latest-updates

[glossy jungle]

I wasn't there for the release since I started playing in january but from the reviews it was really bad

[visual willow]

although "stop playing the game" is a bit more harsh

[visual willow]

the release was awfull, so many problems...
nowadays it's pretty fixed, but i will still say the review status still deserves it

[glossy jungle]

It still took roughly the same time to release, assuming that arms against tyranny will release in september-october?

[visual willow]

the trailer said "autumn" so probably

[glossy jungle]

was by blood alone announced in june?

[visual willow]

roughly around this time yeah

[glossy jungle]

hopefully this release is better

I'm really looking forward to playing sweden and seeing their alt history paths

[visual willow]

the market is something i'm most looking forward to

i hope it's not too expensive so i can just completely ignore some things to put mils on lol

[glossy jungle]

I think it might take some getting used to for me at least

it sounds good though since you can sell off excess weapons for civs

[visual willow]

most will probably never be bought

[glossy jungle]

so some random third world country won't buy my 3,000 1936 airframes in 1947?

sad

[solid gyro]

imagine cold war mods after this is introduced ☠️

proxy war battle royale

[placid pebble]

90173407716454406

[visual willow]

With how much they focus that ideology is actually "allignment" they should really just rename it

Either have it be ideology or allignment, you can't have a democracy be part of the monarchies and.... anarcho communes and not the LITERAL DEMOCRACIES because they aren't.... democratic enough ig?

Just make it "allignment" if you want it to be actual allignment

[solid gyro]

they should ad new ideologies

current ideology system is outdated

[smoky hinge]

ok why?

[visual willow]

Can't wait for a mildly welfare focused norway to be labeled "communist" because they slightly preferred the soviets to the allies 🙏

[solid gyro]

ideologies dont make sense

[visual willow]

The only one which would make sense is to have monarchy be it's own thing

Every other possible choice wouldnt be logical

[smoky hinge]

It would be easier to just change it to alignments

When the whole idea is that there's the 3 major alignments of the war, and the 4th side being non-aligned, that makes more sense

Adding more ideologies doesn't add anything

[solid gyro]

not currently no.

I feel like ideologies in their current state are kinda useless

[visual willow]

If i'm a monarchy puppeted nations will be called "duchies" more often

[solid gyro]

they dont have any unique buffs and stuff like that

its not like they need to ad 1000 new ideologies. All we ask for is some logic.

current ideologies are too generalised

[smoky hinge]

Almost like that is the point lmao, this game isn't that deep

[lucid pilot]

allies Which one of you can do live streaming?

[solid gyro]

they should atleast ad subideologies

[visual willow]

Not really

[solid gyro]

Example.

Leftism : Communism, Anarchism, Socialism

Democracy : Aut.democracy, Social-democracy, Liberalism, Conservatism

Fascism : Fascism, Nazism, Nat.bolshevism

Non-aligned : Monarchism, An.Capitalism,

[visual willow]

Democracy is fine, fascist is fine, communist could use a pro/anti stalin/soviet better defined subideology but that's it, non alligned is almost fine and monarchist could by now probably be it's own thing

Then have allignment be it's own thing probably but that probably breaks down on ahistorical

[visual willow]

Hoi4 has no reason to have all those ideologies

Most of these arent even a thing within basegame

[smoky hinge]

It's your brain when you play too much TNO and KX

[visual willow]

You don't need to overcomplicate a system that doesnt get anything from being more complicated

[solid gyro]

Yes there is. Ideologies should have an effect on the country

also

Leftism, democracy and fascism are not "ideologies" They are categories of idologies

[visual willow]

Most of those barely matter still

Hell hoi4 doesnt even have anarcho capitalism

[wary robin]

This is so interesting. I hope they add similar content to Germany when they lose cities like Kiev, Warsaw and Paris

[visual willow]

Semantics

[solid gyro]

it could matter if they changed the political system

[solid gyro]

ik. it was just an example

[smoky hinge]

I don't see the point when this is a war game that spans 1936-45

This isn't eu4 or vicky3

[visual willow]

Mostly for althist

But fascist is fine and needs nothing more

[solid gyro]

[visual willow]

Democratic is fine and needs nothing more except the new AAT nations needing to be democratic because they literally where

Communist is.... almost fine
Anarchocommune spain needs to be communist and pro/anti stalin should be a bit more clear

Non-alligned.... yeah it needs to go away from the "allignment" part because ideology isnt allignment otherwise it wouldnt be called ideology and should instead be allignment with it's own part of changes

[smoky hinge]

Non-aligned's original intent was to obviously mean to be "non-aligned to the major powers" but over the years that's extremely muddled now

[visual willow]

Yeah exactly

[solid gyro]

how can fascism be fine but not communism? "Fascist" ideologies vary alot.

[visual willow]

Non-alligned manages to encapsulate monarchies, dictatorships, somehow more communist then the actual communist, and just as democratic as the democracies

The only thing we are missing is fascist NA nation

[smoky hinge]

My guess it's like that because they don't align with Stalins communism

[visual willow]

Because they already vary a lot and aren't as pro/anti 1 group

[visual willow]

More communist paths ingame can already say "screw you stalin"

[smoky hinge]

Just like me

[visual willow]

Whereas in hoi4 there is much more "yes stalin/no stalin" overall

[solid gyro]

This is so stupid. The fact that japan, italy and germany are all one ideolgy is stupid. Do you know anything about ideologies? Japan, germany and italy were not "good allies". Italy and germany hated eachother due to ideological differences during the war.

[visual willow]

Ok, do you want every single country that was fascist to have it's own unique ideology?

[solid gyro]

no.

As i said earlier.

[visual willow]

Japan should be closer to non-alligned from what i know anyways

[solid gyro]

I do not want new ideolgoies. I want "subideologies" meaning that countries still will be the same "ideology" but the ideologies are more of "ideology groups" and their uniqueness is showcased in the country.

[smoky hinge]

Their government was very close to fascism so I think it's fine

[visual willow]

Even then, point still applies

[solid gyro]

The core ideology could be "Facsism" then subideologies could be : (for example) Nat.Soc and Fascism

[smoky hinge]

Showa Statism is basically Japanese fascism

[solid gyro]

what ?

[visual willow]

A whole subideology for genuinly 1 country and it's puppets would be dumb at best

Sub*

A more pronounced one

Just.... make germany have a "nazi" spirit which makes them dislike countries and countries dislike them

No need for a whole ass ideology that.... lemme count, netherlands, germany, uhhhh chzechoslovakia will use

Austria if they get a tree, maybe belgium

[solid gyro]

well that is what i want but in a different from

[smoky hinge]

Look not even Kaiserreich has subideologies

[solid gyro]

yes it does

xD

m8

[smoky hinge]

Subideologies I meant

[solid gyro]

ah

got ya

does it not?

[smoky hinge]

my b

[solid gyro]

i only play KX xD

[visual willow]

Hoi4 has subideologies but they give like, +10 relations and that's it

[smoky hinge]

The devs were asked about it and they see it literally adds nothing

[visual willow]

Making them more pronounced basically means making new ideologies

[smoky hinge]

So it's not worth the extra work

[solid gyro]

lets agree to disagree

what did you guys think of the Sweden DD?

i thought it was kinda boring. NGL

[visual willow]

It's just the mistly historical DD

Seems good enough

Screwing up the soviets seems like a fun little campaign

[smoky hinge]

Historical DD's aren't wacky like the alt history ones

Tbh for historical purposes it's fine

[smoky hinge]

Also this

The resource changes are interesting too

Straight up bonking Germany's production

[visual willow]

also that bus mechanic seems funny af

[visual willow]

With that french steel i hope nancy is it's own state

Considering the ww1 plans to annex it because of bonkers iron and coal? Deposits

Wait

Nvm read it the wrong way around

[smoky hinge]

I kept doing that

[visual willow]

But damn that is a big overall nerf to resources

[smoky hinge]

I was surprised they slashed resources so much

But I think it's necessary

[visual willow]

Now hopefully they slash the US

[smoky hinge]

Maybe in a future resource rework like what was implied in the DD

anyway

sleeptime gnight

[visual willow]

Nighty

[solid gyro]

From arms against tyranny i need monarchist focus trees for Denmark, Norway and Sweden

[bold steppe]

o

si

[visual willow]

they already start monarchist and unless you probably go communist every tree will be monarchist

[solid gyro]

They’re all democratic states tho

Legit if you wanted monarchy for each tree, it’ll be an alt history tree

[visual willow]

They had kings

That's literally a monarchy

[solid gyro]

Yeah but they’re not in the leadership…

[visual willow]

Sure they werent an absolute monarchy but that wasnt what they asked, they asked for just "monaechy"

[dull tundra]

what's that?

[solid gyro]

Ohh ok

[visual willow]

Constitutional symbolic monarchy is still monarchy

[solid gyro]

Sorry bout that lol

[visual willow]

Good question

Probs something eith overseas trade i assume?

[solid gyro]

i talked about absolute monarchy but i didn't precised that

[paper estuary]

Maybe this could be a step in the direction of making regions outside Europe (Africa, South-East Asia, South America, Middle-East, etc) more economically meaningful in the future? 👀

[frosty oak]

Achievement: The wheels on the bus go round and round!

Or Bussing to Moscow 😋

[drowsy plank]

Okay so German ability to produce literally anything will be crippled in this dlc

And also French ability to produce anything will be crippled as well if it manages to hold their ground against the Germans

Since both have to have over 200 mills to actually fight on by that point and will have to spend over half of their economy buying resources

[frosty oak]

Germany has a strong reason to appease Sweden now, stronger reasons to seize Denmark

I hope they succeed with that prototype thing they teased about with the UK and Germany in Norway cause that would also mean if Germany can’t seize Norway than their economy is doomed

[calm tusk]

love monarchies

[rare relic]

Autumn

[long ruin]

I love the -1 fuel

[hollow lion]

transfering it to Sweden kinda silly

I think it was new ways that distinguished between iron ore and usable iron, but there the feature was incredibly buggy so kinda ruined

[small pike]

atleast there are resource conversions

[jovial drum]

Can i still peace italy as ethiopia after me declining peace and italy declining peace as the focus Peace Negotiations?

[quick barn]

Unless they haven't fired their decision to peace out with you, no.

[lunar folio]

Most well-designed Paradox events

[dull tundra]

norway dev dairy next?

[faint isle]

With the new DLC will the ai buy and sell weapons from the market or not

[solid gyro]

the ai will be as useless as they always were

pdx wont spend money (dev time) on things that arent 100% necessary

game companies have very small margins anyway. if they are not called EA and sell worthless Lotto tickets to 13 year olds

[proud raven]

Anyone know when new dlc Comes out?

[visual willow]

War effort patches:

[lunar folio]

Also like, half of Stellaris' new content

CK3 also had a pretty decent free update with Tours and Tournaments

... we don't talk about EU4 though

[fallen zenith]

The trailer said autumn

[elder brook]

One thing I really hope they change in a future update is diplomacy.. it's so annoying for example if ur playing non historical and a nation in europe joins japan for example and calls them in

you'll be at war with japans faction for the rest of the game since there is no way of dealing with them

would be cool if you could ask for peace deals since japan has no business being at war with romania (just an example) does this make any sense? 😅

as someone who plays a lot of non historical this happens a lot lmao

[spice oyster]

they should tweak AI desire to join certain factions

[elder brook]

that too, like even in non historical, bolivia shouldn't joint the fricking japanese faction

that's a bit bonkers

[spice oyster]

Or if you attack Franco's Spain as Germany they instantly join Japan because there is 100% world tension and Spain and Japan are both fascist

[elder brook]

oh damn XD

yeah that just makes 0 sense, and like how the hell are you supposed to defeat japan in that scenario? you'll just never get a peace deal for no reason

[keen chasm]

Get a non aggression pact with Japan before invading

[spice oyster]

I think that non aggression pact with Japan wont prevent them from joining faction and calling other members

nevermind, you shouldnt be pushed to do certain things to counter AI stupidity

but I understand that it is really hard to code AI to act logically

[idle merlin]

you need spies

[visual willow]

Recon doesnt do that

Also.... why here? Lol

[solid gyro]

What is this abomination

I feel a sheer amount of disappointment and discomfort

[crimson violet]

Why do you got paratroopers to hold the line?

[hollow lion]

@tawdry berrykeep things appropriate

[dapper skiff]

No political tree for sweden?

[harsh hull]

Aside from the one showcased in the Sweden Dev Diary?

Nope

[mellow rapids]

There will be a monarchist sweden

[solid gyro]

And communist

As folkhelmmen was teased i belive

[harsh hull]

Kalmar restoration path, finally

The dream is becoming reality

[mellow rapids]

Kalmar ?

New devblog ?

[crystal crag]

I appreciate the work of the HoI IV Team, but making focus trees is a waste of time. It is because Workshops already have them. What cannot be fixed by modding is how features and core mechanics work, neither can AI, which is highly demanded, and that should be the priority.

[visual willow]

i prefer most new focus trees to the average rt56 tree so eh it's not futile

[crystal crag]

They only make focus trees to make the game look complete. There are new players who play vanilla, and it would look empty or incomplete without all nations having a focus tree.

And out of curiosity @visual willow, what makes Paradox focus trees better than workshop ones?

[visual willow]

then rt56* i specified

and i said the average

with single mods you can't have them all at once that would create a chaotic mess

and then i can't do ahistorical MP

because lets be honest, SP is only interesting if you have a really wacky setting or 1 straight idea. otherwise it's too boring because of how easy it is

[crystal crag]

I don't understand your part with focus trees. Are you saying making all trees at once makes the chaos?

[visual willow]

no having all the singular mods

like 1 mod for a hungary tree, 1 mod for an austria tree, 1 mod for a germany tree
then having them all on at the same time

[crystal crag]

Oh I see. Yes, they have to be connected in some way in order to work. However, most of the played mods do that...

[visual willow]

only decent one i can think of is rt56

other ones have too little or just.... very strange trees

and like i said

i still think the average pdx tree is better then the average rt56 tree

[crystal crag]

Which mods have you tried?

[visual willow]

new ways and uhhh idk the other one

otherwise they are too much under the radar probably

[crystal crag]

New Ways in very early development, it has great potential. R56 trees are fine, so are KR's, KX's. But all mods share a unique weakness, which is incompetent AI, and lack some new mechanics that would give the game a new flavor.

[visual willow]

KR isnt "regular" ww2 so

[crystal crag]

It has a unique setting. But compared to vanilla or R56, it's way more immersive and authentic...

If you've seen a Developer Corner about International Market, that's the way to go. It affects every playable nation in the HoI IV and gives the game a new flavor.

[visual willow]

that's the way to go
sooo nothing different then what they where already doing?

like redoing supply, the designers, peace conferences

[crystal crag]

Hold on, has this been in the game already? Could you benefit from selling your crafted guns to other nations?

[visual willow]

no not the specific workings, but the general idea of wider game improvements

it sounds like this is your first hoi4 update

[crystal crag]

Huh, whatever. I think I have difficulties understand what you want to express...

[visual willow]

ok, so

you want that pdx adds a few things every update that improves the core gameplay right

and not just trees

[crystal crag]

Precisely, because focus trees are done by modders.

[visual willow]

congratulations! they where already doing that!

[crystal crag]

Yes, and my second idea was, that it is a waste of time and other things should be prioritized.

[visual willow]

which it isnt, because the base trees get used enough to warrent their inclussion

[crystal crag]

There was a statistic that the majority of the people play modded games. Among most played mods are R56, KR, KX, Cold War, Millenium Dawn, and Old World Blues.

R56 is the only one storing Paradox trees, but looking at the mod description, about 7 nations have modified vanilla trees. The rest are overhauls. So what will contradict with my statement, that Paradox making focus trees isn't a waste of time?

[visual willow]

old map in the discription, isn't up to date anymore

or some of those have "new focus trees" but the dlc ones are still prefered

rt56 is the only classical ww2 mod among those, so kinda unfair to compare it to entire different scenarios

and like i already said, i prefer the average new pdx tree to the average rt56 tree

[crystal crag]

It still sticks to the main topic, which are focus trees. But if you want a pure WW2 scenario, top 5 played mods are: R56, BlackICE, New Ways, Total War and World Ablaze. Not one mod uses Paradox trees...

[visual willow]

you literally just said that rt56 uses paradox trees

and... they do

[crystal crag]

Read again, I counted 7 nations which HAVE MODIFIED Paradox trees and the rest are overhauls.

[visual willow]

???

did you read mine comment>

lmfao

[crystal crag]

No matter how good Paradox makes focus trees, modders will design their own.

New Ways does it the most. They removed all Paradox trees to make their own.

[visual willow]

countries which i know are pretty much the vanilla tree with maybe a few tweaks: USA, UK, portugal, spain, yugoslavia, bulgaria, baltics except lithuania which is half working, hungary, romania, USSR, poland, warlords, and probably a few others i forgot

i still count a big part pdx trees

[crystal crag]

I agree with warlords, the rest I am not sure, but I know there is an option to select either Paradox or R56 tree.

[visual willow]

yeah and they are preset to what the devs think are the best
every single one i listed, it is the pdx tree

[crystal crag]

Of course they think their focus trees are the best, because they made them.

[visual willow]

do.... do you read? huh

i just said that with some of them the pdx tree is shown lmfao

like with spain, the rt56 tree is an option but by default it's the pdx tree

unless ofc you do not have the dlc

[crystal crag]

I do read your messages, but certainly your syntax and words you use are giving me difficulties understanding you.

[crystal crag]

For some countries, R56 trees are preset instead of Paradox ones.

[visual willow]

yup

[crystal crag]

Alright, I was about to write some other statements, but let's end this. We've discussed and that's it...

[visual willow]

yup, and it didnt lead anywhere because... idk translater problems ig

anyways tl:dr
new pdx trees good, only 2 althist ww2 mods with 1 being wildly unfinished, adn the other average tree<pdx tree
choosing focus trees is irrelevant

[crystal crag]

That's your subjective opinion. But that was the whole point of discussion.

[visual willow]

yeah, but just to sum it up because you seemed to have problems understanding it

[crystal crag]

In the end I understand you, you like Paradox trees and you don't think it's a waste of time.

[jaunty iris]

No thank you

[lyric stone]

monarchy monday?

[eternal wyvern]

Touch grass Tuesday?

[elder brook]

hell naw

hoi4 hednesday 💯

[solid gyro]

will something change for the base game?

[hollow lion]

undoubtedly

[pulsar thicket]

erm.... what the freak

[visual willow]

based viking path

gotta screw over with a terrible leader to get equally outlandish claims

[rapid harbor]

Quisling looks like he ate too much "German Chocolate rations"

Greatest focus in the game btw

[prisma wing]

[muted stump]

Norway got super nerfed

Imagine what happens to Denmark

Like -200% capitulation cap

[visual willow]

you never know how much stuff you actually get from the trees

and even if they got weaker, eh it's more flavour

doesnt make sense that as norway you would be 10x stronger then germany either

and in SP it likely doesnt matter

[muted stump]

What if there’s an achievement to capitulate Norway in 6 hours

[solid gyro]

Ah you'll get stuff don't worry

So far, internally some people struggle and fail to defend and some people can totally defend against Germany which I'll call a win

[floral yoke]

Denmark modifiers be like

• spectators of the great war (-25% division defence, -25% division attack, -25% army experience gain)
• civilian safety ( -70% Surrender limit)
• gamle traditioner (- 35% industrial speed)
• himlen er ikke dansk (-30% air superiority, 30% more fuel consumption for air)
• krigsskibe er dyre (-40% naval research)
• umotiveret hær (-40% division speed)

also the focus tree has

• Husk Torstensson-krigen
  ''The Netherlands will become your ally''

[solid gyro]

Is there a secret path to get Varg Vikernes as leader of Norway?

[muted stump]

I mean Denmark

💀💀💀

[harsh hull]

You know what, I thought the Nordic countries would be the next DLC focus, but if I'm honest, I thought one of them would be left out

Most likely Sweden due to its neutrality, but you never know

So it's really nice to see all four actually being represented

[visual willow]

No reason to leave any out

More then enough dlcs had more then 3 focuses

[long ruin]

don't forget rightful swedish province

[long ruin]

lol wat

theres no way paradox a swedish developer would avoid sweden

its also the one with the largest pop

the most likely to exclude would be denmark

[harsh hull]

Seemed a safe bet, considering they had 8 other DLC and 7 years to do Sweden beforehand, and with Denmark actually being involved in the war

Moot point now, considering they're all being done at once

[visual willow]

in which other dlc would sweden fit

i can maybe see it somehow get into MTG but that's it

[long ruin]

Denmark actually "involved"

it lasted a shorter amount of time than a hoi4 mp game

Denmark is there ig but historical denmark seems so meme tier

[visual willow]

involvement if null too

it's about potentional

and whether or not they just force the country cause it's near a good country

[frosty oak]

I love Norway so much holy shit

I can’t wait to play Quisling at his absolute worst lol it looks so funny

[harsh hull]

Quising: Uses German backing to take Scotland, Ireland, and the entirety of Scandinavia
Everyone hated that

[analog scarab]

Yeah, what exactly is Norway's historical ire towards Ireland that resulted in a focus? Genuinely curious.

[crystal crag]

One more unnecessary dev diary to come (Denmark). Then they can finally continue working on stuff that matters to the game.

Oh no, I forgot they only showed historical paths. So there will be more than two, they should keep alternatives paths in one dev diary.

[visual willow]

You do know that they work on those even if devdairies arent shown right

Devdairies are just for showing, not "look we made this in just this week, with full attention :)"

[crystal crag]

I like dev diares, as long as they are not focus tree-connected.

But unfortunately I realized, that alternative paths haven't been shown yet, which will only prolong unnecessary game stuff.

[harsh hull]

Viking raids from around the 9th century onwards

They were the ones who founded what is now Dublin

[visual willow]

I mean, the update will take just as long 🤷‍♀️

[crystal crag]

Indeed, and in the meantime, players can visit Workshop and grab some Scandinavian focus trees for free...

[visual willow]

So can you with the market?

[crystal crag]

Would you pay for stuff that takes long to develop or immediate stuff for free? And consider the quality about the same...

[visual willow]

I have no clue what your referring to

Anyways

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2778772474

Bam, no reason to look at ANY dd anymore for you 🙂

Problem solved

[crystal crag]

Wow, it seems like they took an inspiration from the Workshop. Actually I was aware of this mod, but never tried it...

[visual willow]

Idk i don't see anything directly

Closest is.... buying stuff using civs as a currency? What else would pdx have made?

[crystal crag]

Nevermind who made the mod first. I'm looking forward to International Market system as it will affect every nation and might change the gameplay opportunities...

[zealous sable]

When will new dlc release

[polar jasper]

Just saying, the Czechs need to be updated as their arms export focus should be updated for the international market thing.

Also weren't they like the number 1 arms exporter until they ceased to exist?

[elder brook]

himlen er ikke dansk LMAOO

why is that so funny to me

banger spirit 🔥

[lunar folio]

Is Norway the only country so far to have multiple historical trees

[young grove]

I wish you could do a historical weserubung as germany without having to deal w/ british navy

[hollow lion]

The British are usually spread out though

[polar jasper]

The British should have just used strike force in the north sea to prevent the germans from making naval landings except Oslo irl

[primal jacinth]

do we know when arms against tyrany is coming?

[spice oyster]

🤣🤣

Use google

[visual willow]

I wonder if they will take the time to update all the "purchase weapons" focuses

I'm guessing not considering quite a few airplane focused didnt work with bba iirc

[visual palm]

Кто Марина?!

[cedar idol]

Which ones? The focus trees I saw just had the research go to the equivalent airframe.

[visual willow]

saw a few posts talking about it on release iirc, all got fixed later

[lunar folio]

Hopefully with war effort they put some proper damn testing into the new DLC

My hopes are low, however…

[visual willow]

bba launch

[solid gyro]

When will HOI4 be on discount again

[solid gyro]

once HOI5 comes out

[hollow idol]

not coming till 2035

[solid gyro]

Rip

[ashen saddle]

that new Norway lookin' good

[spice pendant]

Summer sale will start on the 29th

[solid gyro]

Thanks

[north oak]

Will that include all dlcs

[solid gyro]

If there’s a sale on HOI4 then there’s a sale on the DLCs

[north oak]

epic

[worldly karma]

RealityWrath shit host

[lucid forge]

This new DLC coming sounds like shit tbh.

Someone had to say it.

[mellow rapids]

your opinion

actually scandinavia really needed a rework

[visual willow]

Better designers sounds cool enough

Nordics are interesting enough

I like the trading

[mellow rapids]

actually weapon selling could look good

[lucid forge]

Japan needs a rework way more than Scandinavia

[hollow lion]

Asia is pain to play due to the attrition

[lucid forge]

And terrain.

[harsh hull]

Land wars in Asia are known as the classic blunder

[mellow rapids]

actually japan have a focus tree X)

[harsh hull]

Japan is the new Italy when it comes to majors needing reworked content

[rocky topaz]

When is the sale?

[north oak]

@rocky topaz

[solid gyro]

https://youtu.be/ptOuJtNAw0Y

paradox need to make this a swedish focus imo
-5 war support for the french
if they are democratic communist or bonapartist

[rocky topaz]

Thanks

[limber acorn]

dont buy them from steam, you can get them much cheaper as keys.

[visual willow]

Grey markets are pretty scummy though

[north oak]

How do u mean?

[lunar folio]

Those are graymarket resellers and are not permitted to be discussed here.

[limber acorn]

cheap keys, couldn't care what they are.

[solid sun]

@limber acorn Please stop this conversation

[solid gyro]

На это сервере есть Русские то пиши мне в лс поиграем

[long ruin]

I got mine from humble

[visual willow]

Too bad the last pdx bundle was quite some time ago on humble

[topaz wave]

when finland focus tree will be released?

[hollow lion]

Someone else in here said autumn IIRC

[elder brook]

my guess is September 7th

[hidden ibex]

cant wait for paradox to put hoi4 on a mighty -10% discount on summer sale

[hidden ibex]

i hope its free

[visual willow]

lol, lmfao

[visual willow]

50% for most, 75% for main game, and like 30-40% for NSB

[devout axle]

it will be HOWEVER you will not have access to all of the paths

[gaunt wagon]

Lets go a brokie like me can finally buy hoi4 at the sale lol

[frank zephyr]

do you want the updated krnl its in beta testing rn tho but still good and works

[north briar]

when is the summer sale coming out

[long ruin]

2 days

[north briar]

thanks

[heady steppe]

Can you string infantry equipment?

[hollow lion]

wdym

[plush geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1093271774126424176/1123511927373582396/image0.gif

[long ruin]

Historical Denmark LFG

[muted stump]

Please give an achivement for up to 6 hour capitulation of denmark as Germany

[crystal crag]

@visual willow The new diary about more unnecessary focus trees dropped. Go take a look. I hope from now only real and necessary stuff will be written about.

[visual willow]

uhhh ok?

idk why the unnecessary ping

[crystal crag]

Because you told me like two weeks ago you are looking forward to Paradox focus trees...

[visual willow]

yeah, and?

[long ruin]

I mean yeah historical denmark is useless but the game still needs a base focus tree for historical

[crystal crag]

I thought it would bring you joy. If someone alerted me about some new HoI IV features that just dropped I would be pleased.

[visual willow]

you know it pings everyone that wants to right

[crystal crag]

I read a post a while ago about a new diary that just has been posted, but then I saw it's about Denmark, so nothing for me unfortunately...

[visual willow]

it was clear as day today would be denmark

[dapper fjord]

aayyo.. Danish Carrier.. 😮

[visual willow]

nordics getting trees

[crystal crag]

I agree, it was expected.

[visual willow]

finland-sweden-norway

god jeez i wonder what will be next

giving it a 50/50 between althist for finland or game mechanic next week

and after that more althist

[crystal crag]

what's the rest half?

[visual willow]

wdym

finland alt hist/game mechanic

[crystal crag]

They could finally introduce manpower attrition, so no longer only equipped will vanish in Siberia in minus temperatures...

[muted stump]

How likely is Ireland being in next dlc?

[crystal crag]

Unlikely, but visit Workshop if you don't want to wait.

[scenic holly]

Very unlikely

[visual willow]

as in after AAT? quite unlikely because no potentional

[crystal crag]

If we consider countries that actually participated in WW2, which one should be next according to you?

[muted stump]

is it the last european country with no content after albania?

[muted stump]

Southeast asian countries make sense

[visual willow]

if you dont count releasables there is still austria

[muted stump]

Especially Siam, maybe British malaya

[visual willow]

both countries have just 1 or 2 things going for them so not that mcuh to make a tree for

[muted stump]

Indonesia doesn't make sense because dutch can just go there for exile

[scenic holly]

Perhaps Iraq and Iran

[visual willow]

i mean it's not about participating ww2

it's abouta region and then trees that have potentional

[long ruin]

70 day focus for 1 civ and 10 aluminum(which you only probably keep like 2 of)

if you use free trade

[visual willow]

if you're on free trade you wont stay on it permanently unless your resources suck lol

[harsh hull]

Honestly, for expanding a mine in Greenland?

70 is fair enough

[long ruin]

Historically, Denmark surrendered after two hours of the German invasion (even though fighting took place up to four more hours).

LMAO

[paper estuary]

Mongol focus tree when?

[frozen anchor]

Why tf is "historical denmark" about resistance when our government very much complied, and why would you play as the resistance when we had more soldiers on the east front than we had resistance fighters, historical Denmark should at the very least have the ability to comply with the germans LIKE WE DID letting you play around with the volunteer stuff and helping on the east front

And where is Christian Frederick von Schalburg

[warm elk]

you could improve infastructure to get more though

that'd probably be like 20

the focus isn't that bad ngl

lowkey praying for a Monarchist Finnish path rn ngl

[visual willow]

Low chance it wont be in it considering they nearly became a monarchy irl

Plus the huge monarcho boner

[warm elk]

they were a monarchy for a month though

[visual willow]

They werent

They tried to become a monarchy though and where very far into becoming one

But they werent a monarchy yet

[warm elk]

dang

honestly I'm still hoping for it, bcs I'm really not that interested in maintaining the republic or forming your favourite generic soviet / fascist dictatorship

at this point I may be even more hyped for the Danish focus tree just because of the Welfare system lmao

[visual willow]

So instead you want to form a generic "divine blood!!!" Dictatorship

[warm elk]

kind of a weird way to say it, judging by the fact that European monarchies, primarily the Nordic ones, are more democratic than most republics

( and also the least corrupt countries in the world )

but to conclude ; yes, I do

[spice oyster]

It is interesting that an upcoming DD will be about something that is coming in summer according to devs

[visual willow]

Yeah because their monarchy practically does nothing

A monarchy path in hoi4 is nearly always absolutist

Otherwise it's just a democracy with a +5 stability modifier or something

[slow rivet]

I don't know where this should go, so i am typing it here, but i noticed that the northern half part of the jutland penninsula was called nørrejylland, which is an extremly archaic term even by the standards of the 1940s, i wonder if another term would be more apporpriate, nordjylland would be too limited since it only refers to the area north of the fjord dividing the penniusla, so maybe Jylland would be better, but i am not sure, but in my life in denmark i have never ever, heard anyone ever say nørrejylland

[long ruin]

feels kinda dumb its just free stability for all monarchs, would be interesting if they gave like a -.05 pp modifier

[warm elk]

true

[frosty oak]

They are cooking

So hype that we can develop Greenland too, maybe Greenland will finally be useful beyond being the worst island in the entire game

Also new German states and a useful puppet, German buff?

[copper valve]

Iceland-Greenland-Jan Mayen faction when?

[visual willow]

Depends on how much denmark helps out

It's not like it used to be a ton of resistance

[spice oyster]

new states, two new puppets and one new ally for Barbarossa but they are going to loose some resources

[visual willow]

1 more states doesnt mean a whole lot

[spice oyster]

yes

[visual willow]

Could be that building splots are split aswell, so you wont gain anything

[spice oyster]

it is more like general balance than a buff

[visual willow]

And even if they got 5 more building slots, that would barely do a dent

[visual willow]

Nah it's def a nerf

With the resource loss

[spice oyster]

those resources mean a lot

[frosty oak]

I swear every game I used to have to fight the hardest resistance in Denmark as Germany

[visual willow]

1 bad puppet and 1 extra state (split off from a regular state no less) is barely anything

[visual willow]

Probs because you have the wrong garrisonning law and not enough equipment

[frosty oak]

Germany does have resource loss yeah but also soviets got a nerf with winter war, not to mention in like half of games the Germans don’t even make it past the Stalin line in my games

[spice oyster]

I am really interested in how the AI manages to play out continuation war

I mean how two sides will stand

[frosty oak]

I wonder if they will add more victory points to East Karelia and the Kola Peninsula, soviet surrender limit buff for the 4th dlc in a row?

[frosty oak]

I can’t imagine the Finnish AI will just stop their advance like they did historically, maybe continuation war will simply bog down without the winter war buffs?

[frosty oak]

Maybe tbh that was back when I was learning how to play and didn’t bother with a sea lion before Barbarossa, so I’d have to deal with resistance for more than half a year

[visual willow]

I mean usually you gotta deal with it for the entire game untill the allies do a landing in it lmfao (if they make it to that)

[frosty oak]

Ooo with the changes to danish belts we can do that now too

Also nah now I cap the Allies and just puppet Denmark

[visual willow]

I mean in MP you gotta suck it up and occupy everyone

GL sealioning fast enough

[frosty oak]

Oh true true

I wonder how Norway is gonna work since they said the Norwegian axis puppet coup won’t have cores

Maybe they will make it like Italian east Africa

[spice oyster]

yeah, they said there will be resistance

[frosty oak]

I’m assuming Denmark won’t be like that though given it’s different situation

[spice oyster]

Another thing that interests me is if there will be some measures to make Leningrad siege a thing

[frosty oak]

I thought that was done with the Soviet focus that gives a ton of buffs to Leningrad to hold it half forever

I wish that would have made a strait zone for the Baltic-white canal tho to make that easier

Also all the state buffs from Desperate Measures

[spice oyster]

I dont know but I always see Leningrad falling to Germany if its AI vs AI

[frosty oak]

AI can’t manage a damn thing so yeah that makes sense

Just like how the Spanish civil war is supposed to be a 3 year brutal slug fest but because the republican AI actively self sabotages it ends in a year and a half

Atleast China and Ethiopia are pretty accurate more or less

I hope they make the German AI take its time to prepare for France, I want a phony war but it never happens

[paper estuary]

Y'all looking at it the wrong way
We obviously getting an expansion in the future for Ireland and Iceland
Focus trees will revolve around stationing Axis or Allied troops and promoting turism

[frosty oak]

I wish we could get an Irish and Belgian tree in all this fr

[visual willow]

ireland tree would be weird, they dont really have much to get

a reworked default tree would be enough for them

[nimble torrent]

Inb4 paradox does exactly that and releases it as a dlc full price because "revolutionary content"

[frosty oak]

they probs gonna hire some free lancer who will either make it the greatest nation in all hoi4 (bulgaria) or absolutely miserable (turkey)

[visual willow]

ireland would only be able to do ANYTHING if you give their tree the most godawfully busted navy tree ever

their "neighbours" are france and britain

the only 2 countries with which you can truelly interact qua claims and stuff

which have some of the highest navies ingame

[frosty oak]

idk they made Mexico awesome

[visual willow]

mexico has a southwards expension and the US starts of super weak

and then it's a land war

navy is much more long term

as ireland you can get northern ireland

and then what

[frosty oak]

tbh even fighting the USA early when both its hands are tied behind its back it is still a brutal slog

[visual willow]

is THAT your tree??? a singular state??

[visual willow]

yes, but a brutal slog is something

with ireland?

best you'll get is naval invaded unless you're playing against ai

and then hope they just..... forget their navy

[frosty oak]

colaberaton with Germany to seize Northern Ireland and assist in Sealion

[nimble torrent]

Ireland focus tree:
Continue the anglo Irish trader war potentially crippling the bri'ish economy
Get invaded by the Germans and used as a naval base for conquering the isles
Be abandoned by the Germans and hated by the allies

[visual willow]

how do you want to help germany in sealion

[frosty oak]

a busted navy tree

[visual willow]

that would be extremely stupid

a reworked default tree would be everything ireland needs

[nimble torrent]

Sealion from Ireland is literally like stepping over a pond
You could just walk over by placing a few ships next to each other
/s

[visual willow]

and a few decisions

that's it

[frosty oak]

so is mexico invading the USA tbh

[visual willow]

probably

but mexico has like.... central america ig

not enough to actually warrent a tree but it's something

and a land connection to america

but ireland doesnt even have that

(i'm not counting northern ireland)

[frosty oak]

imma be real, Mexico, Estonia, Ethiopia, Poland, Lithuania, every minor honestly, all have 0 chance against a great power but they still do it cause its a video game and thats fun

[visual willow]

not every minor, quite a few minors have..... ok enough paths that explain why they can somewhat rise and then hold

and have alliances that can actually help them

[frosty oak]

hell even Italy, a "great power" in this game, is cooked in reality but they out here reforming Rome and a busted Mussolini operating 4 different government offices while being Il Duce

[visual willow]

ireland has..... italy? if you want to kill the UK assuming everyone else is going historically

and giving ireland an incredibly stupid navy tree just is too dumb, even moreso then the few countries we already have

you simply can not justify giving ireland a tree ingame tailored to it's specifically to make it do stuff

so, again, a reworked default tree would be the best

[nimble torrent]

I'm just hoping the devs realize that a lot of nations don't need a focus and start bringing the other dlc focus trees on par
For example rn it seems like the only nations that will have focuses that change mio's are gonna be the Nordic ones
Cool? Sure, but what about the others? How will mio's react with Italy's changing designers for example?
How does it make sense that Germany prolly will have a cringe standard tank mio while Sweden or Norway get a gigachad designer?

[visual willow]

it's dumb there is nothing for joining a faction in the default tree anyways

[frosty oak]

they justified giving the baltics a tree and Lithiania and Estonia are fun as hell

Latvia sucks tho

[visual willow]

.....because they have potentional yes

lithuania has polish-lithuania which.... should be a tad harder to get poland

[frosty oak]

how tho they are little forest and swamp lands with 2 people and a cow

[visual willow]

and they can conqour themselves and have fairly defensable land

but ireland has only northern ireland

feasibly conqouring 2 entire countries and getting alliances with 4 others and possibly even more in a land war is completely different then conqouring a singular state and having useless alliances

[nimble torrent]

I mean
They could make it so it's really a subject of the British? Turning them into a support nation or something
But that's quite boring
I'm curious of what major mods like rt56, kaiserreich and kaiserredux have done with it

[visual willow]

that would still be quite barren

"enter back into the commonwealth as dominion"

.....

"do nothing cause you're ireland idk"

a reworked default tree should have a path to join the allies sooo

[nimble torrent]

Inb4 paradox makes an IRA mechanic unique to Ireland in the next dlc

And still no doctrine rework

Or rebalance of some amor techs

[visual willow]

ireland is with albania into the "literally no potentional for a tree" territory

and albania actually has more

[frosty oak]

imma be honest, i see this argument on the forums about any tree given to a country that got defeated in WWII

[visual willow]

cause even though they are in no position to

[frosty oak]

ok actually i agree with the Albanian one tbh

[visual willow]

you can sortoff.... kinda justify balkan federation

but that would be as stupid as "bsuted irish navy!!!"

[visual willow]

i mean, what happened in ww2 isn't a deciding factor

it's potentional

and some countries simply lack it

despite being part of ww2

cuba for example

they where in ww2

participated in it

but what the hell can you actually give it that wont just be what it's 10 neighbours have

[frosty oak]

idk i just think Ireland has as much potential to it as Belgium or Austria who also need focuses

ok maybe a little less than Austria

[nimble torrent]

I don't feel like it's a matter of "being defeated"
It's a matter of possible gameplay
The Baltics got conquered sure but they have possibilities for expansion because they are not landlocked
Poland got conquered but a focus tree still makes sense if you ask me considering what they can achieve
Ireland? They share borders only with 1 country, have no direct land route to cap it and no way in hell to reach it both with naval invasions (cause British fleet) or air (cause British airforce)

[visual willow]

thing is.... they really dont

[nimble torrent]

Wait doesn't Belgium have a focus?

[visual willow]

belgium is just like, reflavor the dutch tree

[frosty oak]

no, got scrubbed hard, cant beleive they didnt add it in La Resistance

[visual willow]

austria has potentional but it's mostly doing what it's neighbours are already doing but that's not a big issue as it's not a shared thing of a dozen countries but 1 having parts of multiple countries

name me like 4 things ireland can actually do

i'll give you "become a british dominion" and "just get northern ireland"

[nimble torrent]

I just hope at some point the devs just say "ok lads here is all the dev tools that we have ever used/had in mind/we could come up with, development cycle for this game is over, go ham"
And let us just do crazy mods

[visual willow]

eh i dont like it when mods go too crazy

[nimble torrent]

They prolly won't, I know

[visual willow]

like milenium dawn

[nimble torrent]

But potential

[visual willow]

like ok i get it, you want to purpesfully make your mod as stupidly complex as possible

[frosty oak]

i actually kinda liked Milenium Dawn, but its so complex it slows everything down and makes a year last the same as 3 base game

[nimble torrent]

Some things about Md are kinda meh tbh
Like the space system

[frosty oak]

no thats based actually

[nimble torrent]

But I was thinking more like economy from tno and stuff

[visual willow]

OWB has also quite a lot of weird mechanics but it's mostly just.... ok sure

[frosty oak]

cant wait for OWB to make it to the mid west and esp the southeast

[nimble torrent]

God the moment that happens I know I will stop going out for a while with friends

[visual willow]

playing FONV rn so gonna do some proper big OWB runs after

[nimble torrent]

But I do kinda hope they release more focuses compared to the last time they released an update

[visual willow]

eh i dont mind the "release huge area and populate the area with focus trees over time" concept

[nimble torrent]

Dunno, felt lacking compared to the legion, NCR or whatever

[visual willow]

EAW did it aswell

[nimble torrent]

True

[frosty oak]

i havent played OWB in forever, i know they made it to the Missouri and Mississippi Rivers, and i know they just reworked New California, can we take New California and form a New United States?

[visual willow]

released a whole ass new continent - only like 9 trees of the, what, 40-50?

[visual willow]

nnot sure if the NCR can but i know the brotherhood(?) can

[nimble torrent]

If we talking zebrica even less i think

But they are crazy for the most part

[visual willow]

Idk continent was quite packed

Anyways this is more #hoi4-general talk

[frosty oak]

true true sorry

[nimble torrent]

Oof, u right

[frosty oak]

So new DLC, they have hinted like 7 times in comments that we getting a reworked Iceland, wonder how thats gonna go since Iceland has like... 0 people

[nimble torrent]

Seriously?

[visual willow]

Probs something minor like the ethiopian releasables tree

[nimble torrent]

Its either gonna be a Switzerland 2.0 or a better free france

Or that

[frosty oak]

Also in the main dev diary they said Denmark now starts with 7 states, now in the State Map picture we see that Denmark has 5 there, and if we include Faroe Islands and Greenland then that makes it 7

Iceland is not included

[frosty oak]

id assume that Greenland may have the same thing too since they seemed iffy about talking more about Greenland

[visual willow]

70 days focus to give your puppet 10 aluminum and 1 civ? Lol

[frosty oak]

honestly all i want really is just for the USA and UK to have better decisions to work on occupation of those places post danish colapse

its so annoying that Iceland joins the Axis every other game'

[visual willow]

Cause of the british invasion which is..... technically historically correct

[frosty oak]

idk they could just set Iceland to be unable to join a faction like they do Iran during the Anglo-Soviet Invasion

[visual willow]

Or just make them join the allies

[frosty oak]

maybe

[visual willow]

The "invasion" was a friendly landing of troops

[frosty oak]

uninvited but friendly

[visual willow]

Occupied by the british because they didnt want any germans occupying it

But iceland was cool with it

[frosty oak]

while we are discussing releasable nations and personal unions or whatnot they should make Egypt a puppet at game start, maybe even give them a focus tree. i wanna see King Faud in my game pls its historically inaccurate for them to be as much of Britain as ZImbabwe or Kuwait or Nigeria

i guess Farouk too since Faud dies in 1936

africa needs so much love in this game fr

[visual willow]

I mean

It's africa during ww2

[frosty oak]

look imma be real, they fought in North Africa for 3 years because the european empires thought it was worth it, but in Hoi4 nobody cares except Italy because they made it worth it to hold

France too to an extent cause you get to core Algeria

maybe more if you are lucky

[paper estuary]

I still feel like Albania has some logical possibilities, especially given it's international and geographical position: like using Italian military support to conquer some land in Greece and in Yugoslavia in order to delay the Italian annexation; requesting Turkish guarantee of independence based on religious and historical ties to avoid being swallowed by neighbors and then fighting everyone around; attempt to go republican and become allies with France in the Balkans (nice position to fight Italy when the war starts); maybe even add a Balance of Power that either supports or defies Zog's monarchy.

As for Ireland? Yeah, idk
Either go fascist and get "celtic" claims on Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, and Cornwall and then support Germany; or go communist and just give an island to support Soviet Union, that's it

[visual willow]

Asking italy to just fight for you sounds.... quite dumb politically
Sure but like, what will turkey do? Interesting focus, but that's where it also ends
Generic "join X faction" branch

[visual willow]

And never get those claims except NA as you're ireland
And then just generic "join faction" focus

[paper estuary]

Not like Zog's policy of going all in on dependency on Italy was smart

[visual willow]

Getting suez is pretty handy so you won't need to defend all the inside of the med from allied invasions

Assuming you get gibralter ofc

[frosty oak]

see, North Africa is important and Egypt was marginally independent, certainly more than direct rule from London

[visual willow]

Egypt is in quite a chokepoint and has quite a few interesting options

Only country for arab leage

Sudan stuff

[paper estuary]

Egypt is a debate without end
Because Suez Canal is british land, and they need to defend it – problem is, AI would go nuts inside a puppet state like Egypt
But in any case, Egypt was not less autonomous than the Raj, for instance
So I support it being a more autonomous puppet

[visual willow]

Joining the axis is actually a major shift cause suez is extremely strong

Unlike ireland which is like

Oh nooo like 170k of my millions of people are now occupied

And like

1 civvie

The horroooorrr

[frosty oak]

i like that they reworked East Africa, now i want an Egyptian update, id like a small south african update, and i want them to add more resources to west and central africa

or give their respective colonial overlords focuses/decisions to do that, like how Portugal and Italy

[paper estuary]

All three continent – Asia, Africa and South America – need more resources.
It is totally illogical that the huge continent of Africa, where the major powers established huge colonies, has barely any resources...

[frosty oak]

like update the french west african focuses, and give belgium a tree, and a tiny update to Spain too maybe idk that one is far less important cause they have like 0 land left

maybe they could do Egypt with a middle east update

[visual willow]

Did they do a lot of resource developing in 36-48 though

[visual willow]

Seems most logical

[paper estuary]

I wonder how a Middle East expansion would be handled tho
There are, like, 5 independent nations in it
Would be 6 if they were to add Egypt

[frosty oak]

saudi arabia, iraq, iran, maybe yemen and Oman as a meme like the baltics

just the first 3 and egypt would be fine imo tho

[paper estuary]

The first three would definitely be the priority (hopefully Egypt too)

[visual willow]

Generic arabian releasable tree for oman, yemen, syria, lebanon, and probs new releasables

Shaves down a lot

And baltics are not just memes

[frosty oak]

the ethiopian releasable trees really opened up alot of possibilities for regional small things

[paper estuary]

You didn't mention Palestine

[visual willow]

Iraq idk if they could really do a lot locally

[visual willow]

And jordan

[frosty oak]

i find it crazy that they didnt even talk about it, they just dropped Aussa and the others as a surprise

[visual willow]

It's called forgetting

[paper estuary]

Yeah, adding an "arabic generic" tree to releasables and both Yemen and Oman seems good enough

[visual willow]

Hell i can see saudie getting it but altered

[paper estuary]

Hopefully we don't get lectured by some arab enthusiast soon

[visual willow]

Maybe give the arabic nations west of egypt it too

[paper estuary]

Nah, that seems like a big stretch

[frosty oak]

im for it

give it to Eritreia, Djbouti, and Somalia too

since they didnt get ethiopian ones but are also arab states too

[paper estuary]

Going full Saddam on Kuwait, but in the 1940s
Britain and US were too busy to step in

[frosty oak]

going after that arab province in Iran

joining Germany fully and trying to form a full Arab State

there were fascist elements in Iraq who wanted to join Germany before they got invaded by the UK

maybe alt history germany ally Iraq could bully Vichy France out of French Syria and i love bullying Vichy out of stuff

[visual willow]

Yes, but

None of those things are iraq unique

Just arab things

[frosty oak]

i dont think thats bad?

[visual willow]

Well i mean, then it's not an iraq tree

it's the generic arab tree

[frosty oak]

idk i think thats slightly reductive

and thats just a fascist path, not counting other stuff

[paper estuary]

I guess the whole thing about a Middle-East dlc would be to try and "partition" the region among themselves (Egypt would go after Sinai and Jordan; Iraq would go for Kuwait and Syria; Saudi Arabia would seek the rest of the Arabia peninsula) and to avoid further Western conquests of what's left independent

[frosty oak]

im sure Hoi's infinite monarchist will love another one and Iraq had a monarch

[visual willow]

Is there any historical presedence for that

[paper estuary]

Nah, just dropping random thoughts

Devs would look into it lol

[frosty oak]

im sure theres plenty of ideas, i just havent delved into post ottoman iraqi history and dont know everything

[high wolf]

Samoan Arabia

[frosty oak]

What

[solid gyro]

When is the summer discount in Korean time?

[lunar folio]

<t:1688058000:f> This should automatically convert to your timezone

[solid gyro]

Thank !!

Thank bro!!

/sale

I hope there will be a Hoi 4 discount tomorrow

[solid gyro]

Well guess I have to wait till tmr

[visual willow]

you can add more

[dapper skiff]

When new/overhauled german tree? (The main actor of the war)

[visual willow]

Either never or like 2 years

[harsh hull]

The Steam Summer Sale has started, it looks like

It also looks like there aren't any HOI4 deals

[visual willow]

it has just barely loaded

[dapper skiff]

Ye either they overhaul all oldertrees from old dlcs or they make hoi5, atleast thats what i think

[harsh hull]

Oh, yeah, there it is - I just had to refresh my steam app I guess

[main heron]

I just picked back up on it cuz I’ve been traveling for the past few weeks, meaning I’m not sure how far along the new DLC is in development, but is it supposed to release in time for the Summer sale? Or is it probably going to be a while?

[visual willow]

trailer said autunm

[main heron]

Yikes 😩

Thanks

[acoustic steeple]

How are 55% 40 from 46??

[visual willow]

ìt's all factories, not all civs

also, #ask-for-help-here

[solid gyro]

oH MODERATORS!!

[small lichen]

where can i learn to mod the game? the youtube tutorials are very amature and making issues so theyre not relevant

[hollow lion]

#modding

[winter spade]

is there a mod that will speed the game and can be used in multiplayer(to play with friend cuz its slowling every time when we speed the game)

[zenith cargo]

no

[visual willow]

All of them should be able to be used in MP 🤷‍♀️

[hollow lion]

I recently looked into what they all do

Expert AI has performance options, but majorly slows down the game

[solid gyro]

Are you using steam or paradox launcher?

[hollow lion]

Spot optimization and Spot optimization "but it works" dont really work either and might break mods or even vanilla by spreading out event checks further which is completely unnecessary

[zealous sable]

when will that dlc come

[short sierra]

i hope it will add southern Juntland

[magic tartan]

Drc tbh 🤷🏽‍♂️ 😹

[winter crown]

it is the placebo effect

[pseudo wing]

In the Autumn, no specific date announced yet, however

[lethal wyvern]

can somebody help me get all dlcs\

[zealous oyster]

for?

[strong topaz]

give me your credit card and ill do it

[golden mist]

Dev diary today?

[solid gyro]

I would hope so, yes

[wide marsh]

Probably not

I think

[sweet quarry]

Tomorrow

[golden mist]

Nice

[lunar folio]

Well where is it

[solid gyro]

I may be dum

But did they say anything about no Dev Diary today?

[solid gyro]

NOOOO

[fast hill]

6 july?????

6??

[summer wasp]

6?!

!!!!!!

[lunar folio]

6?????!(?!??!?!?

[jaunty nymph]

6?!?!??????????!!!!????!?!

[visual willow]

6????!!??!!!!!????

[solid gyro]

Finland?

[fresh cedar]

Wait so the non-historical Finland post is tomorrow? What happened to today? Has been on Wednesdays for ages.

[visual willow]

The answer is to read this chat

[tepid jay]

the answer is to read the

[fresh cedar]

Ah yes the answer that isn’t an answer

[lilac bramble]

destroyed

[pseudo wing]

we were waiting on something to come in before posting it, since it needed to be included in the DD, don't worry it'll be out tomorrow :p

I am also SUPER late to the convo

oops sorry for the ping in that case lmao

[fresh cedar]

Thank you!

[opaque rock]

I start a Naval invasion But the path shown no division-0 transport please help me

[simple isle]

you need naval transportation technologies
you need ships
you need naval supremacy on all path seas

[solid gyro]

do you have any naval invasions already planned out?

if you only have the first tech youcan only have 10 units for all naval invasion so if your already got one planned with 10 the rest cant have any

[opaque rock]

Should I research marine first?

[simple isle]

well they are recommended but not so needed

[edgy hound]

only the amphibius invasion tech. but theyre not needed

[simple isle]

marines and amphibious machines/tanks just have reduced naval invasion debuffs

[marble plaza]

Dev diary when?

[long ruin]

reee i wanted to see ahistorical denmark

"survive for 12 hours"

[dapper skiff]

Well that was a bummer

[old bobcat]

Width changes again?

I thought it was fine as is

[lunar folio]

I totally did not forget I don’t have notifications for HOI4 dev diaries

[pseudo wing]

These are all potential changes, C0RAX really just wants more feedback on how these changes feel to help with the launch of AAT

[old bobcat]

Well the design goal is to decrease width but I feel like im going to make bigger divisions now

[smoky hinge]

This is the kind of stuff I like, gonna do some wacky stuff

[old bobcat]

There is no way to fit into both forests and plains eg 80% of the terrain you fight on

So the new meta is likely to be making bigger divisions so that you get more stats in by quality rather than quantity

I mean I guess this way we are getting closer to actually fielding historically sized divisions

But it is the opposite of the desired result

No one is going to field under 20w

Current meta was 21w

So from that perspective no matter the width changes it wouldnt decrease div widths

Obv im excluding 10w meta since thats for meme playtroughs and is often broken as hell

[pseudo wing]

who knows if that is what the meta will be, these aren't all the changes planned for AAT, just a few that C0RAX wanted more insight from the playerbase one 🙂

[old bobcat]

10 inf 2 art = 26 w
Plains with support is 131 so 5 divs 1 w spare
Forest with support is 116 so 4 divs 12 w spare

[visual willow]

does "support" just mean attacking from extra angles?

[lunar folio]

I think so

[old bobcat]

Yup

Officiall terminology is support attacks

With 2 support attacks
Plains is 180 so 7 divs 2 width over the limit (will result in small penalty)
Forest is 156 so 6 divs 0 spare width

While I hate over the width penalties in this case its likely worth it

26 should allow you to pack the most amount of battalions while also gaining larger stats gains from the ever abundant % bonuses

[muted swan]

where can i submit bug reports

i remember there was a channel here somewhere

[pseudo wing]

best place is to post them here on the forums 👇🏻
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forums/hearts-of-iron-iv-bug-reports.951/

[muted swan]

thanks

[ashen saddle]

that change to super heavies feels stupid

even when nobody uses them, why not let players do both support and line like artillery?

[visual willow]

50W pure super heavy tank template with support super heavies

hitler's dream

[ashen saddle]

Sadly, we won't be able to do that even for the memes in future if Paradox doesn't receive feedback about removing SHT line battalion

[rustic timber]

Hey shouldn't we have had a dev diary yesterday

[harsh hull]

#latest-updates message

[rustic timber]

Got it

[copper valve]

lol, I thought you had gone on vacation

[pseudo wing]

nope not vacation, though most PDX employees will be on summer vacation for a lil bit of time

[solid gyro]

lmao so when we getting the update? oktober?

[pseudo wing]

AAT will be coming in the Autumn, no release date announced yet

[old bobcat]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/14s9nvy/combat_width_meta_in_summer_open_beta/

I was slightly off the new meta widths in the 20s range will likely be 22-24 and 27

In any case still higher than old 21w meta

[wet island]

How are 21-27 widths not historical in terms of manpower? Divisions were 10-15k

[old bobcat]

Divisions were around 14-18k in manpower

Or more at times

It depends on what exactly you are looking for

Translating that to in game usually gives you 26 or more width

Which is why I said that the current situation of 21 w meta leads to ahistorical divisions

[wet island]

Not if you add support companies

[old bobcat]

That doesnt change anything

[wet island]

Full support 21 width is 11600

[old bobcat]

And a German 1940 division is 17500 men

French is 18000

Soviets had even larger divisions initially

As the war went on losses forced everyone to cut down on men

Depending on country this happened at various points in 1940s

The Soviets were the first due to Barbarossa being a disaster

German divisions got cut down the most in 43

[wet island]

But there have been several countries with fewer and 27-28 have been meta for quite some time.

[old bobcat]

In any case as far as initial divisional organisation goes it should be 9xInf 2x line arty and usually as many support companies as you can fit

There isnt enough space to cover all the support companies divisions had so you have to pick what fits the most

[old bobcat]

27-28 were never meta wtf are you talking about

Its such a suboptimal build

Its been 21 w since before the last width rework

Its even confirmed by PDX data

27w will be good with the new changes

[wet island]

The game lacks smaller compositions like brigades, so i don't see why you are so keen on having bigger divisions

[old bobcat]

?

[wet island]

Depends what country you are playing in SP obviously

[old bobcat]

No it doesnt

27-28 is not optimal for any terrain

And idk how did you got to me wanting bigger divisions I simply said thats how it was historically and that bigger divisions will be the result of this change

While the dev diary states they want to lower the width

[wet island]

Highly doubt they will as there isn't a supply change

[old bobcat]

that doesnt matter?

[wet island]

It sure as hell does in low supply fronts

[old bobcat]

People run 40+ width divisions

27 will be no issue

[wet island]

Most of the player base don't know what they are doing. They also are building supply hubs

[old bobcat]

The people that dont know what they are doing dont care about width at all

So talking about them completely misses the purpose

These people are completely ignorant of how width works and whats optimal again as shown by pdx data on the use of various division templates

You could also counter any argument like that there are people who constantly argue that HOI4 should remove core gameplay systems like supply or tank/airplane designer etc

That doesnt mean that there should be no changes to these systems

And this whole logic is completely contradicted by the fact this width change is specifically tailored towards players that do watch these changes and considering this is a open beta the feedback will also be based on experienced players

[wet island]

As it should 🤷🏻‍♂️

[old bobcat]

so why even bring the argument "noobs will not understand that"

If the changes remain the meta is most likely gonna be bigger divisions

Supply was never a relevant factor in these considerations

Note that the width meta was not impacted by the complete rework of supply system

Or any other changes to it

[wet island]

But the bigger the division the more supply it consumes and unless you are someone who builds hubs, there's no chance that ~27 widths are going to replace 21. Simply because you rather have sub optimal width than low supply

[harsh hull]

So, what's going on with the infantry changes?
Are the 9/1's still there? Are the 9/1's alright?

Tell me the 9/1's are alright

[wet island]

They are, but there are less penalties for other widths.

[harsh hull]

oh good, i thought i would have to get better at the game and better learn the distinctions of what makes a good infantry template "good", instead of spamming the same template that the AI can't get around ad nauseam

[wet island]

If you want an all around world conquest width that fits to every terrain, then you have more options now

[old bobcat]

A) Since the original release people were running 40 width without a issue you argument that 27 width cant be handled bu the supply system is directly countered by the entire history of this game meta tempaltes
B) Template widths are self regulating when it comes to supply the bigger the division the less divisions you have. If you look at the number of battalions deployed you will see that their combined weight is similar no matter how big or small the division is.
C) The supply system has never had any impact on width meta no one considers that. You build up supply to fit your army not make your army to fit the supply.

[old bobcat]

Nope they are done for

See this for more info
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/14s9nvy/combat_width_meta_in_summer_open_beta/

[wet island]

I highly disagree on the last one, if you ignore the division size compared to the terrain and supply, you will be building hubs and that is inefficient af.

The 40 width argument before nsb is also completely a different game, as supply is now way harder. You barely had to worry about it then.

And there are several places where even 21 widths with logistics are out of supply. Good luck building those hubs as a minor

[quiet smelt]

Are the changes to air going to nerf carriers or buff them?

[quiet smelt]

Honeslty, just use logistic companies

[quiet smelt]

I think its kind of wrong

27 completely fail to fit into forests

Which are quite numerous

Also in places where 27 does fit, the aditional combat width modifier messes with it. For example planes where 27's should fit perfectly, however the combat modifier is only +49
This allows only one 27 width division to fit into the battle

26 would actually fit better when attacking planes from numerous directions as it would fit 2 aditional divisions

While for forests 25 is best

And honestly I'd be willing to drop 1 division width to fight in a whole new terrain type

The numbers are the optimal template width to fit as many units as possible

[old bobcat]

This guy numbers were always fine so idk

And again this isnt about pure width

Which you did they also account for over the width penalty and other variables

[quiet smelt]

Previously the aditional width was pretty standard, i.e around 50% of regular width would be the aditional combat width for most tiles

Now its completely diffrent

[old bobcat]

So they did account for that

Did you even read the post?

You absolutely can go over the width it just gives you a penalty

Depending on the situation that penalty can be absolutetly worth it

Which seems to be the case of 27s in the new meta

[quiet smelt]

Yeah, I saw the post.
The problem with the graph is it completely ignores regions and such

[quiet smelt]

I really feel with it not fitting in forests and attacking planes from 3 directions instead of 2 being far rarer, it will relally not work out that well

I feel the weights he used in the calculation may not have been the best

[old bobcat]

Go to that post and argue there

[quiet smelt]

I'm going to do practical tests before posting anything on reddit

[wet island]

I have been using them. Literally slap into every onmap division except port garrisons

[dire thorn]

just have 1 actual division and the rest 2 width port garrisons

[visual willow]

Buy them via either official resellers or directly from steam instead

[hollow lion]

@sly marsh@glacial stagDon't discuss gray market keys

[haughty sleet]

why

[sly marsh]

I'm not wanting to fight on this but the link I shared is not a gray market. Its a price comparison site to very specific distributors. It links Steam, Newegg, Greenman Gaming, Humble Store and some others. They are all authorized sellers who buy through developer/publisher sanctioned distributors or the publisher themselves.

If I seem prickly on this its because I've put a lot of work in to avoid the shady cd key resellers that the internet is full of. I can link you a list on the Paradox forums that tracks approved resellers that has been compiled from official sources, Paradox staff replies and support ticket replies.

[hollow lion]

isthereanydeal should be fine, just saying

[sweet quarry]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/development-discussion-on-combat-width.1592976/#post-29043421 please take a look at the ongoing discussion on combat widths following feedback here

[wide marsh]

Have you ever seen when the fish is taken out of the water

[quartz bronze]

Idk if anyone else thinks the same but mass mob just seems to be getting buffed even more by reducing the size of the biggest widths. That plus the support company changes are gonna make mass mob even more cracked.

[polar jasper]

Alright, so the new Armor Piercing bombs are to make your Carrier CAS better, and here are comparisons between Torpedoes and the new bombs

AP Bombs: Naval Attack 6. Naval Targeting 6 averaged. -5 Agility
1936 Torpedoes: Naval Attack 9. Naval Targeting 4 averaged. -12 Agility
1940 Torpedoes: Naval Attack 15. Naval Targeting 5 averaged. -12 Agility
1944 Torpedoes: Naval Attack 20. Naval Targeting 6 averaged. -12 Agility

From what I can tell, Carrier CAS is still useless, especially past 1940. I do not know if the extra agility and naval targeting helps either besides maybe your planes not being shot down. Can an expert on Carrier/Air warfare help out?

[quartz bronze]

Agility has a very minor effect on AA proc chance. It's like +10 agility gives a -1% to AA proc chance so not a huge difference. Although naval targeting is important cuz that determines how many planes actually hit the ships.

[polar jasper]

Is 2-1 difference in naval targetting huge or no? I always heard that you should use torpedoes due to higher damage and still just as likely to hit

[quartz bronze]

Torpedos have been best for awhile. Idk if it'll be the same after the changes. The formula for ships that hit is targeting/10*30%. That naval targeting difference is big.

Having twice as much naval targeting means twice as many planes bombing the ships.

[polar jasper]

Hmm, should test it out I suppose. Going to do a US game and try out a carrier loadout with 1 fighter wing, 3 naval bombers, and 2 cas and see how that goes. Also I have no idea if my light attack light cruisers will still munch through screens with the changes to ship armor.

[polar jasper]

Going to try this for my Carrier CAS. It is dumb, expensive, but does more damage than the torpedo bomber

[solid gyro]

I just realized that Hungary is gonna get a new portrait with this dlc

Since the democratic path has a Swedish King

And Sweden is likely getting a Monarchist path

I hope they do, Democratic Hungary would look better

[solid gyro]

19 width didnt work for me ... my divisions were falling apart

[visual willow]

Doesn't mean it'll be the hungarian candidate

[spare epoch]

arent the changes on combat width, at least from what i got from the graphs, supposed to make it less about the "meta-optimal" width and more about just "what to fit and where"?

also i have no idea what this shows...

[solid gyro]

Well true but it's likely they will add the Hungarian candidate

[polar jasper]

Okay Carrier CAS kinda good.

The Helldivers are the CAS and the Avengers are the Torpedo Bombers. The CAS did more damage overall

AP Bombs kinda nice

Another battle proves that Carrier CAS is better than Carrier Naval Bombers

[supple canyon]

can i get hoi4 for free please

ill dp anything

unless its not weird