🌟│wooting80he

[nova nexus]

Oh that was an easier fix than expected

Good I'm glad that the thing I feared went wrong did not actually go wrong 😂

Should be good now (for real this time)

[spark grotto]

Awesome, thanks again man. Appreciate the quick help!

[zealous oak]

Thanks @nova nexus

[mental lintel]

It is indeed fixed now. Thanks for the prompt action there. Enthusiasm levels are back up to

And while I'm dishing out the thanks, thanks Raymond for prompting me to check my own order. I wouldn't even have looked if it weren't for your post.

[bleak vale]

are there any plans to update the order upgrades page for 80HE?

[buoyant solstice]

To some extent, yers.

[bleak vale]

nice :)

[atomic brook]

btw what springs are recommended for cera keys?

[buoyant solstice]

Heavy ones. Like L80 (especially on the spacebar)

[atomic brook]

alr tks

[valid comet]

how often does the two HE restock?

[buoyant solstice]

As needed.

[tight cypress]

For a batch of Two HEs is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to

[soft sky]

XD

[brazen hill]

i'm so ready for mine

[fallen epoch]

Imma eat it

[brazen hill]

the whole thing or the keycaps, cause i would imagine the board is quite unhealthy to eat

[fallen epoch]

Whole thing, gotta have the full course meal

[brazen hill]

just see your dentist afterwards

[valid comet]

turns out my cousin is interested in 60% so I will get him the 60HE+!

[fallen epoch]

Cousin eating good with gear

[valid comet]

unfortunately its a gamble if its able to make it to his place at all

shipping to his area in romania is not a good idea

ive been there and there are a lot of crazies

so I have to send it off w parents

but... my dad may leave early and mom may not have room

so I need to talk to them

[last whale]

Im gonna assume I can put whatever keycaps on mine right

[fallen epoch]

majority of keycaps yes, just needs the mx stem insert

[last whale]

Sounds good. I'm looking for a set in preparation lmaoo

[brisk badger]

The economist in me said, “probably the worst economical decision”, in reality I do not regret anything 🥹

[dark cargo]

mine is also coming in July!

[lost charm]

I'm gonna start hating people in July 😭 😭 Namely myself

[pseudo parrot]

afaik by the current estimate, first batch delivers early august, not july

[somber creek]

is wooing 80he better or steelseries apex pro mini tkl. and i know this is a wooting server, but still. im prob gonna get wooting though cuz its hot swappable

[tight cypress]

There ya go

TL;DR: Don't bother with anything from SteelSeries

[jolly tangle]

dark mode

helloo ????

also comparing a steelseries to a wooting

[sullen sand]

late July for NA, early august for EU I believe

[somber creek]

thx

wooting is wayyyy better

[jolly tangle]

thats what im saying

[somber creek]

is o ring mod good for wooting 80he? when gaming

[jolly tangle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding

[jade widget]

You won't be able to o ring mod and you won't need to since it's gasket mounted already

[somber creek]

oops

[somber creek]

k thx

[pseudo parrot]

that green one being slightly off was triggering me lol

[somber creek]

lol

[wary abyss]

Does <0.3ms apply even without tachyon?

[tight cypress]

I'm pretty sure 80HE won't have Tachyon for 8000Hz mode, it has way beefier MCU

[wary abyss]

Nice

[buoyant jacinth]

I might need to switch from the 60HE to the 80HE because I'm too lazy to mod

[red heart]

[fallen epoch]

[red heart]

too lazy to mod, just make company you work at release keyboard that's pre modded

[fallen epoch]

Win-win situation

[buoyant jacinth]

The 80

[jolly tangle]

vodka

[buoyant jacinth]

Delicious

[fallen epoch]

Favorite morning drink

[somber creek]

are the stabalizers in the wooting 80he prelubed?

[pseudo parrot]

yep, switches as well

[somber creek]

ok

[cunning gust]

the part about software needed isn't true I'm using an apex pro right now with no software, also where do we see .3ms for the 80HE?

[abstract ingot]

Anyone know why my estimated delivery went from July to august like 💀

😭

[jolly tangle]

@abstract ingot Will

it has always been august. july was a mistake on wootings side.

[woven iron]

I owned the Apex Pro TKL and Mini before my first Wooting. Wooting all the way and its not even close.

[somber creek]

k

[vale palm]

Is my Ryzen 5 5600 enough for 8K polling rate tho? or can i use the keyboard at 8k and my mouse at 2k polling rate? I guess 8K wooting + 4K mouse would burn my cpu

[buoyant solstice]

Should be more than fine.

[vale palm]

I gues I'll see what will happen when my keyboard arrives

[somber creek]

ya guys know an exact date? prob not but just asking

[buoyant solstice]

Mnope

[somber creek]

im using a mac 💀

[lime falcon]

No way it went from Late July to Early August!!

Unacceptable

[lime falcon]

No it wont

It will be fine

[lime aspen]

I mean worst comes to worst you lower your polling rate to 1k/2k and notice 0 difference anyway

[quasi crater]

If you use mouse at 1000hz it will not run out of battery so fast either 😀

[radiant totem]

would a ryzen 9 7950x3d handle it?

[quasi crater]

I think it should barely make it, think you are good bro

[amber cove]

I'm looking at the cable set and see this message: I have a preorder for the 80he. How do i get the discount? I don't see anything in the hub..

[somber creek]

how many layers of tape does the 80he come with. also how thick of foam

[low ridge]

The polling rate support depends more on your motherboard usb controllers

If you got cheap motherboard, no. For more high end it won’t be a problem

[low ridge]

Quality takes time, right?

I ordered keychron q1 he because it was faster and is exactly 75% what I want

Will get it in a week or so

[gritty spruce]

I emailed them and asked them to add items to my preorder and they did, they automatically applied a discount that I didn't even know I had. They just emailed me an invoice for the new charges and updated the order.

[amber cove]

thanks!

[soft quarry]

lol

[kind hill]

[valid comet]

8k for a keyboard should be fine, an 8k mouse I believe is harder on the CPU

[wind crown]

It is. 8k on a keyboard also isn’t really all too noticeable from 1k

[worn turret]

After placing the order, I was prompted for order payment verification. I responded to the email on May 11th, but there was no follow-up. Now it is still order payment verification. Is this normal?

[tight cypress]

May 11th was Saturday and support doesn't work on weekends, so I guess that's why, but those tickets are prioritized, so someone should get back to you today, tomorrow tops

[worn turret]

thanks

[lime aspen]

yeah its literally not possible

where as a mouse you can notice a tiny smoothness difference if anything at all

[tight cypress]

Still, I don't know how high refresh rate you'd have to have to notice that

[wind crown]

Yeah. Also heard that some games freak out at higher polling rates

Not worth the increase over 1000 in my opinion

[lime aspen]

yeah i just use 2k

works on every game, doesnt waste battery life, tiny smoothness increase

[hushed yew]

Hi see you in August (plz send mine earlier though 🙏😁)

[novel jackal]

Hi, i have a small question and i dont really wanna open a forum for it. Do i have enough time to preorder the wooting 80HE or is it general better to preorder asap incase it gets out of stock?

[tight cypress]

If it goes out of stock, there will be more on the way, don't worry

The sooner you order, the sooner you'll get it, but it'll be available for foreseeable future

[novel jackal]

Sankyu

[dim sierra]

as of now, the 2nd batch of 80he is 2x bigger than the first so i'll assume u have time to preorder and still be in the 2nd batch

[river wharf]

If you change your order like case color, your batch will also be changed to the latest one
Mine went from early Aug to early Sep (EU-Kampioen to EU-Brug)

[buoyant solstice]

Not necessarily. We're working on a way to retain batches where possible.

[river wharf]

Keep up the hard work! I personally don't mind.

[proper pine]

Is it possible to go from ansi->iso and add key caps to an order which already exists?

[red heart]

You‘ll probably have to email [e-mail]

[dense ridge]

@river wharf as i know internal your order is still in the first batch and only in hub you see it as the second batch

but i can be wrong to be honest

[molten ember]

Waiting for some sound test

[buoyant solstice]

Why is that switch coloured like an inverted watermelon.

[molten ember]

[wind crown]

Charge your phone bruh

[dim sierra]

should sound the same as jade, just wondering if it has better stab and doesnt cause issues

[idle depot]

Wonder if it’s 4 or 3.5mm

[jade spindle]

3.5

[midnight iron]

That’s not the 80he compatible one though

[jade spindle]

GATERON KS-20 Dual-rail Magnetic Orange with 4.1

Same switch, but compatible with Wooting.

[midnight iron]

No the orange dual rails are different to jades

Jades are closed bottom style switches

[molten ember]

Oh

Can it fit the 60he?

[jade spindle]

Ah, this. Closed bottom more noisy

But some likes this sound.

[tight cypress]

You need N version for any Wooting, not E version

[midnight iron]

nope. You need the ks20 type one

[tight cypress]

E is south-pole like KS-37, N is north-pole, like KS-20 and Lekkers

[midnight iron]

although i'm not sure if it'll be any real improvement over current jades besides maybe better light rgb

[jade spindle]

Current jade are not dual rail

[midnight iron]

dual rail doesn't matter

tightness of the switch isn't depending on dual rail or not dual rail

[jade spindle]

But sounds more stable, less wobble

[midnight iron]

nah, that's not how it works

[jade spindle]

On paper

[midnight iron]

you can be just as tight or more tight than dual rail switches without dual rail

the tolerances of the switch matter much more than it having dual rail or not

dual rail is just a new thing brands are trying out, but it honestly doesn't matter if a switch has it or not since they've already made tight switches without it before

[jade spindle]

I want to change the current Lekker v1 to something. This or wait v2. Because I want less key wobble in a high position.

[midnight iron]

i mean there's plenty of solution already if you can't wait for lekker v2

the current jades are already good for wobble. Same with the orange dual rails

both are great as far as stem wobble go

[dim sierra]

its square magnets too, wonder if it change anything

just have to wait for someone to test and see if its any different

[midnight iron]

it's cause pic is the ks37 version

not the wooting compatible one

[dim sierra]

i think they made the N ver square too

[midnight iron]

there's like 4 versions supposedly

so i'd expect a non square version too

[dim sierra]

i only saw 2, just N and E ver of the dual rail jades

[midnight iron]

yeah there's ks20 versions. The ones you saw are just the ks37 ones

[tight cypress]

[dim sierra]

I think N = ks 20, E = ks37

[tight cypress]

Yup

[midnight iron]

keep in mind you see 2 there

[dim sierra]

i remembered lightly reading about it on the gateron website too

[midnight iron]

yeah the gateron one doesn't show all the info, it just shows bits and pieces

we have to wait and see for the other variations

[dim sierra]

i wonder but unlikely imo since they didnt talk about it during the shanghai event too

[midnight iron]

i mean we know there's other variations that haven't been shown

gateron themselves said it. And while they could change the magnet, it would be a weird move to potentially cause sensor issues with all the ks20 boards just to have a square magnet

4 variations that people roughly estimate are 2 ks37, 2 ks20 variations (both pole versions of each)

[dim sierra]

hopefully they tested it since they specifically stated the kb it works on 💀

[midnight iron]

i think it's to cover all their bases. Because some brands are weird and just randomly decided to use opposite magnet poles on the same board

if they do those 4 then they cover basically all the potential options since everyone besides a few are using ks20/ks37 switches

[dim sierra]

yeah im just curious how dual rail improves the switch

hopefully there will be reviews before 80he comes

[hidden field]

received jades, now give me my 80he

was wondering why jades were on 50%sale, maybe for those jade mini coming out?

[midnight iron]

i wish they'd experiment more with materials besides just dual rail stuff

at this stage the current jades already good enough for wobble, so i'd like to see other materials and how it affects the sound

[dim sierra]

i heard heavier lubed jades sounds better

[tribal birch]

where do u buy the jades

and where are they 50% off

[midnight iron]

probably aliexpress

there's a ton of them that do welcome deals where it's like 40-50% off

[hidden field]

not welcome, just on sale now

[tribal birch]

where did u buy from?
aliexpress

[hidden field]

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/1102994602 I use here, always friendly krepublic

huh it became 54$ now lmao

[tribal birch]

rip

well ill buy em another time ig

[hidden field]

at least its still -52%

[tribal birch]

i cant order off that site even

[hidden field]

too bad

[hybrid birch]

Do we have an ETA (even if approximate) for french PBT keycaps?

[jolly tangle]

no

[mellow remnant]

wooting 60he+ 8k polling ?

[buoyant solstice]

No.

[mellow remnant]

[vivid elk]

Will there be Alu Cases for 80HE?

[buoyant solstice]

No plans from us. It's Zinc alloy all the way for now.

[vivid elk]

Ive talked with some People and they said the +100€ isnt worth a Zinc Alloy Case thats why im askin

[nova nexus]

The better question is will there be zinc cases for the 60HE?

[meager quail]

mb wait for the tofu

[buoyant solstice]

Alu won't be cheaper though.

[vivid elk]

Do you know what are the Difference between Alu und Zinc Alloy

People just said its not worth i just wanna know why and what er the differnce between that

[vivid elk]

You think there gonna be tofu for the 80he cause its 75

[buoyant solstice]

It is entirely up to KBDFans if they want to make a case or not.

[buoyant solstice]

Just what material goes into the case. Zinc Alloy means it's primarily Zinc with other metals (such as alu) mixed in for a stronger bond.

[midnight iron]

$100 is pretty standard pricing for a lot of metal cases

I guess it could be not worth if you only care about performance then it makes sense, since metal case is just for fun more than any performance gains

Whether it’s zinc or alu $100 or so isn’t all that abnormal for a case of this size

[vivid elk]

So Zinc Alloy is still good quality

[nova nexus]

The difference between and Aluminum case and one made of a Zinc alloy is that the zinc one can be casted in a mold, while the aluminum has to be milled down. Casting is faster, and much more feasible to do a high volume, compared to having huge CNC machines cutting down blocks of aluminum.

Downside is that you have to make a mold for it, so unless you can spread the upfront cost of the mold over lots of units sold, that manufacturing process is much more expensive than just renting CNC time per batch as you go

[white forge]

so the lekkers that the 80he is going to ship with are going to be updated to improve stem wobble from the current gen of lekker switches that people have reviewed?

[nova nexus]

Correct

[white forge]

got it. okay, awesome

[jolly tangle]

a mold is hilarious expensive

[vivid elk]

So its still good quality

The Zinc Alloy Case

[sonic kindle]

If you want a aluminum case I'm sure kdbfans will make a tofu80 redux soon

You will have to wait tho

[vivid elk]

Is there a big Difference between the Zinc Alloy and Alu

[midnight iron]

I’d be careful telling people to wait

[sonic kindle]

Miniscule difference

[sonic kindle]

Many actually prefer zinc alloy plus you can eat your case to bulk up

[midnight iron]

80he isn’t really same situation as the 60he redux. They might make a case but might not necessarily be soon IF they do

[sonic kindle]

I mean it's pretty likely

[vivid elk]

So if i want a good quality case i can buy the zinc alloy

[sonic kindle]

Yeah ig

[lapis galleon]

not really

[midnight iron]

The redux was a remake of a popular existing case in gh60/dz60 format

[nova nexus]

Quality is defined as adherence to the specification, so yes it will be high quality otherwise our warranty policy will keep you covered for years.
The question you wanted to ask was, "Do you have high standards for this product?" And to that the answer is, yes: the zinc alloy case is a premium product and we intend to deliver a premium experience. You're going to love it 🙂

[midnight iron]

80he case would be from scratch in brand new format - not really same situation

[sonic kindle]

I'm actually not sure about the weight tho and how it compares to alu

[sonic kindle]

60 redux is one of there most purchased cases I'm sure they will make one for 80 when it becomes all the rage

[midnight iron]

Yes but it being soon or likely are neither guarantees or likely

They’d have to do a brand new mold and other things even if they choose to make one

[lapis galleon]

more specifically a proprietary format, meaning they would only be making money off the small portion of 80he owners that want to buy a third party case

[vivid elk]

I trust your words!

[midnight iron]

Those things take a lot of time to do, especially if they’re making 80he case from scratch with a non standard format

[sonic kindle]

Anything wooting is good quality legit anything

[pseudo parrot]

for sure, im very satisfied with the wooting products i have

[acoustic jasper]

New gateron he switch

[oak jungle]

are they compatible with 80he ?

[acoustic jasper]

Yes

[meager quail]

probably as he said its he

[oak jungle]

nice

I'll order them

[buoyant solstice]

I wonder what is even different with them, except for the gaudy inverted watermelon colour scheme

[acoustic jasper]

Hopefully someone can get them early for sound testing

[acoustic jasper]

They are Jade switches but with dual rails

[buoyant solstice]

Okay?

[acoustic jasper]

Idk what type of answer u wanted mansen 😂

[oak jungle]

LOL

[acoustic jasper]

Am I missing something

[buoyant solstice]

Fair. I am not convinced being dual rail will do much is all 😄

[oak jungle]

the lekker v2 doesn't have much wobble ?

[acoustic jasper]

Reduced a lot from v1

[idle depot]

Isn’t lekkar switches dual rail?

[oak jungle]

no

[idle depot]

Oh never mind then

[acoustic jasper]

Dual rails might help with keeping the keystroke straighter to prevent binding, I’ve noticed even when hand lubed, my lekkers can get a little caught pressing off axis

[oak jungle]

noticeable ?

[acoustic jasper]

You asking abt the dual rail or the lekker

[oak jungle]

the dual

first time you tried it didn you notice it right away ?

[acoustic jasper]

I’ve tried them before, and I don’t remember having notice binding

[oak jungle]

nice

[acoustic jasper]

They were light factory lubed too

[oak jungle]

then I'll order the new mini jade

GATERON Dual-rail Magnetic Jade Mini E Switch this is the new one right ?

[idle depot]

In the wootility does the board recognize that it’s 3.5 mm?

[oak jungle]

no

doesn't show that you got 3.5mm

but it will work fine

[idle depot]

So you have to keep in mind that you can’t go past that?

The .5 mm doesn’t make a difference right ?

[nova nexus]

The firmware still behaves correctly as if it is "fully pressed" it just doesn't understand that you've only pressed it 3.5mm to get to that point instead of 4.0mm

[idle depot]

Thanks mark!

I didn’t know there were differences in the switches like that

[oak jungle]

most ppl dont' really notice the diff but the obsessed ones like us

[idle depot]

Are cherry mx switches 3.5mm deep because they don’t have an open bottom like the other HE switches.

[steady escarp]

Only long pole switches are shorter

[idle depot]

This is super confusing lol

[verbal solar]

can't they just do a star shape and have multiple rails?

[idle depot]

Does dual rail switches create less stem wobble?

[spark heart]

Yes

[ebon sluice]

the neverending cycle of switches that still marches on with MX and now it's HE time. All roads lead back to mx-blacks, topre and lekker; the holy trinity

[wispy finch]

Just asking is it possible to make a keyboard with the same performance of wooting 80he but a wireless?

[jolly tangle]

No the magic is because of the cable

[acoustic jasper]

Anything is possible, but that’ll be a lot of work to figure out

[elfin umbra]

I kind of wanna buy custom keycaps for the wooting 80HE, does anyone know what I should look for? I see some keycaps specify the profile. for example cherry. I thought these looked nice but I dont know how to tell if they will fit on the switches that come with the Wooting80HE or if they might be too big for the keyboard. Help is much appreciated!!!
https://www.etsy.com/nl/listing/1494941487/voynich-manuscript-keycap-set-135?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=wooting+60he+keycap&ref=sr_gallery-1-4&pro=1&content_source=58480fa6eba9ffe19a14897912a4c81c02c246eb%253A1494941487&organic_search_click=1

[fallen epoch]

As long as they got the MX stem they’re good

[elfin umbra]

it says "compatible with most MX stems"

but I gotta ask ur opinion

[red heart]

Should work

[elfin umbra]

do you think this creme ish colour would look good on the wooting, I am not sure

I got the black version

[red heart]

Yeah probably

[elfin umbra]

idk how well creme goes with black

[fallen epoch]

Yeah itd look nice i think

[red heart]

I am a beige enjoyer myself

[fallen epoch]

Its a nice color

[elfin umbra]

have u guys got custom keycaps too? if so any other recomendations?

[red heart]

I have some beige caps on my board if you wanna see to get an idea

[elfin umbra]

yeah

[red heart]

Well, mostly beige

[elfin umbra]

it does look nice though

[red heart]

Yup

[fallen epoch]

Love me some beige

[red heart]

Cost me an arm and a leg too so it better look good

Anyway, sleep time

Ive been wanting to take a nap all day

[elfin umbra]

have a good night!

I am heading to bed as well

[somber creek]

can u put a side by side chart of wooting 60 and 80?

[fallen epoch]

go to #💬│general pins

[buoyant solstice]

Or #💬│general message

[fallen epoch]

[chilly bone]

will the 80he be much different to the 60 ?

[buoyant solstice]

See above?

[last python]

./

[keen wraith]

can the 80 store more than 4 profiles ?

[hushed cliff]

I thought it was called offwhite

[valid comet]

actually how many profiles can it store?

[atomic brook]

off white is a larger catergory which includes cream

[upbeat berry]

the LE, 2HE and 60HE could theoretically also store more than 4. the main issue is designing a good UX for swapping between a variable amount of profiles since we cant just keep making profile hotkeys

[valid comet]

thanks Tony 😁

[dire spear]

how is compared 80he in 1K hz to 60he in terms of latency?

[tight cypress]

We'll see once 80HE is out

[buoyant solstice]

In theory 8khz would be 8 times as frequent as 1khz.

[dire spear]

so it will still 1ms theorically o-o

[spark hound]

wat

[upbeat berry]

an 80he set to 1khz polling will ofc be limited to 1ms

you cant go below that since its 1khz

[small rune]

Can we set to 1khz polling rate but still keep the 8khz scanning rate?

[buoyant solstice]

Not sure actually. Definitely a question to ask on the next livestream.

[worldly turret]

Hi 👋

Is it possible to reach out to the team to update my pre order to a Zinc version? I'm waiting to see the final sample to make a decision, but would like to know if it was even possible.

[buoyant solstice]

Shoot us an email at [e-mail]

[lime falcon]

why would you set 1khz

[bleak vale]

what is that script though?

[worldly turret]

Thank you very much.

[inland turtle]

I wonder if any other companies will put a rush on making 80he cases

[lime falcon]

They will probably because its gonna be so popular

[inland turtle]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

[tight cypress]

Would be pretty cool to establish somewhat a standard for TKLish keyboards like for 60%s

[inland turtle]

I have a tofu for my 60HE

Can see myself easily buying a fancy case for the 80 too lol

[lime falcon]

you dont like zinc?

[buoyant solstice]

They said they would likely buy a case 😄

[low token]

Tho it would be very hard due to multiple mounting styles. And everyone wants their case diffrent.. So it would be hard to implement

[inland turtle]

I wasn’t a huge fan of the ones that Wooting sell, not that there would be much difference in quality I’m sure. Just looking for something a lil more show offie for the 80

[low token]

I dont think so there will be a lot 3rd party cases. Maybe 2-3 max

[inland turtle]

Yeah I’m sure I won’t be spoilt for choice! But It’ll be cool to see what people come up with in the custom scene too

[fallen epoch]

Exclusive duck case when

[low token]

Always you can make your own

[dim sierra]

more options is always nice

there will definitely be some china cases

[inland turtle]

Honestly I might look into it! I can see myself sticking with the 80 for a whileee

Gotta find myself a nice keycap set before a case tho! Lol

[dim sierra]

im interested in cerakeys +100g spring but most likely wont get it

[fallen epoch]

That would be a fun workout

Drops versions of GMK have been pretty great for me

[dim sierra]

it will be good for typing but not for gaming

[fallen epoch]

Indeed, 60s are my perfect fit for gaming

[dim sierra]

but cerakeys sounds amazing imo

[fallen epoch]

80g would probably be my typing ones

[inland turtle]

100g spring 😭😭

[fallen epoch]

Very stronk lekker 💪

[inland turtle]

Thicc bounce back

[dim sierra]

yeah cerakeys are heavier so recommended to have 60g or more for springs

[inland turtle]

I run 60g at the moment

[fallen epoch]

60s are a happy medium, cerakeys would def require more on spacebar however i think?

[dim sierra]

im currently on 30g and will stay at 30g when i switch to jades for 80he

[fallen epoch]

Given its size

[dim sierra]

i think 60g will still work

[fallen epoch]

Cool

[inland turtle]

Really? Damn yeah I’d expect them to require something stronger

[dim sierra]

i think theyre like 2-3x heavier

[fallen epoch]

Very chonky

I would perhaps go for em if they have a brown colored set, but i also havent checked out what they have in a while

[elfin umbra]

What do you mean with script?

[inland turtle]

From sound tests I’ve heard they’re amazing tho! Don’t think I’d ever be able to use them tho lol

[inland turtle]

I think they mean the font and design on the top of the keycap

[dim sierra]

same, i use very light springs so it will be hard for me to use them

[fallen epoch]

Yeah id get em strictly for a separate board for typing

[inland turtle]

But I have plenty of time to preorder a cool set of caps before the 80 gets here lol

[elfin umbra]

I don’t have a clue about the font😂

[inland turtle]

They’d be a sick display piece

[inland turtle]

I think it looks cool lol

[fallen epoch]

For sure

[bleak vale]

the other doodles on the keycaps that aren't latin characters

[tiny quail]

just cancelled my order cause $520cad for a keyboard is way too much and i regretted. im very happy with my $150 drunkdeer a75 pro and apex pro, and i didn't need to wait for 4 months for them. hope wooting can release budget 98% keyboard and maybe i'll come back 🥺

[meager quail]

OKAY

[low token]

Um okay. I dont think so there is market for 98% gaming keyboards

[rustic drum]

98% huh what keys are missing..

[icy cosmos]

The question is how much are you willing to pay 💰 and what materials do you fancy?

[lucid karma]

They do seem like an efficient layout space wise

[errant torrent]

Have they stated/does the staff know How good the lekker v2 Switches are lubed? And do you recommend relubing them?

[buoyant solstice]

Sander and Erik have shown off some WIP v2 switches on the most recent livestream, with sound tests.

[errant torrent]

Ive only watched a bit, did they actually talk about the lubing?

[buoyant solstice]

Erik takes apart a DVT sample, and Sander does a sound test.

[small rune]

The zinc alloy version currently in the DVT phase or not?

[errant torrent]

Okay, thanks

[buoyant solstice]

They're still finalizing it.

[verbal solar]

whats the diffrence between the 80he and the 60he ?

[quartz trellis]

amount of keys, mounting system, 8k vs 1k Hz Polling rate

[rose owl]

8k is incosistent no?

[tight cypress]

[quartz trellis]

doubt it when Wooting puts a lot of effort into the 8k thing

[verbal solar]

hmm i see

[verbal solar]

thanks

[spark grotto]

They have a video explaining this if I recall, usually ones that say 8k aren’t inconsistent but rather not “true” 8k polling.
Anyways I suggest you find the video I’m just repeating from what I remember.

[valid comet]

consistent because of the cable and the fact that all keys are scanned up to 8k times second in sync with the polling rate

[oak jungle]

yeah true polling rate unlike the Razer which not true 8k polling rate

[wind crown]

Is the polling rate even noticeable

[jade widget]

On a keyboard no

[wind crown]

alright

[lapis flare]

For the first batch from the founders campaign, what did they estimate for when orders could ship? I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything in the stock_batch_updates and I don't recall what the initial estimate was. Thank you!

[jade widget]

Current estimate is early August for the 1st batch

[lime aspen]

Nah but so many people were asking for it, might as well do proper 8k polling for extra marketing

[wind crown]

to me it doesnt seem like the jump from the 60he to the 80he is even worth it. probably only really would consider it if i didnt already have a 60he

[lime aspen]

It's not worth it no it's just whatever you prefer go with

Unless you just wanna support wooting with more money, or prefer the 80he layout, there isn't a point in buying an 80he if you have a 60he

[wind crown]

yeah

[woven gulch]

that's cope

[wind crown]

how? no use in spending more money on practically the same product imo

[wary adder]

gasket. mounted.

[jolly tangle]

[wind crown]

ill stick with my 60he

[wary adder]

yeah i love my 60he, i grew to love the 60 form factor. #layers

[buoyant solstice]

Unique standard, no cases exist yet.

[somber creek]

Zinc vs plastic sound test?

[buoyant solstice]

Last livestream and the second to last update video (iirc?)

[somber creek]

Send pls?

Nvm I got it

[jade widget]

The zinc sound test is a bit scuffed in the livestream

[somber creek]

which one is more thocky

[somber creek]

some one

[plain atlas]

Probably the plastic

[wispy trellis]

absolutely not . plastic always dampens

that's actually the one advantage imho that plastic has i like creamy switch sound

https://youtu.be/NgKJIMyz9kI?t=269

[plain atlas]

Dampens
Meaning deeper sounding, meaning thocc, right? Idk

[jade widget]

Kind of a hollow thocc

[wispy trellis]

thocc can actually be more "clear" hard to explain i actually don't like that that's whats keeping me a bit from directly going for zink alloy but the test soundet good enugh for me

[bleak vale]

imo the biggest impact on keyboard sound is the surface under the keyboard anyway

you'll get vastly different results with a hard desk surface compared to a desk mat

[wispy trellis]

true

[jade widget]

Case material plays a large factor in sound signature, you're never getting rid of that hollow resonance in a plastic case

[bleak vale]

I will if I fill the whole thing with sand

[somber creek]

What is more tricky thennn

[bleak vale]

but then you have the secondary issue that your whole keyboard is full of sand

[somber creek]

Thocky

I need thockyyyy

[bleak vale]

more thocky is bunch of tape and shit

[somber creek]

Zinc or plasticccc

In terms of thick and peformance

[bleak vale]

pry a small bend on the springs to make them hit the walls of the casing for a more springy sound

[wispy trellis]

its 20€ extra if you buy plastic first

[bleak vale]

I'm gonna try 3d-printing a case in glassfiber reinforced pla

and fill it with sand

[wispy trellis]

just don't fill it with sand..- just don't...

[bleak vale]

I'll use the good sand don't worry

probably fill it with glue too

[wispy trellis]

drys out anyway i had it on my desk for playing with it without gettingg my hands dirty after like 3 month i throwed it away because it got sandy

[bleak vale]

that's why I'm gonna print a separate case for it :D

fill it with fine sand then pour diluted pva glue over it

[wispy trellis]

you know that's sounds more like a opel corsa moddet for 60.000 € without relising that you can get a full AMG moddet BMW ..

in this case just buy the right amount of bitumen and put it in

[chrome vector]

wooting 80he 1khz vs 60he 1khz

[bleak vale]

uhm

what?

[wispy trellis]

that's preferences - where is the glases meme picture please?

[bleak vale]

ohhh molten glass

now we talking hardcore keyboard modding

mount the PCB onto a layer of still soft glass

make a perfect impression into it

I wonder how that would sound

[dark cargo]

Why is wooting 80he better then my razer keyboard??

[somber creek]

Zinc and plastic chart difference pls

[bleak vale]

you want a chart of the sound?

[jade widget]

Ones made of plastic and is cheaper, the other is made of zinc and costs more

[lapis galleon]

lower latency, better software, better firmware, better hardware. pretty much everything possible is higher quality. also analog vs optical.

[valid comet]

better software, user serviceable, custom friendly, likely much faster in terms of response time, etc

less marketing more science too

[dim sierra]

Razer is only good for their mouse even though their qc is shit

[wispy trellis]

A more REAL question is Q1 HE vs HE80 vs Deer75 😉

[valid comet]

and I have the Q1 HE and getting the 80HE

if youre okay with just web software, 1,000Hz, ever so slightly less effective RT and analog, but need tri connectivity and up to 3 devices via bluetooth, get the Q1 HE

[woven iron]

Agree, I only buy their mice.

[wispy trellis]

and even then mmo gaming mice are not available right now in a good style from neither logitech or razer

[dark cargo]

i use this mouse called final mouse

it has like holes in it and its like 40 grams i think

its pretty good

[wispy trellis]

sadly.. i sold my spare g604 '(wich is noit produced anymore for over 170€ on ebay because of that) ppl only going for lightweightet mice nowadays for shooters

[lapis galleon]

final mouse qc isn’t real

it’s a fictional creature

[wispy trellis]

i actually hafe asimple orochi v2 mouse for shooters i think 58 gramm is OKAYish and i love smaller mice for fingermovement when it comes to aiming... in the end that's more than enugh and only 50€...

[dim sierra]

I dont like holes on my mouse

[jade widget]

Can't do egg shapes

[lapis galleon]

same

[dim sierra]

Finalmouse made the lighter = better meta but their mouse isnt that well made and is just really overhyped and overpriced

[valid comet]

gonna admit my batch 3 unit is good but has flaws

[lapis galleon]

they keep saying they’re gonna fix it but never do a good job

[wispy trellis]

perfectly fine by me 58g and 98g funny that i love both shapes for difrent reasons

[dim sierra]

Razer has exclusivity in the pixel sensor so their sensor is always the best otherwise any china brand is just cheaper for the same quality

[valid comet]

roccat

[idle depot]

I feel like sub 45~ is diminishing returns

[wispy trellis]

horrible brand good mouse..

[valid comet]

got acquired by turtle didnt it

[wispy trellis]

yes^^

[valid comet]

i slmost forgot sbt it

[dim sierra]

Logitech is just making reskins and renaming their mouse without much improvement like they really care about it

[idle depot]

Im curious about what lamzu and pulsar are doing because I heard they are trying web-software and Im honestally all for that.

[dim sierra]

In the end its all preference for mouse weight

[wispy trellis]

a its physiks.. try 200 gramm mouse like g604 😛

was my goto bevore the roccat.. and in the end even in mmo it was too heavy

[jade widget]

• Turtle beach now

[dim sierra]

never know, someone might like it

[wispy trellis]

well its highly searched.. i sold mine just recently

not all play shooters..

or "only" shooters 😛

[valid comet]

its just msrketing meta

sadge

i mean i grew to like the finalmouse beast x shape over my G502 so... I guess thats nice

[dim sierra]

Yeah i rmb razer naga mouse was something else when i first saw it

[valid comet]

dem buttons

[dim sierra]

Wlmouse makes copy of finalmouse beast x and somehow made it better too

[wispy trellis]

with 6 buttons its a "good" mouse just not as good as it could be

[valid comet]

i got the beast x max and im looking fw to it

[idle depot]

My biggest grip right now with it is thier batch model

they could order more units because thier stock sells out really quickly

[dim sierra]

Yeah their mouse is really well received for how much cheaper it is

[valid comet]

which?

Beast X Max?

[idle depot]

Honestly Kinda wished FM stuck with magnesium

[dim sierra]

Wlmouse in general, heard good things about beast x and the mini too

FM seems like a money grab rn, just doing exclusive releases and collaborations

[valid comet]

mini and fsbulous have very good firmware

[idle depot]

^^ esp with my point about not increasing stock when there most recent collab sold out in hours

they thrive off FOMO and the mixed reputation

[valid comet]

i wanted a mouse to replace my g502 so I think the max will do it

again the shape is nice

[dim sierra]

Yeah mouse is all about finding the shape that u like

[valid comet]

also the click latencu for me

300micro is insane

vs the og 3.5ms on my G502

[idle depot]

the viper v3 is really good I just hate that you need to use razers software + the coating looks all gross after use

[dim sierra]

Might be because old mouse, there isn’t much difference now among the brands

[dim sierra]

I just disable razer software in services and use grip tape

[idle depot]

I hate the need to use grip tape guuuuuuuuuh

but honestly thats super fair

[dim sierra]

It’s humid at where im at so i use grip tape to prevent water mark on my mouse 💀

[valid comet]

i need it because of my acid hands

[jade widget]

Damn brah what yall doing to your mice

[fallen epoch]

Thats what i wanna know

[idle depot]

accid hands

[fallen epoch]

My beast x 8k has a nice coating

[valid comet]

no matter how good quality the coating or material, how much i take care of my hands

wash them, dry them

in 3 days everything gets shiny

and it pisses me off

kb or mouse...

[fallen epoch]

Damn

[valid comet]

i probably just sweat more and worse stuff than the average person

hyperhydrosis

[dim sierra]

Might be oil + water

[valid comet]

and some other styff that accelerates the breakdown of plastic

its no big deal with metal or silicone

it wipes off perfectly

[idle depot]

i wash my hands because of my oily hands

theres no winning

[valid comet]

GZT we are the same batch :O

[valid comet]

i feel ya

[fallen epoch]

Hmm, orange artisan with orange beast x

[dim sierra]

Yeah but i might get it later because they ship to my country last

[valid comet]

country? im west canada

[cunning gust]

paying extra to have holes cut in my mouse

[valid comet]

not just any holes, sPeEd hOlEs

[dim sierra]

Dont worry wont be that much difference in batch delivery time

[jade widget]

I'm fine with holes as long as they aren't on the sides

[cunning gust]

Paying $100 for speed holes

might as well have went to the shady part of town

[valid comet]

godspeed 🫡

the only time holes have bothered me were on my friends model o

otherwise the ULX has been really good for me

[cunning gust]

I palm grip so they always feel horrible to me

[valid comet]

i do too but for some reason the ULX just doesnt gimme the same issue the model o does

[dim sierra]

I have never tried mouse with holes on top but i dont think i will like it 💀

[valid comet]

i wouldnt like on lmb and rmb like most people do

[dim sierra]

U have to be crazy to like it on lmb and rmb

[valid comet]

also the thing is I naturally click so much lighter on the ULX than the G502 despite having similar microswitches, but the G502 doesnt doubleclick probably because the physical click feels so much more stable than the ULX

and thats... kinda sad?

[dim sierra]

Doesnt optical switch remove double click issue

[valid comet]

they break in eventually and consume more power so... not worth on wireless imo

[jade widget]

Pretty much

I just like the click feeling of mechanical switches, haven't found an optical switch that feels as good

[dim sierra]

I cant recall when the last time i used mechanical switches on mouse

[jade widget]

Still a few companies releasing mechanical switch mice

Vaxee, Zowie and Lamzu off the top of my head

[idle depot]

I haven’t heard many double click issues from Zowie wonder why.

[jade widget]

Because their debounce is set way higher then pretty much all the other brands

That's why they are pretty much always dead last in click latency comparisons

Also I'm guessing they bin their switches

[lean ice]

Damn, I'm torn between the Frost and Ghost

[river wharf]

it annoys me that viper v2 pro's mouse 3 buttons and side buttons still use normal mechanical switches

[jade widget]

I don't think anybody has optical side buttons as far as I'm aware

Some companies are starting to make mice with optical scroll wheel clicks

[river wharf]

yeah I wish they could because my old viper mini has double clicking side buttons.
I know the switches they use are the smaller smd switches, but they could easily designed a side pcb for the large optical switches.

[buoyant jacinth]

Please do try to keep things here related to the 80HE 🙏 we do also have #🔌│tech

[steel jewel]

if i bought the wooting 60HE rn would it come with the rappy snappy thats on the 80HE or is that a upcoming software update

[jade widget]

Coming

[wind crown]

Best company frfr

[untold chasm]

will the 80he have a focus mode like the 2HE

[tight cypress]

60HE doesn't have focus mode, 2HE does
60HE does have Tachyon mode, but it's possible that in 80HE it'll be redundant, due to much more powerful MCU

[untold chasm]

oh oops I meant 2HE

does 80He have focus mode like 2HE is what I meant

[tight cypress]

Nope - it won't need it
Focus mode is on 2HE to further improve latency, because there's lots of keys on 2HE
But 80HE will have beefier MCU, so it won't need it either

[untold chasm]

oh ok, so basically no latency diff from 80he to 60he that would require focus mode

[buoyant solstice]

Doesn't need to, I imagine due to the improved processor it has.

[dry pawn]

will the 2he be able to get a new Proccessor down the road for 8khz?

[buoyant solstice]

We have no plans to do so.

[shut wagon]

What is 8khz. I am so fast with my fingers. I need 16khz already 😉

[oak jungle]

well their keyboard already snapy fast even with player like me but my brain needs keyboard with 8k so I could feel more faster

[tight cypress]

2HE

[oak jungle]

I regret returning it but I was willing to buy 80he this is the only reason why I returned it

[jolly tangle]

thanks for your opinion but this the 80he fanboy channel

btw when wooting mouse @buoyant solstice

its very important

[nova nexus]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[jolly tangle]

mate

[nova nexus]

This one too #🌟│wooting80he message

[jolly tangle]

why is the stream over

usually you guys start at the end of the day

[nova nexus]

Started on time for once 😂

Caught me by surprise

[jolly tangle]

I got lied to

[lunar dragon]

Are we getting an update today or?

[jolly tangle]

bamboozled

misled

lead astray

*and more!

[nova nexus]

I haven't seen one and I think I recall the last update saying we were going to skip this week

[buoyant solstice]

Sure did

[lunar dragon]

A normal answer would suffice. Gl.

[gleaming nymph]

Will the 80he be better for esports?

[jolly tangle]

no but having more keys is nice

[oak jungle]

yeah

[jolly tangle]

rappy snappy is comming to all keyboards

[gleaming nymph]

Okay thank you

[oak jungle]

gasket mount is insanely good

[gleaming nymph]

Will it be better for esports than the 60he?

[oak jungle]

not that much tbh

[jolly tangle]

you got a yes and a no answer gl

[gleaming nymph]

Ahh alr

[oak jungle]

I bought it cost it gasket mount and the layout

[jade widget]

it's the difference between you being a pro player and you not being a pro player so you should get it I think

[oak jungle]

coz not cost

[humble cargo]

technically its capable of much faster refresh rate but that's more significant on paper than in actual use

[oak jungle]

pro means fast finger players

gasket mount is good

[gleaming nymph]

Is wooting80he better than old apex tkl?

[oak jungle]

yeah for sure I got apex pro wooting wat better

[red heart]

You could argue that 60he is better for esports cause it saves desk space which directly translates to more mousing space

[oak jungle]

way

[gleaming nymph]

Alr thank you!! Damn okay

[humble cargo]

60HE is the current esports standard afaik

[jade widget]

yeah but gasket mount is gonna make the keys feel nice and bouncy

[oak jungle]

bouncy and softer holy heaven

[humble cargo]

yeah if I was looking to buy my first wooting today I'd go for 80HE no doubt

but I'm in no hurry or need to replace my 60

[oak jungle]

yeah if you have 2he or 60he you don't really need to upgrade

[jade widget]

that's true but ya know sometimes you just want to

[oak jungle]

yeah that's why I returned my 2he for 80he

[real jetty]

sf

[obtuse wagon]

Wonder if a TwoHE and 60HE refresh are on the table

[buoyant solstice]

Of the two I'd say the 2HE is much more likely to see a refresh post-80HE.

[obtuse wagon]

Im out of the dam loop as of late, need to come frequent more again

[humble cargo]

yeah two HE needs it the most

aside from no gasket mount the 60HE is a fine design imo

[obtuse wagon]

Im requesting a transfer at work to day shift, so maybe I can be night watch before bed again, then I will have all the info

[nova nexus]

Full sized best sized

[pseudo parrot]

two he refresh

would so buy one if that happens

[nova nexus]

Me too

[tight cypress]

Me three

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

[buoyant solstice]

I would love to see what Kevin and the team could think up for a 2HE that uses gasket mount more like the 80HE

[crimson quiver]

I mean, it is only fair the next keyboard is four numpads combined into one keyboard, as the last three keyboards did not have a numpad

[jolly tangle]

I would like one for free if we throw wishes in

for ... community support reasons ofcourse...

[buoyant solstice]

[plain aurora]

imagine if left side numpad full size

[steady escarp]

southpaw wooting would go so hard

[steady escarp]

like this

[meager quail]

wth is th atr

[plain aurora]

yeah something like that

[tight cypress]

It's the ugliest keyboard I've ever seen
Combines cramped 75 layout with numpad on the wrong side

[plain aurora]

i agree having numpad on right side feels better if u have to enter numbers and ur left hand is doing generic kb shortcuts stuff while working

i guess a separate numpad with a tkl makes more sense

[toxic zephyr]

I don't know if it's a cramped layout though.. a cramped layout would be the one with everything squeezed together into one uniform block with no spacings at all

[buoyant solstice]

Cramped layout? Did anyone say 1800?

[valid comet]

i agree

im more partial to an exploded 75%

[pseudo parrot]

i kinda like the keycaps

[somber creek]

does wooting have a strap like 60he

[upbeat berry]

what

[somber creek]

the 60he has the take control thing

[upbeat berry]

yes

your question doesnt make sense though

wooting is us the company

[somber creek]

oh oops

wooting 80he*

[upbeat berry]

ah

no

[real gulch]

is there a big strap on the wooting hq

[upbeat berry]

the strap is an exclusive feature to the 60he giving it even more customizability than the 60% traymount already has

[smoky rose]

This is cool

[somber creek]

aww

[somber creek]

num pad on left????

[valid comet]

is anyone planning on making wootility web for mozilla?

[hoary quiver]

isnt it working alreadY?

[humble cargo]

its written for chrome/chromium

[valid comet]

for mozilla specifically

ditched chromium because of manifest v3

[pseudo parrot]

the issue afaik is that mozilla doesn’t want to support webusb

[valid comet]

so i just use chromium for web usb and mozilla for other stuff

[pseudo parrot]

yea that works

personally i’ve been enjoying arc browser despite its bugs for windows

[valid comet]

ok sounds good

thanks guys

[upbeat berry]

impossible as mozilla and apple do not want to implement webusb due to security concerns

google forced it into chromium and thus 99.9% of browsers out there

[valid comet]

good to know, so if i want wootility web, ill just use a lightweight chromium browser

[upbeat berry]

or install wootility

[valid comet]

and my main will be firefox

[upbeat berry]

is the same at that point

[pseudo parrot]

yea installed one is just as good

[valid comet]

on the go mostly, but at home wootility

[upbeat berry]

wootility install is just a very lightweight chromium

without normal browsing ui and such

loading local webpages for wootility

[idle depot]

thats interesting

[humble cargo]

I just use the local wootility

[upbeat berry]

its what basically every installed app of a website is... like discord.. slack and such

[valid comet]

i like how 50/50 everyone is with wootility web and local

its well balanced

[upbeat berry]

in discord yeah

stats wise we see more wootility web use

[idle depot]

steam does the same thing then?

[humble cargo]

ermagerd wooting collecting my datas

[upbeat berry]

it uses CEF to render the website stuff of the store and community parts yes

bit different

but essentially the same

[idle depot]

so most apps are just browser programs?

[upbeat berry]

nowadays a lot of apps are yes

its just easy to develop and also means you can always make a website version of an app (or well an app of the website)

plus its easy to make it crossplatform between windows, macos and linux

[idle depot]

I guess the downside is its easier to exploit?

[upbeat berry]

depends on what you mean by exploit

[idle depot]

Viruses, malware, etc

[upbeat berry]

im unsure how

its basically as secure as a browser

id say non electron apps have a higher potential for exploitation

[idle depot]

ah okay

I was making a guess

[glossy plume]

Question: I got the 80he during the founders compaign and got the extra lekker 45 v2 switches (which i plan on using) Are they pre-lubed like the lekker 60 v2 switches?

[jade widget]

Yes

[glossy plume]

😊

[somber creek]

what mods will make 80he thocky

[jade widget]

It's already pretty thocky stock, pretty much all the normal mods people do have already been added to the stock config

[somber creek]

k

zinc or PCR pros and cons pls

[low token]

Pcr dosent have transport case included and it cant kill person

[somber creek]

lol

what is better

[idle depot]

Nothing it make change the acoustics to be more deep and ‘thocky’

But it’s just material. It’s as the thockfather says it’s all preference

[somber creek]

ok

what is zinc better than PCR and vise versa

[steady escarp]

It’s literally preference dude

Zinc better because you can beat someone to death with it

[somber creek]

ok

[dim sierra]

Imo metal case sounds better than plastic any day

There wont be much to mod on the 80he, best thing u could do is hand lube switches

[somber creek]

ok

[somber creek]

even prelubed?

[twin merlin]

Should we be worried?

[somber creek]

which one fits wooting spacebar: https://kbdfans.com/products/spacebar-foam?

[dim sierra]

Pre lubed is good but hand lubed is even better

[somber creek]

ok. 84 keys 😭

[dim sierra]

Yeah so if slightly smoother switches and slightly better sound is worth it to you

[somber creek]

ok

thx

is the spacebar a 6.5 or 7u

[dim sierra]

Max thock keycaps imo is cerakeys, but u need 60g or above spring

[somber creek]

ok

[somber creek]

what is more thocky

[dim sierra]

Should be 6.25 for spacebar unless some unique layout

[somber creek]

ok

[somber creek]

should i do 60 or 80? im new at this

[dim sierra]

U can google wooting cerakey and see if u like the sound

[somber creek]

k

[dim sierra]

This is spring, lekker has 45g and 60g. Wooting has up to 100g spring pack for u to swap to ur preferred weight

Lighter = less fatigue, so some prefer lighter switches for gaming or spamming keys. While heavier are more suited to typing. But in the end its all personal preferences

[somber creek]

ok imma get 60 then

[daring axle]

about 2.5X the weight of an aluminum one. so if you have an alumonum case on a 60 HE then roughly triple it.

the 60HE weighs 605 grams and the alumaze case weighs 575. so id say about 1500 to 1700 for the 80 with Zinc alloy case. call it probably about 2 Kg for the whole 80HE so about 4 and a half pounds American weight. it will all be guesses until the case is finalized though

[valid comet]

6.25u

what are tye dimenaions of the 60HE+ box and net mass of the entire box and contents

preferably in mm and kg

[somber creek]

thx

[small rune]

No update this week?

[valid comet]

probably working on stuff rn

its not always weekly

[toxic zephyr]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[viscid hazel]

dose wooting 80he got KC certification? theres a new policy in Korea

[midnight iron]

To give clarification on what he’s asking for Calder etc when they see this: https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=217208

[valid comet]

when was this necessary in Korea?

[tidal sleet]

if i pre ordered my 80he like a week ago, will it arrive in august?

[jade widget]

the best estimate is in your wooting hub, chances are if you made the order a week ago you'll be in batch 2 which has an estimate of September I believe

[oak jungle]

yeah early sep

[tidal sleet]

ohhh

can I trust it would ship in early september until the 13th?

[jade widget]

nope that's why it's an estimate

[tidal sleet]

hmmm

if i use express shipping then it would be faster?

[buoyant solstice]

No such thing. Also would be a matter of a couple of days of difference at most.

[tidal sleet]

I have to get it until the 13th otherwise i cant get it

yo how do i see the emails that i sent

[midnight iron]

It’s only just announced now. A lot of pushback from public because it’s typical Korean protectionism designed to make it harder for foreign companies to compete

Comes just when Amazon announced free shipping to Korea and aliexpress/Temu are getting popular in Korea

[warped ferry]

From june, all wootings shipped to korea will be sent to incinerator by korean customs because of this lmao

Original wooting 60/80 might be ok if you guys got kc certification but module versions are still fucked up because those "certification" cannot be applied it becomes invalid if you change switches or sth else on them ☠️

[valid comet]

dang

[jade widget]

sounds on par for Korea

[nova nexus]

Please help us defend against misinformation and mischaracterization:
ALL of our keyboards are KC certified and ARE NOT impacted by this legislation in Korea

[stoic hazel]

I read children toy and waterplay equipment
So no need to worry

Is wooting would like to launch product with low profile keycaps?

[warped ferry]

Module versions are impacted. From perspective of korean customs, original wooting and module version of wooting is different keyboard even though they use same board

[nova nexus]

No, they are not impacted.

Again, all of our products are KC certified.

[wind tiger]

Including loose switches?

Or do lekkers not count since technically they aren't switches

[nova nexus]

I know for a fact that all of our keyboard products get the required certification.

I am not personally aware if our switches get that certification or not, but I am absolutely 100% confident that our development team does know, and if additional certifications are required, that we'll get them added long before products ship

[midnight iron]

it's being expanded to more things supposedly. Electronics among them, but if wooting has the kc certs then it's fine

was talks of even lowering tax free import limit and other bits. The current government in korea is a bit cooked. Lowest approval rating in history and they've just been passing everything the korean companies want them to do

[tiny tartan]

Chaebol op

[nova nexus]

New KC certification requirements in Korea

No need to worry! Our team is investigating if these changes have any impact on any of our products.

Preliminary findings suggest that **none of our products are impacted in any way. **We are of course going to make 100% sure that is correct, and we will communicate this to you.

Currently, all of our keyboard products already have KC certification.

We are investigating if these changes to regulations mean that more of our accessory products require certification. If they do, we will get them certified quickly. We do not expect this to be required, but if it is then we are ready to jump on it and have plenty of time to address it before 80HE shipments start.

I'd like to politely request that individuals who wish to discuss these regulation changes take great care to not make assumptions or to not accidentally spread misinformation. Please allow our team a few days to thoroughly research these changes so that we can say with absolute confidence what the impact is (or is not.)

We appreciate your patience and your trust in Wooting - we've got your back!

[nova nexus]

Please feel free to reference the above pinned message if anyone has concerns on the matter 🙂

[jolly tangle]

yes question here how do u write your address in korea? https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1241238673941463111

[chrome vector]

W

[fallow spire]

This is a good development, something EU should also start moving on when it comes to regular consumer imports.

[fallow spire]

Once it’s inside Korea, this can’t be enforced, it’s at the border.

Even the Module is certified, you can find it on the backside of the PCB and packaging.

[small rune]

No update this week?

[buoyant solstice]

Every other week. 🙂

This week was a livestream.

Next week an update.

[small rune]

👌

[cunning gust]

aliexpress and temu are literally junk shovelers, they offer nothing of value

amazon isn't far behind now that everything is just junk marketplace sellers

[sleek pelican]

tbh i thought amazon already was

[cunning gust]

some things are still okay on amazon but it is trending downward rapidly

[simple dome]

When will production begin?

[oak jungle]

JUNE OR LATER

[jolly tangle]

technically correct

[midnight iron]

Depends on the store

For example you can buy official products from official stores via aliexpress

I feel we’ve had this explained to you already once before

[cunning gust]

I've never mentioned AliExpress in this chat

Those official stores are still selling junk though so I'm not sure what your point is aside from it being "official" junk

[pliant goblet]

The 80he is in a class of its own, the best keyboard to hit the market

[oak jungle]

yeah im sucker for light springs and gasket mount

[midnight iron]

? Literally gateron sells via aliexpress

Kdbfans too

so all the switches available to wooting would have to be classified as junk by that definition

[jade widget]

I have bought a lot "junk"

[cunning gust]

||gateron is junk||

[midnight iron]

Also a lot of iem brands sell via aliexpress

[cunning gust]

Iems are a joke product

[midnight iron]

Ah why am I replying to a troll account

[cunning gust]

Anyone paying $200+ for them is ill informed

[jade widget]

https://tenor.com/view/everyone-is-stupid-except-me-gif-24774868

[midnight iron]

he's 100% just trolling. He started the exact same conversation before

[cunning gust]

So you are just blatantly lying now?

[cunning gust]

Yes?

[oak jungle]

most of things in this world made by China so why aliexpress is problem

[buoyant solstice]

Because aliexpress is full to the brim with knockoffs and shady sellers.

Also zero warranty and consumer rights

[oak jungle]

well it's China there is no way you expect from them any rights

[buoyant solstice]

Fallacy.

Just because everything is made there, doesn't mean everything they make is bad - The important distinction is exporting products made there to your local, western market where there ARE standards and safety requirements things have to pass before being sold.

[wispy trellis]

that's completely wrong - use paypal and you hafe all rights in the world

by the way are the sellers not all bad or evil and will honor proper agreements (or don't and than there is paypal)

bought a hitbox with "mechanical ttc silver switches) it came with sanwa and they sendet me some cheep cherry mx blue hotglued in the switches.. afterwards paypal gave me 2 month later 80€ that's the woerst exoperieance and in the end i became a nice hitbox for 130€ custom made.. so no loss at all

Fact is Paypal is so save that i once paid a scammer 2000€ just to see what he is willing to do or how he tried to scamm.. in the end paypal gave the money back in 2 weaks

[cunning gust]

Grant Stone is a decent example of this good shoes made in china

[buoyant solstice]

Paypal is not consumer rights...

[cunning gust]

^

[wispy trellis]

well it replaces them more than fine jest technicaly your right but in the end the result is the same

[buoyant solstice]

It also has no bearing on whether or not you get what you think you did.

[wispy trellis]

example where it fails?

[buoyant solstice]

God knows how much Temu shit is discarded on a daily basis at customs globally.

[cunning gust]

It's sad how much trash is generated by these sites existing tbh

[buoyant solstice]

Products with zero safety checks, potentially full of chemicals and unsafe in general to your wellbeing.
Or just knockoffs of genuine products, made 40% cheaper and sold at the same price, with none of the durability.

[wispy trellis]

well first one is true and riski if you don't know what your doing that's right 2nd one as long as you see it it's a free knockoff money back

[cunning gust]

You are selling them too high mansen. Durability? Nah they don't work in the first place and or lack half the function of the thing they are ripping off

[buoyant solstice]

It's not that long ago that Ali had a metric ton of knockoff switches, because sellers saw how popular and valuable they were. So knockoffs aplenty.

[jade widget]

Well I've never had an issue, I usually just buy niche stuff like microswitches for mice or replacement pcbs. I'm sure there's a bunch of junk but you could say the exact same thing about amazon

If anything Amazon's return policy ends up creating more waste

[wispy trellis]

actually true same knockoffs are sold in amazon just for more money

[obtuse wagon]

Shit Amazon is slowly turning into the American Ali and Temu

[wispy trellis]

and although as example some things are obvious if you buy GMK Keycapset for 20-60€ you know what your into..

[obtuse wagon]

Most of the shit I see on a nightly bases is a cheap Chinese clone of something else

[jade widget]

Pretty much people are just buying from aliexpress/temu/taobao and flipping on Amazon

[obtuse wagon]

Pretty much, that an big name brands are slowly pulling product from Amazon, they dont do shit about knockoffs

[wispy trellis]

And believe it or not, even big brands do this. For example, Germany's WMF usually goes to China, finds an "awesome or at least above average" product, brands it with their logo, and sometimes makes a contract that prevents the manufacturer from selling it elsewhere. Voila!

[obtuse wagon]

I remember seeing the SS come into my older building back in Florida an they made us dump an entire truck of fake Ray Bans

[cunning gust]

Kek

[wispy trellis]

honestly real raybans are more scam than fake ones.. taking so much money for almost nothing while the fakes hafe sometimes even the same quality

[cunning gust]

You aren't wrong ray bans are a joke

[midnight iron]

yeah at this stage it's not about the platform but the store. You have to check who you're buying from on the site and not just trust/not trust based on the site itself if it's a storefront for many stores

[obtuse wagon]

Alot of it is Amazon directly, I work for them so I see more shit than the average Amazon buyer

[midnight iron]

yeah the whole storing same products in the same bin as knockoff stock is one of the major issues too and it plagues amazon just as much

[obtuse wagon]

Its not all single sellers, most of them wouldnt be able to afford the cost Amazon charges for fulfillment

[midnight iron]

like try to buy darn tough or smartwool socks and you have a 50/50 shot of it being legit since amazon stores the socks in the same bin as the knockoff sellers on their site

[obtuse wagon]

100%

[cunning gust]

I used to work for a guy that bought pallets of Amazon returns went through them and relisted most of it as new on his seller account on amazon

[midnight iron]

at this stage whether you buy on aliexpress or amazon or temu it's more about buying from a storefront you trust and from a product that isn't likely to be a knockoff

[cunning gust]

Or you know

Buy directly from the maker

[midnight iron]

sometimes the makers don't ship to your country or aliexpress is their official storefront for your region

[obtuse wagon]

Sometimes the maker has its own storefront on those websites so that is the smart move

[midnight iron]

in a lot of asia aliexpress IS the official storefront for some brands

[pseudo parrot]

i just buy from wherever is the most reputable and has the best warranty & return policies

[obtuse wagon]

Like the Alphacool shit I ordered, it came from them direclty, seems like they are just using Amazon for listings

None of the product is actually in an Amazon building I dont blame them tho, people dont take care of shit, we just toss stuff around

[midnight iron]

buying certain things that are new from official sellers is fairly safe too normally, since if it's new there's usually not time for knockoffs to happen yet

[cunning gust]

I've seen knockoff things before official products launch

[midnight iron]

That statement doesn’t mean much. As said before it’s about buying from the right place and the right product

For example if a new kdbfans case comes out and you buy it from their official store on launch day it’s highly unlikely you’re getting a knockoff

[dim sierra]

u mean like the looting kb?

[midnight iron]

No no that’s called buying a knockoff on purpose lol

[jade widget]

But where else am I going to get a hotswap pcb for an op1 8k

[cunning gust]

Looting has a better ironic name there is value in that

If a zooting 80HB launched with giraffe branding I would snap it up in a second

[hidden crest]

my looting has been great

[acoustic jasper]

Why are you in this server? All the Hall effect boards wooting makes use gateron 😂😂😂

[primal grove]

true

[glass tusk]

Cant wait for my keyboard, I just have to wait 3 months

It comes August

[burnt yacht]

Is it possible to remove single items (accessory) in my founders order for the 80HE?
Or is it what it is

[buoyant solstice]

Maybe - You'd have to email us in either case. [e-mail]

[opaque panther]

is the 80he wireless or is it like the 60he with the cable

[buoyant solstice]

We don't make a single wireless product.

(No, keycaps and cases do not count, I SEE YOU TYPING!)

[meager quail]

Its wireless if ita not connected

But it wont work

[fallen epoch]

Foiled again

[red heart]

https://tenor.com/view/foiled-again-foil-again-cat-kitten-gif-24575588

[opaque panther]

Why not

[jolly tangle]

wireless bad

[buoyant solstice]

Wireless keyboards aren't quite as useful as mice. They also use a LOT of power with the HE sensors and LEDs

And shipping anything with a battery is a major pain, that we're not currently looking to get into with customs in many countries

[opaque panther]

👍

[unborn drum]

I know there might be some that want wireless, but honestly it doesn't make too much sense for a KB, the only exception being on a couch or some situation like that, so I'm glad the 80HE is wired. I'm so fed up with the battery BS from some brand that starts with Logi. Can't be bothered with that crap anymore.

[pseudo parrot]

i think wireless boards have their place, especially ones you want to use from say the coach, or portable ones to bring outside

but wooting keyboards are usually stationary, also power hungry so i like that they’re wired

[idle depot]

Glad we are still getting the pcb icons still

Was definitely something that made the 60HE stand out

[somber creek]

how many grams are the springs inside the switches that come with 80he??

[upbeat berry]

depends what 80he you got

module or non module