🔧│keyboard_modding

[glacial wind]

you can just adjust to 4mm and it will be same at 3.5mm since it's just 0-100%

so just pretend you have 0-4mm switches

[neat thorn]

does this mean the 1.5mm travel distance is the same 1.5mm for every switches ?

or actuation point.

[glacial wind]

basically just ignore numbers completely if you're using non 4mm switches

just pretend the bar says 0-100% press

[neat thorn]

i understand that, but i have my actuation point set to 1.8
so after switching to the other switches it will be the same 1.8 or shorter?

[glacial wind]

it won't be 1.8mm anymore, it'll be whatever the percentage is of 3.5mm

so more than 1.8mm

[neat thorn]

Ah ok, thx for clarification!

[spark mantle]

(4/3.5)*1.8= 2.0 I think if converted in percentage, 2.0 will be 1.8 in 4mm.

[neat thorn]

actuation point at 4mm = 3,5mm(GEON Raw HE Switch)

[glacial wind]

well 3.4mm since geon raw is 3.4mm not 3.5mm like jade

[spark mantle]

thank you very much for your answer

[fluid ravine]

Morning

[ionic breach]

o/

[cunning nimbus]

Hey all I’ve been off discord for a while and curious what the HE switch meta is these days? Currently still using the Jades I ordered back in February.

[ionic breach]

the geon raws now is a fan fav

[cunning nimbus]

Oh wow haven’t heard of these until very recently. Better than Raptor’s?

[ionic breach]

very much so

[cunning nimbus]

I’ll check them out ty! 🫡

[stone flax]

Geon raw he

[shy thorn]

Does Wooting help customers build their customized modded keyboard with items chosen on the Wooting website after the purchase, or you have to do it by yourself?

[glacial wind]

you assemble yourself if it's not prebuilt. But module comes semi-assembled already in one piece, so you just have to put it into case

there's guides for how to assemble too - it's very easy

[cyan zodiac]

youtube pog

[torpid crow]

lekker v2

[marsh saffron]

Raws probably still gonna sound better

Tbh

[stone flax]

Raws

[remote cairn]

So after paying everything, raws were more expensive than Jades, 50€ for raws (price + shipping) + 30€ (customs and TAX)

[glacial wind]

Oof that tax. I guess that’s unfortunate due to specific country

[wraith widget]

Even with the discount code?

[glacial wind]

Is this an eu thing? You guys have some crazy tax

[wraith widget]

My order was €59 for 90 switches and €18 for customs

[remote cairn]

France

[wraith widget]

Yeah, our taxes are general 20% or above

[remote cairn]

yeah

[glacial wind]

That’s more tax than my whole 80he order coming to Korea lol

[wraith widget]

So I paid less than you without the code... and we are neighbours

[versed delta]

Hey there, i finished my upgrade for the OG Wooting 60he with an alumaze60 swap and the lekker v2 switches. Everything was pretty easy and i connected the keyboard with my pc. Now i got some issues because the usb-c cable won‘t fit all the way in and only the enter key works.

Did i damaged something?

[remote cairn]

switzerland or germany?

[wraith widget]

Ireland

Just water separates us 😂

And we have the same flag

Kinda

[remote cairn]

oh yeah yeah

[remote cairn]

how much did you pay for shipping?

[wraith widget]

I believe France gave Ireland it's flag

or the other way around, idk

[wraith widget]

um.....

let me check

[remote cairn]

I have no idea tbh

[glacial wind]

Might not be lined up centered with the usb hole

[wraith widget]

18.67 customs

[glacial wind]

Man you guys have some crazy fees

[wraith widget]

France gave us our flag 😅 #

So 59 converted + 18.67 duties... say 79 euro all in

[glacial wind]

at least your wooting store shipping isn’t bad so you have that going for you

[remote cairn]

I paid less shipping and less for the switches than you

[calm pulsar]

might just to to korea and buy raws and go back

[remote cairn]

but I got this lovely email today

[glacial wind]

We do get the first release geon stuff cheap lol

[wraith widget]

oh ye dhl are scamming you for sure

[glacial wind]

I think initial release of raw he here was like $30 shipped for 90 raw he in Korea

[remote cairn]

I thought I would only tax but customs have got my back

[wraith widget]

In reality you should be paying your country's sales tax (20%? ish) + maybe 5 euro admin fee

France is 20% yeah

[remote cairn]

That's what I thought, only tax which is yeah, 20%

So it would have been +10€ which is fine

but nah

[wraith widget]

DHL are charging you so much extra

Idk why

[versed delta]

It is centered

[remote cairn]

customs

[glacial wind]

And pushed up against the wall as far as it goes?

[remote cairn]

Last time I imported something that was 200€ I paid 50€ of customs/tax

[wraith widget]

Must be a french thing, they are charging you huge admin fees on the customs tax

[glacial wind]

It needs to be both centered and also when you screw it in you want to push upwards against the top of the case to make sure it’s got room for the usb cable to push in fully

[wraith widget]

Although to be fair 20% of €200 is €40 😂

[glacial wind]

Otherwise you can end up with the port being too recessed and the usb cable can’t get a good connection

[remote cairn]

this is the "explanation"

[wraith widget]

but 20% of 53 USD is... not €30

[remote cairn]

not at all

do you pay that much?

nahhh, I'd send it back

[wraith widget]

The actual tax is €9.66... they are charging you an extra €20 for some strange reason... there shouldn't really be any further charges on such a small item so I assume DHL is charging you that for just admin

[remote cairn]

I'm guessing it's cuz they felt like it

[wraith widget]

Let's round it up to 30 euros

Seems fair

[remote cairn]

I would do everything not to get delivered from DHL

[ashen karma]

i'm glad i ordered mine from divinikey ...

[elfin garnet]

Yes it's an admin fee. I'm paying for tax + that admin fee everytime I order something international

[stone elbow]

I wish i knew how to clear import duties by myself

[vast python]

is the switch compatibility sheet from #🪛│modding_faq publicly available? id like to make my own copy and sort things around

#🪛│modding_faq message

[ashen karma]

you can't, you need a license

[stone elbow]

We have the right to self clear in canada apparently

[glossy pagoda]

You shouldn't share tracking numbers

[wraith widget]

you can get a breakdown of the charges

[remote cairn]

I couldn't get the english version

[wraith widget]

It's the same as the above I'm sure just different language lol

Except my admin fee was 5 euro and yours 20

my tax is slightly higher at 23%

[remote cairn]

I would prefer a slightly higher tax than this amount of admin fees

[wraith widget]

just seems like some lazy people at dhl france being greedy with fees

how they are charging 20 euros for maybe 5 minutes of work is crazy

so it's not geon's fault it's dhl france scamming you basically, although maybe they should offer you a different delivery option

[mental salmon]

Does anyone have a picture of how the l45 v2 box look like? Just wanted to ensure I received the correct version in my mailbox

[glossy pagoda]

It says v2 on the box

[mental salmon]

I had to zoom in, was afraid I was receiving something wrong again, like when I received a white plate instead of the black one, thanks Mr Akbar

[devout torrent]

dumb question but if my module and switches were delivered in last 30 days can I return lekker for lekker v2?

I got v1 (or 1.5 I guess) l45 wiht it but now youc an get l45 v2

[silver ingot]

Black

[glossy pagoda]

We don't want those switches back but perhaps we could work something out where you save on not needing to pay return shipping costs but we still get some revenue for v2's, send us an email and we can see

[devout torrent]

sweet, I sent an email and will wait for reply

thanks mr mark

[stuck seal]

Is this side profile of my redux supposed to look like this? It looks like a huge gap between the keycaps and the case as it moves down

[wild karma]

I had exactly the same reaction. Did not see the V2 on the box 😃

Felt like one of those old autostereograms anyone remember those. ?!

I was on the site ready to return then oh 🤪✅

[polar girder]

LOVE

What plate and stabs?

[calm pulsar]

looks like original frog mini alu plate

[silver ingot]

Yeah it's just a frog mini with the stock plate. Stabs are TXv4 AP

[calm pulsar]

so it works with a Wooting pcb without attaching the plate to pcb?

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s wild. Nice dude

[silver ingot]

yeah the alu plate is tight enough and the feet from the switches provide enough support

I will say the black night switches DEFINITELY sound more quiet than the jades cus of the bottom hole

[calm pulsar]

that's pretty cool

[silver ingot]

but i like the top housing being black a lot more

I have a PP plate from hype ordered but who knows how long thatll take

[calm pulsar]

I used black knight housing on black jades to have a closed bottom switch that is black 😄

waiting for raws and my frog mini now tho

[exotic inlet]

When did you got that email?

[silver ingot]

oh is it good

I might frankenswitch it

[calm pulsar]

tbh it might be too tight at times, and you'll have to clean the oil lube before combining with the jade stem, cause there might be too much friction

@silver ingot but that's how it sounds in my friction mounted freebird60 and fr4 plate

[silver ingot]

not bad

[calm pulsar]

it reduces wobble compared to usual jades and sounds cleaner

nah you don't need to change stabs

black knights are the same 4mm travel as lekkers

[silver ingot]

tbh from typing on it i think i believe it

they might just be 4mm

china is weird

[calm pulsar]

on HE switches the travel is usually reduced by adding some plastic that would seal the bottom and reduce travel

since BKs have open bottom I think they have the full travel

but its weird that specs say 3.6

black knights sound pretty much like lekkers, just a bit lower pitched

[exotic inlet]

Not me

[polar girder]

They’re totally different sound profiles

[calm pulsar]

couldnt be me haha

[polar girder]

I don’t own jades but I also have zero interest in owning them. Because I have black knight and prefer them

[exotic inlet]

There is a sound test from Sander o nthe Wooting channel that you can use to compare the sound between Black knights, lekker v2, Jade and Geon Raw

[calm pulsar]

jades/geon raws are closed bottom, which have a feeling closer to conventional MX switches

lekkers/black knights are open bottom, which sound quieter overall and have no pronounced bottom out

[silver ingot]

i like the housings and the push feel is a lil better methinks but thats my first impression

[polar girder]

Yeah

Tried TX AP plate mount but didn’t work with my plate

Sadge

[silver ingot]

theres a lot of harshness from bottoming out on the alu plate for my fingers

since ther mounting style is pretty stiff with the default tadpoles

i had some fatigue from jades

id have to spend more time with the black knights but they might be similar

tho switches have very little bearing on making a typing feel more soft

[polar girder]

Don’t think so

Yeah jades suck

I can’t hate on Raws. But I’ll hate on Jades lol

[polar girder]

Yeah true

But they don’t suck

[obsidian tusk]

any good keycaps website for europe ? not for 100€ a set ?

[loud gull]

Jade Pro vs Geon RAW HE switches.
Must say, pretty impressed with the Jade Pro's. They sound a lil less clacky then the Geons. But then again. Why do they have green housing. 😭

From 0:00 to 0:14 is Jade Pro. From 0:14 to 0:27 is the Geon RAW HE's

[exotic inlet]

I found them pretty similar sound wise

[loud gull]

Yeah pretty similar overall. I must admit, in real life hard to hear a difference. But on the sound test I did notice the difference.

[exotic inlet]

How are them regarding touch?

[loud gull]

Wobble is fairly similar. Maybe the a lil tad bit better. But honestly, I wouldn't care much lol. Feel is also similar from the quick tests. Though spring weight is different so that also influenced it a bit.

[chilly mural]

Yeah, sounds pretty similar. But jade are more expensive.

[exotic inlet]

Nice, thanks a lot

[exotic venture]

Is here a good place to ask about some mods I am interested in doing to my 60HE, but want to check by smarter people before I commit?

[loud gull]

For sure, go for it 😄

[prime orbit]

my D key keeps like turning off?

[cedar gate]

I have probably convinced like 30 people to get a wooting by now do I get helper role?

🤣

[exotic venture]

I was thinking of getting either the Tofu60 redux, or Alumaze, and some Jade switches

Are there any like glaring things im missing with that

[cedar gate]

Really a look thing

Just get the one you like the best off of looks

Typing angle on tofu is higher and it weighs more but that's it

[exotic venture]

Sound is pretty similar between the two though?

[calm pulsar]

get geon raw he instead of jades

[cedar gate]

Tofu is slightly thockier

[exotic venture]

Why so?

[cedar gate]

I was gonna say that next 🤣

[cedar gate]

It's way more stable

[calm pulsar]

better tolerances

[cedar gate]

And sounds slightly better

[exotic venture]

Is there a price difference?

[cedar gate]

Bruh stole my line

[cedar gate]

Raws are about half the price

Maybe a little more actually

[exotic venture]

oh my lord yeah i just checked

[calm pulsar]

shipping can be expensive tho, but for most ppl its still cheaper than a pack of jades

[exotic venture]

60HE is 61 key if im not mistaken, and you can buy the Raws individually and its under $30 before shipping

[cedar gate]

Shipping for jades is still a lot

[calm pulsar]

my raws should've arrived today

[obsidian tusk]

How many days to receive ? and where do you live ?

[exotic venture]

Is a FR4 plate worth the $15?

[calm pulsar]

if you order from geon's website its hella fast

ppl from US received it in 2 days

[obsidian tusk]

Just did like 10 min ago

from eu myself

[calm pulsar]

im from Russia so I ordered from the local korean store with mail forwarding so for me its a couple of weeks lol

[obsidian tusk]

I will probably pay taxes when its deliver ?

[exotic inlet]

Oh my lord, why so expensive?

[loud gull]

There is always a flat processing fee

Believe it is 20 euro

[exotic inlet]

That makes sense then

[calm pulsar]

insane

[exotic inlet]

I was expecting a 20% over the 30.60 I expent

[obsidian tusk]

how long for the tax payment mail?

[exotic inlet]

Let me see

[exotic inlet]

I ordered it the 4th of this month

So 5 days, but there was a weekend in between, maybe that's why he dind't ship it earlier

[obsidian tusk]

I think its when the package arrive in your country / close to delivery

[exotic inlet]

According to the message it just arrived to my country

[obsidian tusk]

Oh yeah mb didn't saw

[exotic inlet]

Ngl I wasn't expecting the fee to be this expensive

[barren wasp]

Will masking tape work for tempest mod?

[exotic venture]

I think I'm gonna go for Raws and the Alumaze case

Any recommendations for a place to find keycaps that won't dismantle my wallet that have more than just cherry and oem profile options?

amazon is great until I'm thinking of going for XDA, and all they have is milk and honey rip offs

[obsidian tusk]

Just ordered from aliexpress, if you can find keycaps that you like

[exotic venture]

Oh thats smart idk why I didnt think Aliexpress

[stone flax]

https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/

[modern sequoia]

Ofc

[willow kraken]

been a bit of a lurker, but i've been reading everyone's hype around the geonworks raw he switches and mine just arrived today. wow, these are great and def a step up from the jades and even the lekker v2's i have

so thanks all

[exotic inlet]

They better are, because my ass hurts from customs lol

[untold wigeon]

Your wait is finally over! I’m so happy for you! Did you get them into the new aluminum plate yet?

[calm pulsar]

no no they haven't arrived yet but the postage website they should've arrived on sept 9th 😄

so waiting for a bit still

[untold wigeon]

Hey! Me too. I’ve been patiently waiting for my helper role as well. I’m on here constantly patiently answering questions and guiding people through their builds and queries.

[prime orbit]

ask nicely

easy

[calm pulsar]

oh so you applied somehow or how does this work

[stone flax]

eyes have been opened

[calm pulsar]

https://youtu.be/Bc32Fv4P0tw
@untold wigeon it's going to be me in the beginning of the video when my raws and the frog arrive

[untold wigeon]

Oh lord I have no idea. I thought it was just bestowed on helpful people.

[calm pulsar]

you could probably ask Raquel, surely she'd clarify

[willow kraken]

yes and i also switched to cherry clip in stabs, tape moded, and friction mounted, eyes so wide rn

[untold wigeon]

I guess I could. Maybe when she is here tomorrow morning. Lord knows what time it is wherever she is

[calm pulsar]

I guess most of the Wooting team is in Netherlands or Europe in general

[untold wigeon]

I would totally understand that reaction

[chilly mural]

I like brown

I'm really curious how lubed lekker v2 will feel after a long time of using brown

[calm pulsar]

never used them, but I think when I build an MX board I'll use some sort of tactiles

[calm pulsar]

might feel very empty after tactiles 😄

[chilly mural]

Not sure, since I am a fan of bottoming out

also my kb is low profile

[calm pulsar]

might consider raws then, cause I like bottoming out as well and I really liked Jades when they came out

[chilly mural]

I got the raws, it's otw.

[calm pulsar]

nice

[chilly mural]

discount too good to pass

[prime orbit]

im gonna get the raws in 2 days

www

make a raw and BK switch

[untold wigeon]

Cerakey finally restocked the yellow spacebar but I don’t know how I feel about dropping $15 for a spacebar as hilarious as that sounds after buying 4 sets from them

[loud gull]

Are there actually low profiles cases for the 60%?
Wanna try to see if I can make a really low 60HE with the jade minis

[untold wigeon]

None that I’ve seen. And I look a lot

A low profile 60he would be really neat

[calm pulsar]

don't jade mini have a whole different structure? I thought the magnet on them is in a different spot

but there are some lower profile aluminum cases I've seen on aliexpress, they have generic names like gh60 aluminum case

[untold wigeon]

is there anywhere i can buy a modded wooting?

[loud gull]

I meant the low profile switches that also is used in the nuphy air60

Maybe mini is the wrong wording. That is different ye

[untold wigeon]

eBay. I’ll sell you mine for $650. lol.

[untold wigeon]

too cheap.

[calm pulsar]

yes I'm also talking abt them, but the thing is, they have a MX-like structure, where the stem goes through the pcb

[untold wigeon]

Cheap!!! lol how so?

[calm pulsar]

so they are likely not compatible with wooting

I mean I would love if they were 😄

[loud gull]

oh snap. Thought it was like ours. Nvm then

Sadge indeed

[calm pulsar]

[untold wigeon]

Ah just drill through the pcb what’s the worst that could happen? lol.

Jk don’t drill your pcbs

[calm pulsar]

yeah who needs the magnetic sensors?

[untold wigeon]

heh only 600?

[untold wigeon]

If 600 usd is cheap I can up it. I’ll do $800 and you can have my gmk and cerakeys sets.

[willow kraken]

ngl i did consider doing the nuphy air60 he pre-order, just to compare to my wooting...

if i do, i will report back

[loud gull]

Design does look pretty neat I give them that

[untold wigeon]

Let YouTubers do that. No point in spending that kind of money just to be disappointed

[willow kraken]

that's true i think i have until october for some reviews to come out and the pre-order closes

[untold wigeon]

why so cheap?

[untold wigeon]

Good point. $1500 lol.

bro why so cheap what country you live in.

usa?

[calm pulsar]

the joke is overdone at this point lol

[untold wigeon]

you think i’m joking?

[calm pulsar]

or trolling

[untold wigeon]

Agree. Getting bored

[untold wigeon]

U.S.A. has the largest economy in the world and the second biggest gdp behind China. I don’t understand what you think you’re getting at. Price reflects what I put into the board. Markups aren’t appropriate as at this point it’s used.

[calm pulsar]

this reminds me that I have to rebuild my non plus 60he and sell it

[untold wigeon]

I think I’m at that point also. I’m torn between the 80 and a + so I’d have more build options

😂

brother you’re funny.

[calm pulsar]

if you really like the 60% layout I'd say it is worth to wait a bit, cause there are rumors of some 60he pro

not sure what it might include though

[untold wigeon]

I’m happy you’re amused

[untold wigeon]

I didn’t know that. Worth a wait then.

[calm pulsar]

yeah apparently there was some "leak" from Calder during the latest stream

but it still can be someone's joke lol

[teal geode]

would beige keycaps look good in a grey case?

[calm pulsar]

generally krytox is for stab housings and grease is for lubing the metal wire

it does, but it's good if you are able to add extra lube in case your stabs are ticking

making noises

[fluid ravine]

Grey cases works well with most colors

[calm pulsar]

unwanted noises

[fluid ravine]

or pretty much all colors

[calm pulsar]

I think any cheap dielectric would work

yes

if you're getting the prebuild wooting it comes with plate mount stabs

60he+ module comes with screw-in stabs installed

did you order jades from wooting?

then what you have are long pole stems, you can use them on the screw-in stabs to avoid the issue where keycap moves around when you press on the sides

better watch videos on that lol

[stone flax]

wire makes sound due not being level perdominantly on the unbalanced side

different to rattling which is just due to the wire bouncing around the housing and making noise because theres no grease to stop it from doing so

or sounds made by the stab housings having friction

platemounted?

remove switch

push clip

push housing upward

[stone flax]

repeat for other housing

prebuilt 60he?

no

should be plate mount

also ur not getting new stabs with the jades

just taller stab stems to compensate for the jades reduced travel

unless u meant u also bought screw-ins

disassemble stab

take out regular stab stem from housing

put in new one

reassemble

it should still be platemoubt

only thing ur swapping is the stabilizer stem

id take loctite over this

permatex seperates too easily

read what i wrote

not gonna bother repeating

ffs

https://youtu.be/ly_bvrwTlpk?feature=shared

💀

[calm pulsar]

just look at the stabilizer

you can take out the stem

and put in the other

ofc wire needs to be removed before that

[stone flax]

This

Its literally not hard

😭

@viscid tusk

[calm pulsar]

me too relatively but I mean there's one way everything is assembled lol

[stone flax]

takes less than a minute

make sure the side of the stem with two holes is where the wire clips into

Wire clips into this

Not this

[teal geode]

gpl 105 oil on raw springs?

[stone flax]

👍

i dont see why not

[teal geode]

would u say there is something better iyo?

[stone flax]

no

spring oil matters least

oil for spring < grease for wire < lube for switch

in terms of pickiness

[teal geode]

i need a syringe

[stone flax]

for what?

[teal geode]

to lube stabs better

[stone flax]

no u dont

plugging the butt is maintenance and further tuning

nothing u do off rip requires a syringe

its a nice to have

but need is stretching it

[teal geode]

ill rephrase
i want

[calm pulsar]

do you think 205g0 on springs is any different? I always used it cause oil is more messy and I think it might dry faster

[stone flax]

nah

it will achieve the same thing

just more wasteful and time consuming

[teal geode]

oil or g205?

[stone flax]

also if “oil is messy” ur bag lubing very very wrong

ur adding way to much rofl

it should just be enough to barely coat the springs

sounds like youre drowning it

[calm pulsar]

nah I just assume it is, never done it

but this time with raw he springs I might just go for bag lubing

[stone flax]

ahh well it isnt

[calm pulsar]

so I can do my frog build real quick and not mess around

[stone flax]

tbh

havent even touched my raws so far

from stock

gonna give them 2 more weeks of a grace period

[teal geode]

when mine get here they are getting touched instantly

[calm pulsar]

fax

[teal geode]

well only gonna do springs to start

got allu plate coming 2

[calm pulsar]

from kbdfans?

[teal geode]

ye
and hanguls from cannon

[calm pulsar]

nice, I have it too but when it was on the way I ordered the frog mini, so haven't bothered to use it in my current case lol

[stone flax]

i honestly dont advise it

break in even the tiniest amount is nice

ur killing the chance of naturally letting the stem and housing smoothen by just rubbing over with extra lube

but i think thats more an mx thing

[calm pulsar]

yeah I understand your point, I will actually take your advise

I was more just going with the joke of raws getting touched as soon as they arrive

but yeah some ppl mentioned too that raws are very good stock

[stone flax]

They are

[calm pulsar]

then I will just take the pleasure of building the board and enjoying it right away

tho I will need to tune the stabs

[harsh dove]

They are but after I’ve used them for over a month now, they could use a relubing, can start to hear the springs a tiny bit

And they feel noticeably different after use vs the factory stock ones I do still have

[calm pulsar]

yeah when I do I'll just bag lube and throw them in

actually might try the extra HE springs that geon sells, cause I ordered all 3 weights

btw @harsh dove do you think TX AP long pole stems would work with other stabs? I have the stock module ones and cherry clip ins

[harsh dove]

You could try but I’m not too sure

[calm pulsar]

I will cause really don't want to wait for anything else

[stone flax]

very finnicky game

[fluid ravine]

and im starting to wonder if i should've left the lube in there and let it break in

[stone flax]

i love gmk

have never had problems with reduced travel

[calm pulsar]

I don't notice anything in real use, but when pressing with force on the sides keycaps tilt around

on gmk

[untold wigeon]

I couldn’t get the Durock v3 in my Pom plate. It wasn’t even close. Slid right into the stock steel plate though.

[stone flax]

oh really?

What stabs

[calm pulsar]

sec I got a vid

stock module ones

[calm pulsar]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[stone flax]

Two sets of non-long pole knights, one with gmk on with jtk

yeah its deffo a mix of stab choice and keycap choice

[calm pulsar]

lol just assembled a cherry clip in with TX AP long pole stem

[fluid ravine]

Soooo

[calm pulsar]

seems like it just works, moves around freely

[fluid ravine]

Yesssssss

[calm pulsar]

it feels like TX AP stems are a better fit to the cherry clip-in housings than the cherry stems xd

[fluid ravine]

Well this is good news

[calm pulsar]

yeah I will try building with these once my case is here

should be on 15th

wait im trying to fit the tx ap stab housings into the kbdfans alu plate and it fits perfectly

so no need to even use cherry clip in housings in it

I hope the frog plate is the same

[harsh dove]

plate mount or pcb mount?

[untold wigeon]

Plate mounted

[fluid ravine]

How are they in general?

[harsh dove]

and your POM plate I'm assuming has plate mount cutouts?

Cause I'm using Durock V3 on my Frog POM plate and they work

(Plate mount)

[untold wigeon]

The Durocks? I wouldn’t know. Can’t use them. lol.

[untold wigeon]

Yes.

[harsh dove]

Who cut it?

Hype?

[fluid ravine]

Btw I sent you a DM abt smth

[untold wigeon]

Tom @hype

[harsh dove]

Very weird, mine is from there too

and works with Durock v3 plate mounts

I don't see why he'd have diff size stab holes on yours

[untold wigeon]

They were too large. Can’t press them in.

[harsh dove]

Yeah, I'm at a loss on that one, unfortunately

That's a bummer

[cold bloom]

could measure the holes if you guys both have calipers and see

[untold wigeon]

Yes. The plate was interesting also. Some switch cutouts were loose and some were Uber tight.

[cold bloom]

maybe it's the stabs that are the issue

[cold bloom]

oh interesting

[untold wigeon]

No caliper

[cold bloom]

yeah I don't have any either lol

need a pair

[harsh dove]

Ah damn, I do

[untold wigeon]

Same

[cold bloom]

you could probably try to estimate it with something else

whatever has the lowest decimal measuring scale lol

[harsh dove]

MM tape measure

[cold bloom]

^^

[harsh dove]

Holes should be around 6.7mm wide iirc

[untold wigeon]

I’m having slight binding issues too. I’m hoping it’ll smooth out over time

[cold bloom]

it sounds like it's probably the plate variance but def odd

[untold wigeon]

Stabs binding

Length wise was the problem. Side to side they were fine

If I had to guess probably by 1/4 to 1/2 a mm

Didn’t want to break the plate

Stock ones were extremely tight

[harsh dove]

Interesting

[tidal frigate]

@harsh dove what gh60 cases do you have laying around?

[untold wigeon]

Probably all of them lol

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder hey, iirc you have a cafege plate right?

[tidal frigate]

I'am looking for fjell or klippe t but everyone who has them ship only in conus

[polar girder]

En route

Black Alu

[calm pulsar]

ah right

[untold wigeon]

Have an American buy it and ship it to you

[calm pulsar]

@uneven cradle do you have a cafege alu plate for the frog?

[tidal frigate]

To expensive ngl

[stone flax]

Everytime i hear a plate problem its platemount #screwingang

[tidal frigate]

I would pay like 350 for a case

[untold wigeon]

V1 not an option

[stone flax]

[polar girder]

Where you?

[tidal frigate]

Eu pl

[calm pulsar]

this is why I made a financially irresponsible decision to get a module

[stone flax]

responsible****

[polar girder]

Fjell in stock

[calm pulsar]

wrong tag, meant to tag @untold wigeon 😄

[harsh dove]

I don’t have any GH60s and I’m NA

[polar girder]

Isn’t Mekanisk good for EU?

[stone flax]

fjell is pretty meh

[tidal frigate]

I can't order it trough .com website

[stone flax]

Oh wait

He blocked me

Someone tell him fjell is meh

Please

🙏

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder fjell is pretty meh (c) mjj

xd

tbh I also think that

[tidal frigate]

I like bricks ok

[uneven cradle]

i do

[harsh dove]

I don’t mind the fjell but it’s expensive for just a tray mount

[calm pulsar]

oh nice, what stabs are you using? im just trying to figure out if they cut it 100% to wooting spec, or maybe it is a bit wider to allow for more stabs

[tidal frigate]

Well I would do friction mount and cerakote it

[harsh dove]

Ah fair

Try to get it on sale if you can or 2nd hand

[polar girder]

Yo do me a favor and don’t pass on anything he has to say to me plz

[tidal frigate]

Because I will get any colour unless grey fits perfectly my keycaps

[fluid ravine]

I'm living all my raws

Fk it

[calm pulsar]

haha sure, just memeing

[polar girder]

Yeah Fjell is sweet

[tidal frigate]

Man i'am looking on mechmarket for 2 weeks

[polar girder]

Haters gonna hate

Tray mount is what it is lol

[fluid ravine]

It's dampened as shit but ima let time go by and let it break in

[harsh dove]

I almost bought an fjell in the beginning

Then got a salvation instead

[fluid ravine]

Honestly

[untold wigeon]

Same but $350 is too much

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[tidal frigate]

@harsh dove well I will buy fjell when eu website is back

[fluid ravine]

Would only get fjell for Mr krabs

[harsh dove]

Salvation comes with way more for same price

[calm pulsar]

not sure about MX but in my experience for all HE switches, the lube breaks in in time and it's quite noticeable

[polar girder]

Fjell > salvation tho

IMO

[marsh saffron]

Same

[stone flax]

LOL

[harsh dove]

Fjell is just a case for $350 and Salvation is a full keyboard kit for $320-370 iirc

[stone flax]

Hold up

fjell is quite literally just an overpriced traymount

Wait a minute

[polar girder]

I like the fjell

[fluid ravine]

Yeah it is

[polar girder]

Maybe not the best value

[stone flax]

Fjell vs salvation

[polar girder]

But i like it

[stone flax]

fjell is glorified traymount

[fluid ravine]

All the switch parts in HE are much bigger so it's much noticeable

[harsh dove]

Yeah it is

[stone flax]

Sounds terrible in comparison to salvation

[fluid ravine]

Esp the lekkers or open bottom Housing switches

[harsh dove]

Yeah I like it too just not at its price , even tho it is heavy af comparatively

[untold wigeon]

Poch rocks the cheap fjell and her board is one of the best sounding ones on here. Ngl

[tidal frigate]

You dosent like bricks?

[harsh dove]

Well I’m saying it’s price has to do with how heavy it is

Compared to something like tofu, salvation, or frog

[calm pulsar]

freebird60 is my tray mount of choice, looks less blocky than tofu and skinnier

[tall hollow]

The black knight switches sound really good! (got around to recording a sound test)

[calm pulsar]

ohh is that a freebird60

[tall hollow]

Correct

[calm pulsar]

just in time with my message above lol

love this case

[tidal frigate]

Well tofu is boring because most people are going with it bcs its cheap

[calm pulsar]

sold my 2 reduxes for it

[tall hollow]

I like it, it's minimal, sleek, and unobtrusive.

[stone flax]

leggera is savior

[marsh saffron]

Anyone done any sound test/comparisons between Lekker v2 and raw HE yet

[harsh dove]

I like that the free bird doesn’t have sharp corners like tofu

They’re beveled

[tall hollow]

Yeah, the chamfer is really nice!

[stone flax]

other than wooting themselves?

[tidal frigate]

Sander did

[calm pulsar]

yess

and there is a little duck inside

[harsh dove]

[tidal frigate]

Why do you mansen inside

[tall hollow]

Indeed!

[tidal frigate]

Release him

[calm pulsar]

I did let him breathe a bit when I changed the plate

but he will soon be free once I receive my frog

[tidal frigate]

You are monster

[tall hollow]

A poppy yet deep sound, although that return noise could use some work.

[calm pulsar]

im more of a closed bottom switch enjoyer, but black knights sound nicer than lekkers here I think

[tall hollow]

Way nicer

And much more stable

The lekker V1 switches wobble like crazy

[polar girder]

Frog best thing I ever did for my Wooting

[fluid ravine]

Yall were the best things that I ever did for my wooting

[polar girder]

Yo SAME

FAX

without #keyboard_modding there would be no Bigsly, there would be no Wooting. There would be nothing.

[calm pulsar]

well said

[polar girder]

Raw or Jade Pro?!

[calm pulsar]

did you get v2s separately?

[polar girder]

[fluid ravine]

Wait what

[tall hollow]

Hmmmm

Really?

[uneven cradle]

I have tx ap long pole plate mount stabs 👀

[stone flax]

raw

im not paying 70 cents per switch

[tall hollow]

Raw HE

Graingold makes the objectively better HE switches

[calm pulsar]

jade max are even 1 dollar per switch without shipping

[quiet bay]

better than TTC Magnetic switches tho at least

[calm pulsar]

yeah those are crazy lol

[tall hollow]

Christ, their prices have skyrocketed since they started their own die manufacturing.

[calm pulsar]

true, I just wanted to clarify, cause maybe that guy has v1.5s

[fluid ravine]

Yeah I think he got the 1.5

I was confused on why he said v2 has alot of stem wobbles

[tall hollow]

Oh, those are indeed V2s

[calm pulsar]

build a black knight/raw frankenswitch

[tall hollow]

Oh nahhh

[calm pulsar]

so black knights arent 4mm travel for sure?

[tall hollow]

They are

Measured 4.05mm average across 10 switches.

[calm pulsar]

yeah I thought so too cause of the open bottom

[stone flax]

?

They are

[tall hollow]

The spec on most listings is wrong

[calm pulsar]

their specs say 3.6mm but that's probably a mistake on the listing

[tall hollow]

It deffo is

[stone flax]

its 4

believe it!!!

[tall hollow]

I get full analog response and my calipers don't deceive me.

[stone flax]

lol

trolling

[harsh dove]

It is a mistake, already confirmed by MoyuStudio they are 4.1mm travel

[calm pulsar]

nice

[untold wigeon]

They did sound kind of iffy during the live stream. Like it was less but not much. Oh well

[calm pulsar]

but have you confirmed with GUGU tho @harsh dove

[harsh dove]

lol gugu is a meme

[calm pulsar]

ik haha, im memeing

funny how even Sander put them in the vid as gugu black knights

[harsh dove]

Meme must live on

[untold wigeon]

does anyone know what case this is

[harsh dove]

Alumaze copycat

It’s not a real alumaze

[calm pulsar]

yeah I've seen it on aliexpress

[quiet bay]

ye was gonna say

too blocky

to be an alumaze

[tall hollow]

Oh interesting, I'm getting like 4.05mm average

[tall hollow]

Although being off by 0.05mm isn't that much at least to the keyboard

[calm pulsar]

worse graphics, more fps lol

[harsh dove]

Yeah and margin of error etc

Variances

[tall hollow]

Keyboard is only accurate down to 0.1mm

[untold wigeon]

damnn im tryna find this with the red color

[tall hollow]

No datasheet to see to see if it's actually within spec but +/-0.05mm sounds reasonable.

[harsh dove]

Yeah

They usually say like +- 0.2mm

[tall hollow]

Oh really?

[harsh dove]

So within margin

Yeah

[untold wigeon]

by any chance do u remember what the listing was titled ?

[tall hollow]

Usually for parts at this scale you'd want to enforce tighter tolerances.

I have a mitu

And a mitu mic

[harsh dove]

Yeah I think they put that there for the chance that you get some “off” switches in terms of variances

[calm pulsar]

wait I just found the one I've seen, it's a different copycat but it looks better I think

https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=JSQVrIO
@untold wigeon need to change the language tho

or search for MiFuny wooting 60he case

[harsh dove]

Not my photo

[calm pulsar]

there is one in red too

[untold wigeon]

oh shit i found it

that looks insane

[polar girder]

High power half mass magnets when??

[calm pulsar]

ah okay, have you tried it with any screw-ins/clip-ins?

[uneven cradle]

I just have an old 60HE atm so no screw in support

ill probably pick up a module at some point

[calm pulsar]

gotcha, thanks

[untold wigeon]

I’ve been thinking about getting a different case and and selling mine but can’t decide between the 60 or 80

[marsh saffron]

60>>>> personally

Not a huge fan of 80s layout

[uneven cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[calm pulsar]

same here, would love to see a TKL, but I might just do an MX tkl build

[untold wigeon]

Probably what I’ll do. I’m just tired of being limited by the non +

Although disappointingly eBay prices for the 60he have kinda tanked

[polar girder]

Yeah HE will evolve when our magnet/PCB game allows for smaller, lighter weight magnets

Less mass for stem

[stone flax]

have u given thought to what tkl u want?

[fluid ravine]

15 more alphas

[stone flax]

guy is not cooking

[calm pulsar]

not yet
geon various tkls look pretty good, but not sure I wanna invest in them cause they are all premium

[stone flax]

neo80, cycle8, spyder tkl are really good budget picks

[calm pulsar]

oh I remember spyder from yesterday

[stone flax]

spyder maybe not so much lol

it starts at almost 300?

but its sooo goood

[calm pulsar]

yeah loving the color options too

[stone flax]

sounds so good mounts so nice

https://youtu.be/l0qr7-zvr1g?feature=shared

man so sad the brown ano was only for proto units

[calm pulsar]

I need HE to sound this nice

[languid forge]

i overlubed my stabs

im ending it all

[calm pulsar]

😭

[languid forge]

ONLY 1 tho

just.. have to take everything apart..

[lusty nova]

When you buy v2 switches. Are they lubed or do you need to brush on Krytox 205G0 grease on the magnetic shaft, springs, and twin rails when the switch moves up/down?

[ionic breach]

they are factory lubed

[lusty nova]

Seemed pretty thin to me.

[ionic breach]

if it is not to ur liking

you could always lube it urself

[pulsar schooner]

@tawdry tree these housing swapped knights look sick

[sullen bay]

hi I just got my 60he and wanted to put side printed keys on it but noticed the switches are north facing...
how big of a difference would it be if I changed to south facing? or the leds are still going to be strongly dimmed?
p.s. I have zero experience with hotswap kbs

[stone flax]

led’s are north facing

reversing the switch wont change that

[calm pulsar]

why do you need to move the switches?

[sullen bay]

I see, thanks

[calm pulsar]

iirc there is no issue with keycap compatibility

[stone flax]

he’s asking if making the switches diffuser/cutout side to southfacing would improve rgb for sidefacing keycaps

to answer that

it wont

[sullen bay]

I was just wondering how strong would the leds generally bleed through switches

[stone flax]

led’s are north facing

[stone flax]

sure u can face the diffuser or cutout to the south side but it still wont make it so the light directly shines there, you know?

[calm pulsar]

ah im dumb and thought the question is about the old issue where keycaps were hitting the switches in a certain orientation

[stone flax]

thats called switch interference

its barely an issue in the common day

only tends to happen on specific switches on specific keycaps (mainly cherry profile)

most common switches nowadays are molded in a way to prevent that for northfacing orientations

[calm pulsar]

yeah the he ones I think all work with no interference so all good

[stone flax]

yeah

[sullen bay]

gotcha, thanks for that
won't mess around with it just yet guess I'll sacrifice the rgb for the aesthetics

[lusty nova]

I feel like they could with a optical diffuser layer on the bottom of the keycap.

[vast tree]

can someone recommend me some boards that are better or equal to the tofu65

[fluid ravine]

sob

[stone flax]

like

for mx?

[prime orbit]

https://drop.com/buy/drop-gmk-white-on-black-katakana-custom-keycap-set

do these shine thru?

[fluid ravine]

nope

[prime orbit]

sadge

[uneven cradle]

That's weird I don't see a switch opener in this order 🤔

[fluid ravine]

of course you had to point that out

[fluid ravine]

😭

(changed the krytox to 3ml just to see)

but damn bruh dont got moni like that

was gonna originally buy krytox alone but thought about long pole stabs now you tell me this

man frik u

oh to be made out of money sometimes

[stone flax]

7 dollars for switch opener

[uneven cradle]

At least it's geon

[fluid ravine]

i'd be happy to buy these

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

But sometimes i just gotta endure the pain

[lusty nova]

5mL seems a better deal. Where's the best place to buy grease?

[untold wigeon]

I never realized this was a thing. My opener wouldn’t open the Raws all the way

[stone flax]

amazon

this works

[dire apex]

This stuffs goated

Made my switches silent

[stone flax]

ermmmmm

[untold wigeon]

Deg isn’t typical on switches

[quiet bay]

hi guys, been working on a slideshow all day 😂

[quiet bay]

what if you lubed raws with 3204 🤔

[fluid ravine]

oh god

[quiet bay]

hehe

3203 or 3204

[fluid ravine]

isn't 3204 like thinner?

or made for tactiles?

[quiet bay]

ye

[calm pulsar]

pretty sure nothing krytox is made for keyboards in the first place lol

[fluid ravine]

i mean yeah

popularity wise, pretty sure 205g0 is best for all switches and all that

even tho some articles state that it's best for linear switches

and like 3204 is for tactile

[uneven cradle]

can't find keyboards on the website

[fluid ravine]

iirc 3204 is like more fluid than 205g0

[fluid ravine]

hmmm

somting wong

[calm pulsar]

prob takes away less tactility than 205g0

[quiet bay]

yeah but it can still be used for linears

c:

[fluid ravine]

true

[quiet bay]

lube is lube

[fluid ravine]

well i dont think it's gud for stabs

just a guess

cus the lube would just drip onto the pcb

just from guessing

not really

idk what im sayinfg

[quiet bay]

if 205g0 mutes raws too much then wot about 3203

[fluid ravine]

well this is where less is more comes to play

the raws sound fine when lubed

just use a thin application on the top housing and bottom housing

(i just finished lubing my alphas with the tiny shim of lube i have in my jar)

[quiet bay]

now im curious

i wanna lube raws with thinner lube

[stray tiger]

Hmm wonder what was delivered today

[calm pulsar]

he parts do get broken in fast so I would just use 205g0

[fluid ravine]

CHAT

WE MUST GUESS

AND I THINK I KNOW WHAT IT IS

[quiet bay]

MORE KEYCAPS

[fluid ravine]

NO

[quiet bay]

idk

erm

HINT

?

[fluid ravine]

IT'S FROM WOOTING

[quiet bay]

OH

[calm pulsar]

80he

[quiet bay]

80HE??

[fluid ravine]

O

80HE

LEKKER V2

[quiet bay]

PROLLY LEKKER V2S

[fluid ravine]

BOTH

IT SAYS 4KG

[quiet bay]

TRU

[calm pulsar]

4kg of lekkers

[fluid ravine]

LOL

[quiet bay]

[stray tiger]

That's a lot of switches 🤔

[fluid ravine]

WAIT

zinc alloy 80he is about 2000g...

[calm pulsar]

what if its the optimum case

[marsh saffron]

^

[fluid ravine]

and 4kg is 4000 grams...

so it could be a 80he zinc with something else...

[calm pulsar]

maybe he ordered multiple case options for 80he

[fluid ravine]

HmMmMmM

[quiet bay]

zinc case

[marsh saffron]

2 optimum case 60hes

[quiet bay]

[fluid ravine]

how much that weighs

[marsh saffron]

Idk

Probably more similar to tofu than alumaze

[fluid ravine]

wait

ship weight is 3.5kg

just rounded up

[uneven cradle]

[fluid ravine]

so it could be a 80HE zinc with extra shit

[quiet bay]

can wooting send me a pound of lube pretty please

🥺

[fluid ravine]

SAME HERE

IM OUTTTTTTTTTTTT

[uneven cradle]

could be 10 containers of 90x lekker v2s also

[fluid ravine]

fak u right

[quiet bay]

what he doing with all those lekkers 🤣

[calm pulsar]

pressing

typing

[fluid ravine]

GIVEAWAYSSSSS

!!!!!

[quiet bay]

naww

[uneven cradle]

[quiet bay]

I feel like lekkers r a little dead sounding

[fluid ravine]

[fluid ravine]

mannn shut yo switch tape modded lekker ah up

jkjk

[quiet bay]

[fluid ravine]

🫶

[quiet bay]

the v2s r sorta dead sounding!!

i want ze "OOMPH" in my thocc

[calm pulsar]

I thought this about my v1 lekkers too lol

[fluid ravine]

nah bruh v1 lekkers are fking like zombies

[quiet bay]

naw v1s just suck

[fluid ravine]

or wtv

they not dead

[quiet bay]

[fluid ravine]

they're just unalive with them chatter box

[stone flax]

both of them are thinner than 205

literally just thing of it as if 3203 as 203g0 and 3204 as 204g0

cuz thats literally what they correspond to

[regal nest]

cherry mx red switches are 45g right?

[stone flax]

for what

bottom out?

nah

[regal nest]

i have no idea, im trying to figure out which type of raws i need to get. looked up the force for cherrys and i find different values

so no clue what im comparing against

[stone flax]

actuation of 45

bottom out of 60ish

get 60's

[regal nest]

so the 60 on geons is bottom out force?

[stone flax]

yeah

it wouldnt make sense for it to be actuation force

[regal nest]

ill get 50s then, even though ive been using these cherrys for a few years i always found them to tough

[fluid ravine]

yeah like actuation force is 45 and bottom out force is like 55-60, smth like that

[regal nest]

just to confirm, if i want lighter switches then go for 50s or 40s even?

[stone flax]

ye

[fluid ravine]

yeah

50g is a sweetspot personally

but my preference is 60-70g

[regal nest]

thanks a bunch. now another question kekw 😄 anyone here ordered from geon directly and tell me how high the handling fees were?

cause im not giving dhl 20€ for scratching their balls

[fluid ravine]

depending on where you live dhl express shipping varies

[stone flax]

im typing on some 20mm 53g springs

very noice

[regal nest]

germany to be specific

[fluid ravine]

you should check on their website

[regal nest]

i read through the channel here and someone in france paid 20€ handling fees alone

[fluid ravine]

mine was $25

wait i forgot actually

$18-25

price slowly went up but idk how much i paid during the time

[regal nest]

yeah this is like a no deal for me. i didnt knew about this handling fee shit until i once ordered something from japan

[fluid ravine]

CAM's shipping was up to like $60

[regal nest]

i was so pissed at that

[fluid ravine]

so did him a "favor" and got it ordered to my place so i can send it out to him

[regal nest]

60$ for handling fees alone?!

[fluid ravine]

yeah

[regal nest]

fuck my life dude

the higher up at dhl be swimming in gold bricks

[fluid ravine]

lol

well atleast i got mine in 2 days

so it's pretty cheap i'd say

like in my situation, it would be if you're willingly pay it

[regal nest]

id rather pay geon 20€ extra instead of paying dhl for handling the tax payment lol

[real tangle]

Does anyone know if Wooting software is downloadable on MacBook Pro? I’m new to this and am trying to reprogram my redragon keyboard to it but I’m at a total loss

[quiet bay]

Wooting software is...only for wooting...

keyboards

[fluid ravine]

^^

Wooting is specialized to HE keyboards as well

[real tangle]

👍

[fluid ravine]

And wootility specifically you can only use it on wooting's pcb

[real tangle]

What’s an HE keyboard?

[fluid ravine]

Your redragon on the other is a MX keyboard

[fluid ravine]

Hall Effect

Which uses magnets instead of copper pins

[real tangle]

Ooo

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can u not use wootility online

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So any HE keyboard would work with Wooting?

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https://wootility.io/

yo does this site work

for you

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thats not what that means

wootings makes keyboards that are hall effect

does not mean any hall effect keyboard would neccesarily work with wootings software/wootility

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I’m so green im sorry y’all 😭

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You are a godsend. Tysm 🙏🏾

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im guessing u have a cheapo redragon hall effect keyboard?

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Yep, I do

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yeah

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I wanna get 360 movement to ditch my mouse completely for Fortnite

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u would have to refer to the specific redragon software for that board

but in all likelihood

its not gonna work

cuz ur on mac

cant be 100% tho

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I trust your judgement. Thank you 🙏🏾

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epic games has patched out analogue/double movement i believe

for quite a while now

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Naw it doesn’t

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ic ic

yeah i dont think safari was webhid

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😲

I had no idea

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Hi I was wondering if the 461e case works for the Wooting?

https://kbdfans.com/products/461e-case?srsltid=AfmBOorfrRtRdMWHhj8XpnwXcxpyStLrJrHxNIbp4wBU-OxO8HqugM0L

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yes it would

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Thank you 🙏

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Long story short, I’m left handed and have major carpel tunnel so it affects my ain. Decided to ditch my mouse to play go GOATED and although I couldn’t turn, I won literally every fight I could see in front me with just my keyboard

So eureka hit me that if I could turn 360 on keyboard, I’d be onto something great for competitive play

I was playing right hand mouse but with carpel was using space bar to shoot on my redesign