lounge

[verbal junco]

haha, no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem

[deep copper]

yes, that's what i meant with Frankenstein approach

[turbid spindle]

@brisk ether, :8ball: Yes.

@brisk ether, :8ball: Signs point to yes.

[verbal junco]

PMs or producers are there to smoothen out the roughness between department leads while also managing schedule and budgets

intra studio politics are a mess though

[timber viper]

Who is responsible for solving wicked problems that matters multiple departments then

Do multiple leads come together and brainstorm or is there any authority

[verbal junco]

everyone. game development IS wicked problem solving

peppered with politics, passion and sometimes ego

[deep copper]

this basically

no problem is as simple as we imagine it

[verbal junco]

but wicked problems can also exist entirely within a department

let's say you had some code that wasn't well maintained

and it ended up accumulating tech debt

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

Of course I dont

[verbal junco]

and that people for years ignored it as it wasn't a problem, but later on it turns out to be crucial to change it

[timber viper]

I guess this is the sum of propertiary engines right

[verbal junco]

late in development. when you don't have time or manpower to deal with it

[timber viper]

Especially Activision engines 😄

[verbal junco]

that's an example of how a wicked problem can rear itself

[deep copper]

sounds like those "so we did a rewrite" softwares

[verbal junco]

you may not be able to

the tech debt may be too high

if it's a core dependency for many systems or features

then it will affect all of those

[timber viper]

Also sometimes you have money and manpower but no time

[deep copper]

deadlines are deadly yeah

[verbal junco]

this is the current state of the industry. which is why seniors are so sought after

[timber viper]

Like how each year a CoD should be released, so each studio has to improve their engines in meaning time. If there was only one studio, they would be dead already 😄

[verbal junco]

the CoD cycle was smart though

a new CoD released every year

by a cycle of 3 different studios

so each studio has 3 years to make their next CoD

[timber viper]

But still make a crap game

Thats also an achievement tbh 😄

[deep copper]

CoD isn't successful?

[verbal junco]

well if it makes money it doesn't matter if it's crap or not

[deep copper]

i thought it was doing well

[verbal junco]

see also: terrible ideas with good execution 😎

[timber viper]

They are still successful but with latest release they got some damage

[verbal junco]

people still buy the games, I'm sure

[deep copper]

as long as they make profit

[verbal junco]

media doesn't tell the full story

always worth keeping in mind

[timber viper]

I dont follow gaming media too much, I usually listen fans

[verbal junco]

well fans are the same

they come with their biases too

gaming media is written/told by fans as well

[timber viper]

But arent their emotions and expectations what matters

[verbal junco]

nope

what matters is the bottom line

however you secure that bottom line

[deep copper]

i am pretty sure you yourself said getting meme'd is advertising, and if the fans are using it, they are making profits

[verbal junco]

might differ

but for instance, for many years Blizzard could just release whatever they wanted

and fans would buy it automatically

the same for apple

because the cult of company personality was so strong

[deep copper]

if the company survives they can do anything they want, it's all about having loyal customers

also, cod is multiplayer right? one person will invite other and they usually don't shift games

[quasi mantle]

They are just numbers, what are you talking about

[verbal junco]

also on another note: as a designer, I can never take an opinion of a game at face value. if I am interested in seeing if a game is good or not, I'll need to see somehow play, and how they play it. what they say about it matters less

[quasi mantle]

The numbers matter more

The N U M B E R S

[timber viper]

"I am not gonna buy another CoD unless they do/remove X thing"

[deep copper]

i recall hating a few games but i returned to them, because i had nothing else to do that time

[quasi mantle]

And they'll buy it anyway

[verbal junco]

people have biases towards everything. they may not know what they like or don't like about a game. they may not understand what makes a game they like "good". seeing them play gives me this information for free

no biases

[deep copper]

watching kids play is informative yeah

[quasi mantle]

They're ||little imbeciles|| claiming to have biases

[deep copper]

behavioural infor

or whatever it was

[verbal junco]

yeah but tell me this: is this a written legal agreement? is it a promise that they will not break? or is it just a statement that they can't back up?

[quasi mantle]

In reality, they are fucking sheeps

[deep copper]

recall that guy who was moaning about discord policy, but was using it anyway?

[deep copper]

yes, it's because someone they like/admire/watch/follow has that bias, that they do too

[timber viper]

You guys right about they will buy the next CoD, but if they dont buy it, it just explains why. My final thought after your opinions is I guess for companies like activision it does not matter because they have enough resource to market and develop games like hell, but for a Star-Wars game it could matter more.

[timber viper]

Good example btw

[quasi mantle]

(also I have tendency to be too frontal about things)

[deep copper]

i actually don't remember if you were there at that time

[timber viper]

I was there know that convo

[verbal junco]

it depends. even star wars fans, as rabid as they may seem, will likely want to indulge themselves in their favorite world

[deep copper]

if a better rival shows up, then they may not, but if they resources, they will still buy to see it for themselves

have*

[quasi mantle]

I don't remember the convo lmfao

[verbal junco]

CoD's rivals are facing similar issues

[timber viper]

Does CoD have an equivalent though

[verbal junco]

MoH

BF

[timber viper]

Not on multiplayer side

People play for fast-paced shooter thingy

[quasi mantle]

Closest it has is Battlefield

[verbal junco]

to some extent, OW

[timber viper]

But nothing is like CoD

[deep copper]

there was based engineer i think? who was saying discord policy stops lies and is a restriction to freedom, then there was a big #lounge war about it, all i recall is ce said that was a form of moaning

[quasi mantle]

Medal of Honor is kind of irrelevant anyway

[timber viper]

No camping, no lane based level design, no medals

[verbal junco]

closest equivalence. it doesn't have to be exact. it has to be similar enough that players have that kind of experience when they play

[quasi mantle]

I'd say a form of screeching

You know like someone say REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[timber viper]

I'm also a fan of that style of games, I'd sell my liver to buy an exact equivalent of CoD

[deep copper]

yeah most probably,

[verbal junco]

british moaning, to be clear

[timber viper]

I'm looking for some kind of Torchlight vs Diablo rivalry

[verbal junco]

never gonna happen. torchlight didn't come close to the same player experience

a better equivalence (still far fetched) would be guild wars 1

[quasi mantle]

Red alert: The anti-weeb has invaded #legacy-physics

[deep copper]

but see, discord is also similar, so is fb , yt CoD etc they hold your friends family etc ",hostage", you leave the platform, you leave them, which is why after they have enough loyal customers, they won't leave so easily

[zinc matrix]

hello

[deep copper]

and they can pretty much pull of anything

[deep copper]

hey there sweetheart how's it going?

[quasi mantle]

🥜

[zinc matrix]

im very sick, all my bones and muscles hurt but i dont have covid according to the test kit

how are you guys doing

[quasi mantle]

Do you have flu symptomps?

[quasi mantle]

I'm feeling metal

[zinc matrix]

yeah i have had it all, this is day 4, but instead of getting a bit better my body jsut hurts, no more runny nose and stuff, just pain all over lol

[deep copper]

that sounds really terrible

[deep copper]

that definitely sounds like covid...

[quasi mantle]

Speaking of cramp

I nearly died to a fish bone

[deep copper]

how come?

sounds fishy

[mossy nexus]

bone in the throat?

[verbal junco]

it attacked at night

[zinc matrix]

woa

[quasi mantle]

Got a big piece of fish bone on my throat when I'm having a lunch, tried to cough it, almost died lmao

My entire body got paralysed because I coughed so hard

[zinc matrix]

😦

[quasi mantle]

Felt like grim reaper's about to pull your soul away

[deep copper]

how are you now?

[zinc matrix]

chocking is very scary

[quasi mantle]

I'm fine now
It was like last month

[deep copper]

one of my biggest fears

[deep copper]

if it's a bone, i would expect it to have, like, scratched... you know

[quasi mantle]

Well, no bleeding from that accident, miraculously enough

[deep copper]

woa, that's great

[deep copper]

also, hope you get well soon 💐

[quasi mantle]

Ended up solving it by gulping a big lump of rice, but the numb from excessive cough and vomit lasted for a day

It was scary as shit

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/there-there-love-u-so-much-heart-love-gif-17392869

[zinc matrix]

thank you

is nice to talk to some poeple sometime i go 4 days not speaking a word

but you are prob robots also

🤖

[deep copper]

hey i can solve a captcha 95% times

!8ball you can't solve a captcha right?

[turbid spindle]

@deep copper, :8ball: Outlook good.

[zinc matrix]

haha

I actually invited JadeBot to my personal discord, she replies as well pretty good bot

[deep copper]

cleaverbot integration?

clever*

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/house-lets-cut-it-knife-cleaver-gif-8385715

[zinc matrix]

I dont know, this is the page: https://top.gg/bot/410253782828449802

i tried teaching stuff, but that isn't really working so far

[verbal junco]

sounds like pretext for an AI waifu

[mossy nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-gif-13914204

[deep copper]

it uses miyuu 🤔 never heard

i recall talking to a similar bot for half a day straight, it was doing pretty good,

it learned from what i replied

[zinc matrix]

this gif gives me anxiety, how he opens it

[deep copper]

but it started saying stuff the mods didn't appreciate so it got kicked out..

[zinc matrix]

haha you remember what it was? i would like a better one than the one i have now

[unreal ether]

The only knife with a 50% chance of gutting you accidentally

[quasi mantle]

Personally I abuse chat bot with sexual conversation

[deep copper]

@quasi mantle finger cut from that would be real bad

[unreal ether]

Ohh so youre that person that teaches them naughty words

[deep copper]

i have no idea i also left the server haha

[zinc matrix]

I like how some really elderly people jsut become toddlers with grey hair

[quasi mantle]

Yes, I'm a perverted man in artificial space

[unreal ether]

Ive always wondered who it is behind those grand schemes

[zinc matrix]

oh okay

[quasi mantle]

My bad, I thought you linked to the cleaver GIF

[zinc matrix]

Now we know who to blame when the robots take over 😄

[deep copper]

i prefer suggestive conversations instead of direct words, people have quite the imagination that goes well with those

[verbal junco]

and y'all making the channel degenerate again

[deep copper]

i did i think

[unreal ether]

I mean on the upside if there is a robot uprising at least we know they wont kill us

[deep copper]

if it keeps #lounge alive, for the #lounge !!

[verbal junco]

sometimes you gotta let it go

[deep copper]

...

[unreal ether]

Rule 6 be damned!!!!!

Viva la revolution

Or something idk...

[deep copper]

rule 34 ahoy

or 24

[zinc matrix]

😆 you guys are funny. I'm gonna lie down for a bit cu later

[deep copper]

idk

[deep copper]

take care!

[quasi mantle]

There have to be balance between degeneracy and philosophy

You can be a degenerate talking deep shit

[unreal ether]

Although all of this puts an entirely different spin on my game about a robot uprising

[verbal junco]

I say nothing deep lol

but also #rules etc.

and making lounge seem like a nice place to others

[deep copper]

it's like artists taking references from real people a bit too much, "it's for art"

[quasi mantle]

Please don't bore me with another David Cage-ish robots uprising story

[unreal ether]

Do we have any rough idea when ue5 will hit full release

[verbal junco]

2030

[unreal ether]

Sounds about right

[deep copper]

as long as the preview becomes stable enough

[quasi mantle]

If not GDC, then some gaming conventions

[verbal junco]

I wouldn't bank on anything

and I doubt there's any UE5 feature you desperately need right now anyway

[unreal ether]

Nah there isnt

[quasi mantle]

Oh yes.

The animation stuff

[deep copper]

people spamming nanite

[unreal ether]

I just like the ui

[quasi mantle]

Nanite/Lumen is not that big of Messiah

Change my mind

[unreal ether]

I will not cause i fully agree

[deep copper]

it's not if you know how to make a game

[verbal junco]

my point is you can release your game just as well without any of the new features

or if you can't, you're going to wait for years anyway since they won't be fully ready by the 5.0 release anyway

[quasi mantle]

I stick to my words of sticking with UE4.27

[unreal ether]

It seems more of an excuse for 12million poly models with no extra detail than a low poly version, nut thats a debate ive had already

[verbal junco]

I'm only half kidding when I said I'll switch to UE5 when it hits 5.4

[unreal ether]

I just use 4.26 cause its what i have installed

And clicking the new install engine button seems like hard work

[deep copper]

i don't want to deal with new bugs in new engine

[quasi mantle]

If it weren't for my machinima project, I have no incentive to plan my modifications on UE5.

[unreal ether]

I make games, i dont do hard work smh

[verbal junco]

ironically there is a bug in 4.27.2 that they won't fix for UE4 but is fixed in UE5EA

😔

[deep copper]

i don't even do that

[unreal ether]

Now thats just a bit stinky

[deep copper]

oh yeah, i heard of that, what was it about?

[verbal junco]

I don't know what you heard

I haven't spoken about it

[deep copper]

i heard someone complain of that in lounge

a bug fixed in ue5 but not ue4

[verbal junco]

anyway it's not a big deal

[quasi mantle]

Apply cold water to burned area

[verbal junco]

which is also why I haven't mentioned it

[unreal ether]

Oh i think it was called my 1 billion triangles crash the editor

👀

[verbal junco]

it's just an ensure that freezes dev builds

for up to 30 seconds

the first time you encounter it

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't the Coalition complained about it?

They complained about it in their GDC presentation for UE5

[unreal ether]

Whats lumen all about anyway

I just know its lights, but we have lights, so lumen = pointless?

[verbal junco]

I wanna seize these too

[dim ruin]

Finally upgraded!

[verbal junco]

I feel like russian boats are fair game now

[quasi mantle]

Seem like partly the same thing GTA V has doing

[verbal junco]

you see a russian boat around the local marina?

annex it

[dim ruin]

Stores actually have stock now sorta

[verbal junco]

claim it being "seized"

[unreal ether]

Can i just seize the country, ive always wanted to have a country

Ill just turn it into 1 massive greggs

[verbal junco]

nobody is gonna give you the stink eye

[deep copper]

#lounge message

[verbal junco]

something something nuclear deterrence

[deep copper]

i think you did

[verbal junco]

not in detail though

[unreal ether]

Ye but what if i just bring lead, a well known counter for blah blah something radiation

[deep copper]

bounce lights realtime

[unreal ether]

Ah makes sensw

[verbal junco]

it's all marketing fads

or archviz stuff

[quasi mantle]

In GTA V, you have cheap dynamic reflections by using lowest LOD of meshes.

Which in UE, only possible with Lumen

[unreal ether]

Ah that makes even more sense, thanks

[deep copper]

anything russian : free real estate

[verbal junco]

turn an old leaded fridge into a car and drive into

nobody is going to be abled to stop you

[unreal ether]

Precisely my point, then begin construction of the greggs, and once they taste the sweet, sweet sausage rolls they wont wanna stop me

[quasi mantle]

Remember anti weeb from a while ago? See #legacy-physics

[deep copper]

you mentioned it atleast four times before in not enough detail it seems

[unreal ether]

Thats the same guy?

[verbal junco]

it's not the banned guy I don't think

[quasi mantle]

Same guy with the one in #animation

[verbal junco]

unless the banned guy got banned agian

and this is now his third account

where he's actually asking help from a weeb

[deep copper]

aww he hates being ignored by you

[verbal junco]

must be bittersweet

[unreal ether]

Damn must be desparate

[quasi mantle]

कर्म is a female dog eh

[deep copper]

the question is quite lame from the looks of it, so probably just attention seeking

[unreal ether]

I miss a lot, i just lurk in #ue4-general
#blueprint
And here

[deep copper]

same with the last question

they are just targetting mako it seems

[verbal junco]

#ue4-general is hard mode

you gotta withstand maximum blast

#blueprint you slowly lose your sanity

[deep copper]

everytime i go there i feel like i lost something important

as if i am taking some mental heresy damage or whatever that is

[unreal ether]

Anyome here from uk?

[verbal junco]

I literally feel like I say the same 5 to 10 things in blueprint over and over again

sometimes to new people, sometimes to the same people

I am UK based

[deep copper]

what's that about?

[unreal ether]

Did you go to EGX in London a few years back

[verbal junco]

no

[unreal ether]

Ah

[verbal junco]

last conf I've been to was gdc 2015

[mossy nexus]

Londongrad

[unreal ether]

I did and gor randomly searched for bombs like 10 times. Wanted to know if it was just me lmao

[verbal junco]

strange thing to bring up

[mossy nexus]

it's you. it's always you.

[unreal ether]

Damn

[deep copper]

AH i finally got what you meant 🤣

[verbal junco]

is this in your language? 🤔

[unreal ether]

I get what you mean there, it always is the very beginner questions, ut then again its not that surprising

[verbal junco]

I don't know, the questions can vary, but the answers mostly remain the same

[deep copper]

yes or no, both give out equal info you know?

[verbal junco]

why can't I have actor A do stuff that A needs to do in actor B?

why would you

[deep copper]

most #blueprint questions are not understanding how #blueprint or classes or actors work in general

[unreal ether]

I mean thats a fair question if you dont understand OOP

[quasi mantle]

Worst case scenario, trying to shoehorn Unity's principle into Unreal's OOP way of doing things

[deep copper]

and tbf, bp makes it harder at first

[verbal junco]

and understanding OOP would solve about 80% of issues posted in blueprint

[unreal ether]

It would

[verbal junco]

I see some people in there have a real good grasp of it doing really well

[unreal ether]

Blueprints confused the hell out of me until i went and learned c++ and oop

[verbal junco]

which is enjoyable

makes helping them seem worthwhile

[quasi mantle]

I think OOP is fun and more understandable than whatever Unity's reliance on component is

[deep copper]

same

[quasi mantle]

I forgot the term again, shit

[verbal junco]

technically unity uses OOP as well. but I don't know how they integrate their framework on top of it

[cursive crypt]

Kompotes

[deep copper]

unity had c# only right?

no bp stuff

[verbal junco]

yes but OOP transcends individual languages

it's a paradigm

[deep copper]

yes, js and python are also oop

OOP*

[verbal junco]

I had next to no cpp experience when I started using BPs

but I'd been using C# extensively beforehand

[verbal junco]

well... no

[quasi mantle]

I think it's more like OOP is less practically used in Unity

[verbal junco]

I believe python is multi paradigm

[quasi mantle]

At least you don't say PHP is OOP

[verbal junco]

same for java script

[deep copper]

js is technically not oop but oop like

[quasi mantle]

Laravel is the worst attempt at making PHP OOP-like

[verbal junco]

what I'd love for blueprints to have been would be a really strongly typed language that would bonk you for everything

[deep copper]

or xml or something

[verbal junco]

because it would force people to learn it

java is diehard strongly typed

it will not let you make any mistakes

the compiler will eat you up

which is good

[deep copper]

java requires a bit too much setup though right?

[quasi mantle]

I believe UnrealScipt also strongly typed

[verbal junco]

let's see what Verse turns out to be

[verbal junco]

not sure the relevance is

[timber viper]

Verse will be.. extraordinary

[verbal junco]

I'm using it as an example of a language that does what I think BP should be doing

to make players understand the language better

[quasi mantle]

I still have no faith in Verse

[deep copper]

uh its a question

[verbal junco]

yes but what is the context

we're not talking about using java

we're talking about the concept of java as a language

[quasi mantle]

Sidetrack curiousity is banned

[unreal ether]

The one annoying thing with ue is that you can continue play in editor even with errors, which leads some newbies to thinking they can ignore em

Also screw java

[timber viper]

They look like they are doing a great job developing it but I doubt the 'goal' itself is likeable at all for many C++ developers

[unreal ether]

I hate java

[verbal junco]

I can't answer questions that I don't understand

[quasi mantle]

It's less annoying than assertion check every single time

[unreal ether]

Eh i dunnooo

[quasi mantle]

Though imagine if BP error is as punishable as assertion failure

[verbal junco]

yeah I mean it's terrible, I wouldn't use it. especially since C# offers the better deal with .net integration as well. but you can't deny that it is a helpful language for newbies

[deep copper]

i meant question as in my question not a remark on on-going discussion 😅, it's okay, if you don't want to answer though

[verbal junco]

I don't know how to answer it

I don't know what you mean by it

[unreal ether]

I guess i cant argue that

[quasi mantle]

I can't hold a fart

[verbal junco]

it's going to be some form of haskell I'm sure

[timber viper]

People say its a bastard son of Haskell & Python

[verbal junco]

or multi paradigm functional language

[unreal ether]

Ive been having to use c# for a new uni project, and as primarily a c++ dev it feels viscerally wrong to be using new everywhere

[verbal junco]

sounds about right

[deep copper]

see it this way, you see this question in some forum "does java requires a bit too much setup than other languages in average?"

[verbal junco]

I have more faith in whatever Jon Blow is cooking up tbh

[timber viper]

What is haskell about though

[verbal junco]

but unlikely for epic to adopt that

it's a functional language

[deep copper]

do you have to?

[verbal junco]

I guess it depends on the context... what use case?

[quasi mantle]

I don't know, it just sort of rhymed

[verbal junco]

if you have to setup java to run on a non failure hardware like medical equipment, then you'd probably need to set it up so you can test it on that hardware. but that's not too dissimilar to setting up devkits for testing UE code to run on console devkits

[verbal junco]

have you ever tried functional languages?

[quasi mantle]

It would be nice if there's a non-compiled language that syntaxed like C/C++

Coz Lua's syntaxing kinda suuuucks

[timber viper]

Not yet

[verbal junco]

because coming from OOP I felt like I had to be rewired to understand them

[unreal ether]

I mean surely we can agree theyre all better than ASM

Fuck ASM

[verbal junco]

not sure what ASM is

[quasi mantle]

And I learn it for retro coding lmao

[timber viper]

Assembly probably

[quasi mantle]

Assembly

[unreal ether]

I am forced against my will to learn it

[verbal junco]

assembly you can at least understand the concept of the stack

[unreal ether]

jmp this, jmp that, cmp cause why not

[quasi mantle]

Did some funny mask man force you to learn Assembly across the monitor?

[deep copper]

i heard lorash say some assembly 1650 or something is good, i think mako also liked it

[verbal junco]

functional languages is like writing a complete paragraph without a single period, and you have to figure out yourself when to take a break

[quasi mantle]

You mean Assembly 6502?

[deep copper]

yes,

i got 2 number correct

[unreal ether]

You see i am forced to use regular old inline assembly for another uni project

And it hurts

[quasi mantle]

It's basically Assembly for 6502 CPU, which is what's powering C64 and NES

[verbal junco]

I guarantee you there are worse, non esoteric languages out there

[unreal ether]

Although it does give me mad respect for the guy that made rollercoaster tycoon

[quasi mantle]

But I had fascination with MS-DOS (x86) more than C64

[unreal ether]

I mean actually brainfuck is way worse.

[deep copper]

#lounge is #cpp once again

[unreal ether]

But we domt talk about that

[quasi mantle]

At least Brainfuck is esolang

[deep copper]

back to it's glory from degeneracy

[unreal ether]

You see i dint even know what that means

[verbal junco]

yeah but that's esolang. I'm talking non esoteric.

also brainfuck has a 2d version

[unreal ether]

Devops, full stack, they are all meaningless to me

I am unstoppable

[quasi mantle]

Personally I still prefer C over ASM but I had to learn both for retro coding

[deep copper]

just know you will evolve one day

[verbal junco]

where XY position matters

[deep copper]

:/ why both

[unreal ether]

Subsystems are just a synonym for useless

[deep copper]

do C and asm go well together?

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/restraint-no-restraint-hold-me-back-gif-13416230

[verbal junco]

everything gets converted to assembly

[quasi mantle]

Both because:
ASM x86 - I want to learn boot sector programming
C - I want to do retro programming

[verbal junco]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[quasi mantle]

Granted, most retro programming can be cheesed with C

[deep copper]

so like BP to C++?

[quasi mantle]

I know there's a C transpiler for NES

[verbal junco]

cpp ends up being assembly as well

[quasi mantle]

BP to machine language

Assembly is kind of the lowest point after machine language

[verbal junco]

assembly is the closest layer we have to manipulating hardware directly

so short of telling the cpu which transistor to open and close

it's what you'd use to make use of a cpu

[deep copper]

so assembly is the last thing we have before it goes text to actually action?

[verbal junco]

the cpu takes direct action based on assembly input

languages like C and C++ are very close to this, which is why they are being used widely (cpp in particular)

because you can do anything

you can optimize for every single cpu cycle

[unreal ether]

All jokes aside i do like he sound of subsystems

[timber viper]

If you are developing a performance-critical system you often open ASM output of your code and try to see what has an additional step for CPU, then try to optimize further

If you are mad enough you write asm directly to optimize even further

see:

performance-critical

[verbal junco]

GB manifests

[quasi mantle]

Thankfully most retro platform has C compilers nowadays.

[deep copper]

there's also no auto garbage collection or auto memory allocation 😢 , too much control

[unreal ether]

Although some of them do increase bloat a bit for small programs

[quasi mantle]

And you don't control much with retro console specs

[verbal junco]

it's a blank canvas. a skilled artist knows what to do with it, but a beginner may struggle

[quasi mantle]

You only have so much room in Famicom, full hardware control is a must. Even with bank switching

[timber viper]

Unless you are working with AI framework

[quasi mantle]

CryEngine cries in the corner

[verbal junco]

don't get me started on the AI module

[timber viper]

Miezsko cries together with CryEngine

[verbal junco]

miezsko moved to cryengine?

[timber viper]

Nah just because of how bad is AI module

[unreal ether]

I love ue, my tutor is tryina convince me i should make my own engine for every single game

[deep copper]

i remember people working on microchips(?) using tiny OSes and dealing with tiny memory to do stuff

[verbal junco]

hence why I wrote my AI code avoiding it

[timber viper]

New AI systems also gonna cry after a few UE versions

Also its not about being abandoned

Its implemented very badly at the first place

[deep copper]

"performance critical" i suppose

[verbal junco]

I still need an AI controller for my AI as a technicality, but short of that everything else is independent

well I hijacked behavior trees for camera logic because I could

[quasi mantle]

You mean EEPROMs?

[timber viper]

I'm writing my own, hopefully it will be finished in a few months 😔

[deep copper]

i have no idea what it was

[verbal junco]

utility?

[timber viper]

Yeah

[verbal junco]

rooting for you

[deep copper]

it just had very low specs and it was a processor of sorts

[unreal ether]

Not even that, its because "We are the people that make the tools, not use them"

But my argument is, im not about to spend 3 years making an engine for a crappy 3d platformer

[quasi mantle]

Arduinos?

[verbal junco]

and recreate your own base class types. who needs AActor anyway

[quasi mantle]

I'm spending time making 64KB demo engine lol

[timber viper]

Thankfully I dont care/know enough ECS and UE5 did it for me 😄

[mossy nexus]

no no, you need AN actor not A actor... sheesh people these days

[timber viper]

Next step is deciding to create an RTS and you know the rest

[deep copper]

that does rings a bell

[deep copper]

.. you don't make games?

[quasi mantle]

At least making demoscene engine, interactivity is not much of a concern

I'm going to call it AKB64

[unreal ether]

Its computer science for games, so the focus is more making tools for games

But also has a lot of general software developement

[deep copper]

not yet

[unreal ether]

We do make games, but we are only allowed libraries like sfml and directx

We have done engine work too but only for like 3 weeks

I think we can use an engine for our final project tho idk

[quasi mantle]

The name AKB64 has many cheeky reference:

• A 64 KB demo engine
• It's being developed under pseudonym Akiba Crew
• It's a spoonerism to AKB48

[deep copper]

i feel like using an engine will help you understand how it works, but the takeaway being don't depend on it?

[quasi mantle]

BTW the anti weeb started attacking others in #graphics

[deep copper]

spoonerism?

[deep copper]

not #level-design ?

[quasi mantle]

No, he cause ruckus in #graphics

[deep copper]

i wonder what it's like to hug him

[verbal junco]

#graphics message I love this, calling someone a fool is OG

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/frenship-singing-all-fools-gold-1000nights-gif-11763357

[deep copper]

watching them is just so enjoyable we absolutely forgot to call the mods on them

maybe they are chronically angry

they were too angry because the med wasn't the shape of their throat or something so they didn't take it

[quasi mantle]

Maybe no dose of metal to angry for

[verbal junco]

I mean clearly there's some unresolved issues if they go around hating on weebs

and act like this

as long as it doesn't devolve into a dependency

[deep copper]

i will just send a seperate 😔

[verbal junco]

that's one of the reasons I'm not on medication

[median wraith]

what

[deep copper]

you see, some people just don't want to fix it, if it's not broken to them, why worry?

[verbal junco]

#graphics being real 🍿

I think I might have to bring back calling people "fool"

[deep copper]

call me a fool <3

jk

[verbal junco]

don't make it weird now

it was going so well

#lounge almost made of a full recovery

[quasi mantle]

Bodoh

[deep copper]

sorry it was way too tempting 😔

[quasi mantle]

(if you want to be a bit more rude, use "goblok" or "bego")

[deep copper]

what if i use all three?

[verbal junco]

I mean he could just acknowledge that UE uses -y as forward and go with it instead of saying "FORWARD == +X OR RIOT"

[deep copper]

is it a valid sentence?

[deep copper]

which is why I don't think they will take meds, they are either right or the world is wrong

[quasi mantle]

Only one of them. It's a variant.

"Kamu merusak komputernya, goblok!"

[median wraith]

In spain the people don't even talk anymore 🤣

[verbal junco]

have you tried our lord and savior, the epic blender export plugin? I recommend

[deep copper]

i like komputernya lol

[verbal junco]

I don't believe this. y'all speak so fast I refuse to believe nobody is talking anymore

[quasi mantle]

Suffix "-nya" is sort of equivalent to "the"

[verbal junco]

I was going to say, ||you fool!||

310 wpm

[deep copper]

that's a nice way of using it, also at the end lol

[verbal junco]

that's like machinegun speed

[quasi mantle]

Also "tolol"

"Tolol" is the more rude variant

[median wraith]

that happen with every language when you don't know it properly or so and have to split word by word in order to get it 👀
Like that happened to me

[deep copper]

reminds me of LOLOLOL

[verbal junco]

so are you now one of many mute spaniards?

west coast mexico sounds like it has a lot of rappers

[quasi mantle]

Bukan itu, tolol

[median wraith]

In spanish the people tends to interrupt as the sentences composition isn't like in english, so you know what they are talking about from very first, still that's isn't a good manner

[deep copper]

xD

[median wraith]

what you mean 👀

[quasi mantle]

Also, the indonesian F-bomb is ||ngentot||

Has the same literal meaning

[verbal junco]

well you said you stopped talking to each other

mi boludo

[deep copper]

how do you even "nge"?

[median wraith]

Well in spain the people likes football too, means no much

I don't

[verbal junco]

nuye, probably

[verbal junco]

I agree, football can go the way of the dodo

[verbal junco]

just going by the chinese equivalent here

I know nothing of this language

[quasi mantle]

"ng" is pronounced like the first consonant in "angle" (at least that's how I pronounce it) but G is silent

The difference is that G is not silent if it's "ngg"

[deep copper]

that's rather weird, because so far nearly most words you typed had shoutable vowels

[verbal junco]

pick your next letters carefully

[deep copper]

this sound isn't that shoutable at start

[quasi mantle]

Also E in ||ngentot|| is pronounced "eh"

[deep copper]

or previous "hngg"

[quasi mantle]

It actually happens a while ago, some foreigner on Twitter mistaken "nggak" as the N-word, and "nggak" sometimes truncated to "ngga"

[deep copper]

unfortunate language barriers

[quasi mantle]

In Indonesian, last K in a word is sometimes silent

It reads as a full stop '

The K being silent is kind of a side effect of Javanese dialect

[deep copper]

so k is a fullstop as in, i can go kamu merusak komputernyak?

[quasi mantle]

No, not like that

[deep copper]

so it's just for a few words something like abrupt A sound end?

[quasi mantle]

I should point it out in better way, it's a side effect of Javanese dialect.

[deep copper]

i am not sure what that is like but i see

[quasi mantle]

Pardon my misinformation, I forgot that it's a dialect side effect, not a language wide thing

[deep copper]

hmmm, i think i get the jist of it

g*

[quasi mantle]

I guess now Canadian dialect is a breed from Betawi dialect?

(for clarification, that's originally a Betawi word)

[deep copper]

i thought canadian were , less aggressive

[quasi mantle]

Betawi is certainly more "colourful" than eastern Javanese (except some part of East Java)

[deep copper]

another java, does it also needs more setup?

[quasi mantle]

Nah, there's barely any setup, just the matter of getting used to.

To make things funny, there's also dedicated Javanese letters.

[deep copper]

like, é?

[quasi mantle]

ꦄꦏ꧀ꦱꦫ ꦗꦮ

Oh wow, Discord font doesn't support it

Go figure

[deep copper]

let me check browsers

[quasi mantle]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javanese_script

[deep copper]

those?

it looks so, curvy

yet, boxy

it's like those square eggs

[verbal junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBdEnP4q2Sg

[verbal junco]

is this finland as well?

I only linked it because of the accent you posted

betcha sounds profoundly wisconsian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcXGqemhIg

I was not being bully

!

[signal citrus]

https://youtu.be/oiSzwoJr4-0

[verbal junco]

oh that's right you were from there no?

[signal citrus]

Ye

[verbal junco]

the customs are fascinating

I like three offer rule

[signal citrus]

Lmao yea

[quasi mantle]

Now I learn North American state dialects

Though as a foreigner I kinda mix up anyway (even mixing up British spelling with American words/grammars)

[verbal junco]

I hate to say it but mostly american spelling is the correct spelling

[deep copper]

as long as there's no miscommunication

grey or gray

[quasi mantle]

Grey

[deep copper]

because the keys are closer?

[quasi mantle]

Because British spelling I guess

[deep copper]

how do you tell which is which spelling 🤔

i know color , colour, extra u is british mostly

[verbal junco]

the extra u's aren't helping readability

so IMO they shouldn't be there

[timber viper]

Reminds me of this: https://youtu.be/A1catDy3sJ0

boha-of-wadâ

[deep copper]

it's also slower to type

and o u are easy to mix up in position

[quasi mantle]

Didn't feel it that way

And my average was around 72 WPM

(i'm not a fast typer i know)

[deep copper]

perhaps not, but an extra keystroke should add a few milliseconds maybe??? because other stuff is still intact

..what

[verbal junco]

I bought all of this extra coke in anticipation of this whisky just not being good, and ended up not using it

what a fortunate find

[deep copper]

extra coke might come in handy later, win win

[verbal junco]

it's not beer so hopefully not 🙏

[median wraith]

people keep asking why this as child feel as a terror film

as adult still more creepy than many horror films

[verbal junco]

so you're telling me you never had a basement alien growing up?

[median wraith]

Maybe I was the alien itself

[verbal junco]

spoiler: ||we all were||

[median wraith]

man, you all lost the sex appeal then

[verbal junco]

I never had any to begin with 😂

nah jaykay

[thick belfry]

Yo guys whatsup

[deep copper]

all good, how are you doing no

now*?

[thick belfry]

Im fine

Finishing my application

Deadline coming really close now

Still a lot to do

But Ill manage I think

[deep copper]

wasn't it march 11...?

[thick belfry]

Nope march 14

Ive pretty much spent the last week in editing videos, making diagrams and infographics

Its been really fun

[deep glen]

good luck!

https://twitter.com/GhislainGir/status/1502027357481320448

Ghislain Girardot (@GhislainGir)

#UnrealEngine #UE4 #UE5

Ship it😅 https://t.co/rMnQ9cb1TK

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[unreal ether]

anyone got some good guides for video editing, I have come to the realisation that i will eventually need to make a trailer, and i wanna do devlogs too so i will have to bite the bullet

also any reccomendations for software

preferably free

I would love to use prem pro, but thats expensive

[deep glen]

cant give advice on guides, but take a look at davinci resolve. the free version is generally more than enough.

[unreal ether]

Ill definitely have a look into that thanks

You can video edit with blender!?

[verbal junco]

things I learned playing a plague tale: benjamin franklin was a fraud for claiming to invent eyeglasses in the presence of reading stones

[knotty skiff]

Never seen an ARMA 3 Map that has nice interior design before

Oh God the map itself is alive

[cursive crypt]

How is that game? After Hellblade, I bought it, but I haven't reached yet the resolve to play it.

[deep copper]

good thing you enjoy it atleast!

[left granite]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-longtime-years-later-its-been84years-rose-dawson-gif-5453439

[quasi mantle]

sup

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-girl-sup-gif-24171178

[quasi mantle]

It's heavy rain again

[deep copper]

you don't like rain?

[quasi mantle]

No :(

Even though I make rain in Unreal

[deep copper]

too humid?

[quasi mantle]

Probably, but it's like gambling whether something bad happens on Event Tick

[deep copper]

flood?

[quasi mantle]

No.

I'm not in Jakarta, so I'm safe from flood dangers

[deep copper]

if it's not flood then random bad event is scary

not like flood is good

[zinc matrix]

Yeah we just had some bad flooding

reminiscent of some we got about ten years ago

and that was meant to be only a once-in-a-century event lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHfvsLyysg&ab_channel=MURDASHOW

ain't nothing like some cod stream in the morning

👌

but whenever I jump in the game I rage quit in like 15-30 mins lol

[fathom wadi]

probably because it sucks

[zinc matrix]

idk

when you get that action in one place it's fun

but running around sucks

even though design is nice

[fathom wadi]

often AAA games prove you can polish a turd 😄

[fleet tangle]

EA is the turd polish conglomerate.

[deep copper]

i wonder if this also proves that if you have enough resources you can make anything work

[deep copper]

yes meow

[zinc matrix]

guys, pls, check this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCwYsb_t96M and if u can, support ukrainean red cross

[deep copper]

as long as i don't get wet, yes

[ancient ingot]

give me snow any day !

[timber viper]

Its snowy here

[twin bison]

/opt-in daily ping

[cursive crypt]

oh no, another bro nick.

[timber viper]

Do you guys plan to take over this server

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cockroach-gif-17926906

[deep copper]

we are a peaceful family. we don't intend to take over the server, but the server is free to be a part of our family 🥰

[timber viper]

we don't intend to take over the server
I'm not interested then

[deep glen]

hehe, good luck trying <_<

[deep copper]

our goal, is to not just take over a mere discord server, it's to take over this planet! convert as many things we can to a brother ! if it moves it can be a brother 😈

[deep glen]

silly borg

[mossy nexus]

I refuse to live in a world with no sisters

[deep glen]

XD i got you fam

[deep copper]

also welcome to the brotherhood ! ❤️ 🍻 💋 🥳

[deep glen]

https://i.gyazo.com/1534cd06e68412c5a9f289be60e4159d.png
@mossy nexus

[deep copper]

Moa's nickname is owned by Luos - Yoeri Vleer at this point

[deep glen]

*luos

[mossy nexus]

yeah

[deep copper]

oops sorry

[hearty hearth]

hey guys, how do you think you could give purpose andactual objectives to a simulator game

[deep copper]

isn't the purpose to simulate something?

[hearty hearth]

An idea I had in mind was to include platformer elements and collectables

[quasi mantle]

Nice

[hearty hearth]

Well my current ideaseems to only really entail 1 hour ofgameplay

Essentially it is a simulator for wildlife on antarctica

[cursive crypt]

Is it kinda the same playstyle?

oof, lol

Ookay, I heard good things about it, but it just stays in the backlog.

Is it long?

[quasi mantle]

Make the player watch a paint dry

[deep copper]

what do you mean by "one hour of gameplay" exactly? does it repeats after that? you reach the end of some story? aren't simulators, repetitive ? like a truck just driving places is truck sim etc or life sim entails every thing that could possibly happen in the life etc

[quasi mantle]

If the player runs away, the Asian parent will come in and give spanking

[deep copper]

can it even dry in such cold?

[cursive crypt]

So, it is about the same as Hellblade. It is mostly cinematic experience anyway.

[quasi mantle]

No, but don't tell the player

[deep copper]

either way you get to watch something interesting, good idea!

[quasi mantle]

Make it glitchy as hell, like Goat Simulator

[hearty hearth]

@deep copper well at this point all you can do is walk around like a pinguin and swim to eat fish but other than that there is nothing

I feel like there is no purpose to aim at with just this unless I add something as some kind of end goal?

or make it multiplayer but that is a bad idea as I am a novice at gamedev

I'll have to check thatgame

[quasi mantle]

The fact that you went with antarctica, which is basically a frozen no man's land, won't help.

If you can't give fun gameplay, at least give some eyecandy.

Personally I think the appeal of ETS2 is driving around varying urban city.

[quasi mantle]

https://youtu.be/ZAqwbhoAp7Q

[deep copper]

"the mod"

[deep copper]

does the fish vary? can you explore stuff while swimming? are there predators? does the penguin grow with what they eat or something? how are you handling day/night/evening etc? you might be able to expand on these if you want to, but don't go wild with stuff you didn't plan at start, because that's probably not the fun part of it, keep in mind why you started making it if possible. it's easy to forget why you thought it would have been fun while thinking it up 🙃

[ancient ingot]

i want to be a brother !!!

[median wraith]

well that's cool

[deep copper]

i am glad you feel so !! and you won't regret it 🥰 ! just nickname yourself in the format "brother {n}{extra info (optional)}" where n is an integer, ..aand you are done! it's as simple as that to be a part of this family <3

[ancient ingot]

😄

[deep copper]

while i am glad to have you onboard, i wasn't clear enough with the possible numbers it seems! sorry! we already have a 5 it appears.

brothers have been uniquely indexed so far , we have -1, 3, and 6 positions open rn! it would be nice if you can switch to those,

or we will bend the rules a bit...

[unreal ether]

Might have to become a brother

[ancient ingot]

hmm oki im flexible with numbers

🙂

[unreal ether]

I was considering the good ol computer science NaN

Wait am i an inverse brother

Does this make me a sister

[deep copper]

welcome to the brotherhood! @ancient ingot @unreal ether ❤️ 💋 🍻 🔥 🥳 🤯 love to have you both in the family <3

[deep copper]

dw about the small details! unless you specify we will treat you as a brother

[unreal ether]

Now this is a family

We just need to get a mod as a brother now

[ancient ingot]

thank you thank you i'm so happy to be part of this exclusive family woooohooo ♥️ ♥️

ask Luos

[deep copper]

aye aye ! 🫂

[ancient ingot]

🫂

[deep copper]

Luos has been keeping an eye 👁️ on us so far, again, we won't force people, if they feel like it, they can join us anytime !

[unreal ether]

🫂

[deep copper]

so how has everyone's day been going so far?

[ancient ingot]

fine, just chilling in minecraft

sounds neat !

[deep copper]

that's neat :)

tbf that name would get more attention

that's a very interesting name as well actually 🤣

btw i thought your tool was already done

how caring ❤️

[cursive crypt]

Ship it.

[ancient ingot]

god i hate doing castle roofs in Minecraft 😡

[cursive crypt]

Isn't roblox more popular anyway?

[ancient ingot]

i play both (with my daughter)

[median wraith]

man do someone here plays hunt showdown ?

the game always join me with incompetents

@zinc matrix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aW-Vtt0E9I&ab_channel=AJollyWangcore 👀

[verbal junco]

It's OK. it has some interesting ideas but often it devolves into "find out what the designer intended"

[cursive crypt]

What they have intended? I don't think I understand what do you mean.

[verbal junco]

they have certain puzzles that are a bit obtuse where you feel like you could find your own solution to them. But if you do, you'll receive a bonk from the game and die for not doing exactly what the designer intended

[cursive crypt]

Ah, I see. Only the pre-defined solutions work.

Hmm... puzzles, I thought it is more cinematic experience. Hellbalde had puzzles too, but they were quite basic, you just needed time to get through them. I don't think it was possible to workaround them at all.

[verbal junco]

There's a lot of cinematics that I just wholesale skipped

I'm not interested in watching a movie while playing a game

also there's some really silly narrative later in the game

[cursive crypt]

Seems it was also not your gameplay too.

Ok, thanks 👍

[verbal junco]

gameplay is ok but there's a lot of stuff to keep track of, especially later on

[timber viper]

I have zero patience for lack of guidance in puzzles

I often rage quit and delete games immediately

[cursive crypt]

You can duck them though.

However, I agree. Especially some modern old-school adventure quests - back to pixel hunting and trying all the combos of items.

Because all of them make sense to you, but not to the designer.

[deep copper]

this is the main reason i never play puzzle games now, no matter how much anyone recommends one

[hearty hearth]

Thanks! yes there would be predators, I am trying to think of an end goal. For example pinguins migrate from place to place, have colonies etc. so I could try do something with that.

The reason I go with an all ice environment is becausethis is a obe man hobby project. I can't do overly complicated big things. My only other idea was just making a platformer.

[deep copper]

that sounds interesting! goodluck with it 😁

and yeah, it's extremely vital to realise the restrictions of one man hobby projects, and work within it. you have that down so good going so far 👍

[verbal junco]

yeah it's not great when it happens. some places I feel like I skirted by with my own solution but almost died trying

like in one case I think I was supposed to ||swarm some rats over some guys who were still alive|| to gain free passage, but the thought didn't even cross my mind that that was the solution. so I figured out another solution that almost got the ||rats to kill me||. the game ironically treated it as if ||I had killed those guys|| with how the dialogue afterwards went

[cursive crypt]

I'm tempted to click on these spoilers, but I won't.

[verbal junco]

try the game

see if it's your flavor

these are just my impressions™️

[cursive crypt]

I bought it because Hellblade.
May try it when my PC gets back from the freaking Corsair repair center :/

[verbal junco]

I think hellblade is the better game between the two

but also I only got a plague tale because it was free on epic store

I don't think I would have bought it of my own volition

[unreal cedar]

imo a plague tale is a great game that doesn't do anything particularly outstanding or revolutionary, but it does everything very well. I also appreciate the somewhat unique setting - grounded fantasy set in inquisition and black plague era france is definitely not common.

[verbal junco]

I did see some people saying it was "great". perhaps I'm just having too high standards

but like with the example I gave above, I don't think that should be in a "great" game

I also think the game has a problem of thinking too highly of itself and its own characters/narrative. it assumes that you identify with and like the characters from the onset and does nothing to make them likeable otherwise

and I think there's issues with things that are extremely gamey, like hitboxes being weird. I was leaping over an obstacle while being chased by a dude, and mid leap it just snaps to the main character getting impaled and dying

so I wouldn't exactly call the game great, because that cheapens the label for games that are actually great

[cursive crypt]

Oh no, Vanced got into troubles: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vanced/comments/tdazfr/discontinuation_of_the_vanced_project

The evil ads have won

[unreal cedar]

rip

[remote fog]

I always notice cool things when they die.

[timber viper]

Same, first time hearing

[verbal junco]

anyone with any engineering experience with gloves?

I'm wondering if there is a glove out there that has a touchpad built in

[burnt lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/938527996757835798/952660921833123850/comments_of_the_deranged.gif

[timber viper]

To make phones detect your finger while you are wearing the glove or did I misunderstood?

[solid hull]

Obtain gems by doing “money fingers” gesture.

[verbal junco]

rather a touchpad built into a glove

[verbal junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJUMWg6zNWI

[quasi mantle]

Brother 3 seem to gave up

[timber viper]

I made a simple helper plugin to automatically organize folders in World Outliner, if anyone is interested: https://github.com/intaxwashere/intaxeditor

[zinc matrix]

Oops, I'm back

[deep copper]

intax washer e

intax was here

intax wash ere

[timber viper]

Intax was taken, so I inspired by "Jinx was here" from League of Legends 🤷‍♂️ 😄

[deep copper]

o

since it's a cleaning thing, wash also made sense

well someone only making cleaning tools would be weird

[deep copper]

so like smart watch style screen but on the glove? or just a "laptop mouse moving by slide" like input thing on it which you connect somewhere?

[verbal junco]

I realized it doesn't exist so I'm looking into making it myself

[quasi mantle]

At least you didn't settle on intaxwastaken

[deep copper]

or intaxwastakenwastaken

[timber viper]

Never came to my mind ngl

I might have settle on that 😂

[deep copper]

intaxwastakenhere

[verbal junco]

that sounds dirty

[deep copper]

intaxwasdirty
dirtintax

[timber viper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stop-stop-it-now-enough-kitten-gif-16655345

[left granite]

lmao

what is the entire server became brothers

[tulip orbit]

would it? would it really?

my name says I am, so I must be

😄

[knotty skiff]

Oh wow

[deep copper]

i knew this day would come, when the rules will be twisted and we won't have an index... i am also certain a day would come when something other than a brother will be born into this family

[deep copper]

either way! happy to have you onboard! naughty brother

[deep copper]

it's like someone without an arm or leg. just because they don't have an index, we shouldn't treat them differently!

and well, if we go by this, then the brother family can expand more. we will call anyone a brother if they have brother no index needed, soon we will call anyone brother that has any family related thing not just brother, then we will call anyone our family as long as they have a nickname. then we will call anyone in this server a family.

if we change the rules that way it's easier to take over the server

jk ofc, if we do that people won't be able to tell who is a part of the cult

[thin storm]

I like funny jokes.

[deep copper]

welcome aboard! it seems we already have a 5!
@twin bison (sorry for the ping), try 6 or 8 or -2 please!

i don't know actually, but chances are, watching many people have it feels like a, latest fashion trend?

[thin storm]

lol should I take 3 ?

[deep copper]

3 is also taken afaik

@zinc matrix (sorry for the ping)

[thin storm]

I have taken 6 then

preview 2 is funny dont want to ruin the joke

[deep copper]

very awesome! love to have you as a part of this ever growing family ! 🫂 💋 ❤️ 🍻 🔥 🤯 😎 😳

[thin storm]

lol thank you brother 1

[deep copper]

how's your day going? brother 6

[thin storm]

I´m fine brother 1, I need to buy some food and toiletpaper soon. how is yours?

[deep copper]

chore work huh 😅 .

mine is going great! now that we have you in the family 🥰

[thin storm]

thank you, I just like funny jokes, thats all.

[pearl elk]

jokes are fine just dont drink the kool-aid

[thin storm]

I eat band-aid´s

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-ok-whatever-duh-fine-gif-22916357

[deep copper]

i am something of a band-aid myself <3

jk

[pearl elk]

this one time at band-aid camp

[deep copper]

dw, it just means you have someone that looks up to you, wants to be you

isn't that an adorable brother you got there?

elsa, do you want to be one? you might also find out just why brothers are growing 🕵️ , all you need to do is change your nickname to the format "brother {n}{extra info (optional)}" , where n can be an integer, -2 and below or 8 and above slots are open. you can be a part of this ever growing loving family!

hurry up and reserve your unique number before it gets taken!!

not at all! you don't need to be a human to be our brother ! this brotherhood's bonds are way stronger than shape/ form etc

noted! only -2 and 8 are open right now, brother tank

as a tank, you can also protect all your brothers by making them get inside you, or blast away stuff. tbf, a tank is an overpowered brother

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/HPabDPn.jpg

[deep copper]

^that too, as brother ori said

[tulip orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/jzc9UkS.gif

[deep copper]

what's wrong?

[tulip orbit]

bored!

[cursive crypt]

Better bored than working on a game.

[tulip orbit]

it'd be nice to have something to do tho

[fathom wadi]

you can do my work so I can play a game if you like :p

[deep copper]

cook something

[tulip orbit]

something blue and semi-clear?

[deep copper]

what's that 🤔

[tulip orbit]

https://c.tenor.com/9bbQZG01i40AAAAC/cook-breaking-bad.gif

[fathom wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/breakingbad-science-yeah-science-gif-5954775

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-viralhog-pan-fail-drop-gif-22344012

[deep copper]

https://tenor.com/view/origix-time-to-cook-origix-cat-cooking-meow-origix-is-cute-gif-22661807

[tulip orbit]

thinking about going for a nap 🙂

yeah. that seems like a good idea

[deep copper]

💤 sweet sweet dreams!

[calm cipher]

Hello!

[deep copper]

hello hello

[cursive crypt]

https://i.redd.it/1r4740828an81.png

[fathom wadi]

I have the same approach to making a vehicle with Unreal's Vehicle Movement Component

[cursive crypt]

Have you tried ue5?

[fathom wadi]

I have but not with the vehicles yet, although I am using chaos vehicles. The differences are minimal between that and physx

so far this week I've made a physx vehicle, a chaos vehicle, a custom non-physics vehicle, a custom physics vehicle and out of all of them the custom physics vehicle is giving the best results, although even that needs super tweaking because you write all the code manually

tweaking a vehicle movement component is ridiculous though. I presume you need to have an engine mechanics degree to even understand it all, and I bet even a mechanic couldn't tweak it all to feel good in any quick time. It's like playing Kerplunk. You tweak one thing and everything else falls down

[cursive crypt]

Haven't really dabbed in vehicles, but I hear non-stop people grunting about it.

It is apparently pretty hard to do.

[fathom wadi]

Im currently watching a GDC talk from the lead physics guy at Pysonix regarding Rocket League physics. Even he said it's a nightmare to deal with. They used Bullet physics and simplified the requirements a great deal, like not using a transmission, because they were in a state of eternal tweaking.

[cursive crypt]

So, the hardest is to tweak the model to your goals?

[fathom wadi]

yeah

the "out of the box" vehicle works for it's setup, which is a Sedan car, but if you want something more "arcade like" you are starting from scratch

[cursive crypt]

Hmm... May closest is spending two days tweaking a char physics asset. This seems even harder.

[fathom wadi]

its insanity really. Nothing I did ever really gave me a required result. And if you change something else, what you changed alters too. A true balancing act. It's been a lot easier just to have a static mesh and apply linear physics forces

[cursive crypt]

Reminds me of other systems complex model. It is advetised that you can do anything with it, however until someone with years of experience don't sit and touch some magic numbers - it does not work.

[fathom wadi]

I dont know if you remember it, but there was a game called Space Dust Racing who did a physics example for their game which makes a lot of sense. Simple tracing for suspension and go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG1CtlFRmpU&t=4s

[cursive crypt]

"custom physics"

[fathom wadi]

yeah it kind of is. More like using gravity and opposing it in different ways. Like suspension being an interpolated force opposing gravity with a dampening effect

[cursive crypt]

oof, I'm glad I don't need cars. Or at least nothing much of importance.

Nice presentation tho.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-prequel-trilogy-episode2-attack-of-the-clones-anakin-skywalker-gif-21873129

[fathom wadi]

funny that you posted that because one of my vehicles is a speeder 😄

[zinc matrix]

and it's on wheels?

[cursive crypt]

Wheels are only troubles.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/starwarsbike-gif-23827931

[fathom wadi]

yeah it has to be with a wheeled vehicle component but you can hide them

[zinc matrix]

I tried the wheeled vehicle movement component (name is too long) once, the thing wheels locked if it went too slow for no obvious reason

[fathom wadi]

could be the inertial tensor scale kicking in or longitudinal friction force multiplier. But who knows. Could have just been a friction setting on the old tyre system

[zinc matrix]

yeah maybe

[fathom wadi]

quite honestly if I wasn't making a standard car I wouldn't use the VMC at all. Like I said earlier, Im having much better results manually making it from scratch

[zinc matrix]

Like just a basic trace system sort of?

at least you actually know how it works XD.

[fathom wadi]

yeah thats one way. 4 traces down for suspension. Then using add force to shift it in place and use forces to push it around.

also I wish I did know how it works. I'm a gameplay engineer, not a physics guy. So I'm just learning a bit at a time. It's too slow for me. I have been on this for a week and I wanted to be done with vehicles before now.

[cursive crypt]

Being a first timer is always like that. The devil is in details.

[zinc matrix]

I'm not a specialist in anything meanwhile. I just understand some bits of the engine better than others (I get physics, not excellent, while the material editor is still not my forte, I keep improving when I can)

[pearl elk]

I was working on a project with Vorixo, he built vehicle physics based on the space dust talk

https://github.com/vorixo/ExperimentalArcadeVehicle

[thin storm]

I´m just one brother of man(n)y brothers...

[fathom wadi]

hey Mons. Not seen you around for a bit but I guess you changed your name 🙂

[pearl elk]

What you mean, I never change my name 😛

I have been busy with other work though, working on my car and tinkering so Im not on the PC as much, especially for UK hours

[fathom wadi]

my sleeping/work pattern is reversed right now. I woke up at like 1am this morning :/

Ill check out that example though cheers

[thin storm]

that sucks

[soft night]

happy PiDay

[thin storm]

I know this feeling you just never really awake.

[fathom wadi]

yeah I dont like working this way around. But I've been playing catchup and have to make a prototype so I'm working whatever hours I can

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pi-day-pizza-pi-math-chris-timmons-gif-13866112

[zinc matrix]

it takes up the search bar

[pearl elk]

Dunno why they bother with a list of names, its too long to be useful anyway

[soft night]

Monsy is great

[zinc matrix]

hmm

I hear it rarely

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/gameboyluke-i-know-my-mons-gif-22785900

[zinc matrix]

but I hear people refer to pizzas as a pie

makes sense I guess

[fathom wadi]

when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie.... that's assault. /sings

[thin storm]

in usa they make deep dish pizza. maybe thats why they think its a cake.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/tell-your-mother-gif-8945973

[thin storm]

but good italian pizza has thin dough

[soft night]

pizza slice of pizza

[cursive crypt]

pizza... I haven't had a proper one in 2y+ already :/

[zinc matrix]

Nothing like a classic neapolitan

nobody needs too many toppings

[zinc matrix]

do you have an oven that can get reasonably hot?

that usually suffices

[cursive crypt]

Ah, I can make one, but is not definitely like the ones in a restaurant. Or buy a frozen one... sigh

[zinc matrix]

dough is hard...

[cursive crypt]

I need to find a buddy to bring with me for a pizza.

Ah, yeah... I have seen enough variety of recipes for dough.

[thin storm]

I only eat the frozen ones, they are fine for me.

even the cheap ones are good. lol

[cursive crypt]

uuuh.... they are so different, or at least the brand around barely cut it.

[thin storm]

there were times when I have eaten them literally everyday. that lowers your expectations.

[cursive crypt]

I admit, I have put ketchup on pizza before.

[thin storm]

thats awful, but I like pizza with pineapple and ham. it somehow tastes really good.

[zinc matrix]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if you like it sure

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[zinc matrix]

I just find it...

boring

[fathom wadi]

hah I went to install the plugin for the vehicles and it required me to have a C++ project to compile it, so I added a BFLib and then it complained about my project over-riding the chaos engine setting, so I added that, and now its compiling 2800 classes. YAY

¬_¬

[thin storm]

I know its a controversial topic.

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-pineapple-portal-spiral-gif-16315871

[pearl elk]

tomato is my favourite fruit

[zinc matrix]

so many people I know dislike raw tomato

understandable, but why?

[cursive crypt]

mm... tomato with cheese

[soft night]

my cousin have sideallergy that he cant eat tomato

[thin storm]

the ones here mostly from spain and netherlands, are just taste like water, really bad.