🌟│wooting80he

[last wasp]

More keys = better

[bright inlet]

yea tbh i feel im prolly gonna miss the arrow keys when my 60he comes

[last wasp]

Exactly what I was thinking, decided not to order 60HE and just wait!

[bright inlet]

fair enough i really wanna wait but at the same time it seems so long haha like august or smth is insane

[buoyant solstice]

We've got several videos going into topics.

This is what I'll say - It is not just a 60HE but larger. It is a new generation of keyboard from us, which includes things like gasket mounting.

Don't expect delivery till late summer at the earliest though.

[polar flint]

"starts googling gasket mounting

[half swan]

Depends if you want Arrow and F1 keys and other features, lmao im replacing my 60he cause of that

[buoyant solstice]

https://youtu.be/TbC4UpRDf48

[bright inlet]

ahh if only wooting did a sort of trade in where we could trade in the 60he for money off the 80he or whatever

[buoyant solstice]

ebay is your friend 😄

Get a friend hooked on our products by selling your (cleaned up) 60HE.

[bright inlet]

oh right yeah lol ig i could sell it

what is the VERY earliest you reckon the 80HE will release

[polar flint]

will wooting 60he functionality work if I have another keyboard plugged in for the F1 , numpad ? 😄

[bright inlet]

yeah should do

[buoyant solstice]

Purely based on our last product releases.

[bright inlet]

oh okay thank you, i think im prolly gonna just get the 60he

i can NOT wait for the 80he lol i been using some cheap £8 amazon keyboard for the last few days until my wooting comes. shi so ass like a school computer keyboard 😭

[polar flint]

would like to buy the 60 but i think its quite a bit of $$$ if 80 is coming later this year including f keys and arrows 😄

[balmy gust]

What’s the light bar on the 80HE for?

[nova nexus]

Communicating information

[knotty cloak]

forgive me if this has been asked before, but will there be alternative keycaps that come with the 80HE to swap out the insert key with the home key for example?

[rose crane]

Is there like options when you buy the 80he
Example like other keycaps or other stuff for more money?

[nova nexus]

You can reference the cart configurator on our website for our current keyboards for an idea of how that will look

[heavy flax]

will this be compatible with another case?

i like the case of the idobao id80 crystal

[buoyant solstice]

There are no standards for keyboards above 60%.

[warm vault]

should i get the wooting 60he or should i wait for 80he. is wooting 80he only tkl and the design better or will it have more features

[toxic zephyr]

it has an add-on knob and another mystery add-on

[bronze hound]

80he the same as 60he just a tkl version? trying to see if i should just wait

[buoyant solstice]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[bronze hound]

would it have the same actuation point as the 60he? im not sure if he said it in the video, but my audio is not working at the moment.

[buoyant solstice]

Same switch technology, so I would assume as much.

[bronze hound]

perfect thanks for informing me i'll just wait then

[zenith ice]

what’s the price range. i’m trying to save up for this keyboard. just need a general range

[toxic zephyr]

200~

[winged birch]

Most likely $200-$220.

[glad fable]

they gotta stay around the same price as 60he and full size

which would be nice

[mossy thunder]

How do I know when it comes out bc im getting into this keyboard building stuff

[hidden tulip]

Will there also be the ISO layout option when preordering it?

[glad fable]

Should be yeah

[buoyant solstice]

Yes.

[vernal quest]

the switches gonna be more stable on the 80he ?? than the 60he ?

less woobling ??

[winged birch]

Yes.

It’ll come with the Lekker V2s.

[vernal quest]

what lekker V2 what is that ?

[winged birch]

A new switch, there’s no info on it yet.

I presume it’ll be the KS-20U Dual Rail switch.

All we know is that the 80HE will come with the Lekker V2s and that’s it. 🤣

[vernal quest]

okey soo lets go bro !

this is a good reason to wait untils he drop

this type of switches gonna be compatible with the 60he ?

[winged birch]

Yes, if the Lekker V2s will be KS-20Us then they are already released and you can buy them now. 😄

[turbid vapor]

Hello, would the TKL Wooting Wrist Rest work with the 80HE? Or would I need to buy the new Wooting 80HE Wrist Rest? Sorry if this is obvious but I would like to make sure.

[winged birch]

The TKL wrist rest wouldn’t fit the 80HE so you’d have to buy the new one designed for the 80HE.

You can use the TKL wrist rest but it wouldn’t fit nicely.*

[turbid vapor]

Ahh so the TKL wrist rest does not match the length or is greater than the length of the 80HE darn got it

[winged birch]

The TKL wrist rest is wider than the 80HE, yes.

[turbid vapor]

oh my bad, i was under the impression the 80he was longer than the TKL. I think I'll just use the TKL one instead probably thanks for clarifying on the follow up.

[winged birch]

Np!

[stark flower]

when is the earliest we can pre-order thanks!

[pliant goblet]

we can pre order now, shipping starts the 7th

[stark flower]

how?

[pliant goblet]

go to the website

[stark flower]

its not avaliable ive been checking every day

[pliant goblet]

what country are you from?

[stark flower]

us

[pliant goblet]

okay check either tomorrow or the following day, its getting rolled out country by country, US will take longer to ship in total, so countries like that, that arent very close and will require over sea shipping/air freight may not be avaiable for the time being

[stark flower]

<@&375234916776017933> can u guys confirm what he is saying that it will be available tmrw or the next day in the US

[buoyant solstice]

Also no.

[warm vault]

Should i get the 80he or the 60he? like will the 80he have better switches and features or is it just a tkl version with gasket mounting(i dont know what that is)

[jolly tangle]

if u can wait till autumn the 80he

if u want something now the 60he

[warm vault]

but what will be the diffrence

[jolly tangle]

80he has arrow keys and f keys

[warm vault]

thats everything?

[spark hound]

It's not been fully announced, this is what we know for sure

[toxic zephyr]

it has a confirmed knob add-on as well

otherwise it's just a mounting and size difference

[warm vault]

i sadly wont be getting either of them

[toxic zephyr]

very sad :<

[warm vault]

60he cost about 400$ for me

[toxic zephyr]

brazil gaming

[warm vault]

norway :c

[toxic zephyr]

huh? what are norwegian import duties like

[warm vault]

expensive

anything triples in price if i buy from like amazon and other stores

[toxic zephyr]

yeah but you're norwegian so you're rich right

[warm vault]

no

i got 300$

im gonna get the apex 9 mini (60$)

[toxic zephyr]

good luck with that

[warm vault]

?

[toxic zephyr]

i'm just unironically wishing good luck

[warm vault]

oh alright

[silk hedge]

Just join the eu ez pz

[brazen aurora]

Why are they making a wooting 80 if there’s a full size one already

[buoyant solstice]

Because the 80 isn't fullsize?

[brazen aurora]

Can someone explain to me the purpose of these miniature keyboards

[grizzled cove]

more space for ur mouse

some ppl like the aesthetic

more desk space in general

[amber merlin]

Like me i have a small desk bc my room is smaller than the avarage so i have to get smaller sized stuff myself

[brazen aurora]

So if u have a lot of desk space is there any disadvantage to the 2he

Why does nobody even care about the 2he

[buoyant solstice]

That sounds like a big assumption.

[amber merlin]

the 2HE is greate for productivity but i mainly game on my setup time to time i do some work on it.

[brazen aurora]

Are u intentionally condescending to random ppl for no reason

hahaha!

[buoyant solstice]

Condecending? I am pointing out that stating "nobody cares about the 2HE" is quite the assumption to make.

[brazen aurora]

So you aren’t intentionally being condescending, you just happen to be

[buoyant solstice]

I can't control your brain.

[brazen aurora]

Not ur fault I guess

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[brazen aurora]

If your message is misinterpreted, you immediately decide the fault is on the receiver. What do you base that determination on

[amber merlin]

i just dont like full size keyboards overall

[buoyant solstice]

Let's try a different approach - What makes you think nobody cares about the 2HE exactly.

[brazen aurora]

I don’t care about whether people care about the 2he. You are just condescending for no reason and it’s really cringe HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-then-paul-rudd-nodding-ok-alright-gif-15049681

[brazen aurora]

And then you pretend it’s “not my fault I can’t control your brain”

[jolly tangle]

[brazen aurora]

Continue acting like this the rest of ur life bro, you aren’t being condescending, it’s everyone else’s fault!

[jolly tangle]

yeah man go touch some grass goodbye

[buoyant solstice]

You literally stated that nobody cared about the 2HE as though it was fact - with zero basis for it. I am merely asking about what makes you think that is true.

If asking for clarificaiton is condecending, then power to you I guess.

[amber merlin]

welp

[jolly tangle]

aside from the size

gasket mount baby!

zinc alloy case

knob

wootility!

[sterile walrus]

Wait, the 80 redesign is adding a knob??!

[buoyant solstice]

Calder did mention the arrival of a knob, though details are thus far scarce.

[sterile walrus]

I admittedly haven't been paying attention

[jolly tangle]

it was in an unannounced discord stream

[buoyant solstice]

To be fair I think it was in one of his late night impromptu "lets go on Discord and say hi" streams 😄

(late night EU, morning Taiwan for him)

[midnight iron]

the real important question though is what color will the knob be

[tight cliff]

Also Sno's pinned comment does have a lot of information and Calder's comment about what the LEDs will do is also pinned

Will be interesting to see how the Daughterboard will work

[jolly tangle]

@stark flower rainbow

[tight cliff]

Knobs can usually be customized as long as it fits the Rotary knob, like Guitar/bass knobs

[jolly tangle]

idk tbh

[buoyant solstice]

I'll have to take some time next time and collate all of the information, and redo a big, single sticky.

[tight cliff]

Would be good 👍

Yeah was just the Daughterboard mention i was interested in

Yeah was thinking it was related to the Add-on though?

Aah i see

[buoyant solstice]

Easier and cheaper repairs.

[tight cliff]

Could see that & the custom keyboard builds i've seen usually have them

Yeah

[buoyant solstice]

It also allowed us to upgrade Wooting One/Two to USB C in their late life.

[ancient breach]

Didn't know the Wooting One ever got usb-c ports, that one went past me.

[buoyant solstice]

Only for repairs.

[ancient breach]

Ah,
/me Starts to break his keyboard

[winged birch]

Lekker V2 confirmation should be in the pinned comments, thanks!

“The 80HE will house Lekker v2, this has tighter tolerances with a lot less wobble. We are in the meanwhile working towards a better switch lineup overall.”

[fallen forge]

60he is under 2000 nok from wootings official website though, edit: is there some extra import duties?

[buoyant solstice]

Don't forget import duties on top.

[fallen forge]

that would be insane amount, even if vat is 25% or whatever still far from $400 mark

[slate bolt]

Mansen

Guess what

[toxic zephyr]

yeah I dunno, for me the norwegian toll calculator says just 25% VAT and that's it for keyboards

ahh the screenie is a little fucked accidentally but the value was 220 originally the calculations are with that

not 20

[winged birch]

⬆️

[glad fable]

not exactly new tho 🤔

[tight cliff]

No but good for info overall

[glad fable]

it's like a shadow update

[winged birch]

A week old, either way it is a question asked twice a day if not more.

Shadow update with more concrete info than the actual updates. 🤣

[glad fable]

basically not really v2
not too big of an update 🤔

I can't english good

[winged birch]

Many were keen to know what switches the 80HE would come with.

It is a massive update for most.

[nova nexus]

No new information was presented, therefore it was not an update in any capacity and there's no reason to be pinned.
We are always working on improving our products including our Lekker switches.
Technically we're already on a new major revision given the SKU change from SW1 to SW2
There will be new major revisions in the future, but the specifics of timeline have not been shared.

[winged birch]

This is new info, it wasn’t yet confirmed if the 80HE would come with Lekkers or a new and improved switch. If you don’t think it’s new info, sure. I see many asking about this every day.

Up to you brother.

[buoyant solstice]

Pretty sure Calder's been pretty upfront about switch improvements since day one.

[winged birch]

That switch improvements are being worked on, yes. That the 80HE will come with Lekker V2s, no. This was previously only talked about but never confirmed. Now it is confirmed, which is news.

[vernal quest]

@winged birch so every one confirm , if I buy a 60He, I could upgrade the switches to the next version which will be more stable ?!

[buoyant solstice]

You can swap them down the road, yes.

[vernal quest]

@buoyant solstice really ? this switches will be on sale, not with the 80 he but later and compatible with 60he ( Pov: im French so i have to make sure
to understand)

[buoyant solstice]

Both.

In the 80, for sale separately.

[vernal quest]

the name of this switch is lekker V2 right ?

[buoyant solstice]

Working name I guess, yeah.

[vernal quest]

soo happy

thanks for the help ! have a great day

[hidden tulip]

Is there a big difference compared to aluminium case?

[winged birch]

Heavier.

[winged birch]

Yes.

[south plover]

whats the 80he gonna have? Because i don’t understand how it can get better then the 60he

is there gonna be something game-changing or just slight improvements

[steep flume]

When will the 80he be available for purchase?

[tiny gorge]

It's pretty much just gonna be a mid range size keyboard.

Of course there will be some improvements, such as the Lekker v2s.

[verbal solar]

eta?

[proper lagoon]

Release order from hold😿

[winged birch]

Higher poling and scanning maybe but nothing about its performance is confirmed yet.

[winged birch]

Q2 2024 is the goal.

[winged birch]

^

[opaque panther]

How much is this gonna cost ?

[verbal solar]

200usd

[tiny gorge]

200-220

[opaque panther]

$50 over my summer pc budget

Great

[grizzled cove]

unlucky

[still dawn]

Any new updates on the keyboard?

[grizzled cove]

no, updates are basically every friday and posted in #📣│announcements

[wise laurel]

Any update on this Kb

I’m joking lol haha I just see this message like 20 times a day

[grizzled cove]

same questions always being asked everyday cuz ppl can’t be bothered to either look at pins, announcements, or the website 😿

[tiny gorge]

What's the difference between the 60HE and 60HE+?

[grizzled cove]

💀

[trim sedge]

What is rapid trigger?

[tiny gorge]

I actually don't think I've seen that one yet.

Granted I haven't been in this server very long.

[grizzled cove]

“what’s the price” “when is it releasing” “is it better than the 60HE”

[tiny gorge]

"why my order fraudulent" when they're using a virtual card...

[grizzled cove]

“should i cancel my 60he order and get the 80”

[verbal solar]

100usd pc

[vernal quest]

is the compatibility between the 60he and the next more stable switches like lekker v2 is confirmed at 100% or is it just speculation?

[buoyant solstice]

Yes, any improved switches we make will function with existing Lekker based keyboards.

[vernal quest]

lets goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[dense trout]

Just want to thank you guys for bringing rapid trigger to flaretech switches too, can survive 6 more months with my wooting one TKL.

[dreamy sedge]

i returned my last keyboard and now i have to survive on an old one T_T until the 80he comes out

[steep flume]

april?

[grizzled cove]

yeah probably the end of march or april

[verbal solar]

any chance this board will be capable of modding?

[vernal quest]

of curse its the philosophy of wooting too

[dense ridge]

im surviving on 10 euro membrane full size keyboard xD its horrible

[dreamy sedge]

ewww i touched one today and needed holy water fresh from the pope to cleanse it

[rustic jacinth]

can anyone recommend me a cheap 80% keyboard in the meantime whilst we wait for the 80he?

[toxic zephyr]

depends on what you consider cheap and what you consider 80%

if you mean TKL, which is what 80% actually is then there's many 100€ or less ones from corsair, ducky, razer, whatever

if you want even cheaper then you go china and buy whatever, they are all the same anyway

[rustic jacinth]

I have an asus rog strix animate ii and absolutely hate the software, tempted to go razer for the short term as the software isn't tooooo bad

[winged birch]

Buy Apex Pro, sell it later.

Resell value is pretty good on those.

Especially if you can get one on sale.

[tiny gorge]

There are refurbished apex pro mini's on Amazon for $100, resell it as new. lol

[trim sedge]

razer software :pe:

[obtuse wagon]

I would take Synapse over GG Engine any day of the WEEKKKKK

[trim sedge]

get wooter

[grizzled cove]

synapse kept signing me out so i stopped using it

[toxic zephyr]

imagine having to have an account to use a keyboard

[grizzled cove]

fr shit was so annoying

[buoyant solstice]

Uh... n... no?

[plush kettle]

Pales in comparison to logitechs abomination

[unkempt cliff]

Hi guys, what kind of actuation do you put for RPG's? I notice that I have a bit of the "fat fingering" issue and I think 1.0mm is too quick. I've currently put 2.0 and this already feels a bit better

[buoyant solstice]

I think you're in the wrong channel, friend. Unless you're a time traveller who has the upcoming 80HE already 😄

#🎮│game or #1019723042244534282

[unkempt cliff]

Ahh! I thought I was in the 60HE haha

[buoyant solstice]

[wooden silo]

does anyone have an idea of the price range of the 80he?

if its close to the 60he i might wait

[lapis galleon]

$200-250 most likely

hasnt been confirmed yet however

[grizzled cove]

doubt its gonna be 250 💀

max like 220

[dense ridge]

250 is crazy more for me to be honest

it must be 190+-

[grizzled cove]

yeah calder said a lot of ppl have been giving good guesses so ppl been assuming 200-220

190 would be rlly nice tho

[dense ridge]

im almost sure that it will cost 199.99 xD

[steady escarp]

ya around 200 even seems like a pretty fair guess

[dreamy sedge]

wake m up when 80 he adventure eeeeeeeeends

[jolly tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cocking-pistol-john-wick-keanu-reeves-john-wick-chapter-4-jw4-gif-14490794064585307818

[ember canyon]

just had a question about the 80he

will it be faster than the 60he in terms of response time?

cuz I don't know if I should wait for the 80he or just buy the 60he

[iron bone]

why would it be more than the 2he

[midnight iron]

They said performance increase but haven’t clarified what that means. Honestly don’t buy based on performance though because the difference even with higher polling and scanning is like 1ms or whatever - just buy based on the format you prefer is a smarter choice

[river bay]

personally, 190 is cheap, 200 is prefect, 220 is good, >230 is bad

although finally I will buy it

[steep flume]

Will the 80he be better than the 60he or does it just change the size?

[lapis galleon]

read up a little

[lapis galleon]

another point is that the "industry breaking surprises under the hood" doesnt have to mean more performance

in fact they actually removed that from the product page and it seems they replaced it with "Wooting’s industry breaking features such as rapid trigger, adjustable actuation point, and analog movement."

I would say that if it does end up with more performance then we would be talking milliseconds or fractions of a millisecond differences

[midnight iron]

Nah they’ve said specifically performance improvements outside of that statement

[lapis galleon]

interesting

[midnight iron]

But never clarified what that means. I’m still leaning towards improved mcu though

[lapis galleon]

tbh I really dont know how much more they can squeeze out of a keyboard, the 60he is already impossibly fast

[midnight iron]

There isn’t much really, it’d just be an improved mcu with potential for higher scanning since it’d have more channels

But we’re talking tiny ms gains such as -1 ms or whatever

That said I think it’s still a smart thing to do just because casual people expect those things in a premium price board even if it’s not really affecting their gameplay

[lapis galleon]

gamers want the best without knowing if it actually matter lol

but tbh I doubt the release of the 80he is going to tank sales in the 60he just because it has more performance

people are gonna get the layout they want

[midnight iron]

I’m more curious to see how high the 80he campaign goes

[lapis galleon]

a lotta people have been waiting for this size so im assuming its gonna go pretty high

esp since more people know wooting now

[tawdry fiber]

But do we really think that lowly of Wooting to assume they're a greedy cash grab like every other company? I mean, come on guys: this is Wooting for god's sake.

[midnight iron]

He’s talking about the campaign not the price of the individual 80he. Aka he thinks it’ll be really successful

[tawdry fiber]

Ah, my apologies: clearly didn't read the prior context- I agree wholeheartedly

[toxic zephyr]

I've said it before but people would buy a football-shaped keyboard if it was "better" than the 60he 🙄

shaving that .2ms surely gonna skyrocket them to whatever the top ranks are called in the games they play

[tawdry fiber]

Except these same gamers end up baiting their entire team anyway: what's the point of getting a better keyboard? So you can team-kill faster?

[toxic zephyr]

it just makes me sad wooting bothers to make nice products only for people to care if it is "better" than the last one

I put "better" in quotations because not once do these people specify what they mean with this, I just assume faster I guess

[tawdry fiber]

The 80he just means 80% keyboard: it's not a later revision of the prior 60He. People are thinking this is the Windows 11 upgrade over Windows 10.

So they complain when the 80He is not marginally more performance enhanced than 60He.

[winged birch]

Welcome to marketing my man. Don’t blame the consumer, blame the companies.

[toxic zephyr]

yeah I think it's just the mindset they are in -- that keyboards are not something to be enjoyed, not something to be innovated over, just a tool that needs to be better than the last iteration

[tawdry fiber]

But wait: Wooting was successful with the 60He b/c they were the innovator of analog keys. Shouldn't they continue that trend of innovation moving with the 80He? Except they have no idea how challenging a genuine, significant improvement in electric engineering truly is. LMFAO #get_to_college

[winged birch]

Tbf it was said that the 80HE would get a performance upgrade. Nobody knows what it is yet though.

[toxic zephyr]

which - while nice - is a little pointless as HE boards are getting to the point where shaving more response time off is beginning to be meaningless in comparison to the OS overhead and pixel latency

[tawdry fiber]

Haha, if people want to be that petty, technically Wooting already improved performance by moving the arrow keys 🤣

[winged birch]

8K poling rate in keyboards has nothing to do with reaching a “better” product it’s just to put a bigger number on the box which has shown to sell better.

It’s just marketing brother.

[tawdry fiber]

Wooting never marketed 80He as a newer performance-optimized rendition of the 60He. That point is invalid.

[spark hound]

8k polling can still be slow if the firmware lags behind

[winged birch]

They claim the 80HE will have performance upgrade(s) that the 60HE doesn’t. You can check the pinned comments for that.

[tawdry fiber]

I never said 80He didn't have any upgrades. You're completely on a totally different topic conversation, mate.

[winged birch]

Thought that was what you meant.

[winged birch]

Yeah and scanning is as important.

[tawdry fiber]

That's like saying you would choose the rtx 4060 over the older gen rtx 3060 b/c it's the newer 4th gen Nivida GPU with improved Ada Lovelace architecture with upgraded ray tracking and DLSS.

[winged birch]

It is and most would actually choose it. Most want the best regardless of how much better it actually is. 🤣

[tawdry fiber]

Lol, don't make factual inaccurate assertions just b/c they support your point lmfao. Erroneous claims are still wrong.

[tawdry fiber]

The 4060 is 30% worse in nearly all benchmark metrics than the 3060 while being $100-$300 more expensive depending on what you buy retail or after-market. You are literally saying people would pay more money to get a shitter GPU. The only demographics of people that would be applicable to would be PC-ignorant individuals, which is much smaller subsector of the intended GPU hardware audience.

[winged birch]

That is not factually incorrect, at all.

[winged birch]

I am not talking about GPUs homie.

[buoyant solstice]

As someone who worked in retail. Yeah no. Customers will believe anything you say.

[tawdry fiber]

The cognitive dissonance is real.

[buoyant solstice]

The folks who know what the hardware is, is a minority.

[winged birch]

Most would take the “better” product if it’s marketed as the better product or if their favorite pros use it.

[tawdry fiber]

True: however, you gotta be more rigorous with your definition of hardware- a $5 Target toaster and $2000 rtx 4090 are both hardware.

[tardy gull]

hello, when will be wooting 80HE available?

[winged birch]

Crazy how this went from a comparison between keyboards to GPUs to Target toasters.

[winged birch]

The goal is Q2 2024.

[tawdry fiber]

Nowhere in the description of 80He has any of the Wooting founders claim its a enhanced performance over the 60He as its objective main selling point. The description is simply factual true statement.

[buoyant solstice]

It has however been said many times.

There will be performance improvements in the 80HE over the 60 and 2.

It is not just a 60HE but larger. It is a new generation of keyboard from us.

As far as what that means specifically, I'll leave to Calder to explain, in his weekly videos.

[tawdry fiber]

Your lack of any cognitive lateral thinking bewilders me. I guess Bill Murray's quote is 100% true: "it’s hard to win an argument against a genius, but it’s impossible to win an argument against an idiot."

[winged birch]

What the actual frick is wrong with this guy

[tawdry fiber]

You know what you're doing. You simply straw man my points, take it wildly out of misinterpretation, and then act like the victim.

[buoyant solstice]

Y'all are welcome to debate. But try and keep it civil.

[winged birch]

.

I say the 80HE will have performance upgrades compared to the 60HE, you say I am making things up correct?

[tawdry fiber]

You should look up the definition of "objective" on Merriam-Webster since you clearly don't understand it if THAT is the point you're in contention with.

[winged birch]

You’ve already looked it up for me, thanks but what is your point exactly?

[spark hound]

this is going nowhere.

[tawdry fiber]

It's pointless continuing this discussion. All the points are flying over your head.

[winged birch]

😂😂😂

[tawdry fiber]

Lmfao- if you're going to attempt to ridicule me using an [clown] emoji, at least come up with your own instead of simply plagiarizing mine

[spark hound]

kids, time to tocuh grass

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-in-grass-jump-gif-21351898

[tardy gull]

will 80HE cost more then 60HE or less

[winged birch]

More.

[tawdry fiber]

It's amazing how universally endeared the Wooting 60He. But I was giving some more thought about to what extent the 8K polling rate within the 80He will translate to non-trivial competitive advantage. And it turns out a similar thread found here https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12346 was already actually discussed here, specs tested with the click latency of Wooting's 60He v.s. Razer Mini v2 tkl 8000Hz keyboard: through benchmark metrics, click latency took significant precedence before polling rate. Therefore, by the transitive property, the same—if not even better—click latency integration of 80He already integrated from 60He generation corroborated with 8000Hz polling addendum would truly make the 80He the best keyboard for competitive tactical FPS by far.

[humble cargo]

it won't

[tight cypress]

Thing is 8k polling on keyboard is pretty much only for benchmarks...

[humble cargo]

8khz is keyboard snake oil

[winged birch]

Scanning rate is as important as poling rate by the way.

[tight cypress]

1000Hz scanning/8000Hz polling and you effectively end up sending the same input 8 times

[winged birch]

Exactly.

[tawdry fiber]

Therefore, it would be a humble brag if Wooting advertised 80He has the best keyboard the market has to offer as that technically is the truth lol.

[winged birch]

That’s what I meant with the 8000HZ is just for marketing.

[humble cargo]

its a different thing with mice but even there its kinda debatable if its really a benefit for most

need a pretty fast rig and specific games to properly benefit, or not outright suffer over it

[winged birch]

Wasn’t there an issue with an 8KHz mouse that lagged out systems?

[humble cargo]

thing is these big numbers and specs evidently make for great marketing

[winged birch]

Exactly.

[buoyant solstice]

I don't recall to be honest. But there are some older game engines that definitely don't like it.

[humble cargo]

yes, its an issue with 8khz mice on lots of older systems/games

[winged birch]

I see.

[humble cargo]

cpu can't keep up or something like that iirc

gets bombarded with a lot more usb messages than usual

[tawdry fiber]

Adding on, there are the added software difficulties of integrating an 8K mouse keyboard along side an 8K Hz mouse as the polling rate inputs would interfere with one another.

[winged birch]

Yeah something like that is what I remember as well.

[tight cypress]

I really don't see why turn to 8K polling in marketing
Market it as 8K scanning and say it's instant, when used with USB3, as it uses interrupts and not constant polling for data

[winged birch]

If it was marketed as 8K scanning it’d be false advertising right? 8K scanning is a lot harder to achieve than poling I think.

[tawdry fiber]

I have a theory that one potential workaround around the USB-input overwhelmed CPU is through registry editing of Win32_Priority setup class for higher memory priority and allocation with adjunct Process Lasso + configured Interrupt Affinity for reduced DNS input latency. This is already utilized by CPU users of AMD's 7950x3D- alternatively, the $100 cheaper 7800x3D should have enough CPU cores and threads to handle the load. An overclocked Intel 13th-14th gen K state CPU can also be "over"cooled with a 360/420 mm Arctic Freeze / Corsair AIO setup to maximize the dual 8K Hz polling rate of keyboard + mouse.

[tight cypress]

It sure is way harder and way more expensive, but not quite impossible, and it would net a lot of money from benchmark nuts

[tight cypress]

Don't you think it goes a bit too far? No one would notice 1K vs 8K polling difference on keyboard, and in no way it's worth to configure your OS and stress your CPU for such difference

[tawdry fiber]

Haha, absolutely: it's definitely too far.

[midnight iron]

My guess would be something closer to 4k poll/scanning would be something wooting might aim for with 80he, just based on what is more readily doable with current higher end MCUs

8k scanning is harder to reach on most MCUs just due to channel limitations right now

[tawdry fiber]

Hm, is MCU a newly released CPU architecture?

[winged birch]

I wonder if syncing poling and scanning would be as beneficial as it is with monitor refresh and FPS.

[tawdry fiber]

Wdym "syncing polling and scanning"?

[tight cypress]

It'd work the same, but would it be beneficial? I dunno...
Scan keys from keyboard -> dump to temporary register -> send to PC every cycle
In case when polling is quicker than syncing it'd just send the same input from register several times

[midnight iron]

mcu is basically the controller that will enable a keyboard to scan the key inputs. Currently HE boards use 'channels' as part of the scanning and they use much more channels than traditional keyboards due to the hall effect needing it

[winged birch]

syncing the poling rate and scanning of the keyboard.

[tawdry fiber]

Wait, I just realized you meant microcontroller unit: silly me lol

[midnight iron]

tl;dr is that most mcu even the ones that enable 8k scanning on traditional niche high end custom projects can't do 8k scanning on HE boards just due to the amount of channels needed. It's why even upcoming boards like Rakka and Geon HE are doing 8k polling but limiting to 3-4k scanning

[tight cypress]

We need synchronized 2 MCUs then

[tawdry fiber]

Utilize a dual-channel USB connection to distribute the data load across two USB ports, potentially reducing the burden on a single CPU core. Implement onboard processing capabilities on the keyboard itself to offload some of the work from the CPU. This could involve dedicated chips for handling key scanning and communication.

[tawdry fiber]

@tight cypress @midnight iron Wooting should just hire us instead. 🙂

[midnight iron]

i'd be curious to see which solution that one korean niche builder did to build his 8k scanning HE board. He's the only one I know crazy enough to want to do and follow through with an 8K scanning he board, but last I saw it was still in beta testing

[tawdry fiber]

Is it the same guy who built Tifu's keyboard?

[midnight iron]

nah this guy is a known pcb builder in korea who just does small batches of crazy high end 8k pcb stuff. You can only order through google forms and such in korean

very small niche where he just builds way overpowered pcbs

[tight cypress]

Meanwhile I fumble around to make muxing work on ATMega

[midnight iron]

he's same guy who used to do the first true 8k polling/scanning boards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOImiFmjeVg

that's all non HE stuff though, he only just started doing he stuff in recent days

[tawdry fiber]

Maybe Wooting should reach out to Zaunkoenig for advice. I am currently using their M3K's 8K Hz polling feature with their military-drone grade MCU + PCB and 33% space-grade wire. They are coming out with a new version called M2S with 100% space-grade cable next year in 2025.

[buoyant solstice]

military grade

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-he-said-it-he-said-gif-5286270

[midnight iron]

well it's all doable even by wooting, just that price wise it starts to get crazy high when you delve into these crazy overkill projects

like the non HE 8k scan pcb from this genesis guy in korea is like $200 by itself without the case and everything else

[tight cypress]

Wasn't that just basic STM32F7 iirc?

[tawdry fiber]

Yes, this is such a niche topic of interest that such a prototype is viable for the common demographic but it would cement Wooting's industry-leading position as the first innovator to successfully run a keyboard at a continuous 8K Hz polling rate.

[tawdry fiber]

That was the previous, last-gen M2K. They built a distinct custom-engineered military-grade MCU for M3K with PixArt 3399 instead of 3360.

[tight cypress]

Yeah, yeah, I know how it goes with military-grade stuff
Military-grade encryption - mate, that's just AES256

[tawdry fiber]

However, the alternative MCU has the same 216 MHz Cortex-M7 core that the M2K MCU also has but much smaller: "with a size of just 4.166 mm × 4.628 mm this MCU is only 19.3 percent the size of the M2K MCU, which was a whopping 10 × 10 mm."

[tight cypress]

That miniaturized new MCU is 32F723VEY6 - that's still STM32F7, but smaller https://www.st.com/resource/en/datasheet/stm32f722ic.pdf

[toxic zephyr]

military-sized!

wait that would be pretty big

very inconvenient having a tiny device with a military-sized chip

[vernal quest]

8000hz its juste marketing nothing good for keyboard , its better for us wooting focus on stabilized switches like ROG , there we reaallllly feel the difference ! and can make a big impact on keyboard like asus rog

[toxic zephyr]

they are working on improved switches 👍

[vernal quest]

yes i know and we like it

this gonna make the difference ( with the good software ,latency and analog switch of wooting )

its a luck for wooting if asus dosent sell yet analog RX Rog switches 🥶 but only blue and red

[midnight iron]

there are already very firm non wobbly switch options in HE, you don't really need to go the per key stabilized path

[vernal quest]

as stable as the RX?

[midnight iron]

yeah

[vernal quest]

what is the name of this

[midnight iron]

there's a few options these days, guys in modding channel can explain more but there's gateron jades, ks20u and raptor with stem swap that are all tighter he switches

[vernal quest]

yes but its 100% compatible with 60 he ? no more latency than the originale switch or detection of height probleme ?

[midnight iron]

no issues, particularly if you go the new ks20u which are same travel length and similar magnet strength to wootings lekkers (but they only just came out so people waiting for soundtests and such still)

[sage reef]

8000Hz (scan + poll rate being 8000Hz each) is not just marketing - it's like 0.875ms faster compared to 1000Hz. Almost 1 ms faster is a lot in competitive (also still faster even if lower polling rate or vice versa because they probably don't sync up in some ideal way).

[tight cypress]

I can bet both of my hands - there's no way that anyone will be able to tell the difference between 1K and 8K on keyboard in blind test
It's 0.875ms - 875 nanoseconds

The highest-end monitors have input lag twice that

[sage reef]

competitive games have many exchanges and interactions, it will definitely matter in some of them.
like thousands of interactions in a tournament, especially a team of 5 with 8000 vs a team with 1000.

[tight cypress]

10ms difference - sure
Less than 1ms difference - BS
8K is only to look nice in marketing material and non-realistic scenario benchmarks

[proud portal]

Not to mention that high polling rates also tend to fiddle with games

The best example for that would be 4k or even 8k Gaming Mice. Sometimes Games cant handle taht at all, which makes in game sens faster or slower by a damn big amount. Its all way to new still.

[humble cargo]

a really fast keytap lasts for like 20-30ms for most part

[wind tiger]

very few games have actual issues

more often than not it is just a badly configured windows

[midnight iron]

Hrm transparent wooting 80he plus these keycaps... this might actually work

[wind tiger]

will the transparent 80he be something in production?

[tight cypress]

Hope so, lots of people are interested, including myself

Smoky black/charcoal with speckles

[wind tiger]

would be cool

[tight cypress]

And with these keycaps, low profile, so switches would be visible a fair bit from the side

And maybe some resin blue ones, I dunno

[wind tiger]

the caps just are lower on average

does not mean they show the switches

[midnight iron]

they said potentially there will be transparent option for the founders campaign, then I guess whether they keep making it depends on popularity

[buoyant solstice]

It is something we're actively looking into (and have shown off previously) It's a tricky balance due to the recycled plastic specks, we plan to use in the case.

[wind tiger]

I mean I personally would be more interested in the zinc case, but also would not buy an 80he because I dislike the layout

[wind tiger]

ah, makes sense yea

[midnight iron]

if there's a darker transparent that matches my keycaps I'd be tempted to go for that, but then I'd also want to get the zinc alloy case as well

[wind tiger]

zinc alloy would be coated/painted anyways

cause raw diecast zinc looks kinda bad

[buoyant solstice]

Some people seem to dig that look. Not sure I agree, but to each their own 😄

Might need a polish at least.

[tight cypress]

I was aiming for something like this

[wind tiger]

not aware of any caps that do that

would be especially weird with an apple font lol

since people that want apple font on a custom mech board usually only think of their good boards

like an aek

[tight cypress]

I only like them because they looks clean
But I'm also looking for some blue-themed ones, would look great with black transparent

[midnight iron]

i'd be tempted to cerakote zinc alloy case to this to match keycaps

[wind tiger]

F1 snow

[winged birch]

Translucent smokey case with translucent smokey keycaps. 😍

[wind tiger]

too bad all runs of translucent caps so far have sucked

[winged birch]

haven’t seen any good ones but all I’ve seen were cheap.

Woot could reuse their mold but not sure if clear legends with smokey walls would look good.

[wind tiger]

just reuse the mold

[winged birch]

Literally yes. 😂

[wind tiger]

which one even

[winged birch]

For their double shot pbt caps

clear inside and smokey outside.

[wind tiger]

the inner shot is not PBT (or at least less PBT content)

in general, PBT is not clear

[winged birch]

Why does it have to be pbt if they currently don’t use pbt on the inside?

[wind tiger]

would be less durable if it wasn't

[winged birch]

a smokey outside would be pbt and the clear inside whatever works.

[humble cargo]

not really going to be an issue if the top side is mainly pbt

[winged birch]

molds aren’t limited to a certain plastic right?

[buoyant solstice]

It's all one material.

Oh we're talking keycaps now 😄

[winged birch]

Even better.

80HE keycaps.

Still on topic. 😬

[wind tiger]

pbt ain't clear

you could got a bit clearer than that but it would be expensive and difficult to procure

and adding masterbatch/dye to make it look smokey would not help with translucency

[humble cargo]

clear enough for shinethrough puddings I think, at least when thin or processed enough

not so much for "clear" caps

[wind tiger]

don't take what they say about the materials face value, I would assume they use a POM blend, since it makes production easier

[humble cargo]

if you want clear ABS is the way to go really

[winged birch]

Hmm, it’d have to be translucent smokey, if that’s not possible with pbt then it’d have to be a different material.

[midnight iron]

pbtfans neon looked pretty nice for transparent keycaps

[humble cargo]

its only available in abs afaik

[wind tiger]

oh, true

[midnight iron]

which was abs because it had to be lol

[humble cargo]

but like the main complaint about abs is they develop shine and these caps are typically pretty shiny to begin with

[wind tiger]

initial texture is not dependant on material

[winged birch]

That but with the inside (and legend) clear, which it has to be if the molds would be reused.

[wind tiger]

but with PBT caps often being dyesub PBT would be smoother on average, since that removes some texture

[wind tiger]

wouldn't have to be clear on the inside

[winged birch]

It’d either have to be clear or translucent so you’re able to see through them a bit.

[wind tiger]

just has to do with how these are laid out

[winged birch]

Wooting’s caps are double walled I believe is what it’s called.

[wind tiger]

tai hao ones are somewhat similar

[wind tiger]

doubleshot, so are both the pbtfans neon and these

[buoyant solstice]

I don't like the patterns inside. Should have filled em out imo

[winged birch]

No, I mean the entire inner part of the keycap is material A and the entire outside is material B. If material A isn’t translucent/transparent you can’t see through the keycap.

Man they’d look so sick.

[winged birch]

Here:

[wind tiger]

yea was trying to give an example that specifically had more of those vs the pbtfans neon ones

[dense ridge]

I would like be able to get standard keycaps with transparent case

Dont like transparent keycaps at all

[grizzled cove]

i would like to be able to GET THIS BOARD RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[verbal solar]

need a case with a knob or an lcd screen instead of that dumb led strip above the arrow keys

[tight cliff]

Knob add-on is confirmed and the led have functions?

[verbal solar]

what's the function for the led screen

[verbal solar]

i feel like it's inferior to an lcd screen for the space it takes up as well

it's an 80% layout after all

[tight cliff]

Sure i've seen a few keyboards have them at a few places but don't really need it and sometimes they look soo tacky

[lapis galleon]

lcd screen takes up more power and adds more latency

also adds cost

[verbal solar]

apex pro tkl is only marginally slower than the 60he and it has one

couldnt the same argument be made for the led screen?

[lapis galleon]

tbh im not entirely sure, but currently tachyon disables all RGB effects just to squeeze out as much speed as possible, im sure a screen would take too much power

also im not sure what your point is about the apex pro tkl... yes its slower than a 60he and it has a screen? why would wooting want to downgrade performance on their newest generation product?

[jovial ferry]

Also apex pro doesnt have HE switches on entire board

[lapis galleon]

yep, only on the 60%/main cluster

[winged birch]

Its screen has little to no effect on performance as it has its own controller. Power draw of an 128x30something Oled screen isn’t a lot either.

[lapis galleon]

gotcha

[paper cove]

is it known when in 2024 the 80he will release? will it be the same as the 60he but with more keys?

[lapis galleon]

the general release time is late Q2 aka summer time

it'll be pretty much be the same but its going to have more performance. in which ways? we dont know yet.

[paper cove]

ok thanks

[tiny quail]

did the 80he preorder happen months ago? or are they fixing the layout and opening preorder in the future?

[turbid vapor]

Hello I have a question I would like to ask about the Wooting 80 HE, after the delivery starts for this product and customers start buying and giving review/feedback, will there be any adjustment/fixes/improvements/reiterate from the version that was released on day 1? I guess I am asking this because I came to Wooting from recommendations from others when Wooting was a lot more established. I would like to know whether it's fine to buy at the beginning of day 1 or if i should wait if Wooting will make improvements based on the first iteration. If this is a extremely silly question or offensive, please let me know I don't mind buying on launch, I just have never bought a Wooiting product off launch so I do not know what the experience or quality.

I really want to buy this keyboard for both work and gaming use. The arrow keys will definitely be needed when writing code. Have been following the 80HE updates on YouTube, like the ideas of the wrist rest, custom case, and carry case.

[buoyant solstice]

The product we send out to the first folks is the "final" product.

We may choose to make some improvements longterm, but it's not a "beta" product in any way.

[turbid vapor]

Got it, may I ask were there any improvements made on the 60HE at all? I bought mine last January 2023. I guess I am wondering what is different about my 60HE than someone who bought it earlier without such improvements. And such improvements are usually nits or minor fixes? Wondering because I can't find anything to complain about my 60HE performance or quality wise.

[lapis galleon]

the biggest one was probably the switch from AVR to ARM

more recently they switched to the 60he+

[turbid vapor]

hmm is there any article on why they made this change? would like to read about it

[buoyant solstice]

Video.

[turbid vapor]

from wooting channel?

[buoyant solstice]

https://youtu.be/-7C_UGDns1Y

Skip ahead to the "what this means" chapter.

[turbid vapor]

ah mb i was at the article that had this video but sure will do

thanks for providing that @buoyant solstice , so basically ARM was the MCU moving forward due to its improved performance than AVR. I would assume ARM would be the MCU model choice for Wooting 80HE based on what I watched from the chapter? So I do not think the 80HE would undergo a MCU change after release unless there is a new type of MCU that has better performance and capabilities than ARM. 60HE+ is a change, but very small compared to MCU change to me. Prolly because I had already swapped the case by the time 60HE+ came out, though I believe the 80HE already has plans for a custom case so I'm not too worried about this change in particular.

But if there are no other prior big changes than AVR to ARM, then most likely I'll preorder on launch day (feel free to change my mind at any time). I can't imagine any significant changes Wooting would do with the 80HE after launch (though if anyone has ideas or would like to change my mind, let me know)

[viscid owl]

They stopped selling AVR chips, with the only AVR alternatives costing way too much. This is ultimately what forced the change if I remember correctly

[lapis galleon]

also arm can handle 40 saved advanced keybinds compared to 20 on avr

[turbid vapor]

yes those both are correct

[viscid owl]

It's worth noting they didn't swap the MCU out because of that, it was down entirely to the supply constraint. ARM being a superior processor was just a side meal

[turbid vapor]

^^

[brave leaf]

do we have any info about when the 80he is gonna come out?

[winged birch]

The goal is Q2 2024.

[brave leaf]

aight ty

[jovial ferry]

To be more specific Q2 preorder start and then summer/late summer delivery

[nova nexus]

This was the driving force, yea
Switching to ARM was already planned, but the intention was to do so with the next keyboard not the 60HE

[nova nexus]

Our philosophy is to make the absolute best products we can, and to support them long past their expected lifetime/warranty period.

We still do our best to keep the technologically inferior Wooting One on par with the features we are currently developing, 8 years after the Wooting One came to market.

The same can be said for the AVR vs ARM 60HE; we promised to maintain feature parity through the start of 2024 and kept our word. Moving forward, we have every intention of offering the same great new software/firmware features to the AVR version to the best extent that the chip technology allows.

That said, if over a year from now we figure out a crazy new feature that for some reason could only be implemented with new physical hardware, we don't want to artificially delay innovation just for the sake of it. There's a balance to be drawn, and I hope our proven history of the decisions we've made can help you trust our intentions. 🙂

[trim sedge]

same 👍

[turbid vapor]

thank you the response! i appreciate the philosophy and and understand the approach if there is a new crazy feature that for some could reason could only be implementewd with new physical hardware (i would still probably buy haha), will still be planning to pre-order on launch day unless i got no money 😄

[dreamy sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-iwanttheknife-gif-24405292

i want the woooooooooting 80heeeeeee

[lapis galleon]

soon™️

[grizzled cove]

(several months)

[winged birch]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1205483403638472774

[tight cypress]

Hmm... I think split spacebar would be tough, after all, that's two switches instead of one, so it'd require changes to PCB...

[winged birch]

https://youtu.be/r-qf-bGhHVw?si=3MKDfo-Moh8YgBO6

[winged birch]

Yes it does, either one extra keyspace for a two way split spacebar or two extra keyspaces for a three way split spacebar.

[fallen forge]

where translucent with no speckles option

[midnight iron]

Yeah I'd have been way more tempted to vote c if it was no speckles. Although A was always going to hard win the poll

[tight cypress]

C is perfect for me

[jolly tangle]

B for mee

[real gulch]

C looks interesting

but if there will be only one option, A probably appeals to more people

[jolly tangle]

yeah people are boring

[winged birch]

Black can go with anything. That’s why most prefer it I think.

I like C the most.

[last wasp]

C as founders campaign exclusive?

[winged birch]

Could be but there’s no info on it yet.

[real gulch]

would be cool

[last wasp]

Yeah, it was just a suggestion for the team 🤔

[real gulch]

will the 80He use the exact same switches we have now or has there not been any info on that yet?

[winged birch]

80HE will use Lekker V2 switches.

There’s no info on what those switches will be, only speculation.

We know it has reduced stem wobble though.

[real gulch]

Okay thx

[dense trout]

came to say that white zinc case looks so beautiful!

[gloomy shard]

there is something i don't understand is the keyboard will have a RGB around the switches or will be only the rgb bar that is in the right side only>

[midnight iron]

welcome new church goer

[buoyant solstice]

Through the letters like our other keyboards.

[gloomy shard]

soo it will be through the letters + the bar on the right side

[buoyant solstice]

Yep

[gloomy shard]

that will be soo cool i'm exited for it

[real gulch]

that looks yummy

where is this from?

[buoyant solstice]

#📣│announcements

[cyan sigil]

Did they ever mention if they had the ability to do smoky translucent WITHOUT speckles?

[midnight iron]

actually I'd love cream color even more, but I know that's more of a niche option and be less likely to get as much support

yeah it's a lot more niche, although becoming popular among the cozy/minimalist group, but still niche compared to black/white

mode does a super nice cream that's been popular as a niche color

[real gulch]

ah recycled plastic

cool cool

[midnight iron]

i'd just set it to white

[jolly tangle]

maybe we can see some more pictures?

👀

[midnight iron]

what's interesting is the twitter poll is only 2:1 for black over the other options

but in the discord it's 3:1 or higher

[humble cargo]

everyone just want the boring black look

[jovial ferry]

damn that looks awesome

[last wasp]

This would be the ideal 80HE for me

Soooo sick

[winged birch]

Black and white sell the best so it’d be bad for business to not sell either. The B and C option could be awesome for the campaign exclusive.

[spark hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POURDN0SAPw

[tight cypress]

Starting just as I finished work, nice

[ornate portal]

how much is wooting 80he will be?

[tight cypress]

200~220 or thereabouts most likely

[midnight iron]

I need to plant the seed for other colors now that white has gained popularity. Brown/grey gunmetal zinc alloy 80HE church expansion

[proper pine]

is that the ZINC METAL ????

[midnight iron]

it's just example photo from other board, scroll up a bit for white photos of the zinc alloy

[proper pine]

rn I'm seeing them in the video

yooo that''s fire

[steady escarp]

this is from today's video right?

[midnight iron]

yeah

[steady escarp]

I'm gonna watch it right after the live stream for sure

[proper pine]

I've never been so hyped for a product a big shout out to wooting and everyone who makes this happen. Every update video makes me wanna have the he80 more and more. Never witnessed a company beeing so transparent in the whole process, I really appreciate it :) 💚

[steady escarp]

I love it

[spark hound]

White zinc not yet confirmed but experimented with

[jolly tangle]

yep yap

[verbal copper]

So zinc is better than alu + weight?

[tight cypress]

Definitely heavier

[wind tiger]

"better" is a pretty complicated term

[verbal copper]

I mean sound-wise

[wind tiger]

if there was a clearly better option everyone would do that

[verbal copper]

Brass weight alway takes away the hollowness of a alu board

That is a good thing

[jovial ferry]

cant really tell, one person will preffer sound A and the other will preffer sound B

[wind tiger]

this
also the reason why the brass weight helps the tofu is because it replaces extra room for resonance

[verbal copper]

I have seen a zinc weight in bakaneko board but never seen zinc case, can only assume it would be better

[wind tiger]

haven't seen many in recent times at least

this uses a zinc case https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/product/classic-style-fssk-model-f-keyboard/

ah wait nvm, that one is alu

original IBM model F boards were zinc in some cases

back when money was not an issue for IBM

[verbal copper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kblP2rP-mGM?si=D5p1xcmJ0g6nH7w9

A weight always makes it sound better

[lapis galleon]

the reason why a weight makes it sound better is because it fills the specific weight cutout. the zinc alloy case will most likely not have a weight cutout.

[jovial ferry]

Btw are there any plans for other colours of wrist rest? I would love to get a white/grey one, to match the white zinc case

[lapis galleon]

the 80he is gonna get its own wrist rest, so im assuming it'd come in matching colors.

[verbal copper]

It’s about the density of the metal i think, alu is very light compared zinc of brass, can’t image zinc or brass case would have resonance or hollowness

[jovial ferry]

You say that, but 60HE has alumaze60 in different colours yet you can only get black or blue wrist rest

[verbal copper]

But maybe you are right

[lapis galleon]

the wrist rest is actually going to get matching white and pink versions for the new alumaze cases of the same colors. not sure about the older colors tho.

[jovial ferry]

thats great, so I guess we will most likely get a white one for 80HE then

[winged birch]

Metals reflect. If it’s hollow it’ll sound hollow regardless of density. If it’s not hollow, lesser dense or thin metals can sound pingy, like you said.

[jovial ferry]

thanks for the information 🙂

[winged birch]

Maybe, maybe not.

[jovial ferry]

True, but there is more hope now 😉

[tight cypress]

I had to https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxb12-QzO87NHUKo20JMj0T1nX_15dCdpW?si=5xjT9aAdsS6NOEHK

[winged birch]

I’m 100% (+/- 0.1%) sure those are 20Us, they sound like 37Bs.

[lapis galleon]

brother they sound like HE switches

[wind tiger]

Makes a much bigger difference at least

[winged birch]

😂 I mean, not like 20s/Lekkers (to me).

80HE improvements.
I would like to see:

1: The coil whine present in the 60HE+ reduced or eliminated entirely in the 80HE. I do not know how feasible this is but I hope an effort will be made.

2: The 80HE to be fully compatible with 3rd party stabilizers. I believe it has been confirmed that the 80HE will come with screw in stabilizers so there is no reason not to broaden its compatibility. This means widening the stabilizer holes by 0.4mm.

3: (Triple) split spacebar support. Although a minority, that minority would be extremely pleased with this “improvement”. (Triple) split spacebar would be optional of course.

😃👍

[frail socket]

no

imagine split spacebar on a 75% what a useless thing

you get split on a 60% or 40 not 75

[winged birch]

haha I’d like to see it

and actually use it.

[frail socket]

split right shift pls

[verbal solar]

is the 80he technically going to be any better than the 60he?

[humble cargo]

don't worry, once you grow older you won't hear the coil whine frequencies anyways

[reef ruin]

wtf, u a menace

[winged birch]

imagine split right shift on a 75% what a useless thing

[frail socket]

lmao

still more useful than a split spacebar

[winged birch]

80HE will have some performance improvements, so yes.

[humble cargo]

I doubt it will be faster tbh

[winged birch]

I’d like split right shift too and thought about suggesting it as well but it’d look ugly as shit with the arrows.

[winged birch]

do you consider 0.2ms faster?

[reef ruin]

So true. I'd like a steno prefab for wooting

[frail socket]

idk i just like that extra free key

but yeah might look weird on this layout

[winged birch]

Exactly, triple split space it is. 👍

[lapis galleon]

1. I think a wooting member specifically said the only way to get rid of the coil whine would be artificially lowering the max brightness.
2. I think the reason the 60he has issues with stabs is due to having plate mount stabs, since they wanted to make sure it was tight enough. since the 80he comes with screw in I dont think this will be an issue, but it would be beneficial for someone to check.
3. yeah... nah... this requires an entirely new PCB and mold... again. plus I really dont think most people would use this or want it, it just seems impractical for a gaming board.

[frail socket]

🤮

[humble cargo]

not really since its still way too little for humans to make use of

[lapis galleon]

no

[humble cargo]

bet yes in the specsheet it is

[winged birch]

It’s all about how fast is faster. Performance improvements can mean many things.

[humble cargo]

I don't see why they couldn't achieve the same thing on existing boards though

[midnight iron]

Mcu limitations

Hence why some of us suspect a new mcu in the 80he meaning higher scanning is a possibility

[lapis galleon]

depends on how much higher we're talking about. I suspect 2k scanning and polling, I dont think anything above that is worth it.

[winged birch]

1. Yes, Mansen said that, however, my previous keyboards did not have this and I presume there are ways to reduce it/eliminate it while maintaining full functionality.
2. Yes, Cherry screw ins work with the current hole size but as they’re solely going with screw ins I see no reason not to broaden compatibility.
3. I think 1-3% would make use of it but I would love it man.. 🥲🤣

[toxic zephyr]

I suspect 1k because they didn't advertize anything more, and they would've if they knew they had the capability

just how I see it anyway

[lapis galleon]

I mean we still dont know the specs, and I dont really see any other performance improvements they could add

[toxic zephyr]

yeah I'm guessing they are not adding any

[winged birch]

If not that then what?

[lapis galleon]

nope, its been specifically stated it will have more performance

[winged birch]

So they’re lying?

[toxic zephyr]

yeah and they will probably spin the knob or the mystery add-on as "performance"

[winged birch]

They would def not.

[lapis galleon]

I doubt it

[winged birch]

Performance and add on were separate.

They aren’t in the same branch either.

[toxic zephyr]

I doubt what you're suggesting because it'd clearly be a headlining point otherwise

[lapis galleon]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[toxic zephyr]

no reason to not disclose it as early as possible, you would know if you had 2k or 4k capability by now

that leads me to believe there will be no strict latency upgrades and the "better"ness of 80he is strictly about the new features, not performance

just my opinion

[winged birch]

Don’t think so, it’s still far from production so they might have a prototype but they aren’t sure yet if it’s worth it in production? Just guessing.

[winged birch]

80HE is claimed to have performance improvements. You can interpret it as you please but that’s what was stated.

[pseudo parrot]

You should compare the power draw of your current keyboard with your previous at different rgb levels, also with and without effects and tachyon, I think it would clarify the coil whine

[winged birch]

I use my 60HE+ w/o RGB effects and w/o tachyon. I have two other boards but neither are as bright as the 60HE+ however at around the same brightness I can still hear the 60HE+.

I’ll test both’s power usage, that could be very interesting.

[pseudo parrot]

Definitely, maybe I can bring my keyboard to the lab someday 😂

I’ll have to check my 2he since I typically use without rgb, but the few times I have it on, below 50, I don’t notice any coil whine

[winged birch]

I had a decent usbc power meter but not sure where I put it.

[tiny quail]

is there a way to mod the upcoming 80he to add a knob?

[left warren]

I was not able to watch the complete stream. Can someone provide a chatGPT summary like the last few times?

[winged birch]

The 80HE will have a knob add-on but I’m not sure if it’ll come with it or if it’s a separate product.

[tiny quail]

I see

[winged birch]

I think Mark did that last time.

[left warren]

well I will wait for that I guess

[midnight iron]

well they're clearly not ready yet to disclose a lot of stuff with the boards, even the knob is only leaked because of calder and is an 'unofficial leak' since there's no wooting announcements about it

I wouldn't put any stock into features that are/aren't coming just because of no official word

[nova nexus]

I'm waiting on ChatGPT to have access to the video

[left warren]

lazy AI

[flat crescent]

when does wooting 80he come out?

[nova nexus]

That moment when you try again and this time instead of just telling me it's not ready, it proceeds to hallucinate an entire livestream from its own imagination

[lapis galleon]

chatgpt needs to take its meds

[winged birch]

Goal is Q2 2024.

[slow compass]

So this post was about just the material, no final decisions have been made on pcb layout? (read; knob etc)

[lapis galleon]

knob might end up being an add-on

[slow compass]

You'd still need to change the PCB to support it.

the current 80HE layout makes no sense adding a knob anywhere hence me asking.

[buoyant solstice]

Depends on implementation. We'll talk about knob and other things in later videos.

[slow compass]

actually I guess the "mode" button would make sense to add socket support for rotary knob/switch

[sullen bough]

is the wooting 80 he a gaming keyboard and is it better then then wooting 60 for gaming

[tight cypress]

I'd reckon all HE keyboard are gaming keyboards, since they are faster than their mechanical counterparts

Also RGB

[lapis galleon]

yes and we dont know yet

[tawdry fiber]

What’s the latest update with 80He?

[buoyant solstice]

#📣│announcements message

[feral shadow]

imagine how smooth and clean would be a white matt smokey case like thw C option on #📣│announcements

[toxic zephyr]

like so?

[frigid ravine]

the 1st thing i had in my mind when i've heard Calder say "Its way much heavier and stronger" was, i can finally use it as a weapon and smash others, like literally xD

[proper pine]

Wait, does He stand for Hall effect?

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[slow compass]

I assume there's going to be ae 80HE module? Not a fan of the direction the current case is going.

[lapis galleon]

even if there was, there wouldnt be any third party cases that fit it on release

[slow compass]

That's fine, I can wait a few months.

Hell I can wait a year

[lapis galleon]

to my knowledge theres not going to be a module version, only a barebones version with no switches and keycaps

the case is still going to be included due to lack of third party cases

[buoyant solstice]

Yeah I'm not 100% on this. I understood it as a module, but you are forced to pick a case during checkout?

So module meets barebones.

So you can pick the case variant, without us needing to stock one of each for each layout?

[lapis galleon]

im not really sure. all I've heard is that a case will still be included.

[buoyant solstice]

I'm sure Calder will explain exactly how it'll be in his weekly videos.

[slow compass]

If they include the case I'll return it so they can turn it into a pcr pcr abs case

I have yet to see a company coming close to what wooting has done with wootility.

[lapis galleon]

theres a ton of clones but no one can beat the goats

[slow compass]

Yeah, this year is going to be an interesting one for HE boards I feel.

[plucky glacier]

Like the clear smoked one, just get rid of the glitter. Looks tacky in my opinion.

[narrow whale]

agreed

[lapis galleon]

pretty sure they did a vote earlier and speckled smokey won

around summer

no

[plucky glacier]

Wow, missed that one. Seriously have to wonder if the hater's are trolling Wooting if this won. Mind you, I like the 60% but I need the function keys unfortunately. If they would have released that or a tkl I would be more enthusiastic about this.

[turbid vapor]

is the wooting 80 HE going with website or video design? not sure if i missed something in the latest video

[winter coral]

Ah pity, I had hoped that the sides of the zinc case would be plain to look more elegant.

this edge moulding... somewhere it always reminds me of it. I haven't figured it out yet.

I had seen something before that looked like this... damn I can't remember

oh on twitter is a white transluent...is that image here on discord as well?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF5mktIaMAAzYAX?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[steady escarp]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. The menu button? Where do you see mode

Oh that swaps profiles

On 60He for example you can have 4 profiles with their own binds and effects etc all on board

as far as I know, no

[fading timber]

Anyone know the cost for wooting 80?

[steady escarp]

not annoucned yet

[fading timber]

Guesstimate?

[silk quartz]

should be in between the price of 60HE and W2HE

[buoyant solstice]

All keys can be moved around.

[glad fable]

Mansen is blue now?!

[steady escarp]

wait whnat

so you don't work for wooting now?

[humble cargo]

mansen fired rip

[steady escarp]

yeah you can do whatever you wnat

on the 60HE there's even an FN2 layer so you can have combos with 3 keys

[silk pagoda]

Wait really ? ;-;

[steady escarp]

there's both a windows software and web based

so you can use it anywhere via a browser

[jolly tangle]

please dont spread misinformation. hes taking a break from discord. so he can spend more time on customer support

[silk pagoda]

Oooh I see 👀

[steady escarp]

I think he was joking but I could see howw people would get confused lol so ty for clarification

[humble cargo]

was a joke fam

[silk pagoda]

I thought it was true because he lose some of his roles 😅

[humble cargo]

more people are gonna ask tho so may as well have a pr response on hand

[silk pagoda]

But I'm dumb 🙃

[buoyant solstice]

I removed them to avoid getting pinged constantly.

Which in hindsight seems to have had the opposite effect.

[silk pagoda]

Okay, it's very understandable 😅
Have a nice break from discord ^^

[slow compass]

having a break key on a 2024 keyboard is so funny to me

[half raptor]

when will it be released?

[jolly tangle]

summer

if things go ok

[steady escarp]

btw twitter links work again

no vx needed

only thing that doesnt is video previews in discord for viideo links without the vx or fx etc

oh really?

did not know that

[pseudo parrot]

I’m torn between options b and c, probably leaning more towards b

[steady escarp]

oh yeah you right only shows the first one

translucent goes so hard

[pseudo parrot]

Neat, but if it’s between this or zinc, I’d get zinc no doubt

[wise flower]

the smokey transparent with stuff in it looks so dirty

[steady escarp]

yeah without the flakes it would be great

[wise flower]

if it was completely clear id like it

but ngl b looks realy nmice the specles fit in that theme

[verbal solar]

stealth w/ speckles ftw

[buoyant solstice]

Won't have to imagine for long.

[wraith warren]

Does translucent let RGB through? Which could cause a bloom effect 😮

[buoyant solstice]

Not really. LEDs point up through the PCB. There won't be much light on the side and bottom of the case.

[nova nexus]

Certainly more than a black case though

I think it's a neat effect 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

If it's anything like the 60HE, it is a very faint effect sadly.

My transparent purple case was pretty dim.

[nova nexus]

I guess the only one I saw was a clear sample to evaluate the mold not a translucent/smokey one, so not really sure what the effect there would be

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/@Wooting/videos
I recommend watching the 5 most recent videos. All about 80HE.

[wraith warren]

I would be willing to pay to have the transparent one, I'm sure I could make something beautiful with White “Thermoplastic” Keycaps which the RGB could ricochet more off the case.

[river bay]

tbh, mechanical keyboard is actually an electronic keyboard and not a real mechanical structure, so I think A is the best

It seems unnecessary to see inside but special RGB

[winged birch]

A mechanical keyboard was dubbed “mechanical” because of its switches.

You can of course argue that a typewriter is more mechanical than a modern day mechanical keyboard. 😉

Technically every modern day keyboard is electromechanical.

[river bay]

You got me

I was just about to say that

[winged birch]

Shouldn’t there be an 80HE feedback thread within this channel? A thread only for feedback/suggestions and not for chatting/questions, ‘cause how is anyone gonna read through all of this? 😂 Seems rather inefficient to gather feedback this way. 🤔

[viscid owl]

Well feedback was absorbed and the 80HE was changed as much as they possibly could without drastically altering the moulds and circuits

[winged birch]

Feedback doesn’t stop there. There will be feedback and suggestions throughout the 80HE’s entire development process.

[viscid owl]

My point was that the Wooting team seems to find this current system sufficient for feedback

[winged birch]

Not sure, most feedback gets lost in this channel unless you go through each and every message (which takes a long time). A thread within this channel solely for feedback and or suggestions would act like a filter and is only beneficial to gather feedback efficiently.

[nova nexus]

We continue to parse the comments shared in this channel as well as #1141096226884956181 🙂

[winged birch]

#1141096226884956181 is very efficient but it is not for the 80HE’s feedback or so I was told. Hence my suggestion to bring #1141096226884956181 to this channel instead. 😅

[half raptor]

can I get a test example of the 80HE to give feedback?

[buoyant solstice]

[humble cargo]

I have almost two years combined experience using two HE and 60HE, clearly am the candidate of choice

[dreamy sedge]

youre cleary biased 😛 i could compare them to regular brands like corsair 😄

[half raptor]

if I get mine I will keep that in mind and send it to you bros 🙂

your reactions made me smile

[buoyant solstice]

Create a thread, if you feel the need to?

[winged birch]

Gathering feedback through a #💬│general , #🐸│memes , #❔│faq #📣│announcements and #war channel on occasion seems like a nightmare. 😉

[winged birch]

V is right, a new thread requires moderation. I don’t think it’s for me to decide to create one.

[main dust]

Is there a ChatGPT summary of the last livestream?

[tight cliff]

Mark was waiting for ChatGPT to access the video, don't seem like he's posted anything yet

[winged birch]

I don’t think so. Mark was trying but ChatGPT said “no thanks” I believe.

[main dust]

Ok

[meager magnet]

80he looks clean af

[sleek pelican]

it is

[agile tusk]

i cantt wait to cop an 80he woot woot

[quasi remnant]

transparent keys sound so sick, ive never seen such keys before

[spark hound]

Pudding caps they are called, I've used them for a while but recently removed them.

[dense ridge]

never seen? probably u are new in keyboards market! every cheap gaming keyboard has them like hyperx etc

[glad fable]

full transparent keycaps look fine to me but I genuinely just hate pudding keycaps

like these look nice

[gaunt bronze]

transparent > pudding for sure

[hidden crypt]

sorry I am new, is there already a release date?

[spark hound]

No

Also check the pins if you want to know more

[winged birch]

Goal is Q2 2024 but there may and most likely will be delays.

[winged birch]

This but double shot pbt+abs legends, recipe for the cleanest translucent smokey keycaps.

[winged birch]

@jolly tangle I believe you said this.

If this: #🌟│wooting80he message is fine I will. As it’s quite the hinderance to read through each and every message to keep up with feedback and suggestion for me, let alone for people that don’t live in this channel. 🤣

[jolly tangle]

If mansen sais its ok. its ok.

[winged birch]

Feedback Wooting 80HE

[winged birch]

🙄 An attempt to organize the 80HE’s feedback.

[dense ridge]

coil whine ?! Oo

is there coil whine on 60he?!

[viscid owl]

On the 60HE+ module when LEDs are turned up high from the LED controller

[dense ridge]

@viscid owlon all units ?

[viscid owl]

Looking over past chat history it seems to be a common occurrence on the 60HE+
Keep in mind this is the 60HE+ version with no case, and that requires you turning the LEDs way up according to what others have found.

I have not tried the 60HE+ myself, only the regular

[buoyant solstice]

On the 2HE, on the 60HE.

[compact wasp]

You mean the leds on high brightness?

[buoyant solstice]

If you ramp the LEDs up real high, you may be able to hear a whine - if you have excellent hearing (and are under like ... 30)

[pseudo parrot]

On my 2he I notice it only with tachyon on and as well as with high brightness, never otherwise though

[dense ridge]

so is it like that on all wooting keyboards?

[viscid owl]

sucks the human ear shits itself as you get older
Need cyber ears

[dense ridge]

will it be fixed in 80he? im super sensitive to coil whines

[buoyant solstice]

It's just physics.

[compact wasp]

Who plays with leds on high brightness 🤷‍♂️, medium is already to much for me haha

[jolly tangle]

mee

[lapis galleon]

literally just an LED issue

[dreamy sedge]

ive watched a doku about the japanese dude who invented blue leds now i know why they are the first to shit the bed

[scarlet bison]

Are the ISO variants gonna be available on release too?

[zenith ice]

would the zinc heavy alloy case cost more? or is it going to cost around 220 still

[dense ridge]

they will probably sell it for 50 euro minimum

50-70 i guess

[hidden tulip]

well the aluminium case was about 100+ so idk

[fallow spire]

The magnets under each switch work as a speaker for any coil whine, if you plug only the PCB you’ll have no coil whine.

It’s not impossible to prevent, but it is made extra difficult. Unless you just remove the LED

[winged birch]

Oh interesting, I thought it was the LED controller causing the noise rather than the LED itself. Bummer but thanks for the insight!

[viscid owl]

So the switches themselves due to the magnets are acting as speakers, weird.

[zenith ice]

wait so how much will i have to pay if i wanted the wooting 80he in the zinc heavy alloy case

[winged birch]

Dead silent it is not but 90% less audible than with switches. I presume it wasn’t (as) present in the Apex Pro because its LEDs weren’t below the switch.

[fallow spire]

It is essentially the controller doing it but it’s the amounts of pulses through the traces causing it

[fallow spire]

I mentioned the LED, to make the topic easier to grasp, it’s not the LED itself doing it.

The traces basically act like a coil. The LED controller send pulses through the traces at high frequency.

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-star-wars-learning-am-i-gif-16531775

IIRC people covered the component that caused the noise in glue to reduce the noise, would that work for this controller as well? https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-to-quickly-easily-fix-coil-whine-coil-choke-noise.294015/

Could be a worthy “mod” to do if it’d have any effect at all.

[buoyant solstice]

We already lather the entire PCB in an anti spillage coating.

Which covers traces et al.

[winged birch]

You mean glue wouldn’t stick because of the coating?

[buoyant solstice]

No. In the sense that everything is already covered.

[winged birch]

Oh, yeah well, I mean like this:

The coating is a thin layer not doing much for reducing coil whine I don’t think, nor is it meant for that.

[floral pivot]

WHEN RELEASE GIVE EST PLZ

[winged birch]

The goal is Q2 2024.

[floral pivot]

q2 wtf is a q2

[winged birch]

Second quarter of 2024.

[floral pivot]

oh so prolly just cop 60 then

[winged birch]

If you like the 60HE, yeah.

[floral pivot]

i want the f button

[winged birch]

If you can wait like 5 more months for the 80HE.

[floral pivot]

oki pog

but when it come out imma havbe to wait like 3 months cuz all the bots gon snipe it tho rite

[sacred marsh]

Is the Wooting 80he a tkl?

Or am I very wrong. 😭

[winged birch]

No, the campaign/preorder will start before. You can order then to guarantee yourself a board.

[winged birch]

It has 4 less keys than a TKL.

[sacred marsh]

I got a apex pro tkl atm

Old gen not new gen

[winged birch]

If you don’t think you’ll miss those 4 keys, the 80HE would be one heck of an upgrade. 😄

[sacred marsh]

Oh I already bought a 60he 😭

I need a 60 percent again the feeling of a 60 is just so nice

[pseudo robin]

You know why they decided to go with the RGB bar?

[toxic zephyr]

no, there isn't a limited batch available

there is basically an unlimited one as they can just produce as many as are ordered during the first couple months

[winged birch]

Aesthetics and a form of UI which can display keyboard information and maybe volume.

[wispy finch]

the woothing80 he going be fast like 60 he?

[jolly tangle]

very very fast

[wispy finch]

alr

[winged birch]

Potentially faster as it is said to have some performance improvements over the 60HE.

[wispy finch]

hmm

[eternal scarab]

Im so glad i held off on buying the 60he cant wait to buy this one when it drops

What do you guys think the price will look like

[tight cypress]

Around 200~220?

[eternal scarab]

Usd

So 300cad ish

[tight cypress]

More or less, yes

[eternal scarab]

Whatever we ball. Maybe ill make it my first modded keyboard too

[tight cypress]

Just keep in mind that besides 60% modding options are... really limited

[midnight iron]

This is why we shall embrace new churches, such as the newly founded church of the light mocha 80he zinc alloy

[eternal scarab]

I got this silly 75% board to mod it and i never did any with it. Are u saying the best layout to mod is 60% boards?

[buoyant solstice]

More like the Mocha heresy.

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-knight-father-bread-boys-crusader-gif-18266778

[eternal scarab]

Like limited how?

[buoyant solstice]

Cases, plates, things specific to a form factor.

[tight cypress]

Great 80HE schism of 2024

[eternal scarab]

Ah

Well I'm starting light probably just gona buy some new keycaps

Maybe idk i might like the stock look and keep it

I just hate 60% cuz mo arrow keys

[pseudo parrot]

Matcha green 🍵

[pseudo parrot]

I’m excited for the white zinc, might pick that one up

[fallen forge]

british racing green

[wind tiger]

💀 the tofu and the F1 8K in one message offend me

[winged birch]

Bare metal zinc enjoyers:

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

Anodization 🤮
E-Coating 🤮
Paint 🤮
Bare 😎

[wind tiger]

ok, show your zinc then

real zinc enjoyers should always have it in reach

[dreamy sedge]

i need fkeys so the 60he is off the table atm but man the wait is killing me

i think i will just print out a picture of the 80he and put it over my old keeb

[tight cypress]

Get 60he and 4 uwus

[dreamy sedge]

stonks xD

[winged birch]

“This sphere cured my mortality.”

[tight cypress]

Clearly, that's a zinc death star

Or heavy duty stress ball