🤩│wooting60hev2

[neat kestrel]

mine arives 11~15 dec :p

[gleaming bronze]

noicee

[neat kestrel]

tbhh wish the founder's perks were better

idk what could be better but it seems more or less than well idkk

tbh I'm mostly just here for the keyboard lel

[maiden steppe]

I need Mouse recommendations

[plain dawn]

wym sticker pack is everything lmao

[neat kestrel]

logic superlight 2

[plain dawn]

or aerox 3

[neat kestrel]

tbh not that much into retro, and the stickers aren't even cute 😭

[maiden steppe]

I don't like Logitech

[neat kestrel]

the mouse though

just focusing on the mouse

[plain dawn]

Steel series aerox 3. cheap too

[maiden steppe]

I'll look into it

[lunar minnow]

medium mouses: lamzu maya x, wlmouse beastx, pulsar x2 crazylight medium, razer vv3p/dav4p
small mouses: hitscan hyperlight, pulsar x2 crazylight mini, wlmouse beastx mini

[maiden steppe]

Thank you 😊 gore

[astral rock]

Hitscan, Pulsar, Logitech, and Razer I can see.
I wouldn't trust wlmouse or lamzu as far as I could throw them.

(and I hate razer, but that's a different issue)

[solemn surge]

Just because they're smaller companies doesn't mean they make bad products

[astral rock]

it's where they're headquartered

[solemn surge]

Lol

[astral rock]

and all of the implications the corporation being incorporated in that place has on IP and practices

(I'm aware that everything mice related is manufactured in that area; it's not the manufacturing that's the issue)

[solemn surge]

Who gives a shit tho?

Genuinely

As a xonsumer if you get a good product you get a good product

[astral rock]

Imagine that.

#💬│general message

Because of shit like this.
That's why.

And maybe these two mice companies that somehow sell similar/equivalent products as Hitscan, Pulsar, and Razer are selling "good products" and maybe they didn't engage in that same type of behavior.

But it's still a problem in the entire industry, and as stated, there's nothing you can do to a PRC incorporated company when they steal IP, reverse engineer designs, fake trademarks, and engage in other deceptive business practices.

Who cares about this?

Actual product developers who get their stuff cloned and consumers who are aware of it.

[slim mural]

what's the context with these mice brands?

[astral rock]

Hitscan, Pulsar Logitech, and Razer all make mice and are all incorporated in places that have robust IP laws and trademarks and such and they are pretty well-established brands.

Lamzu and wlmouse were also recommended by a member in the same context as those brands, but those two companies much newer and are both incorporated in a country that has no IP laws or trademark protections outside of their own domain.

and I'm just saying that I wouldn't trust crap from new companies incorporated in that area competing with well-established brands with their first products

[vast dagger]

Nvidia and AMD have all done equally as shady things for benchmarks if not more so

[astral rock]

not talking about the cooked benchmarks here, talking more generally about IP theft

[stiff pumice]

i just wished it was 30 instead of 20 heisty switches so i could fill the majority of the board

[astral rock]

you could buy 100g springs for the entire board 😄

[slim mural]

i guess that's fair enough

i mean WL cloned the Finalmouse ULX shape

[astral rock]

to be fair, mouse shapes are all suuuuper simialr lol
but some clones are more blatant than others

[slim mural]

for sure

[vast dagger]

Right, but this is just lumping all Chinese brands together and saying bad

[slim mural]

also hows it going wootgang

i just woke up lmao

[astral rock]

No, this is saying, specifically, that two very recently established brands that are somehow very competitive with their first products, incorporated in the PRC, don't pass my personal smell test.

specifically mice brands

[vast dagger]

Which mice brands aren't recently established? They all aside from the big players just buy off the shelf parts and put it in a shell it's not rocket science

[astral rock]

and I am making a factually true that the PRC has zero interest in enforcing IP protection or trademark protection from anywhere else in the world within PRC borders, and I am making a factually true statement that when IP theft occurs and reverse engineering occurs in the PRC, that there is no recourse to the victim.

The weak assertion is that it's suspicious when wlmouse and lamzu come out of nowhere with immediately successful first products.

[vast dagger]

Pulsar and hitscan do exactly that and are also recently established

[astral rock]

Pulsar and Hitscan aren't incorporated in the PRC.

[vast dagger]

Right so my point on China stands

[astral rock]

Meaning that if they stole IP, they could be held accountable.

Right and so does this guy's:

[vast dagger]

Wait till you find out how Gateron and other big switch brands got their start

[solemn surge]

Everyone copies everyone

[sinful plover]

wait until you find out how thomas edison got hit start

[astral rock]

Yeah, switches, being complex to manufacture, but relativelyt simple (on their face) low-tech things, lend themselves very well to production in that region.

And it's pretty hard to claim any sort of IP infringement when you're manufacturing to such a well established size standard.

Switches were always a free for all, and always will be.

[vast dagger]

They actually weren't a free for all until the cherry patent expired but Gateron and others were making their clones before that

[astral rock]

well, the HE switches were kinda weird Cherry hybrid things, so possibly a legal gray area.

I'm not a patent atty and haven't read the patent on Cherry to know what was and what wasn't patented.

if it was the stem and the form factor, then yeah, I can see why the patent would slow competition down.

if it was the latching mechanism, then that wouldn't stop HE at all

(though I think gateron was cloning actual mechanical switches before HE existed)

[vast dagger]

Yes but that was how they started was cloning MX cherry switches

[astral rock]

not surprising at all

You'd have to be insane to make a switch anywhere other than mainland China right now. hehe.

and once the molds and the plastic spec is out there.... there's not much left to a switch that you can protect

It's different when you're talking about keyboards or even mice, because of the firmware, the boards, the ICs, the software support, etc.

But with switches, it's just the object, difficult to manufacture, but a relatively simple device. It's gonna get copied.

[oblique pendant]

If you really care about this, you should make everything yourself or have everything custom made with the only similar things being the component inside. Since you can't never truly know if the company listed outside of China doesn't copy somebody else's code since everything they have is close sourced.

[lunar minnow]

wait till he finds out hitscan only has 1 mouse and it was announced aug 2024 and available to order oct 2024

and the mouse shape was kinda bsaed off the razer viper mini

[stiff pumice]

do companys only produce in china cause they have to pay less for production?

[raw herald]

I think people might be missing the forest from the trees here. I'm generally w/ @astral rock - if you don't have original ideas, you won't get improvements in your products. Buying knockoffs is a vote against original ideas, since you're funelling money away from the people that put in the effort to research and develop the product you enjoy.

[oblique pendant]

more on transport I think, since 1 factory that produces plastic shape is also very close to a factory that assemble everything together, you can make shit pretty fast pretty cheap since the transport is cheap.

[vast dagger]

Production is often better and cheaper in China

Plus they have the facilities

[raw herald]

I don't know why you'd shame someone who tries to purchase products from original creators

[vast dagger]

Yeah but his examples don't make sense because two of the brands he mentions as good also have clone shapes they just aren't from the "CRP"

[raw herald]

I guess, didn't dive into the lore in this one. But this kinda reeks of that "and yet you partake in society" comic

[vast dagger]

Lamzu has more original shapes than hitscan let's just put it like that

[tropic turret]

I would agree that you should buy the original when given the option…. BUT some companies (cough cough Razer, Logitech, Steelseries) are sitting on shapes that haven’t been re-released, updated, or even updated to usb-c.

Zowie JUST this year gave us their shapes with updated internals

[vast dagger]

Zowie's criminal with it will charge you $180 for outdated internals say you don't need them but then market those new feature on their new mice as a significant upgrade

[solemn surge]

ok then i guess apple was right for suing samsung for rectangular designs

technically they were the first!

With that home button + rectangular design

how dare you buy any smartphone

They ALL copied apple

[oblique pendant]

Gonna say this, clone/inspiration is nice as a way to provide more option for the consumer. Do you really want only a single person/company making a thing?

[tropic turret]

Thats why I envy Endgame Gear, they let others copy their XM/OP shape with minor alteration because they are confident that they can always outperform them specs wise

I have the Ninjutso Sora V2, but I’m still tempted to buy an OP1-8K sometimes

[raw herald]

We're all standing on the shoulders of giants, but it seems like a bit of an argument in bad faith if we're talking about actual clones vs building on top of others' ideas.

Everyone's got their own line. I have a buddy who's a fellow software eng and is the most proud software pirater I know. I find it a little... weird, personally, but it's not like I'm going to convince them of anything.

[tropic turret]

Its alway morally correct to pirate Adobe software 🤞

[ripe pond]

in my opinion, piracy, when broke is completely fine and doesnt hurt anyone

without it, the people who made the product or service wouldnt get paid by that pirate either way

besides, many great talents today grew up with that free media as a kid, resulting in the talent that is today

if you dont have the money for something, its completely reasonable to pirate it

oh and adobe price hikes and cancellation fees are so fucking dumb

[raw herald]

Sure if you are truly broke there's not much argument against it, but in the case I cited it's a fairly well paid software engineer, who of course makes their living based on, effectively, selling their IP.

[ripe pond]

it really depends on what hes pirating

if hes pirating a $10 game on steam, i think its kinda dumb having to scrape clean steam files, verify the hashes, etc

but if its media or adobe products, that shit is expensive as fuck

[timber nimbus]

As much as I hate adobe pricing, it’s a reasonable cost IF you live using it for your main work

[raw herald]

Literally anything possible from small to big devs 😣

[tropic turret]

Usually they have bulk pricing for businesses or student pricing for that. If you are freelance, pirating is just more convenient

[ripe pond]

not at all. adobe takes advantage of that and constantly raises prices

[vast dagger]

There's a lot of free and really good alternative applications now that cover most of the adobe suite

[raw herald]

But like, we both work for corporations. Not sure how you square that.

[timber nimbus]

Yeah like I said I don’t like their pricing, but if it’s your main job $1k a year or whatever isn’t much for your main work software and most big corps cover it for you

[ripe pond]

1k a year isnt liveable

[raw herald]

I think the “correct” solution is to use an alternative or pay for it, generally.

[timber nimbus]

I’m not talking about college kid here

[ripe pond]

huh

im confused

whos college kid here

[timber nimbus]

I’m talking about you earn say $70k--100k a year, it’s a perfectly fine business expense

Especially if it’s your main work tool

$1k isn’t much in those circumstances and that’s why adobe can charge their abusive structure

Especially when it gets negotiated down typically and counts as a write off for business

I don’t love adobe and I use affinity for that reason, but at the same time it’s not that crazy to pay $1k a year for software that you make your main living on

[raw herald]

Plus in cases like that you’re risking getting hosed if the provider finds out

[timber nimbus]

I’m actually curious about the percentage of people who pay their own adobe sub too, because I imagine a ton of them are paid for by their company unless they freelance

[ripe pond]

that's only if you're torrenting

and if u use a vpn its fine

[raw herald]

I don’t mean catch you in the act of obtaining it

But via steganography or watermarks, etc

[tropic turret]

Pirating for personal use is not punishable. If you are distributing it (software), or making profit from it, then yes the publisher can AND WILL go after you

[ripe pond]

who is pirating adobe products only to have watermarks

[raw herald]

(Also torrenting and VPNs are not mutually exclusive)

[timber nimbus]

I imagine the large amount of professionals just cannot be bothered the annoyance of pirating it too if they earn good money and their work somehow isn’t paying for it

[ripe pond]

im allegedly deep in the piracy community and allegedly pirate all my stuff,
safely without any third party tools and because i allegedly do that, the software is indistinguishable from regular software most of the time

[timber nimbus]

I think you’re missing the point here

[ripe pond]

i was responding to turingtest

[raw herald]

What’s up?

[ripe pond]

to them "catching" you

lol

specifically for myself, i do software engineering and editing commissions online to help out my family aswell as stuff specifically for me, and i can make about $20-500 per commission and occasionally more

i do make well over $5k a year, but im a kid and i dont want to even pay $200 a year for my abobe products

the only tool i pay for is gpt/codex, for rubber ducking and really repetitive hard coded projects

[raw herald]

Sorry I missed the question

[ripe pond]

yeah this is fair

[timber nimbus]

I mean that’s fine. No one here would bat an eye at someone young like you pirating adobe

[ripe pond]

its more of a moral argument for me

[timber nimbus]

In fact I’d assume most people in your situation do it

[ripe pond]

even if u make 100k a year

[tropic turret]

Another case is the student who studied and worked with paid software like Photoshop, After Effects, and Maya. Once they graduate and if they dont have work lined up afterwards, they’d have to either: A) pay for the software on a depleting cash reserve, building a portfolio while waiting for work, or B) relearn everything with a free alternative, on a depleting cash reserve, waiting for work.
I can’t think of any way you can advise against them pirating

[ripe pond]

its not morally wrong

[timber nimbus]

Well it’s more of the hassle is not worth it

[ripe pond]

its never a matter of morals in terms of piracy imo

its a matter of the hassle like u said

[raw herald]

I mean… you’re just not thinking much about it then

[astral rock]

The biggest issue with pirating is the risk of malware.

[ripe pond]

almost never*

[astral rock]

Adobe makes me angry. I curse them even with my professional license.

[timber nimbus]

If you earn 100k a year and that’s your main work tool most people are not going to spend their time making a pirate copy work or worrying about any issues

[raw herald]

If someone stole all my work and I lost my job that would be immoral, right?

[timber nimbus]

They just drop the payment for it and move on

[ripe pond]

can i have an example of this? im puzzled

[astral rock]

There are open source non adobe products that are OKAY at doing things.

There are also non subscription based alternatives, which I dislike personally, but some people like.

[grim glen]

i am a bit unsure how this entire discussion fits into a channel about a keyboard

[astral rock]

(commercial licensed non-subscription alternatives)

It really doesn't lol

[raw herald]

I’m a professional software engineer. If someone could just copy my work for free I wouldn’t get paid.

[astral rock]

probably belongs in tech heh

[raw herald]

Family wouldn’t eat, etc etc

[grim glen]

id like this topic to move out of this channel into either DMs or well... twitter or something. thanks

[ripe pond]

almost never, if u have the money for the product and would buy it anyways then its usually wrong if its an indie dev

[timber nimbus]

Tony be right, can go discuss in general or such

[raw herald]

General is a cesspool though 😃

[astral rock]

60HEV2 anodizing may not have been wooting's first choice, but I'm happy with the evolution of the choice. I really like anodizing.

glad it worked out that way, even if it means no white

[vast dagger]

Can still have white just later

[astral rock]

maybe

[timber nimbus]

I’m just glad it’s normal alu this time so I can anodize it myself if I want

[astral rock]

As opposed to cast zinc? Or was there previously cast, rather than billet machined aluminum or forged aluminum that wouldn't lend itself well to anodizing?

[timber nimbus]

Vendors aren’t setup to anodize zinc even if it’s doable is the problem

[astral rock]

yeah I meant was your comment about the past zinc designs, or a different aluminum solution

[timber nimbus]

Yeah as opposed to zinc since the vendors don’t anodize it

Optimum case is real nice for that honestly because it’s just a big chunk of alu that’s easy to anodize

[vast dagger]

Painting/e coating cnced aluminum in theory should be a lot easier

[astral rock]

Figured that was the case. I will say, the white zinc v2 on 80HE is gorgeous.

Wouldn't have minded if that was the approach on 60HEV2.

But anodizing is super durable and really nice looking and great for holding dimensions.

[astral rock]

Yeah, pretty straightforward.

[timber nimbus]

I’m pretty satisfied using the holy60 with the bottom cover and friction fitted though. It fixed enough of the sound issues for me lol

[astral rock]

But gotta watch dimensional buildup.

(or machine to account for coating thickness)

Anodizing simplifies that.

[timber nimbus]

I still need to buy a cf plate once it’s available though then I’ll be done with my personal v2 build

[astral rock]

And with a screwless design, friction fit, tolerances are really tight.

What does CF plate do for you that FR4 does not?

[timber nimbus]

I want stiffer

For my gaming builds I don’t care about bounce. I want max stiffness

[astral rock]

Not sure CF is actually stiffer than FR4 at that thickness? Would be heavily dependent on the process used for the CF.

[timber nimbus]

It’s stiffer for sure

[astral rock]

Hmmm

[timber nimbus]

I have one in my 80he already

[astral rock]

Which plate source?

[timber nimbus]

Keyboard fun shop on Ali

[astral rock]

so gonna run holy60, a CF split plate, and the V2 module in that?

[timber nimbus]

Yeah

[astral rock]

did you select switches for ultra stability too?

[vast dagger]

What colours the holy60 and which keycaps we going 👀

[timber nimbus]

Yeah I have switches planned for that too but the switches I want aren’t available yet

[astral rock]

ah

[astral rock]

are they announced or insider knowledge (won't ask if the latter)

[timber nimbus]

Not announced yet by vendor but folks will see it in next few months I think

[lunar minnow]

is it just me or is the gap between rows bigger than normal

[astral rock]

that MIGHT be a keycap choice?

[timber nimbus]

That’s just angle of photo

The gap is actually smaller than normal because these keycaps are very thick

Fbb make their keycaps really thick. To the point that sometimes you have to squeeze to get the puller in between if you have thicker puller

[astral rock]

Even the wooting doubleshot PBT with the wooting puller are pretty snug on non alpha rows of 80HE and basically an interference fit on alpha rows.

I'm guessing that board spacing on switches is the same for alpha rows on 60 as it is on 80?

[timber nimbus]

Yeah nothing changed there

[vast dagger]

Got those nothing keycaps

[timber nimbus]

I wish someone would make some camera theme keycaps

This color scheme with dash of red for lens and camera theme keycaps would be nice

[vast dagger]

There's these but maybe a bit too Leica for you and not enough Sony https://akukolabs.com/aperture-priority

[timber nimbus]

Yeah

[rare karma]

Wow, didn’t expect to see keycaps design inspired by photography/ film

Not sure how I feel about Aperture kit without reference of aperture( ring size on the F1- 13 buttons) at the same time it’s hard to make something look clean with all these different settings on a photo/ video camera .

[stiff pumice]

is there any reason why wooting doesnt utilize tmr?

[vast dagger]

TLDR it's more expensive and currently there are no TMR keyboards that outperform current HE offerings

[stiff pumice]

since the 60he v2 uses the 80he technology, according to the youtuber "miggs" who has a graph on keyboard latency the 80he has 0,611ms delay not 0,125 is that just bad tests or missinformation he got?

someone is trying to convince me that the womier sk75 has lower delay than the 80he (i know that such low numbers dont matter a lot)

im just curious really

[vast dagger]

Bit of both on his part

See fun60 pro at the bottom

[stiff pumice]

i made a mistake there the numbers are different from what i was saying

[stiff pumice]

what does this show? im confused why is the wooting 80he at 4ms

is this how long it takes for press and release not latency?

[spring stirrup]

ah yes, migss... receives the keyboard for free -> calls it "wooting killer" and the best on the market -> sells it, rinse repeat

[vast dagger]

That's with tachyon turned off look near the top for it turned on

[stiff pumice]

thats kinda a trend i have been noticing the keyboard youtube community is just a sponsor farm

[stiff pumice]

oh i didnt see it im sorry

[spring stirrup]

Key press/release latency. 80HE on top has Tachyon mode enabled, bottom disabled

[stiff pumice]

oh ok ty i was curious, the tachyon mode does make a big difference huh

well if 4 to 5ms are a difference for someone

[spring stirrup]

big difference on paper, but it's still not noticeable

[raw herald]

I can tell 😏

[stiff pumice]

the last time i pointed someone towards information from this server they just said "its a wooting moderator ofc they say their keyboard is superior"

[raw herald]

If you're comparing keyboards on speed you're already lost

[stiff pumice]

im not sure but i heard some keyboards just have extremely low delay but also low consistency,, someone said its cause of a better PCB giving true 8khz

i wish i had more knowledge ):

[astral rock]

Unfortunately, while there is some good knowledge out there on youtube, there's also a lot of shilling, lying, and posturing.

[raw herald]

The difference between 1khz and 8khz is 0.000875s between refreshes

[astral rock]

I'm not really commenting on that.

[raw herald]

That's the difference

[astral rock]

more commenting on the dubious bar graph above

[raw herald]

Average human reaction time is around 0.0025s

[astral rock]

again, not commenting on that either

[raw herald]

Just providing some context on speeds since they said they wanted to know more, not responding directly to you shadow.

[stiff pumice]

i hope rapid trigger feels as i expect it to feel like, if not then i just have a keyboard with better click feeling so win win

[astral rock]

Not talking about:

• human reaction time
• human finger movement time
• system latency affected by root hub sharing/scaling, CPU, other proceses, etc

Talking explicitly about:

• random bar graphs showing "small bar competition, big bar wooting" = wooting bad

With no explanation of test methodology, test device, test fidelity, or wootility settings.

And how youtubers misrepresent stuff when they're sponsored.

and yeah, I get it, Turing.

[rotund lotus]

We've measured the latency for the 80HE at around 0.36ms, with a standard deviation of about 0.06ms - this is best in class.

This was measured by using a solenoid to press on a key with a copper cover that would send a signal to start a timer the moment the solenoid makes contact with the keycap, and measures until the keyboard sends the key press to to the latency measuring device, in that case an XLAT device.

The reason that it's not the 0.125 theoretical max latency is because the firmware on the keyboard must scan the key to measure the change in voltage at the hall effect sensor, filter out the noise from the regular fluctuation of the magnetic field, and then submit that information to the USB device. Additionally, the measuring device has some amount of processing and computation on its end that also adds some amount of latency.

[astral rock]

now see that is a useful metric there.

[stiff pumice]

ty for the explanation

[vast dagger]

Anyway TMR is all the rage because YouTubers need something to be the next big thing otherwise who is going to want to click on a keyboard video for a keyboard that has limited offerings from what is already on the market

[slim mural]

anodizing looks so beatiful

[astral rock]

It does

[slim mural]

imho I definitely prefer anodized over e-coating/nano coat

[astral rock]

More durable too

[slim mural]

whats the difference between 5052 and 6063?

[vast dagger]

You can have some really nice e coatings if it's done right and if you want a white case you don't have much of an option

[astral rock]

5052 is usually sheet
6063 is like door jams and window frames and such.

[slim mural]

i'd definitely still go with silver, something about a matte metal shimmer just really looks beatiful

[astral rock]

6063 a little stronger, not as formable

[slim mural]

i see

[astral rock]

Doesn't really matter in a keyboard case.

You pick whatever is less costly to buy and machine

If it's a bicycle frame or a forged AR part or something, then you're more concerned about the grade.

[slim mural]

i think alumaze used 5052 correct me if I'm wrong

[slim mural]

for sure

[timber nimbus]

A lot of latency tests are also cheated btw. It’s a reason the metric is broken as a measurement tool because some manufacturers realised boards were being tested a specific way and tuned their boards to look better on the test without actually performing like that in real usage.

Notice how everyone claims crazy low latency results but then when some other people do end to end latency tests (not using the usb voltage tests that a lot of keyboard reviewers use) suddenly many of the results don’t match.

That’s before you even get into the whole ‘we allow 0.001 rt/actuation’ scam where it tests well but increases latency when you actually use it

[minor jungle]

shh i do the same thing if im getting free stuff all the time 😭

[thick forge]

mm

[karmic mural]

keycaps for my build arrived

[short hare]

OSUME SET

I still wanna get some from them too

[karmic mural]

I got a tofu60 in azure for them

it will look really nice

[karmic mural]

they have a black friday sale rn

[short hare]

yeah but the extra shipping and import fees I most likely I have to pay make it a lil biiittt

[karmic mural]

oh yeah I had to pay 21€ import

[short hare]

oh thats not too bad hehe

[karmic mural]

shipping was 10€ on top so not all that bad

[shy stump]

Can any keycaps fit on the v2?

[karmic mural]

you can get any keycap set that fits onto mx-style stems

[spring stirrup]

99% of the keycaps are compatible

[shy stump]

bet

[karmic mural]

if in doubt ask someone :d

[neat kestrel]

no low progile switches oaisejehd

awthh

[vast dagger]

How's that relevant to keycaps

[fervent umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921701858391769088/955982847745855518/image0.gif

[slim mural]

sup gang

[astral rock]

[stiff pumice]

i should get the role at some point but im too lazy to make an account

[lunar minnow]

you should cause thats where your warranty is

or technically its tied to your email but yk

same thing

[maiden steppe]

Where did you buy these

[lunar minnow]

middle box, its from osume

[raw herald]

Less than a month away from developing a nasty case of the splits
https://giphy.com/gifs/f5dWoRUBZIsqV9co14

[maiden steppe]

@lunar minnow they look so nice 😌

[lunar minnow]

yeah osume keycaps are pretty nice looking

[maiden steppe]

What's your favorite company ☺️

[lunar minnow]

pbtfans and keykobo because i own sets from both

[maiden steppe]

Amazing 😊 Gore

[ripe pond]

can u give me pbt crosshairs

ill give you ($1,000,000 / $100,000)

[outer vigil]

I ordered the wooting60 v2 module. I am planning to sell the old 60he. Planning to use the module with optimum case. I already have the case, do I need to keep the friction pad from optimum case or no? My buyer was asking if I can provide the friction pad with the alumaze case.

[spring stirrup]

You can give the friction fit pad to your buyer, because 60HE v2 module comes with it pre-installed.

[whole oak]

Do mention to them that screwing in the case is still necessary, to keep it grounded safely.

[lunar minnow]

its sold

[ripe pond]

to me

[karmic mural]

I couldn't wait and put them on my 60HE+ and oh my god they feel nice

[tropic turret]

What kind of feel do they have? Chalky, Smooth, Textured? 🎉

[karmic mural]

Kinda in between chalky and smooth

[wraith mesa]

I really want to find a nice BoW that would work with the split spacebar

[raw herald]

https://cannonkeys.com/products/pre-order-gmk-classic-bow

[vast dagger]

Does not have split spacebars in stock

[slender plank]

https://kbdfans.com/collections/keycaps/products/pbtfans-origami?variant=43511970300043

[ripe pond]

whats the difference between the + and the v2 in terms of module besides 8k polling?

[slender plank]

its in pins

[ripe pond]

oh

so nothing p much

dang

[spring stirrup]

🤨

literally whole module is different, except the screw-in stabilizers...

[ripe pond]

different foam...

[raw herald]

mb 😳

[timber nimbus]

wuque and pbtfans both do bow doubleshot pbt sets with split spacebar options

[turbid badge]

Can you first claim your rewards when they accept your order?

[spring stirrup]

https://youtu.be/6hmRHWZSeXw

[heady root]

so excited for the v2!!

[wraith mesa]

Just got my Tofu60 redux in so now I wait for my v2 split

[spring stirrup]

https://x.com/M80gg/status/1993726487263064332

M80 💣 (@M80gg)

Celebrating our Stage 1 performance and Wooting's new keyboard with a banger giveaway 😎

Make sure to:
- Follow @WootingKB and @M80gg
- Like & RT
- Tag a friend below who needs this keyboard for better movement 💀

Winner drawn in 1 week from now, good luck ⚡️

X · Nov 26, 2025, 5:00 PM

[whole oak]

Arrr matey!

[winged kindle]

Can’t wait forrrrrr the keyboarddddd 🤩

[stiff pumice]

i cant wait either can someone show me the way to the factory ill get the one i paid for

[slim mural]

me too

[maiden steppe]

Me 3

[gloomy pulsar]

me 4

[broken walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[small pewter]

Me 6

[turbid badge]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[short hare]

[karmic mural]

[dusty sundial]

Embargo release day

[rotund lotus]

Wooting Livestream AND embargo release day?? We're spoiled today

[spring stirrup]

[turbid badge]

When?

[rotund lotus]

15:30 and 16:00 CET respectively

[turbid badge]

Nice 👍🏿

[proven burrow]

my third party case, stabs, switches and spacebar kit are all coming on the 2nd watch me have bought all of these and still prefer to use the stock ones

but having the option to change them and have a new project

[frigid kestrel]

[proven burrow]

tbh tho every time i get a shipment from dhl from china it arrives a day earlier

and no customs tax on this order.... yet... pray no customs duty

£50 order from aliexpress and £120 from kbdfans, both under the £135 minimum of the UK but I could still get hit for VAT on the kbdfans order

[frigid kestrel]

Meanwhile, still no GT-80 carry case restock, KBDFans L

[small pewter]

Its gonna be a good month(s)

[whole oak]

There's no minimum.

You either pay VAT or you pay Import Duties.

[proven burrow]

Oh yeah VAT is on every order, but customs duty is for goods above the value of £135 in the UK iirc

Excise goods get charged customs duty regardless of cost though

[whole oak]

No.

[proven burrow]

[turbid badge]

Is the 60he v2 easy to clean?

[raw herald]

Extremely since the board just lifts out of the case w/out needing to unscrew anything

[desert trout]

is the 60he v2 plastic case same as v1

[raw herald]

No

[raw herald]

Wooting sending out splits to reviewers is gonna really bump that 20% up

[timber nimbus]

i'm sad not many have truly highlighted it's benefits yet, but a lot also literally only had the keyboard for a couple days due to shipment delays unfortunately

so not a ton of time for them to do longterm testing like gameplay usage stuff

i think more unique advantage for using split will come out over time as more people use it and realise it's advantage

[raw herald]

It's a tremendously minor one, but I realized today that I keep thinking that I want a keybind to use a voice line in OW after I get an elim to you know, win the mental game :). Seems like a great use for the rightmost part of the split - something I only want to reach for on occation.

I'm excited about exploring the possibilities. My moonshot would be if I can enjoy using it for j*b. Not holding my breath.

[midnight cliff]

Will the split space be able to be bound into 3 key binds in game if the 2 big buttons are both bound to space? Is it coded as like left space / right space? Or will games register both just as “space”

[raw herald]

Both would be space in that case

[distant mulch]

as there's no left and right space keys in keyboards, it's recognized only as space

[dusty sundial]

They could choose themselves 🙂

[raw herald]

Huh! I figured it was you guys wanting to seed the new feature.

[timber nimbus]

nah they selected it themselves and almost all picked split

[stiff pumice]

why did the v2 flex so much in all of the videos i hope thats not a issue with mine, this looks unusable

[timber nimbus]

i think you're on stage 4 now ramer

[spring stirrup]

[timber nimbus]

don't worry, it will all be fine. Don't go making yourself paranoid

all is well, there are no issues with your incoming keyboard

[stiff pumice]

how could i trust you

😕

[timber nimbus]

well i do have 3 60he v2 in rotation in 3 different cases/formats

[lunar minnow]

youd have to press down pretty hard to notice flex imo

and its a lot less already compared to 80he

[raw herald]

Some flex is a desirable thing

[lunar minnow]

even on my gt60 youd have to press pretty hard

[raw herald]

If you hate it you could go to tray mount 🤷

[spring stirrup]

well, if you absolutely hate the minor flex of the 60HE v2, you can always replace the friction fit pad with poron sandwich pad and screw the module into the case @stiff pumice

[stiff pumice]

will the wooting 60he v3 fix this issue?

[obtuse gate]

the module variant comes with both pads right?

[spring stirrup]

issue?

there's no issue bud

flex is very minor and with an FR4 plate you won't even notice it

[timber nimbus]

most people want some amount of flex as well

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[timber nimbus]

with the case that you buy

[spring stirrup]

Poron sandwich pad is included in the box

[timber nimbus]

assuming you bought the case

[spring stirrup]

I think they're asking about the poron and friction fit pads

[timber nimbus]

oh right

yeah module comes with it

[raw herald]

The most salient worry people should have right now regarding the 60HEv2 is how their username will become the color of pee after taking too many vitamins.

(Can we please reconsider this heinous shade? )

[timber nimbus]

you just need to reframe your thinking

it's the color of shine muscat grapes, the famous grape of korea

[raw herald]

I'm not sure I was gifted w/ enough mental capacity to make it look good to me

[lunar minnow]

can we make it green cantaloupe

[brave robin]

Guys is this a bug, why does it say it is still under mass production ?

[raw herald]

The 60v2 is still under production.

[vast dagger]

Not a bug the sticker pack is still being produced as per

[fading stag]

After seeing some reviews I’m thinking of changing my regular order to a split but not sure how fast support would reply etc and if that might delay the order by much?

[peak prairie]

split better

[slim mural]

i forgot does the 60HE v2 metal case support tray mounting for less flex or nah

[raw herald]

Huh, unless if this is an inaccurate render it certainly doesn't look like it

[spring stirrup]

No, it doesn't

[stiff pumice]

why do they want us to have feelings for the case🥲

[spring stirrup]

Again, you won't notice much flex because of the FR4 plate. The main benefit of the friction fit is the sound.

[raw herald]

Deep psychological manipulation. Also, it loves you.

[stiff pumice]

🫂

[ripe pond]

i still dont know what this is if its a person choking someone or waht

or if they're hugging

[stiff pumice]

It's a warning, the case is gonna choke you if u swap it

[ripe pond]

should NOT have bought this owlab case then

i practice 2 martial arts tho

so maybe ill be ok

idk if caseman is stronger than me tho

[stiff pumice]

Aluminium seems pretty tough idk
At least the module doesn't defend itself

[stiff pumice]

I wish more company's did silly stuff like this including all the other Easter eggs

[slim mural]

bit of a bummer, but it shouldn't be an issue, Id imagine there is less flex than the 80HE but more flex than the stock 60HE+ prebuilt

[lunar minnow]

let the guy cry in peace

[ripe pond]

if its just one guy crying

what are those things

cracked pieces of the case?

[lunar minnow]

green = legs
blue = bum
yellow = back
pink = also back/neck

[ripe pond]

like this?

the ai fucked up the arms but

idk

im still a bit confused what those things are

why does he have 2 bums

[glossy mantle]

is this a good time to get it in

[ripe pond]

yes

for module

atleast

[lunar minnow]

you dont?

[ripe pond]

why is one to left and below like that

its confusing

and one small and triangular

am i stupid

[lunar minnow]

its not that hard to see

[ripe pond]

aerobrake has been typing for like 20 mins

[ripe pond]

whats this one

[lunar minnow]

his second leg???

[ripe pond]

arent these two his legs

[lunar minnow]

no??

[ripe pond]

what is that one on the right

[lunar minnow]

its a 3/4 angle shot of the person

[ripe pond]

that is NOT a butt

OHH

I SEE IT

FINALLY

thank u

[lunar minnow]

orange leg
yellow thigh

[ripe pond]

i see

thanks so much

holy shit im so dumb

[lunar minnow]

[ripe pond]

i thought it was front facing for some reason

[lunar minnow]

when confusion use car 👍

[slim mural]

yeah

I was not sure if I should ask about something that happened to one of my 2 orders

i was not going to be super specific about it, but i was experiencing a massive delay in my second order when it was going to arrive sooner

I'll wait if I have to, I'm just wondering why it got pushed back 3 months when all the items were supposed to arrive december in the warehouse

[raw herald]

I’d ping support

[slim mural]

I think I will just email them instead

I don't want to bother them with discord notifs

[raw herald]

Sorry that’s what I meant 😃

[lunar minnow]

bro got shifted to a different batch 🥀

[strong gust]

is the v2 hotswap?

[slim mural]

it was one of my items only

the rest of them are on schedule

idk why

it was the carry case v2 for some reason 🥀

[lunar minnow]

yes

[strong gust]

ok cool, just preordered the module then feared the possibility of having to solder the switches in. thank you

[lunar minnow]

no need to solder on HE keyboards since they dont need to make metal to metal contact with the pcb

[strong gust]

truee. also expected that the soldered metal would mess with the hall effect input

[cosmic dune]

I was wondering for the split space bar, if I use it on a work computer (or any PC for that matter) that doesn't have the Wooting software installed, do all 3 keys just act as a spacebar? Or does it have onboard memory like the 60HE+?

[distant mulch]

The profiles are stored onboard. So whatever you configure stays on other pcs too

[whole oak]

Inactive profiles however are stored on the PC. So make sure you hit export on those to get a code you can use to import them elsewhere later. 🙂

[sudden sonnet]

Is there a big difference between the 60he+ and the v2?

[twin coyote]

if i switch to the split spacebar version will i get an earlier batch or will my batch stay the same? i got the regular spacebar but it's way too long of a wait for me (late jan estimated delivery)

[whole oak]

Earlier, same, later.

Depends on what's left.

[slim mural]

i sent support an email rather than asking about it here

[wary bluff]

My split due mid December in the UK, estimate of course.

Don't understand why you wouldn't want a split spacebar, finally extra binds for my thumb.

[dreamy meadow]

hey i just ordered my wooting 60hev2

i’m in the second batch i think cus it’s coming in mid january

but how do i get the role and also what other founders perks r there?

[gaunt nexus]

connect discord to wooting hub thingy

[dreamy meadow]

ohh so i have to wait till it comes right

or

[gaunt nexus]

i dont think so

[dreamy meadow]

hm how will it know i got it tho

[gaunt nexus]

ur wooting hub account is connected to the email u made ur order on

so it'll look at ur past order, see u got a 60he v2, and once u connect ur wooting hub account to ur discord, then u get the role

[dreamy meadow]

ohh what if i ordered on my dads email but i would want the wooting hub to be on mine

[strange fable]

js log in from ur dad email

[dreamy meadow]

well honestly the role doesn’t matter that much to me lowkey

[gaunt nexus]

^

[dreamy meadow]

what other perks r there

for founders campaign

i heard like extra switches or something is it the same lekker or different

[strange fable]

lekker titen v2 switches i think 20 of tjem

[gaunt nexus]

i think u get stickers as well but idk i got the 60he+ pcb

jus wanted to save a bit of money nd didn't know if it would fit into the case im getting

[dreamy meadow]

ohh okay thanks

[lunar minnow]

you get 20 recolored lekker tikkens and theyre 100 grams

[dreamy meadow]

ohh

[fading stag]

Yeah I emailed yesterday to ask about switching from a reg as I’m sold on split but think it might be too late as support has a delay and current split orders are 2026 for uk iso if I do a new order now

[raw herald]

The split army grows 📈

[strong gust]

if i have my order number can i put it in my wooting hub?

I ordered it from my dads email, but there was no official account made

i tried doing transfer order from the hub, but it says there was no combination between the order and the email

[distant mulch]

You need to create an account with the email used for the order, they are not automatically created

[strong gust]

ty

[tulip island]

Just Preordered the split spacebar

[timber nimbus]

congratulations on picking the correct variant

[strong gust]

a couple more cents i have to spend on 2 more switches

[tough oxide]

hm yea it is kinda the correct variant
the space bar dosent need to be so huge

[peak prairie]

I need them to ship

rn

fr fr

[peak prairie]

only one you should get

[tulip island]

real, cant wait especially coming from an old Logitech pro keyboard

also first 60%

only ever did tkls

[whole oak]

https://help.wooting.io/article/79-transferring-ownership-of-an-order
You'll have to move it over.

[peak prairie]

I’m on a $30 HE board rn

I can’t do it anymore 😭😭

Especially since having a custom 60he before

It hurts my soul rn

[ripe pond]

if the owlab had the support for it i would

not willing to buy an aftermarket cf plate that costs alot of munyun

[timber nimbus]

you can just use the entire v2 module in the owlab case

but i feel like if you're buying a $300 case then $25 on a cf plate is a fairly small expense at that point

[ripe pond]

i prefer carbon fiber

$25?

[timber nimbus]

yeah they're cheap

[ripe pond]

where

[timber nimbus]

aliexpress

[ripe pond]

supports split?

[timber nimbus]

not yet, but i assume they'll add split after they get a v2 like they did with 80he

they scan our plates pretty quickly

[ripe pond]

i alr placed the order

too late

[swift copper]

Do I have to pay any import taxes for ordering a v2 in Germany?

[spring stirrup]

New review dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE8X_RgT5RM

[distant mulch]

No, it's coming from the Netherlands (or most of the time even from somewhere in Germany)

[whole oak]

Always from the Netherlands.

[distant mulch]

My packages always list some german company, so I thought there's some redistribution happening

[rotund lotus]

Both are true, our NL fulfillment center sends a direct truck to a german DHL distributrion center

[whole oak]

Right - But the billing is in the Netherlands 😄

But that's moot given EU is EU

[swift copper]

Thanks :)

[dim steeple]

So, my delivery date and expected at warehouse date are completely different

Which one should I trust more

[calm ginkgo]

They should be different unless you live in the wooting warehouses

[dim steeple]

It says itll arrive before its expected at warehouse

[raw herald]

I’d trust the delivery date

[dim steeple]

Ya cause i tried looking at the store and it says Dec 16-24 delivery

My cart when I try to buy it rn

[raw herald]

That is strange though

[dim steeple]

Right?

Curiously it is the same batch

EU Marionet 6

[tulip island]

Mines the same way and im just hoping its the delivery date one

[severe cobalt]

Hello, I am part of the NA batch, and it says speculated arrival to warehouse is December 7 but my product hasn’t even gone through manufacturing, does that mean there will be a delay for my order?

[whole oak]

Delays can occur.

[severe cobalt]

Understood, thank you

[lone remnant]

are there keycap sets that are split spacebar friendly?

[whole oak]

You need one that includes an extra left and right ANSI shift keycap.

[timber nimbus]

Plenty. Search for keycap sets that include split spacebar or spacebar extension kits. Most of the bigger mid tier keycap brands have them

The tricky part is often they don’t include a blank 1.25u key, but you can usually use a novelty or one of the spare modifiers for that

[vast dagger]

I've been eyeing this set

Has 1.25u on the extensions too

[formal lark]

Looks like split space bar is the future for gamer. People just have not used it before and have not experienced it. Ppl who used it swear by it.

[whole oak]

I'm not convinced, but open to it...once it comes to our larger boards 😄

I cannot go back to 60%

[green shale]

Thailand 03/02-09/26 LOL

[green shale]

I Use 60% can't go back to TKL or Large size LOL

[void mauve]

Estimated delivery is late December but it says it wont be at the warehouse till January?

Im so confused

Lol

[distant mulch]

January is pretty much very late December, isn't it?

[void mauve]

Yeah what I’m trying to understand is it says it’s going to be delivered end of January but it also says it’s not even supposed to be at the warehouse to ship to my house till January 5th? Idk

[whole oak]

Keep calm and wait for Mark to get all of the batches and dates sorted.

[void mauve]

It’s ok, I didn’t mean to stress you guys out or anything. I just thought it was funny. No big deal

[stuck sky]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-i-need-it-gif-14006288

[ripe pond]

this is what mine says

[ripe pond]

yes sir

[exotic plume]

Will it be possible to friction mount it in the Tofu60redux?

[whole oak]

Yes - But you should still screw it in on one screw for grounding afaik

[exotic plume]

Does it matter which screw hole or any of them?

[spring stirrup]

Any of them will work, but I recommend screwing in the top right one. You don't use that side of the keyboard as much as the left, so having a screw there won't really affect the sound or feel.

[exotic plume]

Okay thanks

[karmic mural]

We're getting there

[buoyant coyote]

Is the Optimum case compatible with the Wooting 60HE v2? The v1 and v2 have the same dimensions, correct?

[whole oak]

Yes.

[buoyant coyote]

Thank you

[knotty moon]

@frank thistle can you check your DMs I need your help

[whole oak]

Please don't ping (or DM) Moderators or Staff, unless you need assistance with moderation.

[buoyant coyote]

If I buy v2, is a PC plate already included?

[whole oak]

No. FR4.

[buoyant coyote]

ok

[knotty moon]

I need that’s why

[whole oak]

Then ping someone who's actually available. 😄

[buoyant coyote]

Would you say that a PC Plate is needed?

[whole oak]

Personal preference. We chose FR4 for the 60HEv2

https://wooting.io/wooting-60he-v2

[timber nimbus]

a lot of the pros who tested it actually prefer fr4 over pc

[whole oak]

Ah Sno is here. Does the PC plate kit actually work on the 60HEv2 module? For argument's sake 😄

[buoyant coyote]

Ah, thank you, I'm looking at it right now. Does it change the sound of the keyboard, or is it purely for visual appeal?

[whole oak]

Can't see the plate once it's put together. It's all about sound and to some extent feel.

[timber nimbus]

nope, we put a disclaimer on pc plate kit page now as well to make sure it says not compatible

[knotty moon]

@vocal edge check your DMs I need your help

[buoyant coyote]

okay, and this FR4 is included with v2

[timber nimbus]

nice big red box that says not compatible so i've done what i can lol

[buoyant coyote]

XD

[rotund lotus]

Stop DMing staff and moderators. If you need help, contact support:
https://support.wooting.io

[knotty moon]

Ok

[buoyant coyote]

I need to buy an extra PC plate for v2. Is that correct?

[whole oak]

You'd have to wait for someone to make one I suppose.

[buoyant coyote]

ok, would that be from Wooting or a third-party supplier?

It seems that there is no suitable PC plate yet.

[whole oak]

We're not making one. So yeah. If you're set on PC, you'd have to wait for someone to make one to sell.

[buoyant coyote]

ok, thanks

One last question XD, does the 60HE v2 have a strap like the first version?

[wraith mesa]

Tug-o-wooting

[whole oak]

Uh.. what 😄

The correct terminology with keycap size is U(nits), 1u being a regular letter. 1.25u being a modifier key (Alt, CTRL). The two spacebar keycaps are a left ANSI and right ANSI.

R1

[lunar minnow]

R1-4 refers to which row on the keybaoard it is

some keyboards have 7u because they dont have right alt/menu/ctrl/fn key

[outer vigil]

I kinda miss the shipping status updates hahahah like looking up how far away the container has come in 😂

[raw herald]

The love affair with the split burned bright

[rare karma]

I feel weakness in our ranks. To become a true gamer. One has to align the mind, body and heart to the game. The journey to enlightenment is a gradual process. Don’t rush it 😌

[lunar minnow]

someone tell squashy the 60he came with a steel plate
https://youtu.be/FHLWmoI2G8c

you can hear the steel plate pinging in the sound test

[pulsar sierra]

I have a quick question so if I buy the split space bar one can I swap the triple space bar for a single one by any chance?

[spring stirrup]

No

[pulsar sierra]

okay thank you

[fervent umbra]

are you guys going to use the stock stabs

[lunar minnow]

yes

[glass lava]

okay

hope its better than my chinese he board with switches that cost more than the whole keyboard

[slim mural]

btw whats up with the scratching on the 60HE v2 FR4 plate?

[timber nimbus]

a lot of folks using auto pullers which scratch the plate

[maiden steppe]

Why so expensive

[glass lava]

AUD

[slender plank]

australian dollars

[maiden steppe]

Ohh okay @glass lava

[glass lava]

yee

anyone whos ordered from australia know if im going to have to pay the import taxes?

the ABF article isnt very clear

[dusty sundial]

Also Squashy had the non final FR4 plate finish. Final product has a stronger finish to prevent scratching.

[quartz tide]

No you are good off of import taxes

[slim mural]

cheers Max

Hope you have been doing well

[quiet whale]

what is the new split layout called? like what would i search for to find keycaps?

[sinful plover]

it's just split, you will need one 2.75u, one 1.25u and one 2.25u keycap

some keycap sets also offer an optional spacebars kit that may include those

[quiet whale]

got it, thanks. trying to find some keycaps for my optimum case

[sinful plover]

or some others have the spacebars already included

you could also buy extras of the set you buy, since the keycaps you would need are of a standard size that are included normally in other places

ik of a couple of people that plan to buy 2 optimum sets to grab the caps needed for the spacebars

[quiet whale]

ohh, thats interesting. that could for sure work

but then would the keys also be the right height and stuff when its the cherry layout or whatever?

[winged igloo]

The delivery destination for Wooting is set to the United States, can I change the delivery destination to another country?

[sinful plover]

they obviously wont have the spacebar shape

[sinful plover]

dont think so

changing countries is difficult because of tax stuff, but also changing from US is even more difficult because the US uses a different warehouse than the rest of the world

[quiet whale]

im talking about the cherry profile, where the keys have different heights and angles

[sinful plover]

right shift, left shift, ctrl

should be fine i think

[quiet whale]

yeah, probably. i'll try anyway. thanks for the help!

[vast dagger]

On an existing order? No that would require cancelling and reordering

[winged igloo]

Thks

[quiet whale]

i just did a test with my current optimum keycaps, and it does work. they are the correct profile. huge

[whole oak]

No. You would have to cancel and reorder.

[winged igloo]

Thks

[green shale]

Wooting can share file for to further develop other materials yourself? such as: Alu, PEI / I ordered a pre-build Split-spacebar.

[old scarab]

Lowkey just pre ordered the wooting to be like my king oxy

[whole oak]

Possibly. But they're not hard to scan for someone capable of making these with the proper machines.
Could suggest it over in #1141096226884956181

[desert trout]

is wooting 60he v2 alu case better than other alu cases or is it jus same feel

[whole oak]

Better... in what metric?

It's a case. It doesn't change how you use the product 😄

[desert trout]

Idk i was thinking of getting prebuilt once and done or just mod it with like a tofu 60 or something

[whole oak]

Get the one you prefer the look of.

[bronze jasper]

i preordered the v2 right on day 1 but now after Wasabis video im just one more customer regretting to choose the OG spacebar too quick.. i created a support ticket for that last week but i know you guys are super busy atm.. i've went trought the configurator again to see what it would look like if i take the split.. and noticed thats gonna be little bit more expensive anyways.. so now my question would you guys at wooting recommend me to just cancel my order and order again or should i just wait for the support? with the campaign ending rly soon and knowing there would be a few more support steps with paying the difference and stuff i could imagine if i just wait for the ticket i'll be later than just ordering again no? 😅

[timber nimbus]

Cancel and reorder is indeed quicker if the dates work for you. Just make sure the new delivery date is fine for you because some configs are later than others due to batches selling out

[bronze jasper]

alr thank you for the quick answer!

[bronze jasper]

• expected at warehouse Mar 22 2026 i guess in that case im just too late for any changes if i wanna see that beauty this year hm? 🥲

[fervent umbra]

do we need to buy stabilizers chat

[spring stirrup]

no

[bright pumice]

Hi, is this normal? I ordered and it told me between December 8th and 15th, and now it says ‘Early January’?

[short hare]

it can be if there's new info that got updated for a better estimate

with the holiday season going on, I wouldnt be surprised

[bright pumice]

oh ok

[rare karma]

Next time - make 2 orders FTW

[bronze jasper]

ngl i rly didnt even think abt getting the split when i ordered first.. but now after seeing it in action it just totaly makes sense to me.. kinda unlucky for me i guess 😅

[rare karma]

The question you should ask yourself if the Split bar is a “need to have “ or “just nice to have”

I usually just jump on new stuff, just for the sake of it.

But I actually went traditional this time because I don’t play enough games to warrant for the split bar.

[bronze jasper]

the thing for me is just i was always scptical if a 60% is rly enough for me or not.. but i always wanted to try it out as also the wooting features are super interesting to me.. so with the release of the v2 i thought thats my turn now.. but in wasabis video i saw for the first time that you can just switch the "layout"? idk how to call it with the split key and that just totaly deleted all my doubts on such an small keyboard.. so i'd rly love to get that yk :D

[rare karma]

At the end of the day, it’s a tool. Just because someone makes it work. It’s still a compromise.

I got the 80He for work. But I bought the 60he v2 for travel.
My personal opinion is that you can’t replace keys and buttons 😆.
A perfect example of this is Tesla bringing back buttons and switches after complaints from its customers

[bronze jasper]

yeah thats right.. but i think if i already take the money to get a new "tool" then i want it to be just as i like it to be right :D

[tropic relic]

Design files should be made public shortly after the release, like usual.

[vast dagger]

Any change is going to feel uncomfortable at first even going between 60% and a 65% took an adjustment period

[late bison]

Wouldve been really cool if you could switch between split and og on the same board. Probably a problem for a future model though

[lunar minnow]

itd require a different split spacebar layout to make it compatible with a 6.25u spacebar

[late bison]

yea i suppose thats true

[whole oak]

Yeah there's no good solution there for everyone

You either alienate aftermarket keycaps, or you make a hybrid layout impossible.

[lunar minnow]

i could already see why wooting had to move the center switch over by just laying the keycaps on my 60he

[whole oak]

Theoretically you could fashion your own, offset keycap for split and remove the two side switches.

[late bison]

So in theory its possible with the v2?

[lunar minnow]

yeah, nothing stops you from 3d printing one

[late bison]

Would probably feel a bit weird not having the switch centered on the keycap though

[lunar minnow]

i wonder if a long spacebar works if you only connect the 2 ends of the stabilizer

[lunar minnow]

i dont think so since you still have stabilizers

its not like the spacebar will start sea-sawing around

[whole oak]

If you remove the center stabilisers, and the two side switches yes.

But you'd still need a custom keycap.

[lunar minnow]

or maybe a custom spacebar that connects all stems of the stabilizers and the offset switch

[late bison]

Man we are so clooose I just want my wooting 🙏

[lunar minnow]

maybe instead of using stabs, unbind the 2 side switches and remove stabs keeping the switches there

[late bison]

surely 9-17 means the 9th

[lunar minnow]

so many options you can do

well assuming you can 3d model and have a 3d printer on hand

[late bison]

this is my first time getting a keyboard you can properly mod

current one i have cant even hotswap switches

[lunar minnow]

tbh all i would do is switches and keycaps from prebuilt, maybe a case if you desire but the aluminum case looks quite nice

[old scarab]

how do I get the role

I've already pre ordered the wooting 60he v2

[obsidian tinsel]

Same

[vast dagger]

https://youtu.be/6hmRHWZSeXw

[obsidian tinsel]

Thx!

[polar oak]

hello

[tropic relic]

17 steps backwards in terms of innovation just because of that. 🥀

[lunar minnow]

wooting washed, should have been a tmr keyboard for v2!!!
too expensive!!!!

[old scarab]

I got the role now

[old scarab]

There’s a reason why it’s so expensive

So only a unique majority own it

[lunar minnow]

i know, just jokes on comments made on v2 review videos

[old scarab]

LIKE ME

[lunar minnow]

its why its gonna be my 2nd 60he

[old scarab]

This is like my first keyboard that’s been bought with my money

[lunar minnow]

optimum said tmr keyboards are better so that must mean wooting is old and garbage!!

[old scarab]

Couldn’t be a better Christmas than buying ur own zowie xl2566x+ and wooting 60he v2

[tropic relic]

Real and true!

[lunar minnow]

TN panel for the price of an oled

[old scarab]

I mean I only play valorant

lol

I’ll get an OLED monitor once I upgrade my pc

[buoyant coyote]

If I only buy Wooting 60HE v2 modules, what comes with them? Foam, silicone, etc.?

[lunar minnow]

understandable but watching stuff on oleds are

[old scarab]

Really? Yk it’s really hard to tell

[buoyant coyote]

Ah, thank you, I couldn't find that.

[old scarab]

When they’re reviewing it on my god damn iPhone screen

[lunar minnow]

imo a very clear difference

[lunar minnow]

im pretty sure all iphones after the iphone 10 has oleds

[old scarab]

Oh crap so my phone is OLED

[lunar minnow]

but its not exactly the best comparison

[dry canyon]

100%. I switched to OLED in 2021 and won’t ever go back

[old scarab]

I rlly can’t tell the difference icl

Except for viewing angles

[lunar minnow]

my personal side to side comparison https://youtu.be/HKWXvrKAVuQ?si=YUzP3LShqyoQv7Sy

[old scarab]

The light changes when u view the tn panel from different angles

[lunar minnow]

both matte displays

LG IPS left, Samsung OLED right

[dry canyon]

And matte OLED is meh

[old scarab]

Oh wow

[dry canyon]

Glossy has sharper picture with slightly deeper observed tones

[old scarab]

I mean the ASUS gaming OLED monitors are actually more expensive than the zowie

Like £800

[lunar minnow]

Samsung just had the better discount for me

[buoyant coyote]

But if there is no silicone and EPDM foam included, where can I get it? By the way, I also have the Optimum Case (if that makes any difference).

[lunar minnow]

i dont mind that its matte

[old scarab]

The best price for my xl2566x+ 400hz zowie went down to £539.99

[dry canyon]

With tandem OLED tech, OLED prices have gone down a ton. Asus definitely has the ROG tax built into their monitors.

[spring stirrup]

Silicone and EPDM foam comes with the v2 case. Just use Optimum case foam.

[lunar minnow]

looked up the price of your monitor and for me in the US its the exact same price i got my samsung g60sd for

[old scarab]

What’s a good second monitor oled

I don’t need an overpriced asus oled monitor

[buoyant coyote]

ok

[dry canyon]

A lot of monitor YouTube reviewers have posted about some great cheap options

[lunar minnow]

check rting

they have a ton of monitor reviews among other things

[dry canyon]

https://youtu.be/403q5B6hhBQ?si=8Wr4ssAQswdKv8Rm

[lunar minnow]

they also provide better color profiles for the specific monitor to make it more color accurate

[old scarab]

Are they close to ASUS quality

Whenever I see ASUS I click!

[dry canyon]

Asus doesn’t make their panels. Almost all OLED panels are sourced from Samsung (QDOLED) or LG (WOLED) and then companies add their own OS, tweak picture settings, and add their own IO.

[old scarab]

Damn….which one should I get?

[lunar minnow]

whatevers cheapest to you and if you prefer glossy or matte

[stiff pumice]

Monitor talk in my keyboard channel

[lunar minnow]

average day in wooting discord

[old scarab]

Deffo glossy

Suits my taste

Hopefully they reduce the RAM prices so i can build a new pc next year

[lunar minnow]

wont be down till 2027 is my guess

or later

[stiff pumice]

Burn down the Ai company's for that

[buoyant coyote]

Does anyone have any advice for me before I buy this?

[dry canyon]

Whatever you can afford. I haven’t looked much into tandem OLED. But as far as QDOLED or WOLED…QDOLED produces richer colors and is usually glossy (this glossy screen is quite fragile but looks better than a matte screen). It also has been noted to have a purple tint with light reflections from bright rooms (I personally haven’t had an issue with mine). WOLED doesn’t have that purple tint and the screen is more “durable” but for monitors, they’re generally all matte.

[old scarab]

Buy prebuilt

[buoyant coyote]

Why? Is that better?

[lunar minnow]

are you looking for specifically the geon raw sound? its quite an old switch now

[stiff pumice]

Maybe im mistaken on if it's compatible but Is the optimum case heavier than the aluminium v2 case?

[lunar minnow]

yes

[old scarab]

I’m not a keyboard enthusiast since I don’t hear much of the sound when I’m gaming but if u grind a lot of FPS games then get prebuilt

[lunar minnow]

optimum case is heavier than v2 alu case by a long shot

[stiff pumice]

What material is the optimum case

[buoyant coyote]

Yes, I also noticed that a Lekker would be better, for example, but I find the sound a little better. However, I am open to advice.

[spring stirrup]

[lunar minnow]

also aluminum but its overall bigger and thicker with the weight on the back of the case

[buoyant coyote]

I'm getting the Optimum Case because I think it's nicer than the standard case.

[dry canyon]

A big thing that’s also looked over is the aluminum case for the v2 has a “locking” feature for the wrist rest.

[old scarab]

Does the apex tkl pro 2024 have an aluminium case?

That’s my current one rn

[lunar minnow]

ive used the geon raws for a year and theyre rather quite loud and have a stickyness at the top cause of extra lube

tikkens are great and there are many switches outside if wooting

[stiff pumice]

€130 I guess that's something to consider if the v2 is too light

[buoyant coyote]

I don't use a wrist rest XD

[lunar minnow]

heres a list of switches thats been tested #🪛│modding_faq message

[dry canyon]

Well for those that do…big improvement

[old scarab]

Are u a keyboard enthusiast? I lowkey just joined the server today to track my first ever wooting keyboard

[dry canyon]

You know you track it on the website, not here.

[buoyant coyote]

So this is my first Wooting keyboard, and I want to do everything right when buying it.

[rare karma]

Not sure you can do anything right without prior experience

[old scarab]

Obviously bruh

I just wanted the free rewards

[buoyant coyote]

That's why I'm here XD

[old scarab]

Get prebuilt like me

[spring stirrup]

They like the Optimum case

[old scarab]

The prebuilt is still very customisable

[spring stirrup]

and it's not hard to build at all

[rare karma]

Look, feel and taste are all preferences that only you can decide upon.

[dry canyon]

If you’re anything like most of us, you’ll likely customize it more down the road. If you have 0 experience and don’t know what you’re looking for, it’s even more likely you’ll want to change something later on once you do know what you’re looking for.

[old scarab]

With the magnetic connect in

I agree

[buoyant coyote]

A pre-build is out of the question because I have specific requirements that are not available as a pre-build.

[rare karma]

If you constantly chase for “perfection “ without a clear vision. You will never achieve your “Zen”

[lunar minnow]

look guys i have the wooting 60he v2 split spacebar

[old scarab]

Wait how

[lunar minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/muhehe-cat-muhehe-muhehehe-cat-muhehehe-smirk-cat-muhehe-gif-17142133339517585968

[buoyant coyote]

I thought it wasn't coming until December 8?

[maiden steppe]

That doesn't look ri

That doesn't look right

[old scarab]

Nah, that looks like a counterfeit

[lunar minnow]

correct

becuase its just the keycaps on the plate

no switches installed

[old scarab]

Split space bar is so ugly

[dry canyon]

He just placed the keys where they’d go on the split v2

[lunar minnow]

its the 60he+

[dry canyon]

You misspelled functional

[buoyant coyote]

Oh, I see.

[old scarab]

Show me where I typed functional

Man is high

[lunar minnow]

it is a real wooting
only the pcb remains on my 60he+

[old scarab]

Better

[buoyant coyote]

Which case do you use?

[lunar minnow]

kbdfans gt-60 https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1436013386855874631

[buoyant coyote]

Thanks, that doesn't look bad either compared to the Optimum case.

[old scarab]

Are the wooting 60he V2 key caps edible?

[dry canyon]

Me? No. It looks different, sure. But adds 2 more keys you can bind AND sounds better because you don’t have a long ass spacebar.

[lunar minnow]

i would get optimum but i really wanted a silver case this time around

had a black tofu60 redux before

[dry canyon]

Everything is technically edible at least once.

[buoyant coyote]

I can understand

[dry canyon]

Certain things like cyanide is only edible once

[buoyant coyote]

Are the Lekker V2 L60 Linear technically the best?

[lunar minnow]

i love my keycap set with the silver case

tho i got destroyed by shipping and fees since it cane from korea to the US

[old scarab]

More function keys but we’ve used the long space bar for 150 years

[spring stirrup]

No, there's no best.

[dry canyon]

Tikken better than Lekker v2

[buoyant coyote]

It's annoying, but I'd say it was worth it.

[lunar minnow]

long spacebar sounds bad and you cant change my mind

tried different keycaps, different materials, foam in the spacebar, redoing stabilizers 3 times

different switches, plate foams/silicone pads

the whole 9 yards

[dry canyon]

Have you tried tape modding it? I’ve found that to be better than foam. But yeah still going to be noticeably pingier than split

[lunar minnow]

ill need to try tape again, i used to use rgb (now all off) and the blue painters would change the rgb color

i do think that 3 layers of tape mod under the pcb is better than one layer

for the spacebar specifically

[spring stirrup]

that's called skill issue

[wanton marsh]

fr?

[dry canyon]

That’s the unfortunate thing with tape modding the spacebar. Would honestly just turn off the spacebar’s LED or sharpie on the tape where light would shine through.

[lunar minnow]

for reference this is what my spacebar sounds like (end of the video)

[old scarab]

I’m on mass production

[lunar minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-cat-cat-angry-cat-cat-face-cat-forehead-gif-4731341898773190051

[old scarab]

Do monkeytype

Let’s see how fast ur wpm is

[buoyant coyote]

R.I.P.

[wanton marsh]

yeah but mine says early january 2026 but expected at warehouse fab 15 2025

[old scarab]

That’s crazy

Mine is like around December

[lunar minnow]

that sound test was recorded using monkeytype

[dry canyon]

Yeah I’m not able to listen to it rn. I’m on a shooting range.

[old scarab]

How fast was ur wpm?

And what time duration?

[lunar minnow]

it varies, 110-120wpm on 15 seconds is average because i dont use my right fingers a lot when typing

as you could see in the video

i mostly just use pointers on my right hand

[old scarab]

Yeah no, we cannot see ur monitor

It’s like a flash bang

[old scarab]

I use the same typing method

[lunar minnow]

you can see the result here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1436013386855874631/1437260805174460597/IMG_8348.mov?ex=693042ae&is=692ef12e&hm=52e4b206ee032149547c53a91f73c7d38141dc99d8300d1e0b7ecb0e05376ff4&

103 meh

[old scarab]

…..😈

[lunar minnow]

i dont aim for the best wpm in sound tests

[old scarab]

I’m faster…..

[lunar minnow]

i just make sure not to overlap keypresses too much during them

cleaner better sound

[old scarab]

Let’s talk about mouses

[vast dagger]

Sounds like a discussion for #🌐│pc_gear

[old scarab]

Btw before I go

Split is trash

[vast dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-well-thats-just-like-opinion-gif-18505939

And TN is also trash

[old scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

I play better than u

[vast dagger]

Even if true doesn't negate the fact that TN monitors look like poo poo

[old scarab]

So we agree that I play better

[lunar minnow]

play better is subjective

[sinful plover]

DN monitors when

[old scarab]

There’s ur answer to ur statement

[vast dagger]

TenZ plays on an OLED is he also worse than you?

[old scarab]

All current pros play on TN, are they worse than current TenZ?

lol

[lunar minnow]

#sponsored

benq got esport gaming monitors wrapped around their fingers

[sinful plover]

holy ragebait

[oblique pendant]

lmao

[sharp dust]

👋 Hey! New to the party. I ordered the v2 and it stated "est delivery december 2025" on the shopping cart, but now in the order page it shows "Early January 2026" for the whole order but "Mar 22, 2026" for the module. oO What does that mean?

[old scarab]

6 7

[rotund lotus]

The whole order page that shows early January is the most correct

[spring stirrup]

[sharp dust]

"most correct" 😄

[rotund lotus]

There's a glitch on display for the individual items that should be fixed systemically in the next day or two, and bandaid-level fixed in hopefully the next hour or so

[sharp dust]

What does 6 7 mean? Literally 6 7? 🙂

[old scarab]

Do you…want to know?

👀

Say yes if u do

[sharp dust]

he67 when?

[old scarab]

You’re learning

[sharp dust]

@rotund lotus, when I checked the pre-order status for ISO Split German a few days ago, it actually showed "March/April 2026". Today it showed "Dec 2025" so I ordered. Well done Wooting! I hope it holds. 😜

[rotund lotus]

Supply chain team putting in a Herculean effort to get products to our warehouse as quickly as possible 🦾

[old scarab]

It's not 'Wooting', it's actually 'Woot', which is meant to promote the pro player named Woot.

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-cheshire-grin-smile-gif-15480510

[old scarab]

You enjoy ISO?

[strange fable]

does shipping start 4th

[sharp dust]

All acronyms deserve enjoyment.

[old scarab]

I don’t enjoy it so much.

[rotund lotus]

I'm a member of AAAAA
American Association Against Acronym Abuse

[old scarab]

I’m actually on it rn

[sharp dust]

@rotund lotus, is there a chance the "Switchy Heist" order items could delay the whole order? 🤔

[old scarab]

On the founder campaign thing

What do I get

I cannot be bothered to check

[rotund lotus]

Potentially, but we're doing everything we can to ensure that doesn't happen... More to come on that

[sharp dust]

I get that. Would just be odd if it gets delayed because of missing stickers. 🙂