🔧│keyboard_modding

[median spade]

is the name for it

Yeah it's an old cherry layout

I am full aware as someone who owns geon boards

It would be called a 60xt with numpad

[pastel vigil]

Ansiso is the only good thing about this

[median spade]

or glorified artisan holder on the left as most people use it

[pastel vigil]

Artisans are so ugly when its overdone

[median spade]

at so?

Here is a couple references for you:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120409.0
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/tk2w4d/xt_best_layout/
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=120166.0

60xt with numpad like I said

Is english not your first language or something

[harsh dove]

Truth

[median spade]

60xt is short for extended 60%

i said extended 60% with numpad

The specific one that Geon was replicating is the IBM AT keyboard, but i said the layout is known as 60xt with numpad

I'm generally confused what you even mean lol

Correct as Geon named it w1-at after the ibm model

But the layout is also known as 60xt with numpad

Google 60XT or look at the links I sent you and you'll see mulitple 60% boards with the left hand side 2 row column

Yeah because a full size keyboard is not a unique layout

You can't walk in to walmart and buy a 60xt or a w1-at layout

pretty much goes by whatever the person who introduced it named it, and the IC on geekhack when it first got showed was called 60xt

the 60xt....

[abstract karma]

alumaze or tofu redux someone help me decide

[iron bear]

Preference, this is Alumaze vs Tofu v1 angle (No feet on the Tofu)

[sour blade]

whys that copper corner rounded

oh wait thats wood

[iron bear]

Yeah it's the walnut tofu

[pastel vigil]

whatever you think looks coolest

[polar girder]

Bro is tweaking

[median spade]

tofu with brass weight if you like the look

[sour blade]

it looked like it was reflecting wood pattern of the table

lmao

[pastel vigil]

A lot of the "what case/keycaps/switches should I buy" questions are so weird to me. It's like asking someone else what drink to get. How am I supposed to know what kind of drink you are craving atm?

[median spade]

Should I get code red or voltage

[sour blade]

it would make more sense if it was performance instead of

preference question

actualyl that might be based af
"tell me which one will impress other people the most"

i might go around asking that

[median spade]

buying clones then making sure you tell reddit you bought clones instead of gmk answers that question best

they eat that up

[sour blade]

"i dont actually care about my experience, please tell me what i should buy that would impress other people the most"

:based:

[median spade]

@stray tiger have you used your q1he in depth yet

curious if they got good software or just another L

[obtuse fossil]

my opinion tofu redux

i like sharp corners and edges so tofu

i have a purple alumaze laying around for anyonme whos intreste d

[median spade]

trade you for another tofu redux but black

[obtuse fossil]

dont give me hope i would xD

[median spade]

are you NA

[obtuse fossil]

eu 😦

[quiet bay]

damn

[median spade]

[quiet bay]

woulda been convenient for both of you lol

[obtuse fossil]

[median spade]

[pastel vigil]

[median spade]

Want to try the alumzae but not necessarily buy one

[median spade]

[pastel vigil]

Doubt you'd like it

[obtuse fossil]

what would be the shipping price ?

[pastel vigil]

if that makes you feel better

[median spade]

I have mine in a freebird60 now so they're probably similar

[median spade]

my experience like 30-40

usd

but hard part is customs on your side, and ez mode me

Here is american customs when importing anything

👩‍🦯

[pastel vigil]

Pretty close, I thought the freebird was better though. So I kept one of those and got rid of the alumaze

[quiet bay]

one of the best things of living in the US 😛

[obtuse fossil]

i dont mind just sending it to u tbh

[median spade]

it's true lol

[obtuse fossil]

i rather send it to you for 30 than make it collect dust here

[pastel vigil]

I think the accent piece makes the acoustics work funny on the alumaze

[median spade]

Well, if you were fine with that I would also just send my tofu redux if you wanted it

[median spade]

like adds resonance or in what way you can best describe

[obtuse fossil]

but fb60 is better

[median spade]

yeah i just want to try alumaze with friction fit

see how it be

[obtuse fossil]

aight ill let u know

ill send it out next week somewhere probably

[median spade]

pirateship, netparcel, etc are some good websites if you want to test some addresses

pirateship might only be US tho

[pastel vigil]

makes it echo? Hard to describe. But it's been a while, that was just the conclusion I came to when I compared it with the freebird.

Friction fit is the way to go 100%

[obtuse fossil]

how does womeone friction fir ?

fit

[median spade]

you put a oring around the pcb and then stuff it in essentially

assembly*

[obtuse fossil]

ow yea didnt know that was called friction fit

[median spade]

yeee

[obtuse fossil]

got tome of those from aliexpress

[elfin garnet]

yeah my resentment towards alumaze grows daily. The accent piece definitely does something to the case. Especially when you use the left side of the keyboard

[median spade]

Is the accent piece brass or alu

[pastel vigil]

brass iirc

[obtuse fossil]

its not alu i think

[velvet egret]

ITS GOLD BARS

[median spade]

[pastel vigil]

It's not a tight fit the way the brass weight is on the tofu

[median spade]

Gold would actually be an interesting test in a keyboard as it's very soft

[pastel vigil]

so my theory is that sound kind of goes in the cracks and gets weird

[median spade]

would make sense as sound will just find wherever to go through

[obtuse fossil]

i think it would sounds so full 😄 like all gold case but raw non processed

[pastel vigil]

And you need to screw the piece down to stop it from moving

so it ends up having wiggle if you don't tray mount

idk it's a weird case all together lmao

[median spade]

it do be lowest on this chart of how fast sound travels through metals

so that would check out

only thing lower is plastics

[median spade]

[obtuse fossil]

what annoyed me the most about the alumaze is that the wristrest ( from wooting) doesnt match perfectly the alumaze is a little bit longer because the accent piece and "keychain"

[pastel vigil]

Drove my OCD nuts but it doesn't affect use

since your hand isn't gonna be wresting under the accent piece

but yeah, even more reason the case is weird.

I think the accent should have been on top and should be part of the case instead of a removeable piece

[median spade]

accent should have been in middle of the board as brass weight

[obtuse fossil]

yea iknow but it drove me nuts because i would center the wristrest and i would have these small gaps on each side and also it didnt really look good with the bezels of the alumaze

[pastel vigil]

It also makes no sense that you get a white and black strap with it, because it doesn't really match any of the cases

Like your case is gold and blue, why you need a white and black strap for it? And if your using a black or white case with black or white keys, then the accent clashes.

Idk, I really wanted to like it, but it just didn't make sense the more I used it and tried to customize it.

[obtuse fossil]

i think there shouldnt be an accent on the wooting xD maybe a weight ? but yea also the price is also not ideal for what you get

[pastel vigil]

I even bought a prebuilt JUST for the yellow strap thinking it would bring the gold accent together on the black alumaze but nah

[obtuse fossil]

i like thew strap very much to be honest i think its so cool but its more in my way than anything

[median spade]

I like it to swing around and break monitors with it

[pastel vigil]

I'd like to see a case with the strap on top instead of the sides

[median spade]

or when I bring my 60he to lan it doubles as a weapon amirite

[obtuse fossil]

anyway bro ill hit you up for your info and ill send it to u next week somewhere probablyt

[pastel vigil]

I like to put my numpad on the left, so strap gets in the way

[median spade]

someone tries to rob me just wack em with it

[median spade]

[pastel vigil]

The wooting SelfDefenseHE

[obtuse fossil]

have fun with it 😄 i hope you hate this just as much or even more than the layout of the wooting

[median spade]

impossible

only other thing on that level is the Dolphin 2021 keyboard that killed my interesting in keyboards for a while

[obtuse fossil]

the case will just add to the symetry kekw

[median spade]

[harsh dove]

The 45HE and the BuckshotHE

And the AR15HE

[polar girder]

F’ing 100

[harsh dove]

Accent should’ve been made of tungsten so the keyboard was heavier on one side

[pastel vigil]

Gotta stay strapped, keep that wooting in a holster.

[fluid ravine]

It should be exactly the same as you can see it in the picture, but if you increase the angle with the adjustable feets, then the top rows will sit higher (as in there is more of a steeper slope to the board)

No I dont own a Alumaze, I have a GH60 normal profile case (A tofu v1 clone)

I have cherry profile keycaps

The stock keycaps are OEM profile

it wouldnt really make a difference I assume

Cus from my understanding, in order for the bottom row to sit higher is either having the top slanted/sloped more downwards rather than increasing the top row to make the bottom row more "lower".

I'm not really good at explaining but this is what i mean

[pastel vigil]

The higher the angle

The lower that row will be

[fluid ravine]

thx

[pastel vigil]

Because its slanted

But its negligible

Thats oddly specific am not sure anyone has factored that in when making a case tbh

[sour blade]

just for context the angles are measured like this

this case is the perfect example lel

5 degrees

[fluid ravine]

Yeah like FENIX said thats really specific, you would also have to think about how it's sitting in the case and the keycap profile for it as well.

[cedar gate]

Out of curiosity what is your favorite rgb preset from wooting

I like inferno

[sour blade]

inferno for my black build

[pastel vigil]

None 😎

[sour blade]

its mostly because red reflects better off all the materials

[fluid ravine]

Just have purple backlit with tachyon for my rapid trigger

and AOE with purple as well

for typing

[cedar gate]

I get that I don't like rgb a whole lot either I mostly just use it cuz it's there

[pastel vigil]

If I could id pay extra for a no RGB version, i hate it that much 😂

[cedar gate]

Just turn it off lol and get keys that don't need rgb

[pastel vigil]

It bothers me knowing its there

[cedar gate]

Install keys south facing

Put in a black plate

And get some pbtfans your rgb is gone

[pastel vigil]

I have a black plate already 😂

[cedar gate]

Like legit gone

[pastel vigil]

I don’t need help, it’s fine. Just tired of everything having RGB on it.

[cedar gate]

South facing makes the biggest diff

[sour blade]

im going to @ you every day and remind you

[pastel vigil]

I just dont turn it on I dont need to do anything else

[sour blade]

😈

[cedar gate]

Yeah It does get old quick but ig some people love it

[pastel vigil]

I dont check my mentions

[sour blade]

shit

[cedar gate]

He prolly does he's just saying that so you don't bother lol

[pastel vigil]

I also don’t check DMs

[cedar gate]

Who doesn't check dms

[pastel vigil]

I only check them if I have specific reason to

Nothing important is for me there nor do i want to entertain the dozens of random questions from people i share servers with

Too much spam

People that know me like that text me they dont discord dm me

[harsh dove]

Finalized my Frog Mini build I think

[velvet egret]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

lemme peak

[polar girder]

Yooooo

[harsh dove]

GMK keycaps
POM plate + Jades + 70A tadpoles
Silicone pad
No case foam
No tape mod

Tx ap screw in spacebar

Wooting plate mount stabs for the rest

[polar girder]

Why ap for space?

[harsh dove]

Cause I’m weird

Basically I was tryna out a bunch of diff stabs that I have

And just used whichever sounded best

[polar girder]

Right on

[harsh dove]

Cause I didn’t wanna spend time tuning

[sour blade]

try uhmwpe stab tape mod with tx ap

[polar girder]

I have tx ap stabs in case so just curious lol

[cedar gate]

Is this space bar bad?

Volume on full for most authentic experience

[pastel vigil]

What case color and keycaps?

[harsh dove]

I have Silver Frog Mini with GMK SYMBIOTE

[marsh saffron]

thats clean

[cedar gate]

Is it that bad

It sounds like a glock with a 50c silencer

[polar girder]

SOUND TEST WHEN

looks sick dude

I already know it sounds clean AF

[harsh dove]

lol I’ve been meaning too just been busy and then when I get home all I wanna do is game

[sour blade]

so your custom plate is going ot use its tadpole mount system thing?

[fluid ravine]

Can I borrow :D

[harsh dove]

Yes

[sour blade]

interesting

[harsh dove]

Those little holes around the edge of the plate are for tadpoles

[harsh dove]

Sure

[pastel vigil]

Yall making me wanna buy a frog mini

[elfin garnet]

as soon as I find someone who makes an ISO plate for it I will lol

[pastel vigil]

Reject ISO, embrace ANSI

[somber roost]

I’m switching from iso nordic to ansi with the 80he

[pastel vigil]

based

[elfin garnet]

how are u gonna use æøå

[somber roost]

I barely use those on my desktop anyways bc the main use case is programming

[lilac island]

is anyone using AP stabs on their 60 he plate mount and have trouble with the spacebar not returning back up when pressed ?

[somber roost]

But besides can still use em if I change the os language

[pastel vigil]

Yes

I just put the stock stabs back

[harsh dove]

Try to mess with it a bit

[sour blade]

metal plate or pc plate

[lilac island]

yeah im using ap for all other and stock for spacebar

[lilac island]

metal

[harsh dove]

Swap stab housings around, swap stems, try a different space bar, make sure it’s not over lubed

[elfin garnet]

true but I think it would annoy me if keys pressed was not correlating with whats on the actual key dno

[harsh dove]

@lilac island

[lilac island]

ok

[sour blade]

yeah do cam's advice

[lilac island]

its not lubed at all

[harsh dove]

Interesting

[lilac island]

i wpied all lube off

[harsh dove]

Try the other things I mentioned

[lilac island]

i think its the spacebar keycap

[sour blade]

could also be wire bent

[somber roost]

Yep that’s fair. I’ve just gotten used to it having used another board for a while

[sour blade]

or that too yeah

[lilac island]

i tried another keycap juts now and its ok

[harsh dove]

What spacebar is the one that’s not working ?

What brand

[lilac island]

the wooting stock one

[elfin garnet]

would be cheaper to buy keycaps tho, thats the upside

[harsh dove]

And the one that is working is what brand?

Either way seems like your stab is fine

Just keycap tolerance

[stray tiger]

@median spade

[somber roost]

Ah yea iso nordic is a rare find from mainstream brands lol

[lilac island]

nicepbt cannon keys

[harsh dove]

Sweet sweet liber tea

[sour blade]

what are the yellow ones 👀

[lilac island]

I think its the stock spacebar keycap the mounting holes that mount to the stab is slightly off in relation to the stabs themselves therefore pushing the inner housing against the outer housing causing the key to not return up/jamming

[sour blade]

i had to sand down my pc plate to get tx ap to work :shrug :

[lilac island]

what lol which part did you hvae to sand ?

[sour blade]

whichever side the pc plate was pushing stabs too much

[pastel vigil]

Akko HE

Am really excited to hear about the Sticky Rice

[harsh dove]

Akko cream yellow he

[sour blade]

thankyou thankyou

[pastel vigil]

and how the top housing swaps go

[lilac island]

oh god, not sure if i wanna try that

[sour blade]

not with your metal plate lmao

with pc its fine

tight tolerances = more work = better result

[lilac island]

yeah ill need electric sander !!

[sour blade]

lmao

--
guys
4k hz polling isnt necessary always better than 1k right?
latency can still be high even if you are on 1k, correct?
what about different scanning methods, ive heard scanning methods vary between different HE board implementations

[harsh dove]

Just go watch Optimum Techs video on it

[sour blade]

ik some of the implementations are terrible

when trying to copy wooting

[harsh dove]

Well most have 8K polling but not 8K scanning

It’s usually like 3k scanning

[sour blade]

i see

usually for mice/monitors theres a lot of latency testing work done so im curious if theres data out there

since theres quite a lot of HE boards now

[harsh dove]

https://wooting.io/post/wooting-80he-the-true-polling-rate

Wooting also explained it here

[median spade]

FINALLY

[sour blade]

yeah

might need to see some testing for different boards

for mice and monitors theres always a lot of data

[harsh dove]

Yeah it’s a rabbit hole forsure

Most people are fine with 2k polling

2-4K

[polar girder]

For mice?

Dpi also matters

I use 3200 dpi at 4k polling for best value performance

[old swallow]

i still use my mouse on 1K lol, even tho i can do 8K (soon)

[polar girder]

8k diminishing returns

[harsh dove]

Yeah even 1k is still fine

It’s all diminished after like 2-4K

[polar girder]

Monitor refresh rate also matters

Right

[harsh dove]

Yeah

And cpu

[polar girder]

It’s not big regardless

Yeah

[harsh dove]

Yeah if you don’t have a high refresh rate monitor , no point in buying a high polling rate mouse

And if you’re not fully utilizing that refresh rate aka getting 240-360fps or more

[polar girder]

1080p/360hz, 3200 dpi/4k hz polling

lol yeah dude 1% lows matter

[harsh dove]

Yep

[polar girder]

I’m 1% lows obsessed

[harsh dove]

Same tbh

[old swallow]

for mice, shape and weight are a lot more important then internal specs nowadays, anything thats newer then a few years will be top of the line sensor and buttons pretty much

[polar girder]

.1% lows obsessed actually

But yeah. Need smooth and quick AF lol

[harsh dove]

People don’t realize that’s what actually makes the frames feel smooth

[polar girder]

Yeah frame time consistency >

[harsh dove]

I’m always running Riva Tuner lol

[polar girder]

lol yea

I think I’m set at 351

2-4k/240hz prob more than adequate for most tho

[sour blade]

"Guys, I think I'm addicted to Settings Benchmarking"

[polar girder]

Even 1k/240hz lol

[polar girder]

Well you don’t have to run the overlay lol

At least I never do

I just use RTSS to cap frames

[sour blade]

is it a superior way to cap frames without affecting how fast your gpu generates new frames?

[polar girder]

Huh?

It helps with pacing

It can increase your lows because you’re highs aren’t as drastically as high

So it’s more consistent

Your average or fps highs may decrease but your lows may improve

There’s different ways you can do it. Games have them also. I just stick to RTSS frame cap and game unlimited

[marsh saffron]

I use radeon software to cap fps and unlimited in game

[polar girder]

I tried to use the op1 8k to decrease latency but couldn’t get used to the shape

[marsh saffron]

I found it far more consistent with 1% lows than capping it in game through steam launch options

[polar girder]

Yeah that’s another way to do it

Nice

[marsh saffron]

I didn't even know riva tuner could cap fps

[polar girder]

Had to go back to the wireless vv2 pro 🫠

[median spade]

I’m hardcore on the latency too so I config/engine cap

Then do control panel or others if needed

[harsh dove]

Definitely

[sour blade]

im more concerned about latency instead of consistency

just need the card to pump out frames faster for my monitor to try and display

[marsh saffron]

Having a consistent frame time is much better than one thats jumping around between low and high

[sour blade]

which means usual methods of capping fps actually reduces the amount of frames my gpu is going to generate

ok

[marsh saffron]

Same story with mice polling rate

[sour blade]

thats your use case not mine

my 1% lows are never below my monitor's refresh rate

[marsh saffron]

That doesn't mean your frame times can't be all over the place

Especially if your 1% lows are above refresh rate, more consistent would technically feel the best

[median spade]

rip the goated shape

[harsh dove]

How’s the VV3 treating you ? @median spade

[median spade]

I returned it

Too long for my grip

[harsh dove]

Mmh

I’ll keep that in mind

[median spade]

I only got 18x9.5 hands tho

which is average

[marsh saffron]

I'm still surprised I can comfortably claw the beastx mini

[median spade]

17.85 if im being spot on

[marsh saffron]

20x10cm hands claw on beastx mini is wild

[median spade]

kind of crazy tbh

that thing is tiny

[marsh saffron]

I'm using every single end of that mouse

And my pinky sometimes just hovers

[elfin garnet]

what are u guys playing mostly anyway

[marsh saffron]

Apex

And r6

[median spade]

Apex, OW2, and valorant

[harsh dove]

None of the above

[median spade]

Mostly just apex tho as it makes everything else feel like garbage too me

gunplay and movement is too good in apex

[marsh saffron]

Same

Especially for controller

[somber roost]

Apex movement is nice, I heard it’s similar to satisfactory

[median spade]

Controller

[marsh saffron]

I play both

[elfin garnet]

i love apex but never played it consistenly because my friend and I lack a third so we tilt with third random lol

[marsh saffron]

Roller too op, my wrists are bad

[median spade]

[marsh saffron]

Can't beat em join em ya know

Even though I can beat them

[median spade]

I refuse, I did it for 2 days and it was just like lol

Also find it boring

Damage output was more consistent of cousre, but I didn't find it fun and I like doing movement too much

[marsh saffron]

I've been on roller a few months and my aim clears my 8 years of kbm by an order of magnitude

[marsh saffron]

I can still do movement on roller aside from lurch stuff

So I find it fun

[median spade]

Yeah there was a study or dev I can't remember which

[marsh saffron]

And it's a lot less stressful

My tremors don't affect me when I play roller

[median spade]

and 1000 hours of mnk is equivalent to only 50-100hours on roller

[marsh saffron]

I have like 20-30k hours on kbm

[elfin garnet]

roller is for kids

[marsh saffron]

In less than a month I was out aiming myself on roller

[median spade]

I mean of course

If I was already doing better in 2 days then can only imagine

I will say I grew up on roller though so it's not totally fair comparison

[sour blade]

controller

[marsh saffron]

Same it's not like I'm a noob

[sour blade]

🫢

[marsh saffron]

But I didn't touch it for 8 years

Other than fucking Forza

[median spade]

Yeah I still use controller for everything otuside fps too

[marsh saffron]

I still find roller fun but for different reasons

[harsh dove]

Any souls likes, controller all day

[marsh saffron]

It's hilarious when roller does roller things and absolutely aimbots

[harsh dove]

Or any, Witcher 3, GTA, Cyberpunk type games

Controller all day

[marsh saffron]

But I also feel bad when neo strafing octanes (my brother included) gets absolutely aimbotted

[median spade]

BuT yOu HaVe YoUr WhOLe ArM

[marsh saffron]

It's hilarious when people are neo strafing/have crazy lurch movement just to get hit for 180

[marsh saffron]

Had someone making that argument on my team earlier

[median spade]

Understatement

My biggest beef with roller is im human and if I hit for 175 they'll hit for 180 9/10 times more

I miss, and up close roller really doesn't

[marsh saffron]

Yeah it's weird when you don't 1 clip close range

That's fucking insane

[marsh saffron]

Like how is AA this op and nobody does anything about it

[median spade]

life, death, and 1 clips from roller using a r99

keeps people playing, thinking their good, and buying skins

all part of the plan

[marsh saffron]

R99 recoil actually makes it a lot harder on roller now

But volt

[elfin garnet]

volt even worse lol

[marsh saffron]

Volt is unreal

[median spade]

yeah volt right now in general just very good

r99 my beloved in the gutter

[marsh saffron]

If you aren't hitting 9/10 shots with volt on roller you actually don't have a brain

[marsh saffron]

I miss it so much

Everytime I try using it, it's just so weak

[median spade]

I try to use it often still but it's always like sigh I win that fight with a CAR or volt

[marsh saffron]

Fuck even the car feels really weak

Smg nerf killed r99/car

[median spade]

[sharp bone]

yall think cerakeys would affect preformance for the wooting

[median spade]

yea

not optimal for gaming

[marsh saffron]

I'm excited wingman is out of care package in s21

[median spade]

slow and heavy

finally too

[elfin garnet]

PK lowkey counters rollerkids up close if you know how to play doors and angels

[marsh saffron]

Thank God I can actually use that gun when I want

[median spade]

wingman been soannoying in care package with those 95 headshots

[marsh saffron]

And it's not just insta killing everything

[median spade]

very true

[marsh saffron]

I don't even like using it, I feel wrong

[median spade]

any shotgun play really

[marsh saffron]

I love the wingman can't wait to use it out of care package

[median spade]

I like peaking for 2 seconds and hit with 2 95 hs to get downed

[marsh saffron]

I hate doing this because it's so easy on roller

I genuinely just don't feel right using it

It's absurd

It's such an easy gun on roller to hit heads with

[sour blade]

i have a solution for you:

just start hacking

[median spade]

even worse when all 3 on a squad had them lol

and it's just like instant down

[sour blade]

wait worng quote reply

but yeah it was suppoised to be someone talking about aim assist

[elfin garnet]

well most people do, in basically any comp game lol

[marsh saffron]

I was gonna say I already play roller I got legal aimbot

[sour blade]

just start straight up cheating!

[marsh saffron]

Wait they are removing the mag from the wingman?

Are they keeping it's 50 damage? And removing the mag to adjust for that?

Also skill piercer removed

[median spade]

Probs will go down to 45

[marsh saffron]

Wingman giga nerfed maybe

No mag, no skull piercer

They are bringing boosted loader back for it though?

[sour blade]

https://youtu.be/N8ZUqT6Tfiw?si=uNmqmUiqeZqHJAaD&t=190

[pastel vigil]

Why did they invent stabs the way they did

Why not just take the space bar, and put dummy switches on the left and right to avoid the seesaw effect

[sour blade]

tldr its consistent frametimes for me,
and even if it wasnt its not worth sacraficing performance, especially when my lows are double my monitor display fps

[median spade]

Because then life would be good

[pastel vigil]

Nah we'd still be living in a dystopia, but without stab headaches

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

If stabs were never invented

[median spade]

[stray tiger]

https://ryan.norbauer.com/journal/the-stabilizer-problem/

[polar girder]

OW2, CS2

[median spade]

About to be $100 for stabs because it’s Norbauer

[polar girder]

lol you sent vv3 back?

What now??

[median spade]

Yeah too big for me

[polar girder]

Op1?

[median spade]

Op1 for life

[polar girder]

lol funny I might sell my op1

Or keep for the PCB and mod

[tawdry tree]

cause they wouldn’t stabilize 😅

[median spade]

I use the 8k and also have a modded Op1we

[polar girder]

Want to try vv3

Also have a M3K modkit I need to put together still lol

[median spade]

Vv3 is like a perfected GPx shape if you’ve used one

[polar girder]

No never have used gpx

[median spade]

[polar girder]

I went from g703, Kone pro air, dav3 wired, vv2 lol

Thought I was a big ergo guy for a while

[pastel vigil]

Why do we need such huge keycaps anyways, caps and tab are a good size and they dont need stabs

[tawdry tree]

We don’t. But standards are hard to change.

[fluid ravine]

I went from a office mice, hyperx pulsefire haste wired, and currently hyperx pulsefire haste 2 wireless

lol

[stray tiger]

He had the prototype at Keycon when he presented this information during his breakout session

[fluid ravine]

tried the gpx but then returned it

dont ask why

[stray tiger]

Why?

[median spade]

This is a whole essay on stabs lol

Norbauer never change

[stray tiger]

And the stab is amazing (or so everyone said) I wasn't able to attend his breakout

[median spade]

He hasn’t missed before so not surprised

I almost bought a heavy grail at one point

[fluid ravine]

While it was one sale, my dad said it was a scam

[stray tiger]

Dude spent $100k reinventing the stabilizer. Said they would only be for his boards initially but then available to all

[fluid ravine]

and said it felt light and felt cheap as shit

😂

i got it for $110 during that time

the gpx 2 wasnt out

iirc

[stray tiger]

The real Thockfather

[median spade]

That was a good read

I skimmed over some of it but yeah

Norbauer man what a legend

Those stabs are going to be like $50 minimum lol

[stray tiger]

For sure they won't be cheap. He said prototyping is done, just needs to buy the final molds which are apparently expensive af

[median spade]

Can’t wait to rebuild all my boards with these stabs

And never worry about tick again

[old swallow]

yooo what, that looks crazy

i kinda skimmed over the article, but thats insane

[marsh saffron]

Hey did you happen to try the sticky rices get?

[stray tiger]

They arrived today. Will try them out tonight most likely

[surreal hound]

Hi, where can I find the list of all the compatible keyboard cases?

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

Surely

[quiet bay]

When it releases I'll make it my second pair of stabs I've ever bought (if it's plate mounted too..)

[tawdry tree]

Doesn’t seem to be

[median spade]

I mean that read up and design

If there is tick would actually be something else lol

[quiet bay]

damn I dont really wanna get a 60HE+ just for the stabs 😔

[old swallow]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[surreal hound]

thanks

[tawdry tree]

We’ll see. It looks more like an art piece rather than something that holds up in practice but maybe not.

[pastel vigil]

Whats wrong with your stabs?

[quiet bay]

well 1, one of them has hot glue in it on accident

[tawdry tree]

hot glue as lube, holy this guy

[quiet bay]

2, my backspace is wonky

[pastel vigil]

Did you think it was lube damn

Just get gateron stabs and u are gtg

Why buy a whole module

[median spade]

Well, that would be accurate to say with Norbauer

[quiet bay]

noo my dad hotglued the stem back onto my keycap cause it broke off

but then I put it back on and I didnt realize it wasnt fully cooled yet

so all of that glue

dripped down 🗿

[pastel vigil]

[tawdry tree]

Well, I hope it won’t be solely art as he seems to have invested a lot in its functionality. 😄

[pastel vigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1ci22t7/default_stabs_vs_new_stabs_designed_by_ryan/

[median spade]

All his past works have been great

I have absolute faith

[pastel vigil]

Am buying like 4 of these on day 1

[median spade]

it's beautiful

I give him props to as he's not really a MX user, and mainly Topre

Okay now put Norbauer on HE stuff and he'll make it sound good 💯

[marsh saffron]

W hopefully they work great

[fluid ravine]

Why is TX AP stabs weird..
I removed the dieletric grease from the wire, and all of the sudden, boom
rattle free

dafuq

[median spade]

They are very sensitive to lube due to tolerances

so if you do too much that happens sometimes

[fluid ravine]

I mean even if they rattle they sound fine

l,ike it still sounds good if you know what i mean

the good rattle xd

[hybrid cairn]

whats the best place to buy WOB keycaps? i would preferably like them to be shipped quickly (within a week) im in california

[tawdry tree]

Very promising! I’m still worried about its durability as they aren’t meant to be lubed or would be very difficult to lube right? Also dust and debris is a thing which would be a nightmare to clean, even more so if lubed.

[polar girder]

Stock stabs def not grease sensitive

I accidentally put way too much in and was tired and only scooped a wee bit out but there’s still a bunch in there

Not too much difference from the ungreased ones lol

[tawdry tree]

maybe there’s still a thin layer of grease left?

and grease doesn’t help APs in my exp.

[tawdry tree]

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[untold wigeon]

would Kbd’s plate B work with the wooting?

[hybrid cairn]

whats the best place to buy black double shot PBT WOB keycaps? i would preferably like them to be shipped quickly (within a week) im in california

[fluid ravine]

Nope
I greased 3
Fully removed them (cus I'm like that) and yeah greased didn't help in my exp as well

[stray tiger]

Streaming in 5min. Going to listen to these switches

[quiet bay]

oo what switches?

[quiet bay]

:0

sticky rice switches pls c:

[stray tiger]

There are some in there

[quiet bay]

yee I see

[hybrid cairn]

those look tasty

[quiet bay]

would try 💯

[hybrid cairn]

frfr

whats the best place to buy black double shot PBT WOB keycaps? i would preferably like them to be shipped quickly (within a week) im in california

[stray tiger]

Amazon

[hybrid cairn]

didnt know they sold those on amazon, sweet man thx!

[hybrid cairn]

aw man the amazon ones arent the quality ones like the wuque and kbdfans ones

sadge

[stray tiger]

You didnt mention that in your request

[hybrid cairn]

yeah that was my baddd

i keep forgetting that not all doubleshot pbt is made equal

well it is what it is, ig ill js have to wait a while for them. would you guys rec me buy those WOB caps from wuque, kbdfans, or somewhere else? basically who sells the highest quality ones

/ has the tightest quality control

[stray tiger]

https://www.twitch.tv/thethockfather Testing 4 new HE switches tonight. Come hang out!

[fluid ravine]

The gap with a normal MX top housing on Sticky Rice

[cedar gate]

What are your favorites so far

[median spade]

Raw HE sound test at timestamp

https://www.youtube.com/live/wS8b5GZKskE?si=d5Ad4odHBZA7GcGX&t=3759

[tawdry tree]

First time seeing someone press space with their index 🤣

[stray tiger]

haha just noticed that too

Thanks for tuning in gents. If you see anyone asking about the sticky rice switches, let them know its still not suggested at this time.

[fluid ravine]

EVERYONE DONT BUY STICK RICE AT THIS TIME

done ;)

[stray tiger]

@median spade https://youtu.be/Hwwtcn1CmfE?si=3Ad7I1N2y47HsYa0

[marsh saffron]

Unfortunate

[elfin garnet]

IRL pics of GMK Cosmos coming soon 🔥

[hearty panther]

I bought these to burger mount

Should I use the wooting screws or do you think I should use the screws that come with the tofu redux?

[paper bloom]

The tofu screws is short

Its a lil longer than the wooting screws but it wont fit a burger mount

M2*5-6

^Is the screw

The chances of u getting a new screw is also do able but id recommend not to get too much

[hearty panther]

This one?

[paper bloom]

Yes

But the problem is

Its 50 pc's

Tf you gonna do with the remaining 45 LOL

Even if the MOQ is worth it per say its still insane stock

https://www.amazon.sg/gp/product/B00ECTNYOY/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A78PUD8UBC03E&psc=1

@hearty panther im getting this since the rest of the MOQ for the flat head screws are like 100 pc's

20 pc for a washer makes sense but screws is too insane

Any flat head or hex head is still ok from my understanding so long as it isnt TOO off for clearence wise

But id recommend the philips

[ocean ocean]

Would an 18mm spring on a switch that defaults to 16mm change the force to press?

[paper bloom]

If u do a spring swap yes

18mm to a 16mm for length wise is fucking painful

[ocean ocean]

and would there be any problem checking if I made this change?

[hearty panther]

Okok thank you

So the wooting and the tofu redux screws won’t work?

[paper bloom]

Clearence wise

And length wise from my understanding

i can b wrong

[velvet egret]

@elfin garnet Geonworks shipping is crazy fast. Frog mini estimated to get deliverd may 7th 😮

[high nymph]

Tofu screws will work if you Burger mount with the washers shipped with the wooting module. Anything larger than that, it will not work

[paper bloom]

Arent those washers stickers?

[high nymph]

They are, but they serve the purpose

Just don't overtighten them

[paper bloom]

Those are slight dampners from what i checked

But ig it works

[high nymph]

Silicon rings will never give you the floating sensation of gasket mount

They are meant to dampen contact between pcb and case

[paper bloom]

Thats what i intend to do

[paper bloom]

I might as well get a frog mini or a salvation if this was the case

Or some other board but The tofu is mine

LOOL

[high nymph]

So far, honestly the most practical metal case I got in any of my 60he is the amazon one. Heavy without the needed of brass plate and more interesting side profile

[paper bloom]

Which one?

[high nymph]

Ymdk gh60 one

NPKC GH60 A60 Heavy Anodized Aluminum CNC Case for 60% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Compatible with Poker2 Pok3r Faceu 60 etc - Grey https://amzn.eu/d/8RsGZGe

[paper bloom]

O

Nice

[velvet egret]

Chat is so quiet when NA peeps be sleeping

[shell parrot]

I got the walnut wood one from ymdk, it's p good quality

[high nymph]

Yes, I also got both the bamboo as well as the walnut. But got tired of those real quick, as they are not very comfortable on the wrists

[shell parrot]

Yeah it's really depending from today to today for me, but overall I got used to it

Sacrifices must be made for the style 😩

[wind karma]

truly quiet

[stray tiger]

Good morning modders

[glossy pagoda]

More of a rocker myself, but we don't have to riot about it like they used to
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/18/newsid_2511000/2511245.stm

[polar girder]

Top of the morning, to yee

[stray tiger]

Hahahaha "The Mods wore designer suits protected by Parka jackets and were often armed with coshes and flick-knives. They rode Vespa or Lambretta scooters bedecked with mirrors and mascots and listened to Ska music and The Who."

[elfin garnet]

that's crazy. I have to order asap

[velvet egret]

Yeah wanted to make sure i dont miss out on it this time. btw did you contact the aus company about the iso plate? Also still waiting on reponse from eu company...

[median spade]

Join their discord and ask would probs be quicker

[elfin garnet]

I tried joining the discord channel but the link on their site is invalid for me

[median spade]

https://discord(dot)com/invite/atdjVwRmKS

Remove (dot)

And put normal .

Shows for me

[elfin garnet]

thanks that worked

[velvet egret]

their discord is pretty dead

[elfin garnet]

I see u already asked. Did they reply to u?

[velvet egret]

nope

i also mailed

with more info

@elfin garnet aight littt you responded to it

fingerscrossed we get some reaction

[elfin garnet]

yeah we will just have to see if they respond

[velvet egret]

The only issue i would see is them just asking for the dxf file which we dont have

for ansi all i got is a png/ .step file

[elfin garnet]

https://clackx.xyz/plates/plate-geonworks-frog-mini

wouldn't this work?

[stray tiger]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-design

[median spade]

was about to send one but it's ansi only

[elfin garnet]

check the link I sent. Its FR4 but states its iso and ansi support for frog mini

[median spade]

You need the standoff holes is the thing

[elfin garnet]

there is

[velvet egret]

This is just standard ansi plate no? this wouldnt be compatible with frog mini

[median spade]

Yeah that's just the mx plate file

[velvet egret]

alright yeah that wouldnt work

[median spade]

Weird part is

geon has his own he made for the 60he and it's alu

but only on the korean side of his store and not the international one

[velvet egret]

is there a way to turn .step into dxw? that you know of?

[elfin garnet]

is what I sent not it though?

[stray tiger]

You need that file to get the standoff locations to modify the frog plate file if you want to make your own

[median spade]

Nah it doesn't have the stand off holes for 60he

[elfin garnet]

ah I see what u mean now

[median spade]

I have lost all my plate editing skills or else I would turn this into iso

[velvet egret]

ive never even done stuff like that beyond my level.. theres gotta be a file somewhere out there

[median spade]

this file was just from someone in here who added the holes, closed up flex cuts etc

[elfin garnet]

imma drill the holes myself lol

[toxic knot]

any advice for an important mod to my wooting 60HE+ that makes huge improvment? because i am new in this and was planning to just do main important modifications

[median spade]

stop while you're ahead and don't mod it

[elfin garnet]

#🪛│modding_faq recommend reading this - should give u some insight to ur question

[median spade]

but yeah the modding faq is a good place to start

[toxic knot]

alright, will check it out ❤️

[elfin garnet]

maybe I just need to buy another module but in ansi so I can solve all my problems lol

[median spade]

ANSI will indeed solve most problems with keyboards

guys we will truly know wooting has made it when 60he, and other boards are fully in stock and shipping on amazon

[elfin garnet]

@velvet egret I tagged the admin lol

he responded

[elfin garnet]

just wondering if it would be enough to send them ANSI file and ask for it to be in ISO instead

dno how I would go about getting the file for ISO

[pale sage]

https://twitter.com/wearemaxgaming/status/1785913736219226535 👀

MaxGaming (@wearemaxgaming) on X

Restocking some TOFU60 Redux cases! 📦

https://t.co/FykcMopx42

Twitter · May 2, 2024, 6:06 AM

[velvet egret]

oh nice.. damn their response ended up in my junk box -_- no wonder i didnt see it.

@elfin garnet i send them the .step file maybe they are able to make something work with that for ansi not sure if they are willing/know how to customise it for iso

[stray tiger]

They likely wont do that. But you can do it yourself

If there is a Frog ISO plate file you can add the 60HE standoffs from the 60HE plate file @velvet egret

[velvet egret]

@elfin garnet ^

[elfin garnet]

So I could send them this which is from their site + the file from wooting and they should be able to do it?

@stray tiger

[stray tiger]

You can ask but potentially yes.

Just tell them you need the middle stand off holes added to the Frog plate

Also, the standoff holes need to be countersunk ideally

1. Similar but too broad to answer as there are hundreds of MX switches
2. There are not silent HE switches yet
3. No but people try to mod them at times

[flint silo]

i want to change my wooting keycaps but dont know what brand is good. What keycaps brand do u guys recommend?

[pastel vigil]

GMK and Pbtfans

[flint silo]

thx!

[elfin garnet]

Only the middle stand off holes? Not all of them like here:

[stray tiger]

I called those the middle because they arent on the tadpole mounts along the top and bottom edge but yes you need all of those.

[pastel vigil]

https://omnitype.com/products/gmk-8008-2-keycap-set?variant=37647447654569 Happy Hour $50

[velvet egret]

Why would they need to be countersunk? probably dumb question but i got no clue

[stray tiger]

So that your screw heads for the standoff kit sit flush with the plate. Its not a requirement but it's helpful to make sure none of your keycaps hit a screw sticking up

[velvet egret]

Thanks for the explanation!

[median spade]

They only do laser so countersunk won’t happen

Requires CNC for counter sunk

[elfin garnet]

This plate-chase gives me headache lol

[pastel vigil]

Its preventing me from impulse buying a frog mini

[devout torrent]

I copped immediately when they sent the noti

[brazen sparrow]

Is norbauer going to make his design public or have it implemented?

[devout torrent]

he's gonna do it for his kb first

and has some plans for one for mx keyboards retrofit and what not as well

[median spade]

You’re NA so it’s easy

Get frog buy from hypekeyboards

Profit

[pastel vigil]

👀👀👀👀

[median spade]

Buy plate*

But yeah he has his plate file that’s super good

It’s what CAM has from me in the frog he got form me for the POM

[velvet egret]

Did the plates come with like the spacers bits in between? or did u have to get somthng like https://kbdfans.com/products/kbdfans-m2-3-countersunk-flat-head-screw-kit ?? @median spade

[stray tiger]

You have to buy the standoff kits

[velvet egret]

is that kinda the deal for all these custom plates?

[stray tiger]

Yep

[velvet egret]

is it nor possible to make the plates with the extra bits?

or just too much of a hassle?

[stray tiger]

No one will do that as it would require specific tooling

[velvet egret]

ah i seee

[robust basin]

are ws dash switches or sticky rice switches able to be used on wooting 60he?

i saw a video on them both. any more info would be helpful

[obtuse fossil]

both are fine to use on the wooting im using the ws dashes right now

[median spade]

I bought srandoff kit yeah, but hype also has them which is cool

[median spade]

Sticky rice are a no go

They do not work well

If you want dashes get Jades off aliexpress as same exact thing and you can get 70 for $45 instead

Here is link for $43 jades:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrTGqn0

[harsh dove]

Did tirade test them again?

[median spade]

Yeah last night

He’s doing analog tester today but already they are bad magnets from first look

[harsh dove]

Nice

Feel like that video that guy made of them is a bit deceiving because he doesn’t mention anything about the magnets

And the video title is like “best wooting switches” or whatever

[marsh saffron]

Yeah he got my hyped up for them but I knew better than to just blindly trust the title and came here to see if people tried them

[robust basin]

damn

i originally wanted those lol

[stray tiger]

Did you catch the livestream last night?

[robust basin]

is there any difference in jades vs dashes at all? LED shine, etc.

[marsh saffron]

No I didn't

[stray tiger]

Zero difference other than stem color

[stray tiger]

Yeah it was rough. We had 1 switch that was just actuating on its own without touching the switch and another that would max out at 80% on full press. Plus despite what some comments said you can not swap the top housing with MX top housings (well you can but they wont completely close)

[marsh saffron]

Oh damn so they are completely a mess to use with the wooting

[harsh dove]

Oh and the top housing swap is a no

Damn

[marsh saffron]

Misleading ass title....

[harsh dove]

Yeah and the one from Jaeky

[robust basin]

yep lol

[harsh dove]

Dashes are fine but Sticky Rice is not

[robust basin]

so sticky rice is not an option

[marsh saffron]

Indeed it is not

Unfortunately

[robust basin]

gotcha.

i was planning on getting the wooting module with tofu 60 case and jade/dash switches.

would that work out?

[woeful creek]

it should

[median spade]

Yep that’s what I was using

Mine just in a free bird60

[solemn lotus]

yo someone here got the grey alumaze ?

i just bought drop dcx hyperfuse and the 60he module + alumaze case in grey

[median spade]

Will look good

[solemn lotus]

never spent so much on a keyboard lol

[pastel vigil]

Welcome to the club

[solemn lotus]

hehe glad to be part of it

do the gateron jade switches need to be lubed or is it good enough with the factory lube ?

[median spade]

Good enough

[harsh dove]

Good enough but hand lubing never hurts

[robust basin]

alr alr

i was wanting more of a thocky sound, should i add brass weight to the tofu case or no.

first time doing this lol

[solemn lotus]

k k ty

will see when it arrives i cant wait

[elfin garnet]

@harsh dove do you got countersink holes in ur plates for the frog? And can you use screw in stabs in yours?

[harsh dove]

Yes and yes

[median spade]

Tom is the goat what did I say

[agile grove]

if you want thocky I wouldnt go for jades/dashes

[woeful creek]

tom is the goat, they dm'd me last night clarifying everything for my order, super communicative

[elfin garnet]

yeah im most likely going with tom because then I know that the plate is gonna work

[polar girder]

So frog mini and custom Tom Pom plate is the meta now?

Frick

[indigo ibex]

any one have 70g springs in gateron jades? if so how do they feel

[robust basin]

what else could i do with wooting60 though?

[agile grove]

ks-20us

[robust basin]

the orange ones yeah?

[elfin garnet]

there is one normal one and one that has "Dual rail" behind the name

You want the latter

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-ks-20-dual-rail-magnetic-orange-switch-sat?VariantsId=10779

[robust basin]

gotcha, these work with 60he?

[elfin garnet]

yes

[robust basin]

also is there any videos out there on them sound testing by chance?

[elfin garnet]

https://youtu.be/0cfIbCFVjIo?t=3413

[tawdry tree]

Who was the actual manufacturer of LTPs, Raptors and Hejins again?

[harsh dove]

That’s classified

[pastel vigil]

Testing different things but all of these are the ks20us

@robust basin

[somber roost]

o wow i really like the first one

[pastel vigil]

Thats using a “new” kind of plate foam and moleskin tape mod

[somber roost]

thats it? i thought the modding list would be longer, nice to hear tbh

[pastel vigil]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005707202157.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.5.393f1802gTf1Cm

Using the poron foam from this, you can see it filling the space under the space bar, generally does better job than the stock pe foam if thats the sound you like.

[somber roost]

i see, it looks nice

[pastel vigil]

Other than that, stock case, gmks, stock gaterons, I put washers for the plate and pcb screws. Pretty basic.

[somber roost]

did you hand lube the switches by the way?

[pastel vigil]

nah, stock lube, am just testing them out as is first.

[somber roost]

great stuff, i like it

[pastel vigil]

I'll get to lubing them next week at some point I think, I like em so far.

oh and am using the case foam from that ali link too instead of the stock case foam

[somber roost]

im tempted to do some of those mods when i get my 80he, just have a two he now and dont think thats as modding compatible aha

[pastel vigil]

yeah not much you can do with twohe, just tape mod, switches and keycaps lol

[somber roost]

yep

[pastel vigil]

maybe burger mount

[sour blade]

already have jades
do i try ks20 dual rail

or is it better to wait to test
sticky rice
and akko he

[somber roost]

thats a nice looking keycap set too btw, i should pay more attention to gmk since ive been mostly only looking at a few pbt ones

[pastel vigil]

sticky rice is a dud, avoid them for the time being

[sour blade]

okey

[pastel vigil]

But if you already have jades, you got one of the best, if not best switch, so id hold off until some new switch designs come out

[pastel vigil]

GMK Pharaoh, one of my all time favs

[somber roost]

looks nice cant deny that

[sour blade]

is this kinda pricey for a few pieces of foam

20 for 3 pieces

are those materials that exotic

[pastel vigil]

It's not really anything special

You are just paying for someone else to get the measurements and sizing right for you instead of DIYing it.

[sour blade]

i see

[pastel vigil]

To me thats worth the price

I don't wanna deal with that headache, my time is more valuable.

[sour blade]

wow moleskin actually does sound very nice

i see why you recommend it so much

[pastel vigil]

Thank @harsh dove for the idea, he swears by it and eventually I caved in and tried it. Will be moleskin taping every board I build from now on.

[sour blade]

anything specific i should get if i want to try?

big sheets?

3 inch wide roll?

[pastel vigil]

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B007W9MGLI?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

This is the one I used. Just cut it to size.

[sour blade]

i see tyvm

[median spade]

Me about to buy these ks20u as they are on Amazon

@harsh dove what’s the cheaper ones? White ones on Ali?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Think they’re like $40ish

[median spade]

You have link by chance

Can’t find them

But Amazon has next day for $58 so I’m like hmmmmm

[pastel vigil]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005006625836872.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006878549191.html

These are dirt cheap, has anyone tried them?

[pastel vigil]

Gotta build in mind for these or just picked it up cuz it was too good of a deal?

[median spade]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[pastel vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-dab-gif-15187807

[harsh dove]

Just grabbed em

[median spade]

Hmm is $12 worth over just ordering on Amazon

[pastel vigil]

I'm really tempted to jump on the frog train, if I had some good keycaps for a silver case I might have already impulsed bought it.

[pastel vigil]

Depends on how quick you need em.

Am assuming you have a keyboard to use in the meantime, so why pay extra to try something new out.

[median spade]

Well I don’t need em

Just feel like trying the other go to right now so I can get my own opinion

[pastel vigil]

Save the $12

go buy a burrito with it or smt

[median spade]

Oh Amazon has a 15% discount code now it’s only $8

[old swallow]

buy a smaller burrito

[median spade]

Next day vs 2 week

[old swallow]

[pastel vigil]

same day burrito tho

[median spade]

I did Amazon, forgot I had $10 gc from leaving a review for a jack stand set lol

And they’re peach vs white so obvs had to do it

[pastel vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/you-had-no-choice-ji-the-prine-of-ny-yo-mtv-raps-s1e1-you-dont-have-any-options-gif-25831958

[median spade]

Can’t wait to still use my jades

[pastel vigil]

That's just how it be cuh

"Gateron KS-20 & KS-20U Dual Rail (aka KS-20 2.0) Switches – The KS-20 switches have been confirmed to work correctly without any modifications needed. The KS-20U Dual Rail switches are also likely to be ok."

Are we still waiting on some testing to confirm the dual rails are fine? @stray tiger If so, can I help with that? I'm also interested in grabbing and testing the Heijn switches if nobody is planning on testing them.

[hybrid cairn]

are there any high quality keycaps that i can buy on amazon?

[stray tiger]

Dual rails work fine. I'll update FAQ

Also cleaned up some other switch entries

Also, I've reached out to Geon to see if I can get some samples of the Raptor Raw HE switches (but do have 200 on order either way).

[grave plaza]

has anybody seen aftermarket springs for these that are longer?

I've seen heavier or lighter aftermarket springs but they all seem to be the same height for HE switches

[stray tiger]

I haven't, but what's the need behind longer springs on HE switches?

[grave plaza]

To change the force curve for a more responsive return when the keyswitch comes back

also imo it sounds better for mx style switches at least so I'm curious to see if the same applies for these

[stray tiger]

That's why I asked. I would think for HE you would want as consistent of a force curve as possible but apparently not. As for sound 🤷🏻

[robust basin]

i like the first.

[pastel vigil]

Theres 22mm

[robust basin]

would you recommend jade or the ks20us for more of a thocky sound?

[grave plaza]

for HE switches? can you please send a link?

[pastel vigil]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006583637812.html

[grave plaza]

holy based

[pastel vigil]

I use 55g, I feel like its a really good one because it feels like I have a lot of control over the entire range of a switch

[stray tiger]

Yeah I tend to lean for a consistent press in HE switches (mainly with rapid trigger) but I forget not everyone uses rapid trigger

[robust basin]

does the brass weight make a huge difference in sound?

for the tofu 60

[pastel vigil]

I do use rapid trigger, but I just find longer spring works for me, with normal switches they feel too sensitive at the start and then get more resistant which throws me off when I am using DKS, with the longer ones I can more easily stay within a range or change it for functions like DKS.

[stray tiger]

Makes a difference. Can't say if it's huge or not

[robust basin]

im wondering if its worth getting or not. +$25

im stuck between jade and ks20u switches now

[pastel vigil]

Jades are louder and more "clicky" because of their closed bottom, and they also have a different bottom out feel.

Both are goodswitches, as far as wobble goes.

[robust basin]

so the ks20u are more of a lower sound then?

i think im going to go with those.

should i buy them directly from gateron ?

[pastel vigil]

They are pretty neutral

Gateron or Ali Express is fine

[robust basin]

alright

i might just get both tbh.

where would i get the jades from ?

[pastel vigil]

same thing, gateron or ali express. I personally prefer ali express, can find good deals usually.

[old swallow]

gaterons own site/alixpress/amazon/ wooting (soon)

[robust basin]

alright thanks.

im also going to lube the switches + stabs even though they come pre-lubed. is there any kit you guys would reccomend to buy?

i have absolutely nothing yet

[pastel vigil]

any standard kit should do

the one from wooting is perfectly fine

[old swallow]

i cant speak from experience, but wooting does offer one yea

[robust basin]

so the tool set + lube one

gotcha

[sour blade]

updated this list with gateron raw he

im looking for a 3.5mm switch that isnt jades

[median spade]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[sour blade]

for my next switch