🔧│keyboard_modding

[calm pulsar]

https://youtu.be/o7BwWkjU8ZE

[untold wigeon]

what about jade gaming

[tropic urchin]

They’re Jade pros with a box stem

I don’t like them bc of the box

[untold wigeon]

what is a box stem

[tropic urchin]

When you have the normal + stem, but it has a wall around it

[gilded hinge]

very clacky

are these the regular jades + knights

[untold wigeon]

ic

[calm pulsar]

raw stem + black knights top + jade bottom

[tropic urchin]

It’s the Great Wall of China around the +

I have box stem for my current mechanical board and I’m not a big fan

Seems unnecessary

[untold wigeon]

ah ic

[tropic urchin]

And idk if it’s similar, but for mine you can put your fingers and wobble the keys to high heaven

They’re same price as the pros, but I think the pros are better

But obv preference

[untold wigeon]

I can’t play these on my iPhone

[tropic urchin]

You have to move it to iMovie or some other app it’s kind of a pain

Or voice memos if possible

Better on desktop

[calm pulsar]

some day I'll record a video, but i've been lazy af

[tropic urchin]

Russians being lazy.. unacceptable comrade

https://tenor.com/view/мудила-ссср-ussr-stalin-mudila-gif-11006045113451248674

[dawn stag]

anyone know if the geon pingless springs make a huge difference

is it worth the effort of opening up 90 raws to switch them

[calm pulsar]

not huge but they are nice
bag lubing will yield similar results, but you might need to relube in time

[dawn stag]

what do i use to bag lube

[calm pulsar]

bag and lube

[tropic urchin]

I’ll be replacing all of my raw springs but I’m also a maniac

[calm pulsar]

krytox 105 oil lube, and then just shove all springs into a plastic bag

[dawn stag]

like is it just krytox with the springs

oh oil

[calm pulsar]

yeah so when you shake it gets onto all the springs

[dawn stag]

is the rattly spacebar like a common thing with the 80he too

every stock sound test ive heard sounds kinda rattly on the spacebar

[quiet bay]

yeah its not always perfect

[dawn stag]

but every other mod sounds fine

[tropic urchin]

Depends on your stock stabs if they have enough lube or if they’re not balanced

[quiet bay]

its the longest wire after all

so it'll def bend easier

[tropic urchin]

If they’re not balanced they’ll rattle like an mfer

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax do you think flexcut pcbs are good? also do you think 1.2mm pcbs (flexcut or not) are worth it?

[dawn stag]

would you have to actually open up the entire board

to fix the space stabs

[feral plaza]

How to lower pre travel wooting

Anyone know

[calm pulsar]

ight thanks, i'll get a venom mx

[calm pulsar]

wootility.io

[feral plaza]

Nah like physical pre travel

Like it can't go down to much the switch

[calm pulsar]

you probably mean full travel?

[feral plaza]

Ye

[calm pulsar]

there are shorter travel switches

geon raw he, gateron jade pro

are my recommendations

they are 3.4-3.5mm vs stock 4mm

[feral plaza]

Ah ok then can I also use o ring or wont work

[calm pulsar]

uhh I mean you can probably physically shove something in there, but it will be inconsistent and might mess with magnet force and stuff

[feral plaza]

Thanks

[tropic urchin]

I think you'd have to open it up to the PCB level to get at the stabs

[untold wigeon]

@quiet bay did you ever order the 80he with your winnings?

[quiet bay]

nah

I wanna get the owlabs case

[untold wigeon]

That would be nice

[untold wigeon]

Pics? I can’t remember what it looks like

[untold wigeon]

Oh yeah

You better go get a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th job.

lol

[quiet bay]

hopefully its around 200 dollars 😂

[polar girder]

Tf is that

[untold wigeon]

Don’t hold your breath

[polar girder]

The collab thingy

Integrated wrist rest looks sweet

What winnings?

I’m so out of the loop

[harsh dove]

Still here brother, just been trying to focus on other stuff while waiting for more interesting HE products to release. You guys are always free to ping me for help, questions, etc

[calm pulsar]

the contest from before the halloween one

[polar girder]

Should I order raw and Jade pro and use BK stem and bottom housing with Raw top housing and pro spring?

[tropic urchin]

That case looks wild

[polar girder]

I’m bored with BK

they’re pretty Mid

Also just need better HE switch

[harsh dove]

I won’t say you should lol cause that’s a lot of money on switches

[calm pulsar]

it would probably be insanely easier if you just got jade pros lol

[polar girder]

Like just buy and put them in?

Bag lube the springs and just be done

[harsh dove]

Yeah

But you don’t like closed bottom

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's the play

[calm pulsar]

he's slowly giving in

😄

[polar girder]

lol well I do like shorter travel

[tropic urchin]

You can do that and make your own Jade pros or just get the Jade pros and swallow the RGB bleed

[polar girder]

And I do like lube not getting on my PCB

[calm pulsar]

jade pros were super smooth stock for me, so I'd say grabbing them for the shorter travel and nice spring would be great

raws would be nice if you still want to do frankenswitching

[polar girder]

I don’t use RGB anyway

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder

[harsh dove]

Well Raws are cheaper

[polar girder]

I’m over frankenswitxh

Unless it’s revolutionary

[harsh dove]

But the Jade pros are nice in their own way as well

[tropic urchin]

Get the Jade pros if that’s the sound profile you want

[polar girder]

But I’m down for a POM stem and Gucci spring

[calm pulsar]

nah it's autistic more like

[polar girder]

Well that’s the thing

My sound is low tone and quiet

So I have to give up on that for good switch

[tropic urchin]

Oh right I remember now

So

[polar girder]

Like HE is the opposite lol

[tropic urchin]

You’d be looking at the new silent jades then

[polar girder]

What?

[tropic urchin]

The purple housing ones with the blue ish stem

[polar girder]

Huh

News to me

I stopped paying attention tbh

[calm pulsar]

they were announced with jade pros and maxes

open bottom switch

with dual rail

and dampened upstroke

[tropic urchin]

I think they’re called enlightenment but idk if they’re still called that

[polar girder]

When

Release

[calm pulsar]

not shorter travel tho

also dual rail is sus

[polar girder]

Yeah shorter travel low and quiet is a dream

[calm pulsar]

@harsh dove not sure if you've seen, but I made a new frankenswitch, BK top with raw stem is better than gateron stem for tightness

[tropic urchin]

they changed the name

[calm pulsar]

yeah probably needs a whole new switched for that lol

[tropic urchin]

@polar girder https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magnetic-genty-silent-switch?VariantsId=10868

I believe its these

green stem not blue so im fake news now

[calm pulsar]

damn that stem is so big lol

[polar girder]

PC top

[tropic urchin]

might just be the how the photo was taken

[polar girder]

Pom stem tho

Tempting

[tropic urchin]

pom stem is best stem

[calm pulsar]

no it is actually bigger

[tropic urchin]

oh really

interesting

[calm pulsar]

giant ass stem

[tropic urchin]

i take it back then, its not just the photo xD

leave it to gateron

@polar girder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-pKEhkaIcY&t=330s

the O key is the genty silent

kind of an old video, but gives you a slight idea

[knotty iron]

does it not have any modifications on the bottom out or is it just as loud?

[tropic urchin]

seems like a quiter bottom out compared to maxes

they have some sound dampening pads on the top housing i believe

[polar girder]

It’s not silent

lol yeah I was just watching that

[calm pulsar]

its for top out only, but bottom out is like a normal open bottom switch

[polar girder]

Max my preferred sound

But I’m over finnicky switches

[polar girder]

Yeah exactly

[tropic urchin]

nothing is currently truly silent, just put in loads of foam ig

[polar girder]

I mean everything else in the keyboard is ready for silent

Just need the switches

[knotty iron]

ill keep waiting and I will see if they release anything for the bottom out that doesnt affect performance, this feels like a half baked attempt imo

[polar girder]

Everything sucks

[tropic urchin]

the silence isnt the reason to buy the genty, its this:

buy for the immerse heart and soul

[polar girder]

HE just baby

[knotty iron]

oh yeah true 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[polar girder]

Maybe just buy Jade pro and forget about it for a year

[knotty iron]

jade pros are the same as jades in price from gateron which is nice

[calm pulsar]

that's my vote

[tropic urchin]

i feel like the amount of foam you use will matter more than trying to min max switch volume

bro this keyboard is pissing me off

[calm pulsar]

lol

[tropic urchin]

the M key is literally rebelling

im about ready to throw this shit in the trash

[young lantern]

hey anybody have experience with the typeplus yikb stabs and know if they are compatible with o ring mount? graveshift s ofc

[calm pulsar]

they are screw-in, so they will interfere

[young lantern]

alexotos stab list mentions its not fully compatible with o ring mount but he doesnt mention how so

[young lantern]

even with graveshift small o rings? theyre made for screw in

[calm pulsar]

oh well if these are made for this purpose then this might work

typeplus's screw-in area is just like on any screw-in stab

[young lantern]

oh perfect

i know it has a different left/right housing so i wasnt sure if it also had a different shape in the back as well

[calm pulsar]

sexy

[polar girder]

what is that

don't make me buy more stabs

x.x

[calm pulsar]

lol these are designer studio stabs
they're cool but not any better than sw knights

[polar girder]

they look cooler

[tropic urchin]

why are you showing me this big dawg

now i want it

ffs

[polar girder]

fr

[calm pulsar]

lol here https://kbdfans.com/products/adaptive-pcb-mount-stabilizers

they are also on AE, and maybe dinikey and stuff

[tropic urchin]

oooh are those the designer ones that mj was referring to

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[tropic urchin]

damn

well I guess if my knight v2s arent properly balanced ill load these up xD

[calm pulsar]

their "tech" seems to be the same as on sw knights

as in softer material inside the stem and stuff

[tropic urchin]

its about the ✨presentation✨ under the hood you'll never see

and knowing its there

[calm pulsar]

I might get me the smoky black ones for my lx60 build

[tropic urchin]

I am pretty hype since my knight stabs looked pretty straight

hopefully the lube job isnt an L

[calm pulsar]

they aint lubed

[calm pulsar]

pretty much all stabs come not assembled

so you gotta lube them

[tropic urchin]

mine were different since they were advertised as already lubed/wire balanced

and wasnt just the stock stabs and came preassembled

[calm pulsar]

ah shit I forgot again lmao

[tropic urchin]

I would too dont worry xD

just like how i forgot bigsly's switch pref

in one ear out the other

it isnt very common to see that tho i dont think

[calm pulsar]

he just needs to build jade pros in a soft plate like PC or POM, lube the springs and it's gonna be good

[tropic urchin]

probably. i dont get the wanting 0% noise for switches, but to each their own for their preferences

[calm pulsar]

the whole open bottom thing is unique to HE, and when people go for closed bottom is usually to pursure that MX like feel and sound

but since day 1 I thought it felt and sounded kinda dead

and then boom

jades come out

[tropic urchin]

yeah im very glad I didnt get the default lekkers

i probably would've gotten flash backs to my razer huntsman optical switches ;_;

also my god switches entered the US @calm pulsar

only a matter of time before the tism starts flowing

[kind helm]

think open bottom in mx is more of a sound dampening thing

[polar girder]

your what switches?

[kind helm]

the hamu heartbeat or something was the first to punch holes down there i think

[calm pulsar]

I hope they aint going to be illegally voting🤠

[tropic urchin]

they're god switches, laws dont apply to them /s

[calm pulsar]

the god damn switches

(deng god)

[tropic urchin]

God gamer switches for my Looting 80HE

god i love broken translations xD

[calm pulsar]

btw there is an actual knock off brand called Looting

[tropic urchin]

LOL

thats funny shit

[calm pulsar]

they have like 65% variants that are clones of 60he pretty much lol

[tropic urchin]

@polar girder https://kprepublic.com/products/latenpow-deng-god-switch-linear-deng-shen-for-magnetic-keyboard-45g-for-looting-60-66-68-wooting-60he-similar-with-magnetic-jade

Arc inspired me to recreate the jade pros

im creating the frankenswitch "Geon Jade Gods"

same materials as the jade pros but with the raw stem

but it gives you a great heart and soul was what the advertisement said

[calm pulsar]

when Cam first talked about these I legit thought he was expressing his thoughts about these switches by saying Deng God

[tropic urchin]

based

[calm pulsar]

I hated mahjong in yakuza

[tropic urchin]

actually no it cant just be premium majong it has to be hifi mahjong sound for the heavenly thocc

the genty gives you +5 stats to heart and soul too

terrific deal imo

[tropic urchin]

I feel like if i open the box im gonna get poisoned via ricin or something these switches are way too cheap 💀

[calm pulsar]

lmao

actually they are just normal priced, just like all MX switches

[tropic urchin]

thats crazy

or maybe im just crazy

[calm pulsar]

I get that magnets are more expensive, but damn probably not that much

[tropic urchin]

for your jade knights arc did you lube everything or just the springs

[calm pulsar]

I cleaned all parts and relubed everything
but tbh I'd probably advise just lubing the stem and spring

to avoid overlubing

[tropic urchin]

yeah after my 5-7 bad maxes, i'm going to recalibrate my lubing

I went a little overboard on those..

bet

yeah they arent great

the stem sucks

[calm pulsar]

have you heard muh latest creation

[tropic urchin]

gateron dropped a fat L with them

[calm pulsar]

raw jade knights pro

alu, no foams

[kind helm]

foams are in

now just waiting for them to receive the plates then i can ship us

[calm pulsar]

mj is disappearing

[tropic urchin]

gateron agents have him

[kind helm]

foam is making him disappeared!

omg

[tropic urchin]

rip mj

[calm pulsar]

lol the last straw

[calm pulsar]

btw are these geon's foams?

[kind helm]

@stone flax don't worry sir, i brought this just in case, i am still a part of the no foam gang!

[calm pulsar]

cause mine were different, and no pcb sheet

[kind helm]

yea

[hollow dagger]

Beautiful. Alu plate im assuming?

[calm pulsar]

yup

[kind helm]

think the left and the right ones goes on top of pcb, the left one just a thin pad i think. the middle one for the case

[hollow dagger]

U think alu is a huge upgrade over PC?

I do like them clacky

[quiet bay]

for clack yes

[calm pulsar]

well they are quite different on the spectrum, but PC would be more muted sounding probably

depends on what you want, but alu is brighter yeah

[hollow dagger]

But im not sure my wife would like it

[calm pulsar]

lol true, I work in a separate room so... 😄

[hollow dagger]

Where do you think pc stand in the spectrum?

[calm pulsar]

on the deeper end

[hollow dagger]

Beautiful thanks!

Didnt expect pc to be far down there tbh

[opal umbra]

wow

carbon fiber is the stiffest

[calm pulsar]

yeah but not brighter than alu in reality

in terms of sound

[opal umbra]

oh

[calm pulsar]

this chart is just average physical properties

[opal umbra]

ive never used a metal plate

[calm pulsar]

also as you can see the density and mass are not always exactly relevant to the stiffness

[opal umbra]

stiffest plate ive used is fr4

[fluid ravine]

Whoever crossed out "clack" and "thock" to replace it with pitch

props to them 👏

[calm pulsar]

even then I wouldnt say CF is 3 times higher than alu in pitch xd

[fluid ravine]

ok yeah about that xd

we dont talk about that

[fluid ravine]

I'm having my eye out for alu plate rn

[kind helm]

i did it with ppt :3

[fluid ravine]

nice nice

graph aint fully accurate but can agree with some of it

esp with plastic plates i'd say

[calm pulsar]

oh btw I checked shipping and it's around 40 bucks 💀
ig it's kind of a lot

[fluid ravine]

oh hell no

i thought dhl would be expensive

well it is but damn

[fluid ravine]

#🪛│modding_faq message i mean we could just sum up this somehow

[calm pulsar]

you probably are better off just getting the black alu plate from kbdfans/ali

[fluid ravine]

yeah

would get it from ali

if i were to try a plastic plate again i would go with PP or POM i'd say

otherwise i do wanna try Alu

[calm pulsar]

that raws w/ alu goodness

[fluid ravine]

exactly

im thinking about it

but i have other things to consider xd

[kind helm]

i think the 40 something minutes keybored video has everything in terms of general keyboard sound modifying

[fluid ravine]

like stabs for instance or lube

im kinda screwed in those two parts

[kind helm]

but the faq stuff is nice too

[calm pulsar]

yeah I like his vid on the plates

[fluid ravine]

indeed

or the explaination between "Thock" vs "Clack" High pitched material and Low pitched material modifiers or what not

[kind helm]

i put in my google doc like this

[calm pulsar]

yeah tbh not sure what other stabs exists for plate mounts apart from TX AP lol

[kind helm]

for foam

[fluid ravine]

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fluid ravine]

pretty much the gist of it

[hollow dagger]

Jeez shipping for the plate is almost the price of the plate itself

[fluid ravine]

fr?

whatchu getting

[kind helm]

for international shipping yea, so i don't buy s44t like that unless i am getting a bunch of things or just more expensive thing

[hollow dagger]

Alu plate

68 for the plate, 61 for shipping

Jeez hahahaa

[fluid ravine]

oh gah damn bro

[calm pulsar]

da hell

where are you getting it?

[fluid ravine]

where you is, where you from?!?!!?

dafuqqqqqqq

[kind helm]

no way thats usd

[calm pulsar]

must be in robux

[hollow dagger]

I don't find anything on the site remotely attractive to waste my money on to make shipping more worth it

[hollow dagger]

South east asia, brunei

[kind helm]

cause venom plate is around 60 yuan (after local shipping)

[calm pulsar]

have you tried kbdfans store on aliexpress? they have a black alu plate

[kind helm]

:3

[calm pulsar]

ah that's yuan

[hollow dagger]

Ill try that!

[calm pulsar]

it's called redux plate or smth btw

compatible with wooting 60he

[kind helm]

i am refreshing this page every minute to check if i can setup the shipping yet

[low flame]

Any keycap recommendations?

Anything dark to fit my theme

[tropic urchin]

my dark keycap vote is probably GMK Cosmos, but I think their group buy just ended

[hollow dagger]

bruv thanksss!!

found it. much cheaper and shipping is like <$10 in my local currency

[calm pulsar]

nice

[fluid ravine]

sickkkk

[kind helm]

https://cannonkeys.com/collections/keycaps
https://kineticlabs.com/keycaps
for the cheaper ones.

https://novelkeys.com/collections/keycaps
for expensive s44t

https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps
https://divinikey.com/collections/keycap-sets
mix of cheaper and more expensive ones

(For US)

[hollow dagger]

why are the products much cheaper in AE compared to their own site?

[kind helm]

i just saw this one, kinda sick

[calm pulsar]

not sure about price itself but AE shipping is usually cheaper cause it's longer

like mass shipping

[kind helm]

oh hell yea, can ship them now

[calm pulsar]

ohh I thought these would be geon plates

[kind helm]

depends on if you have things you wanna lube

[calm pulsar]

but they should be compatible at least

[kind helm]

yea think the left one is alu right one is fr4

ohh these are not made by geon?

[calm pulsar]

were you planning split backspace?

[calm pulsar]

nope

[kind helm]

DO NOT GET 60HE+

unless you do not care about your experience AT ALL

[fluid ravine]

what the flip

[calm pulsar]

he could upgrade down the line

[kind helm]

get tofu get 60module

YEA NAH

[calm pulsar]

lul

[kind helm]

dogs44t plate, dogs44t case, dogs44t keycaps, and dogs44t switches

[fluid ravine]

oh i was like "whaaat, dont buy a 60he+?!"

[kind helm]

why pay for them

i am sorry

i just have a lot of anger from when i brought my 60he without knowing module existed

[hollow dagger]

just buy the 60he PCB

[calm pulsar]

here is the spacebar area on geon plates

[fluid ravine]

you see i could never

[kind helm]

are those for frog though :3

[hollow dagger]

oh just wanted to confirm, I'm probably gonna need the stand off kit for the plate as well right?

[calm pulsar]

geon makes both for frog and gh60

[glass girder]

does anyone have a list of all HE switches that the 80he is compatible with?

[calm pulsar]

just saying you don't have split backspace option on yours, and the stabilizer cutouts are for plate mounts

I hope pcb mount stabs would fit

[calm pulsar]

pinned messages

[kind helm]

oh yea fck the s44t looks like for plate mount

i always kinda thought if plate mount fits then screw-in should fit as well, because the the housing of stem on the bottom is larger than the part on top, no?

[calm pulsar]

found the japanese guy's post where he bought geons plates

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[calm pulsar]

true, just on wooting there were issues with some stabs

so I hope it's all good on yours

[fluid ravine]

Now i think about it, is the kbdfan wooting plate compatible with pcb mounted stabs as well?

[calm pulsar]

I tried and my tx ap pcb mounts fit

[kind helm]

[fluid ravine]

ok good to know

[kind helm]

thats good news

so its actually wooting's plate being special

[fluid ravine]

Sells 60he and buys 60he+

[calm pulsar]

I guess yeah lol

[fluid ravine]

sure

[calm pulsar]

less go

[fluid ravine]

you can say so lmfao

[fluid ravine]

it's a need at this point for me lmfao

[calm pulsar]

same xd

[kind helm]

the taobao shop that sells the pcb doesn't sell any plate

those plate and foam were from another shop

yeee

[prime orbit]

Geon raw pro when

[kind helm]

@calm pulsar I can remove these screws right?

[calm pulsar]

no they are built in

do the plates have holes in the right spots?

[kind helm]

yea

[calm pulsar]

yeah you just screw the plate on the pcb

[kind helm]

thankfully that doesn't effect my experiment, its still kinda meh that the screws are built in

[polar girder]

PBS Black on Black if you're in to alternative profiles

about to come back in stock soon

[kind helm]

@wild hemlock did you setup the "expert packaging" or whatever that is called on the english ver of the site?

[buoyant veldt]

how much better are the jade pros compared to the dashes

i already bought the dashes is it worth getting the jade pros over them?

[calm pulsar]

tolerances improved, so cleaner sound
plus the spring is longer, which makes the top out snappier

i'd say it's worth if you just bought dashes and can refund them, but if you already have them then probably not

[buoyant veldt]

gotcha

I unfornately bought them a few months ago eager for the 80he

[untold wigeon]

I love the legends on this

[kind helm]

think pro didn't exist a few months ago

[buoyant veldt]

yeah i shouldve have waited longer as new switches were being released

are there any mods to the dashes I could do to make them feel or sound better?

[kind helm]

dash is not that bad

[buoyant veldt]

okay thats good to hear

[calm pulsar]

lube the springs and that's about it i'd say

[buoyant veldt]

how do I lube the springs

going to be my first time modding a keyboard

[calm pulsar]

a fast way would be to put them all in a plastic bag and put some oil lube in there, like krytox 105

[kind helm]

open them, put them in a bag, squeeze a few drops of super lube oil

[calm pulsar]

then shake

[kind helm]

shake like you are jerking ___

[buoyant veldt]

ayoooo

how do i open the switches?

[kind helm]

switch opener

a few dollar on amazon

oil also a few dollars on amazon, bag probably also a few dollars on amazon

[buoyant veldt]

so krytox 105 is good for springs?

I heard someone talking about films for the switches

are those worth any consideration?

[kind helm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/691ryr/modification_lets_talk_about_keyboard_lube/

[calm pulsar]

i'd say not worth for HE switches

dashes/jades don't have wobbly housings so its fine without films

[buoyant veldt]

i see

[calm pulsar]

also super tedious lol

[buoyant veldt]

thanks

[buoyant veldt]

have you done it before?

[calm pulsar]

yes, on lekker v1s

they are wobbly af

[buoyant veldt]

oh how long did that take

[calm pulsar]

depends on your patience, cause installing them is a pain on HE switches, which films arent made for

[hollow dagger]

But usually we're all stupid enough to do it anyway just for that 1% increase in performance

[kind helm]

think just spring lubing probably 1hr, film idk probably much longer

[hollow dagger]

Please let that not just be me

[buoyant veldt]

oof

i bought some car dampening foam

will that help make the keyboard more clacky?

[kind helm]

tight switch if you put film it can actually make things worse

[kind helm]

nope

opposite

[buoyant veldt]

bruh

[calm pulsar]

i'd say it can make it clacky if you completely kill the sound with it lol

[buoyant veldt]

how would i do that

just cover as much as possible with it?

[kind helm]

i made my deepest sounding keyboard with noico, which is a brand for car noise dampening thing

[buoyant veldt]

i got some siless off amazon for 20 bucks gonna have to use it regardless

[calm pulsar]

is it sticky?

[buoyant veldt]

yeah

i saw some guy on yt just put it in with the backing still attached

[calm pulsar]

might be an ass to remove later

oh then maybe not

[buoyant veldt]

yeah thats what i figured

so ill probably just not removed it

[calm pulsar]

I think stock 80he foam might just be better lol

[buoyant veldt]

damn okay

i still have time to return the dampening foam XD

[kind helm]

you don't need foam to make the keyboard sound good, arcsyko's keeb for example has no foam and is probably one of the best HE keyboards i have heard

[buoyant veldt]

is there any other mods that would be worth considering to make it clacky

arcsyko drop a link to the sound test

[kind helm]

foam is more like "oh i don't like the keyboard being too deep/high pitch" i think

[buoyant veldt]

damn that sounds really good

are the jade knights a new switch?

[kind helm]

he made his own

[calm pulsar]

no its just my mix of jades and raws 😄

[buoyant veldt]

i guess ill try with and without foam ig

[buoyant veldt]

a mix? how do you do that?

[hollow dagger]

black knight top, jade bottom and springs and raw stem correct?

[calm pulsar]

yeah this ^

[buoyant veldt]

damn how much does that cost in total for all the switches 😭

[calm pulsar]

don't bother with it, I just have a ton of diff HE switches lol

[hollow dagger]

not worth it, unless money is no object

and obviously time

[calm pulsar]

jade pros are very close to that

[buoyant veldt]

haha okay

[kind helm]

YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH. 100% WORTH

[buoyant veldt]

dang im really regretting not waiting for the jade pros to come out

but the dashes arent that bad?

[calm pulsar]

nah theyre fine

[hollow dagger]

they're not

just that pros are better

[calm pulsar]

dashes are normal jades btw

[buoyant veldt]

oh

[hollow dagger]

max is a complete waste imo

[buoyant veldt]

they just different colors?

[calm pulsar]

yeah

the stem is diff color

but otherwise its the original jade

even says gateron on them

[buoyant veldt]

are they prelubed?

[calm pulsar]

yes, but not the springs I believe

so worth to lube the springs, it makes the sound cleaner

[buoyant veldt]

in what way does lubing the springs make it cleaner?

[calm pulsar]

springs produce less noise

[buoyant veldt]

i see

is the actuation force and travel distance same btw jades and pros

[calm pulsar]

actuation depends on what you set in wootility
but spring force might be a bit bigger on jade pros due to longer spring

but they are still light similar to normal jades

travel distance should be the same

[kind helm]

the "curve" should look different i think, since the spring is longer

"curve" even though its a straight line

[buoyant veldt]

what profile keycaps for clacky

[kind helm]

cherry is good

you can go more flat if you want even more "clack"

[fluid ravine]

Also more based on keycap material and thickness

Esp material

[agile temple]

hello, what keycaps work with the wooting?

[kind helm]

profile > look > material for me

[buoyant veldt]

whats esp

[agile temple]

i was gonna buy some on amazon but didnt knew if they will fit

[kind helm]

they will

[fluid ravine]

Especially

[kind helm]

just make sure you have the key caps you need in the set

[buoyant veldt]

oh

Xd

is pbt or abs more clack

[fluid ravine]

Abs

[calm pulsar]

double shot abs

[fluid ravine]

But it's best to get good quality abs like gmk

[untold wigeon]

Isn't PBT like "Better" quality plastic?

[fluid ravine]

Subjective

[calm pulsar]

"""better""" yeah

xd

[untold wigeon]

Please elaborate, I don't understand XD

[calm pulsar]

most pbt caps are a mix anyway

[kind helm]

good double shot abs is like 60+ dollars much expensive than decent pbt

[calm pulsar]

pbt is more resistant to shine

[kind helm]

i really don't get that

[untold wigeon]

That seems pretty important

[calm pulsar]

everything shines anyway

[untold wigeon]

Oh

[kind helm]

over time its the same s44t

LMAO

its not magic, your hand is greasy

sometimes you eat fry chicken and you need to troll the chat a bit at the same time

[buoyant veldt]

you guys have any fav cherry double shot abs sets?

[calm pulsar]

I like gmk, but they're pricy

[fluid ravine]

Brand wise..
Gmk or DCX

[calm pulsar]

keykobo too

[fluid ravine]

^

Dcx good alternative compared to gmk

[buoyant veldt]

what sites to buy from

[kind helm]

is DCX from drop?

[tropic urchin]

GMKs also give an extra clack

[fluid ravine]

Yeah

[calm pulsar]

avoid "gmkkeycap" and "gmkkeycaps" dot com cause they are fakes

otherwise https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[untold wigeon]

Whats a good place to look for keycaps

[kind helm]

👀 drop is L, i rather buy from a 1 star taobao shop then use drop. two or three years ago they had womier on the website, 20 or 30 dollars more expensive than amazon and takes longer ship and you have to pay extra shipment

ain no way

[buoyant veldt]

100$+ for keycaps is INSANE

[kind helm]

them nice double shot abs do be more vibrate though

pbt can't be as vibrate in my understanding

[untold wigeon]

[buoyant veldt]

Bet SOLD.

if i dont look at my bank acc it be all okay

[kind helm]

thats what my friend says when we go out to eat, bro has to uber every weekend to make up for the money he spent

[calm pulsar]

lol you could get some pbtfans set which is pbt doubleshot

less clacky probably but not as deep as full on thick dyesub pbt caps

[buoyant veldt]

so for clack is it thinner keycaps are better?

[calm pulsar]

double shot

[buoyant veldt]

are amazon double shot pbt keycaps probably fine

theyre so wallet friendly

[kind helm]

https://cannonkeys.com/collections/cannonkeys-keycaps?filter.v.availability=1&filter.p.m.my_fields.keycap_manufacturer=NicePBT&sort_by=manual

instock NicePBT from cannonkey, me think wallet friend also decent quality

[kind helm]

https://ilumkb.com/ a lot of GMK stuff on sell if shipping is not a problem for you

[buoyant veldt]

which one of those you think would go good with the frost case

[hollow dagger]

Ironically shipping is cheap for me here lol

[kind helm]

i gotta say, GMK font do be looking clean af

[calm pulsar]

yeah gmk legends are clean af

[kind helm]

maybe later this year or next year i try them out, way too forking expensive for me right now

[calm pulsar]

found a cheap set

https://ilumkb.com/collections/gmk-in-stock/products/gmk-color-samples?variant=41206859268178

ohhh they have special effect samples

similar to cosmos

[kind helm]

this is too much for me, i like my keycaps clean

too gamery

[calm pulsar]

yeah the transparent ones are ugly

[ionic breach]

this aint too bad

[calm pulsar]

these are all transparent plastics where the double shot molds are shown btw

[ionic breach]

its like xrays without the 3d legends

[calm pulsar]

kinda yeah

[kind helm]

yea you can tell from the top part theres a tiny bit of transparent part

[ionic breach]

these are terrible tho

[calm pulsar]

these samples are kinda spoilers to future possible sets lol

[ionic breach]

especially streaking

[kind helm]

probably serves as a good interest check

[calm pulsar]

yeah I might tolerate the metallic ones for a novelty cap only xd

on left and right seem to be cosmos caps

[ionic breach]

this more

the 2 on top are kinda red

[calm pulsar]

yeah but cosmos has red-ish specks too

[ionic breach]

still funny to me they only purchased 1 sample keycap

[calm pulsar]

someone also got a cosmos spacebar before the actual designer

on some keyboard expo

[tiny summit]

Final Soundtest (Apologies for poor audio quality)
Specs:
Case - Salvation
Tape mod - Keebtape
Keycaps - Cerakeys
Switches - Raw he
Foam - No Foam Mod

[uneven cradle]

speaking of keycaps GMK Rubrehose production has been finished now just waiting for it to be sent out

[fluid ravine]

ooo if we had a proper sound test (no offense) i feel like this would sound like a well rounded board

i hear its potential

[tiny summit]

Thank you, im liking it so far and yea.. sorry, I don't really possess any quality audio equipment, I have a DSLR camera but that's about it😅 don't really have a mic, besides my phone💀

[calm pulsar]

this seems like a nice vintage looking set with the added colors

I think more sets should come with novelties in the base kit

[tiny summit]

Here is another, not sure if it's considered any better😅

[calm pulsar]

the cerakeys look kinda too round for salvation 😄

[tiny summit]

Fair enough😂

[opal umbra]

oh youve used keebtape

how is it

compared to painters tape

[tiny summit]

Very clean sound overall, definitely deeper than painters👍

[glass girder]

just double checking here; the gateron magnetic jade gaming switches should work with the 80he right?

[calm pulsar]

they seem to be exactly like jade pros, but with boxed stem, so yeah

[glass girder]

Awesome, thank you 🙂

[hollow dagger]

From what I can see wobble is still pretty much the same at the top but almost nil at the bottom

is that the only advantage?

[calm pulsar]

no idea, I just think jade pros are already good enough 😄

[abstract rover]

planning to swap my lekker switches into raw he

[calm pulsar]

@tropic urchin

[untold wigeon]

what does this mean

like sticky

[kind helm]

durock is doing this too

[untold wigeon]

they said not scratchiness more like stickiness

[kind helm]

ah i am blind, probably the lube

the max right?

[untold wigeon]

yeah

are the raw hes any better

[kind helm]

max is the only one that has that sticky problem i think

[untold wigeon]

so let me get this straighr

its overpriced and its worse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083228258042134528.png?quality=lossless&name=meow&size=128

its just a qc issue right

its only some switches that have this issue

[hollow dagger]

I don't have that problem in all 70 of my maxes

but I still don't recommend it comparing to the geon raw he

i don't have the pros so I can't say much

[untold wigeon]

hmm i already bought it but i can return it for a fee

should i return it

the fee is like 5-10% of the cost i bought it for

[hollow dagger]

do you have any alternative switches atm?

[untold wigeon]

i have many kbs

so it wont inconvenience me

i do have transparent keycaps tho

so i think it would look good together thats why i bought

but if performance is an issue then

i probably will return it

so does it perform worse compared to raw hes

[hollow dagger]

imo yes. but my preferece is: light springs and a little clacky

stock, the max is too heavy for me, but a lot here prefer it

[untold wigeon]

in what way is it worse tho

[hollow dagger]

but the sound is muted

[untold wigeon]

like the feel is worse?

or the switch isnt smooth

etc

[untold wigeon]

so just the spring weight?

idk i just wanna make sure its not going to perform worse

or have defects

[hollow dagger]

yes spring weight, I switched it out with the lekker 45 and liked it.

but I haven't faced the stickiness issue

but at the same time I did handlube every single one of the switches.

with the spring swap, it feels similar to the geon raw 50g but I like raw he more just because of the sound.

[untold wigeon]

hmm

i just want to make sure that when i press the key it will work as intended

lol

ppl just said it sticks that sounds like it doesnt work as intended

[muted sapphire]

it really doesn't matter, the problem is only for the spacebar and maybe w the other big keys

[hollow dagger]

in my opinion, for 0.70 per, it ain't worth it if I have to hand lube everything and swap springs out for it to perform how I would like it to.

[kind helm]

me relubing raw and swapping lekker v1 spring rn

[hollow dagger]

Yeah, only you can answer that question tbh

[kind helm]

lekker v1 has slightly longer/stronger spring, and i wanted to relu, so fuck it i am doing it

[hollow dagger]

this is my very first custom kb so take it with a grain of salt, I love how the geon raws are out of the box.

[muted sapphire]

nahh

u really don't need to relube the raws

[hollow dagger]

I'm super curious of how jade pro performs though

[hollow dagger]

I agree

The psychopath in me wants to lube the switches for the sake of it.

[muted sapphire]

nop nop

don't need

[kind helm]

first one is the relube

[muted sapphire]

i will lube only the springs that i change and that's it

[kind helm]

i just want the consistency is all tbh

[untold wigeon]

hmm

[muted sapphire]

meow

[untold wigeon]

so should i return the jade maxes

[hollow dagger]

how is cerakeys with the wooting? do you actually have to turn the actuation lower?

[untold wigeon]

im not even sure 😭

[muted sapphire]

I'll tell you when j get the board

if u wanna wait

[hollow dagger]

no worries I'm patient.

[muted sapphire]

u don't have to turn the actuation lower tho

like why?

unless u fucked up the spacebar

[hollow dagger]

again it's up to you to decide. I saw two different youtubers who don't recommend it. I persisted and regretted it

so take that what you will

[untold wigeon]

can you link them

i want to see their reasoning

so far its just ppl saying it will stick and it doesnt perform great

but i wanna know what exactly is so bad about them

[ionic breach]

tldr

#1298850756178481253 message

0.53 and look for the jade max

[untold wigeon]

why does it look so rigid

wtf

its like not smooth at all

[ionic breach]

ask gateron

[untold wigeon]

is it because his fingers

[ionic breach]

nah

its not the worst thing, but considering how much ur paying

it aint worth it

[untold wigeon]

i like the transparent aesthetic

[paper bloom]

Nice

[untold wigeon]

yea but like i expect it to work

because im maining this kb

:|

[ionic breach]

it works

just annoying

[untold wigeon]

then it doesnt work man

[ionic breach]

but but.... my gold plated springs

[twilit ivy]

My new Mode Sonnet comes tomorrow.

[hollow dagger]

me too man

[twilit ivy]

I hired someone online to do my Akko switches and press them 50,000 times.

He's also doing my HE switches

But I am excited for the mode.

It's a completely plastic build. I am hoping for that thock ive been chasing after. I have easily spent 2 grand trying to chase it.

[hollow dagger]

wwhat is this for?

[twilit ivy]

For my Mode sonnet build

or what do you mean?

[kind helm]

to wear out the scratch

or uneven surfaces

[twilit ivy]

oh the 50,000?

[hollow dagger]

yeah

[twilit ivy]

yeah wear out to the scratches and makes them smooth.

[hollow dagger]

I'm pretty new to custom keyboards so that's a new thing I learned today

[twilit ivy]

Not all switches need this service.

some lubers offer it as a service for free for choosing them.

But those wont arrive for another two weeks

[elfin zodiac]

Did that on some creams for my owlab spring

[twilit ivy]

howd that work? this is the first time I am trying it.

Think you noticed a difference?

[elfin zodiac]

Pretty well there is just a tiny scratch did it about 560000 presses

Planning to do it on some nixies for f1-8x v2

[twilit ivy]

I am doing it on the Akko V3 Piano Pro Switch

There is a PC case with those switches in it.

sounds amazing

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ktj_0C59FQw

look at number 2

thats a 100 dollar kb

lol

[kind helm]

thats how much you need to spend for thock

literally just stuff the board with foam

[twilit ivy]

ive certainly tried that in an all copper build and it did not work.

[random loom]

Anyone got measurements for 80HE switch plate

Tryna make a poron ver

[untold wigeon]

what kind of tape should i use at the bottom of the keyboard?

i have a holy 60 case and im worried about the dust getting to the pcb

[twilit ivy]

Painters

[untold wigeon]

but if i tape the bottom it might leave residue

[twilit ivy]

but make sure you get the good stuff

good stuff wont leave residue

[untold wigeon]

https://soyoats.com/ss/1730546395.png

i literally dont need much tho do i really have to buy the whole roll

i guess i'll tape all my pcbs

xD

[twilit ivy]

You should always haave painters tape

[untold wigeon]

for what

but ty bro

[twilit ivy]

I use painters tape for a lot more than painting

[untold wigeon]

hmm

like what

[twilit ivy]

edging, art projects, car projects, lots of stuff

[untold wigeon]

wow

sounds p cool man

[kind helm]

geon raw HE with lekker v1 45g spring

[twilit ivy]

too clacky

[kind helm]

only took me 4 hours to clean and relube

fucking hell

@calm pulsar :3 what do you think sir

[untold wigeon]

do you know any other types that are transparent

no residue tapes

[twilit ivy]

is your chassis transparent?

[kind helm]

https://keebmat.com/products/keebtape

[untold wigeon]

holy 60

[untold wigeon]

ty

[kind helm]

a man with 0 taste

👀

sry thats kinda fcked up to say

[ionic breach]

holy 60 is good lmao

[twilit ivy]

Wow they are trying to make money on everything now days

this just screams I am lazy af

[untold wigeon]

yea i was thinking of something i can get locally

[ionic breach]

harder to get good sound ofc

[untold wigeon]

the shipping is uh

not great

xd

like 3m scotch tape is fine?

[ionic breach]

blue ya

[kind helm]

send me one link that shows a good spacebar

[ionic breach]

or you can get other stuff

[untold wigeon]

ah the wall safe tape right

[ionic breach]

like moleskin

[twilit ivy]

So this isn't tape as in paper thata the 3m is. This is going to have a different sound profile as it's plastic

[untold wigeon]

https://soyoats.com/ss/1730550654.png

ok

i will get this

ty!

:>

[ionic breach]

wait no

[twilit ivy]

wut? no.

we already told you what to get

painters tape

[kind helm]

@untold wigeon also be aware that the holes on that tape i sent are not made for wooting

so maybe you screw first before you tape

[ionic breach]

lmao i didnt know that was a thing literary

[untold wigeon]

ic

[untold wigeon]

yea but its blue

i was looking for transparent or white

[ionic breach]

https://www.3m.com.sg/3M/en_SG/p/d/v100794689/

[twilit ivy]

Do what ever you want.

[kind helm]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004Z4D2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title

beige is cool or nah?

[untold wigeon]

cool

👍

[kind helm]

i used this for a arylic case

[untold wigeon]

just wanted a neutral color

yea

blue is too like obvious xd

thats why i didnnt want to buy that

[kind helm]

and that is why i think holy60 is bad :3

[untold wigeon]

it is bad

[kind helm]

once more i am sorry to say that LOL

[untold wigeon]

but like

it has so many holes

[twilit ivy]

Sooooo dont buy the white kind

[untold wigeon]

couldnt resist buying it

🐱

[twilit ivy]

it has different sticking properties

[untold wigeon]

looked niche

[kind helm]

a guy can't resist a nice looking hole

[untold wigeon]

wym

[kind helm]

all good

[ionic breach]

that wall tape might be fine

[twilit ivy]

it could leave a residue as its meant to hold longer. different colors of painters tape mean different things.

[untold wigeon]

oh

maybe

i can just do painters tape

cut out a4

paper

and then just glue it on the tape

then i cant see the blue

sounds like the best solution here

[kind helm]

can comfirm the OG blue tape is good, i took mine off from wooting's pcb after 1 year

[untold wigeon]

this one is all out of stock locally

[ionic breach]

ya it would do

[untold wigeon]

sadly

ok

i will do that

the paper will get wet so

i'll probably find those arts and craft papers

do markings and cut using a ruler and pen knife

then apply glue and stick it on

[kind helm]

so you not in us

unlucky 😦

[untold wigeon]

yea im from sg

[ionic breach]

bruddah

[untold wigeon]

u too huh

[ionic breach]

go to a store

[untold wigeon]

which one lol

popular?

[ionic breach]

any arts and craft store for painter's tape

popular obv has masking tape

sg is so small

everything is near u

[untold wigeon]

i never went to any

but uh i will check out

👍

[untold wigeon]

yea but it might leave residue

seems like the only one that doesnt certainly is painters tape

[tropic urchin]

GMK cosmos stabs goes hard

[kind helm]

i mean since you are making contact with the pcb and not like a wall with paint, it should be less likely that you damage your pcb, also depends on what you like, you may never take off the tape

[untold wigeon]

oke

[kind helm]

i have 4 boards and only recently when i switched to a more "premium case" i choosed to remove the tape

[untold wigeon]

ah it sounds better right

what is the case

[kind helm]

not better, just different :3 its all perference

[untold wigeon]

true

[kind helm]

its the salvation60, i just wanted to see if that would add some softness to the stiff HE boards, results is fun :3

got me to enjoy higher pitch board, before i always go mid to deep tone

[untold wigeon]

it looks cool

[hollow dagger]

Oh you're from SG

Im not far across the pond

[untold wigeon]

:>

causeway

[hollow dagger]

Have you decided on your jade maxes

[untold wigeon]

i wont return them

[calm pulsar]

lol im slower

cause adhd

[untold wigeon]

i have clear keycaps i think they'll go well with the jade maxes

if theres any issues i can always relube

but the last time i did it boy was it tedious

i'd rather not

but its not my main keyboard so i guess its okay its just gonna be a nice kb to look at xD

they did cost alot though

[hollow dagger]

Yee fwiw i dont have any stickiness issues

I just dont like how they sound

[kind helm]

i made sure the inside of the open bottom is clean as possible this time, think that helped a lot with the sound

before i think i fcked up and made it a bit "greasy"

[untold wigeon]

i see

[tropic urchin]

warning if you get the RAWs you wont like how the maxes feel xD

[polar girder]

You might not^**

[glacial wind]

Your life might also change for the better. You might wake up better looking and have a greater quality of life due to the raw he.

[stone flax]

w glaze

[tropic urchin]

you can get away with liking the maxes if you dont have any better smooth switches to compare to, but the moment you compare it to the RAW the smoothness isnt comparable

it just feels like a plasticky mess

[tropic urchin]

Geon sponsored and affiliated 👀

[ionic breach]

commisions raking in

[glacial wind]

this is the problem i have with all the box stems too. Every one i've tested may be a tad more stable at the bottom but they never feel as nice

[tropic urchin]

Yeah im with you on the box stems. My current mech keyboard has them (ROG Azoth moonlight) and theres so much stem wobble without even pressing it 💀

seems kinda unnecessary when the normal stem gets the job done

[kind helm]

need your thoughts :3 what do you think about this

i need some appreciation from redoing the lube for 4 hours.

i don't know if it was the lube or the spring change, this is raw, it sound way deeper than i thought, fr4 plate with no foam

[tropic urchin]

do you have the bad lube recording too

[kind helm]

this one only lubed the spring, i fcked up and had a bit of lube in the open buttom to cause that squeashy sound i think. that was the main reason i went to redo the whole thing

[tropic urchin]

yeah that happened for my maxes and it was a real L moment

[untold wigeon]

i know what u mean but

i want the transparent case bro

😭

if that means less smooth switch

[tropic urchin]

then stick with em

[untold wigeon]

and much more expensive

then

[tropic urchin]

should be fine if you stay with

[untold wigeon]

;w;

[polar girder]

lol

Have you tried Jade pro?

[tropic urchin]

im not sure if i like the spring, but sounds alot better

[untold wigeon]

max is the only clear switch and i'm buying it cuz my kb is transparent