blueprint

[gentle urchin]

Perfecto

[supple bane]

alright let me try that now

[gentle urchin]

You dont need the select

[supple bane]

dashKey is shift correct?

[gentle urchin]

MoveRight * LaunchVelocity

[maiden wadi]

Can be whatever you want, but yes I have it set as Shift.

Select was to select left or right direction based on the MoveRight Axis.

[timber knoll]

that would only work in case you don't use controller

probably why authaer has it there

[gentle urchin]

as long as you multiply by direction, its all good

[maiden wadi]

I just like to be explicit. I don't want it to be anything other than exactly 10000 magnitude.

[gentle urchin]

thats fair

[timber knoll]

well yeah exactly

moveright might only be .4

[gentle urchin]

yepp

4000 launch might be awkward

😛

[supple bane]

I can't thank you all enough

And just to make sure, I could just reuse the same code, and with a few tweaks make it forward + backward?

[gentle urchin]

Yepp

[maiden wadi]

@supple bane Are you looking for full 360 degree rotation dash? Well. On a PC more like 8 directions, but still.

Pretty minor change.

[little cosmos]

How can I fade out particles in relation to MPC parameter?

For instance, when it rains I want the dust particles to disappear

[swift pewter]

I have my dash set up with GetLastMovementInputVector to get the direction, wouldn't that work too? Or would that not work for full 360 degree dashing on controller for some reason?

[maiden wadi]

I'm sure it works fine. I don't think it would be an issue, but I wonder if that would have issues with fast input. That uses the last processed input from the movement component.

Not likely to notice unless running at low framerates if it is an issue though.

Dunno. Might work. I wouldn't do it, because am more comfortable with direct control inputs. I know exactly how control inputs work.

It's likely that GetLastMovementInputVector is set near the end of the frame. And I'm pretty sure input isn't processed til next frame anyhow. So I doubt you'll see any difference. 🤷‍♂️ But I dunno.

Yeah. This would work with a controller as well and the IsNearlyZero would work as a deadzone. User would need to move the stick more than 10% to dash.

Programmatically solves some of the annoying issues with controllers being badly calibrated.

I believe so. Looks the same.

Minding that my pitch is flat. Not sure how your game handles control inputs.

If for some reason you're dashing upwards, mine may not work in the same way because the pitch is inherently flat at all times. Top down style control.

Should be the same MokeRotFromX I believe.

How is your movement set up?

What about the dash itself?

Odd.. Add a print to the execution before SetActorRotation. Print out the value from MakeRotFromX

Try to move and Dash, should not be 0,0,0

[atomic salmon]

That code above looks weird to me

Is that supposed to move your pawn in the direction of sight of the camera?

And perpendicular to it?

[maiden wadi]

Yeah I wasn't factoring that in. Is your camera always directly behind the character?

I mean quite honestly, if the last movement input is working fine. I wouldn't mess with it.

[atomic salmon]

Yes, but nvm. If it works keep it as is.

It's is just easier to take the camera forward vector and project it onto the [0,0,1] plane.

But that is not your issue atm

@swift pewternever realized the fancy math behind it. 😉 And the fact that it will very likely break when your camera is above the character looking down to it.

[maiden wadi]

I started by watching a city builder tutorial. Watched it through and sort of followed along once. Then went back and rewatched it a second time, going back over everything that was done, converting everything to numbers and logic in my head. After that, it was mostly just a ton of curiosity and googling.

Eventually I hit the performance curiosity barrier. Realized Nativization was going to be hell and decided it was easier to learn C++. 😄

[gentle urchin]

Followed a ton of tutorials until i reached a point where I wanted to try out my own systems based on the variations of knowledge acquired through youtube tutorials. At some point you sort of get the gist of most things, and play around with it from there 😛

Have I learned best practices? Probably not.

forums like this helps a lot for the latter part. Peaking into other setups and whatnot.

[atomic salmon]

@trim matrixif you have no programming background whatsoever, learning Blueprints may still be a daunting task no matter what

[gentle urchin]

^good point. Coming from a programming background certainly gave me a head start.

[atomic salmon]

So do not get descouraged.

[umbral oyster]

Hi, anyone know if there is a way to get the actual deltatime for the previous frame? Despite the use of t.MaxFPS. For example I use t.MaxFPS 60 and cap the framerate at 60, but actual fps can be 120 fps, is there a way to know this actual value?

[atomic salmon]

You are right that there are no courses which start with the basic programming paradigms and show them in Blueprints

[maiden wadi]

How much do you generally know? Binary, Float, Integer, Enum, etc?

[umbral oyster]

Tom Looman on Udemy, he taught me everything i needed for the rest it's just google

but Tom Looman's course really takes you through all the essential modules and workflows

everything from BP, C++, AI, Networking, Animation Graph, Material Graph etc etc...

his most recent course introduces GAS as well

but that course is a bit pricey

His course gives a great overview of how everything glues together

[atomic salmon]

@trim matrix even though you may be already past that phase

[maiden wadi]

There are a ton of things that relate to blueprint usage that will probably never be taught in most tutorials. For instance, why a lot of beginners end up in here asking why they can't set their rotations exactly to a number and like 60 Yaw rotation in editor ends up set to 59.9999998. They think there's an error or bug in the editor, but it's entirely normal.

[atomic salmon]

What I found with my students is that one of the most difficult aspects to understand for a beginner is how your code is linked to everything else the engine does.

The whole concept of event-driven programming is obscure to the majority.

Let alone OOP.

[maiden wadi]

I remember actually being shocked when I found out that there were other ways to program than OOP. 😄

[fiery glen]

yeah, me too

[atomic salmon]

I don't know which programming language kids are thought in primary/secondary school these days.

[fiery glen]

I still honestly don't know how composition is done in most situations without a generic ECS style

[atomic salmon]

Back in time it was Basic and Pascal.

[fiery glen]

I did QBasic which was honestly retro as hell even for 2010

[atomic salmon]

It may be that I am a bit retro. 😛

@trim matrixso which part is the most difficult for you?

[fiery glen]

ooh, I meant highschool

[solemn zephyr]

how can I make these traces always appear in front of the player? currently they appear on the same side regardless of the capsule's rotation.

[fiery glen]

those vectors are in world space

you want to get the forward vector of the player, multiply it by how far you want to trace and add that to the world position

to get a position in front of something

[atomic salmon]

is it like "ok I want to do this, where do I start?"

[maiden wadi]

I grew up in a farming state in the US. By the time I was in middle school, the school system there was barely learning how to do spreadsheets. I think most everything I picked up was from a rare tech book, and eventually needing to mod WoW because I wanted to raid, but the addons I had to use were so terribly programmed. and my PC couldn't handle it. 😄 Lua was my first dive into "programming".

[atomic salmon]

Ok that's a good analogy.

Motivation is extremely important in learning.

@trim matrixdo you have a game idea you want to realize?

That's great

So you need to break it down in pieces

[wispy star]

copying of something that people did before it one of the worst methods of education

[atomic salmon]

and work on one piece at the time

[gentle urchin]

Not sure that applies to everyone Alexey. Depends on what you do while copying

[wispy star]

@gentle urchinyou copying...nothing else

[maiden wadi]

I think copying is a fine way to learn "How to use the engine". As in how to navigate around, find your bearings in the software. But it is the worst way to actually understand what you're creating.

[atomic salmon]

I tend to agree. Copy pasting is like giving someone a fish, but it doesn't teach you how to fish.

[gentle urchin]

even then its hard to follow

[solemn zephyr]

that did it, thanks

[wispy star]

sorry for derailing the topic

[gentle urchin]

"we're connecting the vector in here because we want to move" ^
What does that tell you if you dont know how a vector relates to the world, or the context of moving

[wispy star]

@gentle urchinyep...most of the issues come if the author knows exactly how it will behave, and not showing what will happen if something went wrong, like world to local transforms (most common example)

[maiden wadi]

Also. Unless you're training for a specific specialty. I strongly recommend sticking to gameplay design code for a while. It's much easier to follow. After my current job, I will never again wonder why there is an entire subset of programming revolving around UI.

[atomic salmon]

Reality is that knowing something, understanding something and knowing how to teach that something to others are different skills.

[wispy star]

and then you will learn that prepping art for ui is another skill set (as ue4 doesn't do a lot of stuff for textures that it does with 3d art)

[atomic salmon]

A lot of tuts are made by people who learned something without understanding it and now simply want to show off.

[gentle urchin]

It also helps to know the recipient of that something. Some understand it better by seeing it visually, others mathematically etc etc. People learn things differently

[atomic salmon]

Yes, different people have different learning styles.

[gentle urchin]

So personal tutoring should get you further along than generic tutorials

[atomic salmon]

I have been making "no sound" tutorials for a while, purely visual. Some people loved them some others hated them.

[gentle urchin]

Are you supplying with text to it then ?

[atomic salmon]

The visual ones have on screen annotations

Including used shortcuts. tips, etc.

[gentle urchin]

Makes alot of sense. Easier to pause, think, and move along aswell then. With audio you sort have to play over and over the same sentence(s) if you want to rewatch it

[maiden wadi]

You'd be better off just looking at the character examples in the unreal default projects.

[gentle urchin]

aswell as the speed of some tuts are insane

[atomic salmon]

I did try the no-audio concept for a while, but now I am back to audio tuts.

You cannot make 100% of the people happy.

[gentle urchin]

Do you separate your content in any way to how advanced the topic is, or how in-detail you go describing whats going on?

[wispy star]

I want to make tuts for ue4, but i don't enjoy sound of my voice -_-

[gentle urchin]

^makes 2 of us

[atomic salmon]

None does enjoy their own voice

Because we hear our voice also through the bones, which others don't

[gentle urchin]

Was planning on streaming for a while, but cant really get comfy on cam lol

[earnest tangle]

The problem is partially because most microphones don't reproduce your voice very well so it sounds weird and wrong

If you can get your mic setup nicely or just EQ your voice to give it low end, it probably sounds much more natural

[atomic salmon]

True that, but it will never be how you hear it from within your own skull

[earnest tangle]

Probably not yeah

[atomic salmon]

@trim matrixyou should indeed study the standard 3rd person template. There is a lot to learn from it.

Try, break it, fix it

Ask questions here

[earnest tangle]

It's very unlikely that anyone is gonna steal your ideas to the point that your game is not successful as a result

[atomic salmon]

Also history has proven that is not much what you do but how you do it that makes the difference.

[earnest tangle]

You probably should not watch paid content on stream yeah, free content should be ok usually I think

[solemn zephyr]

is the delay node affected by time dilation?

[cyan surge]

This one has got me feeling quite silly, I have a button that brings up an interface that is part of another widget, but I'm unable to click on the button behind it, should I not be able to do that if it's not covered?

[earnest tangle]

Not sure but I suspect "no". This should be quite easy to test though :)

[wispy star]

@cyan surgeis that a part of the same widget?

[cyan surge]

different widget,

Button -> makes other widget visible,

[wispy star]

oh...then you widget is stealing the focus

[cyan surge]

I mean, yea but it's just the canvas?

[wispy star]

#umg - but iirc it's possible to pass hit events through

in BPs you have no View level events, it's only possible to get them in C++ afaik

[thorny glen]

Hello everyone,
please take a look at the screenshot
I'm tried to make a build for android of metahuman but it's face is not appearing.
Anyone know what might be the issue?

[maiden wadi]

@cyan surgeIf you want to click through a widget, that part of the widget needs to have it's visibility set to Not Hit Testable.

[cyan surge]

Lets say that is the canvas,

it is afaik

[wispy star]

@thorny glen https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/SharingAndReleasing/Mobile/Materials/

    Scene Color expression
    Tessellation input
    Subsurface Scattering shading model ```

[maiden wadi]

Is anything wrapped around the canvas?

[thorny glen]

Thanks @wispy star

[cyan surge]

Can we hop into a voice room? @maiden wadi

[maiden wadi]

Also another useful tool. Open a widget blueprint, go to the designer tab, and open the Widget Reflector.

Do Pick Hit Testable widgets, hover over where you can't click through and then escape. It'll give you a snapshot of your hierarchy at that moment and what you have blocking the hit.

[cyan surge]

What is SOverlay?

My widget has one thing in it and its just an image xD

[icy dragon]

I legit never thought MetaHuman being feasible on Android.

Though the MetaHuman sample said it supposed to be scalable from feature film to mobile....

I thought "mobile" means lower end gaming hardware like Nintendo Switch or slightly mid end laptop.

[earnest tangle]

SOverlay is a Slate widget similar to the Overlay UMG widget

Or rather, the Overlay UMG widget is built using SOverlay

[solemn zephyr]

looks like it is, which is fortunate for my use case

[earnest tangle]

Oh that's interesting, I assumed it was realtime, but good to know :)

[solemn zephyr]

I'm using it to prevent ledge grabbing for a moment after letting go of one so you don't immediately grab it again

[cyan surge]

I was with a reference to the widget making it visible, but I think I was setting the canvas as hit testable,

so yea, must be it going to check now

[maiden wadi]

@solemn zephyr Implementations like that are much often easier to maintain by saving a single float of current game time.

You don't have to deal with timers or waiting for the callback, you can just drive logic based on the float. On Ledge release, set float. LastTimeLedgeReleased or something. When your code tries to grab a ledge, all you have to do is check if GetGameTimeSeconds - LastTimeLedgeRelease > WaitTimeAfterLedgeRelease.

[native plover]

im trying to make obstacle course with moving objects but when player stands still, moving objects go through the character. Id like the objects to always push the character. How can i make it work? I have looked online and seems like people have this issue aswell with no solution.

[solemn zephyr]

that seems unnecessarily complicated for the same effect

[maiden wadi]

As opposed to what? How are you updating the state to allow ledge grabbing after the delay?

[solemn zephyr]

on releasing a ledge set "can ledge grab" to false, delay, set "can ledge grab" to true

[cyan surge]

I think it's crazy that the default for setting the visibility on a widget effects the canvas...

is there NO function to set everything but the canvas?

ITS INSANE

If I want to toggle the visibility of a group of widgets, I can do it generically!

because it will effect the canvas?

AHH

[spark steppe]

what? also #umg

[cyan surge]

This is just as much blueprint as umg tbh

[earnest tangle]

I'm confused as to what the problem is?

Collapsed means it is hidden and not in layout

One of the other options allows you to hide it but keep it affecting layout

[icy dragon]

Gotta love the XY Problem syndrome.

[cyan surge]

Yes that is no issue, its when you make it visible it sets the canvas as a big impassable, block that you cant click through...

because canvas is the root.

[earnest tangle]

Screenshot example of what it looks like?

[wispy star]

canvas is the screen space for drawing UI

[sharp rapids]

You can remove the Canvas Panel if you want

[cyan surge]

Yes but because it CAN block, and it IS the root of all widgets, I cant set a widget to visible without making it impossible to click past

[cyan surge]

If your right I will marry you xD

[earnest tangle]

You can make it visible but not hit testable

[cyan surge]

I think I just feel in love

[earnest tangle]

This should make it get ignored

[icy dragon]

So what you're trying to do here is to set visibility in an object reference array of widgets, that array contains every widget you have. Is that the case?

[cyan surge]

Not every but alot yea

The PROBLEM IS SOLVED

Thank you SIMPLE OR COMPLEX!

[wispy star]

no need for caps

[icy dragon]

Wait what

[sharp rapids]

What?

[cyan surge]

Im HAPPY, sue me plz!

xD

[sharp rapids]

I still don't understand what your actual problem was, but anyway
Glad if you got it

[icy dragon]

What the heck mesh collision has to do with the widgets?

[cyan surge]

I won't back track to explain an issue that is now solved, thanks for the help

[maiden wadi]

@solemn zephyr The implementation really isn't that different. And if you ever move to C++ code, the float version becomes immensely easier because delays aren't as easy as a single line.

[icy dragon]

You owe us an explanation dangit

[cyan surge]

Sigh okay...

I will make one last attempt

[earnest tangle]

lol

[cyan surge]

then I will go

I have an array of widgets, I set them all generically "Off" this makes them invisible no issues, I set them generically as "On" this makes them visible, I do this with the Set Visibility function, that function when setting them as visible also effects the canvas that invisible useless thing in the background of any widget you create but that also means it now has hit detection so it will block you from clicking onto a button that it's completely invisible hitbox is now blocking, solutions remove the canvas, invisible hitbox now gone, yea? okay bye xD

Problem not really solved because canvas is useful for other stuff so I still kinda need it... 😡 but I'll just toggle visibility in another way...
A function for widgets that changes the visibility and does not make the canvas a hitbox, that would be nice... really nice...

[earnest tangle]

Like I said

there is an option that makes it visible but not hit testable

[cyan surge]

"You can make it visible but not hit testable" this is not helpful

I'm LOOKING for some of the widget to be hit testable

I want EVERYTHING else to be visible

just not the canvas...

[earnest tangle]

Yes, you need to make those specific widgets hit testable, and the ones you don't want to be hit testable to not be

Or just fix what sounds like a very messy UMG tree, you really wouldn't want random canvases to be on top of other content to begin with

[cyan surge]

Your really not telling me anything I don't know here bud

[sharp rapids]

Go to your widget blueprint,
select your Canvas
Go to Behavior section
You'll see a 'visibility' or something like that setting

[earnest tangle]

Yeah I'm just saying because you'll have an easier time in the future if you fix it

[cyan surge]

It changes the default

[sharp rapids]

Can you show a pic?

Of your Widget BP

[cyan surge]

I'm losing my mind

xD

[sharp rapids]

It should be 'Not-Hit Testable (self only)'

[cyan surge]

If you run this

It will take what ever the default for the canvas is

and set it to visible

and any other widget,

the issue is I just don't want the canvas to become hit testable

[gentle urchin]

How are you making the widget array?

get all widgets?

[cyan surge]

By taking a reference, when I make them xD

[earnest tangle]

have you tried this option? :P

[gentle urchin]

show, dont tell 🙂

[cyan surge]

That will work, but just for the canvas part!

I would also like the rest of the widget to be clickable!

AHHH

[sharp rapids]

Does your widget array contains Custom Widgets?

[cyan surge]

You must be trying to hurt me, so I'm leaving xD

[earnest tangle]

Yes, if you set the root canvas as not hit testable (self only), the children of that canvas will be hit testable assuming you have set them to be hit testable

[cyan surge]

Thanks for the attempts lads

👋

[sand shore]

okay but any children of it can be hit testable?

You seem utterly in-helpable and mad about it.

[cyan surge]

No my issue is resolved, I've been helped, I know the problem, I've said that, I get suggestions that avoid the issue and I want to leave the convo but someone new keeps dragging me back

I'm not mad, I'm tired

I did appreciate the help, and effort to help really

[delicate scroll]

Kind of hard to word this, so if it doesn't make sense I can add some screen shots.
In the widget blueprint, when I add a button, under appearance -> style - For each option (Normal, Hovered, Pressed, etc...) there is a bar (just above the image selector which is 'None') is a display of the button. Most of them are multicoloured, a lighter grey to a darker grey. How do you change it to still have that effect, but with different colours? Or for Hovered, how do I make it match the others?
I've matched all of the other settings as far as I can tell, but it doesn't change. In this particular instance, I don't want there to be any change to the button when interacted with.

[gentle urchin]

#umg ?

[delicate scroll]

lol My bad. Thought I switched tabs

[cyan surge]

Oh btw, "no okay but any children of it can be hit testable? " It applies what ever you set to all children, as the canvas is the root element

so that's just not true

but issue solved I added a widget base class with virtual functions

[maiden wadi]

The canvas won't be the same visibility as all children.

[gentle urchin]

thats the entire point of it. And for sure it works

[cyan surge]

It will if you use set visibility

[maiden wadi]

Only if you set visibility on the canvas itself.

If you set visibility on the children, it will not.

[cyan surge]

No, also if you set a pointer refrence

that was the whole issue, it shocked me how many people commented without reading

[gentle urchin]

Exactly why i wondered how the references were cached in the first place

are you modifying the entire widgets,

or every single widget component (containers, buttons and whatnot)

[cyan surge]

Yea, @gentle urchin it was a good question at the time and I answered you, I think haha

[gentle urchin]

Not really

well

not specifically enough

Its why i prefer the show dont tell method

[cyan surge]

That might be a fair critique

[gentle urchin]

especially from a debugging perspective

[cyan surge]

the variable type was "User Widget"

[icy dragon]

inb4 he's bound to weird NDA

[gentle urchin]

For sure NDA dont target fraction of code?

Can it?

Never worked with NDA, but i'd be amazed if it did.

[spark steppe]

depends, if you leak a hard-coded password, they probably gonna hate you

[cyan surge]

It defiantly can 🤣

[spark steppe]

even tho it's just a fraction

[sharp rapids]

What's NDA?

[gentle urchin]

non disclosure agreement

[sharp rapids]

Ah, I see

[icy dragon]

Non disclosure agreement.
Basically don't spoil the stuff while it's in production

[maiden wadi]

It really depends on the NDA wording. I'm under one. But it basically just states not to disclose anything that can harm the company.

[icy dragon]

Though NDA usually isn't that strict when it comes to sharing a small inconsequential part of the code.

[maiden wadi]

Generally speaking, if you're sharing project code for help, it probably isn't cutting edge enough to be worth an NDA worry. And if it is, you probably have enough rights in the company not to worry about it. 😄

[gentle urchin]

biggest problem with being told how its done vs shown how its done is that it relies on the understanding of the sender. It requires the sender to know exactly whats going on and why, which often is not the case when asking for help.

Getting replied
"I've done it correctly, just like you said"
isnt as trustworthy as showing it..

nothing personal ofc, just experience..

[sharp rapids]

Something tells me that the canvas panel in your user widget is occupying the full screen

[earnest tangle]

if you've got such a restrictive NDA you should probably be asking your coworkers to work through it with you instead of randos on the internet ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cyan surge]

You would be correct, however my issue is resolved

[sharp rapids]

Ah, I forgot

[icy dragon]

This.

[icy dragon]

To be fair, him being bound to super restrictive NDA is almost purely my speculation, based on his secretive responses. Though yeah, should've asked a coworker if he's bound to one. Maybe there's a higher up incompetency going on.
I digress.

[cyan surge]

It's not like I couldn't send a picture of the variable type don't get me wrong haha

and how do you show an invisible canvas blocking a button haha

[gentle urchin]

It's the code part we'd be interested in seeing, not the visuals of the widget 😛

Widget tree could also be interesting

not anymore since it fixed, but yaknow

[cyan surge]

It was a really simple setup, like really simple

[gentle urchin]

That wasnt really the point xD

It was more about what it can tell us, compared to asking a bunch of random questions about something we dont know how is set up

[cyan surge]

Array of user widget pointers,
Loop widget pointers setting visibility,
It effecting the canvas,

[gentle urchin]

Im trying to filter vectors using sphere trace for hitting roads. It's not working correctly, whats wrong

VS

[cyan surge]

Is that a question?

[gentle urchin]

similar question

[cyan surge]

I'll assume that wasn't a real question xD

[gentle urchin]

what tells you the most 😛

[cyan surge]

This blueprint code is so ugly :C

[gentle urchin]

Surely it is!

[cyan surge]

so much overlap, cry

[gentle urchin]

Point is, with text only you'll have to ask a billion questions to figure out what im doing, and how

with the image, we get a ton of info out of the box

[cyan surge]

Yes I think images, are more helpful most of the time yea

but no ones is arguing they arn't haha

[gentle urchin]

Anyways, we're hijacking this entire channel ^^

Lets leave it at that

[cyan surge]

No one else has an issue :)

it was about blueprints

but yea

👋

[earnest tangle]

Yeah I was just making a general observation, not about anyone specifically :)

[brittle plinth]

Hey guys, Do you know how Can I add a background blur to an Item inspection ?
I tried with the widget but everything is blurred so I think from the ThirdPerson BP camera or something like that

[icy dragon]

So the item inspector is not a screen capture + render target?

[brittle plinth]

noup

it's from BP

something like this

and I want to have the foreground in focus and the background with blur

😛

[digital palm]

Hello everyone, I have a small problem with a door and a Keypad to open it. The keypad opens the door once the code is entered. I tested to open the door in multi only without the keypad, no problem to replicate. On the other hand, I use a 3D widget component in my actor with the door, and so as a 2D widget, it is not replicated. I have no idea how to replicate it for all players. Thanks

[cyan surge]

Lots of things you can do, I would suggest replicating a variable and using an On_Rep to set the visual code

You must replicate the variable inside the actor, not the widget!

So make a variable on the door, set its replication to repnotify

It should have something appear on the left, "OnRep_Visual_Code"

Go into it and use the variable to set the code visually!

Now if your making it multiplayer, you will need to think about who can enter the code into the door,

you can just send a client message to the server when they click a button

"Client 1 Pressed 1"

and you just update the servers "real" entered code

hope that helped 😁 👍

[digital palm]

The code entered is stored inside the widget. Di I have to change that? Or can I create the rep notify variable inside the widget bp?

[cyan surge]

Widgets cant replicate anything

so it must come to the door at some point :)

how you do that with either a replicated variable, or RPC is really up to you

but I would recommend repnotify on server and RPC for client input

Keep in mind a dedicated server can't even create a widget

even if it wanted too haha

[drowsy jungle]

Guys I've been following up with a tutorial. Creating a variable with a "Placeable Block" type. But I cant find this type on UE 4.27 ! any ideas ?

[cyan surge]

That's not a standard variable, back track and find the part you missed where it was created,

[digital palm]

yea I see the widget is owning by a user, so I have to pass the numbers entered to the actor, then replicated those numbers

[drowsy jungle]

My UI

[cyan surge]

Yes, widgets cant replicate, actors can

[drowsy jungle]

Tutorial UI

[sharp rapids]

@brittle plinth It looks like you'll need Depth Of Field
Maybe try asking in #graphics

[drowsy jungle]

Actually he just made a standard Variable

[icy dragon]

That's Depth of Field, and I can talk about it on #graphics

[brittle plinth]

okey 😄

let 's move there

[dim robin]

is there any way to update a struct to default values inside blueprints? apparently saving it is not enough, and the useful "default little arrow" is not there

[sharp rapids]

What he means is, The tutorial somewhere created a class called 'Placable Block'
That is how it's showing in their list

You need to create it first to be able to use it

[drowsy jungle]

Ooohhh

Yeah I am only watching half through to get how a single method is done

Thanks

[odd ember]

no not really. BP structs are fickle creatures

you could create a data table using the struct and input the default data there

but that's perhaps overkill if you don't plan to use data tables otherwise

[dim robin]

i'm going to check it

[sturdy canyon]

does anyone know why my clouds wont change in game?
left clicking does nothing

[fiery glen]

Input event might be consumed elsewhere

If it isn't firing at all

[wispy star]

That BP is not linked to controller, so it cant receive the event

[wet wren]

hello so i made this conveyor which everything works on it perfectly now i made this cube and it falls on it and wont move any ideas? the cube is from blueprint

[faint pasture]

So are you saying the other things move when they are on the conveyor belt? How does the conveyor belt move things?

[wet wren]

like this

using a collision box

[wispy star]

@wet wrencheck overlapping collision is enabled on the cube

you may also use "sweep" as otherwise the model will ignore collisions

[wet wren]

its enabled

[wet wren]

oh how?

[wispy star]

@wet wren

[sturdy canyon]

if I switch the left mouse event to event tick it still doesn't darken though

[wet wren]

i see

its not working

[wispy star]

@sturdy canyonbut cloud opacity is just a float...it should be used somewhere

[sharp rapids]

What do you mean by Darken?

[sturdy canyon]

like when I increase the slider in the editor

making the clouds go from blue sky to cloudy

[wispy star]

@sturdy canyoni've explained, that you need to use this value somewhere, like set an actual brightness of the light etc

[sturdy canyon]

can't I set it in the box in the set node (100.0)?

[wispy star]

@sturdy canyonthat variable by itself just stores the value, it needs to be used somewhere, and if it is, how it updates the actual values of those parameters that it used to control

i.e. you have f(x), and you set x, but you also need to tell, "hey, update f(x) now"

[sturdy canyon]

which command is that if not set?

[wispy star]

you've set X...X by itself is just a float

there is no such command by default, if you have not defined one yourself (depends on your BP)

[wet wren]

the cube still just falls on the conveyor

[wispy star]

@wet wrenmake sure this returns something

I also recomment not to use tick, but use start/end overlap

[wet wren]

the conveyor itself works if i jump on it i move or if i make a cube and enable overlap it also moves but the thing is that blue cube is in a blueprint

[wispy star]

@wet wrenI am asking about your cube issue, make sure it generates the overlap

use break points, use logs, make sure you get the proper values on each step

[random plaza]

how do you search for a variable inside of a struct? say im making an inventory system with structs and i need to look and see if an item has a damage value, so i can tell that its a weapon

[gentle urchin]

custom function looping array checking struct data

i suppose? depends a bit on the struct i guess

[random plaza]

also how do you make a struct have a space for any kind of variable? say i have an inventory struct and it can either take weapons or items

[wispy star]

since struct is generally a fixed subset, why do you need to search?

[random plaza]

i was gonna have an inventory struct that could take items inside it, or weapons or say food items that are each their own struct

[icy dragon]

Shouldn't that be an array?

[random plaza]

wait im stupid, yeah its an array duh

can arrays have wildcard slots?

[gentle urchin]

No

you can work around it with maps, arrays and stuff like that, but no true wildcard

Just makes thing stupidly complex tho

[sharp rapids]

You'll need a base class for your inventory items

[gentle urchin]

map of strings f.ex saying attribute and value...

[icy dragon]

This is what I was thinking.

[random plaza]

oh, that makes sense

[icy dragon]

I don't know why I couldn't focus tonight

[random plaza]

i'll work on adding that today, i'm i a really good mood and game development helps me calm down. this is like therapy for me.

[gentle urchin]

Same lol. Untill things break for no apparent reason and you spend x hours troubleshooting it

beyond that, therapy all the way : )

[random plaza]

i feel that, but its honestly a good distractor for me, what with my autism and stress in my life.

[gentle urchin]

In a map container, is things in guaranteed order? Or are they somehow inserted?

[icy dragon]

For me it would be either game dev, animating, (sometimes) modding while listening to smooth jazz or anime music.

[tawdry mural]

you guys have any ideas how to make 3 shell game?

[icy dragon]

Do you mean match 3? Or something else?

[icy dragon]

Never worked with map vars, so no idea :/

[icy dragon]

(I just have yet to found a purpose to use one lol)

[gentle urchin]

Im using it for my AI manager, adding path requests, with actor and location refs

the setup is working, but the order seem messed up

[faint pasture]

Do some testing, I'm interested. You can have ordered and unordered maps in c++ but I'm not sure which Unreal uses. Even if ordered it might not be the order you think. Test it tho. Just make a map, add some keys and remove some, and see what happens.

[icy dragon]

Oh, that's simple. Move the cup around, if player opens one cup, check for the bool value. That's the high gist.

[gentle urchin]

Current tests suggest they're somehow inserted, but not predictably..

Adding them is pretty straight up

[faint pasture]

Yeah maps are implemented as a red black tree typically so the order will be a function of the hash I think? So unpredictable.

[gentle urchin]

and removing based on key

Definetly unpredictable

[tawdry mural]

how would you move cups? im thinking doing bunch of animations then call random in state machiene

[cursive apex]

If I want to make a rock gradually change color to red by time under collision with a flamethrower spell, and then gradually change back to the original color, should I use event begin play or event any damage?

[random plaza]

if you called random animations, the cups could hit eachother

[icy dragon]

A simple timeline node controlling the location ought to do it.

[gentle urchin]

swap 2 and 2 cups, define offset based on direction of the cup

[tawdry mural]

no it will be 1 rig and all the move variations in a state machiene

[gentle urchin]

one always moves in front, other always behind

[sharp rapids]

'On Damage' seems to be the logical choice here

Or whichever event your calling when affecting the rock

[gentle urchin]

Is there any common "low fps" treshold one tests against?

I'd say sub 30 fps is unplayable but...

[icy dragon]

If it's a skelmesh, I think you could get away with either procedural anims, or executing a bunch of predetermined cup animations. The cup number isn't going to actually move from one position to another, so you'd have to keep track of the cup number sequence based on the anim you played.

At least that's from my observation of the same game in Watch Dogs 1.

[sharp rapids]

Yeah, min 30 fps (at least according me)

[icy dragon]

For context, the minigame in action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgd8T-FAknc

Notice how in every shuffle the cups and hands starts and ends in the same position

[faint pasture]

There's only 3 possible swaps so I'd start with those 3 animations.

[tawdry mural]

i think it would be easier to make with rig

[faint pasture]

Ya might be easier to just move cups and ik hands to them

[icy dragon]

The Watch Dogs example has to interact with the NPC, so it is a skelmesh.

[faint pasture]

You could make the "move animations" just with some curves.

[icy dragon]

It's just that the cups don't really move after shuffled, hence why the cups are in the same position at the start and the end of the shuffle.

[gentle urchin]

Thats what i was thinking. But i feel like i cant let the AI break because of low fps 😛

[faint pasture]

Then iK the skelmesh to them and have the cups be moving the hands. Blend in and out from the rest pose to ok and you'll be mostly there

[tawdry mural]

i won't be using hands 🙂

[icy dragon]

The hands don't really matter tbh

[faint pasture]

Ok then you can just make 3 little curves for the 3 swaps and call it done.

[sharp rapids]

I don't understand how AI would break at low fps though 🤔

[tawdry mural]

curves you mean i can do it in ue?

the animations

[icy dragon]

I'm just pointing out how Watch Dogs did the shuffling animation, so you could replicate it. Give a closer look on the video I linked above.

[gentle urchin]

Struggles to reach target locations, often overshooting

[gentle urchin]

The lower the fps, the worse the struggle

[icy dragon]

Also notice that the cups got weird motion blur at times, because the cup mesh are resetting, but the game code still keep track of where the ball should be.

[gentle urchin]

Dont you think the anims just have some offset value attatched to it?

AnimA Move ball +1

midpoints values are meaningless

[faint pasture]

Yeah just define curves for the motions of the 2 cups in a swap. You'd only need 2 actually.

A 1-2 or 2-3 swap, and a 1-3 swap

The vector curves plot out the positions over time. Just use a timeline to move the cups from curve values.

[frosty berry]

Can you use LandscaperLayerBlends and WorldAlignBlend together? I want height based textures as well as a paintable surface. Examples?

[faint pasture]

Sure, just think about how you wanna blend the 2 outputs.

[frosty berry]

That is where I am lost...It appears I am alwasy missing something to put them together and which of the 2 textures that are blending should get used with the worldalign?

[faint pasture]

Just think from the point of view of the pixel. What should it look like? If you want elevation to override painting then drive the final alpha by Z. If you want painting to always override the auto material then drive the final alpha by all the layer strengths added up.

That final alpha bring the blend between the 2 types

Or you can make the auto material be a layer. So 1 layer is auto, 2nd is painted roads, 3rd is whatever, etc.

[frosty berry]

Ok, I "think" I have my head around that... This is what I have so I need to find the spot for it.

[wary tinsel]

hey guys I have a doubt and I hope you can help me.
In my game I use a single widget for my pawn where is displayed speed, score and stuff like that.
Now, since I have two different game modes I placed a switchOnString on the event construct of the widget and according to the selected game mode, he will cast to one or the other game mode. Will this save me from loading both game modes or the engine is loading ONLY the game mode that he executes? Because I see that in the reference chain I have both game modes 😦 I hope my answer is clear!

[surreal peak]

You mean loaded into the memory?

[wary tinsel]

yes

[surreal peak]

Also that's a terrible setup mate

[wary tinsel]

I know dude eheh any suggestion to make this better?

[odd ember]

this seems like a #graphics query

[surreal peak]

Yeah use inheritance a bit more. Make a PlayerController class that spawns a widget based on a Class variable.
Make two child PCs from that and set the Class variable to two different widget.
Then use one PC in one GameMode and the other PC in the other GameMode

Or heck, you can even have the Variable in the GameMode, and make children of that

You can grab the GameMode Class from the GameState (if multiplayer), and grab the class from teh class default

There are multiple ways

But you shouldn't switch on String for GameModes

Your GameMode should actively or passively control which Widget is spawned

That said, I think if you have a cast to your GameMode class, it will be loaded

So this would also remove your reference issue

[wary tinsel]

ye I was looking into something better that what I did...but to answer my question is not going to load both game modes until he executes right?

[surreal peak]

Relatively sure as soon as the Widget is loaded it will load the GameMode classes into memory

And then all the shit the gameModes reference

It's not gonna be an instance of the class of course

Since you can only have one GameMode

But the class object and all its references are probably gonna be loaded

[clever helm]

cast to player fail in animbp idk why

everything seems correct

[gentle urchin]

Screnshot

[wary tinsel]

I am using already one PC for each game mode, the fact is I have some animations for Score, extra score and stuff like that, and they are both different for each game mode. Should I set up these kind of things in the PC or the widget itself?

[surreal peak]

Cleanest would be having two widgets

There are solutions that are really involved

But doubt they are worth it

[wary tinsel]

I thought would have been stupid doing two...but for loading it's the best apparently

[surreal peak]

Well you can make the modular, right

[clever helm]

i checked which animation bp its using in the rifle character and its the correct one idk what might be the other issues

[surreal peak]

Elements that are the same in both can just be a second widget

And then only the things that are different can be different widgets

[surreal peak]

TryGetPawnOwner

Is what you usually use

[clever helm]

i did

same issue

could it be an issue from 4.27?

[wary tinsel]

mm then I think I will try with two widgets...because it's easier since I have a lot of animated stuff going on inside

[clever helm]

because i did not find the issue in 4.26

[wary tinsel]

thanks a lot dude!!! really appreciate

[surreal peak]

Please print the display name of the TryGetPawnOwner return

And tell me what that is

[gentle urchin]

Print the displayname of get pawn owner

Probably some gm class issue or smth

[surreal peak]

Yeah the AnimBP is def not on the class they are casting to :D

[tranquil prawn]

anybody has any idea how to get hold of a physics material on a skeletal mesh on trace hit?
like trace complex on per poly collision on a skeletal mesh?
(without using the dumb physics asset, I want per poly)

[clever helm]

oh

could be

[surreal peak]

Can't you grab it from the HitResult?

[gentle urchin]

Not the first time ive heard people have issues after upgrading. Never got a clear answer for what resolved the issue but.. id imagine its something like that

[tranquil prawn]

no because per poly collision lags the game if I enable it

so I want a trace that will do per poly collision without it being enabled all the time

[surreal peak]

Wasn't the PhysMat only part of the Physic Shapes that are attached to the bones?

Not sure what you are doing then, sorry

[tranquil prawn]

well it's part of the materials attached to the skeletal mesh

I want to just get the material of the area I hit in the skeletal mesh

[surreal peak]

Yeah, those are defined via the PhysicsAsset usually, right?

[tranquil prawn]

yea.. I want it to be per poly :(

[surreal peak]

I have not actually heard about that being a thing in UE4

So probably can't help then

[tranquil prawn]

yea I think I'll have to find a workaround... thanks tho

[faint pasture]

@tranquil prawn are the traces all the mesh has to hit?

[surreal peak]

I only know about the PhysAsset and the Shapes that can have PhysMats

And they should return fine if hit

[tranquil prawn]

I want to get the material that I hit on the skeletal mesh, not on the physics asset
so like a complex/per poly trace

[tranquil prawn]

not sure what you mean

[faint pasture]

Have you tried make them ONLY block that trace channel? That shouldn't have any runtime cost when not tracing.

Assuming the collision system is optimized as it should be.

[tranquil prawn]

ahhhhhhh I guess that's a possible workaround but I'd really like to keep the physical collision for the simple collision

[faint pasture]

Is that a constant thing or just for ragdolling at death or whatever

[tranquil prawn]

well always, like when the player walks up to the skeletal mesh

I want it to collide with it from the physical asset

but ye I dont think that's possible

[clever helm]

you meant game mode?

[faint pasture]

Yeah good luck. Sounds like you want both at the same time which is pretty out there.

[tranquil prawn]

yea.. 😅 Ill try to see if I can get what you suggested to work, if it runs well, and then work around that. thanks

[gentle urchin]

Just print the displayname of the pawn owner and see^^

[clever helm]

it is not showing

[surreal peak]

So TryGetPawnOwner doesn't even print its DisplayName? Screenshot?

Cause then it's null, which would only happen if the Owner of the AnimBP (or rather of the SkelMeshComp) is no even a Pawn.

[surreal peak]

Can you call "GetOwner"

And print from that

And don't do the cast

Just call the print string

[clever helm]

its says by player characters name

my*

[surreal peak]

What's the exact name

[clever helm]

BP_Rifle_Character

[surreal peak]

What's the Parent of the Class

[clever helm]

character

[surreal peak]

Hm, that does indeed not make sense

[clever helm]

wait

i am not really sure what it is, i download the pack from the marketplace

its an fps pack

[surreal peak]

Open the BP_Rifle_Character

[clever helm]

ok

[surreal peak]

And check the top right corner

Parent Class: ...

[clever helm]

character

[surreal peak]

Right

Try to use the GetOwner node on your cast

I'm not sure atm why it would fail

[clever helm]

usually it happens because i did not set the correct anim bp on my player character

but this time everything is perfect and i still have an issue

[gentle urchin]

Try to make a new cast node

[clever helm]

same problem

[brazen merlin]

im not sure if this will solve the problem, but doing a cast on the update animation event is not necessary, that's performing the cast every frame. This also does not fire at the same time as begin play for bp so it could be failing, though i would expect it to succeed a few frame later. You should use Event Blueprint Begin Play to perform the cast and store the reference in a variable there, I would print string this to double check it succeeds as well. Sorry if this doesn't help solve the problem though.

[clever helm]

i already did that

same problem

[brazen merlin]

sorry, catching up on what has already been done

this might have been asked, the animbp and player bp were pre-made?

[clever helm]

it was

i made a new one for testing

and same problem

[brazen merlin]

and the animbp uses the correct skeleton?

[clever helm]

yep

[surreal peak]

It's strange that the name prints but the cast fails

Specifically if you use the same GetOwner node

[clever helm]

i guess it might be a bug from 4.27

[brazen merlin]

you merged versions?

[clever helm]

n iop[]

[brazen merlin]

migrated*

sorry what?

[clever helm]

no

[ashen night]

i'd try to debug what class gets to the cast node

[brazen merlin]

and my last silly question, the animation bp is hooked up to the character bp? this new one you made?

[clever helm]

forget it i am going to start something fresh

[barren flower]

I have a question about instancing.

Lets say I want to place 30 cubes in a level.

Each cube is a simple blank actor blueprint with a static mesh component.

Whats the best way to instance them

can I setup a static mesh instance in each blueprint, and reduce the draw calls

or do I need some kind of master blueprint that searches for these cube actors, and uses its own instance static mesh component to just kind of, draw cubes at those found locations?

Does that make sense?

[brazen merlin]

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/auto-instancing-vs-ism-comparison-4-24/138105 - looking like a master bp is better performance, if you want lods, uses hism

[barren flower]

I'll have a little read, thank you sir

Yup, im doing it the right way, I was hoping I wasnt 😦

Thanks @brazen merlin

[brittle plinth]

hey guys, how can I interact with an object but just when I am facing it
so that it's only with the camera visibility

[barren flower]

What does interact mean

[brittle plinth]

so I have an interactble object and If i am close to it I can press E and inspect it

but if am facing the other way around I can still press E and inspect

SO i just want it to happen when I am facing it

[barren flower]

I'm guessing you are using some kind of box overlap or something then, which is probably the wrong way to do it

Use a sphere trace

[brittle plinth]

I have a sphere

[barren flower]

Thats not what I said 😛 You're missing a word

[brittle plinth]

oh sphere trace, how Can i do that?

[barren flower]

https://youtu.be/Sg1siSsT2-0

Bam, Matts got you

[brittle plinth]

let me see

[barren flower]

Updated link, this is the one you want

the other is an expansion to this one

[sharp rapids]

@brittle plinth @barren flower shouldn't it be a line trace?

[barren flower]

For interaction? I mean it can be, but in that case you have to hit it dead on. Depends how much forgiveness you want

im happy if a player is looking pretty close to a switch, they dont have to be pixel perfect

so I just use a larger sphere

[brazen merlin]

there is a math solution....

[faint pasture]

Sphere trace to get results, then filter by class or interface, then filter by dot product vs Forward, then select by distance. That's how I do it.

So the closest viable interaction target within a cone is what I interact with.

[barren flower]

Theres also a UMG for getting objects under a square, but I cant remember what its called

[faint pasture]

For the facing just check dot product between ThingLocation-CharacterLocation and CharacterForward

[barren flower]

Doesnt matter, I noticed by the question this person was new, and if they dont know what a sphere trace is, im right

So we are overthinking it

They are just using box collision overlaps for interactable, which is fundamentally a bad idea. A sphere trace is more than enough for what they are doing right now

[barren flower]

But something like this is the ultimate solution, for sure

[maiden wadi]

I just multisphere trace. Sort by dotproduct from trace direction. sort by distance, choose first applicable interactable.

[faint pasture]

Hmm I wonder if just sorting by a non-notmalized dot product would also bake in the distance good enough to behave well.

So it's like closeness x directness as the selection criteria

Wait shit the distance and angle would counteract.

[barren flower]

I mean, multisphere trace, whatever it hits first is the closes object, its already sorted by distance by the nature of a sweeping sphere

[faint pasture]

Yeah but what if that is the ground and you want the doorknob

Depends on if you have a dedicated channel for interacting

[barren flower]

Just throw interfaces at it till something returns a boolean

[eager peak]

hey, ive got an NPC in behaviour trees and want to make variations of this npc with different behavior, when im duplicating it how much do I need to copy over? im under the assumption that i need a fresh behavior tree, ai controller, animbp and npc bp - the tasks don't need to be duplicated right?

[barren flower]

https://tenor.com/view/amy-poehler-thug-thug-life-hoodie-gif-5080826

[faint pasture]

I use a scene component for interaction, works great as it can store state and also has a position.

[faint pasture]

Why fresh AIController or other bps?

Just parametrize the BT and swap the personality while keeping the brain and body.

[brazen merlin]

just need the bt, then tell which bt to use in the controller

[eager peak]

thats possible? ooo

new to behavior trees so wasn't sure, thanks alot ill look up on that :)

[barren flower]

Yeah, you basically just prune off routes you dont want it to take. So like, cop npcs might have whole routines about arresting you unlock with a single parameter of is cop or something, and crims get that disabled, but they are both using the same brain

So they use the same gunfight logic and stuff

[brazen merlin]

and to get fancy, use sub trees

[eager peak]

yeah, currently got npcs that will run up to you and attack with a sword, strafe around you and dodge and want to have variations of some that do or dont do those tasks

[barren flower]

Oh sheet

We are going to deep now, captain

[tawdry mural]

it goes 212121212323232231212121232232

how to make it alittle more random?

[barren flower]

That is random

[tawdry mural]

i mean

[barren flower]

True randomness sucks if you are looking for a mix

Little trick i use

Make an array 3 length

Go through each and then reset, and mix them up again

That way its more like a deck of cards with 3 different cards

No repeats, but apparent randomness

[tawdry mural]

nice thnx

[barren flower]

Do yourself a favor and create a standard function for that

Because its always possible to get like 4 thousand 1's in a row, right?

If anything you do takes off, guarantee its going to happen to somebody

Expand the system, have and array of 9

123123 and 3 wildcards that really are random

shuffle that

That way you guarantee the distribution that feels good to human beings, and you also let good and bad luck, true randomness, play its games, but in controlled and limited fashion

get that 4 1's in a row streak now and then

[brazen merlin]

could also check if the next random number is the same as the last, and roll again, even if its the same the next time, it modifies the outcome

[barren flower]

Still lets you get 121212121 into eternity

never get a 3

[brazen merlin]

yeah, 3 is a small amount for randomness

[barren flower]

No, its just that humans expect to get an even amount of 1's 2's and 3's

because brains made of meat suck at math

[icy dragon]

@trim matrix Show your FP character blueprint here. Others might able to narrow down at your gun stuttering issue.

[barren flower]

but thats not at all the case

[brazen merlin]

math maybe, probability indeed

[barren flower]

Over a thousand rolls that might pan out, but people will fucking bail long before that in a dice roll game or something

Whats this in reference to?

[icy dragon]

Issue with the arm/gun vibrating when moving.

[odd ember]

this is just standard deviation lol

[brazen merlin]

because you are spawning the gun at game start, add it as a component instead, parent it to the player mesh and link it to the socket instead of code, i would imagine that's caused the shaking. collision is another consideration

[barren flower]

This looks fine, you are spawning a weapon base whatever that is, and then attaching a weapon to it

You also have a flip flop for aim down sights

that all seems okay

[native willow]

epic's random stream is just poorly implemented

[barren flower]

let me look over this second

[odd ember]

looks correct to me. random 1-3 averages 2 mostly, 1 and 3 less

[brazen merlin]

its the standard rand() microsoft uses, pseudo-random generation

[barren flower]

That only runs once though, right? You arent destroying this blueprint and recreating it

[native willow]

its not standard, epic even admit that their random is bad quality

[brazen merlin]

how else are they going to get comments? making a flawless video without a single mistake? 🙂

[odd ember]

great business model

[barren flower]

This is the standard first person template, is this it?

[odd ember]

tutorial part 1: publically available. tutorial part 2: hidden behind paywall

[icy dragon]

Which tutorial?

I'm refraining from naming some YouTubers I know that the tutorials are fucking shit.

[brazen merlin]

yeah we should go beat them up

[fiery swallow]

Make your own random selector that's not actually random. Know one has to know

[barren flower]

Guys this isnt a discussion on youtube economics, take it to a different room

#lounge

[fiery swallow]

Game devs make false claims all the time. I think my favorite one is when they "this ai learns how to play and adapts"

[barren flower]

@trim matrix are these the only two images? the standard fps template and this gun spawn code?

[odd ember]

correlation != causation

anyway what is the issue

[brazen merlin]

the gun shakes while moving, vibrates

[odd ember]

and there is no code that supports this?

42 mb vid rip my intenret

[brazen merlin]

id assume parenting the gun under the player mesh fixes this since it childs it rather than attaches, plus it's not necessary to code it when its the same as setting it up in the bp

[icy dragon]

Bumping the code up:
#blueprint message

[barren flower]

Thanks, people spamming the chat with youtube comments is really annoying in a blueprint room.

Okay, so. How is this attached to you?

[odd ember]

judging from the code I suspect it has nothing to do with the weapon attachment

[barren flower]

This looks like a physics sim glitch

[brazen merlin]

it was actually our discussion on random numbers 😛

[odd ember]

.

[barren flower]

What is this weapon base

That is being attached to the pawn

[odd ember]

is the weapon still while the character is still?

[barren flower]

with collision?

and physics enabled? Guessing

[odd ember]

click that arrow down

[barren flower]

Set this is none

does it still happen

[icy dragon]

I would've assumed the player character just going to launched into oblivion in the case of collision overlap.

[tawdry mural]

Yep the cups are twitching 😄 Trying to figure out how to do the state machine correctly

[odd ember]

on the right side where it says collision, can you click the arrow down?

[native willow]

if you really want a legit rng you would probably need to implement noise based rng yourself (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWFzPP8ZbdU) for fast stateful rng their implementation is enough but they admit that its bad quality in the comment just above the random stream class declaration]

[icy dragon]

It's a typical game collision thing, don't too mind about it.

[odd ember]

the one I replied to

[barren flower]

@trim matrix have you tested this please?

Set it to none

and test

please

[odd ember]

owner just takes the class it is spawned inside afaik

[fiery swallow]

Im saying you don't have to have true rng selection. Just make your own logic that isn't entirely random but others just won't know that

[barren flower]

No collision

[icy dragon]

Set the Collision Handling Override to None

And give it a try.

[odd ember]

setting that isn't the same as setting the collision. it's just how it spawns

[fiery swallow]

Kinda like a slot machine, no way in hell is that game random

Rigged 1000%

[barren flower]

Ah my mistake, thats a different thing

[icy dragon]

Okay, Always Spawn, Ignore Collision

[native willow]

oh, so I thought you meant smth else, nvm

[barren flower]

No thats different

[icy dragon]

Didn't have my editor open either

[barren flower]

Hang on, can everyone slow down please

[odd ember]

it spawns already so collision is technically not enough of an issue to not make it spawn

which is why I doubt this makes any difference

[barren flower]

@trim matrix Where are you attaching the base blueprint to the first person actor?

[odd ember]

@trim matrixin your weapon, check the collision settings on your weapon's skeletal mesh component

[odd ember]

it says in the code, the mesh is the attach point

[fiery swallow]

It's often pretty easy to get away with false claims. Sometimes people don't actually want what they think they want anyway. Just call it simulated RNG

[icy dragon]

It's the rush hour swooosh

[odd ember]

same

[native willow]

but this statement still makes me smile

/**
 * Implements a thread-safe SRand based RNG.
 *
 * Very bad quality in the lower bits. Don't use the modulus (%) operator.
 */
struct FRandomStream
...

[odd ember]

if you can check the weapon actor's skeletal mesh component and see what the collision settings are, and screenshot them

ok but can you actually take a screenshot of your setup lol

just collision settings

on your weapon actor

for your weapon's mesh

[fiery swallow]

Disable physics, set collision to ignore pawn, turn off weld simulated bodies?

[barren flower]

Set this to relative, since its being spawned correctly

[odd ember]

doesn't make a difference. it's not the node itself

snap to target in this case does the same

because you're already spawning it at a socket

[barren flower]

Here in the details panel

When you select the meshes

for the gun

Set this

On both your socket, which may not have this section, and the AK

[icy dragon]

One thing worth mentioning is that the weapon is already a skeletal mesh. Usually it's not as stubborn as static mesh collision.

Usually

[maiden wadi]

Sockets don't have collision.

[odd ember]

the socket is just a component with a location, it doesn't have collision

[barren flower]

Under physics, make sure this is disabled

[maiden wadi]

It isn't enabled, or it can't attach.

[barren flower]

on the ak, not the first person template

Its set to weld sim bodies

[icy dragon]

I might be wrong, the skeleton icon could mean Static Mesh Component for all I "know".
#blueprint message

[barren flower]

Yeah its a skeletal mesh

[icy dragon]

The collisions usually would be an issue if it's static mesh.

[barren flower]

Just get rid of them and eliminate a variable, its the only thing I can think of in the immediate that would cause random bouncing like that, is a physics object constrained under a collision capusle

Otherwise it should simply be attached and be static

[odd ember]

it shouldn't make a difference since weld simulated bodies is on

but what do I know

[barren flower]

@trim matrix have you done those things?

[maiden wadi]

It doesn't necessarily need to be a physics object. Even kinematic object can fight another blocking kinematic object for space when updating movements.

[barren flower]

The other thing is that there is clearing a running bobbing animation playing. Thats the next debug if it isnt physics

[odd ember]

I know, but it's my understanding that weld simulated bodies automatically handles collision issues even if not physics simulating. I could be wrong though, but I have had that tickbox account for collision changes

(and I never do physics sim)

[maiden wadi]

If memory serves, that only applies to the direct parent component. I remember having issues where some attached things were fighting the capsule when attached to the mesh.

[odd ember]

ah perhaps that could be it

[barren flower]

You're mistaken. The weapon does not attach to the first person charicter, it attaches to a socket in a seperate blueprint that is then spawned in the first persons local space

[odd ember]

just booting up unreal to take a look at the code

[barren flower]

so it wont collide with the socket, but it will inhabit the capsule space of the first person charicter

[timber knoll]

if it were to be colliding

you would get a speed boost

or just not move at all

[barren flower]

And I suspect they either solved it, or got scared off from the flurry of pointless, directionless comments

Not a single word of that is true

[icy dragon]

Everyone's a fast typer these days.

[barren flower]

Its not just that, they literally had nothing to offer, and clearly no experience debugging anything, they were just blurting out totally dumb things

[icy dragon]

I said the same thing about it lol
#blueprint message

[barren flower]

No you wouldnt

[timber knoll]

well not per se launched, you would be fine when not moving

[barren flower]

The first person character does not have physics enabled

[timber knoll]

it would constantly push against your current movement

[barren flower]

it is able to impart force, but it is not a physics receiver

the weapon is forced into local space, it cannot move

[odd ember]

doesnt look like it from the code. it seems to attach to a mesh component, which I would presume is the character's skelmesh (e.g. arms)

[barren flower]

No, its not. Its the socket which is the root component of the weapon blueprint

the weapon blueprint is summoned and spawned into the local space of the first person character

So you have a sub blueprint with a sub blueprint

[odd ember]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say

[barren flower]

which can 100% collide with the fpc

[fiery swallow]

Here's a guy who thinks very highly of himself

[odd ember]

or where you have that from the code

[maiden wadi]

It is attached to the mesh.

[barren flower]

What is attached to which mesh

[maiden wadi]

The weapon.

[barren flower]

This mesh?

With the massive collision component?

[barren flower]

Where is that blueprint

[odd ember]

it was linked in the chat

[barren flower]

Work through it

[maiden wadi]

If you'd shut up for three seconds and read instead of blurting out useless shit, you'd know.

[icy dragon]

I was originally going to ask them to post the FP character BP in full, but the speedrun is still going.

[barren flower]

What does this do?

You just arent thinking

This spawns a socket

thats all it does

[fiery swallow]

[barren flower]

In the first person BP local space

[maiden wadi]

Which then...

[timber knoll]

why would it spawn a socket?

[barren flower]

then you attach TO THE SOCKET a gun

which has collision

which is inside the FPB

[odd ember]

if you look here there is no socket to spawn

[fiery swallow]

I believe weapon base was weapon parent

[barren flower]

My point is that the weapon bp IS NOT A CHILD OF THE FPC

So it does not inherit the collision capsule

it can collide with it

[odd ember]

it is once it is attached

[barren flower]

its just spawned there

[odd ember]

hence, weld simulated bodies

[barren flower]

IT DOESNT ATTACH TO THE FPB

It attaches to the weapon base blueprint

oh my god

[icy dragon]

Jeez, you folks already got the world record speedrun.

[maiden wadi]

The weapon is the weapon base blueprint.

[timber knoll]

I'm wondering where this is going 👀

[fiery swallow]

He's getting triggered using all caps

[icy dragon]

Was hoping to redirect them here to let someone like Squize or Adriel thread the debugging process, but eh.

[maiden wadi]

Weapon_Base was a scene root and a skeletal mesh with the AK model.

[barren flower]

Why isnt it being added as a component

[icy dragon]

I'm going to carry the guilt, if you excuse me.

[barren flower]

Why is it being spawned as its own blueprint, and then attached as a component

[odd ember]

because, generally speaking, an actor is better to use for a weapon than a component

you have more flexibility

[faint pasture]

Attach actor TO component.

[barren flower]

You can spawn it as an actor, as a component

[odd ember]

you mean child actor component?

[maiden wadi]

Ew.

[odd ember]

exactly

stay away from that garbage

[barren flower]

By class

[fiery swallow]

In my years of developing I never seen that one

[barren flower]

Yeee

[odd ember]

forget its existence, you'll end up happier

[barren flower]

Its what its for, to avoid stuff like this

[faint pasture]

Is there another way to spawn actor in construction script?

Like a procedural building etc

[maiden wadi]

It's a hack that was designed for designers who don't want to bother spawning and keeping track of references.

[barren flower]

lol wat

[odd ember]

thru cpp

[barren flower]

Out 👉

[faint pasture]

Sir this is #blueprint

[zealous moth]

I migrated a widget from a same version project to another but it doesn't show in the editor. However it is there in the explorer.... ~_~

[odd ember]

you asked for another way

[faint pasture]

I mean another another way. Not gross typing

[native willow]

😒

[faint pasture]

Lol

[maiden wadi]

You cannot spawn actors in BP construction script anymore. I think in 4.25.4 or 4.24 you could do it in a separate function and call that in the construction script, but at least in 4.27.1 they patched that out.

[barren flower]

Right click a blank space is the folder, and select import asset

2nd from the top

[maiden wadi]

You can still call the function with the spawn actor code in 4.27.1, but it won't spawn anything.

[zealous moth]

i see, doesn't show up

[icy dragon]

Child Actor Component is not as reliable as people might think.

[maiden wadi]

It's not even that it's not reliable. It's just bad design.

[icy dragon]

I learned it the hard way.

[faint pasture]

What would be sweet is the Godot approach

[odd ember]

it's unreliable, expensive and buggy. avoid at all costs

[maiden wadi]

Imagine coding something as simple as dropping the weapon with a Child Actor Component?

[odd ember]

literally spawning an actor and attaching it is the most correct way of doing this

[maiden wadi]

You have to null the Component's actor, spawn a whole new actor, set up the values correctly, blah blah. All vs just detatching the gun you already have spawned, no state change besides owner and input.

[faint pasture]

Godot has an awesome system. It's just nested scenes all the way down. No split between component and actor.

[zealous moth]

yeah cannot seem to find it. are widgets excluded from migration?

[barren flower]

I actually dont know

Right click the folder and select validate contents?

[zealous moth]

scanned 0

[barren flower]

Is it a uasset?

When you ran the migration tool from the other project, did it say it was successful?

I know it copied the file you said

[zealous moth]

it is a uasset

i tried both migrate, import and copy paste methods

odd

[barren flower]

I concur

Honestly, restart the editor

[zealous moth]

yup on it

[faint pasture]

@zealous moth are you migrating the widget BP in question or is it just a reference by another asset?

[barren flower]

im down to that, sorry buddy, someone else might need to take a shot if that doesnt work. Ue4 should auto detect it just on the face of it and import it

[zealous moth]

the widget BP itself 😉

i downgraded it to a simple set of pictures, no data or code in it

[odd ember]

identical engine versions?

[faint pasture]

It'll migrate into the same place in the folder structure. Check if it exists on disc. That'd be weird if it didn't.

[zealous moth]

it exists

i see it

[barren flower]

Yeah it does, apparently its in his file explorer in the right folder

[faint pasture]

@zealous moth double check that both uproject files say the same engine version.

[zealous moth]

oh, wow, My version was a smidge behind, nah you're right @odd ember

[barren flower]

In the new projects folders, right? In the new projects contents folders

Ahh you lead us astray, heathen!

[zealous moth]

nah it was my bad

i assumed incorrectly

[barren flower]

You know what they say when you just assume

cant spell it without making an ass out of u and me

Anyway that gun is 100% self colliding physics I would put money on it

[zealous moth]

gun? oh the child actor thing?

[barren flower]

ye

Omg yall need to get on this shit

I finally did it

these are all instanced

[zealous moth]

splinemeshes?

HISM 😛

[barren flower]

Yup

With different textures

[zealous moth]

I made a video on this ages ago ^_^

with free project

but grats for figuring it out

[barren flower]

Oh damg, could have just watched taht

hahah

thanks man

Powerful stuff tbh

[zealous moth]

look for pending kill on YT, we stopped doing vids a year ago