🔧│keyboard_modding

[tropic urchin]

All white turned into the Royal Wooting real quick

[calm pulsar]

using raws

[novel holly]

Where can I get knight v2 in the UK?

[tawdry tree]

DeltaKey perhaps?

only Gateron makes KS-37 compatible switches afaik. I don’t think Raesha’s switches are compatible with KS-37 boards either.

[calm pulsar]

my wpm suffers cause I need to get used to split backspace

[knotty iron]

raesha, KS-37B, KS-20, and LP HE are all different sensors and sensor positions

also yeah gateron makes KS-37 switches

no one else

wait I just realized

the stem is PC, and the dual rail structure is made of PA12

does clear nylon exist?

[tawdry tree]

according to gateron yeah

prob is a mix

[knotty iron]

I have an idea

probably not gonna be as elegant

[jade storm]

tell me, son

[knotty iron]

but what if the rails themselves were made of nylon while the bottom will be made of PA12?

Too much work probably

[stone flax]

nyo

also why are we saying

nylon

pa12

like theyre different things

pa12 is nylon

lol

[knotty iron]

it is? oh

because jades say Pom stem with nylon rails and bottom

but maxes are PC stem and PA12 rails and bottom

and they are just sticky as hell

[glacial wind]

Tuesday my new peony swagkey switches arrive. I bought 4 just to test out since I don’t usually like box stem

[knotty iron]

might just be dual rail

peony swagkey?

[calm pulsar]

are they HE?

[glacial wind]

Yeah. The initial reviews say it’s as tight as raw he but box stem.

[calm pulsar]

they look different on both pics, where is the magnet on them?

[glacial wind]

Just standard closed bottom jade style

[calm pulsar]

I see, it's just the stem looks closer to MX-style on the second pic

[stone flax]

yeah lol

[calm pulsar]

ohh so the magnet is pertruding a bit

[stone flax]

polyamide 1:2

is nylon

[calm pulsar]

also POM bottom housing seems unique? compared to other switches

[stone flax]

[glacial wind]

I’ll probably spring swap some 50g into them to keep it consistent when I’m playing around with them

[knotty iron]

what is PA66?

[calm pulsar]

I take it they are available only locally for now

[stone flax]

stiffer/denser blend of nylon than pa12

[glacial wind]

Yeah I believe raw is nylon bottom and pom stem so these are different bottom with pom bottom

[stone flax]

the denser the nylon blend the higher leaning it is soundwise

[glacial wind]

Yep. Just Korea only launch. They’re dirt cheap at like 30 cents a switch though

[knotty iron]

is it possible to get PA66 or POM to be completely transparent? just wondering

[glacial wind]

The $2 shipping cost me more than the 4 switches I bought to sample

[knotty iron]

PA66 can be transparent...

[stone flax]

pok stem

[calm pulsar]

okay found them on naver, time to hit up my buyer from Korea 😄

but I will wait for your tests, hope you upload some

[knotty iron]

no pom is opaque and only opaque

[glacial wind]

Yeah I’ll test them in 80he for wasd since it gets here Tuesday as well

[calm pulsar]

oh nice, finally getting the 80he

[glacial wind]

I couldn’t find any info on the magnetic flux on it either so that’s partially why I didn’t want to jump on 90 of em to do a full board test

[minor gust]

Raw² incoming

[calm pulsar]

this is almost my venom60he build, I have raws w/ pingless 62.5g springs, and TX AP clip in stabs

[knotty iron]

ok so

i saw a 1 star review on the jade max web page... just reading it

[calm pulsar]

lool it is @quasi hinge review

160 switches 😄

I like how there are 3 reviews, of which there is only one 5 star review, but the average is still 5 star

[knotty iron]

i got 180 💀

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-gif-13031152103567454559

[knotty iron]

i really like the switches but I think that clear switches as of now are fundamentally flawed

[minor gust]

Nice build, I ordered normal stabs instead long poles by error, i ordered others set of long poles and pbtfans neon r2

[calm pulsar]

there are geon spacers for normal pole stabs too, in case you don't like your long poles tabs

[tawdry tree]

is the manu known already?

[minor gust]

I almost ordered those, but i will try 3d printing some

[glacial wind]

Swk

[tawdry tree]

First magnetic switches?

[cold bloom]

not yet going to next wednesday

[glacial wind]

Think so, it’s just like all the collabs swagkey does though - no real info on them internationally and they just pop up on their store

[tawdry tree]

exciting nonetheless

[calm pulsar]

gimme more HE switcherinos

[tawdry tree]

I like more switches but I like more manufacturers even more

☺️

[calm pulsar]

well this stem seems the most unique yet

[tawdry tree]

definitely

[flat cobalt]

Same on Tuesday and I’m really really debating on that Seal keyboard

[knotty iron]

i also realized

if the centerpiece uses clear switches... oh god 💀

[glacial wind]

I think this swagkeys switch and the upcoming ttc pom are interesting ones

Both using material combos we haven’t heard. Although I wonder if pom stem on pom housing in the ttc switches will have issues

[calm pulsar]

I wonder if pom on pom sounds kinda dead or mushy, but who knows maybe it's a good combination for HE

after trying jade maxes I think firmer plastics can sound quite clean

[glacial wind]

The problem in past switches is pom on pom had stick and slip issues

[calm pulsar]

oh so similar to jade maxes for some ppl it seems

[glacial wind]

Just cause you normally don’t have same stem and housing material to avoid that

Is jade max same stem and housing material?

[calm pulsar]

yeah PC stem PC upper

lower is diff, pa12 or smth like that

[glacial wind]

Oh that explains it

Yeah same material on same material has caused issues in the past

novelkey creams come to mind with that issue

[calm pulsar]

it also seems amplified by the dual rail structure

but I personally enjoyed jade maxes, could be just the way I type and game

didnt really run into stickiness

I still ended up with raws in my current build cause maxes are not as snug in venom plates 😄

[knotty iron]

Stem: PC
Top house: PC
Bottom house: PA12
Dual rail like structure
20mm 36±7g
3.5±0.1mm

[tawdry tree]

Kailh used pom on pom as well

but those still aren’t fully supported

at least the flame and the other one aren’t

[knotty iron]

what would be the smoothest unlubed?

[tawdry tree]

kailhs were good when dry

[knotty iron]

i also hears gateron is releasing a box jade magnetic i think?

[calm pulsar]

sometimes I take out my lekker v1s and they seem very smooth, but cause they have bad tolerances

[tawdry tree]

already released

jade gaming

closed bottom box stem

and it has the jade pro top housing but clear

[calm pulsar]

the springs on their renders have more and more coils every time

[glacial wind]

The gateron gaming ones are the worst switches I have heard of all the new gen switches

[calm pulsar]

it literally is just jade pro with boxed stem as a selling point for some HE board

[tropic urchin]

you find any sound tests yet?

[calm pulsar]

the boxed stem probably makes them worse

[tropic urchin]

I have morbid curiosity after the Magnetos

[glacial wind]

There’s a ton on bilibili

[glacial wind]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

I posted one of the sound tests before

[tropic urchin]

God bless

[glacial wind]

All of the ttc box stems sound not great but Jade gaming was worst of them all

[tropic urchin]

My Freedom zoomer eyes got lost trying to translate the home page of bilibili

[knotty iron]

yeah they were the gaming jades

is it just me or are these blue

instead of green

cause i lowkey dig it

[calm pulsar]

maybe clear top housing like on og jades and the stem is not white but light green/blue

[tawdry tree]

stem on the original jades was white

or almost white

and the bottom housing looks like the same color to me tbh

[calm pulsar]

way whiter than on gateron ks-20 white

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[calm pulsar]

to me as well

[tawdry tree]

it was almost a greyish/blueish white

[untold wigeon]

Uh oh gateron is bringing out the buzz words. GAMING!!! Now everyone will have to get them

[tropic urchin]

The JG kinda just looks like they re-released the Jade Pros with a box stem but reverted to the OG Jade design

[tawdry tree]

pretty much it, yeah

[tropic urchin]

I dont really get it considering they just released two new ones literally like a month ago lol

[calm pulsar]

yeah all this time I couldn't play games but now I finally am able to

[fluid ravine]

if they add the buzz word thock, we're donzo!

it's joever!

[untold wigeon]

lol seriously

[tawdry tree]

you’re a lost cause if you try to understand gateron

[calm pulsar]

lmao so true

[calm pulsar]

it's the switch market game, they introduce super small changes and call it different names, change colors and people think it will be a whole new switch

[untold wigeon]

I mean seriously. You can’t game on non gaming switches. You just can’t

[tawdry tree]

real

[tropic urchin]

Thats how they getcha with the exclusive amethyst jades

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[calm pulsar]

where??

[tropic urchin]

oh this was like way back

it was an exclusive for a keyboard

I forget which one but this was like 2 ish months ago i think

[tawdry tree]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see recolors of each and every last one of their new switches

[calm pulsar]

yeah I remember, just pretending I got baited

well who am I kidding, I got jade maxes

[tropic urchin]

https://x.com/_alper1/status/1790387267548139930 actually it was 5 months

Alper (@_alper1) on X

if these specs are real. this keyboard will be insane. I want to try this keyboard out. ATK is cooking.....

Twitter · May 14, 2024, 2:22 PM

thats the keyboard I believe

[calm pulsar]

yeah the jade recolor

there are still lavender jades on aliexpress or whatever they are called

pink colored

[knotty iron]

esports is also one of my least favourite words god

i hate their marketing

[next thunder]

Not that satisfied with my TTC magnetos. Lekker on top magnetos on the bottom

Just placed an order for geon raws 🤣

[calm pulsar]

so sharp

in a bad way

[next thunder]

Its too loud hahahaha

[tropic urchin]

Pierces your soul

[calm pulsar]

to me

[glacial wind]

yeah magneto are loud and plasticky. I can't enjoy them

[next thunder]

Its also twice the price of geon raws

Damn bad purchase 🤣🤣🤣

[knotty iron]

ok so gateron jade gaming is a nothingburger of a switch imo

[tropic urchin]

very

[calm pulsar]

same opinion

[knotty iron]

because it will probably suffer from the same amount of wobble other non box switches do

i can see the wobble is just as bad

Soooo...

Geon raws... how smooth are they

[static tendon]

When purchasing the Wooting 60HE Module, is there an option to get a black colored plate instead of the white one it usually comes with?

[knotty iron]

nope, but why woukd you want a black plate? just curious

[static tendon]

Already have a white one, I was considering to get another color

[calm pulsar]

I like how it looks, you don't see the white under the keycaps

[knotty iron]

however @static tendon I believe there is a black 60HE FR4 plate which is black on KBDFANS, check if anyone here says its ok for screw in stabs

[calm pulsar]

yeah there is a ton of black plate options on aliexpress, kbdfans and stuff

and wooting ofc

[static tendon]

Honestly it's very noticeable, I see it very clearly. Having different colors helps make the build feel more unique as well

Wooting sells it for 20$ which would be an added cost when paired with the 60HE module purchase. A bit steep, wish there was a option to select white or black plates

[calm pulsar]

yeah would be nice if you could select that

[knotty iron]

ah makes sense, thanks for the insight :)

[static tendon]

Like even from a top angle. I can see the white plate pretty clearly

[knotty iron]

now that is a wootstation moment

[calm pulsar]

lovely keycap set

[knotty iron]

im guessing you dont use RGB right

[static tendon]

Not like it's bad or anything, I just already have one ya know

[static tendon]

Haha no I actually always have RGB effects on 😂

[calm pulsar]

@static tendon I got my black plates from an aliexpress store called "keyboard fun store" , they have POM and a full black FR4 which I personally used

kbdfans also sells a black aluminum plate that is compatible, search for "tofu redux plate" if interested

[knotty iron]

oh because that white helps with RGB a lot

[calm pulsar]

yeah this is true

I personally don't use rgb and find the aesthetic change with black plates very appealing, so it's still a win for me 😄

@knotty iron saw your question in Geon disc 😄

mine came in a plastic box, and I think only divinikey ships in bags?

your order might take like 4 of these boxes I'd guess

[knotty iron]

directly from geon store

[calm pulsar]

I ordered from local korean store, but I think international shipping from geon store looks like this, judging by people's pictures

[knotty iron]

the quantity I am ordering is 180

of the 50g

[glacial wind]

if it's direct from geon it'll probably just be 2 boxes like arcs photo or similar

[tawdry tree]

90 switches do fit in those boxes so it’ll probably 2x 90pcs.

[minor gust]

That's how divinikey ships switches

[calm pulsar]

yeah now that I think of it, the box had a lot of space with 65 switches so it'll probably 2 boxes for 180

[tawdry tree]

yeah I got 70 from geon and later on 20 more from deltakey and put them together

I think the box could hold 100-110 switches actually

maybe for his tkl

[glacial wind]

my 90 switch box is same as yours

[umbral ridge]

GUYS the top of the PCB Wooting 60 module isn't supposed to be rough right?

😭 I think I've just shaved a bit off in a straight line on my PCB trying to cut moletape to size 😢😢😢

I mean at least its still working and the moleskin tape mod sounds good asf but damn....

[knotty iron]

also are RAW HE switches easy to remove and place in, easier than the lekker v2s?

and how smooth are they stock compared to other switches and they have a diffuser?

[calm pulsar]

I sitll have them stock, only installed pingless springs from geon

[uneven cradle]

I haven't had a reason to remove my raw hes

[knotty iron]

but im guessing they are easy to swap out compared to the lekker v2s

[knotty iron]

wow!

[glacial wind]

raw he have a diffuser yeah. They're quite smooth

[knotty iron]

versus the lekker v2s which would you say was smoother stock

[glacial wind]

they're both fine. Neither are rough or binding

[knotty iron]

i guess I will become the next raw he pilled wooting user

gg

[calm pulsar]

yeah I specifically compared maxes to raws and raws don’t have sticking issues when pressed at an angle

[knotty iron]

they are much better i am guessing

[glacial wind]

they're not dual rail or box stem, so quite smooth

[knotty iron]

yeah not a fan of dual rail even on my KS-37 gateron 2.0 HE nebulas

[glacial wind]

i'll record a comparison between raw he vs. swagkey he once i get them on tuesday

[knotty iron]

oooh thanks Jed

[glacial wind]

i don't know when the swagkey he would be available internationally though, and they are box stem so off axis pressing will never be as smooth as non box stem

[umbral ridge]

NVM I DIDNT SHAVE OFF THE TOP BIT OF THE PCB IT LOOKS THE SAME AS IN THE VID guess I haven't really payed attention to the top bit till now even though I've played with the PCB probably like 30 times now

[sonic sequoia]

Has anyone ordered Geon Raws to Australia recently and know how long shipping takes door to door?

[loud zephyr]

cafege in sydney has em

[sonic sequoia]

Oh shit really, i'll have a look

[sonic sequoia]

Do you know what the quantity you're adding is? They don't specify. Like is 1 = 10 switches or just 1 switch

Based on the price I'd assume 1 = 10 but can't be sure

[loud zephyr]

not sure but all their other switches are sold in 10's

[sonic sequoia]

thanks mate

[loud zephyr]

np

[gaunt linden]

Which ones do you have? Or Which do you recommend the best?
(Weight)

[calm pulsar]

I'm using 62.5g ones, but I ordered all weights
the weight is personal preference

I advise seeing if you like stock Lekkers and figuring out if you want lighter springs

[gaunt linden]

If i like stock then i Should be ordering the ones you have rn am i right?

[hard flower]

I ordered 270, & they came in two containers

[random hull]

through aliexpress

[chilly mural]

Thank you for your support to the Church of Geon

[buoyant remnant]

How many switches does 80he have with US layout

[hollow parrot]

Super quick

[sonic sequoia]

Thats crazy fast, but Cafege is cheaper as its local tbh

[frozen raven]

I have geon raw he switches for my future 80he do I need some extra things for the stabilizers knowing that the switches are 3.4mm. Would it be better if I changed the stabilizers for better ones? if so which ones ?

OK, thanks !

[frozen raven]

I don't know much about it, but what is the difference between the types of stabilizers? Long pole ? Standard ?

[robust siren]

thockson has spoken about this before so ill just paraphrase

basically long pole helps with travel and bottom out consistency when using switches with less than 3.7mm

it also relaxes the tolerances and allows worse keycaps to be used without issues

but if you have good quality keycaps standard works just fine (im using Geon Raws with SW Knights standard with pbtfan crosshairs)

[frozen raven]

ok I see thanks for the information !

[random hull]

so im prob gonna tape mod right as i get my 80he, just wondering if i should do polyfill in there too, anyone tried that? it sounded nice to me keybored vid for the 80he but even he wasnt able to say if it was actually doing anything in that particular setup? did anyone experiment with this

[cedar gate]

It depends on the switches your using

[prime orbit]

Is drop reliable?

[sweet oak]

my keycaps are so close to getting to their deer home

[fluid ravine]

You see I would be impatient

[sweet oak]

Got work today, don’t have time to be impatient

[vague stag]

would you say that a plate fork is necessary when chanign switches for a PC-switch plate?

[fluid ravine]

You can support it with your fingers

The plate and pcb is screwed in together anyways, so you don't have to use a plate fork

It's also best to start with your corners first

[vague stag]

alright, havent used it when changing the switches but just thought if there was anything I did wrong

ty

[fluid ravine]

Np

[stone flax]

you guys think this will be thocky thocky creamy?

[hushed edge]

Do keycaps change sound of keyboard

[untold wigeon]

Depends on what they’re made of

[untold wigeon]

Yes. I wish I had one when I did my Pom plate

[vague stag]

Im actually thinking of buying a POM switch plate

might consider it then

[honest nacelle]

yes

cafege in syd has then, knc has them, sympletech in nz has them

[honest nacelle]

😭 stop posting biooocs board

he's "searching for the deep thocccc"

[uneven cradle]

Kiwiclack has them I wouldn't recommend sympletech to anybody

[honest nacelle]

💀

got beef with mist?

[uneven cradle]

Got beef with their prices

[honest nacelle]

fair

i got em for iirc 85aud shipped

so not bad

abt the same I paid from cafege

[uneven cradle]

Kiwiclack had them for $0.8 vs sympletech at $1.37 NZD

Also I've never heard of sympletech and I live in NZ

So my easy recommendation based off those two facts is buy from kiwiclack

Although they are sold out so buy from cafege

[cedar gate]

Yeah pbt is usually thockier than abs

[polar girder]

Material and profile. A little yeah

[glossy pagoda]

We don't sell the W2HE as a module

[lofty kiln]

then wtf is this? XD

[glossy pagoda]

A replacement part shipment by the looks of it

I.e., a fulfillment error

[lofty kiln]

without keycaps***

ahh

I'm waiting for my lekker45s to come

where can I buy stabilizers

[glossy pagoda]

You should reach out to our support and get the right product

And also so that we can ensure that whatever process failure resulted in you getting shipped the wrong product gets addressed internally

[lofty kiln]

it's okay honestly

I'm modding this thing anyway

just lmk what stabilizers to get and I'll be happy so I can research which ones are "best"????

I got keycaps ready for it 😄

[glossy pagoda]

It's not okay from our perspective

This should not happen

[lofty kiln]

Don't stress it big shag 😼‼️

I have the lekker60s

just no stabilizers

But I wanna use the 45s

if I make the order for the 45s can you add it to my order?

[glossy pagoda]

If you let me know your order number I can do internal investigations and then resolve the situation with you via email; that resolution could be to send switches and stabilizers if that you're preference over new unit shipment

[lofty kiln]

That's effort, I'd rather just install the stabilizer

Rather than back n forth shipping

[glossy pagoda]

So what's your order number?

[lofty kiln]

I haven't made it yet

[glossy pagoda]

I'm confused

[somber roost]

if you login to the hub, and check the two he, it'll display an order number https://hub.wooting.io/auth/login

[glossy pagoda]

Did you buy that second hand?

[lofty kiln]

oh for the board

that was my birthday present

I'll ask my brother when he's home

[glossy pagoda]

Did your brother strip it for parts first?

[lofty kiln]

LOL

It's just the stabilizers

[glossy pagoda]

"Happy birthday! Here's a hunk of plastic and silicone you can't use"

[lofty kiln]

NOOO

I have lekker60 switches

I have keycaps

I have everything except the stabilizers xD

[glossy pagoda]

But the keyboard came with stabilizers, so where'd they go?

[lofty kiln]

Are they separate?

[glossy pagoda]

That particular layout is only sold including switches and stabilizers

So unless your brother somehow received a replacement part due to an extremely unlikely fulfillment error (which I'm pretty sure also includes stabilizers) then they removed them

[lofty kiln]

it was in box and plastic wrap

I want to mod the keyboard before using it

[somber roost]

was it a box like this?

[lofty kiln]

Yes

In plastic wrap

[glossy pagoda]

That rules out fulfillment error at least

But if it was sealed from the manufacturer, that opens up another can of worms

[lofty kiln]

I just want to order stabilizers 😭someone please

which ones do I buy

IDC to send it back because that means longer wait

[old swallow]

Chat, did i cook?

[glossy pagoda]

#🪛│modding_faq has a section on stabs

But I really want to understand how you ended up with a W2HE that doesn't already have stabs

[lofty kiln]

would me sending it back help?

[ebon quiver]

ye

stand proud

[glossy pagoda]

Order number and serial number are the pieces of information I'm after

[old swallow]

ty ty 🙏

[somber roost]

order number can be found in the wooting hub
serial number is on the bottom side of the keyboard

[tulip rapids]

hurry up and upload to #1290679654419529771 so i can vote for you

[glossy pagoda]

Yea those keycaps are real nice

[lofty kiln]

I don't stand a xhance

[tulip rapids]

mb just saw you dont have stabilizers😭

[lofty kiln]

Lekker45s for gateron 🤔

okay

I saw u typing

[minor gust]

Finally, after lubing 90 raws he, raw² v1 is complete, just wait till next week for the long poles stabs and neon r2 keycaps for version 2

[lofty kiln]

"long pole stabs"?

Link

[fluid ravine]

Betttt

[minor gust]

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-screw-in-stabilizers

[lofty kiln]

What does "size mean"

[calm pulsar]

I had the most luck with my TX AP stabs, got unlucky with sw knight wires

[fluid ravine]

Like PCB thickness

You need 1.6T

[lofty kiln]

And screw in?

[calm pulsar]

up to you, clip-ins are very fast to install

[lofty kiln]

https://divinikey.com/products/tx-ap-long-pole-plate-mount-stabilizers

This?

[calm pulsar]

I meant clip-ins, not plate mounts

clip-ins are similar to screw-ins, just without screws

I thought the first link had an option between screw-ins and clip-ins

to avoid confusion:

there are plate mounted stabs and pcb mounted stabs

among pcb mounted stabs there are screw-ins and clip-ins

[chilly mural]

geon raw he is now in stock in Mecha malaysia. 90pc comes out to cost less since free shipping in Malaysia.

[tulip rapids]

@robust siren

[tulip rapids]

thats clean

[robust siren]

ok buddy LMFAO

[lofty kiln]

It's without stabilizer it feels like ass

[tulip rapids]

you should send it back though and get a replacement keyboard

[robust siren]

~~im taking this image for research purposes ~~

[lofty kiln]

It's okay I was going to replace the stabilizers anyways

[robust siren]

@tulip rapids i dont even play val much anymore lol

[tulip rapids]

me either but its still trauma we suffer from that cursed game

[tulip rapids]

no brother you can wait😭

[lofty kiln]

I wanna get raws

[tulip rapids]

get you a brand new kb instead with one missing parts

[lofty kiln]

They need different stabs

Missing part I don't need

[celest parrot]

This guy is a chad

[lofty kiln]

I want it with lekker 45s

Do you think?

[lofty kiln]

I just cba to ship back and forward when I already have a keyboard

[celest parrot]

I feel you man

[lofty kiln]

I'd rather keeb that feels like ass for a while than none

[celest parrot]

Do whatever makes you happy

I agree

[lofty kiln]

I don't wanna burden my brother

[stone flax]

yeah like i dont get it... does he just not want the replacements?

[lofty kiln]

On the order #

And I'll be replacing them anyway. I just want to know which ones to get

[somber roost]

you're not burdening wooting by this, in fact i think mark would appreciate if you shared the order number and serial number
but up to you in the end

[lofty kiln]

I'm either getting them or raws neon

Geon

[stone flax]

need is eh

if u need long pole stabs then u need long pole stabs

[lofty kiln]

^^

I'm not sure what switches to get tbh

so i take these

https://deltakeyco.com/en-gb/collections/switches/products/haimu-x-geon-hg-clear-linear-switches?_pos=23&_fid=9b5e01d63&_ss=c

thoughts?

[chilly mural]

It's not hall effect, hmm, seems nice?

[lofty kiln]

https://deltakeyco.com/en-gb/products/geon-raw-zero-switches?variant=49209465438549

okay so this one

[somber roost]

https://deltakeyco.com/en-no/products/geon-raw-he-switch

only these if you want geon switches

[lofty kiln]

what about these?

https://deltakeyco.com/en-gb/products/raptor-he-gaming-switches?_pos=1&_sid=960c774d5&_ss=r

honesty. i love it

raws 40 gf?

which stabilizers for the raw hes 40gf

i didn't know if it was different because the gf

xx

you are so helpful thank you ☺️🙂🙏☺️🙏

[knotty iron]

can you see RGB through the plastic of the raw HE top housing?

[stone flax]

no

[knotty iron]

it looks like its not fully opaque

[stone flax]

no

[stone flax]

yes

[stone flax]

no

[stone flax]

why wouldnt you
?

it has a diffuser

[somber roost]

i like your profile picture mj

[knotty iron]

no not the diffuser, I mean just the plastic of the top housing, it looks like its not fully opaque like a cerakey

[stone flax]

if anything itn shines better than translucent ish housings

[stone flax]

its not

but the bulk of lights not coming from there

and it still gets obnoxiously bright if u want

[stone flax]

tyyy

the housings of the raws are semi transparent akin to cerakeys

[knotty iron]

yes

[stone flax]

i think hes tryna say

yeah

[knotty iron]

thats what I was wondering

[stone flax]

what r u wondering tho

[knotty iron]

or are they fully opaque

[stone flax]

u answered ur own question

[stone flax]

no

[ionic breach]

[knotty iron]

I am refering to the top housing materials not the window/diffuser

i was aware about the window, I just wanted to know about the top housing alone thanks for answering my question

ty

anyone got raw HEs on their 60HE+ or 80HE? I would like to see what it looks like with RGB on if thats ok

maybe a short video with 75% blue spectrum 👀

[marsh saffron]

that poor H key

[untold wigeon]

Raw he 75%

[untold wigeon]

lol it was never broken.

[marsh saffron]

oh?

[untold wigeon]

Stupid kbdfans sheet

It was being blocked

[marsh saffron]

better than a faulty led

thats hilarious

[knotty iron]

does it shine on the plate at all?

[untold wigeon]

My plate is black. So kinda

Look at the bottom row. Reflects well enough I guess. Not as good as white

[knotty iron]

oh so if someone has a white plate it would be more visible right

[untold wigeon]

I think it does in my testing

[marsh saffron]

im still really curious how well pbtfans xray is gonna shine with black plate

[robust siren]

@knotty iron on black fr4 plate

[knotty iron]

can I also see what an illuminated switch looks like with no keycap on, looking from the south side (not northside)

[knotty iron]

clean 😩

[robust siren]

spacebar got foam so the other 4 leds dont shine as much as the middle diffused one

[clever wharf]

Done with my collection almost

Just waiting for my green jades on the pulsar then its complete

[untold wigeon]

Pffft

[clever wharf]

😍

[robust siren]

is that a yellow civic

[knotty iron]

looks cool

[untold wigeon]

Yes

[stone flax]

obsidian airs

yum

[untold wigeon]

Yeah works well. That’s only 75% it gets brighter

[knotty iron]

i use 75% because any brighter and i start to worry myself lol

[untold wigeon]

It’s default with tachyon mode

Maybe it’s 70% I can’t remember

Does anyone know why the escape key turns green when you press it?

[fluid ravine]

I think my mom said i can use one of those

[untold wigeon]

You can have the Basilisk Ultimate. I never use that thing

I alternate pretty frequently.

My favorites are the Pulsar xlite v3 mini, Lamzu Thorn, Vaxee Outset AX, and the Finalmouse is up there but not the best.

[marsh saffron]

I use like 25% base brightness

But my effects are like 70%

[marsh saffron]

I can't wait to get beastx max

[knotty iron]

mind if you take a photo for me?

[marsh saffron]

Finally be able to claw the beastx

[marsh saffron]

I don't have raws only dashes though

[knotty iron]

oh

[marsh saffron]

Maybe I'll get raws soon

[untold wigeon]

I had the mini. It was way too small. But it worked fantastic. I really liked it hardware wise

[marsh saffron]

I like the shape, just need it bigger so I can claw it

And retire my mini for when I want to ftip

[untold wigeon]

I really prefer Ergos, ambis are fine but I play better with ergos

[marsh saffron]

So long as the beastx max isn't too big, which I highly doubt I know I'm gonna love it

[fluid ravine]

i want new mouse and mousepad :_)

[marsh saffron]

I never really liked ergos

[calm pulsar]

Frijoles has the coolest things!

[marsh saffron]

I'm tempted to buy another artisan

[fluid ravine]

really need a washable cloth control pad

i can't with this zowie no mo

using a glorious ice mouse pad

[untold wigeon]

It’s supposed to be bigger than most. Hopefully not huge

[knotty iron]

what happened to keyboard modding chat lol

[marsh saffron]

20x11 hands so id assume it wouldn't be too big for me

[fluid ravine]

hey last time i remember, we talked about nails

https://tenor.com/view/fin-typing-with-long-nails-how-do-you-type-gif-10840142

[knotty iron]

LOL

[untold wigeon]

Hayate Otsu

[calm pulsar]

meanwhile my razer strider barely braeathing after surviving multiple keyboard builds without being washed

[marsh saffron]

Keyboard modding is just the modding nerds hideout to talk about anything and everything

Best channel in the server

[fluid ravine]

i am not made out of moni

[calm pulsar]

true

[marsh saffron]

Just plant a money tree

Doofus

[calm pulsar]

like in sims?

[marsh saffron]

Basically

[fluid ravine]

sorry i dont go outside

[marsh saffron]

You can grow inside

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/forest-gump-wave-hi-hello-howdy-gif-22164679

[marsh saffron]

At least with the trees I grow

[untold wigeon]

Time to go out to dinner. Have a good evening folks

[fluid ravine]

have a good dinneerrrr

[calm pulsar]

bon appetit

[fickle field]

yo has anyone upgraded their stabs on the 80he? curious on the difference between a long stem or a normal stem

[calm pulsar]

which switch do you have?

[fickle field]

havent received my board yet, but its just the base lekker 60s

[calm pulsar]

you don't need long poles on full travel switches, your stab keys actually will not bottom out fully with them

long pole stabs give a benefit on shorter travel switches

[fickle field]

ahh i see, so if i do ever decide to switch out the switches i guess ill have to take note of that

[calm pulsar]

even then it's not a necessity, but in my experience it is a bit nicer

cause with geon raws my stab keys used to tilt a bit, but only if I press with quite a bit of force

[fickle field]

wont it cause like compatibility issues with some switches or am i misunderstanding

[fallen echo]

you will always have to check between switch pole length, stab pole length, switch orientation and keycap profile. that's an unfortunate matter of experience.

[calm pulsar]

if you have long pole stabs and want to switch back to lekkers, you will need to change stabs to normal ones

[fickle field]

ah alright2. i never though of that back when i modded my first keeb, everything just seemed to fall in place lmao

[fickle field]

understood

[stone flax]

switch orientation doesnt matter for wootings

[fickle field]

i guess just to be safe i can just get normal stabs?? just waiting on the keeb rn, if the stabs suck ill try lubing them a bit more else ill upgrade to something else

[stone flax]

Unless u mean for rgb where applicable

[fallen echo]

how so? if I use sth other than lekkers and non-wooting keycaps I could always run into ye olde noth-facing clearance issue

[calm pulsar]

not an issue with HE switches

[stone flax]

most he switches dont have that pitfall for top housings

[fallen echo]

well, then I retract my statements in that part.

[stone flax]

yeah u can just get some non long poles/traditional stabs

[calm pulsar]

I actually have my capslock switch south facing on venom60he, cause it has south led

but I haven't found how to turn it on yet lol, maybe need to update firmware

[stone flax]

can u run stepped caps :3

[calm pulsar]

unfortunately no, you can run normal backspace/split backspace, but other spots on the pcb are fixed

I would run a stepped caps if I could

[stone flax]

awww :< no extra space is sadge

[calm pulsar]

yeah

[polar girder]

Can’t wait for 2mm full travel HE switches

What’s good Num pad people use to accompany 60HE?

[jade storm]

no obsidians is crazy

[polar girder]

Doesn’t have to be HE obvi (not sure if I’ve ever seen an HE num pad)

[calm pulsar]

I have a wireless microsoft numpad 😄

[clever wharf]

u mean the red ones?

i had those applied on my hsk but i felt like they kinda scratchy on the skypad idk

[calm pulsar]

btw there is a frog numpad from geon

not produced anymore tho I think

[stone flax]

it is obsidians

[random hull]

hmm hope i wont run into issues then, since nobody sells 4.5U stabs im locked into keeping the stock ones, and planning to go with geons

[calm pulsar]

stock ones are very good already, no real need to change them unless they are broken

[random hull]

but the tilt you mentioned when would i experience an issue with that or

🤔

[calm pulsar]

on proper quality keycaps it is not noticeable in normal use

[random hull]

my keycap set is cherry mx profile(?)

[calm pulsar]

but if you deliberately press with force on the end of stab keycaps, they might tilt around

[random hull]

hmm

okay

hope it wont be too bad, is there anything that can be done if new stabs are just no option. nobody actually sells these things

[calm pulsar]

geon stem spacers will fix that

[random hull]

ohh really, okay cool

great, thanks. ill just have to get those then if its a problem

[calm pulsar]

i'm always forgetting about them, but yeah they are a very easy solution

@fickle field btw look into geon stem spacers as well, I forgot to mention them

they make normal stabs long poles essentially

and you can remove them if you switch to full travel switches

[tawdry tree]

You need plate mounted stabs for the Two HE, not PCB mounts!!

[polar girder]

Yeah only in like red purple and blue I think tho

I’ve seen some purple ones on MM but meh idk

[calm pulsar]

there is also a gasket mound pad from kbdfans lol

taco pad or smth it's called

[polar girder]

Yeah that things sick

[lofty kiln]

Can you recommend?

[tawdry tree]

TX AP plate mounts are fine

can you be asked to lube them or nah?

😂

[polar girder]

Thanks I forgot about that one

Prob the way to go for something premium and frog mini esque

A black frog num pad would be ideal tho lol

[calm pulsar]

I think they existed still?

the listings on old website had pics of white and black but I could be mistaken

old page* I mean

[polar girder]

Oh damn ok maybe idk

I’ll keep an eye out. Thanks.

[polar girder]

Man yeah that would be really ultimate

Might have to make another MM WTB post

[calm pulsar]

yeah it would go nicely with the frog

[tall parcel]

is there anything similar to the frogpad that is avaliable currently?

[polar girder]

https://kbdfans.com/products/taco-pad

this one if you like purple

[tall parcel]

hoping to get something red just ordered holy60 in red and my beast x is red aswell

if there something out there with that aesthetic would be fucken awesome

[tacit thunder]

hello, sorry if this is a stupid question but if i put gateron jades on my 60he, does wootility show a maximum actuation point of 3.6mm or will it still show as 4.0 mm in the software?

[oblique dagger]

Seems too much pressure from a gummy o ring mount really fucks with the board

[fallen pewter]

Hi there, Might have a question though: I'm kind of an (old) guy (haha), and I've been mostly used to a Corsair k70 rapidfire or logitech blue switches, what would you recommend to fit with a wooting 80HE (still Hall effect) close to what I had as I just got one for myself? I mean I got the lekker green and yellow, but idk something feels kinda off, even though I'm changed the actuation point I still feel I'm pressing those switches by mistake etc. Idk how to describe what I'm feeling but switching from my new 80HE to my old keyboard doesn't quite feel the same even though I've tried to get used to it. I thought about Gateron maybe but idk which one? Ty to all who will answer!

[stray tiger]

Geon RAW HE switches

[ionic breach]

God (also geon) Bless Geon

[ionic breach]

tho with HE switches

actuation depth is adjustable

so you can adjust it to be less sensitive if you are misinputting

maybe try 1.5?

its near what those 2 u used are

[stone flax]

ur not used to it bc some of the switches u used to be on were clickies

with a bump

these have no bump

for u to rely on

[umbral ridge]

wtf is a taco pad

[ionic breach]

a numpad

[tawdry tree]

It shows 4 still but you can treat the slider as %. So when you set 4mm in Wootility, your Jades will actuate at 3.3mm (bottom out) in reality.

[finite carbon]

what do you guys think about the stabs sound? does the enter key rattle/tick a little bit?

[fallen pewter]

are they hall effect as well?

Thanks for all the answers btw

[fallen pewter]

Might seem to be the issue in fact, any idea what kind of hall effect could I get to get the same feeling?

[stone flax]

nothing that is good

[lone plume]

to me sound fine. maybe that side sound profile is like this

[stone flax]

consider heavier springs until a proper tactile/clicky implementation is out for public

[fallen pewter]

AHAH well

[fallen pewter]

What kind of switches would implement that? I'm not really into switches tbf

[stone flax]

its really up to manufacturers

to do so

but honestly

unless people can move the bump

forcing he in clicky/tactiles

wont hit as well

bc of adjustable ap

[lone plume]

@stone flax how you newly mod keyboard?

[stone flax]

? what does this mean

[lone plume]

i thought you doing tghe thocky keyboard

[lone plume]

this

[stone flax]

thats not mine

its satire

its a horrendous thing to do to keyboards what is depicted in that image

[lone plume]

lol

polyfill with like 2 or 3 layer tape

what that center piece im not sure

[sweet oak]

[sweet oak]

Got greeted by a friend

Also now that im looking, my left side spacebar stab does sit a little lower than the right

[knotty iron]

mango i have a question

[fallen pewter]

I see, thanks for the answer tho

[sweet oak]

Shoot

[knotty iron]

i was asking hopperbus this and was gonna send pics of his board

but

if you have Raw HE switches in a 60HE+ or 80HE with a white plate, and preferably with the black keycaps, can I see 75% bright 4s blue spectrum on a short video?

just as a small sample

[sweet oak]

Ah unfortunately i do not have any raw hes

[finite carbon]

i just noticed my spacebar switch lifts on the bottom side, can the plate be bent? any solution on that?

[knotty iron]

all good thanks

[knotty iron]

@torpid crow can I ask if you have some time atm?

[crimson crypt]

is there any mod i should do to make the overall gaming experince better?

like change the case or switches

[glacial wind]

seems wasabi had the same 'sticky' feeling with his jade max switches

[knotty iron]

i think everyone does

[glacial wind]

he attributed it to the tolerance though, so he might not know about the pc on pc material issue

[knotty iron]

i can let him know on twitter later

[glacial wind]

i wonder if that's why the ttc pom magneto is delayed still actually

pom on pom would cause the same issue

[knotty iron]

btw jed are you still running Raw HE?

[cedar gate]

That a new switch?

[glacial wind]

yeah i still have raw he

[glacial wind]

jade max is the see through jades

[knotty iron]

if you're using a kb with a white plate can i see what it looks like with 75% brightness and blue spectrum?

[glacial wind]

i'll be running raw he + swagkey peony on wasd though from tuesday onwards, just to test it out

[cedar gate]

Oh its MX not HE

[glacial wind]

i don't use a white plate so can't help you there

[glacial wind]

? no it's he

[knotty iron]

ok got it

[cedar gate]

No wasabi?

[glacial wind]

wasabi is a creator

[knotty iron]

wasabi reviews peripherals usually

[cedar gate]

Oh lol

[untold wigeon]

Here is white plate. 75% purple though. Best I have in my files

[knotty iron]

blue spectrum is the rgb effect, click on the drop down and its the bottom one

are those raw HE?

[knotty iron]

ok i just got the Raw HE 50gs and some other stuff

[quasi hinge]

How are they?

[knotty iron]

well

i just ordered them I should say

ill let you know :)

i heard good things aboput the, hopefully I like em lots

[quasi hinge]

ohhh I thought you meant you received yours

[knotty iron]

i need a smooth switch

[quasi hinge]

Mine arrive monday from geon

[knotty iron]

my bad lol

[quasi hinge]

no word from gateron yet on the Maxs lol

[knotty iron]

i just ordered some 50g ones and 52.5g pingless springs in case

[quasi hinge]

I missed the pingless springs

shucks

[knotty iron]

maybe the springss are already ok

[quasi hinge]

The springs make them like the raptors right?

[knotty iron]

no clue

[quasi hinge]

Operating Force - 42.0g
Bottom-out Force - 52.0g

-Raptors

[knotty iron]

i htink the ponglesds are around high 30s

[glacial wind]

just bag lube the springs that come with it

[knotty iron]

less thanq 40

[glacial wind]

you don't need pingless if you just lube the springs anyway

[quasi hinge]

Really?

[glacial wind]

yeah. The whole point of lubing springs is no ping after lubing

[quasi hinge]

the only reason I would get them is to match the actuation force of my current raptors in my 60he+

I see the bottom out force

[glacial wind]

keep in mind bottom out spring force may not necessarily match 1:1 with the switches listed bottom out force too

[quasi hinge]

but not the actuation for the springs

[quasi hinge]

right

[glacial wind]

for example it's not uncommon for switches listed as 60g to be closer to 52-55g springs inside

[quasi hinge]

interesting

Because the lekkers were either too strong or too soft

gateron oranges were meh

raptors were perfect for me

did you ever try the raptors?

[glacial wind]

if you want raptor 50g force for example, I'd buy the 42.5g geon pingless springs (if i were buying springs)

yeah I've had the raptors before

[quasi hinge]

Im interested in the Operating Force

[glacial wind]

raptors are 50g bottom

[quasi hinge]

bottom out force is meh to me

im more interested on intial

[glacial wind]

you mean starting force

[quasi hinge]

since RAWs are 36

[quasi hinge]

yes

I liked the roughly 42.5 starting force on the raptors

hence why I thought getting the springs would make the raw similar to the raptor

but then the shorter travel distance may affect the force?

[glacial wind]

you can just spring swap the raptor springs into raw he if you want specifically exactly the same weight

[quasi hinge]

what about the travel distance?

has no effect on the spring?

like if I load the 4.0mm raptor spring into the 3.4? RAW....

[glacial wind]

it changes the feel a bit too, but that's more a personal preference thing

[quasi hinge]

it seems like it would increase the staring force

unless my physics head is off

[glacial wind]

it would increase the middle

or rather the ramping up

[quasi hinge]

so the starting force? lol

[glacial wind]

no the starting is just the initial start

and the end is just the end

[quasi hinge]

okay noted on this, ty

[glacial wind]

technically i guess both? but more so the middle

[quasi hinge]

I onlk have 65 raptors though

not enough for the 80he

so I thought the spring option might be better?

[glacial wind]

honestly don't overanalyse it - most of those springs are similar start/end. Just buy the springs you want

[quasi hinge]

okay

would you happen to know the starting force of those geon springs?

https://geon.works/products/he-springs-15mm?variant=45151793053859

they only list the bottom out force

is it because it will depend what switch they are put in?

[glacial wind]

nah they don't list em, but likely similar to 90% of springs

which is in the 30s

[quasi hinge]

okay thanks again

so I would be wrong to assume that since the bottom out force is similar to the raptors.... the starting force may not?

Raptors:
Operating Force - 42.0g
Bottom-out Force - 52.0g

Pingless
Operating Force - ?
Bottom-out Force - 52.0g

[glacial wind]

you'd have to ask geon for the exact starting force

but generally most springs are in the mid 30s ish for starting force

[quasi hinge]

Alright

Ty, cheers

[near barn]

Has anyone tested the glorious HE switches?

just found out apparently the gmmk 3 is hotswappable between both 3/5 pin switches and HE switches

saw that glorious had 3 HE switches on their site, was wondering if anyone tried them since they're not on the list of tested switches on the modding faq

[stone flax]

question

what are they actually referring to as starting forces when it comes to HE

cuz adjustable ap means no frame for that

is it just like

1.0mm?

0.1mm?

or literal preload

at the top

[glacial wind]

just the starting force. But it gets complicated because i'd bet some manu just list the spring info

[stone flax]

ah so physical

makes sense

[glacial wind]

yeah

[stone flax]

yeah thats my issue too

how many manufacturers just continually list the wrong shit

💀

[glacial wind]

then it gets more fun when you realize spring weight isn't exactly the same as listed switch weight bottom out

like a lot of 60g switches are more like 52-55g springs, 50g switches more like 42-45g springs etc

[dusk sedge]

Hey i’m seeing conflicting information on the 1.6T TX AP (WK 6.25U long pole) stabs being able the 60he+ pcb or not. Anyone with experience installing them? Looking to get them to use with gateron jades.

The screw ins

[uneven cradle]

They are known to have potential inconsistencies #🪛│modding_faq message

I'm not so sure if that extends out to long pole but I assume it does

[calm pulsar]

it does

[calm pulsar]

depending on how lucky with the plate your stabs might not fit
the solution would be to either cut the plate to allow the stabs to be installed freely or get stabs that are as thin as the stock screw-ins

@dusk sedge but if you just have stock screw-ins stabs then use them I'd say

no real reason to change the stabs unless they have actual issues

[random hull]

Hmm so Calder told me: "You can use other stabs, just use the same metal wire to have it fit the 4.5u". So if I buy the Knight V2 I'd be able to use it long as I stick to the stock stab?

[dusk sedge]

Okay thank you!

[calm pulsar]

you could just take the wire from the stock stabs if you really want to switch to knights

[dusk sedge]

Ive just also seen issues with the jades and the stock stabs so was thinking why not upgrade

[random hull]

yeah since the XHT-BDZ i was to get for lubing them costs as much as a set of knights, I wanted to swap

[calm pulsar]

you can alternatively get geon stem spacers, which will make youre stock stabs essentially "long pole"

[random hull]

do I need the long pole one in this case

for 80HE, long pole knight v2

[calm pulsar]

if you have a shorter travel switch (jades, geon raw he), then long poles would be ideal

[random hull]

ah okay, yeah its the geons

[calm pulsar]

but even then I had normal stabs with jades without any big issues

[random hull]

but like there is no chance the long pole would be too much and cause a problem then?

just making sure

[dusk sedge]

Oh really? What thickness do you think

[calm pulsar]

I am using geons with TX AP long pole right now, they're perfectly fine

[random hull]

alright great. yeah long as i can swap in the stock wire it sounds like i should be fine then

[calm pulsar]

I got the black variant, which is 0.5mm I think
I used it a bit on my knights, but I got unlucky with the spacebar wire so I just threw in my long pole TX AP, but geon spacers worked fine with short pole stabs

[dusk sedge]

How did you get your long poles to fit did you have issues?

[calm pulsar]

I have a different custom plate currently, which has wide cutouts that would fit any stab

but before that I just took TX AP long pole stems and put them into the stock stab housings 😄

it was a bit scuffed but acted like a proper long pole stab

@dusk sedge are you getting an 80he?

or do you have issues fitting TX AP to your 60he

[dusk sedge]

Thinking of doing a new build on a 60he+ module

and selling my current 60he to a friend bc I want the PC plate and thought there would be stab upgrade options but it seems everyone runs stock

[calm pulsar]

you can just get the module and apply geon stem spacers and any short travel switch

stock stabs work fine, just need proper lubing and making sure wires are straight

[dusk sedge]

Damn as easy as just throwing them onto the stabs? Thats good to know thank you!

Also I was looking to get the jades lubed and filmed of etsy, does filming cause any potential issues?

And I’m installing into the tofu redux any accompanying mods people recommend? Ive heard burger mounting isn’t worth it but anything else?

[calm pulsar]

yeah these things are just inserted onto the stab stems making them act like long poles when keycaps are installed

[calm pulsar]

I'd recommend against filming, because most switches have good tolerances already and no real need to film them

you could friction mount your module in a case like tofu redux for better sound and feel

[calm pulsar]

#🪛│modding_faq message here's info about friction mount aka gummy o-ring mount

ohh now that I think of it, friction mounting doesnt really work with the stock module stabs, cause of the screws

clip-ins are recommended for friction mounting

[dusk sedge]

The person I was gonna order from it’s literally $5 extra so I was figuring might as well? Shouldn’t cause any issues would it?

[dusk sedge]

Okay great ill look into it, any clip in you recommend?

[calm pulsar]

I genuinely think it's too much work for potentially no benefit, especially if you get jade pros or geon raw he, cause they are already very good on tolerances

[dusk sedge]

I would be having it done for me haha like ordering them lubed and filmed off etsy

And the filmed ones are barely more expensive

[calm pulsar]

I only really know Cherry clip-ins and TX AP clip-ins, but they might have issues with the stock module PC plate

if you really want to use these you might widen the stab holes a little bit with an exacto knife

[calm pulsar]

oh so it is included, well then you might try it out

[calm pulsar]

but this if ofc all to your own risk 😄

the main compatibility issue is that TX AP are a bit too wide for stock wooting stab cutouts on the plate

[dusk sedge]

Filming shouldn’t effect functionality at all of the magnets right

[calm pulsar]

nope it shouldnt change anything in that regard

[dusk sedge]

Damn sucks there isn’t a known 100% fitting option hmm, thanks for the information!

[calm pulsar]

I believe staebies and sw knight v2s are the same width as the stock stabs, but they are only available in screw-in config so there's that

[finite carbon]

Do you guys have some of the switches wobble up and down( thr whole housing)? I had to put some paper on the pcb holes where the legs enter to have them fit snugly

On the wooting keeb

[calm pulsar]

do you have anything else added in terms of mods?

[finite carbon]

No i only replaced the switches and stabs wirh screw ins

It is a new 60he+

i did all very carefully

But i noticed some switches would lift up and down

[calm pulsar]

did you screw in the plate properly? cause it sounds like your plate might not be straight or something

[finite carbon]

Yeah i did, my first thought was was that, it is very straight

And i made sure to not over-tighten the screws

Like to me it seems the pcb holes for the switch legs sometimes are bigger

[calm pulsar]

then i'm not sure tbh, when I install switches they are usually snug in there, but I also use a little sheet of foam over the pcb

[finite carbon]

Like on top of pcb?

[calm pulsar]

yes
i'm not sure if it is even good for the sound, I just use the same sheet that came free with one of kbdfans plates that I got for wooting

but I like how my build sounds so I do not take it out

[finite carbon]

I see, interesting

Yeah

They only have the 2 legs

[calm pulsar]

yeah good point

[finite carbon]

But the plate they all can move up down

It is the 2 holes that keep them tight

Slight lift up or down

North and south lifitng

Yes

Seen from the side

[calm pulsar]

maybe you can film us a vid and show how it moves

[finite carbon]

Yeah but why the rest did not move at all, only some

I put some paper on the place they enter and they are tight

[calm pulsar]

maybe tolerances of the plate are worse a bit in some spots, but I had no issue with mine

[finite carbon]

I had rattle on the spacebar

Due to this

It was spacebar, enter and right shift for me

[calm pulsar]

this is likie

likely the stabs

[finite carbon]

Well no

The stabs are tight the switch moves

In relation to the plate

I will make a video later

Backspace was fine

My guess is that some of the pcb holes for the switch legs are bigger

[calm pulsar]

if you install switches onto bare pcb the switches lift off very easily

so I don't think it's the holes

the plate should hold them in place

[finite carbon]

Okay explain how

Stabs are screw in so are not touching the plate

Im not talking about the rattle

Im talking about switches not sitting tight on plate

Dude lol

No my issue was switches moving up down

Drom pcb

[calm pulsar]

do your alphas have an issue with keycaps installed?

[finite carbon]

Let me do a video

[calm pulsar]

cause I think even if switches did move up and down, you wouldn't notice it in real use cause you always press down kinda

[finite carbon]

Rattle and when i did the tiny paper mod on the switch it was fixed

[finite carbon]

True but due to spring it brings it up

[calm pulsar]

[finite carbon]

Okay give me 5 min

Plate is not bent

Some random normal keys do it also

Brand new switches btw

I think shitty tolerances

[glacial wind]

that movement is fairly common, particularly in switches that were opened once before

Sometimes you just have switches where the clips are a bit loose

[finite carbon]

But this are brand new

And it does only on some places like if i move the switch somewhere else it does not do that

[glacial wind]

Yeah that’s common, at least with a lot of the switch packs I have. Wooting or otherwise

[finite carbon]

I see

[calm pulsar]

you could just get a foam sheet and it will likely be less prominent

[finite carbon]

I put some paper on the pcb holes and they sit tight now

Was just wondering if it was only me

[glacial wind]

Usually the movement isn’t enough to impact sound and such so most folks don’t notice

[finite carbon]

I don’t mind it on normal keys but on the stabilised ones it is noticeable

[finite carbon]

Agreed, on normal keys i do not notice

I figured it out

It is the keys with stabs

They do not clip left and right

Due to the spaces

Why so aggressive lol

Im mounting it

[ionic breach]

WHERE IS SHE?

[finite carbon]

Incoming

Without the paper

And with

Plus i can see the switch lifting up and down when hitting the spacebar

So it is moving

[calm pulsar]

the spacebar almost sounds better without paper 😄

[finite carbon]

Lol

[glacial wind]

yeah i'm confused, what's wrong with the space bar in the before? there's no rattling

[finite carbon]

Well yesterday with a switch was doing it, i changed that and this one sits more tightly

Anyway you guys say that it is normal for the switches to have this lift?

[glacial wind]

some will have small movement yeah

[finite carbon]

Okay

[glacial wind]

that's with all my keyboard switches, it doesn't normally impact sound

[finite carbon]

Just wanted to check if it was only mine

Thank you for the info

This is how im modding it, put the paper like this and just push the switch

[glacial wind]

What stabs are you using?

With what switches?

[finite carbon]

V2 and sw knights v2

[glacial wind]

Normal knight v2, not knight v2 long pole right?

[finite carbon]

Yes normal

The stabs are perfect, it was that switch that was moving a lot yesterday, i was changing it and i noticed the lift

The lift arguably does not change the sound

[lone plume]

If you really bother by that lift

[glacial wind]

don't do that

easy to mess with the HE

[lone plume]

I tried with and without don't really mess with the HE

[glacial wind]

the problem is the 'really' part

[calm pulsar]

lmao

[calm pulsar]

if anything it elevates the lift over pcb and plate

better get switch pads then

cause they will make the switches sit snuggier

[glacial wind]

i'm willing to bet when measured they have a small effect on accuracy for most people, but the effect isn't enough for most to notice

[finite carbon]

yeah that should increase the height of the magnet also

for now the paper mod works, as only the switches that are not fully sorrounded by the plate have it, G H sapacebar shifts etc

[lone plume]

Isn't putting paper same as increase the height?

[finite carbon]

no because it enters in the hole sorrounding the legs

[calm pulsar]

it does very slightly, and then the plate holds down the switch anyways