latest-updates

[harsh hull]

Kiwi science is just built different I guess

[solid gyro]

Is there any confirmed reworks or dlc??

[visual willow]

no

[pure valve]

😦

[fiery matrix]

Is there any way as Stalin to release nations or no

[pure valve]

No

[fiery matrix]

Dam

[fiery matrix]

But thanks

[pure valve]

You have to go down the path with “independent Soviet socialist republics”

[visual willow]

Use the console

[elfin sage]

Is there a recording of today's q&a?

can't find it on twitch

[solid gyro]

This is how Germany should do the Anschluss

https://youtube.com/shorts/aDWwVxnjmT4?feature=share

Unless they planning smth different for DLC

[brazen jacinth]

"anschluss fix v2"
mans they're gonna be on anschluss fix v14 and people will still be figuring out how to anschluss within the first few months

[jaunty nymph]

anschluss fix v36
you must now sing the Austrian anthem and do 3 back hand springs to get Austria

[cunning ravine]

Is it just me or does it feel like this series of patches is targeting especially at Canada

[visual willow]

worst thing is is that it isnt even a problem

[visual willow]

TFV trees are the worst so it makes sense those get the most attention

[cunning ravine]

Yeah

[polar jasper]

They definitely need a refresh. When will south africa get its 1939 leader and when will Australia have the guy before John curtin

Also a reworked south africa would also make that crusader kings achievement less painful.
Could possibly make there be a choice to have it like Ethiopias mechanics?

[solid gyro]

Why not give Belgian Congo some stuff similar?

[solid gyro]

Here’s an example of a democratic german bund if HOI4 wants to know if it lol

https://youtu.be/uA_tKBgsL2k

It ain’t bad

Though I think the devs can make it both with HRE Path & Democratic Bund path

Way better

maybe add a Marxist path and boom you got Germany ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Also maybe border wars with nations like Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Denmark, etc for the fascists and give them the rework like Italy has with Council of Fascism

[solid gyro]

Czechoslovakia & Poland being important due to Poland having false flag justification, and Czechoslovakia due to Sudetenland Protests

Got too many ideas and I can’t explain it all right lol

What if you go monarchist but have Democratic tree between two ideas

“Great German Bund” or “The Kaiserreich”

Communist you gotta have more than one politician tho

Ernst Thalmann & Wilhelm Pieck would be most important afaik

[visual willow]

Or just maybe dont force balance of power into everything???

It's not even such a great mechanic

[visual willow]

I don't think border wars like china would fit, demands, trades and wars would be more sensible

[jovial merlin]

National steel car and send in the zombies no longer mutually exclusive nice, but these other focusses of canada still suck
Like the one for 4 steel 3 chromimium lmao
Or 70 days for a mediocre advisor with 66% discount (100 pp)
70 Days for 3 % commonwealth sharing research bonus
70 days for another 5 %
70 days for -3% consumergoods, ye its still a buff but its nothing...
33% discount on advisors which because you already get one fairly cheap with a previous focus, only counts for 2, which is just semi worth, aside from that you need 4 focusses (280 days) to complete that, so if you go for pp guy right away, thats already 280 days you dont get extra pp for just 50 discount. Again not worth.

[visual willow]

"Guys the entire tree didnt get a rework in the minor patch, what a disaster"

[sweet vortex]

Ong losing a single core as Mussolini and then being perma ticked to the wrong side

[visual willow]

That's more of an side issue solely for italy

But like it doesnt work when you go althist cause it makes no sense to have different sides stay at the exact same support

It's also just kinda meaningless

Like..... just have mutually exclusive focuses lol

It's just needless overcomplication that doesnt add anything

[shy marsh]

i got Anschluss in 30 days

[jovial merlin]

never implied such a thing, but Canada is something special with how many useless focusses it has. Remember that they had no economy no manpower and more useless focusses like half a year ago when they didnt buff the railroad focusses (now adds infrastructure and civs -> the last one broken because it doesnt add buildingslots) and when it had half the provinces it currently has.

[visual willow]

The other TFV trees have basically juzt as many shit focuses so no it's not unique

[jovial merlin]

The thing is the other factions at least have something to go by. Raj has manpower and industry. South africa can become quite decent, and you can form a great deal of nations there, if you go facist which can be easlily done. Australia can at least have a nice industry now that they have more provinces, with okay-ish manpower, and you can suck more out of british malaya and if you release Papua new guinea, there too.
NZL prob sucks yeah, but what do you expect, they at least have 6 research slots.

[long ruin]

the 33% discount buff also gives an industry research boost

I dont think its a great pick

but its not terrible

and its a dead end focus anyway

also Canada can get a few dozen factories

its pretty good now

[tacit vessel]

Hate the new anschluss patch

Everything else good

[solid gyro]

u can bypass it

xD

[sonic holly]

no u cant

as you need 40k inf equipment deployed in army

so at 10 fac with 0 attrition you get 40

[restive trout]

I've found two massively annoying problems with HOI4, the following are screenshots of the Problems in-Game. I am using no Checksum Mods.

1. Having the Italian Puppet via the Civil War mechanic, the Puppetmaster gets the National Spirit "Mafia on the Rise" instead of Italy itself

2. Border Irregularities and non-sense regarding who controls impassable territory

[visual willow]

i would call britain gaining a useless piece of impassible terrain "massively "

[restive trout]

I do, it is very bad looking on the Map and could probably be changed easily, by assigning the Host State, for example southern Chad as the state that also gives you control over BET.

[visual willow]

setowner CHD

i think cha was another country otherwise that one

[restive trout]

I am playing with Achievements, I know I can fix it manually, but that doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't happen in the first place.

[visual willow]

if you care about mappainting you shouldnt play ironmanmode anyways

ironmanmode isnt for fun, it's for achievments

[restive trout]

What does this add to the actual Problem?

[visual willow]

you can't fix it

is it a problem? yeah
is it a REAL problem? no not really

[restive trout]

have you seen the effects of Rise of the Mafia tho?

[visual willow]

i was talking only about the second one

[restive trout]

It's on the level of Turkey, as a puppet, joining another Faction

I know

[visual willow]

well in that case idk why this comment was needed

cause the first one, yeah that's a weird issue i'm not sure how it even happened

definitely should be looked at

the second one? extremely low priority non-issue

[restive trout]

I agree the African Territories aren't game breaking but the Mafia on the Rise Bug is mega-annoying

[winter crown]

cool recommendation
ping can work in single player, allied troops that are free/not needed so much can be sent to help you when you ping, defend if you want or even attack if you want, if the ai is confident enough to attack though.

[pallid spruce]

does anybody know what changed about anschluss

i cant find it in the update notes on steam

[prisma abyss]

Essentially you can no longer spam out a template without equipment

you need those troops to be equipped for them to count as far as im aware now

[solid gyro]

https://youtu.be/ugczEo_dvMU

you can still bypass it

[plain elm]

Would you be so kind and send in bug reports about those issues?

[zenith cargo]

Thats not bypassing it, its using the mechanics of the game. Thats fine, the template swap on the other hand was gamey and you had to get out of your way to do it

[analog scarab]

I mean, you can call it what you want, but it's still pretty much same-same but different. As long as there's the ability to rush Anschluss, there's going to be the overwhelming incentive to do so. The only real change between before and after is that the "after" is clunky. There's still not really a reason to not rush Anschluss. It's just that it's aesthetically crappy and has like half an extra step.

[solid gyro]

Chill

I aint reading allat

[zenith cargo]

The scope of the change wasnt to drastically alter it, it was to take away the need to exploits the game. If people still do it using game mechanics thats fine. It wasnt meant to rebalance it. If it doesnt change anything for you, then no need to worry

[analog scarab]

Granted there's the aversion to hard locking it behind a date, but, again, this doesn't really change anything. It's like if the fastest way from point-a to point-b was a straight line, and someone built a knee-high wall intersecting the path.

No one's going to go the long way because of the knee-high wall. They're just going to step over it. As soon as the workaround gets disseminated, this whole change is back to business as usual. Its only moment of triumph is in the interlude till people hear about the new way to do it. At least make it a chest-high wall.

[vivid moat]

I mean, you can call it what you want, but it's still pretty much same-same but different. As long as there's the ability to rush Anschluss, there's going to be the overwhelming incentive to do so. The only real change between before and after is that the "after" is clunky. There's still not really a reason to not rush Anschluss. It's just that it's aesthetically crappy and has like half an extra step.

[zenith cargo]

https://media.tenor.com/CxsaX7SBxPkAAAAd/riker-star-trek-next-generation.gif

[visual willow]

"Rushing" it in general wasnt meant to be removed or punished, rushing it by force converting your units and making it too exploity was supposed to be removed.
So if you can still rush anschluss legitimately, great! Change working as intented
aslong as i'm reading this correctly

[zenith cargo]

if people want to put their mils on infantry equipment and rush it I dont really mind

[analog scarab]

But... that's still exactly how it works.

[visual willow]

But now you actually need equipment for it

[polar jasper]

To be fair, anschluss rushing makes more sense now as austria isn't going to cave into pressure from guys with no guns or uniforms, now they have to cave into pressure from guys with guns and uniforms

[long ruin]

IMO the main issue with it is that it encourages spamming out infantry equipment

I think it would be better if it required a certain amount of IC in the field

whatever type it is

[brazen jacinth]

nah its good as it is now
if they dont change it people will complain
if they change it people will complain
all people do is complain
which is why i am here complaining about people complaining

[lunar folio]

Paradox could make an actually well-made and good-priced DLC and people would complain

[cinder elm]

i mean, 15-20$ for one dlc?

[lime sinew]

5$ supscription:

[cosmic fox]

We do get something in the free updates
Some developers are very hesitant to even give free updates

[cinder elm]

^

[cinder elm]

Ya and re-new it

like every 3 months (i always get the 3 months one)

[lime sinew]

better value than paying for all dlcs

someone did the maths

and it would take 4 years

[fallen zenith]

Depends on if there's a sale

185 euro's/5 is 37 months so 3 years and 1 month. But on sale it does go down a lot

[lime sinew]

still subscription is the best way

since youre defo not going to play hoi4 for 3 years straight

[lime sinew]

4 years if you take the 3 months

payment

there is a mod

infantry equipment designer

i tried it its kinda bad

ngl

[visual willow]

we dont need inf or mechanized designer at all

the current designers are the limit of what we should have, and tbf they should balance these cause they arent even that good rn

everyone just makes the meta design and that's it

the whole designer part doesnt exist cause of that

atleast make it so that the meta isnt as clearcut

[elfin sage]

Thank you for saying this

It's almost never worth the cost to diverge from the meta

[harsh hull]

And I've never even tried heavy tank designs, much less superheavy tanks

[elfin sage]

Yeah me neither. I'd rather have more medium divisions

[visual willow]

heavies had a niche before partial piercing

unpiercable heavies did pretty decent unless the other player uses quite a few line TD

[long ruin]

Tank designer is kinda fun in sp

[daring terrace]

how often are dlcs released?

[visual willow]

Imagine how much more fun it would be if every design actually did some things you want better instead of always being worse then the meya

[daring terrace]

remember custom tank design, you’ll always be one upped by the meta

[solid gyro]

Imo there should be a way for Austria-Hungary to join the entente imo

Silesia for galicia-lodomeria and bukovina imo

[visual willow]

i think it would be better to do this in #632974300974153728 rather then in here

[solid gyro]

Shawn Driscoll

[sturdy viper]

why my base war support is very very very very very low

[inland shale]

bro has the whole world in his faction

[sturdy viper]

more in my faction now

[uncut chasm]

Is it better to puppet?

[visual willow]

it is unless you have max collabs

[sturdy viper]

oh wait sorry

this wasnt the general chat

[rocky mauve]

Any chance you didn't execute war goals, got nuked or is this PvP?

[sturdy viper]

i got nuked alot by germany and italy

[rocky mauve]

Also find it funny how with that low war support your stability is still insanely high ft. Soviet focuses

Nukes reduce war support so there's that

Base war support afaik so hurts more

[sturdy viper]

reduce the base support ?

[rocky mauve]

Yh pretty sure

[sturdy viper]

oh

they kept nuking me lol

[rocky mauve]

And if its PvP they can also deploy spies to reduce support up to -20

[visual willow]

arent those things listed though

[rocky mauve]

For nukes I don't think so but I'm not 100% sure on that

Vaguely remember nuking Germany to oblivion and seeing no listed malus in their debuffs

But their war support obv went to the bin

[visual willow]

nukes are base yeah

but spies arent iirc

cause if you have no spies it'll come back

also ai doesnt do that

[rocky mauve]

One day coding the AI won't be giga pain and we'll get smart AI

One day...

[visual willow]

i mean quite a few systematic errors could be easily addressed

like the AI straight up not knowing what is good and what isnt

[rocky mauve]

Like templates

That I'm definitely sure can easily be changed

[solid gyro]

Hello, new here. I'm on xbox. But will there be hearts of iron be for the consoles? I know ck3 and Stellaris is.

[rustic thistle]

Doubtful but their is some hope if hoi5 becomes a thing it's proble gonna be on xbox due to their partnership with Microsoft rn

Unfortunately it's very likely to have it's own servers and not connected to pc due to the playstyle would be vastly different

[lunar folio]

Actually it’ll probably be because the Xbox version would release later, if it even does

Although the main issue there would still be Paradox hosts servers on Steam servers

[shy shore]

Hoi5? This the new Vic3? 🤣

[plucky kernel]

EU5 when

[hollow shore]

WHAT IS LATES UPADE

[lunar folio]

1.12.12

[jovial merlin]

Convoy raiding casualties should at least count as high as landcombat damage imo

Freaking stupid to see the AI spam divisions all over every stupid area with 0 supply, and thousands of casualties

and then I get like 5 warscore for absolutely king's share of sunk manpower

[brazen jacinth]

just spam divisions into 0 supply areas to kill your men and rack up warscore

ez

[visual willow]

If only there was a mod that lets you use actual logic to dictate the peacetreaty and not the game itself

[lucid acorn]

Do what I did last game, play China and just throw mass assault infantry to their death, getting 75% war contribution while doing only a marginal amount

Always remember, aggressive advancement!

[high zealot]

Player-led peace conferences?

[polar jasper]

Player led peace conference has the problem of if you get 0 war score, all that can be done is a white peace

[high zealot]

Yea I’ve had that happen before

It’s an endless cycle

[solid gyro]

Minor powers should not be able to take allot of land imo

Minors should only be allowed to take cored/claimed states imo

[lunar folio]

If they participated to get that much warscore, then I deem it fine.

[solid gyro]

Romania deserves all of Ukraine and south Russia

[lunar folio]

If they got that much warscore, then sure

[visual willow]

Problem is is that most countries are not made with that in mind

So countries that should be able to get a lot of land wont be able to because their tree simply doesnt give the claims

Otherwise an AI system where they try to give their faction members their claims and cores, and having majors puppet the rest would be great

[solid gyro]

It should be an option to have that as as a decision imo

[visual willow]

Once a few extra trees get updated

Otherwise just fix the peace deal yourself with toolkit

[solid gyro]

I always use that mod the toolpack

[hollow lion]

[real aspen]

Hungarian congo 💀

[slim nacelle]

any1 wanna do my german hw

[hot coral]

I do not speak German

[foggy maple]

STOP UPDATING THE GAME NOW I CANT PLAY ROAD TO 56 BECAUSE ITS 1.12.11 AND I AM ON CURRENT VERSION 1.12.12!

[pure matrix]

you know you can just roll back to the last update typically right

[foggy maple]

I dont have steam

Its something i really hate about HOI4

that people on steam can change version

but Xbox gamepass users cant

How And Im not getting in trouble with The Staff

im not

Ye

Im not getting in trouble with the development and staff team

so Im Not using a pirated version

And Want

The Devs

to

Do

Something

about the X box players

[bold wolf]

Listen, stop putting everything in a separate message alright?

[solid gyro]

Any specific reason for this or you just don't like the look?

[lunar folio]

It’s mostly about readability and conciseness

[visual willow]

Just play it anyways it still works

[visual willow]

That's an xbox issue, not a hoi4 issue

[terse terrace]

I just play outdated mods, works fine usually

[visual willow]

So little changes usually in most patches that even if things break it wont be everything aswell

[brazen jacinth]

was gonna say
i still have mods that report they were made for 1.10.something in my 1.12.12 games

but it appears i am late to the conversation so oop never gonna see this :sadge:

[lunar folio]

I mean you could just ping them

[brazen jacinth]

starts sweating profusely

[wanton mason]

I like the new update

[bold wolf]

Because you are basically spamming which is breaking one of the rules, I recommend you take the verbal warning before further action needs to be taken.

[solid gyro]

You may be confused, I was not the one spamming. I was curious as to why that would be a problem.

[bold wolf]

Oh, well the explanation stands.

[plain elm]

Hey, yeah. That is an unfortunate issue, that we cant do anything about. As Xbox doesnt offer that functionality. If they were to do that, we would of course enable it!

[plain elm]

The updates shouldnt to any real degree influence the overhaul mods. But @ionic vigil, one of the devs of RT56 might know what the issue is ^^

[lunar folio]

marjan 💀

@hollow lion The actual dev

[visual willow]

offbrand marijn

belgium marijn

[hollow lion]

💀 Marjan

[visual willow]

mar💀jan

[hollow lion]

It literally does not matter as Katten said

[flint marlin]

Because you a broke ass

[crude jolt]

I invade Ireland as Britain

There was Nazis stationed in north Ireland so I allow them to join the war

[wanton python]

no

it is in ur flag

[solid gyro]

i love Iraq

[lunar folio]

Good for you, how is it relevant to this channel?

[visual willow]

just wait until the middle east devdairy is released next tuesday

[solid gyro]

[safe tartan]

[gentle kernel]

how do i get albania to be low autonomy? i alr built max infastructure and factories

[jaunty nymph]

land lease them

convoys are especially effective

[gentle kernel]

ty bro👍

[analog scarab]

It's worth noting that you get all of your lend-leased equipment back after a country is annexed. Convoys are definitely the most obvious bulk item, but as long as you have an obscene surplus of genuinely anything, you can ship it, then retrieve it on annex.

[earnest fossil]

The latest patch that doubled air accidents sucks so much

You cant even train pilots as the soviet union without losing 25 planes per squadron

[prisma wing]

Who train pilots ?

[pure valve]

This upcoming tuesday ?

[gritty thistle]

o

[polar jasper]

Red Air Force moment

[prisma abyss]

FR

Quantity > Quality

keep them green

[kind pasture]

as ussr, you build 0 planes so why bother?

anything else is dumb

[visual willow]

lol, lmao

airless barb

rofl

[kind pasture]

you wont outproduce germany anyways

id rather have 100 tank divs instead of yellow air

[visual willow]

the allies have air too

they can't keep everything on barb

[kind pasture]

allies divide their air aswell

for me, airless barb always worked

i just use motorized aa in tank diivs

@visual willow name 1 thing wrong with airless barb

[prisma abyss]

red air is cancerous

with tanks

And CAS damage

[visual willow]

still have your inf, and AA only lessens the effects, it doesnt remove it

[visual willow]

axis has complete air domination over the soviets, and they can fully focus it on the allies aswell

if you go airless it's much harder

[kind pasture]

id rather have double the ic on tanks than have yeloow sir

[visual willow]

yeah and the allies would rather have air at all instead of a useless uk

[kind pasture]

allies need air

[visual willow]

yeah so as the soviets it's handy to atleast try to have air so in a worst case scenario the axis wont have much of an airforce once the allies try anything

[kind pasture]

no

as air russia youll die

[visual willow]

the axis can't outproduce both sides

[prisma abyss]

fr

You dont need to outproduce them as Soviets anyway in MP

since UK should outproduce Germany by itself on air]

they can lendlease you good planes

[hidden reef]

will there be promotion in the game? I want to buy it

[hollow lion]

We dont know when, but theres usually several a year

theres also several official key seller sites that might run sales even when Steam isnt

A list of these is the bottom pin of #hoi4-general

[hidden reef]

@hollow lion
I thought there was going to be a promotion at this April event

[hollow lion]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/approved-re-sellers.1036933/post-23112534

[hollow lion]

I dont know

[mint sage]

So are there any plans to update China at all

[plucky kernel]

Like waking the tiger is a dlc that does that

And it would be good to update czechoslovakia as its focus is way too generic and doesnt have many interesting mechanics

A mechanic where you have to pacify sudeteland would be cool

[prime kindle]

Yeah just no

Waking the Tiger May “Update” china but its not good

[plucky kernel]

There is dlc like death or dishonor that needs reworking

[desert rover]

Together for victory 🗿

[kind pasture]

wydm? i beat japan as china as long as its ai

and for mp, china is meant to lose

[prime kindle]

Yeah but wtt is not good

[kind pasture]

Yea

[visual willow]

as for mp, historical MP is not the only option

[kind pasture]

wdym

[visual willow]

with "china is meant to lose"

historical MP isnt the only multiplayer that exists

[kind pasture]

yea but its more popular on this server

[visual willow]

ahistorical MP exists and there china isnt meant to lose

focus trees are mostly for the ahist anyways

[kind pasture]

in ahist china is broken

[visual willow]

jsut the more reasons to update it then

[kind pasture]

weakening china would be dumb

[snow token]

They should do a second Germany rework including Austria and some of Scandinavia.

Focus trees I mean for them

[visual willow]

why some? if you update the nordics include ALL of them

[kind pasture]

there should be something with the gold reserves germany steals

[visual willow]

mefo bils

[kind pasture]

thas not what i mean

[visual willow]

ik still funny to quickly mention

[modern skiff]

Hey is there any Beta code I can use on Steam?

for like updates not yet released

[lunar folio]

No
HOI4 uses open betas, which never require a code

[modern skiff]

thanks! "the more you know!"

so there arent any code you can enter into steam to access future patches or dlc w7o buying?

[visual willow]

maybe become a dev at paradox

[hollow lion]

@spring moonIdk what that was about but it isnt for here please see rule 7

[mint sage]

No it doesn't

it gives china a focus tree

and WTT is like 5 years old

not much of an update even if you count it as one

[visual willow]

They havent really completely reworked old trees

[fluid scroll]

I'll be happy when i get a scandinavian/Reworked German focus tree

[visual willow]

germany shouldnt be the only one with a new tree

[solid gyro]

Imo German focus rework is needed

Scandinavian and Finnish focus trees too

And maybe the Czech Hungarian romania and Yugoslavian focus trees could be updated slightly

[hollow lion]

theyve already been updated slightly

Expansion of all political branches would be nice

[visual willow]

lol even updated slightly they would still be absolutely garbage

they genuinly need entirely new trees

germany is relatively to it's potentional also better then the balkans imo

[harsh hull]

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but I think the German focus tree is fine exactly where it is

It does exactly what it needs to do to get the nazis - who I emphasize are the nazis - in the position they need to be in order to be the major threat in the European theater

Unless Paradox goes out of their way to actually portray the real world war crimes committed during WW2, anything else would be superfluous

I'd much rather see a reworked Japan tree, honestly - it's certainly much more barebones than Germany's is now

[visual willow]

a trees primary purpose is the althistory and the choices

soviets and poland show this extremely great

if you think the nazis shouldnt get a better tree because "they are nazis!!", then why did the soviets get a better tree?

they werent that much better

[harsh hull]

True

But also nobody asks for them to get an expansion as much

[visual willow]

....didnt they before nsb?

[harsh hull]

I didn't play before NSB, so I wouldn't know

Paradox is free to do whatever they want naturally, regardless of my input
But in a community poll of "should Germany get another reworked tree in the near future", I'd say no - their tree is perfectly serviceable for the base game's purpose as it stands, and doesn't need further expansion
Save it for HOI5

[slim nacelle]

would any1 like to do my german hw please @here

[harsh hull]

You know what, yeah, sure, what's the homework?

[visual willow]

it looks incredibly off compared to the new trees, and germany, along with the balkans, are incredibly outdated for the potentional and importance they have

[slim nacelle]

its like online

[visual willow]

if they consider to bring any trees up to date to not have a huge discrepancy between the old and the new, wtt and dod are definitely the first ones that need new trees

[slim nacelle]

msg me

[harsh hull]

No, sorry, I can't commit to the bit - you've called my bluff

Good luck on your homework though

[paper creek]

It will be years if hoi5 even becomes a thing

[zinc idol]

How long will they reach Southeast Asia for the DLC stuff?

[lunar folio]

5 hundred million years

[vocal kettle]

where russian chat?

[lunar folio]

Unfortunately for moderation purposes, there are only English channels. You are absolutely free to ask people who speak Russian to join you in a different server or similar

[vocal kettle]

ой ну воот

[marble crest]

I did, and people were 100% asking for soviet focus tree update

The same thing happened with Italy too, see: ISP videos prior to BBA release

[gray copper]

when they gon relese hearts of plastic VI i’ve been waiting since forever 🔥💯

[bold wolf]

Please refrain from speaking Russian in the server.

[lyric plaza]

why can't you speak russian

[jaunty nymph]

This server is english only

[solid gyro]

Danke for this information

[solid gyro]

hellio

[foggy maple]

@hollow lion

[south pumice]

Hi

[hollow lion]

@vocal kettle @zinc sluice Again, no other languages in this server

[high jolt]

Update 0.001 trees move 0.1s faster 3 gb

[pure valve]

😱😱

[visual willow]

holy shit we are actually gonna get it

designer designer

[jovial gate]

[prisma wing]

[solid gyro]

NEW DLC TIME

Developer corners restarting

Wondering who theyll focus on now

[visual willow]

guessing nordics

[pure valve]

I hope so

[prisma wing]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-palpatine-the-time-has-come-emperor-palpatine-darth-sidious-gif-19488591

[solid gyro]

Idk, South America needs flavour

Asia too actually

[visual willow]

they really dont tbf

[solid gyro]

I personally want more Alt-History paths

[visual willow]

that's the primary focus of focus trees

[solid gyro]

So that's why like I want Arabian and South American focuses

Just to have more choas and variety in the quieter places of the world

Cause uhh, nordics could get crushed easily

[visual willow]

same could be said for arabia

[keen chasm]

Hoping for an "Americas dlc"

Reworked U.S. tree, new focuses for Brazil, Argentina, Chile

It would pair well with Canada's recent updates

[visual willow]

if they do south america they should do all of south america at once

give htem a bunch of shared trees like the baltics with minor flavour differences and a few actually unique things

otherwise the region would all in all still be too bland to play in

[keen chasm]

Idk, US seems the perfect country to utilize this new "designer designer"

[visual willow]

what makes them more special for it compared to every other country

and this new feature doesnt HAVE to be linked to the trees

[wintry spoke]

sounds good to me im looking forward to it

wouldn't be surprised if its locked behind the next dlc tho lmao

[sonic vessel]

hallo freitag 18 00 mach ich einen hearts of iron server bis auf deutschland ist alles frei

[visual willow]

probably

unless it's a free update + content pack

[prisma wing]

[wintry spoke]

i reckon it will be because the last 2 dlcs have included a new designer so this sounds like its continuing the trend

[harsh hull]

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/developer-corner-military-industrial-orgs.1580554/

(The dev corner, in case someone needs the link)

An industrial company rework sounds neat

I usually ignore them - that 150pp is usually spent getting something better rather than a simple 10% research bonus

[wintry spoke]

its in #hearts-of-iron-news

[harsh hull]

what the heck, it's an invisible channel

i was wondering why the server didn't have a news section

[visual willow]

strange

[cosmic fox]

You need to select what ones you want visible in channels & roles just below the banner thing

[subtle jasper]

#off-topic message

[pliant warren]

I wonder if this means that I can dedicate an entire company to just reducing the cost of carriers lol

[drowsy plank]

Probably but then your overal ability to apply bonuses to or cheapen other ships would probably suffer badly for it

[edgy barn]

I just hope they won't make something similar to the air and naval doctrines: 3 trees with cool sounding titles that make you think they're really different but at a closer look they all boost a little bit of everything and aren't that different in the end

[placid thorn]

Finalnd focus tree or riot

[solid gyro]

I'm 100% sure this is meant to pair with Sweden

Because in every past DLC the new mechanics paired eith the added nations in some way

[jaunty yacht]

Yeah after researching for Egyptian companies for my mod at least half of them had Sweden involved

[solid gyro]

So this dev corner is probably referencing Sweden's own tank and air development during this leriod

[solid gyro]

Yeah, Sweden also made armoured cars used by other nations during the war

And I beleive Sweden Exported and made AA guns

[jaunty yacht]

Alongside with planes if I'm not wrong

[solid gyro]

I'm not sure how much they exported tho

[jaunty yacht]

Though Sweden exported a lot more of materials, and Germany took Denmark and Norway for that exact same reason, so let's hope a resource update arrives too

[solid gyro]

They usually update the materials of a nation with each dlc so probably

Norway might actually get a focus giving it a nuclear plant

Also

Yugoslavia should get more updates

Kinda like Switzerland

Because Yugoslavia tried to play off both the Axis and the Allies

Also it doesn't make sense for Prince Paul to lead the Fascist party, since he was reluctantly in charge and wasn't really a dictatot

[smoky hinge]

I don't see yugoslavia getting updated, it already did back in bftb

[solid gyro]

Yeye

Still could use it

[smoky hinge]

A lot of nations could

[solid gyro]

True

Atleast the Balkans need resistance trees

[visual willow]

Literally every nation had that
This is a overreaching stretch at best

And "peacedeals and airplanes" dont exactly fit with italy either

Again, kinda a big stretch to say they "100% fit together"

[wintry spoke]

Only thing I see that connects is bofors ab which was a Swedish company but that still doesn’t mean much lol

[gray copper]

sorry for bad quality

[solid gyro]

No I mean, of the available nations to make a focus for that is left, Sweden was the most tprolific in this field

[wintry spoke]

The Nordic countries, Belgium and Iran (maybe Ireland) are the best countries I can think of to get a new focus tree but there are focus trees that need reworking too

[visual willow]

ireland doesnt really have much tbf

you can take northern ireland

aaaannnd you're done

[wintry spoke]

True tbh

Volunteer army!

[solid gyro]

It's gonna be nordica

[solid gyro]

Ehhh, memeable Celtic Empire path

[plain elm]

What is the next area we are going to do focus trees for?

[visual willow]

obv the north pole

[plain elm]

So a Santa DLC pack?

[wintry spoke]

Liberia focus tree 💪

[visual willow]

elf commune 🙏

[plain elm]

Seems pretty legit

[visual willow]

santa will give all the naughty/fascist nations not coal but detonating nukes

[plain elm]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-nuke-gif-19842384

[visual willow]

ofc the hohohohenzollern path

[wintry spoke]

Santas workshop would work well with the designer designer

[solid gyro]

Luxembourg

[plain elm]

Santa workshop designer?

[wintry spoke]

Ye the military industrial org dev diary would work well with Santa workshop

[solid gyro]

Two Industrial organizations trees

One qhere Santa privatized his workshop

And one where he decides to collectivise it to aid the soviet war effort

[visual willow]

i hate the fact that this is actually sounding like an kinda coherent idea

[solid gyro]

Santa's American Workshop: It is clear that Santa's influence America is great, we must take this to our advantage and invest ourself in capitalism in order to produce more presents for the western girls and boys of the world!
+5% consumer goods
+20% Production efficiency/cap
+10% Factory output

Santa and the Red Struggle: Our ideology closely aligns to that of our soviet brothers, we must unite the children of the world in order to grant them presents equally! It is time to commit to the workers struggle!
-10% Consumer goods
+5% Factory Output
-10% Production cost for infantry equipment/tanks
Gain Spirit: "Expand the Sleighs and Reindeer
-30% Prodcution cost for planes
-100% upgrade cost for planes

The Fanta-stic accords:
The German expedition up north has shown Santa the true path, his red is the same red of that of the German leadership and the Coke Corporation! The elves are merely a tool to acheive Santa's greatness, it is time the North pole submit to corporatism
Gain spirit: "The elves are merely our servants"
-15% Consumer goods
-10% Stability
-20% Recruitable population
+20% Production efficiency
+20% Resource Production

---

Santa Stands Alone: It is clear that everywhere ee turn is shallow, there is no hope for the children of the world except Santa takes direct control!
-Gives all the best bonuses as well as extra recruitable population and allows you to Core every state
-Will prevent you joining factions or having any Diplomacy,-100 relations with all nations,, some may get wargoals to "liberate the pole"

[wintry spoke]

Santa has no consumer goods as his elves have nothing except hard labour everyday

[solid gyro]

Nah

Toys for the children

[safe tartan]

Consumer goods will always be the bane of my existence

[static pecan]

Will the air force be replaced by reindeers?

[lucid acorn]

Lemme do another pass, because I love this idea:

Santa's American Workshop: It is clear that Santa's influence in America is great, and his recent ad campaign with the Coca-Cola Corporation has made that even stronger. We should capitalize on that, quickly.
+5% consumer goods
+20% Production efficiency/cap
+10% Factory output

Santa and the Red Struggle: Santa has always been kind to his elves, but perhaps it’s time to expand that kindness further and assist our red siblings.
-10% Consumer goods
+10% Factory Output
-10% Production cost for infantry equipment/tanks
Gain Spirit: "Expand the Sleighs and Reindeer
-30% Prodcution cost for planes
-100% upgrade cost for planes
Join the Comintern

Silent Night:
The German expedition to the North has shown us many ways we could increase production. For the children, surely?
Gain spirit: "The elves are merely our servants"
-15% Consumer goods
-10% Stability
+20% Recruitable population
+20% non-core manpower
+20% Factory Output
+20% Resource Production
Join the Axis, option to become a German puppet, maybe overthrow Santa

---

The German expedition to our home in the North has shown us that the world is in chaos. There is no hope for the children of the world, unless Santa Claus takes control.

-30% Consumer goods
Quick total mobilization, extensive conscription, no trade
Ability to core territory for temporary consumer goods, requires high compliance
“Distribute presents” garrison option, massive boost to compliance, reduction of resistance, and recruitable population for negative factory output and resource gain.
No diplomacy other than declaring war and conditional surrender. Instant -200 to all relations with everyone.
+30% attack, defense, and factory output, -30% supply consumption

Also have an event every December where everyone gets supply for the 25th-31st

I have no context, I just saw what you posted and had ideas

Also, “Distribute Presents” would 100% be available for any ideology

Oh, also, the Capitalist path could be made more interesting by having you either annex or go to war with America, depending on what you both pick

Maybe puppet

[lapis crow]

+20% Rec Pop is criminal
+20% Factory Prod is criminal

[lucid acorn]

So are all the paths and I love it

This is one of those things where I feel like every path SHOULD be overpowered, because it’s more fun

Honestly, mostly the last one. Since you’re in an alliance, the other three are allowed to be weaker.

I just want a massive downside with a good upside for going Axis, but I can’t think of anything beyond even less stability

Funny enough, I can’t think of a reason Santa Claus would do that

[lapis crow]

Santa Claus as german leader

bonus in winter attrition

[lucid acorn]

Ooh that’d be a good leader trait to just give to Santa in general

[wintry spoke]

saint nicholas ussr general

[lapis crow]

General Winter as USSR general

Or bonus

[solid gyro]

Ohhhhhh

[quasi sinew]

Japan should have a decision or Focus "Strike pearl" Harbor like they have "Marco Polo Bridge incident". And it'll give Topple Government war goal to USA.

[polar jasper]

Game is now fixed for me basically

[polar jasper]

It is called "Strike the Philippines" and let's you use the coordinated strike operation on the US so you can pearl harbor technically

Only if you have La Resistance I guess

[quasi sinew]

I have all the dlcs

[quasi sinew]

you can do coordinated strikes without any focuses as well

[polar jasper]

You need a war goal, and it so happens the war goal on the Philippines also counts as 1 for thr US

[lethal abyss]

celtic union and balance of power could be fun

like goverment or ira

[solid gyro]

Artillery Space Marines

does that even work?

[tiny brook]

When will the open beta become a regular release?

[hollow lion]

unknown

[tiny brook]

Cheers @hollow lion !

[hollow lion]

👍

[graceful dagger]

I have created an FAQ Post on the forum for what I posted in #hearts-of-iron-news
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-leaving-game-pass-15th-of-may-faq.1583008/

[finite tangle]

To be fair, it did suck that you couldn't play multiplayer with HOI4 on Gamepass with steam people

i don't see any other reason for having it on gamepass only

[tight sedge]

Is there a way to convert to steam and keep my dlcs?

[zenith cargo]

No, if you buy the base game on Microsoft store you can continue playing as normal though

[rocky mauve]

You could still crossplay, but the sucky parts were delayed updates and no subscription

[solar yacht]

you can play cross platform, the nakama MP option was added for that exact reason

[solid gyro]

[solid gyro]

Suggestion for a German rework, add more debuffs for stuff like operation Barbarossa since it’s hard for the USSR to push back Germany during it, like a disorganization speed and major snow debuff like they did in no step back

[solid gyro]

Somehow Germany needs a rework similar to RT56 where they can diplomatically get allies or go for war

It kinda has it in vanilla but I think it needs to be further, including sudtyrol as a core for Germany too

[finite tangle]

oh

I remember trying it but it didn't really work

so I just bought it on steam and played it with friends

they got me into the HOI4 addiction

[solid gyro]

Vanilla is heavily allied favored, dont nerf Germany even more

[solid gyro]

Nahhh we need German buffs & debuffs, or atleast a rework to prepare for that shit

Germans screwed themselves lol

There should be decisions for which plan to use n shit

[halcyon fjord]

i can no longer save my game even in ironman mode

[pure valve]

#ask-for-help-here or #tech-support

[rocky mauve]

The USSR can do pushes by '42 assuming the context is SP and the player is a Soviet starting on '36

Specially if they let Kiev, Minsk and Odessa fall for the Order 227 bonuses

German fascist base focuses could use a brush up tho yea

And while I firmly believe Soviet military should be a lot weaker at '41, this would just make the Soviet AI surrender on all games rather than get stuck on the Urals

[torn copper]

"War too hard, nerf military, nerf everyone." t-reddit user.

[neon ore]

Be better
L

[jaunty iris]

[rocky mauve]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The Great Purge in-game doesn't really do it justice to the USSR, its just losing a wee bit advisors, some generals and that's that

The Red Army is practically unscathed and any reasonably well learned SP player will wreck everything no problemo

Huh I'm curious how RT56 handles the Great Purge

Hmhmhmhmhh

[rocky mauve]

Hecc it time to finally learn RT56

[finite tangle]

idk a way of talking to ck3 devs/community people

but the new patch crashes the game a lot if you group up armies

[polar jasper]

1939 soviet start date makes you feel the pain of the purge

[rocky mauve]

And the pain of thinking someone fell asleep for the first three years

[visual willow]

The game isnt balancable around SP so that's a mood point

[rocky mauve]

Eh that's fair

Won't stop me from wishing we (Soviets) were weaker!

[visual willow]

In MP it's pretty well balanced i thought

[rocky mauve]

Can not speak for MP

¯_(ツ)_/¯

SP weeb

[visual willow]

Yeah and like i said, you can't balance for sp

If you make soviets weaker so that you are equal to AI germany

Then in Mp there simply is no game

And if you are playing anyone but soviets, they will have a weaker army then hungary because it's AI with the debuffs

[rocky mauve]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It is what it is

[visual willow]

What you really want is competent AI

[rocky mauve]

Even just giving them competent templates and designs would do wonders

Maybe as a toggle because hot damn cute newbies will probably get steam rolled even harder on their first few hours

:sadsalute:

[visual willow]

Maybe a.... difficulty setting?

[rocky mauve]

Granted, you now gain -30% political power, -30% research speed and less efficiency cap

[visual willow]

Yeah which is a shit way to balance

[rocky mauve]

Wdym debuffing oneself isn't actually a very good way to make the game harder!

/s

Blessed be mods for being able to patch what Paradox can't / isn't willing to devote time into

[hollow lion]

Road to 56*

😄

[rocky mauve]

I'm aware. Those things should be in the base game :P

[turbid zinc]

its paradox, nothings gonna be in the base game lol

[visual willow]

major historical focus trees
reworked peace treaties
better commander stats from WTT
supply system

[lucid acorn]

Yeah but then I can’t get achievements unless I toggle it on, and I already have problems with how restrictive it is

[lunar folio]

At this point it’s just gonna be HOI4 having no basegame content soon…
Stellaris gets entire DLC-sized free updates, CK3 had a massive free update with Tours and Tournamanents

[gray sand]

I didnt realise how much more had been added since base game till i got all dlcs its crazy

Such a cash grab

[lunar folio]

I mean it is Paradox’s main way of profiting

And hey, in the end they know people will buy them whether they’re shit or not

[gray sand]

True

[lunar folio]

Like they can release the most garbage awful DLC for 16 bucks and then everybody will still buy it

[gray sand]

Paradox got me feeling like a crack addict the way it abuses us as a community waiting for these extortionate dlcs

Got me fiending for a new drop 😦

[lunar folio]

Then you have us over in Stellaris with our 2 free updates and 4 very good DLC since BBA released

[gray sand]

Never even heard of it

[lunar folio]

It’s science fiction so it’s quite different to the other Paradox GSGs

[gray sand]

That looks sick

Im too scared to get it

I will just get actually addicted to it

[solid gyro]

Paradox should just add road to 56 stuff into the game for free

[gray sand]

“Connoisseur of femboys”

Fair enough🤣

[lunar folio]

I mean, Paradox does technically own all workshop content

[solid gyro]

Road to 56 has so much research and focuses not doing it would be stupidity

[solid gyro]

They should add it

It's a free dlc

For them to cash cow

[gray sand]

Isnt road to 56 just expanded focus trees?

[lunar folio]

Although unlike the Discord getting annexed I’m not sure how accepting RT56 would be to being annexed

[solid gyro]

And new ones

[gray sand]

Ive not really gone into the modding community but i am keeping a mental list of them all

[solid gyro]

RT56 is actually extremely historical

[gray sand]

I would imagine rt56 probably screwed paradox over somewhat

It looks pretty expansive and they cant just start ripping off their modding community

Especially with such a prevalent mod

[solid gyro]

If you ignore alt history

[lunar folio]

I wasn’t personally a fan of RT56’s style of focus trees, but I definitely admire the amount of effort that goes in and well, the amount of content compared to basegame

[lunar folio]

On the contrary. Most people who play mods still buy DLC, and mods keep them playing the game

[solid gyro]

RT56 around 10 devs

Hoi4 around 100

[gray sand]

Thats fair enough i guess it could go both ways

Is it alt his or hist focused mod then

[lunar folio]

Where’d you grt that number for number HOI4 devs

[solid gyro]

I'm assuming

[lunar folio]

History focused

[gray sand]

Probably accuratish

[lunar folio]

Oh so you made it up

[solid gyro]

Mostly historical

There is alt history aswel

[gray sand]

Ahh

I need to give it a try then

[solid gyro]

Bro what the fook

[lunar folio]

I think I read there’s only 6 permanent devs for HOI4

[solid gyro]

Why does hoi4 only have 6 devs

There most profitable game

[gray sand]

That explains a lot

[solid gyro]

6 devs

Lmfao

[lunar folio]

It’s because they can get away with it

[gray sand]

I love how hoi4 is like 25th most concurrent playerbase on steam and theres only 6 divs

[solid gyro]

Even games like terraria have more devs

[lunar folio]

They know even if the DLC content is shit and the update is buggy and doesn’t work, people will slurp it all up anyways

[gray sand]

Dont diss terraria it probably has more depth than hoi

[lunar folio]

More depth and it’s bloody 2D

[solid gyro]

Literally all DLC for hoi4 is mandatory for an historical game

[gray sand]

Im just waiting for that south american drop👀👀👀👀👀

[solid gyro]

Without it the axis always wins

It's a mess

[lunar folio]

4 years

[gray sand]

I need that Nicaraguan focus😩

[gray sand]

I found it the opposite

Axis defo win more with than without the dlcs

[solid gyro]

Only south American country's I see getting focuses is Argentina Brazil Chile and Peru and columbia

[gray sand]

I got all dlcs after 400hrs abt a week ago

Im not just saying that i did notice it

[lunar folio]

This is probably a cause of either confirmation bias, or the fact that probability (AI decisionmaking) is really weird

[solid gyro]

I was forced to buy hoi4 because they are removing it from gamepass

[gray sand]

The allies would not stop naval invading in vanilla it was rough germany would eventually give out

[solid gyro]

It's DLC that adds AI balancing

Which makes it p2w

[lunar folio]

Basically it’s incredibly difficult to make a truly random number

[solid gyro]

In base game there's almost no balance

[gray sand]

Maybe if they had that 7th dev that would have it figured

[solid gyro]

DLCS like la resistance waking the tiger and man the guns should be base game

[gray sand]

Thats like a 15% increase in manpower working on finding a random nimber

[solid gyro]

Those 3

Are mandatory

They should be base game

But they arent

[gray sand]

I mean

They should all be base game

[lunar folio]

They actually did make a Waking the Tiger feature basegame in BBA

[solid gyro]

You can't use spearheads without dlc

You can't annex puppets without dlc

You can't request lend lease without dlc

[lunar folio]

I’m fine with focuses being DLC since well, they gotta earn money somehow, but yes it is quite frankly bs how little is basegame

[solid gyro]

They sell base game for £36

It's a rip off

Paradox sell vital updates

[gray sand]

Yel

Yel

[solid gyro]

They are a reasonably big company

[lunar folio]

But he problem is, people buy them anyway

So why would they stop

[gray sand]

Yep

Im not sure how i spent 400 hours in basegame

The dlcs add so so much

[solid gyro]

Once I played base game UK and Italy completely decimated me

Like

[gray sand]

Oof

[solid gyro]

I had convoy raiding around uk

[gray sand]

The italian ai in dlcs has become braindead as your ally tho

[solid gyro]

And italy somehow landed in Isle of man

[lunar folio]

Smartest AI ever

[gray sand]

Its the isle of man who cares

[solid gyro]

And it was 100% naval supremacy

[solid gyro]

Isle of man is the most manly

It's very vital

They are gigamous chadious

[gray sand]

Cockermouth

What would uk do without it

[solid gyro]

Fr

Susex

Esex

[gray sand]

True

Servers kinda dead atm

😦

It was popping off then i had to go do revision

Cod waw time baby

[solid gyro]

ECocks, Cornwall ©Tony Atkin.

Shitterton ©Chris Downer.

UKS business names are crazy

[gray sand]

Bell end in wourstershire

Or however you spell that shu

[twilit bay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937343269426303017/953752516871467099/Unbekannt.gif

[cunning dome]

mehehe

[cunning coral]

HE

[cosmic fox]

That is the old sign
It has been replaced by a 1.5t Purbeck Stone so no one can put it in the back of a Fiesta

It is a small hamlet in Dorset

[gray sand]

Your not british if you havent chucked a street sign or traffic cone in the back of your ford fiesta at least once

[zenith cargo]

Thats a weird rumor that started after NSB I think, but a false one

It was approximately people involved in post-release patching at the time, so a subset of the entire team

Also it doesn't account for stuff like "I spend 40% of working hours fixing bugs and 60% doing other secret stuff"

But then people misrepresented what the person wrote, spread across the internet and became a popular PDX myth 🙂

Kinda like the myth that no one understands the Vic2 code, when Podcat and Johan are still working here :p

[gray sand]

Its cool theres devs in this server 🙂

I wouldnt imagine the game would only have 6 full time devs that makes a lot of sense

[plain terrace]

,.

[hallow pivot]

yo

where can I find WW1 mod

[prisma wing]

Great War Redux

On the Workshop

[sudden mortar]

"Fix for Belgium Congo sometimes flipping to Germany after Belgium capitulates."

Lowkey so helpful always had this happen in my games haha

[alpine wagon]

what in the world????

how is the update this big??

[desert rover]

actually xd

[edgy walrus]

Another patch without adding Quebec as a releasable country...

[alpine wagon]

rizzz

[graceful dagger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1019228144684761148/1108009231988297758/Discord-Banner-Gif.gif

[civic yarrow]

wow that truly is a heart of iron

There should be an iron heart emoji

[visual willow]

Finally i can do tank/mech only canada without begging the Uk for extra equipment

[cosmic falcon]

That really looks cool.

[high pumice]

Do you think the International Market is only for second-hand equipment or countries will be able to order new equipment?

[wintry spoke]

Probably new equipment too if you wished cuz if they didn’t then it’s basically the same as licenses

In singleplayer the ai will only let you have the outdated stuff so I doubt it’ll be the same thing

[visual willow]

looks like you can put everything on it

[visual willow]

licenses lets you make equipment yourself
buying it still relies on someone else making it

[high pumice]

But then the whole world can buy all its arms from Luxembourg, right?

[wintry spoke]

No cuz they can’t make enough lol

[high pumice]

Because there's no mention that making equipment consumes MILs

[visual willow]

i dont think they would be able to make enough

????

what?

have you played the game yet

[high pumice]

In real life, yes. But in this design, why not?

[wintry spoke]

Oh I see well looking forward to it then

I only skimmed through the diary

[high pumice]

Countries selling arms get GIVEN CIC in exchange for the arms. So Luxembourg gets given CIC into its Bank, if I read the DD correctly.

[visual willow]

if you can make equipment come out of thin air via this, that would be an exploit then likely

[visual willow]

in exchange

you still need the arms to begin with, or at the very least the capability to make them soon enough

[high pumice]

For the equipment. If it's second-hand only, fair enough. But if it's new equipment that it comes out of thin air then the economy breaks.

[visual willow]

no?

where are you getting from that the equipment magically appears

[high pumice]

My reading is that it's second-hand only, but most forum comments seem to assume otherwise.

[visual willow]

where is it mentioned it's second hand only

and again, where is it mentioned you can magically make equipment appear

[wintry spoke]

I’m sure paradox wouldn’t want Luxembourg to be able to supply the world so they would make it so you have to produce the guns

[visual willow]

you have equipment
you can sell that equipment
countries can ask to buy equipment
you can choose to give that equipment

i dont get how this is too complicated

[high pumice]

"We need to add equipment" to the market is ambiguous as to whether it's second-hand or not.

[visual willow]

it's either old first or you can choose which one

[high pumice]

Where? It's not mentioned anywhere in the diary.

[visual willow]

and at best you still will not magically create equipment out of thin air unless it's exploitable

[visual willow]

sell
buy

[high pumice]

So you also think it's second-hand sales only? No new production?

[wintry spoke]

Wonder if they’ll make an equipment designer where you choose your type of ammunition so you can’t use any type of gun freely

[visual willow]

this one directly mentions production

[visual willow]

i think you can (and this is gonna be a real shocker) you can sell what you have 🙂

[high pumice]

So if I don't have any tanks in my stockpile, it can't be in my market and so there can be no new production of tanks, right?

[visual willow]

you can put your stockpile in the market so again, it seems like you can choose what kind of equipment you sell on the market

[visual willow]

if you dont have tanks you can't sell them, or the contract gets breached or something

otherwise the other player forgets that they arent getting shit ig

[high pumice]

But what you have where? What you have in your stockpile+divisions or what you have the potential to produce?

[visual willow]

equipment in your divisions/on the field arent in your stockpile iirc

otherwise deficits wont exist

how can you have -1k guns if you have 10k in the field if you think like that

[high pumice]

I know, that's why I specified stockpile+divisions.

[high pumice]

Thank you, I see where that fits in.

[visual willow]

i wonder how much upgrading the MIO will be and if something like this would be even worth it

[shy hornet]

Oh ma lawd

Truly amazing

still waiting for north dobruja state

[visual willow]

lots of states would be extremely cool to be ingame

[wintry spoke]

Can’t wait to buy the ai’s full stockpile then invade them

[shy hornet]

melmedy, schleswig

[visual willow]

i can't wait to just straight up never make trucks and sup eq again

[wintry spoke]

Trucks are cheap but I agree with support equip

[shy hornet]

so u can sell equipment in what update

[visual willow]

exactly why i dont wanna put mils on them 😎

[shy hornet]

next one?

[visual willow]

no this devdairy was about 2 updates ago

[shy hornet]

that didnt answer the question

[visual willow]

i did

this devdairy was for the update 2 major updates ago

[shy hornet]

so its in game now

[visual willow]

obv

[shy hornet]

i didnt notice it

[visual willow]

yeah they took it out 3 updates ago for being too buggy because you could play some backdoor developer stuff that was 4 years ahead

the pdx devs themselves didnt even know they where gonna add those things yet you could play it

[wintry spoke]

Mfw I buy ai tanks (they are unusable metal squares)

[shy hornet]

Ceding land mechanic would be good

There are lots of simple mechanics that arent in the game

[wintry spoke]

Simple on paper but hard to perfect I feel like

[visual willow]

those are ingame though

theres a lot of focuses and a few decisions which seed land

and if it's a core you can give it too

[shy hornet]

You cant cede lands you want to any country u want

[shy hornet]

State transfer tool works fine

[visual willow]

a state transfer tool for puppets and stuff would be great

but the AI will not be able to use it obv

[shy hornet]

But it should be integrated into vanilla hoi4

[wintry spoke]

I agree but I was saying about your other sentence about simple mechanics not in the game

[shy hornet]

Well they are simple right

[wintry spoke]

Depends

[visual willow]

a "ceding land" mechanic isnt exactly like integrated state transfer tool MP

sounds more like you would be able to only give land to countries, not shuffle it around

[shy hornet]

Thats the whole point

[shy hornet]

Another simple mechanic would be releasing puppets with lands you choose

Not their

[wintry spoke]

Thought you could release them not as a puppet or do you mean just let them be free anytime you want

[visual willow]

if they integrate state transfer tool MP they should change the release/give land back options aswell anywyas

no reason to have the "give land back" option then

[shy hornet]

Both

Release a nation with chosen borders

[wintry spoke]

I mean it’d be aight but I’d prefer them just working on cooler stuff quicker even if it is simple af

Don’t think I’d use it much

[visual willow]

i dont think it would be too much effort

when you click "release as puppet" (which would always be there with STT), you should be able to click on the states you want to release them in

it would borrow practically the same mechanics as teh STT but hopefully with highlighting the states

[finite pulsar]

-Democratic Italy can now send volunteers to Spain after completing the Aid for Spanish Republic focus. I can't see it in the Italy focus tree in a new game after updating?

[visual willow]

it's not like this for you?

[visual willow]

socialist dcemocratic italy

[finite pulsar]

does the whole focus tree change?

[visual willow]

not constitutional democracy

[visual willow]

do you have by blood alone?

[finite pulsar]

orly?

:/

damn

i guess now's the time to get it..

[finite pulsar]

I do now. lol

oops

Got it :)

[solid gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/mauzy-mice-gif-17645860421574879161

[wintry spoke]

Amazing

[manic saffron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/920748850216595507/1093265207863808061/attachment.gif

[solid gyro]

hoi4 ate my wallet

thank you.

[sour socket]

Out of curiosity; does anyone know if we'll get the cut content for NSB implemented sometime in the future?

[hollow lion]

Id imagine they try

[visual willow]

Which cut content btw?

[graceful dagger]

https://discord.gg/hoi4?event=1106957902520012870

[sour socket]

Democratic path for Russia; Allegedly all paths were going to be able to release stuff

[visual willow]

Well i mean making the soviets be able to just release countries, but not their starting nations would be wonferfull and not too much effort

[zenith cargo]

There's always stuff during game development that gets cut for various reasons

[jovial belfry]

why is Katten sending invite links everywhere

[wintry spoke]

Good question

[hollow lion]

Hes a spammer

[wintry spoke]

Broke rule 7

[honest hazel]

wow the new dev diary looks amazing

[keen chasm]

looks sick :)

[wintry spoke]

It does I just hope it’s viable and not something most people ignore cuz it’s ‘not meta’

[spice shoal]

it’s gonna pull a license production and be horrible

the -production is horrific and everything worthwhile takes so many civs

it should be -efficiency, not -production

[coral flax]

when is the mandarin coming

the language

[solid gyro]

latest updates

[solid gyro]

tommorow

[fresh kettle]

EPIC

[sacred quiver]

ah yes lets get chinese language in the game while it is banned in china

[copper tangle]

Omg capybara hot coems 🤑

[forest quartz]

I have been playing HOI4 on game pass and had bought lots of DLC but now the game has been removed from game pass and can't use the DLC i bought. Is there something that can be done??????????

[zenith cargo]

Buying the base game allows you to continue as normal

[nocturne sage]

a same im kinda pissed about it ngl lmao so i just got it on steam but that was like $120 down the drain

[visual willow]

I thought you could buy the game on microsoft store then

[zenith cargo]

You can

[opaque marlin]

Taiwan

And Chinese immigrants

[sour stream]

Hey i need help with my game version I can't tell if it's up to date

My version is b721

[hollow lion]

thats the newest

[sour stream]

Alright thanks

[harsh hull]

That isn't lo-fi at all by the traditional definition, but you know what, one of the comments by the channel operator called it "HOI-fi", so fair enough

[keen chasm]

YEAH AND I LOVED IT

[solid gyro]

Proof

[chrome vortex]

what's the latest update

[sacred quiver]

fair mb

[dull tundra]

when wil they announce dlc?

[hollow lion]

theyve already released information for a next big update

just no release date

[dull tundra]

when?

international markets and mios?

[dull tundra]

thanks! sorry to be hasty

[hollow lion]

yup

[dull tundra]

less then a week till the next one! 🙂

[visual willow]

I wonder when the tree reveals will come

I assume one in the next 2?

[sinful solar]

i wish they would focus on updating the AI

its just so horrible

at everything

at the very least make it so AI prioritizes coring focuses if it has occupied land it can core

like ill have games where i let lithuania occupy the baltics or let hungary occupy the balkans and they just sit there refusing to do their coring focuses, negating the entire reason I gave them the land

also for some reason the AI never produces enough convoys

and never uses tanks properly

just once in the entire game i’d like to see an AI country intentionally get an encirclement with tanks

the stupidity of the AI kinda ruins single-player mode for most players

[visual willow]

Lithuania doesnt really have a coring focus iirc

[visual willow]

That's why you larp instead of think you are gonna have a difficult game

[dark wave]

Hes probably playing rt56 lithuania can core baltics and some of poland iirc

[visual willow]

Then it's not a paradox AI issue and not relevant so i doubt that

[eager drum]

90172820500159491 come play and just have fun

[sinful solar]

Yes they do…

Fascist lithuania can core all of the baltics

without any mods

they can do the same with poland

instead they just sit there

and dont do shit

same issue with manchuria

as japan

manchuria will go all the way down the cooperative focus path

and then they just sit there

refusing to annex menjiang with the focus

and refusing to core all of china with the focus

so you can’t even give them china

[visual willow]

But then ONLY if they have already acess to that path, probably not if you puppet them

Lithuania usually has to do their formable decision from WTT to unite the baltics

[sacred quiver]

unhistorical

[sinful solar]

yea the historical paths are a bit boring

AI shouldn’t fumble when its on ahistorical

[slow willow]

The

[pure valve]

next

[sacred quiver]

update

[lofty ingot]

Guys
Is savings from 1.12.13 compatible with 1.12.14?

[lunar folio]

Yes

[lofty ingot]

Cool

[inland dagger]

@everyone

[cobalt crest]

?

[sour socket]

Does anyone know roughly when the next dovbleg is coming?

[visual willow]

Should be today

[dull tundra]

it's past nine

will it upload at 10?

[solid gyro]

what will the next devblog contain

[visual willow]

me

[dull tundra]

when will we see the dev corner?!!!!!

[neat jolt]

I think they had to delay it