🔧│keyboard_modding

[stone flax]

what are u not getting here

this is a result of tight tolerances

not just “lube makes it stick”

?

its stem walls to housings

[ebon quiver]

no, that's not what i'm talking about and not where it sticks

it's not walls of the plunger getting stuck on the housing walls, just the two flat horizontal surfaces

you could take two flat pieces of plastic and make them stick together with lube, the same thing is happening here

[marsh saffron]

You got some wonky ass lube

[ebon quiver]

whatever someone put in those geon raws lmao

[tawdry tree]

Are you sure it’s gone when the lube is removed @ebon quiver? I can’t replicate it with mine.

I thought it was because of the tiny little rails on the top housing sliding over the stem

[ebon quiver]

ye, gone when i removed lube with some alcohol

[tawdry tree]

Weird

[uneven cradle]

I just fixed my flatmates sticky spacebar, too much lube

[tawdry tree]

It feels very friction-y for me

[ebon quiver]

but i had to go over it a bunch of times to remove all the lube

just doing a splash of isopropyl alcohol wasn't enough

[tawdry tree]

Just tried a couple switches and you’re right. It’s far less than stock. Good find!

[ebon quiver]

[tawdry tree]

It changes sound slightly of course and not really for the better imo

[ebon quiver]

poggers

and ye sound a bit worse from it

[tawdry tree]

It’s worth it though.

[ebon quiver]

imo worth it too

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, it’s a really good find. A few people have noticed the “friction feel” with the Raw HEs at the restion position and this resolves it almost completely.

[ebon quiver]

it just makes it feel more linear

at the top that is

[tawdry tree]

Yeah!

[wind karma]

hey, i actually came here to ask about something similar

but its on the jades instead

[ionic breach]

👀 how did he get rid of it?

[wind karma]

it feels scratchy probably because of the angle i press my keys at which is very annoying

[tawdry tree]

Removed the lube

[ionic breach]

at the top?

[tawdry tree]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message from here.

[ionic breach]

🙏

[tawdry tree]

I used an alcohol wipe and a toothpick

[tawdry tree]

I haven’t noticed it on the Jades, do they have it too?

[wind karma]

idk if it's the exact same thing but i'm feeling a scratchiness

if i press in slowly its very noticeable

[tawdry tree]

Hmm

Could be a bad factory lube job?

[wind karma]

possibly

[vague stag]

how many standoffs do you use with the tofu60? I am using all of them. Wondering if the keyboard will sound more consistent if I only use a few of the stand offs

[summer storm]

can someone help me with the keyboard rq

[devout torrent]

sup brah

just ask

[elfin garnet]

@polar girder Off The Grid that a lot of the big streamers are streaming right now is the game I was talking about way back. It’s lit, you should check it out

[polar girder]

lol that’s funny

Friend mentioned it a couple hours ago and I “ordered” the beta online

Gonna download it when I get home

Not happy about epic games launcher but whatever

[tawdry tree]

@ebon quiver the top housing of the Jades (and KS-20s in general) have a tiny bump where the stem hits the top housing. Presumably to prevent what happens with the Raw HEs from happening. 😂

It’s hard to get a picture of

if you have Jades or V1 Lekkers you can see it.

[untold wigeon]

Drop 50% off sale

[tropic urchin]

Your advice worked 🙏🏻

[random loom]

Chat does anyone know if there is a possibility that I can buy white poron foam…

[ebon quiver]

oh ye i see what you mean, 4 tiny things, not sure what's their purpose

might also be to reduce clack on upstroke

[cedar gate]

I'm dum after you take the stabs out how do you put them back in

[random loom]

Screw in or plate mount

[cedar gate]

Ignore that I got it lol

👍👍

[random loom]

Alr nice

[random loom]

Does anyone know

[ebon quiver]

big hole geon

[tropic urchin]

Lubing is actually kinda relaxing

[ebon quiver]

luckily had the correct size drill bit, now it's like lekkers travel and bottom out sound, but raw

tempting to get a reamer and do all of them

[random loom]

Don’t suffer urself

Don’t make the geon raw suffer

;troll;

[west wing]

stuffed sound deadener into my ghost PCR case. Tight fit (2mm thick plus one layer of tape) but made the noise a little lower frequency. Also threw some into the space bar

[untold wigeon]

I did that too. Helped a little

[polar girder]

Yeah same

I like it

[calm pulsar]

nice!

[tropic urchin]

Also, I recommend lubing your Maxes if you want to maximize sound (ik you said you didn’t wanna), but they sound so much better handlubed 👀

[fleet summit]

Lol the 80HE switch puller teeth broke

[elfin garnet]

Yeah that’s about the only downside rn

[calm pulsar]

I see, I might just add some krytox then

[elfin garnet]

Other than optimization, but that’s expected from an alpha

[polar girder]

Bro and it’s third person

Nahhh

[calm pulsar]

lol not sure what yall are talking abt but I agree already

[calm pulsar]

rip
good keycap puller tho

[fleet summit]

It was too tight

[dusty pebble]

[calm pulsar]

how in the hell

[dusty pebble]

i dont know

[fleet summit]

They should've sticked with gateron for the v2s

[dusty pebble]

i wanted to give them a shot again and lube them

[calm pulsar]

these are v2s?

[dusty pebble]

no

old lekkers

[calm pulsar]

ah I see

[uneven cradle]

Why gateron are falling behind if anything

Factory lubing isn't anywhere near as good

[fleet summit]

At least it aint as bad as these ttc magneto lol

So dry

Which one do you guys think looks better? These pixel keycaps or these womier blank keycaps?

[elfin garnet]

Think it’s getting first person down the line

[random loom]

Welp it’s 12 am in my place so

DAY 2 anyone knows that where can u buy White poron foam

I searched through every website I can if you found one send me a link

[vocal grove]

Hi folks, wooting 60he is too loud and it affects my sister to sleep when I using it at night, any silent mod recommend? Keycap, case etc.?

[calm pulsar]

so nice to get home after a vacation and listen to your keyboard

[tiny summit]

Has anyone needed to replace the poron pad foam under the leaf springs for the salvation case? If so, were you able to find a replacement online anywhere? 🙂

[tawdry tree]

DRILL?!? Why didn’t you just use a Lekker V2 bottom
housing?!?!?! 😂😂😭

[calm pulsar]

lmao

[devout torrent]

Lmfaooo this is too funny

[untold wigeon]

Yes. Buy your sister headphones

[exotic venture]

is there a list of compatible HE switches for the 60HE? I heard some switches can overload it or something

[random loom]

Difference in sound?

If I switch it

[placid wagon]

Can I see the womier keycaps?

[tawdry tree]

Not all switches work because of their magnets’ strengths. You can check #🪛│modding_faq message although most of the latest switches aren’t on there yet.

[tawdry tree]

Yes. Open bottom vs semi open.

It’ll sound like a Lekker V2 though, just with a bit less wobble.

[random loom]

Ah….

Guys 2.5 or 3.5

For more cream marbly

[cedar gate]

It's actually crazy how perfect that is lol

[cedar gate]

I would go 3.5 thicker foam usually has a thockier creamier sound IN MY OPINION DONT ATTACK ME

[stone flax]

u cant just keep saying in my opinion as a cop out

😭

[agile grove]

is this sacrilege to the raw cult?

[agile grove]

who’s gonna stop him

[stone flax]

realistically no one, but if every piece of advice has the asterisk *= only my opinion

whats the point

😭

there gotta be some objectivity

at some point

[agile grove]

well it’s true, keyboard modding is entirely based on preference.

[stone flax]

?

not entirely

there is definitely objective metrics

[agile grove]

true

but it is mostly preference

[minor gust]

would be interesting a sound comparation of a raw he open bottom vs lekkers on spacebar

[stone flax]

the effects of poron thickness on dampening

is not an opinion thing

😭

[cedar gate]

Lol I'm just saying I like more foam

[cedar gate]

Yeah no one likes rattle and I think that's it?

[stone flax]

? are u telling me the difference between plate materials are preference

[cedar gate]

Yeah

[stone flax]

or measurable tolerances are preference

[cedar gate]

Yeah

[stone flax]

or levels of resonance is preference

[cedar gate]

Some people like polycarbonate some ppl like fr4 all preference

[stone flax]

?????

[cedar gate]

Idek what that is

[stone flax]

what does that have to do with what i asked

i asked

is there an objective measure between the difference from one plate material to the next for example

[cedar gate]

Oh that's what you meant

[stone flax]

in terms of sound and/or feel

is there not

[cedar gate]

Yeah there are measurable factuals yes

[stone flax]

so whats up with rattle being the only non preference thing?

huh

[cedar gate]

Polycarbonate is objectively more thocky than say steal

[cedar gate]

Lol I put a question mark for a reason

[cedar gate]

Your super agro bruh

Chill be suave like him

[agile grove]

https://tenor.com/view/car-garn47-garn-47-garn-car-garn47-gif-17918098241540694989

[cedar gate]

Super cute doggo

Won't scratch the hell out of you without a hint of remorse like a cat

[idle flint]

Anyone have tips for reducing the pingyness in metal cases? Ive tape moded and added foam. Anything else? Still very metallicy

[uneven cradle]

What case

[idle flint]

The GH60

[honest nacelle]

gh60 is a standard

not a case

[fluid ravine]

looks like a marshmellow

[idle flint]

That was kinda what I was going for lol

[fluid ravine]

[idle flint]

Mojo60 case

[fluid ravine]

What kind of foam do you use

[idle flint]

The default one from the original case

[fluid ravine]

Oh and usually your board can be pingy due to the mounting points of a tray mount. The PCB making direct contact with the case can be one source of ping on some parts of the board

[idle flint]

So probably need o rings huh?

Video for reference. The sides sounds good and how to HE Raw switches should but the middle is the pingy part

[viral vine]

are durocks better than the defaut wooting stabs

[fluid ravine]

You use the middle screw?

or nah

[fluid ravine]

Wooting Stabs are relatively the same as Durocks (esp their plate mounts)

[idle flint]

Yeah I did

[fluid ravine]

Try unscrewing that one and see how it sounds

[idle flint]

Ok Ill try that thx

[fluid ravine]

Don't thank me yet, not once the problem is somewhat fixed

[idle flint]

Would generally loosening the screws a bit help?

[fluid ravine]

Eh honestly I would just unscrew the whole damn thing

Normally we don't use the middle screw

And some don't even use the one next to the spacebar

[idle flint]

Screw it Ill try that too

[fluid ravine]

yea

[lean mist]

what did you do to your spacebar

[viral vine]

what the dif in sound between mech and he switches

[lean mist]

mech?

[fluid ravine]

Mechanical

MX boards

[lean mist]

doesn't it feel lose when you don't use all the screws

[fluid ravine]

Nope

Tray Mount is meant to be stiff

Same thing with top mount and bottom mount

Screwed directly to the case

[lean mist]

what about burger

[fluid ravine]

Burger is somewhat softer in a way

[random loom]

Yessir

[fluid ravine]

Depending on the screw depth it can vary the sound of the board

[lean mist]

so with burger do i stil not screw mid

[fluid ravine]

And it's a type of way to seperate the direct contact of the pcb and case

[lean mist]

i agreeee

[fluid ravine]

I'm saying you don't need to use the middle

[lean mist]

ah

[fluid ravine]

it's not necessary

[lean mist]

i see

[fluid ravine]

Even the spacebar

the most important screw is the one next to the USB port

and the other side of it

[idle flint]

What do you mean?

[red panther]

is tofu redux better thaan tofu 2.0 for 60he+?

[lean mist]

sounds noice

[fluid ravine]

Tofu 2.0 is incompatible

[red panther]

orr

ohhh

[idle flint]

Oh I have spacebar foam in the keycap as well as 2 sound dampening stickers under it

[fluid ravine]

Tofu Redux is the updated Tofu 60 v1

[red panther]

what cases would u reccomend

[lean mist]

tofu

[fluid ravine]

Basic case that everyone would choose is the tofu redux

[red panther]

ahh

is there anything cheaper?

[fluid ravine]

but if you have the budget with going something more expensive i have other options

[lean mist]

stock

[fluid ravine]

you could get like a cheaper GH60 Aluminum Case from aliexpress

[lean mist]

what's your expensive option haunt

[fluid ravine]

I have one that was gifted from The Thockfather himself

[red panther]

okay

[lean mist]

gonna graduate soon so i might give my gf the 2he since she likes the number pad and might get a 80

[fluid ravine]

Depending on mounting styles and all that
Something a bit more expensive out rn i would go with the KBDfans 461E. It's a tray mount case and can also be a silicone tab mount case.

@red panther

[lean mist]

ik some ppl like a loud thick but im more of a silent thick/creme

[fluid ravine]

You can wait for the frog mini leggera

[red panther]

okay thanks guys

ill go do some research and then decide

[fluid ravine]

Frog mini leggera will be coming in two type of mounting styles, Gummy O'ring and Tray mount

And it should be a lot cheaper than the original Frog Mini by a lot iirc

Due to like case materials and what not im pretty sure

It's something to look out for

[fluid ravine]

wut

wut in the buzzwords did i just read

[idle flint]

ITS FIXED!!!! @fluid ravine

Tyty

[lean mist]

ooh what's the release date

[red panther]

is this compatible with wooting?

[fluid ravine]

No problem anytime

[fluid ravine]

I dont have a clue rn

[lean mist]

i meant thock autocorrect

[fluid ravine]

I think Q1 of 2025

[fluid ravine]

yeah seems like it

[red panther]

nice im getting that then

[fluid ravine]

Idk about the first photo in the first screenshot

but the second photo of it yes

[fluid ravine]

based on this however...

I dont think so

[red panther]

ohhhhh

how so

[fluid ravine]

based off of standoff placements

[red panther]

aw man

what does this mean

[fluid ravine]

"Use for DIY Gk61X 61XS GK64X 64XS" Are the type of PCBs that are compatible

[red panther]

ohh i see

[fluid ravine]

Wooting is only compatible with GH60, DZ60, and Pok3r

[red panther]

alrr thanks

[idle flint]

One more question. Is there anything way to reduce the spacebar rattle? The sound itself is good but there is some small rattling in there too

[fluid ravine]

grease

or just straight up tune the switches

[idle flint]

Grease in the little black stabilizers?

[fluid ravine]

For the wire of the stabilizers

[fluid ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHb6CJc9V8 Here's a good video on how to tune stabilizers

[red panther]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001415309452.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.1.5872nDMunDMu4n&algo_pvid=c4c7b68c-3c67-47ee-a9e7-84d46b8f939c&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

it looks excatly like this tho

[idle flint]

Oh I see thank you

[fluid ravine]

yeah this one is compatible

[red panther]

but it looks exactly like the prev one thbo

what if its the same

[fluid ravine]

dunno

all i know is that the link you sent is compatible

[red panther]

hmmm

[red panther]

if i buy this and it doesent fit can i just drill the screw holoes

[fluid ravine]

kinda risky i aint gonna lie

[lean mist]

didn't a yt use a wooden case and it fell off

[fluid ravine]

Hipyo Tech?

He bought a wrong Gummy O'ring size which was why it fell out

[ebon quiver]

Ye, I tried lekkers bottom at first, but decided to sacrifice one to see how it's gonna be

[lean mist]

yuh

[lean mist]

ah

how do you know the right size

[fluid ravine]

He just straight up bought the wrong size

For friction mounting you can get the bakeneko60 Gummy O'ring or Graveshift M size O'ring

[lean mist]

but if i wanted to build with a wooden case

oh okay

[fluid ravine]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[ebon quiver]

Basically sounds like lekker with less wobble, but it's too easy to mar the inside surface when drilling which leads to scratchiness

Maybe you could do it well with an appropriately sized reamer, but then again might as well just use v2s

[lean mist]

wealth of knowledge

[vague stag]

Do you use switch plate foam? Wondering whether removing the foam could make the geons sound more deep?

[random loom]

Right ok

[kind helm]

i see little marks on the pcb most likely due to me being a dumb ass and screwing in things too tightly, is it possible to order platemount pcb or send back the current one for a discount or something . The pcb is somewhat damaged but completely usable. i feel like it would be a waste of money and material if i just discard my current one and buy a new 60he with case, switch, and keycaps that I don't need...

[kind helm]

just because i kinda worry about the its durability long term. and i prefer the plate mount version over the screw in stab version

otherwise i probably just get the 60module later on

[calm pulsar]

just install plate mount stabs then

[kind helm]

wait yea i am a dumb ass

it would just be extra hole on the module that i dont use

🤡 mb

[calm pulsar]

yup, and as for marks, not sure how prominent they are but I think I've had some micro scratches for a long time on my original 60he and it was fine

[kind helm]

good to know, thank you sir

i used to work with gasket mount keeb mostly so never had marks on pcb before. i was working under the flash light earlier tonight and that was how i noticed the mark, scared me😭

yee probably just gonna buy one later this year, it would actually be nice since i got 2 different cases now, i can have use the tofu60 with this slightly damaged one then put the module on my current case. thanks a lot for the information :3

[viral vine]

would there be any he switches that sound similar to akko wine reds

[austere creek]

as far as i know switches themselves arent a good measurement of sound as it depends on the final build what a keyboard will sound like

[viral vine]

true

i had a monsgeek m1 kit and stock wine reds and i loved the sound of it

rn i have a base 60he module in a tofu redux

im planning on getting new switches since i dont like these sticky rices

[dusty pebble]

Is there any reason why someone would still want magnetic switches with an open botton? I dont see the benefits. It would be alot of work to relube the switches and clean the PCB after a while.

[vague stag]

Anyone that has tried to tape mod the bottom of their aluminum case that can say whether that isolates the hollowness of the case? This in addition to the case foam. Thinking that I could tape all the sides and other parts where the aluminum is visible

[ebon quiver]

full travel distance would be one of the reasons

sound probably being the other if you're looking for something more silent

[left depot]

for the NA peeps who want cute mouse/deskmats https://starmintart.com/collections/enamel-pins-and-accessories

[uneven cradle]

How's the hunt for those tamagotchi keycaps

[left depot]

our father has ordered them for me

[uneven cradle]

What a guy

[safe stag]

I'll do this with a jade max for the science

to see if they can be even shittier

[left depot]

feel like EU artists are harder to find yeah but they are out there

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-binoculars-gif-10150805

[flat cobalt]

did you change your name

[paper bloom]

Yes he did

[left depot]

make it spooky

[flat cobalt]

[dull sequoia]

I hate the extremely limited amount of ISO-DE keycaps 😭 Every time I find something nice it is either ANSI or ISO but US

Not even providing additional Y and Z keys 😢

[left depot]

In case someone is looking for Geon Raws in EU/UK
https://prototypist.net/products/in-stock-geon-he-raw-switches-10-pack

[dapper obsidian]

Has any1 tested out Jade max's already?

[dapper obsidian]

Ich kann dir Teleport und PBTFans empfehlen

PBTFans hat aber den Nachteil das du immer ein ISO DE Kit dazu bestellen musst. 🙂

[left depot]

english bitte

[dapper obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920444153182175273/1196794056353783848/catSigh.gif

[dapper obsidian]

so aynway. Who has tried Jade Max's?

I get that RAW HEs are FOTM but I mean there is more switches out there

[flat cobalt]

@dapper obsidian

[dapper obsidian]

@safe stag was there lube involved?

[calm pulsar]

I'd say go for jade pros then if you want jade sound
raws are also closed bottom but a but different sound due to how it is structured

but jade maxes seem to be a bit unlucky, some people reported that they are not very smooth

[dapper obsidian]

hmmm

I sadly do not have a HE Board yet but today I put a lekker v1 from a colleague and a Jade Pro I got as a free sample on IFA Berlin in my Q1 Pro and well....Jade Pros are quite high pitched

[glacial wind]

jade max are a different sound because the material is different

[dapper obsidian]

Lekkers were damn deep compared to them

[calm pulsar]

lekkers and any of the closed bottom switches feel entirely different, so you just have to see for yourself

its not just the sound

[glacial wind]

there's a 3 switch soundtest comparison between raw he, jade max and jade pro btw in the keyboard pins of mousereview discord (i see you're in that discord too)

[dapper obsidian]

I am there, too

[glacial wind]

i'm confused though - are you looking for switches for an upcoming purchase or something?

since q1 pro won't work with HE switches

[dapper obsidian]

its for me 80HE

I bring my Q1 Pro to work tho so I could test it on the spot.

But damn those sound tests hurt...

like in general...that Keyboard needs major work he used

[glacial wind]

sounds fine to me. I'm pretty sure he's on a heavily modded keyboard already lol

that's just how all HE switches sound - particularly the jade and raw he

[dapper obsidian]

idk maybe Discord on PC with Airpods its messed

no idea

but I mainly meant the crazy hollowness and pingyness

[calm pulsar]

HE boards are very different
there is no big switch pin that goes through pcb like on MX

so the stem just hits the pcb with a thud, if that makes sense

[dull sequoia]

From what I have seen I would be careful with Jade Pro if you use RGB at all.

[glacial wind]

yeah if you're expecting MX sound from a HE board you will not find it

just give up now

[dapper obsidian]

yeah well I know that

I know I will lose a bit of my custom privilige sound profile

but thats just horrible stab tuning he has on that board

[dull sequoia]

So normal Jades, Jade Max or RAW would be my pick for a new board

[dapper obsidian]

it really hurts when he hits space

[glacial wind]

if you're familiar with customs then basically the best HE options are all just clacky switches of some variety

[dapper obsidian]

well my Q1 Pro is also clacky

not too big of a thocky kinda guy

[calm pulsar]

if rgb is not an issue it would be weird to go for normal jades, since their tolerances are simply worse

[dull sequoia]

True

[dapper obsidian]

Is it it even clacky what I have? I actually do not know...maybe you can tell me if you want

[glacial wind]

then you'll like jade pro or raw he - those are the top 2 recommendations right now probably, with raw he being more recommended because they're half the price of jade pro

[dull sequoia]

But I hate the green color in anything you set :/

[dapper obsidian]

Yeah clacky

[dull sequoia]

Tbh I have no issues with my Jades whatsoever currently

[calm pulsar]

@dapper obsidian my wooting with geon raw he

[dapper obsidian]

not sure if the green bottom housing should be an issue honestly

the RGB Window is clear

[dull sequoia]

No

[calm pulsar]

on pros upper housing is dyed

[dapper obsidian]

Oh Pros, yeah

[dull sequoia]

The pro top housing is too green

[dapper obsidian]

btw Pros: is there a QR Code on Production ones, too?

My Samples do have a QR Code and well marketing pictures kinda..dont?

[dapper obsidian]

well see, those stabs are fine

still a bit hollow but atleast not giga pingy

Have you heard the samples from the mouse discord?

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think this is due to the alu plate that I have in the frog mini
also no case foam

need some more plate materials

[dapper obsidian]

Spacebar Foam is probably more effective in that

no need to foam a whole board if your Spacebar is the problem and you are otherwise fine with your current sound design

[calm pulsar]

yeah I was thinking of that but the gmk spacebar doesnt fit the kbdfans spacebar foam so I didnt bother cutting it lol

[dull sequoia]

I asked a Youtuber (MikeyTypes) to test all switches on a single spot and also show the RGB and he did. The color difference is quite big tbh

[calm pulsar]

nope, could you link it? im not in that disc

[glacial wind]

it's just sound boosted

pamysia is hearing more ping etc because the sample is boosted to make everything louder

[calm pulsar]

yeah I found the samples
what board is that?

[glacial wind]

honestly i think it's just his earphones though because the samples sound fine to me and i'm pretty sure the guy doing the sample has a heavily modded board already

[calm pulsar]

non wooting?

[glacial wind]

iirc it's 60he case swapped and modded

frog mini or similar iirc

[dapper obsidian]

idk if it is my Headphones

other audio on Discord sounds fine to me

[calm pulsar]

yeah I wouldnt say its super hollow or something

there's background noise but I'm trying to make out the pure keyboard sound and it seems fine to me

I got open back reference headphones so maybe its easier to distiguish on mine

also yeah the audio is boosted so irl it is likely not as loud

[fluid ravine]

Yes!!

[calm pulsar]

my jade maxes arrived to the post office but im also waiting for a ton of geon stuff so I can grab it all at once

@fluid ravine hey! what was your conclusion on lubing raw he? I remember you recommended not lubing them but after some time I think you said they're better lubed?

cause I feel like there is a little bit of lube missing on the very initial part of the keystroke, like it's not 100% smooth in the beginning

considering lubing them for the venom build

but also don't want to do unnecessary work lol

[flat cobalt]

Sneaky

[celest parrot]

Will you guys add poron foam or PE foam to your 80HEs?

[hollow parrot]

wonder if this is by design? mine are not installed yet but took one out of the packet and could feel what you were talking about. do they feel better to type with after removing the lube there?

[ebon quiver]

as far as i understood the lube is there to dampen the return stroke, when stem hits the housing

i've only removed lube from a few of them as a test so no experience with a full board or typing

[hollow parrot]

fair enough, alot of effort for testing it if doing a full board 😅

[ebon quiver]

i plan on doing it, but probably next week as i need to order lube and the new switch puller haven't arrived yet

[hollow parrot]

[vague stag]

Be careful when using the wooting (standard) switch opener with Geon Raws - I ruined one or two switches with that one before realizing

It works fine if you open it half way and then fiddle it open with your fingers - but do not put too much force

[vague stag]

I tested both, unlubed and lubed. Personally, I really think they sound much better lubed. However, I am wondering if they would feel a bit smoother with the Super Lube instead of the krytox

[calm pulsar]

I see, I will lube them then

[vague stag]

Might be my lubing, but some switches feel like they are a little sticky given the tight fit of the stem

Hence, superlube is prolly a better lubricant for the switches (just my thoughts)

[calm pulsar]

lube sets in in time so I don't think super lube is necesary, but yeah it can be sticky initially

[fluid ravine]

Honestly after lubing and taking the "less is more" more seriously, there wasn't a big difference in sound after lubing them. Overtime it breaks in and will sound the same stock. Terms of smoothness I find it a bit better.

[calm pulsar]

I see I see, I will lube em for the sake of smoothness then

after I test jade maximus

[fluid ravine]

👍

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hello-cat-peek-cat-door-cat-peek-door-gif-17361470248875227911

[calm pulsar]

not hiding behind those clear housings

[tropic urchin]

Lubing last night drove me semi crazy until I realize the stem has to align in a very specific way or it gets stuck

Overall not as bad as I thought it was gonna be

[calm pulsar]

yeah its how it is on gateron switches
geon suspects they will do clickies/tactiles using that pertruiding part

[outer granite]

Hello, does anyone know if harvesting Flaretech Red switches from Gigabyte Aorus K9 (or another Flaretech keyboard?) and putting them into Wooting One/Two works properly?

[austere creek]

not properly

theres also only the aorus k9

and they used the flaretech type a switches

so no analog values just on or off

i only know of the aorus k9

never seen a third brand use it

according to google the 1 uses mx brown

cant even find if they are flaretechs

wooting
akko ducky
aorus k9```

and the celeritas 2 then

[cedar gate]

Not a good idea

Those are non he switches

Incompatible with a hall effect board

[austere creek]

so the one thing i dont know is if you can convert the type A into type B

[austere creek]

my man read the message you replied to thanks

[cedar gate]

Did I say something wrong?

Flaretechs are opticals no?

[austere creek]

yes and they specifically asked to harvest them to put them into a wootine one or two

both are optical boards of ours

[cedar gate]

FR

I didn't even know wooting made optical lol that's cool

[austere creek]

they prob due as you can cleanly switch the IR from 0 to 100

[cedar gate]

Then idk Tony will probably be able to answer your questions better than me lol

[austere creek]

that would be type B analog

thats our range

na im trying to see if i can get one of those or more on ebay for cheap

ye ive been wondering anyway how different a and b are for the flaretechs

[calm pulsar]

@tropic urchin the most intact package from aliexpress

got scared for a sec they sent me the pros

[cedar gate]

LOL must have ran out of packaging

[cedar gate]

This is why I don't buy anything of ali I'd rather overpay on Amazon or smth else

[calm pulsar]

well tbf im exaggerating a bit cause I never had actual damaged goods, just bent boxes

[inland saddle]

Mine for some reason always arrive early and in perfect condition idk what they do I never had a package arrive early except from them

[kindred sphinx]

they throw the box out of the window or something💀

[tropic urchin]

That checks out

@calm pulsar

[calm pulsar]

lmaoo this looks comical

[tropic urchin]

It DID come with bubble wrap so

Even Gateron doesn’t trust US shipping and handling

[calm pulsar]

they feel kinda nice in hand already

[tropic urchin]

I liked their click stock then I lubed them and it’s actually a crazy difference irl that doesn’t show up on tests

[agile grove]

this is making me reconsider wanting to buy zero reds from ali

[tropic urchin]

I might’ve overlubed a couple but nothing some natural wear and tear won’t evenly spread out eventually

It sounds a little brighter but I might be losing my mind

[cosmic marsh]

Are Gateron jade work on Wooting 2he?

[calm pulsar]

its all right, my gf got me a ninjutso sora v2 from ali and its all good

they have returns just like everywhere else

[agile grove]

how does something like this even happen

[calm pulsar]

the switch box is smaller than package box

[agile grove]

yeah I figured, it’ll probably be fine. the packaging of the zero reds would make it pretty hard for them to get damaged in shipping.

[agile grove]

must be paper thin cardboard then lmao

it just looks so goofy

[calm pulsar]

yeah lol

[tropic urchin]

US shipping and handling is what happened

[agile grove]

😔

[tropic urchin]

It went thru 6 different fulfillment centers/DCs that were 45 mins away from my house for 3 days

So I’m not surprised the box is beat up

No switches were harmed so all good

[agile grove]

that’s what true freedom feels like

[tropic urchin]

True freedom is not paying excessive VAT, but everything in this life has trade offs

[outer granite]

thanks for the replies, I'm not very well versed in the switch terminology, but if I follow this right, if I tried to use these Aorus switches, then the analog functionality wouldn't work (which is not a big deal for my current use), and whether or not the rest (the digital part) would work remains uncertain? :( For context, I'm trying to give my Wooting One another life with new switches, but getting the Flaretech switches separately seems next to impossible these days :/ So now I'm wondering about swapping from other Flaretech keyboards as an alternative path. I've also looked at Zowie Celeritas, tho that model seems far less available than Aorus

[austere creek]

if you look for the celeritas make sure its the 2

not the 1

and not the pro

zowie celeritas 2
akko ducky (dont know which exactly)
gigabyte aorus k9```

thats the other boards. the cidoo might be a good try as well

https://cidootech.com/products/cidoo-cd502s-flaretech?variant=44229475926306

seems to even still be sold

the 1 negative review wouldnt really affect you in this case as keyboard color and the keeb being damaged would be of no issue

[outer granite]

fair enough, yh I've had the 2 in mind, so just to clarify, are the switches from these keyboards likely to work (minus analog)? You've mentioned something about types A and B and range before

[austere creek]

they should still work

[cedar gate]

yes

[cosmic marsh]

Thx

[cedar gate]

gatreon jades are a bit overpriced tho i would consider looking into what i think is a better sounding and feeling switch the geon raws

[cedar gate]

how are you liking the sora i heard its a great mouse how does it compare to something like gpx

[cosmic marsh]

I have odered them now, but its ok.
I have Nuphy Field 75 He too and i Like the switches

[cedar gate]

jades are still a great switch tho

[calm pulsar]

I had a viper ultimate and viper v2 pro before and I claw grip, so sora v2 was an insanely welcome change, the back bump is much better for my grip

[cedar gate]

yeah i swiched from v2 to v3 pro and it was much more comfortable

[calm pulsar]

quality wise seems perfectly fine, and the clicks sound better than viper v2

[cedar gate]

also nice catch lol get you someone that buys you mice

[calm pulsar]

the weight is also very good

[calm pulsar]

haha yeah

[cedar gate]

i would have gotten it if it was bigger but the 53g v3 pro is working for me rn

[cosmic marsh]

And an Lamzu Thorne

[cedar gate]

i prefer the atlantis but thorne is cool'

[calm pulsar]

totally fair
for my small hand sora feels nice

[cedar gate]

yeah smaller hands are actually better for competetive video games

[ionic oar]

Cidoos software is pretty bad from what I've heard

[cedar gate]

most keyboard software is pretty badd

wootility is awesome tho its probably the best software i have ever used

[ionic oar]

Yeah that's the reason I'm getting another wooting it's very good

Oh I didn't read that part my bad lol

That's a good idea though

[calm pulsar]

GEON RAW HE vs Gateron Jade Max comparison on Y U K keys:

[ionic oar]

Oo the first one is nice

[calm pulsar]

@tropic urchin @fluid ravine curious for your thoughts (if the test is even good lol)

@glacial wind and yours

[tropic urchin]

The right is the stock Max I take it?

[calm pulsar]

yes

[glacial wind]

Looks fine to me

[tropic urchin]

I think it sounds pretty close to a few other STs for stock, I only have 1 key I can use for mine but I’ll try sending one of my lubed units

On the geon opener

[glacial wind]

You can definitely tell the right is max from the slightly more muted sound

[calm pulsar]

yeah I feel like the fully closed bottom gives it a bit more compressed sound, if that is a good word for it

[glacial wind]

I think it’s just the material. They changed the plastic so that see through plastic just sounds like that

[tropic urchin]

When I lubed mine it took away some of the mechanical noise and made it sound slightly more creamy/brighter in tone which seems strange

[calm pulsar]

I also noticed if I spam raws really hard the sound is naturally louder

but with jades they stay fairly muted as I hit keys harder

[glacial wind]

I want to see someone try ttc Uranus esports to see if they sound as bad as every video I’ve seen lol

[tropic urchin]

TTC is not a vibe

[glacial wind]

overall been super unimpressed with the whole box stem wave of HE. They all sound awful and while they’re tiny bit more stable they’re also easier to feel scratchy and less smooth due to the box stem

[tropic urchin]

Amen 🙏🏻

[glacial wind]

Seems they only got popular because the Chinese testers test bottom out stability by wiggling it around at bottom out - which box stem excels at, but it means nothing all that useful towards actual usage vs a raw he or jade pro

[calm pulsar]

btw just did a little wobble test and raws seem to be winning by a long shot

[stray tiger]

I've probably owned 20+ different box switches over the years and maybe really liked a few of them

[calm pulsar]

well maybe not by “a long shot”

but raws are just super nice in everything

[glacial wind]

Yeah raw he is impressively low wobble for a non box stem. They’re only barely more wobble than the box stem he while being much smoother and sounding nicer

[calm pulsar]

yeah seems like better tolerances are a better solution compared to boxed stems

raws seem to not wobble left and right at all, while jade max does

however jade max are still way better than normal jades imo, which shouldn’t be surprising

[stray tiger]

One of my favorite box stems, made by a rl friend of mine who knows their stuff - https://www.cbkbd.com/product/trash-linear-switches

[kindred sphinx]

they look fire ngl

[tropic urchin]

Raw Jade mix looks kinda cool

[calm pulsar]

yeah they look nice

hotswapping the whole board rn to get a feel

[kindred sphinx]

whats a good website to sell switches?

i have Lumia Matcha V3 switches but dont use them

[tropic urchin]

Have you tried putting any 205 on the maxes

Once I go on lunch imma send over some of mine

Gonna be scuffed but all I have is my geon single key ‘keyboard’

[calm pulsar]

not yet, I’m thinking to try them out in stock

and if I like how they feel I might lube them and install geon pingless springs, whole 9 yards

cause honestly they felt nice when I was trying to spam multiple keys

[viral vine]

what are the rest of ur kbs specs

[calm pulsar]

maybe I miss that jade bottom out lol

[calm pulsar]

frog mini, alu plate
poron plate foam, no case foam

[tropic urchin]

Mikeytypes said they were good stock, I couldn’t hear a difference between his tests, but the feel is

[viral vine]

tofu redux without the brass weight feels like plastic lmfao

[calm pulsar]

you probably mean the brass weight but yeah this case is better with it

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar this is stock

[viral vine]

i js installed mine after not having it for 3 days

[tropic urchin]

Lubed

[calm pulsar]

yeah its slightly cleaner cause factory lube isnt perfect, but still very good on most switches these days

[exotic venture]

Is the only real difference in the switch the sound? I’m debating between the Lekker v2 and raws, and I think I want the v2’s because they have a much deeper sound

[tropic urchin]

i ended up going more for bottom/stem/spring lube with light on upper if at all

[rough stratus]

Hey all, I got a question about swapping springs in an HE switch.

If I wanted to buy the 100 g spring pack. Do I need anything besides a tool to separate the switches? Is lube required And if so, what lube does everyone recommend for lekkers?

Or is there an already assembled 100 g HE switch that I could buy?

[thorn zealot]

What switch are these

The new jades?

[thorn grove]

yea the clear ones are jade max

[calm pulsar]

yup jade max

@tropic urchin damn the rgb on my shinethrough capslock is so brighter now even though the led is on north side lol

[tropic urchin]

Pics

[thorn grove]

is it too late to ask for a shinethrough brightness difference of stock to jade max?

[calm pulsar]

older pic

but you can see how it kinda doesnt fill the whole window with light on second pic

\\

[tropic urchin]

Max is going to make my Lazurite fire for RGB color

[calm pulsar]

posted my older pic when I had another switch in that spot

on jade max it fills the rgb window pretty much completely when you look at it irl, while with other switches that I had it was kinda not as bright

never thought I'd say this but jade maxes feel very nice when typing

a bit more "plasticky" compared to raws or normal jades, but not in a bad way, just a different feel due to the different materials used

@safe stag and honestly I don't feel any resistance when pressing the keys

I felt more resistance when installing keycaps on the PC stem compared to usual POM, that's for sure

[tropic urchin]

#Convert 👀

[calm pulsar]

well raws are still very unique due to that semi closed bottom design, they have a bit different bottom out feel, but maybe it's more noticeable for me on frog mini

I will say that the price on jade maxes is still dumb lol, but they feel way cleaner that normal jades

also I can still hear the springs on jade maxes, so I recommend lubing them or getting geon pingless springs

[tropic urchin]

Price + keycap stem situation doesn’t help for sure

[tropic urchin]

I think I’m 40% done lubing

[thorn grove]

Do you use a "lube station"?

[tropic urchin]

Very scuffed but here’s my ‘station’

[chilly mural]

looks fine

[finite carbon]

Do i need to separate the plate from pcb to install screw in stabilisers?

[thorn grove]

I haven't opened switches yet, but I imagine it's pretty tedious, has anyone tried one of these guys compared to a normal switch opener?

205g0
edit: that's the switch lube, 105 is the oil which is ideal for springs.

[finite carbon]

Any video guide?

[thorn grove]

no? Wooting has the krytox 205g0 switch lube on their product page. Is that not what they use?

oh I see, you are referring to the oil lubricant. I'm dumb

[calm pulsar]

Sound test on a Fifine mic:

Gateron Jade Max
Frog Mini case, no case foam
Aluminum plate, poron plate foam

[barren wasp]

Has anyone heard a sound test of everglades new sticky rice v2 or pudding he switches?

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar my work is almost done

Now I just needa get those stabs

[calm pulsar]

it's nice to do it in preparation so you can just build the board and enjoy it

tho you probably need to lube the stabs before building the board

but it doesnt take long

[mint burrow]

are black knights or lekkar v2 more deeper sounding? tryna decide on a switch

[glacial wind]

Just get lekker v2

Difference between the two is minimal

[tropic urchin]

Yeah that was my plan, the stabs scare me a little bit, but just gotta pull the bandaid off

[glacial wind]

There’s a sound test on wootings channel if you want to compare

[tropic urchin]

Gotta go for the custom look

[glacial wind]

Stabs you kind of have to wait for the keyboard to tune them unless you have a stab tester or spare pcb

Unless you want to just lube them and not test it until keyboard arrives

[tropic urchin]

It was the clear swag Knight V2s right

[calm pulsar]

Bigsly would be like "what?" lol
but I agree they are all open bottom switches

[calm pulsar]

you're asking abt which stabs I ordered?

[bleak crystal]

I feel like the sticky rice and the leeker v2 sound the same

[tropic urchin]

The clear ones with the gold wire I believe right

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think I have these on order

[bleak crystal]

And what’s the closest thing to a creamy switch sound on an hollow effect switch?🤔

[snow gull]

Hi, what would be a best detection range of a hall sensor to use in DIY project for lekker switches?

[glossy pagoda]

If your project uses 8 or fewer sensors, we suggest something similar to this:
https://www.allegromicro.com/en/products/sense/linear-and-angular-position/linear-position-sensor-ics/a1454

If you're using more than 8, better to use this one:
https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/drv5053.pdf

If more than 16, you'll want to add a multiplexer
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/texas-instruments/CD74HC4067SM96/390310

Sharing those links and making those statements is quite literally all I know about it so if you have follow up questions you'll need to make a post in #1019755933959733258

[snow gull]

Thank you

[glossy pagoda]

Sure thing 🙂

[jade storm]

@stone flax

[cedar gate]

creamy isnt a thing in he at all lol maybe a mild thock would be the closest thing

[snow gull]

Do you know what is a exact range of magnetic flux form l45?

Or estimate

[glossy pagoda]

I do not

[cedar gate]

What do you even need that for lol you starting your own line of switches

[snow gull]

Im doing my bachelors and my topic is a analog keyboard, it is based on lekker l45 and I need that info to use a correct hall effect sensor

[stone flax]

???? because flux ranges matter for making sure it works on given pcb’s and sensors😭😭

big bro what?

[snow gull]

If I use sensor that sensing range Is diffrent then the magnetic flux of switch It wont sense anything

[stone flax]

nah bro the thockcousing is king

[cedar gate]

That's really cool 👍👍

[cedar gate]

There are simpler ways to determine that tho

[cedar gate]

Thank you? You can call me dan btw

[stone flax]

[stone flax]

[celest parrot]

My raws and knights v2 will arrive tomorrow 🔥

I hope I don't miss up anything with my incompetence in lubing

[uneven cradle]

It's not hard to lube knights

[celest parrot]

First time tho

[uneven cradle]

Lil bit of 205g0 good to go

[celest parrot]

Ima put some 205g0 on the stem and on the housing and on the wire

I'm generally scared of the raws lubing

[uneven cradle]

They don't really need lubing apart from the springs really

[celest parrot]

Good to know

You sir might saved me several hours

[uneven cradle]

Even then I think many people skip that with no issues

I would try them stock and see how they are first for sure

[celest parrot]

I already spend a lot of money on the lubing kit

[uneven cradle]

Well it'll come in handy for the stabilizers and that stuff lasts forever

[tropic urchin]

Worst case you have it for later

[celest parrot]

Yeah I agree

Might lube the lekkers and use them

I still think thier sound is the best

[calm pulsar]

@stone flax how you liking that

[tawdry tree]

Have you looked for a Wooting One second hand already?

There are a few for sale near me. They aren’t that cheap though. 😂

[tropic urchin]

“WHY NO RAW ”

[subtle sluice]

are the geon raw HEs compatible with wooting 60HE? I already ordered so… main thing is that they travel 3.4mm instead of 4 so i wonder how that’ll effect the software

[chilly mural]

Thank you for your contribution to the Church of Geon! It's compatible but iirc you have to do 3.4/4.0 multiplied by the distance you want the key to actuate.

Then you got the value to put on wootility

They do planned to add a way to make it calculate for you by the software, but that's later.

[stone flax]

current wootility is a scale

4.0 in wootility is just 100% of the press, which irl on the raws would be 3.4

can solve for the actual distance u want by just converting

switch selector down the line would most likely take care of this

[safe stag]

With my french English accent

and the feeling is even worse when I put keycaps on

[calm pulsar]

I get it, but I've been playing for the past couple of hours on them and never noticed that
I really have to go out of my way to press the keys like that

not sure how you even press like that with keycaps on

[tropic urchin]

You’d almost have to have your finger pressing it like a backwards slash \

[kind olive]

Do you guys use the standoffs for the tofu redux and the screw that comes with it?

[subtle sluice]

thanks, it would be nice if they add a key depth modifier in a later update

[cedar gate]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

All Gateron’s Dual Rail switches have friction when pressing on the far left/right. It’s not really an issue but can be annoying. Lubing the rails and the bottom housing helps for a short time only.

[safe stag]

I can confirm "for a short time only"
My z and e key were the most affected

after 3 weeks it's back at original state

[safe stag]

so jades pro have the same issue ?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, I really don’t understand why Gateron is keeping the Dual Rail shit alive.

[calm pulsar]

jade pro arent dual rail

[tawdry tree]

Jade Pros aren’t Dual Rail switches.

[safe stag]

wait, I thought they were dual rail
so what's the difference between og and pro ?

exept the price

[calm pulsar]

the price is the same, but older jades are discounted heavily
other than that the spring and better tolerances are the differences

[safe stag]

so upgrading is worthless for me

also if I upgrade I'll get a greenish rgb

[calm pulsar]

should've just upgraded to raws

[safe stag]

stop with raws, I prefer my clacky majong sound

I know everyone like them

[tropic urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834

[safe stag]

https://tenor.com/view/preference-glarses-mx-brown-cherry-mx-brown-keyboard-gif-21044520

[tropic urchin]

Gotta have some Jade Cultists to offset the RAW energy

[safe stag]

lol we are 2

[tropic urchin]

So it seems

somebodys gotta right

[calm pulsar]

I will be honest, im starting to shift back to liking the jade bottom out feel more than on raws

[safe stag]

that clacky sound

they sound better irl

[calm pulsar]

I still have the recording of my normal jades with the replaced upper housing

[safe stag]

with which upper housing ?

[tropic urchin]

I watched those videos too, I member

[calm pulsar]

black knights

[safe stag]

I think my favorite sound is neo lavender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glbUIxIfTK0

[tropic urchin]

my stem bounced into my lap and i stuck my middle finger in lube, hate my life rn D:

[calm pulsar]

I think I'm digging the jade maxes sound simply cause they use new materials which I havent experienced before

[safe stag]

the sound is not bad, not my favorite still

[calm pulsar]

lol when I got a stem holder the whole process became better

[tropic urchin]

Im using a geon stem holder, but it was when i was tryna put it all back together towards the end where you put on the top housing

the spring is crazy

[calm pulsar]

lol yeah I just disassembled a jade max and it's long af

[safe stag]

the fact that all parts are transparent makes them hard to rebuilt after lubing

[calm pulsar]

@safe stag you could try using the jade max spring with your normal jades, maybe the feel is better this way

[tropic urchin]

I didnt have a problem with it being transparent, but the stem has to go in a very specific way or it locks up on you that I had trouble with until I realized I was being smooth brained

[safe stag]

I don't complain about the feel of my og jades, and I prefer lighter switches since I play adofai I every g is a endurance loss

[tropic urchin]

everything else was easy once you match the north facing LED cutout area with each other

[calm pulsar]

yeah ever since lekker v1s gateron was making the stems this way

only geon raw he and some boxed stems seem to not have extra notches

[kind olive]

thank u

[safe stag]

also, I saw a picture about gateron box magnetic jades

[tropic urchin]

not the worst experience of all time, but kinda jarring until you do 10 of em and realize the error of your ways

[tropic urchin]

those looked so bad ;_;

pls no Jade Magnetos

[fluid ravine]

@calm pulsar

[calm pulsar]

jade gaming lol

[safe stag]

why not

[fluid ravine]

You pinged me?

Just got home from school

[calm pulsar]

yeah I did a lil sound test of jade maxes, also uploaded some comparisons with raws

[fluid ravine]

O can you send it to me again

[safe stag]

yes I want it too please

[calm pulsar]

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@fluid ravine @safe stag

[safe stag]

thanks

[fluid ravine]

Good improvment on the top out

bottom out pitch are slightly different between the two

[calm pulsar]

here's raws and maxes for a comparison, but these are not scientifically identical tests, mic might be slightly in a diff position

[fluid ravine]

yeah i was right

The RAW's bottom out pitch is slightly higher

a bit more lively

[cedar gate]

im liking raws better

[fluid ravine]

Max is still good

a good improvement from the original jades but still expensive

[cedar gate]

max is a little too subtle

[calm pulsar]

yeah maxes seem to be a bit more muted on bottom out but still clear on top out

[fluid ravine]

yeah

[safe stag]

I prefer raws

[fluid ravine]

I'm kinda unfortunate with how my raws sound rn, top out a bit sharp

[safe stag]

like raws are jades max, but they assume their sound

[fluid ravine]

not like it's chattering but it doesn't sound as soft as it usually would

[calm pulsar]

could be springs?

[fluid ravine]

could be

i haven't looked into it

I hope it is

Cus again my top housings are already lubed

esp the alphas

[tropic urchin]

I definitely fucked up this one switch with too much lube oh thats gnarly sounding

[fluid ravine]

And some of the lube from the top stem railings mightve transfered to the top housing anyways

[tender raft]

Satisfying sound with every keystroke? Are there any windows app that allows you upload sound bites for every keypress? Kind of like this alarm clock https://youtu.be/dMqWTkgDt6A?si=6RYXpP2Dm7Xfjr64

[calm pulsar]

I think jade pros and maxes might be onto something with the longer springs
they are still light like usual but the top out is snappier which I like

[fluid ravine]

yeah i need myself longer springs or dual staged

[calm pulsar]

but geon springs are very good in terms of sound too, another dilemma😭

[fluid ravine]

yeah

i might have to redo some of my springs

i have a really good feeling about what you said @calm pulsar

Pressing each key lightly with control, the top out sounds fine

[vague stag]

can't send the video I did of my modded keyboard with geon raws the size is too big. wanted your input on the sound profile

[fluid ravine]

but yeah just straight up typing normally it really sounds like my springs are unevenly lubed or wtv

i might've done something wrong during my bag lubing process

rookie mistakes chat, I aint the best at everything

[calm pulsar]

yeah I think you gotta be careful with springs

[fluid ravine]

fo sho

[calm pulsar]

lowkey I think my raws sound better with jade max spring

cause I might've overlubed my geon springs

[fluid ravine]

im curious

[calm pulsar]

(which arent even supposed to be lubed lmao)

[fluid ravine]

That snappy feel of switches feels so nice to me

iirc the akko v3 cream yellow i had, had long springs

they felt nice with the returning keystroke

if it was a bit heavier i wouldve liked it more

oh well ig i just gotta wait

[calm pulsar]

I remembered I have some springs from aliexpress which are dual stage and 22mm fricking long lol

[fluid ravine]

dah damn

"dah" 💀

[tropic urchin]

whats a good way to unlube a switch, im low key about to throw away this one that I lubed to hell and back

[calm pulsar]

you could try to just remove some with a brush

[fluid ravine]

i straight up use tweezer and paper

[tropic urchin]

I might need to put some iso on my brush when Im done maybe

[fluid ravine]

i use to have this pointy ass swap that did crazy work for me back then

i really need a whole closet of it

[calm pulsar]

so I tried these (one the left) and they feel kinda low quality

not sure if its cause they are dual stage or that they ahve less coils, but I'd probably get long one stage springs

these from aliexpress seem interesting and a lot of different weights
they might be similar to jade max springs which sound better imo

[cosmic marsh]

Isopropanol

[tropic urchin]

Yeah Im thinking I gotta wipe it with a lil bit, I went too hard on the stem 😅

[cosmic marsh]

First pure Without iso and the maybe with iso

[tropic urchin]

W strat

It is useable again 🙂

I used a little bit of an alcohol wipe and it now longer sounds like its stuck in the mud

[kind olive]

my tofu 60 redux 60he build ❤️

[tropic urchin]

I dig the summer vibe

looks great

[polar girder]

Yo what’s this

Max Spring?

[tropic urchin]

gold is

[polar girder]

AE two stage?

[calm pulsar]

yeah on the right

[tropic urchin]

left i believe is what he linked below

[polar girder]

Thoughts??

[calm pulsar]

AE two stage is kinda trash

[polar girder]

Oh fk

I’m garbage

Need HE Geon pingless??

[calm pulsar]

loving the longer jade max spring

[tropic urchin]

@calm pulsar how does the max spring feel compared to other HE switches

[polar girder]

Dang

[tropic urchin]

to me who has no other feel, it feels crazy

very responsive to an extreme degree

[polar girder]

Guess I have to buy the jade max and harvest springs for BK switches

[calm pulsar]

I have a new dilemma now
cause geon pingless sound nice and silent and jade max seem nicer for the feeling

[calm pulsar]

try AE 22mm one stage springs first I would say, cause they seem better than the 2stage ones in terms of quality

[tropic urchin]

I might have to send a request to Gateron for a jade max pingless spring

[calm pulsar]

the have a lot of coils like on jade max spring

[polar girder]

Hmm ok gotcha

Makes sense

[tropic urchin]

If I show them my discord username do you think they'd listen to me xD

[calm pulsar]

https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=Sak7rPT
change the language and you should be able to see em in US region

[polar girder]

Max is open bottom?

[calm pulsar]

nah

closed

[polar girder]

ah just clear so it tricked me

Ok ty

[tropic urchin]

optical illusion moment

[polar girder]

They have 28g

I like

[calm pulsar]

now that I think of it, jade maxes might just appear black with a black plate, just like I always wanted lol

[polar girder]

I like the jade maxes

Without having actually used them lol

[tropic urchin]

You are banned from the Geon fanclub now 😤

[polar girder]

So 22mm springs over the pingless Geon or what

[calm pulsar]

yeah they got a selection
I would probably order some a bit heavier ones, just in case 28g ones are too weak

too weak not in terms of weight

but in terms of quality

like too wobbly

[polar girder]

Fair

[calm pulsar]

lubed 22mm springs are probably the highest on my list rn after experiencing jade max springs

[untold wigeon]

28g oof. You sneeze and half your switches activate

[calm pulsar]

longer springs are nice

[untold wigeon]

@calm pulsar did you ever get the 100g springs?

[polar girder]

Rich

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder if you ever go full degen and buy switches just for the springs, keep in mind

jade pro - 22mm springs and cheaper
jade max - 20mm springs and gold coated

[hollow bridge]

anyone knows if woot uwu switches can be removed? Or they are fixed

[calm pulsar]

yeah I have the lekker 100g springs, but I never used them lol, ended up going for 70g ones at the time

[untold wigeon]

Gotta try them. Full board though. No half assed

[untold wigeon]

Hot swappable

[calm pulsar]

hmm I do have two wooting pcbs and another case

[tropic urchin]

19 more switches to go

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-work-intense-gif-1412583198801730007

[hollow bridge]

nah i think its fixed

[untold wigeon]

It’s not

[hollow bridge]

I try rlly hard to pull it out

[calm pulsar]

you need a switch puller

[hollow bridge]

yes im on a switch puller

[calm pulsar]

start pulling from the front side and then pull the other

[cedar gate]

you dont need a switch puller lol theyre just nice to have

ive pulled a few hundred switches by now and havent bought a switch puller yet

[tawdry tree]

anti switch puller and switch opener people, psychos!

[calm pulsar]

well for hotswapping its probably super hard to just use hands

[hollow bridge]

kk i pulled it out ty for replying

[rapid sedge]

flat screwdriver

hehe

[cedar gate]

i have this thing that looks kind of like a flathead that is perfect for pulling

[calm pulsar]

flat earthers lol

[fluid ravine]

NUH UH

:(

[cedar gate]

i mean if i was pulling switches regularly i would buy one but its not the biggest deal to not have one

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/saturday-night-live-maya-rudolph-snl-the-horror-horrified-gif-4550434

[cedar gate]

see? he gets it

[rapid sedge]

it works just gotta be careful lmaooo

[fluid ravine]

[cedar gate]

didnt you used to be woothelp did they demote you

[rapid sedge]

I have my klein flat that i used for my switches for a bit it was risky

[untold wigeon]

Not him. He’s not special enough

[tawdry tree]

demoted for helping too much? 💀

[calm pulsar]

it's Thackson lol

[cedar gate]

idk they turned me down

[cedar gate]

ik

[calm pulsar]

oh rly? maybe enough ppl already?

[untold wigeon]

I didn’t ask because I didn’t want to be turned down

[cedar gate]

IDEK why they didnt give me a reason

[calm pulsar]

iirc Thackson never had a helper role, but he is active and helpful on the server

[tawdry tree]

you ask for it?

[cedar gate]

i think ive been doing pretty good

[cedar gate]

yea

[fluid ravine]

IM A KID

[cedar gate]

i thought you only had to be 18 for mod\

woothelp is anyone

[tawdry tree]

should just appoint it to those that are helpful

thack should’ve had it long ago lmao

[cedar gate]

this tbh

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-old-man-angry-fussing-gif-14535254177502660271

[fluid ravine]

I thought you had to sign a NDA form for Woothelp

while also being at the age of 18+

[tawdry tree]

for woothelp too?

for mod I can understand

[untold wigeon]

Can’t sign a legal contract unless 18

[fluid ravine]

i never had a role to begin with

[cedar gate]

BS imo but ok

[fluid ravine]

i think

[fluid ravine]

ye ye^

[cedar gate]

i turned 25 recently idk why they turned me down

[tawdry tree]

tbh, why the nda when even if you wanted to leak something, calder would’ve done it already lol

[cedar gate]

🤣

[untold wigeon]

He just a baby. I own socks older than him

[calm pulsar]

lol

[cedar gate]

i speak several languages what other qualifications do i need

[cedar gate]

i got a tshirt from 1999

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[fluid ravine]

real!!

[calm pulsar]

I recently bought a fender stratocaster that is as old as myself

[untold wigeon]

All the mods and helpers I know of have spent 1000s on keeb stuff. Maybe it’s for rich people only

[tropic urchin]

we got some ageists in chat

[cedar gate]

maybe when im a boomer it will be worth smth

[cedar gate]

honestly ive met teens smarter and more mature than me

that being said gen A is stupid

[fluid ravine]

heh i could never

[tropic urchin]

Most teenagers I've seen in public make me feel like Thockfather so Im prob the opposite

[cedar gate]

sorry if your gen a but their stupid lol

[tropic urchin]

and im only 26 lmfao

[fluid ravine]

im gen z

[untold wigeon]

I hate children and teenagers nowadays. Why I quit driving school buses

[cedar gate]

what year?

[fluid ravine]

im a 2008

[tawdry tree]

2008 is crazy

that’s a week ago

[fluid ravine]

i hate gen alphas respectfully

[tropic urchin]

early 1998

[tawdry tree]

literally

[untold wigeon]

No you’re a millennial

[tropic urchin]

Gonna be 27 in a few months and not looking forward to it

[calm pulsar]

turned 27 a month ago

[cedar gate]

mid 99

[fluid ravine]

im gonna turn 16 this dec

[cedar gate]

gen z is cool actually

[tropic urchin]

You get it lmaoo