😄 hehe
#lounge
zinc matrix
and the gltf importer for unreal is bad
makes the meshes instance in wrong places
even a external plugin on github
last matrix
this is where i wonder why you didnt make one book rig and then reuse for others
zinc matrix
this is where i wonder why you didnt make one book rig and then reuse for others
i thought that by copying and paste them in blender it would end as the same in Unreal
last matrix
means that the anims tied to that rig can be reused for any other book since they all use the same rig
last matrix
i thought that by copying and paste them in blender it would end as the same in ...
i dont think so, but maybe you know something i dont 🤔
zinc matrix
i dont think so, but maybe you know something i dont 🤔
i think you are the advance user giving me tips
i am just trying to find headspace to do it now
first i will try to build the game and see if there is no lag
so far, it occupies 450 megabyte in RAM memory inside Blender
last matrix
as long as you test bringing in assets regularly
zinc matrix
actually 870 with textures on
last matrix
dont want to have a bunch of stuff made in blender that doesnt work how you expect in unreal
zinc matrix
but as far as i know, blender is really bad at performance
but all the rest of texture will be located at a 512x512 pixel canvas with 16x16 squares of vertex colour
the book all have distinct texture
last matrix
to each their own 🤷
zinc matrix
what do you mean?
last matrix
do it how you do it
zinc matrix
yeah
but now i think i should start opening the UE project
thanks anyway
useful tips
last matrix
sure thing
zinc matrix
hmm
many cheers conrad
i now do not need to rig it
but it will be a whole bunch of objects 😄
as Blender can not animate a object in Edit Mode (which is the tab you can edit faces individually
i may do it with books too, as it is a thing of taking the 2 blocks of page and turning them 90 degrees in their axis
howver i noticed that the option is marked as experimental
should i worry?
last matrix
really cant say, i know other people use it, so if it brings in your models/anims id think you're clear - its a recent feature so experimental means it might have bugs
zinc matrix
really cant say, i know other people use it, so if it brings in your models/anim...
yeah, i noticed a fail when trying to export more than one animation
last matrix
ive never used it unfortunately, i just know it can deal with vertex anims (sans rigs) which seems convenient for things that would be better handled without a rig
fwiw, i like to make the rig first then design the models so they can reuse it
zinc matrix
i thnk the better would animate everything on Unreal
but i tried and oh!
even the control rig feels a pain
not that is bad, but i think after a year of blender, i can not go back to it
last matrix
im not a fan of control rig myself either
zinc matrix
but are bones that expensive to render?
last matrix
just trying to think of ways to cutdown the repetitive work
last matrix
but are bones that expensive to render?
bones arent rendered, its the fact that its a skeletal mesh not a static one - it's expected that the vertices specifically move/deform. Static meshes have vertices, but the whole mass moves at the same time
zinc matrix
im not a fan of control rig myself either
actually the control rig itself is not bad, i am using in blender for my character and i would say that the UE blocks are more intuitive, however the way you animate inside the UE is inferior to Blender, OR i am missing something but i am set already
last matrix
i dont know how expensive it would be though, but it honestly sounds like you could get away with them being sm instead of sk
last matrix
actually the control rig itself is not bad, i am using in blender for my charact...
it is the animation part of control rig that i despise
zinc matrix
hm, i already faced a problem of having 2 animations on the NLA strip (which gather all the animations of different objects in Blender) and then importing to UE says its fail and no more
i tried to delete the old animation that was imported, but no success
i will try to tweak a bit more and watch more videos
in the last case, i think i will stick to bones
last matrix
you're this far in, might as well
zinc matrix
nah, it was 20 fruits
last matrix
maybe just try to think about reuse where you can
zinc matrix
yeah, it is expected that i will hit a wall of patience in around 2 to 4 weeks and copy and past some fruits into plants
last matrix
when you say copy paste, think in terms of unreal use
zinc matrix
as i realized that i can change its colour and fruit with different colours sometimes are totally different ballparks
last matrix
as i realized that i can change its colour and fruit with different colours some...
changing the color is a texture/material thing, nothing to do with rigs
and on the topic of materials, there is wpo which could help for certain things i guess
zinc matrix
and on the topic of materials, there is wpo which could help for certain things ...
wpo = world position offset?
last matrix
yeh
zinc matrix
ok more research
just a though that someone can clear to us
or yourself
by copying and paste same bone config in Blender, will it waste significant more resource than instancing the same bone set inside Unreal? because i read somewhere that no matter how much objects in scene you have, Unreal will always give them a unique ID
so, if the copy and paste in Blender is ignorable (performance wise), i am better doing in Blender actually
last matrix
by copying and paste same bone config in Blender, will it waste significant more...
if you make one book rig and bring that to unreal, then make your other books and have them all use that same rig, then import those into unreal, they all reference that one rig - it's one call for it, they wont be fetching duplicate rigs. its 3 bones so i guess its rather minor, but the other plus is to have access to all animations made for that one rig - so any book can use any animation made for that rig
when you import skeletal meshes, you have the option to choose which skeleton to use, so the dupe rigs in blender might be okay, it just matters what each skeletal mesh uses when brought into unreal
zinc matrix
that makes sense
ok, i got the part of 2 or more animations messing with the import under .abc file
i just forgot the NLA strip, i select the animation i want to export in the Action Editor and that is fine!
last matrix
cool?
btw, i guess it was fine at first, but i think this has become specifically about animation so....
zinc matrix
nah, the part of not needing bones saves a lot of time, i am really happy
not a blastly happy because i had alcohol which act as neuro depressor
but thinking about it now, i am fucking happy
oh boy thanks roman
last matrix
thats not my name
zinc matrix
sorry Conrad
last matrix
but if there's more on this, bring it over to #animation
zinc matrix
sure!
now that i will need to import to unreal often, if i find an error i will pop in animation section
oh the thing even imports shape keys!
💚
quasi mantle
No Doom HUD and Duke Nukem 3D instead?
Fricking lame
last matrix
this was fun.... makes me think there might be a market for making those "where's waldo" books but with this kind of stuff
fluid bloom
I keep watching some renovation videos of US people doing stuff and I'm horrified that they just do electrical work without hiring an electrician
in Finland you'd kiss your home insurance goodbye by doing stuff yourself
fluid bloom
would be kinda idiotic to not insure your biggest and most expensive asset 😄
zinc matrix
I keep watching some renovation videos of US people doing stuff and I'm horrifie...
there is a word in brazil for homemade solutions people invent
just feel it
fluid bloom
we say "did it myself and saved (money)" in a sarcastic way
zinc matrix
solutions to be cheaper than professional ones
actually there is one similar, kludging
but is not the definition completely
carmine frigate
electrical work isnt all that hard, its mostly just connecting premade parts like lego
now sitting in the bathtub with ur phone on a charger, that i dont get
from where the power cable enters the house to where ur pc is plugged in there are only a few parts
cursive crypt
electrical work isnt all that hard, its mostly just connecting premade parts lik...
I always have troubles knowing how to detect & connect grounds, zeroes and phases when connecting.
carmine frigate
yea can be tricky when u dont know the color they used and u cant see where they go
last matrix
usually kidnapping a home depot worker solves these problems
fathom wadi
they should have a Homeless Depot for people who live on the streets but have dreams of an outside decor.
high silo
Hi, guys
thick belfry
👋
zinc matrix
Hello
high silo
Do you know about epic games self publishing?
tulip orbit
we're supposed to get snow starting today too
and a drop down to -19 by tomorrow i think
verbal junco
yikes
tulip orbit
oh, -10 tomorrow, -19 tuesday. still.
fathom wadi
surely you watch them because they are entertaining then?
ocean parcel
Hello! What is up in this shizzle dizzle dizcordle soyva!?
signal citrus
Welcome
cursive crypt
oh, -10 tomorrow, -19 tuesday. still.
Was 5 C here, people were outside, like it is summer.
knotty skiff
median wraith
Was 5 C here, people were outside, like it is summer.
here 10 and feel cold
cursive crypt
You over there are blessed during the winter. Also fruits.
median wraith
fruits?
median wraith
Oranges
median wraith
And sugar 🤔
You must be an alien Edgar
cursive crypt
Who?
median wraith
*references
cursive crypt
Kinda familiar name.
median wraith
Men in black*
cursive crypt
Aa... yea
median wraith
moar sugar
cursive crypt
Well, I don't know for now. Maybe if I die and wake up from this VR.
median wraith
Ah, yea, this is their season, yes? The winter months.
I have no idea tbh
cursive crypt
At least in Greece, they are ripe around December.
mossy nexus
True, You can buy greenhouses all year round
cursive crypt
If they cheaper, even the better.
cursive crypt
well greenhouses you know
For oranges, I'm not sure, but for many local plants I can get the difference very easily.
And the difference with the plants which I grow sometimes is obvious to everyone who tried them.
median wraith
People in my country cannot live from selling oranges
the market is totally broken
like we purchase the africa ones at lower prices and without controls
you get paid 0.03€ per 1kg of oranges here
you have to sell 100 to get 3€
mossy nexus
Bananas. That's where the money is.
cursive crypt
Holly... .03 per kilo. That what I meant by blessed fruits above.
It is 2 euro / kilo here.
bold river
Hey, all. I'm working on an nft project and need to take my game idea from outline to full development. (then add blockchain integration) I don't know enough to give direction to individual freelancers, so I'm looking for a studio I guess. (I have checked that channel) The game is single player, first person pov, puzzle / adventure, battles. Any good recommendations for full service studios? Much appreciated. Thanks.
mossy nexus
If you mean studios that look for random internet people with ideas... you'll be shit out of luck.
bold river
Very helpful. I mean studios that get paid to develop games via contract.
cursive crypt
#industry-chat #introductions you can be flexible in your offer.
bold river
Thx
median wraith
It is 2 euro / kilo here.
yeah that's what the farmer get paid 0.03€ but to the consumer cost 2€
mossy nexus
Supermarkets rip the piss out of farmers
mossy nexus
NFTs of bananas... hmmm.
fathom wadi
I'm selling my virginity as an NFT. Unfortunately I've already sold a few.
cursive crypt
Your virginity can be resold. Travel the world.
fathom wadi
I still have two unused holes. If anyone's buying 😄
cursive crypt
That's the spirit 💪
mossy nexus
Only two? Eek
median wraith
🤨
cursive crypt
0 or 1 he means.
ocean parcel
hi guys
mossy nexus
cursive crypt
Was that from the kids Mind flyer movie?
mossy nexus
I have no idea what that is 😄
tulip orbit
it appears to be gif
primal summit
Free nitro? Gimme that list! Wait... nitrocellulose, nitromethane, nitrous oxide, or nitrogylcerin?
cursive crypt
Gosh, that convo feels like from last year.
median wraith
someone said the skylight takes more to render than the directional light
how that makes sense ? someone knows
fluid bloom
why doesn't it make sense?
directional light: light comes from one direction
skylight: light coming in from everywhere and bouncing everywhere
regal pecan
1: Directional light
10: Skylight
100: Shadowed directional light
10000000: Shadowed skylight
median wraith
@fluid bloom you know the skylight only captures a single sphere capture you do ?
There are no bounces
Just tints the whole level with a single sphere capture
only if you use Distance Fields then you get shadow areas calculated but that's a different topic
oh boy
regal pecan
Sampling a sphere capture is more expensive than dot(surfaceNormal,lightDir)
at least it should be, I haven't touched UE in a while
median wraith
Technically the postprocess had a function with that I think it remains
should be the same thing 🤔
quasi mantle
does anyone here what streamers?
Uhhh what
quasi mantle
Does anyone here watch streamers?
I watch speedrunners at times
quasi mantle
Why do you enjoy watching them?
I guess enjoying games being done so quickly and at times torn apart with glitches and stuff
ocean parcel
Ahhh, so you watch it for the game and not the streamer?
quasi mantle
Ahhh, so you watch it for the game and not the streamer?
Streamers come a bit second
ocean parcel
Streamers come a bit second
This is what I think too!
Which makes me wonder
how the heck those personality streamers and vtubers, etc, become big
quasi mantle
how the heck those personality streamers and vtubers, etc, become big
Anime vtubers become big because... Anime.
And often times their voices
ocean parcel
Their voices?
ocean parcel
And often times their voices
It is because they have cute voices? Or some other reason?
Ah I see!
quasi mantle
It is because they have cute voices? Or some other reason?
Mostly that, I think
Though tbh I never really get the appeal of Vtubers
As I do watch speedruns
Also some speedrunning streamers do make content on youtube, discussing glitches, world records, or things happening in the speedrunning scene
broken sigil
Does anyone here watch streamers?
Used to watch Shroud and that's about it
These days don't have much time for that
ocean parcel
Also some speedrunning streamers do make content on youtube, discussing glitches...
Ah I see, so it's just basically what you're into I guess.
quasi mantle
Another time where developers fighting against speedrunners
https://youtu.be/z3hUFt2g4Os
ocean parcel
Used to watch Shroud and that's about it
These days don't have much time for th...
I presume because you were interested in the game or the skill of him playing the game?
broken sigil
Skill, the guy is a human aimbot 😅
ocean parcel
Another time where developers fighting against speedrunners
https://youtu.be/z3h...
Actually you have just made me realise why people watch VTubers.... 🤔 It's literally that isn't it? Anime. Just, people want to interact with an anime girl.
Which means there can be no male VTubers....
Which is curious. 🤔
quasi mantle
Which means there can be no male VTubers....
There are male VTubers, and girls flocking on them
ocean parcel
Skill, the guy is a human aimbot 😅
Yeah that's true!
ocean parcel
There are male VTubers, and girls flocking on them
For real!? :O
quasi mantle
For real!? :O
Nijisanji has few of them
Probably not Hololive tho
broken sigil
I do occasionally watch aceu and itztimmy, Apex legends streamers
But very rarely
ocean parcel
The only ones I know of are Merryweathery, who makes anime comics, and HoloStars, (the male offshoot of HoloLive), which get bad views supposedly.
Oh yeah but I think I heard Nijisanji has male ones too, forgot about that.
I think they even make a NijisanjiMaleEN.
quasi mantle
The only ones I know of are Merryweathery, who makes anime comics, and HoloStars...
Safe to say the female counterparts outshines the male ones
I mean, in most cases male YouTubers were sporting their own brand as opposed to going under vtuber agency umbrella
ocean parcel
I do occasionally watch aceu and itztimmy, Apex legends streamers
But very rare...
Ah, I see.
ocean parcel
I mean, in most cases male YouTubers were sporting their own brand as opposed to...
True.
You don't see many independent female VTubers though, let alone male ones.
I mean you do get indie female ones.
But
Well, I guess you do get a lot.
But usually they form their own groups.
When they get successful.
quasi mantle
Well, I guess you do get a lot.
But the popularity outshined by the agency ones
ocean parcel
yeah
quasi mantle
But then again, I'm quite abnormal compared to other weeaboos: opposing against lootboxes, not have interest on vtubers and mostly boring tech behind it, not watching anime every single day, you name it
quasi mantle
Next you will say you don't even speak Japanese.
I do learn Japanese
ocean parcel
Wa ha ha!
Same.
How do you think the male VTubers acquire the female viewers and have them all over them?
quasi mantle
How do you think the male VTubers acquire the female viewers and have them all o...
Voice, charm, personality
Likely the same reason why male audience attracted to female VTubers
But some female VTubers do see themselves being the meme creators
ocean parcel
Memes are a most powerful weapon. As is the media likewise!
I wonder if there is a way to cultivate this audience.
quasi mantle
Oh right
MEMES
quasi mantle
the female audience
Well, I think boys spend more time with memes more than the girls
ocean parcel
Indeed!
I guess that's true.
Could attract the wrong type of people.
For example, what does a charming VTuber who is attempting to acquire the female audience do if they garner male viewership? 🤔
quasi mantle
For example, what does a charming VTuber who is attempting to acquire the female...
Roll with it, or hypothetically change the content entirely
(not that vtubers really have varying content to begin with)
ocean parcel
Oh I see
broken sigil
Only Vtuber I ever watched was Momo and that's because she played with some of the YTers I watch
ocean parcel
Of course, the biggest question is: how does one acquire said audience in the first place?
I always wonder how they gain an audience anyway. How these big VTubers started.
quasi mantle
Of course, the biggest question is: how does one acquire said audience in the fi...
Word of mouth, social media, memes
At this point, VTubers aren't really an alien thing so that helps
ocean parcel
Only Vtuber I ever watched was Momo and that's because she played with some of t...
Oh jeeze, I looked up Momo to be reminded of who that one is and that disturbing picture popped up.
ocean parcel
At this point, VTubers aren't really an alien thing so that helps
Hmmm. Indeed! Could lead to oversaturation though.
quasi mantle
Hmmm. Indeed! Could lead to oversaturation though.
Back then Kizuna Ai was (and still is) the mother of Vtuber trend
She actually make variety content, unlike contemporary VTubers who just do non-archived streams
Speaking of which
Donations
I assume they make shit ton of money with just live streaming as opposed to making fully produced content
broken sigil
Oh jeeze, I looked up Momo to be reminded of who that one is and that disturbing...
Oh yeah lol 😅
You'll probably have to search Momo twitch
deep glen
https://i.gyazo.com/953132a1e82cbb8c64efb2d459cbdd1a.png
glad to see UE4 is using 100% of my cpu to fix up all the redirectors XD
ocean parcel
I assume they make shit ton of money with just live streaming as opposed to maki...
Must be difficult to get to that position though.
I'd feel bad about asking people for money.
quasi mantle
I gotta join this, using my game assets
https://youtu.be/8heyandmcXs
I'm thinking about Nala reminiscing in a mass transport airship
Gotta convey how she's not from the fantasy world, how she was lost there, and her back story, within one angle
deep glen
sure chips off core
mossy nexus
2gb per core or per thread?
ocean parcel
@quasi mantle Btw I must thank you, you have helped my mind immensely!!
quasi mantle
<@!325627930484932608> Btw I must thank you, you have helped my mind immensely!!
No probsies!
rugged jetty
sure *chips off core*
can i have some cache
left granite
@halcyon oak
halcyon oak
Lmao
ocean parcel
I cut someone off very suddenly back in early November, yet for some reason this is hitting me extremely hard now and has been the past few days, even though I don't remember being this bothered by it at the time. 🤔
It's a most peculiar experience.
tulip orbit
I hate it when people cut me off in traffic
verbal junco
wait you guys actually go outside???
knotty skiff
zinc matrix
nerds!
knotty skiff
Yes?
knotty skiff
zinc matrix
back to rigging
i just realize that some animations would require stretching and having connection between faces logic
so setting all the pivot points and moving it according would take me longer time
quasi mantle
back to rigging
what even is this monstrosity
quasi mantle
72 isn't much compared to my characters, but why?
zinc matrix
^^
quasi mantle
so i can make cooking animations with this type of plant
Can't it be saved with predetermined slices?
Or was it for harvesting?
zinc matrix
harvest
then process it
but actually is about the creature reaching the place, gathering it, putting on a basket and bring it to the kitchen and start cooking
there is no, store this plant for later use
quasi mantle
I mean, if it's harvesting, one can simply use sockets and move the objects between plant socket and the character's hand socket.
Basket contents can be faked as well, as long as you have your game's backend keeping track of the harvested goods.
If it's a VR game, you can even let physics do its job
zinc matrix
no its not
i will stick with rigging them ready for processing in kitchen
the basket thing i did not know how i will do it
i was thinking in doing the harvesting animation, and stopping right at the basket and turning them into physics bodies
quasi mantle
Granted, my project is an RPG, so physical accuracy be damned, so long as the character seemed cooking in a convincing way with animations.
zinc matrix
hm, maybe some The Sims way
gather, remove the mesh, instance a basket full mesh, ...
quasi mantle
Yes. They don't even have the animations seem physically slicing the stuff, just swapping meshes around
Which is good for The Sims because normally you look at them from overhead view
zinc matrix
mine is a topdown
but i am pricky about it
maybe i will realize that is too much and just swap meshes like they do
still, i will create the swap meshes out of the plant
last matrix
72 isn't much compared to my characters, but why?
You got muscles or is there just a lot of face bones?
quasi mantle
You got muscles or is there just a lot of face bones?
Lots of hair bones
The base model itself is less than that (standard UE4 biped rig + 4 twist bones per limb + 2 bones for each boobs), but combined with the hair, it go up to 100 or so
Anime characters don't use hair cards, but rather solid hair meshes branching for the hair tips
last matrix
Lots of hair bones
ah right right
zinc matrix
curious: how much power the Chinese company has over the UE?
can they decide that it will be paid software and so be it?
foggy path
You need a majority in stock to make any kind of decisions
zinc matrix
how much they have?
deep glen
NSFW comment removed.
cursive crypt
NSFW comment removed.
Need Speed For Work
foggy path
wintry shore
hi guys, i have some questions about video/audio export if anyone has 3 mins pls pm me, ty
zinc matrix
40 plants later and i started to check the thickness of my bones
feels like that late game of mmorpg
signal citrus
hi guys, i have some questions about video/audio export if anyone has 3 mins pls...
Try asking your questions in #ue4-general
ocean parcel
good morning friends! :)
zinc matrix
is such amount of trouble for me
pivot point in offset
basically i will need to move all, at least the meshes with bones, manually after importing them at 0,0,0
i hope i can figure out a script in autohotkey to do it in the speed of light
but now i am idling in bed
i am tired
clear cape
lol
burnt lake
deep glen
last matrix
no alpha even?
deep glen
lol
primal summit
so hilariously dangerous (and in the US very illegal!)
rapid magnet
@zinc matrix playing around with Task, is this how it's correctly done?
private async void StartButton_Click(object sender, RoutedEventArgs e)
{
cts = new();
CancellationToken tok1 = cts.Token;
await TaskC(tok1);
Debug.WriteLine("All Done!");
}
private static Task TaskC(CancellationToken token)
{
return Task.Run(async () =>
{
int count = 0;
while (!token.IsCancellationRequested)
{
Debug.WriteLine($"{++count}");
await Task.Delay(1000);
}
}, token);
}
it just feels a bit cumbersome
how would it be done instead?
rapid magnet
k thanks
dense storm
zinc matrix
does anybody know if there is a huge difference between godaddy, hostinger, dreamhost and hostgator?
timber viper
Goddady was cheaper compared to other, when the last time I've checked
Other than that, if you are not going to use their services with some advanced tool / requirement I guess it doesnt matter, godaddy and hostinger had nice support teams
Didnt use the last two
tribal cipher
okay game devs, so if you where to concept a game ( thats gonna be made in 2 months), where would you start?
after the initail idea of the game that is
verbal junco
okay game devs, so if you where to concept a game ( thats gonna be made in 2 mon...
take your idea and scope it down 95%
then take that 5% and scope it down an additional 80%
ocean parcel
hi there good friends. :)
giggle giggle, Bungie used to be owned by Microsoft now it'll be own by Sony how much of an irony!!!! 😂 😂 😂 😂
hoary kindle
does anyone know if its possible to prevent a specific steam account from purchasing a game that I sell on steam?
thick belfry
after the initail idea of the game that is
What do you know about unreal engine?
Have you used it before? How comfortable are you with it?
If no experience at all, it depends on how much time you are willing to spend but you won't finish any project of significance at all. That's the truth to it
If you are interested in what I learned in 4 weeks with no experience at all, spending all but one day on it(last level was an marketplace asset to demo): https://youtu.be/Obvbk2kqkWg
So don't expect to make the next fallout 🤣
Why does discord always preview the videos all big like that
Looks obnoxious
tribal cipher
What do you know about unreal engine?
I have and am currently using it
So far I’ve made one game, and am making three more
And yeah, I’m keeping it as simple as possible
thick belfry
After an idea, make an inventory of what systems you need to make the minimal viable product
And make that
It'll give you a sense of scope, time needed, and probably sone humility on how long long think it'll take haha
2 months is a really, really short time
And it would leave little to no room for good playtesting
Definitely won't give enough room for good QA
If its a personal project that's fine
If you want it to be commercial, I think you're underestimating
Definitely not enough time if you are working on 2 more games
knotty skiff
Metaverse
zinc matrix
What
tulip orbit
naw, this is the future of the army https://data.whicdn.com/images/217076583/original.gif
zinc matrix
will conflicts be in the metaverse
tulip orbit
the future of war is VR pokemon battles
fathom wadi
okay game devs, so if you where to concept a game ( thats gonna be made in 2 mon...
I'd start a new Hack n Plan and write everything down, expand on ideas, try predict issues, structure the various systems and generally keep it ready to edit because you inevitably will do. Then I'd sit with my thumb up my ass when I realise I need to pay people and dont have any money 😄
zinc matrix
Heh, enjoy your holidays
quasi mantle
Gong Xi Fa Cai!
tribal cipher
Canton mi?
zinc matrix
sorry lounge
but i just need to chat scream a moment
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
thanks
left granite
lmao
willow chasm
Anyone know why being clicked into discord would block shortcuts like snip N sketch?
left granite
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1831900/UE5_Shooter_Game/
damn steam is SOOOO dumb
lol
burnt lake
signal citrus
zinc matrix
zinc matrix
True
zinc matrix
What on earth
quasi mantle
Who's Atari?
The real Atari has been long dead for all I care, not even it carries substantial nostalgia value as other game development firms
The current Atari is a sussy baka
zinc matrix
what is an sussy baka?
quasi mantle
what is an sussy baka?
rare sparrow
cursive crypt
?
mossy nexus
!
celest jasper
Rage is only necessary when you want to fight a washing mashine
zinc matrix
Ohhh thanks man
cursive crypt
A new, modern, word?
proud jay
treason detected 😠
mossy nexus
Why does it take 14 second to show a dog eating something in 1 second? What's happening in those 13 seconds? A waste of my time that's what!
cursive crypt
Hardly chewing. More of a vacuum canon instead.
thick belfry
I dont get it
tulip orbit
so thats what the rock was cooking? pancakes?
foggy path
Crystal meth. It should be obvious, even the drug itself is rocks 
knotty skiff
do I hear "meem" chanenelen???
knotty skiff
sudden pewter
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1831900/UE5_Shooter_Game/
damn steam is SOOOO...
this is so epic
also I clicked on this because I thought there were news about the UE5 version of the ShooterGame example project
my disappointment is limitless
so anyone knows what happened to the blueprint ninja goodies? I didn't get any email
idk if I'm supposed to contact epic to ask them where is my swag
:sadge:
verbal junco
is oatmeal a soup?
well doesn't it resemble soup? a thick grey oatmeal porridge soup?
unreal cedar
cursive crypt
Was that oatmeal with milk?
ocean parcel
What do females look up on YouTube?
carmine frigate
makeup tutorials are not just for character artists 😛
carmine frigate
yea damn gamer girls are driving up the videocard prices
verbal junco
this sounds either extremely finnish, russian or romanian
mossy nexus
Has anyone tried mining NFTs yet?
verbal junco
nope
mossy nexus
damn, needed to know where to get the right shovels from
mossy nexus
So you're telling me I got scammed buying that NTF pan on ebay? And the NTF detector?
carmine frigate
yea, but i have a nigerian lawyer who can help you
verbal junco
same
actually I am a nigerian lawyer who can help you
just send bitcoin to my address and I will begin the proceedings
fathom wadi
I'm all about giving my details to nigerian spam emails. One day it might be true and I'll be rich.
mossy nexus
My spam filters must be doing their jobs, I've never ever had one like that
verbal junco
the newest craze is sharing gdrive links with you
carmine frigate
i have gdrive links 🙂
mossy nexus
really? madness
carmine frigate
drive gets scanned tho
not too much interesting on there, some old scripts and some gamey mcgameface gameplay vid 😛
hmm tought it plays em in window, guess not
mossy nexus
I click on that and it asks me for bank details.. WTF?! 😄
carmine frigate
totally worth it
carmine frigate
@zinc matrix its physical animation with constraint break
so i can make physics pull to default pose and place constraints bac
carmine frigate
at least its not 3ds Max
steady vortex
Question: In your opinion, for VR, is it better to hold the flashlight or just have it attached to the hand via half life alyx
mossy nexus
Well... depends. If Alex is next to me she can hold it, otherwise I'd have to do it myself
verbal junco
🥁
left granite
my disappointment is limitless
sudden pewter
https://tenor.com/view/sorry-im-sorry-im-so-sorry-i-am-sorry-i-sorry-gif-1867576...
it's okay I forgive you but only for this time
left granite
it's okay I forgive you but only for this time
🥲😬
thick belfry
I made the mistake of recommending Unreal in a general gamedev reddit community
Ive got an army of unity bois telling me C++ is the devils work and unreal is extremely difficult lol
thick belfry
Depends
faint dock
after that it's smooth sailing
verbal junco
not as high as the entry barrier to the games industry
thick belfry
My level for entry is higher with having to code
faint dock
not as high as the entry barrier to the games industry
hahaha
not if you start with BP
thick belfry
^
verbal junco
BP is just a gateway to making shitty youtube tutorials
thick belfry
Developing games is more than just coding
faint dock
is it optimal? no. can you do full blown games with pure BP? yes
BP == coding
and i say that as lizenz c++ coder
LIZENZ
thick belfry
I mean in the end you are still programming but to call it the same as writing C++ I disagree
faint dock
it's coding in BP
thick belfry
If you wanna be a level designer or just a game designer you don't need to write C++
But if you pick unity you must code in C#
Or use a wonky plugin
faint dock
are you sure about that?
foggy path
There's literally no difference between BP and C++ besides syntax and some low level details like pointers
faint dock
don't they have bolt now?
thick belfry
Good luck getting that with no experience
You gotta start somewhere and for many people learning the right syntax for coding in C++ or # is more difficukt
Speaking from experience
faint dock
yeah the c++ learning curve is no joke
thick belfry
I wanna get into a game design college and I need to make a small project, I'm not gonna learn C++ for that
verbal junco
c# is nice though
thick belfry
Blueprints have allowed me to do that
verbal junco
not enough to make me ever go back to unity
but it's a nice language
strongly typed
faint dock
ye
verbal junco
yes by crashing your game
or worse leaking memory until it freezes whatever you're doing
faint dock
that's when you fix them
verbal junco
I remember doing stuff in C and getting segfaults as the only error
thick belfry
Yeah but I'm going to the college to eventually go into real world productions as a designer
Which comes back to my comment game dev is not just coding
More ways into the industry
verbal junco
you can get into the industry without coding
but it is much harder
the bar for artists at this point in time is exceptionally high
due to oversupply
narrow patrol
Uh have you considered breaking this up into smaller functions
verbal junco
I only use recursive functions
verbal junco
Uh have you considered breaking this up into smaller functions
you're not giving enough credit to the artistic merit of this spagbol
hey mang don't expose my code
🥲🔫
zinc matrix
Anyone else feel guilty a lot of the products we buy are made from slave labor?
And as game devs, are we making the problem worse by making products that require cobalt to operate?
Not trying to bum anyone out, just been a thought of mine recently
Just wish I could do something
verbal junco
capitalism is built on this
it's a zero sum game
people can only get rich because other people get poor
@zinc matrix see above
zinc matrix
people can only get rich because other people get poor
Well beats being thrown in the gulag I guess
verbal junco
far fewer people would be able to buy clothes if we didn't get clothes made dirt cheap in cambodia
and this is going to continue until the point where machines are going to be cheaper than human labor
zinc matrix
people can only get rich because other people get poor
Also even if capitalism involves a socioeconomic hierarchy, that doesn't mean the lower class has to be stripped of human rights in poor working conditions
verbal junco
at which point we'll enter a true cyberpunk esque society globally
zinc matrix
and this is going to continue until the point where machines are going to be che...
Terminator doesn't sound that bad right now
ocean parcel
hi what up
verbal junco
Also even if capitalism involves a socioeconomic hierarchy, that doesn't mean th...
they aren't in western societies. but good luck trying to tell other countries that what they are doing is exploitation
zinc matrix
hi what up
We're talking about slave labor
ocean parcel
We're talking about slave labor
Oh cool!
verbal junco
there is idealism and then there's naivety
ocean parcel
What's your favourite type?
zinc matrix
they aren't in western societies. but good luck trying to tell other countries t...
Nah, I know, there's multiple factors to the problem; it's ultimately the slave owner's choice how to treat their slaves
verbal junco
the type that doesn't ask questions
quasi mantle
And just shut the fuck up
zinc matrix
They could use more ethical ways to mine the cobalt, even if it's not clear
zinc matrix
And just **shut the *fuck* up**
Excuse me?
quasi mantle
Excuse me?
The type that doesn't ask questions, and just shut the fuck up
It was meant to continue the previous message
zinc matrix
The type that doesn't ask questions, and just shut the fuck up
It was meant to ...
Okay, thought you were throwing shade
Why even joke about that?
zinc matrix
Why even joke about that?
Idk man, I often find weebs like to be overly edgy
verbal junco
africa sadly isn't doing much better, literally using child labor in mines. it's "illegal" but when you're dirt poor and wanting to earn a living the law becomes an obstacle
zinc matrix
africa sadly isn't doing much better, literally using child labor in mines. it's...
So the main problem is lack of law enforcement?
fathom wadi
They could use more ethical ways to mine the cobalt, even if it's not clear
Absolutely. One of my pet gripes in life is child labour and exploitation of the motherland. What makes it worse for me is when I mention it to people they generally don't give a crap and continue to buy Apple products.
zinc matrix
Absolutely. One of my pet gripes in life is child labour and exploitation of the...
Screw Apple, I have an Android, though idk if that's really a better alternative
verbal junco
So the main problem is lack of law enforcement?
no the main problem is poverty. if you didn't have poverty, people wouldn't be killing themselves to make a living
fathom wadi
not really google were indicted in the congolese child labour case too
verbal junco
like 90% of all crime is done for need and not for want
zinc matrix
no the main problem is poverty. if you didn't have poverty, people wouldn't be k...
Thing is Africa shouldn't be poor, it has a high percentage of Earth's resources
quasi mantle
Thing is Africa shouldn't be poor, it has a high percentage of Earth's resources
Earth resources alone isn't going to cut it.
verbal junco
if my electronics aren't made from a suicide factory I don't want it
quasi mantle
If anything, it opens up to more exploitations
zinc matrix
Is there any slavery-free smartphone?
verbal junco
if my electronics aren't made from a suicide factory I don't want it
I hope the sarcasm is showing
quasi mantle
Is there any slavery-free smartphone?
No
They tried and they fail miserably
ocean parcel
if my electronics aren't made from a suicide factory I don't want it
What's a suicide factory and where can I find one?
zinc matrix
Dude
verbal junco
@ocean parcel see above
zinc matrix
If anything, it opens up to more exploitations
It's probably a cultural difference too; their politicians aren't as keen on truth, justice, and freedom
fathom wadi
the only rich people in life are those with the love of a family and friends. The one's who are flush with money are, themselves, slaves to it
quasi mantle
Even "Freedom Phone" from absolute charlatan Erik Finman admits his company can't get "slavery free" manufacturing in the US
zinc matrix
What's a suicide factory and where can I find one?
verbal junco
It's probably a cultural difference too; their politicians aren't as keen on tru...
nobody wants to undermine their own power. not even in the free world
zinc matrix
Even "Freedom Phone" from absolute charlatan Erik Finman admits his company can'...
Well at least most working conditions are more bearable in the US than in the 3rd world
zinc matrix
nobody wants to undermine their own power. not even in the free world
So then can you think of any possible solutions?
verbal junco
Well at least most working conditions are more bearable in the US than in the 3r...
some states in the US could well be considered third world, I'm sure. or at least whatever eastern europe is
zinc matrix
some states in the US could well be considered third world, I'm sure. or at leas...
I said most
verbal junco
So then can you think of any possible solutions?
eat the rich
zinc matrix
eat the rich
So socialism?
quasi mantle
Well at least most working conditions are more bearable in the US than in the 3r...
I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.
Cheaper labour means more sales, more product, even though the profit margin is the same.
Bringing food on the table for the kids is more important than idealism
fathom wadi
The solutions for the world's major problems regarding slavery and the money-based class divide are so radical that people wouldn't accept them because it affects them.
fathom wadi
nah superman wigged out when joker killed Lois inthe Injustice storyline. I dont trust him
quasi mantle
If manufacturers getting idealistic and raise the price, they're going to lose request for products
verbal junco
doesn't have to be an established system. but basically we'll be hitting a breaking point soon when the wealth accumulation of the wealthy will have peaked, and so the world will have to react to it somehow
zinc matrix
nah superman wigged out when joker killed Lois inthe Injustice storyline. I don...
Else world story; doesn't count
I mean New Earth Superman
verbal junco
by which time we may get world war 3 or whatever
fathom wadi
the world doesn't have the power to do anything. It's asleep in the American Dream
verbal junco
unless the super rich start hating each other
zinc matrix
You know, post-crisis but before New 52
verbal junco
the world doesn't have the power to do anything. It's asleep in the American Dre...
the world as in the people of the world. not as in the planet lmao
zinc matrix
Or Rebirth Supes before he left Earth and let his gay son take over
fathom wadi
Imagine if social media virtue signallers all got together and forgot about attacking everyone and each other, then banded together to fight the right to equality and human rights. Even if all of that power came together, it still couldn't get the money from the rich because they don't give a fuck about us.
zinc matrix
the world as in the people of the world. not as in the planet lmao
Same thing?
verbal junco
I thought so too, but apparently people misinterpret my statements
zinc matrix
Well at least we can take solace knowing slavery isn't as abundant as it used to be and there are organizations out there helping them
verbal junco
Imagine if social media virtue signallers all got together and forgot about atta...
correct. so the reaction might be that we all die and that the super rich become the new master race
quasi mantle
Let's not go far from game dev
Outsourcing crunch to make assets is a thing, and I know a company in Indonesia absolutely refuse to respons when People Make Games editorials caught wind of the crunch culture
zinc matrix
Gotta look on the bright side, I guess
fathom wadi
that might well be the case one day.
quasi mantle
And from people working there that I asked, they're fine with the crunch. At least that's what they say.
verbal junco
correct. so the reaction might be that we all die and that the super rich become...
@zinc matrix not bright enough for you?
zinc matrix
Let's not go far from game dev
Outsourcing crunch to make assets is a thing, an...
Slave labor is used for making video games too?
zinc matrix
<@456226577798135808> not bright enough for you?
Seems pretty depressing tbh
verbal junco
I don't know about making
zinc matrix
There's exploitation in pretty much any industry
verbal junco
I know about playing
fathom wadi
it's more like extortion labour.
verbal junco
some crypto games are forcing people to play them for a living
zinc matrix
Well now I feel like a dick for going into game dev
zinc matrix
some crypto games are forcing people to play them for a living
That kinda sucks, but I guess it's not the worst life you could live
fathom wadi
Well now I feel like a dick for going into game dev
could be worse. You could be a politician
zinc matrix
could be worse. You could be a politician
True
verbal junco
could be worse. You could be a politician
yeah but politicians are above the law
quasi mantle
And worst thing is they're my homeland homies
zinc matrix
But yeah, I really wish (New Earth, not Injustice) Superman was real at these times
zinc matrix
And worst thing is they're my homeland homies
Who is?
fathom wadi
We only need one superhero. Lobo. \m/
verbal junco
But yeah, I really wish (New Earth, not Injustice) Superman was real at these ti...
if he were he'd been bought out by the rich
quasi mantle
Well now I feel like a dick for going into game dev
If you run your own game dev studio, you'll going to face dillema, The Matrix style.
verbal junco
the only superhero we really need is dr. manhattan
and really only to blow up the planet
quasi mantle
Get the game as soon as possible, or keep delaying until you're fricking dead
zinc matrix
We only need one superhero. Lobo. \m/
Yeah, I guess he'd frag all the politicians, but he'd probably frag everyone else too since he fragged his entire home planet
zinc matrix
If you run your own game dev studio, you'll going to face dillema, The Matrix st...
Wym Matrix style?
quasi mantle
Wym Matrix style?
Get the game as soon as possible, or keep slacking and delaying until you're fricking dead
verbal junco
I still think there should be a law where politicians could be facing the death penalty for screwing over the public
but I guess that is wishful thinking 😔
quasi mantle
Not every studio is sustainable as Valve.
zinc matrix
> Get the game as soon as possible, or keep slacking and delaying until you're f...
Well maybe I could give a portion of proceeds to anti-slavery charities
quasi mantle
Valve can slack off for years and still getting huge moolah out of Steam
fathom wadi
I still think there should be a law where politicians could be facing the death ...
technically they can be guilty of treason if they do anything that is against the benefit of the public they serve, but nobody enforces it or the entire UK government would be swinging from Tower Bridge
zinc matrix
I guess that'd kinda be hypocritical though
verbal junco
Well maybe I could give a portion of proceeds to anti-slavery charities
corrupt* anti slavery charities
quasi mantle
I guess that'd kinda be hypocritical though
It is.
zinc matrix
corrupt* anti slavery charities
How are they corrupt?
quasi mantle
Not to mention trust issues some charities exhibit.
verbal junco
technically they can be guilty of treason if they do anything that is against th...
that's kind of my point, it needs to be enforceable
fathom wadi
I used to work for a UK animal charity until I realised how corrupt it was.
quasi mantle
You think I'd go to Hell for this?
That's up to God to decide.
verbal junco
How are they corrupt?
I don't know them. but why give to real charities when you can give to corrupt ones that cycle the money back to you and you get a tax write off?
zinc matrix
That's up to God to decide.
Yet God doesn't seem to be fixing world problems He could if He's all-powerful apparently
That's why I have trouble believing in Him
Besides the point
quasi mantle
Yet God doesn't seem to be fixing world problems He could if He's all-powerful a...
Oh, sorry, you're an atheist.
fathom wadi
God is dead. I heard about it on a Nine Inch Nails record
quasi mantle
To each their own.
zinc matrix
Oh, sorry, you're an atheist.
Agnostic actually; I'm not saying there's certainly no higher power that exists, but I am at least saying the way the God of the Bible is described seems inconsistent with the observable reality we live in
quasi mantle
To each their own.
verbal junco
did you just assume my religion
zinc matrix
Atheists just don't believe in any God
fathom wadi
I don't believe in God in the biblical sense, but when you look at the design of the human body, and other of nature's designs, you have to ask.... how the fuck?
zinc matrix
Agnostics simply say, "I don't know"
So contrary to popular belief, there is a difference
Not to keep bringing religion up, but millions of people don't believe in God because they believe their earthly issues will be fixed
but anyway
verbal junco
I don't believe in God in the biblical sense, but when you look at the design of...
natural design is perfect function
fathom wadi
I believe in computers. From the moment I first saw a BSP Tree in old game design, I can't look into my garden anymore without seeing it everywhere.
zinc matrix
Not to keep bringing religion up, but millions of people don't believe in God be...
Wouldn't the opposite be true? Wouldn't those who believe their earthly problems will be fixed be more likely to believe in God?
quasi mantle
Wouldn't the opposite be true? Wouldn't those who believe their earthly problems...
Depends on their own beliefs.
zinc matrix
Wouldn't the opposite be true? Wouldn't those who believe their earthly problems...
You'd be surprised, that assumption is false for many people
Anyway
Let's move on 😅
quasi mantle
Not yet.
zinc matrix
You'd be surprised, that assumption is false for many people
Well I have trouble believing in God because He doesn't seem to to fix many problems He supposedly could if He's all-powerful
quasi mantle
I seriously missing out on shit ton of anime
verbal junco
Well I have trouble believing in God because He doesn't seem to to fix many prob...
he could just not care
or maybe we're just insignificant
quasi mantle
NGL I have hard time multi tasking gamedev/animating while watching anime
zinc matrix
NGL I have hard time multi tasking gamedev/animating while watching anime
Then why not just commit to one task at a time?
quasi mantle
Then why not just commit to one task at a time?
Because I want to do it together as to not slacking around.
verbal junco
then how will you ever have time to watch all the anime?
zinc matrix
Because I want to do it together as to not slacking around.
You should invest in some Dr. Octopus arms then
quasi mantle
Also work can be boring at times
zinc matrix
and maybe kill Spider-man while you're at it too
fathom wadi
I find if I have a big bag of weed, work isn't boring. But if I'm entirely sober.... oh man it's a grind :p
quasi mantle
You should invest in some Dr. Octopus arms then
I don't give a shit about superhero stuff tbh
zinc matrix
I don't give a shit about superhero stuff tbh
Lame
quasi mantle
I'm only in for the memes
quasi mantle
Lame
And you're going to say the same for me liking anime, so I don't give a flying shit either way.
verbal junco
superheroes are western anime. there, I said it
verbal junco
So I should just not give a shit about slave labor?
can you do anything about it?
zinc matrix
And you're going to say the same for me liking anime, so I don't give a flying s...
But do you give a walking or swimming shit?
fathom wadi
So I should just not give a shit about slave labor?
as Noam Chomsky once wrote to me in an email "You have to do whatever you can to look yourself in the mirror everyday"
quasi mantle
But do you give a walking or swimming shit?
I do give walking f||uck||
And I exceed my daily foul mouthing quota in this server already
zinc matrix
can you do anything about it?
Other than spread awareness and maybe donate some charities (which may not even be a good idea if they're as corrupt as you say they are), not really
verbal junco
as Noam Chomsky once wrote to me in an email "You have to do whatever you can to...
better advice than I got from Gabe Newell in an email
verbal junco
Other than spread awareness and maybe donate some charities (which may not even ...
there's your answer
zinc matrix
can you do anything about it?
Although I guess I could go on volunteer missions
I've heard volunteers have managed to free slaves and get slave owner's arrested
quasi mantle
Although I guess I could go on volunteer missions
Good luck arranging demonstration in mainland China.
Last time they did it, it goes swell.
zinc matrix
Good luck arranging demonstration in mainland China.
I was thinking moreso somewhere in Africa
verbal junco
I've heard volunteers have managed to free slaves and get slave owner's arrested
if you want to dedicate your life to moving sand out of the desert one speck at a time, be my guest
fathom wadi
I curse more than I probably should, but then I don't see it as foul language. It's emphasis inside a language. This is 2022. We should be way past all that restrictive language by now. But I guess some people are raised to believe it's bad because it's impolite or other people don't like it.
zinc matrix
if you want to dedicate your life to moving sand out of the desert one speck at ...
But isn't some progress better than none?
quasi mantle
I curse more than I probably should, but then I don't see it as foul language. I...
"Hey, Ron, can we say 'fuck' in the game?"
- id Software, 1993
verbal junco
But isn't some progress better than none?
it isn't progress. one slave owner arrested means nothing in the grand scheme of things. you aren't fixing the issues that cause slavery in the first place
zinc matrix
it isn't progress. one slave owner arrested means nothing in the grand scheme of...
But I'd at least be helping to improve someone's life, right?
fathom wadi
heh I was playing The Division 2 yesterday in a team, and everytime an NPC swore I would say on comms, in my posh british accent "Well there's no need for that language" 😄
zinc matrix
You guys seem kinda pessimistic about this
fathom wadi
"Take care of yourselves, and then take care of someone else" - George Carlin
verbal junco
But I'd at least be helping to improve someone's life, right?
I refer to my previous analogy about moving sand
quasi mantle
But I'd at least be helping to improve someone's life, right?
I applaud your commitment.
But for poor folks in Africa, least you can help them is actually getting them jobs and gigs.
zinc matrix
I applaud your commitment.
But for poor folks in Africa, least you can help the...
True, and job opportunities are hard there
zinc matrix
"Take care of yourselves, and then take care of someone else" - George Carlin
Good advice
verbal junco
nevermind education and setting them up with enough food and water to survive
quasi mantle
True, and job opportunities are hard there
Offer them training on skills that can make them money.
And that's why you offer them from overseas.
zinc matrix
Well maybe I could guide them to an organization that helps them do that
fathom wadi
I can understand that. I guess if you were raised to hear cursing as an aggressive or intimidating tone, it could be quite bashful on the senses. I used to feel that way when people swore but I'm 45 and people didn't used to curse so much when I was a kid, so when they did it felt personal
verbal junco
we should have a superhero movie about this
HEY YOURE FREE NOW. GO FAIL LIFE ON YOUR OWN
quasi mantle
You guys seem kinda pessimistic about this
I think it's more about being realistic than being overly ambitious
zinc matrix
I think it's more about being realistic than being overly ambitious
Well what if I taught them how to farm?
Farmers are always needed
Or maybe to fish
verbal junco
yeah I don't think you'll find anyone being actually pro slavery here. but you'd be naive to think you can make a difference by getting slave owners arrested
quasi mantle
Well what if I taught them how to farm?
I'm sure it's going to lead to exploitation all over again
zinc matrix
yeah I don't think you'll find anyone being actually pro slavery here. but you'd...
So are you basically saying the people who already do this are doing it for nothing?
verbal junco
it's a vicious cycle. freed slaves become the next generation of slave owners
fathom wadi
There isn't enough land for everyone to be farmers. Plus we need more animators because I cba doing it anymore.
quasi mantle
Consider examples of palm oil farmer exploitations going on somewhere in northern east of Indonesia.
fathom wadi
I'm a farmer. I say farmer, I play Path of Exile looking for the best loot.
zinc matrix
I guess really all I can do is hope they have a happy afterlife
verbal junco
right so you want to free slaves from their slave owners by killing them?
regal pecan
I always enjoyed the thought that ancient slaves were entitled to compensation and could eventually afford to buy their own freedom.
verbal junco
that's a bit extreme innit
zinc matrix
right so you want to free slaves from their slave owners by killing them?
No, I mean just when they die without my interference
verbal junco
No, I mean just when they die without my interference
but you have freed them, so you have technically interfered
that would be too easy
zinc matrix
but you have freed them, so you have technically interfered
No I mean I'm saying I shouldn't do anything at all about it while I'm alive except hope they have a happy afterlife when it's their time to die
I may be agnostic but I still see why people need religion
verbal junco
okay but... why not just wish them a happy life first?
quasi mantle
No I mean I'm saying I shouldn't do anything at all about it while I'm alive exc...
For all they know, they bring food to the table for their kids
zinc matrix
I just hate overly dogmatic religion
verbal junco
everyone, I wish you all a happy afterlife
fathom wadi
I prefer catmatic religion. It's purrrrfect
quasi mantle
And I sure have no business to unironically tell someone if they're going to hell or not.
zinc matrix
okay but... why not just wish them a happy life first?
Because that's pointless if they're doomed to be slaves
Cats are stupid
They eat their own shit too
fathom wadi
How can we goto hell when hell is here on Earth? I think we just transition to another level of hell. One where anime plays 24/7. Not the good stuff either. The tentacle stuff ¬_¬
quasi mantle
I've seen videos on them, so I can imagine how
zinc matrix
But I guess dogs are stupid in that regard too
verbal junco
Because that's pointless if they're doomed to be slaves
I think you'll find that even in times of adversity you can find reasons to be happy sometimes
quasi mantle
How can we goto hell when hell is here on Earth? I think we just transition to ...
But anime in hell on earth is only available through mods
zinc matrix
I think you'll find that even in times of adversity you can find reasons to be h...
Come to think of it, what's the point of doing anything at all if we're all gonna die anyway?
quasi mantle
insert unlimited amount of DOOM II reference here
fathom wadi
I struggle everyday with the pondering thought of hanging myself from a tree. But I find joy everytime I see my kids. It's a truly baffling dichotomy of life.
verbal junco
Come to think of it, what's the point of doing anything at all if we're all gonn...
congratulations, you are now on the path
zinc matrix
I struggle everyday with the pondering thought of hanging myself from a tree. B...
I don't want kids because we already have 7 billion people on the planet making living conditions harder and we don't need more
quasi mantle
I struggle everyday with the pondering thought of hanging myself from a tree. B...
Out of topic, but you play classic Doom games?
zinc matrix
The answer to solving world problems isn't by fucking like rabbits
verbal junco
Come to think of it, what's the point of doing anything at all if we're all gonn...
when the young student asked the question, the old master then asked him, "have you eaten your rice? then wash your bowl"
fathom wadi
we do need more. Good ones. Ones that don't grow up into corporate arseholes or twitter users.
quasi mantle
I don't want kids because we already have 7 billion people on the planet making ...
I want kids at some point, and I want to raise them as a competent thinker
fathom wadi
Out of topic, but you play classic Doom games?
I've played Doom 1, 2, final doom, 3 and some of Eternal (but I didn't enjoy it).
zinc matrix
I want kids at some point, and I want to raise them as a competent thinker
So you'd rather spend all that money on them than on people who already exist and need help?
fathom wadi
Life is about procreation.
verbal junco
life is whatever you want it to be
zinc matrix
Life is about procreation.
Not necessarily
fathom wadi
yeah but statistically you wont be happy in older age if you don't have a family. Thats a fact
quasi mantle
I've played Doom 1, 2, final doom, 3 and some of Eternal (but I didn't enjoy it)...
Oh yeah I played the trilogy and Final Doom
Personally didn't really like the new ones much
verbal junco
no point in turning yourself into a baby making machine if you hate kids
quasi mantle
So you'd rather spend all that money on them than on people who already exist an...
What if I say yes?
zinc matrix
What if I say yes?
Well then I think you don't have your priorities straight, but that's just my opinion
regal pecan
You get better tax breaks for raising your own suffering poor, though.
zinc matrix
You get better tax breaks for raising your own suffering poor, though.
I see
fathom wadi
There is a saying "Charity begins at home". It doesn't refer to just handing out benefits to your loved ones, its more philosophically about how the human must take care of those around them to feel fulfilled. You can't take care of everyone, so you focus efforts on those you love first. If that is your own kids, or someone else's kids, or just helping random people, it's all about your localised space and what you can do. That's what makes kids so important to happiness for the majority.
zinc matrix
How?
verbal junco
if I had kids I wouldn't raise them to be competent thinkers. I would give them games that would allow them to accumulate wealth
and rapidly
zinc matrix
Whatever
Ultimately idk what to do
I could be a game dev but
Seems unethical now
fathom wadi
be an ethical game dev then
verbal junco
everything is unethical
quasi mantle
I've played Doom 1, 2, final doom, 3 and some of Eternal (but I didn't enjoy it)...
I don't really know why but I find more enjoyment with classic Doom games. Maybe the simplicity or moddability, or UGC and source ports the community made over the years
verbal junco
living is unethical
zinc matrix
be an ethical game dev then
I can't really be one if most electronics use slave labor though, right?
verbal junco
living means you are killing other beings for sustenance. is that ethical?
zinc matrix
living is unethical
Wym?
zinc matrix
living means you are killing other beings for sustenance. is that ethical?
That's why I'm thinking of being a vegetarian
verbal junco
That's why I'm thinking of being a vegetarian
you're still killing plants
quasi mantle
That's why I'm thinking of being a vegetarian
I already guessed.
zinc matrix
you're still killing plants
Yeah but plants aren't sentient
quasi mantle
Plants are living being tho
regal pecan
Distinguish ethics and morality. You can be an ethical murderer. It's called soldiering. 😄
verbal junco
not saying it's not good to become a vegetarian, but you're basically moving goalposts if you're an ethical vegetarian
fathom wadi
I don't really know why but I find more enjoyment with classic Doom games. Maybe...
Gameplay is king. That is my rule for game dev over everything. DooM wasn't centered on the best graphics or flashy effects. It had core gameplay, with level design to match. These days games have lost a lot of that. That's why I still keep emulators because when I start finding myself in the generic game mode of game dev, I take time out to play focused gameplay elements and push them into my design.
quasi mantle
Yeah but plants aren't sentient
They're sentient, just not in the way animalia creatures are sentient
verbal junco
Yeah but plants aren't sentient
they're still life
zinc matrix
They're sentient, just not in the way animalia creatures are sentient
Yeah but it's not like they have brains to think and reason
verbal junco
and if we talk about sentience, we should give a lot more credence to fungi
and yet... they are too delicious
zinc matrix
Well
quasi mantle
Gameplay is king. That is my rule for game dev over everything. DooM wasn't cent...
I myself have going back to full on doom modding, currently making megawad for MBF-compat ports
fathom wadi
nice
zinc matrix
Can I at least strive to be ethical for fellow humans?
quasi mantle
Can I at least strive to be ethical for fellow humans?
Yes. Be ethical with your neighbours and friends
verbal junco
hannibal was right 😔
quasi mantle
Not as grand scale as kids in Africa, but your neighbours and friends are human beings nonetheless
zinc matrix
Is there a way I can be an ethical game dev without exploiting slave labor?
fathom wadi
hannibal was right 😔
hah that made me think of a man riding an elephant across the mountains eating a human leg like a chicken wing.
quasi mantle
Is there a way I can be an ethical game dev without exploiting slave labor?
Yes.
verbal junco
Can I at least strive to be ethical for fellow humans?
I think that message about being able to look yourself in the mirror every day is what you're looking for
regal pecan
Cannibalism is only popular where there's a lack of livestock. Humans seem to prefer eating the largest thing available, given a choice.
timber viper
Lounge looks weirder than ever today
zinc matrix
Not as grand scale as kids in Africa, but your neighbours and friends are human ...
They still have first world white privilege though
timber viper
Hi 👋
quasi mantle
Is there a way I can be an ethical game dev without exploiting slave labor?
Be a reasonable leader.
verbal junco
hah that made me think of a man riding an elephant across the mountains eating a...
a true king
regal pecan
I have to wonder what the reasoning was for the first person to try killing a mammoth.
fathom wadi
to make a wooly house
zinc matrix
I have to wonder what the reasoning was for the first person to try killing a ma...
just 'cus
quasi mantle
They still have first world white privilege though
They're still human beings
verbal junco
I have to wonder what the reasoning was for the first person to try killing a ma...
fear?
quasi mantle
I'm not even that racist.
Heck, American issues flew off my head completely
Just not worth my time thinking too hard on it when I don't even live there
zinc matrix
Be a reasonable leader.
Do you know of any electronics companies that don't use slave labor?
fathom wadi
none of them use it if you ask them
verbal junco
well that's good enough for me, brb ordering a new smartphone
quasi mantle
Do you know of any electronics companies that don't use slave labor?
Do your own research, you know your own standards better than I am, some stranger in the east side.
zinc matrix
Can't you just live in the wilderness or something?
Seems to have the least impact on anything if that's what one's concern is
fathom wadi
slave labour at the corporate level is done vicariously through smaller companies and outsourcing. They never take the blame. Like Apple who have been caught on at least 3 separate occasions but always say "we will try harder to get it out of the supply line" and never do.
verbal junco
Can't you just live in the wilderness or something?
sure but you might turn into a unabomber type character anyway
zinc matrix
Can't you just live in the wilderness or something?
That won't help anyone though; that's just avoiding the problems of society rather than trying to fix it
timber viper
fathom wadi
I'm gonna become the Unobomber and beat the system with a set of brightly coloured cards.
verbal junco
That won't help anyone though; that's just avoiding the problems of society rath...
the problem is: you do not have the means to fix society
zinc matrix
One human rarely changes the world as a whole
zinc matrix
the problem is: you do not have the means to fix society
I know, but I can at least contribute to the solution, right?
verbal junco
I'm gonna become the Unobomber and beat the system with a set of brightly colour...
I was gonna say careful someone doesn't pull the reverse card on you but I'm already too late
zinc matrix
You can make differences for your neighbours
quasi mantle
the problem is: you do not have the means to fix society
I feel like the intentions are noble, but the goal would be too full of himself
verbal junco
the intention is the idealism every young western kid has either fresh out of uni or just before uni
fathom wadi
The law of Karma states that if you do something good for others, good things will happen to you, but if you believe that and only do good things to get good things back, surely that's self-defeating?
verbal junco
the intention is the idealism every young western kid has either fresh out of un...
just to be clear, it's a fool's errand to try and chase this
and it takes years to mature from it
quasi mantle
The law of Karma states that if you do something good for others, good things wi...
Yes, and people got scammed out of thousands of US dollars because of it
I know one local preachers running a charity scam
verbal junco
well pick a different country than finland then. you don't have to start on hard mode
quasi mantle
"give more and you'll get millions tomorrow"
The preacher proceeds to by a bunch of fancy cars
zinc matrix
Well ultimately will I make the problem of slave labor worse as a game dev?
verbal junco
you make the problem of slave labor worse by existing
verbal junco
whether you make games or not doesn't matter
zinc matrix
you make the problem of slave labor worse by existing
So I should kill myself?
quasi mantle
So I should kill myself?
No, but you're clearly overthinking this
zinc matrix
Well ultimately will I make the problem of slave labor worse as a game dev?
if you are constantly upgrading your hardware, yes, you are continuing to it
fathom wadi
"give more and you'll get millions tomorrow"
The preacher proceeds to by a bunc...
"God never meant for us to fly, that's why he never gave us wings, but he did allow us to build aircraft so send $100 to the Church of the Subgenius so we can fly as God intended" - Bob
zinc matrix
if you are constantly upgrading your hardware, yes, you are continuing to it
I figured
maybe you can but second hand stuff
zinc matrix
"God never meant for us to fly, that's why he never gave us wings, but he did al...
Bob who? Bob Ross? Bob Hope? Bob Barker? Bob Saget?
verbal junco
So I should kill myself?
my point is that your ideals aren't worth your time. live for the moment and stop chasing the dragon of being able to fulfill some grand purpose
quasi mantle
I figured
If you're working for someone else, even the 9 to 5 odd jobs, according to your standards, you're subjecting yourself to slavery
zinc matrix
my point is that your ideals aren't worth your time. live for the moment and sto...
"Superman was never real. Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas."
zinc matrix
he still isn't
His ideals are real to me though
fathom wadi
I became self-employed for the reason that I was exploited and extorted for wages. Now I am my own boss and I only exploit myself so I can live with that
quasi mantle
Just like easter bunny told me Christmas isn't real
verbal junco
but if you're thinking you can fix all of the world's problems - alone even - then you should reconsider your approach
or you could also go rogue and say "fuck this internet person, I do what I want" and then suffer for the next 10 years as you slowly come to grips with the insurmountable amount of work you'd have to do to succeed
fathom wadi
Why do we even have the Easter Bunny? I read the Bible and not once did it mention a rabbit that gives away chocolate eggs. We should have an Easter Rock and some wire-fu where people simulate the ascension.
quasi mantle
or you could also go rogue and say "fuck this internet person, I do what I want"...
The perfect would would be you're doing absolutely nothing and still get food, but then your slave are the one bringing them to the table.
There, I made a variant of the loop
Does she speedrun games?
quasi mantle
Multi instrumentalist, eh?
(tbh I only tune in to Twitch for speedruning streamers)
verbal junco
Does she speedrun games?
if you're not careful she'll speedrun your heart, any%
quasi mantle
if you're not careful she'll speedrun your heart, any%
Nah, I don't fall for Pokimane, if that's of any proof.
fathom wadi
I really like this lady. She's got that mental sense of humour that reminds me of Zappa
quasi mantle
I really like this lady. She's got that mental sense of humour that reminds me o...
Frank Zappa?
quasi mantle
I only know Frank Zappa for his glorious hairs and mustache tbh
fathom wadi
One of the greatest guitarists of all time and a genius composer
zinc matrix
but if you're thinking you can fix all of the world's problems - alone even - th...
But I don't think that; I know I can't solve all the world's problems; not even Superman could; I just don't know the best way to use my skills and time the best I can to help others
verbal junco
I only watch casino slots on Twitch. Im a degenerate
I watch bars go up and down all day religiously
zinc matrix
I'd like to be a game dev, but idk if it's really the optimal thing for bettering the lives of those who are living in Hell on Earth
verbal junco
But I don't think that; I know I can't solve all the world's problems; not even ...
think of yourself first. think of what you are good at. then consider how you can use your skills for good instead of for evil
sharp turtle
I'd like to be a game dev, but idk if it's really the optimal thing for betterin...
I think if your primary ambition is to significantly improve life for others, then no, it's probably not the best way to do that.
timber viper
Addicted
zinc matrix
think of yourself first. think of what you are good at. then consider how you ca...
Thing is what I'm good at and what's best for society isn't always what I'm passionate about, but I guess it's a sacrifice worth making
sharp turtle
But it's worth thinking about whether you really need to have a huge impact, or if you can be happy having just made a net positive impact
verbal junco
Thing is what I'm good at and what's best for society isn't always what I'm pass...
if you're killing yourself making other people happy you'll burn out before you hit 30
sharp turtle
improve the lives of a few people by a small amount, by making them smile when they wouldn't have
fathom wadi
NFT's for Peace is the way forward. By peace I mean the sudden onset of global warming and extinction of the planet. I'm selling this idea as an NFT on Scamart website 😄
zinc matrix
I know you guys shit on me for liking Superman, but I don't care if he's fictional; what he represents is real to me and is the ideal way to live imo
sharp turtle
MARC STOP
fathom wadi
😄
quasi mantle
I'd like to be a game dev, but idk if it's really the optimal thing for betterin...
The ones who made Hell on Earth have good lives.
I know Carmack is an absolute genius, and managed to buy himself ferrari and stuff
verbal junco
I know you guys shit on me for liking Superman, but I don't care if he's fiction...
what like, in an ice palace on the south pole away from people?
zinc matrix
The ones who made Hell on Earth have good lives.
I know Carmack is an absolute ...
Yeah and the irony is that people often think being rich and throwing money at stuff is the best way to solve problems, but that isn't always the case
verbal junco
what like, in an ice palace on the south pole away from people?
or hiding away your true colors feigning to be someone else because you can't be who you truly are?
quasi mantle
I don't know how you missed my Doom reference, but oh well
verbal junco
not ideals I would go by
quasi mantle
Doom runs on anything, but I get that not everyone knows it