🔧│keyboard_modding

[stray tiger]

Very few people care about the number on the box Id argue. It's more about owning the set if you collect

[crimson sky]

yea but then ANY gmk set is limted in numbers

with very few exceptions

[stray tiger]

Except that most other sets can be run again in the future and these won't.

[crimson sky]

only the few rare exceptions get a rerelease that is not marked

also what stops novelkeys from just rereleasing deepfield

• seems like gatekeeping to me

[sweet oak]

Me, im eating them

[crimson sky]

yummy gmk trays

[sweet oak]

[stray tiger]

Their word. If they go back on it, then the whole idea of limited run sets is destroyed. But I know Mike and Riley personally and I trust them.

[crimson sky]

like new box art etc

I just personally don't think that forced exclusivity is a good thing

if it is actually good why make it harder to get with bad pricing/kitting and then limit it as well, when there is no reason to do so

outside of "collectors value" aka prospecting flippers

[stray tiger]

I understand your argument and know it's not yours alone but in any hobby where things can be collected, supply and demand drive the market. Sometimes supply is limited on purpose, sometimes it's not.

[crimson sky]

there is nothing stopping anyone from cloning it

[stray tiger]

Exactly

[crimson sky]

if you designed a set and run it with gmk they won't make it for anyone else unless they get your permission

so why make an emphasis on it being numbered

[stray tiger]

Because the numbers validate the limited qty and provide authenticity I assume

[untold wigeon]

Finalmouse has entered the chat

[stray tiger]

Any hobby really. Trading card, coins, stamps, etc

[crimson sky]

except they don't really, not hard to increase said numbers kinda invisibly, just by making duplicates

[untold wigeon]

True

[crimson sky]

gl figuring that out

just show your order amount at gmk if you wanna proove it

[stray tiger]

If I have #69 and see someone selling a #69, it would be pretty easy to determine it's been duplicated.

[austere creek]

man we should have numbered the lekker edition

[crimson sky]

in the end, keycaps imo should not become a collectors market

simple as

[stray tiger]

Yes

[crimson sky]

at least not one forced by manually limiting supply

[tawdry tree]

It’s exclusively for the sake of being exclusive, it’s fine, some like it and some don’t.

[glacial wind]

Numbered moist lekker editions is what the masses demand

[ionic breach]

i do like limited suppy products for some

[crimson sky]

imo it actively hurts the market

[ionic breach]

ability to qc and put effort into each product is nice

[crimson sky]

I get limited supply for boards since QC is a lot harder with those

like a LOT harder

but even there it is bs a lot of the times

[stray tiger]

But it doesn't if there is enough demand to drive a higher price. It does hurt those with limited budgets but doesn't hurt the market.

CS skins are a perfect example

[ionic breach]

but generic coloured keycaps

idk abt that

[crimson sky]

I mean in general demand for keycaps is steadily going down

[stray tiger]

Then you have to reduce supply to keep the price up.

Simple economics

[crimson sky]

not happening at an MOQ of 250

atm GMK can't afford to lower MOQ

Unless nk should buy 250 sets and then shredder half of them to make them more collectible

[stray tiger]

shrugs I can't agree or disagree with that. NovelKeys is the largest 3rd party keyboard distributor in the US so I assume they are doing something right.

[tawdry tree]

It can also be a win win for startups, you can get away with a small amount of supply without having the “when is it gonna be restocked!?” questions.

[crimson sky]

Not at the lead times it would being, makes cash flow abyssmal

[tawdry tree]

and exclusivity drives demand up.

[stray tiger]

I think that's what makes Kickstarter so good in some cases

[crimson sky]

The ability to just scam people

[tawdry tree]

I think it’s fine as long as demand isn’t crazy high, because that’d drive the reselling price up and then it becomes unhealthy imo

[stray tiger]

Crowdsourcing / group buys do have risks but the majority of the time they work out. Wooting started the same way.

[stray tiger]

You could argue this is why Unikorns, Janes, Kohakus and such are so high z buts its purely from limited qty and high demand

[tawdry tree]

Demand should always be matched to some degree unless the product is very difficult to manufacture. So anyone that wants the product second hand is still able to get it for around msrp.

imo.

I think that’s healthy.

Otherwise resellers will buy multiple of the product and drive the price up.

That’s shit

for everyone really

business gets flamed for selling to resellers

[stone flax]

is it weird to think a selling point for something shouldnt be “oh my god theres so little being made”

like its 2024

[tawdry tree]

and the actual customers can’t get the product.

[stone flax]

feels like regression

[tawdry tree]

It’s everywhere tbh

[stone flax]

like its not like they can ONLY make 250 sets

it makes sense otherwise

[tawdry tree]

With games it’s pretty much predatory.

That I hate.

[stone flax]

but then having that be a reason its hiked is crazy lol

ordering less on purpose to make it so that less people can have it and its more expensive?

[tawdry tree]

yeah

I like exclusivity when it’s not artificial

[elfin garnet]

How is the purchase process for the sets? First come first serve type thing?

[tawdry tree]

Probably, or a raffle. So you have to win the chance of buying the product.

It sounds pretty crazy tbh

lol

[elfin garnet]

I see. That last set wasn’t for me but I’d be interested to pick something up down the line if something I like comes up. I agree with Tirade that the first set was really good. I like clean looking sets like that. I don’t mind forced exclusivity. I’m sad I can’t buy those artisans Tirade linked yesterday but its my fault for not knowing about them and trying to get them earlier

[polar girder]

Same

[crimson sky]

Quite the other way actually, 250 is the minimum amount

And nk handled lots of gmk gbs with over 1 or 2k

I don't wanna go back to forced scarcity bs and get stupid flippers

And mgl imo the sets they released this way would have had no chance of hitting MOQ unless they got bought out

[paper bloom]

Say does anyone know if the klippe T case is a 5 degree or a 7?

[crimson sky]

Not saying all kickstartes are scams, but there is a significant difference between a kickstarter and a group buy

[paper bloom]

I just saw a lego kbdfans

Kickstarter

[stray tiger]

8 degrees

[crimson sky]

Kbdcraft is neither kbdfans nor lego

[paper bloom]

Ah sht

[paper bloom]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/boyu/kbdcraft-18-lilin-20-ergo-split-mechanical-brick-keyboard?ref=discovery&term=Mechanical keyboard&total_hits=138&category_id=52\

Its literally using lego

"lego compatible bricks' it is offbrand yes but it still cooks

[crimson sky]

also idk why tf it is kickstarter, only reason that would make sense is that after running multiple kits like that they got so little money and interested stores that they could not afford to pay for it in advance this time as well or host a normal GB

with a kickstarter they have no obligation to actually ship you anything

[paper bloom]

Cuz of its TOS

[stray tiger]

It's crowdfunding. Using other people's money to finance your project. They do have an obligation to ship, but like with any business z that doesn't mean they don't break the law.

[paper bloom]

The only people you'll be suing most of the time is the business putting it up on kickstarter

and the thing is that its also state dependent on the laws

[stray tiger]

Here is the crazy thing. I've backed over 30 Kickstarter projects and never been scammed. I've done over 30 keyboard group buys and been scammed twice.

It happens everywhere, Kickstarter or not.

[paper bloom]

Either way you loose some you win some

and the journey ig

To avoid getting pwned

[stray tiger]

Speaking of, my newest Kickstarter backed project arrived yesterday. A new tent for my truck

[paper bloom]

Wait you do truck camping?

[quartz jay]

Wait that sounds fun ngl

[stray tiger]

Truck camping, camper camping, normal camping, Im outdoors every weekend

[ionic breach]

does that not sound

ai?

[paper bloom]

O shit nice i was gonna tell you that i was a fond of camping too and wanted to tell you that that project you backed shld alrdy have the same thing as what other compeititors are selling if i am not wrong

Or its probs revamped

I can b wrong in this ^

Just an fyi

[stray tiger]

The roof space 2? It's the first to do it. I've been watching the project for over a year

[paper bloom]

O shit

nice

[polar girder]

Sickkkk

[paper bloom]

Ig i am rlly out of the backings league then

[stray tiger]

Well not the first roof top tent, but first one to open the way it does and is held open by steel cables. The ladder is only needed to get in to it, not to hold it up.

[paper bloom]

Yea then its portable and it makes sense

[paper bloom]

The ones i saw was held by steel cables and the prop up ladder

[stray tiger]

Keyboards are my hobby, fly fishing and camping are my passion

[paper bloom]

Dude camping is fucking nice

i wish to get into it one day

[crimson sky]

only GB I got "scammed" on was due to mykeyboards insolvency

[paper bloom]

Was thinking about truck camping while going over the world

[crimson sky]

should have seen that coming at the time tbh

but I didn't wanna bother with buying from a different vendor

[stray tiger]

Mkultra? That was one of my 2 I got bit by

[crimson sky]

my dad was an earlier kickstarter user and got burned enough times for me not even trying to bother with it

no mykeyboard

[stray tiger]

Oh mykeyboards not mkultra

Euro then?

[crimson sky]

yea

they were obv having financial issues for well over a year before it happened, I still bought into the set because I wanted it

[stray tiger]

Yeah I got scammerd by mkultra on the GMK Nord group buy. Ended up buying the set later on mechmarket

[crimson sky]

ah

the funny set

[polar girder]

GMK Cosmos would be my first GB

Will be* 😅

[crimson sky]

man gmk nord must have had it all then

abandoned by both the designer and lead vendor

[stray tiger]

Every other vendor paid for theirs. Mkultra only paid the initial deposit. Then ghosted and shut down the site. Most orders never delivered

[crimson sky]

yea obv, but lead vendor also manages a few other things

[stray tiger]

The worst part, other than paying twice for the set, is I don't even use it lol

[crimson sky]

iirc david was picked to colormatch because they had issues reaching out to anyone resposible for the project

[crimson sky]

rip

[stray tiger]

Sits on the shelf on the plastic...

[crimson sky]

I use most of my plastic

though it is always fun to see people choke on their 25 GMK sets they didn't even open

[heavy escarp]

sorry if this is a dumb question but does the plate that comes with the 60he+ module support plate mounted stabilizers?

[crimson sky]

yes it does

though there is not much of a reason to go for them

[stray tiger]

I have plate mounts on half of mine because of the ease of tuning and swapping. If you want to go one and done, go with screw-in or clip-in stabs

[tidal frigate]

I have seen someone with 50+

[crimson sky]

I have seen people with dozens of the same set

[stray tiger]

Ive got close 40-50 sets now but mainly it's because I love have a set and artisan match for that perfect combo in the future

Ahh I dont own any duplicates

[heavy escarp]

my main reason is that i was slightly stupid and didn’t check and just assumed the ones i ordered were screw in but they aren’t

[crimson sky]

I own 2 sets of modo

[stray tiger]

plate mount will be find then. Enjoy them

[crimson sky]

what did you get

[heavy escarp]

granted it says plate mounted right there

[crimson sky]

just use stock lol

[heavy escarp]

but it was a 2 am purchase so i wasn’t really with it

yeah i’ll see how they both feel but i wanted them to match the switches

[stray tiger]

I have the everglide panda v3's in a board next to me and they work fine

wtf my android keyboard isnt autocorrecting right today

[pulsar schooner]

Is anyone running black knights that could do a sound test?

[stray tiger]

Lots are but internet sound tests arent going to do much for you.

[pulsar schooner]

True true especially since they are going into an 80he that no one has yet lol

[stray tiger]

Even then it wouldnt do much hehe. It's a slightly deeper picthed switch when compared to other popular switches like the Jades, RAW's, Lavenders, etc

[heavy escarp]

daily life of an apple user 😭

i swear they are changing my auto correct on the daily

i’m not crazy!!!

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[tall hollow]

Quick question about the graingold black knights, the key travel is 3.6mm but people are saying it's reporting full travel in the keyboard software, is the travel actually 3.6mm and the keyboard just reports full travel or is that specification wrong and it's actually 4.0 mm and the keyboard reports the full travel as intended?

[stray tiger]

Its 3.6mm travel

[tall hollow]

Ahh so on top of getting new switches it also needs new stabilizers?

[stray tiger]

You should be fine with the current stabs at 3.6mm

[stray tiger]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[tall hollow]

Ah, but if the travel is 3.6mm how is the keyboard still reporting full travel? Is it something to with the auto calibration?

[stray tiger]

Yes its calibrated

In the future you'll be able to choose a switch preset as well to pre-calibrate

[tall hollow]

Nice

Will the keyboard still do the same with even shorter travel switches like the jades?

Or will it stop short?

[tawdry tree]

Black Knights have a total travel of 4.0mm, 3.6 is wrong.

So they work fine.

If they had a travel of 3.6mm, they wouldn’t work fine.

[tall hollow]

so the 3.6mm spec by graingold is wrong. huh

[tawdry tree]

By MoyuStudio, yes.

They’re aware of their mistake but haven’t yet corrected it.

It’s probably too late already as every listing just repeated their shit.

It’s an open bottom 4.0mm switch.

[tall hollow]

I wonder if graingold just gave them the wrong spec sheet by accident or something

[tawdry tree]

Could be but I doubt it.

It’s more likely on MoyuStudio themselves. If you don’t test the product you receive from the manufacturer then things like this can happen.

[tawdry tree]

Please update the switch compatibility list if you haven’t already. I can tell people a million times but if it’s still in #🪛│modding_faq they’ll assume it’s accurate.

[stray tiger]

I don't own them so if it's wrong then we have to punish @harsh dove since he was the one who entered those

[ionic breach]

is it not already 3.6?

[stray tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/guiillotine-gif-4574862832491529802

[tawdry tree]

It’s a 4.0 total travel switch rather than 3.6.

[tawdry tree]

Doesn’t matter much who put it imo, just that it’s updated cause people use that info to make decisions.

[stray tiger]

My point is that if its different than what the manufacturer has listed then someone has to tell us and show they have verified it.

Which btw, is the reason you're in a group chat with us cough cough

[tawdry tree]

I’ve sent the picture many times

[tawdry tree]

Including the statement from Moyu. 😂

[pulsar schooner]

Yeah, knowing it’s a 4.0 mm travel switch has led me to just now place an order

[barren wasp]

where can i buy gugu black knight switches?

[polar girder]

Black knight?

[polar girder]

Kprepublic or Ali express

[stray tiger]

Yeah. Cam updated the spreadsheet so itll be changed to 4.1 in the next update

In the meantime I added a note

[polar girder]

Yeah I tested with the analog monitor and it was 4.0 i thought

Cool thanks

[stone flax]

doesnt it always say 4.0 lol?

regardless of actual distancew

i always assumed its like a scale

[harsh dove]

Yes

[stone flax]

yeah

[polar girder]

Yeah exactly

[polar girder]

Well that’s weird and dumb but ok lol

Thanks

[stray tiger]

Well it can be zoomed out REALLY far

well past 4.0

[harsh dove]

As for the Black Knights being 3.6mm on the spreadsheet, that’s simply because all vendors had it listed as 3.6mm originally and some may still have it listed as that but MoyuStudio confirmed that was incorrect and they are 4.1mm

[barren wasp]

are gugu black knights the best thock switches for wooting?

[polar girder]

I’d say so. Or stem swapped raptors but BK good stock

Lekker v2 might compete

[barren wasp]

right now im using the v1.5 and the difference between that and v2 is magnet strength which idk if it effects sound

[polar girder]

But open bottom more thock than closed bottom for sure

[polar girder]

It’s more diff than that I’m pretty sure

But idk they’re not out yet so I can’t really comment on v2

[kind sky]

can you friction mount with stock stabs

[stray tiger]

Stock plate mount stabs yes

[kind sky]

do they come plate mounted or screw in

[polar girder]

Module screw in stabs can work but sometimes don’t

[harsh dove]

Depends which module you bought

[polar girder]

60HE+ assembled plate mount good for it

[polar girder]

More than one module? What?

Man, hype only has grey nylon for plates

Really want black

[tawdry tree]

Modules come with screw ins, he meant Prebuilt probably.

[polar girder]

Right

[barren wasp]

have there been any issues with black knight like sticky rice or no?

[polar girder]

No

Not to my knowledge and not to my personal experience

I use them

I like them

[tawdry tree]

No issues reported.

[barren wasp]

is the lowest actuation for black knights 0.1?

[polar girder]

Idk I would assume any lowest actuation is .1mm TBH

Anything lower is pointless IMO

But IDK

[cyan zodiac]

Dam you make me look good

[harsh dove]

Meaning if he got the prebuilt module or the standalone

[polar girder]

Next season on Hoarders….

[polar girder]

Right right

[cyan zodiac]

need to look for a pink jane

so i can finally open my noel

and put my artisans onthem

[barren wasp]

some reason the stock switch puller doesnt work on the switches

am i doing it wrong?

[compact condor]

so far guys, whats the best HE switch in terms of sound and calibration raw data?

I have the Geon Raptors HE

[broken cape]

probably, check a video maybe? you're probably rotated 90° with the puller

[broken cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KtpE1mv23s

[barren wasp]

i figured it out but thank you

[fresh citrus]

ello im a noob to modding and just ordered a 2he, anyone know good pudding style keycaps?

currently using a razer blackwidow 2013 🤣 no idea if i should look for oem profile or low profile caps either

[broken cape]

definitely not low profile keycapsa on a 2he :p

[fresh citrus]

ok that helps alot

i was looking at the hyperx pudding keycaps

seem okay and relatively cheap

font looks kinda ass tho rip

[broken cape]

one thing that you should maybe confirm if the spacebar on that set is 6.25U (it's standard though mostly you'd be safe)

[fresh citrus]

ah okay thanks for that

[broken cape]

You could check Ducky keycaps maybe

[fresh citrus]

oh true i forgot ducky was a thing

[rapid tiger]

any suggestions on what case is perfect for this type of keycaps?

[fresh citrus]

they look pretty clean

[broken cape]

Well, any white case I'd say? :P

[modest reef]

Hey guys, are the switches that you purchase alongside the 60he+ module come lubed?

[broken cape]

yes

[modest reef]

is the factory lube good or would it need to be lubed up

not sure how the quality is now compared to when it came out

[polar girder]

It’s pretty minimal

It will suffice if you don’t want to. But hand lube will improve the experience.

[spice plover]

@stone flax hey bro was wondering if you knew any good light orange sets or orange sets I think it would look good with purple too?

[pulsar schooner]

@tawdry tree for real, good call out on the 4.00mm on the black knights, I’ve been looking for switches to switch to that are recommended, and all have been reduced travel so I immediately discounted them for my use case

[tawdry tree]

All good bro! ❤️ They’re great switches, a deeper sound and wobble is very decent too.

[pulsar schooner]

Being “dust proof” is nice too

Then I’ll throw the v2 lekkers into my 2he (on all the keys I use the most) and have a good side by side comparison between the versions, I think i have v1’s in my board

[sick venture]

A tofu60 redux or something similar good look pretty good, maybe even a holy60

[thorn zealot]

It’s finally here

[polar girder]

What’s dust proof?

[devout torrent]

no dust go inside

[harsh dove]

Box stems are said to be dust proof

Which I feel like is more of a gimmick with HE switches vs MX

[untold wigeon]

@harsh dove go me!!!!

Actually sold it. lol.

[polar girder]

lol ok wow revolutionary thank you

[polar girder]

Oh really? The heck

That’s wild

Cool tho. Thanks.

[harsh dove]

Np

[harsh dove]

Wow

Nice work

[untold wigeon]

I know right!! Ty.

$50 too 😎

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[untold wigeon]

Ty. @harsh dove and I had our doubts if it would actually sell lol.

[calm pulsar]

too bad no one at logitech these days has those doubts

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-hilarious-lol-funny-gif-10516499

[tawdry tree]

I have never understood why that’s the main argument for box stems. Yes it’s “better” but dust isn’t getting under the keycap then on top of the stem then into the switch itself to a point where it causes problems. 💀

[calm pulsar]

keycapless builds💀

[quiet bay]

oh shoot nice sale

[untold wigeon]

Ty!!! That’s my PC plate right there!!!

[polar girder]

Yo who else makes plates for frog Wooting?

SMDkeyboards or something?

[untold wigeon]

@quiet bay I’m shipping your stuff tomorrow. I’ll get you a tracking number asap

[tawdry tree]

Reduced wobble at bottom out is much more significant because for most switches, the top housing has the tight tolerances to reduce wobble rather than the bottom housing. So a non-box stem has increased wobble at bottom out because it doesn’t interact with the top housing anymore.

[quiet bay]

ayee thanks, maybe it'll convince me to buy the full package for the 60he

[calm pulsar]

don't you already have all possible plates lul

[untold wigeon]

I have little doubt. 😉

[calm pulsar]

https://smkeyboards.com/products/wooting-60he-plate?srsltid=AfmBOor5J5Pmp6AKRqSYrazC6tkNDH4TTOLrhaJv0stgjPnWpWhHEQ4k

[tawdry tree]

Any local CNC shop would.

Just need to verify their tolerances.

[calm pulsar]

oh wait there is no frog support

[untold wigeon]

@calm pulsar which pc plate should I be buying? I want to avoid the one that has to be drilled

[harsh dove]

And if it does, you have bigger problems than box stems

[polar girder]

Alu en route but need black nylon

Hype only has grey nylon

Grrrr

[calm pulsar]

you can simply go for the wooting one, white or black
kbdfans the new one too, its like a frosted white color I think

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-exhausted-bored-bordem-pmb-gif-23000919

[untold wigeon]

I need to hear this aluminum one. I have a build request. You owe me. lol.

[calm pulsar]

yeah me too 😄

[untold wigeon]

Ok. Wooting it is. I’m not doing white again. Black is just too sexy

[calm pulsar]

yup

[tawdry tree]

What do you mean with “drilled”?

[polar girder]

Lolz aight

[untold wigeon]

Doesn’t one of the available ones not have holes drilled for the standoffs? I may be totally mistaken

[tawdry tree]

Oh, hmm. The ISO one maybe?

That’s no problem though.

[polar girder]

Yo I’m hella worried this alu plate will have h th e middle stand off hole in it tho

And I’ll cry

[untold wigeon]

I’m really not sure. Tbh I forgot Wooting has one in black. I don’t think I need to look anywhere else. Unless I should be.

[calm pulsar]

wait the cafege one?

I think on the pics they dont have this hole

[polar girder]

That was low key my fav thing about the hype keyboard plate

Solid middle

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, Woot’s plate will work perfectly fine.

[polar girder]

I hope so

TBD

[untold wigeon]

Take it to someone who welds aluminum and have it plugged. Not a big deal

[untold wigeon]

Sweet. Ty

[calm pulsar]

so it does have a hole

[polar girder]

Yeah see

Big hole

Scary

[polar girder]

Bro

[tawdry tree]

Why scary?

[polar girder]

Why everyone thing I got local CNC hookup

Big hole sucks

I hate it

Fk

[calm pulsar]

this is for aerodynamics when your pcb moves up and down

[untold wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-peppo-cry-gif-22663734

[polar girder]

Me rn

[untold wigeon]

What? That’s perfectly reasonable.

[tawdry tree]

Even if not local, but just the nearest one.

[thorn zealot]

is there anything to check here or just leave it as is

[steep mountain]

Dumb question but where does this go in my wooting module?

[broken cape]

depends on whatg you like :F

[tawdry tree]

Separate press/release sens can be handy but it’s fine if you just want rt

[untold wigeon]

Between the plate and pcb

[thorn zealot]

ight cool

[tawdry tree]

You can swap out the pre-installed silicone switch pad for this foam one.

Can change the sound slightly.

[untold wigeon]

What he said. That or the silicone. Not both.

[steep mountain]

which do u guys thinks sounds better?

[calm pulsar]

@polar girder @tawdry tree btw not sure if you've seen those but there are stabs made of plastic very similar to black knights

[tawdry tree]

Even something like PCBWay would work but I’m sure there is one closer to you that is less expensive.

[untold wigeon]

Poron more muted. Silicone more poppy. Your preference.

[steep mountain]

okie dokie ty so much

[tawdry tree]

Foam if you want a deeper sound, silicone or neither if you want clack.

[untold wigeon]

No problem

[polar girder]

The v3 from whoever?

They have the TPU or silicone ones

[calm pulsar]

these are Wuque Studio V3.1

[untold wigeon]

What’s this?

[polar girder]

Hmm

[tawdry tree]

That with a black stab stem would match black knights perfectly.

What are those?

[tawdry tree]

Ic

[calm pulsar]

https://sl.aliexpress.ru/p?key=9C2xrCM

I wonder if these fit wooting plates

should be the same dimensions as WS Stupid stabs right?

[harsh dove]

Yes they work

[polar girder]

https://shop.wuquestudio.com/products/in-stock-ws-stabs-v3-1

[tawdry tree]

The stem is already black wtf!

[calm pulsar]

black knight stabs lol

[tawdry tree]

fr

[harsh dove]

Yeah that’s a newer design they did the same on the stupid stabs

[tawdry tree]

perfect match lol

[harsh dove]

To prevent wire from coming out

[calm pulsar]

nice, hopefully those would work, cause I ordered 😄

[tawdry tree]

Did that ever happen with other stabs?

[untold wigeon]

Personally I would build it twice. Build it with poron then with silicone. Take a video of each one and keep the one you like most.

[harsh dove]

Not for me which is why I find it gimmicky but whatever

[polar girder]

This is the way

[harsh dove]

Keeps it more stable I guess

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, never heard or seen that happening before

[harsh dove]

Maybe helps prevent rattle

[polar girder]

Fr

[calm pulsar]

I liked the design of Typeplus stabs, too bad they are too wide for woot

[untold wigeon]

Why can’t plate mount stabs look this good???

[polar girder]

Yeah I was looking at these

https://shop.wuquestudio.com/products/stabs-v3

They have TPU or silicone

[tawdry tree]

Wire color matches better on the V3s

than 3.1

😂

nitpicking but still

[calm pulsar]

oh I got many diff gold wires from other stabs, giving me an idea 😄

[tawdry tree]

yeah

depends if they use standard wires tho

they prob do but u never know

[calm pulsar]

yeah, I'll see
who knows what if cafege alu plate supports wider stabs

[tawdry tree]

you could prob ask for a custom one, maybe?

😔

[calm pulsar]

I kinda already ordered, and it was a choice with the case itself, so I didnt pay extra

I mean it'll be fine regardless

[tawdry tree]

bro did not have one positive thing to say about em lol

[tawdry tree]

Oh ic

[tawdry tree]

if that pic is accurate, it looks like cherry spec so prob not

[polar girder]

I just want most silicone and quietist thockiest lol

The 3.1 do match BK perf tho

Kind of almost have to

Alu plate is for screw ins

[tawdry tree]

worth to try tbh

[tawdry tree]

u sure?

[polar girder]

Yes

[tawdry tree]

Oh so he does custom

[polar girder]

It’s one GB

[tawdry tree]

@calm pulsar did yours already ship?

[polar girder]

But yeah

That’s why there’s also hope there no middle hole lol

But TBD

[tawdry tree]

did u ask? or just hope?

[polar girder]

hope

[calm pulsar]

I think it is with australia post already
and the one Bigsly ordered I think is a custom order

[polar girder]

Just thought it about it yesterday when I saw the Cafege plate link

Doesn’t make sense to have the hole cuz it’s obviously for tray mount stand off but also does make sense if it’s just cookie cutter from Wooting plate with the tadpole spots just added to outside

[tawdry tree]

yeah it is, thought if yours wasn’t shipped yet you could ask

[tawdry tree]

Yeah exactly

[polar girder]

But seems like file they have for the plate had the hole so I’m probably cooked

Lolz I’ll be ok

Just order nylon anyway

But then grey

Still cooked

[harsh dove]

My brain imploded while reading this

[polar girder]

That’s all I need right?

[tawdry tree]

4+2?

[polar girder]

Doh

[calm pulsar]

yeah that's fair, I just kinda had to pay extra for it to be delivered to me and it was a hassle

at first Cafege said that they ship to Russia so I just found some help with paying to ship to my address, but it got cancelled cause they are unable to ship to Ru after all

so I had to re-order through US, thankfully no one bought it while I was unaware

I might just order a custom plate from hypekeyboards or smth at a later point

[polar girder]

Yeah and 1.6

[calm pulsar]

bro wrote a whole essay

[tawdry tree]

tf does 4+2 mean

4x2U wouldn’t include spacebar

[thorn zealot]

Can someone here send a pic of how to cut the silicone pad to friction mount

[tawdry tree]

If you have the plate file, just get it made locally, it’s not something crazy. If you get it from the us shits gonna be more exp than it needs to be

[austere creek]

what silicone pad

[calm pulsar]

let me find it here, I asked Thackson to post it earlier

[thorn zealot]

Alr cool thanks

[thorn zealot]

The one in between the plate and pcb

[tawdry tree]

All around the edges, @fluid ravine got a pic?

[polar girder]

Oh fk. Really?

7+2 then?

Oh that’s 7u + 2u’s?

[tawdry tree]

Do they have a picture of wtf it includes.

[tawdry tree]

I don’t get it bro

4+2

[calm pulsar]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[tawdry tree]

or 7+2

lol

[polar girder]

They both seem to link to same pic. I don’t get it either

There

[tawdry tree]

I would think this means 4x2U or 4x2U + 2 (1 7U and 1 6.25U)

[tawdry tree]

Oh perfect

[calm pulsar]

on the pic they just have everything that is needed

[polar girder]

Had to scroll so far down lol

[tawdry tree]

😂😂

[calm pulsar]

do you happen to know if Durock V3 screw-ins are too wide for woot?

[thorn zealot]

ngl i cant tell where the silicone is

[calm pulsar]

there are other pics, but yeah kinda hard to see
the idea is to just cut on the edges

[tawdry tree]

They are, Durock V3 Screw Ins use a Durock V2 housing which is the same width as TX and Staebies. They’ll prob work alright though because they’re pretty loose.

You can swap a Durock V3 stem and put it in an Everglide Panda V3 housing (which does fit Woot).

Stem swapped Panda V3s. 😂😂

[calm pulsar]

dang we got frankenstabs now lol

well I had fun doing that with my jade knights so I will consider that too

[polar girder]

Bro why does discord not take you to the message

[tawdry tree]

They actually seem pretty good, I only did two but they have the tolerances of TX APs

[polar girder]

Just takes you half way there and drops you off

Hate that

[tawdry tree]

I don’t fucking know

it’s so annoying istg

[polar girder]

I kind of want to combine both WS TPU and silicone stand ngl

Silicone housing but TPU wire

[elfin garnet]

the fkn worst. I usually start my day by reading everything from the night before and this happens too many times

[polar girder]

Yeah it’s straight garbage

[harsh dove]

Which is weird cause I swore Everglides and durocks were the same

[tawdry tree]

discord gets worse every update ngl (on mobile at least)

[tawdry tree]

Manufacturer, yes. Housing size, no.

[harsh dove]

Yeah they’re both made by JWK iirc

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[harsh dove]

But yeah housing must be different

The plate mount durock v3s work tho

[elfin garnet]

Yeah I used my phone while vacationing in Greece these past two weeks. Fk dat. So shit

[harsh dove]

They use a thicker housing on the PCB mount ones

[uneven cradle]

I'm probably gonna buy bulk cherry stabs

[calm pulsar]

oh mine will arrive soon, along with the black alu plate for my friciton mount build

[uneven cradle]

Gotta save some money somehow all these fancy expensive stabs

[elfin garnet]

Remind me to not use USPS shipping ever again cause what is this

[uneven cradle]

Little bit of love and those cherry stabs 👌

[calm pulsar]

just admit you bought everything at cafege

[uneven cradle]

You're not wrong

[stone flax]

NOOOOO

these stabs suck

[stone flax]

4 2u's, 1 7u + 1 6.25u

4 + (1+1)

[tawdry tree]

yeah

[polar girder]

Why

[polar girder]

Bruh

💀

[elfin garnet]

I live in Oslo. How am I still waiting when it arrived 15th of August

[stone flax]

these are the silicone vers right?

ok

basically

im so confused how the same company that sells the stupid stabs sells the v3.1's aswell

[hollow bear]

does anyone have like a rough estimate on when we are gonna get custom cases for the 80he

[stone flax]

despite having that injection in the housing to help eliminate rattle with only a slight lube job

its so bad at rattling

more so than any other stab ive used

and its not like the sound of metal to plastic since theres the silicone inside

so stock

its mushy and rattly

tried everything

wires were balanced (tried them in a different housing and they sounded fine)

lubing only the housings, not the ends of the wires, grease on the just the wire, different lube jobs

the only way the rattle got rid off was by drowning it in grease and by that point it was mushy af

idk if i got a really bad batch

but it was almost like the wires they used were just too small or something because the assembled stabs just never sounded right

[pulsar schooner]

Less stuff interacting with your lube potentially, but yeah mostly a gimmick

[harsh dove]

Yeah that’s about all I could think of, potentially less dust accumulating in your lube and getting sticky

Just feel like it’d take a long time for that to happen tho

And by that time, one should probably be cleaning and relubing their keyboard anyway I’d hope

[tall hollow]

well, the only aliexpress listing is from kprepublic lol.

[pulsar schooner]

Unless you eat Doritos/Cheetos directly over your board and make sure to wipe the dust off your hands over the board as well.

lol

[spiral mortar]

fedex is 10x worse

[tawdry tree]

The thing with box stems is that when you press them down, the lube will stick to the sides of the “box” slightly. Which dust can then stick to so I really don’t think it’s that much of a difference between box stems and non-box stems when it comes to dust accumulation.

[tawdry tree]

bro wrote the aliexpress review lmao

[tall hollow]

box stems are much more stable tho right?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, a lot more stable at bottom out for most switches.

That’s the biggest benefit imo

[calm pulsar]

the review is in russian originally too lol

[tawdry tree]

not some anit dust or whatever

[tawdry tree]

😂😂😂

[tall hollow]

nah, dusproof switches have some seal in the top housing that prevents dust from getting in right?

[tawdry tree]

The main “selling point” for box stems is anti-dust

no seal or something

[tall hollow]

ah

but there is still a gap no?

[calm pulsar]

tbh I thought so too, but when I got black knights, it wasnt really the case

the switch is good tho

[tall hollow]

tolerances werent great?

[tawdry tree]

with non-box stems, when fully pressed there’s a big gap where dust can get directly into the switch housing.

[calm pulsar]

the stem was just as wobbly as on jades

[tawdry tree]

That’s not the case with box stems.

[tall hollow]

ah, but not as bad as lekker V1.0 right?

with the old injection molds

[calm pulsar]

yeah these are insane

[tall hollow]

yeah, ever since gateron started their own tool and die manufacturing 2 years ago their tolerances improved substantially

[tawdry tree]

Compared to the non-box stem from Grain Gold, definitely a lot less wobble on bottom out. Are you comparing to stem swapped Jades?

Black Jades with Black Knight top I mean

[calm pulsar]

nah just normal jades, I compared them when I received black knights and I thought stock BKs will be less wobbly

[tawdry tree]

Ah ic

[calm pulsar]

btw I did take the black knight upper housings and used with jade stem and bottoms and the wobble almost disappeared, but sometimes these frankenswitches might be too tight 😄

[tall hollow]

I pulled the trigger on the black knights, I hope they are an improvement over my very akwardly modded lekker V1.0

[calm pulsar]

yeah and they sound lower pitched too overall so its a good open bottom switch imo

[tawdry tree]

Def

Especially for the price

[tall hollow]

gateron and graingold used to get their tooling and dies from the same factory, although now that gateron makes their own tooling and dies so the tolerances are different which could probably explain the tight fit.

[calm pulsar]

oh ic

[stone flax]

i can say theyre the worst stabs ive ever used

unsalvagable

[tawdry tree]

Yeah just different switches. The Raw HEs (also manufactured by Grain Gold) have the least wobble so far.

[stone flax]

like u pay for the tech and it ends up worse than some random $1.14 plate mounts at the thing its designed to not do

[tawdry tree]

😳

[stone flax]

doesnt make sense

[tall hollow]

those are like, semi-open bottom right?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah but top housing is a bit tighter. You can use them with any of Grain Gold’s box stems too to get the switch with the least amount of wobble while having no friction feel.

[tall hollow]

I mean, there is no leaf actuation mechanism so almost all the HE switches feel super smooth to me.

[tawdry tree]

That’s kinda stupid 😉, did they not test the concept at all?

[calm pulsar]

I hope the wobble is just as good on raws as on these

[tall hollow]

should be easy to frainkenswitch too since BK and Raw HEs both come from graingold

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, I meant that the stem swapped Raptors for example introduce a bit of friction (will lesses with use) and Raw HEs with a box stem not at all.

[tall hollow]

that is so nice, I had to do some really weird shit to the lekker switches get rid of that rattle lmao.

[calm pulsar]

I guess tape modding?

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, although only Grain Gold’s box stems are compatible with the Raw HE top housing. Only Raw HE’s stem is compatible with Raw HE’s bottom housing (box stems can work but out of the 7 I tested, 2 had a crazy amount of friction to the point where they weren’t functional at all).

[tall hollow]

yeah, tiny tiny strips of cloth medical tape.

[dapper hazel]

switch films?

thock.film silicone works with HE switches

[tawdry tree]

I need to finish my switch combination compatibility list

[tall hollow]

oh man dont even get me started on the tolerances of the switches, they were so bad

you can hear the housings creak when you wiggle the 2 halves

[calm pulsar]

yeah yeah I've done that too, so time consuming
also funny that after a short while jades came out and I immediately ordered them cause they had closed bottoms, I really wanted that

[dapper hazel]

yeah the silicone might help haha

[tall hollow]

I didnt get it because i unironically use DKS to get work done lmao.

[fluid ravine]

Heyo modders, I'm home!

[tall hollow]

yo

[fluid ravine]

Sup sup

@tawdry tree need smth?

[tall hollow]

the 3D printed switch films helped alot tho

[polar girder]

So still wait for knight stab?

[lone plume]

have anyone tried using gaff tape for tape mod?

[stone flax]

screwins?

[fluid ravine]

Ah found it, yeah gimme a sec i gotchu

[tall hollow]

0.16mm thickness was enough to make the switches tight enough so that they dont rattle

[calm pulsar]

I wonder if I helped Gateron sell some Jades lul

[tawdry tree]

Send an invoice their way

😌

[calm pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

[fluid ravine]

Here ya go

[calm pulsar]

@thorn zealot

[fluid ravine]

I did it with my poron plate foam as well

but im using nothing right now at the moment

[marsh saffron]

Same

[tall hollow]

tried 0.08mm and 0.12mm thicknesses and they both didnt work, these housings were super bad. maybe the tooling was on their last batch before being swapped or something.

[marsh saffron]

Made it so my PCB fits better in my tofu for friction mount

[fluid ravine]

yup

and it's easier to install and take out

[marsh saffron]

I cracked my PC plate where my spacebar switch is when trying to remove it before cutting it

[calm pulsar]

the poron I got seemed to compress without cutting, though it might've played a role in my friction mount being so tight I have to remove switches to get it out lmao

[fluid ravine]

I dont hear a difference in sound anyways, it's just the outer keys, so cant say much

[marsh saffron]

Thankfully it still works fine

[fluid ravine]

yeah sounds about right

@harsh dove I switched my switches to south facing last night after spilling water

[quiet bay]

how could you

[fluid ravine]

the RGB got dimmed like CRAZY

[quiet bay]

spill water

on thy wooting

[fluid ravine]

it was a tiny bit, nothing crazy

didnt reach the pcb

[quiet bay]

ok ok gud

[fluid ravine]

tell that to Sanders

[quiet bay]

sad tho cuz rip ur raws clean white

[fluid ravine]

yeah

[calm pulsar]

does it feel any different?

[fluid ravine]

nah

My phone enhanced it a bit but its really really dim

thats 100% btw

[marsh saffron]

That's 100%?

[fluid ravine]

and on some of the alphas the white becomes a bit orange/red?

prob the keycaps

so yea ill be switching back to north facing

in a few

[calm pulsar]

I once switched to south facing and I started moving backwards in games

[fluid ravine]

LOL

Turns PCB upside down

[marsh saffron]

My 60he was my first keyboard you could even take switches out of without breaking it

[stone flax]

hotswap?

[marsh saffron]

Never had a hot swap board

[stone flax]

ya

[marsh saffron]

And my k95 seemed to have tried to make it so you literally couldn't even desolder them easily

[wild apex]

what are the differents between the lekker v1 switches and the v2 switches?

[stone flax]

feel

hmm

maybe sound

[thorn zealot]

there we go thanks

[calm pulsar]

wait I can't seem to find pcb mounted Pandas? did you mean plate mount pandas or do I have to look better

[fluid ravine]

stem tolerance decreased by alot, resulting into a cleaner top out sound

[wild apex]

i can't find anything about it

[fluid ravine]

typing without keycaps rn LOL

@harsh dove

[fluid ravine]

south facing supremacy you said ay?

jk just dont use rgb

[calm pulsar]

east facing supremacy

[tawdry tree]

Everglide Panda V3 PCB Mounted Stabilizers. https://a.aliexpress.com/_EzaPYfx

[fluid ravine]

Iso 😭

[tawdry tree]

These are not Durock V3s like the listing says.

[wild apex]

wow, that sounds great

[tawdry tree]

Most accurate AE listing as always. 😂

[tawdry tree]

actually keycapless 🗿

[calm pulsar]

ohh nice thanks, they seem on cheaper end too

[tawdry tree]

They’re very cheap yeah

[wild apex]

i use an old razer cynosa chroma, which no longer registers the keystrokes correctly

[calm pulsar]

now that I think of it, silver frog mini + alu plate + raws + transparent stabs might look great

[stone flax]

hot take no one can see their stabs istg

[calm pulsar]

keycapless new meta

think about all the money saved by not buying gmk sets xdd

[wild apex]

That's why I wanted to switch to a mechanical keyboard, but the 80he takes a long time to be delivered

[marsh saffron]

Worth the wait

[wild apex]

oh okay, wow

[fluid ravine]

There's something that wooting teaches about that school doesn't, patience

[tawdry tree]

it’s not about seeing, it’s about knowing.. 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[fluid ravine]

Yeeee

[marsh saffron]

Just the keyboard market in general

[fluid ravine]

People with their bakeneko knowing it has imperfections be like

[marsh saffron]

I'm waiting until December for my X-rays to arrive 😭

[fluid ravine]

Tru

[fluid ravine]

RIP

[marsh saffron]

Shits driving my mad and it's still august

[tawdry tree]

why? second batch?

[fluid ravine]

My bday on Dec, finna take it as a present mue eheheh

[marsh saffron]

Yeah

[calm pulsar]

my frog might arrive only in like late sept😭

[polar girder]

Yeah

[tawdry tree]

the only thing I don’t like about Xray is the fact that they opted to paint

shit was good without

better without imo

[marsh saffron]

I hope mine wont have the issue with the paint sticking

[stone flax]

u can try yikb's

[tawdry tree]

and that too

[stone flax]

@polar girder

[marsh saffron]

Hopefully they actually let this batch dry

[tawdry tree]

too wide 😔

[calm pulsar]

opted to paint? like they used paint for the white color?

[stone flax]

what the freak

[calm pulsar]

can confirm 😦

[stone flax]

i love those stabs

[marsh saffron]

I believe they painted the inside of them

[calm pulsar]

oh the bottom sides?

[tawdry tree]

they painted the the keycaps where you’d see through them. Due to the double shot

[tawdry tree]

Yeah

[tall hollow]

also quick question about the black knights, hows the factory lubing on them?

[flat cobalt]

I'm just waiting for the Tamagotchi Keycaps

[tawdry tree]

They’re interesting for sure but nothing crazy except for the design

[sand radish]

can anyone help me my 60 he won’t power on when i have it plugged in i took it out of the case and it still isn’t working when plugged in what do i do

[tawdry tree]

just very unique stabs

[tawdry tree]

Oiled up

[calm pulsar]

hmm Ig it would be more interesting if you could see through

[tall hollow]

any ID on the lube or its just lube?

[calm pulsar]

is the cable plugged on other end? dumb question but still 😄

[sand radish]

lmaoo yes

[calm pulsar]

well its scary cause it shouldnt need anything to be able to start up

[sand radish]

i just got it monday

and this is really upsetting for the cost

[exotic inlet]

Have you tried with another cable?

[sand radish]

yes

[calm pulsar]

is the usb port okay? intact?

[sand radish]

i think so

i didn’t touch it

[tawdry tree]

Seems like oil rather than a thicker lube like 205, it’s fine though.

[calm pulsar]

might have to email wooting support

[tawdry tree]

A bit difficult to see with this shit light

[sand radish]

what do o even say i had to mod it so my warranty might be void

[calm pulsar]

is it the module?

[sand radish]

yes

[calm pulsar]

it should still have warranty if modded

[tawdry tree]

Can you take a pic looking into the port?

[calm pulsar]

depending on what you do ofc

[sand radish]

yes

[calm pulsar]

ohh wait now that I look at it I like the idea of sealing those holes better, these usually bummed me on similar sets

[sand radish]

does that work

[tawdry tree]

Seems fine

[marsh saffron]

Doesn't look damaged to me

[exotic inlet]

And have you tried in different usb ports on your pc

[calm pulsar]

I think they say somewhere that you can mod it and still have warranty, so it wouldnt hurt emailing

[sand radish]

yes

[tawdry tree]

Have you tried plugging it into a different port on your pc?

[polar girder]

Never heard of it. Will check it out

[tawdry tree]

oh lol

[exotic inlet]

Then I would contact wooting support, nothing else you could do honestly

[sand radish]

yes different usb ports

[stone flax]

dont get yikb's

[tall hollow]

Wouldn't be worth hand lubing with my 205G0?

[calm pulsar]

these are nice, I love the design and packaging, but they are too wide 😦

[tawdry tree]

Yeah I get it but I don’t really like the execution. The paint is thin and not applied that well. On some keys you can still see through it. I prob will paint them more tbh.

[calm pulsar]

personally tried squeezing them in

[tawdry tree]

You def can, if it’s worth it is for you to decide. Some people like lubing, others hate it.

[tall hollow]

I don't mind lubing, but I only lube switches if there would be a noticeable improvement.

mostly care about smoothness and longevity.

[sand radish]

this is just very upsetting because i waited a month for it to just ship

[tawdry tree]

I haven’t hand lubed mine so I can’t say for sure but I’d think the difference is less than with Jades or Lekkers for example.

Top out sound is pretty clean on Black Knights already

[calm pulsar]

valid point

personally still like solid color sets so... 😄

[tawdry tree]

Do you have a USB C power meter by any chance? 😊

[tall hollow]

I do like the sound, but sound isn't super high on my list of priorities, just want something smooth and stable.

[tawdry tree]

They’re very smooth

Not worth to hand lube

[tall hollow]

Aight

[calm pulsar]

tho actually pbtfans emma looks very very good, and it's also semi-transparent
I dreamed of a set with similar color, but got gmk taiga in the end

[tall hollow]

I've been burnt too much trying to chase sound lmao.

especially on this keyboard last year

[polar girder]

lol ok

Yeah they look nice but also no silicone

I have stock screw ins right now. Just want to try muting effect of silicone

Still waiting for black knight stabs

[calm pulsar]

wait werent you getting sw knights?

[tawdry tree]

With your frog plate you can

I think TX APs would be good too

stab pads as well

[sand radish]

i got it to power on

[tawdry tree]

How?

[sand radish]

idk it just turned on after i screwed everything back in and had it plugged in

[tawdry tree]

😬

[sand radish]

i still email

[polar girder]

Still waiting for black restock

So I’m bored and entertaining options now lol

Those WS 3.1 with the BK matching sparkle kind of crazy tho ngl

[polar girder]

Ok yeah I should prob get these when I grab stabs. Good call

[tawdry tree]

They’re a hit or miss but not expensive at all so good to try

I don’t mind them tbh

[polar girder]

Yeah worth a shot

I did not like that geon switch pad film thing

Basically tape mod to top of PCB all over again lol

Thought it was foam. Was not.

[tawdry tree]

Ah

Doesn’t kbd have a foam switchpad

that covers the entire pcb

[stone flax]

?

like a pcb foam

[tawdry tree]

I think it comes with one of their plate iirc

[polar girder]

Need

[tawdry tree]

lemme check

[stone flax]

Switch pads do the same thing no?

as like a pe foam for the pcb

[polar girder]

Geon PCB Switch Film - 60% / Poron XRD

It even says poron tho

Yeah I got cucked

[polar girder]

Yeah but like individually

☠️

[stone flax]

yeah lol

but like why?

for an he board?

[polar girder]

Note to self poron XRD is not foam

[tawdry tree]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_EH3MkCV @polar girder

[polar girder]

I wanted the foam. Got the film.

[stone flax]

case and plate foam are very diff

[polar girder]

Bruh

I’m aware

https://divinikey.com/products/geon-pcb-switch-film

This is where I ordered it and got cucked

But whateverrrr. I do want foam tho

Like a switch pad foam

[tawdry tree]

Is it not foam at all or just stiff foam?

[polar girder]

Not foam at all

[tawdry tree]

I don’t remember what it’s called when foam has little bubbles

[polar girder]

It’s more like a plastic honestly

[tawdry tree]

wtf

[polar girder]

Yeah idk

Feel duped but I’m also clueless

[stone flax]

its those films that go fully over the pcb but under the plate

like ixpe sheets

[tawdry tree]

yeah ik, I have them in my hm66 as well

but that is still foam

it’s glossy

but you can see the tiny “bubbles” from the side

poron is better tho

[polar girder]

I’ll take a pic/video when I get home

[tawdry tree]

not whatever XRD means

[polar girder]

It’s whack

lol

[spice plover]

@cold bloom hey man my salvation came in i was wondering if i could ask u a few questions?

or anyone with a salv in chat? just wanted to ask a few things on call?

[flat cobalt]

I thought they were gonna look cooler mix and matching the stems I need the dash stems now

[polar girder]

Tee hee

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-them-all-im-going-to-catch-them-im-finding-them-gotta-have-them-all-m-and-j-tv-gif-17887382

https://tenor.com/view/omori-garbo-omori-garbo-garboian-gif-23360820

[fluid ravine]

IXPE sheet? or PE foam sheet

[harsh dove]

Wassup

[flat cobalt]

inb4 the new jades have cooler colors

[spice plover]

i think i installed it correctly

@harsh dove

Just saw some people not install the side ones

[harsh dove]

Yeah looks good and yeah you don’t technically need the ones on the side

[polar girder]

Says XRD

Idfk

Not helpful for me tho

Oh well

[cold bloom]

I am home rn visiting family, can't really do a call, but shoot me a DM and I'm happy to answer your questions there

[cold bloom]

looks pretty similar to the PE foam I got for my salvation from stupidfish but hard to say what it looks like up close

kinda shiny finish looks similar tho

[polar girder]

Yeah I probably received what I ordwred

I just didn’t order what I expected I guess lol

[lilac whale]

anyone recommends a specific keycap for gaming (what i’m tryna say is if it matter if the key cap is rounded or less grippy or does that not matter)

[untold wigeon]

When I was restarting pc gaming after like 20 years on console these really helped to develop muscle memory. Put them on your most used keys. Then take them away after a couple months.

https://a.co/d/1A2u9Xq

[tawdry tree]

Does it have adhesive? Is that what the plastic back is for?

Can you peel the plastic off

[polar girder]

No I don’t think so

Unless I suck

[tawdry tree]

That’s nothing like the switch pad I got or the one that I linked

[tawdry tree]

Ah alr

really odd then

[polar girder]

Yeah I want squishy foam

Yeah I’ll try again cuz I was also curious

Doesn’t make sense for it to have a different finish on one side

[tawdry tree]

Is it squishy though? From the front side

[tired frigate]

If I have an opportunity to buy xrays should I????

For retail too

85 plus shipping

[uneven cradle]

Do you like them 🤔

If so go for it

[barren wasp]

What’s an effective mod to thock/creamy the wooting besides switched

[spice plover]

more tape

[steep cape]

If you have stock caps and a white case I’d go for it

[fluid ravine]

no, it's more ~foam~

[spice plover]

no its more lube

[fluid ravine]

No its no keyboard

[stone flax]

dont be gaslit by big xray

[spice plover]

u win bro

[stone flax]

first it was big thocky ceramic

[fluid ravine]

Nah it's more milk actually

[stone flax]

then cool rgb xray

[fluid ravine]

[barren wasp]

Okay more tape more foam and more keyboard

[spice plover]

honestly biggest things are prob just switches and case

i think key caps are "cap"

barely change soundssss

case is nutssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[barren wasp]

Which cases should I go for

I know black knights are good for thock

[steep cape]

Tofu60 redux is popular

[hollow umbra]

i didnt lube my lekkers but what do you guys reckon would sound better in tofu redux and tape: tofu case foam or wooting original foam

because the tofu one is pretty thocky but I dont wanna change it out for no reason

[barren wasp]

Could do both?

[hollow umbra]

oh that would fit?

alright ill try

[stark osprey]

Honestly like them way more than I thought I would, I'm usually not a fan of minimalist/clean style caps, but this one stands out nicely. Bonus is the shine-thru RGB feature.

[polar girder]

MORE FOAM LESS NOISE

[polar girder]

Didn’t both fit for me

[fluid ravine]

Don't

It wont fit and another thing you would be risking is heat building up overtime

could risk damaging your pcb

[fluid ravine]

Although i hate using buzz words, creamy is mostly based off of the sound of foam and some sound modifier and acoustic foams. It also incorporates using other mods like tape mod and using PE foam (sound modifier).

[quiet bay]

naw ceramic keycaps r a pretty big difference

[fluid ravine]

^

[fluid ravine]

Actually they do

Terms of profile, material, and material thickness and all that yes they do

[fluid ravine]

Great start off would be going with a neutral switch so smth like black knights would be great, some PBT keycaps with the desired profile with a good thickness quality would also be great, cases however would vary I'd say. Plastic does achieve lower sounds than aluminum but can always be done with both. Moving onto the foams and mods, I would use as much foam types as possible like case foam, plate, foam, etc. As for beginners I'd go for foams like the stock foam from wooting or polyfill and poron plate foam would be great as a acoustic foam for the plate and switches. Tape Mod personally would be a recommendation for this build, going from 1-3 layers would be personal based on you, I would try 1 layer at a time to see if which amount of layers you like (Keep in mind that usually after 3 layers there won't really be any change if you keep adding more).

[uneven cradle]

Tbh it's kinda difficult for me to go back to PBT 👀

[fluid ravine]

lul

I can go back and forth any day, would just depend on design cus am a broki so don't got that many boards to play with

[polar girder]

Why

[spice plover]

why

[uneven cradle]

Just feels and sounds off to me

[fluid ravine]

how so

[stone flax]

pbt has a place

Thick 1.7mm pbt for naturally higher pitched builds can help tune it down

[uneven cradle]

Im tryna make my keyboard clack

[fluid ravine]

Then don't use it

Really understandable at that point

[quiet bay]

me t h o c c

[fluid ravine]

Shut up, you know damn well your board is 80% "creamy" and 20% "thock" based off what you said >:(

[quiet bay]

STHU