🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

Magneto og is +-60gs magnetic variance and 3.5mm travel. While magneto rgb and magneto pom is +-50gs variance and 3.4mm travel

[dapper obsidian]

man I spent so much time lubing all Lekkers now. Honestly...thock is the biggest bait known to menkind. It sounds so garbage in person and only good when recording.

[glacial wind]

We told you lol

[dapper obsidian]

No, I kinda knew already but still

[glacial wind]

It’s fake thock that’s very hollow unfortunately

[dapper obsidian]

no wonder I always went Clacky by accident xD

My Q1 Pro also became hefty clacky by the end of the build

Thock is a damn scam 😄

[glacial wind]

I need to buy more lube actually

Finally running out and there’s no way I’m using magnetos without hand lube

[dapper obsidian]

yeah my Krytox also went out...can maybe get 5 more switches with it

But I am actually kinda willing to try some fake 205g0

Aint no way I am spending 20€ for 4g or whatever

ah no it was 10g

[knotty iron]

truly is

[crystal pagoda]

no

[dapper obsidian]

First Switch is the Jade Pro second after the little break is Lekker 60 V2 hand lubed

Jades are stock

the way they sound in the audio is somewhat okay but my god it feels cheap in my ears live xD

[daring helm]

jade pro is just clacky

how well does the geon raw he compare to both of those though

[sacred elm]

jade pros sound very good in 80he

[dull venture]

Just order the wooting 60he

[dapper obsidian]

geon have a somewhat equal sound stage to Jade Pros

[sacred elm]

jade pros sound cleaner because of closed bottom

[soft ocean]

Hello, lekker 45 or 60? I never had them so I dont know about my preference. It would be for competitive gaming

[sacred elm]

performance is equal, if you like light switches get L45

[arctic pasture]

any pbt or gmk keycaps like these colors

[daring helm]

what about stem wobble

[dapper obsidian]

cant tell that for now, as mine did not arrive yet. But all sound comparison videos I've seen were kinda comparable to Jades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKID0ORh1xk

[sacred elm]

yes in that video they sound very similar

when you try both they sound different

[daring helm]

what i noticed about the jade pros i have on my halo65 keyboard is that after playing osu on it for a while, the keys starts to sound ticky

[dapper obsidian]

yeah recording are always tricky

just learned that from thock tests today xD

[sacred elm]

I also thought they were similar until i tried jade pros like 2 days ago

and swapped my raws

[dapper obsidian]

Jades are most likely the coolest switch of them all

price is just giga trash

[dapper obsidian]

which switch is that?

[daring helm]

i dont know if geon raw he still has that sound

gateron jade pro

[sacred elm]

that happens with all switches

[daring helm]

doesnt happen on my normal mech switches

[dapper obsidian]

lube is still a liquid in the end

[sacred elm]

i meant HE

not mech

[daring helm]

what makes HE sound like that and mech dont

[sacred elm]

that happened with every he switch ive used (lekkers, raptors, jades, raws, jade pros)

[daring helm]

damn

[sacred elm]

its normal

[daring helm]

I wonder how the TTC POMs fare

[dapper obsidian]

yeah no idea what makes HE switches bleed that fast but I assume the missing leaf and the funny magnet hole kinda has big downsides ^^

[sacred elm]

if it really bothers you i would recommend hand lubing springs

[daring helm]

im too lazy to lube nowadays lmao

even though i do have the right equipment

[dapper obsidian]

understandable. I wasted over 4 hours today

well also Stab tuning as my Spacebar was criminal bad on the right side

was busy bending the damn wire for a good amount of time

[sacred elm]

jade pros are insanely good for osu tho, because of longer spring

i love it

[dapper obsidian]

yeah they come up quite fast

I only have 4 Jade Pros sadly I got for free to try from the product manager of Gateron at IFA Berlin, but I do not feel good at all spending 70€ on 90 Switches lol

[sacred elm]

they are on sale rn

50$ for 70pc

probably even cheaper on aliexpress

[dapper obsidian]

Yeah I ordered a few Geon Raws but I will probably cancel my order. I feel big scammed. Imagine having to pay 28€ shipping cause you HAVE to get Express delivery...meanwhile after what feel like 7 days my order did not even get processed (Order was actually executed November 19. not 20th)

not quite Express

204 Switches

for a colleague and me. He has a two HE and I have a 80HE

[untold wigeon]

Express is when the carrier has it. Has nothing to do with fulfillment.

Send an email find out what the delay is

[sacred elm]

shouldve ordered from deltakey

if youre from eu

[untold wigeon]

Did he order from GEON?

[sacred elm]

yes, there was -30% sale

[untold wigeon]

Sweet sale. Damn

Probably a lot of orders from that sale. Nothing I would worry about. Reordering will just take longer. Shoot off an email.

[dapper obsidian]

I can just get 90 Jade Pros for 39€ on Ali

[sacred elm]

steal

[jaunty ruin]

G Mjade Pro S

?

[dapper obsidian]

idk

[jaunty ruin]

not so sure abt that

[dapper obsidian]

Well its Ali in the end

[sacred elm]

wait be careful you dont receive lekker pros

[dapper obsidian]

translation isnt on point

[sacred elm]

[dapper obsidian]

[jaunty ruin]

no translation to be done

G MJade Pro S is nothing even similar to Gateron Magnetic Jade Pro, even if we let magnetic slide since its written in german right above

i wouldnt trust it but go for it if u want

it looks like a ripoff of the actual jade pro

[sacred elm]

I needed 10 more jade pros and ordered for 1$ on aliexpress there was welcome deal

[jaunty ruin]

10 for 1 is insane

[dapper obsidian]

Mine is also a welcome deal

[sacred elm]

yep

[jaunty ruin]

but @dapper obsidian if u do decide to get them please let me know how they are in person

[sacred elm]

maybe check other sellers

[jaunty ruin]

i wanna know if u experience any faults at all or if theyre actually just regular jade pros

[dapper obsidian]

I will probably not order them

I will wait till my Geon order reaches 7 days

after that, I will probably cancel

as forcing customers to go express delivery and taking that long to even pack the thing is basically criminal

[sacred elm]

gateron sale ends in a week iirc

[dapper obsidian]

That delivery cost is criminally high for such a small volume package

Well I mean I found a colleague who wants some, too so we kinda only pay 14,25$ each but still..

[jaunty ruin]

i got pretty much the same when buying fron geon

wait this is geon lmfao

[dapper obsidian]

Yes its from their actual site

[jaunty ruin]

yeah same

i asked them if i could refund and they said i would only receive 28$ due to me paying for shipping back aswell

its actually horrendous

[dapper obsidian]

idk, maybe I will just resend my Wooting and just go back to the custom mechanical life

[jaunty ruin]

i paid a total of almost 100$ due to regulations in eu

[jaunty ruin]

nah trust wooting is definitely worth it

but fuck geon's shipping is horrendous

[dapper obsidian]

I mean yes it feels great in games...typing is just not really my jam for now

I also really like the typing angle tho.

[jaunty ruin]

which wooting did u get?

[dapper obsidian]

80HE Zinc black

[jaunty ruin]

oo

kinda sucks to see that so many people are having issues with zinc alloy cases wobbling

but since u havent mentioned it i assume u dont have that issue

[dapper obsidian]

mine sits quite stiff. Sadly the gaskets fit kinda stiff, too so they do not really feel existend. But its not as bad as actual tray mount like most 60% boards are 😄

not Keychron Q1 Pro soft, tho

[jaunty ruin]

no im talking about like the actual case itself

is not completely flat

so it wobbles

on your desk

[dapper obsidian]

hmmm I have a deskmat so that might save it.

I can test it real quick without

[jaunty ruin]

you should

[sacred elm]

gasket is stiff for a reason

if it was bouncy it would mess with he sensors

[dapper obsidian]

Yeah, that is true. Still a bit strange tho

Having the idea of flex when flex is also not good is kinda...weird

[jaunty ruin]

#🌟│wooting80he message

#1290536774728155166

[dapper obsidian]

tested it on my desk and its not wobbling at all

[jaunty ruin]

good

u got lucky

here

#1290536774728155166 message

this would absolutely kill me

[dapper obsidian]

seems mean, yeah

idk...I feel like the board was a great success but also kinda not at the same time

I am hella sorry for white zinc folks

[jaunty ruin]

im not sure if its the same guy but someone even returned the case and got a replacement sent over about few weeks to a month later

that new replacement zinc alloy case was also wobbly

[jaunty ruin]

yup

[dapper obsidian]

Yeah tested again to press the bottom left corner: stiff as hell

[jaunty ruin]

great

im glad ur not having that issue

[dapper obsidian]

but my desk is also super flat

[jaunty ruin]

gives me more confidence

as ofcourse not everyone with a perfectly working 80he will just say "oh its working perfectly"

[dapper obsidian]

who knows if OP has some crappy "gaming" desk...might also be an issue

[jaunty ruin]

we only get to see the bad stuff in community support

[jaunty ruin]

LMAO

definitely is an issue if thats true

but id expect OP to know if the other keyboard above it also wobbles

[dapper obsidian]

yeah most people that will get wootings have no clue about Keyboards. Valorant gamers for example. Tenz uses Wooting -> Wooting is the best so I have to get it

[jaunty ruin]

yea i cant stand when i meet random people and all they can talk about is how their actuation is 0.1

like cool beans dude! had that for 2 yrs now :3

i started off at 0.1 and now im at 0.8

im proud of how much ive changed

[dapper obsidian]

but I guess the biggest issue in that lies when it comes to RMA. Most people know boards they got from Amazon for 30€ and got a Wooting for Christmas or whatever and well ofc its great to them

For someone like me who comes from Custom Keyboards its a different thing

its mostly a downgrade when it comes to feel

(outside of games that is)

[jaunty ruin]

even fully modded?

[dapper obsidian]

yes

Like custom boards can cost half the amount and sound twice as greast

great*

Mode Boards for example are giga crazy

https://youtu.be/8yhJgNU9bdg?t=780

Just listen to the sound tst

[jaunty ruin]

honestly i was always into keyboards when i was younger

[dapper obsidian]

test*

[jaunty ruin]

but i didnt wanna spend the money

as soon as i got my 60he

ive been into this shit so much more

[dapper obsidian]

The keyboard above costs 300$, too

and the sonnet is cheaper (which resembles more of the 80HE Layout)

[sacred elm]

same lmao

[dapper obsidian]

ah I lied, it got more expensive but also 299$

[jaunty ruin]

i think ive spent more on my 60he

[dapper obsidian]

Modes biggest downside to me is its ANSI only and I do not give up my fat Enter

[jaunty ruin]

i spent about 200-250 recently for switches, tofu60redux and the shipping ofc

and a tiny bit on keycaps

[dapper obsidian]

yup you can spend big money hella fast. Makes bad parts in an expensive product even more painful

[slate temple]

How theasable would it be for me to have the keyboard plugged into wall for power, and have it transmit data wirelessly to the pc. (I am in a situation where i am way closer to an outlet then to my pc)

[jaunty ruin]

and the board was like about 300-350$ cuz i went with everything maxed out when the module wasnt there

[dapper obsidian]

get a longer cable.

[jaunty ruin]

bro i actually laughed reading this

[dapper obsidian]

What on earth is that plan

[slate temple]

yeah i thought so

[jaunty ruin]

"and have it transmit data wirelessly to the pc"

[slate temple]

haha

[dapper obsidian]

plugging a Keyboard willingly into a wall is diabolical

[jaunty ruin]

bro if u can figure that out

[sacred elm]

lol

[jaunty ruin]

honestly ill tell my kids about u

in 10 yrs

[dapper obsidian]

I bet the Keyboard will just insta fry

I dont think the charger plug can downgrade the power properly to the keyboards needs

I bet it overjuices big time

[jaunty ruin]

i definitely wouldnt test with a wooting

[dapper obsidian]

getting those 20.000Hz for 10ms

until dead

[jaunty ruin]

😭

Snappy Zappy!

[slate temple]

worst part is i kinda have an idea as to how it would work

[sacred elm]

no man please dont

[slate temple]

thanks yall for the sanity check haha

[dapper obsidian]

you were in desperate need

[jaunty ruin]

ur good man thank u for letting us save ur keyboard

[dapper obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUu3yvDzwHg

those silents do not sound silent at all

[jaunty ruin]

thats what ive been telling everyone too 😭

right here

[stone flax]

overpriced

[stone flax]

sonnet is some buns for price proposition

[polar girder]

THATS WHAT I BEEN SAYING

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

[dapper obsidian]

well the market is big

and even entry level china boards will sound crazy when time was put into it

for 1/3 of the price

Sonnet is just a good comparison to equal money

Or Mode in general

[stone flax]

mode's configurator is overpriced trying to bespoke garbo

theres a reason mode boards with extras dont retain any value aftermarktet

like compare the sonnet to a tkd 75 or neo75cu

and it becomes laughable

[dapper obsidian]

thats not the point tho.

Comparing wooting prices to other HE brands is also laughable sometimes. Wooting wins the race for software and company approach to communication for me

Mode was just my go to comparison to the 80HE as the price is equal. There is always cheaper stuff with comparable or sometimes even better quality out there

[stone flax]

mode was an interesting pick

tho

the metaphor doesnt land when u try to show how theres more value in mx

then ur example is mode 😭

[dapper obsidian]

ofc it lands. Its 299 vs 299

[stone flax]

why not an actual nice board for 300 then

?

https://minokeys.com/products/spyder

spyder hits it

[dapper obsidian]

Group buy

you are out

[stone flax]

lmfao

https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/neo75cu

better board than the sonnet 100x

and $100 less

[dapper obsidian]

Mode is just the first thing that I knew has comparable prices. I do not keep track of everything out there

it was a plain comparison of X Amount of Money.

It was just an example to show @jaunty ruin whats out there

There is always something better and cheaper or price/value king.

That simply was not the goal of that topic I started

[celest arch]

Are all keycaps bent like the default 80he ones? Im looking to buy a new set and I'm not sure about the curvature lol

[stone flax]

no https://3dkeycap.com/pages/keycap-profiles-comparator

[dapper obsidian]

bent?

[celest arch]

I mean slightly yea

[dapper obsidian]

as in your Spacebar ?

[celest arch]

No

[dapper obsidian]

or do you mean angled?

[modest pivot]

how do i type

[celest arch]

If u look at the keyboard from the side you can clearly see that each key row is like angled different than the others

[dapper obsidian]

like that

[modest pivot]

like how

[dapper obsidian]

[modest pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/man-crying-gif-27679168

[celest arch]

Idk if thats standard curve nowadays or something

[stone flax]

do you mean the fact that its sculpted differently each row or?

[celest arch]

Ye

[stone flax]

i think wootings are oem

but yes

[modest pivot]

i bought 60he but no come in 3 year

[stone flax]

keycaps are sculpted differently per row

[celest arch]

Like that

[celest arch]

Sooo when im looking to buy new keycaps set will it be the same sculpted angle or not?

Idk if its standard

Whats oem btw

[dapper obsidian]

its standard OEM

[celest arch]

Original equipment manufacturer?

[dapper obsidian]

there is so many different variants

[dapper obsidian]

Wootings are OEM, yes

[celest arch]

Meaning only they manufacture such angled key caps?

[dapper obsidian]

Cherry and OEM are probably the most common versions

[dapper obsidian]

no

most budget PBT Caps are OEM

[celest arch]

Soo OEM is exactly that shape?

[dapper obsidian]

Cherry (if it is true Cherry) is way more expensive

[dapper obsidian]

yes

[stone flax]

oem isnt really perfect standardization wise as much as other profiles

[celest arch]

Oookey

[stone flax]

but yeah

if u wanted more of that

get oem profile caps

[dapper obsidian]

Should be the easiest to get in most languages, too

[celest arch]

And what's different about the cherry keycaps

[celest arch]

Ansi it is

[dapper obsidian]

flatter, even more "bent"

[celest arch]

Not sure if its better more bent

[dapper obsidian]

just go here

you can compare quite easily

[jaunty ruin]

would u mind showing me an example of a true cherry?

[dapper obsidian]

GMK

[dapper obsidian]

and I think PBTFans also uses the original Cherry mold

[jaunty ruin]

oo okay

im getting some pbtfans keycaps soon

[stone flax]

gmk esp the older molds

uhhhhh i think bsp back then?

like

pre 2016

[celest arch]

Oh wow good link

Would cherry then be generally for more competitive maybe

Or legit personal preference

[stone flax]

preference

[dapper obsidian]

but yeah keycaps is a big factor of personal preference 😄

I personally do not like Cherry too much

[stone flax]

sad that the mold for cherry dyesubs didnt last in anyones hands like their doubleshots did ;,<

[celest arch]

Yeah idk i just want some theme going, default is fine but some white keycaps would be sick

[stone flax]

ig thats what crp is for

[dapper obsidian]

well plain white keycaps is not an issue at all

[jaunty ruin]

im getting 2 sets of white keycaps with a tofu60redux in black

[celest arch]

I have black

And i would like some more colours like a theme

Perhaps purple white and black

Or some other 3colour set

[jaunty ruin]

my only issue with a theme

is that i will change my mind

[dapper obsidian]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/pbtfans/products/pbtfans-lucy?variant=42706993021067

[jaunty ruin]

and keep spending

[dapper obsidian]

some accents around the edges is probably a bit more "unique" (its never unique anyway)

Like Plain white is something everyone has who buys a cheap gaming keyboard of amazon

[celest arch]

Mm

Yeah idk id be machibg rgb to key colours

So it needs a shine through ones

Oem

[dapper obsidian]

My Favorite PBTFans Keycaps are Purpurite by far

[celest arch]

In europe

[jaunty ruin]

europe isnt enough to describe

[dapper obsidian]

Just get Wootings Caps then

Quality is decent enough

[jaunty ruin]

do they not have white variants?

[dapper obsidian]

they do

[celest arch]

They don't have more colours tho only black and white i think

And why these keycaps cost 65€

I saw on amazone sets of like 140keys for 20€

Many of them

Are they like worse quality

[dapper obsidian]

40

[celest arch]

If so where does the quality differ

[dapper obsidian]

Usually in Quality Control

[celest arch]

:/

[dapper obsidian]

well yes PBTFans

thats Cherry

You said you want OEM

[celest arch]

Not sure how the name impacts the price unless its a reputable brand?

[jaunty ruin]

wait isnt wootings pbt keycaps cherry profile?

Wooting Double Shot Backlit PBT Keycap Set

[celest arch]

I mean yeah, would like to playe ith colours eithout changing much other stuff

[dapper obsidian]

its reputable, but its also an expensive Mold. Cherry that is

[dapper obsidian]

no its OEM

[celest arch]

Are they shine through?

[dapper obsidian]

no

I dont think there is legit Cherry Molds with shine through

[celest arch]

I think thats a deal breaker for me

[dapper obsidian]

you wanted OEM anyway

^^

[celest arch]

Ye

[dapper obsidian]

just get Wootings

its OEM and shine through

[jaunty ruin]

it really doesnt look like it

i think the ABS ones are OEM

but the PBT ones look very similar to cherry

[dapper obsidian]

gimme a second

[jaunty ruin]

👍

[dapper obsidian]

I compare them

[jaunty ruin]

im comparing them to the link that was sent a little bit ago and my wooting pbt keycaps are pretty much identical to the cherry ones on that site

[dapper obsidian]

left wooting

[jaunty ruin]

yeah okay

[dapper obsidian]

right PBTFans Purpurite

[jaunty ruin]

oh wait i remember u saying something about an original cherry mold

is that the difference right there?

[dapper obsidian]

No

[celest arch]

I've said they only have white and black

[dapper obsidian]

fake ones are kinda close to the Original.

[dapper obsidian]

Didnt you want simple white ones?

[celest arch]

no

[dapper obsidian]

huh

well, take a look at Ali Express

[stone flax]

oem

[jaunty ruin]

wait i just realized all these things are on the wooting site

[celest arch]

Here

[jaunty ruin]

the kana/jizz version of the keycaps are cherry

[celest arch]

Oups here

[jaunty ruin]

https://criminal.host/dmun0cj3yyb5.png

https://criminal.host/s4zd3juay1j3.png

LMAO

https://criminal.host/vcgai1i16e4q.png

nice system requirements

[dapper obsidian]

yeah the dye sub ones are

They are also not shine through

^^

[jaunty ruin]

ah okay

[stone flax]

skibidee sigmas?

[dapper obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-surprise-gif-9360519211974653726

[polar girder]

PBS is cool

If you’re in to alternative profiles

[stone flax]

ASA ❤️

[jaunty ruin]

wow the optimum keycaps are cheap

abt 26$

[polar girder]

ASA like ergo SA?

[untold wigeon]

That’s just upsetting. Mods go warm up the hammer

[polar girder]

Looks nice

[jaunty ruin]

huh

[untold wigeon]

Shorter sa

[jaunty ruin]

how is it upsetting?

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/taylor-bartley-sad-corner-hungover-dunce-gif-11450326191093783590

lol

[jaunty ruin]

cant answer a question ig

[polar girder]

It’s gross and weird. Tf you mean

[jaunty ruin]

its goofy

nothing else?

[untold wigeon]

Pretty much dead on

[polar girder]

You think it’s goofy. Others think it’s gross and weird

[jaunty ruin]

okay so

you could ask me to delete

but you didnt

you're instantly turning it into an argument

[untold wigeon]

You need to remember what you did. Leave it lol

[jaunty ruin]

?

speak proper

that made no sense

[polar girder]

Noones turning it in to an argument. I just said it’s gross and weird.

[jaunty ruin]

buddy i wasnt talking to u

you didnt initially call it out or even mention it

[polar girder]

Ok, buddy

Whatever you say, buddy

[jaunty ruin]

weird attempt at ending the argument

but sure buddy go for it

i already deleted it silly if it offends u just say that and ill get rid of it

[polar girder]

Buddy thinks there’s an argument

[jaunty ruin]

ur just looking for an excuse to argue with me at this point

making an issue out of nothing bud

[polar girder]

lol you just keep going

[jaunty ruin]

?

whatever u say buddy

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-buddy-guy-friend-canadian-gif-6183589

[jaunty ruin]

ill go get some food

[polar girder]

Ok bye

Get blocked bozo

[neon meteor]

what a moron

[jaunty ruin]

good for you buddy

[calm pulsar]

what did he send?

[flat cobalt]

E white usually has a little bit of glitter I believe

[tawdry tree]

something gross and weird probably 😂

[paper bloom]

Imagine if eating 2 bowls of ramen is considered gross

And then going out dor a 8.6miles/10km run

[supple grove]

I've done that once in my life. Without the 2 bowls of ramen

[paper bloom]

Ive been doing that runs for like almost every week now

3 days ago i did a 14k and a 5k

2 days later

[supple grove]

I need to get back into my running routine. My routine before I joined the military was to do endurance runs Mon, Wed, Fri and speed (sprint) runs Tue and Thurs

[paper bloom]

I did friday sprints the rest were easy

[paper bloom]

Im shipping out for conscript basic soon lol

[supple grove]

Nice. I'm getting out of the USMC in 3 weeks.

[paper bloom]

Nice

[hollow heart]

hey so i was planning on getting a 60he and am leaning towards a 80he now, im thinking of getting the module, pbs case, and Everglide Sticky Rice switches, what other mods could i get for mabye stabilizers or pads and whatnot. this would be my first custom build

[barren wasp]

sticky rice i heard still have some magnet issues

even v2s

[dapper barn]

e

[violet fulcrum]

someone had that issue, but turned out it was them not being full seating flush with the pcb, they decided to just clip the legs off and now it works.

They do not have the standard legs as other switches

[hollow heart]

defintely curious about this because im not seeing any articles online about people having issues with them but ide love to see

[stone flax]

my mouse collection

nothing too out there

[dark quest]

How many of them double click?

[chilly mural]

It'll take at least 2 months for a mouse to out populate this.

[tawdry tree]

mice infestation, call pest control asap

[paper bloom]

Thats a lot

[supple grove]

Sure hope you keep track of the bad ones

[jaunty ruin]

ill show u if u want

he got offended by it ig so i deleted lol

[polar girder]

lol

[jaunty ruin]

its actually just silly i dont think that its something worth getting pissy over but to each their own

[brave epoch]

All of them probably.

[magic orchid]

i just found the best sounding wooting 60he and i wanted to share it
https://youtu.be/03Jx_kzoMks

this is by far the best ive heard i didnt even know it could sound this good

[fluid ravine]

it sounds muddy and muted to me imo, not a big fan for my preference

[polar girder]

Muddy and muted is fine. I’m more worried about the hollow and scratchy lol

Kind of unique tho. No hate

Stem swapped raptors with POM plate

[kind helm]

no my pp is bigger

wait no i meant my tofu is better :V

[stone flax]

🤢

[kind helm]

its tray mount with foam :3

[stone flax]

https://youtu.be/ljXqCZsiKv8 this ones slightly too thin but hits way harder imo

[kind helm]

lowkey unfair because wooting's pcb can't never do that

[jaunty ruin]

any reason to why thats the case?

[kind helm]

that particular build i think need both daughter board and gummy oring cutout

[dark quest]

I'd believe it.

[silk hound]

can i get a dozen

[polar girder]

Why not?

Venom PCB has superior acoustics or what you mean

[cedar gate]

Nice my man when I was training for my first marathon I was running like 20 miles a day to prep

[paper bloom]

Thats some good milage

I aint got the time to train for a full marathon since i mostly need to run my 2.4

I might start training on running more for marathons tho

Since im training for sub marathons

[stray tiger]

@polar girder cs

[magic orchid]

This sounds to clacky i personally like that deep poppy noise

[magic orchid]

I really like the deeper muted sound its easier on the ears imo

[paper bloom]

are u and bigs in the EU?

[stray tiger]

US

[paper bloom]

Ah shit nvm CS ping

And region

Hf

[kind helm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message brother its right there

[polar girder]

yes

didn't hear ping was listening to new kendrick album lol

[polar girder]

Oh I thought you meant the sound from video

[kind helm]

yea that sound you can't really do with wooting since the pcb can't be gummy oring mount

[polar girder]

Ehh just cuz it’s not made for it doesn’t mean it can’t

But yeah

[glacial wind]

You can o ring mount. It’s more daughterboard stuff you can’t do

[kind helm]

friction mount is not even close, foam tape is closer but still not as soft as gummy oring, silicone pad gasket me no like either since it forces you to use the gummy oring. think 461e is the closest thing in my understanding

with the modular silicon pad thingy

[glacial wind]

Might want to look back at the people who did a frog with tadpoles using custom plates on their wooting

[polar girder]

you can gummy o-ring mount a wooting tho

[kind helm]

ahh but thats different though no, but yea that is closer

forgot bout frog and salvation for a moment

[glacial wind]

Stuff like that’s been done before, although I don’t think it’s super worth but there have been crazy wootings too

[polar girder]

salvation just bouncy tray mount. no diff

foam tape is just insulated tray mount

[calm pulsar]

yeah but it's a bit stiffer and different compared to a proper gummy oring mount

[polar girder]

fair

[glacial wind]

End of the day you still get limited to a degree by the switch with any of the he boards

Be it venom, wooting or whatever else

[polar girder]

@stray tiger join up

[kind helm]

true da

[calm pulsar]

true that

[polar girder]

yeah

that's my problem

but also why i went frog

HE needs all the help it can get lolo

[calm pulsar]

my thinking as well haha

[kind helm]

i am still waiting on the damn venom pcb, shipping so slow i guess part 11/11 holiday in china part blackfriday of us

I hope that sticky rice legs can be the game changer

[fluid ravine]

Hey chat, is there any black friday sales for keebs i should be looking out for

[glacial wind]

Just aliexpress deals you can stack

[kind helm]

kbdfan has some stuff on sale, ali also, and jade pro like 10 dollars cheaper on gateron and amazon

[glacial wind]

a lot of switches are on sale where you can stack coin discount plus Black Friday coupon to get switches for a decent bit less than normal

[kind helm]

mr thockfather also mentioned a pretty neat cable site that has good discount

[glacial wind]

It’s how they got me to finally buy some ttc pom

[kind helm]

i already brought too much stuff for 11/11 on ali, i need to chill out

[glacial wind]

If you’re a real coin hero then you can buy melgeek for like $75 lol

You need like 5-10k coins probably though

[kind helm]

you need the phone app for that?

[glacial wind]

Yeah I think you need to use coin store on phone app to see it

[kind helm]

[kind helm]

thank you sir

[glacial wind]

I think it ended though at least for me since now it’s back to 3% coin discount

[kind helm]

i asume you get coin on every purchase you make?

that one on the bottom right, actual voodoo magic

[glacial wind]

yeah and also coins for going to their app and checking in every day

Usually coin usage is limited by a bunch to like 3-5% discounts but during sales they throw up some bigger coin discounts

[kind helm]

yea i saw up to like 25% off

[quartz spire]

What’s the difference between the jade pro and jade gaming anyone know?

[glacial wind]

Box stem vs non box stem

[quartz spire]

That’s all?

[glacial wind]

jade gaming is tighter stem bottom out but sounds/feels worse due to box stem. So you have to decide what’s important to you

[quartz spire]

Tighter means better performance? As in less deadzone?

[glacial wind]

Yeah, but just a slight amount

For deadzone and wobble it goes roughly magneto rgb/pom > magneto regular/Jade gaming > tight non box stems like jade pro/raw he > less tight non box stems

[quartz spire]

Ah i see

[glacial wind]

Sound wise all the non box stems sound way better though

[quartz spire]

Ah ok cuz I’m more of a casual player so I doubt I’ll even notice the slight increase in performance

[glacial wind]

Yeah then just go for raw he or jade pro honestly

[kind helm]

everyone gave me s44t for daring to suggest something may perform better than the beloved raw

(yes i know the difference is increditbly small)

[stone flax]

they do not feel or sound good

they cost 3-4 times as much

[quartz spire]

Aight thanks

[glacial wind]

Jade gaming is actually down to a more reasonable price now at least, but raw he is still the value king since it’s still cheaper than both gaming and pros

[quartz spire]

Which do u prefer more raw or pros

[glacial wind]

They’re the same to me, there’s a slight pitch different in sound but they both are tight stems

[kind helm]

some prefer raw some prefer pro, raw is typically recommended for the cheaper price

[glacial wind]

I just go raw because I see no value in paying more for same thing performance wise

Oh if rgb if a concern for you then go raws

[quartz spire]

Also sound yea?

[glacial wind]

raws have a clear/neutral housing but the pros have a tinted housing

[kind helm]

both sound "good", jade pro is a bit more snappy due to longer spring

[stone flax]

rgb and spring

[glacial wind]

So it messes with rgb a bit and you have to correct the rgb colors a bit to overcome the tint

[stone flax]

is practically it

most times ive heard people prefer jade pro is because of the marginal difference from having a fully closed off bottom on sounds and the longer 20mmish spring

[kind helm]

and price, for 70 switches, raw is like 10 dolla cheaper

[stone flax]

geon gotta start pumping out xl and uxl springs

grrrrrr

[kind helm]

imagine double stage 22mm spring in raw

[stone flax]

im gonna relube my raws with 3204 soon

[kind helm]

👀 factory lube for now?

[glacial wind]

You can already buy those online. I wouldn’t suggest it though since I think they suck but you can buy em on aliexpress

[fluid ravine]

i need more lube myself 😭

lmk how it goes

[kind helm]

yee i heard, arcsyko and bigsly tried them. arcsyko said not as good as jade pro long spring. while bigsly had to lube tf out of them

[glacial wind]

Oh I forgot there’s the ttc uranus esports switches as well

But they sound really bad so you just get performance but nothing else

They are cheap though lol

[stone flax]

factory lube for months

wanna relube

[kind helm]

enjoy the suffer

i think it helps with the spring ping, i threw all the raw spring away for lekker v1's which surprisingly has no ping to me.

[glacial wind]

why not just lube the springs lol

you can get rid of spring ping with just lube

[kind helm]

i fcked up the first time when i lube the spring, got lube in the little hole of the raws. and i was opening my switches to see which has the longest spring since that is what i prefer, saw lekker v1 has the longest compare to raw and og jade.

i just thought might as well at that point

[fluid ravine]

lekkers spring is longer than raws?

[kind helm]

like 1mm

[fluid ravine]

oh

interesante

[kind helm]

[stone flax]

i dont have spring ping

[kind helm]

not gonna lie i dont hear it when i use it normally either. can only clearly hear it when i put them close to my ear. but after lubing the spring i do think it sounds better. (of course whether its worth or not depends on person :3)

maybe just copium

i can definitely tell which is which through sound when i accidentally mix them on the table though.

[glacial wind]

I need to buy more gpl oil actually, otherwise I’ll have to donut dip my springs

[kind helm]

probably shouldnt donut dip for raw, that is pretty much how i did it the first time. In the sound file, first one is lubed second one is fcked up lube. If the lube gets on the little hole in the middle it would sound like that.

(edit: for the second time i basically made sure to lube the outer part of the spring instead of letting them flow to the inner side, in case it flows to the hole on raw. bag lubing probably is thinner and more even. I haven't heard others with this issue.)

[quartz spire]

Anyone have anyone keycap recommendations for black 80he?

[glacial wind]

Black goes with a lot of things. It’d be up to you what theme you want

[split dagger]

Guys are clipping your stabs worth doing? Asking bc im building my first board and I see people doing it but idk whats the meaning

[glacial wind]

That’s not a thing unless you use specific stabs that need it

you won’t need to clip your stabs

[split dagger]

Oh alr then

My neo65 is taking so long to get here im so excited to build a custom board

[quartz spire]

I was thinking gmk Fuji

But idk if it’ll match the black

[flat cobalt]

I used them with a meteorite gray case and it looked good

[quartz spire]

How much did u pay for these

The key caps I mean

[flat cobalt]

I got the Fuji on sale earlier in the year for 49$

Cannonkey had a blackout sale during the summer

[stone flax]

speaking of

cannonkeys doing yet anutha nice sale

only gmk child kits this time around tho

:<

theres gonna be nice gmk set sales on novelkeys tho

[flat cobalt]

Yeah I wanted to get the mystery keycaps to try my luck

[stone flax]

novelkeys got some nice 50 dollar base kits this tuesday

[flat cobalt]

I really shouldn't buy anymore keycaps ;-;

I think I'm just gonna make the Cosmos my endgame

[stone flax]

yes but

50 dollar base sets

_>

[flat cobalt]

I'm easily influenced ;-; stop

[stone flax]

very cheap

it cant hurt

[kind helm]

i just brought some XMI keycaps, imma just chill :3

[chilly mural]

Soo many temptations these days

[fluid ravine]

even i as a toddler could afford it, it wont hurt

[flat cobalt]

These look nice

[split dagger]

Which ones do you guys think I should use on my black neo65 (the letters on the ones in first pic are pink didnt pick up on cam tho)

[flat cobalt]

maybe those digital nightamres one

[flat cobalt]

I like the left one

[kind helm]

(edit: novelkey)

[split dagger]

Ok thanks. I have those ones on my 60he rn but didnt know if I should switch them out or not

[flat cobalt]

whaaaa the salvation

[kind helm]

salvation discount kinda nutty if that is the case

brought a while ago for 300

[split dagger]

Also are jades still best sounding switch for 60he or have there been new ones since

[stone arch]

who has a optimum case and a tofu redux? does the optimum feel much more premium?

[kind helm]

i'd say tofu would feel more premium in terms of sound, optimum would feel more premium in terms of look. however the sound difference i don't think would be very big.

tofu with brass weight is slightly heavier, 1080g. optimum i think is like around 950g (edit: heavier case would be better at dealing with hollow sound without foam)

[stone arch]

hm the optimum is really heavy

didnt think the tofu was more

not sure if i like the optimum case might get a redux

[fluid ravine]

thats only if it has the brass weight

[kind helm]

with brass weight

[stone arch]

si si, i just dont wanna get a redux and then it feels/looks cheaper

[kind helm]

I think tofu still has discount right now though, you probably get tofu with brass weight at half the price

[fluid ravine]

tofu without brass weight is 800 grams

[kind helm]

tofu also has more color option

[split dagger]

Dose anyone know the name of these keycaps?

[kind helm]

more like 700 something if i remember correctly from badseed's video

[young lantern]

gmk sumi looks like

[stone arch]

which is why i kinda dislike the optimum, the color is just meg..

meh

[young lantern]

speaking of optimum

[fluid ravine]

optimum is 947 grams

[stone arch]

and the bezel is biggger then i thought

[kind helm]

i can't believe you don't like the color of depression.

[young lantern]

optimum x gmk black snail

[split dagger]

I love you

[young lantern]

black knights on pom w tx ap

[stone arch]

looks good.. i like more color though and i find it hard to find colorful caps that go with it

[crystal pagoda]

just get accents

[young lantern]

i have that set i wanna pair a red kohaku with

[young lantern]

but i only see lilac

[young lantern]

gmk fundamentals maybe

[stone arch]

ill have to look around some

anyone know if the friction fit insert will work on other cases

[fluid ravine]

yes\

[stone arch]

are you using it?

[fluid ravine]

no

will soon

but i know how it works

[kind helm]

I would expect it works the same as gummy oring, which has been used for many cases.

[stone arch]

it feels so much better then gummy o ring

imo

[glacial wind]

They’re probably similar. Tofu is an entry level case so the finish won’t be anything more special than the optimum

[kind helm]

you have the optimum case already?

[glacial wind]

Just pick based on the color and style you like honestly

[stone arch]

@kind helm i do

[glacial wind]

Oh then why are you looking at a redux

[stone arch]

the bezels are bigger then i expected and it looks alittle darker in pictures/vids

or the one i got is just slightly lighter

[glacial wind]

So you want to swap out for color?

[kind helm]

interesting. friction should be more even compare to gummy oring since gummy oring has uneven pressure on locations with screws/stab. but i didn't expect it to be a big difference

[stone arch]

should i attempt to paint o.o

[kind helm]

now i wanna try 461e case

[glacial wind]

painting is a lot of work and not as durable but up to you

[stone flax]

get a frog mini

[kind helm]

does anyone has a video of 461e assembly? I wanna see what their friction pad looks like

[kind helm]

where

[stone flax]

mechmarket

[stone arch]

@glacial wind maybe ill wait for somene else to paint first, im sure someone will

see how it turns out

[glacial wind]

I doubt many will

[kind helm]

i probably get scammed but true

[glacial wind]

Half the appeal of the optimum case is it’s the optimum coloring

you kind of buy it because it’s that neutral gray aesthetic case

[young lantern]

could cerakote too

[stone flax]

g and s or invoice

bought two boards there

[young lantern]

im pretty sure you can remove the weight

[stone arch]

mechmarket is sage

safe

[kind helm]

I may try that later, but probably gonna wait til the second venom pcb arrives on feb of next year then hopefully i see more interesting options for it and pick from there.

I am so excited to see what kind of things we can do to HE boards in the near feature, with the power of daughter board and plate file hehe

[chilly mural]

Cant wait for venom tkl

[stone flax]

did u hop on tiger

[chilly mural]

Pre ordering on 28th

[glacial wind]

I wish the case options were more low angle and less bouncy

[kind helm]

did you get the optimum case already?

[glacial wind]

Yeah

[kind helm]

I didn't expect that can be bouncy at all

[chilly mural]

Tiger lite is soo good of a deal to pass

[glacial wind]

I’m talking about the venom cases not optimum

[kind helm]

oh xD

[glacial wind]

They’re mostly mx cases adopted to he

[kind helm]

me on the other hand don't mind the bounce, i don't think it would be intensive enough to cause input error.

[glacial wind]

it 100% does, but not everyone is playing fps games at 0.1 for example so doesn’t matter if they don’t

[kind helm]

oh yea .1 actuation then i think a lot of things can go wrong at that point i feel like, both from the hardware and just user

[glacial wind]

A lot of modding channel is more modder who also game and not gamers who also mod if that makes sense

So they tend to skew towards the modding side more than gaming focused stuff

[kind helm]

that is why i think wooting's settings is fine, keeping the actuation on .2 seems to be "safer"

[glacial wind]

I’ve always used 0.1 on wasd with no issues, but it would get a bit sketchy on bouncy gasket mount boards

[kind helm]

doesn't wooting keep 0.2 as the minimum or they updated it 0.0

[glacial wind]

No wooting has always allowed 0.1 actuation and 0.15 rt

[kind helm]

tf 0.0 memory is fcked then, i just checked, it allows 0.1

do you own he boards that is not from wooting? @glacial wind i feel like the bounce would be more of a rapid trigger issue than actuation issue.

[glacial wind]

Yeah I’ve used like 20+ different he boards

But I sell them after playing with it

Bounce has always been an issue to a degree. It’s why venom for example has separate plates

[chilly mural]

Uwaa, do you have a top 5 list?

[glacial wind]

You can use non geon venom plates in compatible cases but the geon made plates specifically have more stand off spots to prevent flex as much as possible

[kind helm]

another reason to use alu over something like pc?

[glacial wind]

Honestly most of them suck and are inconsistent

[glacial wind]

I’ve always preferred stiffer options. I actually was scared of 80he before they announced and showed that the gasket wasn’t bouncy

[kind helm]

that lack of bounce i thought was more due to the foam like cheap chinese kits

[glacial wind]

Nah its on purpose

[chilly mural]

A bit curious. Besides Venom, and wooting. Any other brand that's good?

[glacial wind]

I mean it’s varying levels of good. Most he boards are ‘fine’ just that they occasionally have misinputs here and there but outside of that they work fine

The problem is more when I’m playing a game I don’t enjoy it if my strafe fails to stop correctly 1/25 times randomly because the input was scuffed

But that sort of stuff never shows in reviews because most ‘reviewers’ aren’t doing any longterm testing and/or suck at games

[kind helm]

if you remove the foam it should be pretty bouncy though no? since the "gasket" they use is the silicone pad

(not sure if i am right there since i dont own 80he and i dont pay much attention to it :3)

[glacial wind]

You can make it bounce more yes, but the silicone gasket style they do is already very stiff vs traditional gaskets

[chilly mural]

Thanks for your output!

[glacial wind]

Which is honestly a good thing because I don’t think they should cater their board for the hipyotechs of the world who aren’t even using their gaming board for higher level gaming

[kind helm]

thought the silicone would be more bouncy since it is not as soft as something like pc, but i guess at the same time silicon is more stiff compare to poron

[glacial wind]

The pcb structure is very different too

Wooting it’s all stuck together to prevent flex

you don’t do that typically in non he because you want that flex and bounce

Its something briefly mentioned in a few reviews iirc like optimum and wasabi both have talked about preferring stiffer setups for gaming too

I don’t think it’s coincidence both are fps gamers who like to min max performance there

[kind helm]

i didn't really watch the optimum video since i don't really value his opinion when it comes to keyboard, but yea that seems to be very reasonable

[glacial wind]

Flex is just highly overrated if your goal is actually playing low sens settings. I love it for my work keyboard though

[kind helm]

how you mean low sens settings?

[glacial wind]

Meaning if you’re someone say who is playing higher mmr fps games with 0.1 wasd and 0.15 rt

[stone flax]

ill have u know hipyotech casually plays osrs sometimes

i think he knows a thing or two about keyboards

especially for gaming

🥺

still cant believe that man made an 80he video that definitely impacted peoples minds

🤣

[calm pulsar]

I Tried Gaming So You Don’t Have To

[stone flax]

i got sent a keyboard for free so you dont have to

[kind helm]

the title and the daily uploads get the view man

[glacial wind]

Lol, the only thing I disliked really in his video was the framing of his gaming experience. He flashed a clip of his 1k hours in cs but then when asked if he knows how to play cs he says he’s not very good at games or mechanics in those games

Like it’s fine if you want to review the 80he from the perspective of a casual gamer who won’t use those advantages, but don’t flash a 1k hours in cs clip in your video then leave the context as if you’re an experienced fps player

[stone flax]

people checked

he was gold

😭

[glacial wind]

It was all very disingenuous

[kind helm]

a rank i can get with just pistols

[chilly mural]

Just have your friend carry

[kind helm]

my friends just bring me down mentally :V

depression from phd study, tell them about it, then they tell me to get a rope

[stone flax]

💀

:<

[calm pulsar]

da hell

[kind helm]

LOL its just jokes

[polar girder]

I just got MG1 on inferno

Maybe I should start a YouTube channel

Yo what’s best switch for Mx office use?

Planning a Neo Ergo build

[kind helm]

probably something silent

[polar girder]

Yeah quiet linear

[stone flax]

quiet or silent

[polar girder]

I feel like someone told me but I forgot

Silent

It’s for my wife

She has an Apple keyboard rn lol

[calm pulsar]

i'd grab a tactile for office

[ionic breach]

[polar girder]

Saved. Thanks

[kind helm]

i know that the 2 haimu ones don't use foam, what about the rest did they adapt the thing haimu did?

[polar girder]

Outemu peach?

Light

[stone flax]

silents are geon reds same mechanism

really cool

[kind helm]

yee

[stone flax]

they really are just very quiet linears

that really on cutouts to remove the sound

frankly u can take any linear

[kind helm]

i was gonna buy the haimu ones when i saw the reviews but they got sold out

[stone flax]

drill holes on bottom housing

[kind helm]

yea LOL

[stone flax]

and then they become silents to an extent

lol

[kind helm]

I saw a vid with experiment on that, kinda amazing

[polar girder]

TTC silent frozen not bad

[stone flax]

o shit yea

[stone flax]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9mC7Sye3yhAn8L8kuHW8jmL-7u-KyXpC?feature=shared

this one?

[kind helm]

yea

[stone flax]

alright

when is someone gonna drill they he switch

to try and get em silent

[polar girder]

Akko fairy pretty nice

[kind helm]

think the big thing is the fact that they dont need to rely on foam to silence it, which makes it mushy

[stone flax]

id recc any of the non-dampened ones or the lichicx's

the others tend towards being a bit mushy

[polar girder]

Ok can’t have that

[kind helm]

ngl mushy kinda fun, i had box silent brown on my lab keyboard. saw it on glarses video and brought some.

but having the option to get that clean down stroke very nice

mushiness is probably better for weak fingers

[polar girder]

Yeah definitely need light springs

For her weak fingers lol

[kind helm]

considerate man

[tiny summit]

Hello everyone! just had a quick question, whenever Im just typing in my browser.. specifically when im typing any special keys when holding shift (1) = ! for example, the input for that special function is very slow.. not sure if anyone else is having this issue or even if that sense...😅 but any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance! 🙂

[devout torrent]

Lichicx the best silent

I love them

[celest arch]

Where do people go to look for keycaps when they want to buy some for wooting 80he?

[stone flax]

vendors

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[celest arch]

so whats the different between pbt anf gmk

[kind helm]

gmk max flex, pbt smo flex

[celest arch]

what

GMk is a german company standart

and pbt is a type of plastic

[stone flax]

....

[kind helm]

dont think its a standard, gmk the name i think is the first name of the 3 founders of that company

[celest arch]

ok

[stone flax]

plastic material vs plastics manufacturer who also create keycaps

[celest arch]

ok'

ima go with pbt here

[calm pulsar]

lol

[celest arch]

now what does double shot mean

[kind helm]

the color processing (or whatever the proper term is)

[calm pulsar]

uhh double shot is when alphas are a diff color plastic, so it's not painted or printed

[celest arch]

its a molding technique

so pbt and doubleshot

now how does backlit and shine through work

[kind helm]

i think mr. mj shouldve just gave the man a few brands to choose from lowkey xD

[stone flax]

why is he asking a question

then answering his own question

[kind helm]

xDDDDDDDD

[calm pulsar]

xd

flexing knowledge

[stone flax]

😭

[kind helm]

think hes googling as he typed

[stone flax]

literally just means the two diff plastic is injected twice

ergo double shot

one for the outer molds

second for the legends

[sonic hull]

What about double tap?

[celest arch]

so are defaukt wooting key caps shine through or backlit, i dont understand the difference

how can keycaps be backlit, arent only keyboards back lit and keycaps shine through

[calm pulsar]

the plastic for alphas would be semi transparent to allow light shining through, in the double shot shinethrough caps

[celest arch]

whats alphas

[kind helm]

the letters, characters, or legends

whatever is printed on the keycaps

[celest arch]

okey, so legends

[stone flax]

alphas can also mean the non modifier keys

[celest arch]

i goit the shine through part

but what about backlit keycaps

how is that a thing

[kind helm]

just thinking words on top of my head sir

[stone flax]

interchangable as far as ive known

its backlit / shinethrough

[celest arch]

okey

[little glen]

One clear plastic one black plastic

[celest arch]

so pbt, double shot, shine through/backlit

now how many keys does 80he have

87?

[sacred elm]

84 ansi 85 iso 88 jis

[celest arch]

erm okey

[kind helm]

the key caps that are included in the set are usually in the description of whatever page you check, through text or picture. think typically a "base set" should have everything you need

[celest arch]

oookey

soo if it doent say shine through keycaps, they arent? or is there a chance that they are

can one tell from a picture

[calm pulsar]

it literally says backlit

[celest arch]

read the question again

[kind helm]

if it doesn't say they are then they aren't

[celest arch]

okey

[kind helm]

also be nice homie, bro is trying to help you out

:V

[celest arch]

how am i rude

[ionic breach]

backlit is shinethru no?

[celest arch]

Well we already came to that conclusion

so yes, most likely

[kind helm]

i think so, shinethrough probably is the more accurate term.

[ionic breach]

then if it doesnt say, its likely not

but you can see pics from reviews to make sure

[kind helm]

think they just use the term interchangably.

maybe can try to get these if you are in the us

espeically if you are on the east side they ship hella fast

novelkey btw, mr. mj mentioned it earlier the night

[celest arch]

I like something like this style and all of them are from Amazon or AliExpress

But where to buy suggestions were all some brand websites

So is the quality bad of the amazon and AliExpress keycaps? Are they not durable or have other issues?

They are cheap too

Below 20€ for like 120keys

[kind helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oehC7nIOgpc

[little glen]

Usually worse quality/worse qc but it depends how much you care about those

[stone flax]

doubleshots: aifei, ghost judges
dyesubs: xmi, 21kb, leekbros, shenpo, nicepbt
budget stuff

[little glen]

If sacrificing those is worth the savings to you then go ahead

[kind helm]

its kinda just things like these (not conclusive of course)

a lot of it is like you dont even notice util someone point it out, then you can't unsee it

[celest arch]

so what is this called? low quality legends prints/pbt?

[celest arch]

whats qc?

[little glen]

Q = Quality C = Control

[celest arch]

oh

okey

[stone flax]

difference in dyesub quality

[kind helm]

not necessary material or the processing, its just the quality

[celest arch]

but in reality how long will it take for the legends to wear off in this lower quality keycaps?

like

is it months

or years difference

i dont know how bad it is

[kind helm]

if you just want something functional, any cheap one from amaozn is fine

i think

[little glen]