latest-updates

[silent prism]

To make it fair

[fresh cedar]

Like Japan, France and eventually Germany all had relatively low amounts of pilots

[fallen zenith]

Yea but there'd probably be ways to increase the specifics. Either through navy/air xp or specialized buildings

[fresh cedar]

I was thinking buildings too

Maybe it would actually let the player divert more towards one of the three. While superpowers could do all

[silent prism]

Buildings in the style of facilities?

[fresh cedar]

Like UK would be Air Force and Navy. Germany Army and Air Force

[fresh cedar]

Hard to say. I believe HOI3 had training facilities that once built helped train manpower

It could be like “Naval power” and not manpower at all. Just like the idea

[silent prism]

It would be cool to have "Training facilities" to train diva

Say, if you have 20 facilities, you can create 20 divs at a time

It can be balanced

[fresh cedar]

Or would force you to spawn divisions at specific tiles too

[fresh cedar]

Probably is just Naval Power lets be honest

[silent prism]

But let's dream big

[fresh cedar]

I’d just love for Germany and Japan to start running out of pilots late war

As they did

[silent prism]

That would be interesting

[fresh cedar]

US and Royal Air Force would be top tier

[fallen zenith]

I feel like it'd be more a production of specialized manpower. So there's a tactical aspect to stockpiling specific ones to prep for war

[fresh cedar]

But I think UK started running low on pilots too

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

[silent prism]

And ussr will just have a shit ton of low guality planes, with a very few aces

[silent prism]

Also true, but I believe it also means a lot of calculations, which means game will run slower, which will make people unhappy.

But it would be great

[fresh cedar]

My fear too

Ironically HOI3 ran fine with it

[silent prism]

I also have a high end PC and don't complain

[fresh cedar]

Same

[silent prism]

But one of my best friends has not that good of a laptop

And he complains

[fresh cedar]

I was gonna get a new processor specifically with amazing single core performance for paradox games

[silent prism]

Haha

Actually

[fresh cedar]

Which I think Intel is still OP in that regard

[silent prism]

I know one more thing I would love to have

Extend the line of

Army Corps
Army
Division

[fresh cedar]

Wdym

Oooh

Well sorta has that with regiments

[silent prism]

I would love to have, say, "brigades" of Anti-Tank weapons

Since now they kinda make no sense

[silent prism]

Yeah but nah

There is a great example now

Ukrainian military

It has "line units" and "specialist units". Which was also a thing at WW2

My grandpa was in a Panzer-hunting unit

Brb in 10 minutes

[brittle venture]

Irl there were universities for training military commanders/units

Germany even "force deployed" from them late war

When they were at the front

It would make sense tbf and not ruin ahist

[fallen zenith]

Yea exactly. Only thing I can think of that might be a problem is that its another thing new players have to deal with which will make the game even less beginner friendly

[brittle venture]

Kind of yeah

I wouldnt advocate for it but i can see it being a thing is all

[fallen zenith]

Tbh it is a part thats not accounted for in HOI4. But it'd require a lot of balancing to make it work for every single country

[brittle venture]

yeah

every nation would have to start with at least 1 for capital

i think

but itd be kinda cool

[thick edge]

I mean

You can

But it won’t be effective

lol

Untrained pilot
+50% accidents chance
-50% on all combat stats

[brittle venture]

tbf irl that was the issue

there were enough planes

just not enough pilots

thats why germany lost the battle of britain

their planes would get shot

and their pilots would land in uk and get captured or land in channel

so they lost like all their air veterancy

[fallen zenith]

Yea but they need at least basic training. In game you just put them in a plane and done

[brittle venture]

thats what the germans thought

[thick edge]

What if the new fuel is finite resources

That would be so funny

[hardy breach]

I really hope co-operated puppet states will be added with the reinvented faction dynamics

[polar jasper]

Something I liked in the dev diary was how alt-history was going to be more grounded which I find neat. I do like the occasional schizo path, but those should be more of an easter egg rather than a full blown path

[frank gulch]

JAPAN MENTIONED

[cold gale]

ngl

would love to see a semi-independent korea with trees you can play as them with, even if they're a puppet of japan, and that you can declare independence from

[frank gulch]

id like to see them do something unique with the alt hist

not the typical democratic (lame), communist (Pro-USSR), communist (Fight USSR)

prior to WW2 Japan had a decent anarchist movement

that could be fun

would be a lot more entertaining doing a "liberate the world" run as a major power than spain

I know Paradox will have some pretty fun ideas. Gotterdamerung blew me away with the alt hist. It wasnt ridiculous like some of the stuff in TOA or GOE

[cold gale]

is there going to be game engine rework also? or not yet since y'all said hoi4 maybe going on for a while

[frank gulch]

they will continue to release stuff until fans get tired of it

thats what happened with EU4

EU4 became a bloated mess

[cold gale]

yeah

i would want hoi4 to survive long as it can but not a bloated mess 💀

[frank gulch]

stellaris is on its way there

[polar jasper]

Some democratic trees are decent

Christian Democracy Italy has you just play historical Italy for the most part

No Further Appeasement allows the UK to justify war goals

Some of the democratic paths in South America are decently strong

Germany's democratic tree is good too

[fallen zenith]

A game engine rework isn't as simple as it seems. They'd need to rewrite the entire games code to make it work with a new engine. Which would take way too long. So if there is ever a new engine it's be for HOI5 and they'd start again from scratch on the game. But HOI4 is a lot more limited than EU4 just because theres way less countries. There's a reason 3 DLCs got integrated and they updated the germany tree instead of doing something like giving tannu tuva or liberia a tree first. And the chances are pretty high they'll rework Japan or China for the next DLC. But there is still new mechanics which might still add bloat anyways

[fresh cedar]

Ngl might be onto something with Ammunition as the new fuel

Had spam ammunition cans all over the room in the video

[fallen zenith]

I feel like thats just to set the scene. There was also a few maps and a chair which don't rly seem too important

[fresh cedar]

Very true

[fallen zenith]

Actually. Could it be electricity?

Complete shot in the dark

[fresh cedar]

I guess so considering it could make oil even more worth, as well as dams/nuclear reactors

[fallen zenith]

Yea. And HOI4 doesn't really implement it in any way

I guess we'll have to wait

[drifting star]

Ammo would be just awful

Hopefully electrical grids

Or money

Can you imagine how big the floated values would have to be , the errors would be so much in tedium

[coral drift]

Very much agree.

Limit the meme formables to those who actually advocates for it IRL in the game's timeframe.

Rome? Mussolini wanted it
Arabia? Pan-Arabists exists
Eastern Roman Empire? Kosmidis

Mughal? Who?

[polar jasper]

Mughals were historically big in India

Not sure how relevant they were 100 years after they collapsed

[coral drift]

Any specific figures who wanted it back in the 1930s?

[polar jasper]

Got me there

Same applies to East India Company

[rigid schooner]

Can somebody tell me what the talked about in the dev diary?

[polar jasper]

Waking the Tiger 2 to be next DLC

Alt history will be more grounded

[coral drift]

Also to add to it, even not everyone agreed about the extent of Indonesia

Initialy it only counted Java and Sumatra, some wanted Kalimantan and Sunda Islands to be included, then Moluccas and West Papua were added. Finalized in July 1945 as only Dutch East Indies' territory.

Some got funni ideas and started to include the non-DEI lands like Malaya, Portuguese Timor, and Northern Borneo, citing that Majapahit has influences there. Nusantara would be the name for it.

[polar jasper]

Power is going to be a new resource

Faction rework

Now I'm going to make a hypothesis

[rigid schooner]

Tf is power supposed to be

[polar jasper]

Faction and Pacific War shenanigans was a MtG thing

MtG to be integrated?

[rigid schooner]

If MTG is intengrated

La resistance and battle of Bosporus should also

[polar jasper]

That would be shocking, but would be epic

[rigid schooner]

But fr what is power

[polar jasper]

A thing on the roadmap

[rigid schooner]

But is it a mineral?

[polar jasper]

June 26

OH YEAH

Making doctrines effect templates more

[rigid schooner]

Ngl sound pretty good

Tomorrow I will read it

[polar jasper]

A doctrine rework would be cool

Hopefully something to shake up the current mass mob meta

[rigid schooner]

I think they are fine

But the factions rework is good

Very good

And also what is you’re meaning of more grounded alt pats

Like more normal

Or a little realistic

[polar jasper]

They had a whole discussion thing saying that when making paths, they will try to make it less "East India Company restored" to "Churchill becomes prime minister in 1937"

In craziness

[rigid schooner]

I see

My thought was right then

Pretty good ngl

[polar jasper]

I wish I could be a content designer assistant intern thing so I can help design a totally balanced and fun US tree

[rigid schooner]

If it’s a waking the tiger thing then USA would be for later no?

More china-Japan focused

[polar jasper]

That's what they said

China and Japan

[rigid schooner]

So my idea is the they used

[polar jasper]

I'm just saying since the Pacific Theater is being worked on, I want to get involved with designing US content

[rigid schooner]

A china, japan and maybe Thailand or more dlc

[polar jasper]

Probably East Indies

[rigid schooner]

And in the future a US, Australia, New Zealand and other Asian countries

[polar jasper]

If China is getting content reworked, I doubt Malaya or Philippines are getting content

[rigid schooner]

Exactly

That goes for a dlc with us and Australia in the future

[polar jasper]

Maybe another Together for Victory rework for Australia and New Zealand with a US rework that includes the Philippines and maybe Malaya

[rigid schooner]

Like a dlc of the pacific divided in two parts

And maybe a country pack for Mexico, Peru and colombi

[polar jasper]

Mexicos tree is still alright

US just needs more flavor

Maybe some other aspects to modernize it

[drifting star]

Mexico needs a monarchist path

[rigid schooner]

But if mtg gets intengrated they are free to update

[rigid schooner]

Fr

Even rt56 path sucked

And it has so much potential

[polar jasper]

They got a queen(?) If hungary goes hapsburg

[drifting star]

Also Hashemite caliphate needs a new color

The standard is ugly make it red or green or black

[rigid schooner]

But the Colombia and Peru could have very good tries

And you can sneak Venezuela in there

[polar jasper]

Upper South America DLC would be neat

Peru-Ecuador war content

[coral drift]

Only after Indonesia gets its tree

[rigid schooner]

Restoring independence Bolivian borders would be a good challenge

[drifting star]

Prolly something like fields of glory, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia , Mongolia

[rigid schooner]

With china and Japan I doubt it

[polar jasper]

I was honestly surprised Bolivia didn't get content in ToA

[drifting star]

Mongolia dlc ?

[rigid schooner]

It isn’t like it’s cultural region

[drifting star]

Hopefully in Japan update

[rigid schooner]

Maybe now

[coral drift]

Yes. ToA is Southern Cone

[rigid schooner]

Khalkin gol needs an update

[polar jasper]

Mengukuo focus tree before Mongolia lmao

[polar jasper]

Yes

[rigid schooner]

If Bolivia gets a free it has to be with Peru

[coral drift]

Devs, please use the right books to develop content for Indonesia.

[polar jasper]

If they rework border conflicts it would be epic

[drifting star]

Puppet mongol empire

[rigid schooner]

Prob not right now if they update china

[polar jasper]

I want to see them be limited wars basically

[rigid schooner]

But sooon

And also they could do a South Asia country pack

[coral drift]

Japan + Southeast Asia + Resource Rework is the perfect combo

[polar jasper]

I would like to say that this DLC is a big "lmao gimme money" to people who bought Waking the Tiger

If it is literally WTT 2

[rigid schooner]

Siam, Philippines, Malaya, indochina and maybe Burma

[coral drift]

Japan explicitly comes here for resources.

[rigid schooner]

If they decide to make an us, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and maybe South Africa

[rigid schooner]

Same with china

[coral drift]

Leave the Naval Re-rework for US Re-Rework

[coral drift]

China has oil and rubber?

[rigid schooner]

That’s why a dlc for that and later a country pack more Southeast Asia makes sense

[polar jasper]

Idk the problem with navy currently

Nvm I do

Deathstacks

[rigid schooner]

No, but it has other resources

[rigid schooner]

Navy simplification would be nice but difficult to make

[polar jasper]

I still hope it is a resource rework so we can get a stockpile mechanic

Kinda treat all resources like oil

[rigid schooner]

Anyways paradox finally doing a good work

Eu5

Pacific rework

China, Japan and rest of Asia in ck3

If only imperator Rome gets new content

It’s my dream

[hushed swan]

why they would do that when the former imperator team full steam on eu5 and adopt some system to it

[hollow coral]

And uk if they decide to integrate mtg

[brittle venture]

They should integrate mtg and LaR

Especially LaR is just broken

[hollow coral]

mtg could allow for full british commonwealth rework

and ireland tree

[rocky escarp]

Integrate Man the Guns and do a complete overhaul of the naval designer to justify it continuing to be DLC-locked is probably one of the lamest predictions I could ever make - but I don't exactly want PDX needing to deal with the contingent of the community who insist on being able to turn designers off, same would probably happen with Espionage system

(although yes pls don't keep other naval mechanics locked behind DLC)

Immediate flaw is that you can't get people to re-buy for a system they already bought a DLC for-

[hushed swan]

inb4 it is integrated and we still don't fully understand how navy works

[drifting star]

Navy what’s that ?

[thick edge]

Real

[brittle venture]

WTT added germany

[fallen zenith]

It also added china

And warlords

[brittle venture]

It gave them a tree

They were already there

[left linden]

did paradox remove presets from the game with the new update

why do i only have presets for like 2 ships even with everything researched

[remote sleet]

i want old hitler portrait!

[left linden]

i wanna know why they removed all the presets

even the old versions of the game dont have them anymore

[hollow coral]

Theres probably a mod for it

Also portrait modding is relatively easy

[fresh cedar]

German rework confirmed? 😳

[hollow coral]

WHAT

[fresh cedar]

There’s a mod that mixes the new and old together so Hitler doesn’t look like Michael Scott from the office

[hollow coral]

Germany seriously needs a rework though

[fresh cedar]

Average paradox business model

Though I’d pay for an updated China/Japan. Prefer current trees by a landslide to the legacy ones.

And I bought MTG/WTT full price when they came out

[hollow coral]

Its been 7 years so i feel its justified to release a new dlc for the region

They are pretty outdated and it shows

[fresh cedar]

Especially since a new one would be way different and more content rich

Like the new system of there being spirits and focuses for land, sea and air

[hollow coral]

China needs army spirits

[fresh cedar]

Just hope it’s more like GDR/TOA and not GOE

[hollow coral]

I rlly like army spirits

[fresh cedar]

While many hate on TOA, its army focuses were pretty organized

Unlike India 🤮

[hollow coral]

They didnt even give iran army spirits even though they have relevant trees icons aready

[fresh cedar]

Yeah GOE was messy

[fresh cedar]

Same, makes countries feel unique

[hollow coral]

And iraqs army spirit was just “army” for a few weeks

[fresh cedar]

I remember

Which is funny bc it’s like 1 line of code to rename

[hollow coral]

They renamed it to nationial army im pretty sure

I dont know anymore cuz i changed it

[brittle venture]

The hate isnt because it was bad

Its because they copied a mod

For south america

Pretty much

[fresh cedar]

Would rather them copy mods than make GOE’s tbh

[hollow coral]

But calling toa a bad country pack is unjustified

[fresh cedar]

For me I thought Arms against tyranny and BFTB were a little worse on release

Greece is fun, but Turkey starts very late and Bulgaria is spreadsheet simulator

[hollow coral]

Anything before nsb should just be integrated

I think nsb set the standard for future dlcs

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

It genuinely did though with the army spirits

[hollow coral]

Only gripe with greece is that it got the short end of the stick

[fresh cedar]

Idk, Bulgaria can be fun but having to get all the spreadsheet levels right in decision annoys me

And Turkey literally starts 1940-1942 most games which is LAAAATE

[hollow coral]

The faction management is kind of confusing and pp wasting

[fresh cedar]

Greece can start clobbering people immediately

[fresh cedar]

Exactly

Granted can unite the Balkans

[hollow coral]

Turkey doesnt even have a real industrial tree just a focus that fives decisions that take 70-140 days for 1 or two civs

Though ig the foreign investments count too

They were probably trying to experiment with different tree types

Greece is the most straightforward

Bulgaria has some twist and turns but if you know it you can easily navigate it

And turkey has a bunch of random prerequisites for focuses that you need to read beforehand just to know how to get to it

[brittle venture]

Imo its MTG that did it first

[hollow coral]

Like how could someone figure out you need to go democratic to invite ottoman loyalists

[hollow coral]

Mtg imo set the standard for how focus trees should be but nsb set the standard for quality

We dont talk about goe

[brittle venture]

And designers

[coral drift]

The story (read the events and focus description, pleasee....) is that you made the conservative democrats to win, instead of liberal democrats

[coral drift]

How exactly the DLC giveaway events would played out?

Just participating on the thread is enough?

Uhh, unless stated otherwise, i'll take that as a yes

[spice talon]

what did germany do wih memes?

[thick edge]

They have appeared to claim Memel

[spice talon]

Oooooooooh

[crisp mountain]

im not so sure

[stable tusk]

I was gonna ping mods but apparently they were already taken care of

[fallen zenith]

Yep. Already dealt with

[crisp mountain]

wrong chat damn

[final parrot]

Snitching ain't letting ya hit 😭 🙏

[stable tusk]

Oh I'm sorry, apparently stopping people from getting scammed is a bad thing now?

[final parrot]

Was that an scam

Then yes

It was ok

[stable tusk]

Yeah, for a fake website that they said would give you money if you went to it

[violet pond]

wait sorry wrong channel

mb

[polar jasper]

Why do I have the feeling that there will be no resource update for the new Japan/China DLC...

I was kinda hoping for a stockpiling and auto trade feature

[brittle venture]

High expectations

[polar jasper]

You can already stockpile oil, why not everything else

[brittle venture]

Idk

[fallen zenith]

I'd assume its because its not something a lot of players want or need. Current trade system imo is fine as is

[thick edge]

Air stockpiles

U need mils to build air

And air to breathe

[fallen zenith]

I thought you meant planes at first

[brittle venture]

Not for japan tbh

Japan specifically starves when attacking allies

And rapidly

[timid pike]

Yo short and sexy question:

Are PAradox planning to add some feature or DLC to Hoi4 in future?

[plucky sky]

Yes

Short and sexy answer

[brittle venture]

Why wouldnt they?

[timid pike]

Yeah but i wasn't sure if they still add some DLC to HoI4 after expanison Gottverdämmung

[brittle venture]

Again why would they not?

The game isnt just germany

[timid pike]

Yeah i know

[solid gyro]

whats the newest hoi4 update?

[hollow lion]

1.16.8

[fresh cedar]

Seems like a lot of micro

[fresh cedar]

It’s a world War game and the pacific/North Africa theaters are basically untouched. Lots of content to go

[sonic stratus]

What are yalls predictions?

[still sapphire]

They added a way to build tanks

[polar jasper]

Not if there is an auto trade feature

I mostly want a stockpile mechanic so I can horde a lot of resources and then go to war with a resource I lack in without suffering penalties initially

[polar jasper]

Huh?

[fading walrus]

Japan, China Communist China, Manchuko, Warlords

[brittle venture]

Idk but i hope it doesnt break the ethiopia exile path

[polar jasper]

At the current moment, it just seems to be Waking the Tiger 2

Maybe content for Siam and Dutch East Indies

[thick edge]

This one will be called waking the dragon

[polar jasper]

Who knows, maybe it is a new island hopping mechanic

It's new

Or they borrow the "State of the Pacific" mechanic from TFB and make it their own

[thick edge]

Remind me of that again

Is that the national spirit with islands

More islands u own better buffs u get

[polar jasper]

Japan gets massive core defense and attack bonuses of they own islands

I also believe it weakens the Allies economy

[thick edge]

Ohh

[polar jasper]

So the Allies have to island hop and control islands to get the buffs instead

And weaken Japan in the process

[thick edge]

Yippee

[gilded ocean]

The Soviets definitely don’t need a rework

They have a very modern focus tree

[polar jasper]

Man the Guns 2 with a France update possibly

With that the game would be up to date as Soviet tree is still good

So we got Waking the Tiger 2 with a Japan China update

Then there might be a US, UK, Commonwealth rework

So Together for Victory/Man the Guns 2

France might get a touch up one day

[solid gyro]

Yes

[swift oak]

Japan rework? You're delusional, take him.

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-anatoly-dyatlov-delusional-gif-14336594

[brittle venture]

#hearts-of-iron-news

[swift oak]

Im sorry, I don't see anything about it?

[brittle venture]

Last message

Click link

[lapis dragon]

Read the links on the post

[brittle venture]

The pdx print

[swift oak]

Yeah yeah, I see

imo, doesn't elaborate on much, but yeah its pretty plausible it might happen

[brittle venture]

Direct quote; 'It will come as little surprise that South/East Asia is next, with content primarily focused on Japan and China, and mechanics to support this narrative, as well as reinvigorating the Pacific war. I don’t want to go into too many specifics here (tune in next time for more!), but the war in and around Asia as well as the Pacific has been left behind by our recent developments directed at the European elements of the conflict. '

[swift oak]

Shit, looks like I didn't scroll all the way down lmao

[drifting star]

We need a focus called you are the ammo

For Japan

Also maybe a scizo Japanese caliphate path called it realize abdulhamid’s fear

[waxen olive]

Please no

[hollow lion]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[drifting star]

Yes

It’s more likely than post war content

[waxen olive]

We don’t need non Arab caliphate paths

[drifting star]

For memes yes

[hollow coral]

Too memey

A more plausible tree would be

Historical fascist
.taisei yokunsankai - strike sputh and create pan asian sphere

semi historical
.kodoha (they were pretty fascist too) strike north (maybe at some point to liberate colonies in the pacific

Monarchist
.empower the royal family and create pan asian sphere by reaching out to other royal families to create uprisings (still thinking about it)

Democratic
.maybe something like play tall and an eu mechanic where you unite asia

Communist
Create uprisings in colonies to create pan asia ig

A lot of pan asianism but that was pretty much the goal for japan

[cosmic falcon]

Do you think we will get French Indochina as a playable country like the Belgian Congo?

[hollow coral]

maybe

[cosmic falcon]

So basically Waking the Tiger?

[hollow coral]

Thats what they are pretty much planning

Japan and china dlc and southeast asia countrypack is probably what they are going to do

[cosmic falcon]

I hope they add content for Siam, the Philippines, Dutch East Indies and British Malaya.

[hollow coral]

Definitely will happen

[mint steppe]

Devs add a USA focus tree the vanilla one is trash

And stop charging 15 dollars for something u should have released for free with the main game

[coral drift]

Japan + Southeast Asia

[thick edge]

Thank you

[kindred coral]

Japan, Australia+NZ, Indonesia, Siam, Malaya, and Luxembourg

[polar jasper]

Is there a non X'd version of this lol

Also mark off G1 as #ask-for-help-here always does this

[stable tusk]

CK3 MP but I think this still counts for G5
(Also why are there two free spaces???)
#off-topic message

[radiant imp]

why is paradrop light recon better than normal light recon

im look at number but no see difference

[brittle venture]

Where empty bingo

[hollow coral]

Also usa isnt getting a dlc for now

They only said pacific not usa specifically

[drifting pebble]

Does anyone know how to build a good raiding fleet as germany

[brittle venture]

Surface?

[wise oxide]

its d day today

[drifting pebble]

No sub

[fallen zenith]

Just build submarines. Give them as many torps as possible. Thats it

[thick edge]

Omg this image isn’t sending

[thick edge]

@brittle venture

[sacred solstice]

What would count as a "edgy" pfp?

[thick edge]

Hitler

TNO

[sacred solstice]

Darn

😔

[thick edge]

anything that is close to breaking the rules but not quite there

[sacred solstice]

What if mine is a gif😔

[thick edge]

And TNO is just TNO

so yeah

[thick edge]

Idk

[sacred solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/taboritsky-таборитский-gif-1816478229686571030

[digital pumice]

actually its turkish

[digital pumice]

i've already seen more than half of these just in #ask-for-help-here

[brittle venture]

great chat

[waxen olive]

Bro never heard of the rashidun caliphate

[digital pumice]

he was talking about a schizo path called abdulhamid's fear

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Hamid_II

[trim quartz]

Abdulhamid my beloved

[hearty blade]

muslim japan would be funny

im still waiting for embrace feudalism japan

[brittle venture]

Regressionist japan

[cosmic stag]

hello

we need a new expansion/dlc that adds these NEW REAL LIFE units and templates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_organization#Army

[polar jasper]

Just turn on NATO symbols

[cosmic stag]

alr

[polar jasper]

And manually design templates to be accurate

[thick edge]

NEW real life?

[polar jasper]

I think it is an upgrade

Maybe it's the new Sims game

But for us

[wraith prawn]

1 - this isn't where you contact devs
2 - USA focus tree will probably be reworked at some point but was last updated during Man The Guns DLC (which isn't the oldest) and is quite okayish
3 - the DLC policy on hoi (and a lot of other prdx games tbf) isn't going to change, not since they keep getting money from it

[drifting star]

We need a focus like with Iran called the true caliphs with war goals against Turkey if they brought the ottomans back

[fading walrus]

Can I steal this

[thick edge]

Idc

[coral drift]

Just played non-GtD Kaiserreich Germany and the civil war is now more engaging, holy mackarel.

I sparked it on November 1936 (after helping Franco secure his victory and researching Armored Engineering Vehicle first), the civwar ended in November 1937. Now that's a real game.

Like, man, the game session makes me tired as hell. I need a freaking rest.

[hollow lion]

what

The AI is smarter but its just as easy regardless in my experience

[hollow coral]

Never💀

[coral drift]

To be honest i haven't played HoI4 much outside of modding for EIR since July 2024.

Most likely i'm just getting a bit rusty.

Got encircled twice, once in Spain (one of my tank div even) and once (a landsturmregiment) during the civwar.

[cosmic falcon]

What's your predictions on when the next DLC releases?

[coral drift]

Sukarno got relegated to fascism outside of the Japanese Occupation branch even though he is an antifa IRL.

[proper dune]

Sicily was under Islam control for 2 centuries so yeah It's not that bad

[cosmic falcon]

I mean what is your predictions on what date the DLC will release.

[proper dune]

Maybe the middle of 2026

[fallen zenith]

Nah

[harsh hull]

Damn, next DLC delayed until 2027

That's wild

[crisp nymph]

TNO REFERENCE

[drifting star]

Verify your clocks

The regent endures

[crisp nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/tno-taboritsky-funny-clock-man-gif-15681697872229711599

[solid gyro]

Tf

[subtle gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/alexei-tno-russian-monarchy-family-tree-gif-27542179

[wooden wyvern]

I dont think theyll rework two majors

Usa will prob come with a canada aussie and nz rework and whatever other mechanics

[hollow coral]

you forgot mtg existed

[fresh cedar]

Allies would hopefully be their own I agree

Though TBH Australia and USA were a huge part of the Pacific war

[wooden wyvern]

Well pacific war was defined by usa involvement

[dense sapphire]

alexei lives btw

[wooden wyvern]

Also india as well but they just got a rework

[fresh cedar]

Think India got its update for that. That’s why they have a song about the Japanese invading

And events related to the war in Burma

[wooden wyvern]

Ye ye

Idk how much you could do for sea nations for focuses tho

Siam def could do a lot

But idk abt any others

Maybe indochina

But i cant think of that many ideas for dei or philipines

[drifting star]

Thank you for removing the scam

[stable mica]

Do we know if the rework of Japan will also include a rework of China?

[brittle venture]

Yes it will

They said something like japan/china/south east asia

Maybe not china specifically i kinda forgot

[hollow coral]

yeh they said that

[brittle venture]

#hearts-of-iron-news

[hasty lark]

How do I enter tournaments?

[stable tusk]

They said the next one is definitely Japan, China, and Southeast Asia

Well with the dev corners it probably won't just be focus trees, most likely new mechanics as well

Maybe, we're going to have to wait for the dev corners

[wooden wyvern]

i think probably a rework for island and naval warfare mechanics in general

so the pacific war can function more historically

i wonder if theyre gonna figure out a way to pearl harbor into the game

[polar jasper]

They already have Tora Tora Tora which gives 100% more damage to port strike

There is also the coordinated strike spy mission

If the devs can find a way to make it better to have multiple task forces, that would be nice

[stable tusk]

Apparently there was an idea to add Pearl Harbour, but then they realized most players would just, move their fleets away from Hawaii

[wooden wyvern]

Yea thats the problem

Multiplayer like

Wouldnt work

[wooden wyvern]

Yea but i mean like

A real event

[brittle venture]

Ewww

[polar jasper]

You telling me navies always deathstacked their navy?

[brittle venture]

ww1

[polar jasper]

Fair, but my Taffy 3

I want multiple carrier task forces

[brittle venture]

I hate fun

We should have less IC

[polar jasper]

When you have 500 ships in 1 battle and are supposed to somehow shoot the enemy navy without shooting your own ships

Also wouldn't needing multiple smaller task forces help minors who don't have 200 ships at game start

[wooden wyvern]

Hoi4 is abt ww2 tho

[brittle venture]

What is that?

[devout mesa]

What I was hoping they would add would be a way to peace out with the allies after taking most of the colonial possessions and destroying most of the enemy navy. It would make more historical sense to simply have a partial defeat of the colonial powers instead of being stuck perpetually at war until you capitulate the US and Britain, even if you've inflicted irreparable damage to them.

[wooden wyvern]

When would the peace trigger tho

Like just hawaii and se asia?

Or would you need australia, nz, india, etc as well

[dense gale]

The whole pacific theater

Is a death stack battle 😂

[hollow coral]

kinda looks like a mod

does it change when you zoom in?

i dont think there was any patches recently

but i wouldnt know cuz i play with a map mod on

[brittle venture]

Thats modded

The japanese flag too

Thats just not vanilla

Its not vanilla

Thats all

Idk what you did

But its at least changed

#tech-support maybe? I cant rlly help

Ah they do that

When they rise up against japan their other wars dont end

[fresh cedar]

Maybe it’s some weird graphics settings

[hollow coral]

Could be

[wooden wyvern]

what battl ei sthis

[lofty chasm]

portugal colonial war

[brittle venture]

Angola

[drifting pebble]

When world tension get too high

[hearty blade]

is that MPLA from DEATH TO THE MPLA

[vast ice]

https://tenor.com/view/mpla-gif-19924809

[outer whale]

peak paradox gaming

[woven aspen]

Jonas savimbi

[strong grail]

Bruh where are the prototype vehicle models supposed to be used

theyre not showing in tank designer or division designer

???

[brittle venture]

Its only available for certain tank chassis' (and nation locked for a lot)

[strong grail]

so do i not get any as ussr

ive been looking through a lot of chassis and i havent found any

[brittle venture]

I dont remember

You only get a few tho

And some are spgs and stuff

[strong grail]

why arent they labelled tho

i guess the smk is heavy tank #3?

[brittle venture]

Yeah

Model packs are rich people stuff anyway

[dense gale]

win them from challeneges 😂

my issue with unit packs are u barely see the skins anyway

especially fpt the air

[brittle venture]

Yeah

Theyre neat but thats it

[cold gale]

tbh would like to see a time where hoi4 supports 2k monitors so the GUI don't look so small (ik there's dpi scaling and allat but it would be cool)

[dense gale]

why tho the ui scaling works perfectly fine on my 1440p monitor

[wooden wyvern]

tspmo

[final parrot]

U pmo

[wooden wyvern]

(edited) 😭

[final parrot]

Hell u mean vru

How is it even sum bad

🥀

[wooden wyvern]

"vru" smh my head 🥀

[final parrot]

@plain pawn Humble and obliterate this individual with intelligence deficit

[wooden wyvern]

oh lord save me 💔

[rain thunder]

did the roadmap screenshot change 🤔

also changable keybinds WHEN

[brittle venture]

I brought it up to chak once i think, not planned lol

[rain thunder]

the FM frontlne/area defend order exploit should also be base line command

[brittle venture]

Not exploit

Was confirmed to be mechanics

[rain thunder]

thats besides the point

[brittle venture]

ehhh

If it got officially added then no 72 div general cap :(

Depression for mostly finland

[rain thunder]

it would be an extremely simple change, one button to toggle "automatic movement of troops along the frontline" or something

[outer whale]

Lol if germany manages to puppet poland they can establish the general government with also allowing Poland to exist at its belarussian lands

So never play the path of German puppet

[brittle venture]

Leopard eating face

[digital pumice]

new stuff looks really interesting

[barren tusk]

Not bad dev diary

I suppose this is the biggest change for the end of the year dlc update

[quasi harbor]

Promising mechanics

I think i speak for everyone when i say faction nonsense like Guatemala joining the Chinese United Front, or Communist China joining the Axis in a War against Fascist Japan, are some of the most in game frustrating things

[hollow coral]

I dont know of they said it in the post but i think fronts shouldnt just be stacked with units from all countries it should be region specific for ai. Eg turkey is part of the axis and only fight in the middle east or caucuses. Ai shouldnt just spam in random places but closer to their core land

[barren tusk]

The thing is making rules to join it was almost the same as reject or accept the request of joining the faction

Now you don't have much poop outs

Would be cool a rule of (only countries with same ethnic)

[nimble torrent]

and they might disappear now thankfully! so long as the ai is properly coded...

[hollow coral]

That would take time to implement just giving each country an ethnic group not to mention other ethnic groups in the country

[nimble torrent]

it can be approximated with continents, i'm sure that alone would do wonders

[fresh cedar]

Genuinely good updates to factions though

[digital pumice]

agreed, but it all depends on how well the mechanics actually work

[brittle venture]

Its fantastic

[fresh cedar]

Can direct AI to areas. Limit who joins so countries don’t join random factions and destroy the flow of the game. Collaborate better

[brittle venture]

Im glad they share this stuff early

[fresh cedar]

The fact that factions can be more limited now is really nice tbh

[digital pumice]

paradox has a history of adding mechanics that had huge potential but end being used by no one

[brittle venture]

Because now players can give insight on how it can/should work

[digital pumice]

because of how they implement it

[fresh cedar]

I shouldn’t be worried about getting pulled into a world war in China as they won’t be able to join other factions

[brittle venture]

back in the days of lar/mtg the mechanics were integrated quite nicely i think

Because they shared progress so early

[digital pumice]

agreed

hopefulyl we see something similar

[brittle venture]

And that was with a smaller community pool to work with

[digital pumice]

because this could be game changing

[signal eagle]

Is anybody in the TNO server, idk what does "r8" mean (i didnt do anything)

[brittle venture]

I feel like, if they do development like this again, it could be fantastic

[fresh cedar]

One thing I’m worried about is special project joint efforts

[brittle venture]

Rule 8

[brittle venture]

No its just programmer art

[signal eagle]

huh, i just asked for a tip this morning

[brittle venture]

Itll be different

[signal eagle]

wtf

[fresh cedar]

Will special projects be researched way quicker now? Will special projects maybe become harder to research since factions can focus them

[digital pumice]

their servers moderation is really weird

[brittle venture]

No itll be seperate

[signal eagle]

bruh

[brittle venture]

This is all just temporary art

[digital pumice]

but this is not the channel to discuss it

[brittle venture]

Probably pasted onto the projects screen

[fresh cedar]

No, they said factions will be able to have joint special project efforts

See the bottom

[brittle venture]

Yes but not the same as special projects

Think tech sharing

How useless it is rn

[digital pumice]

well it says special projects

[brittle venture]

How good it was when research was just -% from 100%

[digital pumice]

on the 1st screenshot

[fresh cedar]

Ah that would make sense if it was tech sharing but I kinda got the vibe it’s also special projects

[brittle venture]

Its probably a bit of a mix idk

[digital pumice]

yeah

[brittle venture]

But dont assume anything from the art

[digital pumice]

thats what im getting

there is also the naval facility icon

[fresh cedar]

It said it was the new faction screen

So could be either tbh

[digital pumice]

and it looks like members of the faction can participate through assigning scientists

[fresh cedar]

I wouldn’t mind joint special projects but if that becomes the case then maybe special projects should become slightly harder for the individual

Bc otherwise factions would research every project pretty quickly

[fresh cedar]

“Name of project type” and “name of ongoing research”

Think the first may legit be a collab SP

[fresh cedar]

Should be better than it is at-least. More room to limit how wide scale wars get and clearer goals for AI

[sterile robin]

No more Argentina joining the Finnish Supremacy League!

Just today I had Italy create "The Italian League", get Turkey to join and then immediately leave to join "The Free States of Europe", so these faction mechanics are long overdue 💯

[brittle venture]

The main issue i see is player / random created factions

Theyd need to have a way to state their purpose

Preferably streamlined

[sterile robin]

I thought the diary said you can kinda "set" your purpose and set rules, unless I misunderstood?

[brittle venture]

I didnt read and memorize everything very deeply

I mean i read it

But yk

[sterile robin]

I'm assuming there's gonna be like some presets that you can mix and match

Maybe some unique ones for the majors

[brittle venture]

I wonder how this will work with the most cursed faction in the game

The stresa front

[sterile robin]

Oooh yeah... I'm assuming there's only geographical rules for that probably

You can tell that Africa rule is for those Ethiopian factions

[brittle venture]

China joined the african union

The US has become faction leader of the african union

[sterile robin]

I remember recently a video saying Diplomacy doesn't matter in HOI4, this seems like a step in the right direction to fix that

... do we ping the mods for spam messages?

[sterile robin]

Some of the factions especially with country or continent names (Finnish Supremacy League, Italian League, Balkan League, African Union) could really use those geographical rules ngl

[brittle venture]

Cameroon became faction leader of a faction started by cambodia once in my game

[sterile robin]

Once that world tension reaches 100% its basically Westeros

[brittle venture]

Cameroon 1 state nation

[sterile robin]

All in all it seems like this is a mechanic that a lot of people will use a lot more than say the tank designer or something

[brittle venture]

Tbf ahist in general is like a wild world

Which would benefit from faction deletion/debloat a lot

[sterile robin]

It really really is
I've seen Austria form Austria Hungary (just puppeting neighbours) and take out Germany and Italy, and hold out against France and Britain...

Also I hope they remove the useless "X joined faction" news events or make them minor/diplomatic events... because I am tired of the Chinese United Front.

Yes yes we get it, YUNNAN joined China, big difference

[brittle venture]

Its important imo

[sterile robin]

Yeah but make it like those diplomatic events now

Just a little box on the side right, instead of a screen covering newspaper

[polar jasper]

Those joined faction notifications are already bottom right

Which makes me not realize someone joined a faction and I'm getting invaded from a new flank

[sterile robin]

iirc someone creating a faction and someone joining a faction are both news events?

[brittle venture]

No

[polar jasper]

No

[brittle venture]

Old

[sterile robin]

Like "The Dawn of x" and "x joined y"

[brittle venture]

Old person

[polar jasper]

Who creates new factions like that

Besides China

[sterile robin]

When the soviets fall into civil way they almost always create the european combine or something like that

4th international by trotsky

[polar jasper]

Who plays alt hist

Well many

[sterile robin]

Yea but they are all news events right?

[brittle venture]

Most ppl tbh

[polar jasper]

But that is the creation of a whole new faction

That's a major event

[brittle venture]

Most people play ahist but theyre also not serious about the game

[polar jasper]

Romania joining Axis is relegated to the bottom right

[brittle venture]

So dont get much yt popularity/come here often for advice

Regardless, majority of people

[sterile robin]

If we are in the axis only right? Because if we are someone else AI romania joining the axis is a news event?

istg I played today morning

[polar jasper]

US joining allies is bottom right

I was playing Poland and I didn't notice Romania joined Axis

[sterile robin]

Chinese United Front definitely has all news events right, for each warlord?

[polar jasper]

Because it was relegated bottom right

[polar jasper]

Yes

[sterile robin]

The decision says "The war escalates..."

[polar jasper]

But I said besides China

[sterile robin]

I swear I've seen "Legionary Romania joins Axis"

[polar jasper]

Before the change probably

[sterile robin]

Maybe its just for like those situations where they take a focus to join?

[polar jasper]

Yeah probably

France joins Britain is one

Since that takes a focus

[sterile robin]

I'll play a game later and confirm this because I feel like this is a Mandela effect right now

[polar jasper]

US joins Allies is not through a focus

So they don't get a news event

[brittle venture]

Update ur game

[sterile robin]

Yea that makes sense

[sterile robin]

Was the change that recent?

[polar jasper]

Anglo-Polish alliance rarely happens but sometimes shows when Poland joins the UK via focus

[sterile robin]

Because I have everything till GoE

[brittle venture]

Yes its pretty recent

[sterile robin]

Yeah that does make sense

[brittle venture]

Just update you dont need dlcs

[sterile robin]

Alright cool, I'll update the game and see

[polar jasper]

Was it AAT or ToA that changed notifications?

[brittle venture]

It was like gdr

Or toa

[fresh cedar]

Exactly, that’s what they have planned so far. Can’t limit by ideology, region, and war status .

[sterile robin]

If you're talking about how some notifications are on the right side now, like lend lease, I already have that

But I think it was just focus joining factions that create news events

[fresh cedar]

I wanna say TOA started it and GDR improved upon it

[polar jasper]

I'm trying to think about post war factions

[fresh cedar]

What’s really nice about these changes is that GOE and Asia should really be able to do their own thing now.

[polar jasper]

Will allies just dissolve into NATO and be a purely defensive alliance?

[fresh cedar]

Optimally but maybe not, it sounds like eventually factions may set out to eliminate ideologies

[brittle venture]

Well in game allies are protecting democracy

[fresh cedar]

I could see NATO go commie hunting

[brittle venture]

So NATO would be reorganizing into anti communism

[fresh cedar]

I imagine so

[brittle venture]

And kicking all non willing nations

[polar jasper]

Well NATO pursued containment. Hope this means a send volunteer bonus or something

[fresh cedar]

Wonder how the Monroe Doctrine and TOA will interact with the new factions

[brittle venture]

I believe

That democratic nations could be fun

[fresh cedar]

I imagine it would be through volunteers and equipment as opposed to direct conflict I agree

[brittle venture]

If they were always allowed to send lend lease and vols

But because they arent, they suck

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if MAD will be represented end game

[polar jasper]

NATO faction goal thing:

Prevent further countries from falling to communism

Send volunteers to countries fighting communist countries

Lend lease to countries fighting communist countries

[fresh cedar]

Like if nukes present, AI factions/nations will avoid direct conflict and resort to border wars/volunteers

[fresh cedar]

Probably yeah

[polar jasper]

Then for rule sets it would be a lower lend lease and send volunteers tension limit and no communists

[brittle venture]

Fascists allowed tho wink wink

[polar jasper]

Now what they need is for a cost reduction in coups against communist countries or those buddying up with the Soviets

[sterile robin]

Yea now I can see how this fits with their stated aim of making HOI4 go beyond WW2

[brittle venture]

Also liberating countries goal for either NATO or warsaw pact

Decolonizing

[fresh cedar]

Saw one condition for factions where it said “only countries in Africa”

Interesting to have continent locked factions

[stable tusk]

Ig makes sense
African Union should only be in Africa, Greater East Asian Coprosperity Sphere should only be in Asia

[dusk mist]

Wow

[stable tusk]

?

[dusk mist]

Nothing just crazy ideas here

[fresh cedar]

Really nice that China, and Africa will have more limited wars. Logically South America and Middleast too

Wonder if the middleast will be its own region or just a part of Asia

[brittle venture]

Theres already continents in the game

Theyre just not used much

Its where your generic new officer to general corps originates

[fresh cedar]

Are there? There’s like air regions, states. But the game could lowkey use a continent map mode

[brittle venture]

Theres no map mode but its in the game yes

[fresh cedar]

Ik what you’re talking about with officers and spies though

Wonder how that’ll interact with factions

Logically they’d have to better define it

[brittle venture]

Comment on the forum

Below the corner post

[stable tusk]

Middle East is considered it's own continent for some reason

[brittle venture]

I mean genetically for leaders it kinda makes sense

And also doesnt need a clear define between europe and asia then

[fresh cedar]

Alright just did

[brittle venture]

Not because i care deeply either way its just where the devs look

:p

[fresh cedar]

Really could use that clear map distinction bc it’s extremely confusing to find out where Asia begins and the Middleast ends

Same with Notth America tbh

[brittle venture]

Turkiye/afghanistan

India is also a continent

[fresh cedar]

Feel like those should be considered regions not continents. Though again, would be weird to have GOE siding with Japan apart from India

[brittle venture]

Again

Continents rn only exist for leader pool

Theres no reason to make them regions

[fresh cedar]

Spies too

And now factions

[brittle venture]

Spies are leaders

[fresh cedar]

I’d really consider spies their own thing imo but I get what you mean

Wish spies had slightly more depth like generals with traits. Instead of the mostly random and just lvl 2 max

[brittle venture]

Its not opinion its game code lol

[fresh cedar]

Are they not separate decisions?

[brittle venture]

Theyre seperate

But fall under leaders iirc

[fresh cedar]

Can’t say I’ve ever really used it apart from end game just to blow the excess political and command power I have

[dark sail]

this update make sense if game will take longer, paradox you just add new mechanic who people will use for fun or first time {only this with ai is finally good} paradox just make more events and playable gameplay to 1970 then players will probably use all mechanics in game {yes even navy}

[brittle venture]

People already play longer, just not you 👀

[dark sail]

bro i can play to 2000 just my pc is too slow sadly

[brittle venture]

Happens tbh

The game gets laggy because of equipment types

I wish theyd fix it by making techs more universal and less every nation has 20 types

[dark sail]

oh, i was think its about devison mostly

[dark sail]

fr but who playing romania research navy?

paradox just should add more ways to do roleplays without toolpack and your brain

but its just my opinion

[brittle venture]

No, its the calculations of equipment types to divisions

Which increases with div count sure, but its mostly the equipment

[next hill]

@magic bone ???

[worldly sky]

when do yall think that the factions update coming out, and will it be part of a dlc?

[hollow coral]

Would probably part of a dlc release

But they will probably do something like make the feature accessible to everyone but with extra features for dlc owners maybe?

[digital pumice]

From the millenium dawn update

We really need a similar mechanic in vanilla to prevent wars lasting forever

The way md implemented is almost exactly how i envisioned it

something similar to the way eu4 does it

[harsh hull]

Faction goal: Reform Romam Empire
France, Spain, Yugoslavia, and Greece, who were in my faction before I set that goal: "Reform what now?"

[burnt sail]

I agree

[cold gale]

LOL

Ngl would be funnier if you said “Italy, Greece, and Russia”

[dark sail]

ngl with this dlc they probably give new focus tree for china and japan becouse of this 2 faction, china fraction goal is "defence from japan" and japan goal is to dominate east asia"

but i swear if they add to balkan this new dlc...

[hollow coral]

Why would you assume anything balkan related would be added

[dark sail]

litlle entente

[brittle venture]

They wont

Its south east asia

[dark sail]

i hope so but we cant know noting about paradox

[brittle venture]

Theyve already said it

This update just wont be about europe

[dark sail]

they said that?

[brittle venture]

#hearts-of-iron-news look at the roadmap

Its gonna be south east asia is what they said

[dark sail]

then sorry im not look much in it

[brittle venture]

Ofc they wont add anything in europe

[dark sail]

micronation xd

[hollow coral]

Little entente dlc would go hard though icl

Just not rn

[dark sail]

imo they should do hoi5 rn

[hollow coral]

Just add little entente as a starting faction and make them dissolve in 38 if they go historical route

[dark sail]

FR

but they add too much mechanics for hoi4

they really should do hoi5 with new engine

[hollow coral]

My fear is that it will just be too barebones and all the progress would just restart

[dark sail]

or really new engine for hoi4

[dark sail]

yeah thats true

[hollow coral]

Hoi4 is still making big bucks rn so hoi5 is not coming soon

[dark sail]

ik they have to add focus tree to evry single nation

even for slovakia

[hollow coral]

Releasable trees when?

[dark sail]

idk

[brittle venture]

It wont be within the next 5 years minimum

Theyll tell us if they start devving it

[digital pumice]

@brittle venture what do you think of this

[brittle venture]

We'll see

[digital pumice]

well it has already been updated in millenium dawn

and its working pretty well

[brittle venture]

Millennium dawn also lets you do military raids at peace

[digital pumice]

which is another cool mechanic

[brittle venture]

And while i think thats fun, just like white peace can be, it likely wont be added to vanilla the same way because its kinda busted xD

[digital pumice]

why do you think that

[brittle venture]

The issue with limited wars is that, it needs to not peace out ww2 after the fall of france/poland

[digital pumice]

it would solve a lot of the games problems

[brittle venture]

Because the game wants to force you to go to war

[digital pumice]

that is true, but i'm sure there will be a way around that problem

[brittle venture]

Since its a war simulator

For development; a lot of translations and general testing is needed

[digital pumice]

but it doesnt really make sense to fight half of the world for 1 or 2 claimed states

[brittle venture]

And time for it to be compatible with devices and performance

[digital pumice]

and having to capitulate every single major

[brittle venture]

Im patient, i think it could be good

But at the same time cannot be implemented the same way

Therefore we will see

[digital pumice]

i can still see it used in a way in the context of ww2

for example the us peacing with germany

if you land in the uk

[brittle venture]

Yes

[digital pumice]

pair it with the coming faction mechanics

and a lot of the games problems are solved

no more silliness

[fresh cedar]

For real, factions should fix the majority of insanity

[prisma orchid]

Can the next update make the soviet union AI and china AI less braindead? Please.

[fresh cedar]

Late game Soviet Union is pretty scary

[prisma orchid]

I was doing iceland achievements(i got 2 of 3 right now) as communist iceland. They lost hard to the germans and i had to hold with puppeted japan/iceland mixed troops from 1941 to 1944 because anytime i didn't intervene, they got capped and i lost(i would just use the save folder files and copy/paste them and reload when stuff went wrong). And also this was an issue due to china united front... Communist china joined us and cause a perpetual war between the soviets and china, in which case.... it never stopped.

USA never joined the allies because i took out japan, allies eventually pulled in turkey and argentina and swept through vichy france, italy, and germany. I held the stalin line with some soviet troops all while teetering on the integrated/normal puppet line with japan. Post war? I got more puppets to convert into manpower and the soviets lost 15mil+ troops to china, never winning. Eventually communist china attacked france and caused the entire comitern to basically crumble.

So no, i don't think late game soviets are scary in some situations. They suck at fighting germany early, and they suck at fighting ANYONE in the south and east side of their country

You can literally naval invade anywhere on their east coast, set up a naval base, and gradually take out their country

The ai needs to learn how to build supply lines

[fresh cedar]

It’s bc they don’t build supply

I think they may just need more focuses for it. Or the game needs a better system to do it

[icy nimbus]

So, is there gonna be a new DLC?

[fresh cedar]

Yes a major DLC

Comparable to Gotterdamerung

With probably a country pack for Southeast Asia/oceania

Split within an expansion pass

If I had to guess

[astral pewter]

So I was right

[dire trail]

Gang when is the faction update coming out?

[brittle venture]

future

[tulip dagger]

Soon (tm)

[fresh cedar]

I’d guess August at the earliest but probably like September/november

[stoic moat]

i hope they make china harder because its way to easy imo

[stable tusk]

Eventually

[fresh cedar]

Considering the debuffs India starts with I have a feeling China will get the same treatment

[fallen zenith]

Soon™️
(Its not announced yet)

[fallen zenith]

China already has some harsh debuffs to start with atm. -30% attack and defense is pretty brutal.

[brittle venture]

It was announced but to be in development

[fresh cedar]

I imagine they’ll also have manpower and factory output ones tbh

[brittle venture]

They already have a manpower one

[fresh cedar]

Just not comparable to like the -98% that India starts with

[brittle venture]

India is meant to be "non core"

China is all core

[fresh cedar]

Currently yeah

[brittle venture]

No just in general

Theyll probably get off map warlords added in regions

[fresh cedar]

As was India lol. I could see them relating that

[brittle venture]

With decisions and cooldowns

And micro hell

[fallen zenith]

Possibly yes. They've started to make a lot of debuffs way harsher which can be fun

[fresh cedar]

Yeah bet warlords will start as noncore but can be integrated

[brittle venture]

China will not be fun

Its gonna be a lot of micro no chill gameplay like now

Micro of tree and decisions*

[fresh cedar]

The prospect of a really good PRC and Qing tree makes me happy

[brittle venture]

No not that

But the warlords in the east

On the coast and stuff

And the army in sinkiang i forgot their name

Will prob be decisions instead of full nations

[fresh cedar]

Sinkiang, and Xebei really should be split too

[brittle venture]

That could rise up

But arent there at game start

[fresh cedar]

All I know is if China can’t core Tibet, their player base will freak tf out

[brittle venture]

Id freak out

I hope they keep sinkiang as the strongest china

Or add ways for xibei to be a turkic state or whatever

Or shanxi to be mongol

[fresh cedar]

Sinkiang gets Mongol Empire route

[brittle venture]

Yunnan and guanxi idk

[brittle venture]

No

Sinkiang is turkic too

[fresh cedar]

Yes

[brittle venture]

Just a different type

Xibei is more uhh

Turkey turkic

[fresh cedar]

Would just be nice if warlords were remotely unique

[brittle venture]

Like sinkiang fr

Sinkiang rn is remotely unique

[fresh cedar]

From decisions nothing else 😂

Their trees are so bland

They feel about as different as M&M colors impact flavor

[brittle venture]

No

Not just that

They are the only warlord who, when they do the opposition tree, get the communist tree

[fresh cedar]

Still a Mega baby generic tree

Like war efforts helped them a little

[brittle venture]

Not generic, just old