🔧│keyboard_modding

[round sparrow]

You just have to adjust the actuation point

[void hollow]

if the gateron magnetic jades are clicky

im gonna jump down these 25 floors

[untold wigeon]

u cant put pin switches in that shit cuh on hood no cap on a stack no friday night

[quick gulch]

They should be called mahjongs but idk I guess jade is easier to type

they're mahjong jades iirc

[void hollow]

you just made it harder to type

congrats

[untold wigeon]

good

i like abuse

[quick gulch]

I mean that’s the actually product name

[silver pecan]

is the gateron website the only spot i can get em off

[round sparrow]

How's rgb with jades?

[quick gulch]

Greenish

[quick gulch]

Can get them on tb too

But that’s just directly from gateron also

So yea only from gateron atm

[untold wigeon]

do people unironically use RGB in 2023 @void hollow

[void hollow]

i think rgb is stupidly overrated in 2023

[silver pecan]

damn theyre $110

[round sparrow]

Yes i do like rgb

[untold wigeon]

we are 13h away from 2024 don't commit a sin

[quick gulch]

You’d be fkn surprised the amount of people who love rgb

[silver pecan]

u guys sure theyre not trash

[untold wigeon]

they arent 110

[silver pecan]

cad

[untold wigeon]

they are 56 usd for a pack of 70

[void hollow]

what

[quick gulch]

It’s crazy, like everyone saying they need it to type, that’s wild to me

[void hollow]

how are they 110

i get it for about 90+sgd

[round sparrow]

But mostly just 1 colour not some rainbow rgb shit

[void hollow]

sgd = cad

[untold wigeon]

not my fault you got a bad spawn cuh

just be better

[void hollow]

i havent got it yet but u get my point

[quick gulch]

Hmm sounds like you’re getting shafted somewhere

They’re 80 aud for 70

[void hollow]

at least u aint being drafted xD

[silver pecan]

bro how come noone has these switches

are they like new or something

theres like 2 videos

[untold wigeon]

i think all canadians just spawned in the red zone

[quick gulch]

Wdym gateron has them

[void hollow]

all the videos are here actually

[quick gulch]

Like they do be making them so why wouldn’t they have them

[void hollow]

we give more fucks about the sound than most people on youtube do

lemme link you one

[untold wigeon]

we pretend we do, but we use razer keyboards

[void hollow]

Jade vs Lekker Comparison Sound Test:
#🔧│keyboard_modding message

here you go g

[untold wigeon]

all of this is a hoax

[void hollow]

look up

[untold wigeon]

@void hollow i have a question for u

[void hollow]

ye

[quick gulch]

caring about sound

tofu

💀

[untold wigeon]

have you been at the sawconvention?

[untold wigeon]

whats bad with the tofu

[void hollow]

nope no clue whats that

[untold wigeon]

u sure blud?

[void hollow]

im from singapore

[untold wigeon]

read the first 6 letters

u sure u've never been?

[quick gulch]

it exists

[void hollow]

nah i think you should sawcon

[untold wigeon]

nah i think u should

w33b

[void hollow]

d00c

[untold wigeon]

i think ur kinna cute with those purple ass headphones

[silver pecan]

bro they sound exactly like lubed lekkers

[untold wigeon]

no they dont

[void hollow]

no wtf

[untold wigeon]

u pillock

[void hollow]

they literally mimic long pole non he switches

[silver pecan]

bro ill send a video of my keyboard rn

[untold wigeon]

bro they do not

not even tape modded lekkers sound close

u mad?

[void hollow]

real

[crimson sky]

Sounds bad

[quick gulch]

there's so many fkn raptor vids on yt actually

[void hollow]

not even the piss and spit could come any close to jades

[untold wigeon]

can i add u, i have smth to tell u in private @void hollow

[void hollow]

aight

[untold wigeon]

its abt as good as it gets for the 60he without going unreasonable on the price

[silver pecan]

Bro them bitches sound the same

[crimson sky]

Reason is a personal variable

[untold wigeon]

i can literally hear the stem wobble from here

and the chatter

[silver pecan]

i lubed them wrong

[untold wigeon]

get off of the opium

[silver pecan]

thats why i reordered them

[untold wigeon]

lube can not fix stem wobble

[silver pecan]

aight fk it ill just get the jades

does anyone here have them?

[uncut musk]

piss and spit can barely fix it 😭

[void hollow]

CAM

and

DeadlySausage

[silver pecan]

ill just return the shitty lekkers

[void hollow]

he tested the raptors too

[untold wigeon]

why do we mention piss and spit

which gay ass mf in here has a fetish for that

[uncut musk]

yuuna started it

[untold wigeon]

nah

that was tenz 100%

[void hollow]

fr

[silver pecan]

i heard the jades are like the same lubed/unlubed

[silver pecan]

is it worth to even lube

[uncut musk]

was infact tenz

[untold wigeon]

see

i knew it

im never wrong

[void hollow]

u were there even @uncut musk

[quick gulch]

just depends on what you like, factory lube sucks ass imo but some people don't mind it.

[untold wigeon]

the jades are properly lubed

[silver pecan]

am i gonna have to like wipe off the lube bruh

[untold wigeon]

probably why they cost so much

[silver pecan]

so should i even bother lubing?

cause im down for that

[untold wigeon]

unlikely

[silver pecan]

but like

[void hollow]

i dont think you should

[untold wigeon]

the jades were properly lubed

[void hollow]

if you have money to afford the jades

[uncut musk]

my tape gets here tmr

[quick gulch]

no, no you don't have to wipe factory lube off, at worst you would just add some/spread it a little more evenly

[void hollow]

so happy for you will

[silver pecan]

bro the jades arent like that expensive are they

[quick gulch]

but if jades are lubed nicely then it doesn't matter

[round sparrow]

70 bucks

[uncut musk]

IM GOING TO MAKE THIS SWITCHES WORK

[silver pecan]

i mean how much are most switches

[untold wigeon]

no u wont

[round sparrow]

40

[void hollow]

look my point was that like i see them at 90sgd = 90cad

[silver pecan]

are they worth

[quick gulch]

jades are about the same price as any other switch here

[silver pecan]

im boutta get them rn

i need 3 yesses

[untold wigeon]

3 what

[void hollow]

depends on you

[silver pecan]

3 yesses

[void hollow]

yes

[untold wigeon]

no

[silver pecan]

AYO

[quick gulch]

are they worth it, idk bro do you care about how they sound

[uncut musk]

i got 70 l45s for 20 bucks idkkk

[silver pecan]

yes i really do

[untold wigeon]

dw abt me im just a hater

[round sparrow]

Tbf the he switch market is just getting started

[quick gulch]

but you just said that you liked your lekkers

[void hollow]

if you care then go for it

[uncut musk]

I still gotta get keycaps

[untold wigeon]

@void hollow

[void hollow]

unless ur gonna wait for gateron 2.0 magnetic switches

[silver pecan]

nah i dont really like them tbh

[void hollow]

fuck sake

[silver pecan]

thats why i thought i lubed them wrong

[void hollow]

i got them for

[untold wigeon]

❤️

[silver pecan]

i guess ppl are saying theyre just shit

[quick gulch]

yea your choices are to either get jades or wait for gateron to release another revised round

I doubt they'll be any different to jades though, seems like jades are the 2.0 test run but oculd be wrong

[round sparrow]

Lubing magnetic switches isnt gonna make a night and day difference

[quick gulch]

I think normal 2.0 will be open bottom but still

[void hollow]

fuck youuu

[uncut musk]

why

why

why

do

you need

280

[void hollow]

because i have 4 keyboards

[uncut musk]

jesus

[untold wigeon]

wait wha

[untold wigeon]

LOL

[untold wigeon]

good god

[silver pecan]

alr yall

just copped

[uncut musk]

i

[void hollow]

good boy

[untold wigeon]

you really fucked up on hood cuh @void hollow

[silver pecan]

lmaoo

bro i put a 3rd layer of tape mod and i swear its harder to type

[uncut musk]

wait you could just cancel the ones with the module since it hasnt shipped yet

[silver pecan]

is that even possible

or am i just trippin

[void hollow]

no wtf

[uncut musk]

huh

wtf you do to your board

[void hollow]

i think ever since you said they sound the same you're tripping

[untold wigeon]

dont say that cuh, on hood there will be a reckonin with da homies

[silver pecan]

okay yeah makes sense

lmao

so yo should i lube those shitters

[uncut musk]

idk

[silver pecan]

cause ik lekkers make a huge difference lubed

[uncut musk]

find out when you get them

[silver pecan]

do the jades?

[void hollow]

no they dont

[silver pecan]

nahhh they definitely do bro

[quick gulch]

They sound a bit better

But lube ain’t saving them bro

Lekkers are doa

[untold wigeon]

it fixes the spring noise

[silver pecan]

doa?

[void hollow]

ah the spring yes

[uncut musk]

okay so

[untold wigeon]

yo who tf is this wooting guy who keeps posting on my page

[quick gulch]

Dead on arrival

Kai tech is spittin ong

[uncut musk]

my back gonna be dead from sitting there for 12 hours trying to put two layers of tape on either side of 60 fucking switches

tenz is a cruel

cruel

man

[void hollow]

i think you may try having @fluid ravine piss and spit on them for you

[uncut musk]

lmao

[void hollow]

piss and spit mod

[silver pecan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv47LMQMXn8

yo i just realized

this guy didnt even lube them

[untold wigeon]

bro stop with this

[void hollow]

no

[silver pecan]

yeah they definitely are way better

[void hollow]

im meowing with those

[untold wigeon]

if u keep going i'll piss n spit on u thats on hood too

[round sparrow]

They are factory lubed

[void hollow]

im starting to have so many questions if you've watched the video that ive linked

[uncut musk]

😭

[silver pecan]

bro you didnt send a video

[void hollow]

Jade vs Lekker Comparison Sound Test:
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#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[glacial wind]

I’d honestly be curious to see what percentage of people built their wootings in a non tofu or alumaze case

I have a feeling that it’s likely a very small percentage

[uncut musk]

I was searching for hours tbh

[silver pecan]

wait when he says stock

what is he talking about, because he said factory lubed before that and i thought thats the same thing because arent they factory lubed STOCK BRUH

NVM YALL

ohh hes talking about lekkers

wow they sound like shit wtf

[uncut musk]

lmao

[void hollow]

lmao

[uncut musk]

those babies will sound good

[silver pecan]

thank yall for letting me know abt these switches

[uncut musk]

[silver pecan]

ngl ive been tryna get different ones but i thought theyd ruin the performance since theyre not magnetic

[uncut musk]

me

[silver pecan]

but im braindead

[uncut musk]

i

[silver pecan]

cause like there are others out there, just never bothered looking

[quick gulch]

You’re probably right, but I’d argue that like 50% of enthusiast want an he pcb to put in the board they already have. The obvious reasons they won’t is compatibility and sound. Lekker switches suck and there’s only 1 pcb option for he switches atm. I think wooting had a crazy stranglehold on the market for ages, one that they did nothing with and now big players like geon and kbdfans are about to swoop in and take the entire market

Of course I could just be completely wrong too but that’s how I feel at least

Like the alumaze is cool, but the actual 60he sucks ass

[void hollow]

dont worry

lemme show you something

[quick gulch]

But Wootility is the saving grace here, it’s a very good piece of software

[void hollow]

#1106981778117365790 message

[glacial wind]

It’s realistically a very very small market that wants to case swap their wooting into a super premium case honestly

It’s very cool, don’t get me wrong I’d love a wooting tkl inside a super premium offering, but it’s likely a very small crowd that wants to spend $400 to transplant their wooting pcb into a high end case

[void hollow]

can i have 400 dollars to transplant my wooting pcb into a high end case, dad?

[untold wigeon]

sure

[quick gulch]

But the idea here is that they wouldn’t have to. The wooting just have to offer pcbs and support them in wootility.

But I think that margin might be a lot smaller than selling entire boards which it probably is

[glacial wind]

What do you mean? They’d still have to buy the tkl case

[quick gulch]

Yes but the people I’m talking about already have keyboards they want to use

Like I’d love to use my tkl for certain games but I’m here stuck with my wooting because there’s no he88 pcb yet

[glacial wind]

Yeah so they fall into the very small number of super enthusiasts

[quick gulch]

That’s like half of the people who own an enthusiast level keyboard

[austere creek]

tkl has a standard screw layout and pcb dimensions?

[quick gulch]

I’d like to think they game at least

That’s toxic

[crimson sky]

Yes

[quick gulch]

But you know the 60 got most of the way there

H88 is mostly standard though

Just like how the 60he is a mostly standard 60%

[austere creek]

is this a pseudo standard like 60% or do basically all manufacturers of TKL use it

[crimson sky]

The venom literally is that

[quick gulch]

Obviously there’s sensor limitations

H88 is very standard

Most tkls use an h88

[crimson sky]

Not an official standard, but it's easier to point out a few more recent bosrds that don't use it

[quick gulch]

Which is why geons got his venom coming

[crimson sky]

Zoom and owllab boards for example

[quick gulch]

The only boards that don’t use h88 are the ones that use jsts

[crimson sky]

Most use an h87 actually

[quick gulch]

Okay yea you’re right

But same thing haha

[crimson sky]

You can just combine the compat tho

[quick gulch]

Just no f13

[austere creek]

i also meant logitech, razer, steelseries and co

not just enthusiast level companies

[crimson sky]

Guh

[quick gulch]

Okay but I wouldn’t put them in the same bag of fruit here

[crimson sky]

Then it's a no

[quick gulch]

Idk what they have to do with the discussion

[crimson sky]

But why would those matter to wooting

[glacial wind]

Honestly I think the type of thing you’re describing is more geon territory anyway. It’s very niche enthusiast kind of offering

[crimson sky]

Kinda their issue

(steelseries apex pro mini is pok3r compat btw)

[austere creek]

was asking to understand if theres an actual standard or if its an enthusiast only thing

[quick gulch]

Maybe I’m stupid but I wouldn’t call this enthusiast

[crimson sky]

Don't think there is a standard outside just full size

[quick gulch]

Like h87/88 is mostly the standard tkl pcb for enthusiast boards

[glacial wind]

This is 100% enthusiast land

[crimson sky]

And even then spacing is not standardized

[crimson sky]

Absolutely

[quick gulch]

Maybe you’re right, but if you can kill two birds with one stone why not do so?

[crimson sky]

But so is case swapping a 60 he

[quick gulch]

That’s what I don’t get

[austere creek]

if we wanna do compat we mostly focus on screw locations, pcb dimensions and usb port location

[crimson sky]

Ya, all of which is standard

[glacial wind]

Scaling out multiple skews of a product as far as stock, inventory isn’t that easy

[quick gulch]

Like you have the 60he that we can put in a lot of cases, but then we have a tkl offering now which is cool but also doesn’t allow people to case swap at all

[glacial wind]

The more skews you add the more it complicates things

[quick gulch]

I wouldn’t call making a tkl with standard layout a product skew

[austere creek]

SKU*

[quick gulch]

But maybe

[glacial wind]

Yeah but you want a pcb enthusiast kit specifically right?

Like geons one

[crimson sky]

What

[quick gulch]

Geons is like actually compatible with most tkls

[crimson sky]

That absolutely is

[glacial wind]

Yeah and geons one is 100% a very enthusiast offering

[crimson sky]

And i doubt you can fit ISO and ANSI on one pcb with he

So you already got 2 skus

[quick gulch]

I think the wooting module does that

I guess in that scenario you just take the most used layout

[austere creek]

all our keyboards are 2 SKUs which is 1 for each ANSI and ISO

and with the 80HE we have 3 base SKUs for the PCB and then more for all the configurations

[crimson sky]

Due to JIS

[austere creek]

correct

[quick gulch]

Hmm

[crimson sky]

Gl with aftermarket caps for that btw

Huge pain

[quick gulch]

I think the 80he uses normal caps

[austere creek]

idk who did the research but someone did twitter detective work and questioning to figure out the most commonly used jis layout

[crimson sky]

Ye, can't do much about it

There barely are JIS caps

I know of one set

[quick gulch]

Oh I see what you mean

[austere creek]

the one that shocked almost all of us (as we arent japanese) is that japanese people dont want kana on the keys

they just want latin letters

[bronze grove]

We did* a lot of research into what other brands offered. Theres multiple JIS standards, and I believe we chose the most commonly used one according to Japanese customers.

[void hollow]

i see anders and i just wanted to say hi

[quick gulch]

That’s pretty funny

[crimson sky]

The safa also supports JIS and just beat the exact layout issue with a ton of bottom row options lol

[austere creek]

ye iirc we asked on twitter and japanese people informed us about their perspective on things

[bronze grove]

Amongst other sources yes.

[quick gulch]

I guess Japan makes up enough of the sales market to warrant all this, wouldn’t have expected that honestly

[glacial wind]

Japan kind of crazy with their recent pc pickup

[bronze grove]

Just a question of population size.

Same with China. Just silly to not try and cater to that market given the potential.

That also means translating our website, and being able to offer support in those languages more natively long-term.

[untold wigeon]

i think we need more details and a sound test on that 80he 🗿

[quick gulch]

Still though I probably won’t ever understand the layout

[glacial wind]

Wait for whatever the add on thing is

[untold wigeon]

i mean its just a 75% but oriented a bit differently

there are 65% layouts just like it

[crimson sky]

They actually had an initial ramp up of peripheral sales because the ps4 started supporting mnk lol

[glacial wind]

I actually wonder if pc cafes going to go crazy in Japan as well

Just a whole sudden change of what the population plays and games on

[glacial wind]

I’m actually most curious to see what happens IF this thing they’re making to go with the 80he turns out to be actually nice

[quick gulch]

What is it?

Or do we not know at all

[glacial wind]

We only have hints that it uses the space near led/arrow somehow and it interacts with the led

If it’s something really neat and it makes the layout look better I could see a surge of orders since people reverse their decision just as easily as shunning it for the layout now

[quick gulch]

Is there a reason it hasn’t been revealed yet ?

[glacial wind]

I imagine they’re not ready to yet. Seems like this announcement was more because they wanted to let people know that new keyboard was coming and maybe we’ll get a proper announcement when founders campaign is actually live

[bronze grove]

We did promise to reveal the keyboard in 2023.

[untold wigeon]

if my module ships on the 22nd thats like 3 days before the 80he campaign

[quick gulch]

Guess there's some finishing touches left.

[bronze grove]

And that just kind of got postponed several times till we hit the "well might as well do it on the end of year stream" point of no return.

Once we're back in office on the 2nd, I imagine we'll start posting more.

[untold wigeon]

imagine not working on christmas and new years

[glacial wind]

Yeah like the 80he page is far from ready even since it’s just a few renders and a small paragraph

I imagine we’ll get a more polished reveal later

[quick gulch]

wait is the 80he using a daughter board

that port looks way too long

[shell geode]

With maybe a scheduled upload of working samples given to content creators

[glacial wind]

Optimum for sure getting it at some point

[austere creek]

yes

[shell geode]

He may even have it already and is filming

[quick gulch]

with a ribbon cable?

is it just to bridge the distance vertically here ?

I'm assuming so

So I'm guessing it's not tray mount then

[bronze grove]

80 is gasket.

[quick gulch]

With tabs?

[austere creek]

theres a lot of details from calder in #🌟│wooting80he pins i believe

[crimson sky]

No, with a silicone sheet similar to the kbd67 lite or u80 seq2

[quick gulch]

ah

[quick gulch]

is the he module plate file up?

[crimson sky]

It's the same as the regular plate i think

[quick gulch]

You know what, I think you're right.

[austere creek]

its modified for plate mount stabs and some standoff changes

at least iso

[quick gulch]

Ofc but should be no ansi changes right?

[bronze grove]

Except for the whole screw stab thing, sure

And the moved around standoffs... and

[quick gulch]

Ah so the standoffs moved

[bronze grove]

Only on ISO 🙂

[quick gulch]

okay, easy so I don't need to get a new plate cut

[bronze grove]

But the stab holes are slightly different to the regular 60HE, to (also)allow for the screw in stabs

[quick gulch]

should screw in stabs not fit anyway

either way, is there a plate file I could take a look at?

[quick gulch]

Nah I swear the ansi plate is the same, unless the pic is lying to me

[wet hazel]

I bought this on Ali, 0.4 mm poron switch 'foam', good or bad idea? It was so cheap for 120 units. Maybe I'll need to set an actuation point of 3.6 mm instead of 4?

[runic widget]

the actuation point stays the same since you put the whole switch on it. The switch just doesn't make direkt contact with the pcb.

I bought the same but don't know if I'm gonna use it or not.

[tawdry tree]

No, the HE sensor is on the PCB, if the switch sits higher than it normally does it might cause issues.

But it’s very thin so I doubt it.

[runic widget]

but isn't it in the middle ?

[tawdry tree]

It’s not a switch film if that’s what you mean.

This sits under the switch directly above the HE sensor.

[runic widget]

i mean the sensor

ahh ok so the sensor is even under that ok

i would have thought that the sensor is also in the switch lol

[tawdry tree]

No, the sensor is on the board.

The switches are just a small magnet and plastic basically

[runic widget]

yeah the steams have the mag. But shouldn't the semcor sit directly under it then?

in the board

sensor*

[tawdry tree]

Yes it does.

The sensor sits directly under it on the PCB but is not attached to the switch

Putting the foam on the PCB (sensor) would lift the switch up slightly I’d imagine.

It could be that .1mm actuation doesn’t function properly.

[runic widget]

ohh ok I see it now pulled a pic of the pcb up

[tawdry tree]

👍

[fluid ravine]

You'll be fine
The recommended thickness is
. 25mm-.5mm

Anything over .5mm will raise the switch causing it to not function properly

[waxen bane]

What does the foam under the switch do?

[fluid ravine]

Ima not go into details but let's just say it tunes or dampens the sound of the switch just a little

[wet hazel]

Yay

[normal schooner]

[stray tiger]

Morning gents

[normal schooner]

goodmorning tirade

[polar girder]

🫡

[lunar sand]

Good afternoon Tirade ÇD

😄

4pm almost here 😄 ehere

[pallid echo]

good morning everyone

[untold wigeon]

Someone halp

[pallid echo]

what u need?

[untold wigeon]

Trying to figure out how many to buy and which for the tofu 60 v2

[fluid ravine]

Morning pops

My dad has turn +1

He old old now :D

[sour blade]

raptor HE or Jade Magnetic?

[quick gulch]

flip a coin

or watch some sound tests

Or you could get 10 of each and find out which you like 🙊

[wet hazel]

Jade more thock, Raptor more clack it seems

[fluid ravine]

Jadeessss

[sour blade]

jades it is then

ty

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

My call hehe

[polar girder]

lol damn and here I am stuck with raptors

I’ll never make big bro proud

[spice herald]

just get switch pads and they’ll be fine lol

[void hollow]

just get switch pads and remember the 0.5mm offset?

[mild geyser]

Is the o ring size in faq accurate?

Says graveshift m, but doesn’t the bakeneko 60 use S?

Question for anyone who used the gummy o ring mount

[frank lark]

Use the m, I bought both and m first better

[mild geyser]

Ty

[polar girder]

I have bakenko ring I think. What is your question?

[mild geyser]

It was answered already, cheers!

[frosty hazel]

does anyone know if the magnetic jades have any performance downside compared to lekker 60s

[polar girder]

3.5mm vs 4mm

Not sure how the magnets differ

[quiet bay]

holy 🤣

[agile grove]

does anyone have jade with polyfill, tapemod, and gummy oring mount soundtest

[normal schooner]

[fluid ravine]

Idk maybe if I had them then yeah

[quiet bay]

bro has everything except for the jades 😂

[untold wigeon]

and a salvation

and a redux

and better keycaps

[quiet bay]

does he need a salvation AND redux? 🤔

[untold wigeon]

absolutely

[sharp yew]

one for click one for thocks

[gaunt linden]

Whats a good set of keycaps? That aren’t bad quality

[untold wigeon]

idk GMK are probably the best, drop dcx is chill too, pbtfans is okish but spacebar sucks and the texture on the keys doesnt last on my end

[quiet bay]

Novelkeys has good keycaps

[gaunt linden]

Great!!! Thank you both

[gaunt linden]

Thats like the travel of the Stem or what is it ? I still dont get it lol

[versed wharf]

The WHITEWOOT 60HE

As I call it

[untold wigeon]

wow thats actually good

what is that mousepad

[versed wharf]

Thanks! It's a razer gigantus v2 I think cyberpunk edition with my nickname on the bottom right.

[untold wigeon]

interesting

i have that mouse but didnt expect razer to do a pad for it too

[polar girder]

Yes

Resting to bottom out

[pallid echo]

very fire, how was the process of painting it? pretty easy?

[versed wharf]

Quite hard for my first time spray painting but easy for someone who knows how to do it

Importanto is that you dont paint the screw holes so I coverde the inside and the usb port hole

[pallid echo]

honestly might try it on my case instead of buying a new one

[versed wharf]

Thing is I love the design on the 60he case becausd it stands out from the overseen and basic rectangle that I surely didnt want to spend 80€ on

...

[pallid echo]

yeah i get you, honestly pretty unique too bc like u said ppl just case swap

[versed wharf]

Yeah I searched everywhere but no one did it before

I thin if they would have made a white version maybe for 25€ more it would have been so nice

[quiet bay]

sadly the alumaze sounds weird

[fluid ravine]

Oh shi I kinda wanna do that in the future

That's fire

[versed wharf]

Actually the alumaze is very unique too but it's still something I didnt really like and didnt want to spend that money on that, plus there is no electronic white sadly...

[normal schooner]

alumaze sounds fine with pc plate

[gaunt linden]

So it doesnt go all the way down like lekkers, isn’t that bad or does it not have any impact at all?

[untold wigeon]

alumaze sounds fine yeah, but i think he is talking about that metallic tone it tends to have

[frosty hazel]

thank u :)

[pallid echo]

can u friction mount with gummy orings in the standard plastic wooting case?

[pallid echo]

nvm it does but does anyone know where i can get a custom strap made?

[bronze grove]

Etsy probably. Or if you know someone who works with fabric.

#🪛│modding_faq has the measurements.

[pallid echo]

sounds good thank you!

[uncut musk]

since im not getting the brass weight for the tofu should i get that shit bad seed used in his first wooting video, the zip and fit

[untold wigeon]

Any good switches come out yet besides the raptors

[quiet bay]

Gateron magnetic jades

[untold wigeon]

Oh shit I didn’t expect there to actually be one

Any sound tests?

Nvm found one on YouTube

I’m buying 👍🏻 thank u @quiet bay

[normal schooner]

[untold wigeon]

[gaunt linden]

Do they work better than raptors or lekkers? Like functionally wise

[harsh dove]

Work the same basically

They have an actuation of 0.2mm - 3.5mm

They use a longer magnet

And have a closed bottom housing

Here’s one of my sound tests with stock Jades

No case foam

[round sparrow]

So can you have 0.1 mm actuation with jades?

[gaunt linden]

Sound good!

[quiet bay]

yes since it's the pcb that recognizes the magnet

[round sparrow]

Yea but arent they stronger?

So you'd have to adjust

[harsh dove]

Yeah it still works

Raptors magnets felt more sensitive aka stronger, idk about Jades yet

[round sparrow]

Aight

I supose rgb with jades is bad

Specially if installed south facing

[harsh dove]

Yeah

Just have to adjust your colors

or use none

[gaunt linden]

What case is that?

[robust bramble]

When I buy the module, is there a foam in the package?

[gaunt linden]

Yes

[robust bramble]

And if I buy the 45g switches, they are pre lubed, right?

[polar girder]

Yeah

[bronze grove]

All of our switches are factory lubed.

[harsh dove]

Salvation

[gaunt linden]

Its that the best case money can buy for wooting?

[harsh dove]

Pfft no lol

Any case is good for wooting really, just comes down to your preference

Don’t need an expensive case to make it sound good

[crystal ibex]

Hi, I ordered a tofu 60 redux and it comes with a film thats between the switches and the pcb. I wonder should I keep the film? Adding the film does sometimes create random keypress or no response. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

[cyan adder]

can u take a photo of thios film because ive got a tofu redux too and i didnt get any of these

[crystal ibex]

its currently installed, basically the a film under switches and above pcb, like it is sandwiched

[cyan adder]

i dont see what u are talking about

it cant be under switches since u had to put ur own pcb and plate from wooting into the case right

[crystal ibex]

its a really thin one

foam pads?

[crystal ibex]

not for wooting but sth similar

[cyan adder]

dude u are so lucky i didnt get this when i received my redux

[crystal ibex]

contact support ig

im not sure if its because of the foam pad, sometimes the keyboard doesnt response to keypress, like completely broken, and replug fix that issue

[pallid echo]

time to paint

well tomorrow but yeah

u guys think i should go white or red? or something else

[torn summit]

bboth

half red half white

[pallid echo]

that would be hard to match but it’s not a bad idea lowkey

[bronze grove]

Your 60HE already comes with this Preinstalled

[quiet bay]

damn that's neatly taped

[pallid echo]

yeah i spent quite a bit of time lol

[uncut musk]

nah the Redux doesnt come with one of those

this is what it is

sorry the white box makes the pic look weird

[crystal ibex]

yea but thas between the switch and plate, the pad im saying goes beneath switches, but above pcb

[uncut musk]

this is the foam pad its talking about im p sure

they give 4 little foam bads that go on these

ii think

[crystal ibex]

no its sth like this but comes with redux as a big one

[bronze grove]

Like I said. Already there.

In between the plate and the PCB.

You shouldn't put anything ON the plate below the switch, since that introduces wobble, which can make sensors misfire.

[uncut musk]

I dont think if seen anything like that in any redux unboxings

[crystal ibex]

I disassembled it to better show what I was referring earlier

[uncut musk]

thats just the pcb no?

[polar girder]

That’s plate foam

I mean yeah he circled the PCB lol

But above the PCB is plate foam

[crystal ibex]

not sure if u were able to see the very slim pad above pcb

[crystal ibex]

yea not the thick one

i have 2, one came with stock, other came from redux

[polar girder]

I can see on the bottom part more I guess

That’s not plate foam that came with the redux

[uncut musk]

yeah

[polar girder]

That’s a case foam

To go in between the bottom of the case and PCB

How the hell did you fit that in there lol

[uncut musk]

the redux only comes with circle foam things then the one that goes between the pcb and case

[polar girder]

I’m so confused

[uncut musk]

whats the link you bought that redux from

LMAO

[crystal ibex]

kbdfans

[uncut musk]

wtf

[polar girder]

What plate is that even

Is that even a Wooting PCB?

[crystal ibex]

yes

[polar girder]

Ok

[crystal ibex]

its a carbon fiber plate

[polar girder]

With KBD plate?

[crystal ibex]

yes

[polar girder]

Gotcha

Yeah idk if all that foam is really supposed to be in between the plate and PCB

Does it work?

[crystal ibex]

yes it works

never encounter sth weird in game

[polar girder]

Yeah I guess it fits then

Whatever works

[crystal ibex]

but really sometimes just random

[uncut musk]

wait

?

[bronze grove]

[crystal ibex]

Yes that one

[polar girder]

Oh it came with the carbon fiber plate then

Not the redux

[uncut musk]

yeah

[polar girder]

Ok

[uncut musk]

i was so confused

lMAO

[polar girder]

That makes more sense lolol

[uncut musk]

i was like wtf

I was double chekcing my box

[crystal ibex]

I thought it came with redux not the plate lol

[polar girder]

Yeah I was like damn bro how you fit alladat in there

[uncut musk]

i was like did i miss something

can you use that shit with the poron?

[polar girder]

Yeah idk if all that plate foam is doing you any favors but if it works and you like the sound, then all good lol

[uncut musk]

yeah

id take the really thing one

out

thin

might be the reason your shit tweaking

[crystal ibex]

No the thing is sometimes my keyboard just don’t response, and replugged the keyboard makes it normal again

I was thinking wether it’s the foam causing this or the software

[polar girder]

Well you’re using aftermarket plate and double the foam

Both my first culprits

[crystal ibex]

🥲

[polar girder]

Yeah just use one plate foam, my g

[crystal ibex]

So better off remove it

[uncut musk]

yeah

[polar girder]

Pick one

[uncut musk]

the foam

probs

if i was a betting man

[polar girder]

One or none

Which ever you prefer acoustically

[crystal ibex]

I see thanks i will try to see if removing that pad would fix

It’s pretty rare and random anyway

[crystal ibex]

Also I don’t know what’s causing this ticking sound when gently tapping the keycaps

[meager pine]

Most likely uneven stab wires is the cause of the ticking (most of the time)

[crystal ibex]

yea i switched wires and problem persists, this is durock stabs

[quiet bay]

unbalanced wires

[quiet bay]

doesn't really matter if both wires are unbalanced

[crystal ibex]

thanks ill try rebalance

[silver pecan]

@void hollow bro the orings are impossible to screw in

theyre so shit

[stray tiger]

Happy New Years fellow modders. May your 2024 be healthy and propersous (I know it won't be propersous in this channel)

[gaunt linden]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/switches/products/gateron-magnetic-orange-linear-switch

Aren’t this the new switches ? @harsh dove @quiet bay

[harsh dove]

It's 1 of 3 of the new HE switches from Gateron

I have the Jades

[gaunt linden]

Oh okay

So its jades, the ks20’s and these?

[quiet bay]

https://kbdfans.com/products/holy60?_pos=1&_sid=5f7c7db33&_ss=r scroll down for sound test

[gaunt linden]

Thank you!

You Can only buy it with the kit ?

I hope everyone has a happy new Year!

[quiet bay]

no you can buy it separately

which ones do u want

I don't think 2.0 ones are released separately yet actually

[gaunt linden]

Im not sure yet If i should go for jades or wait for 2.0

[silver pecan]

ayy just did the o ring mod

its supposed to sound quieter right?

definitely does

[harsh dove]

I would only go for Jades if you want that specific sound

otherwise wait for dual rail or something if you just want reduced stem wobble

[silver pecan]

what switches yall think are best for magnetic? im getting the jades alr but im curious to see if u guys like the orange ones

[harsh dove]

Nobody here has the 2.0's that I know of yet

[silver pecan]

do u think its worth it to lube the jades?

[tawdry tree]

Wait for 2.0s

[silver pecan]

i heard they lube it very well and that relubing them has like the same effect

[tawdry tree]

In 8 days.. 🥲

[harsh dove]

It's always worth lubing switches, but the Jades have a really good factory lube job

[silver pecan]

i might just lube like two or three and see if there is a noticeable difference when they come

[harsh dove]

I hand lubed mine and noticed no difference in feel or sound

[silver pecan]

wait u have jades?

[harsh dove]

Yes

and Raptors

[silver pecan]

yoo can u gimme a sound test pls

[harsh dove]

Just search for it, I've posted it a few times

[silver pecan]

kk

[harsh dove]

Yeah I can't imagine that the 2.0s sound that much diff from Lekkers or Raptors but I know they'll have no wobble

[silver pecan]

wait what company is releasing switches?

[harsh dove]

Gateron

[silver pecan]

theyre releasing new magnetics?

[harsh dove]

They've released 3 so far

yeah

[silver pecan]

damn shouldve prolly waited

[silver pecan]

unless the jades are nice like that

[harsh dove]

This was on the side of my jades box

[tawdry tree]

The ATK68 (with 2.0s) sounds incredible stock, far better than the KS-20s and it has an aluminium plate so not even great conditions.

[fluid ravine]

CAMMM

HIIIII

[silver pecan]

also yo i found a video of ur stock foam w jades

[fluid ravine]

I MISSS YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[silver pecan]

they sound insane bro

did u notice that the foam made a massive difference in sound?

[harsh dove]

Oh okay I’ll have to check it out

Yeah cause KS20s were basically lekkers

[harsh dove]

lol hey

[fluid ravine]

Hai

[harsh dove]

I prefer no case foam with the jades

I took it back out

[silver pecan]

damn okay

[tawdry tree]

Lekkers are KS-20s and KS-20s are Lekkers ;), just the springs.

[silver pecan]

how long did it take to come btw

[harsh dove]

Pretty much

[fluid ravine]

i was gonna ask that

fk

[silver pecan]

i ordered the express shipping but was just wondering cause it says 5-7 days

[silver pecan]

thats why ur trash at val lil bro

[harsh dove]

I did expedited on the Jades so less than two weeks

[fluid ravine]

hey man i just got home from vacation >:(

[silver pecan]

nahhh bro im joking

what rank are u

[fluid ravine]

dont ask

anyways

[silver pecan]

u in US?

[harsh dove]

Yeah

[fluid ravine]

might buy em in the future

considering

[silver pecan]

im in canada and they ship via dhl

prolly gonna take as long as urs then

thanks anyways

[harsh dove]

No problem

[quiet bay]

I'm curious what ur wooting would sound like with jades 🤔

[fluid ravine]

i miss my keyboard so much :)

[fluid ravine]

fr

[tawdry tree]

Sound profile shouldn’t be drastically different with or without case foam as the Jades don’t let much sound down in the case.

[quiet bay]

huh what happened

[silver pecan]

wait also

[fluid ravine]

i went on a trip

for like 5-6 days

[quiet bay]

ohh

[fluid ravine]

i miss home

[silver pecan]

do u guys think adding the brass weight from kdbfans is worth it

[quiet bay]

shoulda brought it in a traveling case xd xd

[silver pecan]

im going for a very thocky sound

w jades and tape mod

[fluid ravine]

i shouldve brought my lapto

[quiet bay]

ye

[fluid ravine]

then it wouldve made me bring my keyboard

lol

[harsh dove]

It’s not that much difference, I’ve posted both videos here. I just prefer to hear the whole sound of the jades rather than it being slightly muffled by the foam

[silver pecan]

its like 50 cad im pre sure, is it really worth?

shouldve got it w the bundle from the start but i lacked

[quiet bay]

o

[fluid ravine]

its like 60 sum usd for us

[tawdry tree]

2.0s would be better for that, more area to dampen the sound.

[fluid ravine]

including shipping and tax

im prettyu sure

[silver pecan]

alr got the jades

[harsh dove]

Plus you’re not supposed to use case foam with the salvation case anyway, I was just experimenting

[quiet bay]

you can probably just fill it up with something else

[tawdry tree]

Which case are you using?

[silver pecan]

tofu redux

[tawdry tree]

IC

[silver pecan]

btw when i said i alr got them i meant i ordered them

im not tryna wait for new switches tbh

unless theyre that nice

[tawdry tree]

We don’t really know yet, Jades sound good either way.

[quiet bay]

I think Jades are good enough anyways

[silver pecan]

yeah its 60 cad just checked

what yall think is that worth it to get

the brass weight

for my redux

[harsh dove]

Yeah I don't see myself swapping out Jades unless another unique sounding HE switch comes out

[silver pecan]

yeah i really like how they sound and i hate the lekkers spring ping

[tawdry tree]

2.0s will sound a bit different and use the case more to dampen the sound instead of keeping the sound in with closed back switches.

[fluid ravine]

ima keep them on the list

[harsh dove]

Yeah I'm really enjoying the sound of the Jades personally

[tawdry tree]

How’s the stem wobble on the Jades?

[fluid ravine]

little to no wobble

-CAM

[tawdry tree]

How?

[harsh dove]

It's basically stem swapped Raptors without the friction feel

[silver pecan]

sorry for asking again lmao just need to confirm, is the brass weight bar worth getting for 60 cad? just wanna know if it makes a very noticeable difference

[harsh dove]

So it glides like butter

but has no wobble

[tawdry tree]

Don’t KS-20s and Jades use the same stem?

[fluid ravine]

stem material yes

[shell geode]

I think the Jades are good enough that it will be hard to consider getting the upcoming Lekker 2.0s, but I am open to being wrong

[harsh dove]

POM Stem yeah, I'm not sure about exact design or tolerances though

@tawdry tree

[fluid ravine]

but dimensions and size no

[tawdry tree]

Not material

[tawdry tree]

Hmm

[harsh dove]

I don't own KS20s so I can't compare

Otherwise I would

[fluid ravine]

^^^

[tawdry tree]

You don’t have Lekkers?

[harsh dove]

I do know the Raptors use a smaller stem than Lekkers

I have L60s yes

[fluid ravine]

Oml i already explained this

[tawdry tree]

What’s different?

[fluid ravine]

iam look for the message

[tawdry tree]

👍

[fluid ravine]

if i dont find it

then im typing another essay

[tawdry tree]

no need essay

Are the dimensions listed on Gateron’s site?

[fluid ravine]

NO

oops

capds

but just comparing we would know

even though i dont have them
i got knowledge for ya

ok fk it

[tawdry tree]

How the heck do you know then? 🤣?

I got the dimension of my white ks20s in the box

everything I could ever want to know is in it

did jades have something similar @harsh dove

[stray tiger]

The ATK68 uses the KS-37B switch I believe and not the KS-20. So they are not compatible with the 60HE

[tawdry tree]

The ATK68 uses Gateron 2.0s not KS-37Bs

[harsh dove]

@tawdry tree

[tawdry tree]

Oh nah, not the same

I didn’t know they came in a 🫙

Cute

[stray tiger]

There are two types of 2.0 switches from Gateron. A KS-20 2.0 version and a KS-37B. For example the Keychron Q1 Pro says it comes with Gateron 2.0 switches but they are the KS-37B's.

The ATK68 is indeed KS-37B, I just checked my sheet

[fluid ravine]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Comparing the lekkers and jades,
jades use the same materials as lekkers but you may be wondering, why the living fk does the lekker sound so shit and chattery, it's because of the top housing and stem tolerance (its loose af which also means stem wobble). Let's just say the jades are the new improved lekkers or like lekkers 2.0 (but not), both top housing and stem increased in size (like the raptors except the raptors increased the thickness of the top housing and the stem alot smaller than the lekkers | since the stem is a bit small, it still chatters a little)
Ok in conclusion, like CAM said, the jades is like the raptor with the lekker stem with no friction when actuating so the jades switches are now a new solid sounding HE switch in the market currently when comparing to others.
and FYI the covered bottom out pole does not have to do with anything above or improving the sound by a huge mile, let's just say it bottoms out cleaner

[tawdry tree]

Are you sure? I asked Gateron on aliexpress about it

[stray tiger]

I drink and I know things

[fluid ravine]

holy sheet

[shell geode]

This is really great, thank you

[fluid ravine]

when will it be my turn to drink and know things

[tawdry tree]

Doesn’t drunkdeer use KS-37Bs? And omni points are KS-20s

Hmm

[shell geode]

So if the switch has KS-20 in the name (or specified type), is it safe to assume it works for Wooting?

[tawdry tree]

Yes

[stray tiger]

The drunkdeer switches require a kailh switch opener so very unlikely a Gateron made switch

[stray tiger]

Drunkdeer uses these switches from Raesha

[tawdry tree]

I am so confused, you are right, the ATK68 uses KS-37Bs.

But why would Gateron say “This magnetic switch can used on the keyboard which fit KS-20 magnetic switch”?

🥴

[stray tiger]

I thought I was wrong before but I was mistaken 😂

[tawdry tree]

You were right, the KS-37Bs have a guide on the stem which KS-20(u)s don’t.

[stray tiger]

I can't speak for Gateron. I just know what I know and what data I collect. Plus I spend way too much money buying a lot of these to test when I'm able to catch them before selling out. Some are just clones of each other though.

[stray tiger]

Also have a different magnet style and strength

[tawdry tree]

That’s the main problem why they can’t be used interchangeably right?

[stray tiger]

Yes, the rail wouldn't matter

[untold wigeon]

LOL

[tawdry tree]

They both fit eachothers switchplate I mean?

[stray tiger]

The KS-20 2.0 has dual rails and works fine

[tawdry tree]

Gateron’s naming too 💀

You have the KS-20 then the 2.0s KS-20u
The KS-37 and the 2.0s KS-37B correct?

[knotty breach]

Happy new year

[stray tiger]

Working on updating the list, will repost later. Time to celebrate New Years

[quiet bay]

Take all the time you need

[sullen salmon]

@tawdry tree so the gateron v2 arent compatible with the wooting?

[pallid echo]

happy new year everyone!

[fluid ravine]

Happy New year!

[void hollow]

happy new year

NEW YEAR NEW SWITCHES? :D

[fluid ravine]

MAYBE

LOL

[shell geode]

What's V2? Are you referring to the Ink V2s?

[tawdry tree]

Gateron’s KS-20 (Lekker/Omni Point) and new KS-20u switches are compatible with Wooting’s HE boards. Gateron’s KS-37 and new KS-37B switches are not compatible with Wooting’s HE boards.

[cerulean zealot]

Happy New Year!

[tawdry tree]

Yeah, an updated version with the switch names could be helpful.

[sullen salmon]

so the new gwteron 2.0 switches from the atk wouldn't work with the wooting PCB

[tawdry tree]

The switches from the ATK don’t work with Wooting boards ( I also just found out) Gateron’s naming even got Gateron confused LMAO

[sullen salmon]

lmao okay so do I just get jades then

[void hollow]

yes

or u wait 2 weeks

[sullen salmon]

for?

[tawdry tree]

Up to you, the “2.0” switches that work with Wooting boards (KS-20u) will launch soon as well.

[void hollow]

maybe 3 weeks for somebody to review those

[sullen salmon]

how soon

[tawdry tree]

My guess is early January.

[sullen salmon]

sounds good enough for me

they'll be dual rail too correct?

[tawdry tree]

They were already listed on Gateron’s site little less than a week ago but then removed again.

[tawdry tree]

The KS-20u are dual railed, yes.

Not the Jades though.

[sullen salmon]

yeah

can you explain what dual rail is? I think I understand but I wanna make sure and understand what the advantage of them is

if you don't mind

[tawdry tree]

Let me try to find a picture real quick

Explains it better

[sullen salmon]

I think I know what it is but jus wanna check

[fluid ravine]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message

[tawdry tree]

Instead of one rail on each side, they have two.

[untold wigeon]

that looks like a sex toy

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[tawdry tree]

Yes, that explains it better.

[tawdry tree]

It is

[untold wigeon]

it literally does, dont tell me u dont see it

[tawdry tree]

It’s used too

[shell geode]

This design is to reduce stem wobble?

[tawdry tree]

Yes

Reduce/eliminate

[fluid ravine]

dawg idk what those shi look like but its just odd to point out

😂

[untold wigeon]

it aint odd

its real

[shell geode]

Others have said the Jades already have reduced wobble compared to the Lekkers, but potentially the 2.0 Lekkers could reduce the wobble even more than the Jades?

[fluid ravine]

well

Let's just say this dual rail stuff isnt really a NEED thing

[tawdry tree]

Dual rail vs single rail is not even fair

[fluid ravine]

just say its a option out there

[untold wigeon]

still buying jades

[fluid ravine]

real

[untold wigeon]

nobody can stop me

[fluid ravine]

same

[tawdry tree]

You already bought them

[shell geode]

I've also ordered the Jades

[fluid ravine]

only money can stop me

[untold wigeon]

money can not stop me

i can go on the street rn and beg

so many beggars

[fluid ravine]

LMAO

[untold wigeon]

50 bucks in like 5 hrs easy

[untold wigeon]

im 100% serious abt this

[fluid ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/gingging-nathandoan-gif-24282973

"So many bums everywhere!"

[shell geode]

Would you say the 2.0 is coming with a dual rail system, hence making them better than the Jades?

[tawdry tree]

I think so but it’s just speculation.

I also think an open bottom is better for sound where’s nearly everyone else thinks Jades sound better than anything. (they are delusional)

[shell geode]

I'm personally into the 'mahjong' sound signature from the Jades, but I get it if it's not for everyone

@fluid ravine Still rocking the medical tape inside your switches?

[fluid ravine]

yeah

cant get new switcheds

you know me

[tawdry tree]

If they you like the sound get them man, it’s your keyboard.

[fluid ravine]

as of right now

[tawdry tree]

I think they sound like normal non HE switches, not a special or great sound IMO.

[shell geode]

What sound are you looking for?

[shell geode]

I've tried to make mine sound mute and quiet

[fluid ravine]

i dont even know what i want anymroe

[tawdry tree]

Quiet and smooth.

[fluid ravine]

i just want something sound amazingly solid

[shell geode]

I see! For quiet, I put o-rings inside the stem of my Lekkers. Not only is it quieter, it's reduced total travel too

[shell geode]

Will you be getting other switches? Raptors, Jades, Lekker 2.0?

[fluid ravine]

hopefully

[untold wigeon]

you are delusional

[tawdry tree]

no u

[untold wigeon]

we both know you are soft

[tawdry tree]

you can’t get hard

so be quiet

[untold wigeon]

the fuck

i was talking abt ur behavior

not ur dick

[tawdry tree]

Lekkers are auto disqualified though, the tolerances aren’t up to par with other switches.

[untold wigeon]

Lekkers should be wiped from existence

it is a crime for a lubed switch to sound this bad

[tawdry tree]

Something we can agree on.

[untold wigeon]

i bet even if u lube cherry reds they sound better

[tawdry tree]

doc

are you smart?

[untold wigeon]

whatever the fuck your name is

are you smart?

[tawdry tree]

No