are you sure ?
#lounge
median wraith
actually more than x2
the most expensive 3.5GB of VRam of your life
๐
got a friend that does cancer research at the university
they used something like SSSS to spot cancers
and have a 3090RTX
light spruce
I wish I was baked two times, nahmean?
median wraith
and he claims it don't have the enough power even with x2
๐
he had these prior the crisis for 1500โฌ each
median wraith
@light spruce @unborn lotus got here a scene that takes 30 seconds to compile on CPU, lets see how compares
median wraith
Lumberyard have gone full open source
at least is apache
that's Lumberyard ?
what ?
median wraith
"OPEN 3D ENGINE LICENSING
The default license for Open 3D Engine is the Apache License, Version 2.0
(see LICENSE_APACHE2.TXT); you may elect at your option to use the Open 3D
Engine under the MIT License (see LICENSE_MIT.TXT). Contributions must be
made under both licenses."
you can choose MIT too
but tbh are kinda similar
light spruce
I can't wait for someone to still be swearing that Windows 7 is the best thing ever by the time Windows 12 rolls around. Also can't wait for someone to inevitably re-theme 11, 12, and however many after to look like Windows XP
median wraith
Rip Godot
light spruce
And yet ... you're still an idiot if you use that dogshit cry engine
median wraith
Also O3DE sounds kinda bad in spanish
well Cryengine used to be all realtime
from what I know this have the last updates from Cryengine V
don't expect the platforms support for consoles and these things UE4 have
but will got you covered on PC and VR pretty sure
light spruce
just installing Lumberyard fucked up and pissed me off
Is there even a commercial product available that was built with it?
median wraith
Anyway this can be a good chance for Godot and other engines to get code or whatever
median wraith
Is there even a commercial product available that was built with it?
yeah that space game
hows called ?
solid aurora
Star Citizen
and no
they are not really using Lumberyard
they cloud just as well start from scratch
light spruce
Yeah, I meant something that actually exists
light spruce
They might as well, since it will never be released anyway
median wraith
anyway the base of Cryengine to the public is nice
light spruce
It's probably about as useful as the leaked Frostbite stuff
median wraith
well that one wasn't able to be used XD
here you can copy paste
the whole internal libs
solid aurora
no
though
if you are fan of starting from scratch
actually one thing
component system
light spruce
Oh, actually, there were two things released using it
Coffence and The Grand Tour Game
And The Grand Tour Game was delisted a year ago
median wraith
Well the voxel GI if you want it
but right now UE5 have it too so
still the cost is way higher, but don't see anyone using it for the GI when the rest of tools are kinda limited
light spruce
archvis is about the only useful application of GI currently
median wraith
@unborn lotus
First test looks kinda strange
well the sun is doing nothing
almost looks inverted ?
well inverted looks like this
light spruce
https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-grand-tour-game Well, that sounds about as fantastic as I thought it would have.
median wraith
@unborn lotus only works for total static lights
๐
10 years waiting for this
median wraith
no stationary?
nope lol
basically a tool for archviz
I fail to find the use here
light spruce
"I'm almost always right eventually"
faint dock
i think @median wraith is slowly realising that Jensen personally has disabled RTX on his card
because he complained for years how useless it was ๐
median wraith
XD
median wraith
Well to me is fine if you add GPU computing at lightmaps, kinda like Blender etc
just don't get why at this point still don't work/have any use for games
in other hand I'm trying something because I think I got something broken on my side
light spruce
RTX: Because you want a "more cinematic" look of 24FPS
graceful sequoia
yeah it should work afaik
median wraith
maybe is the forward shading
graceful sequoia
oh yeah probably
forward shading is much more limited in render features
and if that's lumen I seem to remember hearing it's deferred only right now?
median wraith
maybe
well technically the actors getting affected by static light should be basic
light spruce
technically, I need to go get something to eat... but ...........
bullshit; it's 0.3
terse wasp
Rip Godot
I actually don't see this as a "rip godot" situation. A lot of people REALLY like Godot for how small it is, as well as the node/scene system. This is another engine following entity-component.
median wraith
light spruce
Can't decide between "a boring dystopia" or "knockoff cyberpunk"
light spruce
bitpence
glossy hamlet
peak beacon
how do i palm?
light spruce
I wonder if OJ got himself a new white bronco
light spruce
how exactly do you come by that conclusion?
regal pecan
Frac -> Floor
o.O
peak beacon
what does frac do
regal pecan
frac(123.456) = 0.456
floor(0.456) = 0
I should think.
carmine frigate
isnt ur frac abs?
peak beacon
floor > 4.651651 = 4 ?
carmine frigate
abs is allways piositive i think
looks nice tho
did u do all fingers seperate, cuz than thats prolly the problem
carmine frigate
my modellin is a bit rusty but i think thats like 4 hours tops to make 1 finger and dupe it
how many times did u look at ur fingers when making em?
ahh you dont have fingers , that explains why it took so long ๐
regal pecan
Day 1: I want to make this with nurbs. I can't make this with nurbs.
Day 2: I want to make this with sub-d. I don't know how to make this with sub-d.
Day 3: I want to make this with booleans. No, I don't want to make this with booleans.
Day 4: I don't want to make this with polys. I'll do it some other way.
Day 5: I got bored and made this with polys.
How is modo doing these days?
carmine frigate
i would have used basic shapes
soft night
low pine
^SSS Terminator ftw!
median wraith
frac(123.456) = 0.456
floor(0.456) = 0
I should think.
True missed to multiply
๐ค
quasi mantle
https://tenor.com/view/hands-cyborg-artificial-alita-movie-alita-battle-angel-gi...
I thought this was Manny hand lol
light spruce
cyberpunk bloodborne
soft night
the battle angel alita hand
quasi mantle
the battle angel alita hand
I know
The movie is quite kino IMO
carmine frigate
i thought the movie was allright
that 2nd alita gif looks cool tho is that from something?
stoic turtle
light spruce
Spending too much time on your ass or on your feet either one aren't great for you
Unless you really want to invest in some sit/stand monstrosity... just get up and wander around for a bit every hour
carmine frigate
id get a standing desk, but my chair doesnt reach that high
tulip orbit
standing desks are great for places like a warehouse where you're just there for a few minutes, then running around and such
carmine frigate
thats totally a thing u could sell tho
tulip orbit
I want a sleeping desk ๐
quasi mantle
Those movable tables are way better
Like you can slide it up if you want to stand up, and slide it down if you want to sit down.
tulip orbit
yes ๐
carmine frigate
if i look at that standing desk, his monitor is not the right height, and the desk above his elbows
your face should be dead center of the monitor
also his monitor is off, what the hell is he doin?
contemplating life or some shit?
carmine frigate
hey IT.. my desk is weird and my chair is too low
yea it does look like none of his stuff is plugged
pretty sharp there
light spruce
"Or the gunman out of frame threatening to kill us all if we aren't in physical contact"
graceful sequoia
how is having no furniture different than usual?
light spruce
I'm working on a sketch of a jellyfish to turn into a large painting for my new place in an effort to get a woman to speak to me again.
regal pecan
A large painting of a jellyfish is its own reward.
zinc matrix
light spruce
Unless it sucks.
tulip orbit
if you really want her attention, swap out the jellyfish for an octopus, and include her
median wraith
Well 0.5ms of whole scene render at 1440p
that's a win win
and managed to get it working with the static light maps so that's all
light spruce
An amusing idea... but the connotations of that... not so great with her history.
Also, it'd be a little weird to have that on the wall.
tulip orbit
ok, paint her mom in instead ๐
light spruce
Truly, a brother in arms.
tulip orbit
๐
spare glade
But can it run Crysis?
graceful sequoia
if it weren't for tons of licensing baggage in unreal I feel like they'd open that up too, now that Fortnite revenue dwarfs unreal revenue by so much
quasi mantle
Also according to Amazon, O3DE omits "2 million lines".
So no longer CryEngine remnants?
spare glade
Unreal is open source, you just cant steal its code and use it outside of Unreal...
quasi mantle
Unreal is open source, you just cant steal its code and use it outside of Unreal...
The proper term would be source-available.
median wraith
The proper term would be **source-available**.
Oh no the never ending war
quasi mantle
It's just that Unreal Engine licence being free gives the impression of open source.
graceful sequoia
yeah source available, the definition of open source is that you can steal the code
median wraith
Let's say then Unreal Engine isn't libre
graceful sequoia
well not technically
they are definitely going in the direction of letting go of ue4 licensing revenue in favor of the network effects of an open engine
spare glade
Getting hung up on the technicalities is a wasted exercise.
graceful sequoia
Getting hung up on the technicalities is a wasted exercise.
thank you I don't have the energy for a war of definitions
I think epic rightfully sees that Fortnite as a platform will make more money than ue as a platform ever could, and no one's saying they would drop some reasonable profit on the unreal marketplace anyway
quasi mantle
I mean, https://github.com/EpicGames/UnrealEngine still 404 without GitHub accounts under their org.
spare glade
Fortnite will be a money maker so long as they keep up with demand.
Its lifetime is limited, like every other game.
Hence having UE itself as a platform and continuing to improve it along the way is smart.
graceful sequoia
I would venture a guess that MS and GitHub wouldn't be super stoked about hosting a hugely popular, very heft git repository that is not actually open source for free
spare glade
As it will outlive fortnite.
quasi mantle
Though some people named UE as Fortnite Engine at this point. ๐
And UE5 is Fortnite Engine 2
carmine frigate
i talked to some1 from epic and he said something about lumberyard .. and he wasnt allowed to talk about it
quasi mantle
Not even UT got ported to UE5, so Unreal Engine no longer has meaningful associations with Unreal IP.
graceful sequoia
unreal engine is definitely more valuable ip than unreal the game at this point
carmine frigate
some stuff not said told me a whole lot i guess
B4 lumberyard i think a deal with epic was on the table and they didnt take
spare glade
Not even UT got ported to UE5, so Unreal Engine no longer has meaningful associa...
UT was dead long before UE5 was probably conceived.
graceful sequoia
I do miss those monster kills though
quasi mantle
UT was dead long before UE5 was probably conceived.
Which is kinda shame, even though boomer arena shooter genre is pretty much limping at this point.
Arena shooter is pretty much turned into battle royale fiesta.
carmine frigate
UT is still good tho. not many servers but still some
spare glade
B4 lumberyard i think a deal with epic was on the table and they didnt take
Amazon probably wanted full control, id say Tim wouldnt agree to that.
Crytek were in basically the opposite position.
They had no money and no valuable IPs worth pushing forward.
They couldnt stand on their own 2 feet, so they sold what asset they had... Cryengine.
carmine frigate
epic went time 10 or more cuz fortnite and amazon spends over a billion a year on their game dept and make 0 games
spare glade
Id say money was not the biggest factor.
quasi mantle
They couldnt stand on their own 2 feet, so they sold what asset they had... Crye...
Even then CryEngine 5 adoption is so minuscule, arguably compared to Unity.
Aside of Kingdom Come Deliverance, which was touted as CryEngine's "killer app" post Crysis.
carmine frigate
money is allways the biggest factor ๐
quasi mantle
Then Crysis Remastered pretty much underwhelmed everyone
carmine frigate
you are sorta right tho, amazon was ready to drop loads of money
spare glade
I think its naive to imagine that was meant to save them...
quasi mantle
IIRC, Crysis Remastered weren't even built with CE 5, but updated CE 3 of sorts.
carmine frigate
5% is not much for a team of 100, but 5% is a load of you put 5000 people on it
large scale deals
so when the deal didnt take they dropped UE entirely but thats just what i think
pure speculation
quasi mantle
5% is not much for a team of 100, but 5% is a load of you put 5000 people on it
Probably they couldn't get away even with custom licencing.
5% royalty share were meant for general gamedev licence - Epic offers a way to do outright payment with custom licence, just like with UE3 and before it.
carmine frigate
yea but large scale deals, if you buy 50% of epic and u pay 5% you get 2.5% back
fortnite still runs on amazon servers so there prolly isnt much bad blood, but also feels like he is rubbin it in a bit :p
light spruce
Two options that aren't suitable for serious development!
Well.. you might be able to do a serious 2D game in godot
I know the 3d performance is pretty awful
And I still think the 23958235 hooks for different languages is a dumb idea
like.... brb I'm going to write a game in a mixture of COBOL and QBasic
graceful sequoia
like.... brb I'm going to write a game in a mixture of COBOL and QBasic
throw in python and UIs in CEF and JavaScript and I'm in
light spruce
Awesome. You write all the code. I'll write all the story and it will just be my dumb life. And the gameplay can be as involved as Disco Elysium and a bunch of people can claim it's amazing because you can run around dressed like a dipshit.
I don't understand the praise that game got. I played through it a few times to make sure I didn't miss something amazing. The most interesting aspect of it is a sub-plot that's completely missable
quasi mantle
I don't even know Disco Elysium.
light spruce
The idea of physics breaking down in places so they just kind of ... catapulted planes through "the pale" because they'd eventually stop generating thrust and lift is pretty cool
deep glen
i thought it was one of the best games ive played this year. ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
light spruce
I give it points for being the only game where I've died inside of 30 seconds because I failed to pull a tie off a ceiling fan
The "thought cabinet" was an interesting idea which was really not supported by the game progression
"I'm once again reminded of how Contact Mike rose from the slums of Saint-Batiste to the top of the boxing world, overcoming adversity and serious brain trauma. Nothing is coming -- nothing he wouldn't knock out in three rounds. The real fight is for the right attitude."
pearl elk
Which is kinda shame, even though boomer arena shooter genre is pretty much limp...
this boomer shooter makes no sense to me, my Dad never liked em. If anything it should be a Millennial shooter
or is it because he gave me the disks to Doom
light spruce
"boomer" is one of those key words that indicates "stop listening to me"
pearl elk
I immediately picture the person in a nappy tbh
John Carmack is Gen-X same with Romero, Sweeney... Gabe Newell is a Boomer though
fathom wadi
labels are for jars of baby food.
light spruce
is it too late to drink arsenic?
pearl elk
if youre not internet famous by 5 you'll never make it anyways
light spruce
true
now I really want whiskey though
so thanks
no ๐ฆ
YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAD TO RECORD ON?
TAPES
YOU KNOW WHO SAW ANY OF IT?
NO ONE
pearl elk
this is the song I used to put on repeat while rewinding tapes
but eventually I got smart, Id record the same thing on both sides of the tape so I could flip it over and play it again ๐
graceful sequoia
#cpp continuation for any interested
summing it up, bp gets the short end of the stick in terms of first class citizen in the engine, despite epic relying on it heavily
well its dead
thats how it goes ๐
regal pecan
Looking up the definition of first class citizen that's kind of an odd statement.
hollow iron
I just got DMed by someone from here advertising his services as an game advertiser on Spotify. Says he has 10 million streams. Just exactly how often do people get those kinds of messages.. 
I will not review unsolicited services.
Anyhow. My recent game jam game with UE5 went well!
I am very impressed, though my poor GTX 1060 isn't fond of me right now.
I built the whole level out of simple 1 meter blocks that had around 10 or so thousand triangles each, and I have at least a hundred blocks in there. Nanite is very effective. Lumen is also a life saver here because it is a dark horror game, though Lumen does complain on occasion when I have super bright and super small emission sources around.
unborn lotus
I have a 1060 too, UE5 in general is just too slow for me, including viewport navigation or menus
carmine frigate
can you turn on per poly collision on nanite?
cursive crypt
#granite
light spruce
I titanfell all over some stuff
quasi mantle
If UE5 is that slow, Epic shouldn't cut off life support for UE4
foggy path
I haven't heard UE5 being slow unless you have Lumen enabled :P
Turn off Lumen and it runs decent on older hardware
My friend with a 970 or whatever it was runs it okay as long as Lumen is off
quasi mantle
Though UE4.0 is still available anyway
Like barely anyone used 4.0 nowadays, but it's still available in the launcher and source code isn't obliterated from the repo
regal pecan
can you turn on per poly collision on nanite?
In the docs it mentions that Nanite generates a proxy mesh with a minimum of 2000 polys, used for collision and other things.
carmine frigate
minimum?
regal pecan
You could set the proxy mesh to 100% if you're daring.
cursive crypt
I think he wants not 2000, but 2
regal pecan
Collision with two polygons is cursed.
light spruce
that gif is my life
I DON'T LIKE BEING TOUCHED
I keep drawing jellyfish.. and all I can see is drippy bellends
foggy path
https://tenor.com/view/alone-boy-playing-simpsons-milhouse-gif-17215384
Isn't this basically frisbee golf lol
torpid star
we all know no one here has friends
light spruce
yeah
shell garden
hmm
stanley parable doesn't seem to like me
ok, got it to go into 1440p mode
but it doesn't seem to like alt-tab out
quasi mantle
I guess the Source merits.
shell garden
borderless window will probably fix it
reminds me, i should see if prison architect is still unplayabley broken
wow it really hates changing graphics settings. probably confused by my dual monitors
cursive crypt
I liked PrisonArchitect until they started to require from me having a dedicated account. That's pita to set up.
light spruce
I liked it until I couldn't keep it from being an exact replica of the American prison system
cursive crypt
Haven't been there, can't compare. Also haven't played that game in few years. Prolly it changed much.
light spruce
You had all these things were you could give people education options and skills training... give people decent cells for being non-violent offenders....
And still, low security risk inmates will get into fights and make shivs and dig tunnels to escape when they're 6 months from parole
So, it basically wanted you to treat everyone like animals and keep them completely locked down, constantly searched and the cell conditions and other programs might as well not even be there
cursive crypt
I see. Hmm... never thought they shouldn't try to escape. Maybe they changed the AI last few years.
light spruce
If you're in prison... you've got a private cell, including your own shower, haven't committed any violent crimes, you're getting an education, going to... whatever religious classes or whatever... and you're not in for life...getting constantly assaulted, tazed, whatever... Pretty dumb idea to start hoarding forks and then somehow tunnel out through your toilet.
At least that was something that Rimworld did decently when you took someone prisoner
Also.. on the subject.. if you haven't seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWUn7gRmfiQ
cursive crypt
Yeah, btw Introversion Software is maybe the only studio whose all games I have played ๐ค
light spruce
I played Uplink and the demo of Defcon
I also played about six minutes of hacknet which is like Uplink only it's exactly like Uplink
foggy path
Hacknet's neat but I don't know if I'd compare it to Uplink
For one you can't get some ridiculous 48 CPU super hacking computer in it like you can in Uplink!
foggy path
who says it's not 48 threadrippers
light spruce
Then why the hell did I have to manually assign resources to shitty applications like "upload some garbage"?
foggy path
Efficient resource usage
light spruce
I just remember that hacknet seemed to have a pretty similar premise
And a superfluous CLI
foggy path
Yeah I mean it is somewhat similar in concept
light spruce
It'd be kind of interesting if someone made a game that ... you know.. had more than a passing similarity to Hollywood hacking
foggy path
NITE Team 4 is a bit more realistic take on it I think
cursive crypt
I just finished glancing over it, lol
shell garden
ok it turns out stanley parable hates msi afterburner ๐
foggy path
You need to do portscans and find exploits and such, etc.
cursive crypt
I think all was fine until the first toilet.
foggy path
Also stuff like DNS scans to find domains, or search engine scans to find other domains that are on the same server, if one of the others might be vulnerable
so it's definitely more in line with how you'd approach it in reality, but it's of course still a bit simplified
light spruce
Let's Game it Out is full of insanity
cursive crypt
Man... I still remember build a fantastic carrier, but I just goofed once and my ages long reign finished in a instant.
Talking about being a hacker
light spruce
Well, yeah... If it was too much like actual hacking... you'd need to .. you know.. how to actually write code and shit
cursive crypt
Oh, no. Breaching looks so boring.
light spruce
Real hacking is frequently not ... super exciting.
light spruce
Who doesn't wear hoodies?
quasi mantle
I don't
cursive crypt
The only hacker I knew about was just a dude who did it once, because some device vendor was fancying super secure PC (microcontroller + I/O and control logic). Took him just few days to replace the I/O port and put his code. Basically, the idea of not breaking the front metal door, but going through the opened window.
shell garden
the fuck sort of scale is this?
light spruce
You'll pry my Carhartt from my cold, dead hands
quasi mantle
As much as my alias suggests, I only wear hoodie as work or travelling attire.
shell garden
50% = 100MB/s?
i'll let you guess which batshit crazy, out-of-touch-with-users company this is
light spruce
Yeah, the "exciting" parts of hacking are on-premises stuff... social engineering... intercepting RFID scanner codes... putting hardware in place
just plain old lock bypasses
cursive crypt
Social engineering = charming the door lady to give you the door pass
light spruce
not the only part
A button down, clipboard, and a laminated ID will get you pretty fucking far
cursive crypt
Sounds cool.
light spruce
Also pretty much the same approach you use when wiring in a single board computer to a card scanner on the outside of a building.
Guy with a clipboard... obviously supervising the guy doing the work
cursive crypt
On that stage is knowing more about the different protocols.
light spruce
what kind of protocols are we talking about?
median wraith
was yesterday up the 5am fixing angles
cursive crypt
Hardware ones
cursive crypt
Or okay, software ones
light spruce
Yeah... it's knowing what kinds of cards they use
median wraith
at that of the 3 to 5am the compilation times goes fast and the world slow ๐
light spruce
But you can generally get hardware that will handle most, if not all of them
cursive crypt
Hmm... well many micros have tons of support, but... still, the boring is packets descriptions, type of data, blah blah
light spruce
And then you put the board between the actual reader and whatever it authenticates with... capture all the codes... then you can play them back without even having a card.
So, observation means you can figure out what code belongs to who.... so you can pick one to play back
light spruce
skimming
Though that would have been the more old school way... where you're just grabbing them without necessarily interrupting the normal process
cursive crypt
My ex have a class mate who is kinda famous in EU for that.
light spruce
instead of actively interrupting it so that you can send the same authorizations as though you scanned a card
The wonders of small chipsets and wifi
You basically need to clip four wires and attach the board in between
And make sure you know what kind of reader it is so you know if you need to use a magnet to defeat an anti-tamper switch
cursive crypt
Contemporary cache withdraw machines are kinda protected tho.
light spruce
easier ways to steal card numbers anyway
by which I mean "buy them from people who already stole them"
cursive crypt
I think recently there was some breach for data, they want/ed $70 mil
light spruce
Yeah. The double-down approach. We've encrypted your data so you can't access it. Also, we have it and we'll release it if you don't pay.
Which is why you should encrypt all of your data.
cursive crypt
Ransomware
light spruce
Watching this video just makes me want to play satisfactory...
so I can hate myself
I should make one of those friend things sometime to play with
torpid star
https://i.redd.it/0jrxjw8o8q971.jpg
least mobo's are cheap
unless you buy the ultra led version
with the useless plastic bits
deep glen
stares at his Rog Zenith II extreme
torpid star
_stares at his Rog Zenith II extreme_
oh wow I thought consumer boards were limited to 4 ram slots
deep glen
i mainly purchased it for the bleepload of m2 slots
torpid star
i mainly purchased it for the bleepload of m2 slots
I was about to buy a mobo with 4 ram slots, but thanks to your beautiful plastic gamer energy mobo I think I'll go with that one :D
deep glen
checks price dang, over here its 400,- more than it was when i purchased it
oh yea, also #hardware XD
torpid star
I'm coming from cpp, where our lounge is cpp and cpp is lounge
so this is hardware now smile
no ban pls
deep glen
median wraith
I have to check it but individual models with the same material are one draw call per mesh isn't ?
light spruce
I don't know that I'm going to get anywhere with this big stupid jellyfish
BUT I'M NOT SLEEPING UNTIL I DO
torpid star
I have to check it but individual models with the same material are one draw cal...
if the models are different yeah
same model/material = instanced
MID is a different material as well, that's why it's smart to use custom primitive data instead of creating one.
foggy path
My game's got hundreds of material instances because I generate textures dynamically :P Seems fine!
light spruce
HUNDREDS OF VIDEO COVERS
median wraith
I was thinking
if I use a texture atlas
and set the value via Mesh value rather than in the material
should be free ๐
torpid star
and set the value via Mesh value rather than in the material
yeah that's what I did. Create a huge texture 2d array atlas
feed the index through custom primitive data
1 dw per unique mesh draw call unlit scene :D
aka fake doom eternal bindless textures
since everything is already bound :D
median wraith
aka fake doom eternal bindless textures
wait what
show me that
not sure what you mean ๐
soft night
when everything is bound to unlit scene so its bindless textures then?
median wraith
what I don't get its why the custom primite data defaults cannot be set at material
oh, are set at mesh
finite jolt
Hey I'm having this issue where google wont open even though it says its open I was wondering if someone could help?
torpid star
when everything is bound to unlit scene so its bindless textures then?
just saying unlit scene because csm introduces new draw calls
- 1 per cascade on near meshes
median wraith
@torpid star Do you know how can reset the material timer ? ๐ค
torpid star
no idea
median wraith
Will do it manually
@torpid star there is a set for Vector3 but there is no Vector3 but only Vector4 values ๐
idk if you can set by index a single vector4 value
torpid star
<@!542625708397166593> there is a set for Vector3 but there is no Vector3 but on...
just use the vec4
if you need more stuff and u are sure u don't need the 4th value, just set the index to (last vec index + 3)
shell garden
i get the feeling that the stanley parable is meant to be played in 4:3 aspect ratio and not 16:9
the fov is weird
pearl elk
stanley parabole
shell garden
this game speaks to my heart
finite helm
i live
median wraith
So now you are Sol ?
finite helm
Sol?
finite helm
I think my brains are not working sob
finite helm
Well I took about a year and a half out from engineering for personal reasons, but I am all good now.
median wraith
noice
finite helm
Just got to figure out what I want to do.
I think i may have busted my portfolio
ops
median wraith
lol
finite helm
Cant decide if i want to do games engineering, deep learning neural network engineering or biomedical engineering ahhhhhhhh
lmfaooo
tulip orbit
I havent worked in a long time
pearl elk
Who needs work when your car goes Psshhhh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipYJxXL3ji8
finite helm
Hi there Interitus its been awhile
tulip orbit
Has it?
pearl elk
I dont even remember who I am
There was a time people called me the artist formally known as mons
then... the war came
pearl elk
you never heard of Luna Del Rei?
finite helm
Just left like a change was needed
tulip orbit
Should i have? 
tulip orbit
I dont like change 
pearl elk
war changes, no it doesnt, war.... it never changes
pearl elk
tulip orbit
Woo. just finished Horizon zero dawn's main story. now onto DLC. or possibly a nap?
pearl elk
Play till you drop
Youre not a real gamer till you fried an rgb keyboard with drool while being passed out on your kb
tulip orbit
keyboards make terrible pillows, FYI
pearl elk
I remember pillows
tulip orbit
real palm
I remember pillows
Did an errant assert finally take them out?
finite helm
I miss pillows
real palm
why
pearl elk
Did an errant assert finally take them out?
Possibly, maybe just threw UE in the bin
pearl elk
We say something similar but more nsfw here in Oz
real palm
Not my choice of words either
pearl elk
Yeah nah, whats this fresh water shark
Next youll be showing me sharks in those bubble makers
torpid star
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
azure chasm
<@!362639554437709824> You looking for me?
lmao yes, it actually might be a bit too late but I can still put in a good work for you if you interested in getting a paid position? also curious how you been, you've been ghost for quite some time.. also i know wrong channel sorry mods dont ban me today
azure chasm
i guess not right
i should try harder
how have you been ImmutableLambda, have they still not managed to mute you
real palm
Can't defy logical cohesion
finite helm
@azure chasm I'm good thank you, just took some time off for health reasons for my self, and maybe i am currently looking for work, drop me some deets in dm's
azure chasm
alright
azure chasm
<@!362639554437709824> I'm good thank you, just took some time off for health re...
i cant message you
cause we aren't friends ๐ฆ
carmine frigate
i only fell asleep on my keyboard once
azure chasm
at work or at home?
carmine frigate
at a friends place, MDMA was involved
azure chasm
dang, how DID you fall asleep then
finite helm
Fixed
azure chasm
on the 3rd day lol?
carmine frigate
mdma pure, no amphetamines in it
i dont do that stuff anymore tho, i think i got hit by a car that evening, and i woke up in some random car on the street
that was after i woke up on the keyboard tho
i really wouldnt know
most i know from that evening is hearsay
i have only like 5 times where i lost big chunks of what happened the evening
the other 4 were just alcohol
did fall asleep in my chair a few times but not on the keyboard ๐
azure chasm
i mean
who's never just waken up in the hospital
amiright
with no clue of how they got there
carmine frigate
well me, but that might be cuz my friends dont care that much ๐
azure chasm
dang lol
foggy path
me because I don't do stupid shit 
carmine frigate
laaame ๐
azure chasm
im an adult now though
carmine frigate
had to pick my brother up from the hospital last year, completely drunk and cocked out of his mind
not great fun
when i got there he was sorta sobered up cuz they put him on some IV or something, and the doc was all hey he was completely messed up 10 min ago
he tried to escape the hospital or some stupid shit
finite helm
Currently looking at some of my old work, and some of the snippets of code make me cower in fear
azure chasm
i think thats normal though
as we learn new patterns and what not, the old code looks bad in comparison
just hide the code, make the videos of the code in action, and boom, profit
like all those other guys that got ue4 grants and never made anything with them ๐
carmine frigate
yea its not goin to make sense in 10 min looking at it
you can open up any c++ class look at it for 5 min and go... hooo leee shiiit
azure chasm
he tried to escape the hospital or some stupid shit
how dare these people try to cure me
carmine frigate
ohh nice
carmine frigate
@azure chasm i bet he spend like at least 300$ to get in that state
and the ambulance trip was 2k$
median wraith
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2021-07-07-our-machinery-plans-to-take-a-...
another engine ?
carmine frigate
think 1k of the ambulance was covered by insurance
median wraith
"A new contender in the games engine space plans to take on market leaders Unity and Unreal... by offering less functionality...."
๐
This engine window reminds me of one of many open source projects at Github
using that open source UI lib
carmine frigate
i think if you can make a game with lumberyard .. Amazon is going to trow so much money at you ๐
so they dont look as stupid
foggy path
azmaon
soft night
az maon
azure chasm
"A new contender in the games engine space plans to take on market leaders Unity...
๐คฃ right...?
soft night
as az is command for azure
azure chasm
"commonly-used functionality such as maths"
foggy path
"A new contender in the games engine space plans to take on market leaders Unity...
The classic startup approach of using free labor of the community to drive high valuations for pocketing millions when you exit
carmine frigate
::math
finite helm
ty
carmine frigate
foggy path
To be fair based on the article it looks like they do have engine development skills in the company
So I don't see why they wouldn't carve out their niche assuming a suitably large number of plugins gets developed to produce useful functionality out of the box.... or at least that seems like a requirement to get smaller indies
Tbh the main question that I wonder about is the fact that rendering and physics are offloaded to someone else... which are probably the two most complicated parts of an engine
carmine frigate
some stuff doesnt need physics tho
foggy path
Yeah like cookie clicker
:P
almost everything that runs in real time has physics of some sort, of course not necessarily realistic physics
carmine frigate
because in unreal its allready baked in
foggy path
well I can't really think of non-turn based games that don't have physics of some sort no matter what engine it uses
I guess something like an RTS might not use physics
carmine frigate
well not sure if gravity in unreal can really be called physics
if gravity and inertia is all you need its not gunna be a biggy
platformer type stuff
foggy path
Probably not, but still easier if it's supported out of the box especially when it comes to collisions
finite helm
spookie
manic thorn
Adobe + Intel + Amazon = game engine ๐ค
Can't wait for an Amazon simulators game to come out.
cursive crypt
I imagine a dev packet will include also a Photoshop sub.
manic thorn
Oh so there engine is gonna be open source.
drifting beacon
@carmine frigate Tankicopters don't exist Tankicopters can't hurt you
Tankicopters:
foggy path
they call the Mi-24 a flying tank already anyway
unborn lotus
Reset the view?
subtle hatch
Has anyone tried making their own DRM for their games
foggy path
You could but you probably will waste your time :P
unless you're just doing it out of curiosity
median wraith
So this is it
GPU based rotation and animation
so all these share same drawcall
foggy path
Interesting, it looks similar to what I do in my retro fps otherwise, but I don't do fancy gpu tricks :P
median wraith
yeah that's the purpose
but save a lot as the whole rotation and state view is computed realtime on GPU
no sets from pawn
only animations if is given the same need to give a single index from pawn
like the shoot event
@foggy path so you have any showcase from what you are doing ?
foggy path
this is a bit out of date but https://streamable.com/ryb9g8
median wraith
Sliding an all ma man XD
noice
I did back in the days a complete base but no idea what happened to it
nice maths animation
did you use the forward and rigth values or ?
foggy path
Huh?
median wraith
on the bouncing weapon anim
back in the days I wanted to make advanced things to simulate old COD movements etc but never managed it at all
foggy path
it just has a curve that controls it and it's then adjusted by movement speed if I remember correctly
fluid bloom
Did not get my 3080 RTX that I ordered in december before my firstborn
median wraith
sheeeeep
manic thorn
Baaalato?
mossy nexus
https://tenor.com/view/the-fast-and-furious-tank-gif-10884684
Fun Fact: Knew a guy who did that during his driving test in a Chieftain. He had pulled out to over take a parked car and an on coming car appear outta nowhere, he panicked - pulled a hard right and crushed the guys BMW.
manic thorn
Fun Fact: Knew a guy who did that during his driving test in a Chieftain. He had...
Only a BMW.
I'd feel bad if it was an Audi.
mossy nexus
Yeah, cheap as chips in Germany but still... The owner lost it a bit, but very quickly started to smile when it was pointed out that the Army would buy him a new one.
regal pecan
And upgrade his model if he never speaks of this.
manic thorn
Lol. That or get assassinated.
mossy nexus
Naa, it wasn't as if it was a secret. Main road in a large town. Kinda hard to hide that one... ๐
regal pecan
"Tank was chasing the tractor that did it."
mossy nexus
Gibson was his name, nice lad if a little dim witted.
carmine frigate
during driving lessons you can total super expensive cars and ur insurace wil be fine
its the only time u can get away with it
foggy path
you don't have personal insurance at that point which is probably why
you can always total things if you're driving something where it's not your insurance and you won't get a penalty in your insurance for it either lol
quasi mantle
Holy smokes, I revived my GPU that I thought was dead
humble remnant
quasi mantle
Yeah, turns out the thermals worn out, so I reapplied them with the fresh ones.
BSOD right after it gets utilised.
probably the chips heated up too quickly when it got used in any capacity due to worn out thermals
finite helm
How I have missed visual studio mincing my CPU while I am trying to set things up.
humble remnant
TIL UE uses a special approximating formula for vector normalizing
Somewhat close to the one from the Quake 3 source
quasi mantle
<a:HR_MindBlown:658730766942994482>
The WTF fast inverse square root one?
humble remnant
Yeah
thorny dock
sometimes in the engine source you will find things taken from interesting places, one of which is called lolengine, which a lot of unreal is based off of
also sometimes in an oven you will find a stool, should you purchase a marketplace content pack
primal spoke
What is a word used in game development that starts with a sound that rhymes with Two?
light spruce
Queue.
primal spoke
Clever lad.
turbid spindleBOT
:no_entry_sign: Visal Antoine Bois#6558 was banned.
cursive crypt
lol
tulip orbit
๐
light spruce
Never let it be said that I won't exercise some level of responsibility
cursive crypt
Washing the dishes?
light spruce
God no. I just throw those in the trash.
light spruce
how in the hell can I have like.. half a pharmacy and not have any mucinex?
False alarm
fathom wadi
I've been on sedatives for the past 10 days or so. They dont work anymore. Need some herbal remedy me thinks
I've been studying chronic puritis and apparently medicial affectation of cannabinoids is actually a legit process so I might start asking for a prescription for it
light spruce
benzos?
shell garden
๐ jenff benzos
light spruce
I was finally on track for a 200 point game of Titanfall 2
light spruce
But now I'm on track to stare at either a wall or a digital canvas for hours.
quasi mantle
TBH I want to just build a PC instead of dealing with laptops, but nomad life isn't really suited for it.
I don't know how long my bodge fixes will last, but I don't think it'll last long
I know that desktop PC fixes are better documented than laptops.
shell garden
TBH I want to just build a PC instead of dealing with laptops, but nomad life is...
TBH I want to just build a PC
fixed
unborn lotus
@quasi mantle get a mitx build, some are really really small, including a dedicated gpu, altough its single fan
quasi mantle
<@325627930484932608> get a mitx build, some are really really small, including...
I'm considering to look for all AMD build that's comparable to PS4 Pro.
light spruce
micro atx - for when you've already gone deaf
unborn lotus
I'm considering to look for all AMD build that's comparable to PS4 Pro.
That sounds nice. A mitx board, 5900x, an 120mm AIO and a shorty 6700 gpu?
quasi mantle
That sounds nice. A mitx board, 5900x, an 120mm AIO and a shorty 6700 gpu?
RX 470 GPU, and something cheap that's comparable to PS4 CPU or FX 8350
finite helm
i wake
light spruce
Good <timestamp>
torpid star
hi
quasi mantle
Maybe Ryzen 3 2200G fits the bill
light spruce
it turned into Linux fight club again
quasi mantle
it turned into Linux fight club again
Distro vs distro?
tulip orbit
light spruce
sounds about right
I break the rules a lot though... because I frequently talk about how much it sucks
torpid star
https://preview.redd.it/b4w1wwpa2jz51.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=d4c5c...
archnt
light spruce
I run Manjaro instead of straight arch
cursive crypt
Debian or bust
light spruce
not anymore
That shit ended when their old-ass grub resulted in me having to fuck around a lot to get my servers to boot after I changed my ZFS compression over to zstd
(also the end of me using grub)
cursive crypt
Never had issues with grub tbf
foggy path
I just run defaults for filesystems lol
cursive crypt
But, yeah, they keep old builds usually for longer than neccessary.
foggy path
they seem to work well enough!
light spruce
I'm running ZFS because I actually take my storage pretty seriously
I've still got another machine to move over from debian
cursive crypt
light spruce
My fix was just saying "fuck it" and installing grub to the efi partition... because my boot directory was on my zfs root that it couldn't read anymore because it didn't have support for zstd compression. Which.. I didn't know... because I never though about grub needing to natively handle the compression algorithm.
And that's basically what systemd-boot does. It just puts a bootable image on the efi partition
But that's the second time I've had some problem with grub and debian. Before that, it shit the bed because they pushed some build in response to a CVE that would break on some configurations.
But Manjaro.. hey.. I can boot off a live image and mount my zpool(s) in an altroot without doing weird stuff because... they ship it with zfs support
Which not everyone will do because there are hand-wavy license considerations
But there's nothing else that comes close to doing what it can do. Btrfs is the only remotely similar option...and anything outside of a mirror configuration is random data loss.
quasi mantle
Is it normal as a game developer, to not liking the idea of interview/talkshow type seminar and being interviewed in those kind of shows?
I don't really like the local game dev seminar that's going on, and I don't want to show up in that seminar.
shell garden
true story
shell garden
Is it normal as a game developer, to not liking the idea of interview/talkshow t...
it is normal, as a game developer, to despise people
so yeah, you're normal
quasi mantle
But maybe it's just me being not talkative and having the desire to break the local industry's norms.
light spruce
TL:DR - GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR DEBIAN; debian is dead to me now
shell garden
devuan or gtfo
foggy path
What's the benefit of ZFS over the latest ext version anyway?
shell garden
more Zs, fewer Xs
foggy path
X's are better, already proven by the movie franchise xXx
shell garden
zfs has snapshots and stuff
light spruce
holy hell.
foggy path
there's no movies with many Z's in the title
Snapshots? Is that like a go back to this state -point?
shell garden
yah
foggy path
How much of a disk space cost does it have?
shell garden
it's copy-on-write
light spruce
ZFS is an advanced filesystem created by Sun Microsystems (now owned by Oracle) and released for OpenSolaris in November 2005.
Features of ZFS include: pooled storage (integrated volume management โ zpool), Copy-on-write, snapshots, data integrity verification and automatic repair (scrubbing), RAID-Z, a maximum 16 exabyte file size, and a maximum 256 quadrillion zettabyte storage with no limit on number of filesystems (datasets) or files[1]. ZFS is licensed under the Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL).
shell garden
so if the data doesn't change, the snapshot doesn't take up much extra space
light spruce
There's your rough "what it does"
Checksums, raid, snapshots, copy on write, native compression
foggy path
Tbh most of those things sound like stuff that'd probably be nice to have but I don't know if I'd really need them lol
Not sure how integrity checks and such would help if you have a failing drive or something because at that point the data would already be fucked
not sure if you'd really need that function for much else
foggy path
ah, I guess if you have it in RAID the checksum would be useful
shell garden
less polished
light spruce
Yeah, ZFS would not be particularly useful for a single drive
foggy path
but on the other hand isn't there a RAID mode that has integrity checking ๐ค
light spruce
You're thinking of parity
foggy path
maybe :D
I once bought two disks to put in raid
I ended up not putting them in raid and just filling them both with bunch of crap
:D
shell garden
but on the other hand isn't there a RAID mode that has integrity checking ๐ค
wat
raid-5 called
light spruce
And parity is really for "shit, a disk failed"
shell garden
it wants to scream in your face about how raid-0 isn't raid
foggy path
Generated how?
light spruce
My "large" array is four disks in Raidz2, which means two parity stripes
Also, being able to adjust the recordsize for individual datasets is pretty great for tuning specific disk performance situations
median wraith
@foggy path
trying to figure how to use this
want to create a box and then save it as a mesh in the editor
foggy path
hmm
I made some bp utils that generate a bunch of assets for sprites and such but they basically just work by assigning data into the sprites and then saving them
so you'd need to create a static mesh I guess and then assign the mesh data into it, and then save it as an asset
which I'm not sure is possible in BP's
light spruce
colony/srv/perforce/perforcejournal recordsize 8K local
colony/srv/perforce/perforceroot recordsize 256K local
colony/srv/rsync recordsize 32K received
So you're not stuck with a single cluster size across the entire filesystem. My virtual machines are in 4k cluster QCOW2 files on a dataset that also uses a 4k recordsize
My VMs are still formatted as EXT4 though
median wraith
which I'm not sure is possible in BP's
how you did it in C++ ?
foggy path
I didn't, the sprites have data formats which you can work with more easily in BP's
the problem is that the mesh data I don't think is really accessible in such a way
light spruce
You should be able to save the data itself, but not necessarily as an asset
god, I'm dumb. LET ME CTRL+Z WHILE EDITING IN VI
light spruce
What the hell is a factory?
shell garden
not sure if that's what nintendo meant by a "game cube" ๐
median wraith
lol
light spruce
Did it generate a cube to go with that terrible thumbnail?
inland dock
aha, the lounge. Sup all.
inland dock
my own discord has two channels, Im not used to having loads
steady fox
I broke a few rules upon arriving, because i'm a big dumb dumb
inland dock
Just putting together some Epic approved backgrounds for this coming zoom class
they really like to see the Epic logo nice and big
inland dock
my style of teaching is mega-relaxed usually so I just have my dogs wanderingg about
well I have been teaching in person and via online 22 years
so I sometimes teach at universities and events and so on and eventually people go "oh hey, he looks like he has nothing going on, he can teach me"
thin ingot
Hey, could you take part in my poll? Thank you ๐ https://twitter.com/Bart_Kamski/status/1412813870469726210
Twitter
foggy path
That's pretty hard to say
steady fox
well I have been teaching in person and via online 22 years
Neat.
foggy path
there is no "american english accent' or "uk english accent"
they have regional accents
steady fox
and "Australian english"
inland dock
Nowerdays I am attached to a Dutch training center - working mostly with corporate clients to teach them how to change over their workflows
steady fox
lord knows my accent is hard to understand
inland dock
this is true. Whats called a "Neutral accent" is more commonly known as the Squaddie Accent
foggy path
I've noticed british regional accents are sometimes thicker than american regional accents however
torpid star
I've noticed british regional accents are sometimes thicker than american region...
briish
foggy path
so if that's the case they are harder to understand
torpid star
oi
torpid star
where's my puffy jacket?
foggy path
thick scot accent is impossible to understand lol
shell garden
oh i misread and was about to say something about geographic slang and ethnolects ๐
shell garden
thick scot accent is impossible to understand lol
glasgow?
inland dock
it comes with practice - I live in the north of England so the accents are pretty thick up here
steady fox
Nowerdays I am attached to a Dutch training center - working mostly with corpora...
That's neat, I recent got paid work with UE4 working for the UAE, we've hit a snag with animators though, but we'll be pushing for a contract which should be very nice, we plan to do some UAE based stuff I probably can't talk about.
torpid star
I wouldn't know but it sounds like mumbling
something like this? Ther to, 'tis sicklied o'er regard the us for not to sleep; to suffled of?
Thus makes comethis man's wrong, thing after 'tis all; and scorns the dreat the pangs and thought his quietus againsolution: whips and to sleep; to be whips all;
inland dock
that sounds cool JB.
main issue I get with my clients is that they love UE4 and then say "Oh you know any ue4 guys we can take on that know this?"
shell garden
i was in a theatre show set in ireland a couple of years ago. one comment was that the cast's accents were all from "the wrong part of ireland" ๐
inland dock
to which its a big ol no - AEC and ArchiViz are pretty specialist. I should start an agendy
agency
shell garden
"this guy has a county cork accent and that guy has a belfast accent!"
steady fox
to which its a big ol no - AEC and ArchiViz are pretty specialist. I should sta...
That's an opportunity, indeed
steady fox
https://voca.ro/1mKYZ8dAkLb7
Oh no way
inland dock
of course organising artists is like herding cats and UE4 people are way more like artists ๐
steady fox
was that really you?
steady fox
that's an epic announcer voice
inland dock
lol thanks
light spruce
I have the American English accent
steady fox
inland dock
I have a bostonian recording me some lines for a character which is p cool
shell garden
I have *the* American English accent
boston?
light spruce
Which is another way of saying "it's not geographically identifiable so we'll call it 'generic midwest'"
steady fox
that's my emotional announcer voice
inland dock
now Im wanting to see this fox jumping about Im hooked
inland dock
the actor I got to do VO for a scottish lighthouse keeper I needed is about the most Sea Saltiest thing I ever heard
light spruce
FEED ME THE ROCK
inland dock
speaking of which - I need a fanta zero
steady fox
@inland dock You need a good mic setup, that would be an investment, then read like "Naughty" fanfict, because it's always funny in an "Nature watch" style voice
inland dock
lol - I could use my good setup I guess. Metahuman nudes in teh background and reading some terrible fanfic slash pr0n
steady fox
kek
I want to show you a video I have it's on youtube but I don't want to risk being banned here
steady fox
nah
shell garden
ok i want to contribute to this discussion but i can't focus
inland dock
gotta love colins bear
shell garden
yah ADD lyf
inland dock
its still a contribution
steady fox
"Rawr x3 but it's narrated by an old british man" it's on roache's channel
shell garden
ooh garlic bread
inland dock
lol I will go look
steady fox
it's one of those meme copy pasta but narrated
shell garden
yes, go look at garlic bread
deep glen
steady fox
it's kek worthy 
inland dock
looks like a job for superglue
steady fox
I love it
inland dock
or you can probably 3d print a replacement
light spruce
CLEARLY AMERICAN
steady fox
CLEARLY AMERICAN
oh it's on now, 1 sec
inland dock
as I mentioned in the main channel - anyone wanting in on the two hours of training Im doing in about an hour let me k now
I have a few people in tehre, room for a couple more
finite helm
What training?
inland dock
I have to put in some examples to Epic as part of my trainer assessment
so im teaching an hour of the basics of UE4 and an hour of the basics of Blueprints
via zoom
finite helm
Ah oki, no good but me, but i was just curious
inland dock
no problems ๐ its p basic stuff, not what I normally teach however its what they want
finite helm
teachin pretty fun tbh
i did a little stuff when i was in uni
teaching lower level classes
inland dock
yeah its enjoyable enough ๐
light spruce
boards don't hit back; I do