🌟│wooting80he

[winged birch]

Not yet known with which switches the 80HE will ship. Probably the new dual rail Gaterons.

[buoyant solstice]

It'll ship with our existing switches.

[sage reef]

but improved right, tighter housing

[winged birch]

Really?!

[winged birch]

“Existing”

[sage reef]

they already said this before man

[buoyant solstice]

What Calder has said is that we've working on switch improvements all across, not specific to the 80HE. And that he wants to sell third party switches as well.

[sage reef]

they said same but with less wiggle, tighter housing

[winged birch]

nah nah nah

[winged birch]

Interesting, I’d have expected the new Gaterons as they’re out now already..

Maybe they have too many Lekker switches left 🤣

[tight cypress]

What's wrong with Lekkers?

[sage reef]

I'm pretty sure they said tho that 80HE will ship with same switches but tighter housing, can't find it now. maybe not like first batch or something.

[severe merlin]

How do they compare to the Lekker L60 and L45?

[sage reef]

I need that original 80HE, now that keys moved (livestream) 🙏

like 6 weeks more waiting because having to change 4 molds, Arrowgate wasn't worth it

[vapid storm]

what is six weeks? a miserable little pile of secrets

[buoyant solstice]

Throws mold on floor

HAVE AT YOU

[supple ember]

dont think they said that

[sage reef]

Arrow-gate ruined gradual release of features too

they should have just stood their ground and released new features, and people would start focusing on that instead of tunnel-visioning on arrows (when there was no new info on features except lightbar picture that wasn't even finished).

how many original 80HE made? please let me order the original one when the shifted one is released (even if it's demo and/or been used).

[buoyant solstice]

Only a handful of prototypes. They won't leave the company.

[sage reef]

ok, but if something changes, please keep me first on the list

[vapid storm]

sorry but you're 11th

[jolly tangle]

@fallow spire make the white zinc alloy happen sir !

[midnight iron]

i knew it. The church of the white 80he zinc alloy is growing daily

[tranquil void]

Is that a challenge

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-joker-yes-yes-gif-20144097

[glad fable]

noo beat me to it

[nova nexus]

Instantly lol, nice

[glad fable]

Black Zinc Alloy Case for 80HE btw

[tight cypress]

I really like how Smoky Black/Charcoal looks, especially with speckles

[buoyant solstice]

It's awesome. Wish I could get matching keycaps in Nordic for it.

[fallen epoch]

I just like wooting

I woot every day

[sage reef]

we also so more of that small compartment on the side more clearly

[midnight iron]

the smokey black with pbtfans neon would look slick

[fallen epoch]

Anything transparent is really cool

[sage reef]

transparent zinc when

[fallen epoch]

Ooh

[upbeat berry]

i can send you a free transparent wooting 60he

with transparent pcb, switches and switchplate

and transparent magnets, and wire

[vapid storm]

the emperor's new wooting

[fallen epoch]

Holy moly, i just got it

[wind tiger]

zinc a'loy

[glad fable]

with blue backlighting fr fr

[upbeat berry]

NO

[fallen epoch]

Pretty solid if i do say so myself

[wind tiger]

transparent alu case when

[upbeat berry]

translucent wood case

[fallen epoch]

Id eat it

[wind tiger]

you can get alu to be much more transparent than wood

[upbeat berry]

aint looking as cool though

[wind tiger]

yea but it is bulletproof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnUszxx2pYc

[upbeat berry]

anything is given it is thick enough

[fallen epoch]

Edible lekkers when though?

[wind tiger]

just go to the netherlands

[fallen epoch]

You got a point there

[upbeat berry]

also isnt ALON mostly not aluminum

[wind tiger]

unsure

ik the us military doesn't use full aluminum glass windows but just coating

[upbeat berry]

if i recall right (since this came up like months ago as well) its 30 or 35% alu

and the rest is the oxygen nitride thing

[wind tiger]

ah, yea maybe

[upbeat berry]

tbf idk how much wood is in transparent wood

[wind tiger]

I mean you just reduce contents out of wood, don't you?

[upbeat berry]

yesnt

you remuse the lignin

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUU3jW7Y9Ak

[upbeat berry]

the actual cellulose remains there

[wind tiger]

ligmin nuts

[upbeat berry]

and you replace the lignin with smth transparent usually epoxy

[fallen epoch]

Actually looks like a gummy

[jolly tangle]

ypure missing the point @midnight iron

[upbeat berry]

i know transparent wood is like 80-90% optically transparent

[fallen epoch]

Would definitely eat it

[jolly tangle]

calder talked too much on stream

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-rude-what-the-oh-no-you-didnt-gif-19621216

[upbeat berry]

so wood is typically 25% or so lignin which means transparent wood is more wood than transparent aluminum is aluminum lol

[wind tiger]

lol

[sage reef]

Calder vs Gateron arc

[wind tiger]

thing is class keyboard cases are a thing, so aluminum glass cases could be a thing

[upbeat berry]

wood cases are also a thing

[wind tiger]

I doubt you could make a transparent wood cases due to thickness and warping

[upbeat berry]

let me dream

[wind tiger]

waiting for this one https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121191.0

dc about the epoxy ed tho

[glad fable]

that would be so light 😮

[buoyant solstice]

When it isn't hilariously expensive.

[wind tiger]

no

[jolly tangle]

a mouse needs to move a keyboard doesnt

[wind tiger]

would be more equivalent of making an already heavy board but then giving you the option to put lead weights in it to make it a bit more lobsided

[sage reef]

but why they don't talk about why everyone focused on arrow keys in the first place? the arrow keys themselves weren't the blind spot as much as announcing only the picture of kb without any other info on additional features, and also without some secret addon, and without revealing clearly how lightbar will work.
I mean they kind of talked about it, but seemed more to blame arrow keys than presentation of them.

[midnight iron]

The church of the white zinc alloy 80HE recruited many members today

[winged birch]

Different springs.

Still reactionaries? @sage reef

[sage reef]

of course

[winged birch]

Very well.

[spark hound]

its getting annoying :p

[winged birch]

Oh please

[spark hound]

any news besides the case showings?

i had to drop out earlier

[winged birch]

Confirmed arrow alignment, not shipping with new switches, barebones options

2 month delay.

[supple ember]

founders campaing gonna be delayed for 2 months more or less

[spark hound]

ok heard those as well.

[supple ember]

they didnt say anything about a delay past q2 tho right?

[winged birch]

2 months could mean late Q2 but I’d expect Q3 honestly.

[polar storm]

thank god i bought the 60he for the meantime

[magic steppe]

So still waiting a 75% or TKL...

[spark hound]

wait 2 years

[dense ridge]

whats wrong with 80he? if the arrow keys are shifted to the right? its almost tkl

[frail socket]

its a 75% already

[magic steppe]

What does it change if they are shifted to the right or to the left? Still looks almost the same

[frail socket]

if they had called it 75he maybe some people would have been happier

[dense ridge]

no, it looks more tklish

[frail socket]

or they maybe think 75% is only one row of function keys, arrow keys and a knob and they would be wrong

[dense ridge]

so tell me whats wrong with 80he?

[kind vine]

That's only because there is no option
C: make it a regular tkl.
or even option
D: make it a regular 75%

[jolly tangle]

read

the

pin

[quartz trellis]

Wooting: creates a TKL
75% people: We want 75!

Wooting: creates a 75
TKL people: We want TKL!

the 80HE is the perfect middle to piss off everyone

[wind tiger]

how long has the frog been in stock now?

[quartz trellis]

what frog?

[wind tiger]

frog tkl

not to mention the thousands of already existing TKL customs that are all compatible with the same PCBs

[severe merlin]

Are the springs lighter or heavier?

[quartz trellis]

well, there's the L80 and L100 springs soon

and for the heavy key smashers: L5k

[severe merlin]

Yeah but I want lighter.

[quartz trellis]

L45's aren't an option for you?

[tight cypress]

L45s are lighter than L60s, and soon there will be even possiblilty to make L35 #archived_the_lekker_switch message

[severe merlin]

Yes they are, but some people are saying it's going to have a completely new switch.

[supple ember]

keep waiting bucko

[quartz trellis]

why would they release an entirely new switch?

[barren forge]

There is even gen 2 Gateron switch now

[quartz trellis]

just because Gateron released a gen 2 version doesn't mean it's going to have an impact on Lekker switches too

[jolly tangle]

they will have an improved switch for the 80he

[severe merlin]

No Gateron are making Dual Rail switch and some people said it will use those.

[jolly tangle]

and that comes to all the keyboards

[severe merlin]

But are the new switches ligher or heavier?

[barren forge]

There you go Gen2 Gateron dual rail switch

[jolly tangle]

it will just wobbles less. a bit tighter tolerances

[nova nexus]

*We will continue to improve our switches and develop new switches. Also we're making an 80HE. These are independent 🙂

[barren forge]

To be honest I love the 80HE, don't understand why everybody so pissed

[sage reef]

but tighter housing tho right, with slightly improved current switches

[quartz trellis]

wasn't there another brand already that released an improved version of the HE switches?

[sage reef]

I like the original

[barren forge]

So it would reduce in width? better case compatibility?

[jolly tangle]

thats what i am saying right? no?

[real gulch]

waiting for the 40mm travel switch

[jolly tangle]

sorry mark

i read that wrong

its independant

here in the south were drinking

at friday

[sage reef]

well with additional delay now, will probably be with improved one

[quartz trellis]

60% actually doesn't have a standard either. Every 60% keyboard has a different USB and screws placement

[tight cypress]

You mean these ones which were promised to be included with Looting68?

[random oxide]

The only standard really is the cheaper tray mount boards

All decent custom 60 percents are usually gasket and are not swappable either

[supple ember]

not new switches, improved ones

[nova nexus]

Can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning

[quartz trellis]

Wooting just went with the USB and screws placement that was the most common

[jolly tangle]

truest truth

[quartz trellis]

sadly not

[weary knoll]

tldr about the livestream?

[quartz trellis]

75 is slowly following a trend, but it's still far from being a standard

[weary knoll]

i guess you are minority

because top 2 post of wooting subreddit

[sage reef]

about 6 weeks delay, no more gradual updates on features because of new layout, shifting arrow keys

[weary knoll]

are people complain about 80he

(please no "people on reddit are stupid" agrument)

[weary knoll]

thank you sir

[weary knoll]

about nearly 3 years

also black and sliver Frog tkl will be in stock in 5 days

about 80he opinion? not much different

[winged birch]

No new switches for the 80HE sadly.

[nova nexus]

@winged birch

[weary knoll]

they could have gone with h87/h88 a like pcb

[winged birch]

Thoughts: https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1195394399706808441

[weary knoll]

since most of the mounting is on the plate anyway

but still, not exact easy to find the case

[supple ember]

why

[midnight iron]

it would have been a little funny though if they did have a frog tkl compatible board to just read the replies from people expecting a cheap case then seeing the frog tkl price for 'budget' geon option

[winged birch]

Read the first part of the post.

[weary knoll]

geon already has tiger lite for that i suppose

[midnight iron]

I do find it funny geon is the sole person keeping that board around by constantly rebuying more

[severe merlin]

What switches does it come with?

[winged birch]

Barebone or Lekkers I believe.

Barebone meaning no switches and no keycaps.

[tight cypress]

If it's ought to be 65HE, it should be a bit more narrow, like 60HE with one more column of keys - people are usually buying smaller keyboards to save horizontal space on the desk, not vertical after all. But then why introduce 65HE, when 60HE exists? And why introduce 65HE, when 80HE is just a tad taller and doesn't interfere with desk space?

[sage reef]

69%

[severe merlin]

What Lekkers would it come with? The L60 or the L45?

[winged birch]

Probably 60.

[severe merlin]

So then I have to replace every switch💀.

[winged birch]

This would be an exploded 65%. Not uncommon. It’s that many don’t want or use the F-Row but do want arrows. This is an easy and cheaper way to achieve that.

[winged birch]

No, you could order a barebones one and order the 45s separately.

[supple ember]

you can probably choose

[severe merlin]

I hope so.

[winged birch]

I doubt it, it’d be a lot of work for them.

[supple ember]

?

[severe merlin]

What is Dual Rail?

[winged birch]

It also establishes a style which the 80 and 65HE would share. Can be quite significant.

[winged birch]

Two rails on each side of the stem instead of one.

[severe merlin]

What is a Rail?

[supple ember]

if you preorder the 80 you will be able to chose case colours so i dont see why you wont be able to also cbose switches

[winged birch]

Maybe but installing both types of switches is more work for them and it’s hard to predict how many of each type you’d need.

[severe merlin]

What is the Polling Rate?

I hope 8000hz.

[winged birch]

800 is close to useless

maybe they will do it for marketing purposes but 2K would be fine

[tight cypress]

1kHz is more than enough

[winged birch]

Bigger number = better lel

[nova nexus]

We don't participate in "number go higher so better" marketing fluff

[sage reef]

tickless polling rate

[severe merlin]

Yeah, I still hope it’s 8000 though cause I play Geometry Dash and there’s Frame Perfects.

[nova nexus]

You can set your tick rate in Wootility

[winged birch]

You should, that’s the average consumer’s only concern LOL

[severe merlin]

What’s tick rate?

[nova nexus]

Nah, we have integrity

[nova nexus]

I don't actually know, but I know it's a setting. Since I don't understand it, I leave it at default 😅

[supple ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

[severe merlin]

Also, what is the Polling Rate?

[winged birch]

It’s not lying, 8KHz is faster and better than 1KHz but it’s not significant. If you’d change 200% more for 8KHz than 1KHz then it’s a problem.

[sage reef]

pc requesting info about switches pressed this much a second I guess, or the other way

[nova nexus]

That one I do know: polling rate is how ofter the computer checks to see if there is any new info from the keyboard, like a button press

[tight cypress]

GD's Frame Perfects are dependent on refresh rate, so if you're playing in 60Hz, you have 16ms window - 1kHz is still more than wnough in this case, it'd make 16 polls during that time, 8000 would do 133 polls, which is ridiculous

[safe tundra]

Right now? still firmly B

[severe merlin]

I play 240, I used to play 360 before 2.2.

[safe tundra]

I kek... I kek......

[winged birch]

Thoughts? https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1195394399706808441

[nova nexus]

Scan rate is how fast the keyboard checks itself to know if it has new information to send to the computer. Polling and scanning are necessarily linked, one must improve both for the improvement of either to make a difference. This is why 8k polling on other keyboards is a meme, they don't scan nearly fast enough for 8k polling to matter

[sage reef]

there is like "update rate" or something too that can be different, with like controllers, that's how often stuff update on device itself

[severe merlin]

So you’re saying the Wooting 80HE has an 8000hz Polling and Scanning Rate?

[nova nexus]

I'm not saying that at all

[severe merlin]

I wish.

[nova nexus]

I'm saying that current keyboards with 8k polling do not have the scan rate to match

[tight cypress]

Then 1kHz keyboard will poll 4 times in (1/240)s window regardless, still more than enough

[winged birch]

I demand a 16GHz poling on my 80HE!

[severe merlin]

But what is the Polling Rate of the Wooting 80HE?

[humble cargo]

8khz keyboards snake oil

[fallen epoch]

switch improvemts are far more interesting to me

[sage reef]

I mean with OLED monitors 0.01ms something input lag, that's why people want higher rate on keyboards too, so it like matches better with monitor and mice

[nova nexus]

The detailed specs of what is under the hood have yet to be made public.

[midnight iron]

i'm more curious if scanning rate is 2k more so than 8k polling

[severe merlin]

Yeah but I also play 2.1 GDPS with 360.

[sage reef]

no but still having higher polling rate even if scanning rate is lower means faster new info, but just a bit

i wouldn't say it's a meme

[severe merlin]

Also I don’t think Polling is aligned with FPS so the first Poll on a frame can vary.

[nova nexus]

The best case scenario is that it improves speed by a tiny fraction of a second. Reducing a difference that is already nigh imperceptible because the rest of the firmware can't keep up and is only valid in the most coincidental of time overlap is in fact a marketing gimmick

[wind tiger]

There was some company (actually forgot which one) claiming 8khz polling rate on an he board recently

And they "only" scan at 4khz (still impressive imo)

[jolly tangle]

youre generous

[tight cypress]

Takka60 claims 8K polling rate on their board

[jolly tangle]

who is tsjakka

[tight cypress]

An unholy child of Rakka and KBDFans with blue wootility

[wind tiger]

Yes might have been the rakka

[jolly tangle]

pfff

[sage reef]

for gaming with controllers, always get PS controllers instead of Xbox, Xbox has low 125Hz report rate. DualSense has at least double that.

[tight cypress]

[jolly tangle]

dude this is the 80he channel

[fallen forge]

what about clear case option though, that one is coming, RIGHT?

[buoyant jacinth]

If we don't keep the transparent PCR plastic case as an option, even as a special edition, I will riot

[upbeat berry]

guess theres a soon to be job open

[buoyant jacinth]

[fallen forge]

lekker edition with transparent case

[wind tiger]

It does 1khz btw

But only in wireless mode

[sage reef]

wireful*

[safe tundra]

Hear me out...... BISMUTH diecast 👀
Would work just the same as zinc alloy... good mass.... CRAZY COLORS
Hmm?

[tight cliff]

https://www.mindat.org/photo-711447.html Would look very colorful

[proper pine]

I know that there'll be a metal option for the case. But is it already known which color? (Hoping for white 🤞)

[hard dune]

i asked in 60he channel but maybe it's more relevant here since you guys talked about it... will the dual rail switches be introduced with 80he and after that implemented in other boards, or will 60he have them sooner?

[buoyant jacinth]

Colours not final yet, still deciding

[jolly tangle]

khang

how much do I pay to pay you for more colors of the zinc case

[buoyant jacinth]

Unfortunately I'm not the one you have to curry favour with

That would be Calder and Kevin

One idea I did suggest though, was like a raw metal look, with some of it torched a bit

[jolly tangle]

white case, and green case would be dope

you can always sandblast a case if you really want a metal look

or... they can just not paint it

[nova nexus]

Curry... 🤤

[buoyant jacinth]

if my zinc alloy case isnt faded like this knife its over

[jolly tangle]

12 days

19 hours

hey were already past half

we started with 25 days

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh... did you not catch the stream today

[jolly tangle]

perhaps...

I watched first 30 minuts about the stuff I already know

then I went on the play cards with the boys

[nova nexus]

rip

Counter is a lie

[jolly tangle]

you guys saw some leaks

[nova nexus]

We're going to do the campaign without taking orders

Orders come later

[jolly tangle]

I saw that. calder also said something about it will be a really big batch

isnt this then a bit misleading?

I assume you can join the campaign in 12 days

[nova nexus]

Tja the website will get updated next week

[jolly tangle]

fair to say

[tight cliff]

Transparent smokey black ooh

Transparent keys would be kinda nice with it

[buoyant jacinth]

Reminder that we will likely have a community poll about the "speckles" that you see on that sample (whether or not to have them)

Also, keep in mind that the speckles can be different colours, so this one sample isn't the end all be all

[tight cliff]

Yeah a few things during the stream pointed to that

[languid island]

Hey. Any1 know where I can change my order on the woothub? I accidently picked blue wrist rest I need black.

[tight cliff]

You need to send them an Email

[languid island]

I did this morning. No reply yet. Waiting game I guess. Tyvm for the Quick reply.

[tight cliff]

Yeah they've got quite a lot of emails

It's worse if the shipping have started would be good to put the order on hold depending on the situation

[languid island]

Ye its just that their faq said you could change and upgrade order on woothub so I wanted to make sure.

Shipping has not started.

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah, if you can/haven't then put your order on hold in the hub while you wait for a reply.

Do note it's now the end of the week, and there's still some backlog from the holiday break

[languid island]

Putting it on hold seems excessive. I dont wanna miss getting my 60HE board in time for next weekend 😄

[nova nexus]

Speckles are also not required in PCR plastic! It's mostly just a "look at me I'm recycled" flex. We can be equally as sustainable without flexing it. This is the question to pose to the community: do you want the flex?

It's not exactly greenwashing because it's legitimately more sustainable, but the speckles function as a talking point not a requirement for the material

[languid island]

Thank you for the replies btw. Great community. Best regards.

[midnight iron]

I welcome you, new member of the church of white zinc alloy 80he

[jolly tangle]

hopefully calder will poll it

also the swapable feet is very cool

I hate wrong type angles

[tight cliff]

Well there's apparently an update for the page next week according to the stream

[spark hound]

Flat flat flat

[tight cliff]

They talked about the angles too

[jolly tangle]

strijkplank

[spark hound]

It's too high profile though. But that has to bee seen in person

[jolly tangle]

wdym its 2.8 degrees

[buoyant jacinth]

Default is 2.8 degrees, but you also get 6 degree and 10 degree feet that you can swap out to your liking

so 3 sets of feet total

[tight cliff]

6 degree would be the 60HE

[buoyant jacinth]

yep

[jolly tangle]

tbh we should call the cops if you use 10

put you on the blocklist

[spark hound]

As in, desk to keycaps. But we will see

[tight cliff]

No final colors yet according to stream 👀

[jolly tangle]

I like that news

[tight cliff]

🕵️

[jolly tangle]

knowing whooting there are easter eggs blacked out.

I suspect a < 3

[fallen forge]

arrow key cluster easter egg incoming

[tight cliff]

Yeah easter eggs is nice, really like the products/packaging and such from Wooting

[safe tundra]

Oddly, this image makes me want one more than anything else.
I think it's how the hand holding it makes it real and the aspect ratio is easy to see.

[fallen forge]

🅱️ inside the case

[sage reef]

more of the secret compartment #🌟│wooting80he message

[fallen forge]

that's some schizo stuff at this point

that's where they hidin' all them magnets!

[tight cliff]

Looks like there's a Wooting logo there? or maybe i'm just seeing things 😆 (Under Led bar to the right of Up arrow key)

[spark hound]

Other Pic shows it more. Clear

[tight cliff]

Yeah noticed it on the one i linked too 😅

[dense ridge]

for me transparent keycaps are too much! like this is good

[tight cliff]

Can also see where the screws are now too on the transparent case

[sage reef]

see how well that compartment lines up with W logo

see that compartment has opening from beneath for wires, and putting something in

[tight cliff]

So Zinc Alloy will be heavy & sound unique?

[bitter leaf]

just found out all my waiting for a wooting TKL was in vain and they now produce whatever this is.
Can you tell me any TKL keyboard out there that is on wooting lvl performance/ features, comes with a nice and useable GUI setup like wooting and has no stupid gimmiks like knobs or LCD displays?
I rly rly need all 9 keys above my arrow keys - thats non-negotiable, while at the same time refuse to buy another keyboard witha numbad because of the mouse being too far away then.

Why didnt you guys understand that one wants a wooting keyboard because your keyboards are THE BEST, not because they are different. imho anything making a keyboard different is a bad thing. keyboard layouts are normed for a reason noone would have success when changing all the letters around either. Now im looking around elsewhere because i cannot wait another 2 years to try some HE keyboard and this makes my sad cuz i know im gonna have a subpar expierence comapred to what a wootking two he TKL couldve been.

[tight cliff]

You could Mod tap to get the same result though?

Wootings software is amazing and yeah you said non-negotiable but still

[dense ridge]

Bro i was waiting also for tkl.. but this 80 he is almost a TKL.. ill buy it for sure

[bitter leaf]

has anyone tried to cut off the PCB of the wooting two he to put it in a normal TKl case? i would be willing to go that way before i try to readjust to missing weird keys that in 10years from now i wont find on any other board.

[dense ridge]

what is wrong with this 80he? its almost a TKL man.. can u please explain me that?

[bitter leaf]

its missing 3 buttons above the arrow keys

[tight cliff]

With mod tap they're back?

[dense ridge]

so are that 3 keys which u actually dont use at all so important for you =)?

[sage reef]

I think it misses only 2 overall, since there is "F13" key above main body

[bitter leaf]

that ones also weird and would need time getting used to since thats where F12 supposed to be-

[sage reef]

no it still misses 3, but the last one missing is bottom right body

[silk hedge]

2 years lol, if ever. Dont think they will make one after the 80he

[tight cliff]

Layers though or mod tap/dks?

[bitter leaf]

just saying there is no TKL HE keyboard on the marked at the moment at all that has not some weird knob or worse lcd screens on it, plain and simple looks best. putting LCD strips on your cases is step backwards in my eyes.

[dense ridge]

dude, honestly, this keyboard looked bad with those arrow keys.. but they are going to move them to the right, and after that it will be really beautiful keyboard with almost all the keys, which has a standard TKL.. I can't understand why you are complaining =)?

[safe tundra]

It's good discussion though and we want to hear all the perspectives.

[tight cliff]

Yeah, sure but ''missing'' three buttons?

[bitter leaf]

when i operate my keyboard 2 hands my finger rest on the empoty spots above left and right arrow, ready to use all 4 arrows + 9 keys above. they are present in a TKL layout which this is NOT and never will be im just very dissapointed, wish you all the best but 80he will never be an option for me

[lapis galleon]

not possible

[lapis galleon]

a TON of people have made the change from TKL to 60% to get the 60he, this would be an even smaller leap. I completely understand if this board is not for you but im also almost entirely sure you can retrain your muscle memory.

[dense ridge]

if you gonna say that you use the keys on top of the arrow keys except delete and print screen, i wont believe you! 🙂

[tight cliff]

Rebinding and Mod tap/DKS/Toggle key? There's loads of ways

[safe tundra]

I have no idea why page up/down is a thing anymore. Dino tech.

[dense ridge]

the same! when u have a mouse wheel

[safe tundra]

Do you ever use Pause/Break or scroll lock either?

[dense ridge]

no, never

[tight cliff]

Use it on my mouse

[safe tundra]

Precisely.

[lapis galleon]

literally only use pause to put my pc to sleep

[safe tundra]

Does it do that? BRB!

[dense ridge]

[safe tundra]

Hmmmmm.... still here.

[dense ridge]

the only difference is that the f keys are a little bit closer to each other then on a regular TKL keyboard.. but i think that it will not take too much time to adapt to that

[sage reef]

the correct course of action would be to realize that most people would focus on arrows if they released without revealing like that addon or something else to look at on kb simultaneously with first kb picture.
so instead wait 1-2 months so those features would be more completed, not rush it with New Year update.
then it would also be too late to change arrows, and fewer would complain too (and less complaining since closer to release).
they could have released a picture from an angle with a tweet or something, not seeing arrows enough to have a negative reaction.

[tight cliff]

We do not know how the final design does look like yet

[sage reef]

but still believing and standing their ground, that the arrow design is solid
obviously it's not random that it's like this

[tight cliff]

Yes but one can still Mod Tap/DKS/Layers

[bitter leaf]

using a mouse for stuff u can do on your keyboard is just slower and inconvinent. sure its possible to adjust to anything but why would i if i dont need to there are TKL keyboards, i just wanted a HE one from the best. now i now they dont want my money and rather be different, so i will stay on my normal TKL and buy the first HE tkl board that i come accross that doesnt hurt my eyes with stupid gamer gimmigs or volume knobs.

[lapis galleon]

it obviously isnt that big of an issue to move the arrow keys if they're able to move them, I doubt you know more than the designer of the keyboard

[safe tundra]

My dude. We can't go back and you are pretty stuck.

[tight cliff]

I've got bindings on the mouse which are specific for it and then layers for the 60HE so it's just a matter of adjusting, people use 40%/Ortho keebs which seems like an impossibility for some

[safe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-chandler-joey-good-job-great-job-gif-13512613

[sage reef]

they still have that mold and stuff, they could have at least now made a couple hundred of those original ones, and sell them to people like me that would want that instead.

[safe tundra]

A few key stokes and your there!

[lapis galleon]

while thats completely fair, wootings hardware and firmware is unmatched as of right now, and you're only missing 2 keys, and I'd highly suggest you pick it up and try to get used to it. however since it seems you dont wanna do that, I wish you luck. I dont really know if we're ever gonna get a TKL HE board since the gaming meta is moving away from TKL but if one comes out I hope you like it.

[tight cliff]

Oh well i'm not here to argue each one to their own opinions just want to give options, some adjustability is even required IRL.

[lapis galleon]

no, they could not. the design isnt even finalized at this point iirc, they would have to update the old design along with the new design and it would be way too big of a hassle for 100 units. either that or just plop the worse, unfinished design out for the few people who wanted it.

[safe tundra]

There will soon be HE competitors. The bar is set and mass to market companies are alrady getting on board.
I don't think it'll be too long before HE is standard and widely available.

[tight cliff]

Wooting Software >
Easily the best software i've ever used

[safe tundra]

No argument here.... I'm just saying more and more options will be arriving.

[hexed dawn]

to answer your question, there is the Keychron Q1 HE that will ship later this year. it's too expensive for me but it's gotten a lot of pre-orders

[safe tundra]

Everybody want a piece of this wooty cheeze

[safe tundra]

That seems right where the 80he will end up, me thinks

[sage reef]

this could be this special more secret first edition, that you could get my asking in this discord

[lapis galleon]

they are not going to make a secret edition that you can only get by being in this discord lmaooo

look this might sound rude but the hard reality is that you arent special

[hexed dawn]

in 2expensive4me territory? I kinda doubt it. the keychron is only expensive for me because I want ISO and that is a much smaller market lol

[safe tundra]

ooooooo.... I see. I just saw a price for $219.00

[lapis galleon]

wooting isnt going to make a secret edition for you (you seem to be the only one asking) that you can only get by being in this discord. they rather are going to make what the community wants to make and thats the end of the story.

[tight cliff]

Well it wouldn't fill the need for some that ''need'' the TKL

[sage reef]

has nothing to do with this

[lapis galleon]

the only way you're going to get the original version is if you bribe a wooting employee who has it or something

[tight cliff]

I've got a 75% and currently giving it away to a friend because the 60HE is so good

[lapis galleon]

or make a deal with them

[lapis galleon]

you keep asking (and are basically demanding at this point) for wooting to release the original keeb, which they have specifically told you they are not going to do

the cost of making a 100 unit batch isnt worth it

and it'll only delay the actual first batch even more, which I doubt wooting wants to do

[tight cliff]

I'm excited over this 80HE, feels like something new

[lapis galleon]

they arent going to do something a random guy on discord told them to do, that not how businesses work

if they tried to fulfill everyone's request and suggestions they would simply go bankrupt

[sage reef]

if that addon is actually there tho, and it actually makes arrow keys look better or takes like focus away from them, that would be even more disappointing that they didn't stand their ground.

[tight cliff]

Would be nice if they update the page next week and the Add-ons would be there too

[lapis galleon]

MY GUY, we do not know anything about the addons or even features of this keyboard. the designers know what they're doing, its their job, let them do their job.

[sage reef]

this wasn't even much about arrows I think that's the thing, this poll and change was more about calming the TKL and 75% masses to say like we're listening (even if not exactly)

[tight cliff]

Think it's a good middle ground with modding possibilities with add-ons

[lapis galleon]

if wooting wasnt listening they wouldnt be making the change??? they got heavy feedback on the arrow keys and figured it would be a simple change, turning the board into a TKL or even 75% is simply not possible, and other than that I havent really seen other feedback that isnt just "this layout sucks cheeks wooting L."

unless you're saying this was all some marketing stunt

[sage reef]

i'm saying what i'm saying, obviously not marketing stunt

[lapis galleon]

I dont think I understand

first you were saying that wooting should make 100 units of the old arrow key board

now you're saying that it wasnt about the arrow keys it was to "calm the masses"

I'm confused

[grizzled cove]

dw this guy has been skitzo bout the arrow keys since day one

[safe tundra]

He's been on a soapbox since the poll and anyone who disagrees has been a "reactionary monke brain"
Very dismissive. Or, that's my impression anyway.

[sage reef]

yeah I think it was more about the masses, but also the masses reacted like this because it wasn't TKL/75%, they didn't react like this because of arrows, but many of them also tunnel-visioned because this and stuff and wanted to "align arrows", so I guess it looked a bit more like TKL or/and just because they reacted without much thought.
but also because of those compartment photos, it's even much more likely now that there is an addon there somehow, way too big coincidence otherwise.

[grizzled cove]

yeah everyone is a “reactionary covid brain sweaty redditor” 😿

[midnight iron]

It’s quite possible that people just like the look of the arrow keys more when shifted vs not. It’s not really that deep for most.

[lapis galleon]

I saw so many people complain about the layout SPECIFICALLY because of the arrows

[sage reef]

well yeah, that's what reactionary means, not deep, no analysis

[midnight iron]

It doesn’t mean your analysis is right either

[sage reef]

not even about analysis of attached arrows, but then also I think not analyzing the shifted arrows, just somehow knowing it's better (and like ignoring final result, like the big space between Ctrl and in general more generic look, aso)

[midnight iron]

Since layout is subjective it’s not like you can speak for everyone and automatically assume everyone who wants the arrow keys shifted is wrong and doesn’t have all the information

[sage reef]

"arow bad, aline good" and not much more thought about other ramifications

[midnight iron]

Couldn’t people say the reverse equally easily

[hexed dawn]

I have been away for a few days and this is still a topic

[midnight iron]

I don’t think the add on stuff is a big deal. I was okay with the previous arrows and I’m okay with the new arrows

[safe tundra]

We have had some interesting discussions in between.

[midnight iron]

I don’t really get the point of constantly repeating the exact same thing saying everyone who disagrees with your layout preference is misinformed, just comes off a bit dismissive and salty

[sage reef]

omg, obviously most people, almost no one has all the information what are you saying

[midnight iron]

I have all the information and I prefer the shifted arrow keys, even though I was fine with it before too

[sage reef]

especially those that expected TKL/75%, the most active ones, they just have a reaction to this even more so without processing it, because they instantly don't care about this layout, and not gonna think about it more deeply.

[midnight iron]

No even if you take out all that tkl vs 75 stuff, the arrow key shift looks better

It’s an old layout that was popularised awhile back and got lost for awhile

Eg varmilo 68

Aligning the arrow keys was always going to be a landslide for shifting it even without the prior controversy - it’s how it was always done for a reason

[sage reef]

with this arrow placement it's also a bit like you know studying a painting, often you won't like it initially, but then analyzing it more get to like it.

[midnight iron]

Or maybe it just generally looks nicer and doesn’t need to be analysed

[sage reef]

yeah but then you start analyzing it more, both the original and shifted, and then you will start to think differently.
that also maybe neither of them is perfect, but that the first one is just better

[silk hedge]

No i wont

Shut up about the arrows you are beating a dead horse

[safe tundra]

@anyone_who_is_purple_people.... Can you please make a new channel for arrow keys alone so that all discussions of "the day the shift hit the fan" can go over there? (sorry that wasn't meant to be a reply)

[dense ridge]

You are one of the strangest people i have ever met

[sage reef]

but I must leave for now, talk in there later

[queen vigil]

Ok have fun bye

[winged birch]

lmfao

He’s very respectable tho, dedicated af

Like me.

Only difference is 3.7K people agree with me and only 100 with him.

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-i-think-you-should-leave-joking-kidding-jk-gif-23124701

[grizzled cove]

erm u must analyze the keyboard to like it 🤓

[winged birch]

how does it feel to be an npc reactionary?

3.7K npc reactionaries

[grizzled cove]

💀

hopefully wooting will announce if they’re going to go through with the change before preorders start

[safe tundra]

😂🤣 😂🤣 😂🤣 😂🤣 😂🤣 😂 🤣

[midnight iron]

It’s already been confirmed

[safe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-keyboard-gif-23575674

[midnight iron]

Livestream earlier already talked about the changes and extending the start of the actual orders

[modest stone]

I'm pretty checked out on the 80he at this point but I'm hoping the feature set and changes can win me back. Really want to support the company as they are doing great work overall.

[grizzled cove]

oh was that in the new live? didn’t watch

sick tho ty

[grizzled cove]

oh ic

ig i’m copping 🙏

[spark hound]

Too cramped

I have that As a keychon k3 atm. It is cramped

[glad fable]

I hate cramped keyboards

the f row and number keys do not belong together

[ancient breach]

I only used a similar ish layout on a laptop and found it fine there, Wouldn't mind trying something like that but long-term it could be a bit too much.

of course the laptop had some trick such as more spacing between keys and smaller frow keys

[spark hound]

It's my daily driver, I got it because I needed to carry it around a lot. It was a compromise, would still have liked a bit more spacing

[ancient breach]

The more I think about it the more I think tkl is the best mostly 0 compromise layout for me.

But it could very well be that I don't mind such a layout

[winged birch]

64/65% is superior in every way. Best layout imaginable.

[hexed dawn]

same's

[winged birch]

Nah, need Arrow keys

😉

Dream.

I use them for everything honestly

😂😂

[hexed dawn]

need both arrow keys and F keys for makin music

[glad fable]

lmao just make something like the cycle 7

[safe tundra]

I'm with you but..... see if you can spot my photo realistic change..... who uses the page buttons?

[winged birch]

I had page up/down bound to fn + home/end on my old board.

I use pg up and down sometimes though

when I cba to reach over to my mouse to scroll lmao

[safe tundra]

cba?

[winged birch]

can’t be asked

we’ll have a knob for that 😏

[safe tundra]

If only...
I love my volume keys... even more with a nice knob.

[frail socket]

ew

at this point just get a compact 65

[silk hedge]

Wdym if only...

Its confirmed

[mellow matrix]

Sorry of this question has been answered before. But if a 80HE with zinc alloy and the zinc by it self is 3times to the weight. And a keyboard 80HE weights about 1.5kg.
In comparison to the 60HE and the 60HE+ alum what does they weight? 🤔

[silk hedge]

In the first stream they revealed it i thought they said the zinc alloy version weighs in at about 2kg

[safe tundra]

Oh!
Well... I never claimed to know everything.
Glad to know!

[silk hedge]

We've talked about this before mods are comming for the tkl keys

[mellow matrix]

Ok but what does a 60HE+ Module with alumn weight? 🤔

[silk hedge]

Kinda hope they let us chose between 1 key sized knob and 4 key sized one

[quartz cloak]

Does anyone know if there's been a write up of all the stuff they spoke about in the stream, haven't had a time to watch yet but wondered if that's a thing anywhere?

[mellow matrix]

I hope so too.

[mellow matrix]

Dunno but I am watching it.

[silk hedge]

1.5 i think or less

[ebon sluice]

may as well be an frtkl, perfect alignment and all that

[nova nexus]

https://chat.openai.com/share/0ad0f049-4de5-463b-9b43-9f0ace6a07a1

[quartz cloak]

Thanks a bunch

[winged birch]

🥰

[safe tundra]

Who are you related to wooting?

You just seem well informed

🤔

It's a gateway keeb

[copper flume]

when do you need a keyboard to be more compact vertically?

oh

well, i definitely prefer having the standard navigation cluster which is why i'm not sure if i'm going to buy an 80HE yet

for me it's a bit different, i need a reason to have less keys but not for having more

i can understand people who do a lot of modding wanting less keys to work with, for example

or just better hand/arm angles when using kb+m

it's not just about what people need but also what people want... as i said, for me more keys are always better unless there is a valid reason for less

maybe you want them... either now, or maybe you'll find a use for them later

[grizzled cove]

i need function row so i can be the first one to alt f4 outta a game

[copper flume]

you could just as easily ask what the point is of having less keys in a general way

personally i think having the same key locations as most other people is a huge advantage by itself, just for being a reference... it helps with making and sharing key configs for apps/games between people and it's another thing where i would need to have sufficient reason for using anything else

again, not implying there can not be such reasons

[modest stone]

Having more keys on a customizable keyboard without going overboard like a full numpad is nice. I personally use that cluster when working in terminals. Can certainly rebind them, but having another 2 buttons where I don't need that and can also bind it for other things would be nicer.

Some people just want something familiar 🤷🏽‍♂️

nah, too much desk space used for not much convenience

so is a TKL

[copper flume]

yeah... full size, tkl and 60%

[modest stone]

I mean, seperate num pads is also a thing

[winged birch]

Aesthetically I like F-Row delete more.

[modest stone]

F row is the big thing for me. Love my 60he but it mostly just sits on my shelf.

I don't play as much FPS games lately so other games become pretty annoying to have to redo keybinds and relearn muscle memory. Like MMOs or MOBAs

[winged birch]

Did you end up selling your 60HE V?

[oblique palm]

i need some pros and cons someone please

[tranquil void]

pro is mostly the addon

I don't miss much on my 60HE but when I swap it out for the Lekker, usually the lekker stays

I miss the numpad

Which is why I want them to smash a numpad next to the 60HE

it'd be so perfect

[next holly]

Can someone remember, is the 80HE a gasket mount? I can't seem to find the right spot in the 2:30 hour live stream.

[buoyant jacinth]

Yes

[next holly]

Perfect, thank you Necron!

[ornate bronze]

I didn’t watch the announcement, is the 80HE much different from the 60HE performance wise?

[tame frost]

BOOG75 or Keychron?
Can anyone help me decide

[zinc hedge]

No

[tame frost]

need a good tkl or 75 these seem like the best two

woould get the 60he but these are comparable to it and in 75he

[long lance]

BOOG75 imo, that shits clean af and it actually sounds pretty good. Plus you can swap out the case for any Zoom75 case if u want so a lot more color variant options

[mellow matrix]

Thank you! ☺️

[molten nest]

Does 80he support multiple layouts? (maybe split right shift)

[toxic zephyr]

doubt it

[proper pine]

My dream endgame would be main color white zinc with green Details combined with cerakeys white/green alphas + green/white mods

[proper pine]

Is that an internal decision or will you do a poll for that aswell?

[proper pine]

Ohh you want the same colorway as me :D

[jovial ferry]

Im sorry but I dont understand this exactly, what is the campaign for then, if you cant place preorders for the keyboard? Is it just gonna be additional info about keyboard?

[verbal oyster]

campaign is basically there to raise money in the form of "founders"
Founders pay more for extra benefits + the product

At least this is how it worked for previous products

[jovial ferry]

Yeah, I understand this. However MR_Akbar said that the founders campaign gonna be without orders, so Im lost about this part, since like you said the whole idea of the campaing is to gather orders/funds

unless im not understanding it correctly

[nova nexus]

It means we're going to push forward with sharing about the product design, the hardware, the manufacturing process, and bring people into the process from start to finish

Without actually taking cash in to support the development

[jovial ferry]

ok, thanks for claryfing 🙂

[nova nexus]

"Campaign without the orders" maybe is a little unclear in what that means but we'll be sharing more in the coming weeks 🙂

[sleek pelican]

im hyped

[nova nexus]

Me too 😄

[jovial ferry]

Im ready to hit that preorder button as soon as it pops

[quasi crater]

Same 😃

[fallen epoch]

[spark hound]

Feed us information mark. We're Starving

[nova nexus]

A day on Venus is longer than a year on Venus

[spark hound]

Hm interesting indeed.

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-the-simpsons-nothing-gif-26374553

[spark hound]

You're spock?

Can we coax jeroen to be even more over excited? :p

[nova nexus]

I snapped a screenshot of him peeking around the side of the picture he's showing and it's adorable

[spark hound]

Don't ever stop cto'ing jeroen 🙂

[ebon cape]

The actual board looks much nicer than the layout picture lol

I actually like the left-aligned arrows more

[random oxide]

The weird piece of frame needed to move the arrows to the right looks weird. It's not connected to the case at the bottom and seems flimsy

[snow scroll]

Can someone tell me what they talked about the keyboard in their QnA?

[nova nexus]

AI summary of the livestream. It's like 80% of the way there

Or perhaps I should say, "AT"%

[sage reef]

1. arrows move 2. 6 weeks+ delay 3. no new feature announcements as planned cause don't wanna show them with old layout 4. doing new mold is a gradual process, with many test runs

[nova nexus]

#3 is not true

[sage reef]

well delayed then, something like that maybe changed since stream

[frigid ravine]

6+ weeks delay? 😭

[queen vigil]

6 week delay because people couldnt handle attached arrow keys is honestly insane

[frigid ravine]

ikr, not like they're gonna use it anyway xD

[fallen forge]

i have a theory that arrows were also placed as far to the left as possible due to ergonomics with mods (knobs whatever)

so the awkward empty space on the right is actually to make space for your thumb

[spring scaffold]

will the new 80HE be available in a nordic layout?'

[fallen forge]

hope i'm wrong though since it would mean the public outrage actually messed with the ergonomics to some extend

although having arrows a bit to the right is arguably more ergonomic

[grizzled cove]

that’s been asked and the answer was no

[fallen forge]

oh, didn't see it, that's good to hear then

[grizzled cove]

yuh

[winter coral]

The discussion is getting a bit tedious. Nothing can be changed now anyway. Let us know your wishes for the next model. I'm much more concerned that no new switches will be installed in the 80HE (no dual rails) since Gateron has been silent for so long.

[winged birch]

The KS-20U Switches will be on AliExpress late January/early February. If Wooting doesn’t ship the 80HE with them or sell them separately it’d be a mistake.

Also yes, Gateron should have communicated more instead of keeping Wooting in the dark. Their “fast” innovation in new HE switches shouldn’t come as a surprise as they’re in a really competitive market as well.

[dire stump]

Hi. will the wooting80 be different from the 60 internally because I want to buy a keyboard but I don't know or should I wait for the 80 because I care about performance and not the size of the keyboard. Because if wooting80 is improved, I will buy it, but I can't find information on this topic anywhere.

[modest stone]

No information has been released on it.

[dire stump]

thats it

[jolly tangle]

Wooting has said it will have impovement, however no details yet. keep in mind that the wooting80 is set for q2.

[dire stump]

thx. what is q2 ?

[jolly tangle]

june

if everything goes well

[dire stump]

you mean that 80 will come in June

?

[jolly tangle]

estimated

[dire stump]

oh crap i need keyboard asap

what would you do in my situation ?

buy 60he

?

[modest stone]

60he is a great board if you don't need the extra keys

[jolly tangle]

if you dont need f and arrow keys I would get a 60he

[dire stump]

i know but if it's a revolution, it's worth waiting

[modest stone]

Then wait

We have no idea what we will get yet.

[dire stump]

ok I buy 60 fuck me

[winged birch]

U can buy and sell later bro

[jolly tangle]

check the date before you buy.

[winged birch]

february I think

[dire stump]

delivery date ?

[jolly tangle]

yes

[modest stone]

60he also holds a pretty good resale value. Getting ready to sell mine. So worst case you can always "upgrade".

[jolly tangle]

people buy and then cancel because its not next day delivery

[ornate bronze]

0 Patience

[dire stump]

Mid February 2024 estaminated delivery date

any discounts codes ?

[ornate bronze]

discount codes?

[safe tundra]

Dude... I just looked at the ebay market for the 60he....
That's insane!

I'm glad I have patience.

[terse jackal]

All ideas

[dire stump]

ngl it looks trash

[humble cargo]

transparent one looks nice

[frigid ravine]

tf is that arrow key on last pic

[modest stone]

It's a war crime, that is what it is

[sage reef]

used kind of wrong version that smaller side bezels version (and roller), here is the one with bigger top and bot bezels, and some other

[dense ridge]

in any case, there would be a delay! nothing ever goes according to plan anyways

especially in the process of manufacturing of keyboards where there are many nuances

[verbal oyster]

kek, there were many delays for the 60he release

didn't help that the chip shortage was at it's peak around the time

[sage reef]

this is just coping with reality of your choice obviously.
and this 6 weeks delay might also have additional delays that you're talking about then.

[tame frost]

thank you

[brisk dome]

what will the difference be between the wooting 60HE and the wooting 80HE besides the size

[magic steppe]

Can't believe I have to wait another 2 years for the 75%... Think I'm going to buy a keyboard at this point... If anyone told me I wouldn't have waited that long like an idiot

[lapis galleon]

a few secret improvements we dont know yet

oh and also a few others I should add ig

included PC plate, included screw in stabs, and gasket mount

[brisk dome]

will the price of the 60 go down when the 80 comes out?

[viscid owl]

I know that it's impossible to make everyone happy, but the more discussions around the 80HE I see, the more I think Wooting probably should have thrown up the designs in progress to a vote.
Though I imagine they might have been worried about a minority of their customers in this Discord having an outsized impact that maybe wouldn't reflect the average customer?

[brisk dome]

is that a yes or no

[jolly tangle]

no, I dont think they will.

so far I have only seen them raising prices due to price increase in logistics

[wet mulch]

so why does there have to be a led strip on the keyboard

i don't get it

[trim sedge]

It's cool

[wet mulch]

i really don't see the premise of it

[flint rain]

Anyone know when this coming out?

[spice plaza]

It’s just a design choice for aesthetics

[lament saffron]

Its already been confirmed it's connected to an upcoming feature related to a knob add-on. A number of uses for it have been mentioned such as volume indicator, led brightness, rapid trigger settings, etc

[spice plaza]

Ya don’t make it any less for aesthetics

[lament saffron]

I just explained to you how it's not just for esthetics

[winged birch]

Rather a 6 week delay with clean keyboard than no delay with a crooked keyboard. 3.7K reactionary NPCs agree with that.

It is for aesthetics, a display that needs 10 levels is key 1 through 0. It might be more aesthetically pleasing to have a dedicated light bar as a display instead.

But functionality wise it’s no different than other keyboards that utility their own RGB as a UI.

People said that the Apex Pro’s screen was unnecessary which it was and same goes for this. Unless there’s some not-yet-revealed feature that you know of. 🧐

[winged birch]

Point was that the 80HE’s RGB strip is for aesthetics.

The Apex Screen only has to last 2 years cause that’s how long Steelseries’ warranty is. 😉

In this case, yes as I said previously.

[winged birch]

^

You’re the all knowing one here

Any feature leaks?

[winged birch]

^

[rose crane]

mine is solid and i used it for 4 years now

[kind wasp]

bro everytime i am here u are here

[obtuse wagon]

My screen held up for 3, but I made sure to constantly change the gif on it at the start, then used the cycling sensor panel when they added that feature

[magic steppe]

I don't get it to as many other things about this keyboard. They said it has a function and I think they placed it there to make the keyboard recognizable. It could've look better the keys shifted down and a display (or the LED) on the top right of the keyboard, but it's very common. Instead this is the keyboard with the LED strip above the arrow keys

[midnight iron]

Man wooting really has to make sure del key is the default for all future leaks and photos lol

There’s a lot of people who don’t realize how easy it is to swap a keycap and del in wootility

[spark hound]

I prefer home end and pageup/down over del

[sharp thorn]

If I order the 80he when would I get it

[spark hound]

n =5

[sharp thorn]

(I live in Australia)

[midnight iron]

No set date yet. All we know is q2, but that was before the slight delay to swap the arrows

[spark hound]

And that's without the usual wooting delays 🙂

[midnight iron]

It’s a lot more than 5 unfortunately. A lot of people came in here before as well asking why they didn’t include del lol

Seems a lot of folks not used to sub tkl layouts where you pick the keys you want for the extras

[sharp thorn]

Because of the change of size on the keyboards does that change anything or do they all have the same performance

[terse jackal]

Should I buy the 'SKYLOONG GK87Pro' to make sure I get one before it runs out of stock, OR should I pre-order a 'Wooting 80HE' for some surprises ?

[midnight iron]

80he will have basically equal or better performance (the better part we don’t know what it could mean but there’s hints of it having some updates)

Technically it can take longer to scan a tiny bit more keys but there’s always modes like the two he full size has that let’s the keyboard prioritise scanning certain key areas to achieve similar result as smaller keyboard in gaming

And even then we’re talking non humanly noticable changes in before/after honestly

[sharp thorn]

Oh sound good

[sharp thorn]

Sorry but what do you mean about takes a while to scan

[midnight iron]

As in how fast your keyboard scans inputs. TLDR is honestly it doesn’t matter and size won’t change anything really

[winged birch]

I used it for 2.5 years and had no problems but I’ve seen a few posts about it.

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-abolish-ice-immigration-immigrant-immigrants-gif-17173284

[sage reef]

🧐

[nova nexus]

Yes 🙂

[sage reef]

sorry but like objectively, for most comfortable and fastest use, compact 75% is just not great at all. You first have F keys cramped and not accessible very fast / or with misclicks, then you have the right side cluster especially Del key (in traditional position) not recognizable fast enough by feel / or misclicks, and then you have those right bottom keys be small and annoying to click / misclick. and also like overall, it doesn't aesthetically look better than exploded.

it's also when you type numbers, you can accidentally misclick Fs

it just have too much inconvenience for a daily use stationary kb

[humble cargo]

no thanks no cucked rshift layouts

[sage reef]

exploded and not as filled 75% is only like 0.5cm wider and 0.5-1.0cm taller, hardly inconvenient for stationary use, and not even much otherwise

[tame swift]

I don't know why so many people hate on this layout, it's great

[sage reef]

functionality and stuff comes before aesthetics tho, and it in itself is some aesthetic. but no, it's still aesthetically good, just the look of it, you literally never notice it, maybe you never had a kb like that before

[tame swift]

The reason so many different layouts exist is because so many people have different preferences

If it's not for you, just don't buy it and move on

it's not like this is gonna be their last keyboard tho

so basically the hate is justified because people are impatient their preference isn't being served first

[ebon radish]

Hi is the wooting 80 he gonna be like the apex pro tkl? Will it have lekker switches only on the 60% part of the keyboard?

[humble cargo]

no wooting doesn't go cheaparse like steels

[ebon radish]

thats good

[humble cargo]

you buy a wooting fullsize and every key on there is hall effect

[ebon radish]

thats good

[sage reef]

you also get full keycap set, so you can change keycaps

[ebon radish]

crazy how big companies value money so much more than customers and steelseries didnt even write in the description that not the whole keyboard has omnipoint switches

[humble cargo]

yeah took me a bit of digging on their site to find it lol

[ebon radish]

i found out in a yt video

[humble cargo]

you have to click down two separate pages or smth from the product mainpage to see which keys it applies to

[sage reef]

steelseries isn't a serious company, should never even be considered

[tame swift]

I mean it's natural for a company to value profits, but customer satisfaction and profits should go hand in hand.

Not making ciritical info like that obvious is misleading at the least tho

[humble cargo]

yeah the placement of that info on their site feels very intentional to me

[sage reef]

legally responsible to their shareholder, to always increase profits, customers always down on priority list

[tame swift]

most companies like that will just do the bare minimum expected by the industry for the maximum profit margins.

It's understandable to some degree, that's just how the world works. But as a consumer if that's not what you are looking for, don't support it.

Getting a razer keyboard as a first mechanical keyboard for example is fine.
But once you have own multiple, researched your preferences and have jumped into the rabbit hole, I don't see any reason to want a product like that anymore, or why you should even care.

they cater to the unknowing and the fanboys, if you are neither, just ignore them.

[sage reef]

Wooting MouseHE next

[tame swift]

Unlike the Wooting team, which tries to innovate and create a unique layout.

Then they get bashed by the vocal majority which wants them to conform to standard TLK/75% layouts, which aren't even standardised most of the time anyway.

The backlash on this layout really baffled me tbh.

Ah well, I am satisfied with my 60HE so unless a GB for an aftermarket case pops up for the 80HE, I will probably hold out on it anyway.

Explain to me how it is objectively bad

Without bringing in your preference or bias, how is this functionally a bad layout that might hinder performance or productivity

those are not objective

it's different, doesn't make it bad.
Also remapping is a thing

This is objectively a bad keyboard layout

have a blocker or some empty space beside an arrow cluster, or DEL on a different row is not objectively bad

It might not suit your preference, but that is subjective at the most

[elder beacon]

How long does it usually take between announcing the campaign and the release of the keyboard?

[jolly tangle]

release is scheduled for q2

[nova nexus]

60HE took 10 months, UwU took 6 months

[tame swift]

In what way have I done that?

The Keyboard I pointed at was designed for people with disablities in mind.
But even as a ergonomical keyboard it failed at making the typing experience more compatible or easier.

It hinders both productivity and effectivity for the general public aswell as its intended audience.

This is what makes it objectively bad since it failed to accomplish what it set out to do.

It's not just, ow there is some extra space which I don't like hence it's bad and unusable

Stop trying to gaslight and promote your opinion as fact without any valid arguments

Not really, but it doesn't stray too far from conventional layouts, so small deviations like that are mostly just aesthetic and don't hinder functionality.

Anyway, I made my point and further arguing with a troll seems counter productive.

[elder beacon]

Thanks!

[wind tiger]

tell me that again when you only have one arm and one hand with maybe 2 fingers on it

the layout is not bad it just has a specific purpose

[queen vigil]

do you have one hand with 2 fingers?

[wind tiger]

no, but that board was not made for me

[jolly tangle]

you would say this is a bad controller

but its not

[queen vigil]

Then maybe dont comment on it either?

[wind tiger]

it is a very purpose made design

[queen vigil]

yes but obviously this guy had more knowledge than us when it vomes to that keyboard. I doubt you have more than him and saying he shouldnt say anything when he isnt disabled enough for the keyboard to be made for him is a strange remark

[nova nexus]

I heard that the build quality was actually horrendous, which does make it objectively bad

[queen vigil]

I agree that keyboard is objectively bad

[lament saffron]

The truth is that there isn't a perfect layout for everyone. Having no wasted space often results in a cramped typing experience, but having an uncramped layout often means not all keys are within reach or are missing. Hand sizes, typing styles, hand dominance, and key needs are different for everyone.

[nova nexus]

I think it was that one, there's a German youtuber who made a video on it a few years ago

[jolly tangle]

I think you guys dont understand the word "objective"

[tame swift]

Like I said before, even for its intended audience it wasn't a solution or performance enhancer.

I didn't even speak about the lackluster en horrendous build quality, since we were only discussing layouts.

But in objective terms this is a "bad'" keyboard.

You can stretch the definition of objective as much as you want, since there might always be a person that likes or prefers a "bad" product for whatever reason, and many things can be categorised as purely subjective.

But relative within context of the discussion this keyboards layout is objectively worse than 80HE.

[winged birch]

Ah, yes, some spirit like this channel used to have.

https://tenor.com/view/1917-explosion-running-war-movie-gif-18770469

[sage reef]

most people using TLK never use all of those 9 keys top-right. 80HE is not just for aesthetics, but also to make a TKL-ish smaller, more compact and more attractive, because most won't miss 2-3 keys.
and most is like 98% or something.
sure it's nice to use them as media keys and stuff, like on Wooting One, this is something more will miss

[proper pine]

is that on the right the zinc version?

[versed field]

80he will 8000hz？

[nova nexus]

The specs have not been made public yet

[winged birch]

True

[winged birch]

16GHz (real)

[queen vigil]

No set release date but they were expecting around june

[lament saffron]

That's 2 more digits than I use

[rustic jacinth]

Anyone got a summary of the livestream about the 80HE that was streamed on the 12th of Jan?

[nova nexus]

ChatGPT does

[tardy goblet]

Just ordered some keycaps for a currently nonexistent keyboard 🫠
feelsgoodman

[lament saffron]

Gotta get em when the price is right or when the group buy starts

[tardy goblet]

I kinda just went for it. Unfortunately, most of the keycaps i want does not offer international layout keycaps. So i ordered some PBTFans Ronin keycaps. Hopefully they will fit nicely with the 80HE. I am new to custom keyboards, but feels about right in time to get going.

[versed field]

WTF

[winter coral]

another wish https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1192892404391485500

Hint: Pictures show wide and short versions of the space bar.

with the wide one you have only the alt key

[nova nexus]

Wooting Super Lekker Edition wen

[winter coral]

Based on the experience from the 80HE, it should at least be easier now.

There will probably be a high utilisation of common parts, which could be used 100% in both models. In the long term, it is difficult to counter a market of 2 models with a hybrid.

It will be interesting to see whether there will be a V2 of the 80HE in 1-2 years.

you can start with pcb and cooperate with mode to sell it for their case. Wooting is no giant case seller. They have a very good software/firmware with pcb.

could be a second pillar of the company

i come from the automotive sector and we are constantly defining new standards with several manufacturers. You just have to start co-operating and initiate this through an association.

[winter coral]

Absolutely, if it is supported by the 14 previous ones majority and replaces them. That is a weak reaction.

Of course, I have already implemented some European standards independently, which are used on a daily basis.

Of course, this is very difficult for a small company on the ground.

I don't have the insight, I'm happy to admit. That would also be something that would have to be discussed with Asus, CHERRY, Mountain, Corsair, etc. at conferences. Whether they are interested in such a specification.

[nova nexus]

This is a very idealistic perspective, and while not impossible is not likely... Standards proliferate either out of convenience or regulation. Since I doubt regulatory bodies are going to crack down on keyboard layouts, that means convenience (and by extension, cost) would be required. This did happen with 60%, this hasn't happened with any other layout to nearly the same extent

[viscid owl]

Tech works very differently from the automotive sector.

These new competing standards are released constantly either to unify multiple features under a single umbrella, create a low cost zero license fee alternative, or to create something completely proprietary in an attempt to force the rest of the market to pay you to use your new "standard" because you own the majority of the market, and even to block customers from changing software easily

[winter coral]

Yeah, this can be applied 1:1 to Nvidia, where proprietary solutions are often introduced.

When I look at PC cases or power supply connections now, we've achieved it. Since I'm talking about mounting points for keyboard housings here, I can see an analogy to PC cases.

But of course I believe you veterans in the keyboard sector. Just kind of tragic.

[viscid owl]

Yeah they introduced standards so they could more easily sell parts to smaller players, but major manufacturers like Dell, HP and especially Apple will often makeup their own proprietary standards rendering equipment hard to fix or maintain.

Really I think the only reason PC standards became so big is IBM's first PC used off the shelf parts leading to everyone stealing their platform. The markey grew faster then any individual player could supply and many companies either stole unpatented systems or licensed them at a good rate to get on the pc hype train

[viscid owl]

Oh yeah, didn't Intel try to introduce a next generation BTX?

[winged birch]

I’d think a standard in keyboard layouts isn’t as hard to reach as it seems to be as everyone would benefit from it. I don’t mean the Razer, Corsair and Steelseries here, the smaller companies leaning more towards the custom keyboard branch. Keyboards would sell better with a wide variety of cases to chose from and cases would sell better with a wide variety of keyboards to choose from for example.

https://tenor.com/view/well-oh-gif-19009954

I believe Wooting could, definitely.

Having public case files is not how you get to a common standard.

That requires cooperation of multiple companies.

As I said before; I think Wooting could’ve worked with a keyboard/case manufacturer with an existing variety of cases and used that to start a common standard. There are other ways of course but that’s a plausible way I can think of.

If the market is there, it will happen. It’s that simple.

I’m not talking about a specific layout here as I don’t know the entire market of a particular layout. I’d imagine they’d try to go for tray and gasket as those are the most common.

[drifting phoenix]

a lot of people not understanding the gulf between the way things should happen and the way things happen

you can have most people agree on something and it's still logistically impossible to make happen

see: "war is bad" majority of humans agree, yet war continues to happen

see: "us should adopt the metric system"

see: "there should be x standard for keyboards so everyone benefits in the ecosystem"

[winged birch]

I do not know the unannounced features yet. If it’s attached to the case it could work. Wooting would make their own case for every keyboard they sell obviously. If the feature requires a custom case/PCBA thing then it wouldn’t work and it wouldn’t be possible to reach a standard.

[winged birch]

You need to look at it from a business perspective only, if you go though life like that many things become quite clear. War continues because war is profitable. Cooperation happens because all parties can gain from said cooperation. I believe that that cooperation is possible in the custom keyboard market.

[verbal solar]

How did war come into a kb discord

[winged birch]

You’ve been in this channel long enough to know war is not an uncommon topic here 😂😂

[verbal solar]

Elaborate

[winged birch]

There’s always a war going on in this channel.

[drifting phoenix]

bro in my example youre the guy who desn't understand why a thing happens the way it happens, not me

"Why cant every company in this product space work together and agree on everything?" is "quite clear" as well

[lament saffron]

Its an easy answer. Because it's not as profitable for a business to adopt/create an existing standard if they think their idea is better. Businesses dont typically collaborate because they believe there is more money in it if they don't. It's why your chat bubbles are blue or green on Apple devices because rather than adpot a universal standard fully (RCS) they believe it's more porfitable for them to keep people locked into their ecosystem (standard). So even with Apple partly adopting RCS this year, they will still lock down certain thinsg to Apple users only.

This doesnt change for keyboards or any other product. Very rarely is whats best for the consumer also the best for profit.

[winged birch]

Not quite, as I said; it is just business. I believe it would be beneficial for Wooting and the partnering company to start or adopt a standard as it’d mean their keyboards would have a wider variety of cases to choose from. The example you gave about war isn’t accurate as war happens because it is profitable.

[lapis galleon]

NANOMACHINES SON

[winged birch]

War is business. Why argue that? 🤣

[lament saffron]

I mean war is profitable, he isn't wrong, but it's not best for humanity. Which as I said before, whats best for consumers is rarely best for profit

[verbal solar]

I profited from the great Minecraft war of 2019

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-armstrong-gif-26250693

[viscid owl]

Although the US industrial complex added with crony capitalism results in the US government overspending for poor quality equipment for its army.
The real reason war continues is because no matter what happens some fuck is always trying to start shit. Russia had no business in the Ukraine, but thought it could snatch up the entire country in 4 days and get no consequences. China keeps making aggressive towards Taiwan hinting it's going to do an armed invasion the moment it gets a chance, North Korea is just a hot mess, the Middle East was basically sent spinning into a century of conflict because the Brits liked straight lines on the map and completely ignored the real demographics of the various regions, and then they decided to take half of Palestine and make it Israel.

War continues because there are a million different disasters all unfolding all the time.

[lament saffron]

War continues because it's also an easy way to launder or "lose" a lot of money

[viscid owl]

Don't know if that's the case in the US, companies that bid on military contracts are freely able to bribe donate to any politicians campaigns

Have there been any pictures of the new double rails switches?

Russia wanted the whole godamn thing. They onky switched gears in their propaganda afterwards to save face

[lament saffron]

It's even more likely the case here in the good old US of A - https://www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224358013/why-are-nearly-40-000-u-s-weapons-sent-to-ukraine-unaccounted-for#:~:text=The Pentagon's Office of Inspector,fight Russia are unaccounted for.

[viscid owl]

And the point?

Putin wants to restore Russia to the USSR era sized empire. He thought the whole thing would take like a week at most.

Russia viewed Ukraine as a rogue state to be brought back into the fold

Now that they've met resistance does Russia claim "oh no, we only wanted the minor Russian part of Ukraine, you should negotiate to give up on it so we have a stronger position to attack you next time!"

[winged birch]

Or in short; business. I’m sure half of the world sees the west as the one who always “starts shit”. 😂

[viscid owl]

They are actively trying to attack our allies

[winged birch]

War haven’t been started because of personal affairs since the time of knights. <- don’t quote me on this, I’m not actually sure.

[viscid owl]

Like the US has a lot of black marks, but compared to Russia, China and the middle East it's a god damn saint

[viscid owl]

👀 looks good

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/greenhairbil-sus-dog-gif-27690748

[winged birch]

Yeah, they should be available on AliExpress late January/early February.

[viscid owl]

The great firewall of China probably blocks that for him

[winged birch]

I didn’t mean US was bad but China is great. I meant all are equally bad.

[viscid owl]

Like
Imagine equating systematic genocide in our modern times to overspending on the military bill

[winged birch]

The act of doing and the act of funding are equal IMO. But this is not a political server guys. 🤣

[viscid owl]

Kehbods

[river bay]

hello, I think June is too far away. Chinese companies will imitate and release it in advance. I remember that Blizzard was also very slow before, although it was very good, but it may miss opportunities. Why can’t released faster?

[winged birch]

There’s a lot to do still, but there will be updates along the way that you can follow.

Wooting also offers a 4 year warranty that no other OEM would, and better firmware. But if you care more about being able to buy it there are already many good options!

[river bay]

I love B plan, it's perfect，just wanna have it asap

[winged birch]

Yes it is and yes me too!! 😁

[viscid owl]

Wooting checks, double checks, and tests various components. Even if a Chinese company manages to push out a product before wooting there's no telling how the quality compares.
Plus since the other HE keyboards have been out for years at this point I imagine many Chinese companies have their own versions out already. So the two biggest things you will get is Wooting software and features like rapid trigger, and analogue, and the warranty

[lament saffron]

I'm currently tracking over 40 HE keyboards from other manufacturers and while I havent tested them all (or even most), I feel pretty confident saying the Wooting experience/development is leaps and bounds above what you'll find somewhere else.

[viscid owl]

The closest keyboard to the Wooting seems to be the Apex (asfar as I know that one still doesn't have Analogue), and Razer's Huntsman (which is lagging behind on premium features like noise dampening and rapid trigger)

[shell heath]

anyone know how much ms have the gateron ks-20 jade in the wooting?

[peak stirrup]

is there already a preorder possible?

[midnight iron]

that video is about the rt software, less so to do about the switches

there will be minor differences in switches due to magnet sensitivity etc, but that video is more a demonstration of the rt software than the switches

[shell heath]

so prob if i buy the new jades is gonna be so similar?

[spark hound]

Detection is on the board, not the switch. The switch is dumb magnet.
But if the magnet is "wrong" it might not work well

[shell heath]

i see (reddit) the lekker are 4mm and these gateron ar 3.5mm that doesnt affect at all? (i dont know nothing about switches :_c)

[toxic zephyr]

the beta firmware apparently handles them well

[shell heath]

i want to know bcs prob im gonna buy bcs the sound is gooooood & thocc

[shrewd kernel]

hi i was just wondering if i should get the 80he first batch/founders event or wait for subsequent batches (eg batch 2 or later) in case the first batch has any issues? thanks

[midnight iron]

This isn’t finalmouse, first batch is fine

[jolly tangle]

[shrewd kernel]

oh okayy thanks

[winter coral]

It will be interesting to see what the campaign will offer for ISO people:

1. As ISO will only be a barebone, hopefully it will be available as an iso barebone in a zinc case
2. Then we need compatibility for a current dual rail switch
3. Finally nice keycaps,, either in the Wooting store or the 3rd party store.

[shell heath]

80he price still secret right?

[brittle orbit]

I just wanna know what secret benefits the 80HE supposedly has?

[jolly tangle]

secret

[brittle orbit]

They mentioned something when it was first announced indicating something different under the hood

[shell heath]

ai for type faster 😎

[left turtle]

even the orders from KBD that are dependent on these switches will only be sent in Feb-March ... lets see

[winged birch]

I think that’s due to the Rakka60 PCBA and not the switches right? They’re already being sold on Taobao 🤷‍♂️

[winged birch]

They are fully supported in Wootility Beta, I presume soon in the non beta as well. If you like the sound and don’t want to wait for the KS-20Us dual rails to drop you should get Jades. They’re a good switch regardless of the KS-20Us.

[left turtle]

hmmm, ok maybe that's also a thing. lets seen when will i get my holy60

[winter coral]

did you find a release date for those?

[winged birch]

Should be late January/early February on AliExpress.

They’re already on Taobao if you want them asap 😂

At nearly double the price excluding shipping..

[left turtle]

From the sound samples I actually like both jades and these for different reasons

[winged birch]

Yeah, closed bottom (Jades) compared to open bottoms (20Us).

Both have a different sound profile.

[winter coral]

but jades are single rail or?

[winged birch]

Jades are single rail yes.

[winter coral]

so i have to wait for ks-20u vs ks-37a...to continue to consider the 80HE as an option

[winged birch]

KS-20Us will be available soon, it’s not yet known if the 80HE will come with those stock. The KS-37B switches are not yet compatible with Wooting’s HE boards. They might be in the future or they might never be, that’s also not yet known.

[fathom gate]

Anyone know where the poll is for the 80HE on possible changes?

[winged birch]

#📣│announcements but the poll is already over.

Arrow keys will be shifted to the right.

[tight cypress]

owo? 80he's campaign is not being postponed?

[jolly tangle]

👋

how was your weekend cals?

[tight cypress]

Not good Most of the time I was doing chores in home

[midnight iron]

They said they’ll still show details but accept the orders later in the campaign

[jolly tangle]

[tight cypress]

My mum had serious fever, so I had to go back to my family house, as my dad was pretty much all the time at work

[jolly tangle]

ooh that sounds not too well. hopefully this week will be better.

[tight cypress]

She was better yesterday already, so I'm back at my place
And my dad has 2 next days off, so he'll take care of her

Well, after working 12~16h a day last 2-3 days... The beauty of being border guard, when we have Ukraine over yonder

[winter coral]

yes, it was also more the case that if the 37b is far better and alternative boards are also okay in terms of software, i may switch to those.

[winged birch]

Oh, I see.

[kind wasp]

Bro

@winged birch

[winged birch]

Aye

[kind wasp]

Die u get a discount or something?

[winged birch]

I don’t need a discount brother, I’m more than happy that they’ll change it.

😊

[kind wasp]

U saved the Company They should give u at least something 😂

[winged birch]

😂😂😂 “Saved the company”

Without me Wooting would be bankrupt obviously. 😎

[spark hound]

https://tenor.com/view/lurch-you-rang-gif-18012590

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/katena-sarcasm-tbv-sarcasm-eyeglasses-gif-16424238

[queen vigil]

ngl alig you in here all day what you enjoy it a lot dont you

I like checking in here every so often and youre always the one with the last message its honestly impressive

[winged birch]

I live here man. 🏡

[queen vigil]

Since when?

[winged birch]

Since the day this channel was created sir.

😌

[lament saffron]

Anyone can be the last to post but being the first one to post in this channel would have been even more impressive

[kind wasp]

Fr

[silver dust]

why did wooting go with this layout again?

i feel like going with either a 75% or TKL would have been a better compromise than this compromise

[spark hound]

Not this again. This has been discussed to death already

[silver dust]

ik

but i forgot why and where to find out why

[spark hound]

Tldr, ppl would complain about the layout anyway. If 75, why not tkl?? If tkl why not 75?? Or tkl and 75nare boring

Done

[silver dust]

ok

thanks ig

[kind wasp]

There is no iso Layout for keyboards and they wanted to be Creative and Go for something in between

[wind tiger]

what

[tawdry fiber]

Do we know what switches the 80HE is coming with?

[shell heath]

can u give a link for a video for see how they sound

[celest pawn]

.

[celest pawn]

Same but improved

[shrewd kernel]

just wondering, any guesses on when the 80HE first batch will start shipping internationally? im kinda just waiting on it for a keyboard now

[sage reef]

June or something

[winged birch]

Take it with a grain of salt, as it’s not a certainty. Some contradicting statements were made about the 80HE’s switches.

[winged birch]

There are a few sound tests posted in this server but I don’t have a link. Maybe use Discord’s search?

[tight cypress]

Searching for videos in #🔧│keyboard_modding yields whole lot of results