hardware

[median marsh]

maybe some households in that area where also connected, not sure

[golden dirge]

Ah fair, remember some BnB hosts mentioning that to me in Sweden and Norway. Not sure if one was joking but he said the heat comes from in-building server hosting? Sounds funky

[median marsh]

quite possible

[golden dirge]

So that's the secret to becoming a pro-gamer. Colocate with your games servers 🤔🤔🤔

[agile lodge]

i have think custom rads for window

[devout pendant]

There's also the rumoured series 4000 but it will probably be pushed back more.

Bummer, i5 doesn't support 3060. I need to use an i7.

[fallen oasis]

"i5 doesn't support 3060" ?

[devout pendant]

It's weird because the site I'm in seems to reject the premise unless I pump up the power adapter to 230W

Okay so the previous model I was looking at had a max 180W PSU and was providing i5 12500H and i7 12700H which don't draw as much power. I switched to i5 12600 and 3060 with 230W and this config works.

Of course this is just the interface speaking, IRL maybe different and I have little idea about laptop GPUs.

[fallen oasis]

Power spikes be damned.

[median marsh]

neither i would

3060 is rated 170W

i5 probably ~100W?

[devout pendant]

We are talking about the laptop versions, don't those cards work differently from the desktop versions?

Like I currently use a 2070S and Ryzen 7 3700X on a 600W PSU for my desktop (where it should ideally be 750W+ but I hardly experience problems)

also how where would I get a Colemak keyboard?
their discord suggests getting my own keycaps but some keyboards have ergonomic arches and angles making it hard to make uniform keycaps

Yeah, at least for training purposes I could just sharpie in the letters until I get used to it. In the dark, I look at the keyboard at an angle which makes the key prints invisible, meaning functionally I'm using QWERTY blind (I still have to look at the keys sometimes or my fingers mess up positioning after 10s at a time).

Alright, so here are the specs I have taken from PCSPECIALIST:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1H5a4aZCRSSSMnTqU6OWYHnUTom7cKSBI?usp=sharing
TL;DR

• all configs try to balance a 3060
• price never exceeds GBP 1450, incl. VAT
• wherever possible, secondary components such as RAM and SSD have been topped up at the expense of a few dozen pounds.
• no added windows licence and other stuff I can order from Amazon for cheaper

[wind egret]

17.3" 144hz, 12700H, 32GB@3,2ghz, integrated 80Wh battery
15.6" 240hz, 12600, 32GB@3,2ghz, detachable battery (probably ~80Wh)
15.6" 144hz, 12700H, 32GB@2,6ghz, integrated 54Wh bat, memory card reader, "MULTI COLOUR BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD" (the rest have a USA keyboard ???)
one year part warranty

[fallen oasis]

15.6" is so small.

(that's not what she said)

[wind egret]

Interesting that the middle one says it has a 12600 (6p,65-117W)and not a 12600H (4p+8e,45-95W)

[golden dirge]

I'd hate to work on an FHD screen, but I've probably been spoiled by MacBooks and Surface Pros. 15.6" QHD is pretty nice though

[livid gate]

HI guys, I wanna buy a 5 or 10 TB External SSD, any suggestions which brand or else one will be the best to choose to use for long time to keep my game. Thanks

[agile lodge]

some could be on market for GPU right now

[livid gate]

150-250$ or 300$ be also ok

can you elaborate a bit

I mean if you make game, and wanna keep the game files (as its larger in size mostly) how do you keep it, on github-lfs or some external ssd drive

https://serverfault.com/questions/481678/using-raid1-to-assist-in-offsite-backups some negative comment on this

yes, just to keep some project work as backup.

Online suggested SSD over HDD:)

I mean they mentioned SSD is much faster to file transfer etc

so you guys do not use any external Storage right, I mean to backup any of your previous project work.

4SSDs wow, seems 4TB then

haha

perforce thats what they use to source control in ue5 right

I did not used it yet, so less idea so far

sure, I will take a look on that channel for more info

10GB limit on git-lfs

good to know that

I see.

I just checked Apex legends, seems the whole game size was about 56 GB but to play it requires around 80GB storage

I have 1 TB SSD only haha:)

Yes

Mostly battle royale type of game goes around 100-150GB raw one or even more:) no idea tho, just a random guess

[median marsh]

source control != backup

with your budget, i would aim for 2 external disks

2x 4TB should do

and cycle through them with each backup

[livid gate]

total 8TB then

Are you referring HDD

[median marsh]

yea, and if one fails, you still have the backup from before

yes normal HDD, sure takes a bit longer to backup, but with good backup software you can reduce the time

[livid gate]

Thats a good idea tho

[median marsh]

as in, compress backups, and do mostly incremental backups

[livid gate]

what software do you suggest

[median marsh]

rsync

😄

[livid gate]

haha, gotcha

[median marsh]

i cant really give you a advice on windows software

[median marsh]

damn amazon.... 2TB 980pro on sale for ~210€

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B08QJHLC8J

the 970 evo plus is ~30€ cheaper

only benefit of the 980 is more IOPS

which could be good for compiling

[frail pagoda]

when will rtx 5000 series release? :D, im skipping rtx 4000 series

[golden dirge]

At least a month or two after the 4000 series, maybe even longer a wait

[agile lodge]

the RTX 3090 ti was about same price as RTX 3090 on ebay it seems

[median marsh]

yea

[golden dirge]

You'll be fine. RAM would be the only question

[median marsh]

should be all good then

[golden dirge]

Yeah just don't fuck with the Valley of the Ancients project but yeah

[median marsh]

yea

city sample on the other hand... was quite the experience with 3060 😄

but even that works when reducing the quality settings

[golden dirge]

Didn't work too well for me, but it was the dumb GPU disconnected issue. Also ran out of 32GB RAM very fast

[median marsh]

also which version did you use to test it? EA?

[golden dirge]

EA2, with a 10GB 3080

Tried both DX11 and DX12, both crashed as soon as the switchover of worlds was about to happen I think. It was always a particular moment, a few seconds into the demo

Hmm I've gone up in VRAM with the laptop 6800M lol, am now a 12GB boi. Will try, going to download that huge project

[golden dirge]

I remember the 3080 drop like it was yesterday

It dropped at like 23:00, and people putting an order through at like 23:09 were already months back, while people ordering the next day were just told "IDK, eventually maybe" lol

Then the price slowly doubled

Yeah it was the same shit here. Went from like $1400 3080 and $2800 3090, to $2500 3080 and $3000+ 3090.

The over the 3090 changed so quickly when the 3080 almost came to price parity after a few days lol

What wonderous amounts of fuckery we got to experience

Pricing seems a bit... variable here still

I just can't believe GPUs went for borderline double the already greedy MSRP

Yeah. Creep 😛

DW, still not as scary as the peep specifying the number of hours Laura sleeps for hahaha

[devout pendant]

Does this refer to keeping OS and core software on an SSD, Auxiliary software in a larger HDD, and other stuff on an external USB hard drive?

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-itx/masterbox-nr200/#specifications
Is this as portable as it looks? I may want to use my rig in uni classes as well

[north arch]

376 x 185 x 292mm

get out a ruler and see what you think

[wind egret]

Does it have a handle?

[north arch]

remember to add a keyboard. mouse, monitor, and cables

[golden dirge]

No a banana is the only accessory you'd need 🙂

But yeah, if you want to lug something around for uni, please don't get a desktop Jesus

[wind egret]

A desktop with a carrying handle, however...

[golden dirge]

I'm just imagining some cloaked dude running around with a power pack, CRT monitor, small desktop, and taking up 6 desks for his clacky setup

[devout pendant]

how big is the nanner?

[devout pendant]

imma cycle around

[golden dirge]

Bro it's the gold standard in scale, a banana

Yeah get a laptop

[devout pendant]

al-lmao
I'd prefer portable monitors for this

[devout pendant]

nanners are differently sized where I am from
some are tiny, some are like yours (not that one)
and some are huge and red

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1H5a4aZCRSSSMnTqU6OWYHnUTom7cKSBI?usp=sharing
Here's what I have selected so far

[golden dirge]

Does your university not have labs?

[wind egret]

I've always been enticed by NUC-style desktops, but they are all strategically priced to keep me away.

[golden dirge]

90% of the price of a laptop with equivalent specs, with the same level of upgradability often. Just don't see the value prop

Intel's NUC laptops look interesting though, almost grabbed one

[devout pendant]

it does have amazing labs purportedly

[wind egret]

Include the monitor, power and peripherals and the NUC is probably more expensive.

[devout pendant]

yeah my setups don't count peripherals and ergo accessories yet

I'd wager they'd add 100-200 quid more

[golden dirge]

Depends, if you're getting multiple monitors that's more

[devout pendant]

newegg is overpriced affff

[devout pendant]

just one more monitor, perhaps portable

[golden dirge]

I'd get one 1440p ultrawide and not bother with a portable one personally

[wind egret]

NUC laptop looks like it's an ordinary laptop.

[north arch]

what if it's a plantain?

[golden dirge]

Except for the part where it doesn't come with RAM or storage, yeah it's not too different. Most components aren't really user-replaceable in laptops

[devout pendant]

not my style tbh

I'm just happy with 1080p rendering even at 60Hz

[wind egret]

RAM and storage tended to be swappable in most laptops before the "ultrathin" era.

[golden dirge]

I meant it more for uni, ultrawides helped heaps because I could comfortable have 2-3 things tiled and visible

But also for game dev, gotta get those big property inspector windows (and IDE on the side if you're doing that)

[devout pendant]

https://valid.x86.fr/uxd10p
muh current rig from 2020

[golden dirge]

Swappable, but you were chucking money out by replacing things straightaway

[devout pendant]

still need portable
if I settle in the UK I will seriously consider more powerful upgrades

[frail pagoda]

but i have 750W though

[spare flame]

Say hello to my little friend 😛

Built it 2 days ago rivals god himself

[devout pendant]

Nothing RAID like involved here?

Gotcha.

[devout pendant]

https://www.box.co.uk/82JU00PWUK-Lenovo-Legion-5-AMD-Ryzen-7-16GB-RAM-512_4095716.html
some sane people told me this is a good rig, and I agree with them from an AMD-biased pov

just need a RAM and SSD extension each.

SSD: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/kVzkcf/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-512gt-c

RAM: ??

(please ping)

[median marsh]

why would you replace the 512GB ssd with a 512GB ssd?

[golden dirge]

Probably adding one, I added 1TB to my 512GB one

But yeah, I would go for 1-2TB if you're adding storage, if there's any chance of running out of 1TB total. UE is great at taking up all the storage 🙂

[cinder latch]

lmao moores law is dead

isn't the whole channel about rumors that are only sometimes true?

[golden dirge]

Yeah he's the tech version of a fortune telling wizard.

He does know his shit, but it's mostly speculation.

[fallen oasis]

Victory? Is Rama working at Nvidia now?

[north arch]

hopium or hypium?

[wind egret]

Hypium for 10gb cards in 2022. Hrm.

[soft bloom]

sup. i've got a 10700k. is a 12700k worth it?

or an intel core i9 12900k?

[wind egret]

How much faster does it need to be to be worth it?

[soft bloom]

i mean, with 16 cores it'd be doubly fast

i have 8 cores

(32 logical)

[wind egret]

throw in some ddr5 for fun

it's 24 (8x2 + 8x1) logical for the 12900k

[serene dome]

Hyper-threaded cores are like 1.1x-1.6x of a physical core depending on the work.

so even if it had 32 logical, it wouldn't be 2x as fast as a 16 logical one (in terms of the Alder Lake series)

[soft bloom]

i still got it

[wind egret]

There's going to have be a LOT of GPUs for a 3070 to hit $300. Even though the 3070 is probably the second worst value after the 3070 Ti.

[devout pendant]

Even a 12th gen i5 outperforms 10th gen i7s, and matches with 11th gen i7s. Imagine what a 12th gen i7 can do.

[devout pendant]

adding

[soft bloom]

i got the i9

it was on sale

[devout pendant]

Idk if it was a good take but if it works for you it's good!

[devout pendant]

PLEASE PING
any help is appreciated!

[frail pagoda]

3200 mhz is enough actually for DDR4

Just get a cl14 ram if you can

With samsung b die

[golden dirge]

Did you mean 12900k? Either way, they're not all the same cores anymore, usually. 12700K is 8+4, while 12900K is 8+8

This place has some relevant benchmarks, does seem like a decent upgrade for MT workloads especially. Keep in mind it's 24 threads (2*8 + 8), as the e-cores do not support hyperthreading.
https://versus.com/en/intel-core-i7-10700k-vs-intel-core-i7-12700k-vs-intel-core-i9-12900k

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-12th-gen/7.html

[kind shore]

Are there some kind of benchmarks as to how e.g. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X handles source builds ?
Like currently with my Ryzen 5 2600 it would take the whole night

[golden dirge]

The last one I linked actually does have the 5950X, but very well

[serene dome]

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Unreal-Engine-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1967/

[kind shore]

That's great, thanks 😄

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X it is then once i upgrade my CPU

[golden dirge]

This place has a whole lot of compilation benches too, 5950X is frequently at the top
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-12600k-12900k&num=6

[golden dirge]

If money isn't an issue, Zen 4 may be coming out soon too.

[kind shore]

Kinda is as i'd also need a new MB and possibly new RAM which is DDR5 😅

[golden dirge]

In that case, right before the next CPUs come out the previous ones see a good discount usually 🙂

[kind shore]

Wouldn't say no to a good discount as i've bought a 6700 xt like 4 days ago which replaced my 960 😹

[devout pendant]

CL14? B die? Are these parameters available when I order on some UK shopping site like box.co.uk?

[serene dome]

CL14 is a memory timings specification (CL = CAS Latency and is usually the first number and should be displayed). Samsung B-die is a manufacturing specification and is harder to narrow down

[devout pendant]

Yep, I think I understand CAS Latency. So obviously I must first get a Legion 5 in my hands and then I can run CPU-Z or something to find the exact specs I need.

This won't be important for the SSD so I'll just go for a budget but effective option such as ADATA.

[golden dirge]

If it's a laptop, give up on RAM lol. It's all pretty average

[devout pendant]

idc -- I need a laptop, I just need something that fits with the specs on board

[golden dirge]

Yeah, I'm just saying I don't think B-Die is a common thing in laptops, and laptop RAM compatibility is pretty tricky anyway

As long as your RAM is not actively horrid, it makes minimal differences in most workflows

[devout pendant]

I need to know exactly what will fit, so CL14 is important

[golden dirge]

How is CL14 important? At what speed?

B-die on desktops is like 3200 CL14 or 3600 CL16 (with tight secondary timings too). You don't normally find those timings in SODIMMs, and definitely not for a reasonable price.

[soft bloom]

Yeah I got the 12900k and thats the one I was thinking of

[wind egret]

I thought the only reason B-die was popular was because it was stable when overclocking to 4000mhz back when that was uncommon.

[serene dome]

In comparison to Samsung's other memory die designs and other manufacturers' memory die designs, Samsung's B-Die design is known for its ability to overclock, whether that means a lower memory speed with tight timings, a higher memory speed with loose timings, or anything between. This ability to overclock has been known (at least in the overclocking crowd) since DDR3 was still popular and used. It's popularity exploded when AMD released their Ryzen brand of CPUs due to the architecture's use of Infinity Fabric, which made their CPUs reliant on fast memory to reach their "full potential".

[frail pagoda]

tbh 3200 MHz CL16 is enough, it's not really a big deal unless you're using 4000MHz speed and above. maybe getting a 2TB NVMe will surely decent for you

[dusty zenith]

3600Mhz do me fine

[devout pendant]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ovCJWTW4RBsIxyBRGlkMHjc6MTqBREbfXiDVxz3fcTQ/edit?usp=sharing
This is my verdict

[opaque ridge]

Would i be able to run ue5 on these specs?
.
Processor Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU 5405U @ 2.30GHz 2.30 GHz
Installed RAM 4.00 GB (3.88 GB usable)
System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display
.
I looked on google and it said that i could do something in ue5 so that it would be possible for me to use 4gb ram and it still run just fine?

[vivid skiff]

Will it run at all? Probably.
Will it be useable? No.

[opaque ridge]

What about if I have 8gb ram because I'm getting extra ram in November for my birthday

[opaque pond]

no

[opaque pond]

wont help that much

[opaque ridge]

I just bought 2tb portable hdd to store ue5 on. Atleast it's a hdd so I can use it forever so it's not a waste because I can use that hdd for my whole life

[opaque pond]

i feel that with that setup you are even gonna struggle on an empty scene

[opaque ridge]

What about ue4

[opaque pond]

its going to be a bit better but still nowhere optimal

[opaque ridge]

It's just because I struggle with unity and I wanna try unreal engine and because there is the visual code with enreal engine that will help me a lot with making games

[opaque pond]

like this is the type of computer that epic has provided to be the typical for developing games

[vivid skiff]

You'll need at least 16 GB of RAM for optimal development experience.
8 GB is a bit better than 4 GB but it's still a bottleneck, especially if you have handful of background apps

[opaque pond]

you can of course make games with lower spec'd hardware but your hardware is simply "chaotic" compared to this

[vivid skiff]

Consider that Windows 10 took up 2 GB of RAM in idle, with barely any background apps

[opaque ridge]

I don't use windows 10

[vivid skiff]

Windows 11?

[opaque ridge]

Yes

[vivid skiff]

It's pretty much Windows 10, but slightly worse (depending on who you ask)

[opaque ridge]

I prefer 11

[fallen oasis]

Somebody has to.

[vivid skiff]

Also forgot to mention about that Pentium CPU...

[opaque ridge]

No I didn't mean that my laptop struggles to run unity, I mean I struggle to get the hang of using unity. It runs perfectly fine without any problems it's just I wanna try unreal engine now

[opaque ridge]

?

[opaque pond]

ye

the cpu is bad but could be somewhat doable

your graphics card tho...

is abysmal

[vivid skiff]

Good luck compiling anything with that CPU.

[opaque ridge]

Whats startallback

[opaque ridge]

For me Windows 11 makes things look tidier and I like to have things tidy and simple

[fallen oasis]

Startallback?

[vivid skiff]

The fact that they didn't fix issue where dragging file to an icon in taskbar to bring it up is baffling

Old habits die hard

[fallen oasis]

So makes w11 into w10 again.

Good OS, rated 11/10.

Damn noobs with their horizontal superbars.

[vivid skiff]

Ubuntu's Unity was good with vertical taskbar tbh

[errant peak]

Anyone know if it is worth trying to get an old Android phone repaired? Mine locked up yesterday and now I can't get it to turn back on. Windows recognizes it as a defective USB device and ADB can't find it when I have it plugged in.

Yeah guess I'll have to talk to some local repair shops to see if it is worth it

I have a Pixel 4 XL, and it was plenty sufficient for my needs

Don't really want to pay $600+ for a new phone

My guess is it's $200 minimum for repair. It's clearly not just a battery or broken screen issue

I'm guessing the mainboard fried somehow.

[median marsh]

you can get a good new phone <$200

something like samsung j6/7

[spare flame]

I wanna buy a 4tb m.2 for unreal & gaming but idk what one I should get

My budget is no greater than $300usd

(I could also get 2 2tb m.2's if that's cheaper) cos my mb has 3 m.2 slots

[frail pagoda]

a xiaomi phone might be a better option

[median marsh]

idk man, samsung produces displays, and all kind of chips, they pretty sure know what they are doing

[zinc ingot]

This PC costs 1200 eur atm, PC Intel Core i7 10700F Comet Lake 4.8 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB, RAM 32GB DDR4, SSD 1000GB+ HDD 2TB It is outdated or still good?

CPU was launched in 2020 april, I googled it. Intel CPU 10th generation.

[zinc ingot]

Thx for answer!

[frail pagoda]

well i'd like to tell you, yes they do but at lower class handphone they're barely uncomfortable

Well the context is out of box so, we shouldnt talk about phone here

[frail pagoda]

It's a pc hardware

Yeah idk if its out of box or not

If its not @errant peak i'd advise you to buy redmi note 10s

It's great

[median marsh]

i'm using an samsung j5 2016 for quite a few years now, and can't complain

and now the entry level most likely got better specs than at this time...

but i'm not a power user

[brazen salmon]

Has anyone used Color E-Ink tablets? Are they any good? 🤔 Reviews seem to suggest no, but also yes, and it's like.. which is it lol

(I don't care for any other features besides how well they function as an e-reader)

[idle elk]

would 32gb 3600mhz ram do its job for ue5

nothing big just getting into it

[golden dirge]

Yes, should be good unless you plan on doing massive scenes and the likes

You may need more after a while, so if it's upgradeable it's even better, but 32GB RAM is definitely enough to start with

[idle elk]

yeah im looking to buy a 2x16 kit as for now

and upgrade it in the future

64 gets kind of expensive

[sinful flicker]

anyone can recommend me a laptop that can run UE5 without problem? my budget is $2000

[fallen oasis]

You'd be hard pushed to get a decent enough desktop for that for UE

[golden dirge]

I got this one for around that much, and it goes pretty well! Did upgrade RAM and storage though
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-G15-gaming-laptop-with-Radeon-RX-6800M-and-Ryzen-9-in-review.551994.0.html

[fallen oasis]

I love how the spec page includes no specs whatsoever.

[golden dirge]

Oops, I swear it loaded for me...

Anyway, replaced the link. I have the R9 5900HX, RX 6800M, WQHD 165Hz, and now 64GB RAM + 1.5TB NVMe total

[fallen oasis]

How much vram?

[golden dirge]

12GB on the 6800M 🙂 More than my desktop 3080 lol

[fallen oasis]

Pretty good then!

How much is it, in $USD?

[golden dirge]

Hmm I got it on sale for AU$2500, which would naively be just under US$2000. Realistically, it translates to like US$1400 though

I've got this one, the QHD screen is well worth it IMO, but the FHD one is a fair bit cheaper
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-strix-g15-advantage-edition-15-6-qhd-gaming-laptop-amd-ryzen-9-5980hx-16gb-memory-radeonrx-6800m-512gb-ssd/6486485.p?skuId=6486485

[hardy rapids]

should i wait for the 12th gen intel chips on a laptop for gamedev or get an 11th gen chip laptop now

[gleaming basin]

Is SMA useful for UE5 ?

[fallen oasis]

In what way?

[gleaming stone]

morning all. what would be better for unreal 5800x3d or 5950x? gaming chip or more cores?

yeah i thought so. its obvious for other heavy workloads but for game creation i was a bit on the fence

[golden dirge]

Zen 1 got mitigated hard, yikes
https://openbenchmarking.org/result/2207175-NE-RETBLEEDZ09&sor

[gleaming stone]

this was a question i had in line for later but as its come up.... have you played horizon zero dawn? what the hell is with the 10-15min shader compiling when you boot into the menu? and how do i not have that crap lol

yeah thats not too much of an issue right now. currently running a 5600x, 32gb 3600mhz ram, 6900xt

[golden dirge]

• console game so may have been built with the assumption of having those shaders cached locally, which isn't a thing on PC for the most part

[gleaming stone]

it litterally says compiling shaders in the menu. last for about 1-15mins on my system and game lags like F if you start before the compile has finished

[golden dirge]

Horizon is a console-first game, they ported it to PC much later

Depending on your CPU the game will be unplayable if you just power through. Call of Duty does a similar thing, though I'm not sure if you can ignore the compilation, think you may just have to wait

[gleaming stone]

fairs. tbh im like 3 months into learning unreal, thought i better do something productive after i bought this system so i have no idea what im doing yet

i wasnt expecting to question this for another few months at least lol

[golden dirge]

That feeling's a constant, though you'll be learning heaps every day 🙂

[gleaming stone]

nooooooooooooo. nah theres 3 of us working on this (me and 2 audio engineers) and we've decided that if we get anything to release stage its gotta be affordable for everyone and no micro transactions.

[cinder latch]

userbenchmark?

cuz then it makes sense lmao

[golden dirge]

UBC is weirdly petty against AMD I remember

Relevant section starts at the highlight

They kept changing their valuation priorities based on what Intel was currently stronger at, then when called out on it would get super salty. Drama is fun

They've got a point, Intel's platforms are much fresher. Happens when you change MB platforms every 2 years, tying CPU upgrades to MB upgrades too lol

This page just reads like a conspiracy theorists' ramblings lol

Like I don't care if the owners have a preference, but when you're posting insane ramblings everywhere with a strong bias, I'm going to doubt the validity of any benchmark on your site

[cinder latch]

"At every release, AMD's marketers coordinate narratives to ensure another feast of blue blubber" lmaooo

[golden dirge]

When you're an Intel gamer but your English Lit degree is going to waste

[cinder latch]

lmaoo

[golden dirge]

Their top rated one is a 12600K, while the top AMD is 3600 at #8...

That ranking system requires very intense mental gymanstics to even begin to comprehen

(by "users")

The left one came out 2 quarters later, Intel must have been hella busy

[vivid skiff]

UserBenchmark?

Yeah, UserBenchmark had a MASSIVE grudge against AMD and bootlicking on Intel and NVIDIA

You don't need multicore performance according to them

[north arch]

for most tasks not associated with gaming or development. that's pretty accurate

but one doesn't often benchmark a system for watching netflix or running word

[vivid skiff]

Even then why stop at just single core?
||Because Intel kinda sucks at multicore perf compared to AMD||

[warm reef]

If anyone is interested I've got a Steam Deck reservation but can't afford it at the moment. Let me know if you're interested

[fallen oasis]

Lol.

Is that an official whine? Or UGC?

[vivid skiff]

CPUPro is THE UserBenchmark showrunner

[spark vortex]

So I'm running a ryzen 5 3600, 16gbs of RAM and a 1660 super. I'm guessing the bottle neck here is probably the ram? is bumping it up to 32 gbs for UE4 or UE5 probably a smart move here?

(Tho I do want to jump to a 3060 or 3070 or even 4th gen eventually but the 1660 super is fairly decent still)

[golden dirge]

IDK, have you looked at resource consumption? 16GB sounds low for sure, but task manager should reveal what's being saturated.

If you plan to upgrade to Zen 4, you'd need DDR5 memory for that.

[spark vortex]

Mm good point, cheers!

[golden dirge]

I didn't mean to rag on the dude, but the least you can do when asking for help is be receptive to feedback. Much more likely to get helped if you're not frustrating everyone interacting with you.

[mighty cosmos]

Ban/strike evasion is also against server #rules

[north arch]

I think it's a discord TOS violation too

[gray surge]

:no_entry_sign: kai#1209 was banned.

[north arch]

can't find it in a quick skim of the TOS though

[golden dirge]

https://twitter.com/discord/status/1047591291301912578?lang=en

Discord (@discord)

@Kacper03548417 Ban evasion is also against our ToS, so those cases can also be reported to our team

Twitter · Oct 3, 2018, 8:56 PM

[mighty cosmos]

Yeah, just found that one too

[golden dirge]

Nothing in TOS (that I saw), but it is in the community guidelines

[prime loom]

Lets move on guys.

Id appreciate it if someone could buy me a 4090ti when they come out.

Thanks.

[golden dirge]

Can your place's electric circuit handle it? 😛

Power down the fridge every time the GPU spins up

[prime loom]

AU has 240v, plus in a past life I was a certified electrician so yeah. Im good on that side 😛

[golden dirge]

Hah true, I'm in QLD and my aircon struggled with the 3080 going full blast already... Dark, hot times are coming

[prime loom]

I have Solar as well so not really concerned to much with power draw.

Though it is worrying as a trend in general.

If it continues further in subsequent models, they risk alienating their own market.

[mighty cosmos]

Just waiting for when 2000W PSUs become standard 😐

[prime loom]

What of the majority of their consumers want to buy 1000w+ PSUs and pay high electricity prices for not that revolutionary performance gains.

I would suspect 5000+ series might focus more on efficiency than raw performance metrics.

Im still on a 1080ti so bumping to a 4090 or 4090ti will be major step up for me.

[north arch]

every gen gets more flops per watt at least

[golden dirge]

GPUs have been getting 20-25% better (at X watts) each gen, but people consider that a disappointing improvement.

I do wonder what the FPS/w curve looks like for current and next gen though, I remember the 2080 TI could lose like 40% TDP for quite minimal perf loss

[north arch]

if we want better performance at lower power, we should be pushing on the software guys to increase efficiency

[prime loom]

Thats the thing though, whats the point in running games at 90+ FPS. I dont think it really changes much if you are already at max settings.

[north arch]

code bloat's absurd in the name of being maintainable

[golden dirge]

Doesn't really work 😐

If you spend time improving efficiency, you get practically 0 gain while slowing down dev.
You instead get beaten to market by the YOLO dev team.

[north arch]

I can spend $10 to make a board that can emulate the entire apollo program at double realtime speeds, why is it so unreasonable to expect modern CS grads to be able to write a program that doesn't choke on a Pentium IV?

[golden dirge]

Because you can target 80% of the market with 20% of the effort (random numbers but you get the point).

No one wants to write shit code, constraints and pressure makes sure you do

[north arch]

my wife, full-stack software dev and database software engineer, can't track down a bottleneck because she's filtering in the wrong order, going through the full list far too many times

[north arch]

Zipf's law...

[prime loom]

Efficient utilization of hardware doesnt stop that hardware from chugging its max power draw with uncapped frame rates.

[north arch]

true...

[prime loom]

If GPUs had a hardware FPS limit, then they could spec them to that instead somehow 🤷

[golden dirge]

I mean most people I've worked with have known about EXPLAIN ANALYZE, but there's always exceptions. Bigger teams are helpful to make sure there's no knowledge/skill gaps

[golden dirge]

Isn't that roughly what Radeon Chill is?

[prime loom]

No idea lol

[golden dirge]

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-software-chill

[prime loom]

Honestly got no clue whats up in todays hardware market

I just dont see how the constant increase in power requirements is a sustainable model.

[golden dirge]

It clocks down your GPU to reach your target FPS, I think the typical use case is laptops though

[north arch]

she knew where the bottleneck was but not why

wrong reply, right person

[golden dirge]

If you can read it, EXPLAIN ANALYZE points out both where and what the bottleneck in a query is, usually

[north arch]

it was really a matter of going through a table, filtering out only a couple entries missing from another table, filtering out only a few entries in a third table, and so on until finally filtering out most entries that met a specific criteria

the fix: filter on criteria first. time dropped from 30 min to 30 seconds

horrid query times

but still

[golden dirge]

One issue in SWE is everyone wants generalists they can replace easily and slot into any problem, but then suffer from lower domain specific knowledge when they are in small teams.

But still, optimisation is like security - a distant afterthought, until it affects you. Then it's a critical issue.

[north arch]

I'm an electronics hardware guy, and even I know filter the most you can on pass one so next pass is faster

and bonus if that first pass doesn't touch two dynamic sets, only one

[radiant summit]

I'll take one too please.