🔌│tech

[digital cliff]

why are people trying to convince you it doesn't work when what the laptop wants is directly equal to what the anker charger can output

[wheat plume]

Yeh.
Imma get it and two USB c to c cables

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCIOOlT3KJI

A bit of 3D print nerdery for y'all.

[slender rain]

Actually what is the deal with doubleclicking mice?

I think about building my own mouse, since gaming mice seem to be garbage

I can't remember having double clicking issues ever before gaming mice became a thing

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5BhECVlKJA&t=1s

[thick elk]

Never thought much about it, my first guess would be debounce related, with a switch going out of spec over time, gonna watch the video.

[thick elk]

Interesting video in general, didn't think of the lower voltage and current angle but that makes sense as well.

[wheat plume]

Cant buy from Anker either cause they also dont ship here .-.

[reef patrol]

No local ish electronic chains?

[ashen spindle]

get the other one that ships and just a adapter for the outlet

[craggy elk]

what should i get for my first premium mousepad i have been using a cheap amazon pad but i want to try something of higher quality i mainly play fortnite, apex, overwatch, the finals, cs2, and valorant

[thick elk]

That's one route you could go, but really performance wise there is nothing wrong with the cheap cloth mousepads from amazon or any other place.

[wheat plume]

yes but its an extra 40 euro to buy it from there

.-.

[digital cliff]

I guess you can do your own research with the amount of mouse and mousepad nerds out there these days but I guess it's artisan or a glass pad for most people

and don't forget the 200€ mouse!

[craggy elk]

yeah but i want to try something nicer so what would you recommend

[digital cliff]

I guess my recommendation was not good 😒

[thick elk]

I personally just use a large aliexpress one, got to try out some artisans, had an aluminium pad for a while. Just a large cloth deskpad is what I personally find the most comfortable to use. Of course opinions differ but that's where I personally sit.

[digital cliff]

for me too, I couldn't care less about performance, I just want pretty colors

[thick elk]

I like to rest my arms on my desk, at least 3mm cloth deskpads are comfortable that way.

[digital cliff]

currently waiting on my endgame deskmat haha, shame it had to be a pre-order 😔 PRE-ORDER for a fucking cloth pad that gets made in china to your spec in like 3 days

3 month wait gaming 🛌

only annoying part about deskpads is how ugly they get with dead skin and crap

and washing them, they lose integrity slowly

[thick elk]

Oof, Still happy about my custom print one.
Wahsing them is kind of problematic yea, if it degrades too much off to aliexpress with a new design.

Oops older version of the design

[digital cliff]

yeah I might try a custom print one at some point, I just worry the quality will be shit

with the mass-produced ones like the ones that compliment some keycap sets and all that, at least they've vetted the quality beforehand so I know I'm not getting absolute garbage

[thick elk]

you need to be careful of contrast and level of detail will not be perfect. So far my experience has mostly been positive

Working preview on this one:

[digital cliff]

did you design the print yourself?

[thick elk]

yea, took photo's converted them to lines yea

[digital cliff]

damn that's kinda crazy

hats off

[marsh glade]

That's super cool

Looks like dbrand's xray prints

[digital cliff]

really good idea though

[thick elk]

Best feature for me is my natural mouse position for my mouse is right on the cuttingpad / mousepad on the mousepad.

[craggy elk]

oh my bad i didnt see it

[craggy elk]

which artisan or glass pad would you recommend for the games i listed

[smoky frigate]

it should come out fine

though it won't be legible, may want to crop

[digital cliff]

I have no idea, you have to figure out what kind of pad you like

fast, slow, whatever

[thick elk]

generally prints are 300dpi actual level of detail you get is not perfect, so keep that in mind. The screenshot looks different from the actual pad in terms of detail, also contrast is not always that great.

[craggy elk]

i think i want to try something that is balanced for my first artisan pad

[digital cliff]

and then go ask someone who actually knows their stuff xD I just know these pads are the stuff enthusiasts like

I have no clue about them myself

[pale sigil]

Do yall think its safe if i power my rasberry pi with a 18w charger

[digital cliff]

yes

power is drawn, not delivered

long as the voltage is correct

[reef patrol]

It's USB innit? Handshakes and all.

[digital cliff]

yaas if it's USB you should be fine regardless

[halcyon moss]

Is it enough? I have no clue tbh

[pale sigil]

5.25V 7.6 watts

[thick elk]

Recommended spec is 5v 2a, most chargers should provide that at least.

[pale sigil]

its more im worried about 18w

[thick elk]

2*5 = 10

[reef patrol]

The PI will usually show an icon if it doesn't receive enough power.

[pale sigil]

My pi keeps shitting itself

[digital cliff]

power is drawn, not delivered

[pale sigil]

i suspect its because underpowered and running multile docker instances

[halcyon moss]

What else is connected

[thick elk]

try running prime95 or something to test.

[digital cliff]

you can hook up a 100000w charger but if the device draws 5w it draws 5w

[pale sigil]

Printer and webcam

[halcyon moss]

Try with out Webcam

[pale sigil]

as in 3d printer

ye i am now

[thick elk]

It could very well be that your 18w charger does not provide 18w at 5v and sags in voltage

[pale sigil]

it was working fine a for an entire print job

oh i aint using that charger

[halcyon moss]

What does shitting itself mean

[digital cliff]

ahh you're rather worried about underpowering it rather than over-, gotcha

[pale sigil]

i wanted to move to it

[pale sigil]

stops working, cant connect etc

ok ye it was the webcam

[halcyon moss]

Non responsive? Connect a display etc

[pale sigil]

guess ill move it to an actual plug now

[pale sigil]

my pi is headless

[halcyon moss]

Yeah but you can still connect a display and keyboard

(unless 0)

[thick elk]

Pi 4 has those nasty small ports, if you don't have the cable / adapter at hand

[halcyon moss]

Oh..

[thick elk]

micro hdmi

[halcyon moss]

I got a pi4b for my birthday.. Still need to power it up

[halcyon moss]

Oh I got that! Used that for my shield tablet

[pale sigil]

no idea where my micro wire is tbh

hence headless xD

[thick elk]

I only have a pi2 and pi3, don't use them often. At least they can be powered from a tv even. Also got micro-hdmi for my tablet pc. Old one only had that as display out, new one can also do it over usb-c

[pale sigil]

i would love more than 1 pi but they are to pricy

[halcyon moss]

Still?

[pale sigil]

ye

[ashen spindle]

just get one of the pi clones

[pale sigil]

when i got mine it was like 30 quid... now they start at 60

i dont know anything about pi close

tbh

[ashen spindle]

I mean for the most part its all the same unless you want something specifically only for the pi

but something generic like docker is basically the same

[thick elk]

Pi clones often suffer from not being fully mainlined in the past at least and overal being less supported.
But yea if just running linux software inside or outside docker it's fine mostly either way.

[digital cliff]

@hasty rain pulling you here so as to not clog up #🌟│wooting80he too much with offtopic :-D neverheard of vencord, I did try... ripcord (?) at some point but it was simply not an improvement

[hasty rain]

ah shit i didnt even realise which channel i was already in myself so yeah my bad too 😄 but yeah i usually use vencord, never had an issue with it and used it for ages now- all i can say really

[hasty rain]

shit like being able to stream video at 1440p 60fps without having nitro and etc, being able to have themes without nitro and whatever else, many many plugins 😛

[digital cliff]

aight I installed it just now actually to test

for me it's normally just a pain to get screensharing going anyway and the 3rd party clients don't usually help in that sense haha

[hasty rain]

what os do you usually use though? but yeah i usually just use default discord with vencord, cant comment for the others for screensharing

also if you're using linux, are you using xorg or wayland?

[digital cliff]

on linux always, wayland in particular -- which is the reason for the screensharing being problematic

[hasty rain]

ah yeah i thought that might have been the case 😄

i still use xorg just for that reason, its not "complete" enough for my liking but im sure there is a uhhh, fuck i forgot the name.. something pipes or whatever to semi fix that right?

[digital cliff]

the only thing that works is discord-screenaudio and even then, only when xdg-desktop-portal, pipewire, hyprland and discord versions all magically agree

on some days they might not and I need to downgrade something, upgrade something to make the thing work again 😒

[hasty rain]

ah yeah that sounds annoying 😂

[digital cliff]

don't really understand why in the year 2023 we can't have working screensharing on wayland

[hasty rain]

the perks of using something new i guess 🤣

[digital cliff]

yeahh, at least wayland is super nice when it works -- I just extremely dislike the fact that they left everything for the compositor to implement, so experience on one compositor is often very different from another

where you adjust settings related to displays and all that, every compositor has their own unique way

[hasty rain]

yeah, thats why i havent made the switch yet- especially when i tried it there wasn't even a way for obs and bindings to work globally properly

[digital cliff]

talking about the second big issue I have, no global hotkeys

[hasty rain]

since then i just went back to x and ill just wait for shit like that to progress more

[digital cliff]

problem is it'll never come

wayland is built to not allow that

so all applications have to include their own socket or something to do this

[hasty rain]

yeah but theres apparently things in the works for it from what i can remember seeing (or a vid i watched on yt i cant remember) to give permissions to specific apps to do it

something along them lines

[wheat plume]

So you can't have keyboard shortcuts to change volume or toggle play and pause???

[digital cliff]

you can via a hotkey daemon

[wheat plume]

O

[hasty rain]

the way xorg works is, bindings can be read via any process (not exactly secure)

[digital cliff]

but problem is you can't control discord mute or PTT or something via a console command

[wheat plume]

Ah

[digital cliff]

so the hotkey daemon can't really pass the command along

[hasty rain]

but wayland fixes that vulnerability

[wheat plume]

So it's only app specific shortcuts that don't work

[hasty rain]

but it also means they need to figure a way out to allow global bindings for apps 😄

[digital cliff]

yeah depending on what you want to do, pretty much

[hasty rain]

say in obs, you can bind things like F1 to switch a scene or such.. which doesn't work in wayland because of global bindings

means you need to be focused on obs for it to work

which defeats the point of it

[wheat plume]

Ahhhh

[digital cliff]

like I control MPD just fine via hotkeys, used to do it with sxhkd on xorg and now I do it via Hyprland, but that's because mpd has a way to control it via CLI; all my controls are basically just commands

but long as the application you want to control doesn't include any way to control it via commands or some socket, no can do

[wheat plume]

Right ;$!

[hasty rain]

i did see a video on how someone got it working tho, a pretty well known linux youtuber (cant remember his name rn)- ill see if i can find it for you but im pretty sure he had to rebind his f keys meaning he cant now use them as F1, F2 etc in anything else

[digital cliff]

ahh interesting, yeah there's probably some hacks out there

there's a PTT-enabled discord package out there somewhere that at least lets you use push-to-talk but afaik it's a really hacky, hardcoded way of doing it

[hasty rain]

could probably make a script to check if obs process is running then reconfigure it and restart wayland maybe and vice versa (hopefully)

but if you could do it the way i said above, having multiple configs for diff apps running at the same time- i suppose you'd just have to make sure the keybindings dont overlap

[hasty rain]

https://www.youtube.com/@BrodieRobertson
it was this guy, cant remember which video it was though

[digital cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfXP9gltk3A yeah actually watching his video on global hotkeys supposedly coming to wayland.... a year ago

not sure what the hang up is, probably just compositor implementation, meaning I just gotta wait until Hyprland implements it (?)

[hasty rain]

id imagine so yeah

oh this is one i come across when i tried wayland too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ju6tnep-pU

looks like its still an issue (not exactly watched the video tho)

[smoky frigate]

it didn't work a short while ago 4 me

[digital cliff]

yeah it's a whole mess honestly, I wish we could go back in time before wayland was invented and just do it right this time

just make a better xorg because the way xorg works to me is logical, not this whole "wayland is just a protocol" and all compositors have to work shit out themselves

[hasty rain]

yeah its not exactly ideal the place wayland is in and id still say its got a few years to go yet

[digital cliff]

I'm not sure it'll ever become the thing everyone wants to see

just the way it's designed is broken as every compositor has to make their own implementations of things

just a waste of everyone's work honestly

10 devs working on their little compositors all doing the same thing when they could instead work together on a monolithic thing that in the end serves everyone

[hasty rain]

well most distros are starting to push wayland as default so hopefully a lot more work will be done towards diff compositors and shit via them

like say is valve go balls to the wall and go ham on it like they have with proton 😄

wayland is where were all heading but i still dont think we're nowhere near ready to use it as a daily driver yet without issues

[digital cliff]

I like your optimism :>

[wheat plume]

The Steam Deck still runs xorg in desktop mode 😅

But game mode is Wayland

[hasty rain]

yeah, although i think theyre changing soon to full wayland

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[hasty rain]

sure ive read that somewhere

[wheat plume]

Idk if they should tbh

People use discord on desktop mode and they won't know why screenshare won't have audio in Wayland

And why apps can't respond to shortcuts

The deck is being used by people who've never used / heard of Linux before!

[hasty rain]

well valve use their own compositor called gaming scope if i remember right so who knows, they might just improve it to the point they're using it for the desktop too

[wheat plume]

Gamescope yeh!

It's in the AUR if you run Arch
But it doesn't like Nvidia GPU

[hasty rain]

yeah ive tried it ma arch setup but it had issues with high refresh rate

240 fps just refuses to work

[wheat plume]

And a few versions out of date compared to SteamOS

Hmmm?

Oh strange
165 works flawlessly for me

[wheat plume]

Maybe your cable can't handle 240?

[hasty rain]

yeah anything higher and it'd just crash and yup

type-c to display port

used this setup for years now 😛

[wheat plume]

Ok hmmm
Idk how fast that can go

Xd

[hasty rain]

well its a type c usb 3.2 if i remember correctly

pretty sure its got like a 10gb bandwidth

id have to google

[digital cliff]

I've tried gamescope before on an application-basis to try to fix something and didn't really enjoy the hardcoded keybindings or the fact it fetched my keyboard layout from god knows where (another linux/wayland annoyance)

trying to figure out how to pass my compositor-set keyboard layout to applications running under Wine is always fun times

[wheat plume]

O

Maybe wine tricks?

[digital cliff]

then ending up just setting the same keyboard layout everywhere until it works

which is also like, why do we have like 5 different files where you can set it bruh

😂

[wheat plume]

Maybe symlink shit?

[hasty rain]

sounds to me like you just need to go back to xorg my man 🤣 get back on bspwm or i3wm 🤣

[digital cliff]

haha I have a working bspwm session for when I need it, set identically to my Hyprland :D

[wheat plume]

The animations in hyprland are amazing though 💚

Wish I could use it

[hasty rain]

yeah they are, although i mostly use i3wm just cause its what ive used for like 10+ years so 😄

[digital cliff]

so all the same bindings work and I'm up to speed immediately, just like the smoothness of wayland so I use this when I don't run into issues :>

[hasty rain]

and i usually just dont use a compositor

no animations or owt, QUICK TINGS

[digital cliff]

yeah I think I'm compositorless on xorg too

[wheat plume]

Nah
Having no animation makes me motion sick

[digital cliff]

I don't mind it, it's just a little stone-age for me so not the preference

[wheat plume]

I need animation

Even a simple one

[hasty rain]

I used to use picom, aka compton but it had a few issues every so often and would piss me off so 😄

[wheat plume]

Which is why windows 11's removal of the animation when switching virtual desktops pissed me off

.-.

[hasty rain]

they still have animations? 👀

[wheat plume]

When using the keyboard shortcuts to switch desktops on 11
They no longer have an animation

[hasty rain]

im on the latest win 11 build and they do 😛

[wheat plume]

No sliding between them

[wheat plume]

O....they added it back??????

[hasty rain]

does for me, actually seems a lot better than they ever have before

its actually smooth now and not janky

[wheat plume]

Is the win + tab animation still jank?

[hasty rain]

no applications flicker and that too

uhhhhh

tiny bit but better it seems

[wheat plume]

Oh ok

[hasty rain]

definitely better than what it was

[wheat plume]

Idk how they managed to mismatch the animation bounce between the decorations and window lol

The decorations scale further than the window they are attached to

Nah

[hasty rain]

well i mean, it is microshaft

[wheat plume]

True....more focused on stealing data than making a good desktop UX experience

[hasty rain]

Dont get me started on microshaft, I only use windows for gaming and wish I didn't have to

[digital cliff]

I unironically feel like gaming is the one thing that works really well on linux, no tricks needed usually

[wheat plume]

You play multiplayer games with anticheat?

[digital cliff]

just pick up and play

[hasty rain]

Although dont get me wrong, valve went beast mode on proton and I can play most games on linux rn but still some companies being little dicks with the EAC and not enabling it for linux

[digital cliff]

ah, that'll do it

[wheat plume]

Apex and gang beasts use eac and work on Linux
😊

And Titanfall
And GTA online

[hasty rain]

Sadly my main game is rust so

[wheat plume]

Ah

[hasty rain]

Garry newman is a cock 😄

[wheat plume]

Doesn't even run good on Windows

[hasty rain]

Actually the last game I did try on my steam deck a few months ago which recently got added was uhhh... Dead by daylight

actually worked pretty well

before that you had EAC errors

[digital cliff]

wait you can't play Rust on linux anymore? I swear it used to be possible years ago

like it was actually a linux game even

[hasty rain]

yeah they used to have native linux builds then stopped cause they said it wasn't worth their effort

[digital cliff]

well then they should've at least enabled EAC for it wtf

[wheat plume]

Same for rocket league....
Luckily that runs fine on proton !!

[hasty rain]

yeah exactly.. rust actually runs perfect on proton on non-eac servers so

[wheat plume]

Ballistic Overkill is on Linux too but that game is dead ;_; can't find a full server at all these days

[hasty rain]

ah yeah too, ive played battlebit on linux too which works spot on

[wheat plume]

Ah!

[hasty rain]

I have my "gaming nvme drive" shared between my arch and windows

its obviously NTFS but i auto mount it on boot on arch too

[wheat plume]

Last Year works on Linux too despite saying it's not supported

[hasty rain]

that way i can play whatever game on whatever os, not wasting anymore space

[wheat plume]

Even on other file formats you would still need to auto mount it ;_;

My exfat SSD needs auto mounting

Linux only really auto mounts USB drives and CDs

[hasty rain]

well cause its ntfs, i think what i use is ntfs3g or whatever its called and then it works like any other hdd within steam 😛

but yeah i just have it auto mount within fstab

[ashen spindle]

Aside from anticheat, hdr, high framerates

[smoky frigate]

use gnome-disks, you can automount each drive there

[wheat plume]

Oooo????

[hasty rain]

actually hdr and high frames works fine

[wheat plume]

Does it automatically make a mount point or what?

[smoky frigate]

framerates are epic on linux

[hasty rain]

anticheat also does but the devs have to make it work for their games

[digital cliff]

high framerates? HDR I'll give you but I'll never have a HDR display anyway so not a huge deal for me personally

[ashen spindle]

Hdr is something valve recently worked on but that was still broken last I checked some weeks ago

[smoky frigate]

either that, or you can specify your own. gnome-disks is epic

[wheat plume]

System76 are also working on it for COSMIC

[hasty rain]

yeah cause ive been using a 240hz monitor for years now 😄 (samsung odyssey g7 1440p)

[wheat plume]

Oooo

[ashen spindle]

What about above 240hz? Idk what the cutoff for issues was

[smoky frigate]

360hz here, worx perfect (nvidia)

[ashen spindle]

That’s nice then finally

[digital cliff]

I had no idea it used to be a problem even

[nimble canopy]

hdr will be mostly broken for a long time
but at least for gaming it will almost be there

[hasty rain]

yeah ive never had a problem with refresh either and ive always used high refresh displays

[smoky frigate]

multimonitor too. I had issues getting the same monitor to run 360hz on an AMD card. but I am now almost sure I will never use AMD again

[digital cliff]

oh well, not like I'll ever have an any faster-refreshing display than my current

[hasty rain]

usually amd is actually better, the new open source nvidia drivers have actually got really good recently tho ngl

[smoky frigate]

I have not had a lot of luck with AMD, even on linux. nvidia driver is limited, but within its limitations it runs very well. with AMD it's the other way around

keep in mind I do not use Wayland and will stay on X11 as long as possible

[hasty rain]

you can also just look how to mount a hdd within fstab (its pretty easy once you look) and its the matter of adding 1 line 🙂

[nimble canopy]

i have had a lot of problems with nvidia and a lot of those making genral desktop prety bad
amd is much better but has had its problems
(randome driver resets and vrr somtimes locking memory frequency to 96MHz)

[hasty rain]

yeah imma stay using xorg till wayland gets good enough but most people use proprietary drivers for nvidia till recently cause the open source ones was shit

[wheat plume]

Yep yep that's what I've been doing xf

[smoky frigate]

it needs some extra configuration to get right, but now I have a buttery smooth multimonitor gaming setup

[nimble canopy]

yea multi monitor was not a good experiance with nvidia
the second monitor going black if i shut down minecraft

[hasty rain]

its mad though eh, when i used to use a radeon for a short while i never had an issue but then when i went to a 3070 (everything has mostly been fine) aside from some weird issue with when my pc goes to sleep

never happened with amd

sometimes i gotta unplug the power from the monitor and plug it back in cause it makes the monitor get stuck in some semi working/not working mode lol

its fucking weird

[smoky frigate]

I hate wayland, it breaks half the things I use, and the people pushing for it are annoying

[hasty rain]

yeah not worth it for me right now but im hoping it becomes something good enough anytime soon

[nimble canopy]

wayland is good enough for me right now

[smoky frigate]

weird. I have a 3080 on an intel MSI board, I haven't experienced that issue

[nimble canopy]

somtimes you have to break things to make it better

[hasty rain]

might be related to using type-c to display port but it was fine on the amd (and works fine any other time)

only when sleep happens and when i wake the device back up, the screen is black but on and i gotta replug it for shit to work proper again lol

[smoky frigate]

oh that sounds like it could be the case. possibly fixable with a BIOS update I would wager

[smoky frigate]

hm, I dunno. as a user, I don't appreciate it. it had its first release 15 years ago, and it's still missing features I'd call essential. it's hostile to me, so I resent it

[digital cliff]

in comparison xorg works but is laggy af so it's just a saddening experience using it in my opinion

[hasty rain]

in what ways is it laggy? not exactly sure what ya mean

[digital cliff]

just moving windows around, animations, the feel of it

it's sluggish and feels like it runs at 30fps to me

[smoky frigate]

it forces vsync by default, which is noticeable on some setups

[hasty rain]

oh umm, never had an issue in that sense tbf

[digital cliff]

it's something that either bothers you or it doesn't

[smoky frigate]

and yeah, it forces vsync

[digital cliff]

for me the difference is like going from 60fps market monitor to a 144hz gaming one for the first time

[hasty rain]

like when im on i3wm and 240hz (i turn vsync off on the monitor anyways) so maybe thats why ive never noticed and everythings been fine

[nimble canopy]

i like the forced vsync for all my experience with tearing youtube videos

[hasty rain]

oh i did have screen tearing but i entered some shit within the xorg configs and its been fine since (cant remember its been years)

[nimble canopy]

but iirc wayland does have its ways now to disable te vsync

[smoky frigate]

probably TearFree

[hasty rain]

yeah maybe

like i can legit make any window floating and drag the fucker around like a mad man and its buttery smooth 😄

thats why i was curious

[smoky frigate]

not on gnome yet, except for full screen games, and even then I am not sure how it does it. there are some packages on arch linux that implement double buffering, making it noticeably more responsive. with gnome's development speed, it'll take another 5 years to get it right lel

[digital cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYwK0YMFjQ it's this video that also describes my experience

[nimble canopy]

gnome is a joke still has no vrr on wayland

[digital cliff]

https://youtu.be/moYwK0YMFjQ?t=608 on this timestamp basically

[hasty rain]

ah shit yeah thats bad, fuck that

never had that issue in my life ngl

[digital cliff]

that's sort of how xorg just feels to me a lot of the time - luckily I use tiling WMs anyway and almost never float windows so not a big deal but somehow I just find myself coming back to Hyprland more despite wayland issues haha

[smoky frigate]

TearFree is one of the cooler driver features on AMD. there is no equivalent on nvidia, but I got the same experience by adding a few environment variables, utility settings and xorg.conf stuff which was arse to find out how, lol. but at least everything works like I want it now 💪

[hasty rain]

yeah nah fuck that, thats one thing id HAVE to fix if i had this issue lol

[thick elk]

Never given tiling wm's a good try, never felt the urge to do so.

[hasty rain]

Honestly its been so long I cant remember and im on win 11 right now and cba rebooting to check 😂 but yeah I am on nvidia, I just cant remember what I did

[digital cliff]

on nvidia you go to nvidia-settings, click on "force full composition pipeline", save to xorg.conf and you're done

no tearing

[thick elk]

currently on the plasma 6 beta, on wayland of course. HDR works reasonably well (except for the fact that my monitors really have no business using their hdr modes)

[hasty rain]

mostly benefital if you code or something, for anyone else id probably just tell them to use something like kde

[thick elk]

I do code at times but my solution to window management is just multi-monitor 4 displays at home 5 at work

granted window management for me is mostly meta+arrows + page up to maximize

[smoky frigate]

I got __GL_SYNC_DISPLAY_DEVICE=DP-0 in /etc/environment, disabled flipping in OpenGL settings and enabled force composition pipeline (not full) on second monitor, that did the trick. now I can tear my games on main monitor if I want to for minimum lag, and second screen looks smooth

[thick elk]

So maybe I would be beter off tiling

[hasty rain]

yeah I used to use 4 monitors, im back down to 2 now because ive realised its not exactly needed if you use tiling window managers unless you do shit like stocks 😄

[digital cliff]

fancy stuff

[hasty rain]

having 10 workspaces on each screen, enough to have 2 😄

[thick elk]

The only thing I would say is I pretty much only move my windows around using my keyboard so probably halfway there already

[digital cliff]

for me floating WM just doesn't make sense, why wouldn't you want to take up all the space

like what advantage is there to layering windows on top of each other when you can just dynamically take up all the available space :>

[thick elk]

Only thing I really use floating is a pop-up window for a camera feed at work, above my discord window.

most of the time I only use one size, and that's full size

[digital cliff]

yeah occasionally you might want to have something but all tiling WMs support basic floating modes so, maybe give em a try some time

might like it

[smoky frigate]

that's a music tracker. what the fuck lol. super impressive

[hasty rain]

yeah or toggle between floating and tiled

can do it usually in most tiling wms

[thick elk]

Another thing is I am quite used to plasma, maybe some tiling extension would be a direction I go in.

end of the day most windows are just below other ones and I just alt+tab between windows on that monitor

[fallow coral]

i use 4 monitors regulary

[hasty rain]

you're probs already have your own workflow so yeah maybe, whatever is best for you really but id still always advise at least trying it out for a day or so

[smoky frigate]

yeah I don't use workspaces either. I guess growing up using windows has something to do with it

[hasty rain]

yeah this is one issue i had when i only used windows, i thought the more monitors the better cause of the lack of workspaces

now i could be completely fine with 1 monitor

[digital cliff]

for me it's the opposite, I rarely have 2 windows permanently on at the same time. I just have one window per workspace and switch between workspaces instead, then spawn and close additional windows if I ever need to have more than one visible at the same time

actually ditched my second monitor too because had no need for it haha

[hasty rain]

yeah exactly ^

[thick elk]

For me the important thing is to segment per monitor in a lot of cases. Panel only shows windows on the current monitor alt tab only switches between ones on the current monitor and I use the keyboard to lay them out (mostly full-screen) sometimes split which can easily be done by keyboard shortcuts

[digital cliff]

only thing on it was discord and I found I didn't need to have it visible at all times anyway so, bye bye monitor

[fallow coral]

i use 4 becuse i stream and it alows me to view everything well

[hasty rain]

you can configure the wm exactly however you like though, you could have alt + d to open or focus discord

or have windows auto open on certain monitors and workspaces

however you want it, its probably possible to do

[digital cliff]

you're scaring me, super+d opens and focuses discord for me

[hasty rain]

yeah this is all i used my 2nd monitor for and still do 🤣 or ill move a browser over there whilst im coding on ma main screen so i can see the changes live but not exactly needed

[thick elk]

That is not something I would want, I alternate, right now I am focused on discord, so I pull it to my center screen. If I am just folowing it a bit it goes on the top half of my far right one.

[digital cliff]

where's the hidden camera

ohh interesting

you juggle windows

[hasty rain]

yeah thats very windows workflow like

just move shit to the side you aint using right now

[thick elk]

I wouldn't say not using just not the focal point

[smoky frigate]

gnome has this very addictive super button behavior that makes window juggling a joy

[thick elk]

if I am coding it could be code on the center, documentation on center left some other stuff on center right

[hasty rain]

honestly ive never been able to use gnome, last time i tried it

a lot of things annoyed me

gnome2 wasnt bad back in the day but

[thick elk]

on plasma it works fine for me meta+arrows to move them around, then maximize with meta + page-up

[hasty rain]

yeah windows works the same haha

[smoky frigate]

I only warmed up to gnome around 2019, but I don't want to use anything else since. took its sweetass time to get good

[hasty rain]

i prefer kde over gnome but i could use either if i had to

[smoky frigate]

which it still did 6 years faster than wayland so far, but we will see 😛

[thick elk]

It may be windows like yet windows always puts up stupid road blocks

[hasty rain]

nah all im saying is, whatever works for you!
you just have a similar windows like workflow and thats completely fine

but if you ever wanted to change it then theres MANY ways you could do 😛

[thick elk]

I may want to try tiling wm's but it won't be trying it for a day, it would probably require a lot more commitment to get a good workflow

[hasty rain]

I forced myself to try ONLY using the keyboard, forced myself to learn vim and etc, now i could never go back

but yeah it took a long time

[thick elk]

I am also quite the incrementalist

I tried vim a bit and do use it from time to time (also use vim bindings in firefox) but not really fluent in them.

[hasty rain]

yeah at first its hard to get the hang of but when you finally start getting the gist of it, man you start seeing the benefits

[thick elk]

I do see the benefits but at the moment I also feel drawbacks and I don't want to spend the time setting nvim workflows up.

[digital cliff]

post your rice :sunglasses:

[hasty rain]

yeah nah that makes sense

[thick elk]

One thing I do want though is a good gui file manager which doesn't require you to use a mouse

Don't know any good options for that

Still using dolphin but it really does demand a mouse basically

[digital cliff]

file managers in general I go back and forth between, using pcmanfm right now but it's definitely a mouse thing

I tried some of the HC terminal filemanagers but just found that doing that via keyboard is just cumbersome

it's somehow inherently a visual thing for me so would rather use a mouse to interact with pretty icons haha

[thick elk]

Vim bindings would make a lot of sense to me in a file manager

just like vim browser plugins

f highlight files / folders then type the letter to open, things like that

[wheat plume]

I like plasma panels and notifications better than gnome

But overall UX I give to gnome

The Overview is unmatched

[digital cliff]

yeah I think you can do that, someone might remember what the hc terminal filemanager is called every turbonerd uses

I'm 100% sure it has a vim thing if you want to go that route

[wheat plume]

NNN?

[digital cliff]

nnn is too anemic, there's another

[wheat plume]

Midnight commander?

[digital cliff]

maybe that?

[thick elk]

But I also want it graphical file previews, and such.
Basically boils down to a dolphin vim bindings plugin.

[wheat plume]

Xd

[wheat plume]

I can never get used to vim bindings....

[smoky frigate]

KDE is a mixed bag for me but Kate is killer software

[thick elk]

or just give me a beter way to navigate the general ui with a keyboard

[digital cliff]

yeah for me too, just need the graphical side for a filemanager

it's ranger

ranger is the vim-like filemanager in terminal

[digital cliff]

I got used to them even with hjkl being spread out on three rows due to my keyboard layout 😂 I'm sure you can do it

[nimble canopy]

i need to learn vim

[wheat plume]

O

[digital cliff]

and even then, the key on the lowest row is the one that makes stuff move up xD

[thick elk]

Of course the key to vim is everything can be changed

so it would just be the right half of the letters on the home row

[digital cliff]

I just figured I'd rather not rebind everything for every software so just learned the weirdly-placed (for me) defaults

[thick elk]

Normally sure, vim bindings do rely quite a bit on key placement

[digital cliff]

hjkl in that order for me is where you guys have "hynu" xD

[smoky frigate]

learning vim is probably like learning Dwarf Fortress, just an exercise in muscle memory

[digital cliff]

I don't know if it does, some stuff might be particularly intuitive in the places they are (like the aforementioned hjkl) but otherwise it's just muscle memory and in the end doesn't really matter where your binds are

[thick elk]

Maybe.

[wheat plume]

Hynu sounds like a sound some discord egirl would make.....

[digital cliff]

what makes you think I'm not a discord egirl

[reef patrol]

[thick elk]

I haven't seen you in a while, so could indeed be the case you turned into one.

[tulip pebble]

[wheat plume]

Hehe

[wheat plume]

they took your charger brick

they took your SIM card slot

[dusk slate]

Best mice?

[empty wren]

Sim card going away if anything is more user control

2 major carriers here attacked back against including it

[misty saffron]

arguing about a sim slot is something i actually can’t understand

would you really rather fumble around with a physical sim card?

[severe gate]

can i run 240fps on a 60hz monitor

[misty saffron]

frames per second is a weird velocity metric but sure

[severe gate]

or should i get a 240hz monitor

[misty saffron]

pretty sure running on a monitor is guaranteed to break it, so how much money do you want to waste?

[severe gate]

i plan to get a spectere 240hz monitor for $140

[misty saffron]

be my guest

[severe phoenix]

Ah Spectre, so he's got 140$ to waste

[cursive prawn]

don't think the brand is the issue here..

[nova kestrel]

Facts

[amber moat]

guys a good mouse to go with the 60he?

[stuck surge]

g502

[smoky frigate]

razer deathadder v3. there is nothing bad I can say about it

[opaque bridge]

what usb ports should i plug in my wooting 60he and logitech gpro into?

[amber moat]

which one u feel its better g pro x 2 or razer one?

[old marlin]

Personally i hate the g pro wireless shape

Deathadder v3 works very well for me

But if your hands are on the smaller side you prob would not like it

(buy roccat pure air)

[tulip pebble]

Ninjutso sora 4K

[old marlin]

Omron opticals tho

[tulip pebble]

Sound and feeling those clicks are close to perfection

[severe phoenix]

Hey can anyone help me out here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1027404513805606972/1190996785179676752/image.png?ex=65a3d531&is=65916031&hm=0bee704e0b7458ffc079d2fa2bf2ea0f43f39bb2476df6ddf9bb128c3ecc91fb&

Does anyone see if you look closely

Kinda like almost a faded white grid pattern going across?

Evenly spaced?

[ashen spindle]

the pixelation I can see but not any grid

[reef patrol]

Nibba I ain't clicking that and zooming in. Jumpscare begging to happen 😄

[severe phoenix]

Fuck

[ashen spindle]

well if it was a jumpscare it didnt work either

[severe phoenix]

Nope, just my monitor being fucky

Just got a damn replacement too, this is crap

Seeing this, but weirdly - only if not full screen.

Already tired a few browsers

Phonoe makes it look worse than it is

[ashen spindle]

yeah that looks like anything in the chain of gpu, driver, cable, screen could cause it

just in browsers?

[severe phoenix]

It's weird hard to pinpint this, but like static images I can see "crawling"

[reef patrol]

That looks like compression to me.

Are you sure you're using a cable that can handle the bandwidth of your GPU to monitor? I've seen this before with DisplayPort where it has to compress the signal down a bit for the cable to work.

[latent mural]

140?

Where tf are you finding this 😭

[severe phoenix]

Yes I am using the same cable that's been fine for a long time. PErhaps a new cable is something I could try, but it's fucking weird it's happening when Windowed on YT but not when fullscreen

Hmm, I wonder

[reef patrol]

nVidia?

[severe phoenix]

I'm going to download the video

Yeah

RTX Super video thing is not on, don't worry

[reef patrol]

The dynamic range and colour format is a good place to check.

[ashen spindle]

have you tried a non chromium browser?

[severe phoenix]

I tried Edge and Chrome besides Firefox

I don't see it on my SD or LCD monitor

LCD monitor not attached to main PC though

[ashen spindle]

hmm I know nvidia has had artifacting issues on chromium for months and nothing got changed yet but if firefox also has it idk

[severe phoenix]

I'm gonna download the video

[ashen spindle]

try in the chrome flags menu to set the angle api from default to opengl

[severe phoenix]

Flags menu?

[ashen spindle]

chrome://flags in the address bar

[severe phoenix]

Hey

That worked

[ashen spindle]

for me it only was flickering of a page for a second on tweetdeck nothing more thankfully

but it's a known nvidia issue for months by now and nothing happens

[severe phoenix]

MONTHS? God

How unobservant am I

So wait this should happen on all NVIDIA stuff, doesn't need ot be OLED?

[ashen spindle]

well you see its not consistent or even the same for most users

this is what it caused for someone on reddit

[reef patrol]

I see those artifacts daily here with Chrome.

[ashen spindle]

try changing the flag then to opengl

[reef patrol]

No change

[ashen spindle]

rip

[severe phoenix]

Daily?!

[reef patrol]

As in constantly.

[ashen spindle]

any of the DX settings also dont fix it?

[reef patrol]

Since I always have chrome open on one half of my screen

[ashen spindle]

also try hardware acceleration off

[reef patrol]

Hell no 😄

[ashen spindle]

just to see if it changes it, not for permanent

[reef patrol]

I'll live with it.

[severe phoenix]

Hmm I don't see it on my NVIDIA Laptop,

Weird

[ashen spindle]

yeah it is not consistent at all

In your browser setting

Search for performance

Find memory saver

Below memory saver,

You can add a whitelist

Add every website that you prefer or having weird checkerboard artifact.

Example:youtube.com or twitter.com(X)
try that @reef patrol

[severe phoenix]

Huh, the pattern is diferent now in this video, instead of the weird vertical lines it's little small barely visible circles

Gonna change it back from openGL and see if the old pattern returns

As long as it's not my monitor I guess nothing I can do but wait

Yep, switched back to default, pattern re-appears.

[ashen spindle]

can also try dx9 or so, or the memroy setting

some speculate its a windows update causing it but people also have had it before the supposed time so idk

[severe phoenix]

Can I change sometihng like this in Firefox to be sure?

[ashen spindle]

I dont think in firefox it can happen even on dx11

[severe phoenix]

But it happens in firefox for me

that's how I saw this

[ashen spindle]

ah hm

there should be something like it I dont remember how to get there

was it about:config or was that a chrome thing too

[severe phoenix]

About config yeah

Maybe the same Angle thing

Damn, I see angle but only dx11 iis an option

Gonna try turning HW accell off

Yep, turned it off

Pattern is gone

Damn, I needed to be asleep an hour ago but as I soon saw this I was like fuuuck

I was really happy with this RMA for my Alienware, it's fairly new, made in late September, no dead pixels and had less than an hour on time from what I can tell, basically perfect, I'd be upset if some random issue popped up like this on it. I mean it's still in warranty for another like year and a half, but I'd hate to do the ol' back and fourth

[ashen spindle]

yeah it seems you just hit the nvidia issue and the screen is fine

[severe phoenix]

Was about to watch a video, pass out, saw that pattern and was freaking out lol

[latent mural]

i get these daily on any chromium based browser too lol

[sterile plover]

me 3

those annoying black checkered box, and thanks to quin for the solution!

[cinder tinsel]

Can someone find me navy, black and white mouse pad with the size 90x40 cm

[woven laurel]

do you want airmiles with it?

[cinder tinsel]

what is that

mostly i just want the navy colour cuz recently i got a new set of keycaps for my keyboard and instead of colour black they are navy, and i want to change my mouse pad to something similar

[stuck surge]

how much do you pay

[halcyon moss]

https://www.tinytronics.nl/shop/image/cache/catalog/products_2022/usb-c-3.1-female-to-dip-adapter-1500x1500.jpg

seeing it like this is just silly haha

[cinder tinsel]

how much for what

[soft mortar]

has anyone tried ceramic keykaps on the full size wooting?

[woven laurel]

yes

its too heavy for l45 and a bit too heavy for l60

havent tried this but asked tirade this same question

[soft mortar]

i mean with other switches you can mod the spring to be stiffer ... like taking a balpoint penn spring is ideal in many other ... but could you also do this with theses switches ithout damaging them =

[reef patrol]

Dimensions are different from normal Cherry switches. But we are working on a box of springs with various weights that release soon™️

[slate holly]

How do I bind left joystick down on controller a bind on the wooting

[mild dome]

I have, and it works great for every key except the space bar as it's the heaviest

If you want to use ceramic keys the spacebar is just barely light enough to do a full return. (Maybe it's better with cerakeys v2?), but a ai would recommend just using a different spacebar

[iron wave]

I'm thinking about making a stupid cluster.

5 small form factor Dells (or similar), each with a SFP+ card with 10Gb and a 10Gb switch connected with direct attach copper and an ethernet SFP+ module.

[wary skiff]

New to the chat is it possible to change the stabs on the board and if so why are the best to replace with for thocky build

[ashen spindle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding probably can help

[wary skiff]

Thanks

[slate holly]

How do I bind left joystick down on controller a bind on the wooting

[reef patrol]

By ... Binding it?

[slate holly]

omg I see it

MB

[pale sigil]

would yall say a 7900x is good value for money?

[soft mortar]

i havent actually bought a keyboard yet ... i need a full size thats why i wanna get the 2he ... but now you gonna release the 80 he soon .. is there also a relevant full size release planed that i should maybe wait for best ? can you even say anything about this .. otherwhise id just get the 2 he ...

[soft mortar]

yeah thought so ... thats why i thought bout modding it ... but apparenly this is not a thing yet ... thank you though ^^ ( also can you recomend cera keys ? or are they just a fun gimmik )

[mild dome]

I am using them right now on my 60HE, and it works well. Allows a lot of light to transfer through, and as I said before only the space bar is problematic. Cerakeys V1 had a few issues due to the ceramic stems (which tended to warp in the oven), V2 have replaced the ceramic stems with plastic ones that are very solid whilst retaining the ceramic noise and feel.
Only issue is that the ceramic surface is quite slick, and are not shaped to capture the fingers. so some do not appreciate it for gaming,

Yeah replacing the spring has two problems

1. the size isn't standard mx, the Lekker switches use a much wider spring
   2, The spring cannot be magnetic as the Lekker uses magnetism

We found a spring we thought might've worked, but when I tested it, it was magnetic. So until Lord of Ducks announces a new spring

[pale sigil]

I meant xt sorry

Gpu

[soft mortar]

you said uncomfortable ? like is it really bad? is there any way i can test it before somehwere? i actually didnt think about it ... also the light passtrough is actually really nice i think

[mild dome]

I didn't mean uncomfortable, I said slick. There isn't much traction. If your fingers tend to slip around on smooth surfaces, it might be an issue if you have very sweaty finger tips

[soft mortar]

okay no fuck that ... thank you ... i have really really sweaty hands

need to clean my keyboard and mouse monthly ... like deepclean .. its fucking horrible

[mild dome]

Cerakeys in theory will be making a textured ceramic set, but have not stated a timeline

[raw zephyr]

not sure about value, but i have the 7900xtx and couldn't be happier with the switch to team red

[halcyon moss]

Don't you have a 2080?

[ashen spindle]

Yeah no real point going from 3080 to the 900xt

[fair gull]

dont most games not even benefit much from that jump

[ashen spindle]

It is a minor upgrade

[fair gull]

id guesstimate depending on the game somehwere between 10-30% fps increase

basically the same situation im in

id love to upgrade but the gain isnt all too much

[ashen spindle]

Yeah

Well, if you spend much more for a 4090 the gains are there, the value less so

[fair gull]

ye no i wont spend whats basically 66% of my current price estimate for a full upgrade of cpu, mobo, gpu and ram in just the gpu

[raw zephyr]

4090 is like a fine wine, it just gets more and more expensive, at least here

makes no sense seriously

[woven laurel]

wine gets better with age the 4090 doesnt

[ashen spindle]

Because no supply, gotta move everything to sell to China before that gets blocked

[thick elk]

Talking about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fW5SLFphU
Some good points on 12vhpwr still be bad.

[raw zephyr]

oh yeah and this connector

this was the main reason why i went with amd this gen

this just screams fire hazard lol

[ashen spindle]

Got mine undervolted and power limited so it draws much less so I’ll not worried about that at least and cable has lots of room before it bends away from the slot

[thick elk]

Personally would not go that far, if you are careful you'll be fine.

[ashen spindle]

But yes I really hope they just ditch that going forward

[thick elk]

Down-rating would also help

go that far as in avoid nvidia for it.

undervolting in general makes sense

[ashen spindle]

Use EPS if you need more power and insist on less connections but ditch this shitshow

But not much hope for that

[thick elk]

Pretty much, I also wouldn't mind a new connector altogether that fixes the flaws of this one and comes with a good safety margin.

If anything just add to pins to the 8pin and double it's current.

[ashen spindle]

Eps says hi

[stuck surge]

atx 3.1 is supposed to fix it

[ashen spindle]

video shows how it doesnt

[stuck surge]

which video

[ashen spindle]

scroll up to what started the talk?

[stuck surge]

this connector in general is stupid

because 4090 doesnt need 450w

its efficiency curve of overclocking is really bad

since it can be near 100% at like 350w irrc

[ashen spindle]

you dont even need to run rendering to get it to draw even mroe

often it uses a lot less yes but it can easily draw more

[stuck surge]

i mean power limiting the card doesnt decrease performance that much

its a very efficient card

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt change that it can draw more quite easily

[stuck surge]

6900xt can also draw 800w

if you push it

[ashen spindle]

yeah

but flagship card that is power limited on stock would be really weird

[stuck surge]

obviously

nvidia wanted that extra 5%

[rich remnant]

What was the announcement at the end of the year btw?

[reef patrol]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1186265045227802714

[pale sigil]

"the internet is shit"

She's on mobile data -_-

Don't call my wifi shit when you're not even using it!

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

when you only need to see the thumbnail to know its about apples ram scam

[reef patrol]

Heh

[thick elk]

Yup, overcharging for more ram is sort of fine, but at least make the baseline sensible for a device in the price range

same with storage

[ashen spindle]

just dont solder the ram and charge extra for pre installed

so people could upgrade if they want but you can still scam the lazy ones

that's apples fault for using MoP when off package would work just as well

I think some dells do

but its a jedec standard since last year

dont think anything happened yet since it was first used and the turned into jedec

so the same dell workstations but not anyone else yet

[thick elk]

That doesn't sound healthy, good night.

[vernal void]

i7-14700Kf or 7800X3d

[ashen spindle]

those are cpus yes

[vernal void]

what

[ashen spindle]

you put two names into chat without any question or whatever for it

[mild dome]

Jedec released the standard for all to use 3 week ago, so sadly we won't see much use anytime soon
https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/joao-silva/jedec-standardises-new-ddr5-camm2-memory-modules/

[ashen spindle]

https://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-expands-camm-standardization-include-two-key-memory-technologies i am aware

[ashen spindle]

https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/ damn

exploiting a vulnerability in an undocumented hardware feature
gee thanks apple

This instruction existed since the early 90’s

[severe phoenix]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/C09H-fFuHRY/

[odd sleet]

If someone could join the general chit chat vc to help with my pc not posting would be a big help

I just got new aio cooler and i have two red lights on my mobo

But even before installing a new one i got a new cpu ram and motherboard and its all compatible but i didnt have the brackets for my other aio cooler so im using a single fan corsair cooler now to see but idk

[vagrant pagoda]

OK this is the wierdest issue ive ever had. My og launch 360 had a rattle. Assumed it was broken plastic. I now have the bare mobo, and the mobo rattles.

[severe phoenix]

https://ph3at.github.io/posts/Ray-Coop-Camera/

[crimson wigeon]

aw, no download link?

[old marlin]

that looks nauseating

also they SUCK at marble madness

[fair gull]

sounds like its orientation sensor

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah i guess they have foam that goes bad and they get noisy

[fair gull]

i wouldnt know of anything else that would remain functional while rattling

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/1/24021950/steam-has-now-officially-stopped-supporting-windows-7-windows-8-and-windows-8-1

End of an era... I guess

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

The last good operating systems are going back to dust

And the ones that are mediocre will soon follow

All we are left with is just borderline terrible stuff which leaves me in a bit of a dilemma

[raw zephyr]

just use linux if you hate new windows this much

[cursive summit]

I hate linux as much as I hate Windows 11

Well actually.. maybe a tiny bit less

[raw zephyr]

skill issue

[cursive summit]

Neither are usable for me

[raw zephyr]

you should use BSD on your desktop

[final flame]

just customize linux until it's usable for you
that's the whole point of it

[blazing jungle]

Press (Fn+Win) will not lock win keypress ? is that normal ? for 60he

[reef patrol]

That's not the shortcut to lock winkey though.

https://wooting.io/wooting-60he-quickstart#shortcut

[blazing jungle]

ahh thanks - got it now.... FN+Cap+win to lock it

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw6rl_mnfnQ

[mint skiff]

Do y'all think if I should wait to upgrade my gpu until the next gpu generation (aka Radeon 8000 or RTX 5000 series), atm I have a 3080 10gb but at 4k it's not always able to keep up

[reef patrol]

Yes.

[mint skiff]

Thought so, nvidia is overpriced and anything besides a 7900xtx wouldn't be that much of an upgrade anyways

Figured you guys know your stuff about hardware, so wanted your opinions lol

[ashen spindle]

it depends on what you want

if you want value waiting is always good, if you have money and want to upgrade to enjoy games more, only wait till next week so the super refresh comes and the prices are a bit better

rtx50 isn't going to be this year

[mint skiff]

Wasn't it aiming for 2025?

[ashen spindle]

yes... and that's not this year

[mint skiff]

Fair enough, I was gonna go to a 7900xtx but I read on a LOT of places that those cards are not all equal and there's a pretty high chance of getting a flawed one, also I use nvidia encoding a lot so that would also not work anymore

[ashen spindle]

huh what place says those are flawed

[zenith silo]

Someone I knew had a 7900xtx that always had constant issues

Every other person I've talked to it worked amazing

[ashen spindle]

yeah and I have issues on my 4090, annecdotal ones never matter

[zenith silo]

Yeah I've only talked to a single person who had issues with a 7900xtx

Everyone else said it was basically flawless 🤷

[mint skiff]

I've heard 3 very big problems
Idle power consumption with multiple monitors is over 100W
Hotspot on the card will often go to about 110+ celsius
And the AMD main course: drivers

[latent mural]

https://tenor.com/view/filter4jm-gif-13406615214085762610

[ashen spindle]

driver are fine and have been fine for years

temperature isn't an issue and the only part where it got too hot was when they got some issues with broken coolers on the stock cards, those got replaced

[mint skiff]

yeah something with the vapor chamber

[ashen spindle]

idle power is fixed for most cases too, idk for which combinations it might still be high

yeah vapor chamer was made with an issue, but that was fixed and also not an issue for many people if they never moved the card a certain way

or if you just have a good AiB version from sapphire or so that never was an issue either

[mint skiff]

Was looking at a sapphire nitro+, but those were literally about 20% more expensive

[mint skiff]

That is true, I most likely wont tho since I'm going back to college and am gonna need everything I can get

[ashen spindle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding

[trim mica]

Ohhh mb didn’t see that channel

[reef patrol]

What kind of latency should I be aiming for, @ashen spindle ? I am so behind the times and still stuck in DDR4 land 😄

[ashen spindle]

ddr5? just anything 6000 is fine

[reef patrol]

Aight.

So this would be fine? Following your recommendation to grab a single 32GB for now and add another later?
https://www.alternate.dk/ADATA/Hukommelse/html/product/1886330
https://www.adata.com/storage/downloadfile/datasheet_xpg_lancer_rgb_ddr5_memory_v5.pdf
CL 30-40-40

[ashen spindle]

if you get bored you can then try some timings from hub or buildzoid and just see if it works to improve it but as usual that only makes any difference if you're 1080p with a good gpu

yeah

do the usualy check if its on QVL to be safe

[reef patrol]

Good point.

ASRock B650 PG LIGHTNING is the mobo I picked so far. Mostly based on price and being familiar with Assrock 😄

[mint skiff]

Building a new pc?

[reef patrol]

Sort of.

Replacing my 5600X based parts. Got random reboots 3-4 times a day, and I've narrowed it down to Mobo or CPU at this point.

[ashen spindle]

what was your resolution and gpu again

[reef patrol]

1440PUW and a 3080

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/KbqNBL
This is what I've got so far.

[ashen spindle]

yeah unless you turn into csgo player or similar suddenly there isnt much difference in ram setups

[reef patrol]

(And yes I will be swapping the EK block for something else when I get the time to go looking)

[ashen spindle]

like even with ddr5 you can still find plenty of cases that say use low tuned dual channel but like, that's then tested on 1080p with a 4090

[reef patrol]

I'll grab another DIMM asap anyway, just to make sure it doesn't suddenly vanish. I don't want to mix timings 😄

[ashen spindle]

smh no fun allowed

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

I remember thinking ram cant be mixed at all or bad stuff happens

then I find someone saying nah it might just not work but often means you can just allign timings

then I just put a 3rd stick into my ddr3 system and it was fine with 12gb total

[reef patrol]

I've been running mismatched, locked to one of the set's XMP since the 5600X released. But considering my current predicament, I'd like to hedge my bets for the time being and stay safe.

Gotta save up for that 5080 after all.

[final flame]

damnit windows

welp time to wipe icon cache

[reef patrol]

Alright. Hardware ordered.
Now begins the waiting game.

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-package-package-donde-esta-gif-26297469

[ashen spindle]

checked qvl?

[reef patrol]

Not an exact match but it had QVL on higher rated latency variants of the same kit.

Grabbed a Heatkiller 4 pro.

Tubing and coolant not in stock, so I'll have to wait another week for that.

[balmy vector]

Can i eat it?

[ashen spindle]

well I wish you luck that you wont get cursed components

[stone thicket]

I think you feel us right now

[reef patrol]

I am channeling that raw, WHERE PACKAGE energy right now.

[stone thicket]

Yep, that's what I'm talking about 😄

Usually I'm so impatient, that I often pay way more to get things "here and now"

[reef patrol]

I'd be a lot more patient if it wasn't all purchased to prevent my PC from randomly rebooting several times a day. Just an altogether not fun situation. 😄

[cursive summit]

Get the upcoming 4080 Super

Seems like the only thing that's going to be worth its money since it slots into 4080 price bracket while being superior

Or second hand 4080s at that point

Waiting meself to check on the pricing of 4070Ti Super before I buy something

[vernal void]

These good?

Asus B650M-Plus TUF Gaming Wi-Fi motherboard
AMD RyzenTM 7 7800X3D Processor
Corsair iCUE H100i RGB Elite 240mm Water Cooling
Corsair MP600 Core XT 2TB PCIe 4.0 SSD
Kingston Fury Beast 16GB DDR5-6000 RAM
Asus Geforce® RTX 4070 OC 12GB ProArt
Corsair iCUE 465X RGB VG Edition
Corsair CX750F RGB 750W 80+ (Modular) BL
Kingston NV2 4TB M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD

[reef patrol]

Any specific reason for mATX?

[cursive summit]

Nothing wrong with mATX

[umbral heron]

€25~50 cheaper it seems

[cursive summit]

I wouldn't build on an ASUS board ever again but if you like it, it's fine

[umbral heron]

AsRock 💪

[reef patrol]

Indeed. But the case allows for ATX, so I'd recommend spending the bit more for the ATX version to get a bit more room between PCI-E components.

[cursive summit]

H100i is WAY too expensive though

[cursive summit]

Unless you 1) Already own one 2) Can find it under 100$, Arctic Freezer 360 is way superior to a Corsair H100i

[ashen spindle]

unless you want it for looks a watercooler is a waste on the 7800

aircooler less than half the price does the job

[cursive summit]

That too, 40-50$ air cooler will do

[reef patrol]

Mhmm. Slap a big ole air cooler on it and use the price difference on some RGB halo rings, if you MUST have moar RGB.

[cursive summit]

That ASUS GPU though is a waste of money, there should be cheaper options than the ProArt line

[umbral heron]

Also 4070 is not very... up there with price/perf ratio

[crisp granite]

solid

[cursive summit]

Like whole Nvidia's GPU lineup with RTX 4000 series?

[crisp granite]

I would say the 4060 is doing better than the rest
especially for the prices they retail at here

[cursive summit]

There is not a single card in RTX 40 stack that I could genuinely say "is worth buying"

[odd sleet]

Anyone know why my motherboard could be giving red lights I’ve tried so many things. Switched ram around remounted gpu it’s only went into bios twice out of like 20 trys.

[cursive summit]

Other than 4090 but that's a workstation Titan card so idgaf, not a gamer/non-professional consumer card

[cursive summit]

How many lights though

[umbral heron]

And which ones

[cursive summit]

Well considering they are troubleshooting, 95% mobo error code lights

[crisp granite]

ok, here's my suggestion
consult the manual
depending on what lights are on, that'll help you pinpoint the actual issue

instead of just doing random shit and hoping for a good outcome

[stuck surge]

I made a mistake of getting microatx and i couldnt plug my front ports

[cursive summit]

Situations like these is literally where I every single keep remembering this GN rant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEjH775UeNg

[umbral heron]

Which mobo error code LEDs I meant

[cursive summit]

That GN rant is genuinely epic

[crisp granite]

ngl that rant was perfectly fair

I'm happy that ITX mobos have no real space for that kind of crap

but they still charge like it

[stuck surge]

4080 is the best price to perf for work

[cursive summit]

Yeah, sure

4080 Super will be even more

[stuck surge]

thats cuz a lot of stuff uses those cuda cores

[cursive summit]

I don't remember at all hearing anything about RDNA4 launch date

[ashen spindle]

computex

[stuck surge]

why would people talk about rdna4 now

[cursive summit]

If Nvidia is 2025, waiting another full year for new stuff is pain

Last gen launch was late 22/early 23

We need new gen

[stuck surge]

New gpus shouldnt come out untill at lest october

[crisp granite]

assuming past schedules hold true
we're less than a year to a new gen's launch

[crisp granite]

by this point, specs are being finalised, space to fab is being booked, etc

[ashen spindle]

computex is when rdna4 should be launched that's towards the end of H1

[cursive summit]

That would be fun

[umbral heron]

RDNA4 Wonder if switching to 8800/8900 would be worth the hassle

[ashen spindle]

idk when fianancia analyst day and such are, if its before we get infos there

[cursive summit]

I wonder if they are actually just launching mid range cards only

[stuck surge]

I might look into buying next gen but i also totally expect the gpus to not improve much

[cursive summit]

I love my RX 5700

[crisp granite]

that would...be questionable at best

[cursive summit]

Would be nice if they launched a 500$ max card that performs like a.. 4080 lol

[ashen spindle]

we know the halos skus are in the dumpster, we dont know how much they are pushing the remaining ones

[cursive summit]

That is the info we have for now

[crisp granite]

yep...

[stuck surge]

i need a card that can do 4k 240

[ashen spindle]

wait for 2026

[crisp granite]

that would mean either their GPUs are so potent that they can afford to ditch top skus (not plausible)
or the plan is just to bring price to performance back to a reasonable place where it matters (also rather confusing, considering costs are rising to manufacture overall)

[stuck surge]

No way thats happening

[cursive summit]

At best it'd be a 4070

[crisp granite]

pretty sure the 4070 already retails for rather close to that

such a release would be a massive disappointment

[cursive summit]

I damn wish lol

[ashen spindle]

no halo sku got canned because 3d stacking is expensive and hard as fuck to do and not fail (like intels PVC) and it would have taken them at least another half year and also delay future gens to make that work

[cursive summit]

Wait why are 4070s below 500$

The pricing actually normalized?

[crisp granite]

more like "demand isn't there"

[cursive summit]

Oh wait lol there's a single seller that prolly mispriced their 4070s and are selling at like 30% discount lol

No wonder I was bugging

All others are 600$+

[ashen spindle]

sounds like you get an amazon delivery with a brick if you order from that one seller

[cursive summit]

It's a legit local retailer

And they listed more than a single card which is odd

[reef patrol]

Arguably more useful too.

[stuck surge]

7900xtx costs more normal now but too late

[ashen spindle]

did they forget tax on it?

[cursive summit]

How is a 4070 for 455 euros?

[cursive summit]

Not a thing here in litauen lel

They basically -200 euros on all 4070s

I kinda need a card, could be worth buying one

[ashen spindle]

does smell kinda fishy

[cursive summit]

Real place, doubt it's fishy

Pretty sure I bought from them a few times

[reef patrol]

All the same - hedge your bets and use a payment option where you can chargeback easily if they scam you.

[crisp granite]

like most of the baltics

[cursive summit]

I mean yes, it's smelt season

[umbral heron]

Huh

[crisp granite]

:o

[umbral heron]

They were 3200~3500zł not that long ago

[crisp granite]

nothing beats smelts, potatos and onions in the morning

especially if they're smoked

[cursive summit]

They damn were

Now there's a bunch for sub-500 euros which is odd

They are prolly offloading in prep for SUPER launch no?

[crisp granite]

probably tbh
initial orders would have been placed by now

[cursive summit]

And this is a place that does dropshipping I'm pretty sure

They don't buy stuff themselves into warehouses, just a buy n forward type of stuff from local big warehouses

So some big logistical warehouse must be clearing stock or something

[umbral heron]

Even in IT shops they're for 2700zł, interesting, looks a lot like offloading for Super launch

[cursive summit]

Just the 4070s?

[crisp granite]

4060s are cheaper than before as well

[cursive summit]

Cause in this shop all other prices are normal

[crisp granite]

not by as much

[cursive summit]

Just the 4070 is oddly cheap

Has to be a flash sale just to get rid of stock

I don't recall at all how good is the 4070 nowadays lel, how does it do vs 7800XT?

Wait lol what

No they arent selling just 4070 for cheaper

Also 4060

But that's not getting a SUPER variant

Why's it 240 lol, that's insane

[umbral heron]

4060s are down too, from 1700~1800 to 1350~1400zł 👀

[crisp granite]

yep

nice

[cursive summit]

But why

Nvidia dropping prices?

[umbral heron]

[cursive summit]

4060 for 240 euros is actually a really good deal

4070 for 450 is also pretty great

They even selling 7800XT for less than usual huh

A bit.. sus

[umbral heron]

Some shops still keep their old price, but a lot of offers has gone down

[cursive summit]

4070Ti, 4080 and 7900XTX are priced normally though

Why specific models on insane discounts

Oh wait even 4070Ti is priced lower

This just has to be a pricing error

Yeah this particular shop somehow is just priced far lower than anything else, a bit weird

[umbral heron]

Here 4070Ti still keeps its old price
Still, 1200zł difference between 4070 and 4070Ti is insane 👀

[cursive summit]

Indeed the pricing difference between non-Ti and Ti is way too massive

3070 (Ti) was 499$ -> 599$ for comparison

With RTX 40 it's like 300$ dfference lel

Although I should prolly get AMD again cause it seems 7800XT kicks 4070s buttocks a bit https://youtu.be/8qBQ0eZEnbY

[umbral heron]

Huh, solid 50% improvement over my 6700, nice
And it's a bit under 4070 in price too

[cursive summit]

It's also 417 euros rn lol

I might place an unpaid order with checkout on delivery, in case they cancel

While I kinda want to buy Nvidia, AMD is just undercutting them with stronger products hard

Really difficult to justify spending far more for NV

Huh, massive differences in clocks

Boost is nearly the same but some cards are just clocked way down

Not too sure if that matters at all?

[umbral heron]

ig it only matters in idle/low-power apps
In gaming it'll boost nevertheless

[cursive summit]

Ah it's just techpowerup listing bad specs

It's the same thing in practice

Although seems that Jiggybyte might have increased the TDP on theirs cause their model actually gets higher clocks

That should be doable manually though methinks

I wonder if paying more for the Sapphire is worth it nowadays, they used to be THE AMD brand

[umbral heron]

Afaik Windows allows for power limit boost by 15%, on Linux I can do max 30% - 186~>242W
Not sure if it's possible to OC graphics cards like you'd do with CPUs though

[rich remnant]

When is the 480hz oled dropping

[cursive summit]

Never

[umbral heron]

Why would you want to drop it, it'll be hella expensive

[ashen spindle]

yeah if you use powerplaytables you can do a lot still

but not really worth it as much

[rich remnant]

27" 1440p 480hz OLED

[ashen spindle]

wait for ces

[umbral heron]

Bummer GPUs are still so limited
I'd love for AMD and Nvidia finally allow for SRIOV in consumer GPUs

[woven laurel]

my 1660 TI is running like a train

this might also be the fact that most games I play are cpu bound

[umbral heron]

And I don't really need more than my 6700 for 1080p60 gaming
It's just my brother's GPU looks a bit like it wants to die in foreseeable future, so I can give him mine and get myself something new

[woven laurel]

[final flame]

the most action my 2080 gets is in photoshop

[rich remnant]

Wheng is cex

[ashen spindle]

a great question to put into google

[ionic knot]

Hey guys

Which tape is best to use on my wooting?

for a very cool sound

[ashen spindle]

try #🔧│keyboard_modding

[ionic knot]

Ok but do yk which tape?

[ashen spindle]

no

[ionic knot]

Ok

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMfk-zP4xr0
Ding dong the AI shit channels are dead (or dying)

[smoky frigate]

I fully expected him to be in his channel awesome-tier fake set for this one lol

[thick elk]

Oh god this mouse looks pretty terrible:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0295/5988/1807/files/aa9d52364b405f9f5588526dd1c1bc20.png?v=1704080194

Let's use holes everywhere, also lets make the mouse 88g it just looks really uncomfortable.

[fickle ore]

Nice PVC, toxic mouse too!

[stuck surge]

if it has no thumb hold and 4 side buttons its a pass

[ionic knot]

GUYS

I NEED HELP

Which tape should I buy

This one ?

[smoky frigate]

what for?

[ionic knot]

Keyboard mod

[smoky frigate]

masking tape turns to dust after not very long

[pale sigil]

https://youtu.be/6poF-Z0ajhE

[smoky frigate]

if you want to put sticky stuff into your keeb, take golden masking tape like in the thumbnail

it looks orange-y, is thinner and lives far longer

t. professional tape user

[umbral heron]

Blue Scotch is also pretty good

[ionic knot]

So should I not buy that one

[smoky frigate]

nope

[gaunt obsidian]

i dont hear much of a difference, is it just me?

[umbral heron]

I'd say there's more difference in person

[pale sigil]

Hard to record the difference

[ionic knot]

This tape ?

[umbral heron]

Isn't it a duct tape?

[ionic knot]

Bro idk what tape

[pale sigil]

Where are you shopping lpl

Guessing local for that price

[ionic knot]

At the local corner shop 😭😭

😂😂

[smoky frigate]

if you want to use the type of tape you first posted, get 3M 501E, it's the best of its kind

[ionic knot]

Is the tape on Amazon