hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

WEll it went to fking 91 💀

[tardy marten]

So 50% is alright

[bright arrow]

Theres no point in doing secret rearmament as Commie Hungary, the civil war gets ride of it

[eternal palm]

Anything below 75 is fine

[spiral salmon]

Thats the thing how it got that high

[eternal palm]

If I had unpaused on that very frame I wouldve lost

[spiral salmon]

How many generals you did not kill

[eternal palm]

....I got a bad event and had to take 35 paranoia

I literally said this above

[fallen vigil]

guys how do i get "political support points"

[eternal palm]

Oh and I had to reject corrupt beaurocracy

[spiral salmon]

Ah didnt see it mb

[tardy marten]

Is it focus that compete with kuomintang?

[fallen vigil]

yess

[spiral salmon]

I never gotten deep with communist china

[tardy marten]

Communist China army > Kuomintang army

Damn those negative modifier hurts

[eternal palm]

ARe you for real right now

[bright arrow]

Kommunist China is pretty fun

[tardy marten]

Kill

[eternal palm]

I never had this much bad luck in 6k hours of playing

[spiral salmon]

Oh i cant say the f word?

[eternal palm]

say fk

Works

[eternal palm]

Highkey did

[drifting oracle]

don quixote

[spiral salmon]

Oh

[eternal palm]

Zhukov is so irrelevant

[spiral salmon]

Vreach vollibur

How do i NOT make china leave the faction and fight japan alone

[tardy marten]

If I kidnap Kai sek and force alliance, we both -100 opinion and still going fine

In faction as well

[lunar topaz]

Real

[spiral salmon]

Maybe i should've capture thag kai sek...

[tardy marten]

Send him to Stalin

[spiral salmon]

I did in my run

[lunar topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/zhukov-zsukov-zsukov-marsall-zhukov-marshal-soviet-army-gif-17174209

[spiral salmon]

They deny it

[tardy marten]

"What you bring him to my office, get ou.. "
-Stalin seeing Kai Shek in his office

[spiral salmon]

Is it rng or very dependable on political opinions

[azure palm]

Why am I doing this? I dont know, but I can

Everything Thermonuclear Missiles btw

[spiral salmon]

PARATROOPERS RAAAG

oh.

[craggy trail]

[spiral salmon]

Why so less on US

[azure palm]

I have 0 on the US because im not at war with them

[hoary knot]

no more wake wake

[spiral salmon]

[hoary knot]

naaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh duglas

bro he will crush me

[bright arrow]

Your cooked now

The Earth is coming

[glass lark]

Boat

[spiral salmon]

Better pray soviets will help you

[glass lark]

homie WHAT

[azure palm]

Vancouver is the last one standing. Theyre not gonna exist in a few seconds

0 Base War support and theyre somehow still over 50%

[south tendon]

why are every game from paradox updating with dlc

[gritty fjord]

bro why did no one tell me that subs are like really op 💀 i just sank like half the jap navy with 30

[unique crag]

Hey so uhh, i want to take every nation possible as germany, and im wondering if italy or switzerland will join the allies if i attack them?

(im not at war with the allies)

[tardy marten]

Italy join allies?

I don't think UK ai will guarantee Mussolini

[unique crag]

nah but like, can they join them after i declare war?

[hoary knot]

nobody gonna beat me

[tardy marten]

Maybe no

[unique crag]

belgium did the same and they werent guaranteed

in my last game atleast

[tardy marten]

UK has less interest to guarantee fascists nations

Should be fine attacking italy

But Swiss maybe not really

[unique crag]

and can i somehow make france stop guaranteeing romania?

Or turkey?

[zinc light]

I think they do that themselves, dunno when exactly

[tardy marten]

Buy time, France focus

[zinc light]

Turkey loses all guarantees through one of their focuses early '39

[unique crag]

say less

[unique crag]

what if i make romania fascist?

[zinc light]

You have a 70 day window to get em, then they get new ones

[unique crag]

with spies?

[zinc light]

That should work

[unique crag]

alright

[zinc light]

But topple government is so painful to do

It's Not fun and takes ages

[paper echo]

is this a hard mod

it looks cool

[unique crag]

happens every game bruh

[hoary knot]

it depends i didnt know the landed back to north i didnt see it

[paper echo]

whats the name

[tardy marten]

Spain without s

[azure palm]

Okay what is the point of "Personal Union"? I dont understand, I made scotland my personal union and is that now just a monarchist Supervised state or what?

[sudden thistle]

Wait until u push them to Inchon

Or that port in the south east

[paper echo]

thanks

[hoary knot]

the land in different position

[unique crag]

i smell free non-world war land

[hoary mortar]

Fellas

do u guys think Strat bombers are viable? I kinda wanna spam a ton of them next game

just carpet bomb UK, rearrange their topography

[paper echo]

W

[paper echo]

cuz of all the buffs

[atomic vortex]

when albania dlc

[azure palm]

I know but still...

[azure palm]

Never. We dont need albania in the game anyways, italy always annexes them

[paper echo]

when germany actually does non hist paths on non historical mode

so never

[atomic vortex]

it would be funny tho

at least like a Italy albanian cooperation tree

[paper echo]

ethiopia also gets annexed even before albania and it still got content

but yeah i dont think albania would add alot of stuff

[atomic vortex]

albania could be like a Canada for Italy

[paper echo]

if they add content it would probably just be a small focus pack

[atomic vortex]

better than nothing

btw

what dlc should I buy

[paper echo]

what dlc do oyu have currently

[atomic vortex]

I have none

I mean except the freebies they gave pit

out

[paper echo]

buy no step back and by blood alone first

la resistance is also good

[simple citrus]

guys
i nuked tokyo
and japan
capitulated

[simple citrus]

is it coded to be like that

[paper echo]

was it already towards capitulation

[simple citrus]

i kinda like uh
just like
took french indochina and landed on hokkaido

[broken sky]

Depends if you have a big industry that isn't heavy on microing your mil factories

[simple citrus]

not much i just too south sakhalin and hokkaido

[atomic vortex]

echidna plays hoi4?

[broken sky]

For example, the UK... though it isn't really great IC wise, but the range is welcome(?)

[paper echo]

strange

[simple citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/re-zero-echidna-lick-gif-5999064628241931956

yup

[atomic vortex]

my day couldn't get better

[wet plover]

Well I tried it and the allies didn’t join but the Soviet Union did still want the other half when I did the Molotov-rippentroff pact

So mostly a win

[simple citrus]

isn't it like Ribbentrop

how one could possibly spell that surname ass rippentroff

[wet plover]

Because I was going off vague memory

[tardy marten]

Ribbentrop

[broken sky]

oh geez

this scam again

[tardy marten]

Damn I'm too slow

What's going on

[proud sparrow]

I have like 8 filters for it, they're very persistent on trying to scam people lol

[broken sky]

Leningrad is barely holding on

[frank acorn]

I accidentally revived the Kaiser... help

[broken sky]

Kiev and Smolensk is dead

[simple citrus]

fym accidentally bruh

[frank acorn]

Bro idk

[sudden thistle]

Uk is goated wdym

[tardy marten]

Round 2 for whillie

[simple citrus]

i accidentally won as manchu-kuo against japan and japanese chinese puppet

[broken sky]

Only for the most desperate and or naive

[broken sky]

Logi-bombing

[simple citrus]

type shi

[tardy marten]

How war score works, deal as much damage as possible?

[simple citrus]

wtf

[simple citrus]

yes

[frank acorn]

This reminds me to play as China

[proud sparrow]

You'd be surprised how uncommon it is to have common sense to understand that MR Beast or other celebrities aren't actually trying to give you money lmao

[tardy marten]

So that China 1% capitulation against Japan have lots of score and annex Korea

I guess it doesn't matter if you about to die but deal so much damage, you get high war score

[simple citrus]

mr bust gave me 700 dloras for clik ing on this li knk a.com

[sudden thistle]

Did u do decision.nochecks?

[simple citrus]

no

i didn't even know this was a thing

i'm playing on historical

if anything

[sudden thistle]

Did u help Germany win the war then

[simple citrus]

yes
i invaded soviets

[misty fossil]

literally the chinese century

[frank acorn]

China

[simple citrus]

qing

[azure palm]

For some reason the decision to core the isles isnt there

[tardy marten]

European Union has British?

[azure palm]

you can core the UK and Ireland if you do that

[simple citrus]

nuking cities is quite literally one of the funniest things about hoi4

[azure palm]

the decision was there. Its just gone now

and the decision to intergrate allies and puppets isnt there either even if it was there

[lone sail]

Italy should get savoy and Corsica if they join the war against France

[true needle]

I wonder if heavy fighters with bomb locks would be worth it as a minor nation

yeah they are more expensive than regular fighters but they get a 25% increase to air superiority and have much longer range, they trade better with regular fighters often being able to hold their own when outnumbered, and adding bomb locks means you dont need to make CAS anymore

[simple citrus]

is unified china a minor nation

WHAT THEVFUCK

38 MA PWEOR

38 MILLIONS

WHAT

[opal nymph]

Actually try it out.

Multiroles mean only 1 production line. Heavy fighters arent the worst in singleplayer

[obsidian token]

whatever happend to gary cooper

[opal nymph]

Put some cannons/hmgs and some bomb locks

[azure palm]

what is the point of the PDX Bot btw? Is it for problems in the game or in the server or something?

[true needle]

yeah but now that I think about it heavy fighters are insanely expensive, often 2-3x that of regular fighters

[simple citrus]

server

[opal nymph]

Eh, if they can shoot down more than they are killed, it is fine

[sudden thistle]

Look at the greater Italy path

[true needle]

thats the problem, would going multiroll make them good enough to justify not using regular fighters/CAS?

[opal nymph]

You have more firepower and can put more defense.

[true needle]

or would they suck at shooting down fighters and at ground support

[opal nymph]

Probably not, but who needs to do the meta anyways

[simple citrus]

what

[true needle]

me because I am not good enough to do a world conquest as tannu tuva with 0 divisions

[opal nymph]

It is optimal to do fighters and cas

Oh

You need just pure fighters

You won't be making CAS for a bit

[proud sparrow]

It allows us to manage the server and also have tickets for people having issues in our servers

If you have game issues and stuff the forum is the place to go to :)

[unique crag]

if i attack saudi arabia or yemen as germany (not at war with allies) will they join the allies and get me into a full blown war or will it just be free land?

[opal nymph]

Depends

[unique crag]

on?

[opal nymph]

World tension, how much you generated

[true needle]

100% chance UK guarantees the moment you justify so yes, infinite hyperwar

[opal nymph]

Not always

[unique crag]

alot

i too ireland

baltic

marocco

italy

bulgaria

[opal nymph]

Well

Yep, that is a war with the allies

[unique crag]

alr

[opal nymph]

25% global and 10% generated will cause guarantees

[zinc light]

Easy to avoid, justify on random small nations Like yemen and liberia
Every extra guarantee costs more PS, eventually they'll Run out

Well, in this Case Not yemen lmao

[opal nymph]

But why invade the middle east

[unique crag]

what about independant sahara?

[opal nymph]

Not many resources

[opal nymph]

Wdym, I told you when guarantees come into effect

[unique crag]

i just finished justification and theres no guarantees

on neither of them

[opal nymph]

Then there you go, no guarantees I guess

Unless

[unique crag]

i want world domination btw

[opal nymph]

100% world tension

[unique crag]

?

[unique crag]

uhh

[opal nymph]

100% world tension means anyone can join any faction

[unique crag]

then uhh...

[opal nymph]

Well, you are doing a world conquest, right?

Invade Britain

[unique crag]

:|

[sudden thistle]

562% in 38 is crazy work

[unique crag]

sum mods that give more pp and make it easier to do war stuff ig

plus some useless civil wars

but it was easy

marocco and sahara had no units and justification was 30-90 days or sum

and with no allies i had easy 1 man naval invasions

[fringe shell]

what should i play?

[unique crag]

hungary

[opal nymph]

Czechs

[fringe shell]

with or without dlc

[unique crag]

with

[fringe shell]

bet

[unique crag]

🤝

[valid prairie]

real talk its dumb u need a demogogue or its equivalent to change idology (due to it being inconcsistently available to certain nations). the way millenium dawn does it is much better

its also dumb that 'non-aligned' exists in 2025

[unique crag]

monarchy would be fire

[valid prairie]

just make different ideologies for everything already

[unique crag]

or anarchist

or just a whole dlc with ideologies

[valid prairie]

shame only anarchy existsi n spain

[unique crag]

and theyre non-aligned..

[valid prairie]

i think it should just be base game, non aligned is only acceptable for like 2016 hoi4

[valid prairie]

precisely, also there is no non aligned demagogue

so if u switch u can never go back

[opal nymph]

Ideology in hoi4 is allignment

[azure palm]

should I ask questions about bugs in #ask-for-help-here or #tech-support ?

[paper echo]

that shit was too easy

[opal nymph]

You are alligned to the democracies, fascists, communists, or to none

[valid prairie]

yes but why not be aligned to monarchists too?

[unique crag]

mod name?

[paper echo]

scenario:korea

[lavish fern]

what are some good tank designs

[opal nymph]

Because they are not alligned to the democracies, fascists, or communists

[valid prairie]

they hsould be their own ideology

[hoary knot]

di you tried the d-day scenario and stalingrad one

[opal nymph]

Hoi3 had alignments, and that carried over to hoi4

[opal nymph]

Why

[paper echo]

nope and im not sane enough to do it

[opal nymph]

UK is a monarchy

Netherlands is a monarchy

[valid prairie]

so u can play monarchy for every nation

[opal nymph]

Belgium is a monarchy

[opal nymph]

No need

[valid prairie]

and it should have its own effects

[hoary knot]

the war isnt over yet attention the land invasion

[opal nymph]

Nah

[valid prairie]

like how fascism can justify on everytone

[paper echo]

yeah im paying attention

[opal nymph]

Have you heard of national spirits

[paper echo]

even the invasions are easy

[valid prairie]

yes

[opal nymph]

Non alligned can do that as well

[paper echo]

i got 2 so far

[hoary knot]

i know but i think the difficult one is the south one

[valid prairie]

but u need world tension

[hoary knot]

if you play as a south

[opal nymph]

Okay and

[paper echo]

yeah

[unique crag]

would liberia join allies if i declared war on em?

[paper echo]

it has a lot of debuffs

[opal nymph]

Not all monarchies are power hungry expansionists

They best fit in non aligned

[hoary knot]

and the china will enter

[opal nymph]

Since they are not aligned to the democracies, fascists, or communists

[unique crag]

fire name

[paper echo]

yeah

[thorny pond]

anyone wanna play r56?

[paper echo]

but i feel like south is gonna be fun

[hoary knot]

i think the beautiful one is the south one with nukes

[tiny plank]

Had the weirdest war possible

[paper echo]

i love naval invading

[hoary knot]

yes

[tiny plank]

India and china went to war and around 30 million deaths .Just how

[valid prairie]

so why should democracies and fascists etc have theur own ideology but not monarchists? they are just as important

[tiny plank]

Only 2 countries

[opal nymph]

Because monarchist is not an ideology

And many monarchies are democratic

[valid prairie]

how is monarchy not an ideology

[opal nymph]

There are like 2 absolute monarchies

[opal nymph]

Because monarchies can fall under despotism

And despotism is already in the game

[valid prairie]

and there are like 3 communist nations, does that mean they should be non aligned too?

[valid prairie]

and it should be its own thing

[opal nymph]

No?

Franco is fine as non aligned

And his subideology is despotism

Despotism is simply anyone who holds near absolute power

[valid prairie]

it is

[opal nymph]

Whether it be monarchy or dictatorship

[valid prairie]

im not here to argue specifics im saying each ideology should have representation in the game

[opal nymph]

If you want an ideology wheel with 10+ colors, go play KR

Hoi4 just adapted the alignment system from hoi3

From a triangle to a wheel

[valid prairie]

anarchy should be available for all nations, but it shouldnt have much representation at the start of the game

[opal nymph]

There really weren't many anarchist movements

[valid prairie]

like irl

[opal nymph]

Past the 1920s

[valid prairie]

and we shoyldnt need demoguges to do it

[opal nymph]

Anarchism in the US was quite despised

Turns out blowing up everyone is bad PR

[valid prairie]

it should still be available

[opal nymph]

That applies to the rest of the world

Either way, im just saying the 4 alignments currently in hoi4 is fine

Because why split despotism off from non aligned or conservativism and liberalism from democratic

[valid prairie]

the way millenium dawn does it is perfect

[opal nymph]

No real gameplay value and 1000 portraits needed

[valid prairie]

it soesnt have 50 colurs on the wheel

[fringe shell]

which one for hungary

[opal nymph]

Get me away from that mod

[valid prairie]

and each one has representation inside of that

[opal nymph]

I would say KR does better than MD

[valid prairie]

yes i hate it too but the ideology system is perfecct

[sudden thistle]

Conc

Always

[paper echo]

they did 2 naval invasions which i destroyed.will they keep doing more or these were the only ones

[valid prairie]

how does kr do it

[opal nymph]

They have split the subideologies and uses the hoi4 political wheel

[fringe shell]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[opal nymph]

So you got 3 socialist subideolgoies, 4 democratic subideologies, and 3 authoritarian subideologies

[valid prairie]

i think there should be multiple just under one colour on the wheel and then clicking in further reveals which faction within that has more power

which is masically milleniu, dawn

[opal nymph]

Too gamey

Adding extra mechanics

I remember playing MD and just boosting the power extremely easily of 1 party

Also you need to add a billion portraits

Flags possibly

[valid prairie]

ykno whats worse? looking on the wheel and seeing a rainbow

lmao

[opal nymph]

You know what's better

4 ideologies

[valid prairie]

what

[valid prairie]

nuh uh

[opal nymph]

Bunch of subideologies under it

Call it a day

Simplicity has its value

[valid prairie]

non aligned should exist, just shouldnt be one of the main 4

[opal nymph]

Then how do you account for the democracies that sided with Germany, the democracies that arent all that democratic, dictatorship, monarchs that are democratic, and monarchs that arent democratic

[viscid stirrup]

hi vro

[opal nymph]

Non aligned is simply, you are not aligned

[viscid stirrup]

non aligned is monarchy and military dihctatorship

[opal nymph]

And centrism and oligarchy

[valid prairie]

sure but u cant switch in between non aligned. if u can switch between despotism and anarchy etc through non aligned without using some dumb ahh demagogue then sure

that would be better

but current u cant

[opal nymph]

Then get a focus tree that allows you to

[valid prairie]

no focus tree like that exists

[opal nymph]

Germany can swap between two democratic sub ideologies

[hoary knot]

try south is really fun

[opal nymph]

Italy has multiple democratic paths

Anarchism is relegated to Spain which is fine

Hungary can pick whatever king they want

Same with Poland

[valid prairie]

it shouldnt be delegated to a focus tree

[opal nymph]

I think it is perfectly fine

[valid prairie]

it hsould be available all game to switch whenever u want

[opal nymph]

Not every country had a monarchist movement

[valid prairie]

if we were looking at purely historical then why even add a-historical paths?

[opal nymph]

Ah yes, popular front France getting a fascist demagogue and then being able to do 0 things in their focus tree

That is why it is under revive the national bloc

So they have content

[simple citrus]

hey guys uh

[valid prairie]

why should we even add a white russian civil war if the resistance was gone by then? why add ottoman turkey? the priority should be fun not pure hisotircal accuracy

[opal nymph]

What's the point of flipping ideologies if there is no content for it

Oh that's is fine

[west owl]

Is it coming to console?

[opal nymph]

But you want to flip ideologies and then not have content

[west owl]

Wizard101 is on console now

[opal nymph]

Like monarchist USA

[simple citrus]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[opal nymph]

No content aside Wallis

[simple citrus]

why in the actual fcuk

[valid prairie]

if u want to then u should be able to

[opal nymph]

Which is some personality traits

I like my alt history to be grounded in realism

[valid prairie]

also its dumb u cant take provinces from ur puppet

[opal nymph]

Which is why EIC India is a mess

[valid prairie]

that shit is dumb

[paper echo]

ill do it next

[opal nymph]

Be better in the peace conference and take the land you want

And then puppet

[simple citrus]

what's the mod

[valid prairie]

yeah but if its a collab government and u want to take resource rich areas u should be able to

esepecially if theyre one autonomy point away from being annexed

[west owl]

When is Hoy four coming to council?

[hoary knot]

scenario korea

[opal nymph]

They are a collab government, there is no need to annex

You just easily trade and win

[simple citrus]

is it on pdx plaza

[valid prairie]

it was an example

[hoary knot]

i use steam ii dont know

[valid prairie]

just any puppet in general

[simple citrus]

damn

[opal nymph]

Then you create the puppet with the borders you want

[valid prairie]

if u dont want to govern all of the people just take the resource areas

[opal nymph]

Because you took land in the peace conference

[valid prairie]

there shouldnt need to be finnicky 'annex this annex that' shit

[slim nexus]

Just rickrolled my self 😭

[opal nymph]

And puppeted the rest

[opal nymph]

Then play kaiserreich and have the annex all and make puppets after

What you want is to annex some land and puppet the rest

[valid prairie]

irrelevant, u should still have the option of doing it

[opal nymph]

Which is what the current peace conference can do

[valid prairie]

no matter if u can just circumvent it, it isnt logical

[opal nymph]

Or just use state transfer tool

[valid prairie]

theres mods for everything

im talking about vanilla

especially if ur tryna get achievements

[opal nymph]

If you are going for achievements you only focus on the achievements

If the world looks ugly, oh well

[valid prairie]

and if u need to create a collab government to govern all of russia u should be able to take resource rich parts

so u can focus on ur achievement

[opal nymph]

Why did you annex all and then made a collab government

Wait for peace deal, take what you want, puppet the rest

[bright arrow]

Omg i hate the Ai so much

[valid prairie]

its irrelevant how the puppet was made, and im not arguing 'oh u can just do this instead' im saying if it was historically accurate u could just take land from them after certain autonomy points are taken away

[bright arrow]

The soviets kept fighting me over a state i had a claim

Me, their ally

And they fought me like 10 times

And then i didn't have more warscore

And now Romania exists in that 1 state

[valid prairie]

real talk warlord china is easy as hell if u cheese

and also hella fun

[wet plover]

Hey guys, the war is on land

[slim nexus]

Where are they going

[bright arrow]

holy sht stopppp

this is why no one plays ironman

the peacedeals are so absurdly annoying

[wet plover]

Idek

Ooh

I think maybe Africa

But idk why they went to the North Sea than

[bright arrow]

I give up on this run, now the UK is guaranteeing the one remaining state of Romania

[sonic sand]

So josef stalin comes to a school one day and he decides to talk to a kid after talking for a while he asks the child "who is your mother" the child replies "the Soviet Union of course!" Stalin then asks "and your father?" The child responds "why my father would be the leader of our nation Josef Stalin" Stalin chuckles a little "what do want to be when you grow up?" He askes, the child responds "I want to be an orphan"

[queen otter]

How do i get down the resistance?

[sonic sand]

Deport Romanians

[queen otter]

How

[sonic sand]

Have a spy running root out resistance

[queen otter]

I dont have dlcs

[fringe shell]

czechoslovakia

[bright arrow]

Put good guarrissons

[umbral agate]

yougoslavia when into a civil war when it became fascist when i puppeted it, then the democrats won, then they accept my requuest to be my puppet again wtf

[sudden thistle]

Bohemia-Moravia

[fringe shell]

aint no way

[slim nexus]

I dont understand

[paper echo]

thats actually fun

im counter attacking

[hoary knot]

i los the first one bad oranizzatio im retrying

[paper echo]

all i did was fallback near busan

and i rushed focuses that removed the army debuffs

[hoary knot]

ok thx

[paper echo]

by the time they reached they lost the good national spirit they had

[paper echo]

theres a river near busan

[safe wing]

I figured out that MEFO can work as the Kaiser

Just do the see to the eastern focuses

[hoary knot]

but i had a succes on counter attacking but i had problem against china and i didn't use nukes

[paper echo]

i did something like this

[paper echo]

china hasnt joined for me yet

[misty fossil]

here’s a tip: read the tooltip

[paper echo]

maybe this will work too

[misty fossil]

mod?

[paper echo]

scenario:korea

[misty fossil]

ah

[paper echo]

its still wip

[queen otter]

Where is it how do i see it

[sonic sand]

I wish there was a mechanic for a limited war

Wars where the goal isn't outright to destroy a country just to get some of the countries land

[queen otter]

Please guys tell me how to lower resistance

[paper echo]

yeah i would love it

[wet plover]

Isnt that just what u can do with a conquer war goal.

And during the peace conference just don’t take all the land

[paper echo]

what occupation law do you have

set it to local police force

also you can put spies and do resistance suppresion or smth

[paper echo]

the name is kinda like that

[hoary knot]

is it right going on aggresive

[paper echo]

play on defense till you get troops

then attack

[paper echo]

you dont have any manpower

you need equipment and manpower

[paper echo]

for the law to take effect

[queen otter]

How do i get manpower, i have the comtract of trianon

[paper echo]

isnt there a focus to remove it

if not then do secret rearmanent

[paper echo]

then bled agreement

[wet plover]

If there’s no decisions or focuses to take delete some troops or remove some training

[queen otter]

There is but i think only if i choose faschist thing

[paper echo]

you could do bled agreement

idk if the focus is named that tho

[hoary knot]

im not attacking

[queen otter]

What does it do?

[paper echo]

it replaces treaty of trianon

[paper echo]

how much troops do the others have

[wet plover]

15% stability 😭

[paper echo]

i collapsed their army

[hoary knot]

wdym

[formal lodge]

so the current version of hoi4 is 1.16.10, if I have a friend who for whatever reason cannot play on 1.16.10 but only on 1.16, can he play Kaiserreich multiplayer together with me if im on 1.16.10 and hes on 1.16?

[atomic spoke]

for some reason france wasnt in the allies ...

the run is shi i think

[sonic sand]

Cheaper to justify and guarantee independence doesn't trigger but you can only justify for provinces connecting to the border or other claimed Provences up to a total of 5 provinces and you can only annex the provinces that you justified for. Victory is achieved when you control all provinces before 3-5 months depending on the Provence if you don't control all of them them when the timer is up you get a decision to continue the war which will trigger guarantees or end the war and you don't get anything. You also cannot move troops outside of the provinces you've claimed.

[paper echo]

aaand they joined

[hoary knot]

when is the time for me to attack

[paper echo]

i attacked when north lost its army bonuses and i got rid of mine

and when i got enough troops

start with small micromanaging

make small pockets

w option?

[sudden thistle]

No

[hoary knot]

on mine the no bouns attack

[sudden thistle]

Do the same version

[paper echo]

i meant i got rid of my debuffs

[sonic sand]

There is a new guarantee added which is 50 political power base and goes up to 100 which is guarantee territorial integrity. Which will allow you to send 30 volunteer divisions in the war if it is broken.

[fringe shell]

impostor ahh

[sonic sand]

red spy is in the base

okay @paper echo @sudden thistle what are we thinking?

Introducing the limited war!
Cheaper to justify and guarantee independence doesn't trigger but you can only justify for provinces connecting to the border or other claimed provinces up to a total of 5 provinces and you can only annex the provinces that you justified for. Victory is achieved when you control all provinces before 3-5 months depending on the province and how many are claimed. If you don't control all of them them when the timer is up you get a decision to continue the war which will trigger guarantees or end the war and you don't get anything. You also cannot move troops outside of the provinces you've claimed. To counter it there is a new guarantee added its called the Territory guarantee! it is 50 political power base and goes up by 50 each time. when it is broken it will allow you to send 48 volunteer divisions to the war on the side of the guaranteed country. It will also trigger when a full war breaks out with the same effect.

[sudden thistle]

I am not reading any of that

Sounds good

[sonic sand]

basically limited war where you can only claim some territory in exchange justifying is cheaper and it doesn't trigger independence guarantees. you win if you hold all the land you claimed after 3 months and you can't push into land you didnt claim. they also can't push into your land.

[paper echo]

looks good

[hollow sparrow]

yall, it wont let me do anschluss cs it says that i need more than 50.000 infantry equipment in the army, i have a ton lol, any thoughts or solutions?? i havent played germany in a while lol

[paper echo]

of course paradox instead of this will add something we didnt ask them to add

like coal

[sonic sand]

new guarantee makes it so that a country can send 48 volunteer divisions when a war breaks out instead of getting involved directly

which could lead to a cool proxy war mechanic of sorts

[paper echo]

just spam infantry units

[sonic sand]

cold war scenario modders are salivating right now

[woeful osprey]

i wonder how the danish soldiers felt when they were getting ready to fight back against the germans just to find out a few hours later their government just surrendered almost immediatly 💔

[hollow sparrow]

ohhh do i need 50 infantry units?

gotcha

[sonic sand]

at least the belgians put up a fight

their king like

i think lead a charge

after giving a patriotic speech

[woeful osprey]

there was about 16 dead danes and 4 dead germans in the whole ass operation in denmark

[hoary knot]

best pocket

[sonic sand]

thats crazy

[sonic sand]

imagine being one of the 16 people dead

i would be rolling in my artillery ditch

[hoary knot]

now my economy is fine

so we can call it

[hollow sparrow]

it still wont let me lol

ill keep spamming

[sonic sand]

its

only when you have a specific army size

then you can do the funny take over austria thing

[woeful osprey]

"if i die... it wont go to waste and we will never surrender!" a few hours later

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdance-gif-26100320

[woeful osprey]

but to be fair they didnt have any odds of holding against the wehrmacht

[hollow sparrow]

yall, it wont let me do anschluss cs it says that i need more than 50.000 infantry equipment in the army, i have a ton lol, any thoughts or solutions?? i havent played germany in a while lol (DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS LOL)

[woeful osprey]

i think you have to supply your troops with those equipment im not really sure

[hollow sparrow]

they r all sitting at 910 infantry eq

idk

[woeful osprey]

push out more troops and see if it allows

[hollow sparrow]

idk why they changed germany so much in the base game hjaha

yeah thats what im spamming rn

just infantry

[sonic sand]

anyways we agree my idea is peak fiction!

amazing

[woeful osprey]

whats your idea

[true needle]

how do I beat romania as hungary?

[sonic sand]

Introducing the limited war!
Cheaper to justify and guarantee independence doesn't trigger but you can only justify for provinces connecting to the border or other claimed provinces up to a total of 5 provinces and you can only annex the provinces that you justified for. Victory is achieved when you control all provinces before 3-5 months depending on the province and how many are claimed. If you don't control all of them them when the timer is up you get a decision to continue the war which will trigger guarantees or end the war and you don't get anything. You also cannot move troops outside of the provinces you've claimed. To counter it there is a new guarantee added its called the Territory guarantee! it is 50 political power base and goes up by 50 each time. when it is broken it will allow you to send 48 volunteer divisions to the war on the side of the guaranteed country. It will also trigger when a full war breaks out with the same effect.

[true needle]

I made 4 25w mountaineer divisions with rangers, flame tanks, support AA, support arty, and something else I forgot and I cant even push their infantry with them

[woeful osprey]

hmm so basically more realistic wars?

[true needle]

and I cant use tanks because of the mountains

[sonic sand]

im just saying

not have escalating wars

like

why the hell

would the US

get involved

because Britain guaranteed the independence of bulgaria

in which i only want one of their states

and so it turns from me having to fight bulgaria for a core state of mine i want

into having to fight the allies

into having to fight the entire world at once

[tepid crown]

Anglosphere

[woeful osprey]

japan always declares war on everyone for no reason

[sonic sand]

that is true

[woeful osprey]

they declared war on carlist spain for no reason

[sonic sand]

thats what i mean

[true needle]

this is the big reason why I only play nations that give you wargoals through focuses, any time I try to justify I end up at war with the rest of the world

even when I get wargoals through my focus trees the UK will somehow magically be called in

I hate the UK

[sonic sand]

exactly

[true needle]

I stopped playing vanilla because the UK didnt like that I was doing war and conquest in the game famous for war and conquest

[sonic sand]

so I think Britain should only give territorial sovereignty guarantees

if they were to get involved in the war some other way

[paper echo]

not even ussr and china could stop me

[sonic sand]

war support should completely collapse

[sonic sand]

[woeful osprey]

idc if people see it as cheating when i revoke guarantees or peace out majors because trust me the soviet union does not care about the war of tibet and ma clique

[sonic sand]

this is what i mean

[paper echo]

imma play east showdown

[woeful osprey]

literally britain does NOT care about the tibet-nepal war why the hell are you getting involved

[true needle]

I started playing EaW after like 10 hours of vanilla when I first started playing because there is no UK to guarantee every single nation in the world in that mod so you can shockingly have fun

[sonic sand]

so instead of having every major guarantee independence of every country on earth mars and the rest of the universe have it so they only guarantee countries that they genuinely get into wars for historically (or in nonhistorical) only countries the AI thinks it would fight over such as if it threatens to tip the power balance of Europe as democratic, ideological ally as everyone besides unaligned or strategic reasons to be friendly with nation

[true needle]

and I can do war and conquest in the war and conquest game

[sonic sand]

they already do strategic reasons as to be hostile to you

[paper echo]

i wanna torture my sanity

[sonic sand]

so why can't they run the same calculation in the other way

also

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spill-troll-my-little-pony-mlp-twilight-sparkle-gif-17425591

[true needle]

the only way ive found to make guarantees tolerable is to set a game rule where they can only guarantee nations of matching ideology

[sonic sand]

yes

this i agree with

[true needle]

because most minors are not democracies they wont guarantee

[sonic sand]

but i think my partial war idea is much better

[woeful osprey]

i dont believe you because you cant have fun in hoi4

[sonic sand]

because countries can get involved

while not actually getting involved

[woeful osprey]

loving this game is masochism

[true needle]

cant continue the comment chain because the UK guaranteed it

[woeful osprey]

tag eng

[sonic sand]

with the ability to send 42 volunteer divisions to a nation if their territorial sovereignty is violated

but if they join the war some other way

their war support tanks

and after 1 month of being in the war

they are forced to leave

[woeful osprey]

hoi4 vanilla historical is just hell what do you mean the germans cant defeat the benelux bro why cant it ever work correctly

[true needle]

1 month is still enough time for the UK and all of her colonies to launch 500 naval invasions

[paper echo]

they should rename guarantees to defensive pacts.for example if germany is justifying on poland then uk should make a defensive pact against germany so if lithuania attacks poland they wouldnt go to war with uk too

[true needle]

I mean, naval invasions are easy to defend from if you are prepared

[sonic sand]

I watched the germans fail against poland because i stole austria and czechoslovakia from them as hungary monarchist path

they didn't like fully fail

but good lord did they ever not do well

took em like

5 months

to cap poland

[true needle]

I literally just did this lmao

they demanded the sudetenland and I said no so they just stood there even though they could have easily rolled over me

and then they declared on poland and got pushed by france

[sonic sand]

and poland retook warsaw

like 5 times

[true needle]

and then I failed to invade romania

[sonic sand]

basically

thats how that works

[woeful osprey]

fr its like timetraveler kicks rock you build like one civ factory in your capital and it somehow makes the germans declare war on czechoslovakia and lose

[true needle]

my stacked 25w mountaineers couldnt push 2 romanian infantry divisions

[sonic sand]

welcome to playing hungary

[sonic sand]

supply hell

that is where you're fighting

you don't get to push romania

thats the fun bit

[true needle]

full supply and air superiority on a plain tile (because they pushed me), my mountaineers were full strength and org

[sudden thistle]

Did u do the mountaineer doctrine

[true needle]

and they somehow didnt push after rolling over yugoslavia

[true needle]

yes

[sudden thistle]

🤨

[true needle]

got to the second tier to buff rangers a bit more

[sudden thistle]

Skill issue then

U should be fine

[sonic sand]

the best way to deal with them is to just reset your game demand Transylvania and actually get it using diplomatic pressure running spies.

then wait for romania to drop the guarantee which happens when they join the axis

[true needle]

I got northern transylvania somehow (I think through the vienna awards?) but they denied transylvania itself

[sonic sand]

so

you shouldn't be waiting that long

[true needle]

cant invade anyone if you have no manpower and no factories

[sonic sand]

I have put about 175 hours into playing hungary

out of

200

[true needle]

it was like 1938?

[sonic sand]

thing is

if you're going otto path

you do bled agreement first

[true needle]

that and I need to have 200k manpower in my army before I can do the focus

so I need to do some other focuses so I have the equipment for them

[sonic sand]

then do reintegrate the railroads and have a spy agency this is key

[meager valley]

UK probably still the strongest country. Wanna try another Order 66 world conquest when the new dlc drops

[true needle]

dont have la resistance, I dont need yet another mechanic to fumble on

[sonic sand]

here ill dm you how i play monarchist otto hungary

[sonic sand]

la resistance makes this playthrough actually viable

trust me its peak

[true needle]

I can get to romania just fine, I think my infantry divisions where a bit small (like 8 battalions of infantry)

[sonic sand]

do you have GDR?

[true needle]

gdr?

[sonic sand]

the thing is

[vagrant plover]

Is there any way to cause a mid war military coup in Germany akin to Valkyrie?

[sonic sand]

you shouldn't be fighting romania at all

[vagrant plover]

Or like Italian Civil War

[sonic sand]

Götterdämmerung

[true needle]

yes I have it

[sonic sand]

ok

so for this run you kinda need la resistance

its not needed

but it makes it so much less luck based

[true needle]

nice try paradox, I am not buying any more DLCs

[sonic sand]

basically you have spies running diplomatic pressure

which makes countries like you more

more than just improving relations

which ups your chances they actually agree to things

[true needle]

I have a suspicion that raising relations with a nation makes them more likely to agree to give you territory

[sonic sand]

it does

[true needle]

does offering military access and naval access increase relations?

[sonic sand]

but there are countries like Romania who will have exactly -100 relations so if you boost it it will be a 0

[true needle]

I guess a non aggression pact would also help

[sonic sand]

they do help

[true needle]

if they agree I get territory, if not I dont get the territory either way

[sonic sand]

diplomatic pressure also helps you get non aggression pacts

anyways you basically need Transylvania or else the run is fried

usually what i do

is i rush down to the focus before restore the pragmatic sanction of 1713

then I improve relations before i do bled agreement

the improve relations is with the czechs and the austrians

because they will issue a protest note

if you don't have good relations

which will lower their relations with you even further

@true needle

then I do railroads

and then pragmatic sanction

while im doing that i usually get spy agency and an advisor that gives me one more spy but in your case just improve relations with Austria and the Czechs

then you do the focuses

if you're on ironman if they don't accept to join reset

[unique crag]

🔥✊

[sonic sand]

if you're not then save the day you start the focus to claim both of the nations

if they say no

reload that save and cancel the focus then redo the focus to reroll rng
when you get czechoslovakia do integrate slovakia as fast as possible so that you get free cored land

then you're going to do your industry path down to gyori program

[patent thistle]

could this basically be considered straight up bullying-

[sonic sand]

while building up your army

then claim transylvania

if they refuse

ironman reset

[unique crag]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[sonic sand]

nonironman save scum

then you're going to wait a little

till the romanians join the axis

do whatever focuses you want

I suggest going to the military focus because you have no military high command or chiefs of army

[meager valley]

Does anyone know how to core India with Imperial federation or is it RNG?

[sonic sand]

then

you also need to do the wargoal focus on yugoslavia

and the second romania joins the axis

declare war

because their guarantee drops the second they join

you need to get to the coast of yugoslavia as fast as possible because if you don't italy will start taking some land from you

[agile perch]

guys

[sonic sand]

and if it goes on for long enough they will steal your entire coastline

[agile perch]

what is the best country to play as beginer

[sonic sand]

then when thats done

you go and put your troops bordering germany and romania

and wait

[agile perch]

and what devisions is good?

[gaunt charm]

The Ai is cooking with 50 divisions on a tile

[sonic sand]

its also a good idea to make the puppet of croatia through a decision durring this time

you should also start the shared focus tree

by doing the focus indivisible and inseparable

then when the germans invade the poles

[meager valley]

Bro who are you blowing up chat for rn 😭

[agile perch]

Guys

[meager valley]

Just do some South American one

[meager valley]

20 combat width infantry with support arty

[agile perch]

what image it got

[sonic sand]

do the focus to claim Galicia and part of the Bucovina

[agile perch]

Ok brazil is that good?

[meager valley]

Image?

[sonic sand]

give up your part to the ussr

[meager valley]

Try Argentina

[agile perch]

ol

ok

[sage plover]

ello

[sonic sand]

then do the focus to declare war on italy

[meager valley]

Just try to beat Chile in a war

[meager valley]

Bro stop 😭

[sonic sand]

and beat the axis with the help of the allies

[agile perch]

Yep Ok

[sonic sand]

and take what you need to proclaim austria hungary

[meager valley]

Infantry are the helmets. In the stats to the right when designing a division is combat width

[sonic sand]

step by step guide to how to play otto nonaligned hungary!

[agile perch]

where is it

[meager valley]

Just make it full infantry to 20 combat width. Only support should have is like artillery and engineer

[meager valley]

Can you dm it? 😭

[sonic sand]

no

[agile perch]

i found out nvm

[meager valley]

If it’s a full guide for one person might be better to dm

[agile perch]

ok i can see

[meager valley]

Like no way Otto is absorbing it all in here, it’s too messy 😂

[sonic sand]

i am a veteran Hungary player with 175 hours playing Hungary🔥 I also have 50 million power in rise of kingdoms how dare you speak to me that way! /j

[sonic sand]

its a joke!

[meager valley]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-bowser-froglin-gif-14654848018423343709

[agile perch]

i think i might just be slow

[meager valley]

What part is giving you trouble? The combat width?

[sonic sand]

unlike your hearts of iron 4 addiction

[agile perch]

Idk but i cant find it

[meager valley]

Played since 2016 tbh. And good chunk wasn’t actually playing

[sudden thistle]

Do 10 infantry battalions

[meager valley]

Do you know how to spawn divisions in?

[agile perch]

In recruit and deploy?

[meager valley]

Yeah

[agile perch]

Ok

ah u mean here

[meager valley]

Yes

[agile perch]

Ok

[meager valley]

In that image it’s 18 combat width. You can leave it at that which is technically meta. But for the sake of vanilla 20 combat width is good too

[agile perch]

And what did i have to do again

[meager valley]

On the left, click the plus and add artillery and engineer

[agile perch]

Ok should i add any support and what should i add

[agile perch]

Ok

[slim nexus]

This interaction without message is even funnier

[meager valley]

And then just spawn like enough in to have 24 divisions

[agile perch]

i added support artillery i cant find engineer

[slim nexus]

Can you remove the /j for a screenshot

[meager valley]

Might not have engineer researched yet so then don’t have to worry

Those are good for now

[agile perch]

Ahhh okay

should i do it with every country i play?

[sonic sand]

no

[meager valley]

Pretty much.

[agile perch]

Ok

[slim nexus]

Pls 😭

[sonic sand]

I would rather not make a fool of myself online!

[agile perch]

damn 24 Ok

[slim nexus]

Will not save yourself

[agile perch]

bet

[meager valley]

I generally use these in vanilla singleplayer

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdance-gif-26100320

[meager valley]

These are my special forces

I just took the world using these 2 division types

[sonic sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870446544455864330/1419197517798572172/IMG_0403.gif

[meager valley]

Was Ironman too 😮‍💨

[eternal palm]

No flame tanks?

MP is defo worse

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/zomboss-speech-bubble-pvz-zombie-discord-speech-bubbl-gif-12712570292765295778

[meager valley]

Don’t need them if you have air

[eternal palm]

One has nothing to do with the other?

[rare cipher]

yo

[sonic sand]

yoooo

[eternal palm]

They just give more stats out right

[rare cipher]

im gonna try eaw

[sonic sand]

its bruno

[rare cipher]

my man

how you doing?

[sonic sand]

good!

you?

[rare cipher]

im absolutely fine

[sonic sand]

amazing dude

[meager valley]

Yeah so they actually do bc they boost stats. Air effectively grinds down divisions and tanks make you punchier w/armor

[rare cipher]

i got my shcool report

[lethal ether]

more stats = better

[meager valley]

I took the whole world by 1947 so clearly didn’t need flame lol

[rare cipher]

approved everything

[lethal ether]

big number theory

[sonic sand]

this isn't a theory

[rare cipher]

btw im gonna try eaw

[sonic sand]

nice

[rare cipher]

with that germany mod

[slim nexus]

:✓

[meager valley]

Wish it was 6666 hours

[rare cipher]

cuz a good panzer can easily destroy the power of friendship

[lethal ether]

what mod

[meager valley]

Tbh I never use tanks in singleplayer. Just isn’t needed

[sonic sand]

this man has edited a photo of something I have said to make fun of me.

[sudden thistle]

20 more hours and u get 6.7k

[meager valley]

Can literally beat everyone with infantry

[sonic sand]

i should tell the mods

[rare cipher]

new german order redux

something like tha

[slim nexus]

The mod is here

[lethal ether]

whats it about

[slim nexus]

We are just chilling in the chat

Nobody is having fun of you

[rare cipher]

the reich and almost all of its army is transported to the equestria at war world

pretty sure its around 1942 or 43

[sonic sand]

you still don't

understand

a joke

[lethal ether]

i wanna try it but i have no internet on my pc rn 😔

[rare cipher]

too bad

[slim nexus]

Were you joking?
Sorry I have met people like that online I wanted to be sure 😎

[eternal palm]

Yea, so why wouldn't u just take more stats? That also didn't explain the correlation between air and flame tanks...

[sonic sand]

yea

[eternal palm]

Also why have aa when you also have air

[slim nexus]

AA Is cheaper

[eternal palm]

Not what I'm getting at

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdance-gif-26100320

[paper echo]

damn east showdown is overwhelming

[sonic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-16362445421478761717

[rare cipher]

i hope my potatoe can run it

the mod seems fir

[unique crag]

yall think ts gonna work?

[opal nymph]

No because Ethiopia is not at war with you

[eternal palm]

U have a direct border with them 💀

[unique crag]

as of now

[unique crag]

bad terrain

[slim nexus]

I tell her baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby baby

I'm a fireball

[unique crag]

i justified a day ago

[opal nymph]

Have you thought of just pushing into it anyways

The true Italian mindset

[eternal palm]

Terrain traits, mev, flame tanks, mountaineers:

Terrain isn't real in hoi4

[unique crag]

🔇

[slim nexus]

That's literally how I play

[meager valley]

IC cost and supply

[unique crag]

too lazy to get em there

ill just try

[meager valley]

And tbh tank designer can get repetitive

[unique crag]

yall think they will join allies?

[slim nexus]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CvAOgSqWEcY?si=ypn0061l0XrDxdSY

[wanton whale]

What's their ideology and are you at war with allies?

[eternal palm]

1. They don't take much,
2. Have logies
3. They're not that expensive

[eternal palm]

Or just have 50 mils on them lol

[unique crag]

im at peace

[wanton whale]

Yeah it will be fine

[unique crag]

💋

thanks

[meager valley]

I don’t feel like designing them every game. Or researching tank techs

Or doing the special project

Legit only do it if I’m roleplaying

[eternal palm]

Wooow

Now that's crazy

[heavy vigil]

Hmm

[wanton whale]

bbbbb-but (idc that I had every doctrine, this is peak)

[heavy vigil]

Researching tank techs? Like what?

[eternal palm]

Kid named last stand:

[unique crag]

rip production and reinforcements

[gaunt charm]

👅

[heavy vigil]

Its like 1 tech and then arty or AT

[meager valley]

Same reason I don’t normally design planes after like 1940

[eternal palm]

Nah apparently he's too lazy to click buttons in a game that's all about clicking buttosn

[heavy vigil]

Assuming you dont start with it*

[eternal palm]

Not like you'll make a facility anyway

[meager valley]

I mean doing the process to get flame tanks every game. Just like helis they’re really effective but most of the time I just don’t do them

[wanton whale]

ever heard of America with closed economy, whole entirety of the Americas and 600 mills

[heavy vigil]

Its so easy

[wanton whale]

😭

[meager valley]

I just don’t use tanks tf

[unique crag]

they did monroe doctrine in my game. i cant even conquer south america without them banging me with bombs to shreds

[wanton whale]

Ok but I need more warthunder, what do you guys think?

[meager valley]

Bro people have different playstyles 😂

[unique crag]

get the second line filled and a third one

[wanton whale]

I used Monroe doctrine to decalre war

[unique crag]

🖖

[wanton whale]

Yes but I have Warthunder squared

[unique crag]

what is that

[meager valley]

Apparently I just don’t need them to world conquest

[unique crag]

im scared

[heavy vigil]

Thats fair

[eternal palm]

I mean thats what you said

[wanton whale]

My Wt body pillow collection grows further

[unique crag]

🔥

wait

[heavy vigil]

I typically use like units that can move both forward and backwards in hoi4

[unique crag]

how does monroe doctrine work anyways?

[meager valley]

Exactly, if I don’t need it to do well then I just won’t bother.

[wanton whale]

Uhhhh, you decare war on Americas, America gangs on you