I thinks its either an Italian puppet government or something representing one of ethiopia's more powerful nobles
#latest-updates
drowsy plank
Or third option both at the same time, an Ethiopian noble that takes Italy's side that you can reward for that action
quasi root
Ah, thanks
soft panther
@zenith scaffold
when do u think the new dlc will be releasee
Released
October November?
oops wrong ping
soft panther
Less intense than no step back
new dlc comes out every like 10 months
solid gyro
Most people take 3 weeks - 5 weeks. Not 3 months
twilit trout
So November then?
solid gyro
I never said that
surreal spade
Clearly it will come out yesterday lads, I don't know why you are getting fussed on this
tardy creek
so october
nocturne lava
Next year?
tardy creek
this year
nocturne lava
It was a joke 😅
shrewd marsh
It was a free state I think
misty swan
It was a free state I think
yes
quasi root
aussa isn't the capital
It’s a capital
tardy creek
It was a free state I think
its a pro italian goverment
shrewd marsh
its a pro italian goverment
No it was a free state that was put into ethiopia after the war
dire hornet
So, going off logic stated above that a new dlc releases every 10 or so months. My guess is we get by blood alone in December/January.
scenic holly
If its every 10 months isnt it September/October!
queen hatch
Should I hold my breath till the next dev diary drops
surreal summit
what i'm getting here is that there were just this random state that existed and were annexed after the war bc of course
wait nvm
it says succeeded by italian east africa
yea they supported italy in ethiopia and were annexed by them in 1936
tbh i really like that ethiopia and switzerland are getting content
africa is barren with content and switzerland could add an interesting new dimension to ww2
visual willow
and apart from albania and austria they are also the only fitting countries that still need trees
unless we count reworks
surreal summit
idk if austria and albania will ever get content bc they're (supposed to be) annexed immediately
and iirc there was more support and opportunities for habsburgs in hungary rather than austria which is why hungary was selected to be austria-hungary by the devs
visual willow
idk if austria and albania will ever get content bc they're (supposed to be) ann...
and not ethiopia?
ethiopia starts at a war that even the ai will win in a little bit
surreal summit
true
visual willow
austria has quite a past and you could definitely put in atleast compromises like austria becoming a puppet and remaking the austrian empire
or rome protocols with italy
albania uhhh idk i dont know their history
surreal summit
king zog seems like an interesting guy
iirc there were a lot of assassination attempts on him
visual willow
yeah but what more lol, you can't just have a focus tree with 70 days assassination attempts focus and nothing else
surreal summit
the only interesting thing i can see albania doing is balancing italian influence
kind of like the trading mechanic with the dutch
and we could also have yet more government-in-exile stuff
i believe albanian partisans were quite powerful in the later stages of the war
visual willow
the only interesting thing i can see albania doing is balancing italian influenc...
doesn't sound like an all too much exciting focus tree
surreal summit
yea i don't want the devs wasting their time on albania
the countries i want to get content the most would be brazil, iran and sweden
and if the baltic could get focus trees then finland should too
visual willow
finland should get a focus trees with the nordics
and hopefully that is next dlc, and then they should really focus on updating older trees
surreal summit
like japan
and china especially
xibei san ma, shanxi and sinkiang could turn out to be very interesting warlords
considering sinkiang's relationship with china and the soviets, much of the ma clique being islamist, and shanxi being ruled by the modernist and efficient yan xishan
visual willow
the commonwealth, upper balkans, and asia
surreal summit
india's focus tree is also bugged if you get independence
visual willow
the commonwealth, upper balkans, and asia
and honestly USA and germany by then would be seen as a tad dated too, USA especially should get better alt hist stuff
warlords should also be slightly more different though idk how
tame crag
Finland needs a focus where you can declare greater finland
And later
Uber finland
Finland casually pulling an uno reverse card and annexing the soviet union
gentle willow
yeah but what more lol, you can't just have a focus tree with 70 days assassinat...
Yes you can
I mean if they have the former Italian focus tree, you can definitely have just that
And nothing else
gentle willow
austria has quite a past and you could definitely put in atleast compromises lik...
Yeah, they could do a cool system with Austria to be realistic like staying independent longer to buy time but having to make sacrifices to Nazi Germany such as being forced to appoint pro-Nazi members in cabinet or whatever.
visual willow
Yeah, they could do a cool system with Austria to be realistic like staying inde...
They where already forced to do that pre-anschluss lol
visual willow
I mean if they have the former Italian focus tree, you can definitely have just ...
which is horrendously outdated....
gentle willow
<:haHaa:911393398211117107> which is horrendously outdated....
Yes, exactly the point
If they did manage to do it before, you can have one new focus for Albania for that reason…
gentle willow
They where already forced to do that pre-anschluss lol
Exactly, if it is before the anchluss, it lets you have a cool system to play with and make choices. Do you want to be attacked militarily with no allies or buy yourself some time by making those sacrifices. Would be a fun system.
But the longer you buy yourself some time at existing, your government becomes weaker and weaker
visual willow
Yes, exactly the point
Oh didnt know you meant it like that mb
visual willow
Exactly, if it is before the anchluss, it lets you have a cool system to play wi...
Aslong as the AI plays it extremely passive, so that wven on unhistorical with historical germany they still join almost all the time
Maybe even an "ai only path" like chzechoslovakia where you submit completely
Though it has to change a bit if germany goes alt hist
gentle willow
Yeah
visual willow
going for autrian empire as germany's puppet should then be allying with the empire and such
not puppet though
denubian democracy if they go EU and such
if germany gets a communist path then uhhhhh idk
open delta
If austria We're to get a focus Id hope it to not be The regular Austria-Hungary
And if It we're to be Interesting to further expand austrofascism
would be very epic
visual willow
If austria We're to get a focus Id hope it to not be The regular *Austria-Hungar...
there will be an austria-hungary path, definitely
hopefully not the one we have now
open delta
I know and That's Just boring
I want myself some HRE And austrian empire
why have a dual Monarchy when you can have one
visual willow
hopefully not the one we have now
but something like it, definitely
visual willow
I want myself some HRE And austrian empire
austrian empire should be the big fascist path, austria-hungary monarchist
HRE also monarchist
solar yacht
austria fascist path should be the annexation of Nazi Germany, Hitler would remain as head of the government as he was austrian anyway.
reverse anschluss
open delta
Fascism should focus more On the Austro-fascism
visual willow
soooo
on austrian fascism? 
open delta
No that's Is real
visual willow
yeah, still
open delta
Or Fatherfront It's called
It has two Names I guess
Father front Is Somewhat better then Austrofascism
gentle willow
Oo yeah
solid gyro
All dlc server id 90160928676471815
brisk zenith
there will be an austria-hungary path, definitely
One of the reasons i dont see it getting a focus tree, all but a few of its alt paths aren’t represented
id be weird to have another austria hungary tree when the other one is going
Or pact of rome
or whatever alpine confederation switzerland will have
id also be mugging us of more new content smh like albania or begium focus tree in europe
silk garden
yea and we dont want another generic commie path
soft panther
whats tomorrow's dd gonna be about
silk garden
plane designer i hope
soft panther
i hope alt history italy
soft panther
plane designer i hope
didnt they already go over that
silk garden
did they
brisk zenith
didnt they already go over that
No it didnt
soft panther
yes they did
silk garden
no they didnt
soft panther
they did something about air changes
silk garden
ye but not plane designer
visual willow
id be weird to have another austria hungary tree when the other one is going
Make checks so that only one of them can remake austria-hungary then? It shouldnt be the same way anyways, as the hungary tree is dated. And ofc it should work different rhen other trees which do about the same to austria
And the new italy tree will share the stresa front focusses with france so uhh
prisma wing
I hope Italo Balbo in alternative path for Italy 😎
shy shore
Dev diary
twilit trout
Ok
I’m intrested to see what happens if you let the pope take control
Papal States perchance?
shy shore
I was thinking that. He was a bit of a wimp historically.
surreal summit
I hope Italo Balbo in alternative path for Italy 😎
very prob not
visual willow
yeah seems unlikely
quasi root
I was thinking that. He was a bit of a wimp historically.
Which one exactly? Pius XI was no wimp
shy shore
The one who didn’t denounce facism in Italy or Germany.
quasi root
Pius XII may have had some controversial moments but he was a part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler
Watch this mini series if you’ll have the time
shy shore
There’s dog political advisors for Italy..
quasi root
The Abolish Colonies focus is interesting
I don’t see how Ethiopians or Libyans would agree to becoming a integral part of Italy no matter how much regional development you did
harsh hull
Finally, a releasable Italian East Africa
quasi root
Eritreans and Somalis on the other hand
surreal summit
The Abolish Colonies focus is interesting
a new dev diary got released?
what is it with hoi4 and teasers lately
visual willow
they put them out weekly now
frigid oxide
Yet no Victoria 3
soft panther
wiat no papal pathway?
quasi root
Best I can do is Christian Democracy
Wait, nvm there’s still hope
Maybe strengthening the Papacy will do it
quasi root
Fascism—>Oppose Mussolini—>Monarchy—>Absolute Monarchy
mortal thunder
where can i find change notes for pdx launcher?
wet marten
I imagine you could try and find it in the wiki.
amber jacinth
Look at the full focus tree
There's more papal stuff under strengthen the papacy that they didn't talk about
It's low resolution but you can definitely make out the words "Deus Vult" and "The Holy Lands" in there
The first focus seems to be mutually exclusive with mare nostrum so it's definitely its own dedicated path
amber jacinth
If anyone can figure out what the other focus names are that would be good since I can't seem to make them out
amber jacinth
Looking at it closer the first focus might be "The Papacy Regency"
wet marten
Does anyone know when the navy rework is expected to come out?
I couldn’t find it in the dev diary.
soft panther
bruh navy is quite irrelevant in bba
it's about the air force
man the guns had some for navy
wet marten
Did you not see the navy rework dev diary?
soft panther
no
wet marten
It was released before any bba dev diary. I’m just wondering if it’s coming out with bba or not.
visual willow
Highly likely it does
visual willow
Did you even look at the devlog
soft panther
what did they say
visual willow
Yeah that is what i mean
quartz bronze
what even is a devlog
The dev diary
soft panther
yes I did
brisk zenith
Make checks so that only one of them can remake austria-hungary then? It shouldn...
yea but imo its a waste of new content if so many have already been done and are being done again, id rather prefer and prob paradox as well countries with whole new ideas not introduced yet
visual willow
How could an austria tree not have new ideas, like dealing with germany
open delta
austria has much potential
especially with all of It's history!
have like 1000+ Years of Possible things they can Pick out from Austria's history
open delta
We'll the Father front has a lot of Possibilities
Also kind of same for Italy
Outside of the roman empire
amber jacinth
Look at the full focus tree
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are called except one if anyone has any ideas
neat jolt
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are c...
Catholic Reform
unborn iron
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are c...
CJ possibly Catholic Reform?
Ah. You found it already
amber jacinth
yeah i think so
i imagine you get this path by pushing the balance of power all the way towards the pope after which the path appears
sonic canopy
I didn't know they were adding the vatican
amber jacinth
i doubt the actual country itself will be represented on the map though it would be nice to have all the microstates one day
sonic canopy
I now have hope for liechtenstein in the base game
unborn iron
Swiss Need Religious wars Yez
amber jacinth
i wonder if the italian papal path will have any interactions with switzerland for the swiss guard
would be cool
unborn iron
Swiss Marco Polo Bridge incident, Some Italians shoot a runaway Sheep and it causes war
soft panther
i imagine you get this path by pushing the balance of power all the way towards ...
pius XII
iamgine how cool it would be
light yellow italy maybe
lunar notch
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are c...
what country is that?
amber jacinth
italy from the new dev diary
amber jacinth
seems to be a hidden papacy path for monarchist italy
since the path doesn't show up in other images it's probably like anastasia for poland where it's hidden at the start
soft panther
since the path doesn't show up in other images it's probably like anastasia for ...
thats a good prediction
gentle willow
I now have hope for liechtenstein in the base game
They have a mod for that, but sadly it isn’t a feature in the base game.
tame crag
Based papal state conquering all of europe and jerusalem
limpid gate
Balo
silk garden
the CLN
past stratus
Italo Balbo
or
Dino Grandi
Napoleon the VI
open delta
I believe the papal States may Or may not have something to do With the HRE Or maybe some sort of War to reunite Catholic Dominions Which Is Most of Western europe
But I think the HRE Might be More Plausible
visual willow
But I think the HRE Might be More Plausible
i dont think it would be hre, hre was never really all that italian
open delta
I mean true
visual willow
also coring all catholic states seems..... both memey and quite a bit too powerfull
open delta
We'll if we're talking of all catholic states It should probably Only be In Europe as It would be quite the Pain to go to different continents to achieve one single focus
unborn iron
To Jerusalem
mossy matrix
if you zoom in really far you can make it out
analog coral
?
south silo
also coring all catholic states seems..... both memey and quite a bit too powerf...
Imagine coring Philippines as Italy
surreal spade
I think a Catholic crusade faction would make more sense
drowsy plank
Like you might be able to empower the Mexican catholic front, support the monarchist in the Spanish civil war, assist the Polish, etc.
lofty vector
i dont think it would be hre, hre was never really all that italian
you can probably use lombard history to correlate it but idk if they will do it
serene quest
I'm curious to see the full roster of generals, i just hope they didn't miss anyone important
Also i wish the put prince Aimone as an admiral and also fix the poetrait of giuseppe fioravanzo
urban urchin
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are c...
definitely picking that path
coral tartan
I think I've figured out what most of the focuses in the hidden papal path are c...
i think it's catholic reform
wind iris
Papal State in Hoi4?
brittle pulsar
Papal State in Hoi4?
yes pls
brittle pulsar
this is Italys's tree?
full wyvern
Dang no Swiss communism
quasi root
That’s sad
visual willow
ig that there just simply isnt enough historical communist swiss people with actual plans
shy hornet
i love how it takes 70 days to ban communist party when u can get rid of it with a simple decision
solid gyro
i love how it takes 70 days to ban communist party when u can get rid of it with...
Yeah I should probably reduce that. I haven't touched that mini branch in a while
quasi root
ig that there just simply isnt enough historical communist swiss people with act...
I mean the Baltics also were fiercely anti communist and a lot of communist exiles lived in Switzerland but I agree, it’s better not to get a boring communist tree since there’s only so much to do when surrounded by three majors that all are/turn fascist
quasi root
Yeah I should probably reduce that. I haven't touched that mini branch in a whil...
Maybe you could add a negative modifier to acceptance of communist diplomacy to the spirit
Also for Switzerland there could be a Red Cross national spirit
It could add more trickleback and make adding field hospitals cheaper to add as support units for Switzerland
silk garden
if they added a BEAR king to poland they should add lenins ghost for switzerland
hidden path "calls from the beyond"
"lenin is young again"
solid gyro
I know I might sound like a nerd but why is Stepan Bandera leader of fascist OUN?
Stepan Bandera was a nationalist and leader of OUN-B, but he fought against both funny moustache men and it's better to assign him to democratic or non-aligned
On the other hand, Andrij Melnyk was a fascist and leader of OUN-M
flat rover
Idk but Bandera L
solid gyro
Kost Levytsky as a politician would be long gone by the time
solid gyro
Idk but Bandera L
He just got unlucky
solid gyro
Yeah the Wolynian maasacre
flat rover
yeah
solid gyro
But he wasn't responsible for it
He was in a concentration camp
The people decided to do that themselves
And Germans used the moment to do a little trolling
flat rover
UPA wad formed by Stephan Bandera and UPA did Wolynian maasacre
flat rover
But Bandera formed UPA, and UPA killed 50 000–60 000 poles
flat rover
UPA was created to sabotage Poland
solid gyro
When he was giving orders he was either boycotting Polish government for autonomy or assasinating Soviet tops
quasi root
“Every dead Pole is a meter of a free Ukraine” - Bandera
solid gyro
UPA was created to sabotage Poland
UPA was created to boycott Polish government for autonomy or independence of West Ukraine
solid gyro
“Every dead Pole is a meter of a free Ukraine” - Bandera
Yes because the Poles were oppressing Ukrainians like "bro you're just us but brainwashed"
flat rover
Here
flat rover
Bro but Poland claims this teritory
solid gyro
Literally annexed it
flat rover
Its like 1400
solid gyro
In early 1910's it was West Ukraine
quasi root
Yes because the Poles were oppressing Ukrainians like "bro you're just us but br...
Having Ukrainian as a official language in these voivodeships doesn’t sound like oppression
I don’t see how killing civilians will solve what the government may have done
flat rover
Line B is right
solid gyro
solid gyro
Having Ukrainian as a official language in these voivodeships doesn’t sound like...
There wasn't even Ukrainian schools
flat rover
Because Lwow was Polish for the most of its history
because this was Polish teritory
quartz bronze
I don't see how this has to do with the dev diary
flat rover
💀
soft panther
this dev diary was super short
solid gyro
I don't see how this has to do with the dev diary
We were arguing why Bandera is claimed to be fascist leader in HOI4
solid gyro
because this was Polish teritory
Alright fine it was
Let's end the territorial argument here and get back on old topic
flat rover
Ok fine
flat rover
We were arguing why Bandera is claimed to be fascist leader in HOI4
To be honest idk💀
solid gyro
Bandera was a minor terrorist
But he opposed the fascists
And fought only for Ukrainian independence
quasi root
this dev diary was super short
I mean, only one path that is not democratic was presented so obviously it’s short
solid gyro
Why question it
quasi root
Minor terrorist killed 50 000–60 000 poles?
It was more btw
solid gyro
It's long gone in history and we should forget that
Stalin killed more than a million Ukrainians but he is still favoured
quasi root
Those who forget history are bound to repeat it
balmy salmon
It's long gone in history and we should forget that
definitely no
solid gyro
definitely no
Okay I meant forget we discussed it
flat rover
Ok, its latest-dev-diary chanel
solid gyro
Anyway
I just want the devs to fix this little error because Andrij Melnyk was a Nazi collaborant
And an OUN-M leader
That's it
End of conversation
warped stream
I don’t see how killing civilians will solve what the government may have done
let me guess ukrainian person too?
quasi root
No, I’m Polish but we ended the discussion
quasi root
Thanks, man. We support you but we need to remember our history
warped stream
wdym
clear cradle
wdym
basically they made a argue about bandera being a fascist in hoi4 and it went onto UPA and Wolynian massacre
and argue went on about was bandera responsible or not
warped stream
basically they made a argue about bandera being a fascist in hoi4 and it went on...
about UPA i know but what is Wolynian massacre?
clear cradle
they also talked about whether poland had rightful claims on lviv or not
clear cradle
about UPA i know but what is Wolynian massacre?
1942 in wolyn ukrainian killed estimately 50-60k poles
warped stream
1942 in wolyn ukrainian killed estimately 50-60k poles
where is wolyn
if it is a city
i don't know
warped stream
wait right google maps
warped stream
k
clear cradle
did you found it?
warped stream
ye
clear cradle
they even made whole movie about it
warped stream
who
warped stream
Don’t watch it at night
me who has 11 PM: of course....
jk
i won't watch it at night
if it so scari
solid gyro
Why doesn't Switzerland get a Communist path?
Or even an Amarchist one, it would make alot of sense
visual willow
Wut, how
solid gyro
I just heard that Switzerland goes to war with people noen
Which is just
Unrealistic
quartz bronze
I mean you can have a bear as a king. Sometimes the game is just unrealistic.
soft panther
Why doesn't Switzerland get a Communist path?
one of the devs replied to that queation
they were going to but they ran out of time
and historically they couldn't find anything top relevant
too*
but they said swiss will still have some contents for the communists
solid gyro
Makes sense
What about anarchism? Idk if there were any movements but it would make sense for Switzerland
Or some sense
Maybe a devolution of the Federal system
solid gyro
I just heard that Switzerland goes to war with people noen
Welcome to non-historical
Not meant to be historical
solid gyro
I mean you can have a bear as a king. Sometimes the game is just unrealistic.
That's an easter egg, it's not like there's a Focus Branch dedicated to Wojtek... yet
solid gyro
What about anarchism? Idk if there were any movements but it would make sense fo...
I definitely wanted to have some anarchists, it makes sense for Switzerland since many escaped there after whatever was going in their countries (especially Spain) but again couldn't find the time to do anything meaningful. I do want to have Clara Thalmann in
zenith lagoon
I mean you can have a bear as a king. Sometimes the game is just unrealistic.
But Wojtek
brisk zenith
Why doesn't Switzerland get a Communist path?
To be perfectly honest, it would be just the same as the czech communist path, or the hungarian ones, you would be landlocked in the heart of europe surrounded by non communist haters that when you go to war with them you will be crushed with no assistance by stalin. I say its still good without it
zenith lagoon
And even then, there were very few historically
silk garden
To be perfectly honest, it would be just the same as the czech communist path, o...
i think a cool system for that would be some sort of opposition to war by the workers, like the longer someone is at war with commie/anarchist switzerland and the more casualties said someone takes the workers get less and less happy, strikes and mutinies happen and at some point the workers revolt
so you would only need to survive long enough and kill enough germans/italians/french to have them collapse
ofc that should take 1,5+ years and a crapton of casualties
short needle
Why doesn't Switzerland get a Communist path?
for real
visual willow
Tbf i'd rather have no commie tree if all it would end up being is "join commintern, puppet your neighbours"
silk garden
yea thats boring
join stalin and share research or make your own faction and invite guatemala
solid gyro
There is no communist path
I beleive though they said they would be getting a bit of flavor
solid gyro
To be perfectly honest, it would be just the same as the czech communist path, o...
Probably yes, but Switzerland is bordering France and Italy who have the chance to go communist, but also Switzerland is 10 times as dependable as Hungary is so a Swiss coie path could be fun for late game
clear cradle
There is no communist path
solid gyro
That's for Ban the Communist Party
clear cradle
hm
clear cradle
That's for Ban the Communist Party
may be , i didnt read it exactly
solid gyro
Ye, they talk about it in the Diary, also the next focus is the Nationalist front so communism wouldn't make sense
quasi root
Why doesn't Switzerland get a Communist path?
wet marten
Honestly I’d prefer a small path. I feel like focus trees are too large nowadays anyway.
silk garden
fairly certain you can still just go commie with the advisor
that does have a bit of a nostalgic feel
silk garden
Honestly I’d prefer a small path. I feel like focus trees are too large nowadays...
spains tree prolly the best size-wise
wet marten
Yeah I agree.
silk garden
youll have most of the important stuff done by 40 but you still have a bit of stuff here and there
wet marten
Portugal’s is also really good.
wet marten
I think France was the start of the huge trees.
silk garden
but the new nsb trees are so overwhelming
like as poland ive never gone down more than 3 focuses in the army part
wet marten
It got really out of hand with nsb.
silk garden
yea
wet marten
I need to play more Poland, but I agree.
silk garden
i think the uk tree is also really good
where its a bit of a mix
not seperate army, navy, industry and air force paths like ussr
all in one mix
wet marten
Most modern trees don’t allow a lot of creative pathing, because of the spirits you have to get rid of. I wish there were less spirits.
Uk tree was really good in that aspect. The fortify the empire was a bit large, but it was also pretty powerful so it’s understandable.
silk garden
yea im just looking at the dev diaries for italy here and its like i gotta play a whole second game with the spirits
wet marten
It’s not necessary either. I just wish starting spirits were more like the old ones. Like Great Depression. Takes a while to get rid of, but you only really have to worry about that and undisturbed isolation.
Instead of Red Army, Soviet Airforce, only 3 research slots, the five year plan, the great purge, and cowed by Stalin.
I just wish there was more of a focus on early and mid game, instead of these late game powerhouse focus trees.
silk garden
yea ussr is rly too one-sided
well two-sided
you can do cheesy strat where you kill germany before they go to war with you
or you dont do anything for 4 years
wet marten
Yeah. The only problem with that is you keep arguably the worst five year plan spirit. So they really want you to wait.
But it is a strat.
quartz bronze
but the new nsb trees are so overwhelming
That's just cuz there's a bunch of different paths you can go. Once you pick a path and it cuts out all the other branches then it becomes much more manageable.
silk garden
not even that
these trees are so well made but half of them are just ignored
political and economic focuses take priority
and these military focuses just shift into the background
soft panther
I prefer more contents like nsb than no contents at all like together for victory
visual willow
and these military focuses just shift into the background
tbf even for the "smaller" trees i dont particularly like just speeding up some research anyways, theres almost always something better to go towards except for a few exceptions
wet marten
Together for victory is a bit outdated with mostly research bonuses, but it’s better than an overloading amount of things to take care of. They’re also not nearly as late game focus, besides New Zealand with its 6 research slots.
visual willow
On the flipside, they are also the most boring focus trees that definitely need a rework
quartz bronze
The thing about DoD and TFV is that the historical part of the focus tree seems pretty solid. It's the ahistorical stuff that's lacking.
soft panther
that's true for DoD
but for tfv it's very lacking on every aspects
@quartz bronze
it's literally a small additions to the generic focus tree
wet marten
I think king carol and communist Yugoslavia are very good. Even devolution is good with it being a late game choice while sacrificing quite a bit of early game. I understand that small focus trees are a bit bland, but focuses aren’t the only way to add content.
Waking the tiger has some small focus trees but overall the trees are very well received. I agree though that besides Germany and Manchukuo the a historical paths are lackluster. I would say the warlords are fun, but I know not everybody likes them.
plush widget
Pls, make line of focuses to choose for players like in civ 6 production line. Very easy and needed.
dusty island
Indeed, the Nordics' focus tree would be op
zenith lagoon
?
So that you can set up a chain of focuses: Like when focus 1 finishes you don't have to click focus 2
I don't think it's worth the effort to make
But it ain't bad in concept
Feels like a fine idea for a mod but not for paradox
solid gyro
can it be fixed where France isnt split into 2 after WW2?
like if Free France lands back or its allies and reconquors France then France should have all its land back
tribal knot
guys i got majer banned for being a kid what do i do
strange flume
like if Free France lands back or its allies and reconquors France then France s...
Would be fine to have focus or decision to reunite
Same with Germany
visual willow
Or just code the AI that it would focus to make france to retake all it's colonies and core starting states
solid gyro
that would work
also maybe make it so that if Germany has all its modern day terriatory then it wont release West or East Germany (Depending on ideology) Or just remove West and East German cores if Germany is whole. That way Poland can have its modern borders without either having 2 democratic Germanies or having West and East Germany with German Republic Austria.
solid gyro
also maybe make it so that if Germany has all its modern day terriatory then it ...
Yeah they should do that
silk garden
also give poland bialystok
icy violet
greatttt cant wait to pay 20$ for an ethiopia extension because the dlc is gonna be tied to core game mechanics yay /s
visual willow
just like how the estonia extension is tied to core mechanics either :kappa:
icy violet
sooo funn!!!!!
quartz bronze
I mean that's like almost every DLC.
visual willow
lmfao
quartz bronze
Battle for the Bosporus is like the only dlc I can think of that didn't add any mechanics.
visual willow
unless you count country specific mechanics like how those factions work with bulgarian politics
quartz bronze
I would consider that to be similar to focus tree stuff
And that dlc is like half as much as the other DLCs
topaz kettle
Battle for the Bosporus is like the only dlc I can think of that didn't add any ...
I dislike battle for the bosporus
Greek focuses are really good but turkey sucks
Super overcomplicated focus tree
Too long also
Needs 35s instead of 70 day focuses
quartz bronze
I don't think it's too complicated overall. The only complicated one is the ottoman empire one. My only two gripe with it is that turkey has weak industry focuses and that it takes til like late 40 to get through most of your political trees.
topaz kettle
Its too big imo
quartz bronze
If they had more 35 days it would definitely be better.
topaz kettle
Greek is really good though which keeps me from hating bftb
quartz bronze
I like Bulgaria's tree too.
With those two I'd say it's worth the cost. I'm glad it isn't a full priced DLC. I feel like you get decent value out of the dlc.
silk garden
hoi4 generally needs more 35 day foci
i hate waiting 70 days for a civ or 50 pp and 10% party pop
visual willow
i think that's also more that some focusses just have wayyy too little impact
things like "invite minor X into faction" should definitely all be 35 days though
soft panther
@quartz bronze
does this mean there won't be any new dev diary for ethiopia on Wednesday?
nvm
I thought the avalanche was a dev diary
drowsy plank
Its also very blatantly not fixing most of the actual problems with the current peace deal system
And instead will add other problems
solid gyro
George my beloved
soft panther
plush widget
India need more focuses like china and japan
visual willow
India need more focuses like china and japan
The bri ish commonwealth, not just india
soft panther
lmao
low mirage
Who even plays as india?
unborn iron
If any i'd rather have Japan and Germany reworked first. Since they were major powers in ww2 But their focus trees are outdated af
visual willow
Germany is servicable for now, rather have the even more outdated trees reworked first
unborn iron
The Raj has a newer focus tree then germany, And is played less and Overall Matters less
Germany is one of if not the only Major that isnt expecting or already has a new focus tree
visual willow
The Raj has a newer focus tree then germany, And is played less and Overall Matt...
Wasnt TFV the first dlc ever though?
unborn iron
Yeah, Germany hasnt even got a DLC tho
visual willow
Waking the tiger
unborn iron
WTT Isnt germany
visual willow
Lmfao buddy literally look it up
unborn iron
Its the Countries between the USSR and Germany
visual willow
Upper balkans? That is death or dishoner
unborn iron
Restatement, Just gave germany a monarchy Tree
No Rework or anything, Just a diffrent scenario
visual willow
Yeh, but again, the germany tree is atleast more servicable then some of the other trees
It needs a rework yeah, but still
unborn iron
While the US, USSR, Italy (Soon), Brittain, France. All got Complete new Focus Trees
Only Japan and germany only got an Extention
visual willow
Yeah, but tbf i would say the US's tree isnt really better then germany's
unborn iron
It Definatly is
Half of the German tree is just Demands or Wargoals
The Industrial Tree is Incredibly strong for Germany, But thats really underwhelming for the country all of WW2 Was about
visual willow
Yeah, and it should be reworked, again i'm just saying that it's at the least servicable and other countries wirh even more underwhelming trees should maybe get a rework first
Or alongside, full axis rework would be great (romenia, hungary, germany)
unborn iron
I dont necesarilly agree with that some need a rework first. Just cause Popularity Ratings and overall Importance. Like it would be sad to do South america first if 2000 Players play it. Or Germany if 20000 Players play it. I would then say Do germany, Combine it with some of the other countries. Then update the others later.
visual willow
South america shouldnt even get a tree untill like almost every other country gets one that's up to standards, except maybe brazil on the offchance but with USA and canada too.
unborn iron
Im just questioning tho, What country would still really need a rework more then the Germans, The US tree in my opinion is quite a bit better then germany, Just cause amount of boosts you get. Maybe Japan but their tree Rn is quite strong so i dont really see the need for that Yet. The Balkans still have a somewhat decent focus tree. Maybe Scandanavia.
visual willow
The nordic countries are the only countries rn that really need unique trees
Hopefully after they go for reworks
Tfv, dod, and wtt trees definitely need them
Usa also somewhat in the alt hist department at the least
Though the man the guns trees definitely need rework even less then germany, usa is only roughly on par
unborn iron
I kinda hate how they made pretty much all diffrent Ideology Paths for Majors require civil Wars
visual willow
Lots of them, but honestly for germany i dont even see another way
Coup for commie ussr althist should have higher chances of succeeding, but white russia again idk how they could peacefully go back to monarch
France barely has them
Uk also doesnt really
Usa technically not but you're fked out of your focus tree then
unborn iron
UK indeed can transfer Peacefully, But i think thats more because of the age of its tree
visual willow
Maybe, but honestly the commie and monarch trees dont really need a cw
Fascist one is ok, cause it can go into cw if you screw up
unborn iron
Yeah, Fascism really doesnt for quite alot of countries either, Cause fascism is often just Nationalism
visual willow
A potentional future alt-fascisylt path for germany would likely be without cw though, just a coup
unborn iron
Countries like Japan are an example. Their Fascism is just Incredibly Nationalist
visual willow
soft panther
dev diary in 5 hours
unborn iron
Dont think Tojo was Elected TBH
visual willow
I dont know enough about japanese hisrory in that department tbf
unborn iron
Me neither
visual willow
I only know that they had a prime minister
soft panther
imagine Japan's focus tree with the size of the current hoi4 dev capabilities
visual willow
Would be cool, considering i dont even know that much about them in that time
soft panther
I feel like they will eventually do some rework for germany and japan
visual willow
They better do
soft panther
not anytime soon tho
visual willow
And they likely will
soft panther
they will
visual willow
After they have done the nordics hopefully, cause no other country would be at all more important to give a new tree then
soft panther
they wont leave japan and germany alone while all the other countries get focus tree that are like 4 times bigger
visual willow
Well, austria ig, but countries around austria should be reworked then anyways together wirh austria
soft panther
I prefer reworks than austria
silk garden
same
soft panther
I rly want a japan and german rework
especially japan
since as lucina mentioned germany is still serviceable
visual willow
Yeah same but austria lowkey kinda fits if they rework hungary and chzechoslovakia
silk garden
we need to just go back to la resistance size and style trees
visual willow
Japan should be reworked together with japan and the warlords
soft panther
maybe have some contents about controlling korea as japan since korea was a pain up in their ass
silk garden
new trees are meh bc too much, old trees are meh bc lackluster af
visual willow
we need to just go back to la resistance size and style trees
Bulgaria and baltics tree are better then most of LaR trees 
silk garden
LaR was spain and portugal right?
harsh hull
I’d take a generic tree rework above giving everyone their own unique tree
silk garden
bc those are the perfect-sized trees
visual willow
Soviet tree is good but soviets are too debuffed so you can't really explore the tree all too well
soft panther
@visual willow and it's also super long
silk garden
yea
soft panther
u wint finish the whole thing
but like I said before I prefer more contents to discover than no contents at all like india
silk garden
spain and portugal you have the main things you need done by late 40 or so
visual willow
bc those are the perfect-sized trees
Spain is alr, but it's a tad too linear without multiple specific subtrees like industry, military, etc
silk garden
soviet needs till 41 to get into the things you actually want to get
also five year plan is the most useless thing ever
"heres a free 'fuck you', get 2% factory output a bit later lol"
visual willow
Like FBG said, it's like turkey, just wayy too linear
France is a bit like the soviets, just too debuffed. And the napoleon tree (one of the more popular ones probs) is honestly bad
soft panther
I'm just concerned that Japan might not even get a rework since there's already a dlc for japan
silk garden
actually what am i even saying, uk has the perfect tree
visual willow
They reworked old dlc content in games like eu4 so hopefully in hoi4 too
soft panther
They reworked old dlc content in games like eu4 so hopefully in hoi4 too
well did they for contents that were on old dlcs?
harsh hull
Maybe if they ever tweak their old DLC, they’ll fix that oversight that causes the Dutch East Indies to turn into an Australian puppet after a facist civil war
soft panther
imagine balance of power mechanic for japan between the army and the navy
silk garden
uk is good because 1. all the relevant stuff is tangled up and 2. the less relevant stuff such as, well, mainly research boni are all a bit on the side
soft panther
wait is the balance of power mechanic strictly exclusive for the 3 countries that will be added?
visual willow
We dont know
Maybe for future countries, but i dont want it to be for every country
soft panther
Same
harsh hull
I mean, they cited time constraints for not adding a dedicated communist Swiss path
soft panther
it would be funny if hoi4 starts developing hoi5 after the Nordic dlc
visual willow
I would rather have every countey had a bit more of a unique spin to them, like BftB trees all have a kind of factions system but they all do their own thing with it
soft panther
and stops adding everythinf
harsh hull
I doubt there’d be time to backport an entire new mechanic to older DLC countries
soft panther
Anythinf
visual willow
I doubt there’d be time to backport an entire new mechanic to older DLC countrie...
For future countries i think they meanf
harsh hull
I want there to be a new generic focus tree
But it’s a shared tree like the Warlords
And then a bunch of minor nations get their own mini branches that can just be plugged into the generic tree
silk garden
i wish subideologies did smth
visual willow
Maybe if they ever expend ideologies (not)
harsh hull
Does Guatemala need a full focus tree? No
soft panther
Maybe if they ever expend ideologies (not)
impossible
harsh hull
But I’d like for them to have a Form Central America focus
silk garden
ideologies do need a rework
visual willow
I want there to be a new generic focus tree
Generic trees for areas would be cool. All african nations 1 generic tree, all soutj american nations 1 generic tree
Handy for releasables too
silk garden
why do we even ask for dlcs why cant pdx give us smth for free lmao
visual willow
Dont think something like that would be a "minor" update
Not a dlc though
visual willow
why do we even ask for dlcs why cant pdx give us smth for free lmao
Cause pdx is downright greedy
visual willow
Most Dlcs are barely worth 10 bucks, let alone 20
silk garden
that wouldve been super cool
two ppl controlling italy, ones mussolini ones the grand council of fascism
visual willow
they shouldve made balance of power an mp coop thing imo
That would be stupid, especially for SP
And bcause noone does co-op italy
soft panther
I want a complete perfection for hoi4 before making hoi5
silk garden
yea maybe if they implemeted it for more countries itd make sense
soft panther
maybe something like eu4
visual willow
yea maybe if they implemeted it for more countries itd make sense
Nah, it would lowkey force co-op for those countries
silk garden
hirohito and the military or smth
silk garden
Nah, it would lowkey force co-op for those countries
nah make it an option or smth
silk garden
well maybe they shouldve focused less on making the most overkill trees for the soviet union and italy
soft panther
tbf communist china focus tree is super fun
despite the fact that it's quite small
so maybe just making things blindly big isn't the key
silk garden
exactly
visual willow
well maybe they shouldve focused less on making the most overkill trees for the ...
Making a completely new mechanic that requires co-op would be monumentally more effort then half a soviet tree
visual willow
so maybe just making things blindly big isn't the key
Yeah, but having options is.
Turkiya tree is a good example of it, it's big, but it's so bad cause it's just a straight line.
Same for older trees, which just dont really have much options and underwhelming rewards for focusses
silk garden
expanded hungary tree 500000/10
soft panther
lol 1 infrastructure after doing the pathway focus trees for 3 years straight @visual willow
silk garden
pdx should rly hire the guy whoo made the expanded hungary mod
visual willow
Commie china tree is still... not all too great ngl. The political trees especially is just a tad bland
shy shore
Oh it’s Wednesday. Dev diary please!
silk garden
its wendesday my dudes
prisma wing
👀
quasi root
New focus tree icons, nice
visual willow
...i need fing answers paradox
quasi root
😳
solid gyro
Communism is cool and all
But can Ethiopia legit just annex Italy through their Italo-Ethiopian empire?
manic timber
...i need fing answers paradox
Wut bba has japan rework???
pale thicket
We need a Vatican state in this dlc
grave hollow
What is this mess
visual willow
But can Ethiopia legit just annex Italy through their Italo-Ethiopian empire?
"Italy and ethiopia are better merged, that's why the colony is gonna take over it's impialist overlord"
Total sense
Like the phillapenes annexing the USA
harsh hull
Yeah, an African Union is cool and all
But the generic tree gives 7 percent extra recruitable pop
So, you know
soft panther
@visual willow where is that from
visual willow
what is where from
soft panther
Japan communism focus
soft panther
idfk
visual willow
🤦♀️
soft panther
that's the dumbest irrelevant thing u can possibly add to a country that's half a planet away
fast perch
I wonder if an Italy player should ever accept fascist Ethiopia
Like how do you know they won't revolt?
soft panther
ai isnt smart
visual willow
Like how do you know they won't revolt?
player italy can just place troops near ethiopia
fast perch
Also hoping soviet Ethiopia gets a five year plan
And is rather just setup IEA then deal with a revolt if its gonna be a nuisance
solid gyro
Ethiopia getting a focus tree before Iran is dumb change my mind
lament lake
ok
visual willow
Ethiopia getting a focus tree before Iran is dumb change my mind
ah yes
it would fit so much if italy, switzerland, and iran got a focus tree in 1 expansion
solid gyro
ah yes
it would fit so much if italy, switzerland, and *iran* got a focus tree i...
Fair enough but they should still do a Middle East expansion pack
visual willow
yeah but that wouldnt have fit before any other dlc yet
after BBA it'll likely be a nordics update
solid gyro
Plus they were actually involved in the war
visual willow
and after that maybe middle east but i hope they rework older trees like TFV, DOD, and WTT trees before that
solid gyro
Switzerland was not
visual willow
switzerland was involved technically, just not in the fighting
and iran got attacked by soviets and britain right? afaik the game doesnt make that happen cause soviets and britain dont attack them
solid gyro
and iran got attacked by soviets and britain right? afaik the game doesnt make t...
Exactly why they should fix it or add a expansion pack
They completely broke Iran
visual willow
yeah but it's not iran who attacked first right. it's the Uk and USSR
solid gyro
It’s also the reason Iran is ruled by Islamic dictators today
visual willow
true, and persion empire bollocks too
sounds like they gotta fix the UK/USSR first though if Iran wasnt who caused the war tbf
and i also just dont think the middle east needs a tree before the hungarian, canadian and romenian trees are up to new standards
solid gyro
and i also just dont think the middle east needs a tree before the hungarian, ca...
Plus Iraq joined the axis
And got invaded by the British as well
Sorry it took so long I was fact checking
visual willow
Plus Iraq joined the axis
for like 7 secs right
solid gyro
Still
You could help them if you invade the Mediterranean right as Italy
Or play as them and try to survive
solid gyro
for like 7 secs right <:KEKW:751015759257272391>
I mean most of the Allies only lasted 7 seconds after they joined
visual willow
fair
solid gyro
They should add it soon but i agree revamping Italy was way more important
visual willow
yeah, and i think they said they wanted to do something more special for austria? so honestly these nations somehow make sense
solid gyro
Austria kinda sucks to play
solid gyro
yeah, and i think they said they wanted to do something more special for austria...
You just get anchulased and it’s over
Anschlussed
visual willow
You just get anchulased and it’s over
and as ethiopia you get war'd in 36
austria also has kinda possibility of working together with germany and becoming a puppet of them instead. And germany can go alt-hist too and not kill austria
or reviving rome protocols and get italy to defend you too
solid gyro
With the deficits you have when you start tho there is really no holding Germany back if they do anchusas you
*Anschluss
visual willow
cooporation with germany, germany going althist, getting protected by italy and hungary in rome protocols
and there is also the very low chance of stresa front ig
solid gyro
Yeah but how the hell would you play in historical mode
visual willow
as in, austria doing nothing to prevent anschluss?
same thing as poland when you ignore germany and just pretend they didnt demand danzig ofc
in pure historical Austria wouldnt exist, but neither would Ethiopia and Czechoslovakia
and hey guess which countries have trees-
visual willow
What else could "in 2 weeks" mean
harsh hull
That there will be a dev diary in 2 weeks and that it will be about the new plane designer
Which makes no comment on whether there will be a dev diary the week beforehand
smoky hinge
"The next development diary two weeks from now"
solid gyro
That means there won’t be anything till then
solid gyro
Not sure where you got that idea from
I swear
It was mentioned in the Fascist path of Ethiopia that there would be like a focus to make an Italo-Ethiopian kingdom
I interpreted it wrong
Also what's the the Small red state that is released in Ethiopia?
This is exactly what the focus says. Not anything about annexing Italy straight up
Red is Afar
errant herald
and iran got attacked by soviets and britain right? afaik the game doesnt make t...
im pretty sure theres a focus in soviets tree that allows them to attack iran
in nsb
i mean it literally says in the nsb trailer 'anglo-soviet invasion of iran'
so there has to be a focus for it somewhere
smoky hinge
Yeah it's in the middle eastern diplomacy section of the comitern branch
visual willow
im pretty sure theres a focus in soviets tree that allows them to attack iran
Yeah but does the AI do that
solid gyro
im pretty sure theres a focus in soviets tree that allows them to attack iran
Should happen historically
half thicket
overthrowing mussolini with vatican city (epic gaming!)
smoky hinge
waiting for the meme vatican path
It's there, look at the full Italy tree
silk garden
Overthrowing MUSSOLINI as THE POPE 😱 😱 😱 (WATCH TO THE END) (YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED) (GONE S*XU4L)
errant herald
Yeah but does the AI do that
ive seen it happen before
usually its jst the soviets though
no 'anglo' in 'anglo-soviet invasion of iran'
narrow thunder
nice
rustic musk
so there has to be a focus for it somewhere
mhm, southern thrust or invasion of iran
solid gyro
No idea why Paradox gave Ethiopia so many cool/strong/fantasy stuff which is not historical at all in EU4 and now in HOI4!!
I mean strong/rich history in nation like Arabia , why they don't get this love and attention like Ethiopia? Arabia before Islam got Thamud/Nabataean Kingdom/Qedarites/Himyarite Kingdom/Sheba Kingdom and after Islam this glory: Rashidun Caliphate/Umayyad/Abbasid/Fatimid so they deserve more attention!!
Idea for Arabs in HOI4
You can add something like Amin al-Husseini who was Arab and Muslims leader met Hitler to make Arabian empire in WW2, Read about him and about the free Arabian legion
quartz bronze
No idea why Paradox gave Ethiopia so many cool/strong/fantasy stuff which is not...
I mean they've done similar things to most countries and given them unrealistic stuff. It's just a part of the game. Also Arabia didn't really have as big an impact as all the other countries that have been added. It also wouldn't really fit with any of the themes for DLCs from the past. If there's ever a middle east DLC it'd probably be last.
errant herald
No idea why Paradox gave Ethiopia so many cool/strong/fantasy stuff which is not...
the whole point of the game is to alter history lol
visual willow
how can you have alt-hist without it being technically unrealistic to begin with
errant herald
every country has an alternate history path, and thats a good thing
visual willow
should still be grounded in reality though tbf
soft panther
no one cares about arab
errant herald
i mean most of the non-historical stuff is somewhat based off reality
i think
soft panther
people care about Arabic countries because of oil
visual willow
I mean they've done similar things to most countries and given them unrealistic ...
i could see a middle east dlc before quite some of south america, and heck even the carribean
though i wouldnt mind if they got nothing either
soft panther
that's literally it
visual willow
nepal and such, yeah i dont think they wil get stuff either
quartz bronze
i could see a middle east dlc before quite some of south america, and heck even ...
We don't really need a South America tree. Much less a Caribbean. Like Brazil had some impact in WW2 but that's about it for South America. All that's really left is like a Nordic dlc and then I'd say hoi4 is complete. At that point any other DLCs are just to make more money out of hoi4 which I'm not really saying is a bad thing. I could see Paradox doing some fun stuff with the middle east. There's also siam.
soft panther
nah do some rework
visual willow
I think with "done" they just mean for new trees
Cause there are definitely trees that need reworki g to be put up to standards
quartz bronze
I would like the old trees to be better but I don't think it'll happen.
visual willow
I would like the old trees to be better but I don't think it'll happen.
Sadly yeah
quartz bronze
nah hoi6 is like 2025 kind of thing
Hoi6 would be like 2030.
quartz bronze
I'd say it'd be more like 2035. It's been like 15 years I think since hoi3 and the devs still aren't done with hoi4.
soft panther
Wdym @quartz bronze
I hope the devs are like eu4
they make free small reworks for countries once in a while
quartz bronze
It took them like 8 years between hoi3 and hoi4. It'd be like 2025 until hoi5 and probably around the same amount of time til hoi6. 2035 isn't an unrealistic timeframe for hoi6. Assuming they keep it going that long.
visual willow
They have done it for yugoslavia like, once right? And i wouldn't really say it's BftB standards
visual willow
Yeah but, wouldnt call it exceptional cause tree still bit dated
No yugoslav partisans anywhere, and shouldnt the commie tree lead into united balkan/slavic sfr or something?
soft panther
what's the difference
Between the reworked one and the old one
can someone explain
visual willow
Idk exactly
rustic musk
We don't really need a South America tree. Much less a Caribbean. Like Brazil ha...
brazil and argentina trees would be good
they had at least a small effect on WW2
quartz bronze
Ehh I don't really care too much about it. It's nice if paradox makes one but it's not like those two going without focus trees is that big of a deal
visual willow
Brqzil would be eh ok ig, though they are so isolated
signal shell
I wish they would add more building slots to Africa for by blood alone
Africa is the continent with the least building slots
quartz bronze
I mean it's also the least developed so it makes since
signal shell
But still like maybe something in the Ethiopian focus tree that grants many building slots but requires you to have control of most of Africa and must be done after the African Union focus or something of that sort
visual willow
I mean if you have ALL of africa wouldnt that be enough