lounge

[proud jay]

probably no pay either though

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/nod-kermit-nod-nodding-gif-24624072

[deep copper]

well it lines up quite perfectly with the clothes, horizontal line wise

that explains

[quasi mantle]

Hence why to me, making renders and the so-called "virtual photography" made no difference

[solid hull]

I don't suppose there's a Box Office Mojo, but for game budgets?

[proud jay]

no

not that I know of

why

[solid hull]

I'm just really curious

[ancient ingot]

🥳

[zinc matrix]

SUP EVERYONE

How's life

What y'all doing?

Wanna see some games you're making in ue

[cursive crypt]

Optimising railroad system. I have great plans.

[zinc matrix]

._.

Sounds interesting

Tell me more

[tulip orbit]

no.

[thin aspen]

I’m laying in bed waiting on the debugger to load

[zinc matrix]

:0

Why

[cursive crypt]

Is that 80s

[tulip orbit]

long night. tired.

[quasi mantle]

Making a blog to FINALLY document all my findings and technique to the world for FREE

[dawn crane]

when is the link coming? 😄

[zinc matrix]

Ah jeez

[quasi mantle]

Not yet up, but you can watch for this
https://makotoichinose.github.io/

[dawn crane]

bookmarked...

[thin aspen]

🫠

[quasi mantle]

all it take for me to get going was a rant about CG anime content creators paywalling tutorials in ridiculous prices

[noble plaza]

Are you sick of looking at anime faces at this point? Can't imagine how many hours you've spent on that project now haha

[proud jay]

if you give me 20 bucks you can click the link in my bio

[noble plaza]

#LinkInBio

[cursive crypt]

lootbox

[quasi mantle]

Nope. If anything it kept my sanity in check.

[thin aspen]

Beginning Reality: A final fantasy parody

[quasi mantle]

looks at pfp of Bartz and Faris stats
Yep

[pearl elk]

My adventures through UE would be more of a web comic

[tulip orbit]

click this link for everything I know about game dev, no pay walls, absolutely free: ||https://i.imgur.com/9boF54o.png||

[quasi mantle]

Also FF5 is fun, but for the SNES games, FF6 holds the spot for me

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/revolution-gif-23599290

[deep glen]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/lz6T3bKdcKD60R9rPT/giphy.gif

[proud jay]

you sure like that kratos gif

[thin aspen]

FF6 is definitely the Best one but I also don’t like anything after 9. 2 I can’t remember playing or 3

8 was iffy

[zinc wagon]

lol glad i could help somehow

[noble plaza]

Sony shill confirmed, think I have to duel him to the death now

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-thanos-gif-14012300

[deep copper]

i now know everything you know about game dev!

[deep glen]

they released some new ones, so imma use em whenever so I can fav em XD

[deep glen]

still the best one

[quasi mantle]

FF2 was the worst for me
The "no pain no gain" progression system is BS

[deep copper]

you are the best one

[deep glen]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/dXavF0qnux9vNtNHfc/giphy.gif

[noble plaza]

How long till a hug is demanded

[proud jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/221799439008923648/988740929550700575/PartyManny.gif

[deep copper]

relax! there's no demand

only supply!

[thin aspen]

I might have to give it a try then, I was gonna jump back in with 16 and see if it got any better

[deep copper]

endless

[proud jay]

I'm starting to get the feeling that the final fantasy is not so final

[thin aspen]

Confirmed

[deep copper]

that's why they call it ff i guess

[tulip orbit]

https://media.giphy.com/media/euqFXkbq1FyFGP8NpG/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[solid hull]

Excited to develop a complex love-hate relationship with FF16, if FF15 is any indication.

[thin aspen]

More like finally released amirite

[deep glen]

I was already quite done with squaresoft, but turning Parasite Eve in some NFT crap instead of a good reboot --among other cashgrab crap they did-- made me not wanna buy another game from em again

[thin aspen]

I told y’all the streets wanted a Parasite Eve remake

But getting the license for that isn’t like talking about it since they probably don’t foresee themselves making that money back

[quasi mantle]

In my head I keep picturing Parasite Eve like game, as a first person shooter

[thin aspen]

So silent hill

Or resident evil

Remakes of the legends (legaia and dragoon) would be nice

[quasi mantle]

Both as well

Also considering local (Indonesian) horror stories were mostly utter garbage, they only focused on the haunted aspect, not delving into more personal psychological aspect of it

[deep glen]

i'd want a graphics update to the original Secret of Mana (and Evermore) with UE5-level graphics. everything else can just stay the same.

[thin aspen]

I feel though that square could be testing out whether it’s worth it to do remakes with the FF7 thing

[thin aspen]

I agree, that and chrono trigger

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stranding-like-success-yes-thumbs-up-gif-25421194

[thin aspen]

By worth it to do I mean “telling the story in the way we originally envisioned”

[deep glen]

there was talk that they might be considering a remake of Terranigma. but knowing them, they'll rewrite the story to add some crappy KH vagueness

[thin aspen]

They need to do that minus the KH stuff

[quasi mantle]

Also the Dreadout series got an asymetrical horror game spin-off (made with UE), and... I don't know what to say about it. Some people demand single player Dreadout 3 experience. Dreadout 2 was already rough around the edges, considering Dreadout 1 was started off as a fatal frame clone.

[thin aspen]

Theoretically all one would have to do is make the remakes themselves and then get a C&D and I guarantee square will start making it themselves

I have no idea what dreadout is

migrates to google

[quasi mantle]

Indonesian horror game series

[ancient ingot]

@deep glen wheres that chicken?!?!

[pearl elk]

Why did I read Dreadout as Deadnut... Potato looks too much like peanut

[quasi mantle]

It was one of the early progenitors of game dev scene in Indonesia

[thin aspen]

Based on a movie or is the movie based on the game

Grandia could definitely stand to be remade, as well as the Arc The Lad series

[deep glen]

burp

[quasi mantle]

Well, it started off as a game (and still making games, but then expanded to movie

[ancient ingot]

meh !

[noble plaza]

What do you think of Kena? Think it's sorta based in Bali from what I remember?

[quasi mantle]

I don't know what the hell is going on with the movie
Early on gained some hype, but it seems like nobody talked about it much these days

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-dance-disco-gif-14972792

[deep glen]

nah, its still at the farm

[ancient ingot]

lol

[deep glen]

hehe

[quasi mantle]

Kena is good, and it does incorporate Balinese culture elements (I think Kena herself is voiced by a Balinese and had some interesting convincing process)

[noble plaza]

Nice, my friends keep joking I have to go to Bali to complete my 🦘 naturalisation process 😄
Lotta travelling to catch up on

interesting convincing process
?

[quasi mantle]

From what I heard, the VA was quite reluctant to be involved in a video game, but ended up taking the role

[noble plaza]

Ah right, fair enough. The game's so interesting, you have those black fluffy things and then the gameplay is like Pixar x Dark Souls lol

[quasi mantle]

That being said, it's not developed in Indonesia, but does incorporate Indonesian elements in the presentation.

[proud jay]

I wanted to play Kena but didn't look engaging enough for the price tbh

[deep glen]

fighting sucks, game is adorbs though

[noble plaza]

Have there been any notable games coming out of Indonesia recently?

[quasi mantle]

Aside from visual novel games, I can't recall much in recent years.

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/milk-star-wars-luke-skywalker-mark-hamill-gif-14004726

[quasi mantle]

Well, not literal visual novels, but the gameplay isn't involving enough, so might as well a VN

[fleet tangle]

Is that like overlord where you get your cute fluffy minions to do things for you?

[pearl elk]

Why cant I do cute skills in combat 😞

[quasi mantle]

Do you want sailor moon esque transformations?

[pearl elk]

Kill em with kindness

[noble plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2-pyrovision-team-fortress-gif-20939973

[quasi mantle]

If I had to implement one, I could reuse the summon mechanic
There's also a black mage girl that is quite childish in demeanor.

[noble plaza]

All must fall to my grand rainbow beams!

[quasi mantle]

See also: Silent Hill 3's henshin easter egg

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/care-bears-care-alot-gif-5425739

[pearl elk]

Back when you could read wireframe view

[deep glen]

reddit much

[noble plaza]

@pearl elk have you been to PAX Aus by any chance? Thinking about the next year's one, gives me a good excuse to explore Melbourne as well

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/wellby-rocket-rocketman-gif-26452710

[deep glen]

still love the old editor

[pearl elk]

Nah Ive only been to GCAP in burn city

[noble plaza]

We're getting almost full UE5 editor on consoles instead now lol, going to be interesting UX

[pearl elk]

Tbh I always feel very out of place amongst local developers for some reason

[noble plaza]

I want to get a feel for what the local studios are like, and whether I should make any effort to get into one/ if I have any hopes of doing so haha

[pearl elk]

Young people are so into indies and animes... Im just left there but what about Doom and Robotech

[noble plaza]

Corpo engineering will kill me.
My work laptop randomly makes the screenshot noise, because the IT software gets random screengrabs for ongoing monitoring. Lovely stuff.

My views on the latter are not positive, but there's a bit of history there in this channel haha. Indies for sure though, they slap come on

Indies are kinda leading the boomer shooter comeback too though right? Like Prodeus for example

[pearl elk]

Apparently the games I want to make are too serious for some

[noble plaza]

What are you after?

[pearl elk]

Which I do understand but I feel like there needs to be more adult narratives.

[fleet tangle]

I think my cat may be broken. Presented her with an empty cardboard box and she didn't even try and fit in it!

[pearl elk]

But I guess some people just want to get away and enjoy fun which is cool. Burst some bubbles, crush some candies and whatnot

[noble plaza]

You need to pre-heat the boxes duh!

[quasi mantle]

Same

[pearl elk]

Im really inspired by movie directors more than game developers if Im honest

[noble plaza]

Josef Fares made that transition sorta! I think gaming has a long history of direct inspiration from movies though

[quasi mantle]

I mean, a girl got teleported into another world, still got traumatic mental problems, having existential crisis
Though I haven't fleshed out the flow yet

[noble plaza]

All art is derivative, some of it is good

[noble plaza]

That sounds exactly like Hellblade, may be worth a playthrough if you haven't yet

[quasi mantle]

I thought you're going to compare it against Forspoken lol

[pearl elk]

Some games sure but there are alot of games which are still very abstract and follow stories closer to a kids cartoon than an adult movie

[quasi mantle]

It is more of isekai story

[noble plaza]

IDK what isekai is, but Hellblade is a very good example of how to portray (specific) mental health stuff with respect and care

[pearl elk]

Im okay with games making me feel miserable if its part of a deeper story. I think most people want happy happy joy joy though with industry trends

[quasi mantle]

isekai = another world
protagonist brought into a completely different kind of world, and may against his/her own will.

[noble plaza]

I think it's more marketability too I guess, how do you sell "this game will probably leave you melancholy?"

[deep glen]

same. but depends. in case of Last of Us 2, I turned it off after first chapter because I felt it was too dumb.

[quasi mantle]

Unfortunately some isekai stories plagued with harem (polygamy) BS

[quasi mantle]

That one game tech artists goshing about the tech art

[noble plaza]

Significant Zero was a great read, he went into detail about the creation and inspiration behind Spec Ops: The Line

Of course, for a game inspired by Heart of Darkness, fuck knows why bringing the story in line to the book's themes took a last moment change in plans

[pearl elk]

Yeah the rise in social gaming has made darker games a more difficult sell. Poltical correctness doesnt help either if you want to portray those darker elements. Its not like Id ever condone them but it can be interesting. Dead By Daylight seems to be popular and you get to play a serial killer, arguably darker than Manhunt

[quasi mantle]

I mainly drew inspiration from Re:Zero, Final Fantasy, and Idolmaster (the main 765productions branch has some wrenching backstories)

[noble plaza]

Conversely, social media makes niche games blow up too. You're never targeting 100% of the populace that have held a controller, so you could just really drill down on a specific set of players

[quasi mantle]

I felt many anime TV shows/manga not shying away from mature topics and content, but the same can't be said with the games.

[noble plaza]

Gaming's big enough to be able to sustain increasingly specific ideas, which IMO is super neat

[quasi mantle]

You would have an anime show with mature themes and violence, but majority of anime games never take themselves seriously, even if the source material is.

[pearl elk]

True but social media have strict rules on content and most adult content gets filteted. Its not like I mean anything extreme but its clear marketing material has to be kept in the M rating as much as possible

[noble plaza]

PC - Witcher (3) for example explores a lot about the effects of racism on the victims, and lets you make your own decisions for the most part. it's hard to find many other games that feel like they were written by actual adults with life experiences though lol

[quasi mantle]

Japanese CERO would be even more brutal in restricting content

[pearl elk]

Feel sorry for all those kiddos playing Cyberpunk 2077 based on the marketing lol

[quasi mantle]

recent case was Callisto Protocol banned because of too much blood/gore

Weird thing is ecchi (partial nudity) is gucci to CERO

[pearl elk]

That just made me want to play it more

[quasi mantle]

I guess I'll have both then

Ecchi (partial nudity) and blood + violence, all in one packing.

[pearl elk]

Im fine with blood and gore, its the smell I can handle so until tech gets that good I'll be fine lol

[noble plaza]

Australia bans any games that mentions actual drugs, which is insane for a country with a raging drug culture

Fallout (3 or 4) and Disco Elysium were recent ones

[pearl elk]

Blood has that coppery smell to it

[quasi mantle]

To be fair, ecchi is more aesthetically pleasing than violence/snuff stuff

[noble plaza]

Yup that one to! DA3, tonally, felt like Fable afterwards though so I wonder what happened there

(by actual drugs, I mean even medical ones cause issues)

https://tenor.com/view/spanish-monty-python-expects-unexpected-sass-gif-5284798

[pearl elk]

When you go to game shows though theres lots of student projects and most of it is out in the open so it cant really be aimed at adults. I kinda wish there were an AO space where we wernt closeted

[quasi mantle]

Japanese censorship regulation is weird, and you can't just question it.
Resident Evil got crippled even in CERO Z version, Callisto Protocol got outright banned (same goes for MK11), but Senran Kagura is A-okay (well, maybe CERO C or CERO D, but still)

[noble plaza]

Well that place isn't here at least, ostensibly PG-13 buuuut

[quasi mantle]

There are, but it's going to be only on PC
Even in Japan eroge are PC only

[pearl elk]

Australia is pretty harsh but we atleast have an R rating now

[quasi mantle]

Now it's the time to raise the PCMR flag

[noble plaza]

Politically Correct Mordor Residents

[pearl elk]

Elysium is better than Return of the King... fite me

[noble plaza]

In the same way that a Vegemite is better than a Tesla, sure 😛

[pearl elk]

Promite lover

[fleet tangle]

I loved Dragon Age in general!

[noble plaza]

Mate what, that sounds like probiotic Marmite

I've got > 1 LotR tats and 0 Disco tats though, so my preference is clear 😄

Shame what happened with the creators though, would've been keen as a bean for the sequel

[pearl elk]

Yakult

How does the entire LOTR have a single magic sword?

Who the hell was incharge of loot drops

[noble plaza]

LotR was season 1, the devs really ramped up their itemisation in later seasons. Season -500: Silmarillion in particular

[pearl elk]

Probably EA

Magic sword comes preorder bonus only

[noble plaza]

Lol nah, it's a rare drop from a lootbox that ensures you get satisfaction when you do finally get it

(in an offline game that costs $150 for the base edition)

[pearl elk]

I know what it is though, sexy elf cosplay is easier than exo matt damon

[primal summit]

• Matte Demon
  fixed it for ya

[noble plaza]

Man have you seen Mythic Quest? The software lead chick is Aussie, it's pretty funny

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/archvile-intro-doom-eternal-demon-gif-16987418

[noble plaza]

It's like Silicon Valley if they were poorer and in games I guess

[pearl elk]

Thats not the one where they do the DnD roleplay thing is it

[noble plaza]

Fuck I think so yeah, or a LARP or something? The core premise is they're a game dev studio doing an MMO though

[pearl elk]

Yeah the LARP thing or was that a movie hmm

[noble plaza]

Moved to a new house and no NBN for a while so haven't made progress recently lol.

[pearl elk]

Unicorn City thats the one Im thinking of probs

[noble plaza]

Oh haven't see that. It looks mega cringe in an entertaining way though

I remember when video rental stores were open, we'd go looking for the hilariously shit movies. Best we found was Bong of the Dead - baked zombies

[pearl elk]

Zombeavers, highly recommended lol

But if youre after proper 80s cringe its gotta be Critters 2

[noble plaza]

From a review for critters 2 - this person has some interesting priorities in movies

Settings, characters, nudity, and other important basics are [...] surprisingly good

Need to track them down though, chuck them on this weekend if my internet dreams pan out 🤞

[pearl elk]

As long as you get the inflatable raft you should be fine lol

[slim atlas]

So

the new update 5.1

is absolutly amazing

i am blown away so hard

its absolutly outstanding beyond any limit

why is this fantastic

[deep copper]

what's so special about it? PSO cache?

[slim atlas]

everything!

Its awesome

[deep copper]

or the world boundary limit to 88M

that does sounds amazing

[slim atlas]

i cannot believe how they nailed it so good

i didnt test it fully yet

but the features

awwww

this is the best thing ever man

the overlay system

[deep copper]

as long as the features work as promised!!!!!

[slim atlas]

how chaos fracture works

the new node system

lumen and vsm optimization

[deep copper]

new nodes?

[slim atlas]

you can change the brightness of reflections

and the reflections on translucent objects!!! WOW

[deep copper]

that is quite brilliant tbh

[unborn lotus]

I'm excited about nanite & lumen in VR..even if it's not feasible right now, it's gonna be wild in a few years

[dawn crane]

More than 50% of next gen games that have been announced are on UE5. Making huge moves. Unity used to have like 75% of the market

[deep copper]

technology is getting so crazy

[quasi mantle]

Tbh I'm only excited for ♪PSO cache loading♪

Though I guess it's a side effect of me getting more in touch with the general public

[pure condor]

man, why are intern positions strictly for students T.T

[quasi mantle]

To be fair, Nanite/Lumen is FAR more exciting than combating runtime stutter.

[deep copper]

because students spend years learning how to be interns?

[quasi mantle]

If you're no longer a student, you should've worked

in other words, if you can't apply for internship anymore, you're screwed.

Sorry for being too honest.

[pure condor]

lol, well thats quite a problem aint it O.o when you apply to numerous jobs but cant get any. So pretty much yea, people would be screwed

[quasi mantle]

Excuse the HRs, while they looking for junior positions with prior experience/internship

[pure condor]

lol if only people were looking for junior positions

but no one is

[quasi mantle]

It's an experience paradox that only students running internship can broke.

[pure condor]

if you arent a senior or have released projects or so you aint getting much xD

[quasi mantle]

You're competing against other local contenders, if you're overseas, then you're in a battle you have no chance of winning.

[pure condor]

yea, I've only managed to land short contracts at best but even those havent lasted long

[quasi mantle]

Juniors are lopsided on supply, seniors lopsided on demand.

[pure condor]

and then a massive gap trying to find again

[thick belfry]

Hey guys I'm back on this server again, we are starting to use unreal engine this block at uni 😎 We have to recreate an arcade game in unreal engine

[deep copper]

yay! congratulations!

[pure condor]

I dont quite follow

[deep copper]

one has too much supply, other too much demand ?

[thick belfry]

Thank you

[pure condor]

quite disappointing really, but it sucks..

[thick belfry]

First block was only board games which was fun but I like working with unreal much better hehe

[quasi mantle]

I do apologize for hurting you, but I'm not comfortable giving false hope and sugarcoating, hence me giving a more brutally honest answers.

[pure condor]

lol you arent hurting anyone xD I'm well aware of how things are going but it's really crappy how things change over the years

since internships were never really offered in school since no one puts much effort into this industry so it didnt blow up as much as it has now

so people who havent lucked out in getting a job just have gaps or the little odd jobs with a gap finding another job to fill it

lol

only solution would be to continue working on solo projects lol while doing a survival job on the side

[quasi mantle]

While you could make on portfolio, it can be harder to do if your odd jobs took up huge chunk of your day, and if you don't have good equipments, it's getting even more difficult.

(I did, my last odd job was brutal, unpaid overtime work is normal, and you would be called even on Sundays, and the pay sucks frick)

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-kombat-cats-gif-25812517

[pure condor]

whelp, guess it'll just turn into a hobby. Good talk 🙂

[quasi mantle]

honestly I felt bad for you, and I'm very sorry 🙇

[pure condor]

It’s just life, lol can’t expect everything to go your way. So my walls here xD

[quasi mantle]

Can only wish you the best for your mental and physical well being

I mean, some people have taken their own life because of too much rejection for the job and ran out of viable options they can think of.

[pure condor]

Haha, nah it’s not that deep. It just sucks you work for something and it’s just not possible to get. So at least you can say you’ve tried and failed

Oh wells

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/clipse-grindin-sing-moves-swag-gif-17126218

[quasi mantle]

I do understand how odd jobs taking up huge chunk of your day can hamper your effort.

Some of odd jobs goes beyond 9 to 5 and Monday to Friday

[lofty lark]

Do you do any networking? Conferences, meetups, game jams, (in person or online), online communities (e.g. IGDA)? Having skills is just half of getting into the industry imo. Maybe even less than half.

If I'm hiring for a studio and I got two applicants, X and Y, and X is over qualified but no one knows them, Y is slightly under qualified but someone on the team has worked with Y before (or knows them) and can vouch for them being a good team member, I'm more inclined to go with Y.

[thin aspen]

What about if Y isn’t qualified at all

[quasi mantle]

Wasn't the latter spun up experience paradox anyway?

[lofty lark]

Especially entry level because you are expected to have a lot to learn yet. I'm in an entry level position and that's what I've been told directly by the team lol.

[lofty lark]

If Y has literally no qualifications then no.

I wouldn't want to pay someone to be taught how to do their entire job.

[thin aspen]

Webdev/anything IT would like to have a word with you

[lofty lark]

I've never heard of the spun up experience paradox

[thin aspen]

Maybe this is the difference in game dev. There’s no the x company way

[quasi mantle]

Experience paradox = you need a job to get an experience, but you need an experience to get the job

[lofty lark]

I mean, I consider game dev different than other IT fields in a big way - it is in the entertainment industry.

[thin aspen]

I have personally seen that paradox beaten by simply lying about experience

[thin aspen]

I agree, I was just making a note

[pure condor]

I’ve joined game jams but they’re normally just people doing it for hobbies so no form of networking with someone in the industry at all

[quasi mantle]

I won't take the risk, though. Too much on the line

[pure condor]

Especially since it’s all remote now

[lofty lark]

Ooooo so there's a name for it 😄

[pure condor]

Last game Jam I was paired with a family. So yea nothing there 😂

[thin aspen]

Neither would I but the chances of them getting exposed are slim to none

[pure condor]

And my only network is with 4 friends who are working in the field but cant really help me out so I’m the end I have 0

[quasi mantle]

I mean, surely HR would do their due diligence and crosschecking the applicant resume, right

[thin aspen]

Take for example someone I know who has landed many director of cybersecurity positions and this person cannot actually hack into a machine without fancy expensive gadgets

[thin aspen]

Depends on where you are, but most companies aren’t going to answer the phone for someone looking for a job let alone someone trying to make sure someone worked there

The honor system runs more things than I’d like to believe

[dawn crane]

Got my second IT job as systems admin by bullshitting. You just have to know where to lie and where not to.

[lofty lark]

I'm only a junior but I think there is definitely a 'buffer' of how much experience you can lack in relation to how well people can vouch for working with you. I wouldn't want to work alongside someone who's a dick to everyone, regardless of their experience. And people are going to grow throughout their career anyways, so going with the candidate that has less qualifications than the other isn't too bad in my eyes when you consider the net positive they could bring to that environment (being willing to learn, help, grow, mesh well with others, passionate, etc.)

[thin aspen]

Bingo

[pure condor]

Sadly I try to bank on my interpersonal skills to land jobs more than my experience but it doesn’t cut it when someone has more work experience but no social skills xD

[thin aspen]

I’ve contracted with many IT companies, some that I’ve even applied for positions at, only to find out the people hired over me had 0 understanding of how to do their job.

[lofty lark]

What about meetups of any type? Idk about other countries but there's a few scattered throughout the US you can attend for free as a volunteer. And game jams can work, you might end up meshing with a group and going indie. You don't have to aim towards bigger studios.

[pure condor]

In the end people just want their products done really and don’t care for the team Unity

[dawn crane]

Really I think theres tons of lost potential in places like this, where people with like goals and projects could team up for better results faster, but it seems like that's kind of taboo in the community. Maybe too many people burned.

[pure condor]

I’ve tried going indie with people. It doesn’t work anymore - especially in this time… Covid, prices rising, people have little time to work on these things and no pay

[thin aspen]

That and people are getting hip to the golden rule. Don’t mortgage your house to make a game.

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, to some, the pandemic was near death knell to their hopes and dreams

[lofty lark]

Valid. Prices here in the US are atrocious rn 😅

[pure condor]

Yea no hopes for any indie things

[dawn crane]

Prices almost everywhere are ass

[thick belfry]

Also, the market is pretty saturated atm

For indie games

[pure condor]

Perhaps an hour or thirty minutes to try and think of a game idea and that’s about it a week xD

Yea, programming seems to just go further out of reach as years pass

[quasi mantle]

I was going to demo my project in a local anime convention by 2020, that was me planning in 2019.

Pandemic hit, I'm bleeding money for paying the bills while my income got slashed for 75% (regulations don't give a shit about this), I lost so many things.

On the good side, I would've demoed a shitty game om that time, but still...

[pure condor]

My best bet would probably try to be a concept artist but I need to work on creating a art portfolio now and then that’s even more slim chance because there’s hella beastly artist out there

Yea my chances of denting a crack through the gaming industry are far beyond

[dawn crane]

you think games are bad, try writing screenplays LUL

[pure condor]

😂😂

I did try writing a little spin-off story of a more mature Pokémon world haha

Haven’t finished it haha but yea

[quasi mantle]

I guess thinking twice about it, demoing a shitty game at that time would've been better, at least there would be a time to gather some traction for contributors and funding

Gah, no use thinking about alternate reality.

[dawn crane]

I think i'm going to do fine for exposure, I have a bunch of streamers I know that are keen to try my game, so success should just be up to my game quality *fingers crossed

[pure condor]

Nice man 💪 do it up

[lofty lark]

I don't know what all you do and don't do, but I can at least tell you what I see my friends who aren't able to get into the industry are not doing (which I think they should be doing) and maybe you can pull some type of information from it: Little to no networking. No meet ups of any kind. No community engagement (stuff like IGDA). Little to no game jams. Little to no personal projects to buff out a portfolio. Just sending resumes to every studio hiring on LinkedIn. You just need someone to crack that door open for you so you can prove you deserve it is how I look at it. Also https://gracklehq.com is a great job site for the game industry I've never seen anyone else throw out there.

[pure condor]

I wasn’t contemplating on maybe streaming making an extension for twitch 😂 but like I don’t even know anymore

[quasi mantle]

Unfortunately you can't start a class action lawsuit against a virus.

I probably lost beyond hundreds of US dollars, which is a lot in my currency (Rupiah)

[lofty lark]

And sorry if I'm a little preachy 😅 I just gave a talk yesterday at my old college on my experience and what I did to get into the industry so this stuff is fresh in my head

[dawn crane]

three words for getting picked up by a studio - Finished Indie Project. I know devs in 3 or 4 big studios and they all tell me thats probably the most influential thing for hires.

[pure condor]

Lol nah you’re fine, I’ve done a lot of stuff and try to network but no luck. Like I’ve mentioned I have 4 friends in the industry but they don’t have a voice or say

And then there’s game jams which are all online now so there’s no face to face interactions so no networks possible apart from working with your team who are usually hobbiest and don’t work in the industry

[quasi mantle]

Also in my case it was exacerbated by how shy I was (and still is)

[pure condor]

You just need to go with a friend to break that ice if you can’t go alone

But yea, it’s just how things are in the end. Experience trumps anything else.. and mentioning that things can be learned on the job they don’t care about thst

[dawn crane]

So we're seeing a huge shift in the industry brought about by the power of the tools lately. It has never been easier for someone to just start developing a game out of the blue. This means that TONS more people are going to do it, which creates a terrible signal to noise ratio for you getting seen, especially if you are one of those people. If you want to know where game dev is going, just look at graphic design, and how saturated with trash that industry is.

[pure condor]

They want you to be able to do it now

[quasi mantle]

Well, all of my friends at this point are online, I lost contact with my good friends, I can't spend money and go out like I used to in 2019

And not to belittle my online friends, but I felt online friends can only get you so far.

[thin aspen]

Lol I know plenty of “graphic designers”

[pure condor]

Yea it’s not the same

[lofty lark]

This definitely isn't an option for everyone, but what got me to break out of my shell to network was literally going out of state for a conference and being able to completely forget about my life for that time 😅

[pure condor]

Hha xD vaz

[thin aspen]

But I honestly think ichinose has the best game plan as far as indie goes.

[zinc wagon]

felt. physically being with people is never the same as virtually being with people

[thin aspen]

Another thing I’ve learned is not to expect to release a game and be the next metal gear solid or something. This stuff takes time

[quasi mantle]

Well, you were fortunate enough to get access to those suitable conference.

||I don't||

[thin aspen]

GDC is that you?

[pure condor]

Not everyone can afford a plane ticket and a hotel xD

[lofty lark]

Yeah I think games are in similar position. Heavily saturated yeah, but I think most of it's trash. Making a game is fucking easy. Making a good game is hard. Making a good game that is received well is harder. Making a good game that is received well and sells well is even harder xD

[quasi mantle]

Having myself presenting on GDC is one of my pipe dream

[thin aspen]

Honestly you can do it if you know how to play the DEI game

I’m just doing my best not to take that route, I don’t want to be the token black guy

[pure condor]

Lol facts.. even the AAA companies are now bland with their games :/

[lofty lark]

It was GDC yeah. Went from east coast to west coast for a week by myself. Was scary. For many reasons xD

[thin aspen]

My condolences for having to be in SF for that long

[lofty lark]

I think a lot of it has to do with consumers too tbh. Even today people are still woo'ed by realistic graphics and pre-order stuff based off high-fidelity trailers . _ . then game is bad, people thrash the company, but then continue to throw money at them >.>

[pure condor]

Haha xD

[thin aspen]

That’s called pimping where I’m from

[quasi mantle]

Figured it was GDC.
If I were the one to visit, it would cost me probably a thousand dollars to order a plane from Indonesia to the US (and the trip back) get the suitable hotels and foods, and other stuff. Not including entry fees and travelling for weeks.

[pure condor]

Im gonna just try and become a famous streamer 🤔 then show my game

[thin aspen]

But as we’ve said before marketing is mostly lying for profit

[lofty lark]

The architecture in SF is absolutely gorgeous, especially for me living in a valley my whole life xD GDC attendance is like 4 times the size of the the "city" I live in.

But everything aside from the architecture... not so pretty.

[pure condor]

Tell everyone to buy it haha

[thin aspen]

Except don’t say it’s yours.

[thin aspen]

I honestly would have been in Oakland if I could make it out there. But I do want to try and get out there at least once

[lofty lark]

Travel costs for me last year was around $2500USD iirc. Highly recommend applying to be a CA. You can get cheaper hotel prices for CA's, you get all-access pass to the conference, and paid to be there.

But yeah the travel and stay costs gotta come from you :/

[pure condor]

Whelp I’m starving but nice to see that this sparked a lot of convo. Fun chats y’all 🙂 hopefully everyone achieves their goals 💪

[lofty lark]

https://www.calounge.com/application.php Highly recommend applying >.>

or just google "gdc conference associate application" if you don't want to click a strange link

[pure condor]

If it only has US based jobs I can’t lol

[thin aspen]

.php ngmi

[lofty lark]

Yeah I don't like the look of it either >.>

[quasi mantle]

Well, I tried to broaden my research when it comes to the design and technical stuff, and partly not driven by monetary goals alone

[lofty lark]

For being a CA?

I don't live in the United States of America. Can I still be a CA?

This is an international conference and international people are welcome to apply. However, you will be required to provide documentation to the employment agency proving you are eligible to work in the United States of America which means being a citizen, a non-citizen national, a lawful permanent resident, or having employment authorization. You must have a social security number.

We are unable to assist you in any way with employment authorization. We aren't employment specialists so you will need to research your particular situation to determine your employment eligibility. The duties of a Conference Associate are not specialized labor and there is an abundance of USA citizens who can do the job so we are unable to sponsor a visa so that you can work this position. You will also need to take care of any visa requirements for travel from your country to the USA.

In short, if you are unsure of your eligibility to work in the USA, you most probably are not.

But all kinds of jobs are offered there, it's the biggest game development related conference in the US, maybe the world

[thin aspen]

I kinda feel the same way. I've been interested in making games for years, and I used to spend months on RPG maker, i just felt it was time to go ahead and try on my own, especially since my cousin got 20M "in funding" to make his game.

I figure the worst that could happen is nothing, best case scenario is something comes of it.

[lofty lark]

Including non-US-based studios such as CDPR and Techland

[thin aspen]

GDC is also how we got squirrelnoise

[lofty lark]

I really wish it was more accessible to indie devs. The prices are steep af for an individual to pay

[thin aspen]

ehh I'd say that's subjective.

If i wait a year i could pay to go and sponsor a person or two. But that's because I'd pay using my income tax money from uncle sam

There are some perks in having 6 kids.

[quasi mantle]

I think what bottlenecked the local game dev industry is too much laser focusing on pursuing the potential monetary gain. Most of the talks I've seen were mostly about monetization, and honestly those doesn't interest me as much as talks about game design, technical aspect of things from elsewhere (including GDC archives).

I complained about how local games seem to set good game design and technical stuff aside

[thin aspen]

WOuld I be able to afford it with paychecks alone? lol no

[quasi mantle]

I mean, for crying out loud, the game company I'm applying for survival is currently focusing on the mEtAvErSe

[lofty lark]

ew*

[thin aspen]

couldn't agree more, I fear game's are turning into the new money grab based on how i hear people who otherwise don't play games talk about what i should do when it comes to making games

[quasi mantle]

Well, I had no choice.

[lofty lark]

There was a talk I watched on how to fund an indie studio and it was basically, "Become not indie"

.>

[lofty lark]

I 100% believe greed has been ruining the industry for years and I hate it.

[quasi mantle]

I consider this as just another odd jobs
Considering they are focused on metaverse/web3 BS, I can only hope my paycheck wasn't slashed so much that I bleed money just from paying the bills.

[thin aspen]

They're doing to games what they did to movies and that's probably because games are "cheaper" to make

[lofty lark]

Bills reign priority yeah. Metaverse is gross but by all means do what you need to do get by and enable yourself to still be able to pursue your passions.

I ain't going to judge you based off what you do to support yourself (and family), especially if it helps you in some way get closer to your goals 🙂 (in this case still being in the 'software development' realm)

[quasi mantle]

At least I'm still a single man, so lesser things to pay (but maybe offseted by paying commission work for my project, and buying better equipments)

And yeah, I figure if one wanted to change the scene, someone had to kickstart the change

Also despite me playing and practicing drums, unfortunately there's not much drumming gig here 😛

[lofty lark]

I play guitar and piano. MaxPower use to be a professional Voilinist. Lets find some other musicians and create an Unreal Slackers ensemble xD we'll make money that way

[quasi mantle]

In turn you let me sneak in Phil Collins (and other prog drumming) flavors

After all JRPGs are synonymous with prog rock music

[lofty lark]

Your terms are acceptable.

[quasi mantle]

Anyway, it's late at night here, gotta sleep 🛏️

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[dawn crane]

I think the current path to successful indie game dev has a lot to do with the streaming community and patreon. Word of mouth in the stream community is more powerful than any advertising campaign, plus the community isn't shy with monetary support for things they like. A stream showcasing regular updates would also help a lot.

[pure condor]

Oh I thought it was a job link

[lofty lark]

Uh, kind of I guess? It's an application to apply to be a Conference Associate for next years GDC. It's mandated to pay all CA's now due to California law so it technically is a job

[pure condor]

Ah, nice but yea being out of the country and all quite a hassle

[thin aspen]

gettings streamers to play your game is a marketing campaign now.

Why spend money on commercials in prime spots when you can just get a streamer to play your game and let people market to themselves.

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[lofty lark]

Also, the first day there, I walked to Target, was about a 10 minute walk from my hotel. On the way there, clean sidewalk. Was in there for maybe 10 minutes. On the walk back there was a heaping pile of human poop (I 'm pretty sure, I'm not an expert on poop) on the sidewalk. At like 10:30am 😐

And the homeless situation there is absolutely wild.

[thin aspen]

I can confirm it was human

[dawn crane]

almost certainly

[thin aspen]

But that sounds about right. As far as the homeless situation goes, South Park wasn't lying.

[dawn crane]

For certain, if I were homeless, California is where I would go.

[lofty lark]

It's a wild experience. You got homeless people sleeping on the steps of multi-million dollar businesses with people wearing multi-thousand dollar outfits just stepping over them

[lofty lark]

According to my psych professor from college, a big part of it is the weather there is the best for homeless people. Doesn't ever get too hot or too cold. And apparently there use to be a lot of experiments/tests done on the homeless population there.

[dawn crane]

Not only the weather, but the lack of petty crime repercussions (shoplifting, car break ins, etc) and the state support, including free drugs.

[thin aspen]

ngmi

I think there's irony in people getting what they wanted in cali only to move to texas because it's too expensive to have your cake and eat it too

[dawn crane]

All of the amazing political irony would be delicious if it werent for the fact that we're screwed because of it.

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

I live in Detroit we were already screwed

[dawn crane]

Heh no doubt

[thin aspen]

One interesting thing here is the lack of homeless people

Post squatter rights being revoked I mean

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-detroit-become-human-video-game-title-gif-16682888

[thin aspen]

That game really got hart plaza looking nice

And the neighborhood Kara is supposed to be living in… for the most part

It however did not get 6 mile and gratiot right

[dawn crane]

why would they revoke squatters rights in detroit? seems counterproductive. If you have abandoned properties and a squatter takes over, you can start holding them responsible for the property and taxes

[thin aspen]

Officially so they could tear down the blighted houses, unofficially as a F you to the city.

[dawn crane]

well that makes sense then

[thin aspen]

It’s the same reason the got rid of the filming department here, because people were coming to Detroit to make films and the city was getting that money whereas they expected people to go the suburbs.

[dawn crane]

Hey I remember when that happened I know a producer that had had plans to film in detroit until they got rid of it and the tax credits

[thin aspen]

The transformers movies were shot here so was the Batman vs Superman movie and the former got the packard plant tore down and the latter got us a brand new highway

Yup it was all a part of the same deal

[lofty lark]

California was so fucking expensive to me. Small valley with a population too low to even be classified as a city > San Francisco. Hotel food especially. $26 for two pieces of french toast, oj and a muffin >.>

[thin aspen]

Yeah that's insane, and I'm more than positive you wouldn't have saved anything by just going to the store and getting the food yourself.

Cali is right up there with chicago to me expense wise

[lofty lark]

That's what lead me to go to Target that morning xD I bought some lunch meat and a loaf of bread

It was a bit cheaper

[thin aspen]

lol see what I'm saying, only a bit is the crazy part.

[lofty lark]

Is Chicago really expensive? >.> Definitely don't wanna move there then...

[thin aspen]

extremely expensive

lets use food as an example, how much do you pay at your local mcdonalds for two cheeseburgers a fry and a drink

[lofty lark]

Like, $10 tops.

I think a large meal is about $9

[thin aspen]

double that for the same thing the last time i was in chicago

[lofty lark]

Fuck. That.

[thin aspen]

thats why people leave illinois in general and go to wisconsin, it's a short drive to chicago and COL is way cheaper

[lofty lark]

I planned on visiting Chicago sometime in the next couple months hopefully but I didn't realize it could be that high on the expensive side >.>

[proud jay]

ok Blazor is kinda nice

and I say this after only having made a todo list

I am now an expert

[thin aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/he-level-up-jidon-adams-jidion-he-upgraded-he-gained-more-experience-gif-25329397

[thin aspen]

if you're gonna go visit just make sure you got money to spend that's about it

[lofty lark]

Dieters ToDo List:

• Master Blazor ✅

[lofty lark]

Yeah I've been saving up because I'm planning on going to GDC again next year (if I get accepted as a CA again). Don't know if I'll be able to afford a trip to chicago and sf

[proud jay]

are CA's presenters or just visitors?

[lofty lark]

Both but they mainly help run the conference.

They can present if they want to and they can attend the conference like everyone else.

You basically exchange 25 hours of paid work for an all-access pass to the conference (but the whole CA community is incredible and is a phenomenal networking opportunity on it's own)

[proud jay]

that's a pretty good deal tbh

[lofty lark]

Especially since California mandates CA's have to be paid hourly now. So you get paid to attend the conference really.

And the work is stuff like badging people at the talks, helping out with the workshops, being in the room during the talks to shepherd people to seats, help the speaker, etc.

And as a nature of the job you also get 1 on 1 interaction with presenters and a lot of interaction with attendees. But the networking opportunity (and overall community) between fellow CAs is the biggest benefit imo.

[thin aspen]

It really just depends on how long you plan on staying, if you have the money go for it though it's worth it.

so as long as you can get there you're pretty much set on the CA side

[lofty lark]

If I go to CA again, I'll be there for 7-8 nights again and if I visit Chicago I plan to be there for a week (I wanna visit because the studio I work for is located there).

[thin aspen]

I mean you could probably work something out with the studio or something, I'm sure they can accommodate in some way.

[lofty lark]

That's a good point. I'll have to bring it up and try aim for sometime early next year.

[oblique cloak]

😮

[fleet tangle]

Bleh

Flowers of evil isn't in cr any more. Or region restrictioned.

The videos are missing. :7

😦

Ah well.

What is hidive? Another distributor?

Or the producer?

Ah ha.

I think they might have a few other shows I'm watching, reincarnated as a sword and eminence in shadow.

[broken sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-katz-concern-thinking-worried-gif-10484425

[fleet tangle]

Hmm. I think I've seen that season...

[broken sigil]

I can tell 😆

[fleet tangle]

The name that spawned a thousand memes.

Ah. I couldn't even do that.

I knew some words. 😦

Time to dive into asobi asobase then!

I don't know.

I was watching this other show and everyone 8j the comments kept saying it was like asobi asobase.

And the show was awesome, so here I am.

30s in and the blonde girl has slapped a girl she was playing rock paper scissors with. Good start!

It seems she's American, but raised in Japan. She transfers to school and is now getting special treatment from the teacher because none of them think she can speak proper Japanese.

All the fn stuff is moving to cr anyway.

Well, they transfer like 5-10 shows over every week...

And have been for months.

A little yeah.

Me too.

[tidal heart]

Y’all crack me up 😂

[zinc matrix]

im a new guy, and im wondering if I could work with people on small but shipable projects

it would really benefit me to work with a team to do stuff, since I don't see myself being able to do big or good enough/shippable projects. lmk if you or your team has a spot for me to join.

[proud jay]

maybe check #rev-share-jobs or #freelance-jobs or #volunteer-projects ?

I'm always surprised at how many channels this server has when I unhide my muted channels lol

omg, I don't know when they did it, but they finally moved game jam voice chat to the voice chat category, layout saved 🙏

[fading goblet]

its weird that ue5 is so satisfying while playing games itself not rlly

[quasi mantle]

Well, you can do (almost) anything you want with the Unreal Editor.

It's like a sand box but for serious people

[fading goblet]

i mean i like multiplayer games, kinda relaxing

but i dont rlly get phenomena of spending hours in singleplayer games

[fading goblet]

just more advanced garys mode?

kinda

[quasi mantle]

As someone who do, it's refreshing to get immersed in a well built single player games, getting intrigued by the story and taking any gameplay opportunities the game has to offer. It's also enjoyable without requiring constant internet connection.

[fading goblet]

rn im playing witcher 3 and its good but im still angry that my country is known by only one AAA game and nothing more

[unreal ether]

Sometimes single player games take hours to complete.

Not to mention multiplayer games are quite often competitive, can have the experience ruined by others, require an active and stable internet connection, and generally cannot be modded

[quasi mantle]

I can easily spend hours in RPGs like Final Fantasy (except FF2, screw that game in particular)

[quasi mantle]

I thought Poland has many games to offer 🤔

[proud jay]

yeah, there's also cyberpunk 2077... /s

[unreal ether]

I also find that multiplayer games tend to focus on a repetitive game loop that can be quite boring after a while, whereas single player games give a more start to finish, developing exoerience

[proud jay]

I guess Bloober is also from Poland

from The Medium

[quasi mantle]

Also I've spend hours on single player GTA games, modding it as many as I like

[proud jay]

and Layers of Fear

[quasi mantle]

and Silent Hill 2 remake

[proud jay]

single player > multi player, unless you play with friends

but then you need friends

that also have the game

[quasi mantle]

The very thing Bloober Team wanted to copy, talking about ascended fanboy

[proud jay]

Frostpunk is also polish game I think

I know a guy working at Bloober since september

working on some very secret project

Dying Light is also Polish

[quasi mantle]

I made some friends in FF14, but I'm not frequent on it for months now, just didn't have the security to get myself to sub again

[fading goblet]

but we are known by witcher only

[proud jay]

depends who you ask

but that's just always the case if there's a big hit defining the industry in the country

how many games do you know from Belgium

[cursive crypt]

I know Poland because Czech are next to them.

[quasi mantle]

Also from what I know, CD Projekt was one of the early progenitor of Polish gamedev scene, but I might be wrong

[proud jay]

Divinity original sin, I think that's the only real internationally well known game

[broken sigil]

I can recommend playing Outer wilds (not worlds) and the free echoes of the eye dlc

It's easily one of the best single player games I've played

[cursive crypt]

Bovine Divinity was better to me btw.

I mean, the first. *Divine Divinity - best name

[broken sigil]

And Shadow of the colossus, played it ages ago on PS2

[quasi mantle]

Both games (Outer Wilds and Outer Worlds) are confusing wwwww

[cursive crypt]

Outward too

[broken sigil]

What I like about outer wilds is that you are free to explore and solve the mystery however you want, some puzzles were difficult to figure out tho

[quasi mantle]

"Mom, can we have Outer Wilds?"
"We have Outer Wilds at home."

Outer Wilds at home:
The Outer Worlds

[proud jay]

that's just fallout

[cursive crypt]

OutFall

[broken sigil]

And sadly it's not a game I can replay, once you know how to beat it you can beat within 15min

Outer wilds for me is a one of a kind experience, there isn't anything like it, some will love it some won't

[proud jay]

anyone played AntiChamber?

love that game

[quasi mantle]

the multi dimensional game one?

[proud jay]

not sure what you mean exactly

all 3d games are multi dimensional I guess

that's what the d stands for

it's non-euclidean if that's wht you mean

it's very white

https://youtu.be/aGsnm2nOnso

[quasi mantle]

Yes, that was what I'm talking about

[fading goblet]

it was

i mean they started with some simple games

and importing and traslating gothic

[proud jay]

what chair do you guys use

it's impossible for me to find one that is comfortable for long periods of time

I get the feeling that all chairs are made for short people 😭

[cursive crypt]

I used one gaming chair, Luos has similar. Its skin was wearing out and it made you sweat. Now, I bought an "ergonomic office" one. But my lower back feels not so good with it - it needs a bit more freedom of moving its parts.

[proud jay]

https://imgur.com/COlyhIy

that chair?

vertagear

[cursive crypt]

yeah, looks skin is shinning tho 😏

[proud jay]

I don't like gaming chairs tbh

[cursive crypt]

Pretty much the same.

[proud jay]

so bucket-y

[cursive crypt]

Kinda yeah. Bulky.

And mostly LEDs and no content, you know - like all gaming brands.

[quasi mantle]

The fabled Vergil Chair.

[proud jay]

is that just a garden chair?

[quasi mantle]

Yes sir

[cursive crypt]

I recommend "mesh" ones btw, feels better in summer.

[quasi mantle]

Staying true to the potato lifestyle, because I don't like flashy decors.
Get RGB out of my stuff please.

[cursive crypt]

And does not crumble like most "leather"

[proud jay]

yeah mesh is bae

the herman miller celle?

someone has too much money 👀

good investment though

since I sit in my chair all day lol

[cursive crypt]

Abandon meat, become metal based lifeform.

[quasi mantle]

Plastic garden chair that keeps you motivated and comfortable, can't get any better than this

[cursive crypt]

This cries for extended Product on the Marketplace. With 10 materials of different colors at least.

[quasi mantle]

If you want it, then you'll have to take it.

[proud jay]

anyone have some more book recs btw?

just finished Piranesi

think I'm gonna read Fairy Tale from SK next but after that idk

interesting

always wanted to cry while reading

I wish bookstores would give you the e-book if you buy a physical copy

or at least a discount on it

my ereader is so nice to use

but I like shit on my shelf

[timber viper]

A clockwork orange

[proud jay]

is it very different from the movie?

[timber viper]

Only watched first 20 mins of movie because it felt terrible compared to book

it was 900x better in my imagination

[proud jay]

tbh wasn't that big a fan of the movie

[deep glen]

me neither, but having this one for 5 or so years, its still good

dafuq happened XD

[proud jay]

mr popular

[deep glen]

more like, spamspamspammerspam

[slim atlas]

thats luos ;D

thats literally original luos

[proud jay]

I am aware

hence why I posted it when talking about Luos' chair

[slim atlas]

i am your queen

bow

[proud jay]

🙅

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-eyes-gif-22773102

[quasi mantle]

🙇

[slim atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/shirley-temple-giggle-laugh-evil-laugh-gif-13530428

[timber viper]

@proud jay so does French eat bread in can or something

[proud jay]

no

but bread is pain in french

[timber viper]

i heard baugette is nice tho

[quasi mantle]

I've seen the meat grape one

[timber viper]

[proud jay]

it is

[quasi mantle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaVHTd9Ne_s

[pearl elk]

my berrys are made of meat

[timber viper]

@sand oxide do you remember recommending trying to draw a cube to console to learn math?

so when you said "no using libs like directx", did you mean literally drawing the cube via cout??

[proud jay]

how about a donut though

[quasi mantle]

Text mode only, not even software renderer

[timber viper]

i saw its code, its way beyond beginner level

[proud jay]

https://youtu.be/DEqXNfs_HhY

donut code for donut

[quasi mantle]

There are some impressive text mode demoscene prods

[proud jay]

I don't like Lex Fridman but I can't say exactly why

now this made me thing of this dragon quine

https://github.com/mame/quine-relay

some people have too much time

luckily there's an open issue on it called "Why?"

[pearl elk]

the cube must have its center point at origin not one of its corners

youre making it way too easy 😛

[proud jay]

I don't think moving the origin in the hard part though

[pearl elk]

multiplication by a negative you mean

why would you make the cube a fixed size lol

[slim atlas]

Wow what 😮

i was put into timeout

but i havent received a message

or anything 😮

what happened

i am so confused

[pearl elk]

excessive use of the enter key

[slim atlas]

ya haha very funny...

XD wtf

[proud jay]

maybe telling people to bow is sexual harrasment?

idk

[slim atlas]

there was no reason in the timeout message

i didnt even notice it because i was away 😮

i have no idea what happened

[proud jay]

luos here to ban you once and for all

[deep glen]

quinn couldnt dm you due to how you set up to receive dm's

[slim atlas]

😄 but quinn is a bot

bots are ok to dm

[deep glen]

i'll dm you the reason

[slim atlas]

there was a reason?! 😮

omg

[proud jay]

well I hope they don't time out people without reason lol

[pearl elk]

thanks for reminding me to check my DM settings

[deep glen]

they dont, but if user doesnt accept dm's, quinn cant dm them

[slim atlas]

I found out 😄 shhhheeeesh. It was a slap from the past

[proud jay]

always confused if the Mat Functions in your bio mean material functions or just math functions spelled wrong

[pearl elk]

poor Quinn has no friends

[slim atlas]

i thought i had dms open for anyone

this was really really weird guys.

[deep glen]

material XD
didnt fit if I wrote material

[pearl elk]

I prefer Rug Functions

[slim atlas]

anyways ill apologize for what i did 😦 i thought i was entering a joke train. Should have stayed away.

[proud jay]

always buy a ticket before boarding a train

I got timed out once for proving the "jk" defense doesn't work 😭

[slim atlas]

it doesnt?

[pearl elk]

I forgive you

[proud jay]

apparently not

[slim atlas]

ofc the new guy forgives me.

such innocence

bless you child

[pearl elk]

Ive never done anything wrong in my life

[slim atlas]

oh so holy

so pure

[proud jay]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[pearl elk]

the leave of purity is my proof

[slim atlas]

dieter stop bully

[proud jay]

wait, why is the ex-community manager of my college following Luos on twitter 🤔

really mr famous

[deep glen]

im sorry

[pearl elk]

whats Twitter?

[proud jay]

that's exactly what he would say

he's canadian

[slim atlas]

luos is kinda a cool guy

so

why no

[pearl elk]

luos wears the best hats

maybe they are just there for the hats

[proud jay]

and chickens

[deep copper]

and holds the best chickens

[deep glen]

tips hat
M'chicken

[pearl elk]

this is why we dont have sarcasm tags... because people would use them sarcastically

[proud jay]

you're so smart /s

[pearl elk]

and you need to lay off the enter key

[deep glen]

random pet peeve:
putting ! in your handle so you are at the top of the members list :p

[proud jay]

yeah I can't stand that

[deep glen]

quinn is on github, add a pull request :p

[slim atlas]

my name has flowers

[proud jay]

does it use Epic PR policy?

[deep glen]

nah

[pearl elk]

Is Manny finally getting some time off?

[proud jay]

no

[turbid spindle]

:question: Do you have time off?
:8ball: My sources say no.

[pearl elk]

He still spams me with crap from people Ive blocked though

Only way to get away from it is to leave the server entirely

[deep copper]

wait manny sends you stuff?

[pearl elk]

it still sends in the channel even if the person is blocked

so a particularly spammy person cannot be blocked

[deep copper]

what does it send?

[pearl elk]

8ball stuff etc

[deep copper]

ahh

maybe quinn can ban manny

[turbid spindle]

:question: Can Quinn sentence you for suspension?
:8ball: Yes.

[quasi mantle]

See, Quinn can ban Manny

Quinn can ban Manny

[timber viper]

should be degrading to become a clown bot after banning people for 7 years

[quasi mantle]

Try saying that out loud over and over again

[timber viper]

"mini" homework

[deep copper]

i don't even know what hermite curve is

[timber viper]

either I'm very dumb - which is very likely - or people are so smart to consider this as mini

[timber viper]

ngl I dont know either

but working on it since one week

[deep copper]

?!

what are you doing to it

[pearl elk]

type of curve depends on the amount of control points

[timber viper]

and smooths the path to next control point via tangents

[pearl elk]

precisely, youre not as dumb as you make out 🙂

[timber viper]

trying to make AI bots in games follow a smooth path by creating a spline with those algos

[deep copper]

okay, why use this over bezier? those tangent feel like just a complicated way to point towards a point

[timber viper]

UE uses this

I'm trying to use bezier

[deep copper]

ah, goodluck

[timber viper]

i heard this action is easy as calling a function in js -- in 2d context ofc

maybe you are already familiar with it

[deep copper]

yeah i think there were functions for it, but idk if it was there vanilla

oh canvas ? yeah it was there i think, but for drawing shapes iirc ?

[timber viper]

yep

[deep copper]

i didn't know you were so desperate you even searched through js for this

[pearl elk]

GetTransformAtDistance?

I think that might be the Paper2D terrain one though, forget the 3d spline one

[timber viper]

if you mean the function in USplineComponent, they work as intended but my goal is to smooth the AI path by post processing it by runtime calculated spline points. UE's default "auto calculate tangents" thing doesnt really form a proper shape for this so I've been working on alternative implementations

the message I replied is what I have currently, but its made using catmull-rom -- but turns out it wasnt actually correctly calculated and causes error on spline shape

[pearl elk]

ahh okay so you want to do some extrapolation to give you a nicer path

[timber viper]

yep, exactly

[deep copper]

tbh i wanted to see what happens if they went crazy with the cursor xD

that looks fun

[deep copper]

sounds complicated 🤔 , but i hope you get this soft line working, it looks fun

[timber viper]

when you only have 3 brain cells like me its not 😄

[deep copper]

like mons said !

as a side note, we should all group hug eren to motivate him

[quasi mantle]

Wrong, he needs Vergil's Chair to stay motivated

[deep copper]

? vergil chair

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-chair-dmc-yamato-gif-21401933

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-peripheral-chloe-grace-moretz-putting-on-the-headset-the-peripheral-tv-show-gif-26982274

[deep copper]

the chair looks , calming

[pearl elk]

theyre terrible tbh, they always snap at the back legs

brittle as hell from sitting around in the elements as usual and boom

[deep glen]

I have a large friend, he sat down in one of those chairs, then lied down with part of the chair

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-musical-chairs-fall-winner-competitive-gif-5691912

[proud jay]

man reminds me of one time I was at a friends house in the garden

but the ground was very soft

and the chair legs very pointy

and the chair leg just kept going into the ground lol

[deep copper]

and they are hard i think

[proud jay]

the peripheral?

I'll look it up

[pearl elk]

Gibson is great tbh, I really enjoyed Burning Chrome

[proud jay]

I don't think that's very good for the environment

I fucking hate these stickers

[quasi mantle]

It comes down to how thick and strong the plastic is.

[proud jay]

yeah

big suck

[deep copper]

"now" , so it wasn't original before ? how does that work

[proud jay]

hasn't bothered me since I have my e-reader though 😎

now my bookshelf is just looking sad instead

[proud jay]

it wasn't a series before

[deep copper]

o!

[proud jay]

while earning much needed extra money playing VR games for rich people

excuse me?

we can earn money playing games now?

[deep copper]

yes, since the time blockchain came

or so the adverts say

[quasi mantle]

Congratulations, now you're part of an MLM pyramid scheme. Enjoy while it lasts.

[pearl elk]

Does anyone wanna buy some avon opens his coat

[deep copper]

avon?

[quasi mantle]

"What are you buyin?"

[proud jay]

short description of the peripheral doesn't really speak to me but I'll give it a go

can always DNF

[quasi mantle]

black market drugs cosmetics with strong ponzi scheme

[deep copper]

dnf..?

ah, got it !

[quasi mantle]

I know Avon and Tupperware are two of the more prominent offenders

[timber viper]

avon? isnt it something very common

how come its a ponzi scheme

[pearl elk]

Tupperware fairly has a quality product with a lifetime warranty

[quasi mantle]

Yeah, at least both of them have some justified use value

[deep copper]

avon sounds like oven

[pearl elk]

they work like websites which give you discount to recommend to friends

so it looks like a grass roots word of mouth recommendation but its really just influencers and the people on the top make a killing

[deep copper]

that sounds like most companies in some ways

[quasi mantle]

Play-to-earn games though, are, dare I say, complete scam

[deep copper]

kinda like affiliate links but only discounts?

[deep copper]

they aren't even fun afaik

[pearl elk]

its all legit if people get paid, Ponzi style is when there is no product and no one gets paid. Like selling land 3 or 4 times over to different people and never owning the land lol

[deep copper]

like if you need to pay players to make them play ..

[deep copper]

yikes, but sounds like a smooth scam

[quasi mantle]

I won't call them scam per se

[proud jay]

a ponzi scheme is using new customers funds to pay out old customers

[pearl elk]

I think employees should pay me to work for me, its totally a new way of working, we're sticking it to the man... decentralisation... waves his hands magically

[proud jay]

like if you loan me 100 euros and I promise to have 20% profit per year, I promise the same thing to AU, but I juse AU's money to pay your 20 euros

and then I find a new dumbass to pay out AU's profit

[deep copper]

tbh... you make it sound like it works as long as the person doing it lives

[quasi mantle]

Or until they're bleeding money

[proud jay]

and you find new people to scam

[deep copper]

or just use the older customers again

[proud jay]

origin of the name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi

[quasi mantle]

The older customer would be either somehow survive, or already in heavy debt, but they keep on going by smooth talk

[pearl elk]

I just prettied up these graphs, gave em a scifi theme, called it Eve and now people work for free lol

Im building a pyramid so when I die all my game achievements can be 3d printed and buried with me

[deep copper]

that's so complicated, but atleast his occupation sounds cool

[proud jay]

scamming people?

he never actual bought the postal things lol

[deep copper]

if it takes long to scam it wouldn't be profitable tbh

[deep copper]

can i be there too?

[proud jay]

Bernie Madoff was better at scamming people though

The news brought down five other banks in addition to Hanover Trust. Ponzi's investors were practically wiped out, receiving less than 30 cents to the dollar. They lost about $20 million in 1920 dollars (approximately $199 million in 2021 dollars).[16] By comparison, Bernie Madoff's similar scheme that collapsed in 2008 cost his investors about $18 billion, 53 times the losses of Ponzi's scheme.

[deep copper]

"Occupation
Financier, confidence trickster"

atleast they got famous

[quasi mantle]

Unless you convince more than one people.
One person would convince, say 20 people. Those 20 people would in turn each convince 20 more people. All 400 people paying up would eventually made its way to that one person on the top

Especially mothers are the easy target for MLMs.

[proud jay]

that's a pyramid scheme

[pearl elk]

at some point the person at the top doesnt even need to convince people because theres enough below to keep it running

[proud jay]

different from ponzi scheme

[deep copper]

that's some ^n power stuff

[quasi mantle]

What the hell, both are the same to me, and I hate MLMs.

[deep copper]

i keep reading that as m&m which is some candy company i think

[proud jay]

nono in pyram / mlm you recruit people to make money for you

[quasi mantle]

Yes. The one already on the top would get richer, and the one below would become poorer.

[proud jay]

in ponzi you get new investors to pay out old investors profits

but you're still just the one guy

[pearl elk]

member chain letters

[cursive crypt]

If you don't send this to 10 more ppl you will get wet when it rains.

[pearl elk]

send the original sender a gold coin hehe

[cursive crypt]

NFT is fine too

[pearl elk]

are the severed fingers of my enemies considered NFTs?

[proud jay]

well they are NF

[deep copper]

depending on how you use them, yes?

[proud jay]

but not T

[cursive crypt]

Only if they are red pixels

Can you nft a pixel? Like RGB(123,1,0)

[deep glen]

please no XD

[cursive crypt]

mY PIxeL!

[proud jay]

well you could

you can nft anything you want

but in essence the NFT is not the pixel

[cursive crypt]

I'm copyrighting the Black (0,0,0)

[proud jay]

it is the proof that you own the pixel

and even then, if the pixel is represented, the owner of the representation could take it down

[cursive crypt]

No longer zero init till paying royalties.

[proud jay]

buying NFTs is like buying receipts from people leaving the store

[pearl elk]

your pixel sir

[cursive crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/rhobh-cat-kitten-pixel-art-meme-gif-17539593

[primal summit]

quite to the contrary, they are certainly fungible, but not tokens, so severed fingers might be a FNT

[proud jay]

well one finger is not the same as the other finger

[deep copper]

aren't fingerprints completely unique for everything?

[pearl elk]

non-finger tokens

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/steak-meat-cutting-bbq-food-gif-18585281

ledger for db is nice with history ledger

[primal summit]

M&Ms are a particular type of candy made by Mars.

[pearl elk]

whaaa, are you saying I had to record where the severed fingers came from?

[deep copper]

hey i know mars chocolate company

[proud jay]

they make canddy

not chocolate

[soft night]

mons as hiistory ledger table knows when oyu had fingers

[deep copper]

so that it's finger licking good

[pearl elk]

hmm when did I last have fingers...

[deep copper]

ah, well close enough!

[proud jay]

I'm offended

[deep copper]

maybe while burning that chrome thing

[soft night]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/security/ledger/media/ledger/ledger-table-architecture.png?view=sql-server-ver16

[deep copper]

why ?! are you our candy ?!

[pearl elk]

trusted storage hahahaha

[proud jay]

you insulted chocolate

[pearl elk]

why does it look like a dodgy 44 gallon drum

[soft night]

mons have you heard anima protocol?

[deep copper]

i didn't know calling candy chocolate was this bad ! i apologise

[pearl elk]

No but I have the googles

https://anima.io

this movie is amazing

[cursive crypt]

Anime protocol? 🤔

[soft night]

the image what i posted was from this https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/security/ledger/ledger-overview?view=sql-server-ver16

[pearl elk]

I think thats the older version where everyone used anime display pics

[primal summit]

a MLM is where I sell a product, and license you to sell same product, bought from me, for a cut of the profit, and also allow you to license others to sell the same product to others that they buy from you that you bought from me as well as license others to sell the product that they bought and so on...

[cursive crypt]

There are still some users around.

[deep copper]

i sense a recursion somewhere

[deep copper]

but seriously what's a web3 platform

[pearl elk]

This Anima movie is so uplifting, I knew the future held pyramids somewhere but I had no idea I could walk through cryptographic blocks quite literally

[primal summit]

tighter margins at the bottom, only way to keep profitable is to keep sublicensing, scamming and ruining your friends and family for a small cut of profits, while I get rich at the top

[pearl elk]

Its the platform that comes after web2?

[soft night]

web3 is more about decentralizing

[foggy path]

web3 is about scamming people into thinking it has a future

[soft night]

zomg if you want to scam people that how scammers want you to think it isi

zomg have you went to mastodon?

[pearl elk]

you know whats hilarious about this though, the evil software in Anti-Trust was called Synapse

[proud jay]

web3 is a sham and a scam

[deep copper]

sounds like somebody should release a web4 to get on the hype train

[proud jay]

just like all crypto and nft garbage

[soft night]

we are bots we live in simulation folks

[foggy path]

nah nothing there for me

[pearl elk]

who knows, maybe someone will actually make this decentralised stuff useful but its going to take alot of big partnerships

[deep copper]

and regaining the trust

[soft night]

Mastodon is decentraliced social platform what still use servers like silos of conversation

[foggy path]

But it's not web3

:P

[pearl elk]

so we can launch conversations to attack our enemies over at Twitter lol

[deep copper]

i heard luos has quite the following on twitter

[soft night]

bascially evetthing decentralized can be seen as Web3

[proud jay]

basically web3 is useless

[foggy path]

the term web3 is tainted

if you want your non-crypto non-blockchain non-nft decentralized project to be taken seriously

do NOT call it web3

:P

[pearl elk]

Web 3 is the third Spiderman trilogy

[soft night]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-no-way-home-spider-man-pointing-meme-spider-man-pointing-gif-25131254

[deep copper]

web :3

[foggy path]

IRC is arguably web3 if we take the "everything decentralized" lol

[proud jay]

there's literally 0 problems that decentralization solves atm

[foggy path]

I think the idea of Mastodon seems good. In the same way as having your own website is good instead of having all your crap on someone else's platform

[deep copper]

let me just, look that up

[proud jay]

I mean is it really decentralized though

it's just running your own server

is my terraria server also decentralized

[foggy path]

If you can connect it into other Terraria servers to form some type of network I guess you could say so

[pearl elk]

Web3 is here man, its entirely decentralised amongst the 5 big server providers 😛

[proud jay]

yo wtf

[pearl elk]

stickin it to da man

[proud jay]

did you block me Mons

what did I do

[foggy path]

sounds like you got dietered

[proud jay]

cries in

[deep copper]

"Mike Pence is an example of toxic Christianity. We should have freedom of religion, yes, but we must also ensure freedom from religion. Your religious freedoms don’t give you the right to deny freedoms or civic participation to others. Period." is what i see first thing in mostodon

[pearl elk]

https://tenor.com/view/safe-cracking-ludwig-dieter-army-of-thieves-breaking-in-cracking-safe-gif-23811869

[deep copper]

mostodon feels like twitter tbh

[proud jay]

but without moderation

n-word usage x500000

[deep copper]

wait you can't on twitter ?

i thought it was a place everyone stays mad at so, weird words should be flying left and right