fab

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah it’s a dumb policy, they do something similar for epic games store too. There must be a law somewhere preventing sales from happening too often

[split iron]

I guess you could email them and ask to withdraw but I don't see why we can't do both

Sales are normal and expected at this time

[fresh sphinx]

I suppose its deciding whether black friday, or christmas will be a better time to have your product on sale

[drowsy plaza]

According to ChatGPT there are no laws it knows of, this is weird they would do that

[drowsy plaza]

I’m staying in Black Friday, my main concern is whether store event sales like Black Friday or Christmas will affect personal sales. I plan to do sales for my products two times a month on a rotating product basis

[split iron]

I could understand it applying to user set sales but not events

[drowsy plaza]

On the marketplace event sales just overrid personal set sales

[hollow basin]

Just saw the email. I don't like that decision. I understand the first part of artificially raising prices being not allowed

[fresh sphinx]

How are you planning to do sales yourself at the moment?
we need individually requested sales asap

[drowsy plaza]

Whenever it comes, they likely will release the feature in December or January

[fresh sphinx]

fingers crossed 🤞

[drowsy plaza]

On Reddit a epic staff member said they are trying to make a self service discount portal which is why it’s taking so long

[fossil dune]

This would be great honestly

[drowsy plaza]

I guess my lite versions will be in the Christmas’s sale since they dropped this month

[fossil dune]

They are focusing on things nobody is asking for

[fresh sphinx]

I find it a little sour that they decided to transition us into Fab in the most profitable quarter of the year. And have alot of needed features missing

[fresh sphinx]

Do you have the link to that reddit post by any chance?

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t, sorry

It was on some fab post around its launch

[digital agate]

This is ringing a lot of alarm bells for me. Surely in a fair marketplace something like that would have to be disclosed before hand.

[drowsy plaza]

You can still cancel your submissions, just email them if you no longer want to participate or change the details

[digital agate]

that's not the point

[fresh sphinx]

I was actually thinking of doing a sort of "manual" sale on my products. Cut the price in half for the christmas season with a little disclaimer that the product is 50% off in the description

[undone valve]

In the first second I thought it says something with BLACK FRIDAY. I thought for a second it started already hahaha

[pulsar holly]

Hey! I'm trying to upload a plugin on FAB but I'm getting a bit confused that it asks me for a File link...

how it works?

[untold bay]

Upload a zip to Google Drive or something, then make a shareable link and send that

[pulsar holly]

but this drive link is going to be the way is downladed on the marketplace?

or they manually chek it

[pulsar holly]

(thanks for tha quick answer!!)

[drowsy plaza]

It’s just for the review team to use, once they review it the files get hosted on epics servers

[pulsar holly]

perfect! thanks

[daring bridge]

does anyone find it odd that if you're in one sale you can't be in another?

I miss when I could discount stuff by 99%, that was literally the most copies I ever managed to get out there

[fresh sphinx]

Extremely odd. Especially considering how harsh the whole transition has been on sellers

[daring bridge]

it doesn't affect me much because my main product is free now, but it's pretty demotivating for releasing any new assets for sale

[untold bay]

I agree with @drowsy plaza 's assessment that it's likely to meet legal requirements, likely in the EU

[daring bridge]

the vast majority of my sales always happened during sales

[untold bay]

eg. in some places you can't just put something on sale 100% of the time

[daring bridge]

that probably makes sense, consumer law here is similar, but the periods are intentionally far enough apart that retailers can target both events in the real world

[drowsy plaza]

I asked ChatGPT and it didn’t know of any laws, it did say the EU does have purchasing rights laws regarding price so that might be why

[daring bridge]

black friday is an arbitrary mid-season date chosen so that it doesn't conflict with christmas

a good explanation from them would be welcome

[drowsy plaza]

If you release new assets before the 20th this month you should be able to make the Christmas sale

[daring bridge]

I mean in general. over the year, things like black friday, christmas and other epic sales were where 90% of my return came from

having to pick and choose sales is a little bit stressful and adds a new metric to follow

I can't imagine other sellers like it much more

[drowsy plaza]

Ah okay, yeah hopefully they reverse the policy of having to pick and choose which sales you do. They do this on the epic games store and it’s annoying

[undone valve]

If now everyone does black friday it probably is smarter to attend the end of the year sale instead

right?

[drowsy plaza]

I’m attending both but Christmas will only have like 4-5 products for me

Actually maybe 6-7

[hollow zephyr]

I only do one sale per year with everything half off, but it usually kills most of my sales until like february

[glossy idol]

I personally have put all my products in the black friday sale and obviously not putting anything in the christmas sale.

Also does anyone else think product ratings should be shown on our Listings tab? They could just shove it next to status or something? Save having to click on each live listing to view the current rating.

[untold bay]

They should be capturing as many quality signals as possible and displaying them wherever appropriate

[wicked oasis]

if you include a product in the Black Friday sale, that product will not be eligible to be included in the end of year sale that we’re planning to kick off on December 23rd.

so I won't be able to include any product for the end of year sale since I included all in black friday sales

[daring bridge]

Know your market I think.

[solar rapids]

Do you guys contact fab first to get that email? Because I haven't received one although I have a listing

[daring bridge]

I'm just a seller on fab. Checj your spam folder

[solar rapids]

thank you I guess it's because it's just a $5 asset or maybe because I released it 8 nov

[regal sable]

Where can i find the Free for the month Category in fab

[rustic whale]

Scroll down a bit on the home page. You should see 3 items tagged as free

[worldly flower]

On the main fab.com page

[regal sable]

this one?

[regal sable]

oh so its not free for the month anymore?

[worldly flower]

not the Term "Free for the Month"

Now it's

"Limited-Time-Free"

[rustic whale]

They are called Limited-Time Free and there should be new ones every two weeks

[regal sable]

oh

OOOOOOhhhhhhhh

[rustic whale]

Note that if you own them it doesn’t properly show it at the moment, you have to go into each one to check. Then it shows it with a Owned tag.

[regal sable]

so like they are giving out 3 assets free every two weeks

[worldly flower]

we guess ^^

[rustic whale]

That is the expectation, yes.

[regal sable]

welll

thanks for the info tho

[worldly flower]

at least - all 2 weeks new ones.. if 2, 3 or 4-5.. is on epic

[rustic whale]

Sellers, are you getting any emails for each new sales? Or just going in to check the sales report?

[worldly flower]

I got invited for BF
But not for normal sales, yet

[rustic whale]

I meant whenever someone is purchasing one of your assets

Is there an email notification about the purchase?

[worldly flower]

no - at least, not yet

[rustic whale]

I am used to them from Gumroad

Oh ok, so the only way to know is to go in and check the sales report

[solar rapids]

Unfortunately no

[worldly flower]

yepp

[solar rapids]

Was that the case in the old marketplace?

[rustic whale]

I don’t know because I just published my first asset directly on Fab

[worldly flower]

As far as i remember, no - but i even don#t get mails of forum notifications or such..

[solar rapids]

Me too

[rustic whale]

In the case of Fab it would be nice you have a email notification opt-in

[vestal sluice]

Might be a good thing honestly, the higher frequency of the free assets can keep the marketplace more regularly active. It also kinda make the free assets feel more valuable individually.

[rustic whale]

On the other hand I understand that the seller reward for their “time-free” sales has been decreased

Even if the free sales goes on for a shorter time, so that balances it out

[vestal sluice]

how much do sellers get for the time-free sales nowadays ? I know last time it was around 7000$ for the free for the month.

[rustic whale]

I think I read somewhere that it is now 5k but don’t quote me because I don’t remember where it was

[vestal sluice]

Sounds reasonable

[rustic whale]

It’s for a shorter time so it makes sense. Even though the missed regular sales due to the free promotion may stay the same because people who are used to collect those assets when they are free would do it anyway.

They will just have to visit Fab and check more frequently.

[fossil dune]

Depends on the plugin. If your plugin easily makes $5K every month on its own... this would be a bad deal... you'd be leaving a lot of money on the table...

Its mostly reasonable for plugins that are no longer generating that much revenue / month

[vestal sluice]

I meant more like the change in difference between the old fee and the new fee 😅

I will never take up that offer, this program is mostly beneficial for the art sellers and worst for plugin sellers

[fossil dune]

Yeah like Marco said, since its for 2 weeks its a bit of an upgrade.. but the deal itself has always been a bad deal for well performing plugins... still is...
I think maybe they should do a percentage of your last 6 months revenue or something percentage based. so that plugins that sell more and people want more can join...

[vestal sluice]

I don’t think epic has the incentive to go that far imo. There are many who are fine with the 5k-7k for their fee, and epic likely just need some semi decent assets to frequently fill up the weekly free asset showcase.

It could also be beneficial to sellers freshly starting out and in need of a boost in exposure and community build up.

[solar rapids]

guys can I know any more details about sales rather than how many did I make?

[rustic whale]

I don't know which details you are after, but I could find two places where you can see your sales, one is here: https://www.fab.com/portal/reports/sales

The other one is here: https://publish.unrealengine.com/v3/reports/sales-reports

The second one has a tad more details

[solar rapids]

Thanks

[hasty kraken]

when is black friday sale?

[fresh sphinx]

I don't believe sellers are allowed to disclose future sale dates

[undone valve]

We arent but someone said it in chat on top if anyone is interested

[distant juniper]

Is there a way to see my product's UE Marketplace Reviews?
I can't view the Marketplace page anymore since it redirects to FAB.

[fresh sphinx]

I think orbital still has reviews left on products before Fab

[jaunty dagger]

It does yes

[distant juniper]

Nice, thank you!
This thing confused me (must be just for the new rating system) but the written reviews are still there in their own tab.

[desert badge]

They didn't transfer any rating if one had, for that product, <5 reviews :-(. That's why all products that had 1-4 reviews now have 0 ratings. The text wasn't tranferred at all for everybody. A huge mistake, imho. The new system ... I don't have any hope there will ever be one. 😠

[undone valve]

They auto install bridge now :

[worldly flower]

Now it's time to wait for Plugins getting updated.. before i can migrate to 5.5

Let's see how fast FAB is in approving updates, compared with MP.. which sometimes hasn't pushed updates months after uploading..

[spark panther]

Hi, what means fab models need to be 1.98 cm tall, this is unreal engine scale or what? do I need to measure that in unreal?

[daring bridge]

it will be because of when you released it. you can still get into the christmas sale probably

[spark panther]

oK I gonna do it for unreal, even take high res image with the measurements

[undone valve]

Big bruh moment:

They havent fixed the plugin file generation in 5.5

[undone estuary]

sigh the fab plugin is missing from my library again and didnt get installed with 5.5. Anyone have any solution to this?

[drowsy plaza]

Its showing up in my epic games launcher. are your categories filtering it?

[undone estuary]

@drowsy plazaugh that was it, didnt even think to look since I never touched it. much thanks!

I wonder if they added new filters that arent on by default

yeah Engine Tools category was unchecked

[drowsy plaza]

Sales on fab are back to normal for me, I sold another unit today which is basically units every day or every 2-3 days which is how the marketplace was

That first week of fab was super concerning

I’m glad they listened to peoples feedback and made changes to search and discovery so quickly

Anyone here know why fab shows the incorrect date for the sales report? When I show the sales for today the 12th the date for sales shows as the 11th

[drowsy plaza]

Unrelated to fab but will you be making any tutorials on that new mutable character customizer feature? I’m really interested in how that works

[glossy idol]

Hey peeps,
Was there any mention as to if / when reviews from the old UE marketplace would migrate over to Fab?

[undone estuary]

@drowsy plazahonestly, not likely unless I find some time or a good reason for it. with Mutable being in beta it might change

[hollow zephyr]

I sold two professional licenses the last week, that's pretty cool

[hollow zephyr]

afaik only stars will migrate, but you need at least 5 ratings

[vestal sluice]

This month so far averages out to 1 sale per day for me, so that’s great. Some days I get no sale, but some days I get 2 sales to compensate.

I wish epic made our page view counts visible as a metric. It’s hard to optimize anything without any Analytics. Currently I’m relying on my YouTube videos Analytics for this.

[next badge]

me waiting for the first sale this month

[last matrix]

so far I have made 3 sales this month over a three day period from the 4th to the 6th. No sales have happened since.

considering any price changes take your products off the upcoming black friday sale. I guess I will coninue to wait till this first full month is done to see if it was worth it to add higher prices for the pro tier.

So far, I haven't had any pro teir sales, and I worry the highr teir is confusing users and they are just not buying it.

[hollow basin]

The pro tier sales are really only aimed at a very small portion of customers. I would think maybe 1/25 people may fall under that category. So it's not so much customers being confused but just not needing it since they are under the income threshold and would rather pay less

[fresh sphinx]

I currently have my pro tier listed for only 5 or 10 bucks more than the personal license. I feel its more so there if potential customers would like to support the product a little more through purchasing the pro tier. I don't believe in having your personal and pro tiers so vastly different in price, as most people shopping on Fab are going to be below the income threshold required for the pro tier. Your products will be more "available" in a sense.

But that's just my way of looking at it. I'm sure everyone has their own reasoning for their prices

[trail heron]

timezones?

[trail heron]

thats an interesting take on it tbh.

[undone valve]

Yes. Don’t filer for any categories and select them all. Then it shows

[worldly flower]

the library filters are not really useful.. and cause more problems than they solve..

[solar rapids]

Guys, can someone buy my asset multiple times from the same account?

[worldly flower]

no - not right now

[solar rapids]

alright thank you

[arctic plover]

Anyone else having constant crashes trying to add content to projects now? Marketplace never had this problem.

[quasi ether]

I hope at least some man/lady at Epic earned big bucks while voting for Fab to be implemented because quality is well, shitty! 😄

[hollow zephyr]

I set my art assets at least 2x 3x times higher - companies would rather spend that then keep an artist busy for a week or more to do the same thing

[slim swallow]

did you fix MD-0011-0 issue? I fixed mine by logging out then back into the launcher

[thick sluice]

I restarted my pc, spammed refresh button via epic launcher, and it works now lol

[slim swallow]

😄

[undone estuary]

so what content would this be? https://www.fab.com/listings/d33fdb12-6f6d-47f5-a443-9fb1eaf6e1c8

like.. its not a game project I assume or an asset pack so what is this? I guess it might be a project with included video files... I didnt know that was possible

[rustic whale]

There is an Education and Tutorials product type

Wouldn't that fit?

[undone estuary]

yep thats the category this is in

but I mean i didnt know you could have a project that was basically a set of videos

[rustic whale]

ah ok, apparently yes

There is even Unity content 😉

[undone estuary]

yep one of these is how to publish unity assets and appears to be a book

good to know and interesting..

dont have to pay for video hosting if you can have epic do it for you 😉

[rustic whale]

The Unity asset about selling Unity assets is free btw

[undone estuary]

yep but i think its a book is why its weird, atleast thats what the screenshot says

[rustic whale]

I don't dare to click Download on that one

[undone estuary]

seems like fab is open to more types of content than MP

not just platforms like unity, but video and such

[rustic whale]

Yes indeed. Still the user experience could need some polishing.

e.g. the free content doesn't show on the homepage you already own it, but if you go into the asset and then come back to the home page, it does show it

[undone estuary]

theres quite a few issues for sure

[drowsy plaza]

Imagine someone tries to sell a game engine on there, that would be funny

[undone estuary]

I dont think they allow executables so Im guessing no?

they do on the egs tho and Godot is there. it makes more sense its on the store since fab is supposed to be content?

[digital agate]

what's the format for the new FabURL entry?

[sleek spruce]

Love that they release broken fab in every single way! Can't even download plugins!

How to fix that deam MD-0011-0

[drowsy plaza]

Same as before just replace “Marketplace” with “Fab” and the string Id with the URL ID in the publisher portal.

[digital agate]

awesome - thanks!

[rustic whale]

Our plugin was just updated also for UE 5.5 and the Fab shows the new available version, however it doesn't show up for installation in UE 5.5 inside the Epic Launcher. Has anyone experienced the same?

Refreshing the Fab content from the Epic Launcher didn't help

[mortal roost]

i have 3 questions:

1. if i package a C++ plugin for FAB, can I use the build-in "packaging" functionality?
2. is it fine if the packaged content is zipped in a folder called uAim which contains the following: - Content - Resources - Source - uAim.uplugin
3. if the answer for 2) is YES, will Epic automatically generate the Binaries and Intermediate folders with their respective content when installing the plugin?

[rustic whale]

Yes you can use the Package functionality but double check the uplugin file it writes because it is not compliant with Fab

2 and 3 are correct, you don't need Binaries and Intermediate, Epic will recreate them for you

[sleek spruce]

Fab just working great, nothing to worry

[rustic whale]

I am missing the winky emoji

[mortal roost]

thanks a lot for the info marco!

[mortal roost]

@rustic whale may i ask one more question? if i want to support 2 engine versions (for example 5.4 and 5.5), do i have to upload both versions as separate ZIPs, packaged from the respective unreal engine version, or is there any exception to this?

[rustic whale]

You need to upload two versions, one for 5.4 and one for 5.5

[mortal roost]

i see. alright. thank you very much 🙂

[buoyant crow]

How... do you download the 5.5 version of lyra starter game with this new Fab setup?

Lyra Starter Game doesn't have a download button

[tardy charm]

You can download through epic games
make sure in the Category you have ALL selected.... or find and enable ones related to "Education & Tutorials" (its a mess just pick all)

if you don't see it, make sure its in your account through fab and refresh your library

[buoyant crow]

I see it, but it doesn't let me select 5.5 as a verison

*version

[undone estuary]

restart the launcher, it just might be out of date

[buoyant crow]

Yeah, I I just tried it. I clicked "Create Project", it asked me where to store it, and then it just said "Creating Project" without letting me select an engine version

Ok

[undone estuary]

where it asks you to create it, does it not show the version # to create?

[buoyant crow]

It doesn't

[undone estuary]

what does it show

[buoyant crow]

The project name / directory fields

and create and cancel buttons

[undone estuary]

so not this?

[buoyant crow]

Nope, the version number is just magically missing

[undone estuary]

yeah weird. its already downloaded tho. maybe its broken

[buoyant crow]

I'll try to remove it from the local vault and see if that helps

Ah, that did the trick

[undone estuary]

oh thats weird

I wonder if it got stuck

[buoyant crow]

Maybe

[undone estuary]

nope its not you

they mentioned this issue for the animation sample but i guess its an issue on all of them lol

https://x.com/clongmire42/status/1856781918261391549

[buoyant crow]

Ah, g2k

[tardy charm]

ah so it doesn't let you repick versions if a CREATE PROJECT type asset is already downloaded

assuming thats the case

[undone estuary]

its not supposed to do that, its a new bug

[drowsy plaza]

@undone valve Do you have more multi sale days on fab than you did the marketplace? Most days I sell 2-3 products on fab but on the marketplace I sold 1 product a day unless there was a sale event happening

Like today I sold 2 products and I’ve had several days this month where that happened. Fab seems to be better for sales than the marketplace was after the patches they did post launch

@hollow basin it’s only been a couple days since I started using the simplified emoji format for the store pages and sales have been a bit better on the products that have them. Maybe give it a try for some of your products

I wonder how the sales on Black Friday will do

[hollow basin]

Thank you for the mention. I'll update my pages soon with the similar format. I am skipping the black Friday sale to be eligible for end of the year sale. I feel like more people have holiday money that they are more willing to spend around that time of year. And doing a sale then is better for advertising (in my view)

[flat island]

What time is the sales report updated?

[hollow basin]

I still look at the old one from the ue marketplace and not the new fab one. But the one I see always updates at midnight of Eastern Standard Time. I am guessing it's because that's the timezone of Epic's HQ

[rustic whale]

By removing it from the Vault and re-downloading it, did you get the 5.5 version as well? Because I have the same issue with our plugin not showing the newer version.

[agile slate]

When wil all the paragon characters be on fab?

[worldly flower]

spamming my Vault Refresh Button every hour

And at the evening, lurking through my list of project-enabled plugins, checking each individual in the vault for a new update.. and simultaneous check via Fab.com product Page...

The process is tedious and annoying.. And Epic still has no plan to add a simple "Filter for Engine Version" and "Filter for (not) installed to Engine version"...
😩

[stoic field]

Can you get Fab sorted. It a mess. Tried to get some Surfaces. Gave up.

[thorny compass]

Mmm... nah.

[rustic whale]

Logged out from the Epic Launcher and back in, rebooted, refreshed Fab and now it shows the 5.5 version

😄

And it allows me to install it to the 5.5 engine

[cursive chasm]

Sometimes the launcher just needs a little TLC.

[undone valve]

I always sold 3-5 products but not every day. Now I sell 1-2 products but daily.

[viral zinc]

Does Epic allow to sell software itself on FAB ?

Say closed source tools non UE related etc

[polar arch]

Fab is so unintuitive- it’s crazy how something like that can be green lighted for release

[viral zinc]

like what ?

We do not allow executables or program installer files, and we do not allow archive formats except for .zip. The list below is not exhaustive, but here are some common examples of file types that are not accepted on Fab:

Executables and installers

.exe
.0
.iso
.dmg

Archive formats

.rar
.7z
.z
.gz
.tar
zip64

Well it says they don't accept exe files, so you cannot sell tools directly, good to know, sad

[cosmic urchin]

Anyone noticed how Fab takes silly amount of time to load stuff

like it takes time to simply open the Control Rig Examples

[buoyant crow]

Yes, remove it and then upon obtaining it again, the ui will be fixed

[worldly flower]

you can pack the exe inside a *.zip?

[viral zinc]

mmm usure if that's a deal at all

[worldly flower]

i hate the Library of Fab.com...

If Epic only added a second library, just for Quixel... or a Way to opt-out Sellers..

8 new bought Packs.. then 1500+ Quixel stuff.. then.. maybe.. the first normal code plugins and packs..

[rustic whale]

I would say that makes perfectly sense since those executables could be injected with virus/malwares

[viral zinc]

now you have todo infinite scrolling, that's a bit sad and isn't ordered

[viral zinc]

Well yeah, but a dll too from a plugin (in other hand there are providers this days to check all those)

[rustic whale]

The issues fixed itself by logging in/out of the Epic Launcher and restarting it. Now I can see both versions and was able to install to 5.5 as well.

[rustic whale]

Plugins that rely on non standard third party DLL’s usually require you to autonomously download those DLL’s and store them in the plugin folder

There are few examples of plugins which interface to third party’s applications like Agylex for physics simulation

[viral zinc]

Yep you are right

but tbh this days I feel like someone can even put a virus on a png file included with the plugin and once you call it from inside the editor execute it

hackers are always ahead, but I don't think that's the whole point, feel like Epic will have some service as virus total or alike to check files before upload

[vale prawn]

Really? That's not mentioned in Fab's technical requirements, and I know I have a plugin with a DLL in Fab (and previsouly the Marketplace), and it's distributed no problem.

[worldly flower]

Discord bridge Plugins also comes with the Discord SDK dll

[rustic whale]

Then this may have changed. Is it a fully custom dll or a regular third party's dll? Something that can be hashed to check against a standard distribution?

I was referring to custom dll's which are not distributed otherwise nor publicly available.

[vale prawn]

The DLL is hosted somewhere on GitHub, but I somehow doubt that Epic is doing any kind of checks on that (I'm not sure they have the repo link, but they definitely don't have the release tag). Given how much IP infringement there is on Fab, any type of safety check seems to be non-existent.

[rustic whale]

I also don't know how they could possibly verify a DLL which ships within a plugin, unless it is part of a public distribution and its hash can be compared with the included one. Otherwise it could contain any code, including malicious one.

I am sure they run it through a number of AV's but that may not be enough

[warm knot]

Because it might be a virus installer. What's hard to understand here?

[viral zinc]

I already said he is correct? But that was the first question and don't knew that point of view

Just though could be interesting if Epic allowed direct compiled things like Nvidia ones or an old scripting system they redirect too back in the days

[lyric shell]

Anyone know why sponsored content isn't working? I try to add it or download it and it wants me to pay for it

[tawny hinge]

that's the content from last month

[lyric shell]

oh why is it not updated. We are two weeks into the new month.

[tawny hinge]

they changed the thing a bit and now there's an update every 2 weeks

https://www.fab.com/blade/7c8a9479-b008-4d52-8a15-a880a118327f?context=homepage

does this link work?

those 3 are free until 19th

[lyric shell]

interesting. so should I not use this link anymore to check on the new sponsored content?
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/fabfreecontent

[tawny hinge]

i usually just check fab.com if you scroll down a bit you see the free ones

they promote it a bit more than on the old marketplace

[lyric shell]

yea i will just use that instead from now on. thanks

[worldly flower]

Now named "Limited-Time Free"

but the link contains a Hash.. so i think it will change every 2 Weeks

[tawny hinge]

yea i would assume the same

[worldly flower]

https://www.fab.com/blade/7c8a9479-b008-4d52-8a15-a880a118327f?context=homepage

https://www.fab.com/blade/7c8a9479-b008-4d52-8a15-a880a118327f?context=homepage

This part -> 7c8a9479-b008-4d52-8a15-a880a118327f
Maybe changes

[vale prawn]

I think Abby said she asked for a permanent link for the "Free for 2 weeks" stuff, so it's coming.

[lyric shell]

Thank you, everyone

[astral depot]

has anyone figured out how to curl (bash) the /i/listings/${PluginID}/asset-formats/unreal-engine endpoint? i can do it in command prompt, but if i do it in bash i get a "waiting" html/js

[jovial gust]

any fab mods or someone from epic its incredibly annoying the plugin filter is gone under library..

[vale prawn]

Is it not just the basic TLS fingerprinting over all Epic's websites? I'm surprised it works in a prompt honestly

Test any impersonator and see if it works better

[astral depot]

yeah for example

curl ^"https://www.fab.com/i/listings/0aadd41b-c02d-4f63-9009-bffad0070ebc/asset-formats/unreal-engine^" ^
  -H ^"Accept-Language: en^" ^
  -H ^"X-Requested-With: XMLHttpRequest^" ^
  -H ^"User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/130.0.0.0 Safari/537.36^" ^
  -H ^"Accept: application/json, text/plain, */*^"

Works great. You can remove all headers but the ones above and it works. Any additional removals will incur the same js/html response
No amount of headers seem to trick it in bash however XD

[warm knot]

Hey guys, I want to include a demonstration video for my game asset. Does Fab allow us to upload a video or do I need to provide a YouTube link? I'd rather not create a YouTube if I don't absolutely have to.

[naive pumice]

so is fab is gonna be inside the epic games launcher or not ?

i dont love to visit the website site that much

[untold bay]

YouTube link

Yes, it is crazy that in 2024 you can't put videos on your fab page

(Orbital nicely includes any linked youtube videos)

[warm knot]

That's friggin' wild, omg.

[thick gazelle]

Is Fab now owned by epic, or are they colaborating?

[dim fable]

fab was created and owned by epic

[drowsy plaza]

They said no sadly, only the vault will be part of the launcher. It is annoying having to go to a website to use it

[naive pumice]

what a drag

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah having it integrated in the launcher was really convenient with the marketplace

Maybe in a couple years they will add it back

[vale prawn]

Or maybe when they finally decide to make a new launcher. But given the state of Fab compared to the Marketplace, I'm thinking the current launcher actually is pretty good.

[drowsy plaza]

They don’t need a new launcher, the current one works really well.

[vale prawn]

You don't have to scroll up by much to find example of why it's terrible. Scroll past pre-Fab and 50% of this chanel was people complaining that their stuff was missing from the launcher or that all products were mysteriously "unavailable". And personally, I'm not a huge find of "find the orange dot", but maybe that's just me.

[keen mirage]

Hey guys, is it me or, is the discoverability of Fab pretty underwhelming? I released an asset pack earlier this month (- a premium throne room asset pack with a priority on modularity and optimized for games : https://www.fab.com/listings/982b5bb2-ec1e-49dc-89ed-5acd6ea708a1 - ) and till date there was no display of it on the front page, be it in new releases, or environments, anything. Is there anything that can be done to promote an asset pack on Fab?

[undone valve]

Nope. You cant promote an asset on Fab

[native parcel]

Funny and very very sad; this hellish orange dot that caused me so much grief in the past (as in not knowing which one of my 2000 assets has just been updated) has no replacement! I still get it on the launcher every time an asset updates, even with fab!

[undone valve]

I just dont update my purchased products as I dont have time to find some dot

[wooden spruce]

if I have an old unreal marketplace asset/project on a separate computer and want to get that on a different computer but its not migrated to the FAB store is there a way to transfer it to the new computer?

[undone valve]

Yeah you can copy it on a USB stick and move it that way. You can find your downloaded files in the cache data of the Epic Games Launcher

[untold bay]

discoverability is bad because of the absence of quality signals. basically every time you search you're evaluating assets at random

some assets have ratings carried over. but there are very few reviews per sale

[split iron]

When updating for UE5.5 do we need to change the MarketplaceURL to FabURL in the .uplugin?

[undone valve]

I did

[split iron]

What link do you put there for fab

[drowsy plaza]

They finally added the recent releases

[drowsy plaza]

this should be illegal, this is basically a scam. this seller offers nothing more for his professional license and charges 10x the amount for it just cause he wants to.

how is this not price gouging?

[undone valve]

I saw plenty of these assets already. 5 to 10 times the price. it is insane

No one is paying for that. I have a 2.5x on my professional license and they are selling well 😄

[drowsy plaza]

yeah hopefully these sellers get boycotted. I decided to make mine the same price and thats been working well for me

[undone valve]

But probably the way to maximize sales is to have same prices for both tiers

[undone valve]

Exactly

When I shop and I see an asset that costs the same in the professional price I tend to buy that asset instead of an alternative. But maybe that is just me

It feels like a better deal somehow

Idk

[drowsy plaza]

I initially made them 2.5x higher but wasnt selling anything so I changed it to same price and since then sales have been good, I think a lot of people complaining about sales fall off are pricing too high on their professional tiers

[untold bay]

good control to see what % of sales qualify as pro (i'm sure it varies by product category but still helpful)

[hollow basin]

I have a product that I sell a quite bit higher for professional mainly because the bigger studios need a lot more customer service than an indie buyer. Instead of providing customer service to one person, you are providing it to an entire studio. My product is quite versatile and confusing if you don't look at any documentation (which some people dont) so to provide hours of customer support for zero extra money would stink

[drowsy plaza]

whats your product? if I had a studio with dedicated programemrs and artists I would just build stuff custom

[cursive chasm]

Seems odd how Fab doesn't allow for a extended support product. Your exact description of providing support for an entire studio is insane to provide for free/the standard price of the product.

[hollow basin]

https://www.fab.com/listings/8afb963e-5179-4641-b9bc-703def0f6216
My professional is less than 5x standard but i am sure it that would still seem steep. But everyone has a unique project that need specific requirements. Don't get me wrong they have valid questions, but it can be a lot of questions

[hollow basin]

I understand why they can't set a limit to it but some customer service back and forth can go on for months. Averaging 5-10 back and forth messages per day

I do wish written reviews were still around since most of my reviews came from people that liked the customer service

[cursive chasm]

Can't let yourself get used like that. You need to offer 5-6 days like that and at the 7th ask them to pay you extra for your time.

Just a simple "Hey, I'm more then happy to keep helping you but for this to continue I'd need you to pay $199 for extended support.". Something along those lines to not get dragged around/abused.

[hollow basin]

Yeah, I have been more careful but it was for a student college project, and they were respectful. But I don't like the idea that a big studio may require the same level of service and instead of optionally doing it, it would be mandatory

[hollow basin]

Yeah I'll probably do that system if it ever goes more than a week of 5-10 messages. I wouldn't charge anything though for things that may seem like a bug or error because that would set a dangerous precedent

[drowsy plaza]

Has anybody here tried this plugin before? It seems to simplify the movie playing system in unreal

https://www.fab.com/listings/4ddde326-b31b-4e41-af09-5b5daa3a0686

[fossil dune]

I don’t see the issue here. It’s a larger studio requiring more support. why is this a problem and why should the seller be punished?

Plus, it’s a larger studio. The indies will be fine.
To a larger studio $1000 is less than a single employee’s salary.
Maybe ask that $4500 a month employee to build the same thing, see how long that takes/ delays the project

[drowsy plaza]

Greed is an Achilles heel, sellers that punish others for being successful won’t be successful themselves.

[fossil dune]

The greedy folks are the larger studios! Sellers are not trying to “punish” larger studios for their success. They are just trying to make a living too.

And the misconception here seems to be that larger studios can’t build these tools themselves. They can, they have the manpower, they have the resources.
They buy marketplace tools to save time and hit project deadlines. If paying $1000 saves you 6 months , is the $1000 really that much. By that time how far would your competitor be if they bought the plugin?

The only thing i don’t agree to is cheap to make assets costing that much, but either way who am i to say it should cost only $50 and not $500?
I simply won’t buy it.

But if a product i know will save me 8 months of a learning curve and hardwork, $1000 seems like a no brainer, i’ll gladly pay that

[drowsy plaza]

AAA studios are not buying your plugins Aubrey, they have staffs of 100s of people including full time engineers who program and modify the engine exclusively. You are punishing the indie dev who had a game that sold like 30k units and makes 3 grand a month off their game post launch month.

I don’t know of any AAA game I’ve played that used marketplace assets or plugins, the reason a game has a AAA budget is because they want everything custom and of the highest quality it can be. I don’t know of any plugin that would take a studio that has 20+ programmers 6 months to make with no work on anything else getting done.

If your studio has to shut down to implement steam SDK or a movie player for 6 months then that’s just bad management.

[warm knot]

I'm pretty sure that Concord developers can't make these plugins within 6 months.

[fossil dune]

Wait i don’t think you understand what you’re talking about.
1st of all the Indie Developer that bought your plugin DOES NOT have to buy a professional license if their game is successful.

2nd of all,
You seem to be confused about the gap between indie and AAA studio.
Theres Indie, A, AA then AAA.

Ive. contracted for a few A and AA, and if you measure the AAA by their funding, then 2 AAA.
And these studios do buy from the marketplace, Especially plugins. Ive contracted for a few and we used to get stuff from the marketplace all the time.

Especially when deadlines where looming….

And Third 20+ programmers can be slower than a single or 2 devs…

Sounds ridiculous, but they spend a lot of time arguing about the right way to do things than actually doing them, and when the work is on going that gets delayed by a lot of blame shifting … nobody wants to do the work…

How many of these are you going to do for how long…

4th if there was a 3rd tier that would be what is aimed at AAA. Not the 2nd tier, which seems to group everyone over 100k under 1 umbrella.
$1000 for a AAA is too little anyway. ⬆️⬆️⬆️

[hollow basin]

Also the seller is taking on a lot of the risk. If nobody buys the plugin, it's the seller that doesn't make any money. The AAA studio wouldn't (and frankly shouldn't) care that your plugin flops. Because we are taking on the risk of making something before they need it, it should be compensated that we took a risk in making the plugin. To be clear, I am not saying every plugin deserves to be bought, but the ones that are good deserve to be paid for the risk and time

[fossil dune]

Absolutely! The seller took a significant risk by developing an idea many initially dismissed, ultimately proving its value and setting a fair price.

Regarding the notion of having "hundreds of employees," it's a misconception that all are available for every task. Large studios are divided into specialized departments—such as art, design, programming, VFX, and sound—where only specific experts handle particular tasks. Even within these departments, only a subset are specialists in certain areas. Assigning tasks outside their expertise or contracts, like asking a UI designer to work on control rigs, isn't feasible. In reality, large studios often face coordination challenges, with everyone focused on their specialized roles rather than being "all hands on deck."

Even if that specialised team took 2 months, instead of 6 to make the plugin/functionality... How many plugins(functionality) are you going to build that way?, how long is it going to take. Time , time , time.. deadlines..

[split iron]

Where do you get the FabURL from

Think I found it on twitter
"FabURL": "com.epicgames.launcher://ue/Fab/product/insert-product-id-here",

[spring rivet]

hi ..anyone know ,,,received this email to make this verification ....do this have anything to do with the Fab published asset? (i have an asset on fab ) but on this portal i just made and organisation name just for curiosity i didnt published nothing here) this beying the epic game publisher portal .........do they have conection betwin the two ? (also i don;t have an organisation just solo dev) ,,,mabe someone clear this out ?

[rustic whale]

If you don’t put one you will get it back as needed change in their feedback sheet

Mind the fact that if it is a plugin and you package it from the editor, your uplugin file goes back to the old MarketplaceURL format and you need to manually update it

[fossil dune]

its there somewhere on the fab submission docs.. thats where i got it

[spark panther]

hej if I have an esset pack for unreal engine (uasset) where do I upload it, I have a bunch of game props (3d models) and will it be visible in the fab plugin from within engine?

it must go under listing-->environments--->game engine formats---->unreal engine?

if something is on the fab store, it is automatically available from withing unreal game launcher to be purchased?

what happens if I upload both obj and uasset, One goes to the general public and one to the unreal engine users?

[worldly flower]

In your publishing section of Fab you create the product.
Inside you define stuff like name..etc
Thrn you select the engine you support and inside you create a Version pack for that engine.

Individual for each engine version for code plugins.. or multiple versions per zip file for assets i guess.

Shipping both Source and asset file is recommended

[spark panther]

on the version title section I get AxiosError whatever name I try to choose, just disabled adblocker aNd it WORKS

[fast scarab]

i swear 80% of materials there is midjourney generated shit scrolling scrolling scrolling

[warm knot]

How do I know which versions will be supported for my assets? They're mostly 3D models and textures, but I also created Blueprints for these assets to make them functional. How then do I figure out the UE versions that my assets would work for?

[untold bay]

Generally it will be the version you made them in plus anything newer, though it's worth double checking in 5.x if you made it in 4.x

i think you can safely bet that if it works in your development version, and it works in the latest (5.5) then it will work everywhere in between as well

[wispy haven]

is anyone aware why Fab impots have a blank all white Height map?

all the imports ive tried so far come like this

[fast scarab]

compression setting: displacement will show allwhite

[warm knot]

My things were made in the latest version, and I assume that 3D models and textures will work in any version. I guess Blueprints are backward compatible?

[untold bay]

blueprints are sadly not backward compatible. you will have to recreate them in the oldest version of the engine you want your asset to be compatible with

UAssets in general are not backward compatible

[warm knot]

Should I migrate my project to older versions to see if it works? I'd like tonight increase sales by making this more available to people.

[untold bay]

By migrate I assume you mean manually?

I saw numbers on version popularity some time ago and people on 5 are generally on one of the more recent versions. Right now 5.3 is a pretty good target. But there's still a 4.27 audience that's worth supporting if it's not too much trouble

[warm knot]

Ok, thanks. I'll just see how things go in the beginning with just 5.4. Would be nice if Epic had metrics that we could look at.

[fast scarab]

If you want speed of 4.27 disable lumen nanite and vsm 😉

[hollow minnow]

World Partition is very broken with the fab plugin enabled. You can't make them without disabling it first, then you can't build the level without disabling it, but if you disable it, any assets/decals you got from it will lose its parent material so long as it's disabled.

[fast scarab]

hmm I think they fixed it in 5.5 final

fab breaking everything

[spark panther]

so if you select unity you need that unity specific file, I have like normal map for unity, but I guess I also need engine files?

[drowsy plaza]

It always shocks me when people are still on 4.27, the performance difference is now better in 5.5 than 4.27 and you lose out on so many bug fixes and features by staying on 4.27.

[glass crystal]

Is this just repackaging open-source icon packs for Unreal? Doesn't this violate copyright law if you ship it in your game?
https://www.fab.com/listings/4505c6be-cfeb-4fc9-859c-7679ffdcdece

[untold bay]

It'd help a lot if UE5 had a "create project with UE4 performance setting defaults"

[untold bay]

Depends on the licenses of the original products.

I haven't looked up all of them but in the case of Kenney's icons, they are in fact CC0: https://kenney.nl/assets/game-icons

The Fab/Marketplace rules are pretty clear that you can only include CC0 content but only for showcase purposes, eg. you can't just resell CC0 assets. This product is kind of on the edge. That said, I think repackaging CC0 items to make them more easily usable is a good thing and should be allowed.

[coral pollen]

Hi ! Does anyone here has also problems with the FAB Team and random sanctions ??
I really pissed now, since I get a ton of sanctions for things which are ridiculous

• Adult Content -> A bus station!? A simple bus station
• Adult Content -> A market ?
• Discrimination -> Simple Traffic Signs !?
  Sorry but what is going on? How can a traffic sign like stop sign discriminate someone? I appealed the sanction and without any info it got denied?
  I also facing the closure of the selling account regarding the mail?

I never had such problems ever with the UEM, not single report, not any problems with the content guidelines

[untold bay]

can you post screenshots

[warm knot]

Oh, you didn't know? Telling certain groups of people to STOP is considered racist now. JK, it's not. Is that really the reason that they gave?

[warm knot]

Riot Games was using UE 4 for their shooter game, Valorant. They're now finally deciding to upgrade to UE 5 soon, saying that they pushed 4 to the limit and have run out of options at this point.

[drowsy plaza]

According to California that’s not a joke

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-06-12/silver-lake-retires-their-remaining-anti-gay-cruising-signs

[coral pollen]

Since the Mails are in german, I "auto-translated " them in Gmail.
As you can see, I have zero infos of what's going on and which genius approved the sanction ...

https://www.fab.com/listings/8fa7a45e-1182-4b58-b638-a91629486ade
Asian Collection: Japanese Traffic Signs Vol. 1

and this is only one example

[coral pollen]

🥲 ^

[spark panther]

omg

[untold bay]

i meant screenshots of the assets

[coral pollen]

Just signs, i have ton of signs

[drowsy plaza]

Send in a support ticket and give them the sanction number, if you ask for more information usually they provide it.

[untold bay]

What about the market/bus station? My initial guess was some alcohol or tobacco present on a product that wasn't listed as mature

[still basin]

This is a nightmare, I don't think a human would have done this...

[coral pollen]

Maybe the evil burger is the problem idk

[coral pollen]

Yea i did it now ! I hope they will solve this 😐

[coral pollen]

But if you appeal i thought a human being would check this? 😅 Isnt that the reason why this button exists in the sanction form?

[still basin]

Yeah, honestly I have been a publisher full time , but now I wonder if maybe I should get back to make games.

[coral pollen]

Seems like it's getting worse from day to day 🥲

[warm knot]

Oh, yeah, that's a whole lot of racist traffic signs you got there. You should be ashamed! 😤 /s

[warm knot]

I'm so glad I don't live there anymore, holy 💩!

[still basin]

Make a reddit post and share it here,

[coral pollen]

I'm just a bad person and I love it

[warm knot]

If the appeal isn't looked at by an actual human then you might even want to post it on X to get someone's attention. 😆

Yeah, clearly you are an evil, EVIL person. /s

[spark panther]

so what happens at the first tragic death from not stopping , they're gonna put the sign back or?

[coral pollen]

I wait for the answer of the support team 🥲 ... I think they will answer in the next 24 h, i mean my account is blocked for 14 days so ... 😄

[coral pollen]

But maybe the person died peacefully without discrimination of that stop sign? 😂

[still basin]

I was thinking the same on Reddit

[warm knot]

The amazing thing is that these people designated poles and traffic signs as being NSFW. What are these people thinking of? Strippers or something?!

[hollow basin]

If you used a random picture of a burger and someone identified it as a branded burger like McDonald's or Wendy's. Epic may have flagged it so that those companies won't complain about it later if its used inappropriately. That's my best guess

[drowsy plaza]

I think fab uses TikTok’s AI which has a tendency to think everything is about bops

I wouldn’t be surprised if in 2 years when you search “traffic signs” on fab a 3d model of Sophie rain or Brooke monk pops up

[warm knot]

But that's clearly not either brand lol. Now, if DerSky made it so that the actual burger you get in game looks NOTHING like the picture, then you might have a case here. 😂

[hollow basin]

I don't eat at any fast food places so I don't know what the actual burgers look like of those places but those two places I named I was just using as examples. I know it's also a long shot but it was the best explanation I could come up with. There are also other signs in the pack which aren't as visible and it could be something on there which we can't see but it's just hard to know without more context

[vale prawn]

WTF is wrong with Epic! You're like my favorite creator, you're basically THE creator for any company in the professional driving simulation world, and you have to deal with this crap? I just went through your bus station since I own it, and there's (obviously) nothing remotely adult about it. Let me know if this gets sorted out, if not I'll try to ping some people at Epic (long shot, but worth a try).

And in the meantime, there are very obviously ripped assets selling for $100 on Fab, and absolutely NOTHING is being done about it. Jesus I'm so mad 😡

[spark panther]

oh I get it it is about obesity, thats why flagged, or it might offend vegans? hmm

[warm knot]

Some people are attracted to bus stations. And boy, oh boy, those screenshots were steamy.

[spark panther]

post it on reddit and other media, at worst you'll get some attention and public for your products, as positive side effect

heck you might even gt famous, anyway GL and don't worry too much

[proper dew]

Ive just watched your video and i have rarely seen something as ridiculous as this. How do you even come up with the idea to report a traffic signs pack for discrimination?

The only two things i can imagine are that there are no women on your signs, only men. Or that there is a sign with a black figure working. I just cant think of anything else.

[drowsy plaza]

I’m in trouble if that’s the case, all my assets just use the default mannequin which is a man

[proper dew]

How dare you. You are just so evil.

Instead of adding questions and written reviews to fab they use their time to ban or censor asset packs for absolutely no reason. Sad.

[drowsy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-smile-creepy-star-wars-darth-sideous-gif-16455630

[coral pollen]

@hollow basin Thats a completly normal burger, at least I think it is, so if someone made a similar one, then i'll see you in court! 😂
@vale prawn Thank you for the kind words! A support employee has forwarded it and now a "final" **final **check is taking place about this discriminating pack ! 😄

The sanctions from the bus stop pack have been withdrawn, but it's funny (no not at all) that my Bus Stop pack got sanctions, my Warning Sign Pack was also reported and sanctioned (mature content - luckily this was also withdrawn), but come on, terminating my Marketplace asset for a violation of the rules (first time) because of discriminating traffic signs is wild . At the moment I get 3 Sanctions/Month
@warm knot I mean yes, the bus station has really nice corners and edges, understandable that some people find it attractive 😉

@spark panther At the moment I hope I get it solved without too much drama 🥲

[undone valve]

I submitted a plugin and they rejected it because it could be misused by developers. I mean, just take a look at all the file management plugins. They could also be misused by evil developers that want to delete your files. Anything can be misused...

[coral pollen]

Lol ... You could misuse anything if you really want 🥲 There are kids in the marketplace, there are guns in the marketplace and there public-building asset packs, just saying 🥲

[undone valve]

100%. It is insane that they are so "hard" against us normal people that just want to release our hard work to the public and on the same market there are 100 different super mario, sonic, iphone models you can choose from...

[coral pollen]

Yea it seems like the design is not the only thing which changed a lot since the FAB release 😅 Never had a problem like this in the UEM

[undone valve]

Me neither

[drowsy plaza]

What was the plugin doing?

Also @undone valve I noticed you build a lot of windows utility style plugins, what’s your programming background in?

[undone valve]

It allowed you to open your application using any keyboard input combination you want/set

[drowsy plaza]

How could that be misused? Windows shortcuts are application specific

[undone valve]

Yeah idk man. They said it could be used as a keylogger???

[drowsy plaza]

Did you ask them if there were certain combos not allowed you could blacklist?

[drowsy plaza]

That’s weird, was it using any third party APIs?

[pulsar nova]

oh no, the people with the ability to put literally any arbitrary code into their games could misuse your plugin

[cursive chasm]

Are we all moving to OrbitalMarket? 🙂

[pulsar nova]

it is quite funny to see those issues with overmoderation when 90% of the time there is no moderation at all

[coral pollen]

I dont think its funny when they wanna terminate my account because of Traffic Signs 😂 but yea, its weird af

[pulsar nova]

meanwhile every genuine report I ever made was ignored

my condolences for your account 😔

[coral pollen]

Nothing is lost yet! 😂 I fight until they understand that Japanese Traffic Signs have nothing to do with discrimination 😂
I think you should report assets also in the Unreal Forums ... maybe they act faster because you made it public, like people did it here with the Quixel Mine Pack and the 0,99$ Clone Mine Pack

[undone valve]

Exactly. Its just stupid

[undone valve]

Yeah, this is too much of a reaction. Even if they have genuine concerns of something being discriminating they shouldn't terminate the complete account with all the other products. That doesn't make any sense.

[coral pollen]

Its more like they will do it at the end of the month (at least this is the text i see on publish.unrealengine.com), also why they dont just mailing me that something is so problematic in my pack ? I mean since I never had a sanction in general, it would be fine to think that it was mistake - but at least for them the problem is that there is nothing to complain about 😐 !

[flat island]

Maybe someone from Epic will respond here?

This is really unfair

For signs and a burger? Seriously

There should be an explanation, in general, such behavior on Epic's part discourages people from selling anything on FAB

Someone tries hard, spends years and it all goes to waste because of someone else's whim

It should be clarified what exactly is causing these violations

[wheat zephyr]

Random question but how can I create the project for the new 5.5 game animation sample? The launcher only shows the 5.4 version and using the fab plugin in UE 5.5 to view the asset it doesn't say add/create project. It just says view in vault or launcher which both do nothing to help, it just restarts the loop of add via launcher/fab plugin 😂

[coral pollen]

Only for the Japanese Traffic Signs (at least I think that)
I got a response from the support team, that they will clarify this and tell me whats going on - I'm curious to see what comes out of it 😅
The "account blocking" is also currently being reviewed

[undone valve]

Epic doesnt respond to 70% of their emails so...

[drowsy plaza]

Really? I’ve never not gotten a response from them on the marketplace, EGS, or fab. Only thing they typically ignore is the forums

[flat island]

Let me know how it goes, because this situation can happen to any of us

[undone valve]

Yeah me and plenty of other users get no respond. We asked for our wishlists, simple questions and so on

[drowsy plaza]

Where did you send from? Did you use support.fab.com?

[undone valve]

I still have at least two important emails that they havent responded yet

[undone valve]

yes

The UE marketplace team always answered!

[drowsy plaza]

Weird, I had to send it a support ticket because the review was flagging stuff they shouldn’t and they responded within 24 hours and told me they fixed the issue internally after my ticket and to resubmit for approval since it wasn’t my fault.

Maybe your ticket accidentally got deleted when the support member handling emails that day was cleaning their inbox or something. If it’s been more than 3-5 days then send in another support ticket and let them know it’s been a few days and you need help since it’s important

I used to work help desk for a bank and sometimes a ticket sent via email would get marked as read or deleted accidentally since we got so many

[warm knot]

You guys aren't giving me a whole lot of confidence in this platform, lol...

[undone valve]

Its nearly 3 weeks 😄 I think it is really time to send another email. The weird thing is that for one of my emails I never received that email that an agent is now escalating my case...

One email was about my reviews not transferring which still isnt fixed for one product

[drowsy plaza]

Since they made the launch changes it’s been going good for me, I like it. They just have some bugs that need ironing out. By January it will likely be a lot better

[drowsy plaza]

Oh yeah it likely got deleted or marked as read and forgotten about. Their website says they respond within 1-3 business days

[drowsy plaza]

They posted on the forums that bug is from reviews that showed up after fab launched or after they initiated the transfer and are working to resolve it

[undone valve]

Do you happen to have a link to that forum post`?

[drowsy plaza]

Just go to the announcements section, I think it’s on the bug post Abby made or the patch notes post

[undone valve]

Aight. Thank you

Abby is the only staff member that tries to convey to us what the Fab team is up to

No other efforts for community interactions...

[drowsy plaza]

I honestly think she is the one assigned to the forums, the other two I see are product managers and a developer who post on occasion.

[drowsy plaza]

There is always the CEO of Epic on twitter

[undone valve]

But I mean this is huge change and they could like post more on Twitter about issues and stuff. They also did 0 advertisement

[drowsy plaza]

One guy complained about typos in unreal docs and Tim responded saying that will get fixed

I think it’s really cool how down to earth Tim Sweeney is, he responds to literally everyone on X.

[undone valve]

I didn't knew that, nice! The Steam CEO is also like that. You can literally write him anything and he will respond. Its like you are part of the Steam team if you send him feedback about something 😄

[drowsy plaza]

I’ve got some words for that man

[undone valve]

About what?

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t want to get my games kicked off steam though since several of my followers use it

[drowsy plaza]

My experience publishing on steam has not been good, I am only on there because I have fans who don’t have a console and don’t want to use epic games

[undone valve]

Gabe Newell would never do that. He is chill af

[undone valve]

I think this convo doesn't quite fit in this channel :D. Do you mind to continue this conversation via DM?

[minor tulip]

https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fab.com%2Flistings%2Fe480d33b-3253-43c3-8e57-cc90cd738dc8&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
Hey so

This literally has the half life 2 strider

Bendy and the ink machine character

Alien isolation characters

And probably other stolen stuff

[raven anchor]

Is the FAB plugin not allowed on custom engine types (based on 5.4.2)? The files have been added to the project and engine but theres no way to actually open the FAB browser. Really dont want to have to migrate/import this stuff manually

[coral vault]

Pay to get sued

[warm knot]

Oh, that's fine because it doesn't come with racist traffic signs or NSFW bus stations and poles. So this guy should be good to go! /s

[hasty kraken]

is there going to be black friday sale?

[hollow zephyr]

it has been...unreal
almost two weeks and fab support has no answer on my missing personal price

even though I can edit it it's always missing in the live version

[viral zinc]

First time I see that, hope they reply and get it fixed :/

does the new Fab have keywords ?

in case the users search for a specific word ? (I see tabs but usure if you can define)

[hollow zephyr]

Well they did reply and I explained it in details over like three tickets...i dont think they get it 😅

[rustic whale]

There are tags and categories of course

[viral zinc]

That happened to me before on the update profile creation

Took me 6 days and 15 emails in order to they spot the first thing I named/pointed

Feel like there is a bot layer giving generic replies or something

[viral zinc]

Thank you Marco!

[wintry sparrow]

I got a live listing in the fab store and I want to update it with a new version (some bug fixes, etc..). If I edit the listing and change the link with new version for approval, will it take down the listing till approved?

[flat island]

@coral pollen Let me know if it was possible to explain that.

[tepid aspen]

Hi - Where is the publish button? My assets for UE5.5 got approved, but not seeing the changes in live.

[hollow zephyr]

no, it keeps the old version live

[wintry sparrow]

Thank you. Even I edit the same version, just changing the link and title and hitting "submit for review?"

[rustic whale]

You need to clean up your uproject file and remove all plugins which are disabled and therefore not needed

You can edit it with a text editor like Notepad but make sure you preserve its structure

[shell heath]

@rustic whale sorry for tagging, I m allowed to share my fab product here?

[rustic whale]

Not as pure advertisement. For that we have our showcase channels.

-> Community Creations

This channel is to discuss issues with Fab or when publishing on Fab

[buoyant plinth]

I got this when i activated fab plugin or what was it: Error LogClass BoolProperty FFabAssetMetadata::IsQuixel is not initialized properly. Module:Fab File:Private/FabBrowserApi.h
Display LogClass 1 Uninitialized script struct members found including 0 object properties
Error LogAutomationTest LogClass: BoolProperty FFabAssetMetadata::IsQuixel is not initialized properly. Module:Fab File:Private/FabBrowserApi.h [log]

so how to initialize fab properly? i cant remember did i activate it on plugins or where

[thick gazelle]

while literally every store in the world has black friday marketing (or any holiday sale or any kind of sale really).....meanwhile fab is dead silent 😬

[agile slate]

when will they add all the paragon characters it takes ages i hate fab lol

[echo egret]

Good question... I came to ask the same but I guess I'll get the same answer: none! I guess there's no signal from Epic on that matter yet. Which, I know what you're probably thinking, it does suck. It sucks indeed! 😏

[tardy charm]

are my eyes broken or does this pack look like the one made by a different publisher back in 2016 https://www.fab.com/listings/f3ecdf7c-c79f-42b8-ac1f-d94345ad53e1
Edit: It got taken down!

Here's the video link to the ORIGINAL 2016 one which has not been migrated to fab https://youtu.be/1fc8-oCwi4E?feature=shared

Either Froyok decided to do an online identity change or someone reuploaded Froyok's pack onto FAB because last time i checked they stopped using unreal and started making their own engine.

[drowsy plaza]

There is a Black Friday, they announced it a week or two ago

[echo egret]

I guess I missed that. Thanks.

[celest escarp]

100% stolen lol

Reddit account with no ue history except for a bunch of tik tok ai slop money grubbing from 6 months ago.

[tardy charm]

yeah i called them out of reddit

[drowsy plaza]

Their fab description reads like it was made in ChatGPT

It uses a lot of buzzwords like “ominous” and sounds very generic

[tardy charm]

seems like the original pack wasn't migrated to fab and someone who owns it saw it as an opportunity to make a quick buck since only the people who own the original pack would know that its stolen

[drowsy plaza]

possibly, hopefully its just a scammy seller reselling his products as new and not a thief stealing assets and trying to resell them

[tardy charm]

I don't think this is a scammy seller reselling their old stuff. Froyok does not work in unreal anymore, they moved onto creating their own engine and they seem to have a stable job at Adobe so they have no reason to do this. Not to mention the reddit post history of this person doesn't make sense if it were to be Froyok. This is 100% a thief

[drowsy plaza]

That’s not good

[violet scarab]

Hi everyone

Is Epic Launcher acting weird on your end as well? When I try to install a plugin to UE, it shows like the UE version is not supported but I can see it is supported on the FAB page. Some plugins that are already installed on some engines are showing as not installed as well. Anyone found a workaround for this?

One example would be UDS. It shows that it's already compatible with even 5.5. But on the Launcher is looks like it's only compatible up to 5.3.

[celest escarp]

UDS works just fine for me. Try clearing cacheee? Maybe its only 5.4.3

[tardy charm]

Lmao, this is great

[rustic whale]

Try logging off and back on the Epic Launcher

It did the trick for me, together with a restart

[thick gazelle]

Fab, the only store in the world that does not have black friday sale...

[tardy charm]

Ok so luckily this is now taken down but i think the thief pulled the plug before epic so unfortunately their seller account still exist

[Redacted for now] is who you should look out for, don't trust them

[dire meteor]

We aren't allowed to name and shame people here, are we?

[hollow zephyr]

pretty sure we are

[hollow zephyr]

isnt black friday november 21 or 28 in the USA?

[hollow basin]

Black Friday in the US is the 29th so there's plenty of time. But other stores and websites like to milk the holiday for at least 2 weeks, which is why there are some deals on other stores now

Sellers are also not supposed to reveal sale dates but if you scroll way up through the chat you may find some answers

[tardy charm]

If that's the case, I will redact the name, I mostly mentioned it because they were stealing and illegally reselling assets which can hurt unsuspecting developers and artists who buys them.

[dire meteor]

Yeah, I totally get it. But I don't think the mods here want to be responsible for people slandering each other etc.

[rustic whale]

Indeed. I understand the issue has been reported to Epic, so let’s have them do their job and take it down as needed.

[tardy charm]

That's fair, I hope epic will do something and wouldn't ignore it just because the seller probably got rid of it before epic reads the ticket

[dire meteor]

I'm sure they will have the history there.

The seller removing it somehow doesn't delete it from their records 😛

[tardy charm]

true

nothing is ever deleted in the online world

[drowsy plaza]

I am really excited for fab to have analytics in the near future for sellers, that was always something I felt was missing from the marketplace

[warm knot]

Why would he remove it in the first place? 🤔

[mortal roost]

is there a way to check if a packaged plugin will work on linux and mac without having to test it on these systems? the plugin itself doesn't use any special things, it's basically just a component. can i assume that it will work or will this be tested anyway by epics validation process?

[drowsy plaza]

Unreal engine is mostly the same across all platforms, only things that may different are third party sdks like steam

So it should work fine as long as it’s nothing crazy, the packaging tool will tell you if something won’t work usually

[mortal roost]

i see. thanks! i have one more question. did you guys ever get an e-mail regarding the FAB publishing process where they write "refer to the attached PDF" and then there is no attached PDF but an error code at the end of the e-mail?

[drowsy plaza]

Are you referring to the changes needed email?

[mortal roost]

yes

[drowsy plaza]

What was the error?

[mortal roost]

errorcode and no PDF

[drowsy plaza]

No clue, try to open it in a desktop web browser

A normal browser like chrome

[mortal roost]

hmmm ok i will try, but it was like that on my office program on PC and mobile

[mortal roost]

it's the same in browser

[drowsy plaza]

I’m not sure, double check there are not attachments and send them a support ticket if there are not

[mortal roost]

there are none. i resubmitted with the changes from the e-mail itself. so let's cross fingers that there is no PDF with 10000 todos lol

[last matrix]

no sales since the 6th, can't adjust prices till after the black friday sale happens or it takes my products off the sale. But if this is the trend for the whole month, I reverting the pro pricing to match the personal teir. Cause regardless of the fact that only big companies should be using that tier, I still think it's confusing the rest of the regular users from buying the personal teir price version

[tawny schooner]

Hi guys, I've jsut started using quixel for my scenes, and since quixel moved to FAB, the way for downloading materials either became a hussle or I'm missing something. So far I need to download each surface material package, unzip, move to UE project folder, create a material each time. Is there a faster way to import quixel materials from fab to an existing UE 5 project? Thanks

[proper dew]

Yes there is a fab plugin available in the vault.

But the materials from the plugin dont include displacement textures for some reason. So if you need those you have to manually download the material from the fab website.

[drowsy plaza]

The email said that only applies to price increases, you can make it cheaper before Black Friday

[warm knot]

There are only two pricing tiers and yet... that's confusing game developers??? 🤣

[unkempt adder]

Hey everyone in #fab , I am using UE 5.5 with Quixel Bridge but it doesnt let me download things it just says asset not available in uasset format

[tawny hinge]

glad they added the price change throttling for sales

i was often pissed to find stuff at 50% after they've increased the price by 100% (exactly when the sale started)

[warm knot]

Yeah, that's the kind of bool shit that Walmart pulls off!

[tawny hinge]

way too many do that

#hardware message

[polar escarp]

if someone buys my product on FAB, where can i manage where my money goes? im srly lost on where to find it
please @me or DM me if you answer me, ty!

[vale prawn]

I was looking for a small car. Search is still going great if you were wondering 🫠

[dire meteor]

At least a couple of them actually have cars in the picture/title.

[dim fable]

probably snuck in there by pure random chance

[drowsy plaza]

You are searching for a 3d model from Sketchfab with the unreal marketplace filter, there should be more car packs that show up but remove the unreal engine filter and you get this

You should only use the unreal engine filter if searching for unreal specific products like code plugins or blueprints, if searching for 3d models turn it off

Actually I’m not even sure why it showed random stuff, I searched small car with the unreal engine filter and car products popped up

[vale prawn]

Nono, I'm searching for a rigged Unreal vehicle, so I have the proper filters

What I wanted was that, you know, a small car: https://www.fab.com/listings/e142e90c-e02c-4519-933a-c7a6433d43b5

Typing the exact product name doesn't even find it. Unless you remove the Unreal filter, which... I mean the product is only compatible with Unreal, so 🤷

Oh scratch that, it's because the link I used to get to Fab had a custom sort in place (because, you know, the Most Recent sort doesn't actually sort by most recent). And for all further searches, the sort preference is kept. But since it's a custom sort, Fab doesn't know how to display it and displays nothing instead. Mystery solved 🙃

Sort by nothing I guess....

[drowsy plaza]

You want to sort by relevance probably

https://www.fab.com/listings/97a2d8bc-ec85-498c-bff1-fa475bd12980

Are those animations or 3d models set to a specific pose?

[vale prawn]

It's an animation, you can preview it with the 3D viewer

It's also in the Technical Details of the FBX details

[honest blade]

When I try to go to anything under the Publish section, it gives me the FAB Distribution Agreement. Which even if you click the checkbox on the bottom to agree and then accept, will just come back up. Is anyone else experiencing this?

[drowsy plaza]

Make sure you are logged on with your seller account and not a personal account

[wind burrow]

Does Fab work for custom engine builds? I can't seem to get it to integrate at all.

[honest blade]

I am logged in with the correct account. Even if I wasn't, it's still not letting me just accept the terms.

[drowsy plaza]

this sounds like a better version of wishlisting than we got on the marketplace. I may actually use it if they notify me when a product I wishlisted goes on sale.

fab may offer sellers bundling features with discounts for those who own parts of the bundle. this would be an amazing feature

this james guy is a goldmine of information on the forums

[undone valve]

Very very cool!

Hopefully they actually deliver this

[drowsy plaza]

I know a lot of people here liked the wishlist feature but I am more excited about bundles, I tend to make sister products to ones that do well so making a bundle for my shader packs or Procedural NPC plugins would be nice

with fab offering discounts to those who own part of the bundle it removes even more friction

[undone valve]

Yeah that would be insane. However, what should I do with my current bundle products for plugins? Hopefully they will add something so I can say that everyone who owns my bundle packs gets the actual bundles

[drowsy plaza]

yeah allowing the migration of existing old bundles would have to be a feature

[warm knot]

Could I give buyers the option to download my product in different formats? Say, if they didn't want to download my Unreal project but just wanted the 3D models and textures instead, is that an option that I could provide?

[drowsy plaza]

Under the other formats option yeah

I think there is a limit to how many files so it might be best to separate them into multiple products

[warm knot]

Thanks, I'll check that out.

[drowsy plaza]

How do we use the order verification tool?

I put in the order id of two confirmed orders and it says invalid ID format

Has anyone been able to use the verify order tool?

[undone valve]

Yeah. Make sure to not put any spaces in there

[drowsy plaza]

I checked and there were no spaces, I copied directly from the receipt

[drowsy plaza]

So I got the verify working but I guess you can’t use text from image tools like apple had built into their OS to get the order ID and copy it in fab. I wonder if those tools add hidden characters or something

[undone valve]

I use snipping tool and it worked 😄

[drowsy plaza]

When I retyped out the code verbatim it worked but copying the output from the text from image tools didn’t work

not directly related to fab but why has epic done nothing with the water plugin since 4.26 when it was introduced. we are 7 engine versions nlater and its still in experiemental stage.

[untold bay]

https://x.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1858321210066567234

Tim Sweeney (@TimSweeneyEpic) on X

@ABAOProductions Sorry, Fab came in much hotter than we had realized prior to going live. Big improvements are in the works in all of these areas and will roll out over time in the coming months. Most of the back-end systems already exist and are in need of new UX.

Twitter · Nov 18, 2024, 1:27 AM

[warm knot]

What's the funniest thing you've seen that's for sale on Fab?

I saw somebody selling the default cube on there.

[untold bay]

An environment labeled as "AAA quality" that would have looked cruddy in 1999
And was a strictly-worse version of something available for free in much higher quality

[warm knot]

I'm tempted to upload a AAA quality invisible statue.

[drowsy plaza]

Do you remember what it was so you can share it with us?

[drowsy plaza]

There is a big market for invisible statues over on cryengine

[untold bay]

a boring answer, but i don't want to out assets just for being cruddy

[drowsy plaza]

Fair enough

[worldly flower]

let me guess:
There still is no solution for Install Error MD-0011-0, beside waiting and hoping that the Seller will update the listing..?
Cause i still cannot find a Report Button to report problems with the Installation..

[silent mesa]

is there any way to let fab know when i open it to have default filters? like i just want to see unreal engine related assets whenever i go to fab by default

[worldly flower]

no...

[thorny compass]

Bookmark it.

[vale prawn]

Is there more details on the rational behind their decision in the My Sanctions page? The most infuriating part about this seems to be the absolute lack of details explaining the sanction, as well as the possible steps to take to solve it. It looks like Epic is just saying "No you don't", without any explanation whatsoever.

And in the meantime, there still are stolen/ripped content posted daily on Fab 🫠

[gritty stream]

https://fab.com/s/8f25444fe679

[flat island]

I also receive sanctions, mainly for "Mature Content". And those products marked like that are absurd, e.g. I received sanctions because the product contains a beer mug, it's just MUG!

you just have to handle FAB like an egg now, you have to adapt to new guidelines and more stringent law 😔

I also started receiving these sanctions when updating assets to 5.5

https://www.fab.com/listings/c2c763aa-7dfa-4a19-b4ff-28d4b3131e6e

I suspect you will also receive sanctions for this

[gritty stream]

Fab hasnt gone through all products yet and I have resubmitted another update with the web browser removed. 🤞

[gritty stream]

Whats your product that has been sanctioned?

[flat island]

but the system itself may be deemed to be capable of being misused

[flat island]

I don't want to publish it here 🙂

[gritty stream]

Misused how when its simulated? Might as well remove watch dogs game from Epic store

[flat island]

I’m not sure about their approach, but I received sanctions for things I would never have expected to be considered violations.]

simply absurd

I’m not updating anything to version 5.5 for now; I’ll wait out the legal storm. @gritty stream

[undone valve]

I uploaded a product recently but canceled my submission after like 5 minutes. Today I got a message from the fab team saying that changes are needed 💀 So their backend system also is buggy

[gritty stream]

Their system is very buggy and they are using ai and human intervention to automate things, my appeal got denied in 10 minutes.

[flat island]

Don’t appeal too often, as they may block your account.

and with it, you probably lose all the assets you bought :/

I'm a little stressed

[vale prawn]

Only 4 products were published on Fab in the last ~12 hours. I'm guessing that, again, something is broken on the display side of things.

Maybe Epic is too busy banning random people and don't have time to process new listings 😛

[winter hollow]

i guess fab under heavy fireload ? it is already over a day since i sent plugin updates for 5.5

[worldly flower]

I have 8 Plugin Creators that have uploaded 5.5 updates a day after 5.5 release.. they didn't hear back from epic.. and still no pushed 5.5 update in fab ^^

i need 16 more updates until i can switch..

[astral locust]

Can you report some one selling copyrighted assets if you aren't the owner and if you want to keep yourself anonymous?

[worldly flower]

not in the current law situation of the US

[astral locust]

oh that's a bummer, thanks for the info!!

[worldly flower]

If you know the original creator - take your report to him with a link 😉

[astral locust]

yeah, that's what I thought

the person isn't very smart either, took models from some of the most popular games

[worldly flower]

Fab is littered with that stuff..

Epic currently is not doing anything, since the original creator needs to report this.. BUT - i think what epic misses.. if Epic makes any revenue with that stuff, they are complicit of copyright infringement - provable by invoices..

Currently, the creators get 100% revenue.. let's wait for January.. Nintendo rub their hands.

[astral locust]

Thing is, this is extremely problematic and concerning.
I used to buy all sort of content from the store but knowing that this sort of things are happening and that no one are doing anything to stop it, I might stop getting stuff from here. I don't want to buy material that I might not recognize at first hand but then it gets me in some sort of trouble which might cost a fortune.... also it's only matter of time that the store gets flooded with this sort of things if it doesn't get stopped soon. Real shame.

[tardy charm]

Free assets are updated https://www.fab.com/blade/c949409a-866e-4e74-8d1b-208cd257e899?context=homepage

[worldly flower]

Maaaan.. nice to have them.. but they are currently underwhelming..

[fair fulcrum]

GUYS i have been having issues with fab since day 1. today it logged it and it does not let me add anything to cart or buy anything

please i need help

to resolve this stupid mess that will make people hate epic gamez permenently

pleaseeeeeeeee

like ive missed so much

just because of this mess

[steel patio]

Clear cache? Try new browser? make an alt account?

[fair fulcrum]

alt account i cannot.. i have too many assets on this to lose

not even opera

god i wish fab goes out of buisness now

bring back marketplace

if you cant make one bloody website

functional

please any help?

i need to claim all assets

but

not even the free ones

GOD

now on alt it gets added and says its on your library but in library it says no products owned

i got the emails aswell

someone tell epic games to shut this down aldready!

guys open a ticket to take down this nonsense please

[tardy charm]

yeah they're expensive but not really that... great? useful?

a lot of these will just stay as bloat in my library

[flat island]

new assets appear, but it seems to me that they are buried under others that were previously published, when creating a Listing you already occupy some position in the new assets

even though the asset is listed as "Draft"

so when creating a listing, it's best to publish it as soon as possible

It's generally stupid, but that's how it works in FAB

[tepid aspen]

Do you guys know if Fab sales report working or not?

[drowsy plaza]

yes they work, if it says "No sales reported" then you have not sold something yet

[hollow basin]

It's been working for me, just remember to select the time range

[flat island]

I can already see that my sales will be worse than on the old marketplace

by 50%

[drowsy plaza]

mine have been better, are you charging more for professional tiers? people on the forums who do that are reporting lower sales

[flat island]

Yes, professional price is higher

[drowsy plaza]

thats probably why your sales dropped, consider doing price parity

[flat island]

over time, people will get used to it 😅 I leave these prices. are fine, e.g. If I spent 1 month creating the asset and I value it at $150 professional and $30 personal, then it's fine for me

[drowsy plaza]

respectfully you serve your customers as a business not yourself, if you punish others for being successful in their domain then why would they help you be successful in yours?

[ebon kelp]

Will they?
They should give us back the old Unreal Marketplace!
So many people are struggling with this. Not being able to access from the Launcher is already a big L.

I am sure lots of the people have already "lost" so many valuable wishlisted assets or cant be bothered to go back and search for them.
Some others will loose the free of the month assets too. lol

[drowsy plaza]

unless you offer special perks with the professional tier then thats just price gouging based on revenue

[flat island]

Total value of the asset is 150, I gives the opportunity for small studios to achieve success by reducing the price to 30

[drowsy plaza]

if you think people will just get used to paying 5-10x the price for stuff then I guess you can try to wait it out but I dont think this is a temporary thing

[drowsy plaza]

that just looks like price gouging though, it would be more fair if both were 150

you can maybe put a disclaimer in your description about why you price so much more

[flat island]

I've seen some people set the price for personal at $30 and professional at $1,500

$150 for an asset that takes a month to create is really cheap for a large studio\

depends on the approach, I normally had sales of the professional version, even though the difference between personal and professional is $80-150

[drowsy plaza]

large studios tend to make stuff in house, you are punishing people who had a game that sold like 15k units on steam in the launch month and makes them 1-3k a month post launch month

[flat island]

I not punishing anyone 😅

[drowsy plaza]

as a consumer when I see someone price gouging thats what I assume they are doing.

especially if its on a discriminatory metric like earned income amount

[flat island]

look the other way around, I lower it for smaller ones

[fresh sphinx]

I think something to keep in mind, is that majority of customers on FAB are hobbyist's and indie's. And as such, you would benefit a lot more if the pricing of your products reflect that

[drowsy plaza]

I would like to be making six figures a year one day, and I dont watn to support sellers who think im a target for extortion once I achieve that. if you feel your product is 150 dollars worth then just charge 150 dollars with price parity. jacking up prices for specific groups is discriminatory and never looks good.

I dont think you believe your product is actually worth 150 dollars if you are giving it out for 30 bucks to the majority of fab users.

as ctrl pointed out above, most users on fab are not ubisoft, they are your hobbiest making games for fun or a ma and pa indie studio whose trying to start up their business

[flat island]

ok, I will consider keeping these prices close to each other

[drowsy plaza]

give it a try for 30 days, if sales dont improve then I guess you can go back to the vastly different pricing. I wasnt selling anything until I fixed my pricing

[flat island]

Also, look at it this way: there are many people earning less than $100k a year. As a customer, seeing this price discrepancy, I would consider $30 a bargain. 🙂

[fossil dune]

if you feel your product is $150, charge 150.
Professional tier sales still happen for me even at x2.

Try $75 on the personal and leave the pro at $150

If you have to undercharge then probably the market is deciding the price of that product.
Play with the price a bit.

Fluid Flax is$349 personal and $999 Pro.
I don’t see any issues with this and i believe he’s getting Pro sales even at $1000 a piece

If the product is worth $1000 charge a thousand

[flat island]

Exactly

[flat island]

@drowsy plaza

also a large price difference

;p

and I think 1500 for such a system is ok

300 dollars is a bargain for hobbyists

[drowsy plaza]

you and laura are the only ones my man

thats the price of a 65 inch high end OLED tv

[fossil dune]

Assuming the $1500 asset (investment) is going to help you generate income, doesn’t it make more sense since the 65 inch will just depreciate

[untold bay]

Ideally the licensing would reflect that assets are:

• For hobbyists, a creative tool and source of entertainment
• For commercial developers, an investment in future revenue

[flat island]

1500 dollars for 4-8 months of a person's work is about right. Because I assume that's roughly how much time he might have dedicated to this system.

[untold bay]

The hit-driven nature of games means you often don't know before making your investment whether it's going to pay off. That's the hard part about up-front asset pricing. There just isn't a model right now which rewards asset developers for the revenue they indirectly generate

[drowsy plaza]

walmart should just charge 3 grand for a stick of butter then since you have to account for their distribution networks, manufacturing plants, the farming, employees, and rent.

Thats not how you price products that sell more than one unit.

[untold bay]

Unreal/Steam get that via the royalties. But understandably that model hasn't been extended to assets. So the two-tiered license is Epic's best attempt (so far) at rectifying this

[flat island]

yes, you can also lower the price because you sell it to many people,
not just one

[fossil dune]

Unless walmart is producing butter, i don't think the producers of the butter would be too happy if Walmart made their product look more expensive than it is... If that was my butter i'd pull it out of walmart and just go with another retailer

[flat island]

I agree

then it is an even greater opportunity for hobbyists and large corporations 😄

[drowsy plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-really-really-close-alex-boye-nearly-there-almost-there-just-a-little-more-gif-18036363

[flat island]

I know what you mean

Only, a stick of butter is practically for everyone, while systems and the like are for a very limited audience. There are many factors influencing the price in this industry.

Before making a purchase, I always consider how much time I can save.

[fossil dune]

https://tenor.com/view/jenn-jenn-robbins-pink-this-this-this-gif-17150214

[flat island]

https://tenor.com/view/gym-life-gif-24948718

okay, I'm going to the gym

[zealous spire]

Don't miss the new batch of free assets today, everyone. #unreal-news message

They're only up for 2 weeks now.

[tawny hinge]

might want to add to it that people should pick the professional license

as it defaults to personal apparently it doesn't matter, sorry

[tranquil sentinel]

Been looking for stuff on that everywhere but cant find anything on it.

[drowsy plaza]

It doesn’t really matter, the license is only applied at time of purchase

[undone valve]

Just add every license

[tawny hinge]

seems like that's correct, shows professional for last weeks stuff for me

[undone valve]

Why is a product that contains such scam on the home page?

[tranquil sentinel]

Does anyone have any info as to whether or not (and when) the black friday sales will happen? If at all

[undone valve]

Us sellers cant provide that as stated in the Epic Games email we received.

Lets talk about wheather: I heard the 25th will be a warm sunny day 😄

[tranquil sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/joesph-sikora-gif-25055817

[tepid niche]

what do you guys think about EasyRain/EasySnow/EasyFog are they worth?

Also how are they for games?

[undone valve]

I just stumbled across these products too. Never used them but they at least look very good

[tepid niche]

Yea they look good and having fog/snow/rain out of one hand might be a cool thing, espeically since they look good.

But Ultra Dynamic Sky also has rain and snow right?

[drowsy plaza]

What’s weird is the posted it on the forums then later took it down

[drowsy plaza]

I know it has rain but idk about snow. I’m pretty sure easy fog is just fog cards but volumetric fog would be better and is built into unreal

[tepid niche]

ok thats good to know! 🙂

A full weather system is included, Ultra Dynamic Weather, which adds rain, snow, lightning, and more to your scene in seconds.
Thats from the fab page

But I'm not sure this was a separate plugin before i think

I still dont have UDS now but I think this is a must get

[tardy charm]

While this is a little trashy, I do think the implication is that they're checking if people actually want/enjoy this pack so they know if they should keep improving this one or work on the next one. Like they don't really want to add more content to a thing that people don't really want or might not really see since it's already fleshed out enough to meet their basic standards.

Not that I like this way of doing it, I just think that is the reason

[drowsy plaza]

My only gripe with UDS is you are kinda stuck with its lighting solution. If you use most its features it worth it though, I use it for a day night cycle which would be difficult to do right without it

It would be nice if the creator of UDS makes alternate versions of the actor with modular parts

[tardy charm]

UDS is one of those things I feel like is gonna be horrible to split into modular parts now with how huge it is already

[flat island]

Hi @drowsy plaza I’ve thought about your approach, and I think there’s some truth to it. Tomorrow, I’ll adjust the prices to make them fairer 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

I’m happy to hear that, your customers will thank you for making it more fair for them. Price parity has worked really well for me, I sell pretty much everyday on fab because of it

Usually multiple products a day

[meager dust]

indeed

[vale prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/live/GriPX0OK1t0

Scheduled for friday

(which is weird, they usually do that on thursdays)

[dim fable]

They're going to announce improvements to fab but only if people post glowing reviews

[drowsy plaza]

That’s my easy day when I just make content so that works out for me

I hope the roadmap has estimated dates and not just “soonish”. “Near future” and “future”

[vale prawn]

I mean at this point, we should know better than expect any meaningful date estimates from Epic

[undone valve]

I would never buy such a product. Especially since the seller most of the time never reaches a decent amount of reviews

[meager dust]

oh me neither, I wouldn't buy anything off the "promise" of additional features

you buy on what it is, not what it will (ideally) be

[undone valve]

100% true. The seller is trying so make their product sound better than it actually is

[meager dust]

and who's really keeping them to account? what if these features aren't delivered in the timeframe even if the review thresholds were met?

just another attempt at review manipulation like 5 stars for support

I like how the timeline is so far in the future, by the time it's supposed to get any of those features, you've probably forgotten about it anyway

[untold bay]

Something I appreciate in Sky Creator is that you can individually enable/disable each feature if you want to roll your own

[errant wind]

Hello how do I download the Game Animation sample project from Fab?
The link they have doesn't work 🫤

finally it worked 😮‍💨

[untold bay]

A simple section near the top with each of [x] Enable Directional Light [x] Enable Sky Light etc

[undone valve]

Thats why we need a seller blacklist so everyone can hide sellers they dont like

[untold bay]

also why we need seller names in the search results

[drowsy plaza]

The James guy at epic said they are planning to add seller info to thumbnails even when you don’t hover over them in the future

[tawny hinge]

yea don't trust promises... even @fleet garnet didn't deliver the promised 3 extra levels

[fleet garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-kitty-drinks-drinking-day-chill-gif-16669162

[proper dew]

I dont know why but i feel like they are gonna announce some amazing new quixel stuff and it will be released after the end of the year, which means we have to pay for it.

[drowsy plaza]

That was the plan from the start, they never hid that. The reason they went paid was so they could add new stuff to quixel without operating at a loss

We are lucky they let us redeem what they already had

[proper dew]

Yeah I know. Its just that i feel like its gonna be some type of must have assets which you cant find anywhere else.

But lets just wait and see. As long as its not overpriced like other assets on fab, i guess its fine.

[drowsy plaza]

I want to see them do more full foliage assets

[proper dew]

What do you mean by full foliage?

[drowsy plaza]

like full trees and palnts not just atlases or dead tree trunks on their side

[proper dew]

Oh yeah, that would be cool. Especially trees. But game-ready ones, not 8k 10 million polygons cinematic only ones.

[drowsy plaza]

yeah

[oblique minnow]

is selling on fab worth it

rn

[drowsy plaza]

For me it is, I sell almost everyday now, first week was rough though

[echo egret]

Hello Sourcers. I have a doubt about licenses for the assets Epic is giving free monthly. Might sound silly to ask but here is the thing... I'm just a solo dev with no income whatsoever yet so I was simply getting the Personal version of those assets, I felt it natural to do so but one of the assets this month has a Professional and an UEFN Reference Only version, which is definitely a 3rd type of license I presume, so that raised a doubt in me... can I buy a professional license even if I don't match the criteria of a professional licence or should i stick with Personal when applicable? I hope in a feedback on this matter. Thanks in advance. Cheers!

[undone estuary]

you can think of the personal tier as the discount tier. you get a discount if you dont generate enough revenue. Epic really could have made things a little more user friendly a. License Tiers. Content may be offered at different license tiers, and before completing a Transaction you may be required to select between a Personal - Reference Only tier, a Personal tier, and a Professional tier (each a "License Tier"). You are only eligible for a Personal - Reference Only tier or Personal tier if, at the time of the Transaction you, together with any controlling entity and other entities under common control with you, have not generated more than $100,000 USD in gross revenue from your commercial activity in the digital content industry in the last 12 months. For purposes of this calculation, revenue includes any advances received or other funds raised. If you complete a Transaction for a License Tier you were not eligible for at the time of purchase, you must, upon request, pay Epic the remainder of what you would have owed had you purchased a License Tier you were eligible for.

since you have to pay epic if you do manage to make enough, it seems smarter to get the professional one if its free. you can also YOLO and just get both

[oblique minnow]

alr is it okay if i dm a bit more questions

[drowsy plaza]

Sure

[oblique minnow]

alr

[untold bay]

Personal tier if, at the time of the Transaction
once you have the license, you have the license
so AFAIK it doesn't matter which one you get as long as you were eligible to get it at the time

[undone estuary]

yep I read it poorly, its if you didnt do it right you owe them. Reading ability seems to be going away as I get older lol

[untold bay]

you stand alongside hundreds of thousands of people who came away with the same impression. it was poorly communicated.

[kindred sonnet]

Is there a Vault Cache for plugins before they get installed into a project? I've got a plugin that the author updated to 5.5 but my launcher isn't registering it as eligible to install into 5.5. I've resynced it and restarted it a few times. Deleted the normal vault cache and the launcher web cache. Even verified the 5.5 install. Other supported plugins have been installing fine.

For "Complete Projects" and regular asset packs removing local files/from vault cache and redownloading has fixed it. This feels like a cache issue like these.

The problem I'm seeing here is that plugins aren't stored in the vault cache and are likely saved somewhere different.

[gentle light]

why fab is not working.. its only on me?

there is maintenance or smumnth?

[worldly flower]

"FAB Demo" !?
Any idea what this means?

Maybe Epic finally decided, that FAB isn't stable, finished or nearly working as intended?

[undone estuary]

it means they will show us how fab works, give us an idea of how much stuff they have planned that wont work on first release, and then ignore any of the complaints to fix it. also a special demo of new expensive quixel assets.

[fresh sphinx]

First time I see someone list their professional tier lower than their personal tier

[gritty stream]

I have seen personal paid and proffesional free

[cursive chasm]

i swear if the Fab plugin is causing my ios cook errors.

[worldly flower]

not only for ios cook..

[cursive chasm]

and its not in all projects either.

[ebon kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[pliant shard]

I'm bored with fab

[green seal]

UDS Has rain and Snow, yes. But EasyRain and EasySnow are dedicated tools that offer a lot more granular control over the look and positioning. UDS is a great tool, I use it myself all the time. Though it has its limitations with the weather stuff. That's why I made these tools, gives the artist a lot more control more easily. It's normal for a dedicated tool to look better/more control, compared to a tool that does "everything' if that makes sense?

[echo egret]

Thanks for the feedback. Epic is definitely not clear with this. From what you showed up there it doesn't found smart buying a professional license if I'm not matching such tier, but maybe I'm understanding the whole thing wrong.

[green seal]

EasyRain works great for games. EasySnow has two blueprints, one for cinematics, one for realtime/games.

[echo egret]

Before the official launch I publicly expressed {even right here} my concern about prices going up and off the roof, in worse scenario, even going completely outta control becoming not-solo-devs' friendly. When I look at some assets almost touching the 1k I feel all my concerns had substance! I've had a decades long creative career {even refusing work I felt wasn't gonna be paid as much as the real value of my projects} so I understand and value people's work more than ever so I'm not complaining, I'm just praising for more variety and, in genera, about keeping Unreal Engine the fair opportunity for even the solo dev or the start-up studio to become successful. Right now, when I look at FAB I feel that mood is changing and I still hope I'm actually wrong.

[green seal]

It sounds like your concern is more with the creators charging huge prices, and less with Epic themselves. I do think the 100k limit is a bit of a low threshold, but it is up to the seller to decide what their product is worth. As a seller myself I am glad there is studio/professional pricing, because it was honestly a bit ridiculous that a studio can buy a cheap asset, and use it inhouse by hundreds of people as a result. It's not an ideal setup right now but it is definitely a step in the right direction. No one is forcing anyone to buy those extremely expensive assets, and I'm glad creators are charging what they feel their time is worth.

Sure, thousands of dollars for a tool might seem expensive, and I'm sure some sellers are way way overcharging.

Just my 2 cents.

[undone valve]

Hey William. You create great videos. Keep it up!

[untold bay]

You are correct. Once you have the license your future revenue doesn't matter. So there's no impetus to buy a pro license.
This has been (and still is) communicated poorly because every day I see multiple people confused.

If one person is confused: They should have read more closely
If tens of thousands of people are confused: It should have been communicated better

The root of the problem is that it's structured as two licenses rather than just two prices. People expect different licenses to have different benefits.

[green seal]

It's just a license tier isn't it? Isnt that how software licenses usually work. Higher tier based on revenue, software licenses work this way. Maya indie vs. professional license

It's not some new thing, unless I am misunderstanding what you mean?

[untold bay]

Maybe I'm more used to saas pricing, where larger orgs have to pay more (per seat, etc) but also receive more benefits

[fossil dune]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-exactly-how-i-feel-austin-dickey-the-dickeydines-show-this-is-just-how-i-feel-this-is-exactly-how-i-am-feeling-gif-7901848176277941823

[hollow basin]

I got the email about [redacted] and it also clarifies the rules/reason for not allowing consecutive sales: "The above rules are aimed at boosting pricing transparency for consumers on Fab following various pricing laws, including the EU Price Indication Directive." Weirdly you all got the email before me last time and now I feel like I am one of the first to get this one

[hollow basin]

Totally agree. Since I know you are one of the biggest unreal engine names on youtube, I am curious if you are flooded with people asking for support everytime you publish a product especially those who are now forced to buy the studio/professional license, and are asking questions on behalf of everyone in a studio

[tepid niche]

Makes totally sense, would you say that easy rain and easy snow work well with UDS together?

I kind of like the idea of using them together, to get the best out of every world.

Btw. really cool to get a response from the author himself! 😊

[cursive chasm]

I still feel like a per seat deal would of been better overall.

There was several times I had to buy 4-5 copies of a single unity asset for my team. No stress on worrying about revenue/whatever.

[tepid niche]

Cool, because I read somewhere that it's quite performance heavy, but if there is dedicated BPs for that that's awesome, I think the same goes for Easy Fog right?

and thanks for the response! 🙂

[drowsy plaza]

the EU sucks, their government hates businesses

thats why we cant do the black friday and holiday sale for the same products

[tepid niche]

But I think at some point there where products that where on sale all the time.
This kind of creates a urgency just so you opt to buy it.

But is there sales at all?

[drowsy plaza]

consumers should be smart enough to notice when stores do that, I remember a clothing store called kohls did that and I noticed it at 10 years old.

Blanket regulations ALWAYS harm small businesses

[cursive chasm]

Its a free market. There are retail stores that are always “going out of business” that run sales like that. It’s w/e.

[tepid niche]

How should I be smart enough, looking at the sales and seeing a sale, I assume that's an opportunity to get it at a good price.

[tardy patrol]

just saying do not buy anything from fab at the moment

the refund is simply scam

and somehow the sellers are able to change price after you press purchase

we bought a couple of assets which were triple the price after pressing purchase

[tepid niche]

Yea and it's a really cheap trick, to create urgency, that is forbidden for a reason.
Mobile games did that heavily for a long time.

[drowsy plaza]

you should be able to have pattern recognition, if you constantly see a product on sale everyday of the year then its obvious thats not actually a real sale. if its your first time seeing the product then it doesnt matter

[tardy patrol]

we couldnt refund them because epic games fab support asked us to contact the seller which we did and seller is ignoring

and the assest in question were ass

[tepid niche]

Sure it does ... 😅

[drowsy plaza]

why does it matter if its your first and likely only time seeing that on sale?

[tardy patrol]

do not buy anything from the fab store guys

[tepid niche]

Because otherwise I might not buy it at all

[tardy patrol]

the refund policy doesnt work

and the seller is able to charge you more than what is on the agreement

i dont even know how they allow this

[cursive chasm]

Synty is always having sales regularly. I should never buy their products because I know the next big sale is around the corner.

[tepid niche]

It is just manipulating people to get money under under false pretenses.

[drowsy plaza]

you shouldnt be buying stuff you dont need just because its half off, thats called mindless consumerism

[tepid niche]

You are completely missing the point rn

[cursive chasm]

No, you are trying to sell us on some weird economic model.

[tepid niche]

I'm telling you why the EU is regulating it

and you should be able to understand, that this is to protect the customers.

ofc you as a seller won't like that ^^

[cursive chasm]

That is your opinion.

[tepid niche]

it's not an opinion

but all good

[cursive chasm]

😄

[drowsy plaza]

as a consumer i dont like it, EU customers get less features than other countries on lots of products because their government wants to pretend its superman

the EU needs DOGE

[tepid niche]

more credit card debt for the EU you say? 🤣

[drowsy plaza]

honestly that sounds like a good idea, if the EU wants to regulate the world then we should offset our debt onto them.

[undone valve]

What doesn’t work? If you downloaded it it’s the sellers decision whether he refunds you the product.

[undone valve]

You probably selected the professional license instead of the personal one

[hollow basin]

Professional license was probably selected, otherwise you are the unluckiest customer with the seller just coincidentally changing the price as you were buying. As a seller we have no way of a bait and switch or knowledge of when people will buy products

[hollow basin]

I can't speak to how effective the refund team is but it is my understanding that if the seller doesn't respond for 1-2 weeks you can override the refund process and the fab team can do it directly

They hold on to our revenue for an entire month for that purpose

[drowsy plaza]

Epic wasnt kidding when they said virtual shadow maps with everything using nanite provides the best results for performance. I just converted everything in my scene to nanite since it supports almost everything now and enabled virtual shadow maps and saw a 20fps bump

now my scene is above 60fps on target hardware(around ps5 level)

now UE 5.6 or 5.7 just needs to make chaos physics multithreaded and have better performance

physics actors are the big issue with in game performance since I have to use them for traffic

its crazy how far unreal 5 has come, I remember nanite was extremely limited and had major performance pitfalls in 5.0

[karmic nacelle]

Do we know if fab is going to have a black Friday sale?

[drowsy plaza]

yes it will, we cant share the dates as sellers but keep an eye out in the very near future

[plush matrix]

QQ: If I buy a professional license of an asset, but my game is horrible and nobody buys it and im a solo dev, is this technically my game being in breach of the standard professional license terms? Because it clearly outlines revenue threshold and team size

Like I just dont wanna buy two licenses and figured the pro one would usually cover me top-down

A-la

[drowsy plaza]

you are misundestanding how this works, its done at time of transcation. if you dont make 100k a year then buy the personal, the seller cant retroactively ask for money from you after time of purchase

[plush matrix]

Wdym? Would I not be accountable to reimburse the seller if i go from 0 revenue (present) to millionaire cause my game sold well?

Am I being just incredibly altruistic in my future plans lmao

[hollow basin]

You don't have to purchase the professional tier if you make more than 100k after purchase. It's only if you are currently making more than 100k

[plush matrix]

I see. Well that’s good to know.

Funnily enough the lad who sells that plugin conveniently priced both licenses at fifteen bucks so this is pretty much a coin toss

[hollow sandal]

Same problem. Fab is completely broken.

[hollow basin]

Better to just buy professional if both are the same price

[drowsy plaza]

No, it’s calculated at time of purchase. You are not gonna be held accountable in the future for purchases you made in the past

Also I recommend against crediting asset makers in your game, it just makes you look like you took a bunch of shortcuts in the eyes of a gamer. It’s not a requirement on fab to credit makers and I personally as a seller would prefer you not credit me for two reasons 1. Gamers don’t buy assets so no extra sales come from it 2. If your game is bad some gamer might blame me and review bomb my product.

[plush matrix]

That’s actually an incredibly useful bit of info. I always thought that (perhaps erroneously) that folks love getting credit for stuff. Kinda like when you use someone’s art on a website and credit them. So originally thought about including credits for all the plugins I was using. But you raise some very valid points.

I just didn’t wanna seem like a scumbag.

I suppose to offset this I could always reach out to those folks and do a dono via PayPal or something to show appreciation if their plugins are free.

[drowsy plaza]

If you want to credit asset makers just ask them first, imagine if the day before credited their assets that would be horrible PR for the sellers of those assets. People found out through data mining but not everyone saw those posts exposing them

We get paid when you purchase the assets so what you do with them afterwards is your prerogative. Home Depot doesn’t ask to be credited when a lawn company uses a mower bought from them, that’s how i see it at least

[plush matrix]

That’s fair

[green seal]

No fortunately not! I think my tools are so simple to begin with, and I like to think they are documented well enough that people usually figure it out. I'll get random emails from extreme beginners who don't understand something basic sometimes but for the most part, support has been fairly minimal, thankfully

[green seal]

How is it a scam? Their refund policy is the same as it was on the original marketplace. Refunds on digital products are not subject to the same refund laws as other fungible items. You have 14 days for a refund, but if you claim that download, you waive your right for a refund, which is why you need to contact the seller directly. This is pretty much the case everywhere, even in the EU which has the strictest consumer protection laws. Otherwise it opens it up to far too much abuse. People buying digital items, downloading them, and claiming a refund while still having the download. This is nothing new to FAB. Not sure why the pitchforks are coming out about this.

It is different on something like Steam, where you buy the game, you can get a refund. But then you don't have access to the game anymore when you do. And even then, you can't have played longer than X amount of hours. That is not the case with assets you download. Once downloaded they are locally stored, no way to "give it back" so to speak.

[tepid niche]

I'm thinking so much about getting UDS and the Easy Fog/Rain/Snow rn 😅

[drowsy plaza]

Technically on steam you still have an access to the game files through windows explorer after refunding, usually only AAA studios will setup some form of ownership verification. 99% of indie games you can buy, refund, and play for free. It’s scummy but you can do it

I had my game pirated on launch so I now enforce ownership verification through the platform SDK(except on ps5, they don’t have piracy issues)

[green seal]

You do lose your license to play the game though, which is technically piracy

[drowsy plaza]

True but there is no way for anyone to verify what’s on your local storage device so most people who would do that don’t care.

Pirates get caught in the act of downloading usually

[green seal]

Not really the point I was getting at. Fact remains, refunds on digital items is pretty well defined by law. And expecting to be able to get a refund after downloading is a bit silly. Here's how it is for EU Law:

Anyone saying that fab is a scam because of their refund policy doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on

And for those saying EU is anti-business, you should be in favor of this as a small business

[drowsy plaza]

Yeah I agree with you on that, PlayStation had the same policy. Refund available for 14 days until you download it and play then it can’t be refunded. I think that’s fair

[green seal]

100%

[drowsy plaza]

I’m one of those people, if they won’t apply it unilaterally then it doesn’t help me. If steam can let you demo indie games for free even when a demo isn’t provided then it’s not unilaterally applied.

I’m against all forms of government regulation even if it will benefit me personally with the exceptions of rules against violence like murder laws, theft, etc.

Epic games store is at fault for the risk free demo policy too

With most indie games being between 1-5 hours long it primarily hurts them, AAA studios have the budget to cram in 10s of hours of content into the game

[green seal]

I'm not familiar with the demo policy and its relation to the EU? That is another topic of discussion here

[drowsy plaza]

I call it a risk free demo policy but I’m referring to the “play for half the games length then return it for literally any reason under the sun” basically make it a mandated demo policy. Oddly enough epic games store users don’t really use it this way but steam users do

[green seal]

Is that a EU thing? I feel like Steam has had that policy forever, more of a platform policy than a continental one.

Because the EU states no refunds if the game/digital download has been claimed. Steam is just being benevolent. ( I dont actually know, havent looked into anything about that topic before)

[nocturne panther]

Hey William, I have a question, Sorry,it's not related to this topic, do you work as a freelancer now or you own a company?

[green seal]

Running my own business

[drowsy plaza]

I don’t remember the exact reason but I remember them getting in trouble for having no refund policy and it being a controversy. I’m not against refunds, I’m against refunds disguised as mandated demo policies. I should not be able to buy a pair of jeans, wear them for a few months, then bring them back and get a refund just because I got bored of their look. Exceptions like poor performance if the recommend specs lie are fair but “I got bored” or “I don’t like it” isn’t fair reasons.

[green seal]

Oh 100%. I definitely agree with you. Anything digital should not be able to be returned IMO. You buy a pair of new shoes, even if you just wore them outside one time, if there's a scuff, the store won't accept the return.

Yes it SUCKS if you bought an asset on fab, and it turned out to be not what you wanted, or it left you disappointed. You have the asset now, it is up to the buyer to do their due diligence beforehand. I've been there before, paid good money for something only to feel let down.

[drowsy plaza]

I’m glad we can agree on that, there are exceptions for sure. I’ve played games that say they recommend a 2070 GPU(which I have) but the game has major issues with that hardware(looking at you starfield). That kind of thing mandates a refund or constant crashes that hinder progression/product use

[green seal]

Which is why I think it is great that you can contact the seller to express your discontent. Usually most sellers will be understanding and give you the refund anyway. I have done it plenty of times when someone has shown disappointment.