🔧│keyboard_modding

[robust siren]

i think ill just wait for rich mcgee to come home from his dorm during thanksgiving break…

[tidal frigate]

Well if you can wait few months why not

[sacred elm]

Tired of reading all this, move to DMs

[robust siren]

sorry

[tidal frigate]

Oh I blocked shafie, what he said

[glacial wind]

man the sticky rice v1 does not sound good at all. How did influencers convince people this was a good sounding switch

i'm doing some stability testing today and i can't help but notice how bad the stickyrice v1 sound lol

[tidal frigate]

Because only other choice was gateron jade

[calm pulsar]

they are "influencers" for a reason

[glacial wind]

even vs jade these don't sound good

[robust siren]

move your unethical tactics to dms

[tidal frigate]

They are completly ethical, do you want move into dms?

[calm pulsar]

yes please

[robust siren]

anyways i already confirmed with a friend, and of this convo

[tidal frigate]

[sacred elm]

"I blocked shafie"
I blocked you first, because of the nonsense you're typing 99% of the time, keep this channel about keyboard modding

[robust siren]

anyways gt60 and lilac keycaps 👀

[tidal frigate]

Gt60?

[glacial wind]

These genuinely just sound bad. Herz first, then stickyrice v1

[robust siren]

kbdfans

[tidal frigate]

It sounds better to me

More deep

[glacial wind]

Just sounds chattery and you get box stem sound

[tidal frigate]

Isint it knockoff venomhe

[tidal frigate]

Cant hear chatter

[robust siren]

no it’s a case

[tidal frigate]

Oooh

You know gt60 is also pcb

[glacial wind]

You can’t hear the muffly wobble on the upstroke?

[robust siren]

the prebuilt

[glacial wind]

just sound very unclean sounding

[tidal frigate]

Dosent hear it

[robust siren]

the brass accent is in stock for the gt60 kit but not on it own or just the case

https://tenor.com/view/sus-suspicious-sus-cat-suspicious-cat-cat-gif-15637575443049614039

[glacial wind]

well now i just can't trust jakubix opinions on switches as well

[tidal frigate]

Well i can hear diffrence between both switches in sound

Can you give lekker v2 as reference

[robust siren]

there is something off about the stickyrice

[glacial wind]

out of all the split stems the sparks still win for sound

[tidal frigate]

@robust siren check dm

[glacial wind]

pity about the magnet

[calm pulsar]

they have an issue with magnets?

[glacial wind]

yeah a bit too weak, so it takes a long time for auto calibration to 'fix' them

needs switch selector to fix the range issue

[calm pulsar]

damn we're like in a video game where there's pros and cons balancing to HE switches

can't get one that is perfect

[glacial wind]

if average switch is say 1500-1800 on typical bottom out reading, sparks are like 1200

but they do sound better than both the drunkdeer qian split and the polar pro split

raesha did at least try to lube the qian split better than polar pro though

they put lube in between the split area, so the qians are like hand lubed polar pros. Still sound not as good, but better than non hand lubed polar pros

These Freya silent are quite good for silent switch though

Herz vs freya

[sacred elm]

Barely any wobble tf

[glacial wind]

They’re walled stem. So it’s like taking latest gen box stems and throwing silent dampeners on them

[fluid ravine]

ew

im sorry but ew 😭

[tidal frigate]

Freya is kinda muted

[glacial wind]

Well yes you’d expect that for a silent switch…

[glacial wind]

i'm just in awe that influencers were promoting it as a good option

[fluid ravine]

who the helly

;-;

[glacial wind]

they were the original 'omg these switches thock' switch back in the day

[fluid ravine]

thock my assssss

[calm pulsar]

thock my assssss (c) Thockson 2025

[untold wigeon]

are ttc pom magnetos still the best switch ? how are raptor v2s ?

[sacred elm]

There's no best switch, it's all preference.
Raptor v2s are fine, but some can develop spring crunch after extended use.

[tidal frigate]

Umm.. sno

[uneven cradle]

Can blame this one for that https://youtu.be/Q72vXG8V9Fg

[calm pulsar]

I remember watching that and thinking wtf

[glacial wind]

oh those are the v2 to be fair, so they might be a little better

there's like 50 sticky rice switches to confuse people even more

honestly the thing that annoys me about milktooth is they make up switch specs sometimes

i'll be trying to look up materials, then find the milktooth listing and it's just made up materials because i know the fully clear rgb switch isn't full pom like they listed

[glacial wind]

Geon staff just replied, they added freya silent to the store now as well: https://geon.works/products/ndiy-freya-silent-he-switch

uh oh. testing it now, magnet might be a bit weak

it's just barely able to crossover to hit the compensation but magnet is a little weaker than ideal

it does the jump at the end

[sacred elm]

Initial force: 25gf

[sacred elm]

Is this v2 or 80HE

[glacial wind]

60he+, i usually do tests on the older one to make sure it's compatible even with v1

i'll throw it in 80he next to see

so good news is it is able to hit 4mm every time, so it's a touch more powerful than spark at least

and after calibration works fine, but yeah would be nicer if the magnet was a touch stronger to calibrate more instantly

okay good news is 60v2 and 80he calibrate it much faster

so switch overall still fine, not as much of an issue as sparks being below even the compensation

think i still have to mark them as semi-compatible and not fully though, because the barely strong enough magnet + silencing dampeners making bottom out even less accurate going to make calibration take some time for some units

will definitely be a switch that benefits from switch selector later

[calm pulsar]

probably due to higher scanrate

[glacial wind]

i hope the outemu coming to me soon have stronger magnet

the listing says so

[sacred elm]

lol, how many switches will be available in the switch selector atp

[uncut basin]

yo man it came in today and i do not think this was the move

the stabs don’t fit

unless i just don’t understand how to build this thing

but there’s no manual which is pretty annoying

[trail bane]

Amen

[sacred elm]

Have you seen this video?

https://youtu.be/F7SGfbzkWOw?si=Ut9Q3cKIQO6KkCUg

[uncut basin]

i’m watching that currently

[trail bane]

@vivid jasper

[uncut basin]

the plate they’re using is different though

and my stabs don’t fit

how is this supposed to fit?

i think i just got recommended the wrong plate because they thought i had a 60he+ not a regular

[trail bane]

W/L comparing to Haimu silents?

[sacred elm]

Hmm, your plate seems to be for screw-in stabilizers only. The one in the video is different

[uncut basin]

do i have to buy a new plate now? or can i use my pc plate

[uncut basin]

yeah i know. but the person helping me here told me to specifically get that one

[glacial wind]

they're just overall better than the haimu snow/mathew silent in every way. Only issue would be the magnet is on weak side so calibration takes a bit longer

although honestly I would assume someone willing to use silent dampened switches with giant inaccurate zones at the top/bottom is already not that bothered by that issue

[sacred elm]

I don't think you can use stock PC plate, you can't mount it in the GT-60 afaik.

[uncut basin]

stock?

it didn’t come with my kb i bought it from wooting later

[sacred elm]

Yeah, I meant that

[uncut basin]

ah

so no options besides buying a new plate?

i can’t go out and buy some stabs right?

[sacred elm]

If you have 60HE non plus, no, you can't. Unfortunately.

[uncut basin]

i’m in japan so returning is a hassle so i’m gonna be down probably 30 dollars

can i just not use a plate? or is that required

[sacred elm]

You chose PCB mount here?

I'd contact KBDfans, they should be able to help you tbh.

[uncut basin]

yes

[uncut basin]

alright will do. thank you

[sacred elm]

They have a live chat, ask them if you can buy GT-60 plate mount compatible plate separately

[glacial wind]

yeah i assume they'd be able to send you a plate mount compatible plate as a single thing

[uncut basin]

yeah i could for 15 plus shipping

[sacred elm]

Yeah, not sure why they told you to get PCB mount plate

[uncut basin]

i’ll just do that and take my loss. should’ve done my own research

while i’m at it, do i want the silicone gasket?

people here said top mount is better so i think im gonna do that

okay so turns out i already ordered that and they forgot to put it in

string of bad luck w this case haha

[sacred elm]

Will they send you a plate?

[uncut basin]

should i ask? i was gonna just buy another plate cause it’s not like they shipped me the wrong one

they just didn’t include the silicone gasket

[sacred elm]

Yeah, tell them that silicone gasket wasn't included and your plate isn't compatible with the 60HE, maybe they will send it for free 🤷‍♂️

[uncut basin]

i appreciate your help i’ll go do that

[uncut basin]

oh man i forgot i paid 20 bucks more cause of customs

this mistake cost me hella that’s unfortunate

[tepid plume]

Are these inaccuracies an emergent property of silent switches or just for these particular switches?

[chilly mural]

silent switches generally, kinda hjard to calibrate when the bottom out distance can change based on how hard you press your switch

[glacial wind]

yep, like shot said, silent switches usually have bouncy stems dampeners which cause a ton of inaccuracy at the top and bottom

now that i'm reevaluating a lot of these switches for both top and bottom wobble instead of combined, it's interesting that top wobble is where a lot of these cheapie switches fail

like the old sticky rice v1, bottom wobble is actually great, but that top wobble is god awful

same with mathew silent. It's got s level bottom wobble, but c level top wobble

explains why there's so much top chatter with these switches

[random dagger]

did anyone try the mathew silents? i am tempted to get my old 2he to office but am scared about the switches being to loud

[fresh kayak]

Hey all, I've recently received everything to build my first 80HE.
Zinc alloy case with module,
Foam and white FR4 plate,
ISO UK PBT key caps (which took a lot of searching to find),
Jade Pro switches

Just before starting to put it together, I went down the rabbit hole reading about a few bits and found a few people that have found with the 3.5mm travel ofnthe Jade Pro switches (compared to the Lekkers' 4mm travel), i can cause the space bar to stick up at either end if not pushed in the centre.

This seems to have been fixed by fitting TX AP stabs.

Just wondered if anyone else has encountered this issue with the Jade Pro switches with the 80HE before I put it all together and possibly have to take it apart again.

[glossy pagoda]

Most likely you'll be fine. It's only something that occasionally happens, particularly with "low quality" keycaps
Low quality in this context is defined as the adherence to specification; if the spacebar keycap isn't made correctly, it might wobble in that way

[sacred elm]

That issue is very rare, happens if you have very cheap keycaps.

[fresh kayak]

Thanks both. Appreciate the fast replies. If it helps, I've ordered these keycaps:

https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/pbt-backlit-c22gf301

[sacred elm]

If you have this keycap wobble issue, you can get Geon Stem Spacers. No need to swap stock stabilizers.

https://geon.works/products/geon-stem-spacer

[fresh kayak]

Thanks very much!

[random dagger]

it looks like a small amongus

[fresh kayak]

Do the standard stabs need any lubrication or are they good to go?

[sacred elm]

Factory lube can be inconsistent, you might need to relube them.

[random dagger]

speaking of stabs, which stabs i should get for my 80he soon mounting raptor v2 switches

[sacred elm]

Stock 👍

[fresh kayak]

205g0 for the stabs?

[sacred elm]

You can use 205g0 for everything, or Molykote EM-50L for the wire, but it's not necessary imo.

[fresh kayak]

Thanks again. Really appreciate the advice.

[random dagger]

i relubed the stock stabs and they still feel off for me

[sacred elm]

They're probably not balanced properly.

https://youtu.be/vxHb6CJc9V8

[glacial wind]

Yeah. They’re very mediocre and scratchy but they are silent

If it’s for office use I’d get the new freya switches instead. Their magnet is a little weak so calibration takes a bit longer, but they’re a way better overall switch

Man some of these switches just have mild tolerance differences between units of the same batch that show up more on top wobble. Rating top wobble is actually annoying cause of it

[lilac edge]

I recently got the raw L50s and I was wondering why they felt so heavy to tap on? I was using the L60 + L45 lekker switches before but the Raw L50s feel too heavy to be called L50

[sacred elm]

They shouldn't feel so heavy, Geon Raws are between L45 and L60 in terms of weight.
L45: 30g initial / 45g bottom out
Raws : 36g initial / 50g bottom out
L60: 40g initial / 60g bottom out

You can spring swap them with L45 if you want lighter springs.

[terse mirage]

whats some new swtiches i could buy for my wooting and some goated keycaps?

[tawdry tree]

If you’re using the ones in the bag on the right, those aren’t V1s, they’re the Glutinous Rice/Hejin ones (same as Deng Gods and Lucifers). V1 was open bottom and V2 closed bottom, both by Haimu.

[sacred elm]

If sound is your priority

[tawdry tree]

The actual V1s and V2s don’t sound that bad tbh. V2s are way too fucking loud for my taste but not bad.

[terse mirage]

whats the best price to performance?

[tropic urchin]

Love me some sinful rice

[sacred elm]

They're all cheap and have same performance. Just depends on your sound preference, if you like loud clack get Duhuk Herz/Owlab Ti (They're basically the same), if you like deeper sound get UR Ice Ultra, or wait for new Lekker Tikken switches.

[terse mirage]

when do the Tikken come out?

[sacred elm]

Q4

October/November most likely.

[tropic urchin]

Raptors would probably have the runaway pick if not for the spring crunch

[chilly mural]

mmm, 3 more months before we get more news about knob

or more

[sacred elm]

Absolutely shocking.

[tropic urchin]

Oh no anyway

[tropic urchin]

Not coming out til 2027 Q3 so you got time

[tawdry tree]

Oh what the heck, I thought you had a module. Do you have a prebuilt 60HE+ or an older 60HE (non-plus)? If you have a plus, you can get some PCB mounted stabs.

[sacred elm]

They have non plus.

[tawdry tree]

Not sure why I thought it was the module

should’ve asked

😕

ah, he said he had clip ins too

[tawdry tree]

he might have the + though, if he thinks the screws ins come with the plus (rather than plate mounts with the prebuilt + as well), maybe just maybe.

🙏

[uncut basin]

i got the 60 non plus

i think i swapped w some tx ap clip ins

[tawdry tree]

🥀

[uncut basin]

all good though lol i decided to add hella to the order to make up for shipping and whatever

got me some keycaps and went for alu instead of cf

[tawdry tree]

I’m sorry man

[uncut basin]

nah ur good man i got cool keycaps bc of it so it’s all good

[tropic urchin]

You can atone by getting some Pbtfans salt lake keycaps as penance

With beige OW60

[tawdry tree]

ye lemme just buy another ow60 rq

[tawdry tree]

what caps did you go with btw?

[tropic urchin]

Honestly GT60 would probably be better bet

[tawdry tree]

yeah

gt60 is nice

[tropic urchin]

The slightly white silver version would match the white alphas pretty well

[uncut basin]

i got pbtfans courage reds

i’ve been using basic ass gmk wob for the longest time

this is the only color i have in my entire setup lol

rest is entire black white or silver

[tawdry tree]

😂 it’ll stand out, that’s good

and which color gt-60

[uncut basin]

it’s black but i copped the red accent pieces w this order

[tawdry tree]

red and black enjoyer

[uncut basin]

yea i hope the different shades of red look good together tho

if not i’ll j skip the accents

[tawdry tree]

alu is a bit darker but since the accent pieces and keycaps aren’t right next to eachother, it’ll look good I think

[glacial wind]

that's the problem. Those are v1 as well depending on which vendor/person you check with

[tawdry tree]

we don’t listen to vendors

or brands

or manus

[glacial wind]

or youtubers

[tawdry tree]

[glacial wind]

it's like 5 different switches all called sticky rice in various forms of v1/v2/no version

[tawdry tree]

Sticky Rice, Rice Pudding, Glutinous Rice 🔥🔥

[uncut basin]

yea that’s what i’m thinking too

[glacial wind]

the ali vendors list it as sticky rice v1 iirc, milktooth probably one of others

[chilly mural]

We only listens to Sno

[glacial wind]

the problem is translation got translated various ways too

[tawdry tree]

the only ones worthy of a version number are the Haimu ones

those aren’t a whole switch entirely (from one another)

[glacial wind]

they just need to stop using the same name

[tawdry tree]

Everglide did the same with masters

Some call the newer Haimu one “M” though

[tropic urchin]

I’m waiting for the Sinful Rice Pudding Keycap switches

New boxstem with 42.5g bottom out long springs

[tawdry tree]

Keycao switches? sounds like you want the centerpiece buddy

[tropic urchin]

You can make fun of my Ulx but this is too far buddy

[glacial wind]

you know there's 2025 sticky rice now too, kailh went back and decided we needed more sticky rice named switches

[tropic urchin]

Wait actually

My meme is real?

🤣🤣🤣

[glacial wind]

yeah it's not even meme anymore, we living in it

[tropic urchin]

I didn’t even know

🤣😭

That’s too funny

[tawdry tree]

true actually

[tropic urchin]

Will the sticky rice live up to the name with sticky friction issues

[glacial wind]

the more i use the mathew switches the more i hate them though

[tropic urchin]

Oh that looks like 💩

[glacial wind]

at least the freya are good outside of the magnet

the mathew switches just survived by default since there was nothing else for so long

[tawdry tree]

is it just a Sticky Rice top housing on the Haimu Silents?

looks the same other than the top housing

[glacial wind]

yeah housing is same i'm pretty sure

and both are the worst top wobble in all my testing

it's actually finicky and tricky to judge between good vs great top wobble for most of these, but when it comes to mathew and the sticky rice they're both so bad it's noticably worse than everything else

mathew has a hole in their housing top though, but both are such poor quality top housings

[tawdry tree]

I mean the Freyas, mb

Are Freyas just Haimu Silents with a Sticky Rice V1 (separate diffuser) top?

[glacial wind]

oh, no different material bottom, although both have same dampening method

they're also among the most stable bottom out i've seen

like polar pro+ level almost no movement at bottom

[tawdry tree]

The Haimus and the Freyas both have a PA bottom no?

[tawdry tree]

Haimus were pretty impressive in that regard already, just atrocious top wobble lol

[glacial wind]

i'm not sure if mathew is pa or not

i could never find a proper material list for them

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think Haimu ever did something else tbh 😂

[noble turret]

OHHHH YEHHAHAHAHAA

[glacial wind]

i can only assume tarik bought a new sony lens

[tawdry tree]

gold gold gold

[tawdry tree]

spacebar can still use some work, but other than that, 🔥

[noble turret]

How can I improve it sensei?

I’m still waiting for my doubleshot pbt keycaps

[tawdry tree]

Sounds a bit chattery, but might not be rattle.

Can you rec a vid of you pressing it from left to right?

[noble turret]

Of course sensei i’ll need to finish the meeting with my leadership team first though lol

I am unprofessional but cutting the call to record it would be new heights XD

Thank you so much for your help

[chilly mural]

he lubed a switch after this

[polar girder]

For silent or for anything?

[tawdry tree]

stable as in minimal stem wobble

there’s still the up and down movement that comes with the leafs

or with anything squishy

[trail bane]

Ayo

[tawdry tree]

[trail bane]

@GMDexposer · 4h ago
Your knowledge may be good in the standard keyboard environment, but not in GD: it’s a completely different thing.

The most important characteristic for GD is total travel; even a difference of 0.1mm already strongly affects quality for GD. And for each of the switches you mentioned, it’s the same as in Wukong’s (3.4), while Flux’s is actually 3.5.

Therefore, it’s completely unclear why they should be better, and the fact that you didn’t even mention Gateron Spark with 3.2 shows your low competence in the field of GD switches. Here it’s not about the brand or the “best magnet,” but about total travel and the actual result when comparing IRL with in-game

[trail bane]

I need the opinion of the fathers of this industry ||@tawdry tree @glacial wind|| because: "I’m way too incompetent here"

[chilly mural]

I think he's refering to how total travel of the switch can change how it feels to play?

[tawdry tree]

lander with undeniably low competence holy

total travel = preference

not better or worse

[trail bane]

Xd

[sacred elm]

More travel = more control

[tawdry tree]

stability could allow for more extreme settings, so that’d be the only real performance metric

[tawdry tree]

for GD, I’d guess lower travel would be nicer, but maybe not.

[tropic urchin]

3.3mm travel clears

[tawdry tree]

what is the argument even?

[chilly mural]

4mm is all you need

[tropic urchin]

No 3.3mm is all you need bc 4.0 requires you to add more travel

[chilly mural]

if that's the case, uhh, 3mm is all you need

[tropic urchin]

3.3 comes first ☝️🤓

[tropic urchin]

That’s true

Low profile all the way

[chilly mural]

membrane is all I want

[trail bane]

GD is literally a quasi-rhythm game, where, just like in osu, you need low total travel?

And btw

[trail bane]

In his list of the best switches, Lekkers with 4mm are in second place, just so you know

[sacred elm]

In osu you don't need low travel, 90% of top players still use Lekkers, because of 4mm travel distance.

Dunno about GD.

[tawdry tree]

Not need but I could see why it’d be preferred. Technically there shouldn’t really be a difference between normal and very low travel as long as the settings are the same.

[chilly mural]

Not at all, in fact, input method wise, you at least should go with something of your preference/feel rather than getting something 'faster'. What matter in that kind of game is what feels nice and what's consistent, since the latter is already been done by the board, getting your fav switches/board is the goal.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, travel is just preference.

[chilly mural]

yesh, which is why membrane can be nice, it's just that getting one with 10 key roll over is pain

[trail bane]

What also blows my mind is the fact that all their recommendations are based on their own opinion

[random dagger]

welp i caved in and bought a set of stabs for my 80he, i'll update once i get them from the us

[tropic urchin]

Getting 3rd party stabs is nice if you buy them prelubed/wire balanced so you don’t gotta do much work to em

Other than that they don’t do too much

[random dagger]

indeed i got them unlubed and idk if they will be balanced

i will have fun with them over a weekend

[glacial wind]

for anything. The bottom out physically is crazy stable

i'm only rating physical wobble though because magnetic flux stuff is too complicated to test without very fancy machinery and process

so some of these have great physical wobble but awful cheap magnets

[glacial wind]

what does he mean by GD here?

[chilly mural]

geometry dash

[glacial wind]

oh

i think when you start worrying about things like that in a game you either better be rank 1 in the world or you've gone off the deep end

sidenote, it's interesting just how bad some of those cheapie switch top housings are, because i never had them next to lekker v1, but i think the lucifer/sticky rice etc top housings might be actually even wobbler than lekker v1

i randomly had lekker v1 next to lucifer for some grading and couldn't help noticing that they're even worse than lekker at the top physically

i think that particular top housing might be the literal worst one i've tested in all the switches

[chilly mural]

lekker v1 catching some W lmao

[trail bane]

After I replied to his comment, he might come here to the server, and I think it would be worth remembering what’s the most important thing to look at when choosing switches

[chilly mural]

feel!

and sound

[trail bane]

W

[tawdry tree]

making enemies and bringing them here huh

[trail bane]

Nah, since I don’t really know much , I’m sure there’s definitely someone here who can help him understand. He’s the elite of the GD community, after all, why would he trust some random guy from his comments?

Anyways, did y’all know that I’m completely suck in terms of HE

[chilly mural]

its fine, it's very complicated in itself anyway, if that's not the case we have razer making one by now

[tropic urchin]

Elite GD is about the same as a random guy for competitive gaming imo

[glacial wind]

my conclusion is that yeah lekker v1 weren't good and sound was quite chattery, but actual physical wobble wise they're roughly B tier

which still isn't great, but still better than the sticky rice c tier top wobble

although i suppose those do make it up a bit with good bottom wobble

[tropic urchin]

Oh god C tier must be gross

[glacial wind]

c tier is basically mathew silent/sticky rice/lucifer he level of top wobbling

just super loose top

[sacred elm]

No way something is worse than Lekker v1 😭

[tropic urchin]

Vomit

[glacial wind]

but they do get an S for bottom out funny enough

although i severely doubt the quality of their magnet

[tropic urchin]

I’d rather use owlabs shaky bottom wobble than that shit 😭

[glacial wind]

it's very weird though

how they can have the worlds most loose top wobble, but then super stable bottom

[polar girder]

Damn ok

[glacial wind]

but like 90% of the switches these days are all roughly a-a or a-s, we've kind of hit that point where everything is fairly good physical wobble wise now

smoothness is a whole different ballgame though, as the taishan gt for example i gave an S+ to bottom, but i hate their feel

that weird big stem can be felt anytime you push off axis

[tawdry tree]

same for raptors 😭

V2s*

[chilly mural]

do we have a-s-s

[glacial wind]

i'd need a 3rd category

but a-s-s would be a quite high grade, which would please many

[chilly mural]

price to performance?

[glacial wind]

all the top wobble testing is making me hyper aware of how even the position of the switch on keyboard affects the wobble due to flex stuff though

[tropic urchin]

Wheres all the nylon switches smh

Forget all POM/PC, nylon top and bottom + POM stem 🔥

[tawdry tree]

don’t think there’s been a full nylon switch yet

[tropic urchin]

I demand it

It just has to not be made by Wuque or Gateron

[tawdry tree]

that’s what orchids were supposed to be 🥀

[tropic urchin]

Orchids pmo

[glacial wind]

it's interesting that the old gateron jade are actually quite physically wobbly at b top, b bottom, but closing the bottom alone made such a difference

[tropic urchin]

They should’ve been the flux killer but instead they’re just a-s-s

[glacial wind]

just sound wise that is

[tropic urchin]

@tawdry tree maybe flux is my end game after all

Still got all my legs

[tawdry tree]

you need transparent fluxies

bestest

[tropic urchin]

I want the deep clackers

[tawdry tree]

not sure if those are even available yet

[tropic urchin]

But not paying $4 per switch

Idk like

I’m the only one that paid for it

I should atleast get the deep clack for 50% off bc nobody else did

I’m their only positive PR

and yet they don’t care

😭

[tawdry tree]

I did too mfer

[tropic urchin]

Damn

3/3

[tawdry tree]

they should do a trade in service

[tropic urchin]

I did a full lube on mine and it feels pretty good

I think it’s mostly broken in now

That actually kinda sucks tho

To get deep clack means I’d be tariffed on top of high switch prices

Milktooth get yo shit together

[fallen pecan]

Unionwell is selling a switch sampler for 26.5 yuan

[glacial wind]

aren't half of those just recolors

[fallen pecan]

All of em i think

[chilly mural]

a nice way to sell unsold switches

[glacial wind]

lol

what are people sampling then

[fallen pecan]

Colors

[glacial wind]

rgb?

[tawdry tree]

I cba and have them collecting dust. surely soon their price will double and it’ll turn out to be a worthy investment?

[tropic urchin]

He does have orchid and sparks tho so maybe he will

[fallen pecan]

The transparent one is pricey tho, going for 60 yuan for 4

[tawdry tree]

just ask em for a discount

[tawdry tree]

it’s the ATK one right

[glacial wind]

i wonder when my deep clacks will turn up actually

[tropic urchin]

Just get kailh opener 🔥

[fallen pecan]

These are the ATK collab ones

[tropic urchin]

If you don’t like them send them to me

[tawdry tree]

ye, still expensive but a whole lot better than $4.5 per switch

[glacial wind]

i hope the outemu silent turn out good, then there's at least 2 decent silent switch options

[fallen pecan]

Whats going for $4.5?

[tawdry tree]

they will be for sure

[fallen pecan]

This is the unionwell one

[tawdry tree]

ye

[fallen pecan]

International pricing i guess

That box of switches is going for 50 to 60 yuan in china

[glacial wind]

why is elf king so wobbly btw @trail bane

[glacial wind]

i'm still confused because they sound decent due to closed bottom, but they're quite wobbly for a recent gen switch

[tawdry tree]

people trying to get a bit of their money back

they came with the board

“worth $45”

[tawdry tree]

they aren’t!

[chilly mural]

$1 per switch but still damn expensvive

[tawdry tree]

on par with jade pros iirc

[glacial wind]

eh who said that?

[tawdry tree]

me

[glacial wind]

these are not jade pro level though, i have them in front of me right now

[tawdry tree]

hmm, I think they wwre

but might be misremembering

[glacial wind]

there's a lot of wobble, not lekker v1 level, but they're similar to lekker v2

[tawdry tree]

had them next to Jade Pros

[tropic urchin]

Elf kings = elf prince if they’re jade pro level

[tawdry tree]

demoted 🥀

[glacial wind]

Elf king on left, lekker v2 on right

[tawdry tree]

60HE v2 just has a loose plate

[trail bane]

I don’t even know, I’m used to it. From what I feel, the play is less than the Jades, so that’s already good

[tropic urchin]

Better top wobble looks like and similar bottom

[glacial wind]

i just pulled out a jade pro to double check, the jade pros clear these easily wobble wise

[sacred elm]

I'd give Raptors a solid a-s-s

[tropic urchin]

I wouldn’t crown them but seems ok

[tropic urchin]

Yikes

[tawdry tree]

odd

[glacial wind]

The Jade pros better at both top and bottom

[tropic urchin]

Don’t let capr see or it’ll go to his head

Jade pros felt super wobbly before I went to POMs that’s kinda wild

[tawdry tree]

don’t remember them being this wobbly

maybe my jade pros were fucked

the elf princes do sound nuce

[glacial wind]

i actually have two batches of jade pro, lemme check if anything changes with second batch

[tawdry tree]

nicer than jade pros imo

the Jade Pros I compared them with were in the Slice, with a QR Code

the earliest batch didn’t have a QR code iirc

[tropic urchin]

It’s actually quite funny I think I used Jade pros/POM for similar time 1.5-2 months and flux has been my main switch for use time (since April)

[tawdry tree]

you just have buyers remorse bro, that’s why you’re still using fluxies

[tropic urchin]

I thought I would, but I don’t

I’ve tried to replace them twice and I keep coming back

Owlabs failed

Raptors failed

HMX Crystal ?

Maybe Mathew switches are 🔥

Jk my doors closed

[chilly mural]

your door might be closed but your wallet always open

[tawdry tree]

HMX can’t be trusted

[tropic urchin]

Ngl that’s a bar

Not even mad

[tropic urchin]

Who can we trust atp

[glacial wind]

So I tested a few until I found a jade pro with least amount of lube and it got closer, but jade pro were still better by a tad

[chilly mural]

it's alright, at least I can see you test out 2026 meta iem

[tawdry tree]

Raesha, Jerzzi (maybe) and Outemu (maybe).

[tawdry tree]

interesting.

[tropic urchin]

I only throw caution to the wind and get new ones when my current ones die or experience issues so i hope not

[fallen pecan]

I have the jerzzis and outemu peaches, were meh

[glacial wind]

Lube does make a difference though as I have a random batch of Jade pros hand lubed that are noticeably tighter, but I don’t use them for any comparisons since it’s not fair

[chilly mural]

better be hoping more 😭

[tawdry tree]

What was wrong with the Peaches?

[trail bane]

My world is shattered, I’m crying

[fallen pecan]

Nothing wrong with them, just kinda mid

[tawdry tree]

Hmm, in terms of wobble?

[trail bane]

Only in terms of "better than jades"

[glacial wind]

Sound wise they’re still fine. Honestly if you wobble test all day like me you start to see how tiny the differences are in most of these

Like from jade pro to owlab isn’t that big even though it’s there

it’s only the truly bad wobble switches where I instantly notice how awful they are

Like the sticky rice tops

or mathew

[fallen pecan]

Id take peaches over raeds any day tho

I have a raed on my spacebar and the vibration is awful

[tawdry tree]

vibration?!

[fallen pecan]

Yeah there’s like a back-vibration into my fingers

Then again i can hear the peach stem touch the wall when i bottom them out and wiggle

This is the peach wiggle

[tawdry tree]

the heck lmfao

are they wobbly?

or dry as fuck?

that shit sounds worse than KoM POMs

[fallen pecan]

Not sure about dry but they are wobbly

[tawdry tree]

I see

[fallen pecan]

Jerzis are rock solid but the sound is meh, id say even more so than polars

Im seeing less movement on my jerzis than my polar pros

[tropic urchin]

Oh no

[tawdry tree]

Jerzzi’s rails are interesting

[fallen pecan]

I have the pink sparks and jade emeralds on the way, should arrive next week

Theyre one of the fully cylindrical switches, stability shouldn’t be an issue

[tawdry tree]

Outemu has had cylindrical ones for ages but they never released them afaik

[fallen pecan]

Id like to see kailh cylinder switches, they were pretty decent with their mx ones

[robust siren]

@tropic urchin ive sorted out the iem situation
astrals coming thanksgiving week

[tawdry tree]

“hand lubing” stems lmfao

[marsh saffron]

Lemme just lube my keycap stems real quick 😭

[tawdry tree]

😭😭😭😭

[glacial wind]

hrm all my geon raw are hand lubed, i can't find any stock ones

that's annoying, i don't know where they stand stock

[tropic urchin]

Big big W

[tropic urchin]

Even after all the ones I’ve tried, astrals sound really good so you should notice a decent boost to your setup

[glacial wind]

iirc wobble wise they were roughly in jade pro level stock weren't they?

[tropic urchin]

Atleast you’re not getting truthear hexas in a lateral move instead of a real upgrade

[glacial wind]

god dam it. I spent the last 20 mins thinking i was going crazy because my mmd c1 felt wobbler than before

then i realized i was testing the jade airs, not the mmd c1

kept going back between it and owlab wondering what changed

[jade narwhal]

real hand lube

[tulip rapids]

hear me out chat

[warm tree]

go ahead

[robust siren]

is the hearing out in the room with us

[tropic urchin]

No

Jk spit it out Saiyan

[tulip rapids]

wooting lets me buy the tikken early

wooting gets money and i get new switches

https://tenor.com/view/business-man-leon-short-gif-21636355

why the iphone 17 pro so ugly

iphone air........

[glacial wind]

just case it up, then you can't see half the phone anyway

[neat nexus]

How did some of you get all these different cases and colour keycaps?

[robust siren]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[tropic urchin]

Lots of searching and money

And not being ISO-regional language locked

[neat nexus]

Yeah but do you get it on different websites etc

[robust siren]

yes

@neat nexus https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[warm forge]

i always hear this talk about stem wobble but what does it actually show up as in day to day use?

i can only think of it being an issue if you arent pushing straight down on the key but even then, unless there's an insane amount of wobble it would be fairly undetectable id think

[hot ledge]

Should i get the 80he or 60he?

[tropic urchin]

For Bigger layout —> 80HE, if you want 60% wait for 60HEv2

[hot ledge]

What do i get with the v2?

[tropic urchin]

Same internals as 80HE and better stock experience with the new Lekker Tikkens which will be comparable with the owlab ti he for stability but deeper sound profile

It’s releasing by Q4 of this year so might as well wait for it

If you end up going for 60% layout

[hot ledge]

Isnt it more expensive then the normal one?

[tropic urchin]

I’m not sure if it’s more expensive since I don’t think the price is out yet @glacial wind can correct me if I’m wrong, but it should be comparable pricing

[hot ledge]

What if i instead go for the normal? Cuz i kinda dont have time to wait it personal reasons

[random dagger]

raptors arrived and they sound scratchy 😭

[tropic urchin]

Normal is fine if you can’t wait

[random dagger]

welp this weekend i'll spend relubing

[tropic urchin]

But the biggest difference is just layout between the two @hot ledge

[tropic urchin]

I wouldn’t waste significant time relubing, if it’s related to the spring that’s just how they’re designed unfortunately

[random dagger]

should i bag lube the springs then?

[hot ledge]

Does it get the l60 v2 or the same lekkers l60?

[sacred elm]

v2 will have better sound and feel. If that's not your priority get 60HE+.

[tropic urchin]

He cant wait if you go up a bit

[tropic urchin]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[tulip rapids]

what if i want the 60v3 instead?

[tropic urchin]

2035

[tulip rapids]

i aint got that much time left bruv

[tropic urchin]

You can if you think you can get rid of some of the scratch, but you’ll have some spring crunch no matter what

[tropic urchin]

GGs saiyan

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/exhausted-goku-dragon-ball-tired-faint-gif-11726508

[random dagger]

i'll try

[glacial wind]

v2 will be a little pricer than v1 60he+ for metal case prebuilt, but as announced recently we'll have a plastic case option that we're making to try give an option closer to v1 pricing

[random dagger]

2AZ3SX 4DC5FVR6TGVB7HYN8NJUM9MK./P='

[glacial wind]

agreed

[polar girder]

Nice I missed that announcement. That’s neat

Although I feel like the stock alu case will be killer value

[hot ledge]

Does the normal wooting get the lekkers v2 now or they still get the old l60

[glacial wind]

yeah, our original intent was to actually make v2 with metal case have no price increase, but the new coating and other things kept adding up

[glacial wind]

all wootings we sell are lekker v1.5 or v2 (which are basically same thing), we don't sell lekker v1 anymore outside of individual packs

[random dagger]

lemme translate the machine code i wrote, what lube for springs?

[hot ledge]

Never heared of the 1.5 its the same but less rattle right?

[sacred elm]

Difference between v1.5 and v2 Lekkers is pretty small #💬│general message

[glacial wind]

v1.5 is basically just slightly less tight tolerance magnets, no noticable difference to average person

[noble turret]

Here it is!

[tropic urchin]

Worst case I’d replace W/S or WASD keys with another switch for movement, but rest of your raptors should be fine going forwards

[peak breach]

Bought another gmk set

Since my monochrome r2 has yellowed

Gmk modern ink, pretty similar but with the added weeb factor

I like the novelties but oblo didnt have them in stock

Probably gonna start using a cover for my keeb

[thin geyser]

Which brand has the best quality keyboard pad for under my 60he+? I really need one soon

[sacred elm]

Keebmat is nice

[thin geyser]

Lmao I ordered from them on monday the 1st so 10 days ago. It shouldve been delivered on monday but it said it's being sent back to the sender.

Idk whats going on there but whatever.

Is there nothing better?

[tropic urchin]

I’d try to find a keebmat alternative online (should be able to find other clones of it to some degree), seems bizarre it got sent back

Keebmat specifically is the only one ik of off the top rn

[thin geyser]

Hmm

I see glorious also has them but idk the quality

[tropic urchin]

KBDfans or Etsy might be worth looking into

[thin geyser]

Will do, thank you man

[tropic urchin]

I’d also try emailing whatever shipping service or keebmat to see what happened regarding the send back

That seems very weird for why it was rejected

Unless they needed some weird custom fee that you weren’t alerted to

[thin geyser]

I did pay the custom fee

[tropic urchin]

I’d be pissed

That’s bs

[uneven cradle]

Quality? There's this handmade Italian leather one https://wiredinstore.com/products/luxe-suede-keyboard-mat

[tropic urchin]

3 delivery fails hm

[harsh dove]

I have two of the XL ones

[tropic urchin]

Oh shit that looks sick

[harsh dove]

I have the grey and brown ones

[thin geyser]

Damnn this one looks nice. If the keebmat one doesn’t get delivered I might have to go for the leather one. Lil on the pricey side tho

[thin geyser]

How is the quality? Does it slip?

[harsh dove]

Very good, but pretty slow in terms of mouse movement, so I wouldn’t recommend them for gaming , but if you’re just getting the keeb sized one then you’re good, your keeb definitely won’t move

[thin geyser]

Nah just need one for under my keyboard

[thin geyser]

Thanks man

[harsh dove]

I should also mention the black one isn’t really black, it’s more of a black coffee brown

Ah I noticed he changed the name to Espresso

On the desk mat sized ones it still says Black lol

[tropic urchin]

Is it nicer than keebmat cam

I might cop one at some point if so

Does look nice

[uneven cradle]

Wonder who I got the inspo from

[harsh dove]

Who is that guy

Cringe

“100% handmade Italian leather”

[tropic urchin]

Does it feel nicer than the standard keebmat felt

The future of the universe hangs in the balance

Choose wisely

[harsh dove]

I think it's higher quality than the keebmat but I think the keebmat is still nice for its price

[calm pulsar]

no italians were harmed in making of this leather

I hope

[tulip rapids]

[thorn zealot]

what softness did u get

[tulip rapids]

soft

and xl size

[thorn zealot]

how is it so far

if uve used it a bit

[tulip rapids]

havent tested it yet

just got it in the mail like 3 minutes ago

it feels very nice

im just waiting on the skates to come in so i can truly test out this pad

this new mouse and pad makes 800dpi feel a bit faster

[calm pulsar]

nice mouse (cat)

[reef sun]

I recently got a white zinc alloy 80HE, is their any mods i should start with?

[tropic urchin]

What switches do you have currently

The most noticeable mods you can do is swapping plate and switches depending on what you have currently

[reef sun]

Lekker L60

I havent changed one thing about it since i bought it.

[tropic urchin]

Depending on your sound profile preference you can swap for owlab ti he or other current switches or wait for tikkens if you want

But the 3 big main things that will influence your sound and feel are case, switch plate and switches. Everything else is secondary/tertiary

[livid pond]

how to make 80he spacebar sound better? new stabs?

[warm forge]

define better

lubed stabs would probably do the trick

[tropic urchin]

Depending on your issue there’s a few ways. If it’s ticking or rattly, I’d recommend tuning or lubing your stabs (make sure it’s perfectly flat and relube). If sound better is due to the volume then swapping the switch or space bar foam would help

[livid pond]

sorry better as in less rattly
i’ll try lubing the stabs.

[livid pond]

thanks i’ll try this

[warm forge]

yeah tuning and lubing should do the trick

[queen otter]

car

[trail bane]

Ugh, GMK Tiramisu or Biege KAP Midas for e-white case?

Eepy time btw so gn

[tropic urchin]

Tiramisu @trail bane

More novelties and color contrast

[trail bane]

Ping

[trail bane]

Ok king

[tropic urchin]

Gn as well

[trail bane]

Ping

https://tenor.com/view/feednanyangi-nanyangi-luna-jaemin-luna-sleepy-nanyangi-sleepy-gif-1596089920556574778

[tropic urchin]

Varedis strikes again

[warm gate]

is tape modding the 80he a dumb idea

im aware that it comes stock with some sort of "tape mod" but i was just wondering if 4 layers of painters tape would be better

[tropic urchin]

It’s not a big difference, you can try to see if you’d like it

[calm heath]

Final final stupid question

Should I reuse the top plate on the two he or make a new one?

[crimson sky]

reuse it for what

[torn talon]

Quick question, i am planning to buy a modding kit for 80he. Pom plate vs fr4 vs carbon fibre. Which one is better if i want a thocky sound?

[tropic urchin]

depends on the switch you're using. CF = stiffest which will give it more clack, FR4 is in the middle and I think gives it a more balanced sound and POM is softer but it can give a more harsher sound depending on switch used. I do like POM over the standard PC plate, but I think if you went POM/FR4 UR Ice you might get something decent sounding, but you wont get the full MX thock in HE

id try more than one @torn talon as you never know until you try to see what you like more

[tropic urchin]

you could also try getting a custom PP plate made from Hypekeyboards which might get closer than POM/FR4

[gray vapor]

Anyone who has lubed their owlab Ti switches, was it worth it?

[torn talon]

Thank you for replying. I'm planning on waiting for lekker tikkens first. I might just buy fr4 and pom plate.

[tropic urchin]

I think FR4 is probably a good bet for tikkens

the stock 60HEv2 has it by default so worth taking a listen to see if thats something you're interested in

id stay away from PC plate unless you like a more quiet experience since it kills alot of sound from most switches

[torn talon]

Thanks for your input @tropic urchin . I will purchase the modding kit from Toronto Keyboard Man black plate FR4 and whilst waiting for tikkens. Oh boy I'm so excited.

[reef oar]

make sure to order some jade pros too

[thorn zealot]

💀 🥀 😭 🚫 👎 💔

[robust siren]

[calm pulsar]

this message was fact checked by true Jade patriots
true ✅

[glacial wind]

man the tec linears are really nice

i never played around much with them before, but playing with them today theyre great outside of the whole silent inaccuracy stuff

[glacial wind]

Also why is kailh following ttc example and doing box stem no lube switches

I opened up their pricy magnetic god switches and it was bone dry

[glacial wind]

something interesting to note that isn't widespread known also: high magnetic force isn't really an issue now unless it's EXTREMELY above normal. Raptor v1 for example give similar magnetic flux to lekker v2, so wooting software has been adjusted since the early days to accommodate these higher magnetic ranges

just too low magnetic flux is the issue now for some switches

[fallen pecan]

wooting60 in a sora60 case, plus saran wrap (1:20)?

[chilly mural]

keepin the 60he fresh

[obtuse brook]

What’s the cheapest custom he keyboard you can make with like ti switches

60p

[north girder]

isnt pc the default plate

[open sapphire]

guys ive seen people put ixpe switch pad and pet sheet over their 80he pcb and made their keyboard hard to access 4.0mm. what if i only add the pet sheet? will it significantly affect the performance?

[old sapphire]

when does the tikken switch come out

[fluid ravine]

it is indeed yes

[north girder]

q4y2k25

[fallen pecan]

the ixpe fucks with the switches, you're fine with the PET

[fluid ravine]

soon™

[north girder]

what is xp

[fluid ravine]

it's a type of material for pcb sheet that is used as a sound modifier

[old sapphire]

what switch is similar/ better than jade pros i have them in my wooting 60he+ looking for something for me 80he been using the lekkers 2.0 for a while

[north girder]

gateron jade sparcs

[fluid ravine]

why we recommending expensive switches

[north girder]

(not released yet and neither it is the official name)

[old sapphire]

can you send me a link to them is there any sale going on?

oh

what is available lol

[north girder]

ngl id wait for tikkens / jade sparks

[fallen pecan]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-spark-switch?VariantsId=11390 new hotness

[open sapphire]

alright thx. will try it with my new switches on the way

[north girder]

both are really nice switches comming soon

[old sapphire]

ok ill just wait

[fluid ravine]

You mean Jade Emerald?

[fallen pecan]

nah he means the green sparks that he has

[fallen pecan]

jade emeralds are a darker green

[glacial wind]

i like that he asked about jade pro similar type switches and people just recommended him totally different switches

[fluid ravine]

oh is there more colorways with sparks?

all i see is orange and pink colorway

[north girder]

mid because no pom stem

[fallen pecan]

not sure when the green is coming out, but there's also the pink and dank1ng special edition

[north girder]

nope

[glacial wind]

if you want something similar to jade pro type, look at owlab ti he, ur ice ultra, duhuk herz @old sapphire

[fluid ravine]

mm

[glacial wind]

the ones recommended to you are not anything like jade pros and totally different type of switches

[north girder]

2 different switches

[fluid ravine]

Interesting

[glacial wind]

i'd also hold off on buying sparks until we have them in switch selector since the calibration takes a long time right now

[random dagger]

i like the colors that the raptors have

[north girder]

i dislike it

its annyoing with my green build
cant have withish green backlight since tge switches will make it look orange

[fallen pecan]

Purple stem

[fluid ravine]

wtf are these color ways 😭

pink is solid icl but wtf

[random dagger]

i get that, luckly i run a white/red colo scheme so it matches

[fluid ravine]

orange just makes sense lmfao

[north girder]

imo orange looks good to
only yellow puple looks cheap

[open sapphire]

ice ultras on stock pcr 80he vs fully modded sayo k64h3 (rule60v3 case)

[fluid ravine]

orange and "spark" just fits

but i realy dont understand the purple on yellow

[north girder]

yep

[north girder]

yeah looks like some kind of yugioh item

[fallen pecan]

They wanted to match the caps on the special edition

[fluid ravine]

average gateron activities

recolors everything

[fluid ravine]

oh hell no

0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001mm RT at some point

best keyboard to release to date

just cus

[north girder]

0.001 rt sounds like u sneeze and thus your input gets canceled

[fluid ravine]

use my fucking eyes to actuate each keypress

gravity can actuate my board for me

nice

[chilly mural]

thanos ahh color

[fluid ravine]

[north girder]

1 um is so goddamn small
i dont think any keyboard can reliably have rt in that increment

[noble turret]

Guys, keep this close to yourselves and don’t spill the beans

But after finally receiving and assembling my wooting

I think they’re great keyboards

It makes me feel like working more so i can type more

AND I AM SPANISH

So just imagine

You can use that in your promos wooting

“Will make a spaniard work”

[gaunt trellis]

80He In Gt-80 case, geon he raws hand lubed, brass top plate, and ceramic keycaps

Any suggestions

[quick scaffold]

Anyone here has tried to reduce the noise level of their Wooting 60HE? (full context here if someone is interested: #1415628046513213440 message)

I'm also down to swapping to the 80HE if the newer models are a bit more silent (+ I get back my F keys in the process), because right now, it's a bit tricky to play with my little one napping around me without waking him up when slamming my keys 😅 (despite trying my very best not to press them fully)

[sacred elm]

You can try silent switches #🪛│modding_faq message

[little glen]

I dont think the mathew silent are the best anymore tho

Freya silent is good i think is what sno said

[little glen]

^

[sacred elm]

Yes, but they're only available on Geon.

https://geon.works/products/ndiy-freya-silent-he-switch - if shipping is ok for you get these @quick scaffold

[quick scaffold]

Thanks! I'm guessing the custom duty and tax should be ok-ish considering the total value in the package 😅 (and I'm fine with shipping delays/extra cost)

Would those still work fine if I decide later to move to a bigger keyboard, outside of ordering more for the extra keys? (still eyeing that 80HE )

[sacred elm]

Yes, they work on 80HE too.

[quick scaffold]

Awesome! In terms of performance, how do they compare to the original switches mounted on the 60HE?

[little glen]

I mean you could in theory just get some extra switches

If you want to lower the amount of sound, you may also want to look at changing the mounting style on your board to something more isolated from the case like friction mount for example

[sacred elm]

Performance wise they're not as accurate as normal switches. Check note under the silent switches.

[little glen]

But that would probably entail getting a new case as well so it would be more expensive than the switches and less effective

However, if you feel like you still need it quieter that would be an option

A keebmat would also work to isolate the keyboard from the desk a little more

[sacred elm]

If you're not using very sensitive settings, you should be fine @quick scaffold

Just checked and you have 60HE non plus, I'm not sure if Freya Silent switches will work properly on it. @glacial wind should know.

[quick scaffold]

@little glen Gotcha! I've got a fairly thick mat already, but I'm a bit of a heavy key presser at times, so I end up still being fairly noisy 😅 (+ my office has some reverb and is open directly on the living room so it echoes a fair bit unfortunately)

@sacred elm Understood! No really sensitive settings on my end nope, so I guess it should be fine in this case
Yep I've got the older version

[little glen]

Oh maybe you should do some stuff to prevent some of the reverb

A rug would help, maybe some thick curtains

Bookshelves can help trap sound too

[quick scaffold]

Not sure how my wife would feel if I start adding reverb cancelling stuff all over 😂 (got that already in the music room)

But more furnitures might be a good compromise since it's pretty empty still (moved in recently)

[little glen]

Yeah there are ways to be sneaky about the sound treatment in your house

Thats why i recommended rug, curtaisn etc

[sacred elm]

Outside of silent switches, you can also get a PC plate and swap out your current steel plate. Steel tends to sound very loud and metallic.

https://wooting.io/product/60he-pc-switch-plate

[little glen]

Tell the wife she can pick out some nice curtains and a rug or two to make the house feel homier and she wouldnt know you actually did it for the sound

[quick scaffold]

Not a bad idea, I might try that if I still can't get enough noise reduction on the keyboard itself!

[little glen]

I mean this is also just a general qol thing tbh

Less reverb at home always good

[quick scaffold]

That could be a good change as well, I guess it doesn't hinder the kind of switch I can mount on the keyboard, right? (i.e. I should be able to combine both this + silent switches if need be)

[sacred elm]

Yes

[quick scaffold]

I honestly tend to not notice that as much since I grew up and mostly lived in pretty reverb-y places 😅

[glacial wind]

should be fine. It just takes a little bit to accurately calibrate top/bottom of press, but since you're using silent dampened switches already that shouldn't interfere with how you're using them

[sacred elm]

Okay, then PC plate + Freya Silent switches will be a lot quieter than your current build.

[quick scaffold]

Alright, cool! I'm gonna look into that then
Thanks a lot for the quick replies! 🙏

[north girder]

arent sparks a bit more silent ? (im still annoyed i didnt grab some on gamescom for free to try out

[north girder]

do u use a deskmat ?

a deskmat will reduce vibrations transferring to your desk and thus some noise will also be reduced

[quick scaffold]

Yup! Some corsair ones (can't remember the model since I have it for quite some years now 😅 )

[north girder]

Regarding friction fit u could get the optimum case afaik it includes a friction fit gasket

[sacred elm]

No, Sparks aren't silent switches.

[north girder]

not silent but from my experience they are less noisy than other switches

well i only got those jade sparks as u well know

[sacred elm]

Not less noisy than silent switches

Silent switches have dampening mechanism at the bottom

[meager pendant]

is there a way to mod the lightbar to not show the different segments in the 80he?

[glacial wind]

Yeah, you can make it full bar, change the segments etc

[meager pendant]

Can I get rid of the black lines?

[sacred elm]

Try without the silicone blocker

[glacial wind]

yeah you'd have to remove the blocker maybe. The black lines are there on purpose so that you can see the segments properly

[meager pendant]

i appreciate you guys

im not even doing much and im terrified bc i never took a keyboard apart in any manner

[tropic urchin]

It gets easier every time you do it 👍

[random dagger]

any good rule of thumb when bag lubing springs?

[tropic urchin]

I put all the springs in and then just put a few drops of super lube (I eyeball it) and then once it looks decent I shake it up

Some ppl like to do a set # of drops per 10 springs but yoloing it also works decently

[glacial wind]

yeah not really much to worry about beyond make sure you give it a really good amount of shaking if you're worried about even spreading

and you can use extra lube if you're paranoid about not enough coverage (it just means some is wasted on the bag, but not a big deal)

[tropic urchin]

The tricky part is trying to get the main clumps separated into individual springs once your fingers get coated

[random dagger]

gonna do a test batch to compare before commiting, thanks ❤️

[crimson sky]

you can't really put too much on it

but you don't need a lot

[ruby hill]

Buy gt80

[trail bane]

No way! Lander is ordering Gateron switches for the second time ever

[tropic urchin]

“Don’t you dar… oh it’s only 10 pc”

[compact dove]

Would anyone be able to help me with this? #💬│general message

Looks like Raeds are partially compatible but I dont know what that means

[spiral crater]

cani put a piece of clear tape below the lekkers to make it kinda close bottomed?

[tropic urchin]

Raeds should work, but from the couple of tests I saw they’re kinda wobbly like baby teeth. They’re not the best stability, but if they sound like your cup of tea then they should be fine alvi

[compact dove]

Oh I see - is there a silent HE that would possibly work better? I am a Topre fan but wobbly keys sounds like pain

[tropic urchin]

Oh wait is it for the 80HE right

I think the baby teeth wobble was more of a 60HE problem iirc

[tropic urchin]

I think you should be ok

[compact dove]

Yessir for the 80HE - and thank you for the help!

[trail bane]

Ma man i’m not that fucking dumb

I had enough Gaterons since my first jades

Cuz it looks like most of the reviews(as example gater*hit tactiles mofo) are passing me by, and I’ll have to grab the cat by the balls and order them myself

[tawdry tree]

Raeds are compatible. If you didn’t already know, they block all light so you won’t see any RGB effects.

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, they’re somewhat loose in the 60HE’s plate but not in the 80HE’s.

[tropic urchin]

I was trying to find gothikx’s video and then my two neurons rubbed together for the day

[tawdry tree]

Raeds made me think of you @spice plover, how did it go with the OW60, do you like it? Did it come with a beige carrying case as well?

[compact dove]

Not a problem! Is there a sound test available anywhere or not yet?

[tropic urchin]

They sound very similar to a standard membrane keyboard, nothing crazy but pretty quiet

[tawdry tree]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[tropic urchin]

https://youtu.be/HsIYbLFogr8

[tropic urchin]

I swear I had to turn up my volume LMAO

[trail bane]

Ordered

[tawdry tree]

he has one with the audio boosted as well haha #🔧│keyboard_modding message

[glacial wind]

if you're going to order raeds just order the tecsee ones instead, you can't really find raeds in most places anymore

it's only a couple places with really old stock leftover while they rework them

[tawdry tree]

kinda ironic, AE had the international market and tecsee the domestic market but it didn’t really work lol

[trail bane]

Liink to make someones life easier
https://tecseekeys.store/products/tecsee-gel-pad-noise-reduction-free-setting-pre-travel-electro-capacitive-ec-2-in-1-mechanical-keyboard-magnetic-mute-switches

[glacial wind]

the tecsee are honestly great anyway though. Still have all the typical accuracy issues, but i assume if you order these type of things you're not that worried about accuracy

they're on aliexpress now too also

[trail bane]

By the way, remember I said I ordered them? Well, I got a refund for them relatively recently

[tawdry tree]

do you have raeds?

[tawdry tree]

like an automatic refund or you sent them back?

[glacial wind]

yeah geon is one of few stores that has stock of them still

at least locally, i don't know about his international store

[tawdry tree]

you notice any difference between raeds and tactile gel pads?

[glacial wind]

oh i didn't order the tactile gel pads, bought the linear ones

[tawdry tree]

ah alr

I think they’re the same but I’m not 100% sure

at least the linear ones are different

[glacial wind]

the bottom out on the tecsee is really stable wobble wise

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[trail bane]

First one I didn’t understand why they didn’t send them to me. When I later contacted them, it turned out they didn’t have them in stock at that time, and since I stayed inactive just like they did, their system simply refunded me

[tawdry tree]

AE originally said their wobble wasn’t that great but raeds surprised me

[tawdry tree]

I hate that shit

[trail bane]

Fr fuck those mofo

[glacial wind]

just order off ali instead

[tawdry tree]

happens on ali too

[trail bane]

maybe

[glacial wind]

oh lmao nm was i the last order they did

[compact dove]

Thank you!

[glacial wind]

https://ko.aliexpress.com/item/1005009501815286.html

it's gone now off ali as well

[tawdry tree]

it’s prob the exact same people running both

[glacial wind]

did they just run out of stock of them

[compact dove]

Is there a sound test for these too? Comparable experience?

[glacial wind]

aliexpress is keypro though

[tawdry tree]

cease and desist from AEBoards

😂😂

[trail bane]

Somewhere on bilibili, but let me find link for u

[compact dove]

Appreciate all the help in here!

[tawdry tree]

They’re the same switch essentially, just the domes that are slightly different.

[glacial wind]

honestly i don't know if sound test tells you much for these, they're very quiet

you're not going to hear much in the soundtest

[compact dove]

As long as they sound like silenced Topre rather than unsilenced, we're golden

[tawdry tree]

ye

[glacial wind]

they're silenced yeah

[tawdry tree]

you can remove the foam dampener as well if you wanted to

a silent bottom out with a loud top out

iirc, there were some topre boards like that

[trail bane]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1n3otYbEAf?spm_id_from=333.788.player.switch&p=2

[sacred elm]

Thought the video was muted for a second.

[glacial wind]

yeah you won't hear much, they're just silent switches lol

[tropic urchin]

It is

[glacial wind]

i upgraded them to S+ bottom out in latest sheet, but I need to wait for outemu to arrive to confirm they work fine before i pin it

the ones that got cancelled, were they the tactile ones? @trail bane

[trail bane]

Yep

[glacial wind]

when i ordered the ones off aliexpress they were the last stock for linears, i wonder if their main website is fine

[trail bane]

Looks like they’re in stock but who knows)

[glacial wind]

i'm just glad i can finally take mathew off the list, what an awful switch

[compact dove]

Is this list public? (Apologies havent had a look around properly yet)

[sacred elm]

https://library.wooting.io/225eb39179848072869fdddc3b9ae808?v=225eb39179848012bc64000c9fe9d9c8

[glacial wind]

yeah, just not shared much because i want to add the sound tests before i pin stuff this week

but it's public

[glacial wind]

also simple link to share is now https://link.wooting.io/soundtests

[tawdry tree]

@tropic urchin switches for rakka, possibly.

[tropic urchin]

Holy royal blue/purple

[sacred elm]

Looks familiar

[tawdry tree]

the fifth recolor now?

[tawdry tree]

it should be purple I think

looks very blue tho

[tropic urchin]

Blurple

[sacred elm]

@tropic urchin Hear me out, these and purple Key83

[tropic urchin]

Not a bad combo

Hopefully they’re good for once

[compact dove]

Is this generally for all wooting boards, or metal/plastic, 60 vs 80 etc.?

[tropic urchin]

But not holding my breath that they’ll replace my fluxies

[tawdry tree]

handlubed they were fineeeee, especially for the price. if freya actually have significantly better stability, then they’re worth the extra cost for sure.

[sacred elm]

All hall effect Wooting keyboards (2HE, 60HE, 60HE+, 60HEv2, 80HE)

[glacial wind]

yeah i test on a 60he first normally to see if it works on the older hardware

or do you mean what will the soundtest be on?

[humble surge]

thought it was LEGO while quickly scrolling through

[glacial wind]

there will basically be a standardised sound test for each of the popular switches. It won't be multiple plates, cases etc - just one sample to keep things simple and have a reference point

[compact dove]

Thank you. So is it that the TECs are better than the Raeds, or just the same but more readily available?

[glacial wind]

they're similar design, raeds stopped producing due to some design issues they're trying to fix iirc

tecsee use a gel pad for their version

i never experienced it, but some folks complained about some plastic popping noises on their raeds

some users in here did say they like the tecsee version a bit more though

[fallen pecan]

the ttc purple hearts are apparently not the most stable clear switch, purple left pink right

kom rgb is a 0.8

[glacial wind]

i think the problem with some of those tests is also they're testing magnetic change at bottom, which can be beneficial to just have weaker magnet ranges and some other shenanigans, so I've kind of gone off those tests a bit

[steady halo]

why u not tagging me

🙁

[glacial wind]

it got to the point where switches started purposely going shorter travel/lower bottom out flux just to win flux tests, which I'm not sure is an actual good way to be measuring stability if people are just going to do that

[obsidian totem]

@tawdry tree

[fallen pecan]

purple hearts are using the newer clip design, could also be that

[glacial wind]

yeah they changed the rail a bit

i'm still half convinced those gateron sparks are so insanely short travel not just because of the plastic cover but because they wanted to win flux tests

so they made the bottom out just crazy lower flux to measure less change at bottom

[tawdry tree]

Gel Pads are just their name afaik. They use the same silicone domes as Raeds, just slightly different curve and weight.

[tawdry tree]

you’re not part of the Fluxies club

you are of the rakka club though, so I’m sorry

[tawdry tree]

🔥🔥

[fallen pecan]

diff magnet specs too