🔧│keyboard_modding

[kind helm]

the last one, i think the best one, uses no screws

i was trying out burger mount, huge mistake, huge pain in my a33

damaged the standoffs a little bit when i was trying to push the screw through the oring at the bottom

and i was afarid of damaging the pcb when i was pushing the screw down

janky a33 bs

[vague stag]

hahah

thank you bro! placed an order on thed brass weight, will install later next week - a bit hard with the o-ring as the retailer in sweden does not have those in stock

don't really want to pay $4 for the o-ring and $ 15 for shipping 😄

[kind helm]

yee i think the vendors for those options are all us based

[vague stag]

aaaand maybe I will ruin a pillow for the sake of science tomorrow

[kind helm]

https://keebcats.co.uk/search?q=ring&options[prefix]=last

would this be cheaper for you?

i just searched for "Bakeneko60 eu" and found a uk site

https://keebcats.co.uk/products/graveshift-medium-o-rings?_pos=1&_sid=d6f70b7b1&_ss=r

[untold wigeon]

I don’t know anything about the pad but that is a great color.

[kind helm]

i see chinese immediately i am guessing some artisan clone from cn

[vague stag]

thx, but no unfortunatelly...$ 20 for shipping

[kind helm]

unfortunate

[vague stag]

mm

[glass girder]

anybody have any favorite switches theyre using on their wooting other than lekkers?

[kind helm]

raw he or jade pro

[halcyon flax]

Artisan ones are really good

[kind helm]

do you have a link, i am actually hoping to try different one

[halcyon flax]

https://www.artisan-jp.com/

As much as the website looks dodgy, they are really cheap via their website than any retailer honestly

Though the delivery takes time it seems

[kind helm]

wait you are talking about the mousepad?

[halcyon flax]

Yes

Ok nvm

Etsy is good for keycaps

[vague stag]

anyone tried the tempest mode but with electrical tape?

[halcyon flax]

Can you tag me with the link for this?

[polar girder]

Would not recommend

Potentially leaves residue on PCB

[muted sapphire]

what's that

[muted sapphire]

raw he

[tawdry horizon]

Got them RAW He switches today and dang they amazing

[tropic urchin]

Jade Gaming

otherwise you arent a gamer

[split dagger]

Can anyone recommend me a aluminum 65% black kit with pcb and stabilizers

Preferably under 160$

[tidal frigate]

For artisans

[pure jetty]

if i take my wooting to a computer shop can they fix my usb c slot

[jade storm]

bakaneko?\

[stone flax]

neo65

done

[gilded hinge]

can vouch i have one and its amazing

[clever wharf]

Guys i have a question

I need grease or lube for stabilizers

Wootings lube goes for like 30 bux or can i get smth from like temu for 5 and works similar?

[crystal pagoda]

???

no

[crystal pagoda]

raws

[crystal pagoda]

no

[crystal pagoda]

no

u dont even need to spend 30 for krytox

just find a vendor or smth if its a bother

but dont cop random temu lube thinking it wont be shit

[clever wharf]

meant ali

Not temu wrote wrong

[stone flax]

????????

still no

[clever wharf]

lol

Ok so what lube then

Is best

[stone flax]

what are u trying to achieve even

that 205g0 and grease cant

[clever wharf]

Im using on my tx ap

ppl say they dont need lube but idk

[stone flax]

????

if a stab doesnt need lube or tune-up whatsoever itll be remarked as such

can be usable without lube and should be used without are very different things

[honest pollen]

Wooting should make custom straps for the 60he with many different colors and I would personally buy one if it was a white strap with red writing

[untold wigeon]

Ali express has some.

[inland quail]

how does this sound?

[hollow dagger]

Beautiful! What setup?

[inland quail]

thank you :) geon raw he, blade60, sa keycaps

thats about it

[fluid ravine]

oh shi i thought you had a 80he

it sounded like a 80he for a moment

[inland quail]

1st gen wooting 60he

[fluid ravine]

it has that frigin deep tone 80he signature sound in it

i really thought aha

[hollow dagger]

Pc plate with poron foam insert?

[inland quail]

no, stock plate

[hollow dagger]

Jeez u can get that sound with a steel plate

[inland quail]

mhm its the sa keycaps

[hollow dagger]

Brb getting myself one

[inland quail]

as long as you have a wrist rest, the height isnt bad

[clever wharf]

Guys i ordered my wooting module and im gonna mod my first ever keyboard but i want it maximized modded what can i get to mod and fix better noise etc already got a plan to tape mod, add own stabilizers and i got my own switches is there anything else i can get to improve it smth like foam thingy or anything else

80he) that is^

[jade narwhal]

I think there is not much space to mod an 80he bc wooting has done so much.

[clever wharf]

I see

Does the 80he module include foam dampening?

[dry garden]

would you say it's worth replacing 60he Lekker switches for Gateron Jade?
Also, any slick keycaps you can think of to pair with magenta mouse and white/RGB PC build? My setup is a bit too black, including the desk and decided to liven it up a little with a white PC build (once 9800x3D arrives, hopefully still this year)

[kind helm]

if what you have is the OG 60he, you should replace it with raw he or jade pro. the original jade that is on wooting's website is pretty bad for what you can get right now.

@wild hemlock https://youtu.be/akooca7My-o?feature=shared you still looking for monitor? 👀

[dry garden]

Not sure if it's OG or not, ordered last Nov

[kind helm]

around the same time as me then, i think its the og one

definitely worth the upgrade if you care about sound or feel

also the newer one i think says 60he+ instead

[vague stag]

@kind helm - did you have a recording of your o-ring friction mount?

[sweet oak]

@tulip rapids which scraft did you grab

[kind helm]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message at least 2 out of 3 of these were friction mount. the middle one not sure if it was burger mount of friction mount.

i think the idea with this method is like 1. the force that keeps the keyboard in place is applied more evenly compare to tray burger mount, that would make the sound more even, because the side that is tighter/more stable, would create a higher pitch sound. 2. the pcb is not screwed into the plate, so the vibration causes by the key stroke does not go to the case directly, making it sound less "harsh".

Adding a piece of foam tape to the screw holes(maybe drop a layer of painter's tape first, if you want to be able to remove the foam tape more easily later on, because at least for the one i am using, the adhesive seems to be pretty tough), that would let pcb sit on top of the foam instead of the standoffs, making the sound even less "harsh".

The way i set up mine right now is basically 1. do the foam tape on the screw holes to lessen the harsh sound of pcb hitting the standoffs of the case. 2. put a brass weight to remove hollowness instead of using foam which filters out sound. brass weight just decreases resonance and lower the overall frequency. 3. use oring friction mount to ensure even force. I think this is a solid base for tofu60 modding, it solves everything that i consider as annoying without removing the original characteristic of the switches. Then you pop whatever foam you want in there on top to tweak the sound.

(wrote this while high, not a mechanical engineer, maybe wrong or sound incoherent :D)

[random loom]

guys question
has anyone tried to refund from ali express before

[obsidian tusk]

Is that ok to had killmat in my 80HE ? everething will fit ? (already have tape mod )

[polar girder]

Tape mod and kilmat kind of opposite purpose mods

But if they both fit, should be fine

I use kilmat in my 60HE build

[untold wigeon]

Same

[polar girder]

I finally fully attached it to my frog lol

Def sounds better

Still never tried PP vs Nylon vs Alu plates tho

[kind helm]

nylon plate?

[glass girder]

yall really have me considering the geon raws

[vague stag]

Isn’t the top of the kilmat conductive?

[polar girder]

Yeah

[kind helm]

isn't nylon some sort of fabric

[polar girder]

lol it’s just plastic

Can be a fabric

Can be pretty much anything lol

[kind helm]

ah

didn't know that

[polar girder]

PC, POM, PP, Nylon. All just plastics

Yeah you can do anything with plastic

Make soft fleece, make fake leather, make hard helmets

200 years from now this will definitely be known as the Plastic Age

[kind helm]

has anyone used keebsforall

i am thinking of selling my old monsgeek for cheap

[vague stag]

anyone know if the Neo75 will be mass produced, i.e be an in-stock product, or is the only way to get hold of it by buying it in the pre-order phase?

[ionic breach]

in stock

[vague stag]

ty

[split dagger]

Anyone know if the neo65 comes with stabilizers

https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/neo65-1?variant=43882014900467

[ionic breach]

yes

but its technically a gift

so if they accidentally did not add it in ur package, they wont send u another

[split dagger]

Crap alright

Just hope they add it then

Worse comes to worse I have to buy stabilizer which I have no idea which ones I need bc this is my first build

[kind helm]

holy neo65 is only 100?

[ionic breach]

ya

[kind helm]

keyboard scene is getting so much better every year

beautiful

[ionic breach]

neos are great for a reason

[split dagger]

Yea I was looking around and most ppl recommended it

[kind helm]

thought would be similar to qk series which is 150-200 i think

[split dagger]

Im so excited for my first build I already have the switches and keycaps ordered and I’m going to order the neo65 soon

I got HMX Butter Linear Switches and Drop DCX White on Black keycaps

[polar girder]

all I care about is HE scene tho

Also improving but long way to go

[kind helm]

yeee same

maybe L take but i think he is the future

[gilded hinge]

where can i get kilmat for cheap

and a small amount of it

[polar girder]

https://www.amazon.com/Kilmat-Sound-Deadener-License-Plate/dp/B0BBCZBVZ3/ref=asc_df_B0BBCZBVZ3/

Perfect size for 60HE (needs some trim but yeah)

[kind helm]

what is your setup right now :3

i checked out a few sound file you had here and i kinda dig it

[untold wigeon]

Finally set it back up after a few years.

[split dagger]

What kind of plate do you guys think I should get if im using hmx butter linear switches bc idk

[untold wigeon]

Pom

[split dagger]

Ok thanks

[kind helm]

it is personal preference

[split dagger]

Well I want thock so prob either the pom or pc

[kind helm]

i think possibly other than steel. everything else can sound very good

[harsh dove]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[ionic breach]

imo pom, pc, alu and cf are nice

[split dagger]

Oh yea I forgot about that channel

[stone flax]

butter

[ionic breach]

steel and fr4 is just not ideal

[stone flax]

they really name switches anything

hmx pepperoni and eggs

[stone flax]

y not keykobo

[split dagger]

Idk what those are

[kind helm]

kinda like weed, all sorts of weird a33 names

[stone flax]

brand/manu of keycaps

dcx kerning in particular sets is really wack

[split dagger]

It dose look like a little butter cube lol

[rose elm]

hey i have a question for u guys is there any difference between Gateron Jade Switch and any Lekker switch apart from sound?

[split dagger]

Oh well idk its really just what I found first

[stone flax]

just get keykobo if u can

[split dagger]

To late already ordered

[stone flax]

id genuinely pay for 10 dollar aifei v2 molds than dcx wob any day of the week

[stone flax]

wtv then

[split dagger]

Travel distance

[stone flax]

weights, bottom out feel, housing tolerances, wobble, closed bottom v open, rail bottom out vs pole, 3.4 vs 4.1mm travel

[rose elm]

oh yea i know that its 3,5 vs 4

[split dagger]

Yea thats all I know loll

[ionic breach]

cam u know how long till antagonist opens for gb?

[harsh dove]

If you’re wondering if it’ll affect performance, then no, they both work about the same with the Jades just having shorter travel.

[ionic breach]

the wiredin one

it looks really nice

[stone flax]

[harsh dove]

I think after the Protags are delivered

[ionic breach]

after or before sonoma?

[harsh dove]

Before

[split dagger]

Can someone tell me what o ring mounting does in simple and basic terms

[ionic breach]

oh shit

ill grab one then

wanted to get some wires anyways

[harsh dove]

Yeah iirc it’s, Protagonist > Antagonist > Sonoma

Lemme double check

Okay other way around, Protagonist > Sonoma > then Antagonist

[stone flax]

gummy o-ring mounting or burger?
Using a long o-ring around the plate and pcb allows you to press the whole assembly into the case and hold it with friction is what the first one is

[ionic breach]

welp time to strap in then

[harsh dove]

lol yeah they’re all great

Waiting for my protag

[uneven cradle]

Do be like that in the custom keyboard world

[polar girder]

Frog mini, kilmat case, PP plate with softest (50a I think) tadpoles), plate foam, hella oiled dual stage 35g springs in stock oiled black knights with PBS BoB keycaps and Wired In custom 8 core cable lol

Most my sound tests are with SA profile keycaps tho I think

And stock stabs lubed and half way greased

[kind helm]

custom 8 core cable 0.0 ?

[polar girder]

Need to swap in my SW knights

[stone flax]

stabilizer sound test

[kind helm]

nah chad for using stock stab

[stone flax]

ask for a sound test of stabs

[kind helm]

wire balancing skill is tested

[kind helm]

didn't even notice those are sa, looks flat from the top

[stone flax]

those arent

[kind helm]

ok i am not crazy just yet

[stone flax]

pbs profile

[kind helm]

i hate sa :3 tried a set off amazon, and i kept hitting other keys when i was trying to move my fingers when typing

now i get why its muted, the kilmat, suppirisingly it is not very low pitch because of that

[polar girder]

Those aren’t lol

They’re PBS

I said my sound tests are from SA

[kind helm]

now i wanna get some kilmat again, had some before i moved for the keyboard i carry around for work

the tofu60 i am using sounds a bit loud for my taste

[kind helm]

dual stage spring? from ali?

0.0!

[tawdry horizon]

is this accurate?

[last trout]

Got a 60HE from a local for $130 a couple of weeks ago. Anything else I'm missing? The foam in the board is a bit flat compared to what I've seen in others, so I might get kilmat unless there's a better option.

[polar girder]

Yeah

They’re alright

I liked them the best against BK stock, Lekker 35 spring and those

[kind helm]

i wanted to get those but my favorite russian man arcskyo said they are no good

[polar girder]

lol they’re decent

[kind helm]

but i guess he was comparing it against jade pro which is pretty good spring

fck i gonna spend 80 dollars on switch again...

[polar girder]

Yeah I mean I’d say its those dual stage ones, pingless and jade pro springs

The dual stage aren’t best sound but feel great

[kind helm]

neo lavander bottom with raw he tom and double stage spring

hella oiled

does it ping like crazy or wat

i dislike the pingless due to how short there are, i want the jade pro ones but i am not rich enough to get them just for the spring

[stone flax]

nyo

it looks right until u stare it a little longer

[kind helm]

can't be accurate i think since every factory may make it slightly differently, then you have different size and stuff to consider. but the ranking should be the same

for different boards & plate

[stone flax]

nuhuh

[polar girder]

Yeah idk if o would love or hate the pingless in an open bottom switch lol

[kind helm]

YES EDUCATE ME

[polar girder]

Like 35 drops for the bag lol

[stone flax]

idk science aspect of it but even qualitatively theres so much aspects surrounding just material that in real use these rankings are shot in terms of determining sound

[stone flax]

:<

[kind helm]

were you able to remove the ping after you done or it still kinda sucky

[stone flax]

1 to 1.5 per drops 10

:<

overoiling thockhead

[kind helm]

i think that chart just describes like one aspect of it

[stone flax]

he has a lubed pcb

😭

[stone flax]

but its really dumb to take that chart for sound

[tawdry horizon]

miaking the swtich from jade maxes to raw HEs was well worth it

[kind helm]

nah i think he cool. i think if he got open bottom lubed it would sdound like a33 cheek

because that happened to me

[stone flax]

black knights -_-

[kind helm]

true

[stone flax]

it is infact open bottom

[kind helm]

isn't black kngith open

[stone flax]

ergo

his pcb is lubed

[tawdry horizon]

for a tofu 60 is there different kinds of foam a person can apply? just curious

[kind helm]

oh wait i am dumb ass, i guess the knight's open bottom is different from the one raw has

raw's bottom with the little tube thingy is kinda special right

its fine still just wipe the pcb :V

[polar girder]

Yeah my PCB not dry

But it’s not every switch that gets some oil on it.

It’s very minimal

My springs don’t have much ping really

Just not that clean of a sound

[kind helm]

hmm

the fact that its heavily lubed and still got ping is kinda L

[stone flax]

nothing 35 more drops cant fix

[polar girder]

I mean idk

I’m like half deaf

I don’t notice any ping

Just not trying to claim they’re pingless lol

[kind helm]

ah okok that makes more sense

i respect the cautiousness

[kind helm]

i havent used a membrane keyboard in so long, they do be quiet af compare to mechanical... I kinda feel cringe for carrying around my silent box brown suddenly

edit: for context i just was using a membrane keyboard to setup stuff for work and had a thought

[calm pulsar]

da hail

35

[cedar gate]

why not just submerge them overnight 🤣

[fluid ravine]

where my turkey at

[calm pulsar]

here

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[tulip rapids]

ohh shit i forgot

is it still available?

[sweet oak]

Yes yes right now

[muted sapphire]

guys can i do the tape mod on top of the 80he film?

or do i have to remove it

it's cool i don't wanna remove it😔

[icy trellis]

Hey @someone_with_access: The case compatibility list contains this entry: https://wooting-technologies.notion.site/GH60-Anodizing-Aluminum-CNC-188f891fdf7044a9b1a6a531ff5b73d9 , but the second comment is wrong; the linked case looks more like a Tofu60. But I found this offer: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005001723219665.html instead, which seems to be 8$ cheaper currently, even though its not the "official" YMDK AliExpress store (which is linked in the entry itself). Also, I just (while writing this) found their website on which they also sell the case: https://ymdkey.com/products/gh60-aluminum-case-60-poker2-pok3r-faceu-60-yd60mq-qmk-pcb-gk61-gk64 . Maybe it would be nice to link there directly, in order to support them a bit more by cutting the AliExpress fees 😊

[stone flax]

the pet film on the back of the pcb already acts as a sort of tape mod

[muted sapphire]

we need MORE TAPE

[stone flax]

whats wrong with the current sound

[muted sapphire]

i need to mute it as much as i can

that's the trick with ceramic keycaps

[stone flax]

is the end goal here a keyboard that doesnt produce sound

[muted sapphire]

no no

i need to mute the higher frequencies

for thooooooooccc 😔

[stone flax]

🔫

[polar girder]

Tape is anti thock lol

[fluid ravine]

I feel you bro
May I join?

[kind helm]

coin mod?

[muted sapphire]

i saw that

lmao

[muted sapphire]

how

[kind helm]

add weight -> lower overall frequency of the board

you can even use your tape for it 😄

[stone flax]

:<

[kind helm]

<:3

[fallen echo]

I was wondering if you would just use your leftover cash money in there like a piggy bank xD

[kind helm]

i lowkey wouldve add more weight to tofu if i have coins. haven't used cash in idk how long

[tulip rapids]

ima go buy the spacebar

what did you get?

[sweet oak]

Havent gotten stuff yet

Still deciding

[muted sapphire]

i will have to go get some of those

the euro cents are bigger

[kind helm]

if you do that please @ me for the sound test. would love to hear the before and after

[calm pulsar]

better spend those coins on a good case lol

[kind helm]

think bro is doing 80he. L design with L case only

unfortunately

@muted sapphire which case you have/getting

plastic, alu, or zinc

i just checked zinc is pretty heavy

[calm pulsar]

I mean I think 80he's cases don't really need additional weight

[kind helm]

if its alu or plastic then i think weight would help

from my very limited understanding, alu case is just a whole piece of alu no brass weight or whatever there

wait nvm they dont even have alu option

just plastic or zinc

🤡 i am a clown

[stone flax]

whay

[stone flax]

yeah

[kind helm]

yea i think the zinc version is heavy enough but for the plastic one probably not

[polar girder]

Tape is like clapping

Makes louder the noise

Like sound waves reflect off of it. It doesn’t absorb anything

[tulip rapids]

silly question but if i want to remove preexistent lube from a wire for a stab will power towel be enough or should i use 99% Isopropyl Alcohol ?

[kind helm]

i just use paper towel

[tulip rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-handshake-deal-agree-gif-7134721403924803840

ty

[calm pulsar]

I bathe my switch parts in soapy water and then wipe them

[kind helm]

i just think that since i am putting the lube back on there, it doesn't need to be perfectly clean. but i am a dumbass, no one should follow me

[calm pulsar]

yeah, which is why I think tape mod fucking sucks

[kind helm]

but its poppy

[calm pulsar]

no I mean that's valid
I just do it cause I also mess a lot with switch part and they get dusty

[kind helm]

i think for switch you need to be extra careful so you don't accidentally leave like small strings of fabric in there. but for stab, especially wire. i think its hard to fck up. unless you use like different types of lube and somehow they mix together and turn into some voodoo mental corrupting s44t

[stone flax]

wow

[calm pulsar]

I think it does get mixed in the stabs, but it's not an issue

[kind helm]

did i say something stupid again

[random loom]

Is that soul knight

[stone flax]

yesh

[random loom]

I haven’t played that game in ages holy sheet

[stone flax]

me neither but i needed a new picture

[calm pulsar]

poser

[stone flax]

:<

[random loom]

I quitted after realising I can do the kameyourmama with airbender

[stone flax]

😭

wtf

[kind helm]

i dont think its a issue either in case my wording was pointing toward that direction. but i am no chemist so i can't say for sure

[calm pulsar]

as long as thicker lube stays near the metal wire its fine

[stone flax]

idek which that one is when i quit my fav were alchemist and assasin

[cedar gate]

Tried the silicone sandwich pad for a few weeks not my thing I liked foam waaay better

[tulip rapids]

for how long

[calm pulsar]

like 30 mins, with some stirring every 10 minutes
but again if your switches are relatively new it's likely fine to just wipe the lube off

actually not sure why you're even lubing your raws, they should be fine stock, just lube the springs and that's it

[tulip rapids]

im lubing the wire for the stabs because for reason some of the stabs have rattle sound to it and then when i press the keycap down on one side i feel it sticking a bit

[calm pulsar]

oh the stabs

I thought of switches

[tulip rapids]

i might do those too

some of them have rattle sound to them as well

[kind helm]

wait how does switch rattle

[tulip rapids]

but after i open them up if i see theyre fine i'll just lube the springs

[tulip rapids]

forgive me for being new into the modding community

[stone flax]

Bc they do

[tulip rapids]

but some of the switches sound different compared to the other switches

[barren wasp]

is it just me or does my wooting sound so much thockier on one side than the other side

[tulip rapids]

(im comparing with my geon raws i have installed into my kb)

[stone flax]

obviously

[tulip rapids]

or maybe the term im looking for is ping sounding

[stone flax]

nature of traymount

[kind helm]

ping is from spring, yee lube the spring you cool

[kind helm]

how though, it got no wire to tick around in there

[tulip rapids]

but the main issue i have is the stabs sounding weird when they didnt sound like that at first

so theyre getting fresh lube

[stone flax]

not the same type or rattle, maybe more apt of a descriptor is chatter from bad tolerances, in mx theres further possibilities in the inclusion of a leaf

[calm pulsar]

damn I hope I don't have to lube my hmx switches

[stone flax]

just think if it as rattly noise from wobble, same exact rattle from a stab wire flying around the housings

[tulip rapids]

i'll upload a video tomorrow explaining my issue. Im not home rn. (showing why the stabs sound weird)

[stone flax]

Whatd u get

[tulip rapids]

yeah i got the wooting kit from their website

[calm pulsar]

geon extreme gaming, which are made by hmx, but also thinking of some cherry mx, and other hmx switches

[stone flax]

ic

ya

[tulip rapids]

it came with lube, deilectric grease, switch puller, two pain brushers and something else. I was buying their pc plate from their so i decided to get the lube kit as well

yeah love me free shipping

[kind helm]

ah btw is the chatter coming from the the wobble essentially? because i remember thockson had this switch tape thing where he improved the tightness of the top housing and made the lekker v1 sounded clearer.

[stone flax]

ya

[deft sail]

typeplus or stabies

[limber wave]

Hi i don't know where to ask this but is the 60he getting 8khz in the near future?

[harsh dove]

[harsh dove]

Of the hmx switches I’ve gotten, they have good factory lube tbh

[calm pulsar]

that's good
I've also seen in reviews, that they even have lubed springs

should be a common practice for HE since the springs are louder on HE switches

[limber wave]

Any idea when?

[calm pulsar]

who said 60% hall effect 8khz

[uneven cradle]

[calm pulsar]

im waiting for a wooting 60he 8khz too

[uneven cradle]

Well you might be waiting a while

[stone flax]

which ones have u gotten

[calm pulsar]

geon keeps me occupied in the meantime🙏

[uneven cradle]

I keep my 80he at 1k anyway

[harsh dove]

Canglan, xinhai, macchiato

[calm pulsar]

for a keyboard I think 8k isnt that bad, but for a mouse I would intentionally use 1k or 2k

in terms of CPU usage I mean ^

[calm pulsar]

are they long pole? im thinking of getting geon's extreme gaming mx which is made my hmx and I believe they are very very long pole lol, 3mm travel

I wonder if it's too short

[stone flax]

almost all are

like literally

i think theres one or two non-lp hmx

[harsh dove]

Yeah except the macchiatos

Maccis are 4mm

[calm pulsar]

ic ic

[calm pulsar]

love me some long pole

[stone flax]

gets boring

[calm pulsar]

for full travel I might just get a tactile switch

[stone flax]

or clickies

[calm pulsar]

omron opticals for each keyboard switch💀

[obsidian tusk]

just tried both mod on my 80he , can't fit anything else in it ahah , i had to screw everything back for everything to fit nicely

[stone flax]

does it sound thocky and creamy

sound test time

[obsidian tusk]

geon raw he btw

[thorn zealot]

U guys seen wootings new post on twitter

I mean x.com

!!!

[quiet bay]

ye the case is clean

but imo waiting more on owlabs now that I've seen theirs

[fluid ravine]

what's the post abt

oh the owlab case colab?

still waiting on the optimum for the sake of it lmfao

[last trout]

Not me literally having a Tofu60 arriving on Tuesday and they finally post about the Optimum case 🥲

[fluid ravine]

i mean it's been months

still waiting on it :/

just curious on how it will turn out

[quiet bay]

the optimum case

[fluid ravine]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

got a link?

[quiet bay]

https://x.com/WootingKB/status/1855265400230928466

Wooting (@WootingKB) on X

Soon™ for real this time?👀
@OptimumTechYT

Twitter · Nov 9, 2024, 3:05 PM

[fluid ravine]

oh finally

thought it was about owlab

haha

like how the edges are curved

[last trout]

I know. I mean, I'll probably still get it when it drops. That is, assuming you can buy just the case and they don't make it an exclusive full build with the HE+ module and Optimum keycaps

[fluid ravine]

the feet doe

i still wanna use my own bumpons lol

[upbeat sluice]

endgame gear op1 8k >

i got a 14700kf tho

[calm pulsar]

I can run it too on 7800x3d, but don't want to use extra cpu just for an extra ms

[upbeat sluice]

I use it because 1k polling doesn't line up well with 360 hz

[calm pulsar]

yeah with even higher refresh monitor it makes sense

I have a 165 panel
want to upgrade to an oled soon, just need to figure out whether it's worth it with the glare

[late solstice]

For sure worth it, and glare issue is overblown

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think so too, but my lightning in the room is also kinda bad, so it might be more of a problem for me 😄

[steep cape]

half the games I play lag if I play using it above 2k

[upbeat sluice]

hardware issue

[steep cape]

i have a 78003d and 4080 super though

i think its the games

[upbeat sluice]

what games

[calm pulsar]

I mean needing a beefy cpu just for 8k is not worth it xd

[upbeat sluice]

well eventually every cpu is gonna have no problem with 8k anyway how is it not worth it lmao

[steep cape]

i dont remember at this point since I just set it to 2k so i don't have to worry

[calm pulsar]

depending on the game it hurts cpu performance for literal 0.875 ms of advantage

[steep cape]

but kovaaks pretty much lags no matter what i do unless I have 1k

[upbeat sluice]

idk i only play like osu valorant and overwatch sometimes, i don't get problems on any of those

[calm pulsar]

yeah these ones should be totally fine

in tarkov im sure it will hurt bad even on 7800x3d 4080

[upbeat sluice]

uh yea idk

does gpu even affect it at all?

[calm pulsar]

I guess if the gpu is beefy enough it might alleviate the fps/input lag difference
but other than that, the mouse registration happens through cpu, at least I think so

[upbeat sluice]

also i noticed different mouse sometimes like stutter mouse, like razers 8k is pretty perfect ngl while lamzus is kinda bad

[calm pulsar]

yeah probably also depends on how well the mouse firmware or dongle can handle 8k

[thorn zealot]

Whats owlabs

Sauce me a pic

[glacial wind]

I wonder what angle the optimum case is

The only thing I dislike about owlabs is they always do 7 degrees

It’s one of the reasons I like mode actually. They do low angles on their cases

[paper bloom]

Vheck ur hardware

Accel

Turn it off

[paper bloom]

Its a alumaxe degree

Alumaze*

They alrdy said in the podcast that its going to be similar to the alumaze

Or the stream

[paper bloom]

7 degree cases are rlly not that bad esp if u got heavy switches for my case ig

[tropic urchin]

If you go for the new QD OLED, they’re semi glossy (should be ok for glare), OLED is so worth it

[glacial wind]

they said price wise though. I don't recall them saying alumaze degree

might be though since wooting prefers lower angles, unless optimum specifically requested something different

[jade storm]

Klippe T supremacy

[paper bloom]

I remember they said so during the leaks on the 2nd stream

If im not wrong

They said theyre doing something cool with the optimum and said the pricing but the design will be diff

To my guess is that its something similar to the 461E

[thorn zealot]

Thanks

Idk how to feel abt the looks

It’s a bit much for me

[steep cape]

It is

[paper bloom]

Hm thats odd then

Ur browser might have it as well

[quasi hinge]

glossy oled in the dark is the best

[kind helm]

same cpu running val with 8k pooling rate, but i guess tarkov is a much better looking game that needs more juice

[fallen echo]

Oh hey. the store returned back to me. my ttc uranus batch will ship tomorrow. yay me.

[jaunty ruin]

anything above 2k polling will be so insignificant it wont even matter, however if u feel can run 8k and u feel better on it then dont change it, whether its placebo or it works for u dont think abt it too much just use it

[fallen echo]

even 2k is debatable, depending on your settings

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar LEGGERA & PESANTE, AEboard EC switch, Tools GEON is streaming

what is that!

[muted sapphire]

zinc (black)

[muted sapphire]

ugh

[kind helm]

its still high pitch with 1445 gram | 3.18lb of weight?

i guess foam is the way then

[muted sapphire]

it's 3 kg

ceramic keycaps 🤓

[knotty iron]

Weird thing is for my 80HE 10 minutes+ upon plugging it in, it still feels slower than my 60HE+, but when I turn on tachyon, use it for a minute, feels way snappier, then I disable it after 5 minutes, it still feels as fast as with tachyon still enabled.

My RGB settings are 70% global brightness, Blue Spectrum 4.0s, Rapid Trigger Display.

Clearly the hardware is not the issue but some performance things need to be ironed out on initial powerup

[jaunty ruin]

it seems like u just have to get used to how different the keyboard itself feels.

it is said that the 80he is better in terms of typing feel and just general use would feel better than the 60he (i have 60he and i can confirm it does feel a bit eh sometimes but i bought it for its performance so its a non issue to me)

the 80he is definitely faster than the 60he but not by alot, and most people will not be able to feel a difference in terms of speed. the difference most people are describing is that the 80he just feels different, which is why i said its probably just because you have to get used to it :)

[gaunt plume]

I made a magnetic switch tester with an unused keyboard!

[hollow pier]

GEON Raw HE Switch - 50gf
Considered the best switch for gaming? (FPS games)

[kind helm]

no disrepect on the effort, but doesn't different location affect the sound? especially with the way plate is mounted to the pcb

[kind helm]

there is close to no performance difference between different switches.

[hollow pier]

Yeah I understand, but feeling/smoothness/wobbel etc will change with the Raw's

[kind helm]

yea but that is not GAMING, that is just... keyboard...

like in terms of latency there is close to no difference. but of course some switches are more enjoyable to use than others

[hollow pier]

True, but the feeling of rapid key presses is impacted by it

[jaunty ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKID0ORh1xk this kids mic is overly eq'ed but skip a bit in the video and u can find a ton of different switches tested (including the GEON Raw HE)

[hollow pier]

Thäks, will have a look

[jaunty ruin]

:)

[stone flax]

stop saying stuff

no u wont climb from bronze to silver by switching from lekkers to raws

[jaunty ruin]

😭

[stone flax]

the “rApId kEyPreSseS” aint doing shit

[jaunty ruin]

he just wants the best switch bro

[stone flax]

best switch for gaming is a senseless question

[hollow pier]

salty mj? want the best switches for the best keyboard?

[stone flax]

about as substantive as best switch for typing

[stone flax]

uhhuh

therein lies the fault

[hollow pier]

like why not get the optimal switches?

[stone flax]

switches are preference

lmfao

whats best for you isnt best for me nor best for three

[hollow pier]

ofc, but some are better than lekkers?

[stone flax]

in terms of what

[hollow pier]

feeling

[stone flax]

elaborate

[jaunty ruin]

preference based on whats good and whats bad, i spoke to alot of ppl in here a few weeks ago and we had a laugh abt wooting's first versions of the lekker60's

[hollow pier]

read above what i want to change

lekkers are not that good IMO

[jaunty ruin]

lekkers arent horrible but in terms of custom keyboards theyre definitely not the best out there (duh, theyre stock)

[stone flax]

whats ur preference in terms of
pole vs rail bottom out
travel distance
open vs closed bottom
rails design

[hollow pier]

yes, why I am asking for alterantives

[stone flax]

lmk

[hollow pier]

smoother & less wobble

[jaunty ruin]

in my opinion id say Jade Pro's are the very best ones out there right now

but theyre expensive

[stone flax]

add switch tape to lekkers and lube them

done deal

[stone flax]

answer pls

[jaunty ruin]

so if u dont care abt the sound profile (as much as i do) then the GEON Raw HE and Black Knight arent bad options either, especially for their prices

[hollow pier]

might aswell get new switches than trying to fix something subpar

[stone flax]

ur still gonna have to more likely than not tune stuff like black knights even if u want a similar switch

springs on them are oiled up

[gaunt plume]

I am aware that the sound can change depending on the position of the switch.
It's for magnetic switch beginners😉

[kind helm]

👀 you count the time you need to do that, let's say you are doing a minimal wage job. 15 usd per hr. that takes lets say you are skillful, 4hrs. thats 60 usd. at that point get raw or jade pro. i'd say, unless you really want lekker's sound after its improved

[jaunty ruin]

new switches will make your keyboard feel new, but if u havent done the simple mods i would suggest u do them when u get the new switches :)

[stone flax]

mmmmm i love keyboards

i want the best gaming switch

[jaunty ruin]

i really want the jade max but ive heard many issues with wobbling and just overall inconsistencies so thats a bummer, but if they fix that then ill definitely be suggesting those, as they sound great to me and they allow for a shit ton of RGB pass through

[stone flax]

its not consistency problems

its consistently bad

[jaunty ruin]

LOL

have u seen the rgb pass through on them tho? its insane how thats all just from the switch being used

[kind helm]

fugly

[stone flax]

i guess

ugly imo

[jaunty ruin]

im not a big rgb guy but it looks satisfying asf when u look at the other switches pass through

https://youtu.be/LKID0ORh1xk?t=313

jade pros still make me hard everytime 😢

[kind helm]

👀 btw isn't stock 80he stuffed with foam? doesn't that filter out the characteristic of the switches?

[hollow pier]

shorter bottom out
less wobble
less friction (smoothness)

what I would like

Why I am asking if the Geon Raw HE will be the best on the market for this, dont care about sound etc - just want the optimal performance switch

[kind helm]

you don't care about sound or whatever just use lekker then

[jaunty ruin]

i dont know much about boards to be completely honest but i could imagine ur right, it depends on the amount of foam tho. but either way u can (or i can) tell a massive difference between the switches being tested in the video

[kind helm]

true da

[hollow pier]

dont really like the feeling of the lekkers - but Geon Raw HE will not be that much better?

[jaunty ruin]

every HE switch will have pretty much same (gaming) performance but its about how they feel that makes them very different, and i'd suggest u get something that u like the sound of aswell as have heard good things about (such as the GEON Raw HE, cheap, reliable and good rep for what they are)

[kind helm]

in terms of latency for GAMING, nope

[jaunty ruin]

think hes talking abt the switch feel, and for that, yeah they will feel much better than lekkers

[hollow pier]

So Jade's and Raw's are the "best" options than

[kind helm]

jade pro

[jaunty ruin]

over time u can get tired of hollow sounding keyboards (like i did) and thats gonna make u wanna upgrade stuff and customize to ur own liking

[jaunty ruin]

as josh said its very important that u get the jade pros and not the stock ones

[hollow pier]

noted.

Closed back headphones, so that's why sound is not an issue - only the feeling of the switches

[jaunty ruin]

the sound is also gonna pass thru the feeling

[kind helm]

then jade pro would be better than raw in my opinion

[jaunty ruin]

very true ^

[kind helm]

longer spring on jade pro -> snappy return

[jaunty ruin]

jade pros are known for being the most liked by majority of reviewers and enthusiasts

[hollow pier]

ok great, i'll take a closer look at them

[fallen echo]

I have a batch of ttc uranus esports and ttc POM magnetics coming in.

will compare to geon

[jaunty ruin]

ooo

what board do u have

[fallen echo]

60he+ / PC / tofu60 redux / silicone and foam

[jaunty ruin]

nice

[hollow pier]

rocking Raw's now @fallen echo ?

[fallen echo]

yeah

[jaunty ruin]

general question, do people not tend to do the tape mod (taping back of pcb, with a few layers typically)?

or is that a rookie mod

[stone flax]

anything is optimal

again

ur not going bronze to silver from a switch change

[kind helm]

its fun to try id say, i think either side has many users at this point.

[hollow pier]

mj, what's up with the bronze talk? I want the optimal switch for the keyboard

[kind helm]

if this guy is another tier 2 "pro" player that would be hella funny

[jaunty ruin]

😹😹

[hollow pier]

if he was any good he would understand you want the best switch for the keyboard - probably did not help his gameplay

[fallen echo]

there is no objective optimal switch tho. at least not in general. maybe for very specific use cases

[hollow pier]

i think everybody would agree that less wobble and less friction is better?

[kind helm]

the funny part is most who come here asking for the "best" do not understand what is the "best" they are asking about

[jaunty ruin]

i get what u mean @hollow pier but they are right, u cant really generalize a personal preference thing, but yeah we discussed jade pro and geon raw he are really well put together (jade pros more)

[ruby hill]

Any info about this?

[jaunty ruin]

optimum 😻

[jaunty ruin]

link the video rq

[hollow pier]

still waiting for his 80HE review

[jaunty ruin]

i think we can all agree that optimum has some of the best and reasonable opinions about tech stuff

[kind helm]

low key though that case kinda looks like an L. from the image at least it looks really thin. hopefully it is just a part of the whole build like the one owlab is working on

[jaunty ruin]

thats why i wanted the link to the video, so i could tell whether it actually is that thin or not

[glacial wind]

? What you mean thin

[jaunty ruin]

height

[glacial wind]

we’ve seen the whole case already, you can see it in previous wooting booth tours

[jaunty ruin]

it looks very short in terms of height

[jaunty ruin]

u mind showing me it or linking it? i dont know the name of it or anything to go off whatsoever

[glacial wind]

Just check the first wooting booth tour video awhile back

[kind helm]

the one from 2 weeks again?

[glacial wind]

Nah the og one even earlier before 80he deliveries

Although I think they might have shown glimpses of the optimum one in that other tour too

[glacial wind]

It’s been in the livestreams of the booths too

[fluid ravine]

Thicc ah bezels

[kind helm]

any idea what is the mounting method?

[fluid ravine]

Tray mount

[jaunty ruin]

sexy tho

[hollow pier]

it's clean

[polar girder]

Basic af

[jaunty ruin]

good basic tho

[polar girder]

Lol yeah it’s clean

[jaunty ruin]

u can find basic ass cases which look rlly ugly

[kind helm]

yee... L... kinda guessed after sno mentioned that is from before 80he

[kind helm]

no space for weight either?

[paper bloom]

Ita a def alumaze degree

[glacial wind]

Looks fine for me. 60he isn’t really about gasket mounting anyway

[fluid ravine]

Yea

[paper bloom]

Say is the venom60He a 8k polling rate ?

[fluid ravine]

[glacial wind]

Yeah

[fluid ravine]

Think so

[paper bloom]

I mean its an optional mount

[paper bloom]

Was thinking about copping it

@fluid ravine ill get u ur case soon im shipping out for BCT

On 3rd of JAN

2025

[glacial wind]

I never got the obsession with gasket mount for he keyboard. You don’t really get all that much benefit in he anyway

[kind helm]

still waiting on my venom60he

[knotty iron]

i think its 8k polling 3k scan

[fluid ravine]

Oop I forgot abt that thing you said

[glacial wind]

it’s like 4-6k scan depending on things

[paper bloom]

Damn now i kinda wanna get it

LOL

Does it need software ?

[glacial wind]

Its web software

[kind helm]

wait its turkeyson now? bro can't wait from thanks giving break

[paper bloom]

O i c

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-friends-friendstv-friends-tv-tvfriends-gif-8687058205692198931

[sweet oak]

Thackson has so much lore

So many names, so much lore

[paper bloom]

Listen every1 has diff names

From counter to counter the cardboard user

[sweet oak]

The evolution is far grander

[paper bloom]

Agreed

[fluid ravine]

[kind helm]

👀 btw are you running no foam now after you did the foam tape thingy

[fluid ravine]

Yeah

[polar girder]

Thanksgiving my favorite holiday

[fluid ravine]

Absolutely no foam

[polar girder]

So chill

[paper bloom]

I was insane enough

[kind helm]

how you liking it

[polar girder]

So enjoyable

[glacial wind]

I have it on good authority you’ll be happy with the angle if that’s what you’re worried about with optimum case

[fluid ravine]

Not bad

[paper bloom]

To buy 2 glass mousepads

[sweet oak]

Christmas is my always my time of year

[fluid ravine]

Pretty impressed with the fact there isn't any hollowness or ping still

[polar girder]

Yooo I kind of want a glass mousepad

[paper bloom]

Wgat u wanna get ?

[sweet oak]

I get to be ultimate festive during christmas

[fluid ravine]

But kinda make sense cus literally the pcb is not making any contact with the case after that bs

[paper bloom]

I got the yuki aim 2.0 glsswrks

Hana and kazemi

[fluid ravine]

Same

[paper bloom]

I havent gotten the yuki aim yet

[polar girder]

Well skypad 4.0 was top of my list but I think it’s too small for me

[fluid ravine]

Was thinking of the sc004p

[paper bloom]

@glacial wind so do u happen to know

Say*

[fluid ravine]

However you spell it

[paper bloom]

If silicate glass is durable

[sweet oak]

I wish the glass pads werent mostly comprised of anime women

[paper bloom]

Id say get the control ones

If ur a control guy

[fluid ravine]

Scoop

[paper bloom]

And proper skates

[glacial wind]

what I'm curious about more is if now that they have another more basic design for the optimum case, if they plan to use that same design and do stonewashed raw version

[polar girder]

Control what

[paper bloom]

I want me some anime women

[paper bloom]

Control glasspad

[polar girder]

What does that even mean

Which one

[sweet oak]

Gimme some godzilla shit, that would go hard

[glacial wind]

no idea honestly, I've only ever played around with glass pads but never bought my own

[kind helm]

find the ahegao keycaps

[glacial wind]

they said stonewashed raw would be experimented and come to 60he eventually. Would be cool if there's a similar simple design like optimum case for 80he and 60he and we finally get the true stonewashed raw case

[paper bloom]

Theres a godzilla glass pad

[sweet oak]

There’s plenty of ahego caps to go around for the entire world

[paper bloom]

Alrdy knowem but na

[sweet oak]

AND NO ONE TOLD ME?

[paper bloom]

O ic

[paper bloom]

Dude u missing out LOL

Hard

Rn

@sweet oak https://arbiterstudio.com/products/godzilla-collection-glasspad?srsltid=AfmBOoqABn7pO0ORzZDaJxKA-NHEVorCHzv_kntYbErTYYRNvPssj18E

[glacial wind]

my one problem with glasspads is cloth pads are just way more comfortable

[sweet oak]

im always too busy trying to find my new stylish deskmat

[glacial wind]

the slight padding under your arm and wrist is nice

[sweet oak]

Maybe ill go keebmat

[paper bloom]

I fine the glasspads way more comfortable than clotj

Cloth(

Idk

[glacial wind]

that's a bit odd

[kind helm]

ow gamer?

[paper bloom]

No lol

[glacial wind]

maybe he means tracking wise or something

[paper bloom]

Na im a val

And tac fps gamer

[sweet oak]

@glacial wind i know you have a keebmat, but which size do you have for your 80he?

[kind helm]

tac gamer that likes glass pad

[paper bloom]

The glass is way more comfortable for me ig

[glacial wind]

cloth pads are just universally more comfortable feel wise than glass normally, since one is hard and one is soft

[kind helm]

now i need to know your rank

[paper bloom]

I cld track better than cloth

[glacial wind]

yeah i'm talking pure comfort as in how it feels on your hand and skin

[paper bloom]

Im hardstuck gold

[glacial wind]

not as in control etc

[paper bloom]

Im like gold 1-2

[kind helm]

and that is all I need sry

[paper bloom]

Im slowly gonna reach plat to diamind

Diond*

Diamond*

For siege i was sil 3 peak this season but cuz of the siege servers and solo q

I hurted my rank down

[glacial wind]

nothing wrong with glass pads for tact fps, but man you really need to grind a lot of training to use them well in tact fps

[paper bloom]

Not rlly

It easily translated for me

Idk how but i adapted

[stone flax]

almost anything is better than tray

[glacial wind]

i mean no offense but you're gold. Nothing wrong with that but there's no way your aim is at that level yet

[paper bloom]

NOT AT THE level of immo

YEA

But gold is alrdy hard to get

If ur solo q

[kind helm]

toxic but very true id say

xD

[glacial wind]

i'm talking more like to fully track and utilize a glass pad it takes immortal level aim mechanics

[paper bloom]

Uhh ts translateable

[glacial wind]

because you have to grind a lot of aim trainers to really smooth out the jitters and control

[paper bloom]

True on that part

[chilly mural]

Just bought a glass mousepad for that, can't wait to suffer with it in arma

[paper bloom]

I use it for ground branch and milsim games

Its still good

[paper bloom]

Looks like its time to get immortal rank in val

LOL

[glacial wind]

yes it translates, but even as someone who is fairly highly ranked on aim trainers on tracking, I don't transition as easily

[polar girder]

Well you have a glass pad so nothing holding you back now !!

[paper bloom]

Idk then

Its probs preference

Or the way u sit

[glacial wind]

i'm not saying you can't transfer over the skill, but rather that glass pad = you need to put in the hours to grind the skill to use it as well as a cloth pad

[polar girder]

I’m a PTFE on cloth pad user

Curious about glass tho

[glacial wind]

it's not preference, it's just purely a skill thing

[paper bloom]

Oh

[jaunty ruin]

if we're talking abt val then dont ever solo q

[paper bloom]

I c wym now

[glacial wind]

glass = less control and you need time to grind it

[jaunty ruin]

go to the lfg server n find ppl

takes a few seconds

[paper bloom]

Thats what i agree

But then again solo q to gold

Is as hars as it is

Hard*

Esp asian servers

Fucking pain

[kind helm]

think more like glass = more difficult to stop, which is useful for static, which is a large(arguably..) part of tac game

[paper bloom]

I think its the stop and switch movement idk there are top val players

[jaunty ruin]

i solo q'ed to asc2 and it took more effort than cumming 2 times in a row

[paper bloom]

Who used a control glasspad and cooked

[glacial wind]

glass transfers every part of your aim into the pad, so you really have to be crazy top tier to not feel all the mistakes as much

[polar girder]

I just realized I had enhanced Pointer Precision on for the last couple months , last night

I’m cooked

[glacial wind]

it kind of shows off where the mistakes are in your technique and aim because you have less friction to rely on

[kind helm]

how do you mean transfer. its just different speed compare to cloth, its not like cloth is holding you back in anyway.

[jaunty ruin]

i was just gonna mention this

sp-004 seems to be what i would get if/when i go glass pad

[paper bloom]

U know what they say

[kind helm]

ic thats true

[paper bloom]

Good to polish mistakes

[glacial wind]

i'm top 500 in bunch of the popular aim tracking exercises and i'm still not fully comfortable with it

takes a lot of time to really get used to glass

[jaunty ruin]

with cloth u can do dumb shit and it wont be dumb, but on a glass pad u do the same thing and u get punished heavy due to how raw your input is gonna be

[paper bloom]

Im p comfortable

[jaunty ruin]

its like the difference between a hard brush and a soft brush

[paper bloom]

But yea

[jaunty ruin]

depending on the situation they could both be better than eachother

[kind helm]

though when you wanna win pad that is more appropriate for the scenarios would be "better"

[glacial wind]

honestly speaking if your aim is actually good you'll be diamond no problems, even on asian servers

[polar girder]

Yeah but his point his that you’re also ass at FPS

[glacial wind]

solo queue even

[paper bloom]

Its good to be ass

[polar girder]

lol respectfully

[paper bloom]

Good time to work on it

[jaunty ruin]

yeah rn is a great time to be a bad player

[polar girder]

lol I think thing with glass pad his much higher skill ceiling

[kind helm]

asian server according to aspas and i think jing is the most skilled server

[jaunty ruin]

the amount of help u can get just by asking is insane

[paper bloom]

Yea LOL

[polar girder]

And cloth pad higher skill floor

[glacial wind]

yeah i play on asian servers myself

[jaunty ruin]

this

[paper bloom]

Which one KR jp ?

[glacial wind]

kr

[paper bloom]

Ok thats cooked

[kind helm]

have you played other severs?

[glacial wind]

yeah i mess around on the other servers sometimes, but mainly kr server because better ping

[stone flax]

????

[kind helm]

i play only na but i watched some eu and asian stuff. asian has the best vibe easily

[polar girder]

What fps game you play? @glacial wind

[glacial wind]

valorant

[polar girder]

Ah right

[stone flax]

u overestimate the amount of mouse control the average person has

[polar girder]

Cool

[stone flax]

people play on literal mud and 70g mice on 130cm/360

[jaunty ruin]

i aim the best with my hand being slightly uncomfy (just got the viper v3 pro like a month ago), that just goes to show that sometimes u do need to not be comfortable to perform ur best (changes from person to person)

[paper bloom]

Yea

[stone flax]

Cloth does not have a higher skill floor lmao

[paper bloom]

This is what i agree on

[jaunty ruin]

cloth is way easier to use than glass, thats what he meant

[paper bloom]

Dont forget glass breaks

Easily

If u fuck up

HARD

Cloth is ckoth

[stone flax]

?? Then he literally means its a lower skill floor

[jaunty ruin]

but also dont forget glass stays consistent all around

[stone flax]

Lmfao

[polar girder]

Pull a Niko and shatter your shit

[stone flax]

So ur saying he meant the opposite shit

lol

[jaunty ruin]

where as cloth will deteriorate over time

[polar girder]

Yeah and cloth more work to clean

[kind helm]

he said higehr skill floor though...

[jaunty ruin]

he never said that wdym

[stone flax]

cloth is lower skill floor

[jaunty ruin]

oh wait ur right

[kind helm]

oh wait i am braindead you right

[jaunty ruin]

i misunderstood the meaning of skill floor

LOL

[stone flax]

lmao

[jaunty ruin]

we meant the same thing but u actually know the terms

[glacial wind]

i like viscose approach to glass pads more than actually using glass pads for tact fps

[stone flax]

skill floor = minimum effort and skill expression for results, skill ceiling = maxiumum effort and skill expression

cloth is lower skill floor

wtf is hard to understand here

[glacial wind]

where she uses it to find the mistakes in her technique and find where she needs to train via using fast glass pad

[stone flax]

god strat

i love switching to glass when my mouse control feels lacking

[paper bloom]

Its good

[polar girder]

That’s interesting

[jaunty ruin]

https://criminal.host/e38pof7fan6m.png

[paper bloom]

To help with muscle memory

And raw inout

Input*

[jaunty ruin]

@polar girder hes not wrong

[polar girder]

Just use it as exercise

[glacial wind]

muscle memory is a bit of a myth for aiming

[kind helm]

dont say muscle memory

[polar girder]

I have him blocked so idk what he’s saying. All good.

[kind helm]

people gonna roast you bb

[stone flax]

untrue

[jaunty ruin]

ty for reminding me i just unreacted

biggie and i meant 2 different things

[glacial wind]

glass pads are a giant pain in the ass to store though

[jaunty ruin]

what is actually hard about storing them?

is it like just the fact that its glass

[glacial wind]

they take up that entire space

[jaunty ruin]

ohh

[paper bloom]

I mean u cld always get a hardcase for em and store it somewhere else

[jaunty ruin]

wait u cant have anything even laying on them? like a phone, tweezers or like anything random at all

[glacial wind]

that and i refuse to full time use a glass pad until they release more non anime girl ones that are non stick coated

[jaunty ruin]

wait u just opened my eyes

there are non stick glass pads?

[glacial wind]

kinda, it's not fully non stick but glsswrk for example has coated pads that are much less sticky than normal glass

[stone flax]

i correct you too many times @-@

[paper bloom]

Like the kazemi

[kind helm]

whats wrong with sleeve :3

[glacial wind]

but they're also all anime designs so never touching those

[jaunty ruin]

is the sp-004 one of them? ive had that one in mind for a while now and i kinda wanna try it

[glacial wind]

unfortunately not

[jaunty ruin]

aw damn

[jaunty ruin]

i fw that

i hate how anime has taken over every branch of gaming peripherals

[glacial wind]

it's cause it sells. The collectors eat it up and buy every variation that gets released

[jaunty ruin]

😭

[sweet oak]

True

[glacial wind]

the demographic of collectors just love anime pads

[jaunty ruin]

literally so dumb but ur right

[glacial wind]

glasspads with anime designs is literally printing money right now

[jaunty ruin]

might become the new dropshipping method

or maybe it already is

[paper bloom]

It alrdy is

[sweet oak]

Next theyll make anime glass body pillows to get the collectors

[paper bloom]

LOL

[jaunty ruin]

LOL

[paper bloom]

Anime glass table

BOOM

9k out of their wallets appear

[sweet oak]

Finally, a fictional womans touch

[kind helm]

question for you more hardcore gamer, have you tried to use deskmat for game instead of mousepad

[paper bloom]

but then again tho working on ur aim and movemnet etc rlly does take time

To grind on

[jaunty ruin]

as a firm anime hater i would genuinely burn bridges with anyone who has an anime glass mousepad

[kind helm]

or like go with keebmat or something

[paper bloom]

U can start with me

LOOL

[jaunty ruin]

i use desk mat

[sweet oak]

I use deskmat

[jaunty ruin]

and id say im really good at fps games

[sweet oak]

Mainly cuz i like the variety in art styles

[jaunty ruin]

nah i use them cuz theyre just convenient

so much space to do whatever i want

[sweet oak]

900x500 is my dream

[jaunty ruin]

i have a 160x80 cm