ask-for-help-here

[tight vector]

why?

Just to gather as much troops as possible?

[light knoll]

because you have no manpower and no industry until then?

[tight vector]

Should I put all my troops on the german border?
and to hold the line or attack?

[light knoll]

hold the line at rhe start

drain them of manpower and guns

[dusty sandal]

without no step back, that's the best tank you can do
these are 1936 light tanks/SPGs and 1938 medium tanks

[tight vector]

I forgot to take into consideration anti tank

so im gonna go back a bit

[light knoll]

? you don't need anti tank

you do need anti air tho

[tight vector]

the germans quickly blitzed czechia somehow

[light knoll]

did you core the empire?

[tight vector]

oooh!

yeah this is my first time doing a monarchist austrian playthrough

[dusty sandal]

anti tank isn't useful contrary to what you might think at first

[tight vector]

And also do I hold the border or strategic spots?

[dusty sandal]

this is the line you want in blue, in red it's the potential offensives or areas you can defend if you have enough troops

never give up the checz forts

don't forget some static AA (lvl 2 on all states ideally, on forts in priority) to prevent bombing and logistrike

[opaque garden]

is this a good tank design for barb

yes ik org is on the low side

[fathom thistle]

if its singleplayer replace tanks with spgs, ratio should be either 10spgs/8 mech or 9/9. If you have dlc replace artilelry with flame tanks

[dusty sandal]

mods ?

[opaque garden]

wur

[dusty sandal]

and org is high btw

[opaque garden]

wut

[dusty sandal]

playing with mods or not ?

[opaque garden]

inf org is 50 tho

[dusty sandal]

inf doesn't push

that's why it needs org

[opaque garden]

yes but not rly affecting gameplay

[dusty sandal]

then TDs are useless and you should use only SPGs
also you're missing the essential medium Flame tank company

raplce support arty with it

and I hope you have air supremacy because no AA is gonna cost you otherwise

[grand mortar]

Does Italy spawn with any carriers in the beginning?

[dusty sandal]

no

[opaque garden]

i am focusing on air

[dusty sandal]

add support AA and it's perfect. Adjust speed to your liking

[dusty sandal]

that's good

[opaque garden]

id say my air is jolly good

[dusty sandal]

never build outdated planes

bad air is worse than no air

[opaque garden]

its not outdated

[dusty sandal]

it is

you're asking for barb and producing 1936 frame

reinsure me and tell me it's a manmade design of fighter

and not the base one

[opaque garden]

im blind

i also have non outdated

[dusty sandal]

don't produce those

[opaque garden]

i forgot i was producing hte outdated onces

[opaque garden]

wut no

[dusty sandal]

what are those designs

[opaque garden]

those arent the default ones

[dusty sandal]

also, quick tip but no big deal but fockewulf is better than messershmit because range is king

[dusty sandal]

AAAAAAAAA

[opaque garden]

ik theyre on the expensive side

[dusty sandal]

WHY TWO ENGINES

[opaque garden]

im using all the thrust

[dusty sandal]

#ask-for-help-here message

[dusty sandal]

NO YOU'RE NOT

[opaque garden]

yes i am

[dusty sandal]

26 out of 38

don't lie to me boy

[opaque garden]

oh wait

i checked before mios

now i do have enough thrust to go down one lvl

as in i built before mio upgrades

[dusty sandal]

Small airframe = single engine
If you're not using all the thrust, you're doing somethign horribly wrong

[opaque garden]

its fine

hopefully

[dusty sandal]

fuel tanks instead of drop tanks

[dusty sandal]

you're wasting industry

[opaque garden]

i ahve enough

[dusty sandal]

the plane is good but it's wasting 1/4th of its cost

that's cost not going into CAS, tanks, mech or infantry

[opaque garden]

ig

[blissful ledge]

anyone know why my frontlines are basically invisable?

[dusty sandal]

can you show a screenshot ?

[opaque garden]

wait but what should i replace for flame tanks

[opaque garden]

press m

[dusty sandal]

support arty

[dusty sandal]

ditch the TD (useless)
#ask-for-help-here message

[opaque garden]

soft attack goes down

if i do that

[dusty sandal]

support arty isn't needed

[opaque garden]

ik mobile warfare isnt optimal

[dusty sandal]

it's ass but no big deal

[opaque garden]

however im trying to play his ger game

[dusty sandal]

only real doctrines rn are SFP and GBP

SFP for defence and GBP for attack

[opaque garden]

broski

[dusty sandal]

What happens when you remove and place it back ?

[blissful ledge]

same thing

[dusty sandal]

no mods or anything changing visuals ?

[blissful ledge]

oh.. FPS map i have maybe thats it

[dusty sandal]

might be, try to remove it and see if it fixes it

[opaque garden]

rate my doctrine choice

[blissful ledge]

cant load the game without it 🙁

nvm thats it fixed

[dusty sandal]

😭 /20

[opaque garden]

not even as the kumul khanate?

[dusty sandal]

who?

[opaque garden]

is barb without tanks smart?

because thats what im gonna do

[dusty sandal]

it's easy if you have tons of CAS and air supremacy

[wild rune]

Expeditionary Warfare is crazy

[dusty sandal]

more useful than flying batteries

paradox out there giving massive buffs to SPGs and then comes in and tells you "just pick this doctrine that gives org to a 3 combat width batallion with no stats and that cost more than a broken stat-bloated medium SPG"

[opaque garden]

rate my actual doctrine choice

dont say mobile warfare is ass i know that

[dusty sandal]

it's good actually

[opaque garden]

yippee

[dusty sandal]

assault infatry is good for attack inf and special forces. Individual excellence is better for tanks
arty doctrine is best
armor speerhead is fine buth the one that buffs tank variants with soft atk is better in singleplayer
grand assault is best

[spring locust]

Hello, i am suck at airforce and navy, do you have good and versatile templates for airplanes, and i don't know if i can build a navy out of aonly one type of ship but if you have one i would like to.... Thanks you in advence

[opaque garden]

oh a good tank design u say

a land cruiser?

hmm?

[spring locust]

No i mean a good plane design

[opaque garden]

rate my assualt inf

[spring locust]

Because i got obliterated by a friend of mine

[opaque garden]

is it jolly good?

[dusty sandal]

Tanks : add support AA company to the template, use logistics instead of hospital if you picked individual excellence as infantry subdoctrine

gimme a sec for air and navy

[spring locust]

Holy

[dusty sandal]

oh, isq it for MP ?

[opaque garden]

dont bother

youre never gonna beat him

not in a million years

[dusty sandal]

it's good enough, but could be better if you put more inf and less arty
light tank recon also very good to stack breakthrough

[spring locust]

No, but it is just that i was destroyed so i was wondering if there is a goood template that is versatile

[opaque garden]

ig but soft attack good

mesa likesa tha soft attack

[dusty sandal]

Hoi4 is very elitist. There is no versatile template in itself as specialized templates always win

for navy : #ask-for-help-here message

for short : light cruisers with armor, piercing and load sof light atk

[spring locust]

ok thx

[opaque garden]

nvm i am cooked

[dusty sandal]

for the planes, here's a to-do list when designing :
basic rules of plane design :
1 - If you're not using all the thrust, you're doing something horribly wrong
2 - small airframe = 1 engine, medium = 2 engine. Period. If you don't respect that, then you're doing something horribly wrong
3 - Air attack, range and air defence are to be maxed out in this order of priority from top to lesser
4 - Range should always be at a bare minimum of 800km (it isn't great to be clear), 1000 is what you want to aim for a good light airplane. There is never too much range to have
5 - Light fighters always out-trade against heavy fighters, except in the pacific (where heavy fighters win due to light fighters lacking range and not being able to use superior numbers). Heavy fighters are a almost always a waste in singleplayer
6 - Agility and speed are useful but not primordial
7 - Heavy MG are the gun to use before you get canons 2 (1944 tech)
8 - Electronics are always a waste, except for strat bomber meme

in 1950, you should be using engine 4 on 1945 airframe with maxed heavy MG or jet engine and canons 2 (1945 tech)

and the designs you'll use most of the time (get those for mid-late 1939 at the latest in multiplayer, get the airframe for 1938)

[dusty sandal]

wait to kill their air, then CAS up and activate battleplan. You'll need 500-800 CAS per region and some stockpile to replenish losses

[opaque garden]

ya know what

i take my word back

i am not cooked

[spring locust]

YO thx for that

U are saving me like hours of experimenting

[opaque garden]

always make sure to start bomb

thats the best way to use air

strat

[spring locust]

the research ?

[dusty sandal]

adjust speed and reli on the light tank and flame tank accordingly to need (petrol electric isn't required, only if you can afford the losses)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcp1ooD_YqY
quick tutorial that teaches you about stats

he explain everything well and fast

[opaque garden]

yippee

i am winning

[spring locust]

YO am i getting formed to a job atp 😭 thx you so much

[opaque garden]

w ratios

[spring locust]

is this online ?

[oak jasper]

Is there a best-practice way to assign two field marshals to the same contiguous front? For now, I've resorted to having two field marshals told "front line is the entire border".

[spring locust]

Or solo

[opaque garden]

ya know what

[pastel tiger]

What's the fastest way to gain autonomy as the raj?

[opaque garden]

this is the day where i proclaim that hoi4 is easy

[oak jasper]

The one thing I remember from my attempt: get Gandhi early.

[spring locust]

Have you done world conquest before ?

[opaque garden]

uh ye

pope

[spring locust]

Italy ?

[pastel tiger]

Resistance is a pain doing so

[opaque garden]

yes

italy

pope

regnun romanum

[spring locust]

i see

[orchid token]

hi

can someone help me with this game cause im new and dont understand anything

[dusty sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcp1ooD_YqY
really good to understand combat

as for the basics, look for a bittersteel tutorial, his designs and doctrine choices are questionnable but they'll teach the basics well

segl is a very reliable source of info on the game

[orchid token]

oh ok thanks

[orchid token]

but im talking ab movement invading and recruiting

does this vid include that?

[dusty sandal]

no, that would be in bittersteel's videos

or hoi4 official beginner tutorial videos

[spring locust]

att mais tu es fr

[light knoll]

do you wanna play a specific path or
because in the Mughal empire path you can get free pretty much immediately and also lose most of your bad modifiers and core all of the starting Indian land

[dusty sandal]

english only server here though. send me PM if you need help in french
or if you want french speaking HOI discord, I have A LOT of them and some very active at that, we're always looking for more players

[pastel tiger]

I was thinking of rushing the achievement where you become spymaster of the allies as the raj.

[light knoll]

you can join the allies later

just have a common war with them

actually spy master might be taken by then. hmm

[dusty sandal]

and yes, I am french, forgor to answer that. it's just that we can't speak french here because moderation purposes

[light knoll]

generally the fastest way to get free as subject is to beg for convoys lend lease from other nations and then send that to your master. but that only works if you're at war

[pastel tiger]

I already tried it earlier today. I played with Ncns so I neede fraction initiative. I almost had it but then I became independent. I didn't know you automatically left the allies so my progress reset.

[grand mortar]

I’m playing as Italy and the stupid brittish and French keep gaurneteeing anything that I’m tryna invade (im tryna avoid war with them)

[static turret]

do guarantee bait

[grand mortar]

What’s that?

[static turret]

guarantee on south american countries

once uk n france guarantee

stop

and justify on the nation u want

[light knoll]

you can get a faction initiative by fortifying eden iirc. set that at faction goal at the start

then you have a focus that does that for you

[static turret]

anyone got a good single country rework mod im bored

[grand mortar]

Thx I can finally war turkey

[static turret]

for turkey beware

they have a focus that automatically gives them guarantees

I dont remember when

but you should be fast cuz of that

[limpid vale]

I keep losing but im new to hooi4 someone pls help

[static turret]

do you know how divisions work

do you have any dlcs

do you build air

[limpid vale]

yes you can deploy them and i have dlcs

[limpid vale]

no

[static turret]

first issue

second issue

do you know what a good division template is

[limpid vale]

i need some guides

[limpid vale]

nope

[static turret]

check pin

[limpid vale]

ok

[slow glen]

In the achievement huge-oslavia it says "occupy"

does puppeting count?

I ended ww2 and puppetted all my neighbours, would it be faster to restart or to annex with through subject system

[keen hemlock]

does anyone know dow to get monarchist support up faster in czechoslovakia as poland? it always goes down even after i click the deceisons

[limpid vale]

how do i beat poland

[keen hemlock]

as germany?

[opaque garden]

oh

that was quite easy

i did not expect historical barb to be so easy

[fathom thistle]

spies

Lf closest design to shbb as bb (dont want spend eternity getting it)

[opaque garden]

russia is now mine

[keen hemlock]

im using the system from the focuses not their actual popularity

[fathom thistle]

Ik but that helps too

[keen hemlock]

ah

[wind lotus]

Thanks a lot, I sent that to him.
Diverging from the original topic, do light spgs still work with NSB?

[gritty marten]

how does this rule exactly work? it says that it makes me unable to join factions but I was able to join the axis a few years after doing this focus

[twilit furnace]

ive got a question and wondering if anyone has encountered this too - playing as comm china and as soon as I create faction with big china, the medium term goal - maintain control of coastline instantly fails

[glacial steeple]

morning

[twilit furnace]

hi!

[glacial steeple]

odd

[glacial steeple]

your rules can change

[glacial steeple]

yes

[gritty marten]

what are the conditions that makes me able to join factions even if the rules prevent it?

[glacial steeple]

germany is op

[glacial steeple]

theres like a million things you could be doing wrong/neglecting

[glacial steeple]

rule change

but you can always join one if you create it/its created with you

[light knoll]

joining through focus

[gritty marten]

I was able to join just by the normal diplomacy tab

there aren't any focuses that make me join a faction

[arctic aspen]

So I won uk civil war will actually holding the imperial conference give me any additional benefit?

[gritty marten]

did u go fascist uk

[arctic aspen]

Yup

[gritty marten]

you declared war on the dominions during the civil war?

[arctic aspen]

Yeah I've fully annexed everything

[gritty marten]

yeah i think you can still core them, never played uk tho

[vital plinth]

Hey @glacial steeple as Iran should I remove the enginer support company from my division so I don’t have to use a mill on support equipment or atleast not as much ?

[glacial steeple]

they start with engis?

[vital plinth]

One of the divsion yeah and support art

[glacial steeple]

i just made my entire army into 9 guys high priority local police garrisons and still ran out of guns exercising

[glacial steeple]

you dont have the mils for supp arty day 1 even

[vital plinth]

I had a good amount of artillery in store tho

When I trained units

But that’s maybe because I play on civilian ?

[rustic stag]

chat what are the maintenance divisions for

oh and also i wanted to ask

is this a good template if i have lots of manpower?

[oak jasper]

On occasion, possibly cleaning up big pockets and stealing a bunch of equipment? I haven't heard much positive about maintenance companies, and their primary effect is on reliability, which isn't super important.

[light knoll]

you still core them

you should release Canada tho

to get the dominion of north America

to core the US

[vital plinth]

@glacial steeple sorry to tag again the focus line im doing results in 2 civil wars and I lose a lot of infan equipment because of that and some of my divisions was wondering would it be better if I change my troops to 1 horse army since then I keep my stockpile of weapons when civil war happens and I can train the real divisions once the last civil war is over

[glacial steeple]

no dont do that

imo you shouldnt make bad units

its always gonna be split

including stockpiles

but you should be making enough inf stuff

[light knoll]

if you wanna cheese the civil war and win immediately you should either convert everything to a single arty battalion or delete your entire army and have a single cavalry division trained up and not deployed

that will at least stop you from losing equipment on the fighting

[light knoll]

ofc after the civil war start you convert your entire army to normal divisions

but the ai doesn't know to do that

[vital plinth]

Civil war is easy I just rush the points and end it fast

[opaque garden]

which civil war?

[vital plinth]

Was more about the equipment

[surreal canyon]

any reason to why it keeps saying that the host has another game version when i try to join my friend?

[light knoll]

i mean that just means you lose no equipment on fighting at all
if you can do that anyways then its not necessary yea

[surreal canyon]

we have the same version and the exact same mods

[opaque garden]

#tech-support

in here it gets lost

put it in there

[surreal canyon]

alr thanks

[vital plinth]

Ah ok yeah I see what you mean

[vital plinth]

So I make 4 horse units I keep those if I higher I maybe lose 1-3 depending on how much I train and I lose 700 weapons when the civil war happens from stockpiles so not too bad this way I can train units after I within a year and get them level 3 I assume?

[glacial steeple]

you lost me sorry

imma get up and go eat anyway

[vital plinth]

So i noticed if I keep only 4-6 divisions( of the bad 1 horse version ) I keep them all when civil war starts and only lose maybe 600-800 infantry weapons from stockpiles

Seems okay ish no ?
And I can train the real divisions later no ?

[wind lotus]

Is there a specific light spg design I should be using then?

[stuck garnet]

is mobile warfare that bad?

i wanna use itt

[dusty sandal]

it's useless

[stuck garnet]

why 😭

[dusty sandal]

doesn't give anything useful

best you get from it is 10% speed which is, again, useless

you get 20% coordination and 15% planning with GBP or stupid amount of recovery rate and 10% soft with SFP
and with both of them you get -10% supply and fuel consupmtion (either through army spirits or doctrine)

mass assault is also useless

[merry temple]

Damn, how to do an invasion from US? I've been trying for over an hour, but still don't understand how to do it. It requires to have around 370 ship in each region on its way, it's impossible, because I have to cover Japan regions either

[glacial steeple]

its still the best if your enemy has no army

[glacial steeple]

10% hp

[austere roost]

If mass assault has just something else going for it then it might become more used

[dusky oyster]

my game is running so slow rn

how do i fix it+

because its been like this for 5 mins allready

[swift blade]

would anyone run a game with me n teach me how to play?

[dusty sandal]

try without the mods on

[native shale]

how do i declare war on texas and the confederacy? ther ar no more focuses to do so

the fire rises btw

[errant chasm]

You may want to ask in the official TFR server. You are more likely to get an answer there.

[gilded shuttle]

what's the best infantry battalions?

for late game

[slender lodge]

Guys, always i play as Germany i easy get anschluss, chezclosvakia, poland, belgium, Luxemburg, netherlands, france and denmark at 1938

Could someone here tell me at which year i should start making tanks?

[slender lodge]

Like, if i try to make them after i get france its pretty hard cuz resources and factorías

[stuck garnet]

Tfr sucks

Play kaiserreich

Or eaw

Novum vexillum is better even

[slender lodge]

@dusty sandal @dusty sandal @dusty sandal

at which year i should make tanks as germany

[brazen glade]

is there any way to avoid fighitng UK as Germany?

like can I make them facist and they team with me?

[slender lodge]

yep

there is a way to get them off u

conquer them fast in 1936

[brazen glade]

I aint that good

I cant get good enough naval dominace to naval invade

[slender lodge]

well i can take over europe in 2 minutes and im bad at game

[slender lodge]

paratroopers

[brazen glade]

idk how to use them

[slender lodge]

its easy

[brazen glade]

im playing ro56 also

[slender lodge]

all you need is:

1 - paratroopers

2 - transporters

3 - air dominance

and then u launch them to Uk capital

[brazen glade]

i can never get more planes then the UK

or ships

[slender lodge]

u can

do the anschluss 1936

get france & europe at 1936

1938*

and prepare to invade uk in 1939

[brazen glade]

why are UK the best in 39 or something

[slender lodge]

cuzu dont need to do things historically

[brazen glade]

i kinda like the rp though

[slender lodge]

if you dont get poland till 39 the allies are gonna cook u

[slender lodge]

yeah well all my tries to go historical failed so badly

i cant even get over benelux with alot of losses and cant even touch france

but if you do it in 1938 u easy get em all

and

uk infantry is so bad

[junior light]

is it better to do concentrated or dispersed industry?

[brazen glade]

I can rip through France and Benelux but always struggle invading the UK

[slender lodge]

De-pends

[slender lodge]

cuz u wont be able to invade uk byn aval

[brazen glade]

They just always have like 1k more fighters then me and destroy my ships

[slender lodge]

u need paratroopers

[slender lodge]

dont use ships

naval is bafd

get over france at 38 and start preparing for uk

[brazen glade]

How many factory’s do I put on fighters?

[slender lodge]

make sure u activate Sea Lion national focus

[slender lodge]

depends on what your needs

but i always put them on 5 and then 10

also make sure u have enough ressources to make them good

production good*

[brazen glade]

I don’t think I have that DLC

Where you can make them stronger

[slender lodge]

im just playing normal HOI4

[brazen glade]

How do I upgrade them?

[slender lodge]

well u need to get a design

and also make sure ur production efficiency is good

invading uk at 1939 - 1941 gotta be hard

[slender lodge]

gonna be hard*

u should make them weak and weak

start by exhile them from afrika

vichy france is a good support but i dont like them btw

[glacial steeple]

hello chat

[glacial steeple]

kind of irrelevant

there isnt much there

[brazen glade]

I prefer taking it all and I play with more Reichkommasarts mod

[glacial steeple]

its about having naval/air superiority, being able to defend your port when you land

[slender lodge]

if they get afrika italy is gone

[brazen glade]

So I just develop Frankenreich

[glacial steeple]

no? theyre fine just put some garrisons in their nation

[slender lodge]

i dont play with mods

[slender lodge]

always i try to defend italy they are useless

[brazen glade]

I play with a lot

Like 20

[slender lodge]

weakest allies

[glacial steeple]

the ai doesnt have the industry to cover all their ports and tends to have high losses

so thatll happen

[slender lodge]

yeah so u have 3 things to do after france

prepare for sea lion, prepare for barbarrosa or do afrika krops+

[brazen glade]

Do I invade UK and Russia at the same time?

[slender lodge]

of course no

[brazen glade]

I always tried to finish with UK first then go with Russia

[slender lodge]

u should get uk first+

cuz they are annoy

[slender lodge]

russia is likely mostly secondary

the only reason germany lost ww2 its because they fight agaisnt USSR

[brazen glade]

But I wait until it’s over with UK or can I go earlier?

[slender lodge]

and usa

[slender lodge]

u should get uk first

[brazen glade]

Na USSR carried

80% of German casualties were inflicted by USSR

[wet crater]

From lend lease

[slender lodge]

because USA fight when the war was already gone

[brazen glade]

Classic USA

[slender lodge]

usa had better industry, better preparation for atacck and more soldiers & tanks to use

[brazen glade]

Joined late both wars yet take credit for them

[slender lodge]

while germany is making a Tiger E, usa already had another 5 shermans fighting

[slender lodge]

they carried on afrika & western europe

[wet crater]

And of course an ungodly amount of lend lease to force the soviets to function

[slender lodge]

soviets was gonna kill the germans anyway

[brazen glade]

Empire carried in Afrika and it was a joint effort in Western Europe

[wet crater]

They didnt have enough equipment to push properly

[slender lodge]

they had

soviets had more mans, more tanks, and the war was already lost for germans

[brazen glade]

They had like 6x the troops it didn’t matter

[slender lodge]

while germany logistic was a terror, all the soviets need to do is retreat

[wet crater]

They were mainly holding prior from the eastern european mud season, the logisics sucked for any invader

[slender lodge]

soviet soldiers: 11m+ / while germany just sent 4m to barbarrosa

[wet crater]

Same dynamic played out with napoleon

Russia might not have great equipment

[slender lodge]

(soviets had more at war end but it was for recruitment and more things)

[wet crater]

But damnit they have a lot of people

[brazen glade]

80% of German losses were by the USSR lets be real they carried

[slender lodge]

russia is just impossible to invade with a good army if you dont have good numbers

[wet crater]

Yes, exactly

[slender lodge]

99% soviets losses were by the germans

[wet crater]

Lend lease let the russians push, holding out wasnt exactly the issue, it was pushing through the superior german equipment, lend lease changed that dynamic

[brazen glade]

Don’t forget Finland

[wet crater]

With good guns

A lot of them

[slender lodge]

finland didnt wanted to push, they wanted karjala

[wet crater]

Yeah finland wanted their stuff back

Not to conquer russia

[brazen glade]

They didn’t need to push they weren’t expansionists

[wet crater]

Until they did

Because doing fascist finland in this game

Very fun

[slender lodge]

they need to take karjala back, is just expansionism

[brazen glade]

Na that’s a legitimate claim

[slender lodge]

i love when 48 ussr divitions get arrased by only 1 finnish troop

[wet crater]

Its so funny

[slender lodge]

finland was russian likely 30 years ago

[wet crater]

I had to use rangers like tanks

To pull it off

I uh

Didnt get planes in time

[brazen glade]

Huh

[wet crater]

Yeah finland broke away in the russian revolution

[slender lodge]

also baltics

[wet crater]

After russia took it from sweden in the great northern war

[wet crater]

Yeah them too

[slender lodge]

and polski

[brazen glade]

They don’t become Russian if they get invaded

[slender lodge]

and bessarabia

[brazen glade]

That isn’t how that works

You aren’t ethnically Russian now

[wet crater]

Thats not what he means

They became russian subjects

Not ethnic russians

[brazen glade]

He said Finland was Russian

[wet crater]

Yeah

Because russia conquered it

[brazen glade]

Its still Finnish

[wet crater]

But they didnt magically become russian culturally

But they were russians

[slender lodge]

so 70% of america is Iberian cuz spain conquered them

?

[wet crater]

From being under the heel of the tsar

And little else

[brazen glade]

????????????

That would be your argument

[slender lodge]

thats how YOUR logic works

you literally said that

[wet crater]

I am at this point assuming the fellow is being intentionally obtuse

Or doesnt fully understand the expression

[wet crater]

He did say that

[brazen glade]

No I didnt

I am saying even when conquered they don't become Russian

[wet crater]

Is italy being bad a thing again?

[slender lodge]

isnt like if USA puts a flag in my house i automatically became an american

[slender lodge]

im italian irl

[brazen glade]

I agree

Thats my point

[wet crater]

I have mostly seen weirdly competent italys in game

Also yeah, italian american

[slender lodge]

my worst run, italy just conquered france by their back

my best run they did nun.

[wet crater]

Which I dont get, we suck at war

Like, big time

Its so bad

[slender lodge]

currently (2026) italy is better at wars

[wet crater]

That I was unable to find a single notable italian in the civil war

[slender lodge]

technically italy won and lost the two big wars

[wet crater]

Even with italian language documents

[wet crater]

True that

[brazen glade]

Lmao

[wet crater]

We are good at ending up on the right team

[slender lodge]

yep

france had better tanks than germans in 1940, but germans still had better strat

[wet crater]

How our independence wars got won too

[brazen glade]

My country is always the right team

[wet crater]

We straight up backed prussia, they carried and we got land

[slender lodge]

you always are the right one ig

[brazen glade]

Apart from recently

[brazen glade]

I am from the UK

[wet crater]

Which country is that?

Ah

[brazen glade]

UK

[slender lodge]

uk rebuilt from WW2 at 2007

meanwhile, germany did it in 6.7 years

[brazen glade]

Yeah what I mean by recently

Modern Britian is the worst we have been

[wet crater]

Its honestly extremely impressive

[slender lodge]

USA factor + good industry + good land

[wet crater]

A true economic miracle

[slender lodge]

fr

[brazen glade]

Because we feel like its also our job to rebuild everyone else other then ourselves

Its stupid

[slender lodge]

germany is the USA from europe

[wet crater]

Ironically the marshall plan paid out more than the reperation debt

[slender lodge]

meanwhile, france still scary and making a better army

[wet crater]

From Versailles

[brazen glade]

UK pre WW2

Aura

[slender lodge]

Uk after 1940

[wet crater]

They are as federalized as over here at least

And have Bayern

[slender lodge]

if it wasnt for USA & USSR, the world would`ve speaking german

[wet crater]

Thats not per se so bad

[slender lodge]

for some reason, nazism is prohibited in germany even in games

[brazen glade]

They acc loved the brits

[slender lodge]

i mean

how u prohibite history

we all know nazis were bad

[wet crater]

Heck german is already used for so much scientific and cultural things

[slender lodge]

no one was good in that war

[brazen glade]

Brits were considered Germanic also

[wet crater]

Its extremely complicated in germany

[slender lodge]

bc their emperor was

german

in like ww1

[brazen glade]

The populace is Anglo-Saxon

[wet crater]

Needless to say though, any german I have talked to is anti nazi

[slender lodge]

" federal bunders republik of germany "

[wet crater]

You said federal twice

[slender lodge]

every german i know is nazi

[wet crater]

Bunde is federal

[slender lodge]

yeah well

[brazen glade]

Germany loved us until around 41 then gave up trying

[wet crater]

They only had in emperor in respect to india

Otherwise the dude was king

[slender lodge]

they never gave up till 43

when Luftwaffe collapsed

[wet crater]

Because, reasons

[brazen glade]

The propaganda against us only really started in 41

Before then they were begging for peace

[slender lodge]

if germany had a stat it would've something like this: army: 8, economy: 1, luftwaffe and kriegsmarine: 1 (1940-1945)

[wet crater]

Checks out

Speaking of things

[slender lodge]

luftwaffe and kriegsmarine were a little weak

[wet crater]

Does forming america do sul

[slender lodge]

yo mean south

?

[wet crater]

Disqualify a run from getting the snake smokes?

[slender lodge]

because winston churchill didnt want peace

[wet crater]

Its portughese for south america yes, basically same as sud

[brazen glade]

Exactly

[slender lodge]

he wanted " Peace " but when he had the opportunity he jst said " no "

[wet crater]

Its a formable for monarchist brazil

So it uses portughese

[slender lodge]

in argentina, around 80% of the poblation is neo nazi

in spain theres alot of neo nazis too

[wet crater]

Havent exactly been to south america personally

I was just asking an achievement question

[brazen glade]

Fascism has always been big in spain, idk about neo Nazism though

[wet crater]

Oh and chile has the wild path

[slender lodge]

chile is just lucky

[wet crater]

The monarchist one that gives, cores on france

Yeah..

Its weird

[brazen glade]

Which team do you guys support?

[wet crater]

Yeah I swear chile always ends up with like 100 ships

Its weird

[slender lodge]

def democratic

[brazen glade]

I mean football lmao

[wet crater]

Dunno

[slender lodge]

nationalsocialist of barcelona

my favorite

[wet crater]

I dont watch either form personally

[brazen glade]

Does everyone just hate Lazio in Italy

[slender lodge]

players are me

and my dog

[wet crater]

The thing is its got an actual precedent for it

The mapuche people, tried to crown a french dude as their king to not die

It failed

[slender lodge]

mapuche ppl was weak

they just wanted to stay as uncivilized

[wet crater]

They held out for a while

They also likely had a different form of civilization

Than what western ones work under

[slender lodge]

called uncivilized cuz civilization has language, comertialization, traders, politics and rules

they live on anarchy

[wet crater]

They clearly have languages

[slender lodge]

uga uga

du bist uga?

[wet crater]

Thats just bad german

[slender lodge]

ja

deutsch

ist gut

i think

the true deutsch people

died after 1950

after that, germany had alot of ppl from other countrys

[glacial steeple]

👁️

[slender lodge]

calm

@glacial steeple whats your favorite panzers divition?

light - medium - heavy

[brazen glade]

Big Brother is watching

[wet crater]

I mean the mapuche clearly had a form of decentralized polity

[slender lodge]

deutsch is supposed to be

[wet crater]

And a lot of, mounds

[slender lodge]

the deutsch tribe

[wet crater]

Everywhere

Like earthen ones

Little odd

[slender lodge]

mostly white people in south america were italians ,spanish or from europe

because in south america, white skin isnt good for adaptation

[slender lodge]

u get easy burned by sun

[glacial steeple]

i dont think this should be discussed in ask for help.

[wet crater]

They live in mountains a, and b I wasnt even looking for race theory

[slender lodge]

no one here is helping me with the tanks thing tho

[wet crater]

I asked about a south american achievement

[main light]

still a fact

[slender lodge]

mountains arent everywhere tho

[main light]

humans evolved darker skin in places with more sunlight

and lighter in places with less

[slender lodge]

in south america, the highest one are the Andes

[slender lodge]

fr

[main light]

so we can get more or less vitamin D or whatever it is

[wet crater]

But yeah uh

[glacial steeple]

i ask you to move this conversation to #off-topic or off the server, thank you.

[wet crater]

Can America do sul get the snake smokes?

[slender lodge]

what is snake smokes

[wet crater]

Was the original thing

[wet crater]

Its an achievement for capping germany

[balmy dawn]

Weird bug question...

It's 1942 aand I have Improved Small Airframe researched... why isn't it showing up in my designer? Especially since Improved Carrier is showing up. /boggle

[main light]

As you command

[wet crater]

While in the alllies as brazil

But brazil can form america do sul for cores

[main light]

try "show outdated equipment"

may be there

[stuck garnet]

Look at outdated

[wet crater]

So it may be easier to form it for more manpower

[balmy dawn]

I checked that too....

[slender lodge]

are u talking abt hoi4

?

[wet crater]

Yes?

Have you not played brazil

[slender lodge]

never

and def im not playing as brazil

[wet crater]

It has a weirdly strong monarchist path

[balmy dawn]

Outdated screenshot...

[wet crater]

Lets you core all of south america

All of it

[slender lodge]

" basic small airframe "

[balmy dawn]

I need "improved"

[slender lodge]

research it

[glacial steeple]

do you have another design on this airframe?

[wet crater]

The carrier airframe isnt the same tech as the small frame?

[balmy dawn]

Nope

[glacial steeple]

from license or spawn in not from tech

if not then idk

[wet crater]

Besides being able to put carrier planes, on carriers, what makes them different?

[glacial steeple]

1 more weight 1 extra ic cost

[wet crater]

Ah

[glacial steeple]

less range

[balmy dawn]

I have a similar problem with Basic Amtracs, as well

[wet crater]

So yeah, normal better unless you are, going ham on carriers for, some reason

And even then, carrier naval bombers are best not fighters

I get that much

[balmy dawn]

NVM all. I found it. It's out of order in my list, for some reason. Thanks

[native shale]

jew spotted

[stuck garnet]

I wish i was jewish

[native shale]

yikes

[balmy dawn]

If I recall correctly... 4 armor on Tanks and 2 armore on ships is basically more than the AI can penetrate. Is that correct?

[stuck garnet]

Greatest compliment you couldve ever given me btw

[rustic halo]

the 10 organization, is that what it takes to have this support unit, aka make my unit weaker (except for the bonus the support company gives), or does it add organization to my unit making it more organized?

also, does "factory output" effect only my mils or also my civs?

[stuck garnet]

Crazy how you have to call me (i havent even met anyone jewish in person) jewish just to defend the mod

Pre-emptively btw

Ig

Like israel

[native shale]

goated mod

[stuck garnet]

Horrible tech tree

[native shale]

tech dont even matter

[stuck garnet]

Trash economic system

[native shale]

ur fighting all the time so there is no point

[stuck garnet]

Horrible division comprehension

[native shale]

doesnt matter

[stuck garnet]

3 width infantry

Terrain penalties suck for everything

The focus trees arent even good

[native shale]

only a jew focuses on these details that dont matter in the experience of the game

[native shale]

this is blasphemy

stop being so jewish

[stuck garnet]

Youre israeli

[native shale]

thats all i ask of you

[stuck garnet]

Spiritually israeli

[native shale]

i hate you

ur really grinding my gears

[stuck garnet]

Thank you❤️

[glacial steeple]

can we not

[native shale]

ur making my blood boil over here buster

[stuck garnet]

Fair

[native shale]

dont be saying slurs in this discord

[rustic halo]

if someone wants to scroll through this incredibly racist antisemetic spamm i did ask some questions above

[native shale]

jews arent even semites

google og semites

[versed rose]

Division organization uses the average of all things inside. Adding supports will reduce org 99% of the time

[versed rose]

Factory output only affects mils

[rustic halo]

ah nice thanks

ty

[vital plinth]

is tactical bombers or strategic bombers good to build or use at all ? If so how many should you ideals have or good to use ? Is it with small or medium or large airframe

[austere roost]

There's a strat bomber faction quest

[slender lodge]

9 inf + 1 artillery = Good?

[austere roost]

Otherwise they're not really useful for SP since you would have to repair things, especially if you're facing Germany since their consumer goods factor reaches 100 in 1942-1943 anyway so they can't use factories whether you bomb them or not

[slender lodge]

scraping the barrel and sending kids to War = good

[austere roost]

Line artillery is bad

[slender lodge]

Do i use puré infantry

?

[austere roost]

Just don't use line artillery

[slender lodge]

THEN WHAT DO I USE

BARK VARK

BARK BARRRKKK

[austere roost]

Usually divisions are just leg inf or armor spg/td divisions

[slender lodge]

what is spg

[austere roost]

Artillery or tank destroyer role armor

[slender lodge]

what is HOI4

[austere roost]

Check pins they have offensive templates

[slender lodge]

but

i dont wanna be harrased by offensive témplate!! :((!!

[austere roost]

And cas is better than tac for ground support

[glacial steeple]

tacs are more strat bombing per ic but less range

[austere roost]

But the faction quest requests strats

[vital plinth]

Whats the difference between Strat and tactical bombing ?

Why is only in multiplayer they are used or bad in in single player just so I have a good understanding 😅

[austere roost]

Tacs can do ground support and strat bombing

I told you

1940 cas is better than tac for ground support and strat bombing is not a useful thing in sp since you have to repair the things that you bombed

[vital plinth]

You mean if I after take over the lands that I bombed ? Isn’t that the same in multiplayer to take the land you bombed or attack ?

[dense lark]

when should i start building millitary factories

[austere roost]

yeah but in mp it's one big war and it's over, while in sp you might have multiple different wars

also in sp just cas itself is good enough, you're wasting research and ic doing strat bombers

[brazen glade]

Are there any RP multiplayer games

[neat widget]

really? I thoguht tacs still were less strat bombing per ic than top line strat bombers

[royal juniper]

guys

I may not have a brain gentleman, But I HAVE AN IDEAAA!

[merry temple]

I asked before but no one answered me. How to do an invasion from US? I've been trying for over an hour, but still don't understand how to do it. It requires to have around 370 ship in each region on its way, it's impossible, because I have to cover Japan regions either

[thin nebula]

370 dominance

each ship gives a certain amount of supremacy

rule of thumb is destroyers are around 30-40 cruisers are 100-150

you have to have them patrol the region and then you'll build it up over around a month?

[merry temple]

I have to have 370 dominance in each region on its way or only in coastal regions?

[thin nebula]

ill take some pictures when my game loads to show

its different per region but most regions are ocean so 375

like the danish belts is fjords and archipeligos which is 150?

[merry temple]

Btw, does the naval invasion order work or not?

[neat widget]

375 actually

[neat widget]

except for coastal regions in whic case it is 150

[thin nebula]

i did say that too

[neat widget]

oh my bad

[thin nebula]

so that picture shows you how much a fleet gives tree

3 cruisers should cover any sea zone but also depending on the strike force you could only need 1 cruiser for instance

[neat widget]

Unless your enemy has naval dominance

But yeah this makes for very easy first strikes

[neat widget]

Post-1.17 your best bet against Britain is to get a North Sea coast and then naval invade in 1937 or, more precisely, before it sets up any naval supremacy

[thin nebula]

i think hes usa vs japan

[neat widget]

You do the same thing as the US

[thin nebula]

but either way still works

[neat widget]

Set a bunch of marines in the Philippines, literally bypass Taiwan and head straight towards Kyushu to overrun the Japanese home islands

You may want to detach some destroyers to block some straits

[merry temple]

not actually, I'm going to invade Reich

[thin nebula]

also dont forget to change the base or click the cog

it'll allow them to actually move where they're based

[neat widget]

Although in that case the Japanese will set up naval supremacy

[merry temple]

Yeah, I haven't forget to do it

[neat widget]

So you need at least some fleet to pull that one off

[merry temple]

Does the naval invasion order work or not?

[neat widget]

Yeah it works

as long as you have naval supremacy it will launch

[merry temple]

And can I use instead of patrol?

[neat widget]

You must have at least one patrol per sea zone

And then a single fleet on strike force will add a percentage modifier

But for one or two seazones it's not worth it

[merry temple]

Got it, tysm, mates

[neat widget]

It'd be funny seeing the USA pull a page out of admiral Fisher's book and conduct the Baltic plan, but that would be a quick way to get into Berlin and Germany in general

[thin nebula]

i did the whole thing here in the bay of biscay

[neat widget]

wait which nation is this

[thin nebula]

belgicia

belgium

[neat widget]

ah i see

[neat widget]

also if you have the oil for it patrol is useful for increasing stability

5% per sea zone bordering cores

[thin nebula]

i didnt even know that thats amazing

[royal juniper]

uhh

I need help

[thin nebula]

with what?

[royal juniper]

with this

[thin nebula]

?

[neat widget]

By the way MP players will try to deny you this

[thin nebula]

i dont play mp because its basically "dont do anything fun or make the host mad"

[neat widget]

Imagine naval microing during peacetime

[royal juniper]

hmm

should I try give my marine SP AA or ART?

[neat widget]

what does it look like rn

[errant aurora]

hey how do I avoid this? no one is moving only red bubbles

https://tenor.com/view/paiva-paivaa-cortisol-effects-reasonable-crashout-cortisol-gif-18374890919777555677

[rustic halo]

with göttesdämmerung, are super heavy tanks viable into the late game or should i work towards modern tanks?

[austere roost]

seems like you didn't activate the battle plan

[errant aurora]

ye I believe i had 1 or more things wrong\

[austere roost]

1938 meds are good enough for late game. If you really want late game tanks use 1943 mediums since modern tanks are meme tanks and super heavies are support companies

and super heavies give you a lot of terrain debuffs so you don't actually want them in big divisions

[rustic halo]

are the 1943 mediums better than the moderns?

whats the best platform for a tank destroyer? also medium?

[tepid umbra]

air

and equipment

[austere roost]

Yes, just look at the chassis stats. Also have you ever tried building a modern tank? You can't put second weapons on there

And in sp you just use medium since it gets the job done and is cheaper. Only in mp do you use heavies because stats really do matter

[rustic halo]

ty^^

dont think ive ever used a second turret cuz they are big memes irl

[austere roost]

hoi4 isn't real life so second turrets matter

[rustic halo]

noice

[glacial steeple]

riveted armor is bad irl too

[rustic halo]

oh yeah ive only been using cast armor lol

could someone send me the perfect tank destroyer please? like for pure meme purposes, production cost doesnt matter

[glacial steeple]

☠️

riveted armor in game is by far the best because -20% cost

cast is +20% (+40% from riveted)

even welded armor is pretty bad

[rustic halo]

i pretty much only play meme campaigns like this, turtle up for a decade, research everything, and then steamroll people

[austere roost]

you use cast armor when you have like 800 factories

[glacial steeple]

id just make air/missiles tbh

instead of investing more into tank

[austere roost]

Building air is boring

[glacial steeple]

missile fun

nuke fun

[austere roost]

Yeah I ain't waiting until 1944

[glacial steeple]

thats optimistic

[austere roost]

Just get the war over in a year

Also the naval AI still sucks

[rustic halo]

how are medium fighters?

[neat widget]

bruh

[austere roost]

only if you're usa or post 1945 and bored

and that's only because usa gets a lot of research cards for aircraft

[rustic halo]

ty

[neat widget]

If you're post 1945 you do supersonic jet

unless you don't have that due to dlc reasons

[rustic halo]

can i go to war with the allies as democratic belgium?

[austere roost]

7 breakthroughs 😭

[neat widget]

It can be done

[prisma mica]

What template are you using

For defense

[rustic halo]

normal infantry into mechanized

idk i just kinda try different things

[graceful dragon]

GUYSSS i havent played for a while how are u supposed to grind doctrines now

[dusty sandal]

You pick doctrines then gain mastery from combat and training

[graceful dragon]

yes but is there a way to get mastery fast

or will i just not have full doctrine by war

or what

[dusty sandal]

Having combat experience is actually meaningful now

[dusty sandal]

You won't

[graceful dragon]

Damn

[marsh kraken]

hey im playing as austria and got the pop up asking who i should seek protection from. who should i accept

[pliant condor]

read

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTlv8qubYg-c86-bMtzY6VJWBhBQYrr1UXbRnkAb3cpr-c5RM6eHqdJid_Wm0jWY8XF0NrIgJfOnLAl/pub#:~:text=Even better method to grind mastery in 1.17.3

it's very very fast if you do it correctly

[dusty sandal]

the fact there are so many exploits to get mastery pre war easily shows how much spaghetti code is happening on this old ass game

[white bobcat]

@glacial steeple how do u have 170k messages in this server ALONE bro

thats 4x my discord wrap

[dusty sandal]

helping people takes a lot of words

[glacial steeple]

ive been out of it lately yeah :(

[brittle oak]

is there any way to increase reason besides improving relations and diplomatic pressure? I'm looking for a non-aggression pact with japan as germany (Tripartite Pact didn't trigger for me)

[jolly escarp]

why is there no restoring the roman empire achievement?

[glacial steeple]

no, sometimes you cant get them to accept

shared wars usually helps lots

[dusty sandal]

ask paradox

there is one as the pope

[jolly escarp]

Paradox is really crossing the red line, they don’t want to push me too far

[indigo sapphire]

which land units are good to use

[errant chasm]

Infantry, Mountaineers, Marines, Forest Rangers, Tanks, and mechanized.

[keen hemlock]

Spgs are good too

[errant chasm]

In MP the Self Propelled anti tank is good

[indigo sapphire]

alr

is it worth it to create make design new templates based on Real life units

[inner sparrow]

no real life based templates aren’t good

[opaque garden]

where di i stop the soviets

should i just try to hold the frontline

or hold a sefensive linr

there isnt rly a good defensive line tho

game gave me 6 of these for free

[opaque garden]

i am gonna add anti air

[dusty sandal]

if you can manage to get the orange hub (pskov) you'll hold no problem

[dusty sandal]

no AA ? you're dead

[opaque garden]

.

[dusty sandal]

cav recon must go

[opaque garden]

thats the div game gave me

cant bother changing it

[dusty sandal]

should've gone infantry assault or individual excellence for HP or stats

[dusty sandal]

well then you're dead

like there is no contest here

[opaque garden]

nah im just gonna build forts and hopefullt hold

[dusty sandal]

it's either you have air or you have anti air

[opaque garden]

we all know how well the maginot worked out

[dusty sandal]

forts won't hold without static anti air

[opaque garden]

broski

[dusty sandal]

it worked out really well actually

[dusty sandal]

you're very late to do so, you likely won't have nearly enough

[opaque garden]

its 38

[dusty sandal]

june 39 on your screenshot ?

[opaque garden]

im getting like one mill per 1.6 months

[dusty sandal]

you basically have 4 months tops

[opaque garden]

nvm

i have 20 mills

[dusty sandal]

and you need way more divs for the polish front

[opaque garden]

im training more divs

[dusty sandal]

that means more AA need

I also hope you have static AA or armored trains to prevent logistrike

[opaque garden]

i have armored

[dusty sandal]

good

ensure you have manpower in reserve too, or each battle will become a death spiral
less manpower in div = less HP = more casualities = less HP

[opaque garden]

i revoke my statement i am not cooked

[dusty sandal]

3 civs, 4 mils that's very good but idk if it'll save you

also don't forget coast guards

you need at least 1 div per port as emergency

[opaque garden]

40 percent entranchemnt ill take it

[opaque garden]

do you think this run will be a success

gimme your honest opnion

[dusty sandal]

if you only have guns 2s in your divs, it's probably salvageable, otherwise I give you 6months of survival before frontline collapses

but you should try it still, I find fighting desperate situations fun tbf

[opaque garden]

wdym i only have 2 guns?

ignore the aa

its ramping up

i need to get the efficiency going

[dusty sandal]

guns 1940

[opaque garden]

oh

ok

[dusty sandal]

if your troops are fully equipped with 1940 guns or above

because more stats

[opaque garden]

ik

[dusty sandal]

delete your deployed aicrafts and fleet, you'll get manpower

they aren't useful anyway

[opaque garden]

i have enough for now

[dusty sandal]

these are wasted manpower anyway

biplanes will exploe without doing anything, dying for no reason and the subs are ass

[opaque garden]

eh im still mobilizing more

plus im gonna get desperate defense

[dusty sandal]

literally free manpower not to throw away

[opaque garden]

the time has come

[dusty sandal]

watch the polish border

[woven cairn]

can anyone tell me the best defensive infantary template for the current patch
is medium anti air still viable?

[dusty sandal]

9inf support arty, aa

you want it to be cheap and efficient

[serene karma]

Still 9/0

[serene karma]

What he said

But i dont think theres medium aa lol

Only aa

[woven cairn]

no cheap won't do
I am trying netherlands by forming benelux
I won't survive the german onslaught with just this

[woven cairn]

medium tank aa

[dusty sandal]

yes you will

[opaque garden]

there goes my entire air force