If you're going for the whole level as one static mesh, performance is going to be impacted, because unneccessary geometry for the frame is not culled out by the view frustum culling

[prime willow]

the anim blueprint could cause the camera to lock with mesh rotations

[drowsy snow]

I have my doubt that it is the case, but not hurt to check out.

[plush yew]

nope not as one static mesh, but as built and textured level with multiple pieces but joined before the export. with proper UCX colliders aswell.

[prime willow]

i noticed my capsule doesnt rotate with camera

but my mesh does

[drowsy snow]

As in import FBX scene?

[plush yew]

yeah

if i don't want to edit it later in unreal or anything, is there any other, technical reason for having modular pieces?

[drowsy snow]

Me thinks that's not a huge issue then

[bright sigil]

this is a technique for some platform games - sonic boom and some uncharted levels - but unreal is an engine different from those

[drowsy snow]

Well, it's less common to have rotation be governed by animBP

[prime willow]

i used a different anim bp

problem still occurs

[bright sigil]

modularity allows for faster iteration - the level can be changed and tested (iterated) without the back and forth. Asset pools are limited to those kits vs more unique models. Collision and other fixes are more a sweeping effect with the same assets being used many times

[drowsy snow]

Your character BP might have full control over the mesh rotation, it seems

[bright sigil]

but you can still make your entire level in your 3d software, textures and all, and use it. you'll likely need to put collision everywhere - so these are independent of one another (if you change the art, the collision needs updating) and it could be split into some pieces for the sake of performance (occlusion culling and draw calls)

[plush yew]

but i like back and forth from 3D to unreal and solving all the architectural problems before i even start anything else (texturing, trimsheet alignment, detailing etc.) - i'm more interested if there's any technical (performance wise) problems that could arise and i can't foresee now - idk maybe light works weird with wholly imported models during gameplay stress or something down the road. as for collisions, i'm making custom UCX-es for everything so that's not a problem.

[prime willow]

dunno how tho :3

[drowsy snow]

Use the Find tool to look up for whatever is getting the character skel mesh component

[prime willow]

ill check

[bright sigil]

i mean, i dont mind the back and forth (sarcasm?) but a single mesh could be a lot to load - depends on number of mats, textures, polycount, etc - but again, it could be split where it makes sense. its a matter of scale i guess. BSP would help here since you can design the level collision and test that all in engine, then export that as geometry to use as a template to model from - either as a unique environment or modular pieces

[drowsy snow]

Though be sure to not commit the pool if you use BSPs

I maybe done that too many times on my own (unreleased) Doom maps lol

Hmm

Now that I think about it

Maybe I should recreate the infamous NSFW pool in Unreal 🤔

[plush yew]

nope it wasn't sarcasm, i love back and forth, helps me fine tune everything in the boxout stage seeing the scale and all via unreals player view so all i have to do afterwards is make everything good. and it's not a single mesh - it's collection of different meshes, just pre-placed, pre-textured and imported as joined object.

[bright sigil]

hmmmm.... but that means its one mesh....

[plush yew]

no, i mean, when u import objects, they are imported as separate objects, but u can select them all, drop on the scene and they all are placed to their respective locations.

so it's definitely not a one mesh.

[drowsy snow]

what are the odds that I found this on sketchfab
I'm going to port this to UE and have fun with it

||https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/that-pool-c563bd34fda046f6943c7069caf664d9||

[plush yew]

it's just their pivots aren't placed per objects, there's one pivot and whole building is built around it.

so if u wanted to use idk, some arch as modular object - it's pivot would be way far away.

[bright sigil]

so you cant really move them in unreal..?

and so then your importing them as one fbx, but they come in as indiv objects

[plush yew]

nope, u can't use them as modular objects. but they are all separate, with separate texture inputs where needed and separately selectable etc.

[bright sigil]

i still think there is more overhead than it being the same asset

[plush yew]

yeah and when u drop them in scene, they automatically build the scene.

[bright sigil]

that wouldnt be too different if they were a single mass of meshes

[prime willow]

https://gyazo.com/893bd5eef2dcacb6d40dea69ea880ab4
could this be causign the issue? @drowsy snow

[plush yew]

what is overhead?

[bright sigil]

performance impact

[drowsy snow]

Where does this bool came from?

[prime willow]

my movement component

[plush yew]

so there is indeed a performance impact, that's what i was trying to find out. now i need to find out, technically how big that overhead is. i mean i've seen ubisoft artists doing it my way aswell as the modular way, idk though how big of a difference it would be into unreal.

[drowsy snow]

Guess that is the reason after all. Try eliminate and/or work around it

[prime willow]

wot

[drowsy snow]

I mean, that bool could have override the mesh's controller rotation yaw, because it doesn't follow that defined by the CMC

[bright sigil]

yeah, i didnt really understand but each mesh is a look up, even if they are identical in vertex/model structure

[bright sigil]

i did say earlier that unreal engine is different. its different for every engine what works well

so i dont believe that will play as nicely as having just one mesh and duplicating in engine or large clusters of the mesh - less to load

like if your going to be in a room, that might as well be one mesh because they all need to load, so make it one mesh to load it

that also means you can go as unique as you want for these things

[plush yew]

oh wait i think i get this, so if i used 1 door 10 times and exported built, unreal would read it as 10 models vs if i copied 1 modular door 10 times, it would read it as 1 door?

[bright sigil]

as for material/textures, thats not per mesh but use - so if the same material is applied to different models they're already loaded the one time

[bright sigil]

you can literally look at the list of assets you've imported into unreal and each of those are their own draw call

maybe there is some kind of pooling method, but i dont know that deep

so if you bring in one door, then dupe it in engine, yes, its the same asset reference

so placement would be done in engine, but the authoring of the asset and its look can still be done outside

[plush yew]

k gotcha, thnx for info, i'll try to figure that out. as for materials, whole of my castle uses only 3 trimsheets so it would work the same whether i use it on 10 modular pieces or 10 prebuilt pieces.

[bright sigil]

the profiler can give you more insight on this sort of thing too

[bright sigil]

the material/texture part is separate from this

just go off of the number of assets you have in unreal

thats the "burden" on performance - but meshes are pretty cheap

so unless there a shit ton, i doubt much difference from the setup

[plush yew]

i'll try finding pooling plugins on marketplace, there might be something for my specific need, there's high chance there might be one.

[bright sigil]

i thought ue already had pooling, but i dont know if it would also work for assets being their own mesh version, i suppose so?

[plush yew]

it's castle as big as notre-dame with atleast 100+ different pieces copied all over dozen times, so i guess that goes for shitton, idk.

[bright sigil]

sounds sort of like it - performance go down based on mesh polycount * unique placements

but before any optimization happens, maybe just import the whole thing into engine and find out

[plush yew]

just when i think of building that again with unreal gizmos, my brain shuts down. i really hope there's a plugin which pools prebuilt FBX models.

[bright sigil]

theory is great and all, but youd be suprised just be trying it

[plush yew]

i mean it runs good on my PC but i want to make it as performant as possible.

i have beefy PC

[bright sigil]

once again, use the profiler

[plush yew]

i'm using it, but is it accurate?

[bright sigil]

well it will tell you where the worst problems are

[plush yew]

because it shows different load on different machines for the same scene.

like once it shown that scene could theoretically run perfect on machine with 8 GB ram and GTX 1050ti i5 but when i tested everything was in red.

so i kinda decided profiler was fluke.

[bright sigil]

that is the toughie part: spec-ing for different qualities

im sure there are things like lowering clock speed or a software that changes that sort of thing

to test different qualities

[plush yew]

i'm quite sure i need to figure out pooling for prebuilt meshes, there's no chance that isn't possible. i'll get to it, thnx again, u helped alot.

[bright sigil]

lol if pooling works, i kinda threw it out there thinking that you'd not be the first person approaching the engine this way

[plush yew]

yah i'm also thinking that

[bright sigil]

and i dont recall if simplygon is still a thing in ue

[plush yew]

there would be some pro who just didn't liked using unreal gizmos for building. 😄

[bright sigil]

its a traditional method, if you call it that, but very common for 3d artists - though again, some engines are fine with that

thanks, i remember it was there for a version then vanished

[plush yew]

oh btw, if u used UE5, i haven't rlly used it thoroughly so, does it care for mesh calls aswell? since nanite and all that?

[bright sigil]

have not touched ue5

[plush yew]

what's that specific kind?

so 95% of my building 😄

cool

[bright sigil]

yup

such specialized rendering

[plush yew]

wow cool, i might just download it and try and atleast check ue4 profiler vs ue5 profiler. if there's important enough difference, switch is imminent.

is it that bad? 😦

[bright sigil]

sounds bad

[plush yew]

damn i thought it was almost done, like i've heard all the big new games coming on ue5 and such

yup, makes sense, pooling it is then

[bright sigil]

yeah, i bet they're overhauling and altering a lot of the base engine

[plush yew]

no my shipping is planned for 2023 so i can switch to ue5

[bright sigil]

hmmm.. alright

[plush yew]

i'm just afraid that if i import this huge city prebuilt and all of that, i will have to build it from ground up later if i don't optimize it now

whole castle is like half of skyrims map in size

rebuilding that would kill me

[bright sigil]

it may not be optimal for lower end hardware, but you wont have to rebuilt it regardless

worst case is you split it for occlusion

[plush yew]

i meant rebuild as in architecturally - building whole castle again piece by piece, not unreal building, u meant the same thing?

[bright sigil]

i mean, import you model as the single mesh or w/e, but then break it up if it needs to help performance

its still all from your 3d software

[plush yew]

oh cmon now, don't tell me lumen casts shadows and lights different way... i thought it was just more realistic way.

[bright sigil]

again, i doubt its rebuild

just splitting into parts

like if your castle is one mesh, then later split into 10 parts, all offset and w/e so you just drop

[plush yew]

i spent 1 week just playing with different times of day and building castle around that -_-

fml

[bright sigil]

apparently not on armygear's nasa computer

[plush yew]

no no it's not one monolithic castle mesh, it's just collection of meshes pre-placed in 3D engine, so they're not modular.

[bright sigil]

but thats where i suggest spliting into meshes

[plush yew]

it's Ryzen 3600X, 32GB ram, GTX 1070 - nothing fancy. 😄

[bright sigil]

so you might as well kit it

lol, your going fallout 4 method then

[plush yew]

i make my walls 20cm thick, atleast there i didn't fcked it up. 😄

[bright sigil]

i bet you could poly crunch the castle geo and use it as a guide in ue

[plush yew]

ok so it seems like i just need to drop everything for now and find out more about how lumen works, so i build castle properly.

[bright sigil]

sounds like a good idea

kit kit kit

[plush yew]

damn u guys love kits 😄

well atleast i will be able to sell it later smh

[bright sigil]

they're sort of tedious, but thats ue preference

i do BSP all the time XD

i can export my entire level and then design the kit from there

which is...... like bsp?

ah so it skips the intermediate step

[plush yew]

i also used bsp for blockouts and i hated how slow gizmo building was compared to blender. if only unreal had atleast plugin to move objects freely with mouse.

[bright sigil]

bsp is technically mesh anyways

BSP are slow to work with, yes, but i only do base architecture for collision sake

i "invent" more of the kit from that base as it solves scale/spaces

[plush yew]

why not just UCX everything u export from 3D soft?

[bright sigil]

because i cant play the game outside of ue!

i cant feel out the timeing

i cant see how id like to obscure corners or reveal open areas

[plush yew]

so import - test, edit, import again, repeat 😄

[bright sigil]

i cant play with lightinging

i can literally do all that in engine with just boxes

THEN export and start modeling

[plush yew]

i would if i could press G - move my mouse and mesh would move, or press S, move my mouse and mesh just scaled. 😦

[bright sigil]

its actually hold CTRL and then use left, right or left+right

[plush yew]

lemme try o.O

[bright sigil]

left is x and so on

hold shift as well to ride along with it

[plush yew]

are u talking abour viewport movement?

or object movement?

(booting up unreal)

[bright sigil]

i WASD when i viewport move

im talking move scale rotate of object

alt drag to dup it

ctrl click for axis manip

shift to ride it

[prime willow]

@drowsy snow so

[bright sigil]

yeah, no devoraks here

[prime willow]

its something code related

i tried cloning it

after pasting some part of it i was camera locked again

[plush yew]

ok tried it, it seems like much better than using gizmo, still not as free but, better than gizmo.

[bright sigil]

i think its actually not too different from blender

just holding one more button down

[plush yew]

do u have blender? 😄

[bright sigil]

yes, though i use maya

[plush yew]

if u have it, to tell u exactly what i want (u might know how to do that in unreal) just open blender, select object, press G and move mouse.

this is what i mean. i just press G and freely move object, if i want to move it on axis i just press X,Y or Z and move the mouse. is that possible in any way in unreal?

[bright sigil]

oh... thats the work of satan

[plush yew]

yeah i love it 😄

[bright sigil]

i think there is something like that though

maya has it obviously

[plush yew]

yah i know i used maya for a long time and there was cool plugin for it

bought it right away

[bright sigil]

plugin... for unreal?

[plush yew]

no plugin was for maya, idk for unreal, i searched for it for a long time.

nothing yet.

[bright sigil]

wha? you can freely move without pluging

lol thats always been there, am i missing something

[plush yew]

they might have added it now, i used maya 2-3 years ago.

after that only touched blender.

[bright sigil]

it has been there way longer

and 3dsmax

maya 2009 or earlier im sure

[plush yew]

hm, idk then, i know for sure it was 5$ plugin. 😄

[bright sigil]

lol thats wack

[plush yew]

yah it might have been just hidden and that plugin activated it and charged 5$ from newbs.

[bright sigil]

lol i dunno, maybe its something else that it do

[plush yew]

but u get the idea, i never got used to gizmo movement so really hard for me now to build whole damn notre dame castle that way.

[bright sigil]

yeah, but thats too awkward to be fast

DUDE

just grab the center circle

[plush yew]

i agree there, worst learning curve out of everything i ever used.

[bright sigil]

the white ball at the start of each xyz arrow

[plush yew]

lol i know how to use gizmos, i'm saying they're slow. very, very, veeeeeeeeery slow 😄 so u said it was possible to free move in UE?

[bright sigil]

no i mean, do that in unreal

literally right there

[plush yew]

oh wait

[plush yew]

is there any way to link that to a shortcut?

[bright sigil]

lol

i think he means without clicking on it

[plush yew]

yeah

that's actually very smart, haven't used autohotkey in UE

hope it works

nah it doesn't. UE actually wants left mouse to be pressed ontop of white sphere to grab it. well was worth a try.

[bright sigil]

considering it doesnt show the ctrl-click shortcuts, im sure there is

i mean .... old dog new tricks, so just click the damn ball

[plush yew]

u probly haven't built anything in blender for extensive periods of time or u would know what is waste of time. 😄

well u can sculpt out ur 3D models into a wall with stone knives for all i care but don't bash on my preferences man 😄

[bright sigil]

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/BuildingWorlds/LevelEditor/Viewports/ViewportControls/

no dice im afraid

click sphere or suffer

[plush yew]

well CTRL+RMB and that sphere thing still cut my worktime in half compared to using gizmos so, still been a great help. 👍

[bright sigil]

sphere is for free move, but mouse + click is great

not too hard to move forward then left then forward again

https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/Basics/ToolsAndEditors/EditorSettings/
lots of cool customization stuff here too

Update BSP Automatically: If enabled, Brush geometry rebuilds automatically when brushes are moved or modified in the viewport. When disabled, geometry must be rebuilt to see the changes. Yooooooooo

totally forgot about this

nah

[plush yew]

haha this basically turns BSP into 3D modelling software 😄

[bright sigil]

bsp only build once you let go

this build as you move it!

i think...

[plush yew]

now that's what i'm talking about! (i think... ) 😄

[bright sigil]

ah shit

nvm 😭

yeah

i made myself happy then sad

lol thats like a UDK switch right there

when performance was that bad

this tho

pivot stays at the center

so moving a face or points, it will update pivot to center

[plush yew]

epic buys everything, so if UE5 comes with it's own proper 3D editor for BSP's, imma lose my sh1t.

[bright sigil]

think i saw an epic demo where they were showing some "extra" modeling capabilities of bsp

like preview smooth 😂

[plush yew]

i love how BSP is so easily integrated with textures

[bright sigil]

same

i feel like im working on a quake 2 map using them

truly an all in one

[plush yew]

yah and also u don't have to have 1000 400x400 meshes, when u can have one 1000x1000 mesh with tiled textures.

[bright sigil]

looks nice... until it froze!

looks like fun though

finally BSP getting love, call it what you want

[plush yew]

there seems to be lot more tools than i have in my 4.27 tho

wonder what they are

[bright sigil]

duplicate mistake?

ah

[plush yew]

i noticed UE 5 being very intense right now. just booted it up and boom, took half my system resources with gpu at 60c 😄

i hope that won't be the case on full release.

[bright sigil]

ur never getting them back

[plush yew]

i can't afford RTX gpu for raytracing.

imported my castle and yup, totally fcked, all that epic sundown and stuff, gone with lumen.

yah but 1070 on raytracing is like basketball player playing as jockey

oh gotcha, didn't knew that.

looks like i can switch to old lighting aswell.

but it'll be removed on full release i assume.

didn't they do it other way around though?! - implement new stuff in old engine.

yah will check difference on youtube now

this is no DXR?

[bright sigil]

raytracing look like ass

[prime willow]

i think i kind of get it

my camera is locked in location behind the character

so itll always rotate with the mesh even tho everything else rotates as supposedly to

[plush yew]

i haven't even checked side to side comparison of raytracing vs lumen, wtf. why would we even use raytracing? is it more performant?

but it looks like ass 😄

wow, so much information about lights to take in. and i was finally just happy with my lighting setup on old 4.27.

wait i thought lumen was just like nanite, cheaper performant light.

[bright sigil]

ue5 is still in its renderer-only phase, it hasnt grow its gameplay legs

[plush yew]

yah i just converted one of my games to UE5 and it's 15fps 😄

[bright sigil]

writes down..... use ue4 for game, make in-game cutscenes with 5

[plush yew]

from what i see so far, nanite isn't really as advertised and even with nanite, you'd want to bake high poly sculpts onto low poly meshes because it will give EVEN more performance.

i just checked that

myself

[bright sigil]

i thought with nanite you just use the decimated hp

[plush yew]

dropped 17 mil sculpt then dropped low poly with bakemaps

[bright sigil]

and just enjoy those vertex colors

[plush yew]

difference is clearly visible in FPS.

20 fps lower with sculpt.

it's 300 fps - on higher FPS'es difference is much larger for some reason.

on lowpoly it dropped from 300 to 280 fps

wait so, high poly sculpt drops fps - isn't that the whole point of nanite to raise FPS when u have loads of high poly sculpts? i don't get

it might be alphas fault idk

and on full release this gap won't exist

[bright sigil]

cool, well i shoulda went to bed 2 hours ago, night yall

[plush yew]

night, i'll sit down on this tutorial series about lumen, thnx for help

why this don t working??

[bright sigil]

yep sure thing, ill want that kit on my desk by 11

[prime willow]

FXIED IT!

@drowsy snow you were right something was hijacking my mesh!

it was a camera lag enabler using world transforms for my camera~!

[drowsy snow]

At last!

[prime willow]

yush

now my movement looks even sexier

[drowsy snow]

Can't wait to see it in action 👀

[plush yew]

can someone help me?

[drowsy snow]

Make sure you don't test it in Play In Editor @plush yew

Or just replace the Escape key with something else, or even better, input mapping

[plush yew]

but I also tested with the q key (it was supposed to turn off the game but it didn't work either)

[drowsy snow]

Escape key always terminate running Play In Editor session

[prime willow]

so yeS ill definitely show you

it looks so much better now

[plush yew]

i am using a 2D scroller can this be the reason?

[drowsy snow]

How's exactly "not working"?

[plush yew]

I click q and it doesn't turn off the game

nice

i found the problem

I didn't have a gamemode set

[drowsy snow]

Wait, you do those on game mode?

[plush yew]

I had in the world settings

[plush yew]

no

character

[drowsy snow]

Okay, that's fine. Don't do that kind of thing in Game Mode

[plush yew]

ye I know

whats with unreal crashing all the time i retarget a animation smh

[runic fern]

Hi guys i want plugin share computer screen realtime do we have something like this other than NDISDK ?

[prisma plank]

Why third person char have darker exposure than scene? Both post process exposure same

[runic fern]

Can i share desktop screen with pixle streaming

Oh yes no easy way xP

[drowsy snow]

Because auto exposure

[plush yew]

what's the fastest blueprint method to make lights flicker?

[drowsy snow]

On tick → Set Intensity = Random Float in Range

[hidden cairn]

Im getting an error at build time - I cant see any problems and my project built fine in the past and the error is pretty generic

Unable to find target 'UE4Game'

Has anyone had this one that can help? Reaching end of tether here

[plush yew]

ok, kinda got it

[smoky timber]

Hey there peeps! Quick question:
I'm using the built-in subtitles feature in UE 4.26.
So, basically I:

1. added the subtitles with Manual Word Wrap and Single Line ticked.
2. Went to project settings to make sure subtitles is on and the default roboto font is set up.
3. Went to the roboto font and changed the size.

But, when I test it in-game, the subtitles font is still small and hasn't changed. Any ideas?

[drowsy snow]

Are you building the engine from source?

[hidden cairn]

no, its a bp bnased project using the standard 4.27.2

im just trying to build project and its failing at the initial startup

proejct is two years in and its usually fine

[drowsy snow]

I'd recommend you to create your own subtitle system. The built in one sucks.

[hidden cairn]

I agree - built in subtitles are terrible

[drowsy snow]

Try verifying the engine from launcher.

[smoky timber]

Nah, it's okay. I've already used it for my last game and it really is a time saver.

[hidden cairn]

I did that - it verified ok and seems to be running finer

[smoky timber]

It's just I can't remember how I did it

[hidden cairn]

fine

@smoky timber its to do with setting default fontt as the subs system uses the default font - problem is that all your fonts then go superlarge

the font system in UE leaves a little to be desired sometimes

[smoky timber]

Yeah, I know about that.

[hidden cairn]

I also remember having this problem, fixing it and not being 100% sure how 🙂

im going to try a full migrate - along with settings. See if that cures anyway

anything I mean

[hidden cairn]

I had one for a day

then gave it to my son - horrible thing

[sour tide]

(man, I should get myself a gaming chair)

[hidden cairn]

I have a wooden chair with proper back support

like the old man I am

[sour tide]

(with back support)

[hidden cairn]

aye, as a 50 year old man i can say ALWAYS get back support

[sour tide]

I have a tendency to slouch 200% of my bodyweight onto my tailbone

[hidden cairn]

you might not need it now...

[drowsy snow]

Don't get a gaming chair

[hidden cairn]

no

I found my wooden captains chair at a local charity shop for £10

best purchase I ever made

[drowsy snow]

Get the office chairs, particularly the ones that famously gifted to Reggie Fils-Aime