latest-updates

[hollow coral]

AHHHH i just wanted liechtenstein

What is hethr trying to type💀

[pseudo wing]

I do not know, but if it continues the conversation I will not like it.

[wary geyser]

i want the Grand Duchy of Fenwick

[sharp mantle]

can someone mute this guy please

[neat crystal]

#ask-for-help-here

[hollow coral]

🇦🇱

[hollow coral]

They only post nonsense like jetpacks

[obtuse ingot]

Jetpacks were an actual thing during the time period

[sharp mantle]

why should they get added to hoi4

[wary geyser]

it's a fictional country from the movie The Mouse That Roared

[sharp mantle]

youre literally just saying sh!t for the love of the game

[hollow coral]

Sorry im not a movie connoissuer😅

[obtuse ingot]

By that logic, Why would Project Habbukuk be added?

[hollow coral]

Its not

[stable tusk]

It is, in the special projects
Fun Fact: Habbukuk could've actually worked, but the British cancelled it because the Portuguese leased them the Azores

[hollow coral]

I just find a pykrete ship unbelievable

[stable tusk]

But what would they do for the game? Early Jetpacks couldn't fly too far, they were designed to get over obstacles quickly

[pine blaze]

nah, they realized that the amount of steel itd cost to build a facility needed to refrigerate the pykrete would actually be more than the amount of steel to just build the aircraft carrier

[obtuse ingot]

Iirc the mythbusters tested it

https://youtu.be/UMKis4FPykw?si=_-8i3WmLzSbcxAJD

I miss mythbusters… and Junkyard Wars

[harsh hull]

Damn thee Apollo, and your gift of oracle

What can mere man do with such power

Hopefully the Democratic path will let us form the Bundeskommisariats as well

[sharp mantle]

german commie east indies volkskomissariat

[harsh hull]

Red Germany capping France and renaming the Indochinese Union to the Union of Indochina:

[sharp mantle]

wait are we getting indochina as a french puppet

[harsh hull]

Someday, hopefully

Gotta wait for that fabled Southeast Asia DLC

[sharp mantle]

inshallah we will be getting a dutch east indies focus tree and japan rework

[obtuse ingot]

I think they’ll probably do the entire season of France.

One DLC for SEA, Madagascar, Japan area … navy rework

Second DLC would touch on Syria, French Africa

[stable tusk]

I still think a French colony centred DLC would be kinda dumb
It would be minimal content for all the trees because none of the colonies had anything going on that could let you make a full DLC out of them (except for Indochina ig)

[obtuse ingot]

Not a DLC… a season theme… an overarching thread tying the season of multiple DLCs together

[stable tusk]

So like an expansion pass? But they have a theme? Still see above
If you got rid of Madagascar and did a SEA and Japan rework, that makes sense, maybe some content for Mengukuo or Manchukuo, but Madagascar didn't do anything that is focus tree worthy
Syria and French Africa doesn't make too much sense considering French Africa and Syria would instantly be eaten by Free France or Vichy France

[obtuse ingot]

Madagascar was the sight of a big naval battle (could throw in Mauritius & Southern sea isles )

All of the colonies from what I read, were administered by Vichy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Madagascar

• what’s the Japanese doing all the way in Madagascar?

•the first British amphibious assault since the disastrous landings in the Dardanelles twenty-seven years before.

Want to showcase fixes to amphibious assault and naval invasions? Madagascar can be that showcase

[harsh hull]

Imagine French North Africa, French Equitorial Africa, and French West Africa being starting tags

That would go so hard

[hollow coral]

And british egypt and palestine too

Morocco and tunisia were semi independent too

[muted stump]

Julian Jackson, in his biography of de Gaulle, observed that the French had held out longer against the Allies in Madagascar in 1942 than they had against the Germans in France in 1940.[46]

[kindred beacon]

I hope that it will be possible for every country to have a Habsburg monarchy path one day

Except Albania.

I already claimed that throne

[hollow coral]

cant wait for habsburg usa

[kindred beacon]

Every state has its own monarch

[hollow coral]

habsburg idaho🔥

[polar jasper]

Not every colony needs a tag or focus tree.

I even wonder why Congo is getting one

[hollow coral]

ig because africa is pretty empty

but not all the colonies need focus tree

[signal cargo]

I think its still too early to rework on france because of the lanresistance dlc

[hollow coral]

i see why congo is getting a focus tree

[hollow coral]

i dont see france, uk or usa rework soon

[signal cargo]

Didnt the king own the colony separately from the rest of belgium? Almost its own thing entirely at the time before the belgian govt took control of it

[hollow coral]

probably japan and china expansion pass 2 ngl

[signal cargo]

Welll the dlc that changed china and the warlords is now base game now no longer a dlc so theyre open for dlc

I think china and japan are open for a dlc now

They really need it imo

[hollow coral]

yes

3rd most outdated countries

[potent marten]

is there a questions channel... or do i just ask questions in general?

[hollow coral]

#ask-for-help-here

[signal cargo]

What else do you think are outdated?

[hollow coral]

the together for victory trees and d or dishonour

[signal cargo]

I think japan is the most boring manor

[hollow coral]

ive tried playing japan buts its so dry

[signal cargo]

Ohhh welll the mext dlc the raj is getting dlc so theres something

[signal cargo]

Mhmm

I think the next main dlc after germany should be japan or china or both

We can leave the british colonies and balkan nations to the small dlcs

[hollow coral]

i see a japan dlc with SEA and china rework

in an expansion pass

[signal cargo]

What needs to be reworked of the sea?

[hollow coral]

south east asia

[signal cargo]

Asia isnt the sea

[hollow coral]

SEA is abbreviation

of south east asia

[signal cargo]

Ohhhhh

My badd

Yeahhh indonesia malaysia siam

[hollow coral]

nah dw i got confused at first too

philippines🇵🇭 🇵🇭 🇵🇭

hope they add british burma and indochina too as colonies

[signal cargo]

Next year id be up for a japan based main dlc including malaysia Philippines indonesia and siam and then the small country pack dlc after it could be china and the warlords maybe mongolia and tanna tuva

[hollow coral]

yeh

insta buy

[harsh hull]

Main DLC: Japan, Burma, Thailand, Mongolia/Mengukuo
Main DLC: USA, Phillipines, and Liberia
Main DLC: France, Free France, Vichy France, Morocco, Indochina
Country pack: Czechoslovakia, Slovakia proper, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania
Country pack: Massive China rework
Country pack: Australia, New Zealand, British Malaya, Dutch East Indies
Country pack: North of South America```

I can see a max of 4 years left on the expansion pass model before they either have to make a new 1945 start date, release HOI5, or force us to play Napoleonic Guatamala as an entire DLC

[hollow coral]

thats if paradox wants to milk the heck outta hoi4😅

[lusty steeple]

an australia dlc would be cool

[signal cargo]

Honestly they could fit a few more nations in those dlc’s

Highly unlikely for a dlc to come out for 3 nations

[hollow coral]

and probably add more

[hollow coral]

we dont want another bba

[signal cargo]

XD

Or battle for the bosporus

Such sad

[hollow coral]

should have added albania in bba that would have turned it from a 6/10 to a 15/10

[signal cargo]

Welllll i think it was a good dlc but it did deserve more content, albania wouldve been perfect for that

I guess technically it was 4 nations since aussa was added

[hollow coral]

aussa focus tree is used fro every ethiopia releasable too

so basically african version of generic focus tree

[signal cargo]

I forgot about those releasables lol

Id compare it to an ethiopian version of the warlord trees

[hollow coral]

fair

italian east africa didnt get a tree either which is kinda sad

[signal cargo]

Yeahh

I wouldnt expect it too much though

Its not a nation at the start of the game nor big like vichy or free france

[hollow coral]

yeh like jsut a historical branch and a few industry focuses would be good

[signal cargo]

Its a real shame theres no cores

[signal cargo]

Could put in integration so they can have cores

[hollow coral]

they do get crazy manpower though

non core manpower is high im pretty sure

[signal cargo]

Oh that’s good then

But the lack of cores will also really hurt the industry

As if ethiopia had any to begin with

[hollow coral]

battle for bosporus is also a pretty bad pack

[signal cargo]

Yeahhhh

[hollow coral]

the focus trees are absolute dog shit

[signal cargo]

It was pretty advanced for the time but it aged badly

[hollow coral]

(except bulgaria)

[signal cargo]

Pffft

Im unable to enjoy any of them

[hollow coral]

i dont rlly like the faction systems for greece and bulgaria

[signal cargo]

if you go byzantine as greece you dont have to deal with them much

[hollow coral]

yeh

turkey also pretty bad

[signal cargo]

I agree with bulgaria i always have issues with it

Yeahhhh

[hollow coral]

bulgaria needs a lot of political power to do stuff though

[signal cargo]

I think turkey could use a minor update like how they touched canada a few times, shorten some focuses, change rewards of focuses or just loosen the restrictions

[stable tusk]

They will, Hoi4 is very popular and is constantly growing

[hollow coral]

the way you get ottomans is very gimmecky

[signal cargo]

Yeahhh

[hollow coral]

if you try to get ottomans for the first time you would not know how

[signal cargo]

I both hope for hoi4 to last a super long time but i also hope they get a hoi5 eventually.. probably no actual use for a hoi5 compared to hoi4 but a more updated system would be way better on our computers i think

[signal cargo]

Yeahhhhhh it takes a handful of timess

I guess thats not a bad thing

You need to learn

But it is too complicated

And then its way too late game

Turkey’s paths need to be shortened

[hollow coral]

i just dont know how they would improve apon hoi4

[signal cargo]

Well yeah but how different could a hoi5 be

They wouldnt make an entirely new game for something little

[hollow coral]

i think the most annoying thing about hoi4 is that its rlly laggy late game

and it uses an engine from the 2000s

[stable tusk]

Unless it's a completely new game, I think Hoi4 will still be popular
Like how there's still a huge fan base for Vic 2

[signal cargo]

Yeahhh that was my point before but i dont think theyd make hoi5 for that single reason if hoi4 is working just finee

[hollow coral]

yeh

[signal cargo]

Mhmmm thats true, hoi4 is such a great game, if theres a hoi5 and you dont catch onto it theres always hoi4 still

An updated engine would be amazing

Seeing those tinto talks if thats what they’re called for eu5, their game looks incredible and ive never played eu4 before

Im confident theres gonna be a hoi5 eventually but i cant imagine it soon

[hollow coral]

maybe 3 - 4 years im hoping

[signal cargo]

Paradox is making big moola with hoi

[clever atlas]

When tinto comes out hoi and stellaris will be the only games left on the legacy engine I would expect HOI5 to come after EU5 and before any Stellaris sequel

[oblique perch]

encirclement, cool

[signal cargo]

That makes sensee

[signal cargo]

Ripp the french, they thoughtt they had you

[oblique perch]

mfs decided to stretch their line too thin,

they had 3 divisions protecting the beligum area so i just..took paris with no resistance

they..did however cause a civil war in italy so thats troublesome

[signal cargo]

Oh gosh

One good side one bad side

[plucky crag]

helikopter helikopter para koper para koper

[terse slate]

Context

No, they showed it on the dev diary by "accident"

Someone must’ve screenshoted it thats why its low quality asf

[solid gyro]

gotta love how Daniel teased everyone of us with the alt history path during the livestream

[terse slate]

Xdd

[terse slate]

Who was the guy that was swearing and then saying « sorry xd »

[fallen zenith]

Also apparently they're updating the german portrait

[terse slate]

And and and and the mexican imperial thingy🥹

[dense gale]

no offense to the devs

but wtf are the wonder weapon balancing

[solid gyro]

ngl an iron cross and the tie would be even better imo

the iron cross seems like a nice touch, even if it hides the tie

[dense gale]

there is no world where a singular ratte can be more cost efficient than a medium tank

[terse slate]

Didnt you see the dev diary youtube where they showed off a cavalry division with like 500 soft attack xddd

[dense gale]

300 ic for 300 soft

[dense gale]

yea

[terse slate]

Using a super heavy tank as support

in 1936

LOL

[dense gale]

its land cruiser

[solid gyro]

the r a t

[terse slate]

😭

[dense gale]

i took it from that vide

[terse slate]

Yuh

Game’s gonna be crazy

[solid gyro]

i still lmao at how the cavalry unit appears taller than the ratte

[dense gale]

i think all the wonder weapons would be super op lol

[solid gyro]

shits too funny xd

[terse slate]

Unfortunately the game engine is too old the devs said it themselves they can barely even change the LETTERS FONT

[dense gale]

if thats how strong the land cruiser is already

[terse slate]

they need to make hoi5 frfr with new engine

[fallen zenith]

Thats kinda the point isn't it?

[terse slate]

yuh they’re supposed to be late game stuff

[dense gale]

no

the wonder weapons were mostly useless tho

the jets were inferior to traditional fighters in ww2

and the v rockets didnt really work out

[fallen zenith]

Thats no fun tho

If they add them and they're useless there's no point in adding them

[dense gale]

theres zero sense in balance for them

i mean why would be make the spitfire

[fallen zenith]

Yea they should be balanced

[dense gale]

if they can instead rush for jets

[fallen zenith]

But not useless

[dense gale]

i mean clearly unviable super weapons should not be viable

like the super heavy tanks

should always be meant as a joke design

like theres a reason the maus wasnt further developed on while we have icbms

i dont mind helicopters and the assault engineers vehicles being good

[craggy cave]

work in progress. Reading/listining is hard i guess

[dense gale]

lol trust me they dont lol (ok maybe not it was an offhand comment made by dankus before)

u know for aat the dev build

and the release build was the same

[craggy cave]

we'll see

tho yeah i agree. i dont think that anything significant will be done in those 4 weeks left

[obtuse ingot]

I hear murmurs about better naval invasions… maybe?

[signal cargo]

Hmmm i think its good as it is but paratroopers need quality of life

[obtuse ingot]

It’s mostly people talking about it from like 3 or 4 months back

[signal cargo]

Ohh okay

[cobalt jay]

They aren't useless as much as none of the currently shown stuff significantly changes the meta

[fallen kite]

It looks like they’re reworking high command

They no longer cost command power and instead give you a buff to maximum command power

(Look at when they show off Goering)

[thick edge]

Hear me out

They make the jet engine faster than engine 4

[obtuse ingot]

Is there a kind of power level mechanic for inner circle where if Hitler dies, the one with the most power becomes the new leader?

Maybe one of the advisors takes over an inner circle spot?

[nimble torrent]

i think we have to wait and see until the day after tomorrow

[fallen kite]

It isn’t already?

[nimble torrent]

(they'll show the german systems)

[thick edge]

Don’t think so

[cobalt jay]

It is faster

The problem is you have no range and it has to less thrust than engine 4

[obtuse ingot]

Imagine going full Stalin and just replacing the entire inner circle with monarchists and anti-Nazis

It would be cool for all the advisors you can put into the Inner circle to have their own special missions… but probably won’t….

But probably more like generals/researchers where they have certain stats that work best in certain positions

[olive acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632975427018948662/1296902804543377469/image.png?ex=6714a31b&is=6713519b&hm=1430bda1732df7f428b05fe7f1ac1ad591284b8cc9a5a362f17c9d5706ae4847& guys does he has drip?

[nimble torrent]

bro's drippy

seems emaciated but drippy nonetheless

[cunning flame]

wouldn't super-weapons take up to after 1949 to make? doesn't this mean focus trees would have to be made to go past this date

[obtuse ingot]

Looks like Alec Guinness

[severe compass]

Not necessarily.

[dense gale]

no u can rush them

u can get them around 1943

at least the for the land crusiers

since they seem to be a direct replacement for the super heavies

maybe the icbm are later techs tho

[jolly mountain]

I hope they make an armored car designer. All it should be is a light tank with wheeled suspension. Maybe restrict fixed superstructures but

[jolly mountain]

The balance is that theres 1 land cruiser in the division so if you destroy it, they cant replace it

[dense gale]

no

attrition dont work on very low numbers

[jolly mountain]

Id have to test. Add AT and tank destroyers to divisions and see if it dies

[mortal thunder]

the nuke was the super weapon wunderwaffe that ended it all. it dropped in 44 research probably started in 40
anything smaller in scale should be faster v2 rockets, jets,

https://news.uchicago.edu/explainer/first-nuclear-reactor-explained
they had a functional reactor in 42

[mortal thunder]

with all the new functions and powercreep the limit is too low u need like 600 cp

[solid gyro]

i really H O P E hungary will have less rng in the new update

this is taking me more runs than the ones i needed to learn how to play

[neat crystal]

Reupload of leaked image.

[solid gyro]

brother you gotta replace the Prepare con Civil War with Rebuilding the Nation

[neat crystal]

Its a reupload, i didnt leak it

[solid gyro]

oh well in that case

[severe compass]

Also not a "leaked" image per definition, it was posted publicly by a dev as a meme response to a request to see the ahistorical german tree.

[neat crystal]

How is it a meme

Also where can i see higher quality version?

[hexed mango]

not big enough

needs more paths

no wermach path, not strasser path, no himmler/ss path

OVR

[neat crystal]

This is the alt history path

[hexed mango]

what could have been

vgh

[neat crystal]

Check stream

[hexed mango]

I know

not big enough

[neat crystal]

Or historcal path

In historical psth you can do bunch of more stuff

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[neat crystal]

More demans and etc.

Heres road map btw

[severe compass]

That's the point

There is no higher quality version

That's the "meme"

An illegible picture of the ahistorical Germany tree

[neat crystal]

Bru, the streamer leaked it

[severe compass]

Not really, no. I imagine the streamer might have added the notations, but certainly not the image.

[severe compass]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/developer-diary-historical-germany.1708873/post-29943330

[plucky crag]

What are raids?

[neat crystal]

Plane raids i belive

Not sure

[severe compass]

#latest-updates message

[fallen kite]

Anyway guys it turns out

[plucky crag]

Probably raids on research structures

[fallen kite]

There is a way to get rid of MEFO debuffs by doing the Autarky achieved focus

But it requires you to have a ton of resources

[severe compass]

Various types of methods of sabotage

Seemingly not limited to research structures as Eben Emael was a fort in Belgium

[pine blaze]

they’ve also mentioned and indirectly shown raids on oilfields

[plucky crag]

Niceee

[fading walrus]

do you think Wilhelm will retain his iconic Piklehaube in his portrait

[worn depot]

Oh yeah I made it

[worn depot]

Didnt you see them show the part of the historical focus tree about the major players in the German gov

Also idk if they said this or not but I think they said something about strasser in the forum posts

[worn depot]

And I wasn’t fully sure if that mislabeled area was preparing or not so that’s why I put a question mark

[worn depot]

And thanks for saying it’s a reupload

[obtuse drum]

hell yea

[obtuse ingot]

Depending on how it works… it has a lot of potential but it just shy of being really good

[worn depot]

well we won't fully know until they go in depth on the inner circle system

[obtuse ingot]

I’m hoping for a more “imperator” like system

That way you can add/change/get rid of people a bit easier

Cause like what if there’s a random event where Hess or some other inner circle dies… is their tree greyed out?

[fresh cedar]

Logically yeah, their tree would be gone

Considering we get like 6 options, not the end of the world

Love imperator but I do also like HOI4’s advisor system. The quick swap out with political power has been nice

Really interested in how the inner circle works

Stalinist USSR should have a similar system imo

[obtuse ingot]

It would be fun if they weren’t the only possibility to have… like a Hidden Circle … like if you wanted to replace Himmler with Canaris or someone else…

[fresh cedar]

I’m under the impression they can be swapped

[obtuse ingot]

Canaris would have their own tree …(we just don’t see it)

[fresh cedar]

But you’re saying like the actual tree

Like so Himmler is the only one who can do Himmler things

In that case would be nice to have other choices. But at the same time would remove weight from key figures if they could be replaced

[obtuse ingot]

Possibly… unless it’s maybe using a stat based system where whomever is running the intelligence agency has a good espionage stat. Or something

[fresh cedar]

I can’t say till they do the raids dev diary

I’m under the impression that they’re intended to knockout Hitler’s inner circle

So replacing may be counter intuitive

But agreed advisors gaining skills would be neat

I like how scientists Atleast will be like that. dynamic

Kinda improve upon what you do

[obtuse ingot]

Meaning democrat/communist Germany wouldn’t have inner circle… which kinda seems like a missed opportunity

[fresh cedar]

Kinda like Propaganda system and Stalin

Or Senate for USA

I like that specific governments have unique systems

While most could benefit from them. It may cheapen it

Still would love the USA getting propaganda campaigns

[obtuse ingot]

Comic books

[fresh cedar]

USA straight up had a huge propaganda department and massive campaigns that did effect the war

Inner Circle though just seems like a more in depth advisor system

Feel like it would be more important with Hitler’s Germany as he’s reliant on his followers to not dispose him

[obtuse ingot]

USA would have such a HuGE propaganda machine

[fresh cedar]

Captain America is a great example tbh

[obtuse ingot]

Rosie the Riveter

Uncle Sam

[fresh cedar]

I just want a similar poster propaganda program to the USSR

Idk if you’ve seen it but they start off being able to run 1 poster at a time for like 140 days or something, and can eventually run 3 at once

Each buffing a different thing for the duration

[tardy flame]

there is a mod

[fresh cedar]

Would work SO WELL with the USA

[obtuse ingot]

UK I think might have some too

[fresh cedar]

Only mod I knew of was for Germany lol

Which if you’ve ever seen their posters are absolutely not appropriate for the game

[fresh cedar]

They do yeah

[fresh cedar]

Just make a propaganda DLC for majors 😭🙏

[tardy flame]

?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2697374560&searchtext=propaganda

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2175242864&searchtext=propaganda

[fresh cedar]

Honestly surprised they haven’t really done a DLC on that yet

Considering the guts of it exist for the USSR and probably wouldn’t be too hard to make

[tardy flame]

money

money

anddd

money

[fallen kite]

Yeah but think

[fresh cedar]

Yeah easy money for paradox

[fallen kite]

Why buy subsystem of USSR

[tardy flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279422062900936704/1282075056985604137/thosewhoknow.gif

[fresh cedar]

Isn’t for USSR if can apply to most countries

[fallen kite]

Correction

Why make paid for everyone except USSR

[fresh cedar]

Bc was paid in USSR DLC

Same argument can be made for any 3d model pack

Yet I’ll still buy sprites

[tardy flame]

what?

[fresh cedar]

“Why buy German tank model if US get tank model for free”

Have you met Paradox consumers? 😂

[fallen kite]

💀

[tardy flame]

https://tenor.com/view/from-the-screen-to-the-ring-the-the-pen-to-the-king-ksi-gif-12257927774644906851

[fresh cedar]

There’s already multiple DLC for this

There was a DLC that just reskinned Soviet Focuses and 2D art

Yet people still bought it

[obtuse ingot]

First rule in government spending: why build one when you can have two at twice the price?

[fresh cedar]

Atleast a propaganda system would benefit many countries with actual mechanics

Watch, if Inner circle is popular they’ll do it for other majors

[tardy flame]

blah blah blah, what are you talking about
it was a DLC to support modders
and its for 2bucks

stop crying

[fresh cedar]

Whose crying?

[tardy flame]

.

[fresh cedar]

Yes, counter argument

Believe it or not people can present counter arguments and share different opinions without losing composure

[obtuse ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/airplane-let-them-crash-counter-point-they-bought-their-tickets-they-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-gif-15922770

[tardy flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1130589521810038848/1273013524838355015/attachment.gif

[fresh cedar]

Weird you’re taking it so personal tbh

[fallen kite]

https://tenor.com/view/edge-lord-drew-edgy-drew-edge-lord-drew-gif-6110760853453095195

Mf after saying that

[tardy flame]

when

[obtuse ingot]

Cool down guys

[fresh cedar]

I just blocked em, trying to talk HOI4 updates lol. Dont have energy for that angst

[fallen kite]

Dude escalated so quickly he may as well be an escalator

[fresh cedar]

Imagine instead of pressing the decisions “War Bonds” as the USA. You press this and have this sick image for like 70-140 days

[fallen kite]

Yeah that would be pretty baller

And I’d love to have it

[fresh cedar]

Would go so hard

[obtuse ingot]

Was just about to say something like war bonds

[fresh cedar]

Like -10% Strategic bomber cost for 70 days

[fresh cedar]

Do you guys thinks raids will be limited to destroying damn/forts or kill key figures too

[obtuse ingot]

Stealing ships

[fresh cedar]

Maybe, like the French fleet one

[obtuse ingot]

Or like that British mission they made into a movie

[fresh cedar]

Ik they said one of the raids will be for Germany to paradrop into the Belgium super fort Even Emael

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Postmaster

[fresh cedar]

Could be cool

I’d absolutely be so mad if 20 baby countries stole my entire fleet in multiplayer though 😂

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Atlas

[fresh cedar]

Probably will mostly be to disrupt the new special projects and dams/Strongholds

[fresh cedar]

You think they’d add new operations?

[obtuse ingot]

During the Second World War, Tristan was commissioned by the Royal Navy as the so-called "stone frigate" HMS Atlantic Isle and used as a secret signals intelligence station, to monitor German U-boats (which were required to maintain radio contact) and shipping in the South Atlantic Ocean.

[fresh cedar]

Allegedly having divisions/special divisions around facilities will lower the success chance of enemy raids

[fresh cedar]

Would be a special project I think

[obtuse ingot]

It’s an island… didn’t have to build it

[fresh cedar]

I mean just to set it up

Would that work similar to radar? Or just like give a buff to deciphering for carrying it out

[obtuse ingot]

Since UBoats had to have radios on, it probably just monitored traffic .. I would think

[fresh cedar]

I’m just thinking how it would be represented in game

Maybe like submarine stealth would be lowered in that region?

Like an ocean state debuff that’s like +25% sub visibility

I recognize the importance of that operation. Feel like it could be hard to represent but possible

Like “Shark infested waters” but for sub visibility/escape chance?

[fallen kite]

I hope they add more things Subversive Activities effect

Right now it’s just a glorified war goal time

[fresh cedar]

Like the spy agency?

[fallen kite]

No Subversive Activities the modifier

[fresh cedar]

Feel like they’re trying to

[fallen kite]

I’m pretty sure the only other thing it effects is coups when you don’t have La Resistance and ideology boosting.

[fresh cedar]

Coups are so trash too

I think the modifiers can be buffed if you got like 3-4 players doing it though

Intended for MP more ig

[fallen kite]

I mean I’ve used them sometimes when I just can’t break a major.

But other than that never

[fresh cedar]

Would be neat if you could like target a state to raise it in instead and have that break off

So if you’re fascist, can spark rebellion on the USA south

[fallen kite]

You can

[fresh cedar]

Or northern Scotland

[fallen kite]

You can target specific states with coups

[polar jasper]

I hope raids use the Intel agency, otherwise the Intel agency feature is useless aside from blueprints and collabs

[fresh cedar]

I mean dealing with releaseable nations in that region though

Like if the USA could make Rio Grande break off, or just do that with other countries

[polar jasper]

Support Seperatist Movements?

[fresh cedar]

Raids gotta be Intel Agency right

[fallen kite]

Well, you can only really do that if they have resistance

[fresh cedar]

Yup. Some focuses like Iceland do that with UK. Would be neat as a core feature

[fallen kite]

But maybe

You could absolutely obliterate Yugoslavia

[fresh cedar]

Italy too tbh

[fallen kite]

Speaking of which maybe I should try the coup feature more often

[fresh cedar]

Russia would get Murked 😂

[fallen kite]

I’ve been trying an Albania run and maybe couping Yugoslavia will allow me to beat them myself

[fallen kite]

Bro

China

[fresh cedar]

It’s possible

[fallen kite]

Imagine going through all the effort to unite China

[fresh cedar]

Ik separatist movements would never be allowed in MP

[fallen kite]

Only for every other player to go Nuh uh and make them ride up again

[fresh cedar]

Dude imagine how could it would be to Balkanize Japan

If only Waking the Tiger was made today

Monarchist China would eat

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

[obtuse ingot]

That sounds good

[fallen kite]

Monarchist China

I think it already exists right?

In Manchuria kinda

[fresh cedar]

It does but barely

[fresh cedar]

Basically is a formable that completes via a Focus from uniting China

Would be so much better had it been made today though

[hollow coral]

i absolutely love playing manchuria

still very dry though

[fresh cedar]

Same, just like the new formula of Ground, Air, Navy, Industry and flavor throughout trees

[hollow coral]

but one of the more thought out trees in waking the tiger

[fresh cedar]

Agreed

[nimble torrent]

Thing is
The more I look into hoi and it's development the more it looks like it's built from the ground up
Not that much for foundation
So they just add systems upon the game but they don't communicate with each other a lot
And so every dlc adds a mechanic for the specific nation of the dlc
And the next dlc kinda does not touch the previous mechanics at all
(I say this as they are probably going to announce that raids are going to be a spy mission, but for the wide majority of other things I'm afraid it's still like that)

So the soviets get propaganda
The Italians get BoP
The Germans the inner circle
So on and so forth
Whereas a more unified push, although much harder to sell as a dlc of course, could have made for more homogenous game systems and mechanics
As in
No nation feels particularly "aged" because it has not gotten an update in years
But it's very hard to sell a dlc like that

[hollow coral]

doesnt denmark have a balance of power

not rlly leader though

[granite vessel]

What do you think, if Britain had capitulated, the government would have moved to Canada?

[hollow coral]

probably

[granite vessel]

This would add to the difficulties for Germany.

[fallen kite]

Yeah

Way too much difficulty

[nimble torrent]

Yeah, in these last dlcs they have begun adding some of these mechanics
And it's great honestly
(Btw aside from the BBA nations also Denmark and Finland have it I think)

[fallen kite]

It’s like if Siam became axis leader

[fresh cedar]

On the other hand decisions have been a pretty solid way at having features

But it does seem that way

[fallen kite]

Or Paraguay leader of the Comintern

[hollow coral]

i see inner circle as being only a germany thing honestly

[fresh cedar]

Same, don’t really need it with any other

[nimble torrent]

Historically the British began shipping like, a million dollars worth of stuff into Canada at the beginning of the war just in case
So yeah, quite possibly

I kind of agree with the inner circle
Could be put maybe in a Japan dlc

Since u know
Emperor still had some power and whatnot

[hollow coral]

i see japan having a balance of power with army and navy more

[nimble torrent]

Very likely too

What I'd like to see is more mechanics working with each other
Nation X is selling equipment on the market to someone?
Cool we can use that vulnerability, maybe smuggle shitty equipment into them
Maybe steal some during the transport

The enemy planes are wrecking our stuff? We infiltrate and give them a debuff to bombing via false recon reports

(To do all this the spy system would need a rework of some sorts, personally I advocate for the 1 spy in a country is enough style, to represent the ringleader of sorts)

[hollow coral]

spies are very innefective and most people use them for collabs

the resistance target also takes too long to do anything

no point for research bonuses too

[fresh cedar]

Also the spies leveling doesn’t really make sense

Like max spy lvl is lvl 2??

[fallen kite]

Spy rework

[hollow coral]

france dlc fr

but idk how they could do it without colliding with la resistance

[nimble torrent]

They'll probably wait for La Resistance to get declassed to normal content

Then they'll say
Well
Since everyone gets spies now
We can make a better system for all
And special integration with a dlc

Or something

[hollow coral]

anything before no step back could be integrated

[nimble torrent]

I think the logic they have followed is "wait 5 years after release or those who bought it get pissy" (rightfully so on both sides)

[hollow coral]

i would be a little pissed off

[fallen kite]

I mean

Says who they can’t just update the DLC

Right capitalist economics

[hollow coral]

they have done minor updates for together for victory

but a new spy system for a 4 year old dlc idk

[fallen kite]

Not necessarily whole new

Just some tweaking

[hollow coral]

focus tree for france is also very dry

and very outdated

[fallen kite]

Reduce some operation costs here, add a few new operations there, apply some new modifiers there.

A modder could do it

[fallen kite]

Yeah

[jolly wasp]

what about luxembourg focus tree in gotterdamerung, is that happening?

[obtuse ingot]

I have a feeling espionage rework might be soon… to compete…

Not to rush… but probably sooner than later

[hollow coral]

Probably

They did mention small features and and updates for countries in the austrian empire

[silent prism]

Wait, yes?

When?

[silent prism]

No as far as I know

[silent prism]

You want me to create something like that?

If yes - DM me, just for fun

We will do that

[hollow coral]

the roadmap and dlc information in steam says that

[silent prism]

Good

[hollow coral]

they probably will add luxembourg focus tree like they did for iceland

[solid gyro]

Why is Donitz not in the inner circle?

[tender citrus]

DO NOT LOOK AT EUROPE

[tender citrus]

idk he wasn't known

[silent prism]

If I get at least a small focus tree for Habsburg Ukraine, or Ukraine in general in this DLC I will visit PDX office and bring cake for all employees

[silent prism]

What happened there?

[solid gyro]

TOO LATE I JUST DID 😭😭😭

[hollow coral]

Cant wait for carpatho ukraine tree

[silent prism]

I want some gameplay for UIA

[neat crystal]

United kingdom ❌
Dissunited kingdom✅

[tender citrus]

my hoi4 crashed :((

[hollow coral]

Btw noticed this on hungary dev diary

Establish ukrainian kingdom

[daring forge]

They shared a picture of it’s maximum extent in the comments

[hollow coral]

i would rather not say what i just did

[daring forge]

They said in the chat on the latest stream that it isn’t happening

[daring forge]

I think that’s mostly the Austro-Hungarian joint focus tree they showed off in the Hungary dev diary

[hollow coral]

that might just be for austria and hungary

[daring forge]

I don’t expect to see any additional focus trees beyond the ones announced

[daring forge]

It mentions others if you read the DD

[silent prism]

So did I

[silent prism]

Actually, they changed a city name there

[upbeat quiver]

does somebody know if pal teleki is in the update? and gets a portrait?

[stable tusk]

Why'd you scribble over the dude?
Also raids and small features got swapped

[neat crystal]

Ok

[stable tusk]

Here's my take on the German Alt History tree

[fading walrus]

thats my take too

I also noted that Communist Germany can help Republican Spain

[fresh cedar]

Feel like the left side of the shared tree might not be easily accessible by the monarchists

[fading walrus]

which is a nice addition

[fresh cedar]

More of a mutually exclusive thing like the end of the Brazil tree

Kinda liked how they were split before. Hope they differ more

Here’s a closer image of the communist tree

Sadly just the top

[wise oxide]

this is insanely dumb tannu tuva is getting 10% of its population recruited weekly for free the army is bigger than the whole population and they have alot in reserve. this needs to scale with population😭 🙏

[fallen kite]

No

[worn depot]

ah, I had a feeling that the other communist path was going full on communist instead of just socialism/social democracy

[neat crystal]

It looks like you will be able to ”liberate” czechoslovakia, poland, hungary and italy in the communist path, basically trying to make the warsaw pact

[trim quartz]

Alright so it looks like igniting a civil war won’t be as hard as the Russians

[fallen kite]

wait a second

is the germany flipping part of the tree

just click one focus

wait for ideology support

and overthrow

ah wait

it's 4 focuses

the focus to decide you're going against the ruling government

the focus to do something

the focus to start the civil war

and the focus to end it

[stable tusk]

Well this is what it looks like

[fallen kite]

yeah but the whole thing looks like this

and those side focuses aren't neccesary

you don't need to do them to flip

the top cluster seems to be one focus for pre-civil war preparation for all sides plus 3 post war focuses, and the bottom two look like parts of the communist content you can do during the civil war

so all you need to flip communist as germany is just 4 focuses

but maybe there's some hidden event chains and decisions in there that give it more flavour (at least I hope there are)

[thick edge]

We aren’t nerfing Tana Tuva

[obtuse ingot]

What’s special about Tuva?

[thick edge]

Everything?

what do you think?

a hoi4 players love for Tuva is motherly

[frank gulch]

Might have constitutional and absolute monarchy

Like italy

[stable tusk]

Well Italy's constituion monarchy path is pretty short so they might do something like that

[mental onyx]

Out of all the dev diaries that will come out, I'm most excited about the small features

[stable tusk]

I'm excited for small features and German systems

[fallen kite]

Me too

Cause small features is gonna effect a lot of other things too

And Germany systems will be cool for modding blueprints

[floral scaffold]

No need to censor

It's allowed since its official

[trim quartz]

Interested to see how raids work

What does German systems mean?

[stable tusk]

I assume Reichkommissariats and Inner Circle

[trim quartz]

Oh that’s sweet

I’m intrigued by that because they’ve added a focus branch where hitlers other guys can take leadership instead

[gilded hazel]

also more info on MEFO bills

[solid gyro]

What dev diaries are this week

[queen tusk]

man when hoi4 sale again? december?!

[queen tusk]

germany, why not check above channel 💀

[signal cargo]

Despite how few weeks are in this dev diary cycle, im just so excited for the dlc it feels extremely longgg

[wise oxide]

i mean over all the generic tree and weekly manpower it one huge meme on historical it should not be a thing

[solid gyro]

i wonder what small features will be

[outer whale]

Maybe mechanics

[craggy cave]

hopefully nuke rework

i cant take waiting any longer lol

im dying out of curiosity

[severe compass]

paratrooper rework

I'm guessing they'll show off the upgradable transport planes at least

[tired acorn]

the what?

[severe compass]

THESE

[nimble torrent]

yeah i think announcing the dlc a month (and a half?) before release and giving us biweekly diaries on the content was honestly a great idea to create and ride the hype
it does also mean that they don't have a lot of time to fix any issues the community has
like the shmitler portrait which was last minute
or, as i saw in the comment section of the DD, the devs getting ripped for locking quite a few generals behind focuses, potentially giving you less generals than pre update germany (i hope they fix this, germany should get more generals, although it can be hard to choose which one to implement)

[signal cargo]

The hype is definitely theree and i havent heard about the image problem but regarding german generals theres supposed to be more than there were before the dlc, its only you start with less, if you do your focuses you’ll have plenty

[tired acorn]

YOOO no way

investing

[native herald]

From my experience Reichkomissarts are now viable due to the modfier

[signal cargo]

I always liked using them because with historical on that resistance can get crazy high so making the puppets relieves manpower and guns from garrsion

If i could id give vichy france all of france and just annex them later

If they were a puppet

I doubt theyd change france soon but i think vichy france should get the treatment denmark has where they become a german puppet but completely stay out of the war but regarding vichy ofc later they will join the war

[wise oxide]

germany will have to make them because if no they will have too many occupied states and will get debuffs

[wise oxide]

im fanuming with happiness when i see stuff like that

[thick edge]

What’s the smaller icons?

Parasite fighters!

[hollow coral]

People without bba be like

[thick edge]

I have bba?

[hollow coral]

Im talking abt the picture

But thats before bba

Transport planes

I think idk

[thick edge]

Oh?

[native herald]

I hope germany is either easier or harder to cap

[wise oxide]

how can you hope for both?

[wise oxide]

germany is likely going to be weaker early and stronger late game and at the end of the war maybe a weaker

[native herald]

One of most likely successors is goering or borman if hitler won

[fresh cedar]

Thought you could give them Vichy

[fresh cedar]

They are adding mothership aircraft with parasite aircraft.

[fresh cedar]

Just realized the new MEFO system kinda forces Reichkoms to exist after you said that. Kinda cool honestly

[wise oxide]

fr

im smart like that

[nimble torrent]

not only that but i imagine you either get decisions to plunder conquered lands
OR
you can "command" RKs to help you at their disadvantage

[fresh cedar]

So it’s plunder and keep them all occupied, or have them as puppets and a manageable economy? I’m never choosing economy of conquest lol

Don’t want to bother with that when I’m trying to micro huge wars

[nimble torrent]

but
muh plunder the riches of the west 😦

Can't have resistance hideouts if we stole everything in a country

[hexed mango]

Today...

[fresh cedar]

Basically like super snowball but get crushed by your own weight

[pseudo wing]

just because you said that, DD cancelled

tsk tsk

[thick edge]

Sacrifice to please Chak

@open vault to the temple

[native herald]

Ya cant abuse collabs now

[mental onyx]

expert ai devs shaking their boots right now

[native herald]

As probably there would be set rule for germany to be not allowed to make kollab besides reichkomissarts

[nimble torrent]

Wasn't it supposed to be about the german systems today?

[native herald]

Probably tomorrow or end of the week

[wise oxide]

at all?

[thick edge]

New dd?

[wise oxide]

w if true

[native herald]

Cuz damn

You cant cheez germany ya have yo quickly conquer or you be outscalled by the allies

@wise oxide Probably

So guys

New dev diary

[solid gyro]

Hell yeah

[mental onyx]

expert ai lite
DAMS
no more fort spam

[vale rover]

Today should be raids, but we got small features

[solid gyro]

They swapped

[nimble torrent]

RAAAAH WE GOT BETTER AI IN HOI4 BEFORE GTA6

[solid gyro]

😎

[wise oxide]

best thing ever

[mental onyx]

We can now have different colored horses!!!

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-cavalo-spin-meme-flip-gif-17331191

[pseudo wing]

this was swapped more than a week and a half ago, I've mentioned it in a few places

we swapped them to give them more time with the Raid DD

[pseudo wing]

German systems is on Wednesday

[nimble torrent]

sounds great!
(today's dev diary is too of course)

[open vault]

what did i do 🙏

[thick edge]

Idk

[undone kelp]

I love how one of the devs was clearly just like “I liek horsies, horsies pretty!” and made that their whole contribution to the update.

[mental onyx]

devs are cool for that

[fresh cedar]

AI gonna be spooky now 😂 feel like it could be cheesed though

Create a corridor with no forts that’s encircled by forts, let them push in, encircle, kill, repeat

[mental onyx]

forts are harder to build now though. Not only you need IC, you also need research

[nimble torrent]

its so over for the fortbros now

[fresh cedar]

Yeah but if they follow path of least resistance, an area lacking forts and soldiers with entice large pushes

So just encase cities with kill zones surrounded in forts. So they’ll push an army in hard, then you just cut it off and encircle then repeat

The conditions for offensives are supply lines/rail, minimal forces and enemy divisions, cities

So can basically force AI to attack along routes

[solid gyro]

I am so happy I pre-ordered this DLC

This is looking to be the best one yet

[fresh cedar]

Forts are more important if anything bc it lowkey denies an area to the enemy AI. Can trick them into pockets now

The main challenge with AIFC isn’t whether it can be stopped but the fact it changes overtime relative to its doctrine

[dense gale]

i mean baiting the ai into encirclements isnt a new thing

the ai improvements are good

because it encourages them to seek out operational objectives

[fresh cedar]

It isn’t a new thing Ik, just the biggest counter to the new AI changes

[dense gale]

instead of just clicking battleplan

ai will always do ai stuff

[fresh cedar]

Hopefully their armies make more sense too. AI tends to split 120 divisions into like 40 armies, half lacking generals

[solid gyro]

@pseudo wing Do you know if only majors will be getting landmarks, and what qualifies a landmark?

Or will I just have to wait and see

[fresh cedar]

Rommel is gonna be spooky in North Africa

[pseudo wing]

It should be based on location, so who knows

maybe a certain place will have a special Landmark regardless of how big their country is

(aka you'll see)

[fresh cedar]

Machu Pichu confirmed

[solid gyro]

Ooo

Well better than nothing

[solid gyro]

Biggest ball of twine lamdmark for Nebraska confirmed?!?!

[fresh cedar]

Hope destroying monuments hurts stability or something

Trailer showed Eiffel Tower, Big Ben and White House getting wrecked

So should have some impact I imagine

[solid gyro]

I'm wondering if it's only a nuke thing or if combatbwoukd do that

They did say they were reworking urban warfare and that's where monuments tend to b

[fresh cedar]

Considering some weaponry has that new statistic which damages states it fights in, I’d say both

[obtuse ingot]

Spain’s landmark probably that chapel still being built

[fresh cedar]

Hope the Golden Gate Bridge is added

[obtuse ingot]

US landmarks (probably)
• Statue of Liberty
• Mt. Rushmore
• Golden Gate

[fresh cedar]

Apparently landmarks buff states and the country as a whole

[fresh cedar]

White House too hopefully

The Alamo would be kinda funny just for Mexico to take

[obtuse ingot]

White House is a given… but icr if Washington monument is done or not.

[barren tusk]

no paradox video?

raids

[obtuse ingot]

Arc d’Triumphe & Eiffel Tower

[undone kelp]

Japan probably has Fiji and the Imperial Palace.

[fresh cedar]

The Russian and Chinese ones will be super cool

Really hyped about it

[barren tusk]

so when is raid comming?

[pseudo wing]

it swapped with small features so that would be next week

[fresh cedar]

So if small features and raids were swapped. When would raids be Trigo? 😏

[pseudo wing]

in december

surely

[obtuse ingot]

Colissiem and Acropolis
Pyramids for sure…. Taj Mahal

[fresh cedar]

Probably Q3 2035

[undone kelp]

I imagine Iwo Jima will probably have some kind of fortification special project as well.

[fresh cedar]

Islands need a slight rework imo

But I’m sure that’ll come with a pacific theater rework

[undone kelp]

Turkey can have the Theodosian Walls I guess.

[obtuse ingot]

I think the next season might focus on navy stuff… that’s why I’ve been hyping colonial France/SEA

[fresh cedar]

Better get the Hagia Sophia

[fresh cedar]

Which will buff Turkey and Greece

[fresh cedar]

I’d probably lean more towards a Southeast Asia, Japan rework tbh

Siam, Indochina, Phillipines, Japan, Malaysia, Indonesia

[mental onyx]

I'm sure there are ways to permanently delete a landmark from the game

[fresh cedar]

ICBM’s have entered chat

[hearty blade]

id love to see japan siam indochina phillipines malaysia and indonesia rework

[undone kelp]

Southeast Asia and then a touch up of the French and British colonies I think.

[fresh cedar]

Colonial rework can almost be its own thing. Feel like that would be in more of an Africa centric DLC

[barren tusk]

mf what if they change the belgium as well

[fresh cedar]

I really just wanna see the Congo tree tbh

[barren tusk]

logically can be wendsday but it might change as raid

[undone kelp]

Mongolia would probably get its own focus tree too

[fresh cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hachubby-shuffling-cups-gambling-fail-gif-15432562

Paradox changing the dev diary dates

[craggy cave]

will the changes to nukes be in the raids dev diary?

[fresh cedar]

Has to be, hopefully they say how it’ll interact with landmarks

[craggy cave]

they did

1 sec

[fresh cedar]

Tbh I’d guess all of Africa may be a single one but who knows. Look at what they’re doing with Graveyard of empires

[craggy cave]

i cant post screensohts in here

sadge+

oh i can

here

[fresh cedar]

By break do they mean permanently though

[visual wraith]

what is the first flag?

[craggy cave]

Hannover

[visual wraith]

ah

[fresh cedar]

So happy Germany has more releasables now

Should’ve been added when the French Empire was able to disunite

[undone kelp]

As far as African colonies go, some of it will have to be left under French control to simulate the Free French regrouping in Africa.

[wise oxide]

idk what state is that?

[barren tusk]

not bad research

[undone kelp]

Similarly, I don’t see Indonesia getting its own because of the interactions with the Dutch focuses

[fresh cedar]

Find it so cool you can build strongholds like the Russian ones

Iwo Jima should really get one

[fresh cedar]

Argument could be made for Congo and Belgium too though

Or Iraq and UK

[obtuse ingot]

After that part of the map is filled out … it pretty much fills out the map… and they might start production hoi5 around 2026 release around 2028 ish?

[fresh cedar]

Oh who knows haha

[wise oxide]

what is blud blabbering bout

[fresh cedar]

HOI5 wouldn’t be playable till like 2035 anyways

[undone kelp]

Possibly? Entirely contingent upon how Congo and Belgium are implemented

[fresh cedar]

With all the DLC

[fresh cedar]

They sometimes rework majors when reworking minors. Happened with together for victory

All it takes is a focus or two to apply it to a major

[wise oxide]

or the dutch focuses will be reworked😱 🤯 ???

[fresh cedar]

Dutch probably would get a rework too

Indonesia could be a major player with a focus

[undone kelp]

Not seeing how they’d do it without functionally revamping the Government in Exile mechanic.

[wise oxide]

most countries focus trees are out of date the oldest trees that are still good is the NSB trees and everything after that is nice

[solid gyro]

Hannover

[wise oxide]

sounds oddly familiar might be the name of the cuontry also you think?

[fresh cedar]

Really depends on how they do the Congo. Which will probably be like how they did the together for victory colonies

[solid gyro]

Very, very minor rework

[wise oxide]

sorry im geeking rn

[silk jacinth]

Landmarks with bonuses is a unique idea, maybe a focus to make Germania adds a new landmark and has really cool buff

[solid gyro]

Yes

[fresh cedar]

Dutch tree has like 15 focuses for Indonesia I think

[obtuse ingot]

Reminds me of a different game vaguely

[silk jacinth]

Hmmmm

[undone kelp]

Major rather.

The historical path has them taking full control of Indonesia and rebasing to operate out of there.

That all has to be revamped if Indonesia gets its own.

[silk jacinth]

Wolfenstein

[wise oxide]

i know i was being sarcastic bc i got a little mad because someone had a mid take

[fresh cedar]

They apparently give state buffs and country wide buffs. They’ll probably add that later since it’s in the trailer

[solid gyro]

Ok

[undone kelp]

At least with Free France it’s easy enough to just let them keep Algeria and French Guiana.

[silk jacinth]

Fair

[fresh cedar]

Apparently landmarks will function like a spirit too

[wise oxide]

i hope saarland will be a thing

atleast as a state

[silk jacinth]

Saarland probably will never get a focus tree if it’s added

[fresh cedar]

US and Soviets will benefit greatly from the new AIFC mechanic

[craggy cave]

i really wanna know more about the reworked nukes

[fresh cedar]

DDAY is actually possible for AI now

[wise oxide]

bro i never said that

[silk jacinth]

Ingame miles are treated as tactical nukes

[fresh cedar]

If Asa can get a tree anyone can

[silk jacinth]

I know but still probably a small one would be neat

[wise oxide]

maybe in a better world paradox will make regional shared focus trees

[silk jacinth]

Which is not how nukes were treated in ww2

[silk jacinth]

Kinda like Nordic pact thing for

[obtuse ingot]

Something about building “wonders” for specific civilizations

[wise oxide]

like baltic and ethiopian releaseables

[fresh cedar]

Watch them remake Mongolia, Tibet, Bhutan, Sinkiang and Tanna Tuva. Call it like “Masters of Steppe and Mountain”

[silk jacinth]

Ohhh

[undone kelp]

I’m curious to see if we’ll get some nuke techs that increase the damage they do.

[wise oxide]

bro you forgot menguko

[fresh cedar]

God I hope they don’t allow you to make your own monuments like Victoria

[undone kelp]

I would personally love to see a revamp of the Chinese warlords with unique paths for China even if they are off the wall.

[wise oxide]

sinkiang has a tree

[wise oxide]

its shared and tiny but still

[silk jacinth]

Have a rework of Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Netherlands and call it “oops forgot about these ones DLC.”

[undone kelp]

Guangxi Clique should not have the same path as the ROC.

[silk jacinth]

All warlords do I think???

[obtuse ingot]

Become the Great khan

[undone kelp]

Return of the Khan

Or Khan’s Revenge

[obtuse ingot]

The Khan’s Wrath

[fresh cedar]

So did Germany and Hungary

[undone kelp]

Bonus points if we get a Mongol throat singing OST with the DLC

[fresh cedar]

China in general is pretty bad compared to other regions

[silk jacinth]

Have it be a pre order bonus

[fresh cedar]

Just content quality wise

[undone kelp]

China suffers from early DLC syndrome

[wise oxide]

japan and china have some of the worst trees

[obtuse ingot]

I would love if they could take the model of HoI4 and apply it to other history wars

[craggy cave]

judging from this, yes

[fresh cedar]

Waking the tiger, more like waking the crippled cat

[craggy cave]

Thermonuclear = Hydrogen bombs

[silk jacinth]

Together for victory, more like together for defeat

[obtuse ingot]

Hoi: Blood of the Revolution

[undone kelp]

So looks like we’re winding up with the Ivy Mike by end of game then

[fresh cedar]

Chinese Waaghs with new AI will hurt atleast

[undone kelp]

Megaton scale nukes confirmed I guess

[obtuse ingot]

Hoi: 1775-1783

[craggy cave]

yes. This is why im dying to know, how and in what capacity nukes got reworked

[fresh cedar]

They said you can use heavy water or uranium refining for nukes too

[craggy cave]

because Hydrogen bombs are purely Strategic

[undone kelp]

Korea is another nation I can see getting its own focus too.

[fresh cedar]

Does anyone have an idea of how nuclear torpedoes will work? Will it just nuke coastlines and flood them with radiation or can you delete enemy fleets

[craggy cave]

oh yeah i remember

[tardy flame]

I see no reason for HOI5, unless they develop a new engine or find one with improved performance, otherwise everything can be done in hoi4. what tech or things will they utilize, a new DX version? if there's none, its will be just a a reskin of hoi4.

[craggy cave]

no idea about that as well

i remember reading, that nukes will be covered in the raid dev diary, that was supposed to be today

[fresh cedar]

Watch nuclear torpedoes delete a perfectly setup 100 stack fleet

[craggy cave]

i hope that it will be exactly that

[undone kelp]

They were envisioned as anti-fleet weapons for submarines IIRC

[craggy cave]

fleet stack meta dead

[undone kelp]

They gonna force us to actually disperse fleets

[fresh cedar]

I thought nuclear torpedoes were intended to make radioactive tsunamis to clear coastlines before an invasion

[craggy cave]

no, thats the russian one, that was developed in like 2012

[obtuse ingot]

Effects: The primary destructive mechanism of a nuclear torpedo is the shockwave created by the explosion. This shockwave can crush submarines and surface ships even if they are not directly hit by the torpedo. The radiation and thermal effects of the nuclear blast can also damage or destroy nearby vessels. The explosion also causes massive underwater disturbances, which can disrupt naval operations across a wide area

[undone kelp]

Nah, they came about in the 60s when they realized that wasn’t really practical by then

[craggy cave]

i think

[undone kelp]

The logic behind a nuclear torpedo is kinda the same as the logic behind the Nike nuclear SAM

[fresh cedar]

So it’s just a dedicated fleet delete button 😦

[undone kelp]

yes

[fresh cedar]

Nukes are gonna be scary

1950’s fighting USA will just be getting peppered by nukes

[craggy cave]

its even more scarry knowing, that the AI will use those

[obtuse ingot]

HoI5: Global thermonuclear war

[fresh cedar]

Wonder if an AI will nuke its own land occupied by an enemy

[undone kelp]

Also, the presence of dedicated SAMs now also implies 1st Gen air to air missiles and ATGMs

[fresh cedar]

Get the US to nuke the Statue of Liberty itself

[tardy flame]

https://tenor.com/view/from-the-screen-to-the-ring-the-the-pen-to-the-king-ksi-gif-12257927774644906851

[silk jacinth]

Also was today’s dev diary gonna be about raids?

[fresh cedar]

Nope, they swapped it

[tardy flame]

they changed

[fresh cedar]

With small features*

[silk jacinth]

Ah

[tardy flame]

no

[obtuse ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/terminator-terminator-2-arnold-schwarzenegger-judgment-day-skynet-gif-7405932669297095694

[silk jacinth]

Small features

[tardy flame]

today was originally raids

[undone kelp]

#JustBelkanThings

[silk jacinth]

Osea must burn

[fresh cedar]

Really really cool how horses have diversity now too

[undone kelp]

I’m almost curious if nuclear cannons will be on the table too.

[fresh cedar]

Davy Crocket

[obtuse ingot]

Space travel

[fresh cedar]

Let me land on the moon as super Brazil

[craggy cave]

i found some sneaky information on some thread lmao

[undone kelp]

Oh no, I mean as an addition to the existing techs.

Stuff like the X-7 ATGM was developed from the X-4 missile used in limited amounts during the war, and the X-7 eventually was refined post-war into the SS.10.

[craggy cave]

ah i see

[obtuse ingot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

[craggy cave]

there will be more special projects in the future (supposidly)

they apperently had way more in mind

but due to time contraints had to cut some ideas

[fresh cedar]

What paradox doesn’t sell today it will sell tomorrow. Wouldn’t worry

[obtuse ingot]

🤔 Atlantropa… but it’s Indonesia?

[undone kelp]

Oh there’s a ton of stuff to go off of for WW2 and early Cold War projects

The Nuclear Engine special project has me thinking nuclear powered ships, but also possibly nuclear aircraft engines.

Bombers with unlimited range.

[craggy cave]

there is some people on the this thread, that were saying that they dont want cold war stuff in the game

for soem strange reason

[undone kelp]

Take it a step further and recreate Project Pluto, the nuclear powered cruise missile

[fresh cedar]

Game goes until 1948 but with the new special projects tech wise into mid 1950’s

They said they may add more late game content but want to prioritize WW2 first

[craggy cave]

60s even, if we count ICBM

[fresh cedar]

Forget on which dev diary thread

[undone kelp]

Eh, the first ICBM didn’t enter production until 1958-1959 or so.

Still 50s tech, albeit late 50s.

[fresh cedar]

Started to get made in 1956-1957 but yeah pretty much 1960 tech wise

[craggy cave]

also nuclear warheads for missiles minituarization

when was that achieved?

[obtuse ingot]

Kinda want early game content… maybe 1933

[fresh cedar]

I’d rather 1950’s than early 1930’s

Just for Korea and colonies starting to break off

[craggy cave]

yeah. i'd appreciate lategame content

expand hoi into early cold war

[fresh cedar]

1946 start date 😤

[undone kelp]

Maybe 1st Gen IFVs too? Stuff like the BMP-1 for example

[obtuse ingot]

Paradox Buy Ex Vio game studio

We get Cold War game then

[fresh cedar]

I just wonder how the Soviets will respond to the tweaked German AI

Most of the time Germany seems to stomp the Soviets

[craggy cave]

arent the ai changes for every nation?

[fresh cedar]

Yes they are. So in theory could defend against offensives ig

[undone kelp]

Maybe one day we’ll have a revamped Intelligence mechanic that isn’t dead boring to use

[craggy cave]

might wanna wait for the raid mechanic to be explained

i feel like, that will tie into that

[fresh cedar]

Right, probably adds a lot to intelligence agency