🌟│wooting80he

[mystic timber]

organic all natural lube

[hexed dawn]

it's pretty good if you drank pure olive oil an hour earlier

[winged birch]

this channel has hit rock bottom

😂😂😂

[verbal solar]

What the hell

[verbal solar]

typical 5 am discord chat

[sage reef]

sperm whale oil is like the only lubricant that doesn't dry out, that's why they use it in atom bombs
anyone tried it for switches

[vapid storm]

I only use my own

[novel bear]

Is it dumb to buy a wooting keyboard if you aren’t going to use it in the near future?

[rain cloak]

Yes , because you won’t be gettin it in the near future 💀

[zinc hedge]

ship it out to me when your done using it

[novel bear]

But don’t you get exclusive perks from buying it early?

[jolly tangle]

no info yet given 😛

[zinc hedge]

free discord role

[novel bear]

Okok

[rain cloak]

Doubt it , maybe a role , same price if you order now you’ll be waiting a while , I ordered last week of December , being sent now and I got lucky

[jolly tangle]

however so far from previous pre order campaigns wooting has always given something extra

Dont think that will change

[novel bear]

👍

[eager sequoia]

Hi, will a white version be available at the same time?

[grizzled cove]

does wooting give keyboards out to reviewers/cc’s before ppl can order/before preorders end or nah

[buoyant solstice]

Yes we do.

[grizzled cove]

sick

[jagged flint]

will the keyboard come with the qwertz or other layouts on release?

[humble cargo]

qwertz is banned

[jagged flint]

wait what

[humble cargo]

nah but seriously it'll be available in ansi and most common iso layouts

[buoyant solstice]

Same languages as previously (if not more)

[jagged flint]

alright thank you

[past berry]

Is a 80he+ planned in the future? I already have enough Lekker switches and keycaps, because I got a 2HE.

[buoyant jacinth]

What do you mean by 80HE+?

[humble cargo]

module only am guessing

I doubt it since its a non-standard layout

[buoyant jacinth]

The 80HE will have barebones versions for all layouts that are just the internals + case. No keycaps or switches.

So, if you've got keycaps and switches laying around, you can just get the barebones version

[upbeat berry]

8?

[winter coral]

I withdrew my kickstarter from the Q1 HE at the last second. I'm still not a fan of the 80HE, but I am a Wooting fan. Why are you making it so damn difficult for me.

[past berry]

TY

Guess I'll be a early supporter

[winter coral]

Call for support 🤜🏻 🤛🏻 😇
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1192892404391485500
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1192888535942959285

sure, but demand has to be announced

I have special equipment here. Just want silent one, when you are talking the mic catches key inputs....when you have call over 4h its sometimes annoying.

[tight cliff]

https://www.amazon.com/Samson-Meteor-Studio-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B004MF39YS?th=1 I've got one of these so can just mute whenever (Usually mics have mute buttons)

Same

Also e.g. Discord is quite good with muting automatically now

[winter coral]

guys - Business laptops dont allow a lot of software / fine tuning as private equipment

you can add "some" devices - nothing else.

[tight cliff]

But yeah sure silent switches would be a nice choice for some but it's kinda a Switch maker problem?

[winter coral]

We don't need to push this in that direction now. I have very good equipment for my private use, so nothing from keyboard gets into private conversations. It's not allowed on the company computer and there are grounds for a warning because it's against the contract / works agreement.

Therefore, a reduced DB volume like on my old Cherry MX-Silent would be advantageous. It just makes things easier, not everyone has to buy it.

This might still be a marketing opportunity for wooting if they were to drop the need for Gateron at least.

[tight cliff]

https://www.gateron.co/products/gateron-silent-switch-set Don't think there's any HE versions though

Yeah

[winter coral]

Haven't had a Twitter account for some time

[tight cliff]

Yup but a company could possibly push them into that direction if there's requests for it

[winter coral]

Yep, always easier instead of a private individual

That's why I threw it into the feedback channel - let's see if there are any supporters.

[winged birch]

Has anyone weighed a HE stem and a non HE stem to compare the difference?

To see how much heavier a HE stem is compared to a non HE stem.

[toxic zephyr]

these days AI does perfect noise-cancellation so you can have the microphone right next to your keyboard and type away and nobody hears a thing anyway

[winged birch]

Oh how the turns have tabled. This channel was #💬│general before and now #💬│general is #🌟│wooting80he

[sage reef]

ink v2 vs silent, which are better, why the silent cost much less

[winged birch]

80HE comes with Ink V2s, you didn’t know?

[open lintel]

are you trolling or being serious

[jolly tangle]

thats a joke road

[buoyant solstice]

Besides we'd have to call them something special like... lekker Blaekk

[tranquil void]

lekker zwartepiet

[dense ridge]

does it remind you something? even the led strip is there 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

Got a link?

[jolly tangle]

[dense ridge]

do you want me to share the link to this video ?

[buoyant solstice]

Yes please

Curious to see it.

[dense ridge]

the name of the keyboard is - FlEsports FL750

https://youtu.be/v6iWHa7RQCE?si=o94uN9vKL0-DKuJs&t=55

[buoyant solstice]

Cheers.

[verbal solar]

only me or are the colors reminding me of something

[buoyant solstice]

Cheers.

[verbal solar]

Cheers.

[polar storm]

but the arrows are aligned 😄

[dense ridge]

yeah, arrows are good

[grizzled cove]

Cheers.

[tiny tartan]

this one has the random led stip too lol

Cheers

well its not so random now that we know what they plan to do with it

[worn prairie]

Wait it isn’t?

[tiny tartan]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[wooden ferry]

is the 80he likely to sell out on the first day? not sure how much stock wooting usually have on release

[peak stirrup]

when are you able to sign up for pre order for the wooting 80he?

[jolly tangle]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

[jolly tangle]

no its a pre order everyone will be able to join the pre order campaign

[wooden ferry]

so everyone that signs up should get the keyboard around the same time?

[jolly tangle]

yes

people who live closer to the warehouse get it sooner

[peak stirrup]

is there any information out, about when the campaign starts?

[wooden ferry]

alright thankyou

[ebon sable]

Team Horrible vs Team Symmetrical

Never go full Keychron

[zinc hedge]

still confuesed, what does the led strip represent

[tiny tartan]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[ebon sable]

Someone please photoshop the arrow keys closer to the CTRL key to make the point about alignment so everyone can finally understand why Team Symmetrical is correct

[grizzled cove]

it’s already been sent in here like 2 trillion times lmfao ppl got annoyed

oh wait closer to the ctrl?

breh

[ebon sable]

I was replying to the yellow keycap TKL pic but fucked up

[grizzled cove]

i just genuinely dont understand how ppl enjoy looking at the arrow keys in the current state

like yeah sure eventually youll think its "fine" i guess but it just outright doesnt make sense to my eyes

doesnt line up with anything, just looks like it was thrown on

im just waiting for wooting to post their video bout it

[ebon sable]

My thinking is show how terrible an asymmetrical TKL looks, and then everyone will understand why the arrows need to align with End…

[grizzled cove]

some ppl are just more ocd than others

some ppl care, some dont

[ebon sable]

I’m pretty OCD lol but form and function matter. I also don’t want my arrow keys mixed up with my main keys (accidental presses for sausage fingers)

Closing the gap between left arrow and CTRL because of some Tetris rationale is way overthinking it

[grizzled cove]

we shall see when wooting posts their vid

make sure you leave a comment bout it 🔥

[gloomy temple]

I saw the official website mentioned
You can become one of the Wooting 80HE founders when you pre-order during the Founders Campaign.
Does the campaign period mean 19 days from now?

[jolly tangle]

It means that the campaign period will start over 19 days yes

[gloomy temple]

Thank you,

[safe grail]

wait is it leaked wooting 80he ? XD

[winged birch]

LOL ayooooooooo

[winged birch]

A different keyboard.

I wonder what V thinks about that?

😂

[supple bloom]

make the light bar rave

[winged birch]

Wooting tirelessly designing the 80HE so it’d be a unique masterpiece:

https://tenor.com/view/rapid-design-of-articulated-objects-sketchlab-gif-26376660

[supple bloom]

Hell yeah

[winged birch]

Just to see that exactly that has already been done by another company:

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-meme-really-gif-26853815

[supple bloom]

Hell yeah

Make the light bar a music visualizer

[verbal solar]

Will there be a 80% size for the wrist rest? if so did i just miss that

[zinc hedge]

There will be a wrist rest included to match the size of the 80he at launch

[verbal solar]

[spark hound]

With the wooting rgb sdk you probably can

[spark hound]

Unknown, but A slightly larger wrist rest is absolutely not a bad thing, giving more space for your wrist to rest on in a better angle

[weary knoll]

this keyboard released like 3-4 months ago

[lost quest]

I’m new here but how fast do the keyboards go out of stock because I want to know if I even have a chance to get the 80he

[toxic zephyr]

you'll have an entire month to pre-order it

[lost quest]

bet bet

[winter coral]

„The layout has already been done so often, so we made something new.“ Aged quickly.

[safe tundra]

But.... but how much is it? 💰 💵

[grizzled cove]

reinventing the wheel

[grizzled cove]

prolly like 200

[safe tundra]

@grizzled cove ... meh, wheel sucked before the 80he

[supple bloom]

hehe

[winter coral]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1192892404391485500

[weary knoll]

too late

[winter coral]

Future

[slim meteor]

i got the odin75 and i'm not the biggest fan of how the layout looks tbh. the dead space below the screen looks strange to me

super fun though. if you like the layout i'd 1000% recommend. firmware is a breeze to customize and flash with the rp2040 mcu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824907415123787797/1183892225684418560/20231211_142036.jpg?ex=65a5ac0e&is=6593370e&hm=36b441496b139f85d0273a083253f924028c12811d6537d6739cc2bdc9a0da7e&

[midnight iron]

Epbt origami looks so nice under the right light

[supple bloom]

his response

[slim meteor]

lmao

[slim meteor]

the set is fantastic. i do origami so i picked it up as soon as i saw it on vala. absolutely love it

board+switches+caps?

i'd say $600 USD ballpark

switches are durock shrimp, not the cheapest out there

[supple bloom]

relatable

[winged birch]

Ha! Good one!

[echo heart]

Hi, I am thinking of using 80he for gaming and wondering what the lower front height is like compared to say 60he, I am not sure but this might be called typing angle. Is it similar or is the 80he significantly higher. I cant tell from pics. Maybe I just need to wait for more info to come out.

[midnight iron]

Shouldn’t be significantly higher, the base angle is lower too on the 80he

Iirc it was like 2.8degrees starting angle then varies depending on the extra feet you can choose to use

If you search this channel there were some photos comparing 80he pro to vs other boards for side by side heights

[supple bloom]

a bit more straight i would say

[echo heart]

thanks a lot, your responses help to make more sense of it. I'll look around more in discord too

[winged birch]

Typing angle is lower, but it sits a bit higher.

[winged birch]

Good picture.

[supple bloom]

thanks

[midnight iron]

Hope one of founders options is a combo pack with wrist rest

[supple bloom]

Oh who knows

the founders might add a wrist rest

[buoyant solstice]

And still is*

[supple bloom]

80HE has a bit higher front height, similiar back height
The typing angle is actually much lower (straighter horizontal line)
the change in angle is around 5 if anyone is wondering, very minor

if 3 degree is big difference, damn

[spark hound]

As low profile as possible

[midnight iron]

I’m fine with 2.8. Anything 5 degrees or less is good for me

It’s my one hate of the Korean customs. Their high end models like f1 and glare tkl are crazy high angles

[supple bloom]

0 degree 80he

[toxic zephyr]

yeah like 11° like wtf, everyone knows low angles are objectively better for the wrists

[spark hound]

Boop

[ebon sluice]

naaaw I want my wrist to feel like I'm climbing mount everest https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/Z5dwDg8DwC-0jkb04-rWrQ97bYTedUWrTUUAOKAdyWE/https/i.imgur.com/gfmJzY5.jpg?format=webp&width=1198&height=798

[weary knoll]

n680 6 degree

🙏🏻

but still not high end

[winged birch]

45° > any.

[ebon sluice]

prototype of The Wrist Breaker, 14degrees of arthiritis

[obtuse wagon]

Im going to bed I laughed way to hard at that

[queen vigil]

Any of you been part of a founders campaign before? How's it gonna work? Do we get any interaction besides just preordering and providing funds? Things like voting polls on the final touches on the product?

[nova nexus]

The interaction is limited in scope, but we strive to bring Founders into the conversation any way we can. Outside of any yet-to-be-announced Founders-specific perks, we will bring you along with the manufacturing process and progress, we'll together cheer when stages complete and next steps are taken, all the way through the first batch arriving to the warehouse and the first shipments starting

There may be some specific features or functionality for which we'll want to crowdsource ideas for implementation, like how we brought the community in for special RGB effects for the Wooting UwU.

[queen vigil]

Cool. That's much better than I expected

[upbeat berry]

for the 60he founders got a spot on the pcb under each key to leave a mark of their own choosing

and a name on the box if they so chose

[nova nexus]

*Signature edition

[loud garnet]

Yes It was 300$

[verbal solar]

god damn

[median cradle]

yo since 80he switches are supposed to have less wobble

will they also deliver the updated switches with less wobble to the new 60hes

[nova nexus]

Switch improvements are independent of keyboards

[median cradle]

yeah it would be nice to be able to pay extra to have the newer ones on 60he

[toxic zephyr]

I'm sure they will just incorporate the new ones into the product at some point for no extra cost

not like they'll keep the shittier ones around anyway

and your job is to answer them 🙃

[proper pine]

has there been any news beside the annoucement? maybe a date when you can order or anything else? :)

[toxic zephyr]

well the date has been known ever since the announcement, it's at https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

gonna be a pre-order so as the page says, they are aiming for delivery in Q2 this year

well actually the page doesn't say that, but they did in the livestream

[proper pine]

ah forgot about that :D

thx

[toxic zephyr]

:>

[median cradle]

i think they just wont bother adding it to the 60he and instead they are going to release a newer model at some point

[toxic zephyr]

I'm pretty sure they'll just incorporate any improvements to their current lineup if at all possible

track record shows that

what would be the point of discontinuing an extremely-well-selling product for no reason

[wind tiger]

literally using an F1 rn

[toxic zephyr]

when they could just switch the proverbial bucket from which the switches are picked from and placed on the keyboard for a bucket of the new ones

[wind tiger]

and 11 degrees really is not that bad

[toxic zephyr]

11 degrees sounds pretty bad to me honestly

[wind tiger]

honestly not that different to me

[median cradle]

i mean of course that would be nice

[median cradle]

but since they are not that big of a company yet that would bring them alot of money if they just made a newer version

already see all the pros hopping onto that as it would release

[toxic zephyr]

what do you mean with a "newer version" though

[median cradle]

and the fans gonna want to try it too

[toxic zephyr]

a new design, new case mold, everything?

[median cradle]

yeah exactly with the new switches

[toxic zephyr]

so that's extremely expensive for no additional gain

[median cradle]

well we are going to see what happens

[toxic zephyr]

when they can just use what they have and have new switches in that

[median cradle]

you never know what they might figure out

maybe again something revolutionary

[wind tiger]

discontinue a product while it is still selling out all their batches before they deliver

[median cradle]

i know i know

but money is a big thing

[toxic zephyr]

yeah doesn't make sense honestly

[wind tiger]

(and they don't loose money per sale)

[median cradle]

not saying they would do that anytime soon

[toxic zephyr]

yeah they have all the money they want and making a new design would not bring them more money

[jolly tangle]

one of calders top priorities for the keyboard was to have the typing angle as low as possible

[toxic zephyr]

would just lose them money because making new molds for everything is an additional cost

[jolly tangle]

its now at 2.8 degrees

[wind tiger]

atm the 60he is like infinite wealth

[median cradle]

talking completly new keyboard maybe even 2 years from now

[toxic zephyr]

the switch improvements are hitting this year though

[median cradle]

but i dont think they would add anything new to this one for no extra cost

[wind tiger]

yea knowing wooting they will be implemented on the 60he and two he tho

[median cradle]

ik you could say they are a pretty good company but nah dont really trust that

[wind tiger]

would not make sense to keep alive 2 skus of switches

[toxic zephyr]

yeah I've been here for 6 years and I'd like to think I know them pretty well lol

[wind tiger]

and wooting has done similar stuff in the past

with improving an ongoing model with stuff from newer models

[toxic zephyr]

they still support the keyboards from 2016 where they can

[median cradle]

i like them too and i hope it would happen because im omw to buy a new one

[median cradle]

never really paid attention what they are doing that is a really good thing

[toxic zephyr]

if you're not inclined to trust them to do what makes more financial as well as public-goodwill -sense, then I don't know how I can convince you otherwise

making a new design just for the sake of it doesn't sound like a good plan to me

[median cradle]

yo i guess i just got really bad trust issues but im gonna hope the stuff of them updating on going products will happen with the 60he too thanks for giving me info abt it and thanks for the talk

didnt really know something like that happened in the past

[toxic zephyr]

I think the keyboard is already pricy enough so raising the price of the 60HE to cover any R&D costs would just put them behind the competition when other, better HE switches are coming out all the time

and making a new design seems very expensive to me so for me it's just most logical to simply incorporate the new switch into new batches as they come, how they handle the transitionary period is gonna be interesting though, maybe they'll even discount the batch with 1.0 lekkers in them for a bit or so

[wind tiger]

it's not like the updated switches would be more expensive to make

higher order quantity would make them cheaper overall

[median cradle]

some people say that the huntsman v3 pro is faster than the wooting because of higher rapid trigger sensitivity setting what do you think about that because i dont really know all the factors that make a keyboard slower or faster than the other so i cant decide if its true or not for myself

[verbal solar]

no

[toxic zephyr]

there's a blog post by wooting on the matter https://wooting.io/post/what-influences-keyboard-speed, not sure it's up-to-date

but in short, as far as I know, you have the switch sensitivity, scanrate and processing speed of the keyboard itself, then usb polling, hardware overhead and OS overhead

to me .15mm or .1mm or .01mm are all "instantaneous" so then it's a matter of how quickly the keyboard scans all the keys (checks for activation) and how fast it sends it to the OS

[median cradle]

well thats helpful thanks

[toxic zephyr]

higher sensitivity is technically faster, but is a difference of hundredths-of-a-millimeter meaningful? you be the judge, at most you'll see a difference of some fractions of a millisecond end-to-end, all else being equal

[median cradle]

exactly what i was about to say before my wifi turned off i was like i dont know if you have the 60he or not but i dont think i would notice if anything was no matter how much faster but well i wonder what am i gonna say in like 10 years from now if anything has made such a difference for me as my last jump from my old huntsman TE to 60he

[winged birch]

Yes, it is meaningful. For a company’s marketing that is.

[spark hound]

If rather have accuracy at that point

[median cradle]

even if its not meaningful i can already see all the e sports guys having the best ones and i mean of course they are sponsored and and make alot of money from that but then some dumb timmy gonna think he cant go pro which he probs cant either way just because he doesnt have the keyboard pros use you know even tho some 100 euro cheaper one that is 0.01 ms slower would make no difference hes gonna pick the more expensive one cause he doesnt know i mean now you can at least see some innovation like the hall effect and stuff but will there even be any difference in like 4 years from now i hope so but i dont think so

[winter coral]

Any updates on the video? So quiet at the moment. And as always...if you want something similar for the future, leave a like https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1192892404391485500

[jolly tangle]

no 😦

[grizzled cove]

in the stream calder said within the next few days i think so probably sometime next week?

[hollow light]

I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy this being made personally I prefer fullsize but I used to be pure TKL myself so I can understand the appeal.

[spark hound]

Wooting two he exists

[fallow spire]

Releasing video this Monday. So we can still have a weekend

[glad fable]

oooh

[fallow spire]

But there is nothing new in video.

[glad fable]

awww :c

[verbal solar]

i hope calders brakedancing in the new vid

[verbal solar]

what video

[jolly tangle]

you know more than most

[lilac plume]

oh my god, I forgot about wanting a Wooting tenkeyless. It's finally comin' boys... I'm so excited. I love my Wooting 60HE but I use a tenkeyless for work (programming) and I make SO MANY TYPOS on the 60HE

[obtuse wagon]

Those typo's will still most likely happen on a 80HE, these boards just are not great for typing in general, especially if you have low values set like you would for gaming

[lilac plume]

word. well it'll help me since my left arm will be in the position/angle I'm used to.

and yeah I only use it for gaming haha. I'm looking forward to getting function keys and arrow keys back...

[slim meteor]

can you not just have two profiles, one that emulates a mech board for typing and one with lower values for gaming?

[obtuse wagon]

Yup

But still some people don’t bother an just use another board for work related stuff

[winged birch]

That’s true, a pro would choose 0.09mm Rapid Trigger over 0.1 because if they lose with the 0.1 it’s obviously the slow keyboard. If they lose with the 0.09 they are obviously not yet warmed up so it doesn’t count, obviously. 😉

[slim meteor]

sounds strange, just hit a macro to switch profiles instead of switching your kb out twice a day, no?

[winged birch]

I’d say the people that switch out their board are tactile enjoyers for typing/work.

[slim meteor]

ahh ok

tactile is kinda distracting for work imo

[winged birch]

Some hate it, others love it.

[slim meteor]

would be cool if the board could act kind of like an elastic switch, generate a magnetic field to repel the magnet in the switch post, then kill the field once the HE sensor passes a certain threshold

to simulate a tac switch

[winged birch]

That’s a sick idea but it’d be incredibly hard to engineer probably.

[slim meteor]

for sure

[winged birch]

Def sick though, maybe one day 😉

[slim meteor]

you would be able to control the tactility in super granular ways just on the fly as well

hmmmmmmmm

[winged birch]

An electromagnet for every switch strong enough to feel a tactile bump.

I would like just tactile HE switches for now. 🤣

[slim meteor]

only kicks on when the switch is barely pressed, depending on where you set the fake bump to be

[slim meteor]

lmao yeah that'd be cool

i've seen some dual-action switches that didn't catch on

[winged birch]

I think tactile switches for HE boards are overlooked af

cause tactiles are linear before and after the bumb

so it could act as a dual action switch

with DKS or something

[slim meteor]

you are kinda taking away some functionality, effectively mitigating a certain range depending on how high the bump is

[winged birch]

I’d still have completely linear switches on movement keys ofc

[slim meteor]

and arguably mitigating the entire range under the bump because of momentum

[winged birch]

Sort of and sort of not. Tactile enjoyers could still benefit massively from rapid trigger switches normal switches do not have

[slim meteor]

but you can do the rapid-fire stuff under the bump which would be kinda cool, a noticeable upper bound once you get going

[winged birch]

I mean that that would be a different action.

[slim meteor]

ahh i see what you mean

[winged birch]

Yeah, DKS for example

First action @ 0.1mm, bump @ 2mm, second action @ 2.1mm

😉

[humble cargo]

clicky tactiles to be specific

[main leaf]

Love the 60HE, I am a founder. Can't fit a full size keyboard right nor (I have a ducky in storage) and I was ready with my wallet for wooting TKL. Sorry I will not be buying this as it doesn't fit my needs. I have the 60HE, I have a full size keyboard, and I need a TKL which is full size layout without the numeric keypad. I will be supporting wooting with the purchase of a 60he module for my daughter but not this 80HE thing.

[frigid ravine]

i wonder if there will have any wraist rest for the 80 he preorder, cuz it looks like a mixture of 75+ instead of any normal tkl or 75% keyboards, just by the look of it since theres no info about the specs

[bitter vector]

Wooting does sell a tkl wrist rest, ig they will be using that

[midnight iron]

There’s updated one coming

[bitter vector]

[midnight iron]

I assume they hope to have it out by 80he launch but who knows on dates. It’s aimed to be updated to match 80he height and width better

[winged birch]

Flaretech didn’t have DKS or Rapid Trigger right?

sorry for tag 🥴

[spark hound]

Yes it does

Dks from the start, rapid trigger added later

[humble cargo]

yeah rapid trigger was added quite recently

[winged birch]

Hm, do you know when ordering if you had to choose between linear or tactile for all switches? That could explain why people didn’t like it.

is auto tag bruh

holy

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[humble cargo]

yes you could order it with either linear or clicky flaretechs

[winged birch]

clicky?

[humble cargo]

yes they are clicky tactiles

[winged birch]

not silent tactiles?

[humble cargo]

no, they're even marketed as "flaretech blue"

[winged birch]

Well that explains it lmfao

[humble cargo]

the linears were named red respectively

clicky switches are literally tactile

[winged birch]

because all clickies are tactile?

🤦‍♂️

Clicky in general has very few fans, tactile a lot more.

merde

[humble cargo]

I know one guy in here that likes his clicky wooting one at least

[winged birch]

merde.

No

LOL

[winged birch]

You?

[humble cargo]

went with tactiles for my second bt keyboard

god no, had one blue switch kb, never again

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

and you say I can’t be trusted anymore?!?

I bought bw V2 with greens

[humble cargo]

razer greens, the marginally less aggrevating cousin of the cherry mx blue

[winged birch]

and returned it

[winged birch]

all clicky switches are criminal

tactile is fine

[humble cargo]

yeah I don't regret getting tactiles but clicky is too much

[winged birch]

if you need an auditory response when typing you need to seek mental help.

I have that!

keller.

nah nah nah

I rebought it with

keller.

yeah

I tried the greens and died

[humble cargo]

wonder if razer still uses those th leds on their current models

steelseries still insists on using it

even though it makes switch removal a hundred times more frustrating

but that steels for you

[winged birch]

yes

no

yes*

I liked the sensitivity

weight rather

😂

you still use it?

[humble cargo]

my 60HE had a sip of coffee this summer

[winged birch]

60HE has scuba gear tho

so no biggie right?

[humble cargo]

still took it apart and washed

but yeah should survive most spills if you unplug it quickly

[winged birch]

I never spilled anything

on any of my keyboards

apart from laptop

[humble cargo]

killed my laptop keyboard and trackpad with a pint of beer a few years back

[winged birch]

my laptop tanked it

but it had soda under it’s nupad

so if you pressed a key

it stuck down for like a minute

[humble cargo]

the laptop itself survived but I just use a bt keyboard and mouse with it now

[bronze inlet]

how long does it take to switch to the ware house??

[winged birch]

you use your laptop like a pc?

with kbm and a monitor

[winged birch]

wdym?

[humble cargo]

these days I am for most part, sits on my desk next to my desktop setup

[winged birch]

a mouse with a laptop I can understand

but a kb too?

[humble cargo]

its an old bulky gaming laptop

[bronze inlet]

it says in transit to ware h ouse

how long does it take to tget there???

[humble cargo]

well the built-in keyboard is stone dead so its not like I have a choice there

[winged birch]

oh ic

[winged birch]

#📦│batch_updates

[humble cargo]

but yeah since its bt I can have it next to my regular keyboard and not have to reach for the laptop kb to type shit

so it kinda works out better in the end

[bronze inlet]

DANG like 2 more weeks

[main leaf]

So disappointed with the 80he, I would've preferred the normal full keyboard - numeric keypad. Why the hell move the cursor keys over? The whole point in having it is so they are in the full size keyboard location... overwise remove them PMSL

[toxic zephyr]

what?

2HE already exists

[winged birch]

• numpad he said.

-numpad*

wtf is that dot

• kdsiosjdjdjsjs

wow

[toxic zephyr]

ahh you're saying you wanted a TKL -- well, guess this product is not for you

[verbal solar]

why would you get the 80he when the KC Q1 HE exists

[grizzled cove]

cuz my favorite pro fps players don’t use a kc

[verbal solar]

whar

[grizzled cove]

pluhh 🗣️💯‼️

[verbal solar]

is the 80he gonna have features like the q1 he doies?

like2.4ghz wireless

and cnc and gasket mounted

[weary knoll]

you get die cast zinc alloy instead

[verbal solar]

even if the wootings implementation is way better 80he seems like a rip off

[weary knoll]

which is cheaper to produce

[verbal solar]

idk

[grizzled cove]

“rip off” 😭

[verbal solar]

im sure it does

[grizzled cove]

i mean techniallly not right

cuz we haven’t seen the version wit knob and we also don’t know if the arrow keys are being shifted yet

[nocturne garnet]

unless they're pushing the date back wouldn't it already be in production?

[grizzled cove]

it’s not in production

[winged birch]

Tomorrow 😬

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[ebon sluice]

Whilst I don't mind Keychron in general they've been stuck with these designs since the horse and cart were invented. If they're going to dive into the HE pool, maybe do it with some excitement

it's actually mind boggling how many options they have

i can't even remember which Keychron I owned, I'm lost in their menu lol

[winter coral]

Their brand identity - not always bad, a lot of companies are doing the same.

That's why I would have expected the 80HE to pick up aspects / design elements from the 60HE.

Design with the same shapes, lines, surface structures, the front alone is completely different

I realize that the 60 format was limiting

[winged birch]

😂

What do you want in a 100HE that the Two HE doesn’t have?

Two HE too?

Do you really think they’d prioritize a 100HE?

[toxic zephyr]

all 3 of them?

[winged birch]

I think it would sell well tbh

Why does everyone block me?

[toxic zephyr]

and alienate 2 of the 3? I'm not sure that's a good idea, would be fun to see though

[winged birch]

Even after the 80HE I think a TKL would sell better than a revamped Two HE

[toxic zephyr]

at the end of the day wooting makes mass-produced boards so they need to appeal to the widest audience possible, which is why I find the 80HE a little weird altogether

[winged birch]

The 80HE wasn’t a business in mind kind of decision. It was a risk that may or may not pan out the way they intended.

[toxic zephyr]

it has a weirdly chonky and dividing design with a layout almost nobody seems to like, not entirely sure what they figured with this

maybe I'm wrong and it ends up performing

[winged birch]

It was risky but I think they believe it’ll outsell a TKL or something similar.

[spark hound]

How many times have you said this already? Time to stop and let it go ❄️❄️❄️

[winged birch]

Or they just didn’t want to do what everyone else already does. 🤷‍♂️

[winged birch]

What?

I didn’t even bring it up lmfao

[winged birch]

95HE good enough V? You prob don’t like the aligned arrows tho. https://mechkeys.com/products/keydous-nj98-cp?variant=44625315201247

[tight cliff]

That looks ok but software probably sucks

[winged birch]

It doesn’t look bad at all, the bulging out screen is a bit meh but if you like yourself a numpad there it is

[tight cliff]

Yeah the screen looks bad

[spark hound]

No home and end

[tight cliff]

7 & 1?

[winged birch]

I had home and end mapped to pg up/down

even when I had all 4 keys

😂

[sage reef]

the Q1 HE only had 1,305 backers tho, that's not very much, so not some super interest for that keyboard

[jolly tangle]

keychron just releases boards in different formfactors with the same hardware over and over

wooting innovates

[sage reef]

only US, Turkey and Netherlands use ANSI, so that explains I guess those numbers a bit better

only like 1000 people that need HE and don't have something like 60HE in US could afford that keyboard

q1 he has actually a good classic layout pretty much, easy getting used to Del key one lower. it's all buttons you need + nice volume knob ofc.
no need to innovate on this much.

oh yeah what's bad is the small Alt, Fn, Ctrl right keys, that's no buy from me because of that, really annoying to use the small versions of them

[humble cargo]

couldn't even be arsed to make their own software for it

just refers people to qmk smh

[sage reef]

that's why ID80 layout still superior to Q1

Fn key where OS key is, if you can just do: click fast = OS, but hold and press another key is still Fn. can you do this with QMK or something? GPT probably can help.

[toxic zephyr]

o/

[sage reef]

I mean that's a bit stupid, because then you're using a suboptimal layout, with wrong keycaps? or having to get used to this new layout, but then will struggle when having to change back on your laptop or something.

[humble cargo]

vanity is a powerful thing

kids these days are obsessed with every aspect of their setup looking the part, even if it means jumping through a lot of hoops

[sage reef]

support for blank keycaps is pretty good, since you know they're blank, only have to buy them once, with only like Enter key needed, or in different colors. so no point then to use ansi with blank.

ok "vanity" would then take you instead to make your own custom keycaps for ISO layout, on some expensive site, or somehow even more expensive

[humble cargo]

making a one-off set with the same fit and finish as the fancier boutique keycap sets is prohibitly expensive even for most of these people

[toxic zephyr]

I use ansi and us-int layout and I am european, ask me anything

[sage reef]

maxkeyboard dot com exists you know, very customizable ISO layouts, but ABS.

[nova nexus]

You can post links you know 😂

[humble cargo]

yeah, that A-word won't fly with the custom snobs I'm afraid

[sage reef]

like this, scroll down for more options there. also non-backlit available in more colors. https://www.maxkeyboard.com/iso-layout-custom-backlight-cherry-mx-keycap-set-side-print.html

[toxic zephyr]

what's the point you're trying to make?

[sage reef]

that you definitely should not transition from ISO to ANSI, since at the very least wrong keycaps text

[toxic zephyr]

ISO caps are less plentiful and in the case of high-end sets, more expensive a lot of the time

[winged birch]

I went from ISO to ANSI and I didn’t mind it.

[toxic zephyr]

so you're just wrong, keycap compatibility is definitely a reason

[sage reef]

but having pretty wrong text on keycaps is worse tho

[toxic zephyr]

that's just your opinion

[humble cargo]

yep that and muscle memory makes it a dealbreaker for me

[toxic zephyr]

all my keycaps have incorrect legends but because I know how to type, I don't give a shit

[humble cargo]

I can touchtype but it would still bug me

also the symbol layers etc would be all wrong

the stuff I do check occasionally where it is

[sage reef]

I mean it kind of defeats the purpose though of having more keycaps available when text on them will be wrong.
at that point just better to get ansi and blank ones (or only like main letters backlit and modifiers or something)

[toxic zephyr]

it does not defeat the purpose because the legends don't matter

[humble cargo]

for many people it does

[toxic zephyr]

that's a them problem

[sage reef]

why then if ISO is so international it doesn't have more support, shouldn't they make more ISO stuff since it's international

[toxic zephyr]

I don't know friend

[jolly tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[humble cargo]

not to mention the bastardized diy layout one would have to cobble together to make ansi fit 3 more letters in the alphabet and whatever else one is used to

[nova nexus]

Because it's far, far, far more economical to support one single layout that covers the overwhelming majority of the world instead of dozens of quirky region-specific layouts

[toxic zephyr]

yep, not fun at all

[sage reef]

at least maybe like invent some generic symbols for those extra Å Ø Æ keys, so it won't be as wrong and confusing as just replacing them with some ansi weirdness.
so keycaps are not blank, but also easy to get used to and look good with all languages.

[humble cargo]

yeah there's the thing with ISO, there's a lot of different ISO language layouts

[warm violet]

we know when the compaign founders start ?

[humble cargo]

and its not just the letters and their symbols that differ, its the alternate symbol layer placements etc too

so you can't just take one ISO layout, add your letters and call it a day

[sage reef]

these ISO sets should then include at least like blank caps right, so it's less confusing then not having something on them which's function already exists on other key.

[nova nexus]

You want to... invent new symbols to create a new standard that fully and completely defeats the purpose of producing "the most common standard"?

[humble cargo]

I dunno, the nerds find a way around these things, luckily more feature-rich keyboards lets you hack it into your own abominable preferences these days

[sage reef]

does a layout like this exist but with normal backspace, this would be the most superior ISO layout (also except that weird bottom row).

but ok, too much offtopic now

it's not wonderful, because of that small backspace and weird bottom row I guess.

[humble cargo]

all those alternate layer buttons are kinda superflous for most western languages

the extra buttons on the bottom row is for toggling between different japanese symbols/characters

[sage reef]

but my point about ISO designers making a mistake placing <> key on left instead of right still stands I think. since look at the nice proportions of those Shifts and also all custom symbols on the right.

so we need to popularize this version of ISO instead

[humble cargo]

nah I like my beeg rshift

[weary knoll]

just get XMI

[sage reef]

some billionaire should pump out many improved ISO layouts like that (also with like an Fn key next to space on each side (also many blank keycaps with order), since no point having spacebar this big, nice with 2 more keys too). with more languages supported keycaps too.
this way it's gonna get popular

[weary knoll]

boring color but it works

beige and white keycap match on everything

[sage reef]

it wasn't full mistake, because that rShift would be harder to reach than eg lShift
but you use rShift in combination with left hand anyway, so wouldn't matter that much

[ancient breach]

Right shift is still a good thing to have for efficient typing

For example Z, but honestly I don't use it too often

often just move some fingers and just use the left one

[humble cargo]

right, which comes into play if you're a leftie

[ancient breach]

I am left-handed but don't use my mouse on left.

[barren prism]

jo guys do you think there will be different layouts available for the founders campaign preorder ? Like ISO German. Has anyone experience from previous founders campaign ?

[ancient breach]

I should really learn to use both shift keys for caps though

Either way ISO's small left shift is just cursed in general.

[humble cargo]

ehh I think its fine for gaming, which is the only usecase it has for me

for typing I could see how it'd be an issue to some

[ancient breach]

For gaming I will say the extra key there can be useful even, but I use my pc for pretty much everything

that layout with the offset right shift actually seems quite decent

[barren prism]

i assume there are no info yet if the 80he will have backlit keycaps ? There is no shinethrough rgb on the picture on their website which makes me worried. i really cant get a keyboard without shinethrough keycaps

[sage reef]

it must be backlit, all other keyboards from them are

[humble cargo]

yeah it'll use the same keycaps for sure

[sage reef]

except uwu

[ancient breach]

Just look at the keycaps on the image they would make no sense otherwise

on non-backlit keycaps you never just move the text to the top, maybe some garbage bin aliexpress keycaps but otherwise no.

I do believe I have seen part of the stream showing them lit up.

not sure about that though.

[barren prism]

i see thats sounds promising

was about to order a apex pro tkl glad i found this

i will wait 100%

[humble cargo]

it'll be a while until its shipping tho

[ancient breach]

Realistically knowing wooting don't count on the first half of the year.

[barren prism]

hm ok maybe i need to get another one regardless then until i receive the wooting

i have a k70 from corsair for at least 6 years now. abs keycaps. you can imagine how it looks now xd

[humble cargo]

grab a 60HE/two HE in the meantime then sell once 80HE is out

[barren prism]

no replacement keycaps available btw

[sage reef]

maybe get some cheaper HE keeb now and then get 80HE later

[barren prism]

ye i might do that

[humble cargo]

I'd either do that or just grab some cheap redragon gaming kb

[sage reef]

actually had the same i guess, k70 rgb rapid fire. just took off and washed keycaps from it lol

not tkl tho

[barren prism]

yeah i also have the rapid fire low profile and some of my keycap legends are completely gone and they do not sell these. also some stems are broken. its time..

[humble cargo]

you could probably just slap whatever cherry mx compatible set on there

[sage reef]

mine not low profile, so more reusable, but still with too much curve and abs smooth, gets oily fast

[humble cargo]

oh its low profile?

[barren prism]

yes i really like low profile

[humble cargo]

bit trickier then, though there are some low profile sets out there afaik

[barren prism]

im sure i could find something but i just want to get a completely new board and try out something new thats not low profile

[humble cargo]

used both for years at a time, I can get pretty comfortable using either

will take a bit of time readjusting from one to the other though

[sage reef]

1.2 actuation and combined with very low force, they misclick too easily for me.

[barren prism]

to be honest i think i would like something with less force but since its over 6 years old it might be different now i did not clean this thing a lot :S

[humble cargo]

gotten used to 1mm actuation for desktop use with my 60HE

[sage reef]

but why tho, not much point in it

it's nice to press a key a bit more, you always still press them more

[humble cargo]

trying to unlearn the habit of slamming the keys down all the way no matter what

[barren prism]

now that i think about it you are right i am bottom them out anyways.

[sage reef]

1.6 is what i have for typing, and some more custom for modifiers and stuff

[humble cargo]

yeah I've gotten so used to typing like that its really hard to untrain

[sage reef]

well just get clicky switches, then you have feedback when to stop pressing

[humble cargo]

modifiers I put 2 or 3mm on

[humble cargo]

nah I hate how clicky mx switches sound

also it would kinda ruin the analog pressure curve

[barren prism]

maybe i grab the 2he for now and order the 80he later. i can give up my numpad thats okay even though i use it sometimes but i can not give up f keys. i need them for games i play

and other stuff too

[sage reef]

it's expensive tho

[humble cargo]

I figured it'd be a headache without them in some games but so far I've coped quite well having them on a fn layer

[sage reef]

you probably need wrist rest, which is like +$30

[barren prism]

is the wrist rest magnetic or attachable or just loose ?

[humble cargo]

its loose, just a slab of silicon

[sage reef]

lose and slides a bit with gaming I guess, on mouse-pad surface, probably better on like hard surface

it sliding tho is also a plus in a way

[barren prism]

is it really though ?

[humble cargo]

I got the fullsize one for my two HE but am not using it anymore so got a diff one for my 60

[sage reef]

because silicon sticks to your wrist, so would be weirder if it didn't slide, idk, just have to get it anyway if you get that keeb, unless you have something similar already
or something cheaper from other place, but then extra shipping maybe

[barren prism]

alright

[sage reef]

maybe DrunkDeer A75 is better tho meanwhile, but only in ansi I guess and seems like smooth abs keycaps (but option with pbs)

[barren prism]

im also looking possible alternatives right now. having a loose wristrest is actually a little bit of a bummer for me. why wouldnt they make it magnetic or attachable in some way. i move my keyboard around a lot and my current attachable wristrest of my k70 has broken feet and is not attachable anymore. and it annoys me

i have to think about this

[sage reef]

can't be magnetic since it interferes with Hall Effect tho

it sticks fine really, especially must be on hard surface

[barren prism]

makes sense. but at least some plastic thingys to attach it would be really nice. the issue is not that it could move around. the issue is that i move my keyboard around a lot. i have a loose wrist rest right now because the attaching plastic thingys are broken and it annoys me a lot

man when i get the 80he ima glue that shit on 😄

[sage reef]

don't think it's as annoying as you think tho, don't know, seems fine to me

even if it moves, you still often rest easily on it

[barren prism]

its not a really big deal but just a little inconvenice i have to deal with all the time i move my keyboard

[sage reef]

especially the heavier and more contact with surface 2HE version would move a bit less than my 60HE

[toxic zephyr]

with the all-silicone cast design I don't think there's much you can do in the way of attaching it

[sage reef]

I think you're talking about that corsair k70 wrist rest and if it detaches it also tilts forward right, this doesn't happen with this silicon

[barren prism]

the wrist restt i have with my corsair right now is attachable. but the plastic thingys broke so now its loose. and it annoys me. i want it attached on my keyboard so i dont have to move it seperately when i move the keyboard. i move my keyboard a lot .. intentionally because i do other stuff on my desk

[toxic zephyr]

yep this is just not possible with the wooting rest unless you figure something out on your own

[sage reef]

well it's not as bad, you can also place keyboard on this silicon to save space

[barren prism]

ye i might have to. i will get the 80he regardless and see if i can just deal with it or find a selfmade solution 😄

[sage reef]

if you only had like experience with wrist rests like k70, this silicon one is nothing like that. very durable, bendable - can place your keyboard on top of it to save space on desk, doesn't tilt when "detached", easy to clean.

[barren prism]

do you think putting on some thin magnets will mess with the switches. i dont think these will be strong enough to mess with them if they are few centimeters away right.

[sage reef]

don't really think you can use some weak magnet for this tho, since keyboard itself sits pretty sturdy, would take a lot to pull it with wrist rest

[barren prism]

true ..

maybe a strong glue thats made for silicone. but this would make it irreversibel if it is actually a strong one

[winter coral]

hopefully the wait for tomorrow's video will be worth it so that you can see some of the possible expansions. i cancelled the kickstarter for q1 because i'm not super happy with either release. 🤨

[silk hedge]

waaaaaaait video tomorrow?

[winter coral]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[silk hedge]

bruh

[winter coral]

is the extension "new"? I would say no, because we already know it from the stream

so a picture could be possible

[silk hedge]

i wont get my hopes up then

[grizzled cove]

the video tomorrow is about the community feedback that they received on the 80HE’s format

mainly the video is probably going to be showing the possible changes that they can make to the format, and also ask the community for more direct feedback/what they want

[winter coral]

🆗

[silk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-fate-source-meme-trust-me-gif-25112135

[grizzled cove]

source: from the discord stream calder hosted

😑

[silk hedge]

so the 80he will probably be delayed then

[flat isle]

any1 have an idea of how much it is gonna cost

[spark hound]

No

[spark hound]

Knowing wooting launches. Yes

[winged birch]

Calder said the guesses were nearly spot on, so probably around $200-$220.

[winged birch]

If they align the arrows then yes, it could be 3 months more. If not then Q2 remains.

[silk hedge]

rly u think that would take them 3 months

[winged birch]

Calder’s words, not mine.

[silk hedge]

damn

[winged birch]

Prob just an (over) estimation but he did say the mold for the case was already made.

[silk hedge]

so the founders campaing would also be delayed then

[winged birch]

No

Campaign will start this month, I believe I read 18th somewhere but not too sure.

[silk hedge]

25 th

[silk quartz]

don't think that 80HE will be more expensive than full size

[winged birch]

Oh the 25th.

[winged birch]

🤷‍♂️

[silk quartz]

Ideally it should be in between 60he and 2he

At least that's what I am hoping for

[slim meteor]

i really hope they make an alu case for it

[nova nexus]

We're making a zinc-alloy case for it

[slim meteor]

will it be an upgrade kinda thing like the alumaze 60?

[nova nexus]

Yes

[slim meteor]

awesome! thank you!

[cyan sigil]

Do you know if they sell just the gradient keycaps? I’d wanna pick up a set for sure, maybe put them on a 60he

[worthy wigeon]

Are they planning to make the borders of the 80HE case a little bit thinner?

[verbal solar]

tag macattacks to ask

🤠

[glad fable]

The forehead is big because of the screws

something like that

but there is a reason why its forehead is bigger than the rest of the bezels

[magic steppe]

I don't get why they said it would take so long just to move the arrow keys... I'm really trying to understand what was going inside their head to make it like this

[glad fable]

They already have the molds down for the current design

so they would have to do them again

[toxic zephyr]

and change the pcb layout which means re-doing traces, probably re-placing some componenents, then run a little test to verify the design works and all that

it's not like you can just select them and click them .25u to the right and hit enter again and everything is ready

[winter coral]

then you can go right down to 75%...almost the same work 😁

[bold tulip]

So how much do you guys think it will cost

[verbal solar]

I mean… I put some 8008v2 (clones cuz I’m not spending $200 on some keycaps) keycaps on a V1 and it looks pretty awesome

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, y’know

[worthy wigeon]

What's the reason behind it?

[grizzled cove]

200-220usd

[magic steppe]

The sides design

[fresh nimbus]

Yeeeeeeeee boooooiiii! Wooting 80, gonna get one of those ^^

Just the arrowkey spacing looks weird compared to the prt sc, home end button etc spacing

May be better to align those unless they are unaligned for a good reason 🙂

[dusk carbon]

will the 80he come with improved switches?

ive seen some posts on reddit saying that they might 🤷‍♂️

[ruby haven]

Should be $199 at most imo

[polar storm]

you have to add industry breaking surprises to this price

i think its more like 239

[tranquil void]

deez nuts

[fickle crane]

?

[lapis galleon]

yes

[verbal solar]

will the rgb bar on the side of the 80he be the 80hes version of the 60he strap?

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-cat-jamming-dexlore-status-unknown-cat-gif-21401174

[fallen epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-cat-eating-cat-bow-tie-cat-crunch-emote-gif-3331174923798145954

eat the keycaps

[grizzled cove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771388713212051478/1193615035277254786/ezgif.com-optimize.gif?ex=65ad5ba0&is=659ae6a0&hm=b27303f6776ee0db860f8725d3285d59d7edaf0110ab418d8e49b895b850b0e6&

[wooden ferry]

any news about the arrow key alignment? heard the kb would be a delayed another 2-3 months if they go through w it so just curious

[midnight iron]

video is coming monday right? I recall seeing that posted somewhere

[spark hound]

today is monday

[winter coral]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[midnight iron]

Nice

[magic steppe]

If they move the arrow keys, why can't they make it TKL?

[buoyant solstice]

Theoretically because that's a major change to the design and molds. Versus just shifting existing molds a slight bit and the PCB.

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/green-whats-your-problem-tense1983-rage-angry-gif-14541377

[winter coral]

60, 65, 75, TKL, 100 = done, the whole world is happy. Success soars into the sky

[supple bloom]

Highest price keyboard can be is 200usd judging by two HE is under 200

They are not gonna price the 80HE above just because its a popular factor

right..?

[jolly tangle]

[supple bloom]

Im thinking 230usd or under with carrying case and wrist rest

[midnight iron]

they said discord guesses were roughly in the range in the livestream. Most of the guesses were about $200 or so for plastic one

alloy they said won't be 150 more than plastic (someone randomly tossed that number out there), so most guessing $250-300ish

[supple bloom]

ye

[winter coral]

Older products are usually already amortised internally. For newer products, marketing, R&D costs, etc. must be amortised. These are based on higher basic costs due to the relatively high inflation. Therefore, I would not necessarily assume a price hammer.

[silk hedge]

Yea 300 ish for the zinc alloy seems fair considering 60he module + alumaze is around that price range

[sage reef]

@barren prism actually I think you shouldn't really get that wrist rest that follows, but some other and cheaper that sticks better to mouse-pad surface

there is some that stick better than this for sure, but up to you

[polar tundra]

Will the 80he have plate mount stabs?

[jolly tangle]

[midnight iron]

No, pcb mount

[queen vigil]

Itll take around 6-9 months for the keyboard to actually release right? Is it possible to join the founders campaign halfway?

[toxic zephyr]

the campaign will run for 30 days I believe but afterwards I'm sure they'll open pre-orders

the campaign will just have special perks I suppose, think of it like kickstarter but you're not gambling haha

[midnight iron]

Q2, so april-june sometime if no delays

[shell heath]

Let’s go we gonna have the arrow line up now is a 10

[buoyant solstice]

New update regarding the 80HE. Please see here if you haven't already 🙂
#📣│announcements message

[rigid chasm]

This is so so much better

[midnight iron]

let the voting begin

[rigid chasm]

Thanks wooting for even considering the change

[midnight iron]

i mean honestly the shifting arrow keys will win by a landslide regardless. It's still not the prettiest layout but it's one people are familiar with from past keyboards like varmilo68

[polar storm]

looks like there is a clear winner already

[verbal solar]

good morning

[tiny tartan]

What was the vision behind the og layout. I don't think they ever explained why the arrow keys were placed like that

[midnight iron]

it was just a random one they picked based on providing f keys, arrow keys, and not using a smaller right shift

[rigid chasm]

I don't think they saw it as much of an issue as did the community and since they've worked for so long on it, they got used to it

[mighty stump]

I need to know before I can no longer refund my $$$ 60% case, will the 80he only work with proprietary cases or is there a standard like 60% has?

[shadow talon]

OG as the 60HE? I think it's simple, really fast gaming keyboard and honestly you don't need more then what the 60layout offers for gaming

[exotic schooner]

I wasnt' much on the drama, but seem like the arrowkey moving a bit to right seem way better overall.

[tiny tartan]

The og 80 layout

[midnight iron]

tl;dr they weren't really that focused on thinking people would care so much about tkl vs 75 as long as they provided f keys and arrow keys, but then they realised after 80he announcement that people reaaally care

[shadow talon]

I think they overcomplicated things and wanetd to be more special without noticing they already are

[west quail]

Honest feedback, looking at the 80he,

Keys to the right looks better in general, but what does this mean for production,waste etc???
but ins,del.pg up and pg down should honestly just be replaced by A1 A2 A3 and mode/A4 (if mode change the other one to something fun.)
the ins,del.pg up and pg down keys could still be in the box as (extra) key caps for those who dont want to use A1,2,3,4

[midnight iron]

it would likely only work with their own cases even if they picked tkl or 75 (unless you went as far as designing and making your own custom plate due to mounting differences between the various 75/tkl cases)

[tiny tartan]

True

[lethal meteor]

i feel like proposing moving the arrow keys to the right was a bit of a weird compromise?
would it not be better to make something more inherently profitable even if it means going back to the drawing board?

[prisma saddle]

i think it would look alot better if the board also supported 7U / tsangan

[obsidian raven]

Waste in what way? The current molds can be reworked to do the arrow change, so they don't need to be wasted

[shadow talon]

Seems like TKL what everyone been asking for.
I personally wish for a 65 keyboard.

[midnight iron]

it would cause massive delays and money to redo from scratch again unfortunately. I'm sure if it were more doable they might - but too late in the process now

[shadow talon]

but people gonna be people and they were born to consuuume.
Doesn't matter what wooting sells, its gonna sell

[fossil tulip]

The 80HE is just a disappointment it didn't meet the expectations that people had for a 75/TKL

[lethal meteor]

have they confirmed that they're in production? i know they had prototypes, but isn't this all kind of what building the hype is for? (seeing what works, and revisiting ideas if it doesn't)

[midnight iron]

they confirmed molds and such were made

[lethal meteor]

eek

[midnight iron]

they're basically tanking the cost of redoing those for the arrow key change already

[lethal meteor]

seems like the gun was jumped?

[mighty stump]

I'm probably sticking with my 60he, but what problem is everyone having with this format vs tkl? With the right shifted arrow keys, I personally think it's better than tkl as you only lose 2 buttons

[shadow talon]

I doubt, isn't there gonna be a founder run etc. so nothing set to stone

[midnight iron]

they confirmed on livestream last week

[west quail]

what i meant was, if you do the molding part howmany times will it go wrong because you have the little part?

[lethal meteor]

i could live without print screen, insert and delete, but i think the main problem is that the keyboard is a little bit on the less attractive side? the aftermarket situation will also suck because it's proprietary. takes away a lot of the appeal for modders (correct me if i'm wrong? haven't seen a layout like this supported on the aftermarket before)

[rapid loom]

its not too late to cut losses and just make all the money back with a TKL

[shadow talon]

it's supported if wooting sells cases for it

[midnight iron]

there's also mods coming fyi if you missed the secret livestream. Knob and more is coming for that region of the board

[buoyant solstice]

You're not a fan of the silhouette? 🙂

[lethal meteor]

love the actual design of the case, just not the way the keyboard looks faced up

but that might just be a me thing

[supple ember]

nice

[obsidian raven]

That should be fine. The mold makers are used to dealing with lots more complex shapes

[prisma saddle]

nah I don't like the lines. it looks like 2 board sandwish something in between.

[kind wasp]

u guys make me feel bad af

[prisma saddle]

also top bezel is a thicc for my taste

[tiny tartan]

I do wish the bezel was thinner

[west quail]

then i would go for the more to the right option cos it just looks better.
but my feedback about thee A1 A2 A3 keys is more a thing i would love.
also a stand alone Num pad!!!!

[mighty stump]

Yeah the aesthetic of the layout is a bit weird, but I prefer the functional compromise. Delete, insert, and printsc would be very important for me (but I'd rebind the pause button to home and shift things around a bit). I'd buy the 80he if it wasn't for the fact that cases have to be proprietary and I already decided on a luxury 60he build. I personally like the right shifted arrow cluster a lot more.

[lethal meteor]

whereabouts would it even go?

[prisma saddle]

yeah. also the right side looks thicker than the left side cause the arrow keys. but may be fixed with B layout

[lethal meteor]

if i could live without my arrow keys or see myself adapting i'd take the plunge with the 60. i really like the cleanliness and sleekness of a standard TKL layout, which is the main reason why the design of the layout here just doesn't make a whole load of sense to me to begin with

[midnight iron]

that's the speculation. We know it's in that right region somewhere so the guesses is either keys pop out and it pops in place of a key - or it attached to the side as an extra

[obtuse tree]

imo the keyboard is just trying too hard to be different, that's what makes it ugly to me

[lethal meteor]

that seems a bit silly if it were to go on the side

[prisma saddle]

i think it could have worked. some like FRL TKL. some don't. they made a gamble

[mighty stump]

btw I came from a 98% layout where I refused to give up my numpad or use a keypad (98he when...?), but I adapted to the 60he surprisingly instantly. Mod tap arrow keys work perfectly for me, and function key numpad is surprisingly not just a meme for me. It also helps to have fn on capslock

[lethal meteor]

do you do a lot of text editing? i'm thrashing my arrow keys in pretty much all of my work so that i'm not switching my hands from mouse to keyboard 24/7, so i'd be interested to see how it works for you

[mighty stump]

A decent amount, the one downside to modtap keys is you can't just hold it, but that's why I also have fn+wasd for a 2nd arrow key cluster. Admittedly I don't do as much editing as I would at work in-office, but I don't think it'll be a huge problem for me

[midnight iron]

Unfortunately I think until they explain it well, people will hound them thinking wooting did the layout to make a proprietary case. A lot of non keyboard folk don't realize you don't get 75/tkl that slot into other cases without sharing the same mounting and that you'd need a custom plate designed to use 3rd party cases even if they picked tkl

[winged birch]

It isn’t over until I win!

[mighty stump]

You might also like fn on capslock with ijkl arrow keys to stay on home row with right hand

[obsidian raven]

hard to explain this yea, think this knowledge just grows over time

we'll focus on that this friday on the stream as well

the 60% is so standard that people think that applies to other layouts as well, sadly it doesn't

[lethal meteor]

honestly if they sell this with the option for a white case that's pretty i'd snatch it up

[tiny tartan]

I just want to preorder the keyboard already

[lethal meteor]

perhaps! i've never really thought about it much tbh

all i know for myself is that the learning curve would be stiff

[mighty stump]

yeah this definitely was the boat I was in, would be good to clarify that 60's modding ability was always unique to the layout

[grizzled cove]

@winged birch i bet ur happy with these reaction votes in announcements 💀💀💀

lmfaoo

[winged birch]

50 to 1.2K

[grizzled cove]

shits so funny

[safe grail]

broo i love u

[winged birch]

ManaBanker breaking his desk rn

[grizzled cove]

LMFAOOOO

[kind wasp]

we made it xD

[winged birch]

LET’S GO MAN!!!

[safe grail]

wooting i freaking love u atleast u guys giving us chance to vote for something

[winged birch]

All the doubters

[grizzled cove]

they listened 🙏

[winged birch]

Wooting best company

[kind wasp]

bro the votes go crazy

[mighty stump]

It might be, but I expected the same but adapted near instantly. The mod tap arrow keys on the bottom cluster (where rshift is up) has helped significantly if I need to tap over a bit, then caps fn arrows if I have to hold

[safe grail]

love uuuu mann

[lethal meteor]

that's really good to know, thank you :)

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/hooray-letsgo-lets-go-gif-18410791

[midnight iron]

I can't really imagine a world where not moving arrow keys ever won

[tiny tartan]

Twitter poll is pretty gg too

[kind wasp]

still cant read ur name without thinking it is anonymous, but it was a rollercoaster staying awake to 5 AM to tell Calder and the rest of the Team to change the arrow keys

[midnight iron]

now where do we start the campaign for a special founders edition white coated zinc alloy case option. I'll pay more for it

[tiny tartan]

They mentioned they were going to have different colors

[winged birch]

My name is anonymous, Calder called my Anomounys that’s why I use it. 😉

But we did it man.

We reached perfection together!

🙏

[midnight iron]

just black for the alloy at launch last time they mentioned it. They said open to other colors later though

[kind wasp]

how could he write it that so wrong HAHAHA

[midnight iron]

they did say they were maybe doing transparent plastic as one of the options for founders campaign, would be neat if they did that for the white alloy as well

[tiny tartan]

Ohhh

Hopefully the alloy isn't a super expensive upgrade

[thick quest]

hello I am French so it is difficult for me to understand an English video perfectly. Can you tell me the new characteristics of the wooting 80he please

[sage reef]

were option C tho

[midnight iron]

it's just vote for arrow layout

[thick quest]

thx

[ruby haven]

Whatever gets it out the quickest, doesn't matter to me.

[winged birch]

Haha, he said it actually. It was funny af

[kind wasp]

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/green-whats-your-problem-tense1983-rage-angry-gif-14541377

[kind wasp]

its funny but it broke my mind when i wanted to write it instead of anonymous

[winged birch]

Yeah I know 😂😂

Aligner better? 😏

[kind wasp]

thats a legend name

[supple ember]

having the option to add a knob and maybe a screen is a huge W in my book gj wooting

[kind wasp]

no one will forget it 😂

but why he looks so sad in the video? :c

[winged birch]

🙏

[winged birch]

IKR

I don’t know honestly

I hope he isn’t actually sad

[kind wasp]

i felt like it destroyed 2 years of work

[worldly dagger]

The issue isn't the arrows, it's the size of the space bar making the R-Ctrl not align with the R-Shift, anyone else agree? Yes you'd need to move the arrow keys to make the change, but that's my biggest issue.

[sage reef]

they could have fixed it like this too, would be nice (of course some cooler addon)

[supple ember]

i still like the wave magnet

[midnight iron]

that thread on the announcement is just people fighting over making a tkl or 75 lol

[supple ember]

god i hate tkl people

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[lapis galleon]

its so much calmer in here

[winged birch]

I don’t think he sees it that way, the design is a lot more than misaligned arrows.

[lapis galleon]

glad its hidden lol

[kind wasp]

yeah but why he then so sad?? Its like a bomb exploded of hate just because of the arrow key allignment

[winged birch]

I don’t he is actually sad at least I hope not

[supple ember]

because it kinda did?

[winged birch]

Or maybe he is sad but not because of this

[royal isle]

fr twitter went off

[kind wasp]

maybe because of the extra work thats gonna come

[winged birch]

In the stream he was happy and votes were like 17 to 1

[novel pier]

I'm glad the arrow keys will get shifted to the right

[winged birch]

1.5K people are so as well.

😂

[novel pier]

now I'm on board buying it as soon as it releases

[kind wasp]

me too

[novel pier]

but I'd still be much happier with a standard 75% keeb

[lapis galleon]

it sucks that so many people just started dogging on wooting because it wasnt TKL or 75%

[supple ember]

why?

[lapis galleon]

the layout isnt even bad, its just not TKL

[supple ember]

a 75 would be just 1 row smaller

[tawny flame]

Not bad but not good either.

[novel pier]

more space for mouse, can move keyboard closer to center (good for my wrists that are in eternal pain)

[kind wasp]

but they said they wanted to make a tkl tho

[supple ember]

a 60 is technically also a tkl

[kind wasp]

🤨

[novel pier]

don't.

[lapis galleon]

I would have to agree with them actually (though I went with the 60he because I didnt need those extra keys), 75% is more compact and looks better imo, 80% has never looked great imo, its just functional.

[winged birch]

“Ten Keyless”

🤓

[supple ember]

yea but its not that much compact

[novel pier]

every little bit helps

[lapis galleon]

true it just looks cleaner imo

the big nav cluster is what puts me off 80% tbh

[supple ember]

initially i hoped for a 75% but this design has grown on me

[novel pier]

for me it will be an order of magnitude difference in how often I will bump my mouse into the keeb

because I will keep alphanumeric cluster centered for wrist health

[supple ember]

yea but you can probably just replace that

[novel pier]

now I have a whole another row eating my mousing space

[kind wasp]

I just need to buy it now, because of the story line

[supple ember]

thats like a 3cm difference

[novel pier]

which is quite a bit of precious angular movement when you have 3 monitors

[kind wasp]

just move ur mouse more to the right or tilt ur keyboard

[supple ember]

or just use higher dpi

[novel pier]

neither is good for wrists

[kind wasp]

u have the stock feet on ur monitor?

[humble cargo]

poor calder having to step up to the camera again

[novel pier]

I'm a software engineer

[kind wasp]

nice to see him though ❤️

[tawny flame]

Does anyone here own a 60HE? my question is don't u own other keyboards for practical use.. and use the 60HE for valorant?

[humble cargo]

imagine you spent over a year making your next product and you're met with a bunch of ocd zoomers screeching in your discord

feelsbadman

[novel pier]

imagine fking up basic stuff

look at the vote ratio

being so detached from people isn't good when you develop anything

[humble cargo]

imagine crying over a few millimeters of key placements

but hey they're fixing it

[winged birch]

Exactly.

[humble cargo]

wooting goes out with a W I suppose

[sage reef]

yeah most people are without taste and reactionary

[nova nexus]

Can't wait for the conspiracy theories... "What if it was all manufactured outrage?"

[novel pier]

it's not about few millimeters, it's about surprising lack of common sense in one area, too much of a contrast with overall great product

[kind wasp]

maybe they had an idea to use that space tho

[winged birch]

Vio already claimed I would bot the voting with my bot army.

[humble cargo]

like yeah I prefer the B layout as well, but this kinda reaction is overblown imo

[kind wasp]

now we ruined it maybe

[sage reef]

if they just were able to think why current is better, but it's hard to think through the steps

[winged birch]

The conspiracy has already begun

[humble cargo]

but this is how the internet works these days

[kind wasp]

but is there really a magnet inside so u needed that space?

[winged birch]

1.5K “reactionaries”

[humble cargo]

ya'll did it on purpose to generate more drama and attention didn't you?

[kind wasp]

all ur vote bots

[jolly tangle]

brb https://i.imgur.com/WwbGihl.png

[obsidian raven]

no magnet there no

[sage reef]

it's not an accident the tasteful designers of wooting had current layout chosen. they didn't expect this bad covid-brain backlash I guess

[grizzled cove]

bro is obsessed with the word "reactionary"

[grizzled cove]

ok ur def a troll LMFAO

[midnight iron]

Guys. Let's not fight over the arrow keys. Let's focus our attention on what should be done. There is a lack of a white zinc alloy founder's edition 80he case that needs to be added to the campaign

[grizzled cove]

u are not real

[winged birch]

It is worse than this channel ever was.

[grizzled cove]

yeah i took one look in that channel and then exited 🔥

[winged birch]

Nobody is fighting, everyone is cheering.

[grizzled cove]

lfg chat

[kind wasp]

bro that stock case looks fire

[grizzled cove]

now the question is how long will the change delay

or if it will delay at all

[winged birch]

Calder said 3 months but I hope less, I can’t wait man.

[humble cargo]

I dunno I mostly feel bad for the team, I know the sweat and tears going into making a product you're passionate about and then having people shit all over it is not a nice feeling

[grizzled cove]

3 months kinda tuff

hopefully less

[winged birch]

Not shit over, just so close to perfection for most people.

[humble cargo]

bullying saves the day once more?

[kind wasp]

[winged birch]

It’s constructive criticism, not bullying.

[novel pier]

they aren't the first day on the market, if you can't provide something that people will want to buy - you need to work better

[grizzled cove]

yeah i feel bad but its kinda on them lel

[midnight iron]

yes stock case, but now also in white alloy. The fires will burn high in being 'lit' as the kids say

[novel pier]

I still don't get what's the point of 2-row nav cluster at all

[humble cargo]

well at least some of it was

[silk hedge]

Knob

[novel pier]

what does it solve, what's the benefit compared to existing layouts?

[winged birch]

If people did bully then mods did a bad job.

[kind wasp]

just paint it xD

[novel pier]

I didn't see a knob there

[silk hedge]

Apparently you can switch those keys out with several mods, like a knob

[kind wasp]

u have to buy from wooting so they get more money 🧌

[tiny tartan]

Some sort of media control would've been nice

[humble cargo]

different people have different life experiences and perspectives on things, for better or worse you might say but believe it or not what's obvious to you may not be for others

[kind wasp]

buy an elgato stream deck

[grizzled cove]

the knob hasnt been shown off yet, but we know theres gonna be 1

[tiny tartan]

I have one

[novel pier]

this could be done without the second row tho?

[silk hedge]

Multiple mods at the same time, or a very big knob

[kind wasp]

cant u controll media on it? i dont have it but i think u can

[novel pier]

custom mechanical keyboards exist for years, yet such a layout never gathered any traction on Interest Checks

[novel pier]

well, a giant knob would be interesting indeed

[tiny tartan]

Ya, deck plus has a few knobs
But I still like media control on my keyboard

[humble cargo]

a quick guess is they liked the arrows a bit closer when testing it and didn't expect things to get so hung up on it

[tiny tartan]

Innovating the knob could've been an option if they didn't want to build a cookie cutter

[humble cargo]

I don't mind the two-row nav cluster style at all personally

[tiny tartan]

But it is what it is
I just want to preorder it

[humble cargo]

its still much preferable to the old tkl imo

[silk hedge]

On the 25th u can

[novel pier]

this layout is closer to 75% than TKL because TKL is standardized more or less, 75% on the other hand comes in many forms, and this is technically a 75% keyboard because it's less than a TKL and comes with arrows and F row