🤩│wooting60hev2

[slender plank]

just noticed

[spring stirrup]

👀

[raw herald]

I never experienced the coating chipping myself, but it was disheartening to see some folks experiencing it on the zinc cases. Glad it's being addressed.

[rotund lotus]

It's quite rare, but it has happened a few times

[whole oak]

It's a sucky experience for all involved. Customers want their keyboard to look nice, and we don't want to have to ship heavy items back and forth. So we've been working hard to investigate and correct issues asap.

[sinful plover]

lucky for wooting, if my coating chips, its not your problem

[devout violet]

damn i understood everything and the plan going forward without having to rewatch the video

[sullen bear]

Does Thockson buy Wooting v2?

[timber nimbus]

Better buy 2 to be safe

[sullen bear]

Buy both split and normal

Got it

And a sony camera lens to top it off

[timber nimbus]

I have taught you well

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[burnt shale]

You’d need to change your tag too 🤓👍

[hardy wadi]

can someone confirm this?

if yes i'll buy two 60he v2

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-gif-13575853101874488635

[whole oak]

You can eat anything - But only once.

[sullen bear]

Hmmm

Once I buy a v2

[lucid trout]

Mansen you copied me.

[whole oak]

[lone remnant]

is there an updated list of compatible cases?

[timber nimbus]

Not yet, generally you’ll want to look at gh60 cases then double check the standoffs to make sure they don’t hit the pcb in weird spots

But gh60 is a good start if you want to see what’s compatible (which should be a lot of cases outside the few that have standoff issues)

[lone remnant]

right

im looking for a nice clear case for it

plastic or acrylic (not tofu60)

[timber nimbus]

Frog mini leggera comes in acrylic. You’d have to wait for restock though

[lone remnant]

when do you think that'll be?

[timber nimbus]

You’d have to ask in geon discord, they restock regularly but no set date

[lone remnant]

thanks

any other options?

[timber nimbus]

Well you said no tofu which would be the standard other recommendation

[lone remnant]

yeah

[winter cedar]

There's a new metal case 'on the block' not sure if antecipating the v2 release or not: https://www.amazon.es/-/en/dp/B0DQD52Q57/?coliid=I2U6B5EZKRI7HH&colid=2ML9Z8669PT9A&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im
Basically, this mimics the OG plastic case

[terse cape]

This has been around for a while

https://ja.aliexpress.com/item/1005008761318623.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.8.74d9YKLSYKLSiS&algo_pvid=084b4010-9d83-4370-9591-daac06071e06&algo_exp_id=084b4010-9d83-4370-9591-daac06071e06-7&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"1"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!GBP!38.54!34.69!!!50.45!45.41!%402103890917506143010207364ea74d!12000046558471480!sea!UK!6198469830!X&curPageLogUid=tWU4ucLHXir4&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

That's the pink version but exact same case

https://ja.aliexpress.com/item/1005008505798720.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.17.74d9YKLSYKLSiS&algo_pvid=084b4010-9d83-4370-9591-daac06071e06&algo_exp_id=084b4010-9d83-4370-9591-daac06071e06-16&pdp_ext_f={"order"%3A"-1"%2C"eval"%3A"1"}&pdp_npi=4%40dis!GBP!39.69!39.69!!!373.03!373.03!%402103890917506143010207364ea74d!12000045465943556!sea!UK!6198469830!X&curPageLogUid=HYZP3rDRx4kv&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch|query_from%3A

[opaque depot]

if you post aliexpress links please remove everything after and including ?

makes them not take the entire mobile screen, removes all kinds of tracking and crap

[pliant kernel]

Hey everyone, I designed a CNC case for the Wooting V1, any tips on how to make sure it’ll be compatible with the upcoming V2?

[whole oak]

It already is.

[opaque depot]

it's your lucky day!

[pliant kernel]

thanks!

Any good place I can share my design? Would love to get some feedback

[whole oak]

#🔧│keyboard_modding might be the most optimal place I guess?

[opaque depot]

#share_your_custom_CNC_case is a close second

[earnest surge]

hi guys

i have a question about the optimum keycaps

is there a new batch of the colour matching compared to when they first launched

[whole oak]

Probably. It's not something we're tracking. It's such a minor difference.

[earnest surge]

ah gotcha

so if i ordered them now, it would be SLIGHTLY different i guess compared to the first batch from launch

[grim glen]

in general all we track is that keycap colors are withing a certain range of a "golden sample"

[whole oak]

It's a possibility, yes. Would depend on whether the "old" stock has run out or not, and has been replaced by the new production. And that's definitely not my department to know 😄

[short hare]

Current FAQ regarding the 60he v2: #❔│faq message

[sinful plover]

I know about frequently asked questions but what about rarely asked questions

Can i eat the lekker tikken switches?

If so, how do they taste?

[short hare]

taste at own risk

[quaint schooner]

sweet

because lekker is a sweet crepe

[devout violet]

with a grounding sponge like the optimum case, don't forget that!

[hardy wadi]

60v2 on ice when?

[devout violet]

?

[hardy wadi]

?

https://tenor.com/view/ice-skating-yuzuru-hanyu-olympics2022-jump-turning-gif-24767776

[devout violet]

60v2 on ice??

[opaque depot]

not really necessary tbh

[whole oak]

Fleimi enjoys the little zap ⚡

[tropic relic]

Especially from plastic cases 🥰

[tropic relic]

https://youtu.be/4x29MIazPCY

[spring stirrup]

😳

[dusty sundial]

EPDM GANG

[spring stirrup]

EPDM sounds nice

[oblique pendant]

Nothing gang

[tepid copper]

Will they also sell the Tikkens with a lighter spring or just the 60g?

[whole oak]

Neither. Tikken uses a new spring.

[tepid copper]

I meant the bottom out force, the previous ones come in 45 and 60, will these be only 60 like the page says?

[tepid copper]

So I guess there will only be one option since only 1 switch is mentioned

Well, let's wait and see

[raw herald]

Getting out my finest brandy and headphones for this one

[opaque depot]

you actually don't get zapped if you don't have the pad, but might if you do lmao

both because any static you might have built up in you can now escape into ground, whereas without the connection it's isolated, meaning no zap because there's no path for the electricity to go anywhere

and also because in the event of an ungrounded system the casework wouldn't be a floating ground of half the AC voltage

same as how touching a radiator might zap you after shuffling your woolen socks on the carpet, because it's literally ground, whereas picking up a fork off the table won't since it's not grounded

even though they are both metallic

[raw herald]

Different causes of zap. You're talking about discharge of electrons from you to the board, rather than the other way around.

[opaque depot]

the other way around is kinda not possible at these voltages though

[raw herald]

Fair point 👍

[raw herald]

People are usually shocked when they find out I'm not a very good electrician.

[tropic relic]

I’m dead

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shocked-shocking-gif-14682087

[hardy wadi]

Kpop wooting band when?

i know calder got them vocals

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-singing-gif-10847175

[teal basalt]

Does the 60HE V2 come with the EPDM foam already installed?

[inner tartan]

Comes with the foam but it's not installed by default. The silicone one is installed by default

[teal basalt]

ok thanks

[winter cedar]

Does that mean there will be different spring packs available for customization?

[tropic relic]

The current spring pack will fit Tikkens as well.

[peak prairie]

Any news on the release date?

[whole oak]

Still Q4.

[peak prairie]

🫡

[lone remnant]

whats the keycap row order of the 60HE?

is 1 t 5? 1 being at the top

[tropic relic]

R1
R2
R3
R4
R4

Some sets write the bottom row as R1 iirc

Keycap sets

[lone remnant]

you guys are amazing

thank you!

im using the optimum keycaps thats why i need the row order

blank keycaps are hard to install

[tropic relic]

Do they have the row number printed on the bottom?

[lone remnant]

they do

thankfully

i just needed to know the row order of the 60HE

[whole oak]

Standard

[proven flame]

are there any plans to sell just the 60he v2 module?

[spring stirrup]

Yes, they will sell module

[cursive shale]

Will the module come out at the same time as the V2?

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[loud wren]

Wen Preorder?

[whole oak]

Q4

[hardy wadi]

How tasty are the tikken? Do they taste good with milk in a bowl? Asking for a friend

[winged pewter]

Any chance I can turn in my Wooting60he for the v2

[hardy wadi]

look at that picture

[spring stirrup]

not true 8k, but you can mod your 60he and it can be close to v2

[timber nimbus]

I think he’s asking if he can swap

[spring stirrup]

oh

[hardy wadi]

yeah hes asking to trade it in for the newer keyboard

[winged pewter]

[spring stirrup]

just sell it and get v2

[vast dagger]

Does any keyboard company do trade ins?

[sinful plover]

hello i would like to trade in my wooting one from 2018 for a new 60he v2

[terse cape]

Deal

Meet me in November and I will hand deliver it

[jagged yacht]

"my foot" 💀

[sullen bear]

Milk tea Tikken Regular sweetness and less ice pls

[hearty breach]

wait,
will the 60he v2 come with a travel case / bag?

[whole oak]

No.

But one IS available separately.

[hearty breach]

alrighty,
Thanks Mansen

[wheat wadi]

Well Wooting 60HE+ Founder's Campaign did come with a traveling case.. will the V2 come with those benefits as well or is that something you can't discuss?

[whole oak]

We never did such a campaign for the 60HE+

https://wooting.io/post/wooting-60he-rewards-and-perks
Nor for the 60HE where we DID do such a campaign. The case was an optional, non-free addon.

Edit: Ah my brain's going bad it seems. It was part of the mid and high tiers, instead of the soft sleeve we ended up needing to scrap.

[hardy wadi]

60v2 travel case when?

truly hate the 60 travel case. 80he case is very classy

just look at it 🫦

[terse cape]

Chop a bit out the middle and reconnect the parts 🤣

[lucid trout]

Technicly you could fit 80he and 60he in one case

[candid solar]

60he + mouse in 1 case

🔥

[terse cape]

Think if I get a Wooting tattoo on my back they'll give me a v2 🤣

I'll be like an advertising board

[lucid trout]

No, send postcard.

[devout violet]

minimal and rugged

[hardy wadi]

you know it looks good stop lying

[devout violet]

My point exactly I dig it

[peak prairie]

Soon the split space bar will come home

[lone remnant]

does anyone know if the 60HE PCB fits inside a Ducky One 2 Mini?

[tropic relic]

It fits inside the One2 Mecha Mini’s case, not sure if that helps?

[lone remnant]

thanks! that helps a bit

just need to check if one 2 mecha mini has the same body

[tropic relic]

IIRC, the PCB of the Mecha is the same, so if the regular One2 has a tray mount case too, it’ll fit.

[lone remnant]

okay, thank you!

[tropic relic]

It’ll work, most likely.

It’ll work.

;)

[lone remnant]

thank you!

you're a legend

you saved me a lot of time haha

thats gonna be such a cool mod

past and future

[storm snow]

Will the 60 he v2 have the same compatibility with third party cases?

[spring stirrup]

Yes

[storm snow]

Cool

[fathom haven]

do u guys think it will cost more then the 80he?

[tropic relic]

Not more than the Zinc 80HE

but more than the ABS 80HE for sure.

[fathom haven]

dang so over 200?

jeez

that’s quite a lot

[tropic relic]

the module will probably be cheaper

[spring stirrup]

It comes with alu case, it will cost more than 200 yes

[tropic relic]

than the 80HE module

[fathom haven]

the v2 sounds so nice ngl

[spring stirrup]

Yeah, it sounds good with EPDM foam

[fathom haven]

it has that and silicone right

[spring stirrup]

Yes

It comes with silicon, but you can replace it with EPDM foam

[fathom haven]

the final total bouta come out to 260 for the v2

cuz wooting 80he is 199 and plus tax and all that is 220 for me

[fathom haven]

u gotta do it by hand or is there a option when u order

[spring stirrup]

You have to do it yourself, but its very easy

You just pull up the module with the tool and then replace silicon with the foam

[fathom haven]

do u think the v2 will be better then the 80he?

[spring stirrup]

Both stock? Sure

[fathom haven]

abs 80he sounds better then zinc alloy

the zinc 80he has rattle

more rattle then Abs

[timber nimbus]

that's pretty normal metal case sound

there's soundtest on the youtube channel for v2 if you were waiting for that

[fathom haven]

i already saw it

the video is listed on the v2 page

[fathom haven]

do u have a zinc or abs?

[timber nimbus]

i have both

[fathom haven]

which one sounds better in your opinion

[timber nimbus]

i like plastic for lower pitch switches and metal for clackier higher pitched ones

just depends on the sound profile

[fathom haven]

which one has more rattle though?

zinc for u im assuming?

[timber nimbus]

i'm not sure what you mean by rattle

neither case rattles, it's just different sound pitch due to the materials

[fathom haven]

like space bar

[timber nimbus]

the space bar is same amount of movement in either case

if the space bar tone annoys you, normally you'd throw in some space bar foam

[fathom haven]

oh

i plan on ordering a 80he but i might wait until i see the price of the v2

[timber nimbus]

they've said more than right now 60he pricing but not 'a lot' more

so community has been guessing in that $200-230 sort of range but that's just community guesses

[fathom haven]

my guess is like 220

[spring stirrup]

Just pick the layout you like more, you can get 80HE module with new Lekker Tikkens

[fathom haven]

same price as the ez63 magnetic jade pros

[fathom haven]

thing is i’m not good at putting all the stuff together so i’d feel like i’d break something

in the process of doing it

[timber nimbus]

the module is semi-assembled already in that you just have to put it into the case. The actual pcb sandwich is already pre-built

[spring stirrup]

Wooting has guides on youtube

You need to connect one cable and put switches

[fathom haven]

oh

alright

but what’s the main difference between the lekker v2 and the tikkens

[spring stirrup]

Closed bottom, improved stem wobble

improved magnet tolerances

[fathom haven]

any sound difference ?

[spring stirrup]

Yes

Because of fully closed bottom tikkens will sound different

[timber nimbus]

it brings wooting stock switch up to level of the best aftermarket switches right now basically, but take what i say with grain of salt as i'm employed by them of course

[fathom haven]

i’ll wait until i see a video on youtube of the 80he with the tikken

then i’ll decide what i get

[timber nimbus]

it's same switch as in the v2 sound test

[tropic relic]

as long as there’s no blatant misinformation involved (like with the v2s), you’re all good :)

[spring stirrup]

v2s?

what was it

[tropic relic]

if the tikkens are what they say they are, they’re gonna be number one (maybe not in terms of wobble just yet though).

[tropic relic]

that there were some “big changes/improvements” and that they definitely weren’t a Hejin Yellow.

😂

[timber nimbus]

i think that's a mischaracterization by a few folks who mixed up the info

[tropic relic]

With a Woot logo slapped on them.*

[tropic relic]

Right.

[timber nimbus]

big changes/improvements was referring to vs v1, which it was, but some folks got it mixed up as wooting saying it was a big change vs. other switches

then they ran with it saying wooting was lying etc. instead of clarifying

[tropic relic]

I’m not referring to that.

[timber nimbus]

they actually aren't straight copies of hejin yellow btw, i've checked. Can't say more than that but they are not straight clones despite what some people were saying

[tropic relic]

They are so much the same that Hejin didn’t know the difference between the Redmagic(?) one and Woot’s

[timber nimbus]

a factory making a mistake of putting one switch from another vendor into a different brands batch isn't the same as 2 switches being identical

again - that whole story of them being the same was just ran with by a certain crowd without even checking to see if they really were the same

[tropic relic]

Not everything is some big crowd conspiracy. They (or we, idk really) ran that because that’s what they are, the same.

As I said, the only difference is the Wooting logo slapped on top and the lube.

[timber nimbus]

not true at all. If you have both you can check the gauss rating for example and other things

[tropic relic]

Hence my saltiness (if you will) about the misinformation being spread at the time.

[timber nimbus]

they are not the same though. For example even if 2 switches have the same base start, brands can request modifications beyond just color

[tropic relic]

Elaborate on the “other things”

[timber nimbus]

i can't elaborate, but since you probably own the 2 switches yourself you can even just check to see if the magnet strength is exactly the same

[tropic relic]

Why defend this, honestly?

[timber nimbus]

i'm not defending it. I'm not even saying they're drastically different

[tropic relic]

They are the same, by reasonable definition. As I already said.

[timber nimbus]

but they are not the same oem with color and logo change

for example if one switch is just an oem recolor it's not the same as another switch doing recolor, magnet, modifications to tolerances etc

even if both come from the same oem base

there's a big difference in 2 statements:
Statement 1: These are the same switch, wooting just slapped a different logo on them
Statement 2: These are similar switches, wooting made changes to whatever the base switch is

[tropic relic]

gateron could use you honestly

if you were in their marketing team, nothing would be a recolor

😭

[timber nimbus]

you're mixing up messaging

[tropic relic]

definitely not

[timber nimbus]

again i'm not saying they're drastically different

i'm not even saying it's a big improvement

[devout violet]

Oh snap I didn't know you were on the wooting team until now haha

congrats

[timber nimbus]

danke

[tropic relic]

as you have them and as you have checked and compared them to Lekker V2s, are they physically identical to Lekker V2s (apart from the logo, lube and magnet strength)?

[timber nimbus]

yes

[tropic relic]

Good.

[timber nimbus]

although depends what you mean by physically

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[timber nimbus]

do you mean the base structure seems the same or do you mean tolerances

like what do you mean by physically same

[tropic relic]

what in the Dr.Peterson

[timber nimbus]

do you mean do they measure exactly the same?

or do you mean they use the similar base

yes is they do use similar base, no if you mean are they physically identical

[tropic relic]

They measure within tolerance of one another (which we’ve come to know from Hejin is quite a lot) so within reason, they are physically identical.

Enough semantics?

[timber nimbus]

then no, they don't

although i'd guess hejin or other manus roll out changes one brand makes to a shared mold unless exclusivity contracts etc are made, but that's just me talking general things that happen in switches and not this specific case as I haven't checked into that

[tropic relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/990039516620390400/997631476554285186/ezgif.com-gif-maker_-_2022-07-15T183109.613.gif

[timber nimbus]

for example with a lot of switch manus if brand a requests certain things done, brand b might benefit because of lack of exclusivity contract meaning they might also get those upgrades

it just depends on the contracts and how things are done

happens a lot with many various manus

[tropic relic]

You consider 900Gs and 700Gs Duhuks a different switch by the way?

[timber nimbus]

nope, not unless there are tolerances differences

were there tolerance changes?

[tropic relic]

They’re the same

[timber nimbus]

then no

[tropic relic]

:)

[timber nimbus]

they're same switch

but if duhuk made another switch with same mold with tolerance changes then no i wouldn't call it the same switch

[tropic relic]

How about Deng Gods and Lucifers?

[timber nimbus]

didn't geon change tolerances a bit?

i wouldn't call those the same then if what geon said is true

he said on stream some tolerances were changed iirc

[tropic relic]

He somewhat said so but both measure within each others tolerances

Don’t think he said tolerances specifically, I think it was just the mold, so could have to do with something else as well.

[timber nimbus]

i think it's just a different view of what we think of as the same

you seem to think deng god and lucifer are the same, i don't think so because if he changed tolerances then it's not the same for me

similar but not same is how I look at it

[tropic relic]

gateron has claimed tolerance improvements on every switch release, so good to know you consider non of them recolors.

[timber nimbus]

to be fair to gateron there are minor differences with a couple lines, i'd actually divide the recolors into 2 sets

there's the pre top housing jade pro and the post top housing ones

where they made tolerance changes to the top housing

[tropic relic]

there are more than 2 sets

numerous of them are actually recolors though

i.e, physically the same but in a different color

[timber nimbus]

yeah i think this just comes down the how you define it vs me

[tropic relic]

if you argue semantics for every switch, then none can be recolors

[timber nimbus]

like i'd be willing to say gateron jade ruby seems to have some difference in that the top housing there seems to be improved, even though i wouldn't call it drastically different

[tropic relic]

I don’t.

[timber nimbus]

i'm not arguing semantics, you just have to understand we have different definitions of what is a straight recolor

yours is broader

[tropic relic]

Jade Rubies aren’t a recolor of the Jade Pros, I think I was the first to point that out.

[timber nimbus]

yeah but a lot of the community treat them as such

which i don't agree with fully even though i'd place them as 'similar enough' that they fall into same category of recommendations

so in the end it's not semantics, it's just what you think is the 'line' of enough tolerance changes

[tropic relic]

your line is if the company (only certain ones, not all) claims tolerance improvements, then it’s not a recolor! 😃👍

[timber nimbus]

kinda but i need to be able to notice or feel differences

aka jade pro > jade ruby

although i'd give some benefit of doubt to something like TTC upgrading magnets

[tropic relic]

do you notice or feel the difference between Lekker V2s and Hejin Teal/Yellows?

[timber nimbus]

but that's mostly cause it's too hard to test

[tropic relic]

Including the difference in magnet strength.

[timber nimbus]

i can't really talk about specifics there without giving internal data. Don't you own both these

[tropic relic]

[timber nimbus]

you can play around with them yourself between them

[tropic relic]

You have them both, this was your argument man. I’m just repeating your exact argument back to you.

[timber nimbus]

it's interesting though that you don't think gateron jade ruby is a recolor of jade pro though

[timber nimbus]

yeah but I can't share what I know because i'm literally breaking nda if I do

[tropic relic]

They are factually, physically different.

[timber nimbus]

you have them both so you can measure and confirm

[tropic relic]

Woot is that strict huh.

[tropic relic]

I already did. ;)

[timber nimbus]

for example with ttc they only upgraded magnet in some switches and that's main difference

but i don't refer to them as same because that's an actual change they did and magnets does increase price a decent bit

[tropic relic]

I don’t have those in yet so not sure how much is a definitive improvement.

[timber nimbus]

like ttc sacred heart vs. purple heart. Seemingly same mold but different magnets, so for me I wouldn't call them as "ttc just rebadged these"

i wouldn't recommended them differently though because they fit into same-same level of recommendation with magnets all being good enough, but i wouldn't go to ttc and say 'you guys just released the same switch'

[tropic relic]

There being less variation between magnet strength doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a magnet improvement (it can be a magnetization improvement) nor does it translate to an improvement read by the sensor (it’s far within tolerance of Woot’s boards).

[timber nimbus]

yeah i don't disagree

[tropic relic]

Unless they stated they actually changed the magnet (composition) as well.

[timber nimbus]

again i'm talking 2 different things. By saying one thing, i'm not saying the second thing isn't also true still

[tropic relic]

Then that’d be a different magnet.

[timber nimbus]

i think it can be both true that those 2 switches are not the same, but also that they're not really different to average user

in case of magnets whatever they did to improve magnet tolerance between those 2 ttc switches

[tropic relic]

I think assuming differences because the manu or brand claims it, doesn’t really mean anything in this time.

With all the shit manus (and brands) say.

Any verifyable difference is what matters the most

[timber nimbus]

sure, although for me i don't mind if that change is just magnet quality, maybe you don't care about that though and that's fine

[tropic relic]

Which for stem to housing tolerances isn’t hard to figure out with some 3rd party stems/housings.

[timber nimbus]

TTC does that a lot with differences in magnet quality

[tropic relic]

if it’s an actual magnet improvement I care, for sure. Though I haven’t seen that happen yet, at least not that I remember.

[timber nimbus]

well the ttc magnet changes are verified if you compare the gauss readings by some testers

[tropic relic]

magnet quality I care about, magnetization quality not so much (got me on the semantics now lmao).

[timber nimbus]

i think the case becomes a bit interesting with molds shared between brands too

[tropic relic]

that I can agree with

[timber nimbus]

because you don't necessarily know who made changes if one brand requests them and the changes end up on multiple other switches

[tropic relic]

it becomes even more interesting if a whole server dedicated to finding switches doesn’t know what molds a switch uses

[timber nimbus]

like for example if mold gets shared between x and y company but company x says "do these things!" then company y also benefits from those changes but who cloned who really

unless company x paid for exclusivity

[tropic relic]

I doubt many actually do mold alterations rather than completely new molds. The only mold that might’ve been exclusive is Raw HEs’ bottom housing.

That hasn’t popped up anywhere after Raw HEs.

Can’t say the same for all other parts though.

It could be that Hejin doesn’t do exclusive molds.

[timber nimbus]

that's why I tend to be a bit charitable with shared mold stuff because i don't know which company did what

like for example if Company Bob requested and got certain improvements made, but Company Frank also got them upgraded silently since they share molds, I don't want to then get company frank's switch and say "yo company bob, wtf you just lazy rebranded franks switch!"

especially since we know manu's do quiet upgrades all the time and sometimes switches has silent mold changes that don't get announced (like the disaster that was the gateron silently changing lekker mold that caused the sticking issue 2-ish years ago)

[tropic relic]

If company Frank’s “improvements” are within the tolerances of company Bob, then the improvement was either symbolic or a blatant lie, which ever it may be, calling that a recolor is completely justified in my book.

[timber nimbus]

that's the tricky part too, in that how do you know you have company bob and franks switches from different or same batches

what if you got the post mold change in both and not 1 from before and 1 from after

[tropic relic]

There are very very very few switches I buy late. Nearly all are first batch (and if a change is made [that I am aware of] then it becomes a physically different switch subject to collecting [again], like V1 and V2 KoMs for example).

[timber nimbus]

yeah but what if that switch mold was made before that brand used it

so for random example - if 2-3 companies share the same mold from latenpow. Let's say drunkdeer goes to latenpow and says please make this, then latenpow says great we can do that. Then ATK says hey we want a switch, what you got? And they decide to make this switch using the mold drunkdeer got because it's not exclusive

[tropic relic]

The only time I could miss a switch (iteration) is if two brands use the exact same color switch that is slightly altered (and it doesn’t have any apparent differences either ofc).

Otherwise I collect every color of every switch. 😵‍💫

and every change that is made along the way as well (if I know about it).

[timber nimbus]

the thing is there's a lot of silent stuff that isn't made known that people don't know about with some of those

so even with you collecting first batch switches there's a lot of stuff that gets missed along the way especially with unpopular stuff that no one cares about - like mass used oem molds

like realistically deng god could have made 5 changes that were noticably different if you knew to look for it, but who on earth is buying 5 deng gods along that set timeline

and much less testing them

[tropic relic]

I’m not sure what that’s based on, from all the different switches I have, there isn’t one that is the exact same color, of two different brands, with a slightly different bottom housing for example.

[timber nimbus]

that's what I'm talking about though because you're not buying the later batches (because that would also be insane to do so)

[tropic relic]

Hejin has made some “silent” changed but all were with a different colored version of the switch (by a different brand and under a different name as well).

[tropic relic]

If a change is found, then I would. Though, that change being apparent in the next (new colored version) of the switch is more likely. That hasn’t happened much either though.

[pliant junco]

I was wondering if the 60HE V2 module board can be mounted in the 60HE+ case ?

[timber nimbus]

that's what i mean though. The 'found' part is where it's unlikely for folks to check or find because who cares about checking some of these old switches to compare

[tropic relic]

If the 60HE V2 module comes with the friction pad stock, then you’d have to remove the friction pad first before you can mount it.

[pliant junco]

oh. thanks

[tropic relic]

I think what you mean is when the same switch by the same brand gets a new iteration, not so much a switch out of the same mold by a different brand (as that nearly always comes with a different color stem for example). Again, Hejin has some switches that had iteration but not many.

Like the UR Ice Maxes for example.

Compared to the Ultras.

[timber nimbus]

Kind of yeah, but sometimes brands will roll out changes without changing the name is what I mean

like when you noticed changes with ttc v1 and v2

like for example if deng god got a 2027 change for oem vendor 182734 in china, no one is going to go crosscheck them to vendor 139 from 2024, especially if that switch is only sold direct in prebuilt with keyboard

[tropic relic]

It’s possible of course but it’d be very likely that that iteration of the switch then gets a recolor (by a different brand).

and I think you’re overestimating how many brands make changes to the molds.

It’s really expensive and risky as well.

[timber nimbus]

yeah i'm not saying it's commonly done, just that it can be done and in rare cases does get done

and for example if that new iteration only appears as a stock prebuilt and not loose switch sale it becomes even less noticed

[tropic relic]

If the change is unnoticeable by looking at it from the outside and inside (many board reviewers review the switch as well) then yes, it can go by unnoticed.

That happening and the mold then never getting used again for a recolored version would seem highly unlikely to me though.

but indeed, it is possible.

[inner knoll]

Guys

!

I have a question

[mortal lake]

Do we have any specifications on this wooting board yet? chipset etc?

[whole oak]

Don't ask to ask, ask the question.

[whole oak]

[grim glen]

am5

[hearty breach]

am5 ryzen?

[mortal lake]

am5?

The arm spec

since ik it uses arm for quantum

[grim glen]

what

[whole oak]

[hearty breach]

60he v2 can give extra performance

for the cpu

[green shale]

I’m someone who has never used a split spacebar in my life, but I’ve always been curious to try it.

At the same time, I hesitate to commit because I worry that it might not suit my needs — and I’d regret spending money on something that doesn’t fit my typing habits.

Another issue is keycap compatibility. I mainly use older GMK sets that I didn’t originally purchase with split spacebar support in mind, so finding the right sizes can be very difficult. That’s another reason why I’m still unsure about switching.

That said, I’d love to suggest creating a more in-depth survey or “compatibility-style quiz” that helps users understand whether split spacebar really fits their usage — even if they’ve never considered it before.

Sometimes we don’t even realize what layouts we might benefit from until someone asks the right questions.

[spring stirrup]

You can return it if you dont like split spacebar

Pretty much all keycaps are compatible afaik

[sinful plover]

a lot of gmk sets come with the caps needed

ofc i have no way of knowing if yours will work but most of my sets will

[green shale]

I appreciate the return option, but I feel that returning it from my location would take a lot of time and money. I’d rather avoid taking the risk and adding more work for the Wooting team.

[spring stirrup]

Wooting provides prepaid label

[green shale]

That makes sense. I only picked up base kits when I got my GMKs, I didn’t know about split spacebars back then, so I didn’t think to get the extra kits. Kind of regretting it now that I’m considering trying one.

[sinful plover]

nah i mean even base sets

most of my base kits include the basic split spacebars

[green shale]

That’s really helpful to know, thank you! It’s great that Wooting provides a prepaid return label. Still, I feel it might take quite a bit of time and back-and-forth, and I’d hate to bother the team or return something just because I made the wrong call from the beginning so I’d like to be sure first.

[spring stirrup]

You dont need to worry about keycap compatiblity, 60he v2 will have 2.75u and 2.25u split spacebars

If you use use left thumb for spacebar most of the time, you will like 60he v2 with split spacebar

[sinful plover]

i actually use my chin for it and sometimes my foot so i would argue that actually the spacebar layout sucks for me so it should be changed for everyone

[green shale]

Here’s my main set GMK Serika R2.
I’ve looked through it but I really don’t see any way to configure a proper split spacebar layout.
If there is a way and I’m just overlooking it, I’d truly appreciate it if you could let me know. Thanks!

[sinful plover]

i am an expert in these things of course

[sinful plover]

you might be able to get beige gmk bars, idk how good the color match would be but maybe worth a shot

gmk norde for example has the caps needed and it may be a decent color match, but i would recommend asking around if someone has both to double check

[green shale]

Thanks so much for taking the time to help me out. I really appreciate it!
I didn’t expect anyone to go this far just to suggest alternatives. I’ll definitely look into GMK Norde and beige bars and see if there’s a match that works with Serika.
Thanks again that was super thoughtful of you!

[sinful plover]

oh no problem, i just happened to know that this set has that color and includes those bars cause i own it haha

i found a site that seem to sell gmk spacebars for common color codes, not sure if they are legit but maybe worth a shot

[green shale]

Thank you so much again for taking the time to look that up for me. I really appreciate it!
I’ll definitely check the site out and try to see if it’s a reliable source.
You’ve been incredibly helpful, seriously. Thanks again!

[sinful plover]

no worries, it's been a great distraction from studying, i needed something to procrastinate with

[tropic relic]

If you have another set, you can use its L and R Shift as spacebars. You can flip them upside down and it’ll be a bit more comfortable to use as they aren’t convex keycaps.

and if you want to try it, just try it and send it back if you end up not liking it.

They went with a non-optional split space so they’re gonna have many returns regardless.

(as they probably anticipated already)

[green shale]

Actually, I don’t think it would be much of a problem if users weren’t too picky, just like you said using flipped Shift keys could work in theory.
But in my case, I don’t have two sets of the same colorway, so I can’t really do that without the mismatch standing out.

As for the design choice and returns, I’ve seen some of Wooting’s videos, and I imagine there must be many challenges behind the scenes cost, logistics, support, etc.
That’s why I mentioned earlier that it might be a great idea to offer a psychology-style quiz or compatibility test one that’s hard to “game” and goes deeper than just asking direct questions.

This way, users get to understand more about their actual typing style and layout preferences even the parts they haven’t realized themselves. And at the same time, Wooting would get clearer insight into their customer base.
It’s a low-cost solution compared to handling returns, and I think it could genuinely help both sides.

[tropic relic]

Most people don’t have two keycap sets. Calder proposed using the L and R Shift keycaps from a second keycap set which is nonsensical for all the people that don’t already have two keycap sets. If it was a 64% that had the split, then a single keycap set could actually support everything, and in that case Calder’s argument would’ve made sense. 🥴

For the “quiz”, it’s pretty simple already. If you press space with your left thumb on the (far) left side of the spacebar and you don’t use your right thumb for space at all, then there’s no reason why you’d dislike it. It might still be that you find the middle key too far or just unnatural to use, which is fine as well, you don’t have to use it.

You could post the “quiz” idea in #1141096226884956181, it’s not a bad idea for customers wanting to order a split space 60HE v2.

[opaque depot]

only for NL

everywhere else in the world, return costs are on customer

dunno where you are but just thought to point that out

[green shale]

I totally agree. I’ll go ahead and post the quiz idea in the feedback channel.
Thanks a lot for the suggestion!

[green shale]

I’m based in Thailand, so yeah, I’m pretty sure return shipping wouldn’t be free.
There would definitely be some costs involved.

[tropic relic]

What the fuck

For the US too?

Or countries within the EU?

completely forgot. so the people that aren’t from NL and end up not liking the split get discouraged from returning it too 💀

[rotund lotus]

Returns/replacements under warranty are covered by Wooting. Returns not under warranty (customer made mistake during ordering, product didn't meet customer's expectations, etc) are required to pay the return shipping cost, typically about equal to the original shipping cost on the order.

[tropic relic]

Customer didn’t make a mistake if they don’t know.

This is the polar opposite of innovation imo

I don’t know why I forgot the return shipping cost wouldn’t be covered

[tropic relic]

Were the people that designed it gonna give a reason for why they didn’t go with the optional split by the way?

I think that was said a while ago but I could have missed it.

[rotund lotus]

This has been the established policy for years, not sure why this seems surprising to you?

[tropic relic]

^

Probably because I’m from NL.

[wooden bluff]

optional or not is not even the biggest issue with this. it's more so not a necessary change. or like not a change that is future-proof. not a standard that will have staying power.

and there has yet to be made a good kb with layout that is actually made much more for gaming, than just for some reason still adhering too much to the ancient normie layout.
even "gaming kbs", with like only one left half or something, still get this wrong.
so there is just so good opportunity to actually make the first and best gaming kb, with literally 0 competition on the market.
taking ideas from this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1375090389240909944/1375499426222702602/Wooting_60he_v2_-_SUPER-PERFECT-2.png?ex=686b426a&is=6869f0ea&hm=0b5027b446402a64e08140ed24e561725be7ad0a5073d39ec6ea5fc31e82fa99&
(also with Backspace much nicer placed for typing (also fits good for ring finger, depending on hand position))
(Alts being closer to center, also so nice for many things)

[lucid trout]

You are still going about it?

[hearty breach]

bro keeps yapping to a product that's already been agreed for production

[hearty breach]

ngl that's the worst layout i've ever seen

keep it up

make ur own pcb & production, and try to sell it

[oblique pendant]

This layout gives me headache.

[oblique pendant]

remember, it supposed to have woot knob, which means he also need to code the knob function in if it's HE and woot knob coming out,.

[hearty breach]

it will be easy for him, since he is so good at creating layout

he knows what he must do

[devout violet]

I could never stretch my pinki from ESDF cluster, also why is LCTRL so big?

[oblique pendant]

prop for ESDF

[devout violet]

i don't know how ESDF is possible to use

more power to you if you can use it tho

[lone remnant]

is possible to get white PCB foam for the 60HE?

[whole oak]

https://wooting.io/product/60he-pc-switch-plate?Layout=ANSI+Kit&Color=White

[lone remnant]

plate is white but foam is black though no?

im looking for white foam in between

[whole oak]

It's silicone.

[lone remnant]

oh, perfect

[whole oak]

The porom foam is indeed black.

You use one or the other.

[lone remnant]

ah, thanks!

bottom one is silicone?

[tropic relic]

Yes, but it’s translucent white. The render isn’t great. 😂

The friction fit pad is the same, could get that as well.

[whole oak]

Wibbly wobbly

[lone remnant]

haha yeah i was thinking the same

[lone remnant]

thanks!

[lone remnant]

yes! true i have that and i love it

[lone remnant]

this'll work with most GH60 PCBs right?

[tropic relic]

With mech boards, maybe.

Heavily depends on standoff locations which most HE boards have (only Gateron’s GT60 has them in the exact same spot as Woot).

[lone remnant]

awesome, good to know

[lament fjord]

Does the 60he v2 have tmr sensors?

[rotund lotus]

No

[hearty breach]

will the wooting 60he v2 come with a c to c cable and usb converter like 80he?
would be helpful if that's the stock cable

[whole oak]

Yes. The 60HE+ already does.

[hearty breach]

oh wait really?
c to c?

i have the old version tho

good to know

Thanks Mansen

[whole oak]

[hearty breach]

i think on the web doesn't show any c to c cable for 60he+

still usb c to a

[hardy wadi]

its an adapter that goes on usb a

iirc

[whole oak]

Looks like I was mistaken. It's still a C to A cable with no adaptor*

Too many SKUs to keep track of.

[hearty breach]

so the 60he v2 cable will be similar to 80he or keep the c to a cable with no adaptor?

[whole oak]

I do believe without? Though we may change that later, or offer the adaptor on demand.

[raw herald]

Imagine how Keychron folks must feel

[devout violet]

It's not called the Wooting 60TMR

[ruby forge]

Hello i own a wooting two , and my backspace is stuck in.
What should i do?

[short hare]

sir this is a 60he v2 channel. Please make a post in #1019755933959733258 and we can go from there

[sullen bear]

Should've give em to us in #🔧│keyboard_modding

[short hare]

feel free to keep looking here for lost children

[hardy wadi]

i need a separate channel for wooting knob

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gato-funny-dj-festa-gif-15160628

[whole oak]

I'm sure we can manage that - once we reveal more information about the project.

[hardy wadi]

i shall wait with excitement till then

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-kpop-demon-hunters-excited-thrilled-netflix-gif-12222985319743922446

why auto correct do me so dirty

[neon forum]

Tell us some of them we will keep it secret no one would know u said that

[hearty breach]

https://tenor.com/view/nariukiyo-dj-khaled-dj-gif-26371939

another one

[hardy wadi]

will the 60 wrist rest v2 have more colours or just the same colours as before?. Mb if someone already asked this

praying for a silver wrist rest

[twilit sinew]

Can't wait for the v2 tbh, that extra function key in the middle of the space bar is an amazing idea

[tiny stump]

When is the founder’s coming?
I wanna pre order the v2

[spring stirrup]

Q4 most likely

[tiny stump]

Awesome

[opaque depot]

not their idea btw, just the first to peddle it to gamers

[green shale]

Hello! I was wondering if there’s any possibility that the Owlab x Wooting keyboard case might be released alongside the launch of the Wooting 60HE V2.
It would be wonderful to see both products available together. Thank you very much for your time and amazing work.

[tropic relic]

Second batch of OW60s should be releasing at the end of august +/-.

The OW60 isn’t compatible with the split v2 so it doesn’t really matter.

Unless Owlabs improved the design*

[lucid trout]

It is compatible if you use stock v2 split fr4 plate

From what mark said

[tropic relic]

No. It’s the silicone gasket that causes it not to be compatible. The split wasn’t considered when designing the gasket.

[tropic relic]

He meant the regular v2, not the split, probably.

[lucid trout]

He meant split

[tropic relic]

Then either Owlabs improved the design on the newer batch or he didn’t know what he was talking about.

[lucid trout]

You can always ping him

[tropic relic]

You can always ping him too

I haven’t seen him say that.

[lucid trout]

Or check my messages

Talking about 60hev2

@tropic relic so?

[tropic relic]

I cba to through all your messages about the v2 man

[tropic relic]

if he said that, then he’ll correct himself whenever he’s asked again

also, the only way to know that it isn’t compatible is by having it or reading my thread

iirc, in he stream he said he didn’t have it right?

[rotund lotus]

I'll double check and get back to you

[lucid trout]

It took me five seconds.
#💬│general message

[tropic relic]

holy, somehow an even more unergonomic split exists

people that don’t understand keyboards need to be banned from designing them

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[lucid trout]

Always it could be ortho

[sinful plover]

that is the ugliest set of keycaps i think i have ever seen

[tropic relic]

LOLERS

Wondering Earth Dye-Sub 🔥🔥

[sinful plover]

you should stick to basic GMK style lettering and modifiers until you have taken 5 years on graphic and industrial design and then you can maybe make some different icon modifiers, after another 10 years maybe you can play around with the legends a little

if you ever even consider putting all over print anywhere instant license revoked

[tropic relic]

Wiz4rd for emperor, holy

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[green shale]

Hello Mark,

Thank you again for your willingness to look into this earlier.

I just wanted to kindly follow up and ask if there is any confirmation yet regarding the compatibility between the Owlab OW60 case and the Wooting 60HE V2 PCB specifically for both the split spacebar and full spacebar variants.

Many of us are currently on the fence about purchasing the OW60 case and would greatly appreciate a definitive answer. Even a brief confirmation or a short clarification video from Wooting would go a long way in helping the community access reliable information.

Personally, I’m ready to purchase as soon as this is confirmed.

Thank you very much for your time and support.

[whole oak]

Split, no. Regular, yes.

OWLab would have to concoct a new switch plate to fit the difference in layouts.

[green shale]

Thank you very much for the clarification this definitely makes my decision easier.

I was wondering if there might be any future plans to support split spacebar layouts with an official or specially designed case. The current layout limitation makes it quite difficult for split users, especially since most third-party case manufacturers likely won’t invest in making niche compatible designs.

I truly appreciate the support and transparency from your team.

[whole oak]

You would have to ask OWLab about that. It's their product, not ours.

We're just assisting them with sales to the western market.

[tropic relic]

A new gasket (and switch plate). Though, the switch plate that comes with the split v2 could work, be it a bit of a tight fit.

[whole oak]

You'd need all of those, yes. And those would all have to be of OWLab's or your own doing.

[tropic relic]

Woot should’ve communicated that feedback to OW so they might’ve been able to improve it in the second batch. Guess it’s too late now anyway.

[dusty sundial]

I do have to say you can grab the 60HE v2 split module straight out of the case and pop it in the OW60 case. It doesn't move around and fits well. You won't get the same experience but it is useable.

[whole oak]

You'd still need new products, separately. So if they want to do that, it's something they can absolutely do.

[green shale]

I completely agree with what aligner said not because I dislike Wooting’s original case.

In fact, I purchased the Wooting 80HE Zinc Alloy Black fully assembled no DIY, no opening, no lubing. Everything works perfectly and I have full trust in Wooting’s quality.

That said, I’ve been drawn to the 60% layout for quite some time, and the split spacebar option in the V2 feels genuinely interesting and refreshing for me. That’s why I want to support it and yes, I plan to order a fully assembled 60HE V2, not just the bare module.

Even if I switch to another case, I still intend to keep the original one.
My interest in the Owlab x Wooting case comes from the added switch backplate design, build structure, and aesthetic appeal. I simply want to enjoy that together with the Wooting 60HE V2.

I truly believe the Wooting team is forward-thinking and not trying to force users to stick only with their stock case.

That said, currently there are basically no third-party cases that support split spacebar, and I feel Wooting has probably thought about this already.

Perhaps you do have plans something like the OwlLab collab or another approach but just can’t share the details yet. If that’s the case, maybe you could at least confirm whether such plans exist or not. That alone would give customers a lot more confidence when choosing layouts.

[tropic relic]

Yeah that’d be a way to do it. If that’s what’s meant by it being called compatible on the website, it should be a bit more clear imo. :)

[tropic relic]

I’m not sure why it’s entirely on Owlabs though. It’s an oversight by them for sure but I also get that they didn’t know Woot was making a split space version.

[timber nimbus]

there might be some underestimation of the kind of timelines it takes for a lot of these things that may seem like quick and easy adjustments/changes

[tropic relic]

It isn’t a quick and easy adjustment

the literal mold would have to be changed to make the split compatible

[timber nimbus]

and combine that with the type of timelines and collab process required and a lot of these things get extremely complicated

[green shale]

Oh, so you mean it’s possible to drop the whole Wooting V2 split module with all its original layers straight into the OW60 case?

And then wrap it with Owlab’s O-ring around the PCB to lock it in place?

That actually sounds great for me, since I was planning to use the full original module anyway. I’m especially a big fan of the EPDM foam sound, so keeping all the stock layers intact is a big plus for me!

[tropic relic]

Probably not with its case foam but just with the friction pad and the OW60’s included adhesive foam.

The OW60’s gasket would then not be used.

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic foam is exactly the same as on ow60 upgrade kit tho

[tropic relic]

OW60 includes thin adhesive foam

the case foam of the stock v2 might be too thick for the OW60.

[dusty sundial]

You would use our friction fit pad to keep it in there. That is why i said it is not the same experience but it does fully fit.

[whole oak]

We don't share upcoming products with other brands, before they're ready to announce.

They knew as soon as everyone else. And even if they had a heads up, it wouldn't have mattered, since design and prototyping takes months. Would be a "third drop" thing all the same.

But definitely poke them, if a split version of the parts is something you want to see. Feedback is the number one way to see new products.

[tropic relic]

Well, that would seem rather shortsighted too. Unless you can’t trust those brands at all but then why would you work with them in the first place..

[tropic relic]

You poke them man, the feedback coming from the company they designed a case for weighs a lot more than a random person who’d like to see them improve their product. :/

[green shale]

If it’s not too much trouble and it could also be great content I’d love to see Wooting make a tutorial video for this, just like you’ve done before.

I’ve never assembled a keyboard before, so I honestly don’t understand what each part does or how to approach things like mounting or swapping modules. This is my first time learning.

The only reason I even know that I like the sound of the EPDM foam is because of Wooting’s most recent sound-focused video it helped me understand what I’m hearing and why I prefer it.

A quick tutorial could really help a lot of people especially those who don’t follow every discussion on Discord.

[whole oak]

I don't work for OWLab. So no 😄

I'm not a potential customer of any of their products.

[tropic relic]

Not you specifically, Woot in general. That’s literally what was stated on the OW60 page.

[whole oak]

We do have most of that in various videos combined with the product page.

[whole oak]

#1141096226884956181 is the place to get in touch with us about this, not telling me specifically. 😄

[tropic relic]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1375257019698909366 😃👍

[timber nimbus]

Feedback has definitely already been passed on regarding the whole fitting issue thing

[tropic relic]

I’d hope so

[green shale]

Just wanted to say huge thanks to @tropic relic . You’ve been incredibly helpful and clear throughout all of this.
Your input really helped me (and probably many others) feel more confident navigating this stuff. MVP for sure 🙏

[tropic relic]

[green shale]

Thanks for confirming!
That’s all I was hoping for, I really appreciate that the feedback has been heard and passed along. Fingers crossed for future improvements 🙏

[fickle zealot]

Wait what!? I bought it under the understanding that they were compatible, as this was said with the announcement. There was no "but not the split".

[tropic relic]

They mean compatible like this: #🤩│wooting60hev2 message

So the OW60’s gasket isn’t compatible but you can friction fit it.

“Compatible*”

[fickle zealot]

when we are talking about such an expensive case product. the sentence "you won't get the same experience, but it's usable" sure is... something

I feel like I've wasted money reading this

[opaque depot]

well that sucks, there goes my only reason to use the OW60 case I have still in the box

[fickle zealot]

i see I'm not the only one feeling duped right now

[opaque depot]

not really duped, just unfortunate

[fickle zealot]

I don't think it was intentional by any means, but it's what I spent the money for..

[opaque depot]

i didn't have a use for the case anyway and thought I might make something fun with the split v2 but yeah forgot it's custom plate for one particular layout

[tropic relic]

It was an oversight by Owlabs but Woot should’ve communicated their future product with them at least. Perhaps then they could’ve improved the second batch.. 😭

[fickle zealot]

and it definitely wasnt communicated

woot also should have made sure their customer base knew. they have sold it through their store. they have provided an faq that touched on the case.

[tropic relic]

I made a post in #1141096226884956181 right when I got it stating that so I assume compatible meaning with the friction pad (instead of the OW60’s gasket) was good enough.

[timber nimbus]

I’ll update the old faq post when I get some time later today. But yes compatible means you can use friction fit or gh60 style mounting with those previous cases

[fickle zealot]

id rather sell the case unused at whatever loss it's going to be than wait for the module to release, spending more moneg on that, and gamble on the experience being "good enough"

[timber nimbus]

it does fit quite well friction fit wise though for those who are fine friction fitting it. At least that’s what I heard from those who have tried it - I’ll do some tests myself once I get my copy

[tropic relic]

Just return it atp (though you do have to pay the return shipping cost if you’re not from NL).

[tropic relic]

It’s probably fine but it wouldn’t be resting on anything firm. Just the foam in between.

[fickle zealot]

I'll reach out to wooting, but i don't foresee them accepting a return, its outside of the window.

[tropic relic]

So it’s very possible that it’s a bit more squishy than the gasket would be (as that’s resting inside the front lip).

[tropic relic]

Just tell them that you had this in mind and just found out it won’t be possible. They’re pretty understanding honestly.

[fickle zealot]

I really hate coming off unreasonable or dramatic. but I do feel like I was albeit accidentally misled. Very disappointed right now.

[tropic relic]

:/

[timber nimbus]

Yeah do mention that in the ticket and there might be some leeway for return, doesn’t hurt to ask

[fickle zealot]

Will try.

Thanks for your responses anyway guys.

[tropic relic]

yw

[timber nimbus]

Max might be able to give more info on how it feels/fits if you see him around as he’s got both the v2 and the owlab cases

[inner tartan]

I can test the V2 module in the Owlab case on Sunday as well and report back. Maybe tomorrow evening but I'll be at a keyboard convention most of the day.

[whole oak]

[timber nimbus]

Max took some comparison photos of the friction fit split spacebar v2 module vs. owlabs friction band for those worried about fitting issues. Report is it fits really well if you just swap entire module into the case, no issues with extra movement when typing or anything like that:

@green shale

[green shale]

Hi sno | jed, thanks again for all the clarifications earlier, I really appreciate how open and detailed you’ve been with the community.

I’ve spent quite some time digging into both the Wooting 60HE V2 module structure and the OW60’s internal architecture, and I wanted to confirm a few things based on how the materials and mountings interact just to make sure I’m not missing anything before committing fully.

Here’s a quick breakdown of what I’ve gathered, and would love your confirmation if you have a moment:
1. PET Film (Wooting V2) – Will this cause any pressure points or compression issues when placed into the OW60 case?
2. HD Poron vs Rogers PORON® (Sandwich Layer) – Is there any reason to remove Wooting’s HD Poron and switch to the Rogers PORON® provided with OW60?
3. Switch Plate (FR4) – Since the Wooting module includes its own plate, is there any downside to keeping that instead of using OW60’s carbon fiber plate?
4. Mounting System Difference (Friction Fit vs Gasket) – Given that the OW60 isn’t using its native gasket in this case, do you foresee any typing feel or long-term durability concerns with just friction pad + adhesive foam?
5. Bottom Foam Conflict (EPDM vs INOAC PORON) – As far as I understand, EPDM/Silicone block from Wooting needs to be removed to fit inside OW60. Will this noticeably alter the typing acoustics or stability?

Lastly, if I move the full V2 module into the OW60 without disassembling it:
→ Will that setup work well long term without flexing or movement?
→ Any internal OW60 foam I should avoid using (due to compression or misalignment)?

I know this is quite technical, but I think having these answers will help many of us who genuinely want to enjoy both Wooting performance and Owlab aesthetics without unintended compromises.

Thanks again for taking the time 🙏

[tropic relic]

1. PET film goes in between the PCB and switches. It doesn’t compress so it doesn’t cause issues but it’s not compatible with the split 60HE v2.

2. It doesn’t really matter if you use the plate foam provided with the OW60 or the stock foam. The OW60’s foam is cut slightly smaller but slightly bigger foam doesn’t cause any issues. Of course, the plate foam provided with the OW60 isn’t compatible with the split v2.

3. The CF plate that comes with the OW60 is slightly smaller on the outside to make the gasket fit snug. The stock FR4 plate probably isn’t the same size as the CF plate of the OW60, so using the FR4 with the OW60’s gasket would result in a really really tight fit (if you even manage to get it in). I’d only use the FR4 with the friction pad and OW60’s CF (or a custom plate) with the gasket.

4. The OW60 includes an adhesive foam sheet to stick to the back of the PCB. It’s significantly thinner (probably because there’s less room in the OW60. You can probably use the thicker foam that comes with the v2 as well. It can alter acoustics but not by much.

Using the OW60 with a friction pad is probably fine but as I said before, there is “nothing” holding it up, just friction and potentially the case foam. So it’s possible that it’s a bit less stiff/sags overtime compared to the gasket.

Don’t need to avoid any foam, you can play around with the case foams and see which you like best. :)

[timber nimbus]

1. You'd just be swapping in entire v2 module into the case, so the pet film is already in the module sandwiched in and shouldn't cause issues there
2. Same again with the poron - you're just using the whole wooting kit instead of owlabs part
3. It'd be a difference of fr4 vs carbon fiber (personal preference more so than anything else - carbon fiber is more stiff and poppy, fr4 is more of in between pc and carbon fiber, people like both)
4. There shouldn't be but I can't really comment on that as no one has used them long term. I can't imagine any particular issue as the friction fit just seems to fit in there fine.
5. Sound differences will be there, but it'll be personal preference of what acoustics you prefer. There shouldn't be anything different stability wise.

again - there shouldn't be any real issues long term with flexing and movement as far as we've seen, but we haven't used it long term either. It fits just like any other friction fit mount.

• you won't be using any of the ow60 foam or parts basically. It's a straight take v2 module > put into owlabs case > done.

the compromise is basically you don't get to use the owlabs plate and gasket, and you swap over to just using friction fit with wootings full module sandwich and no bottom foam/pad under

if you're happy with that then it should be fine

[green shale]

Hi sno | jed,
Thanks again for breaking things down so clearly especially for someone who has never assembled a keyboard before!

I just have one more question that I’m still unsure about:
If I decide to go with the full spacebar layout instead of the split, would I still encounter any of these fitting or material issues?
Or would it fit perfectly out of the box, just like the standard Wooting 60HE+ setup?

Also, would I still need to swap any layers (like gaskets, foams, or the switch plate), or does everything just drop in as-is?

Would love your clarification on this point. 🙏

Thanks again for your support!

[timber nimbus]

if you go with standard spacebar then all the compatibility works same as current 60he

and yes you would need to do some swapping of layer parts IF you wanted to use all the owlab parts as it works now

[green shale]

Thank you for explaining everything so clearly. It was very easy to understand, especially for someone who has never assembled a keyboard before. 🙏

[tropic relic]

@sullen bear you had a friction fit build with a standoffless (removed them yourself, I remember) case right? Did you notice any issues of the module sagging in the case or was it pretty sturdy?

[inner tartan]

I've done this a few times and never experienced any sagging over time. There really isn't anything to sag since the PCB and Plate and pad are all screwed together.

[tropic relic]

Sagging as in the module lowering in the case(or bouncing but much slower).

In the Optimum and Tofu, you got standoffs holding it up.

So it’s a bit different.

A lot more firm I’d imagine.

[inner tartan]

I've done it in a number of cases that don't have standoffs, like the Baldr60 for example and it was great. Could I apply a ton of force and push the module down a few mm until the lip of the pad hit the case bottom? Probably, but then it would have been hell getting it back out lol.

[tropic relic]

So not something that happens in normal use? I haven’t tried friction fitting in a case without standoffs ever I think.

Or like any ticking of the USB-C port hitting the case.

(can happen with the salv, though that’s a lot less stiff)

[sinful plover]

I would like to add that the first chinese previews for the ow60 were using the friction fit pad so maybe it is still (somewhat) designed to fit with that as well

[sullen bear]

It was sturdy, no sag. Although the case was standoffless, cases like the tofu and what not still has case posts that are leveled with the standoffs in the case which the pcb sits on.

[tropic relic]

Yeah, I think that’s what the website meant.

[tropic relic]

You had case foam in it or nothing?

[sullen bear]

Poly fill iirc

[hazy imp]

wtf is disable windows key shortcut for wooting 60he its so hard to find

[spring stirrup]

FN + Caps + Win

[night anchor]

Does tenz have a prototype? https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMHgEe9FVEQG6-88xnY/

[tropic relic]

Nah, doesn’t look like it at all.

[winged pewter]

E

[slim mural]

Wooting 60HE v2?

[hardy wadi]

hes trolling

tenz has it

[neon forum]

Tenz is part of the wooting team so its normall for him to have it

[slim mural]

^

[green shale]

Honestly, it’s not about Tenz getting the prototype early that’s totally fair since he’s part of the Wooting team.

What saddens me is that Wooting seems to have pushed out the prototype to pro players, but never properly communicated or coordinated with Owlab regarding the OW60. It feels like they’ve completely abandoned that ecosystem, as if it was never part of their roadmap.

Instead of building upon and expanding a promising product line, it feels like they just left it behind. That’s really disappointing to see.

[timber nimbus]

The owlab case is a totally separate product made outside of wooting by Owlab

wooting just helps them sell it outside of china

[green shale]

I understand, what I meant was the continuation or evolution of previous collaborations and product lines.

For example, I still don’t know whether the split spacebar works in the Optimum case. Everything has felt a bit vague, and honestly, if it wasn’t for these Discord discussions, we wouldn’t know any of this. Even with a Computex showcase, these details really should have been made clearer on the website or at the event so that press and YouTubers could communicate the full picture.

It’s just like how clear it was when you showed the 4U Knob on the Wooting 80HE, or how Sander mentioned in the video that you plan to support 1U knobs to replace any keycap that was incredibly clear and easy to understand. I just wish that same clarity existed for compatibility and legacy support too.

[timber nimbus]

split spacebar works in optimum case last I checked. It fits friction fit well

I'll keep in mind for product pages to note compatibility but please be aware all of these split spacebar type discussions are very early on in the process and a lot of things are not final/still in the works which is why you don't see more info on them

things have to be finalized before they can be added onto product pages etc. - which comes later in the process. Discord discussions are just letting people have some early insight into what's going on, but are not meant to replace the later finalized information

[green shale]

Thank you for the clarification. I truly appreciate you taking the time to respond in detail.

That said, I think what makes it a bit frustrating is that these early design decisions especially regarding compatibility with key layouts like split spacebar are critical for people planning their builds. Enthusiasts don’t just “wait and see” they pre-plan, order matching parts, cases, and keysets ahead of time.

I understand that Discord is a space for early insights, but I believe some form of structured public-facing roadmap (even if subject to change) would help avoid confusion and align expectations.

Especially since so much trust was placed in the ecosystem when OW60 launched. Many people assumed future support would be handled more cohesively.

I still love what Wooting is doing, but I hope more transparency and communication will be prioritized moving forward 🙏

[timber nimbus]

sure i'll note that for the future. Is there a particular case you were still missing the info for on split spacebar? I can provide info regarding wooting cases and their compatibility with things like alumaze and optimum cases which are made by wooting so we do have control over them unlike the OW60 case

Keep in mind we are still quite early in the process for a lot of these things. It can be tricky to do a roadmap when a lot of wooting employees themselves don't have v2 prototypes yet and things can still change with compatibility.

[vast dagger]

Honestly struggling to think of another keyboard brand that is anywhere near as transparent as Wooting or where you can openly talk to staff that aren't just the marketing department

[opaque depot]

yeah I honestly find it a little bit weird that they work together with owlab to create a custom case (specifically for the 60he) and then immediately sunset the 60he and create a 60hev2 that is not entirely supported in that case

[timber nimbus]

It basically requires owlab to make a custom plate because their solution is a full custom plate and gasket designed just for their case - so even gh60 standard layouts aren’t enough to be compatible with their case

[opaque depot]

so in this case I would expect wooting to communicate that a version of the board with a split spacebar conf is coming

[timber nimbus]

Yep it’s been passed on now but it’s still on owlab if they want to make a custom plate option or not for v2 split

[opaque depot]

to me it comes down to "Why go through with the collab if you are immediately going to make something that is not compatible"

[timber nimbus]

Well it’s still fully compatible with the regular to be clear

[opaque depot]

"passing it on" is not doing enough, should've only went through with the collab after the v2 layout was clear so that it could have been included in the product to begin with

[timber nimbus]

and split is still friction fitted very tightly into the case

[opaque depot]

what about the mechanism thingy on the case

does it affect that

[timber nimbus]

Still works. The only change is you swap owlab gasket out for wootings friction fit basically

Since owlabs gasket is specialized to one specific plate it’s not compatible with other plates, but you can still drop the entire v2 split into it and it works with the whole switch mechanism thing still

[opaque depot]

if it works and does not meaningfully make the experience worse then it's not as bad

if it "works" but makes half of the point of the case disappear then it's bad

[timber nimbus]

Yeah it fits very well actually. I posted some photos before from some who tested it

This is comparison of the two, one with owlab gasket and one friction fitted v2

[green shale]

Honestly, that just makes me feel like waiting for the next batch of the OW60 case might not be a great idea either it wasn’t designed to properly support the Wooting 60HE V2 anyway. Even with the regular spacebar module, the new V2 no longer uses screws, it’s all friction fit now for both split and regular versions.

That means if I really want 100% compatibility, I’m basically limited to:
1. The original case,
2. The Alu60 (which is basically the same material as the original),
3. Or the Optimum case.

There’s little to no real choice for end-users who want to stay within Wooting’s ecosystem. And realistically speaking, it’s unlikely that many third-party makers would invest in creating a V2-specific case the module shape is just too unique and not broadly usable outside Wooting. It’s hard to justify the cost.

From my point of view, the regular spacebar module still feels almost identical to the previous version. Right now, I’m honestly seeing this more like an iPhone, iPhone Pro, and iPhone Pro Max situation rather than a truly new V2 product.

At the very least, something like: a newly positioned inner rubber strip, or a subtle back logo engraving of the W “crown” symbol even if not visible from the backplate side would have made it feel like there’s been a clear design evolution.

I’m not saying this to be negative, I understand there are constraints, costs, and challenges involved.
But this is just my perspective as a customer who, even after all this, still ends up buying the prebuilt anyway.

[timber nimbus]

The regular owlab solution is gasket based not screwed in tray mount just fyi

60he v2 module also comes with a swappable foam to change between friction fit and tray mount

[dusty sundial]

The OW60 fully supports the regular spacebar v2.

[timber nimbus]

I think there might be some misunderstanding here regarding mounting Kohe. Most 60% cases are compatible due to gh60 format tray mounting - rarely are 3rd party cases designed to be compatible outside of that because gasket mounts as we’ve seen here create a one off plate solution that isn’t cross compatible

In that regard v2 split pcb is fully compatible with the gh60 standards for friction fit mounting or tray mounting (which are the 2 standard solutions for fitting in gh60 pcb)

So to put it simpler:

• v2 split and regular both fit all the same existing gh60 standards same as before + there will be a swappable foam with the module buyers for those who wish to tray mount still via screws

[green shale]

Hi, may I confirm something?

Does that mean the Wooting 60HE V2 with the regular spacebar can still follow the same old OW60 installation video from Sander, since the dimensions of the PCB (width x length) are exactly the same as V1?

If that’s true, then I might finally let go of the split spacebar idea and go for the regular one and pair it with the OW60 case, using the exact same process as before. Please correct me if I’m misunderstanding this.

I’m really sorry if I seem overly particular. This has been the deepest dive I’ve ever done into keyboard building. I’ve never even disassembled a switch before.

The only keyboard I currently use is a pre-built 80HE, which I plan to pass to my partner once I build the new 60HE V2 with Lekker Tikken switches. I’ll wait for the knob module next year too, as per Wooting’s plan.

Sincerely appreciate everyone’s patience, and I apologize if I’ve caused any inconvenience.

[timber nimbus]

Yes regular spacebar v2 is 100% compatible with the old owlab60 video from sander

It has all the same screw holes and layout so you would be able to buy the v2 regular spacebar module and swap it into the owlab case just same as now with v1

[green shale]

Thank you so much for everything you’ve made things completely clear, both on the keyboard cases and the layout compatibility for regular and split spacebar. I feel much more confident now. It all comes down to the release timeline at this point, and I’m ready to support when the time comes. Thanks again, truly appreciate it!

[short hare]

just a clarify, he's an ambassador, he doesnt work for the company ;)

[storm snow]

Hi I have a question

What are the upgrades that the v2 will have other than polling rate

Im gonna buy pcb

[hearty breach]

#🪛│modding_faq message

[storm snow]

Doesnt seem worth buying if its alot more expensive

Ig ill wait

[hearty breach]

@timber nimbus (sorry for tagging)
but i realized that on the poster u gave, the "normal foam" (not friction fit for wooting 60he V2) is only given for module option? or the prebuilt will receive that also?

[spring stirrup]

Sound/feel will be way nicer compared to 60HE+

[storm snow]

Im gonna buy with like separate case and keycaps either way

And switches

[timber nimbus]

I’m not sure what they decided in the end regarding prebuilt so I didn’t list it until everything is finalized there

I just know the module is supposed to come with it at the least

[hearty breach]

i see,
thanks for the heads-up

[brisk raven]

are there any kvm's that work with wooting

[hushed lantern]

will extras come with the module? im planning on just selling my venom pcb/plate and replacing with the 60he v2

[spring stirrup]

Everything comes with module, except the case, switches and keycaps.

[peak prairie]

Are we almost to launch

[slim mural]

Q4 2025, it's almost August

[peak prairie]

Rip

[slim mural]

yeah :(

[cursive shale]

nahhh

i have my owlab60 ready since sweepstakes

[opaque depot]

am trying to get rid of mine since I don't think I'll be using it after all the v2 seems interesting but realistically I like my 80HE aesthetically too much to build something else for like 800€

[slim mural]

very fair. I will get my split v2 at launch since I got like 3 keycap sets and lots of Geon Raw HE 60g switches, gonna see if I like the Lekker Tikkens better or worse than my Geon Raw HE 60g!

will also try both my Tofu60 Redux Black Anodized and Acrylic, and Holy60 Black Ano and PC versions

Since the announcement of that split spacebar I have been very much obsessed with the idea of daily driving and owning a 60%

[slim mural]

Do the Tikkens have the same exact spring as the Lekker 60 v2? I mean I know they are the same 60g and 4.0mm, but I was wondering if it's the same manufacturing (if that's ok to ask)

[inner tartan]

I can't confirm but I don't think so (I haven't seen the final version of the Tikken's and it's my understanding one of the changes in the final version was the spring).

[timber nimbus]

they do not. They come with a long spring

[slim mural]

I see

[slim mural]

don't 60 v2 springs and Tikken springs have the same spring length though? at least I would imagine because again 4.0mm travel and 60g force springs

[spring stirrup]

60HE v2 will come with Tikkens preinstalled. They have long spring with 42g initial and 54g bottom out force according to Calder

[slim mural]

Oh I see, so it's a new spring

[tropic relic]

https://youtu.be/5vBXhzRdeQ4

[slender plank]

[hearty breach]

quick question, calder mentioned that the problem isn't the case material or way the way of making the case.

that means it won't have the high price increase as we expected on the last video since it's more of a coating problem (it will have some effect on the price but it won't be as high as changing the method on making the case right)

[rotund lotus]

There's not really a great answer that anyone can give to that, price is still a very important factor that is being weighed and balanced

[hearty breach]

alright,
thanks Mark

I just want to make some new price speculation for the betting i have with a friend

[rotund lotus]

Big brain move, fund the new 60HEv2 with gambling on price reveal on Polymarket

[hearty breach]

if i win, i will have to pay only 50% of the keeb price

so at least it's a huge discount for me

[raw herald]

I heard that everyone that has provided free product support here in the Discord is receiving a 60v2 for free anyway 🎉
||I hear voices in my head, though||

[lucid trout]

Polymarket will calder leak stuff on next stream?

[hardy wadi]

look at that silver case 🫦

[hearty breach]

silver looks clean with macbook ngl

i was hoping for the rose gold

[autumn token]

When will v2 be available

[spring stirrup]

Q4 2025

[hardy wadi]

i need a silver 60v2 wrist rest with silver coil cable... pweeease🌹

[rare karma]

Oh we’re at the sweating stage 🤣

[slim mural]

imagine a USB C to C 3.2 8k cable that would look something like this

not this thin but, thicker with a bit more shielding maybe

[hardy wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-gif-23409610

[wooden bluff]

will I be able to order ansi + additional nordic keycaps (new version, with split spacebar), all in one order, on release. (or will like separate keycap products lag behind the release maybe)
I guess I most likely will be able to, because I already see the french new version is added

[rotund lotus]

Updated keycaps with split spacebar compatibility will be available at the time of launch

Most languages of the PBT black and white will see a running change occur before the launch, but the ANSI PBT black specifically will probably sell both the current and the updated version concurrently for a short while

[wooden bluff]

nice, but something else - I wish like an extra backspace key was added (like blank or dotted or something) (for old backspace location), since many would probably use the right spacebar as new backspace.

if there is room in there, just try to add things like this I guess.

[rotund lotus]

That sounds a whole lot like adding cost and waste to 100% of sets for a tiny % of people who both want a very specific style of keycaps and also don't plan to get a custom set

[wooden bluff]

we might need to poll the people that would want to buy split, and use right space as backspace.
🇾 = would want 🇳 = will not

(edit: many probably misunderstood when voting that the extra keycap is for the old backspace location, not for the right space. didn't have this clarification in text above until now)

[jagged delta]

Space as backspace????

i would use it as a macro or something

or instead of pressing 4 for my grenade in CS, i press that key

something useful

[tropic relic]

For split space, so the right spacebar key. It’s the most common way to use split space.

[tropic relic]

Which keycap(s) were added?

Both sets I have include everything already.

[jagged delta]

i can see that being useful if you type long texts, but i have been typing for so long, out of habbit i would hit the normal spot for backspace

[tropic relic]

Yeah, people probably started doing that because to reach backspace most people have to leave their homing keys, so it’s a bit more efficient to have it on the extra spacebar.

[rotund lotus]

You can see which keys on the iso-fr pictures

[tropic relic]

One key?

I don’t remember seeing a 1.25U key with 3 dots on it in the set

Is just that new?

[rotund lotus]

It's three additional keys

[tropic relic]

the 2.25 and 2.75 ones were already included

at least with ansi

[rotund lotus]

These are the inversed versions for people who want to flip them

[tropic relic]

could’ve probably added that key with the 3 dots with the 60HE v2s instead

[tropic relic]

what does this mean?

[rotund lotus]

Some people flip their spacebar upside down

These keys allow the same for the split version

[grim glen]

i do

my gf does as well

[tropic relic]

so if I understand you correctly, the set will include two 2.75u spacebars, and two 2.25u spacebars and the only difference between them is that the little line is higher?!

[grim glen]

it wouldn't be higher but basically printed on the opposite edge

[tropic relic]

lol

a new mold for that is diabolical

[grim glen]

depends on if its insert molded or not

if its an insert you just have a small section you replace

[tropic relic]

if it’s made the same way all the other keycaps are made, then no

[tropic relic]

who in the world would even be bothered by this?

of the already niche few people that flip their spacebars (I know it’s quitte a few).

[rotund lotus]

It's fairly common among people who prefer to not use a wrist rest

[tropic relic]

90% of people 😭😭

well, because of that, I’ma agree with mana that two backspace (space) keys (2.25 and 2.75) should be included too as that is the most common use of split space after all.

[opaque depot]

I would (maybe) but I would not want a keycap for it

like 10% of my keys do what the legends say anyway

[timber nimbus]

From an aesthetics view I’d much rather that key be blank and not labelled

[opaque depot]

same here

a spacebar doesn't say spacebar on it either

[raw herald]

https://www.keychron.com/collections/keycap-for-k10/products/spacebar-esc-enter-key-aluminium-alloy-artisan-keycap?page=8

😉

[tropic relic]

lies! how would you ever know where backspace is if it wasn’t labeled as such?!

nah but it wouldn’t need to be labeled, just three dots would be good

as the line is space

and if they feel the need to make new molds for the few people that flip their spacebars and then also would be bothered by a line being lower, then this isn’t much to ask

😂😂

also there is no fucking way that the people that flip their spacebars would be bothered by misalignment lmfaoooo

or by a slightly dimmer line

💀

[opaque depot]

yeah I honestly find it a little odd to include another cap just for these people since it already looks awful but more stuff is good I suppose so why not

[tropic relic]

there will be people using the wrong spacebar

10000%

they won’t even notice, so it doesn’t matter but it makes no sense at all

[slim mural]

reverse spacebar gang

[tropic relic]

a criminal gang indeed

[slim mural]

[hearty breach]

reverse is nice

[hearty breach]

ngl, less accidental click

[green shale]

Can use with Wooting 60HE V2 Split Spacebar ?

[spring stirrup]

No, USB port is in the middle.

[inner tartan]

No

[vast dagger]

That would be one expensive Wooting

[hardy wadi]

have wooting confirmed what coating gonna be on the 60v2?

hope its not eCoating

[green shale]

Thank you so much

[wooden bluff]

just so it's clear, I meant ofc extra keycap for the old Backspace location. that would be the most "standing out" when swapping.
(alternately can do blank Black and White sets of keycaps, similar to Optimum)
@rotund lotus

I think many misunderstood this when voting

[wooden bluff]

just a pure poll without anything else:

I will buy the split spacebar version, and
I will use one of the split spacebars as backspace - 🇾 or 🇳 - 🟥 (will not buy split)

[tropic relic]

more terrorism.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476873494320119820/1262509451961962588/Aware.gif

[oblique pendant]

It's spreading

[tropic relic]

non-optional too 🥀

dark days for innovation

[oblique pendant]

actually what's this board?

[tropic relic]

AIM1

[wooden bluff]

but including a few extra keycaps - wouldn't you drive up the sales of the split version - since it's already not gonna sell that much I guess.

but "ideal scenario" is this:

Do actual dedicated keycap set for 60% KBs, similar to Optimum set - this way you will also save on the many extra keys the full 100% set has (ofc still OEM).
But then actually include convenient keycaps in this set - like another for the old backspace, and then also maybe backspace legend versions of the split spaces. But also I think many would like to remap the Caps Lock - so include a 1.25 bottom row Caps Lock key - and for the old Caps Lock, include something special or dotted (or blank).
Overall this should drive sales up I guess.

But another also not bad alternative, "easier, more achievable scenario" - just do blank keycap sets similar to Optimum, just in Black and White (they must match the default keycap sets) (ansi + iso combined ofc).

[wooden bluff]

Getting the v2 split (ansi), I'm planning something like this for a nordic iso, gaming-targeted remapping/layout (that also tries to match my Glove80 layout). fits for 'esdf', but also makes 'wasd' better.
Better for gaming + more ergo overall.
Caps Lock bottom left, also Fn2 (ofc some other key could be there instead if you need it for gaming (where you chat and don't want Caps to trigger)).
A bit better positions for both Shift, mostly for typing, but also for gaming, especially with 'esdf' (especially compared with small ISO Shift).
Better position and size for Ctrl when gaming (and a bit in general).
Enter in a nice middle spot, but maybe possible to misclick, and maybe has some issues with some games - so can also just be remapped instead of ´ * above new R-Shift (and ´ * bound together with < >, and < > being on the Fn layer (since it's used less)).
Backspace on the right spacebar, and Del key on its old spot.

[slim mural]

how do you create these diagrams

[wooden bluff]

just with keyboard-layout-editor.com (also some external characters, and some invisible character+space to get better padding on couple keys)

[slim mural]

Thanks :)

[oblique pendant]

This looks nice.

[slim mural]

Does anyone know the exact type of screws that are used for the 60HE v2 for compatible GH60 mounting, Plate to PCB mounting, and stabilizer screws? I was wondering because I wanted to try swapping them for torx screws

[tropic relic]

M2x4

[slim mural]

are all of them M2x4?

[tropic relic]

I think so

maybe the case screws M2x6 but you’re fine with using M2x4 there as well

[slim mural]

reason I was thinking of doing that is because I want to reduce the chance of stripping and it just keeps happening

[tropic relic]

torx is nice

[slim mural]

and I have an ifixit kit so I can just use the torx equivalent

[tropic relic]

check if you have the right bitsize

iirc for m2 it was T5

[slim mural]

I have a wide amount of torx bits

[tropic relic]

(can differ per screw but most use that bit)

[slim mural]

i don't remember what they were called but yeah

[tropic relic]

you’re using a stock plate btw?

[slim mural]

what do the 2 and 4 stand for for the screw name?

PC plate for 60HE+

[tropic relic]

The 2 in M2 is for the thread diameter and the 4 is the length

[slim mural]

wbu what plate?

[tropic relic]

nah I was asking cause with 3rd party plates you screw them from the top and bottom

but it’s difficult to find M2 flat heads and button heads that use the same size torx bit for some reason

[slim mural]

a friend of mine works with manufacturing certain hardware, so he can help me find vendors :)

[tropic relic]

you’re fine with just button head screws

should be easy to find and cheap

[slim mural]

I'm also waiting for aftermarket 60HE v2 split plates for other materials on KBDfans

but that may not happen until 2026

[tropic relic]

you can get custom ones already if you’d want to

if you do end up getting one from KBD, would you want to use torx screws with that as well?

[slim mural]

I also have regular 6.25u black and gold FR4 abd CF plates

[slim mural]

likely yes

[tropic relic]

then you’d need some M2x3 button head and M2x3 flat heads as well.

[slim mural]

is it 3mm for how deep the threading goes, or does it include the screw head height too

also I intend on using silicone for in between the plate and PCBA

So I will end up buying the stock 60HE v2 split ANSI in black

[tropic relic]

for flat heads, the length always includes the head but for button heads for example, the length is just the thread, so the head is excluded.

[tropic relic]

friction fit pad you mean?

[slim mural]

ye

specifically friction fit pad, it's so satisfying

[rare karma]

I think 4 makes it complete. 3 is an odd number. ( Reference look at the car exhaust now days. more = better according to the marketing department )

[gaunt remnant]

will the new switches that come with the 60hev2 be better than the Owlab Ti He?

[tepid copper]

"Be better" is relative and not many people have tested them since they are not released

[slim mural]

Imagine the Raptor HE v2s

i mean Wooting seems to already have talked to Geon before, since they have Raw HEs in stock

to me it makes sense

but given how many ppl are glazing the Owlab Ti HE switches, it wouldn't be a surprise

they are really good switches

[hardy wadi]

you no like owlabs?

🦉

[slim mural]

no I would imagine they are great, I just alrwady have the Raw HE switches

and i am really satisfied with them

[hardy wadi]

i prefer the sound of geon raws

but i noticed the stem wobble in comp games

so i like how owlabs have less stem wobble

[slim mural]

i couldn't notice a lot of stem wobble in many switches, mech or HE when playing geometry dash

[hardy wadi]

yeah its not a lot of stem wobble

[burnt shale]

and then there were raptors

[hardy wadi]

just my batch had that issue

[hardy wadi]

baptors b2

[burnt shale]

mogging box stem switches and 45g spring, they are going to be HAAAAAAAAAAAWT

[slim mural]

the only problems i have with the Raptor v2 HE are

• i don't like colored switches that much
• no 60g stock option

[hardy wadi]

yeah i like how the tikken is clear and grey

with a hint of green 🐉

[slim mural]

i'm pumoed for the tikkens

i've started to like using L60 v2s again for GD

so if anything, the Tikkens may be better for me?

[spring stirrup]

Tikkens will be miles better than Lekker v2

[slim mural]

hyping me up for the transition eh?

[spring stirrup]

No just saying

[slim mural]

its cool, im already excited!

[hardy wadi]

theres no confirm weight for tikkens right?

[timber nimbus]

long spring, 55ish bottom out is what's been said by calder so far

[spring stirrup]

~42/55g

[hardy wadi]

ty both

[slim mural]

so almost the same as the Wooting x KOM TTC spring it seems

[spring stirrup]

Yeah and spring will be long

[slim mural]

long boi, i wonder how long

Also I kinda forgot what the formula was for compressing springs

I know Hooke's law is the opposite, which is the ½kx²

[limber vale]

i just hope the us tarriff situation wont affect prices that much for non US customers like me

[opaque depot]

if ya not in the US then there's no change

[raw herald]

Gimme that split, people. I wanna know if it's cool.

[rotund lotus]

Oh it's cool

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-jake-peralta-no-doubt-cool-gif-17027623

[scenic heron]

is there anywhere else that sells the optimum keycaps? I dont want to pay 25$ shipping

[candid solar]

No

[scenic heron]

alr lil twin💔

[slim mural]

I find it funny the 60HE v2 split spacebar PNG Filename on the front of the 60HE v2 page, is called 60HE v2 Hero

idk if that is an identifier name for split spacebar or it was a placeholder name

[dusty sundial]

AI: A hero banner is a large, prominent visual element, typically an image or video, displayed at the top of a website's homepage.

[slim mural]

genius

[tropic relic]

HAHAHA

[oblique pendant]

lmao

[tropic relic]

The pot calling the kettle black 😭

One of Sikakeyb’s most original designs:

[hearty breach]

don't forget their hm80 looks like...

[tropic relic]

feels… familiar 😉

[spring stirrup]

Bruh

[opaque depot]

bruh they are just another shameless clone company and they have the nerve to post that like they even invented split space