🔧│keyboard_modding

[night atlas]

yea my v1 has CF, which I liked the most so far

might get that if the PEI ain't good

[bright sparrow]

I can send some when I get back from work

[trail bane]

True btw

[night atlas]

Sweet, will be waiting on a ping

what switches r u running

[bright sparrow]

I was running gateron jade emerald heavy tactile but didn’t really like how the feeling the bump felt very light.

Currently running Wuque WS Flux deep clack I found cheep on Ali express

[regal patio]

This is a board that I build using their kit

Board : 60v2
Lubed stabs
2X Pet film + Poron + PET + two layer tape mod
Poron foam + PET film on the bottom
Switches: Keytok Nova's
Keycaps: Thick dye-sub pbt keycaps with a kilmat modded spacebar

[chilly mural]

that sounds soo dead lmao

but quite deep

[calm pulsar]

you mean thocccccy

[regal patio]

My phone mike isn't the best at capturing the sound of this board

[chilly mural]

I guess, maybe the mic is tuned only for voice so the high end might be lost

[regal patio]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

I send a better sound test here

I just used EPDM foam instead of Poron

And I also recorded that with a better mike

[chilly mural]

this sounded deep but with a hint of clack.

It's not 6 foot dead, only 1-3 foot since there's still some on the top end

[regal patio]

I personally like how the Poron foam sounds but it's personal preference

[tropic urchin]

It sounds like fresh cut spring flowers strewn across a babbling brook with a hint of lemon

[chilly mural]

Ohhh, that is heavenly

is that thock?

[fluid ravine]

Needs diff case lowkey

AYO 2X PET FILM???

[calm pulsar]

each layer is like 5% of added thock

[fluid ravine]

+1 +1 +1 +1 +1

[tropic urchin]

I need to hear 4x

Not enough lekker v2 sound

[fluid ravine]

"When did my key caps become so tall"

[calm pulsar]

its gonna be so dead you wont hear anything at that point

[tropic urchin]

I need Wuque to release diamonds already

[lyric nimbus]

i want to try wuque diamonds

[chilly mural]

this actually makes me curious, what if you multiply the bottom case's foam from wooting by 2-5x

[fluid ravine]

Need dem to ship diamonds out to review

[lyric nimbus]

but like

that damn pricetag is so high

[tropic urchin]

Just swipe your credit card debtson

[chilly mural]

ehh, just almost 2x the price of gmk base set

[fluid ravine]

Lmao

[calm pulsar]

your wall be like:

[fluid ravine]

My wall

[tropic urchin]

Actually

Imma show Wuque that video

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

Me trying to reason with my wall about WS diamonds

[chilly mural]

it'll be worth it

I'm happy to see from the other side

[fluid ravine]

Source:trust me

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/jjoofan-clubkangtaehyun-drake-drake-concert-drake-gun-gif-13514941315839010749

the wall after ws diamond review

[regal patio]

I used to have 4 layers of foam in the case

Until I realized the case sits 1cm higher than it should

Love thockkkkkkkkkkk

[chilly mural]

what ever makes you happy

[regal patio]

I'll try to make a clacky board someday

To see what I'm missing by not being a member of the clack church

[tropic urchin]

Happiness? In this economy?

[fluid ravine]

when you realize you can have more with less

[chilly mural]

I guess being rich and sad is better

[still robin]

i need urgent help please

[wispy wharf]

What does pet case film do to the sound of the 80he zinc case?

[regal patio]

?

[regal patio]

More is more

[trail bane]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-deglove-degloving-speed-grolemcorp-gif-2628858460915389297

[tulip rapids]

snitch

[wispy wharf]

What do the wuque diamond sound like?

[tropic urchin]

True

[honest sparrow]

guys, fr4 plate for the 80he?

is there any I can buy?

[sacred elm]

keyboard fun store on aliexpress

[honest sparrow]

@sacred elm thanks mate. is it any good?

[sacred elm]

it's a good plate, yes

[honest sparrow]

@sacred elm i'll check it, thanks!

@sacred elm does it need screws or it just works the same way the og?

[night atlas]

oooo sounds like it feels "bouncy" lol

almost a rubber sound quality

[urban ingot]

Keykobo Shee arrived. So much Purple… this shift and enter look pink in that light, but they’re purple too.

[cyan hemlock]

So polyfill has a greater impact on aluminum cases vs plastic cases?

[urban ingot]

Aluminum resonates more, so that tracks.

[sacred elm]

screws are included with it

[honest sparrow]

but do you need to change the silicon pad for anything?

[sacred elm]

no, you can keep silicone

[honest sparrow]

thank you

[ionic breach]

https://worklouder.cc/

Cool deskmats, keebs and macro boards

a lil steep but i really like the aesthetic

[trail bane]

Gn

[sly palm]

<@&1098943457654997093>

crunch time

[deep swift]

Hey all,

I installed a CF plate from Toronto keyboard man into my V2. The keyboard isn’t held by friction anymore (if that makes sense). Is that normal?

My V1 has a CF plate and is fine. Idk if I did something wrong on my V2

[sacred elm]

Did you forget to install friction fit pad?

[deep swift]

Nah I for sure didn’t

It’s just wobbly inside the case

[sacred elm]

weird, it shouldn't be because of the plate

can you pull the module and take a photo

[deep swift]

It just falls out lol. Idk if the screws need to be tighter? That’s why?

[sacred elm]

yea, that's loose for sure, but does it wiggle around when you normally use it?

[deep swift]

No it sits secure. Was just the looseness that was concerning me

[sacred elm]

should be tighter than that, but as long as the module doesn't wobble in the case when using it normally, it's fine

you're not supposed to use it upside down

[deep swift]

I’ll use my keyboard how I want.

I think it’s the screws not being tight? But just wanted to see if anyone else had that “issue”

[ionic breach]

dont think the screws affect it at all

[deep swift]

Hmm I’m not too sure then. Long as it works I guess it’s whatever

[young viper]

The only guess is have would be the screws are too loose and the friction pad isn't pressed out as much as it should be, but even then that's a long shot answer

[fluid ravine]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mshY1Vn

Oh...

[young viper]

135 for 30 pieces😭

Does lander's link have em yet?

[sacred elm]

what's this

[fluid ravine]

WS diamond

[humble surge]

61 USD for 30 actually

[sacred elm]

ah

[humble surge]

So for a small price of 180, a full set is possible :D

[young viper]

What world are you in😭

[humble surge]

China

[young viper]

Mb I mean jabbers link

It may be rgb eight treasure?

[ionic breach]

yea most likely

[humble surge]

jabber shared the diamond link aswell

thats what i was referring to

[warm pilot]

mods. crucifi this man

[queen magnet]

Woah let me sign up too

[sly palm]

<@&1098943457654997093>

crunch

[little prairie]

that guy has tried to watch porn on dc thats how they get hacked

[potent summit]

Does anyone know how to spray paint optimum case black?

[tulip rapids]

damn i missed out on the mr beast giveaway

[sly palm]

Will ping you the next time

So you don't miss out on the money

[tulip rapids]

mr beast x flux diamond giveaway when

[sly palm]

Before mods take it all

[tulip rapids]

i dont need the money i need the switches

[sly palm]

You can buy the money with the switches

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-suck-kirby-vacuum-cute-nintendo-gif-16544038

[tulip rapids]

high key those switches will be expensive

[sly palm]

$2 per switch I heard

[warm pilot]

180 for a full build is crazy

[lyric nimbus]

i need to pay 220

[sly palm]

Debt cat bread

[tulip rapids]

cat bread card

[warm pilot]

This reminds me of the time i was in fortnite

https://tenor.com/view/holy-crap-im-in-fortnite-gif-21404640

[lyric nimbus]

wtf 130 for 30pc?????

[young viper]

Ah okay

[tropic urchin]

looks to be random ali express vendor taking advantage of the situation and setting whatever price they want with limited supply before their launch

[lyric nimbus]

ik there are 2 diamonds

what r the sound differences

[humble surge]

we dont know yet

i really like the Heart of the Oceans tho personally

[tropic urchin]

Sno said the Blue (POM version) is in between TTC horse and UFO sound, the white (Nylon -PA12) is more muffled and doesnt sound as good

[lyric nimbus]

so get blue

[tropic urchin]

yeah, I originally wanted the nylon stem, but that doesnt inspire me with much confidence with full housing being PC

[young viper]

I think the demos we're getting may be the pa12 version

[tropic urchin]

id probably just buy enough for 60% or 80% max

no way you're gonna fill full 2HE without spending something ungodly

[sly palm]

I would probably just get 60% and use other switches on the rest lol

[glacial wind]

I assume you guys will get both versions, like 4-5 of each or similar

[tropic urchin]

Full POM ahead

[sly palm]

I would think they get like either 4 of each or 8 of each
At least cuz they sending packs of 8 iirc

Did you get any?

[glacial wind]

I already had diamonds

I asked them to send more for western release though, so I can record a real sound test

[sly palm]

Oh I see, may I ask how many they gave you?

Also I would be interested in your opinion if you are allowed to say that

[glacial wind]

Gave me a sample of both. My experience will be different to you guys though because obviously I’m a rep for Wooting so I have different needs for testing them and also switch selector things

They’re public in China now so there’s no more limit on talking about them. They’re good switches

[sly palm]

Appreciate you jed

[fallen pecan]

i shared a chinese single key sound test last week, just look thru my media

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[sly palm]

Ohh thanks

[urban ingot]

Maybe I'll be able to afford 80 Diamond switches after I donate a kidney.

[fallen pecan]

not on there yet, latest is still the green agate flux

[deep swift]

So...I can get my keyboard to friction fit. I just cant have the edpm foam in the case? so weird

[sly palm]

Huh?

[deep swift]

My issue from earlier

[sly palm]

Oh you the friction fit but falls out of the case guy?

[deep swift]

Yeh

I mean its not a big deal lol. I just wanna find out why its doing that

[sly palm]

It stays better in without the foam?

That's really weird

[deep swift]

Yeah not sure why

[fluid ravine]

wait a elaborate rq

[sly palm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[fluid ravine]

woah wtf LOL

[deep swift]

Swapped to a CF plate. PCB would fall out.

Thought it was screws its not. Thought it was tape mod. Its not.
Tested case without edpm foam. frictions fit works

[sly palm]

[deep swift]

Tested with edpm. It falls out no matter what. with or w/o tape mod lol

Maybe i messed something up installing or something but so weird

[sly palm]

The foam was seated properly, right? At least it looked like it

[deep swift]

Yeh

[fluid ravine]

my guess

just my guess

oh wait nvm scrap my guess

[sly palm]

What was your guess

Tell me

[fluid ravine]

was gonna talk about plate circumference

how it might not be big enough

[sly palm]

Oh lol

[deep swift]

I could check lol. tho i dont think that would be the case

[sly palm]

Yea I don't think this would make sense cuz the plate isn't the thing holding it in place

[fluid ravine]

just guessing cus it might not be pushing out or filling up the space of the friction pad enough

[deep swift]

I might swap back the FR4 see if it works fine like b4. Could just be the plate.

Didnt happen til i installed it

[sly palm]

I am a little curious, does it stay in if you use the silicone layer?

[fluid ravine]

it kinda is on the top iirc

[sly palm]

This would be hilarious

[fluid ravine]

like the "wall" around the friction pad

[deep swift]

Let me try silicone lol

[fluid ravine]

it goes pass above the plate and pcb i think

[sly palm]

Oh I see

Didn't do much with my V2 yet just theories and idea collecting about future modding

[deep swift]

lol it stays in with silicone

[sly palm]

You gotta be kidding me

[deep swift]

Screw foam i guess

[sly palm]

Nah now I am curious if it stays in with the FR4

Maybe your foam is a little thick

[deep swift]

Was fine with FR4. But let me put it back and see

FR4 works fine

Maybe its just the CF plate

[analog reef]

umm.. damn. what??

that sure is one of the keyboard issues of all time

[fallen pecan]

flux single key soundtest, last 2 are the diamonds

alpha -> dc -> rgb -> pink lotus -> ocean whisper -> cullinan -> oceans heart

[chilly mural]

I like the heart

[regal patio]

Everytime you send a Chinese video showing of some switches I realize how far ahead china is compared to the rest of the world

[regal patio]

In terms of technology

[glacial wind]

I get the reverse. I get tilted by the soundtests as soon as I hear the ‘thocky’ tone that comes from phone or too close recording

[chilly mural]

I mean, being in the same land and factory lit like 1 shipping day away helps

[glacial wind]

China has a giant keyboard building scene though

With shops that build thousands of custom keyboards a month

can’t be done in western countries without that same population density plus cheap shipping

[regal patio]

True

In Poland I don't think there is a single custom keyboard shop

[bright sparrow]

I like the Cullinan and ocean heart.
The deep lower sounding thock sound form the cullinan gives happy brain chemicals

[glacial wind]

I think average Joe will like Cullinan best, enthusiasts will like ocean heart more

[regal patio]

Still the Cullinan is not as deep as the novas

[glacial wind]

yeah it won't be. different build plus nova are full split stem which already mutes the tone a lot

nova are same polar pro style split stem build which is a very muted kind of sound even before pa12

average joe preferences are always very different though, in that some of them don't care about sound clarity or don't even care about sound but care about volume

i dropped a new v2 off to some pro valorant players today and some actually preferred the old 60he sound because it was more muffled and quiet lol

i'm curious to see general public reaction to the omnitype heron when they come out, but I expect them to be popular with normal folk because it's clean but less loud than owlab ti he

[tender anchor]

yeah the sound vary a lot depending on how its recorded

[tender anchor]

Im seeing a trend where people look for muted-deep or even silent type of sound instead of clear clack, I think that UFO´s are the only switches that is liked by a huge majority of people

[tender anchor]

this has caught my attention, for me is quite the opposite the new v2 is more quiet than the old 60he where it sounded more like the razer blackwidow with the blue MX switches

[glacial wind]

The new v2 sounds overall better for sure. I think some of those pros just were used to the open bottom lekker sound so they need time to get used to it

[regal patio]

They are probably used to that awful sound

[glacial wind]

pros are very set on the gear they get used to lol

I replaced all the 80he plates we give to pros with fr4 because they are used to hard bottom outs with less flex

[undone sentinel]

My OW60 has some pretty bad issues out of the box—there’s a lot of weird noise and noticeable wobble. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

[glacial wind]

Did you lock it to the non wobble setting?

One mode is specifically made to wobble, so that’s why I’m asking

[undone sentinel]

Yeah, I did mention that the wobble and noise are abnormal.

And the aluminum parts of the case are bent.

[glacial wind]

Take a video and send it in a ticket if you think it’s abnormal and our tech support staff should be able to check for you

curious what aluminium parts are bent? That’s a new one I haven’t heard before

[undone sentinel]

I already sent it on Tuesday, but no one has responded to me so far.

[glacial wind]

oh then it's waiting time still. The tech support queue tends to be a bit longer than the general support queue

i'm not sure i see what the arrow is pointing out, but maybe the tech staff will be able to check better and have more questions for you

[undone sentinel]

Did you see that gap? It’s not straight.

The middle section is bulging up.

[glacial wind]

i don't really see it, but maybe it's the angle?

[undone sentinel]

Honestly, this has been bothering me for a week now. It’s completely unusable—even in locked mode, there’s still a lot of noise when typing, and no one has responded to me.

[glacial wind]

i had a look at the video and honestly I don't see it, but maybe the tech support staff will be able to give a better look and know what to look for

[glacial wind]

it's public holiday just fyi right now, so it may be until next week sometime to get a reply

[glacial wind]

heavily reduce support staff over easter weekend (and i believe taiwan has their own holiday right now too for some public holiday)

[glacial wind]

that's normal movement honestly. That's the entire 'feature' of that case

it may not be the case for you if you don't want that movement

the bouncing and movement is the entire unique feature of that case

[undone sentinel]

But it only happens on one side. Every time I press the backspace key, the entire keyboard starts wobbling and makes a loud noise.

[glacial wind]

even in the 'stiffer' mode there's a small amount of movement there which is because it's still a gasket

anyhow like i said you'll need to wait for tech support to reply as we can't do anything for you here and they're more qualified to help there

[undone sentinel]

Yeah, I understand. I’m just a bit frustrated.

[glacial wind]

i'm not support staff so nothing i can do for you, sorry

not ideal that it's big holiday right now either, so i think most of staff come back on tuesday

[chilly mural]

you making me wanna make my 80he plate being steel

[glacial wind]

I’m curious how the pro players would react to cf plate

[chilly mural]

If they win they'll love it, if they lose they either blame on skill issue or the plate being too stiff/not stiff enough

[glacial wind]

honestly they barely know anything about their gear

they almost never look at gear for performance issues

they usually notice difference but don't blame or think gear is why they are good/bad

[little glen]

The only people that gear maxx arent pros cause they need to cope that is the difference between them and the pros

[chilly mural]

A mark of a true pro

[broken notch]

As much as I love my UFOs

I think I might swap away due to not being able to lube them easily

[little glen]

Flux diamond 💎

[broken notch]

I'm getting 8 gifted for review purposes

So that'll be nice to test

[little glen]

I didnt sign up cause i didnt want to give all my data away for 8 switches only

[regal patio]

Who knows what china will do with it

[little glen]

I generally dont like giving my email or name

[broken notch]

That's totally fair

To each their own n.n

I'm thinking depending 9n the diamond review

Either a set of diamonds or a set of horsies

[regal patio]

I use a fake name and email address for almost everything online

[calm pulsar]

so you're not actually a chilling cat? 😔

[cloud crane]

Real opsec

[humble surge]

💎 for you

[broken notch]

Yay

[chilly mural]

<@&1098943457654997093>

[sacred elm]

"bro"

[chilly mural]

tank

[wispy wharf]

Hype for diamond review do we have a date?

[broken notch]

When I get them in the mail

Did you also sign up for a review copy package?

[wispy wharf]

No T^T

I have no audience lol

[broken notch]

Neither do I

I just signed up and got taken in

Getting 8 diamonds

To test

[unborn sierra]

hey guys sorry quick question will the keycaps and everything come preinstalled ? even on the split version?

[sacred elm]

You'll need to put keycaps yourself

ISO doesn't come with keycaps preinstalled

[unborn sierra]

is there a reason why this is the case?

[broken notch]

It just doesn't come preassembled

That's the reason

[sacred elm]

Too many language options

[unborn sierra]

ah ty, is it just the switches you'll need to install yourself or the whole board?

[sacred elm]

Just keycaps

Switches will be installed for you

[unborn sierra]

tysm

apprecaite the help

[trail bane]

Mid April?

[marsh knoll]

How long can HE switches last before lubing starts to wear etc? Asking about UFOs

Under normal use with work and some gaming

[quasi hinge]

Hi guys

Finally happened

#1332419975889289316 message

https://youtu.be/c3qBNo3PAjU?si=88UO9cDbVjv6KUUO

On amazon

Enjoy 🛸

[broken notch]

Why is this in this channel

[quasi hinge]

My build

[quasi hinge]

#1332419975889289316 message

It is my 80HE inspiration 🛸🖖

[broken notch]

Yeah but that's not even remotely keyboard related, it's a trailer to a show as far as I can tell?

[quasi hinge]

Here it is now

[polar girder]

lol if you’ve been around a while you know it’s related to a pretty cool keyboard project

[broken notch]

The project, absolutely cool and nice, for sure

But look at what I see

So you tell me if this seemingly fits in this channel

[calm pulsar]

tell me UFOs aren't discussed on this channel extensively

[quasi hinge]

Apologies for sharing my inspiration for my modestly modded 80HE keeb to which I again thank the wooting team for the opportunity to do so

[broken notch]

I am in no way needing an apoligy or anything the like. As I said your project is great

Just remove the embed next time, is all I was getting at

I genuinely could not gather what the post was about

Until you added extra info, jeez, people are making a way bigger deal out of this than necessary

[broken notch]

I know, I was one of the first?

[quasi hinge]

#1332419975889289316 message

Does link work for you?

[broken notch]

No

It says #unknown

[quasi hinge]

Hmmm

Moment

[calm pulsar]

it works for me if you click

and then it doesnt say unknown anymore

[broken notch]

And I'm using the default app too :(

[quasi hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1332419975889289316

You may need to scroll up lol

[broken notch]

The click works, but it still says unknown, weird discord behaviour

[quasi hinge]

Its the spooks keeping the good man Bob down lmao

[broken notch]

Please, I meant no disrespect to your beautiful project

[quasi hinge]

No worries at all, none taken, didnt mean to go random. As you can imagine I am a little excited…

[broken notch]

I bet!

[quasi hinge]

🛸🥳🛸

[broken notch]

It finally came together huh

[quasi hinge]

End game unless pcb breaks or they make an 80he with a slipt bar pcb

[chilly mural]

really hoping for 80he split

Either that or I cave for 60hev2

[broken notch]

I caved

Can't wait for my zoom64 to roll in the office

[quasi hinge]

I used my squadmates before sending it to him, its amazing but love the 80he form factor

[chilly mural]

same, 80he is just perfect size to usability

plus if you put em in a travel case it's about the same footprint

[quasi hinge]

Same for me personally

Who was the one who decided to remove the saluting frog pepe

F5

[sweet oak]

Crunch

[quasi hinge]

Did the interwebs make it bad?

[sweet oak]

I dont know the context of the question i just say crunch

[broken notch]

Crunch

[sly palm]

[quasi hinge]

I was just wondering why it was removed… my question was referring to the possibility it became political or represent something bad

[tulip rapids]

love your project man i know you been working hard on it for a long time

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-handshake-deal-agree-gif-7134721403924803840

[sweet oak]

?

Though i have this from another server

But it wouldnt be anything political if it was removed we still have a lot of pepes

[quasi hinge]

Cheers 🫡 ✌️

[quasi hinge]

Sad to see him go

[ionic breach]

oh yea wtf

i used it a lot rip

[lyric nimbus]

thats fucking awesome

[abstract island]

do shorter travel switches feel worse to anyone else

maybe im just too used to 4mm now

[lyric nimbus]

nah

[abstract island]

just feels like i am bottoming out too early

very noticeable when only a few of my keys are at 3.5mm

[tulip rapids]

dia dia dia

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-glass-diamond-gif-20760789

[cloud crane]

Full travel enjoyer 😋

[tropic urchin]

Sapphire go brrrrr

[tulip rapids]

dia dia dia

[tropic urchin]

Mia Mia Mia

Oh that’s right the one Gateron buyer isn’t here

[chilly mural]

Hmm, I wonder who

also, Diamomd is forever

[tropic urchin]

|| ||

[calm pulsar]

rhea rhea rhea

[sweet oak]

Shine bright like a

[sly palm]

DIAMONDDDDD🗣️

[queen magnet]

Hey guys there seems to be this like double click feeling when i bottom out the N key, doesnt happen with any of the other keys

Do you think i should change the switch or could it be to do with the keycap

[lyric nimbus]

sounds like a switch problem

[queen magnet]

I lost my switch puller but i got the one wooting sent

But it feels flimsy

[potent summit]

Are the holy 60 cases friction mounted

By the same friction mount with the optimum

Or are the new v2 friction mounts different

[regal patio]

They are basically the same

[tulip rapids]

"Attention everyone Diamonds will become the new switch super power in zaaa world" -Baredis

GLORY TO DIAMONDS

[chilly mural]

*this message is sponsored by Wuque Studio

[tropic urchin]

forgot the last *

[tropic urchin]

so you're saying i should be like every other hack with the 15% referral code in their bios

is what im sensing

[chilly mural]

yes

buy atk, use the code on my profile for %10 off on their website

[tropic urchin]

PLS BRO TRUSS BUY THIS ATK MOUSE ITS NOT A CLONE DONT YOU DARE BRING SUCH NEGATIVITY

alr bud

[calm pulsar]

life after getting diamonds
https://youtu.be/434rBX_G85o

[tropic urchin]

seems accurate

[tulip rapids]

a future full of diamondooooooo

[tropic urchin]

every dia needs their rhea after all

[chilly mural]

if only im not poor

[tulip rapids]

explosive joke

[tropic urchin]

explosive value

[tulip rapids]

both have equal suffering

[tropic urchin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/naruto-deidara

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-thinking-anime-naruto-gif-13593873

[queen magnet]

bro how do i take out the tikken switch

its so hard to take out

[regal patio]

Force

[tropic urchin]

if you're using wooting plastic puller id buy a new one

[wispy wharf]

Wire pullers my beloved

I had a dream I broke a plastic switch puller

WS sells titanium switch puller

[silent wadi]

omg gt80 finally here out of no where

finally building this

[tulip rapids]

ngl thought it said "finally balding"

😭

[wispy wharf]

I thought about that case but no foam

Unless I'm wrong?

[tulip rapids]

doesnt come with foam

[wispy wharf]

Crimes

[tulip rapids]

but you can use the foam that came with your wooting or just buy it separately

[wispy wharf]

But the USB cutout isn't in the right place

Guess I could cut my own but qol shit

[tulip rapids]

its in the middle of the case wdym

isnt the wooting 80he case in the middle too?

[calm pulsar]

stock iirc is on the left, but gt80 wires it to the middle

[tulip rapids]

youre right

i completely forgot since i didnt use that crap pcr case

felt like sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[calm pulsar]

real

[tulip rapids]

when i was trying to separate the case i just want to break that crap

needed to separate it for the daughter board

[wispy wharf]

I honestly don't get left vs center

I honestly don't care either way

As long as it's not coming out the side or front

[silent wadi]

dude how to remove stabilzer wire from the plastic housinmg

[sly palm]

imagine it's plugged in the front😭

sounds like hell

[calm pulsar]

bottom usb port would be fire

[trail bane]

Wooting x Apple Magic 80HE soon tm

[tulip rapids]

youtube it

they explain how

[cyan lark]

Imagine not modding your keyboard

@tropic urchin forgot to share this months ago - this is how Carter apologized for my opal cap stem cracking and needing replacement. Stand up fella.

[tulip rapids]

holy fent

[queen magnet]

How am i meant to pull this out 😭

I lost my metal puller

[tulip rapids]

ALRIGHT BOSS

first what you wanna do

make sure youre using the right side of the puller for switches

[queen magnet]

I am tho

[sly palm]

they are using the right side

[tulip rapids]

second thing is you want to make sure those switch puller clips are under the switch

in the little insert

then use all your strength including you momma to pinch both sides

and rip that bad boy out

like pulling teeth

[tulip rapids]

i just type it as a precaution

[sly palm]

nah you are trolling (jkjk)

[queen magnet]

Bro why is this taking so much strength

[tulip rapids]

bro

[queen magnet]

Wtf are these made out of

[tulip rapids]

real men never say "why is this difficult" they say " i need to become stronger"

[tulip rapids]

ARE WE NOT MEN???!???

[queen magnet]

If i damage the pcb

Thats ggs

[tulip rapids]

scream pull why taking it out

for extra strength buff

[tulip rapids]

you wont

but you could always unscrew the module from the case

and take the switches out

[cyan lark]

it is the last thing we have

[queen magnet]

Yk what thatd be better

[tulip rapids]

theres videos on wooting youtube channel

showing you how to do it if you need visual steps

[queen magnet]

Alr bet

[cyan lark]

Mr. Rogers said to look for the helpers. Proud of you, Goku.

[tulip rapids]

ty unc

[trail bane]

Gn

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/feednanyangi-nanyangi-luna-jaemin-luna-sleepy-nanyangi-sleepy-gif-1596089920556574778

[silent wadi]

why can i only get the spacebar stab in

ive been trying to get the other ones idk

[cyan lark]

There's two spacebar stabs, but they should all be about the same.

Are you orienting the stabs correctly?

Look for the bigger holes, which correlates with the initial insertion side

[silent wadi]

like putting the wire side in first?

[cyan lark]

Yeah, I believe the spacebar is in the opposite orientation as the rest of the stabs.

[silent wadi]

omg tysm

[past pelican]

anybody tried akko astrolinks or owlab ti?

[silent wadi]

first novas second kois

[sly palm]

GT80?

You've already assembled it?

[silent wadi]

yes

[silent wadi]

yes

[sly palm]

Where the pictures

[silent wadi]

lol only did a few keys to test stabs and compare novas and kois

i think im going with novas for now

ill show when done

[sly palm]

Gud

I am waiting

[tulip vortex]

hey just ordered the 60he v2 with the split space bar mod do we know of any places that are selling keycaps for this layout? or is there an alternative to changing out their caps

[tulip rapids]

depends if you want to spend money on premium keycaps

if not the wooting keycaps are more than enough tbh

[urban ingot]

There's options for split spacebar addons for keycap sets. You're going to be paying a pretty high price for them though.

[tulip vortex]

unfortunate but that’s on me for picking the split keyboard i doubt it’ll be a problem

[urban ingot]

If you don't care about blank keys, you can reuse shift and ctrl/windows/alt keys for the spacebar.

I know there are GMK and Keykobo sets with split spacebar addons specifically though.

Probably others as well. Most of my sets are GMK or Keykobo though. The other sets aren't sold anymore as Drop.com has poofed into Corsair.

[silent wadi]

uh oh why does my keyboard sound different in the miiddle

first one isnt near the middle second is

its only when i bottom out

[tulip vortex]

do you know if i could purchase something like this and fill the rest of the board with keys like normal

[silent wadi]

@young viper was it you who had the deadzone?

[young viper]

Ye

[silent wadi]

ilook at dis

how u fixed it?

[young viper]

One sec

[young viper]

Fucking Christ most aggressive key typing ever

[silent wadi]

dude thats how i type

[young viper]

It's cause by the standoffs on the plate. True fix is top mounting like some cases allow. What I've done with my board is put a extra standoff in the center on my cf plate to try and even out the sound

Keys like asd will sound higher pitched because they are near a standoff, while center keys such as gh will sound hollower

[silent wadi]

oh i see

how did u add an extra standoff?

[silent wadi]

do you know if its only on cf plates?

[young viper]

Cf and the pom plates from Toronto have a extra standoff cutout hole

[silent wadi]

ohhh

i was wondering what that was

dude am i gonna have to take out these novas 😭

they are never coming out

[silent wadi]

wait r u talking about 80 he or 60 he

cause i dont see anything

i was thinking about a different extra hole but its like no where near the middle

[young viper]

60

[silent wadi]

oh im using 80 he

[young viper]

I'm surprised you hear a deadzone on the 80

The deadzone is a combination of the standoffs in the case and plate

So when the 80 has virtually no case standoffs

[silent wadi]

so it might be something else

i am using gt80 though

if that makes a difference

also toronto keyboard man standoff things

[young viper]

Shouldn't make much of a difference, check the tightening of the plate to make sure it's all even, shouldn't be too tight

[silent wadi]

uh is it normal that when i screw one side of the standoff the other one moves with it?

[young viper]

Shouldn't be

[silent wadi]

if i use another screwdiver to hold it on the other side i can tight and loosen it and it looks like that was the issue

g and h sound normal now

[silent wadi]

omg i love wooting

[sly palm]

Ohhh it's pinkkkk

Prettyyyy

[silent wadi]

tank you :3

[regal patio]

Both have a similar top out, but the nova's have a muted and deeper bottom out

[fluid ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87ysqDCNYsk

@cloud crane

[regal patio]

That's he?

[fluid ravine]

nop

MX

[regal patio]

Ok

Thockson what's your favorite switch

[fluid ravine]

for HE?

[regal patio]

Yes

Like name a few

[fluid ravine]

I own Geon Raws, Duhuk Core, Flux, Tikkens, and Kois. Then there's my Frakenstein switch combo. The ones I like most so far is my Kois and Frakenstein combo.

[regal patio]

Okay

[cloud crane]

ZAMNNNN

I'm getting more mx switches in the mail

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

whatchu getting

[cloud crane]

Wingtree G-ONE, HMX Valerian, Keygeek Nylon (3.8mm ver of Keygeek PA)

[fluid ravine]

lmk when you get them

i curious

[cloud crane]

Should be end of this month if all goes well, coz sea shipping

[fluid ravine]

about the wingtree

[fluid ravine]

bet

[cloud crane]

🔥

I only have this shitty Keychron v1 to test on tho 😭

+84 is a few months away

[fluid ravine]

oh right

[fluid ravine]

UGHHHHHHHHHHH

[cloud crane]

[lyric nimbus]

thinking about it

foam is a lot like ketchup

[young viper]

Koi koi koi

https://tenor.com/view/fish-eating-fish-eating-from-spoon-feeding-fish-fish-food-yngqis-gif-20301545

[cloud crane]

Might get abs or pbt plate cut when +84 plate files get released

[broken notch]

Koi koi

[alpine lynx]

novas or kois

i feel like novas might be too tight for me, playing esports

[fallen pecan]

🛸

[fluid ravine]

WS Diamonds frfr

Go big or go home

[cloud crane]

[regal patio]

Nova's sound deeper if you are into that

[regal patio]

Koi's are a cheap, clacky switch

I don't think you can get them outside taobao

[young viper]

No longer can sadly

We bought the rest of the US ones lmao

[cloud crane]

Wait for the omnitype herons then

[alpine lynx]

but they really are the best of the best aye?

[regal patio]

There are lots of great switches right now

TTC horses, Keytok Novas, WS switch lineup

If you need something more budget friendly than there are UR ice ultras (R2), deep clack fluxes and regular fluxes

[regal patio]

There aren't any best for gaming switches yk

[glacial wind]

Best of the best isn’t really a thing since there’s so much preference like chillingcat mentioned

[regal patio]

Honestly most new gen switches are great for gaming

[glacial wind]

Go have a listen in our database with some decent iem or headphones and decide which one you like

[regal patio]

The wobble on the newer switches is greatly reduced

I would choose switches for sound

Not gaming performance

[regal patio]

Cuz it's basically the same

What are your favorite switches sno?

[glacial wind]

From performance aspect it’s actually more crucial for the keyboard to have an accurate switch reading via things like switch selector than the actual stability of switches these days

I’m on horses for now. I like the unique sound of them

[regal patio]

What about omnitype heron?

Do you know the pricing?

[glacial wind]

My only issue with horses is the lube could be a bit better, but i hand lubed mine anyway so no issues there

There’s no pricing yet as far as I know, I don’t expect them to be anything crazy though. Certainly not flux territory for the $2 craziness

[regal patio]

1$ per switch?

[glacial wind]

Heron I think are my favourite regular non walled mx style stem switches

[glacial wind]

No idea, I don’t think they’ve nailed down final pricing yet

[regal patio]

So they are similar to owlab TI's?

[regal patio]

Ok

[glacial wind]

stability wise yeah. Similar to owlab ti he but I think the sound tone is better for average joe

Owlab ti he have a clean but loud sound and heron are a clean but more tame tone

There have been several people that got owlab and found them too loud, I think heron fixes that for them

Especially since it’s coming from omnitype which is a trusted well known brand, I fully expect herons to be very popular among enthusiast

[regal patio]

Great

How are Urion Ice Ultra R2 different than the original ice ultra's?

Also what are your thoughts on the six realm switch?

[glacial wind]

r2 ultra is just ultra but dual diffuser and slightly different magnet

i assume they'll phase out the old ultras anyway and eventually just r2 will be left

six realms is great. I think it's my budget pick right now for stability

[regal patio]

The silent six realms sound (or don't sound) great

[glacial wind]

yeah silent version is the best normal build silent switch i think

although if i were going silent i think the xvx/tecsee ones are more fun since if it's silent i don't care about accuracy anymore anyway

the semi topre like feel is fun

[candid bramble]

I saw them on taobao kinda want to get a set

[alpine lynx]

is urion ur studio?

[sacred elm]

yes

[past pelican]

Hi guys! Anybody having experience with akko astrolinks or owlab ti's on 60hev2?

[glacial wind]

they rebranded to that in china yeah

[regal patio]

I feel like akko astrolinks are kinda outdated

[regal patio]

The owlab TI's are a decent budget switch

[sacred elm]

I mean if owlabs are decent, astrolinks are good too if they care about stem wobble

It's not outdated. Astrolink/Raptor v2 is the only normal MX stem switch with S tier wobble

[past pelican]

what do you mean outdated?

[past pelican]

So wobble on astrolinks is less present than owlab ti's?

[sacred elm]

yes

[regal patio]

From what I heard they have a chattery sound

[past pelican]

hmm ok, what im prioritizing is stability and typing feel. I want something vivid but can't decide between the two. Apparently these two are some of the best budget options in the market rn

[sacred elm]

Astrolink isn't the best feeling switch tho, because of the tightness

[past pelican]

have you tried the owlabs?

[sacred elm]

Yea, I have few of them. They feel better but the stem wobble is worse

How much are Fluxes for you on aliexpress?

[past pelican]

oh wow. Almost every review i read says that owlabs have better stem wobble. Was looking for the 50g since it can add some typing feel to it.

Fluxes sell for 40 EUR per 61 switches. What are those tho?

[sacred elm]

They're very popular switches currently. Almost no stem wobble with good feel and sound

#🪛│modding_faq message

[past pelican]

Great thanks. Do you have a personal experience on them?

[sacred elm]

Yes, I like them. Used them for almost a year

Stable and smooth

[past pelican]

what are you currently rocking?

[sacred elm]

UFO

But I think overall Fluxes are better switches. UFOs aren't as smooth and you can't open them to lube

[past pelican]

They are also quite expensive. Regarding the flux, is there a drum version and a normal version or sth? Ali has 2 listings one says drum version and one not

[sacred elm]

what is drum version, can you screenshot?

[past pelican]

sorry wrong screenshot

[shadow jolt]

how do they compare to the ufo?

[cloud crane]

Probably a direct translation of the CN name of ws flux deep clacky

[queen magnet]

Yo are there any good switches that makes the stock wooting 60he v2 sound creamy or thocky

[sacred elm]

https://link.wooting.io/soundtests

[glacial wind]

Xffero wins the skirmish for side selection on his new modded wooting 80he with fr4 plate and tikkens. Coincidence? Of course not.

[regal patio]

Keytok Novas are your best bet

[sacred elm]

Not sure what they mean by drum but it's probably some translation thing. There should be white and pink Flux listings. White is loud and sharp, pink version sounds deeper in comparison. Both have identical stem wobble and feel. You can compare them in the database, link is above

[regal patio]

They sound really good

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[past pelican]

Many Many thanks

[regal patio]

The Build is:
The stock alu wooting case
Wooting 60 he V2 module
Dye sub cherry profile keycaps
Keytok nova switches
EPDM foam
2 layer tape mod
Stock lubed stabs
POM plate

[queen magnet]

Is it cheapest to buy from aliexpress

[regal patio]

No

[queen magnet]

Whats the best site to buy them from

[regal patio]

You have to buy them from Toronto KeyboardMan or keytok themselves

120$ per 90 or something

*117$ per 90

[queen magnet]

Shitt so i need to pay like 80$ for 60 ish

Thats expensive

[cloud crane]

The chinese name of WS Flux Deep Clacky is 八宝轴鼓动版, so "drum" is a result of direct machine translation

[regal patio]

Nvm keytok raised the price

It's now 125$ per 90 switches

And 97$ per 70 switches

[queen magnet]

Ggs

[regal patio]

I bought them for like 20$ cheaper than normal

So they were a good deal

Woah

The code still works

-20%

So thats like 1$ per switch

Also you can get a 10% off by giving them an email address

[past pelican]

now the question on the wuque fluxes is clacky or deep clacky? both sound good

[queen magnet]

not too bad ngl

so in pounds 60$ is like 50

[little glen]

If you are unsure, deep clacky is more likely to be pleasant to most people

[past pelican]

That's what I thought, its a safer choice

[regal patio]

The normal fluxes have a very sharp sound

[sacred elm]

For me white Flux sounds cleaner, but both are good

[uneven cradle]

$1 a switch is still too damn high

[little glen]

I‘d also just say, compare the prices and see which is cheaper

[regal patio]

Still that's a better deal

[glossy pagoda]

Back in my day, we got our switches from the nearest tree and it cost nothing

[past pelican]

you mean the clacky, not deep clacky right?

[sacred elm]

yes clacky

If you use PC plate, clacky version is nice on it

[uneven cradle]

so true, not sure why some of these HE switches get so expensive compared to the custom MX switch world

[cloud crane]

Half is mold, half is gamer tax

[uneven cradle]

I guess you can't advertise performance improvements on an MX switch like they do for these HE switches

[past pelican]

I have the 60hev2, is it pc or fr? 😛

[regal patio]

FR4

[regal patio]

Toronto KeyboardMan has the novas for 108$ per 90

[sacred elm]

FR4. On the v2 I think you'll like deep clacky more

[chilly mural]

at least it gives the manu more rnd money to make more outrageous switches

[broken notch]

Do you have a link?

[silent wadi]

better pic from my phone

[untold summit]

Why is nobody speaking about those switches?

I tried leobog reaper on aula f75 pro (mechanical) and they were better than any HE switch than I tried, and I've tried cca 10 sorts

Maybe these are solution for me x), but literally 0 reddit posts about them or anywhere else

[regal patio]

I used a discount code

[sacred elm]

Better how? and which switches have you tried?

[regal patio]

You can get the keytok nova's 100.8$ per 90 or on Toronto KeyboardMan website for 102$ per 90

With discount a discount code

[silent wadi]

koi v2

[regal patio]

What materials is the switch made from?

[fallen pecan]

These are ass, loosest switch I’ve ever tried

Heck, i have 4 of their entire emperor series

[past pelican]

Hi! Interested in these switches, do you like them? How are they compared to the lekker tikkens?

[candid bramble]

leobog switches always been meh

even their mx switches is kinda whatever

[untold summit]

Better like feel, sound and smoothess (I speak about arrows only, I play a snake game with arrows only and every switch is different in perfomance :D)
I have tried wuque flux deep clack, jade gaming and pros, phylina thunderflash pink and white, MMD C1, lekker tikkens, owlab ti , UR ice extreme, HAIMU silent, duhuk herz, akko flash, MMD c1, TTC Uranus

[untold summit]

Wdym

[untold summit]

Idk hah x)

[sacred elm]

You probably prefer 30g initial force

[untold summit]

Really hahah, and they so expensive..

[untold summit]

Yes, surely, they sent me owlab Ti 50g accidentally, I ordered 40 g, and these were the worst of all the other I tried x)
I wanted to stay with duhuk herc and not change anything anymore because I am addicted to tryin af.. but sometimes when I press key 1MM my snake goes like whole turn like i pressed whole key for 2 sec, so I need to try some new ones😂, or at the round start my snake moves without me pressing sometimes, I guess that is called ghost input.. I experienced that only on these duhuk herc and ur ice xd

And I accidentally ordered UR ice extreme while I wanted ultra, but Idk if I should order ultras then

[candid bramble]

yea you just like ligher switches i think'

[untold summit]

Definitely, I spam arrows all the time

[polar gazelle]

3 v2 and 1 he

And another one is coming

[pastel spoke]

ooo, that bottom one is sick af!!!

[regal patio]

What switches are you rocking

[regal patio]

The bottom one is sick

I love how the straps, cases and keycaps are matched

You probably have matching RGB for them too

[fallen pecan]

flydigi's new HE implementation with dual hall sensors

diagram at 0:21, animation at 0:52

[chilly mural]

Based on the diagram, I guess it makes the sensing more accurate by having 2 or 4 that it can compare against thus allowing like 0.0001 rt

WASD has 4 hall sensor

Also seems like it has split space support

[chilly mural]

If I want to guess, the layout will be. Split space, 6.25u, 7u, split shift on both. Iso enter, normal enter, stepped caps, split backspace.

Prop the same as rakka

[polar gazelle]

Different some gateron jade air
And gateron jade pro
And some tikken switches

[chilly mural]

@robust siren rakka's rival

[robust siren]

eh?

[chilly mural]

But only 1 known compatible switch lmao

[chilly mural]

Scroll up

[robust siren]

oh

yeah the pcb is really similar looking

[regal patio]

Maybe try some newer switches

[little glen]

4 of the same keyboard and not even a split 🥀

What‘s even the point

[regal patio]

Split sucks honestly

[wispy wharf]

so i put an aliexpress mod kit in my 80he

it sounds much better but i am wondering if i should put in the under-switch pet film?

[tulip rapids]

what palte are you using

[wispy wharf]

not sure what this will do. i have the film between the case bottom and case foam

pc

might get a pom plate at some point

[tulip rapids]

nice

[wispy wharf]

it is significantly thockier but still like part clack part thock

i want as much thock as possible and not sure if the under-switch pet will do this or just add more pop

what is the experience of people here?

[tulip rapids]

what switches are you using

tikkens?

[wispy wharf]

yes but i am swapping them out fur flux dc soon

maybe the diamonds down the road if they turn out to be good

damn this poron sandwich foam adds so much consistency to the board

i probably will not add the extra tape mod film because i am not partial to particularly poppy sound

but i am wondering if putting the one for the top side of the pcb does the opposite thing

[urban ingot]

I added the PET film when I did my plate. It seemed to mute the sound more than make it thocky.

[wispy wharf]

the one that goes under the switches?

[urban ingot]

Yeah

[wispy wharf]

ok that is still something that i will probably like

i will try it thank you

and it won't reduce accuracy?

[urban ingot]

I don't have an issue. I know there's an issue if you use foam under the switches, so I didn't even try.

[robust siren]

no but the foam one does

[regal patio]

Keytok nova switches are the deepest sounding switches right now

[urban ingot]

Probably why they're my favorite.

[regal patio]

They sound amazing

[urban ingot]

They really do. I liked them so much that I bought another set of them. I originally bought 90 of them from Keytok directly. Then I bought 84 from Keybay (which I believe is the same company as Torontoman, but a little cheaper).

[regal patio]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[urban ingot]

Keybay sells them in sets of 61 and 84. Except I bought them for my split, so I needed 63 and forgot about the 6 extra I had from my original 90 switch purchase.

[regal patio]

My sound test of the keytok nova switches

[urban ingot]

84 for $90 US isn't bad price where as most other places is like 10 for $12.

[regal patio]

True

[wispy wharf]

ok the pet switch film has made this sound basically thocky and i like that

i am satisfied with the pitch of the tikkens i assume the flux dc are a little deeper pitch? at least if the sound test database is anything to go by

i think 3.4mm travel is a little too short for me otherwise i would get the nova

[urban ingot]

The Flux DC are 3.5mm.

[wispy wharf]

yeah i think that's as low as i am willing to go

which is fine because that still leaves me with lots of options

[urban ingot]

There isn't a noticable difference.

[wispy wharf]

really?

hmm

how is the lubing on the novas?

[urban ingot]

Really good

[wispy wharf]

as good as the fluxes?

[urban ingot]

About the same.

If you really like pink though, the Flux DC give the RGB a pink hue.

[wispy wharf]

hmm

what about the tnt off studio?

[urban ingot]

I don't know what that is

[wispy wharf]

they are really quiet

sorry

the six realms

i was reading the wrong column

[urban ingot]

I don't know. I don't have any experience with them.

[wispy wharf]

they are cheap

$50 for 90 on aliexpress

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256811652728648.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

i heard silent switches can reduce accuracy though

[urban ingot]

These are the switches I have that I’m not using. Owlab Ti, GEON RAW, Flux DC and a crap ton of Tikken.

[wispy wharf]

you swapped out for nova?

[urban ingot]

I have Nova in 2 of my keyboards and the UFO in another. My TenZ is stock other than the case.

[tulip vortex]

if i bought something like this set and just used any other set of regular keycaps would i be able to put them on the 60he v2 split spacebar

[urban ingot]

You need a 1.25u for the small middle space bar key.

I think the others are 2.25u and 2.75u, but I may be mistaken. Those aren't the ones that are hard to find.

[young viper]

Less than a dollar a switch

[past pelican]

can you give me some feedback on the owlab ti's?

[wispy wharf]

I am wondering how the diamonds compare to the deep clackys for anyone who got review switches

[past pelican]

can't really decide between owlab ti's and fluxes deep clackys. Both sound equally good, im prioratizing minimal wobble tho

[tropic urchin]

Depends on which variant you’re after, I’d imagine POM being similar to OG Flux/slightly less harsh and nylon PA12 so far Sno has said makes it slightly dead sounding so we shall see once they ship out

[sacred elm]

If you want minimal wobble get Flux

[tropic urchin]

Gonna depend on how much you dislike bottom wobble

If you don’t care then owlabs are fine

[wispy wharf]

Dead sounding?

[sacred elm]

muffled sound

[tropic urchin]

Too muted

[trail bane]

Flux supremacy, hell yeah baby

[tropic urchin]

I haven’t heard them yet but I’m prob going Pom variant

[wispy wharf]

Nova is muted and I like that sound

[tulip rapids]

dia dia dia

[wispy wharf]

But less harsh and deep might be good

[tropic urchin]

If you want to go full muted nylon would prob be good to go for

Sno is being stingy with sound tests

[wispy wharf]

Heck

[tropic urchin]

Very selfish

[sacred elm]

Nova will still sound deeper than Diamond, because of PA12 bottom

[past pelican]

This got me cancelling my fluxes aliexpress order instantly

[wispy wharf]

I thought you said there was a pa12 diamond

[tropic urchin]

Who wrote that lmao

[sacred elm]

That's some bs :D

[tulip rapids]

chatgpt?

[wispy wharf]

Theremingoat

[sacred elm]

Flux bottom wobble is as low as it can be

[tropic urchin]

They sound kinda clueless

[tulip rapids]

fr

[past pelican]

What about top wobble tho?

[tropic urchin]

Nobody has gotten good S/S stability without some issue due to tightness

[quick finch]

Fluxes are measurably not that stable fyi, but you didn't hear that from me

[tropic urchin]

Box stem switches typically have good but not max top stability, you’re getting better bottom generally

[wispy wharf]

Why he switch so wobbly

[quick finch]

From the perspective of signal I guess, feeling is not really measurable

[sacred elm]

They're not?

[past pelican]

Out of the two, owlab ti's and fluxes, which one is more stable? if anyone here have tried them both

[wispy wharf]

Could that be due to the big ass magnet?

[past pelican]

All the gpt models lean towards owlab ti's

[wispy wharf]

Fluxes

[tropic urchin]

If you trust AI, you’re gonna get Jade pros 🔥

[wispy wharf]

But owlab are cheap now

[tulip rapids]

then buy those loud owlabs

[glossy pagoda]

https://stopcitingai.com/

[wispy wharf]

Jailprison

[tropic urchin]

They’ve always been cheap what the helly

[wispy wharf]

I mean compared to fluxes

[past pelican]

fluxes price = owlab ti price on ali

[wispy wharf]

Which are still like 75c a switch

Ti are 75c a switch?

I thought they were cheaper

[tulip rapids]

i asked chatgpt and it said you should come up with your own conclusion instead of relying on AI

[past pelican]

70pcs sell for around 36 EUR on ali currently

[wispy wharf]

That's so much cheaper than fluxes

I can't find UFO under a dollar per

[past pelican]

i mean its not their opinion, its what they research on the web and come up with the results so technically, its ppl's opinions hehe

[quick finch]

I am on my phone rn so I can't check

[wispy wharf]

I wonder if anyone else besides typeplus will make fundamentally different stabilizer designs

[tulip rapids]

was that your reply or chatgpt?

[past pelican]

if it was chat you would have seen -

[tulip rapids]

then why bother asking questions if you're going to turn around and say "ermmmm but chatgpt said this "

[past pelican]

to see what counterarguments exist

[glossy pagoda]

This is a categorical misunderstanding of how LLM's work

[tulip rapids]

you know what i dont care

buy the owlabs dude

enjoy

[past pelican]

dont take it personally

[tulip rapids]

I'm not. Just a brain dead argument

[past pelican]

sure

[chilly mural]

Actually even if the result is true, the AI will still have its own biases. Plus it still has to go through random number generator to rephrase the answer and that can change the answer still.

[sacred elm]

Most of us told you Fluxes have less wobble so not sure what else you want

Get Owlabs I guess

Theremin's review is good but his physical wobble rating is questionable

[tropic urchin]

“Due to the sheer amount of features it has to be better!”

[glacial wind]

The problem with using AI for any keyboard switch stuff is your sample data AI is trained on is literally just a handful of random blogs/youtube videos

there isn't really much information for it to get a wide view, so it forms it's conclusions on literally 1-3 blogs it reads

[tropic urchin]

It’s actually fed with milktooth’s video library

For the best results money can buy

[glacial wind]

it's quite eye opening if you use an AI that shows you it's sources, click on the sources and you quickly find it the sources are awful

[glossy pagoda]

I think it's fair to note that the Owlab TI HEs are not a bad switch by any means, there's just other options in the same price range that are better in different ways

[tropic urchin]

They’re unremarkable aside from price

[past pelican]

grok does this

[chilly mural]

So like a random number generator, on top of potentially biased review, on top of biased search due to SEO

[candid bramble]

Still waiting for AE raed restock at keebz and Cable

I need my raed

[calm pulsar]

not to mention some of the terms like "thocky" and "clacky" are so subjective and I doubt most people even know what that really means and have the same idea as others

[glacial wind]

diogo opened a whole can of worms by discussing signal stability too, because that's a whole different deal requiring things like magnet tolerances on top of physical stability and how 'squishy' the switches are at the bottom

so you can basically ignore that unless you have the $3k wooting machine and all the switches to check against + a few days of work to go through it all

[quick finch]

Yeah I tried to clarify after that I was talking about signal and not feeling

[candid bramble]

Owlab ti is kinda mid aside from their price

[chilly mural]

Tbf, if it's not worst than tikken, it's basically good enough for 99.99% of people

[glacial wind]

the bottom line is AI is awful for any of the advice you're looking for, and I say this as someone whose website is literally cited by a lot of the AI and ranked 1 on google for some of the search terms

[candid bramble]

Asking advice on hobby is kinda shit

Anyway gn keyboard world

[glacial wind]

no one is making 'he keyboard switch' content outside of a handful of hobby people so there's nothing for the Ai to learn

[glossy pagoda]

The work the firmware devs are doing on signal for the gambit of different switches is a massive technical competitive advantage we have, I look forward to when the general public catches on to this