🔧│keyboard_modding

[tropic urchin]

You won’t find creamy like MX builds with the same description, but you can get decent sound on HE nowadays

[glacial wind]

Honestly there’s zero issues with jade pro as your first aftermarket switch

[tropic urchin]

It’s turned into do you want deep or bright clack or the muffled cries of the average silent switch

[glacial wind]

It’s still a very pleasant overall switch

[noble turret]

Deep!

[marsh saffron]

Wait for lekker tikken

[noble turret]

Thanks 🙂

I can see this will be a very dangerous hobby

[glacial wind]

I built a whole keyboard for one of our sponsored folks recently with full Jade pros

They still sound great

[tropic urchin]

The current deep meta is going to be Phylina Thunder (box stem UR ice)/UR ice, raptor v2, tikkens and maybe another switch that’ll come out in a few months

[tidal frigate]

How much wooting sponsored cc there are

[tropic urchin]

There will be a lot of sound tests and wobble tests to go thru, but you should have options Tarik

[glacial wind]

Actually full sponsored ones? Not many

we don’t sponsor much stuff, just recently we’ve sponsored a few podcasts

[tidal frigate]

You said one of our sponsored folks

I only know about tenz and that counterstrike podcast

[glacial wind]

Yeah podcasts have multiple hosts etc

Just one podcast alone is like 10 people if it’s a network of them

Last free nation is an entire library of podcasts in various games

[tidal frigate]

What about non podcasts

[glacial wind]

No idea. I’m not the partnership person but it’s not many outside of giving pros boards and such

wooting does very few actual sponsorships

[tidal frigate]

Well wooting been in netherlands, germany japan, taiwan and china with their booth

When next country

Like Poland

[glacial wind]

does Poland have a big gaming convention?

[tidal frigate]

Yes we do

PGA

[glacial wind]

I mean big as in biggest in Europe type deal

[tidal frigate]

Oh no

[rigid obsidian]

Turns out it was an Alien face hugger skeleton keycap 🤣

[tidal frigate]

But definetly it is one of biggest in area

@glacial wind it is not size of gsmescom tho. Propably like 60k people

There is also 2nd one in same place around fantasy and anime and games. Those are simmiliar in size

[calm pulsar]

that's weird considering Poland invented video games, internet and computers
should be the biggest game fest

[mystic galleon]

i wish that 80he had this little strap on led like 60he does fr i would want to custom it to make it have it if it's possible

[tidal frigate]

Well technicly we made great computers during soviet times but ussr blocked us from exporting them

[tropic urchin]

You can have the strap holder add on with the GT80 case

[mystic galleon]

i mean yeah thanks for that info but i love how ghost case looks

[tidal frigate]

@calm pulsar because we could get too independent

[noble turret]

Omg if I also follow a keyboard meta I’ll definitely risk divorce

But trying different switches after a year wouldn’t be that outlandish I guess

Next battle will be upgrade to gp80 or holy 80 the ghost plastic case

I love the looks of the holy but I guess the sound would be very affected

[tropic urchin]

There aren’t any mandatory mods you have to do, but the only ones that will give your keyboard new life are basically keycaps, new switches or a new plate

[noble turret]

Yeh I finally found some Spanish ISO pbt keycaps

Need to decide between the two now

[tropic urchin]

The ones I listed are just the good deep sounding switches and all aren’t too expensive

[noble turret]

Keyreative kap or glorious gaming

Only two in stock options I found for Spanish ISO

Then stage one of my master plan to invest all my wealth in keyboards will be complete

[tropic urchin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/s/gvcEns76Qg you could try here too

[noble turret]

Thanks I checked that one too but most were clones 🙁

[tropic urchin]

Tuff

[noble turret]

Yeh I’m happy enough I’ll just wait until I find my perfect keycaps

Pudding would be so cool

Backlit double shot if not

[tawdry tree]

The MMD C1s are the deepest of the bunch, you’d like those as well probably and they’re pretty cheap.

[calm pulsar]

oh these are full PC

you think they're better than jade airs?

[tawdry tree]

not perfect but still 100 times better than Jade Airs (no hate).

[sweet oak]

(Maximum hate)

[tawdry tree]

did you get the maximum crunch raptor V2s mango?

[sweet oak]

I have no raptors in my possession atm, ive been living the crunch life outside of keyboards

[tawdry tree]

that sounds like a terrible and unhealthy way to live

how do you manage life without keyboards?

[sacred elm]

MangoHE should come with Raptors preinstalled

Maximum level of crunch 👍

Benched them

[sweet oak]

I would be willing to collaborate…

[tropic urchin]

I might lube my fluxies if I have enough on hand

Since I don’t play OSU I think I should be fine

Bro probably worked off all the factory lube in 30 mins

[sacred elm]

I'm lubing them rn I have lube for few switches though

[tropic urchin]

Get some super lube for springs if you can

Definitely hard not to default to flux FR4, despite their issues they still work almost flawlessly on 80HE

Those rat bastards tho not getting other spring weights is just criminal support for their paying customers 🥀

They assault your wallet and then say “fuck you, we got yours”

Can we get a turbo stability switch that has good long spring with multiple options for weight

Like what

[glacial wind]

It’s time to become a sparker

Spark joy in your keyboard

It’s a pity they’re so pricy

If they were say $70 it would be way easier to pass a a slightly pricy but not crazy expensive switch

[tropic urchin]

Sorry Sno I’ve been led astray by G*teron before.

[tawdry tree]

Non-split “budget” version soonTM

[tropic urchin]

I would’ve tried orchids if they were half decent but if both prince aligner and eccentric Shafie don’t like it then it’s wraps

[glacial wind]

orchids are just another generic box stem honestly

Sparks so far everyone who tried them from gamecom has liked them too

[tropic urchin]

Gateron just needs to put the switch in the grinder and give up

[glacial wind]

But again none of us had to pay to try them so that definitely makes it easier to try lol

[tropic urchin]

I wish I had this Google sheets signup power 🥀

Seems to be the meta

Pretend you have an X following and sign up for free shit

[glacial wind]

I almost added deep clack flux to my aliexpress order recently since I have to add them eventually to sound tests

But I really dislike it when I get to the screen that says $70 for 35 switches

[tropic urchin]

If they actually changed the flux for that I might’ve tried it but idk if I can stomach another purchase

Wuque is smoking some good shit

[glacial wind]

I did finally get around to ordering some taishan gt though

Because I want them to see if they compete for top 3 in the rgb category

[tawdry tree]

its stem is not translucent enough to work as a good diffuser

and it’s blocking half the LED lmao

[glacial wind]

I guess that will make it an easy contest then between that and the ttc purple rgb ones

[tawdry tree]

MMD C1s, UR Studio Ice Ultras, Phylina White Lightnings, TTC KoM RGB, what else

Unionwells

Ah, Durock Rock HEs

[glacial wind]

Yeah I already got all those

[tawdry tree]

Outemu Crystal

[tawdry tree]

and Wukongs too.

[glacial wind]

unionwells I think hard to compete since people buy it for stability and poor sound so you have to be a crazy specific person to like those for rgb

Need to be rgb person, who wants max bottom stability but also doesn’t care about sound or price

[tawdry tree]

C1s are pretty insane

everything except feel

feel would be good if not for the stickiness, it’s smooth otherwise.

[glacial wind]

They are very cheap, at least on the discount

Think it was like $20 for 110

I just got the 110 pack then I can use 90 to build someone’s keyboard and still have 20 for sound testing

[tawdry tree]

even without the crazy discount, they’re $25/90 or so for me rn

[tranquil lake]

Everglide Skyline v3

But i bet mmd C1 will win, especially when it comes to price

[reef lava]

do you guys change your stabs on the 80HE? or just lube the stock ones?

[harsh dove]

Stock stabs are fine, just take your time to lube and tune them if needed, I personally just put Knights Stabs in almost all my boards tho

I have one board with Typeplus xYIKB stabs

Which probably has some of the best stabilizer packaging I've experienced, which is kinda needed since they have special wires, and can't replace them with just any wire if they get bent

[tawdry tree]

Of the $15, half goes to packaging 😂

[harsh dove]

Definitely

[hard cypress]

Hey wooting team and everyone,new guy here. Not sure if this fits here or #🤩│wooting60hev2 but I've got 2 questions about HE switches that may or may not contradict each other?

1. For everyone that attended Computex/Gamescom and visited the Wooting booth to try the 60HEv2: How do they like the new lekkers?

2. For the Wooting team: Are there any plans to start selling some of the more popular HE switches in your store alongside the 60Hev2 launch and possibly being discounted when purchasing them with any of the modules?

[stoic ocean]

Fotnit

[tawdry tree]

I’d post it in #🤩│wooting60hev2 instead, but you can wait to see if you get an answer here.

[little glen]

i think the lekker tikkens are good, they have decent wobble and full travel which is nice

their sound profile is a bit too deep for my personal liking but if you like that it's perfect

i'm personally going to buy them and swap the bottoms for others that have a brighter sound profile

[trail bane]

Gn

https://tenor.com/view/feednanyangi-nanyangi-luna-jaemin-luna-sleepy-nanyangi-sleepy-gif-1596089920556574778

Back to school soon

[little glen]

uni soon

[supple moat]

i haz this as of 10 minutes ago, instantly hate how loud the spacebar is compared to the rest of the keys. was told i can add foam. where and how? do i put it like IN the spacebar? or do i just pop the spacebar off and lay it right there? or do i need to take the keeb apart?

[stoic ocean]

Inside the space bar keycaps

Can maybe help u

Try with tape or foam

[supple moat]

ya if it's just because its a large hollow space, that should work i thinks

[stoic ocean]

Try this tbh i never have this issue so maybe i talk sht

[tulip rapids]

buy lube and lube the spacebar stabs

[lyric nimbus]

what the shit

$387 for lacquer cerakeys

😭

[little glen]

Tht shit better have gold leaf in it or some shit

[marsh saffron]

gold leaf is actually super cheap 😭

not even that would be worth it

[tropic urchin]

That’s the price of drip

[spiral crater]

is the wooting default tape mod reattachable? i got a modding kit that had this plastic sheet that was like tape mod and stuck it to the original tape mod but i have screw in stabs and i need to take em out..

got to relube, still some ping n rattle

[sacred elm]

Yes, you can reapply it later

[cobalt gate]

what switch sounds the most like the lego brick sound effect thats compatible with the Wooting 60HE?

[spiral crater]

js plain ol glue?

[sacred elm]

Don't use glue. PET film will be still sticky

[fallen pecan]

new latency test of the hm61z, sayo k64 and m6pro+

[stiff ivy]

Guys uhh? Been sitting with a stock 60HE+ with wasd gateron jade for a while. I mainly play FPS games, are there any switches that feels good or are there any mods I should do to the keyboard? I wanna try modding it for once but I don’t know what to buy or where to start.

[sacred elm]

Try different switches, Owlab Ti for example.

[stiff ivy]

Been looking at the Kom Poms, been hearing they are great for FPS games

[sacred elm]

Switches have same performance. TTC KOM sound is not for everyone. If you care about the sound, get something else.

[stiff ivy]

I mean for me sound is second to feel. I play CS and I’m mostly worried about the feeling of the switches. My current ones are ok and are good enough but I’d want something a bit sturdier.

[sacred elm]

If you want a switch with very small stem wobble, Gateron Spark is good, but they're expensive.

[stiff ivy]

Heard good things about the raptor by geon tbh.

[stiff ivy]

How expensive?

[sacred elm]

Right now they're $95 for 70pc

[stiff ivy]

wtf, that’s expensive

Are the raptors good

[sacred elm]

They're fine. Some Raptors might have spring crunch, you can feel it while bottoming out.

Owlab Ti is safer option imo

Affordable, good sound and wobble.

[stiff ivy]

Performance wise are they are better than the jades? (Stability, spring feeling,etc..)?

[sacred elm]

Yes, Owlab Ti's are more stable than Jades and they feel better.

[tulip rapids]

wooting made this happened

https://tenor.com/view/win-champion-racing-f1-driver-gif-8158264

[trail bane]

Gm

[spiral crater]

ohhhh just rip off only the PET film instead of the tape mod too? cuz rn its pcb then tape mod then film

[safe stag]

You need to handlube them to make them good

[trail bane]

Today is a Day!

[spice plover]

Where that ow60 stock I’m drooling

[tranquil lake]

Can someone translate what that orange and blue graph means?

[trail bane]

Maybe I’m finally stopping the edging of my build, and I’ll finish it

[trail bane]

If I remember correctly blue one is latency on key press and orange one is latency on key release

[spice plover]

🍊 = latency 🟦 = latency on key release

[tranquil lake]

Thank you!

[spice plover]

I stole that front lander but made it prettier

[tawdry tree]

That’s correct.

[trail bane]

Fuck

[trail bane]

Thanks dad

[glacial wind]

Next week is launch

[spice plover]

Holyyy right from the website ?

I’m so so excited

[glacial wind]

Yep. Will be an email going out to everyone on the owlab mailing list from before and also will be announced on discord and socials

Tuesday is the day

[spice plover]

Think I should try to sign up or just wait till announcement

I want to buy it the second it pops up

[glacial wind]

can do both

[fallen pecan]

Blue = actuation latency Orange = release latency

[fallen pecan]

ttc getting into pcbs now

[tidal frigate]

How you are getting those pics

[chilly mural]

Chinese social media maybe

[calm pulsar]

are those holes in the pcb?

[fallen pecan]

weibo

[chilly mural]

Ttc following gateron plans. Hopefully it's good

[calm pulsar]

its mediocre at best
0.08ms of delay is too much for me

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-your-mouth-you-mediocre-clarinet-player-gif-22975439

[spiral crater]

VERY quick question, for wooting 80he do i screw in right shift or enter stabs first? cuz they very tight

using the typeplus x yikb if that matters

[rigid obsidian]

Are owlab ti not good?

[tropic urchin]

They’re fine and still relatively new

[rigid obsidian]

But not the best

Damn thought they were so just bought them a few days ago

[tropic urchin]

Their top wobble is pretty good, but their bottom wobble is lil wobbly if you press down hard

[glacial wind]

There’s no such thing as best really. It’s just what folks prefer sound and feel wise

some focus on stability, some specific sound, some like particular stem types etc etc

That list image is in no particular order, all the options are just very different but recommended ones to try

[stiff ivy]

So uhh owlab Ti go?

Which version should I go for if I’m currently using the original jades? 40 or 50g

[sacred elm]

Jades are 50g, if you want lighter than that get 40g Owlabs

[stiff ivy]

I hope this can improve the uncertain feeling whenever I counter-strafe

[tropic urchin]

Owlabs have swappable springs, so for example if you don’t like 50g spring option you can buy 42.5g geon pingless which is 100% compatible. Or if you buy 40g, you can get 52.5g geon pingless as well.

I’d go 50g if you want a safe pick that you can experiment with lighter springs later if you want

[stiff ivy]

I don’t really want to open and swap springs since I’m a bit lazy and will probably ruin everything.

[stiff ivy]

Thank you!

[tropic urchin]

So just get 50g

[stiff ivy]

What do you think I should get for case replacement?

[tropic urchin]

As in switches?

[stiff ivy]

Keyboard case

[tropic urchin]

Oh

Do you have 80 or 60HE

[stiff ivy]

Mine is a 60!

[spiral crater]

GET THE ACRYLIC TOFU 60 CASE IT LOOKS SOOOO GOOD

[sacred elm]

You can get Optimum case if you like it, or wait for new 60HE v2 case, which will be sold separately. It will have more color options.

There's also Tofu60 Redux

[stiff ivy]

I don’t really like the optimum case

[tropic urchin]

The popular picks so far are tofu/salvation/optimum and the OW60 (very expensive)

[safe stag]

And gt60 from kdbfan

[spiral crater]

TRUST THE TOFU 60 or the holy 60

[tropic urchin]

Ooo yeah GT60 as well

[stiff ivy]

I’m poor, I live in third world country so probably anything less than 60 dollars

[spiral crater]

tofu 60 redux is 60 bucks usd

[stiff ivy]

Heard good things about it, are there any options that has a place for the strap?

[fallen pecan]

frog leggera t but no strap

[sacred elm]

There are cheap aluminum cases on AliExpress with a strap holder, you can check those out.

[stiff ivy]

32 dollars for 61 owlab ti 50g switch w/l?

Oh also might I ask if the factory lube is any good?

[tropic urchin]

I didn’t notice any issues so I think it’s probably good

[stiff ivy]

Wait do I need 61 or 70 switch

[tropic urchin]

70 will give you extras in case any switch gets fucked up, I believe the rule of thumb for 60he is 70 and 80HE is 90

[stiff ivy]

Ok ok got it

[tropic urchin]

Better to have more and not need it than get exactsies and need more

[stiff ivy]

Tbh I thought it was really nice of Wooting to give us 3 spare lekkers. Back then I didn’t think that the most valuable thing in the 60HE is the board

Was a newbie back then

Afraid to have to order a whole new keyboard or change something when a key dies

35 dollars for 70 owlab tis good?

[tropic urchin]

Yeah it’s nice to have a mod friendly board and not have to replace the entire thing if it’s soldered on and you have no means to remove any defective part

[stiff ivy]

That’s why I chose Wooting over the other Chinese knockoffs that are like 70% cheaper

[tropic urchin]

I think it’s fine

$40-45 per 90 per Sno’s chart so 35 for 70 tracks MSRP

[stiff ivy]

They didn’t sell Wootings back in my country back then, nearly bought the other one by Polar something something

Bit the bullet to have it shipped from Netherlands but never really looked back.

[stiff ivy]

Niceee

Woah, why is the Owlab ti like way cheaper than the other ones sold on Wooting’s website

[tropic urchin]

Lekkers are kind of similar range, Wooting doesn’t control the price of Jades (outdated and expensive), same with their TTC x Wooting POM collab ($1 per switch, but has good stability)

Geon raw was the old budget friendly, high performance king that got replaced by owlab/raptor v2 atm

As a rule of thumb you can safely fade any Gateron release as you can expect kind of mid performance for higher than necessary pricing

[stiff ivy]

Oh, I thought the jades were good. Only bought 4 of them for the WASD keys though. Now I wanted to actually mod and not just change out stuff

[tropic urchin]

Back when it was just Lekkers, Raptor V1s and Jades they were decent, but now there’s so many options now for HE

[marsh saffron]

And or it's just a recolor

[tropic urchin]

True

[spiral crater]

i really recommend getting the foam/plate kit for the wootings, it does change the sound of the board A LOT imo

[stiff ivy]

What do you guys think about the l45 V2s.

[marsh saffron]

They are lekkers, its alright

[stiff ivy]

I really do not have the budget if I’m buying the case along with switches

[tropic urchin]

I think owlabs will have better tolerances and less wobble, but lekkers are fine if you like their sound profile

I do enjoy 45g springs over 40 and 50g

[spiral crater]

not now, like later on down the line if you want to change smth, see if you like where the sound is at right now but if you dont then yeah, thats an option

[stiff ivy]

Sound is probably second to me tbh. I want a performance first and good sound/aesthetic is a good bonus.

[tropic urchin]

Definitely owlabs

[marsh saffron]

Ti he clears

[tropic urchin]

Can’t go wrong for your first switch

[marsh saffron]

Coffee switches 🔥 🔥

[stiff ivy]

Damn but those switches look amazing if I go for different Keycap

Oh wait fuck I haven’t thought about keycaps and their price as well

[marsh saffron]

Have fun...

😭

[tropic urchin]

Smh what happened here

[spiral crater]

you can get a nice cheap but okay set off of ali express, i think its called aifei or ghost smth

[marsh saffron]

Idk its got quite a few bruises 😭

[tropic urchin]

I’d stick with Wooting default keycaps if you’re on a budget and it fits what you want aesthetically

[stiff ivy]

Once bought a keycap kit, i didn’t even touch it again since it was too slippery and feels a bit worse than the default keycaps

[tropic urchin]

Don’t get too crazy with it and get what you want later if you have more disposable income to make a fun build

[marsh saffron]

@sacred elm I finally bought an oled

After 2 years of talking about it

[safe stag]

You can probably use the keycaps from your previous keyboard

[stiff ivy]

I’m gonna take a shower, will come back with more questions.

[spiral crater]

depends, i have two different sets of pbt keycaps but the finish does feel very different on them

[stiff ivy]

My previous one was a cheap like 30 dollar keyboard so uhh

[safe stag]

If it works it works

[stiff ivy]

Yeah the current Wooting keycaps aren’t that bad

[marsh saffron]

My abs caps from pbtfans feel wayyy better than my wooting caps, and even more so than the shitty pbt ones I had beforehand

Starting to smooth out now

But the sound profile on abs still clears imo

[stiff ivy]

Tbh i play competitive games so what probably matters most is feels

[spiral crater]

whats the sound profile like? i thought it was higher pitched?

[stiff ivy]

But a good sound is never bad

[marsh saffron]

Its higher pitched but sounds cleaner to me

[spiral crater]

ahhhh i might look into some nice abs keycap then, using a KAM set right now but i love the finish but i think ik what you mean by cleaner, it does sound a bit muddy (but these are thick asf so maybe that why too)

[marsh saffron]

Abs was just the cherry on top to make it sound more lively

Got even better when I went to the tee hees

[tropic urchin]

I’m getting some dye sub PBTfans keycaps in a couple weeks so will be interesting to try proper PBT caps

[marsh saffron]

The most "proper" pbt i tried was wootings

Which is better than cheap pbt but dont think itd compare to the pricier stuff

[tropic urchin]

I’ve heard from some that dyesub is the one you want over double shot, but if Pbtfans can’t make PBT keycaps good then the name should be retired

[spiral crater]

if you can try KAM sets or KAT sets, ive tried a lot of PBT keycaps, but these have been so far the best (supply and price is a bit fked tho )

[marsh saffron]

Tbh im never buying keycaps again

[tropic urchin]

I do like the feel of GMK over my abs ronin set, but salt lake is too good to pass up color wise

[marsh saffron]

Xray my beloved

[chilly mural]

time to change name to POMfans

[tropic urchin]

KBDfans don’t miss tho, so I trust their work to be good

[safe stag]

Take a look at pbs keycaps on Cannonkeys

[tropic urchin]

I feel like I’m looking at the old person iPhone 500% magnified text option when looking at PBS

[glacial wind]

As long as it’s not really thin 5 side dye sub it’s usually all good as far as dye sub vs doubleshot honestly

The really thin poor quality 5 sided dye sub on some of those aliexpress keycaps scratches easily and looks pretty bad when worn

[safe stag]

Wdym by that

[tropic urchin]

It has a weird look to it

It looks very blown up

[calm pulsar]

yaint seen nothin

[tropic urchin]

Not bad but not my particular taste

[sacred elm]

bleh

[tropic urchin]

Oh lords no

I take back what I said

[safe stag]

I like thing that look weird, and I’ve worse to show

[tropic urchin]

wtf is that

[sacred elm]

Show us

[glacial wind]

Very nice keycaps for grandma. She can see the letters easily

[tropic urchin]

Jamal put away the Jade maxes

[safe stag]

I got this for a time as my daily keyboard

[marsh saffron]

God damn, got the Noah's ark with that fucking curvature

[tropic urchin]

No comment

[sacred elm]

Drunkdeer keycaps😭

[safe stag]

I keep them in cas I need them (I’ll never need them)

[marsh saffron]

Off brand Lego keycaps 🔥

[safe stag]

Deadline studio doys fyi

[marsh saffron]

Honestly I kinda fuck with those

[calm pulsar]

those are nuphy

[tropic urchin]

This also gives me like a weird keyboard trypophobia even tho it has no holes

[sacred elm]

Yeah, but they look like those disgusting stock Drunkdeer keycaps

[safe stag]

I wanted to test F10 profile but the price as bad as fluxes

[calm pulsar]

ah, I only remember their first boards having standard cherry looking legends I think

lmao look at these arrows

[safe stag]

The typo is brilliant

[tropic urchin]

I need to go back to sleep and wake up again bro

wtf

[stiff ivy]

Hmm, now that I notice the sound, yeah the base wooting is really clickly clacky, the sound sounds "cheap" for some reasons.

[safe stag]

You started your day on 3 brain cells and now you want to reboot

[supple moat]

is a bottom out of 100grams insane? i'm thinking about changing the springs in my lekker 2 switches

[tropic urchin]

No I started my day feeling good and now after seeing these abominations it’s ruined

[cyan lark]

That just means it can only go up from here

You should thank them

[tropic urchin]

If you’re not using cerakeys I’d say so

[safe stag]

https://spkeyboards.com/cdn/shop/files/f10_flex.jpg?v=1748471420&width=1080

[stiff ivy]

wtf is this

[safe stag]

[supple moat]

do you know they have a sample pack i can buy?

[cyan lark]

I think those are thocky keycaps? Or maybe marbly.

[tropic urchin]

I think the lekker spring pack is a good place to start, think it goes up to 80-90g

[calm pulsar]

I think they are clickly clackly

[cyan lark]

Good point

[safe stag]

Bricky

[calm pulsar]

true

[safe stag]

Typing on DS Doys was already shit, I can’t imagine how bad typing on theses is

[unkempt mountain]

Hey

Just got my hands on a wooting 80HE, first time having a keyboard like this and never modded one, any recommandation ? even tho I like default sound, maybe design would be good so if any good recommandation for keycaps or idk, i take 👀

[cyan lark]

TIL it's a 3-day weekend. What a triumphant moment for the human spirit.

[left depot]

keycaps are really a personal preference imo, when it comes to switches etc. it might depends on what you value more

#🪛│modding_faq message

^might check this graph

[supple moat]

is there a way i can order a sample pack of different spring stiffness for my lekker v2 switches? the ones i see on the wooting website are $15 for a whole set, but i don't know if i really want that weight or not.

[tropic urchin]

Try different plate material (FR4 for nice stiffness to sound ratio), switches (depending on your preference of stem wobble and sound) and keycaps

[unkempt mountain]

Well yeah keycaps are more personnal, but other's opinion is always welcomed :)
The switches honestly, I'm not sure I care that much, actual ones are pretty good, I like them

[stiff ivy]

Will just changing the switches change the clicky clacky sound of the 60HE?

I think it sounds pretty cheap

[left depot]

#1070668460905988106 maybe you can check here for inspiration (:

keycap wise

[marsh saffron]

Switches are probably the biggest sound change you can do

[unkempt mountain]

I'm more into trying new design than sound, so i exclude switches, i'm fine with the default ones !! If you have any keycap/plate recommandation link/pic or idk, I'd take a look :)

[left depot]

I personally really like the once that I have, but I also understand theyre not everyone's taste

[unkempt mountain]

Okayyy thanks<33

[stiff ivy]

Hmm, should I do switch first then case or just do both at once?

[marsh saffron]

If you can comfortably buy both at once I would

But you dont need to

[stiff ivy]

Also stock foam good or bad your opinion

[marsh saffron]

Its more than most gaming keyboards will ever have

But I swapped to tofu foam when I got my tofu

[stiff ivy]

included?

[marsh saffron]

Yeah

[stiff ivy]

nice

[sacred elm]

I'd say try friction fit pad too, but I doubt it will be compatible with your case, if you're getting it from AliExpress. It would make the sound softer and more consistent.

[cyan lark]

Seconding friction fit pad if it's compatible w/ your case. That and switches will have a huge impact on feel/sound.

[marsh saffron]

Im gonna swap to friction pad once I get 60v2

[stiff ivy]

Hmm, what if I just keep the base case and change the keycaps and add the friction fit pad (though I doubt it's available where I live)

[marsh saffron]

Gummy oring doing me good on my v1

[stiff ivy]

Is it a huge upgrade over the 60HE+ ?

[sacred elm]

Unfortunately friction fit pad isn't compatible with the stock plastic case.

[stiff ivy]

Ah gg

[marsh saffron]

Sound its going to be

Typing feel probably to

Performance no

[stiff ivy]

ah, bought the 60he 2 years too soon 🥀\

[marsh saffron]

I got mine in 2023 as well lol

[cyan lark]

IMO unless you're going for split on the 60v2 I don't think it's worth an upgrade over 60HE+

[marsh saffron]

Im only doing it because im on 60 non plus

[sacred elm]

Sound and feel wise, yes. Performance difference won't be noticeable.

[stiff ivy]

My shitty keyboard broke back then, might as well upgrade to something I will use for a long time

[sacred elm]

But you can mod your 60HE+ and it will be just as good.

[cyan lark]

Biggest changes from my perspective are the friction fit being included and switches, both of which you could get for like, what, $65?

[marsh saffron]

I want screw in stabs, even though it probably won't make a difference

[stiff ivy]

Yeah, this is what I am looking to do. Really wanna personalize my keyboard.

Uhh any good case so I can keep the default keycaps? Also is the wobbling problem part keycaps?

[cyan lark]

Yes, and no

[sacred elm]

Switches

[cyan lark]

wobble stems from the switches

[marsh saffron]

Get ti he 👍 👍

[stiff ivy]

the clicky clacky of the stock 60he is because of the switches?

[stiff ivy]

Already on its way!

[marsh saffron]

W

[cyan lark]

I'm not gonna litigate what is/isn't clack, but the switches contribute a huge amount to the sound

[stiff ivy]

Also I've never mod before, can anyone guide me once my stuff came lmao, really worried about damaging my board

[marsh saffron]

I forgot how impatient I was with shipping

[stiff ivy]

I waited for the wooting for like 3 months

[marsh saffron]

Ordered my monitor yesterday and im already trying to check tbe tracking 😭 😭 😭

[stiff ivy]

I'd say I'm pretty patient

[stiff ivy]

Oled?

[cyan lark]

Just ask in here, folks will help

[marsh saffron]

I waited 2.5 for the keyboard, my keycaps was a solid 5 month or more wait

[marsh saffron]

Yeah

Im fiending

[stiff ivy]

5 MONTHS? KEYCAPS?

[marsh saffron]

Need that shit now

[marsh saffron]

Yeah

It was a pre order

[stiff ivy]

Damn, I really want to upgrade to an Oled screen. Feels like my current IPS one is holding my PC's true capability

[marsh saffron]

I found a really good deal on one

[cyan lark]

I've been waiting for my lovely Motif's for 6 months so far, still waiting

[marsh saffron]

586 instead of like 750 (pre tax)

[stiff ivy]

Oh dang, I wasn't familiar with the keycap game

[cyan lark]

I suggest you remain that way, it's a waste of time and money

[stiff ivy]

Tbh I probably couldn't afford those so uhh might as well stick with what I have

[marsh saffron]

Group buy/pre orders can take a while with keycaps...

[stiff ivy]

oh...

[marsh saffron]

I likely won't do it again

[tropic urchin]

The group buy process is not for the faint of heart

But here I am always coming back

[marsh saffron]

160$ and 5 months later pbtfans xray is the one

[sacred elm]

Probably save up and get the new 60HE v2 case. It's friction fit compatible and looks nice.

There will be three color options: White, black and bright silver.

[marsh saffron]

My beloved

[stiff ivy]

But my current keycaps are black

So I just get the switches first?

[sacred elm]

You can get black case.

If you like black, sure.

[marsh saffron]

Not the greatest of photos

[stiff ivy]

so save up for the new 60 v2 cases and right now just change out the switches?

[cyan lark]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-sorry-gif-23912532

[sacred elm]

Yes 👍 Save up and get v2 case and friction fit pad. Will be better than AliExpress case.

[noble turret]

Can I ask your opinion? Backlit vs non backlit keycaps for the 80HE and why one or the other?

[cyan lark]

whispers the name Selene on the cool breeze

[stiff ivy]

Was probably going for the Tofu Redux but yeah, this option sounds better long term

[tropic urchin]

Backlit doesn’t have a lot of good 3rd party options (outside of Wooting or I guess X-rays), but you get a lot more customization and fun sets if you go nonbacklit

Backlit consists of like pudding keycaps which aren’t very good and other similar ones

[noble turret]

Oh pudding are considered bad? May I ask why?

[marsh saffron]

Oh wait no

I didnt say that shut up

Read that as shine through...

[tropic urchin]

Just cheaper build quality, all personal preference at the end of the day

Some ppl like pudding and that’s enough for them

But that’s the main reason

You just get more options

And then for specific ISO language keycaps your options are even more limited usually

[cyan lark]

I imagine pudding would play a little more evenly than other shine-through caps where you can get less optimal results with the LED and legends not lining up

(not a recommendation or antirecommendation)

[mental salmon]

Hi @noble turret were you trying to find spanish keycaps, is that correct?

[noble turret]

Yes my friend

So far I found Glorious gaming and KAP wob

[mental salmon]

Only place I have seen customization for spanish keycaps is here:

https://yuzukeycaps.com/creations/firefly

but I have not purchased there, I got there because the creator released a set I like in Drop, but you can take a look

[tropic urchin]

Oooo that set is nice

[stray tiger]

Did you guys see the new Omnitype design labs? You can build your board and see it exactly as it will look including keycaps.

[kind helm]

@polar girder is your mouse cable still working?
my taobao cable just broke, swapped back to the original op1 cable.

i am kinda wondering is there a reason why the company make thickboi cable instead of thin one like those from the aftermarket? because my cable kinda broke randomly, wasnt doing big swipe or anything crazy

[polar girder]

I just bought a new mouse instead lol

They sent me a replacement cable but I CBA

[kind helm]

alright rich man

[polar girder]

Probably just replace it and sell it tbh

[kind helm]

what mouse you on now

i thought you were using that fancy german made one thats like 300 dolla

[polar girder]

G-wolves fenrir asym

Yeah I was

[kind helm]

kinda expected that to last forever since its so fckin expensive

[polar girder]

But I had cable issue, sensor issue and click issue

So I’m fucking over it

[kind helm]

300+ btw

[polar girder]

Well I bought the modkit and 3d printed shell

But yeah still like $225 or something

Pretty disappointing

[kind helm]

i just bought this shell

unfortunately cables are out of stock from both the shell store site and the cable's own store site

going back to fat boi cable now

[kind helm]

i just searched it, damn its still 20g while being wireless?

hows the battery life lookin on that thing

[tropic urchin]

Ah the Rolex configuration tool for keyboards that’s cool

[polar girder]

Ah damn

[polar girder]

Nice that’s what’s up

Yeah I lowkey wish I still had my op1 and I would buy a shell for it

But it’s gone

Yeah it’s killer

Battery life fine. I switched to 2k polling and charge it whenever I’m not gaming tho

[noble turret]

Thanks!!

[polar girder]

So idk tbh

[stray tiger]

It's so nice. Now we need to get Wooting to do it too

[kind helm]

need to wait to see if lethal gear or that other company restock. i haven't look up lethal gear stuff in a while, not sure if they fixed their issue yet

[noble turret]

Omg

They’re beautiful

And you can customise?!

[polar girder]

Yeah yuzu is goated for that

[kind helm]

2k polling is gud enough for 500fps gaming iirc. "gud enough" in the sense that even a fast swipe should not cost a hit to be ignored.

[polar girder]

PMM has a nice cord but I think it’s usb-c

I bought the lethal cord for my viper but I can’t find it lol

Kind of need to tho

[cyan lark]

That's fucking rad

[kind helm]

W info as always

yea it doesnt work for mine but i like the way they made it

it doesn't expose the wires inside

[polar girder]

Yeah it seems well received

Just got an update also

[north girder]

new case

[tropic urchin]

Completes the WLmouse aesthetic very well, nice job

[tulip rapids]

where u buy big floof cat plushie?

[north girder]

its from my gf

[sacred elm]

W sleeve

[tulip rapids]

how do i ask your gf where she bought it

[north girder]

ye got it on gamescom from the wooting peeppol

and i tried the new key caps and i think i like it more

[tulip rapids]

gt80 case?

[north girder]

yep

[tulip rapids]

dont dodge the question about the plushie

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-stare-goku-prowler-meme-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-gif-18350082799688004663

[marsh saffron]

beastx 💪

[north girder]

she got gifted a sushi cat with 4 of those kittens in its zipper belly pouch so idk

[tulip rapids]

ty ty

[north girder]

@left depot what is this blasphemy

[kind helm]

probably for spam bot n stuff

[north girder]

https://a.co/d/15dHzA3

[tulip rapids]

may your setup last for thousand of years to come

truly a Hongdae certified gentlemen

[north girder]

yes it shall be the last remaining relic of our civilization

[marsh saffron]

fellow max enjoyer 🤝

[north girder]

best x max for max gains

has anybody tried the raptor v2 switches?

[sacred elm]

Yeah, they're very tight, maybe even too tight, because you can feel spring rubbing against the bottom housing on some switches

[north girder]

well i dont mind im sold

[sacred elm]

They're good 👍

[tropic urchin]

I've only noticed the spring crunch sensation on only two keys during normal gaming (not OSU) and its only on W/S keys for me. so if it does happen, you could swap it out for 1-2 other switches that feel similar to you

other than that they've been great (that issue isnt 100% consistent for me and only happens sometimes)

but I think they're worth trying considering they're cheap

[north girder]

or i just buy more than the exact number of switches

[tropic urchin]

you can swap it out (i did a few times but it didnt change much), its either a spring issue or a design issue and im leaning more towards design

[tropic urchin]

back to this issue of the design being too tight and the spring rubbing bc it doesnt have enough room to go anywhere comfortably

it has better bottom wobble when it doesnt have the weird spring thing than owlabs and sound better imo on wooting, but i will be crucified by a few ti he truthers in here for that take but im the perfect man to hold at the stake for that opinion

[north girder]

well im only into them because of tightness since i want my switches to be as tight as possible for movement etc

[tropic urchin]

yeah they're definitely a good starting point for that imo

[noble turret]

@mental salmon YOU ARE AMAZING

This yuzu keycaps is so cool!

Sorry if I’m being dumb, is there an option to make the letters shine through?

[tropic urchin]

probably not

you can see the RGB just fine without the shine thru

you're not going to find what you need as shine through, its already a losing battle if you're ANSI, let alone spanish ISO

[noble turret]

I might get those then! They look fantastic

Are yuzu good quality keycaps?

[tropic urchin]

if it doesnt say its UV printed id say they're probably good

[stray tiger]

New set coming soon - https://thekeymachine.com/products/005

[tropic urchin]

holy wingdings

[polar girder]

UV printed?

[stray tiger]

No clue. No one has seen the set yet. Im assuming just the novs

[sweet oak]

Reminds me of this

[tropic urchin]

Cam Newton wants to know your location mango

[mental salmon]

They have nice sets but hope someone in the chat can confirm the quality, so far I have only tried drop and one GMK

[dusty pebble]

i like the astrolight more kinda? while the jade pro sound more 'clean/smooth' and are marblier.

though the gateron sparks are also pretty nice - they're less loud than jade pro and are kind of an upgrade THOUGH maybe its just time to relube my jade pros xd

[north girder]

if u like jades u shouldnt get sparks and instead wait

[unborn phoenix]

Hey guys so I am new to keyboards and I got my 80he and got the plastic case thinking it would be easier to carry around (I learned my lesson quickly). I plan on swapping my switches and my case all at once and wanted to ask about 80he case recommendations

not entirely sure if this goes in wooting80he or here

[sacred elm]

People really like KBDfans GT-80

[little glen]

I am people

Would also recommend a travel case if you want to take it with you to places

(Tho personally i think a 60% board is better for travel)

[tropic urchin]

If you envision swapping things around every so often (switches, keycaps etc) the GT80 is quite honestly gods gift to humanity

[unborn phoenix]

I like swapping switches a lot so i might consider

[tropic urchin]

Oh yeah definitely bc the case screws for zinc or plastic just SUCK

[paper bloom]

If you wanna get a 80HE for a travel id say check it in with ur luggage

[tropic urchin]

And it’s this easy to take it off

[paper bloom]

if its the case for like travelling and what not id say go for a travel case and keep plastic

[unborn phoenix]

ye but im ngl i tried my friend's 80he which is the same except zinc and i swear it sounded much better

[paper bloom]

zinc is heavy tho

[unborn phoenix]

gt80 isnt much different then ig?

[paper bloom]

u cld try KBDFAN's stuff

lemme see

[unborn phoenix]

k i cant lie that is nice

[tropic urchin]

Plastic just doesn’t sound good imo

[paper bloom]

apologies idk about the weight and idk what the fuck im yapping about

i'll just keep it simple just run the GT80 case its p good

[tropic urchin]

Zinc is heavy you are right, GT80 is slightly less heavy

[paper bloom]

Thats good to know because im using zinc myself and theres no difference to me 😂

esp when it comes to steel and zinc for weight wise unless u compare it

lightly

[tropic urchin]

Zinc is cool and all but the case screws ruined it for me

That and white zinc v1 chips 😭

[paper bloom]

I thought they fixed it with the v2

[tropic urchin]

I have the V1

[paper bloom]

o no wonder

RIP

The screws location are chill for me actually since its gasket mounted

[tropic urchin]

It’s not the locations but it takes 10 years to take off and put on again

[paper bloom]

I dont have this issue wtf i just run a nanch screw bit in and im done

[tropic urchin]

Then you have to press down on each location to make sure it fits, I can’t be bothered after 5-8 times of that

Vs popping it on and off

[paper bloom]

Wait how did u pop it on and took it off

[tropic urchin]

It has a ball catch system

So you just pull up slightly on the side of the case and it pops off

[paper bloom]

ik that but im saying like how did u do it from the bottom up

or did u do the ENTIRE THING

to pop it off

the technique

[tropic urchin]

It’s hard to do at first, but I kinda wiggle my fingers in by the brass weight they give you

[paper bloom]

o i c

[tropic urchin]

Once you do it enough times it’s pretty easy

KBDfans are the goats ong

[paper bloom]

Yeah okay thats something new for me esp when it comes to it cuz im running the wooting zinc

and so far i am not having any issues with it

[tropic urchin]

If you’re someone like me that likes to swap plates every now and again the case screws on zinc got old very fast

[paper bloom]

Yeah thas valid

[tropic urchin]

But another thing I love on the GT80 is the lightsaber LED bar option

Shit is just magical looking

[little glen]

Real

I swapped to an fr4 plate and i dont think i‘m ever going back to pc 🤢

[tropic urchin]

Real shit

@sacred elm jumpscare

[little glen]

Why cant someone make a super premium 80he case with pc top and copper bottom

Then i can spend a fortune on that

[sacred elm]

PC is only good with Fluxies

I don't use it with other switches

[little glen]

Poop is only good with pee

[sacred elm]

Shitting on switches without trying them 🔥

[little glen]

Cant be good if it cost that much

Also werent you having issues with them anyway or was that someone else

[tropic urchin]

Idk I’ve tried jade maxes, RAWs, Jade pros, POMs, Flux, Owlab and Raptors and flux mogs all of them (sans raptors, but the spring is annoying)

[little glen]

Im ngl

I didnt like the raptors

At least sound wise

[tropic urchin]

They’re a little soft for my taste, but sound is fine for a deeper clack

[little glen]

Dont want deeper clack

[paper bloom]

why cant i get the damascus 80HE case

😭

[little glen]

[tropic urchin]

It’s unfortunate the first S tier top and bottom wobble nonbox switch also has crunchy springs

[little glen]

Lets put all our power together and lobby the custom keyboard community to make 80he layout standard and come out with some more epic options we can get

[little glen]

Yeah

Ima be honest i went right back to my rawhuks with the fr4 plate

[tropic urchin]

I might do the same with flux when I get to hand lube em to try with FR4

Will just use raptor flux rotation

[little glen]

I will definitely buy 180 tikken switches when they come out so i can make some duhuk bottom tikken stem frankenswitches

And have an extra set stock

[tropic urchin]

If you don’t like raptors why are you getting tikken which is going to be a similar deep profile

[little glen]

Did you read the whole message

Duhuk bottom

[tropic urchin]

I can’t read you know this

[little glen]

4mm travel

With duhuk bottom

= sex

[tawdry tree]

I remember Thockson saying that the Duhuk top changes the sound too slightly, with Rawhuks. So perhaps Tikken stem with Duhuk housing, rather than just Duhuk bottom?

👀

[little glen]

Possible

I‘d have to open all the other rawhuks

But doable

I think itll be

Tikken stem + spring

Duhuk housing

And then i have a bunch of either raws with duhuk stem and tikken with raw stem

Or tikken with duhuk stem and some raws

Tikken with duhuk stem sounds super cursed tbh

[tropic urchin]

My brother had some MX tactile switches with his mx board that I got to try and they do feel interesting, but I’ll never get onboard with Raeds

They got some work to do

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree wonder if i got raquel to do switchy eurotour

In 2026

[tawdry tree]

Jade Emeralds will be similar to mech tactiles. You can try those for $2.50 a piece when they release.

[paper bloom]

indeed

[tropic urchin]

You had me at Jade

Nice try Mia

[chilly mural]

sparkies on sale already

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree well Poland have like two kinda big conventions in region

[tropic urchin]

Gateron saw Wuque prices and thought “wow we’re slacking”

[chilly mural]

$1.4 switch this time, about same as price as flux discounted

[tropic urchin]

It’s a Gateron switch at the end of the day

Big pass

Already have my expensive 90 pc

[chilly mural]

idk if this is the proper price but seems okay

has marketing image and all

[tropic urchin]

Darkest RGB of all time Inc

[tawdry tree]

oh wtf, already released

I missed that

[chilly mural]

still 'sold out' so it's not 'released' yet

[tawdry tree]

oh

it’s on tb already

[chilly mural]

does Sno already got it?

[tawdry tree]

their own store and ali store later probably

[tawdry tree]

don’t think so

[tidal frigate]

@tawdry tree well those conventions are like 60k yearly

[chilly mural]

@glacial wind wen jade emerald test.

[tidal frigate]

How i remember, before covid those had like 100k

[tawdry tree]

are they for tech too?

never heard of it

[tidal frigate]

Pga tech games esports and some weeb shit

Pyrkon eveything - esports

[chilly mural]

mmm, wooting should go poland

[tidal frigate]

I didnt know pga renting space per m2 is that cheap

@tawdry tree and we love getting free stuff

So wooting booth would be swarmed

[tawdry tree]

🇮🇩🇮🇩🇮🇩

[tawdry tree]

if many people come, why wouldn’t woot go

[chilly mural]

straps for all!!

[tawdry tree]

seems pretty cool

[tidal frigate]

And it could be even biggest booth for wooting

Because for small one like 25m2 is the same as 50m2 on pga

[tidal frigate]

First they would have to get higher score requirement for switchy tax fraud game

In Poland only

To like 150 minimum

Or they will be out of everything first day

@tawdry tree also if you dont rent room in hotel like 3 months before, you are basicly fucked

Not joking

[tawdry tree]

just bring a tent and you’re fine

🥰

[tidal frigate]

Well unless you want stuff stolen

@tawdry tree not joking btw

All booths with free stuff on our conventions are swarmed

Wooting going there with like 50 uwus wouldnt be enough i think

[tawdry tree]

isn’t pyrkon less esports and tech stuff

it looks like it from the pictures

if woot does go, should they all be dressed up as switchy?

👀

[tidal frigate]

Well there is little no diffrence between pyrkon and pga

@tawdry tree well for me

[tidal frigate]

Cosplaying is too expensive

[tawdry tree]

tf u mean, ts doesn’t look like mainly cosplay: https://gamearena.pl/en/

[tidal frigate]

Also switchy suit would require Another person to put in

[tidal frigate]

There are shit ton of cosplayers

Trust me

They do it for free entrence to pga

[tawdry tree]

I think it’s too late for woot to attend anyway

ticket sales end the 7th

next month

nvm, sales don’t end but they’ll get more expensive or something lol

[tidal frigate]

Thats why I said for 2026

[tawdry tree]

that’s too far in the future

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[tidal frigate]

Well they can plan it

@tawdry tree pga and pyrkon is in the same place too

[tawdry tree]

you go to pyrkon?

https://tenor.com/view/sospechoso-suspizcaz-chicken-judging-you-gif-17495234

[tidal frigate]

No, i never been there because i couldnt do to my disabilities

[tawdry tree]

no one else goes there either

for sure

pga better

[tidal frigate]

Calslock definetly was on pyrkon and pga

Pyrkon is weird place

They make cults there

[tawdry tree]

don’t judge

[tidal frigate]

[tawdry tree]

you’ve never been

unless?..

https://tenor.com/view/sospechoso-suspizcaz-chicken-judging-you-gif-17495234

[tidal frigate]

Oh and Polish politician made Photo with femboy there

[tawdry tree]

that’s any polish citizen, so not that special

[tidal frigate]

Google Korwin mikke pyrkon

There is photo where he is picking up guy

@tawdry tree technicly pyrkon is more for anime fans

Because there is 18+ booth

[trail bane]

Gn

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/korwin-janusz-korwin-mikke-polska-polityka-jkm-gif-827263504771412138

[tawdry tree]

ofc there is

[tawdry tree]

gn

I sleep too

[tropic urchin]

Forbidden

[reef lava]

Whats the verdict on the hex 80 vs 80HE?

[chilly mural]

Eyejoker's test, it seems slower than 80he while having higher price (if original price, it's discounted to $209 rn).

[reef lava]

I see i see tyty

[chilly mural]

personally, I think modifying the 80he is better.

[north girder]

80he since the 80 he can have up to 87 knobs

look at my custom uwu with miku keycaps and tikken switches

[chilly mural]

Not like that, it's more like wooting is most likely to add those feature to their keyboard and support it long term.

[chilly mural]

Need more uwu, but it's quite uwu

[polar girder]

lol that’s some real uWu shit right there. Nice

[north girder]

well knobs might drop this year already i forgot what exactly they told me

[chilly mural]

isn't it q1 2026?

[north girder]

maybe my brain is a colander

[fallen pecan]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message quite a bit slower than the 80he, only a few are faster atm

[glacial wind]

I think they officially release like 1st of next month? From the wooting folk who tested it at gamescom its not great for he though

Tactile makes the press skip/jump a bit

[quasi hinge]

If you remember pls let us know

Unless still next year

[north girder]

maybe just ask the wooting peepol instead of me
lmao

[fallen pecan]

not too bad

[trail bane]

https://tenor.com/view/i-mean-its-alright-gif-26963792

[tawdry tree]

Stemswap with Sparks will be interesting

[noble turret]

Morning sensei!

Do you have experience with yuzu keycaps and/or know if they’re good quality?

[tawdry tree]

No experience with them yet but they do seem promising

[dusty pebble]

wha

[glacial wind]

The sparks are nothing like the Jade pros. They feel noticeably shorter travel and sound is much more muted

Oh nm i thought you were asking about them

[tawdry tree]

Try to stem swap pls (Spark stem in Emerald housing)

Might be good

might be shit

[dusty pebble]

oh the green sparks?

i didnt look much into it yet

but i have like

5 of those

[tawdry tree]

I thought the lighter green one was a Spark recolor at first but it doesn’t have a split stem, so most likely a “budget” option.

Emeralds don’t have a split stem either so I wonder if the Spark’s split stem could work in it

[dusty pebble]

do you mean the tactiles?

[tawdry tree]

The tactiles (Emeralds) and the lighter green ones, both don’t have split stems like the Sparks do.

[dusty pebble]

ohh

didnt know the lighter ones didnt have it

tbh i should

lube them all

and compare them

i nearly have every magnetic gateron switch i think

[tawdry tree]

compare them stock first 😄

[tawdry tree]

did they ever sell those purple stem Sparks?

[dusty pebble]

i liked the muted sound more - it makes my jade pro sound clacky in comparison. forgot to mention the much shorter stem

[dusty pebble]

those are just limited edition recolours iirc

[tawdry tree]

yeah, for zynoo or something

[dusty pebble]

i still think jade max are the prettiest

but their price is meh

and i prefered the jade pros

oh this jade sakura he one is also pretty xd

[tawdry tree]

Black Jade my favorite I think

in terms of aesthetics

[dusty pebble]

oh these look pretty good too - i dont have them sadly

only smth similar

[tawdry tree]

Jade Emeralds are pretty similar haha

[dusty pebble]

nahhh

i used the tactile switch on my esc key and its ok lol

[trail bane]

Hmmm

Pls don’t be a shit

Ahh reaction on every gateron he release

[calm pulsar]

same

[spice plover]

So who here’s buying the ow60 case Tuesday

[fallen pecan]

they did not, was only on the dank1ng zynoo board

ATK has a collab board with a chinese aircraft carrier

[trail bane]

Wtf did i miss something

Pre order?

[spiral crater]

any official reason come out as to why wooting decided to skip the three keys for the wooting80he?

[trail bane]

Idk

More aesthetic look

[fallen pecan]

bro robbed the gateron booth at gamescom

[north girder]

they lighter ones have split stems

[north girder]

gamescom loot

[trail bane]

Damn

Send me

[fallen pecan]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-jade-emerald-switch-set?VariantsId=11399

[north girder]

no at the end od gamescom gateron sold off all.the switches they had so they weren't exactly free

[north girder]

those aren't the ones i have

[languid kestrel]

because they wanted to make something else

[north girder]

i just realised that u can turn emeralds into.linear switches easily just by taking out the leaf spring that rides the bumps on the stem so basically there is no reason to not buy them

the split stem is just a gimmick anyways

[languid kestrel]

you can turn lekker V1s into tactiles by doing the reverse

[thorn zealot]

💀

[north girder]

i havent tried but the gateron tactiles have ridges on them specially designed for that idk if lekker v1s have them too

[uneven cradle]

Wanted to have the benefits of the f row and the arrow keys while saving as much room on the right side, also probably had the knob in mind but it wasn't ready in time

[tranquil lake]

Whaaaaaat

[glacial wind]

eh i wouldn't call it a gimmick. it is noticably quite stable

[tranquil lake]

That knob

[north girder]

i tried the emerald stems in the brighter green ones its as stable

[glacial wind]

i'm talking about the actual magnetic performance

not just physically

[north girder]

how do you meassure thst

[glacial wind]

now whether magnetic performance actually matters to you for example is a different matter, but i don't think it's fair to call it a gimmick if it actually does show measurable results

[glacial wind]

the flux stability at the bottom out

[north girder]

well tge only thing i can tell is that i got quiet weak magnets in my batch of bright green ones wich results in quiet some keys not beeing registered as fully pressed in my wooting
it can be fixed by spamming the key but sadly after restarting my pc wooting resets the calibration and the same thing happens
some keys need to be pressed like 40 times for wooting autocalibration realizing whats going on

[glacial wind]

that's odd. Do you have some examples? I would have thought gateron knew to use magnets within our sensor range these days

[north girder]

i can call u and screenshare my wootillity readouts in the actuation point page

[glacial wind]

just screenshot is fine

if it's not hitting the bottom it should show in the data line

[north girder]

what data line

[glacial wind]

https://analog-monitor.wootility.io/

[north girder]

thats i can see with my knowledge

[glacial wind]

probably need the part that shows the mm

i would assume if it's not hitting bottom out it's because the switches are so low travel that it's outside the range of the typical autocalibration

because these switches are noticably very short travel

[glacial wind]

thanks, i'll pass it on. I'd wager these are just so short travel that it's messing with the auto cal

[north girder]

blue is my F8

red is my print key

[glacial wind]

yeah then this is going to be a problem with all their spark style switches, not just green but all of them due to the travel/magnet

[north girder]

also this happenes b4 i press

i pressed the key for the first time after replugging the keyboard

[glacial wind]

yeah that's normal

the only thing abnormal is it not being able to calibrate it quicker because it's operating so far outside of normal travel range

[north girder]

this is odd aswell

[glacial wind]

that's all fairly normal in that your keys are not able to calibrate properly because of the travel distance/magnet

[glacial wind]

alright i sent a message to simon so that he's at least aware of it happening and we can look into it more when it's work hours

i'm curious myself to see what the exact cause of it is, whether it's magnet or the travel or combination of both

going to swap back the recommendation to polar pro until we have the software at least better at calibrating these

[tawdry tree]

ofc they do 💀

[tawdry tree]

oh wtf, so the lighter ones are a Spark recolor but with a POM stem instead, very interesting.

[tawdry tree]

you can’t put the tactile lead in Lekker V1s (but you can put it in any Spark), the Lekker V1s have a click leaf slot, so you can make those clicky with a different type of leaf.

[north girder]

nope split stem so no spark

[tawdry tree]

does it happen with your sparks as well?

[glacial wind]

i have to go put it back in cause i swapped them to test out a new build

[tawdry tree]

lighter ones meaning the lighter green ones (I have no clue what their actual name is).

[glacial wind]

i wouldn't be surprised if it does because the magnets are the same at least according to gaterons site

[north girder]

they are more like a jade version of the sparks

[tawdry tree]

you can take the leaf out of the emeralds and put it in the lighter green ones I think

[north girder]

idk if i got ore production samples or finals production ones

[tawdry tree]

they’re the same as the Sparks though, no?

[north girder]

and i feel like its more so a problem with magnet tollerances since alot of keys dont pose any troubles

[north girder]

build wise yes material wise no

[glacial wind]

i don't think it's a fault or anything, I think it's just that they're literally so short travel that the magnetic range is bordering on outside of our normal calibration range

[tawdry tree]

yeah exactly

[north girder]

sound wise idk i dont have any spark

[glacial wind]

because they are able to calibrate after a really really long time, but it's not supposed to take that long

at least according to gaterons site these are indeed a lot lower bottom out magnetic force, but i have to test to be sure

[tawdry tree]

I’d think the top out might sound a little different because of the POM stem.

[north girder]

i guess a advanced setting where the ranges of auto calibration aka magnet strength nd travel distance would be good for advanced users

[tawdry tree]

that’s just if you press hard once. you weren’t able to so that when the Raw HEs had this issue numerous times.

[glacial wind]

nah i just checked, it's not to do with press hard or not

[tawdry tree]

(they didn’t just work after a long time, you had to force them).

[glacial wind]

it's just literally way below expected magnetic range, not the old raw he taking time to calibrate issue which was fixed

[tawdry tree]

that’s how you can trick the calibration if the magnetic flux is just a bit too weak at bottom out. It might be a lot too weak with the Sparks though.

[glacial wind]

yeah it's waay more than just a bit with the sparks

[tawdry tree]

Switch selector 😭😭

[glacial wind]

interesting it does auto calibrate eventually, but it needs a lot of time

[tawdry tree]

I don’t think it works like that

[glacial wind]

i wonder if these are just outside the range of even the fix that simon did where he sped up the auto calibration

[tawdry tree]

at least I haven’t seen it working like that

[glacial wind]

what do you mean?

i just got an x key to calibrate

it took a lot of time and presses

not pressing harder or anything like that

[tawdry tree]

yeah, I think that magnetic flux at bottom out was close enough

to “make the jump”

[glacial wind]

no i mean it's not jumping

you're thinking of a different thing

the raw he issue with the jumping detection thing is what you're thinking about

these don't even ever trigger a jump, that's how far below they are

even if you push hard

[tawdry tree]

iirc, the jump still happens but it doesn’t appear as it used to

I’ll try to check tonight with some weaker ones

[glacial wind]

yeah what i'm saying is whatever autocal fix simon did that smoothed it out doesn't work for these because they're so much lower

[tawdry tree]

what happens when they “calibrate” as you say?

after pressing a few times

[glacial wind]

half of them don't calibrate and it's not after pressing a few times

i'm talking pressing like 100 times lol

[tawdry tree]

The ones that did

do they show as full travel?

[glacial wind]

yeah, as expected

[tawdry tree]

actuate fully rather*

yeah, I’m fairly certain that’s the jump still happening, just dressed up differently

I think I saw it before

[tidal frigate]

@glacial wind miggss after spamming to get piston for testing. He responeded where to get one

[glacial wind]

oh you're talking about the smoothing thing