🌟│wooting80he

[blissful spindle]

there's no aftermarket case yet for 80he no?

[sterile dagger]

Didn’t try that, maybe!

[autumn yacht]

True I didn’t think about that

[jade widget]

there's not aftermarket cases so they make it so you have to buy one, you can probably ask to remove it if you asked customer support

[sterile dagger]

You can peek how it looks in the yt video

[sterile dagger]

If anything I might want an extra case lol

[autumn yacht]

I want white one but I don’t wanna pay extra 🥲

[sterile dagger]

Oh they have the zinc cases in shop by itself

[blissful spindle]

could go plastic for now and buy aftermarket cases later, idk how long it would take tho

[autumn yacht]

true true

no stress

[sterile dagger]

I gotta stop looking here or I’ll end up buying more cases

[autumn yacht]

What do we think

It’s kinda idk I might get black one

[blissful spindle]

i personally hate the transparency from that case but if you like it , it's fine

[sterile dagger]

If I was going for a nostalgic retro gaming theme then that’d be it

It just reminds me of those clear plastic controllers for gamecube

[autumn yacht]

I bought black

Okay I’m gonna promise myself not to touch the order again I did this on the 60HE too

[sterile dagger]

Good luck

[autumn yacht]

Just gonna wait patiently

[sterile dagger]

What batch are you in?

[autumn yacht]

EU brug, mid September

I got my 60HE so it’s fine haha

[sterile dagger]

That got delayed to October

I think some eta’s aren’t updated yet on the website

But welcome to the patience building exercise

[ebon lodge]

lol, stupid insane AI, asked it some out of the box ways to improve keyboard performance, it suggested Krtox performance lubricants for the switches, curious, I looked them up

Nice,
"Performance Lubricants for Out-of-This-World Applications

Krytox™ performance lubricants are the lubricants of choice for the demanding conditions that spacecraft must endure. Even when exposed to extreme high and low temperatures, extreme pressure, and harsh environments, these high-performance greases and oils deliver consistent, superior, and extended performance.

Perfluoropolyether- (PFPE-) based oils and greases provide exceptional properties for space and satellite applications, including:

Property retention over a wide temperature range: -70 to 399 °C (-100 to 750 °F)
Stable physical properties over time
Resistance to shock, vibration, heat, pressure, and caustic chemicals found in rocket fuels and oxidizers
Resistance to radiation
Resistance to vapor loss in a vacuum during high altitude, orbit, or deep space flight

With new additives for future challenges, Krytox™ greases and oils deliver exceptional performance under the extreme conditions of space.

Space and satellite applications include:

Bearings
    High-speed bearings
    Synchronous motor bearings in gyroscopes
    Thrust and vector control bearings
Seals used in valves and pumps
Space suit joints and articulation points
O-rings used in engines and hydraulic systems
Oxygen-breathing systems
    Vehicle and space suit valve and pump-packing seals
    Mechanical seals and connectors
Rocket engine assemblies
    Liquid-fueled turbines
    Gimbals
    Pumps
    Reduction gears
    Valves with fuel/oxidizer exposure
    Threaded fasteners
    Metal connectors
Valve seals and threads"

My lube beats your lube bruz

[jade widget]

krytox 205g0 is what pretty much everyone uses to lube switches

it is good stuff

[valid comet]

AI is an advertiser, tries to sell anything to the consumer instead of actually being helpful. Where is the engineering talk

[ebon lodge]

hmm, actually Krytox is used, interesting

[shy harbor]

is this the cool channel

[bold compass]

Will there be black PC plate for 80 HE?

[bold compass]

I would like to buy one if it’s available

[ebon lodge]

Hmmm...

80HE, Raw, with Teamwolf Stainless keycaps + silver cable

[wind tiger]

The gamecube didn't have those

[dreamy yarrow]

I want to know if there is a discount code for 80HE PCB? Similar to 60HE PCB

[buoyant solstice]

That discount was contingent on having already bought a regular 60HE.

But no, no 80HE discounts beyond what we're already discounting during its checkout.

[drifting shuttle]

my tick rate apparently was set to 30 this whole time, what's the best one to pick for most games?

[tidal prawn]

Tick rate? In what? Usually when I hear tick rate it means server update rate. Nothing to directly do with users themselves that you can adjust

[valid comet]

Try 60 or no tick rate, see what feels best

[slim lotus]

Is the features of 80he coming to 60he+?

[low token]

8khz is not coming

[slim lotus]

When will 80he be released?

[buoyant solstice]

Depends on when you order.

First batch is currently expected to ship out September. New orders placed now in October.

[slim lotus]

I just ordered 60he+ n didn’t now about 80he. Is it possible to regret it n order 80he instead?

[pseudo parrot]

if you’re able to place the order on hold in the wooting hub do that and then use the contact us button also in the hub, and request a cancellation

if you can’t hold it, you can return the 60he up to you

[arctic ice]

Only 4 weeks behind, was expecting a longer delay this is some 🔥 newS

[slim lotus]

Where to find that?

[pseudo parrot]

https://hub.wooting.io/
click on the order theres a place on hold button

create an account with the email used to order if you havent

[slim lotus]

Thanx

[pseudo parrot]

no problem

[mental kiln]

Hello. I am Japanese, so my English may be poor. Sorry.
I would like to know the status of your products, please give me the URL.

sry my products

[nova nexus]

This is it

[mental kiln]

thx bro

[nova nexus]

No problem

[mental kiln]

Confirmed. Thank you.

[autumn yacht]

Should’ve ordered the first batch 😭

[blissful spindle]

don't think about the order and time is gonna fly fast lol

i'm still deciding on case color, idk which one would fit with most keycaps sets/colors

[knotty crater]

is it fine if the order google maps pin is a little off from my location even though i put the correct adress

[blissful spindle]

it's fine i think, they'll send to the carrier/courrier the address you entered

[wanton quarry]

isnt 80he coming like mid september? like it would get delivered

[buoyant solstice]

October if you haven't ordered yet.,

[fiery reef]

If you're shipping to NA, am I still suppose to get the EU batch?

[buoyant solstice]

US has its own warehouse. Canada and Mexico are from EU

[fiery reef]

ohh, thx

[valid comet]

I dont think youd regret either as long as you like the 60% layout

[vapid torrent]

I have a friend who wants me to build this for them. Last time it was the 60he I messed with and it was a blast. Looking forward to working with the 80

[valid comet]

No wonder why the Canadian ETA is sooner than the US ETA

[inland geyser]

can i still make changes to my 80he module order even if its in the mass production stage

[jolly tangle]

yes just send an email to [e-mail]

[inland geyser]

already did thanks for letting me know

[brazen hill]

is there any walnut keycaps that'll fit the 80he?

[shy harbor]

do you guys recommend me buy anything more? does all of the foam and stuff come included? Not to sure what i might potentially need to buy

[lime falcon]

thats all you need

[midnight iron]

Wristrest if you use one is only thing left really

[shy harbor]

nahhhhh

[blissful spindle]

wait does modular come with cable?

[fallen epoch]

Yes

[blissful spindle]

ah so the cable option is just for if you want a coiled cable then

[buoyant solstice]

Specifically the case comes with the cable.

[valid comet]

genuine walnut?

i dont think genuine walnut or wood will be durable enough

[remote moss]

[fringe hound]

I have buy it in April. When it will be shipping.

[oak jungle]

oct maybe ?

[upper garden]

check your wooting io hub

for some people its different

it tells you when its coming if you sign in

[fringe hound]

I saw that.

[upper garden]

you really should buy a wrist rest if you dont really have one. currently im using a wood one for my 60% kb

[upper garden]

my apologies i didnt see the rest of the convo i just woke up recently and drinking my coffee

[fringe hound]

I thought it will be still shipping on late July.

[brazen hill]

I can take fake ones as well

[upper garden]

yeah same but it got delayed

i mean by one month isnt too bad

[snow turret]

I’m going to be at college, ima have to drive back for it haha ;-;

[shy harbor]

I’m so used to using my keyboard like this since 2017 lol

@upper garden

[upper garden]

hell yeah mine is from 2019 lool. Your kb is very nice

[low token]

It is clean

[upper garden]

is the new trend for kb keycaps not to have backlit ones?

[blissful spindle]

and now i wait :D

[shy harbor]

Huge w

[upper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/fangirl-excited-jumping-anime-girl-gif-5102167

[shy harbor]

We’ve got the same switches, case, and keycaps on the way

[upper garden]

damn i wish i could get a zinic alloy case but cad sucks

[shy harbor]

What if you use a Mail delivery service?

I’ve heard people can get whatever is available in the us

[upper garden]

wdym by that like using fedex and ups or?

i rarely buy things from usa

[shy harbor]

Nah. Let me try to find something. But you can have it delivered to a middleman and they can ship it to you

[low token]

Na batch is only for us

[blissful spindle]

yeah foreign purchases are expensive with cad

[upper garden]

just anything with cad sucks

even trying to purchase stuff in canada sucks

monopoly money going down hill

ever since they made the money plastic

[low token]

Well living on canada is skill issue

[upper garden]

thats true but the usa aint that much better both countries have their pros and cons

tbh, im trying to live in europe

love it over there

[low token]

Where

[upper garden]

well been to england when i was young so i dont remember that too much, been to portugal multiple times and loved it over there. I would like to visit germany and possibly live there

[blissful spindle]

wouldn't it be better for NA batch to include canada too?

[upper garden]

im part of the eu kampeon batch or something like that for 80he

[shy harbor]

@upper garden https://www.savvynewcanadians.com/best-package-forwarding-service-from-us-to-canada/#h-shipito

[upper garden]

thank you i'll look into that

[low token]

No na batch is us only

[upper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-academia-boku-no-hero-academia-anime-mha-bnha-gif-8084261017707817481

[low token]

Germany has to high crime rate

[shy harbor]

i manage a amazon account. we have customers use services similar to this occasionally

that's how i know

[upper garden]

it does? i didnt know this

[upper garden]

if i can avoid canada high taxes i'll do it that service too

[low token]

Well if you want safe country i can recommed Poland

[upper garden]

i heard they dont let in a lot of immigrants in there and the language is hard to speak

[low token]

If you get there legal way you are fine

I think canadians can visit visa free for 90d

[upper garden]

honestly man whatever country i can get good weather, good food, and not everything be so expensive, im going to move there

[low token]

I can explain you details in dms

[upper garden]

i'll look into that, i mean lmfao ima get there the legal way

[low token]

Without getting political

[upper garden]

im pretty sure canada/ other countries only offer those visa for certain age groups

[summer fiber]

Why do you not have all the discounts?

[blissful spindle]

it's not shown on that page but don't worry i have the discounts

[summer fiber]

Alr

[sleek pelican]

uk isnt too great for these factors :^)

not terrible, but theres better

[dark cargo]

Spending 500+ for a keyboard is crazy

[sleek pelican]

if you got medical conditions the nhs is good

[jolly tangle]

yes tony!

[upper garden]

nhs?

[sleek pelican]

national health service

[shy harbor]

that's not 500 tho

[blissful spindle]

honestly that metal case bumped the total very high

[shy harbor]

barely lol

[dark cargo]

So it’s 500

lol

[shy harbor]

Did you ever hear about girl math?

[dark cargo]

Nope

[blissful spindle]

473 without shipping and taxes

[dark cargo]

Then you add shipping and taxes

😉

[blissful spindle]

canada moment

[dark cargo]

13%

Yikes

[blissful spindle]

15% actually, that's even worse

[shy harbor]

wait

youre paying so much more

[dark cargo]

550 is insaneeeee

[blissful spindle]

i think it's showing in CAD? i'd need another canadian to show me

[shy harbor]

this feels unfair lol

[oak jungle]

finally two more days for oct

[dark cargo]

Canadian currency value when countries stop using oil 📉

[shy harbor]

drill baby drill

[dark cargo]

That must suck

America baby!

Our dollar is strong!

[blissful spindle]

indeed everything is expensive

[dark cargo]

Everything be going up but them salaries :/

My brother lives in Canada across the border and to get cheaper stuff he orders in American websites and I drive it to him

[blissful spindle]

luckily i don't have any bills to pay

[shy harbor]

would anyone say there's a real difference with rapid trigger?

[summer fiber]

Yes

[valid comet]

extremely huge difference

I wouldnt even call it a buzzword

[shy harbor]

funny enough, i was about to buy the 60he+ until i saw they had a new one on the way
the rappy snappy feature sold me. I believe this is something unique to the 80he

[valid comet]

no the Two HE and 60HE+ and the UwU will have it too

[shy harbor]

w

It’s going to be tough to wait until October but totally worth it

[shrewd saddle]

you could buy a 60he and have it in a few weeks and use rappy snappy when software update comes 😄

[shy harbor]

true lol, i'll be patient though. cancelling orders is proably a pain on their end

[blissful spindle]

If you need function keys and home cluster keys, keep it

[valid comet]

either way, wooting is basically an investment

last kb you probably need

[dusky tiger]

I'll probably remap page up and page down keys to be volume buttons

[faint sparrow]

may I ask you the estimate delivery? Is it the right place to direct this questions?

[radiant anvil]

check on wooting in your orders

[faint sparrow]

thank you guys

[radiant anvil]

does some one have a good photo regarding the white case zinc?

[urban ice]

Hi, i'm thinking of getting the gateron jade instead of the lekker. But I'm a bit scare to build the wooting by my self. Is that safe or do I need some skills ?

[radiant anvil]

In my honest opinion i think is very hard to fuck up in building a keyboard but idk

I dont think you need some skills just a little logic and time and you get it. Because if it was so hard i dont think wooting would sell module keyboards

[oak jungle]

WATCH AND LEARN SIMPLE

[quartz trellis]

honestly, if you're able to build a PC you're able to build a keyboard

[blissful spindle]

there's probably going to be a video out demonstrating how to build it

[jade widget]

It's easier then building a pc

[jade widget]

Late to the party

[quartz trellis]

the best always comes at the end

[dark cargo]

Is there any universe where the NA shipment comes earlier 😓

[low token]

No. You are last

[sterile dagger]

Why is your CAD so much different

[blissful spindle]

ah i went modular

[sterile dagger]

Oh wtf you get that much off for keycaps just cause you went modular?

[blissful spindle]

didn't wanna get l60

[sterile dagger]

You basically got a discount on everything

[blissful spindle]

oh you right, 26.33$ cheaper

[valid comet]

canadian dollars have no worth

it sucks :(

[sterile dagger]

Just slightly less fake than monopoly money

[jade widget]

Fake money club

[valid comet]

you got two?

[sterile dagger]

That’s more fake than our maple syrup money!

[jade widget]

Flatmate got one too

[grave forge]

Christ my order was a measly 420nzd, thats wild 💀

[grave forge]

That’s roughhh

[jade widget]

Saving money overall we splitting the shipping cost

[valid comet]

did the same with my Q1 HE but thats also because I fifnt have a credit card

[jade widget]

Getting shit shipped to NZ is brutal

[valid comet]

first credit card purchase was the 80HE

[grave forge]

Not wrong I was looking at a pre workout the other day and seen that the shipping cost was more that the product itself 💀

[wind hollow]

are there any cases that are compatible with the 80he thats not from wooting?

[valid comet]

not atm that I can think of

[wind hollow]

FUCK

[valid comet]

why? just get pcr and wait for them to hand the dimensions to other case makers

[wind hollow]

let me wait like a whole year mb

o7

[valid comet]

i mean I personally like the black zinc case a lot but maybe its just my inner minimalist talking, also I get black everything, also because it directly supports wooting which is super nice lol

[wind hollow]

I want an orange case but i couldnt find any

https://www.arcshopus.com/products/guilty-gear-strive-official-custom-keycap-set-may something to match this lmao

[valid comet]

you could get a raw case and custom paint it with orange or request 3rd parties to do that for you

[wind hollow]

that cannot be cheap

[valid comet]

likely not

[wind hollow]

tryna keep this whole thing like under $500

[valid comet]

custom jobs arent cheap

[wind hollow]

yep :)

[pale mortar]

Could always start with the white and see how you get on with it

[wind hollow]

yeah im thinking of an order update

[simple saffron]

totsugeki 🐬

[wind hollow]

[valid comet]

just remember that white isnt cream

the caps looked cream to me

[wind hollow]

yeah its fucking white as hell bruh

[valid comet]

i think that was the point

[wind hollow]

it hurts to look at the preview on my screen lmao

[valid comet]

but nevertheless I hope it works out for the best

Black is the most neutral color so it might just work

[pale mortar]

Yeah I just turned off night shift on my phone Yeahh I might take my answer back on white 😂

[wind hollow]

LOL

[pale mortar]

I’m torn on my purchase as it’s whether to go module and l45v2 or just bite the bullet of the lazy way and do l60v2 to start so you’re a lot further along than me

[lime aspen]

Just get jades

[sterile dagger]

Could get the spring pack of l45 with the l60 switches

[sterile dagger]

Or this

[wind hollow]

I seriously dont understand why anyone would run the 60 over the 45

dont the 60 switches just straight up rattle more?

[sterile dagger]

The jades sound amazing, even in the wooting update video that compared all 3

[wind hollow]

me when i mistype

[sterile dagger]

They said there’s tighter clearances for the v2s so less stem wobble

[simple saffron]

look, I'll run the lekkers cuz I don't want to immediately spend 400 bucks on a keeb that I don't even have for another month

[wind hollow]

oh thank god. the 60s sounded awful.

[lime aspen]

Probably sound a bit less chattery from that, otherwise jades still will sound better

[pale mortar]

Thanks for the advice all helps me get my purchase on a bit further 😅

[wind hollow]

I typed it wrong

I meant why run the 60 over* the 45s

[simple saffron]

good thing I chose the l45s as my free switches stuff

cuz I had no idea the 45s would have any difference besides it just needing less force to actuate

[sterile dagger]

https://youtu.be/cqSAnsX7QgA?si=exh0iWOO3EsNyHbq 5:15-5:30 is around when they show the switch sounds v2 and jades

[valid comet]

just get the lekkers they really arent bad switches

even from an acousic pov they arent bad

maybe im also biased because I like having the full 4.0mm travel too

[sterile dagger]

I heard the jades on some 60HEs and they sound so good so I pulled the trigger, the lekkers are still coming since I went prebuilt so I’ll try them out

Won’t know for sure until we get hands on with the v2s and jades in the gasket mount 80HE

[blissful spindle]

i went with the l45 solely because of the price cut. i'll get the jades later if i'm unhappy or wanna try new things

[pale mortar]

Yeah I think I’m going to go prebuilt with the 60s and worse case if I’m unhappy I can get jades later on

[sterile dagger]

That seems to be the common trend

[wind hollow]

https://tomocaps.com/collections/shop/products/timeless?variant=44040290467993

these keycaps kinda go hard with the balck 80 no?

[simple saffron]

ye

but it's not may

so no totsugeki

[sonic kindle]

This one's for mansen would wooting ever consider making a wireless kb tbh the wire is a small price to pay for all you get with wooting but a wireless would look more clean on my desk?

[simple saffron]

in the faq they say they'll look into making a wireless wooting if lots of people want one, but I'd imagine it would bring all sorts of complications so I don't think there will be a wireless wooting in the near future

[low token]

It was already adressed. Shipping batteries is hassle and if they would make wireless keeb it would last 1d or less. So thats not how they want it for now

[rustic edge]

can't wait :D

[hushed sphinx]

Excited c:

[wind hollow]

if you really dont like the wire specifically you could just make it bluetooth on your own. you would need a wireless usb hub and make your computer receive the signal (theres multiple ways to do that).

oh and a battery

it would probably be less lossy than a bluetooth signal too.

[silent comet]

Does anyone know if we have any pictures of the finalized raw case or is the newest youtube video the best look we have at it?

[low token]

@wind hollow

So yeah

Basicly it is not worth for them

[wind hollow]

im talking to dan

im saying he can just make it

[low token]

On last video

[wind hollow]

a bt module would also work, its very easy

like 5 hours of work

I still dont understand why anyone would want a wireless wooting tho. the entire point is the low latency and bluetooth automatically makes it so your inputs are high latency

[low token]

Because no cables better

[cosmic dome]

Why not have both tho

You could have the option to plug it in for low latency when you need it

and wireless for those less latency requiring moments

[wind hollow]

So you want them to design one that can do both right? The ones with an off and on switch?

[cosmic dome]

I wouldn't use it but I can see the market for it

[wind hollow]

The market for that product is so small

It's practically non existent

And hundreds of thousands would have to go to rnd

[cosmic dome]

How hard it is to pull off and how little exist don't have anything to do with the need

there is a market for it and people do buy them

if it's worth it for wooting is a different question but it would be a positive thing

[wind hollow]

The demand for the product is so insanely small bro

[cosmic dome]

according to what data?

[wind hollow]

Gotta go to dinner

My birthday :3

[low token]

@jolly tangle can you answer @cosmic dome why wooting is not going wireless pls

[cosmic dome]

I don't need an answer as to why wooting isn't going wireless I mean financially there's plenty of reasons they wouldn't

I was only pointing out that wireless on a keyboard isn't a useless function or niche market there are uses and people that use it

[low token]

So basicly calder said he sensors combined with led lights in keeb = low battery life. So it is pointless for them to make product that you have to charge every day.

[cosmic dome]

the logitech g915 which is currently the best selling wireless keyboard to my knowledge is only a 30 hour battery life at best on 100% brightness

so that's pretty normal for wireless keyboards

[low token]

Does it have he sensors?

No

[lime falcon]

if wooting was wireless it would last an hour i think because of he sensors

lol

[cosmic dome]

I'm not sure the difference but

[lime falcon]

wireless keyboard is pointless

[cosmic dome]

The apex pro wireless uses magnets and sensors with the same gateron switches (I believe)

and has 37 hours of battery life

Please correct me if i'm wrong though my knowledge of that keyboard is a bit spotty

It's not that it isn't possible it's just not worth it for wooting

[lime falcon]

correct

also majority of wooting owners im pretty sure doesnt care if there is cable

[cosmic dome]

analog is pointless for games like valorant and cs as well but it has a market and a purpose

I don't personally use wireless keyboards but I know people that do

their uses cases are very different than most for sure but outside of competitive games there is a use depending on your setup

[lime falcon]

what use

[cosmic dome]

Wireless keyboards have functions that make it easy to swap it between devices especially in travel, there are professional work environments, some use it in space/driving sim setups to reduce wires. Mostly in cases where wire length is a problem or for people who travel with it.

you'd be surprised how many people hate wires

wireless serves no purpose in a competitive environment on the wooting for sure

[jade widget]

Wooting said they wouldn't bother doing it unless they could get 2+ weeks of battery life

[cosmic dome]

the function serves more of a purpose in making it more universal

yeah and I mean that's fair

gaming mice don't get that long either though

[jade widget]

Because if you have to plug your keyboard in every 2 days what's the point

[lime falcon]

using a wired mouse isnt comfortable to use lmao dont compare it to a keyboard

[cosmic dome]

some of the most popular gaming mice in existence have 90-100 hours battery life it only lasts longer because of auto shutoffs when inactive

[jade widget]

Also with 8khz expect the battery life to be basically non existant

[cosmic dome]

i'm not comparing it to a keyboard i'm saying that having to charge it every few days isn't a valid argument

because you have to do that with your mouse

8khz wouldn't be on in a wireless enviroment

nor would tachyon

[jade widget]

Yeah but wireless has benefits on a mouse

Keyboard provides no benefit

Apart from "looks clean" to some people

[cosmic dome]

a mouse bungee rids the need of wireless on a mouse

so technically it could be argued to not serve a purpose

[lime falcon]

smh

[cosmic dome]

it's what people did for a very long time

but again the argument I was trying to make wasn't "Hey look at wireless mice!"

way different thing

my argument was that you have to plug your wireless mouse in every few days as well

[jade widget]

Wireless mice were only not done because the technology hadn't reached a point where it could be done

Wireless keyboards are a meme

[cosmic dome]

I listed reasons for the use cases

Its convenience

Performance wise it serves no purpose

[jade widget]

Having to plug it in eliminates all convenience and in fact makes it more inconvenient

[cosmic dome]

Why get a wireless mouse then?

[jade widget]

no drag

[cosmic dome]

that's what a mouse bungee is for and also convience past that

[lime falcon]

dude

[jade widget]

Mouse bungee ain't eliminating all drag bad faith arguement

[cosmic dome]

mouse drag isn't changing the perfomance of your mouse though

[lime falcon]

you used mouse bungee and you saw no difference?

[cosmic dome]

have you used a mouse with ultra light cables?

[jade widget]

I have

[cosmic dome]

it's insanely light

[lime falcon]

yes and i dont like them at all wireless is superior

not comparable

[cosmic dome]

if you have cable drag on that to the point of messing with your performance you're being picky for the same reason people who want wireless keyboards are being picky for convenience of plugging it in

30 hours of wireless and having to plug it in would be better for those cases I listed than having it plugged in 100% of the time I don't see how there's any inconvenience there

[glad fable]

I like wired mice better 🤷‍♂️

[jade widget]

You haven't provided any reasons for it being convenient

[cosmic dome]

I did

[cosmic dome]

Many people I know who travel for a living prefer wireless keyboards

there are at home enviroments it provides use in as well

[lime falcon]

you move your mouse, you dont move a keyboard. wireless is comfort, you dont feel that your cables moves while youre playing a competitive game, personally i hate when cable moves when i move my mouse it messes my aim and i hate the feel of it

[jade widget]

Yeah and those people probably don't need an enthusiast gaming keyboard for that

[cosmic dome]

you hate the feel of it though that's a preference

a convience

not everyone cares about it

the same reason you don't care about wireless on a kb because it doesn't mess with your use cases

the wooting has great software for changing keys around and macro functionality that are really good for work enviroments as well

wireless wouldn't be used for competitive environments obviously

but if you could have one keyboard that does it all for you in that situation it'd be far better to have that than multiple keyboards

[lime falcon]

those people will buy other keyboard and not wooting

[cosmic dome]

other keyboards don't have quite the same level of control or ease of use but that is true yes

but they are having to buy another keyboard to make up for a feature that the wooting does not have

[jade widget]

What you mean any keyboard with VIA has the same level of control

[cosmic dome]

But again you're talking about spending money on another keyboard versus having one that has a switch you could toggle between

[low token]

You are going back again

[cosmic dome]

You switched tracks to talking about alternatives people could do instead of against the use cases I listed

[low token]

Get to point finally

[cosmic dome]

the only point I was trying to make from the start is that even if it may not be worth it for the wooting to do there are use cases for wireless keyboards

they're used more frequently than you would think outside of gaming

[low token]

Ok for example

Also if you buy wooting for work, you also play games

[lime falcon]

if wooting made wireless it will be even more expensive, battery wont be long, people wont buy it

[cosmic dome]

the battery would be close to what a lot of wireless mice are if you use the apex pro wireless as an example

[low token]

Wooting is already expensive enough

[cosmic dome]

40ish hours

[lime falcon]

youre still talking about mouse

are you serious

[low token]

No japierdole

[cosmic dome]

I'm talking about the mouse because the argument is that battery life and having to plug it in is troublesome but everyone does that with their mouse so it's not something you aren't already doing.

[lime falcon]

yes i think its worth it to plug your gaming mouse for 30 minutes to use it comfortably for days

but wireless keyboard is useless

[cosmic dome]

and people who use wireless keyboards think it's worth it to plug it in

what's your point

[lime falcon]

youre asking me whats my point ?

aight buddy

[blissful spindle]

i don't see the point in wireless keyboards, it's stationnary, doesn't move at all

[jade widget]

I have a wireless keyboard in fact I'm using one right now guess what, it's plugged in like it always is

[cosmic dome]

You haven't given me one valid argument to any of the reasons I listed that people use wireless keyboards for and you disagree with it just because you don't travel or use it for the same convience reasons they do

some people don't see the point in buying a wireless mouse does that mean they aren't worth it for those of us that prefer them lol?

[jade widget]

There are options for you these options just aren't wooting keyboards

Just like there are wired mice still

[cosmic dome]

yeah but if you can have one that can do both that's pretty cool

[low token]

If you want wireless wooting. Invent better batteries

[jade widget]

Yeah but for the reasons we are saying it ain't happening

[cosmic dome]

wireless for travel/work and plug it in then game with the wire when you're setup properly and gaming

[glad fable]

A wireless wooting would very much have more input latency

[cosmic dome]

that doesn't matter as it's not being used for competitive gaming

there are wireless keyboards sold and made

gaming ones at that

[simple saffron]

getting a wooting and not using it for anything where increased latency would matter?

hmmmm

[cosmic dome]

I'm not starting this conversation again lol go read up if you want to catch up

[pastel hare]

im doing that

[cosmic dome]

not everyone buys a keyboard to use for competitive play 100% of the time

[simple saffron]

so you don't play any multiplayer game or rythm game?

[pastel hare]

i dont game at all anymor but my brothers 60he sounds so fire

[cosmic dome]

even if he does

[pastel hare]

not since 2020

[cosmic dome]

he doesn't play that 100% of his every existing moment in life

he has a job and the convience matters

[simple saffron]

oh damn

[low token]

1. Wooting dosent want to ship batteries because it is pain in the ass.
2. Battery life would be so fucking low you would be required to have cable plugged in 24/7

[simple saffron]

but why get a wooting then? I've heard people complain that hall effect switches kinda have a bad sound

[cosmic dome]

the apex pro reaches battery life of around 40 hours

[lime falcon]

he knows that but keeps talking for an hour already

[cosmic dome]

as long as they hit near that it would be competitive to other wireless gaming keyboards

[simple saffron]

like cherry mx will bring better sound stuff so there's no reason to go hall effect with a wooting keyboard

[cosmic dome]

they don't have to break records it just has to be competitive to other keyboards doing the same thing

[low token]

No japierdole. Jesteś jakiś przyjebany czy co

[pastel hare]

wooting keyboards look premium as fuck

[lime falcon]

lmao

[pastel hare]

sound and look nice

80he ghost looks so fire

[jade widget]

All I'm saying is wooting has been asked about this already and the answer is until they get to a point where battery life is 2+ weeks without having to plug in they don't see the point in doing it

[simple saffron]

still kinda feels wasted if the wooting is not getting used for any sort of game

[lime falcon]

how many people do you think travels with a gaming keyboard be honest

[cosmic dome]

a few amount of my coworkers do so we can game while on the road

[sterile dagger]

I take mine with my laptop when I travel

[cosmic dome]

until laptops get rapid trigger it's nice

[sterile dagger]

Cause fuck using a laptop keyboard

[cosmic dome]

yeah

[simple saffron]

laptop keyboards are yuck

[cosmic dome]

wireless doesn't stop you from doing that but again travel and work make it REALLY convenient to use between devices and in work environments

the other reasons I listed involve more with cable management in racing/space sim setups or in cases of people who are using TVs for browsing/casual gaming

all the reasons are indeed casual

[simple saffron]

but isn't all this kinda far from the kinda market wooting focuses on?

[cosmic dome]

I will never argue that wireless has latency and could be used in a competitive gaming environment

ehh that's a decision from wooting though and one I will certainly respect

[jade widget]

Hey look keyboard at work

[cosmic dome]

logitech chose to dive into the wireless environment for their gaming keyboards

I can't speak whether they regret it or not though

[simple saffron]

like I'm pretty sure wooting wants to focus on esports grade competitive gaming keyboards

[cosmic dome]

they do

and that's their choice and a good one for sure

I respect it

[simple saffron]

and wireless doesn't seem to fit that picture

[cosmic dome]

my point wasn't that I wanted wooting to make a wireless I was just trying to show other people the benefits that some people see in wireless keyboards and that it's not just "useless"

[lime falcon]

thanks for that

[simple saffron]

oh yea wireless is def really useful

[cosmic dome]

I didn't say useful

I said uses and the word is convenient

[simple saffron]

I'm just trying to wrap my head around whether wooting would ever need to go wireless

[cosmic dome]

they wouldn't

I 100% agree that they have no reason to ever go wireless

I just wanted to clarify that my only point was to share why people would want a wireless keyboard and that wooting if they WANTED to could most likely do it considering similar keyboards have but it's just not worth it for them

40 hours of battery life is definitely a joke even in logitechs keyboards

but it exists

whatever that means 😂

There are many examples of companies that have made devices for specific purposes and people outside that industry use it for random things they never expected.. that doesn't mean that company should refocus and start making it for those people it's just always interesting to see what people come up with uses for

[simple saffron]

yk if the battery life actually manages to reach 100 hours+ for a wooting, unless the wooting somehow got super efficient this would mean that all the battery problems with electric cars would be fixed too

[cosmic dome]

LMAO

[dull trail]

hi

[simple saffron]

cuz that's like +150% battery capacity

[cosmic dome]

some people forget that wireless mice have around 90-100 hours but end up lasting a week or two sometimes because of the sleep mode

it's like 90-100 hours of full playtime

i'm talking about the latest ofc

logitech v2 pro and razer etc

they might get less that's just what they quote

[simple saffron]

80 should still be plenty, unless you're an avid practitioner of avoiding grass

[cosmic dome]

HAHAHA

that's true if you're gaming 80 hours a week you need a job 💀

[jade widget]

Someone gotta get this tech off finalmouse they've solved the battery problem https://twitter.com/finalmouse/status/1439334746622861316?t=v7_8KA7ySyzPraydflpSUg&s=19

Finalmouse (@finalmouse) on X

The greatest mouse of all time is about to become magnesium, wireless, have 2 months of battery. and weigh 40 grams.

The question then is just. Which is better. The original, or the Starlight ?

Twitter · Sep 18, 2021, 9:05 PM

[cosmic dome]

I genuinely wonder if it's actual 2 months of use

or if it's including sleep as a rough estimate

oh that post was 2021 😂

[jade widget]

Yeah spoilers everything was a lie the small was 45grams and the battery life was more like 90 hours

[next lark]

2 months idle probably

[wind hollow]

I am literally autistic with extreme sensory issues and i simply do not understand how the wire gets in the way on a mouse

like i do not understand it bruh

[mighty silo]

depends what setup you have, like for me my mouse wire would run from behind the desk so the wire rubs on the edge of the desk causin it to get snagged sometimes. A bungee fixes it but a wireless mouse is just easier

[jade widget]

More noticeable if you play low sens games like tacfps

[mighty silo]

have had many mice but the logitech g pro x superlight is without a question top tier

[wind hollow]

i play val...

[jade widget]

You ever tried a wireless mouse

[wind hollow]

ig? idk the wire just never gets in the way

[wind hollow]

yeah, g pro superlight

i returned it bc i could feel the small amount of delay

its like a full 1 ms of delay bruh

[jade widget]

1ms 👀

[timber barn]

thefuck

wired mice have the same or even more

[wind hollow]

thats what it felt like

[lime falcon]

i havent read more placebo ever

[wind hollow]

? wired is like 0.5

[lime falcon]

lmfao

[timber barn]

I can't tell if hes joking

[lime falcon]

me too

uxida get your shit together lil bro

[timber barn]

your pc has more than 5 ms latency just rendering shit and displaying it

and your ping too 😭

I agree with you tho

[timber barn]

0.5ms more latency is far too much

[wind hollow]

yeah

[timber barn]

😭

get a new brain lil bro

[lime falcon]

[sonic kindle]

If there are any mods online rn my wooting cable is a bit messed up when ever I wobble it it disconnects or even if I move the kb too hard it's super lose what can I do to fix it

[lime falcon]

create a support ticket #1019755933959733258

[low token]

My record is around 108ms

Better than monkey

[timber barn]

https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime

@wind hollow how much do you get

[sterile dagger]

Mine is much longer cause I say "huh" when someone asks me a question even though I'm not deaf, and then I answer them before they can even repeat it.. my brain is just lagging

[jade widget]

If youre feeling the difference between 0.001 and 0.002 seconds think we need to study your brain

[timber barn]

bruh im at 300ms

[lime falcon]

no way bro

[timber barn]

250

[timber barn]

bruh

[low token]

How much hz display do you have

[timber barn]

im on my macbook

60hz and some delay of pressing glass trackpad

[lime falcon]

connect your brain in the macbook

you will have less delay

[timber barn]

I wanna try with the neuralink or some brain wave scan thingy

[jade widget]

If it's one of the new macbook pros those displays suck for response times

[low token]

Well I had 60-130ms on 165hz display

[timber barn]

lemme try on my 180hz

[jade widget]

https://youtu.be/fpapxarvJ64

Tenz is cracked and this is his

[timber barn]

180ms is the lowest I got

[ebon sluice]

don't wait for it to turn green, just guess

[ebon lodge]

There are some OK reviewers out there but no one with the chops of Steve from Gamers Nexus. I want a Keyboard Nexus review channel lol. Someone with Louis Rossmann's electronics understanding and Steve's vigorous testing methodology. That would be sick. With a machine like the Wooting switch testing one, the acoustic testing chambers etc

Feel free to steal my idea anyone, or maybe one for myself some time later.

[icy cosmos]

Good morning, are you sure you’re posting in the right channel?

The reason why there’re so many options in the keyboard space is because it lives off the mantra of “Personal Preference” no logic or facts can win over your feelings 🤣.

[livid schooner]

Does the internet connection affect this test? It should load in your RAM and run locally. Also, have your trigger finger under tension, it improves the result.

[buoyant solstice]

Thats how websites generally work yes.

[spark grotto]

I’m sure you can find a software that does that.

[river basin]

Are the L60 switch pre-lube? Also do the Krytox need to be re-lube every year, as the spec somewhere say it last 5000 hours.

[buoyant solstice]

all of our products are prelubed.

Doesn't mean you don't want to relube them yourself. That is ultimately a very personal preference thing, and something enthusiasts will do regardless of the original product.

[river basin]

Nice 🙂

[carmine pulsar]

i mean core reaction time is that actually good but you gotta predict too if you are not predicting anything it wont get better

[livid schooner]

Predicting is basically cheating yourself if you actually want to know your real reaction time.

Better, replace mouse with some pistol-like controller with a very sensitive trigger. Squeezing your fist is a more natural response than clicking a mouse, thus it will happen quicker.

Eye blink is even faster ofc, but idk how would you translate that to an input with minimum lag.

[sleek lynx]

Just ordered one today, can't wait 🙂
btw, how i add my batch role ? NA Bridge

[tight cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hmRHWZSeXw

[carmine pulsar]

like i said „180ms“ is not bad for „core reaction time“

[ornate forum]

thanks

[surreal wasp]

Im able to get 160ms

But no less

[icy cosmos]

Smart, the later you order the less waiting time 😆

[eager sundial]

reaction time don’t matter too much

[red heart]

Remember guys, other people only have better reaction times because their gear is better, it‘s never you

If you had the same mouse keyboard monitor pc you could play just as well as the pros

[atomic brook]

kekw

[low token]

Nope mostly it is you problem

[errant torrent]

I think it was sarcasm

[atomic brook]

a smidge

[sonic kindle]

Yeah if I had a 4090 I would have sub 100ms reaction time

[cunning gust]

Reacting to 14 frame overheads now because I bought a NEWTHING™️

Also 16khz polling

[frosty mango]

I ordered wooting80 but I made a mistake in my email address, will the product arrive?

[tight cypress]

It will, but I'd still suggest correcting it, in case you need make a warranty claim in the future for example
Just contact support [e-mail] with your name and delivery address, they'll fix it for you

[buoyant solstice]

It might*

If for any reason the order is held, they wouldn't know.

[buoyant solstice]

So definitely get in touch, so we can help fix that.

[frosty mango]

I sent you an email

[atomic brook]

btw

there will be a follow up automated email

for you to reply to, asking about your request type

[frosty mango]

I replied, but I haven't heard from you.

[atomic brook]

it takes a while chill

dw your email being wrong wouldnt affect u rn

[buoyant solstice]

Not entirely correct - But we'll respond asap

[frosty mango]

ok

[median lantern]

@buoyant solstice hello I still haven’t received any response regarding my order # EU157014H. I emailed back saying I want jades and L60 free pack

Do I have to add them in myself or wooting will do it ?

[buoyant solstice]

Please be patient for a response.

[sonic ferry]

Shipping been pushed back 2 months since I ordered 😤

[buoyant solstice]

A month and a week at most.

There was a week adjustment very early on, which did shift some orders from end of July to start of August.

[oak jungle]

days goes by superfast now we 8th July which is surprisingly fast

[gleaming surge]

do we have any information about the dimensions of the 80HE Travel Case? I would greatly appreciate it

[nova nexus]

Hmm I expected this to be on the product page and it isn't. Passed along internally to get the information and add it to the webiste.

[pastel hare]

If you busy it goes by fast

[gleaming surge]

Thanks so much!

[urban ice]

Hey ! If change my switch order, from lekker 60 (with lk45 offered) to Gateron jade switch, could i choose the lekker 60 as offered ?

[buoyant solstice]

Email, email email.

[urban ice]

I don't want to bother any one, if that's not possible 🙂 But i'll do it, thanks

[buoyant solstice]

It's no bother at all. But it IS the only way to ask if something is possible, when it comes to changing an order.

[nova nexus]

Size: 165 x 380 x 86 mm (roughly)
Weight: 610g
Will have the website updated with this information in the near future

[still sky]

do we have info about the dimensions of 80HE itself, specifically the width, I'd like to order a foam wrist rest

[tight cliff]

On the 80HE page? they do also have a wrist rest for it https://wooting.io/product/wooting-wrist-rest-80he?Color=Black (Technical specs coming soon on the wrist rest though)

[slim slate]

Does anyone know when I can expect the whole pre order stuff ends and It is out for mass production/commercial orders ?

[buoyant solstice]

https://hub.wooting.io/my/account

[slim slate]

I meant like when is it so you can order and it arrives after a couple of days.

[buoyant solstice]

Impossible to say with certainty. We would have to receive more restock than outstanding backorders at the time.

Right now that's looking to be October.

But if the restocks slated for then sell out by then...

[sonic ferry]

Yeah when I first ordered it said mid August now saying mid October

[tight cliff]

Took a while to get the 60HE in stock because of the demand so it'll probably be the same for the 80HE

[simple saffron]

wait which game

[feral jetty]

Which keycaps are we going for with the raw zinc

[cosmic dome]

Is it intentional that the v2 switches can be ordered without the 80HE by themselves rn?

[summer fiber]

Idk it says the delivery time is late July

[cosmic dome]

yeah it is because they aren't in the warehouse yet

[feral jetty]

this is a bit crazy

[cosmic dome]

it's ON SALE

[summer fiber]

Oh naw

[cosmic dome]

you have to get it LOOLLL

[simple saffron]

bruh

[feral jetty]

if its on sale you must buy

[simple saffron]

400 bucks for keycaps

[feral jetty]

they are aluminium

[simple saffron]

that shits is more expensive than a zinc alloy wooting

[cosmic dome]

when your keycaps cost more than the entire keyboard

[feral jetty]

to be fair these would fit insanely well with the zinc

[cosmic dome]

those wouldn't work well with the wooting right?

[tight cliff]

Was thinking of using white keycaps to begin with

[cosmic dome]

the wooting is magnetic

[simple saffron]

I've black zinc so that's sad 😦

[feral jetty]

oh yeah didnt think about that

[cosmic dome]

LMAOOO

aluminium is paramagnetic

[simple saffron]

oh yea damn

[merry grotto]

wtf, never thought about this - they can't just use any material because it would interefere with the HE stuff?

[cosmic dome]

yup

[blissful spindle]

How heavy is one of them aluminium keycap

[cosmic dome]

you have to be careful even having magnetic stuff next to it

it doesn't usually cause issues but it could

[merry grotto]

I will keep that in mind, thank you

[cosmic dome]

that's why springs were annoying to do for the wooting

[feral jetty]

cant find any information about that

[cosmic dome]

prior to wooting having alternative springs on their site you had to custom order them in masses

from third party

[tight cliff]

Would like to get the Cerakeys but would have to get an Artisan enter then because of ISO

[cosmic dome]

it's funny that gateron is the one selling those keycaps

gateron sells as LOT of magnetic switches

[feral jetty]

ceramic keycaps sound fun

[simple saffron]

ye but money

[merry grotto]

If you buy the pre assembled version of the 80HE - only the ANSI version is completely assembled - right? For the ISO variant you have to add the keycaps at least. Are the switches pre installed?

[buoyant solstice]

Correct.

Preassembled means everything (except switches for ISO/JIS) is already done out of box.

[cunning gust]

MLGPROFIGHT SiX™️

But I personally guarantee if you buy a keyboard with 100000 thousand hurtz polling you will be able to block happy chaos mix

Also your cpu will explode

[upper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

we in the same batch

[merry grotto]

I was asking because - isn't it bad practice to install the switches without taking the keyboard apart? Just saw Calder saying the in the video about lubing - that were quite some screws etc if you have no clue what your doing and therefore purchased the pre assembled one 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

No.

The 60HE has like five screws. The 80HE similarly few.

[upper garden]

are jades a thocky sound or more of a clacky sound?

[sleek lynx]

thocky

[merry grotto]

so you say it is very easy, almost idiot proof, I don't need to worry and should buy the lube set as well?

[radiant anvil]

they come already pre-lubed if i'm not wrong

[upper garden]

alright thank you homie💪

[upper garden]

you buying the module or the factory built?

[merry grotto]

factory

[upper garden]

you going to do anything to it or want to use it right out of the box?

[sleek lynx]

i bought the module, anyone else?

[merry grotto]

I planned to just use it out of the box - but now I think I will take it apart when inserting the switches to not dmg anything. And than I thought about lubing them while I'm already at it

[upper garden]

if youre buying factory built everything is already assembled ready to use and im pretty sure they lube the switches and stabilizers. If you want to make changes to it later or the moment you get it, its up to you. They have videos on their youtube channel which you may know or not know. They tell you how to do everything so just use their youtube channel as guidance. They are very informative and tell you what to do step by step. Their products are solid and very easy to use

[merry grotto]

thank you 🙂

[upper garden]

youre welcome 🙂

hey wooting mods what video games are you playing rn ?

[simple saffron]

lmao

what about chain lollipop?

[feral jetty]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/616057300028751897/963275199174823966/IPAddress.gif

[simple saffron]

your pee adress is different from your home adress?

[fickle lava]

wich lenth will have the included USB-C to A cable?

[simple saffron]

I'd assume 2 meters or less

[upper garden]

the mods dont love me

[buoyant solstice]

The 80HE C to C cable is 2m

[upper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-18746163

[radiant anvil]

so you mean that i need an adapter or a motherboard supporting usb4?

[buoyant solstice]

No. There's a C to A adaptor included.

[low token]

@buoyant solstice 80he guide will be idiot proof like for 60he?

[buoyant solstice]

As proof as we can make it, yes

[upper garden]

you got to make the keyboard taste awful like nintendo did with their switch games.

some of these mofos gon like their keyboards, i have a feeling.

ima go nap i cant do anything right, running on two hours of sleep gn

[autumn viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-the-cat-phew-relieved-sigh-gif-17213206

[sterile dagger]

Will the 80HE 8k polling require tachyon mode enabled?

[quasi crater]

I think they said it wont have tachyon mode because it has 8K instead but im not 100% sure

[sterile dagger]

Oh okay, I'm hoping we get the performance without the need for tachyon. A bonus would be being able to use coiled cables in that case

[feral jetty]

late august to early september

damm. really got cucked right there

[spark hound]

You can use a good coiled cable and tachyon mode

[sage elk]

Late August to Mid October

[jade widget]

Still has tachyon

[jade widget]

Tachyon doesn't have anything to do with polling rate but increases the scanning rate

[upper garden]

i have officially joined the 80he cult

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[low token]

What kind

[upper garden]

first batch BABY

thats right i was there when the wooting 80he was written

[tight cypress]

Which case

[upper garden]

i wanted white zinic alloy but its too expensive for me so i went with pcr ghost since i couldnt get white frost unless i buy it separately

i got factory built since im a pleb

[buoyant solstice]

You can always buy the zinc case down the road. 🙂

[upper garden]

i will mansen sensei 🙂

[low token]

@tight cypress how much images do you have that answers basic questions?

[tight cypress]

Ummm...
I mean I have made a chat on discord to store them all

[agile loom]

are the zinc cases expected/known to have a significantly different sound from the pcr ones?

[buoyant solstice]

I mean... metal vs plastic.

There's going to be a difference.

[agile loom]

everything i can find suggests it's more complicated than that

[tight cypress]

There was a sound comparison in one of the YT videos

[agile loom]

with other predominant factors

it you mean this, i've seen it yeah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCcVL1qAik&t=301s

but the way they were recorded was so obviously different i can't feel it's worth much as info

here wondering if anyone's got anything better in the couple months since

[low ermine]

Hello guys :)

Very excited to get my hands on the wooting :)

Been saving up for a year to buy it :)

Can‘t wait :)

[upper garden]

is there a video for it?

[tight cypress]

This one #🌟│wooting80he message

[upper garden]

thank you

wow

the zinic alloy case

with the switches sound amazing

definitely going to buy that zinic alloy case

and ima buy them jades switches too

gonna thock all up on deez noobs

[agile loom]

it does sound nice in the video, but it's damn hard to tell how much that speaks to the zinc case

i only hang around the periphery of keyboard stuff, but i've seen people make plastic keyboards sound pretty similar, certainly closer to that than the sterile (but useful) sound from the pcr test

[upper garden]

i would also like the weight of the zinic alloy case

unless its too heavy

because my ducky one 2 mini has some weight to it

[tight cliff]

You can check the weight on the 80HE page at the bottom

[upper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-the-best-talking-smile-gif-14123320149159124796

[agile loom]

i actually wonder if tsa might get annoyed with a full zinc case keyboard

can't imagine they'd care too much in the end, but i wonder how it shows up on xrays and shit

[cosmic dome]

I've traveled with unreal amounts of tech and it doesn't make a difference

They don't care dw

[agile loom]

👌 i've traveled with a bunch too, but never more than like partially metal, thinking of it

[cosmic dome]

My windows surface is made out of zinc magnesium alloy

Its not uncommon

Windows surface

[cunning gust]

Try bringing a fight stick on a flight

Four of them were looking at it for fifteen minutes before they shrugged and let me through

[cosmic dome]

Strange I never had a problem with mine lol

I took mine apart though

[agile loom]

yeah i've never had a problem with a fight stick either, but i don't use one of the like giant quanba ones or something

i know some of those have aluminum slabs for tops, can imagine a normal x ray might mean they gotta take a look at it

[wary abyss]

☝️☝️☝️☝️ it's not a like for like comparison 😐. I just extrapolated from youtube videos of metal vs plastic cases in other kbs

[agile loom]

nice, care to re-find any of those that swayed you? i'm still trying to put the pieces together myself

can DM if it'd be too unrelated for the channel, not sure what the rules say 😎

*or just point me in the right direction

[wary abyss]

The video I saw, the metal case sounded less thocky and more ticky but it sounded cleaner

[agile loom]

that was my impression from the ones i've seen too haha, conveniently the exact opposite of what the video up there suggests

[jade widget]

Metal cases have a deeper thock when foam is added, but can also be super clacky when foam is removed

Plastic cases you always have that hollow resonance

[wary abyss]

you have any videos showing this phenomenon?

that's not recorded with two different mics in two different environments

[jade widget]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l7rqQfKwTUc

something like this

[wary abyss]

😐 now I'm more unsure whether or not I want the zinc case

[agile loom]

yeah, and as much as i love hopperbus and have seen people saying what they say, i've also seen people saying the exact opposite just as consistently https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/comments/1cxbi3d/80he_noob_questions/

like with this post where both actual responses suggest plastic is deeper and 'thock/thonkier'

and even more people saying it comes down to backplane material + foam and that case material is almost irrelevant to sound

[agile loom]

which a purple name i'm pretty inclined to trust immediately said was wrong

perhaps the play is to pick one, never hear the other in person, and just assume you made the right choice forever

[buoyant solstice]

Que? What'd I do?

[agile loom]

oh, said plastic is definitely gonna sound different from the zinc case

[buoyant solstice]

Yes - It does.

turns head towards stack of PCR cases

[agile loom]

yeah that's why i said i was inclined to trust the purple name haha

it's just that when you try to suss out the difference looking stuff up online, you get swamped with people saying backplane + foam is what determines everything

and switch specifics ofc

and then the people saying it does make a difference don't agree, it's a 50/50 from where i'm sitting

[jade widget]

I don't think what I said goes against what Anders said, in fact it was pretty much what I was implying

[agile loom]

no, what you said goes against what this reddit post says, though it's possible the posters are thinking about keyboards with no foam

[jade widget]

The reddit comment that starts by saying "Hey hey, I may be remembering slightly wrong, highly recommend joining the wooting discord and asking there as well."

[agile loom]

one of two, where the other aggrees with it

and they're not alone (and neither are you), that was just the one tab i had open

my point was there is in fact no consensus to be found. i promise haha

[jade widget]

Plastic is thocky its just a more hollow sounding thock

[fallen ridge]

cant wait for my 80he, ordered this one since my last kb bricked first time buying a wooting product

if anyone has the 60he how does it feel?

[jade widget]

Metal is also thocky is you put a bunch of foam inside and use switches that aren't clacky like jades

It's all gonna come down to preferenc there's plenty of people who like the sound of plastic cases more then metal

[agile loom]

i see, i'll keep that in mind 🙏 thanks for the details

[cobalt blade]

Guys, does the wooting 80he have a dead zone of 0.02mm to 4.0mm? or is it only limited from 0.1mm to 4.0mm?

[wintry knot]

what actuation point do you guys like for just general typing? word document writing etc
wonder what actuation point is on default for regular keyboards

[agile loom]

the 80he advertises 0.1mm accuracy during switch motion, so i wouldn't imagine the shallowest point any higher than that. but maybe there's details i don't know

[valid comet]

i think the deadzone is going to still be 0.1mm because its tested well and its not going to accidentally trigger

[low token]

I guess 0.6 is fine

Tho for default actually do not remember

[glad fable]

I use 1mm

[low token]

Propably 1mm

[glad fable]

I use .4mm for my UwUting tho

[valid comet]

1.4 for typing

[valid comet]

does the Two HE still synchronize with RAZER Chroma?

[cosmic dome]

Are you talking about for the numpad/caps lock key lighting?

I recall someone asking at one point about that for that reason

[woeful shard]

hello guys I have a question about preordered wooting80he, will they send each part of keyborad on separate day or everything in one day

[radiant mortar]

feels and souinds good

sounds alot better than what i expected

[summer fiber]

everything one day]

[woeful shard]

kk thanks

[valid comet]

i just saw chroma connect so I thought i would ask

[lime aspen]

Shit even jades are pretty thocky in my tofu build

It's got quite a bit of foam/dampening for the case, + silicone plate insert with friction mount

[sleek lynx]

I use 2.0 for typing

[light nebula]

How accurate are estimates delivery times

[spark hound]

As accurate as they can make m

[upper garden]

thocky deep or more clacky?

[radiant wigeon]

Kinda wish I had gotten the raw case as that seems to have been a major reason for delays. Stoked to finally get the 80 though

[buoyant solstice]

Not too late.

[jolly tangle]

so your waiting time is over

[dusky tiger]

juuuust a little over a month moreeee

[rustic hearth]

I have to wait until October to receive the goods. The official website previously stated September, which made me very angry

[buoyant solstice]

An estimate is only good until something changes.

See #📦│batch_updates

[naive stirrup]

Another day waiting for my keyboard,
My fingers itching for the keys to tap,
Ideas swirling, waiting to be explored,
Impatiently waiting for the words to unwrap.

[valid comet]

senko

[livid cypress]

Me waiting for my keyboard like
...

[dim sierra]

[valid comet]

will be us

[livid cypress]

Soon...

[high scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[vapid torrent]

I was reading on the wooting site that the zinc is significantly denser that alu. Out of curiosity, does anyone know the weight of the metal case? I like my keebs heavy.

[nova nexus]

2.2kg if I recall correctly

[livid cypress]

So it can be used as a bludgeoning tool in a pinch.... Good to know....

I mean, uh, impact tool.

[nova nexus]

We make impactful products that drive the market forward.

How one defines "impactful" is up to them... 😛

[buoyant solstice]

Roughly 1.400g

Just the case. The entire keyboard is like what Mark said above.

[vapid torrent]

Thanks so much for the info. Great to know. Sounds fucking rad

[livid schooner]

What's the continuously maximum allowed force to be applied to the keys by the user? Have you done any tests? I was writing some time ago, that I have the habbit to strike the keys hard, but I think I exaggerated a bit. Any numbers to work with? kg or Nm?

I mean, I'm not the angry german kid by no means

[low token]

If you are worried. Buy spring pack with harder springs

[livid schooner]

But I like light keys, it's just that I hit certain keys hard, like Enter, Tab, Space, but not always! It's sporradic.

[median lantern]

I mean my order is supposed to ship mid of Aug - sept. If they don’t add my jade switches it will take longer to ship. Please advice

[oak jungle]

2 Sep wow you are so lucky so soon you will get your keyboard I wish that IM you

[buoyant solstice]

Again - Please be patient. We're answerering emails as quickly as we can.

[topaz anchor]

Razer copied rappy snappy even before it got released damn

[lime aspen]

Razer is the Nikola Tesla of the gaming peripherals

[topaz anchor]

afaik tesla actually invented stuff and the other guy stole from him

[vagrant haven]

I guess they heard the wooteam’s description of it and reverse engineered or copied the implementation from there.
I’d wager Wooting’s implementation is superior though, they’ve had more time behind the scenes to test it. And Wooting has a history of being the best implemented, highest performance, lowest latency, even among attempted copies.

[rancid geyser]

https://x.com/GinjaBrad/status/1810692432020881823 bro a professional drake level dick rider lol

GinjaBrad (@GinjaBrad) on X

@Razer @WootingKB Want to talk shit now? Your features and software will always be well behind the Goliath that is razer. I'm personally tired of these creators overhyping your company.

Twitter · Jul 9, 2024, 3:08 PM

[vagrant haven]

Not to blatant fan boy. But I still don’t think there is an analog or Hall effect keyboard that actually matches wooting’s latency

At the very least wootings keyboards feel the nicest. They’re clearly a company made by keyboard enthusiasts who had the technical know how to revolutionize the performance keeb market.

And at the end of the day if you’re going to argue that a copy is more worth it, then Chinese mice have been doing the same thing as Razer’s for 1/3rd the price for the past 1-2 years.

A lot of people don’t think highly of blatant copies with no improvement.

[lime aspen]

LOOOOL

[valid comet]

Matrix dot scan vs Parallel scan be like

[low token]

Wait it is their rappy snappy?

[rancid geyser]

Ya

[low token]

I think they want ban people for using macros

[valid comet]

woah razer actually has 0.1-4.0mm and snap tap, wild. pretty sure though there may be deadzone problems or sensitivity problems too, unless someone has one of the v3 kbs

they probably sound like maracas tho

[iron tundra]

Lol

[valid comet]

like ngl it is cool to see razer push optical this hard

but I feel like optical is too complex relative to HE

[cosmic dome]

last time it was reviewed

razers rapid trigger is like 0.35mm

so it doesn't send the release signal until 0.35-0.55mm

[valid comet]

wooting is 0.1mm?

[cosmic dome]

0.15 but yeah

believe it or not that small different on paper is actually a really big deal in gameplay

the press is less important because that's for reactivation

but that 0.15 directly relates to how fast wooting is picking up that release signal from you after you let go of the key

it makes it REALLY sensitive yeah but it's a big deal to have

there was never this imaginary race and I don't think wooting personally ever cared

in the past when other companies had achieved similar wooting congratulated them

they've always been modest and happy for others but if you do want to get down to the nitty gritty

If the keyboards were exactly the same 100% i'd buy the wooting over the razer over the simple difference of razer synapse

[vagrant haven]

Wootility is so nice honestly

[cosmic dome]

people underestimate how many driver issues and other problems come from synapse

[vagrant haven]

I don’t think Synapse is as bad as people make it out to be. But Wootility and Endgame Gear’s software are like S+ for software.

Endgame Gear feels like if Wooting had a mouse department

[cosmic dome]

I've seen razer synapse cause up to 70FPS loss in games

setting it to low priority in task manager helps but you shouldn't have to do that

on some systems it's completely fine but on others it's insane

[valid comet]

it is

thats why i cant exactly use jade switches or neo lavenders, I need 4.0mm

[cosmic dome]

wait for the v2 lekkers

or buy them now at full price

[vagrant haven]

Yeh that’s valid. I’ve never really seen that complaint when people are bashing on synapse. They’re just like “synapse bad bloatware boo”

[cosmic dome]

I believe that current wooting owners are getting a discount on the V2 lekkers but they're basically going to be on par with jades if not better

I'm really hyped for rappy snappy though

[median lantern]

https://youtu.be/Q72vXG8V9Fg?si=8rfXT73cIX_48tL4

The sticky rice ones look good hmmm🤔

[cosmic dome]

3.5mm travel distance so it's bad for analog but it depends on whatcha use

[lime aspen]

Sticky rices don't work

[vagrant haven]

I have a bag of the sticky rice waiting for my 80HE. I use it mainly for fps so I don’t necessarily mind the reduced travel

[lime aspen]

They overload the HE sensors

They aren't compatible

[vagrant haven]

I’ll test it on my 60 when I get home. Wouldn’t be too shook if that turned out

[vagrant haven]

Pretty sure I saw a review explicitly on the 60HE. But could be misremembering

[median lantern]

Sned video please

[lime aspen]

They are inconsistent, and overload the sensors

[median lantern]

Overload as in?

[vagrant haven]

Damagingly or just sending bad inputs?

[lime aspen]

Bad inputs

[vagrant haven]

And poor QC on magnets sounds like a bummer

[lime aspen]

The magnets are too strong and inconsistent

[median lantern]

Gotcha

[vagrant haven]

New keeb modding meta, magnet swaps👀

[median lantern]

@vagrant haven please try it when you get home

[lime aspen]

People do this with stem swapping

Like franken raptors, they use lekker stems if geon raptors housing

[low token]

@tight cypress can you pull giant compatility image?

[vagrant haven]

I’ll probably only put it on like WASD+Shift+space. So not a massive sample size.

[median lantern]

Yeah that’s okay, just to see the test

[vagrant haven]

Interesting. The box stem was something I wanted to experiment with on HE switches. Even if it doesn’t work technically if it feels nice it’ll be a product category I keep my eyes out for.

[lime aspen]

You can use wootings analog tester to see for yourself the inconsistency and overloading

[vagrant haven]

That’s a good point. I wonder if the keyboard could calibrate to it

[lime aspen]

It does calibrate, but the sticky rice magnets are just too strong

[valid comet]

i dont think sticky rices are gonna work

[white thistle]

pic?

[buoyant solstice]

Of?

[white thistle]

80he

is it basicly a tkl?

[buoyant solstice]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

There's an entire product page, friend.

[jade widget]

TKL community would say no

[white thistle]

preacite it

[white thistle]

crazy

[low token]

It is inbred child between 75% and tkl

[jade widget]

Yeah if you check the announcement video people were very upset it wasn't a "real TKL"

[low token]

Well tkl would be better

More symetric

But if sander is going to make tutorial how to split open watermelon with zinc alloy case i will be fine with it

[dull token]

how so?

isnt it basically the same?

wooting it just a little smaller which a lot of people ptobably like seeing how popular 60% keyboards are

[low token]

@dull token

[dull token]

oh like you dont like the way the arrow keys are?