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[hazy frigate]

So then what happened ?, Because somehow he got the position of yonkou for some reason

[slender oak]

We don’t know lol but all the Warlords joining under him with no foreshadowing by Oda is really unlikely. Maybe Shanks told Gorosei about Buggy

[hazy frigate]

That would be hilarious

[worldly elbow]

My theory

Vagapunk somehow preserved Xebec's body and is revived. The end game will probably be:

Vagapunk, Rock's pirates, Big mom, kaido, doffy and millon cyborg kumas and BLACKBEARD pirates

Vs

Red haired pirates, worst generation pirates and navy

[stoic hound]

That sounds like a fanfic, a ridiculous one

[slender oak]

Unless Sakazuki is gone this ain’t even happening. There is so much wrong with this theory. Kaido knows Luffy is JoyBoy now and unlikely to fight him, Doffy just likes chaos and is never mentioned he has a grudge against Luffy, Vegapunk works for the government and probably has something to do with SSG, so you are leaving the whole SSG out of the equation rn and so many other wrong things about this

[slender oak]

Fr

[hazy frigate]

My take is that ssg is an android which has all the powers of admirals.

We saw kuma use light beam that kizaru uses, i think they further researched on getting all the admirals powers into use

[slender oak]

Not a bad take but then why not get the SSG to replace the admirals instead of the warlords. And the Pastafistas couldn’t copy Kuma’s Paw Paw fruit ability.

[hazy frigate]

Not sure but i think it has to be some limitations, like obviously they copied the power of kizaru but not completely

And other take would be that, they somehow used sea stones to make the Android with embedded haki (the haki part is way out there) but isho has seen the ssg and he was very impressed, that means he must have checked its power and if isho used his power and still couldn't damage SSG that means it has something to do with sea stone

[stone grail]

Caribou knew the secret about Shirahoshi i wonder where he is right now or maybe greenbull will get that information from him

[pure raven]

I think a marine ford 2 it's viable at this point, Luffy and his whole army and finally taking down akainu, the fact that he have a whole fleet right now of 5k pirates must be for something

[pure raven]

That doesn't have any sense

[latent oar]

It is indeed viable. However, we aren’t in the end game yet, that’s gonna be Pirate vs WG and will be seen as “One last time” at this point. He still has many things going on rn, BlackBeard, Road Poneglyph, Elbaf,… Presumably Luffy will become Pirate King first in order to sort out every mysteries that was given, then head for the “One last time” against the government.

[pure raven]

Yep, but I don't know if they are going to find one piece and resolve everything before the sabo problem, if sabo is captured there will be a confrontation 100%

[latent oar]

This fanart semed far-fetched before, but after Buggy being given Yonkou title, I’m more about the theory that he’s been perfectly hiding his true power, pretending as any clown should do. We expect nothing but more than enough from Roger’s former member.

[latent oar]

This is actually not hard to undergo, they captured Sabo, but some of them will see that this isn’t the time. Luffy just awaken the power that can be considered as the most threatening one to the WG, again he would surely head to save Sabo if they executed him. So he’ll be sent to somewhere like Impel Down first

[pure raven]

Impel down... Bon clay nakama please, he fits so good with chopper Luffy and usopp

[neat turret]

kind of a crazy hypothetical what-if theory that I just thought about at 5 in the morning

So, given what we know with 1053, it had a lot of information. One of them being GreenBulls presence and the mad lads insane overtake on the Beast Pirates at Udon Prison (why has no one highlighted the fact that we see him stabbing the former Yonko crew like it’s nothing. That is on another level of insanity that we haven’t seen from the previous admirals…)

Green Bullshits (haha typo; ain’t changing it) reasoning for being in Wano is aimed at Luffy. This is where the theory begins.

Because Luffy is the target…….

What if Wano Act Three ends in a tragedy that will have Green Bullshit making an assassination attempt on Luffy and possibly on other people who get in the way as a major cliffhanger. What perfect timing do most attempts like these occur you may ask? Usually done where you least expect it and have your guard down… and a celebration is perfect for that! Him infiltrating would be easy since the flower capital is dense with people around
You can easily argue that Wano is holding the literal alliance that took down both Yonkos. Your not wrong on that and I AM PROUD OF THEM!!!
Buttt, we shouldn’t underestimate a surprise attack from an Admiral. ESPECIALLY a ruthless one who desires approval by Akainu (reminds me of when I was a kid who showed off my good grades to my parents so I could get ice cream and satisfaction from them).

If anything, I’m genuinely suprised at how easily Green Bullshit eliminated the Beasts Pirates despite them having a week of healing. It’s true they took on a lot of damage but wouldn’t they have been just fine by then?

Anyways, thanks for reading ! Remember, this is just a theory… A ONE PIECE THEORY 😛

[latent oar]

Luffy isn’t the only one can feel who’s strong among the regular Wano civilian there, he also possesses the power to foresee a moment in the future, and I don’t see greenery power has something to do with assassination

[hasty python]

the beast pirate commanders weret in very good shape after being beaten tho.I feel like this was just to build him up so luffy can one shot him or something

[jaunty gust]

big brain

I have another idea tho
What if akainu stops ryoguku dude (hes clearly stronger) and ryokuguku leaves, straw hats make it to laugh tale and beat up shanks, blackbeard and the admirals (luffy vs akianu, sanji vs kizaru, yamato vs ryokuguko, zoro vs fugitora)
THEN BUGGY D CLOWN COMES AND DESTORYS THEM ALL BC BUGGY IS KING
(everything before that line is serious tho)

[tender forum]

Causes for Buggy's sudden rise could be attributed to:

• His history as an apprentice on Roger Pirate ship being unearthed and WG assumes he reached Laughtale and knows the history
• His underworld connection, filling the void left by Joker
• Buggy's Delivery became a huge and powerful force and with his warlord status revoked, all the deeds could have added up
• Shanks talk with Gorosei was actually about Buggy (Likely only if Oda wants to troll)
• Buggy found Capt. John's treasure and it's something important

Buggy has the crew size, the territory, the influence (underworld), the fame, and the falsely assumed strength

It's not farfetched that he is considered a Yonko, remember that the people in the world of One Piece don't actually know he's a fraud.

[latent oar]

ppl in OP got fooled, so do we, Buggy is probably hiding his real ability 💀

[analog sun]

Has there ever been a theory about the extra S in Rayleigh and Gabban's names? Scopper Gold Silvers
It would have been easy enough to stick to the regular word copper and silver like for Roger's gold (Gol D.)

Is there anything more than tinfoil to these weird S bookending the last names of the Roger Pirates #2 and #3? (Similar to how Roger's Gold itself contains the D. pun)

[pure raven]

He got that purely off of him being a former apprentice of Roger. Regardless of what the current circumstances are, Roger is still the only KotP, so Buggy & Shanks, as former apprentices, are still pretty dangerous.

[unique iron]

Guys, anyone feeling hurt for King?
He doesn’t seemed like a bad guy, he just followed the wrong guy, and we need a bunch of backstory from him, being a lunarian and all

[pure raven]

Buggy could have also awakened his Fruit since then, too. We haven't seen what the chop-chop fruit's awakening is.

[pure raven]

Yeah, if he was waiting for joy boy, then he caught a rough deal all the way around.

[long wind]

joyboy-shwuaaan

[glossy cipher]

I think this is looking too deep into it but itd be cool if that was his awakening
https://twitter.com/worvem/status/1537838021265002498?t=v8s1XP8AWnDCd_Iu6rM7mw&s=09

Worvem 🎭 (@worvem)

#ONEPIECE1053
A reason why Buggy became a Yonko might be him unlocking his Awakening.
Years ago, I saw a theory that stated he could be able to split objects on an atomic scale.
This would cause nuclear fission resulting in nuclear explosions, thus making him a "Bombastic Clown".

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[gray creek]

Is Buggy son of Xebec something we can take seriously at this point, or is that still too much of a meme? I’m starting to believe that’s where this is headed

[tribal rune]

buggy express growth is hella fast huh

[latent oar]

Shanks

[glad hatch]

easiest way to kill luffy - give him another devil fruit

[latent oar]

Mix it with fruits he eats when hungry, ez 3b

[glad hatch]

yeah😂

[unique iron]

And i felt bad for him, especially after he got done in by Greenbull

[craggy fjord]

Sakazuki: Buggy... what is your father's name? ...!!!
Buggy: My father is, ...Gold D Rogger!!
Sakazuki: NOT TRUE!!
Sakazuki: Your father... is ROCKS D. XEBEC!!

[tender forum]

Seems people with the D. name is super rare, we've only been introduced to like 10 in the whole series

[ember prairie]

I think Buggy is just charismatic and good at bullshitting so he has a large following

[solemn oyster]

If you think about it, both Buggy and Rocks have crew made of very powerful people

[errant glacier]

While it's still far-fetched, there are a lot of possibilities at this point so I wouldn't rule it out yet lol. I mean, Shanks could've been talking about Buggy when he met the Gorosei for all we know. So what if Buggy, who's been a comedic relief character up till now, has an actual role? Who knows, right? 😂

[tender forum]

hey hey, don't talk bad about our great and powerful Buggy sama
This is just a few of his feat

• pupil to pirate king Gol D. Rogers
• rival of Yonko Red Hair Shanks
• Executioner of Yonko Straw Hat Luffy
• Impel Down Escapee
• Marineford Invader
• Former Shichibukai
• Thousands of followers
• Endorsed by Shanks to Gorosei
• Fought against whitebeard
• 99% the Grandline
• Prince of the underworld
• Seeker of Captain John's treasure
• Oda's b*tch

[ember prairie]

Oh yeah that’s all true I’m not talking bad about him his power is like luffy’s that he can inspire people

[tender forum]

[agile tangle]

Yo can someone explain what the god fruit theory going around is about?

[solemn oyster]

And the funniest thing is... Buggy actually did all of that.

[pure raven]

Half of what he said was super exaggerated or not true

[pure raven]

That's probably the best explanation.

[lethal heath]

Law after Wano joins Sword through Drake and becomes a marine. Eventually becoming admirals with Drake and Koby.

But he will keep alliance since he wants to find the Will of D too

[fiery cliff]

Would be a cool thing, except the fact that he has 3b bounty and there's no sign about him willing to join sword/work for marines

[solid latch]

on the last island there wont be a treasure

[void herald]

Gonna laugh when it turns out Rocks was a weak coward just like Buggy and lucked into having WB, BM, and Kaido on his crew. This is why Kaido bounced at God Valley: "wait, this dude can't even fight? I'm out."

[stark path]

That was believable theory during dressrosa, but now it's gone completely out of the water, especially since the bounty reveal and Law showing no signs that he's secretly a marine

[crimson pendant]

You think WB, Kaido, and BM would be fooled by someone like that? Kaido is obsessed with fighting, WB is exceptionally good at seeing someones true character. We fo know BM said he was someone undeserving of her respect though. So who knows maybe?

[void herald]

someone reminded me that Kaido thinks of Rocks in the "how high will your ceiling go?" panel, so that kind of blows my theory out

[stark path]

Why do people believe Rocks was a coward? It has been expliciltly stated that Rocks wanted to be king of the world and entire pirate crew was basically a terrorist organization according to WG AND it took 2 of the most powerful people at the time in the one piece world to take him down, that being Garp and Roger

[lethal heath]

Once the marines reform bounties will probably not matter. his goal has been achieved and he would probably follow in corazans footsteps. Unless maybe just opening a big clinic with chopper.

[dim merlin]

Heres my theory why Luffy has such low bounty.
To be honest its pretty simple, the World Government wants to hide the threat of Sun God Nika as it would hurt their rep and weaken their authority over the controlled countries. Not Only that but they also want to hide the Importance and threat to the Will of D.
What do yall think?

[stark path]

That's what I'm thinking as well, they want to cover that joyboy has returned and they initially asked to remove the D in the bounty poster, though they've failed to hide the photo taken of gear 5 luffy which some people like Dragon,Shanks and former Roger pirates would for sure recognize

[thorny wedge]

Sabo is held as a prisoner at marijois after he saved Vivi and let her run away, Luffy and the rest of the Straw hat fleet go to the red line, destroy it and reveal the all blue, save sabo and then the final war happens against Imu

[thorny wedge]

They emphasised removing the D. from Luffys name but didnt emphasise removing it from Law's name too

[dim merlin]

They dont have D on Laws name in the bounty??

[tender forum]

Law's D. name isn't public

[stark path]

Law being a D is not a public knowledge, the only people that know are Corazon,Doffy,Luffy and Sengoku

[tender forum]

Luffy doesn't or isn't shown to know, Robin does, also Baby 5 & that helicopter guy also knew (if they remember)

[slate mirage]

This doesn't make sense,since 3 billion is not a low bounty to begin with. As far as we know is the second highest bounty currently,after Shanks. So no, that can't be the case

[midnight elbow]

What if the reason Zoro always gets lost is because he always is going in the direction to Laugh Tale

[pastel bone]

Fought and Hawk Eye, Saved Luffy and his Straw hat at Marine fold from admirals

[ember prairie]

It’s pretty much stated

[tender forum]

just hibernate a month then come back, we'll get an answer after the break (hopefully)

[ember prairie]

It’s not really a low bounty but they want him taken out along with Law and Kid (why they have the same bounty) but it seems with some interference from Morgans the D was kept on the poster along with the Gear 5 picture

[fading wolf]

There's one theory that says that each ancient weapon is formed into 3 parts. The CCC's theory.

Conductor, Carriage, and Calvary.

Poseidon is the weapon that we know better! (Or we think we know it haha)

Okay, we have all the information about it, but we need to see it in another way!

Following the CCC theory, we have:

Conductor - Shirahoshi. Carriage - Noah. Calvary - The Seakings.

Yeah, that makes sense for Poseidon but what about Pluton and Uranus? I'll explain!

But, first of all, I believe that everyone knows who Poseidon, Pluton, and Uranus are, right? (I'm talking about mythology).

A god of the Sea, a god of the earth, and a god of the sky.

Well, let's talk about Pluton!

Almost every "no Japanese" One Piece's fandom thinks that Pluton is just a ship (or a Warship) and that's true (at least one part).

So, in the Japanese version, when they are talking about Pluton, they didn't say exactly that it's a ship (or at least not how we all know, but okay).

Yeah, Franky had a layout of the ship and I agree with it! And we all know that there's already one in the OP's universe (and it's probably at Alabasta), right?

In Enies Lobby is spoken that a ship like that was built a long time ago in Water Seven.

Back in Alabasta, Cobra was going to say something to Robin but he stopped! And it was related to Pluton.

I think that this part of Pluton is in Alabasta and Cobra knew it (now Vivi must know!). We know that the Nefertari's family was one of the 20 who created WG.

And I think that it's a ship which can dig roles and goes underground. (In Gedatsu's Cover Story, we can see him digging roles and arriving in Alabasta. Just information).

So, okay! Pluton is a ship? Not exactly! The ship is just a part of Pluton (the Carriage). But what about the Conductor and the Calvary?

We have already the answer! Momonosuke and Zunisha!

At this moment, we have just 3 characters who can "hear the things": Luffy, Momonosuke, and Shirahoshi.

Shirahoshi can control the Seakings and Momo can control Zunisha!

Both of them can control creatures that can literally easily destroy islands and perhaps the world.

Both of them are from a royal family. One in the Sea and the other in the earth.

Both of them are connected to Luffy. They respect and admire Luffy. They started to change because of him. They want to be "as strong as Luffy".

And after reading Oden's logbook, Momo says to Shinobu that he REALLY can't die. (Maybe he already knows he's Pluton).

So, for just until now we have:

Poseidon: Conductor - Shirahoshi. Carriage - Noah. Calvary - Seakings.

Pluton: Conductor - Momonosuke. Carriage - Warship which layout was burned by Franky. Calvary - Zunisha.

Let's now talk about Uranus!

Well, I think you guys are wondering what can be the Calvary and the Carriage of Uranus (you already know that the Conductor is Aisa). Starting with the Calvary...

Everyone knows that Elbaf is based on Norse mythology. So, we have Yggdrasil, the giant tree that connects all worlds. in Norse mythology, there is a huge bird that lives on top of that tree. A bird that flies over the world and, according to mythology, can carry an elephant with its claws (Zunisha ???) and fight the world’s snake (remember Dory and Broggy talk about the RED line being a blood snake?).

Do you guys remember the giant egg in Roger's ship? Yeah, me too! And I think that it was the egg of that bird!

Okay, before we continue with the theory, I’d like to talk a little bit about why Skypiea is the most important saga in the first part of One Piece.

Skypiea is the saga that is directly connected with the lost century. (I’m sure you’ve all seen "The Best One Piece Theory" from Ohara, right? I agree with almost everything but the part where Laugh Tale is in Enies Lobby, this part doesn’t make sense, but it’s a subject for another theory! Haha)

Well, in Skypiea the Black Beard's Pirates are introduced, as well the Gorousei, the first appearance of Newgate, Sanji reveals that he is from North Blue (about this has a very amazing fact! It is the first time that Sanji finds a photo of a woman and does not "act normally" because the woman in the photo was too similar to her mother :/), Cony’s father talks about a metal that comes from the ashes of a volcano in the blue sea that reaches to the islands of the sky (Mount Fuji, the capital of flowers), we also have the sun God, the moon and many other things! And we also know that the people of Skypiea (Shandora), the fishmens, the Minks and the residents of Wano are directly connected to the lost century and the ancient kingdom.

So let’s continue the theory. Regarding Carriage, we already have it! And we've already seen it!

Yeah, the Arc Maxim! Enel asked to build it, but we were never told how he got the layout of that ship. I believe he found it in God’s room when he invaded it and decided to build it because "it is worthy of a god".

So now we have the 3 Carriages. One that walks underwater, one that walks on the ground, and one that walks in the air.

Now, all that’s left is the Uranus Conductor!

Aisa is it and I’ll prove it!

So, first of all, we all know that Aisa was born with a stupidly powerful observation Aki! Since her birth, she could "hear" the whole archipelago. That’s absurd! (Enel could do it because of him devil fruit, but Aisa don't have any and she was a kid.)

Just like Momonosuke and Shirahoshi, Aisa also began to admire Luffy, she was saved and motivated by him. She decided to get stronger because of him! There are only three children who "did it" for Luffy! Yeah, these 3!

But wait, there's more!
We all know that Shandore has a royal family. Ok. Oda didn't show us who were Aisa parents, but I’m sure she’s descended from the royal family of heaven. Maybe the skypieans and the shandians are hiding this information to protect her.

So now we have a representative of the oceans, one of the earth, and one of the sky! After all, Joyboy is the person who connects all the races in the world, right?

And finally (and also for those who are not yet convinced, I will comment on some things I found when I started researching Uranus, the god of mythology).

Just look what I've found:

"Póntos (the Sea) was born from the symbolic union of Gaia with Éter. And among the sons begotten from the Primordial Egg, Uranus was the greatest, most powerful god. However, all began to fear and respect a son born of Nix and Chaos: called himself Móros (the adverse Destiny), that all beings, even the gods, submitted.

As it was an undefined being, without sex, it was also called Aisa, the great conditioner of life, the part, the lot, the lot, the lot, what to each one fit by luck, the Destiny itself."

Yeah! Primordial Egg, Uranus, AISA!

And there's more, in Skypiea Aisa always suffered a lot when she realized someone was dying in Skypeia, and if you remember " it was also called Aisa, the great conditioner of life", so...

THAT IS IT!

Poseidon: Conductor - Shirahoshi. Carriage - Noah. Calvary - Seakings.

Pluton: Conductor - Momonuske. Carriage - Warship. Calvary - Zunisha.

Uranus: Conductor - Aisa. Carriage - Arc Maxim. Calvary - Huge Bird that lives in Yggdrasil.

Some may be wondering how Aisa will return to history since Skypiea meets right at the beginning of the Grand Line, well we have already the answer!

Remember that back in Skypiea we discovered that there are 2 ways to enter the island? By the Knockup Stream and by the "main entrance". Oda never showed us what that entrance is, but we can already guess how to get to it!

In Elbaf we have Yggdrasil, the tree that connects all worlds! So the main entrance to Skypiea must be through it!

So, after reading it, what do you think? o/ Oda is A FUCKING GENIUS!

[modest skiff]

@teal scaffold this channel is intended for long form theories rather than things that are funny and/or fan art

[warm dew]

The True History of the Rocks Pirates and Fullalead Island: 1042 Spoilers

Rock's actual full name is Rocks D. Xebec, so why is his pirate crew the Rocks pirates instead of the Xebec pirates or something else relating to him? I don't actually think there are any pirate crews with the captain's last name as the crew name, the closest I'm aware of is the Big Mom pirates, and that's Charlotte Linlin's nickname, not her last name, or even her actual name. So with that, why is the crew called the Rocks pirates? We'll get into that later, but first I have something else to discuss.

As we all know, the Rocks Pirates all were gathered on Fullalead Island, an island that is literally known as Pirate Island. Like the Rocks Pirates, Fullalead is also shrouded in mystery, but there are a couple things we understand about it:

• It was home to the Rocks pirates (In Chapter 1049 Kaido went to Fullalead Island, and then in the next scene was shown to be part of the Rocks Pirates, so we can assume that Kaido came to Fullalead knowing that Xebec was there, or at least someone strong)
• It is known as Pirate Island, and is the place where the Davy Back Fight is from.
• Fullalead's centerpiece is a massive shape of rock that looks like a skull with a bandana and a scar through its right eye.
• According to the One Piece wiki, it is inspired by Tortuga Island and Port Royal in Jamaica, which were both large pirate havens for Caribbean piracy in the 1600s, with Port Royal specifically being called the "Sodom of the New World" and a pirate utopia.

With all of those hard facts about Fullalead Island and the Rocks Pirates established, let's move on to the bulk of the theory itself.
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Now, back to the question of why the Rocks Pirates are named the way they are. It is clearly inspired by Xebec's last name, Rocks, but why call it Rocks and not something else? Obviously, we don't know enough about the whole picture to say anything for certain, but there are a few key questions to ask about Fullalead Island. Why is it so infamous to the point where it is named after piracy itself, the driving force of this era, and why would someone construct a massive skull built to look like those on a pirate flag?

Well, to gain the title of something like Pirate Island, Fullalead must have had a very deep history of piracy, potentially being a Pirate Haven, similarly to Port Royal. This thought of it being a pirate haven is backed up by the reactions of people on Fullalead Island at the defeat of the Rocks Pirates at God Valley in Chapter 1049, referring to the group as a separate entity, proving that there were other pirate groups on Fullalead Island that aren't members of the Rocks Pirates. It is also called "a paradise for pirates" by Blackbeard in chapter 925, and is stated to have become a paradise for pirates "a long time ago". Additionally, Fullalead was where Davy Back Fights were created, which adds credence to the idea of Fullalead's importance in pirate history, although we don't know if they were invented before or after Fullalead was christened Pirate Island.
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However, this opens up another question. If Fullalead was so important, why hasn't the Navy attacked it? Well right now, that's because it's home to Blackbeard, who's a Yonko and is strong enough that it wouldn't exactly be a very trivial task to attack him at his home base, and we can assume there was a similar situation when Xebec was on the island. That implies that even before Xebec's time, Fullalead was home to some powerful individuals, powerful enough to be able to hold the Navy at bay from destroying their "pirate paradise". These hypothetical individuals would also likely act similarly to Blackbeard, who acted very much like the King of Fullalead Island, worrying about Moria "disturbing the peace ... on Pirate Island", living in the massive monument at the center of the island, and even had a den-den mushi by him in what appears to be a throne room of sorts that can give announcements to the entire island.

How about the second question? Well, I believe that this pirate skull was actually constructed by those powerful individuals from the past either in the period right before or right after Fullalead gained its title as Pirate Island. My reasoning for this is that the building essentially acts as both a castle for the rulers of Fullalead and as a monument to Piracy itself. There is in fact, even more evidence for this. If you look at all of the images of Fullalead, the skull is shown to absolutely dwarf the rest of the buildings on the island by a landslide.
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Additionally, the material that the skull (and the rest of the buildings) are made out of look completely different to the rest of the terrain that we can see on the island (a grey stone), so they would have had to get that massive amount of material from somewhere else, and that's not even mentioning the insane amount of time and manpower it would take to create it. The only people who could actually successfully manage a project of that scale would have to have enough influence on the island in order to do it, the ability to actually order a massive amount of people around to do it, enough ships to actually be able to transport that much material efficiently, and the strength in order to protect all of it from raids from other pirates and the Navy. The sheer scale of the project and the expenses it would take to make it would surely mean those who reside inside of it the best of the best, pirates great enough to rule over a paradise full of countless other pirates.

Now, how does this all connect back to Rocks? So far, our timeline of rulers is as follows:

Year ???? ("a long time ago"): Initial founder of Pirate Island and the person who built the skull → Countless other leaders → Year ???? (closer to present day) to Year 1487 (38 years ago): Rocks D. Xebec until his death at God Valley → Year 1487 (38 years ago) to Year 1523 (2 years ago): ???? → Year 1523 (2 years ago) - Present: Marshal D. Teach (Blackbeard)
This is done more cleanly in a visual here: https://i.imgur.com/lgn15ui.png
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As we can see, there is a massive gap between Fullalead's founding and Xebec's reign of an undetermined quantity of years, and given we know that Fullalead became a pirate paradise "a long time ago", we can assume this is quite a while, although we don't really know where it would be relative to the Void Century (I won't be really discussing how the Void Century ties into all of this in this theory though). Now, given Fullalead Island's moniker and the two known rulers, it's pretty safe to assume that both the founder and the rest of the rulers between our two known ones were also pirates.

Now, what is the connection between the two known rulers, Xebec and Blackbeard? There have already been countless other theories on this subject, and it's been talked to death, so I won't bother to explain this thread fully. Basically, there are a ton of different connections between Xebec and Blackbeard, and one of the more prevalent thoughts in the community is that Blackbeard is Xebec's son or related to Xebec in some shape or form.

If we know that two of its rulers are related, would it be a stretch to say that many of the rest are as well? It would explain why the Navy continuously hasn't invaded Fullalead, if it has always been ruled by a series of powerful pirates, a ruling class of pirate kings or queens that have kept the island safe from invading forces for centuries and helped maintain Fullalead's reputation as Pirate Island, being perpetually ruled over by ones.

So what does this mean? I believe that the Rocks family been ruling over Pirate Island for centuries, with Rocks D. Xebec and Blackbeard simply being the latest members of the Fullalead Royalty.

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Let's bring this back to the question that started this all: Why are the Rocks Pirates called the Rocks Pirates? Well, if the Rocks family have been Fullalead's Rulers, the Rocks Pirates could be a generational pirate crew, always captained by the current ruler of Fullalead. This could actually explain a lot of things, such as the peculiar way in which Big Mom describes being in the Rocks Pirates, saying "so this is your first time teaming up with Rocks?" to Kaido in chapter 1041. Because the Rocks Pirates would persist long after the previous generations of the crew's members have died, there would need to be a system in which to recruit other pirates who found their way onto Fullalead Island into the Rocks Pirates, to be able to make sure there are always members in the crew, to allow it to persist. And what is this system? Davy Back Fights.

I'm sure you're all familiar with the rules, but I'll go over them pretty quickly here. Two pirate crews play some sets of games, and whichever crew wins a match can take either a crewmate of the losing crew, or the loser's jolly roger. This system would be very useful for the Rocks Pirates to gain new members, as Fullalead is full of countless different pirate crews due to its status as a pirate paradise. Between expeditions, the Rocks Pirates could stop by at Fullalead and challenge the other strongest crew on the island at the time to be able to gain new members.
_ _

There's actually still even more to it. Why is the system to preserve the Rocks Pirates called Davy Back Fights? Well, in chapter 306, Sanji says "Davy takes whatever he likes from the sea, just like how the winner takes what he likes from the loser. So they named the game 'Davy Back Fight'", which means that the system made by the Rocks Pirates to preserve their crew is intrinsically linked to Davy Jones. From that, we know that whoever created and named the Davy Back Fights had a special relationship with Davy Jones, to the point where they would name one of the most important functions of Fullalead Island and the Rocks Pirates after him. Why would Davy Jones be so important to the Rocks? Well, that's because he may have been one himself, maybe even the original founder of Fullalead himself! Davy Jones was likely his nickname or epithet, like how Marshal D. Teach is generally called Blackbeard instead of Teach, so Davy Jones very well could have been a Rocks himself.

We've dived deep into the history of Fullalead Island and the Rocks Pirates, and uncovered so much, so I'll quickly go over all of the main points:

• Fullalead Island is incredibly old, with a rich history and has had a ruling family throughout most of its history
• Said ruling family are the Rocks
• The Rocks Pirates are a generational pirate crew, being held intact throughout the past via Davy Back Fights
• The original ruler of Fullalead, the one who constructed the skull, is Davy Jones

Thank you so much for reading, and I hope you enjoyed my theory!

how much do I have to bribe you with to get you to pin the above theory?

[stark path]

Hear me out here...what if the fullalead island was once part of the ancient kingdom and might hold the secrets of will of D, people that defy "gods"

[warm edge]

IMAGINE L;MAO

[stark path]

I do think that what Sengoku said about Rocks and God Valley was pushing the WG agenda, for all we know is that after the incident Garp started hating on the world nobles and refuses admiral promotion. Maybe Rocks knew of the void century and tried to wage war on the WG? But then what were CD's doing there on the God Valley and was that incident what inspired Roger to find the One Piece?

[gloomy canyon]

Nice, gimme a second to get home then I’ll pin it

[tranquil orchid]

I have a question.
If the wg said the son god nika hasn't been seen in 800 years, why did they say the papers should be reprinted??
Like who'll know who the sun god is ??

[stark path]

Prominent figures like former Roger pirates who've learned who Joyboy is, also potentially Shanks and Dragon

[bitter helm]

People like shanks, kaido, dragon, maybe big mom, Garp, Nico Robin, zunesha

Do you guys think that rocks will come back cause he is still in impel down

[stark path]

No he's not he's long since dead, his will has been passed on to BB most likely

[acoustic gale]

Perfect representation of new generation being all guffy like(ik BB is old but he count as new) while shanks the old is serious like others before him
And also a possibility for buggy to be as D as all of them laugh but im just a crazy fan yonko pics

[acoustic gale]

Many many people

[slender fulcrum]

All the Lunarian too

[sturdy pollen]

there are no more lunarian, King was the last one

[acoustic gale]

U missed the joke

[tranquil orchid]

Imagine luffy was joyboy all along in a time loop, the straw hat was originally his, then passed it down to him again

[slender fulcrum]

All the Lunarians then

[warm dew]

Hear me out: If it was it wouldn't exist anymore and WG would have nuked it

||Although I do believe that it does hold some ancient history still in it, which I'll bring up later lol||

Also, thanks a lot @gloomy canyon <3

[worthy garden]

main entrance being ygdrassil is actually good

[fiery cliff]

i want to report this theory written a couple years ago from frostdesigns on reddit, i think its pretty good: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hqrsh4/spoilers_vivi_will_return_to_the_strawhats/

[fiery cliff]

and also i would like to discuss a possible theory about nami's powerup because as of now shes more or less a chicken wing to literally everyone (Zeus didnt do too much as powerup either).
I read online about her inheriting big mom's soru soru (if big mom is dead) not on choice (bc she would sell) but for need. She needs a powerup to stay up to the level so as of now there are two paths: df or haki, taking for granted she has no predisposition to haki's mastering nor time to work on it, df would sound like the only reliable choice.

soru soru no mi has the extra power life or death indeed, but that requires people to fear her (not nami's case even if she did have the df) and that is why big mom+soru soru is insanely strong, but big mom as the age of 5 without df killed every giant in the village. This way if anyone else eat this fruit they won't become as strong as big mom, not even close.

Oda may have had left a couple of hints:

1. nami could control big mom homies (little animated creatures), yes she did use BM vivre card to do it, but that could be seen as a sort of preconfiguration as she's the only one who managed to do so.
2. big mom as of now is the person who has the strongest control of climate in one piece and if nami gets to use the fruit she might gain some good strenght.

This is extremely arranged and im sorry for you reader, im not the best english speaker, ping me for replies.

[stark path]

Honestly a pretty interesting read, though I honestly think that the "prize" BB is looking for to get it before the navy may be Uranus or Shirahoshi

[modest skiff]

@winged cedar please no jokes in this channel

[hot heart]

this is honestly a god tier theory

Luffy has no obvious reason to fight the WG, to justify a final war vs them, this covers that and fills in a so many other plot holes. this is dude needs to go outside and touch grass level of analysis i'm impressed. I definitely believe a lot of it's likely to occur at least

[drowsy isle]

wait they dont?

[raven knot]

No

[lime pasture]

does this count as a joke?

[wet patio]

Does what?

[halcyon tusk]

nope. the “D Water” part of Law’s name has never been in his wanted poster as it isn’t common knowledge. he’s only told a few people his full name

[versed hamlet]

1. this is a copy paste theory from reddit that you took
2. there's no confirmation that the tree in elbaf is yggdrassil yet.
   3, also i dont know about if momo is pluton just yet, it's still hidden and it'd be silly if the ancient weapon was ALL the sea kings vs 1 elephant, doesn't make sense.
3. i don't understand the connection bewteen skypiea and elbaf? seems to be glanced over
4. whats so special about the carriages, too? its not like noah or the ark maxim have any similarities, and whatever ship the water 7 shipwrights make all have different purpsoes

[modest skiff]

He did say it wasn't his theory

[sacred hawk]

Since the anime will probably reach the point where Luffy gets CoC coating before the actual release of Film Red, Luffy will probably have CoC coating in the movie

[versed hamlet]

The exception would be the Donquixote Pirates, because it's not named the Doflamingo pirates. Is there anything you have to say about that exception?

[versed hamlet]

Sorry, didnt catch that

[eternal dove]

Hello I have a question. In anime, there is a small clip in the intros where blackbeard and Luffy was about to fight and they were both wearing cloaks and gold chains. Is that in a movie or something animes made up? Cos I dont remember any of that in any arcs

[versed hamlet]

I think you're talking about the Opening song, Wake up (17), right? All of the strawhats have like really fancy outfits? Yeah, that's just filler stuff to make the opening look cooler, then. Never happened in the actual story. That q is better asked for #also-manga tho @eternal dove

[eternal dove]

ok thank you. I was actually trying to figure out where to ask this question

[warm dew]

I do actually

I showed the theory to Parvision on his stream, and we actually came up with several other similar crews, although not explicitly with the last name, although very similar.

Those are the Donquixote Pirates, Bonney Pirates, Drake Pirates, and Barrels Pirates

I don’t have a full properly written explanation for those pirate crews, but that is on the way.

Basically, my current thought process is something like this:
The Rocks Pirates are a crew of Pirates, captained by a lineage of influential Pirates. Most likely, the current iteration of the Rocks Pirates is in the form of the Blackbeard Pirates.
The Donquixote Pirates are a crew of Pirates, captained by someone with the lineage of a Celestial Dragon.
The Bonney Pirates are a crew of Pirares, captained by someone we know practically nothing about but is seemingly immortal, and has ties to royalty, so is speculated to be a crew of Pirates, captained by a single person with enough age to represent countless generations, with a history of royalty
The Barrels Pirates are a crew of Pirates, captained by a family with the history of former Navy turned Pirate. The current iteration of this crew is the Drake Pirates

Basically, there is a connection between all of these crews, and that is that they all had some sort of defining trait in their family, which were more than not generally pirates. The two main exceptions are the Donquixote Pirares (no former generation of pirates, Doflamingo is the first, but we don’t know the origins of the Donquixote Family, so there may have been another crew of the same name in the far past, although that doesn’t matter too much, because the important part is the importance placed on the family legacy)

What I’m trying to day in this mess of words is that almost all of the examples I can think of of Pirate Crews named after themselves or their family are almost all generational pirate crews with defining characteristics that have persisted (likely via inherited will)

[versed hamlet]

Before i read the rest, Bonney and Drake aren't exceptions. Jewelry is her last name and Drake's is unknown.

[versed hamlet]

Ah, good rebuttal and i like what you're saying. Something that doesn't make sense about the Donquixote pirates though then is that Doflamingo was the first in their lineage to have a pirate crew though

[warm dew]

Yep, Doffy is a bit whack

However, these crews do have to start somewhere tbh

Also, the Doffy Pirates (I can’t fucking type Donquixote so I’m just calling them that) is structured as a family and there are many younger members that could have taken Doffy’s place as the leader, although then the Celestial Dragon part falls apart

Then it could shift from Celestial Dragon to being characterized by the extreme amounts of manipulation and deception

[fading wolf]

1. yes, thats why i put comment that one theory said that, I didn't said thats my theory, but i think that was very logical theory and should be pinned
2. see one piece chapter 865, if you research more regarding yggrasil you will realize oda already hinted the tree in there
3. the pluton can be zunisha, in my view, ancient weapon is make sense if it was momo, why?

See the pattern

Poseidon -> Shirahoshi - Noah - Sea King
Pluton -> Momonosuke - <unknown> - Zunisha
Uranus -> Aisa - Maxim - <unkwnown>

4. its very clear when you see one piece chapter 865 huge tree in elbaf. If there a way to reach sky island from blue sea, it must be something can reach the sky, most logical is yggrasil.
   I know this point is not strong enough, but interesting to discuss.

5. Bassically, carriages is made for transport , in this case, peoples. Noah for fishman. Zunisha for minks. Maxim for winged race. Im not sure regarding this but it start to make sense.

[muted tangle]

The skypiean people might be descendants of lunarian tribe who made the Maxim in the first place, Joyboy had connections with fishman island people as we saw the apology letter and King was so much interested in Kaido because he thought that kaido might be the next Joyboy.

[feral nova]

If the government sets the bounties, why they want now to remove the D? They decided the name since the beginning... ☹️

[fading wolf]

Yes. I really believe skypiea is key arc of one piece.

Since beginning, ODA leave huge mystery regarding winged race, maxim, moon, its all related to the lunarian tribe.

Maybe, Lunarian tribe live in mariejoa in the past? Taken by celestial dragon, erased from history?

[muted tangle]

The only 3 times where Joyboy was mentioned was by fishmen, zunesha in wano and king (Kaido probably got to know about it from King). I do see a good connection here.

Also, opening of wano might directly be connected with Pluton. Closed borders probably means stopping people from getting access to Pluton.

[fading wolf]

Exactly. Pluton must be related to a warship/tools that can be activated with requirements, the carriage and conductor. It's ancient, so must be mythological and not something modern.

Pluton must be not an advance technology warship in the past
It should be ancient traditional technology design

For example:

• Huge sword in onigashima actually is a weapon can be used only by Zunisha?
• Huge skeleton in onigashima maybe is a helmet for Zunisha?

Zunisha always mention he prepare to fight

If you want to have more data backup this theory, It's already foreshadowed in water 7 in spandam sword.

Now it make clear, Aisa is potentially will be the key of missing link of winged tribe and lunarian tribe?
Who know?

Oda is not a type make character have special ability for no reason.

Why Oda make Aisa can hear everything for no purpose in first place?
Why Oda make she has mantra since kid?
Why Aisa connected to Luffy with the same pattern with Shirahoshi and Momo?

Skypiea left a lot of unsolved mystery

Skypiea already foreshadow a lot about ending of one piece

More data you can see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jushb4oZqIg

[fading wolf]

Joy Boy aka Sun God already mention hundred years ago by Calgara daughter https://prnt.sc/CXBuHXSdzx7r

Calgara already mention that they respect their ancestor, they protect their homeland is not for protect the Gold and treasures, instead they protect the message that written in poneglyph, which related promise from the past from their ancestor.

[red meadow]

What if toki is a nefetari and from alabasta 800 years ago. The similarities between toki and vivi are countless, blue hair, their determination and many more things. As we know from the new chapter, the pluton is currently in land of Wano. So what if toki's mission was to retrieve the weapon from the future or activate it using her royal blood for the final battle. To further prove this, from oden's flashback when he first met toki she said she wants to go to the land of wano. She even said it to whitebeard and was despereate to go to wano. While on board she must've noticed the situation in wano was not as she expected maybe using her df powers or potential awakening so she decided to marry oden and have kids with him who would not only have the nefetari royal blood but also the royal blood of wano, so momo and hiyori can one day awaken the pluton and use it under their command.

[fiery cliff]

I like this theory but i think it doesn't fit Toki's character design to marry oden just for her kids to have nerfertari's blood. Could be partially a good guess btw.

[muted tangle]

Toki is from Amatsuki clan iirc

[regal raptor]

Wano got the pluton, roger's pirate didn't went to wano, maybe one of the reason they can't get the one piece? Pluton might need to charge to be use it's power.

[gilded pumice]

so buggy clearly didnt do something that impressive if they call him bombastic (high-sounding but with little meaning; inflated)

[split dagger]

So wano arc is not over, but I think the saga of yonkos is over, yes I'm saying that the wano arc will be the first arc to be in two sagas, because after the last chapter we have 2 need yonkos, so in my opion that saga is over, after the break will enter the last act of wano in a new saga.

[empty narwhal]

I think yonko saga will be over with a bb vs shanks war? That means the old yonko will now be totally replaced with new ones. Of course if shanks lose

[halcyon tusk]

i don’t think BB necessarily HAS to fight Shanks for his goal to be reached. it’s gonna happen anyway cause Shanks will force a confrontation on his own since he ain’t been able to get no damn body to listen to wtf he tried to tell em but even still, Shanks probably won’t die in the fight.

[pure raven]

Man I gotta read these shanks theories later none of them better be about evil shanks @pure raven (tag for later)

[halcyon tusk]

ive never understood the appeal of Evil Shanks

[pure raven]

I do. Ppl like plot twist and like shanks meeting with the goresi is big for evil shanks won’t lie

[halcyon tusk]

or here’s a thought. the man is trying to stop an evil man and nobody is listening to him and out a sense of all else fails so fuck it i’ll ask the government whom also probably didn’t accept his plea for help and is now going to be forced into a battle he isn’t sure he can win because if he doesn’t try then i goes against everything that matters to him at his core and in turn threatens the well-being of everyone.

[pure raven]

So joyboy also made promise to minks?

[pure raven]

I don’t agree with it but I see it’s Appel and it is a bit off that shanks is the only pirate to know the goresi I don’t believe in evil shanks but I do think shanks a bit more gray then ppl give him credit for

[halcyon tusk]

i could be wrong and honestly i’ll take that L when and if it comes but i don’t believe for a second it will happen. furthermore i think any whom believe the opposite to be true are only setting themselves up for disappointment. what is romantic about the man whom inspired our protagonist turning out to be the main threat to the values he himself brought about

i can’t see any way oda can twist that to encapsulate the romance he was originally going to name the story after

be that as it may. i respect your stance on it and i have no right to say you’re wrong for it or that it’s bad cause i don’t agree with it. agree to disagree for the sake of discussion at a later time when more is on the table to add to or take away from our own ideas

[nocturne light]

Ace was supposed to inherit joyboys will but in a freak accident fate twisted and Luffy became it instead

[pure raven]

Doubt. Idk how or why ace would relate to joyboy. Like anyone can inherits joyboy and his will it’s not like only one person.

[sand sail]

This sounds like Morj's recent theory, there are more than a few holes to it though. If you have more to say on it, we prefer longer, thought out theory posts for the sake of creating meaningful discussion

Dropping a one liner is generally frowned upon in this channel

[echo musk]

Pluton Theory

• maybe it really was a battle ship that is in the land of wano (the original one)
• the reason why we have the blueprint and the original is for back up plan, if ever the original pluton has been stolen, a shipwright from water 7 can replicate it and destroy it
• the reason why momo orders zunesha not to open the land of wano's border is because he know's they were not ready to protect all of the good stuff that they have including pluton
• remember the maxim? for me pluton was similar to maxim
• the pairopuroine makes the skypeia fly - maybe this substance can make pluton fly as well
• and pairopuroine is abundant in wano
• about the raigo attack of maxim - maybe there is a another substance that can be found in wano that is similar to plutonium - plutonium is a substance that can create atomic bomb and nuclear weapon
• added to that, maybe pluton also build with materials similar to poneglyph that makes it indestructible
• lastly, the location of pluton maybe in the prison mine udon - it must be under wano country or under the vocano
• basically, Momo & Kaido knows where is the location of Pluton and Franky & Enel has the idea how it looks like and how it is made

jsut dropping it here, hope this makes sense and have a nice day a head!

[nocturne light]

Okie thanks

[slender oak]

No, Luffy beat crocodile without Haki

[ember prairie]

Vaccum cleaner beats smoker and Caeser

[sand sail]

Guys

This is not only not the place for power scaling

[slender oak]

Uhh no, vacuum clear we cleans dust not smoke and gas

[sand sail]

This isn't the channel for other series either

Do not talk about either here please

[buoyant wind]

Hello all after a lengthy drive and a talk with my lovely wife, @thorn vale, she has coaxed me into posting this theory on Yamato. I know and I have heard all the different takes on Yamato and her sexuality/gender. And only in today’s culture do I feel that we would miss the point only to argue amongst ourselves. This is my theory on the situation. Yamato wants to be Oden. Yamato's desire to be Oden stems from reading his history and his adventures through his log book. Yamato followed Oden's adventures all through his life. Yamato can see that he not only lived an exciting fulfilling life on the seas but in the flashback, we see he knew he had a responsibility to the world and his nation. He decides to help Gol D. Roger on his adventure by fighting by his side and reading the Poneglyph for him. Upon returning he sees what Kaido and Orochi have done to his country. He decides to do the unthinkable and perform his Oden dance realizing that no matter what, no matter how degrading or shameful this is the means justify the ends. He will become a laughing stock from being the strongest most beloved samurai. A change that was hard not only on him but his family as well. We see this when he tells Hiyori it will be worth it. He can continue on because he has the love of his family. He does all this and fulfills his side of the bargain fully believing Kaido and Orochi will fulfill their side as well. We learn this is untrue and Oden ends up losing his life to protect his friends in the end. He failed at his mission but it's easy to forget his mission wasn't to become Shogun. His will was to open Wano only to allow a special someone to enter Wano. Becoming Shogun was only to allow him to open the boarders so who we think is Joy Boy may enter. This is why Yamato wants to be Oden. Now let's get to the Theory. Kaido as we see in his first flashback wanted to rid the world of oppression and slavery. He knows firsthand how cruel the World Government can be with their experiments and slavery. He frees King and tells them he is the only one who can change the world. King tells him as long as he is the strongest King will follow him. This furthers Kaido’s belief that the only way he can contribute is through his power. He was here only to dominate. He alone can save this world through his strength. We know this is his belief because in the second flashback he is used as a pawn because for his strength. He is given to the Marines for his only value, his only worth, his strength. The Flashback ends with the Rocks Pirates going to God Valley. We do not know what happens their but I believe this is where Kaido finds out that he isn’t the one to bring the Dawn. He isn’t the one to end the current Regime and he has to find the one who is. This is where I believe he learns that to bring forth the one who can change the world he must oppress the population even more. He must make a people so miserable that Joy Boy has to come forth. I think this tears him apart. I believe this is why he is drunk all the time. He can’t face who he has become but he is sacrificing his own sanity his own happiness to fulfill his duty. He hates himself for doing what he knows he has to do to bring forth Joy Boy. This is why he wants to die. This is why he is so jealous of Roger and Whitebeard for being able to further the race for liberation in their death. These were worthy deaths and he wants the same. Not only would it rid him of the burden he carries becoming what he hates most by enslaving Wano but still let him leave this plane knowing that he has further pushed this world closer to the New Dawn. When Luffy defeats him and he realizes that Luffy must be Joy Boy I believe he has had his burden lifted. He will believe that only because of the oppression that Wano has suffered and the fight Luffy and him have had (Luffy loses 3 times to Kaido) he has brought forth Joy Boy.

I believe what we are about to see is going to be a beautiful end for Kaido. I believe Green Bull will enter The Flower Capital and we will see devastation. I believe that tragedy is on the way. Green Bull will dominate and desperation will sink in to the alliance and the continued celebration in Wano. When Green Bull is on the cusp of capturing Luffy Kaido will appear. I can see Kaido showing up and handing Yamato his log book that will reveal to Yamato Kaido’s true feelings, his reasoning and his resolve in how hard it was for him to not only realize he isn’t the man to save the world but he had to become what he hates most in order to bring forth the person who can save the world. I believe this is where Kaido will achieve his beautiful death. One worthy of the greatest villain in the story. An end to the strongest creature in the world. This will help Yamato realize who her father truly was and in turn she will see that Kaido suffered more than Oden. Kaido fought harder and had the shocking reality that being the strongest creature in the world wasn’t enough to bring the New Dawn. In that crushing realization he did the unthinkable and in turn became the miserable beast he was. He gives the ultimate sacrifice so Joy Boy can escape. This will then allow Yamato to read his log book as she did Oden’s and Yamato will then understand that she is herself. The child of the Strongest creature alive. Inheriting Kaido’s will to rid the world of the World Government’s oppression and in turn do everything she can to help Joy Boy succeed. She will become Yamato.

[thorn vale]

It chokes me up and gives me tears

[buoyant wind]

In all fairness I think the Foxy arc gave you tears

[pure raven]

Never thought I'd let a theory make me tear up

[thorn vale]

Jokes on you babe I skipped Foxy 😌

[thorn vale]

Right!? Lol he gets so deep and he paints a really good picture with words

[pure raven]

I have to say that I'd enjoy this a lot more than Luffy just not letting Yamato join the crew until they acknowledge that they're themself and not Oden

[buoyant wind]

lol I'm just giving you a hard time. Oda gonna Oda. Just glad we're around to witness it. Thanks @pure raven I think it would be amazing and Oda always comes through. Yamato is gonna shock the world when she says she Yamato and still showers with the boys because Oda DGAF.

[thorn vale]

Fair though I cry at everything 😅

And that would be hilarious!

[umbral swallow]

What exactly did buggy do to become yonko

[thorn vale]

The same thing he did to become shichibukai.

[buoyant wind]

I'm guessing Major events have gone on outside of Wano. This is made even esaier being as Wano receives no News Papers. The only reason they got the paper was Apoo. A theory I really like is that to throw the World Government off the "certain pirate" Shanks told the Gorosei about was actually Buggy lol

[dusty prism]

Okay hear me out, Shanks meeting with the goresei was to push for Yonko Buggy

Oh I didn’t see the comment above mine lmao

[hollow grotto]

Really love the work you put into this theory and it's a fun idea. I'd love if that was how the story of Kaido ended.

[buoyant wind]

Thank you!!! Even if this isn't how it goes I have faith Oda has something up his sleeve for Kaido

[hollow grotto]

Oh definitely, there's got to be more to it than this. But even if there isn't, I'm still pretty satisfied with Wano

[pearl ermine]

Toki, a member of the Akatsuki or whatever family from Wano, was a Celestial Dragon as her family sided with WG against AK. She is told her son will be key to controlling Pluton (possibly Zunesha?) and stole the time travel fruit to escape a situation where she is forced to have a son for him to be stripped away and used by the WG.

[fathom matrix]

OK SHIT I JUST REALISED

WHAT IF SABO WAS BLAMED FOR KILLING A CELESTIAL DRAGON INSTEAD!

SOMEONE MENTIONED HIS FACE WAS ON A BILLBOARD OR SOMETHING IN THE LATEST CHAPTER!

What if someone was praising him for "killing one" but he's being sentenced to death or he's in massive trouble, and Dragon's like "shit, this isn't good, if Sabo did kill one, there's gonna be hell for us, we need to confirm this"

Sure, to the world he's a hero for taking down a horrible monster, but it's more complicated

Cause if the R.A are labelled as murderers or their chief of staff is pointed to blame, the CDs have the ego and the right to just go mad or give orders to rip apart any R.A member, AND THAT'S WHY THE WORLD'S IN CHAOS!

Cobra might be alive and is captured by the Gorosei, Vivi's cpatures or went home to sort her situation out. But Saint Mjosgard might be dead

Cause none of the CD's really like him that much and guess what? Get him killed, blame sabo as the figure head, try and bait the R.A , have an excuse to cause shit, THERE

The death of a world noble, the R.A probably in a battle, Black Beard making a move, 2 Yonkos down, it's getting intense

[pure raven]

Dude, that was well said. I hope Oda really does that.

[pure raven]

I think Buggy may have awakened his Fruit and became too powerful for the government, and Riku & Cobra demanding that the Warlords be disbanded just gave them an excuse to reinstate his bounty.

[gaunt fractal]

I like the idea of the conquered must become the conqueror in order be a catalyst for change that sometimes the best thing for a better society is unfortunately tragedy and pain because only through experiencing unimaginable suffering can we as a society come together to right the sins of our predecessor because we wish for no one to suffer again after a huge tragedy

[buoyant wind]

I love it! Thanks for reading and expanding on the theory. Great input!

[stark path]

I don't really think so, CDs are their common enemy and Koala's,Dragon's and Ivankov's reactions were that of "Sabo would not do this" which leads me to believe that Sabo saved Vivi but he was framed of kidnapping her and killing Cobra instead, that's why Dragon said that they need to fact check this

[runic dawn]

Some one make a theory how Buggy became a Yonko.

[primal cargo]

Mihawk has joined up with him / is mistakenly thought to have joined up with him.
You know how people have often insisted on how Zoro is so strong but is still just Luffy's subordinate ? Well Buggy's gonna have that with Mihawk. Both captains with a "World's strongest swordsman" by their side

[stark path]

Most logical explanation for that is Buggy most likely has expanded his territory, most likely due to Luffy's deeds and influence in the underworld due to him being the only one being the weapons trader since Doffy is gone, and through some form of coincidence he managed to unite the former warlords(except Mihawk) under his flag which made him a fully fledged yonko but there are only a few people in the one piece world that know Buggy is a fraud that's falling upwards, that being Luffy,Nami and Zoro

[fair jay]

This was nice, but it doesn’t explain their reactions

[fair jay]

https://preview.redd.it/vmm8litvhso81.jpg?width=843&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ab1ce77b7f07ab11e103ac6861e0620ef65734c

[round quarry]

Which Admiral do you think the monster trio will fight? Personally I think Zoro will fight Greenbull, Sanji will fight Kizaru and Luffy will fight Akainu. Fujitora won't fight the strawhats.

[fathom matrix]

well, Sabo might be a fighter and a person who wants to support Dragon's revolution, BUT if you found out he killed a guy from a family that would probably cause wars over spilt milk, you'd probably be scared thinking "shit, what the fuck did you do, Sabo" but be sad knowing he might get executed

It may end up being Cobra TBH, but ya know what I mean

[fair jay]

That’s fair, I guess. Nice theory! The possibility though is that it is Cobra. The celestial dragons wouldn’t kill a fellow celestial dragon off like that.

[fathom matrix]

True, but CD's may get into arguments but can hit one another without too many reprocautions. Look at one funny as a commener and charlos would shoot you

[fair jay]

Killing off another celestial dragon isn’t really a good idea though. You’d probably get executed yourself and start a war between the two families, something the WG wouldn’t allow.

[fathom matrix]

Heck, if they did kill Mjosgard, they already kinda reject him and because he's become "human" they'd think good riddance

[dense carbon]

@mint prairie made a really good theory about Shanks and how Buggy became one. Not sure if its posted in here but I know its in #manga-serious

[fathom matrix]

true, but CD's don't have issues with rejecting one another

[fair jay]

I doubt that’s a good enough reason to kill another Celestial. Unless they clearly state that they want to become more “humane” like Donquixote did, they’re still celestials

[fathom matrix]

OH ACTUALLY, Shanks does care a LOT about Buggy, so it could be a genuine act of kindness like "you better not hurt my brother"

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, but they're still kinda fucked up in the head

They enslave everyone, even kids, murder over nothing, force people to eat devil fruits for fun, have multiple wives.

I'm sure they have no problems with killing on of their own if they show signs of humanity and reject them to an extent

One of them asked to build a bridge from one island to the next, it's been 500 years and it's not done...families were born on that island, they when they can lift a pickaze

It was probably on a whim too. But are you going to deny a CD's wishes, or do you want to be enslaved, fired, or literally fired via magma?

[stark path]

I think the biggest mystery for me atm is that how in the hell did Kuma send every straw hat at an island that fits them the most for training? He's either done a background check on all of them or Vegapunk must've helped out here

[pure raven]

@stark path Great Point maybe it was something do with dragon like he knew that his son needed training to awaken his devil fruit and instructed kuma to do that

[hot heart]

Buggy awakened and can now split atoms, i.e. nuclear tier attacks. Joke.. I'd say Captain John's treasure theory (i.e. he found it and it gave him a big boost power/resources that gives him a 'cheat' to avoid outright capture unless the WG invests big which they won't because they have bigger priorities right now) + he's taken over the criminal underworld (BB doesn't really care that much about shallow stuff like that, Shanks and Luffy don't at all) so Buggy has virtually no competition there given the downfall of many big actors recently. Chaotic evil types join BB, but Shanks and Luffy are more closed knit, so the rest go to Buggy so he has also probably had a lot of opportunities for expansion due to recent events, with many new members looking to join him. Basically, the only one Buggy seriously has avoid is BB, as Shanks and Luffy won't ever bother him - so he's benefited from all the attention Luffy has been attracting. All this and his mythical reputation has lucked him into being given the spot by the more ignorant. I think right now the WG would have to send a lot of resources to take him out so his status is psuedo-justified. + I'm open to the theory that Mihawk/Crocodile and a few others could be in his camp currently for their own benefits (even though they probably recognise Buggy is a meme)

[twilit crown]

I would say that there are many reasons for buggy becoming a yonko. The first theory is that he United all the warlords that were attacked and retaliated back to the marines. To back this theory up he probably controls many islands because of the amount of subordibates he has and probably has a say in the underworld as well since doflamingo is now captured. The second theory is that he got backup from a former roger pirate (not all of them have been revealed) and the world government saw him as a threat since he reunited with former cremates from the pirate Kings crew, he may have also made an alliance with shanks which has expanded his influence in the new world. The final theory is that he got serious and revealed his ture powers which could be the case, buggy is always joking around and isn't serious but what if something caused him to get serious and he finally showed his powers (possibly an awakening, his df is actually op since he can cut stuff and avoid being sliced). Remember back in marineford buggy said if he gets serious he can win, maybe he stood by his words.

[twilit crown]

I completely forgot. We saw luffy give captain John's treasure mark back in marineford, what if he found a ancient weapon of destruction and the world government saw him as a major threat because of that.

[fiery cliff]

There are multiple theories about everyone’s training grounds being revolutionary army’s. Mihawk himself didn’t look surprised when Zoro came to the island, nor he asked him where he came from, he straight up got him good and trained like all the others. My theory is that Kuma, mihawk and all the others are revolutionary army’s allies/members

[nocturne light]

I think it's a pretty popular theory but I like the idea of joyboy and ryuma being in the same crew around the time of the void century both having the will of D, now as Luffy has inherited the will of joyboy in his fruit and in his name I believe that his right hand man zoro has also inherited shimotsuki D ryumas will, ryuma was possible the strongest swordsman of all time and that is what zoro strives to be, I believe that zoro inherits the name of shimotsuki through his father greenbull maybe, or someone else and a grandfather of shimotsuki ushimaru, I also think that he inherits the will of D carried from ryuma, so zoros name is shimotsuki D zoro

[stark path]

Weatheria and Heracles are the biggest mysteries here but I would agree for sure on this, every single one of the islands were related to RA somehow except these 2 + Luffy but Rayleigh knew beforehand where Kuma teleported him

Hell Sanji got directly into the island that would be the main HQ of RA in the future, kamabaka kingdom and Robin went straight to Baltigo after seeing the newspapers

[fiery cliff]

Yeah well Rayleigh probably knew dragon himself and I don’t exactly remember (I’m partially drunk rn) if luffy himself was teleported or jinbei+Rayleigh stayed there

[lyric berry]

Yo i like this theory a lot. it's not dissimilar to stuff I've read but i think the way you've put it makes me buy into the idea of kaido sacrificing himself. the only issue with this is that i'm not sure if GB will be that strong lol (not so strong to overpower the alliance and force kaido to sacrifice himself). also a conflict with GB will likely take several chapters which I'm not sure Oda would dedicate to at this moment, my impression is that Oda wants to wrap up Wano pretty quickly

[lyric berry]

There's supposedly a magazine that stated Ryuma died 400 years ago so that would be well after joyboy. however it doesnt appear to be confirmed elsewhere (vivre cards, SBS, etc)

[shrewd dune]

luffy will be captured by green bull and his vivre card will start to fade, luffy alliance will resuce him

[desert mango]

Green bull is zoro dad cuz hair green

[lavish snow]

Buggy’s impel down crew carries, wouldn’t be surprised if crocodile joined

[buoyant wind]

For sure your points are valid! I think it's a stretch for him to have them in that tight of spot as well but here's to hoping!

[scarlet minnow]

Zoros parents are just regular people that left for milk with 0 fighting experience. If zoro was from some powerful bloodline then he would be like luffy level. He trains the most out of everyone, yet he is only a tiny bit stronger than sanji who dosent even focus on fighting.

It dosent make sense if zoros dad is some legend; how is zoro not stupid powerful then?

[lavish snow]

What if there is an underworld in one piece, that’s all the way at the bottom of the ocean, and that’s why joyboy built the Noah so that the fish man people can escape. This also makes sense because all these so called Devil Fruit users are dragged into the bottom of the ocean. I would not write off the probability of a devil or devils being in one piece, and that’s probably the third missing race BigMom wanted in her collection.

[tiny ocean]

He made ppl eat stuff that would ruin them for life. He made people starve and die.

[pure raven]

Wild theory and almost certainly but the fact that Law and Kidd did not become Yonkous, make me feel as if Oda is gonna have join the grand Fleet or become a permanent ally of the Straw Hats. Also while I personally love Buggy becoming a Yonkou I can't imagine that his bounty is anywhere near Kidds/Law's/Luffy's which essentially means that while luffy is finally an emperor the entire system of emperors could be broken, Yes while the idea of Buggy bluffing and through sheer luck becoming is both great storytelling and hilarious, I can't help but feel that it's also a subtle way of telling us that the three great powers of the world up to this point. The Marines, The Yonkou, And SSG(Formerly Warlords) are crumbling . Therefore bounties at some point soon might become completely irrelevant as will the Yonkous as the world slips further into chaos as said Ryokogyu on the last panel.

Almost certainly wrong, and Buggy becoming a yonkou

[buoyant wind]

I know. The theory is that he did that to make the situation bad enough that joy boy would have to resurface. If it wasn't the worst situation we could imagine Joy Boy may not resurface. This is why he was trying to commit suicide and was drunk all the time. He hates himself but he has to do it to bring forth Joy Boy. Now he can try to redeem himself by sacrificing himself to let Joy Boy escape and he gets his memorable death.

[harsh drum]

This is kinda out there and I know the idea has been brought up a lot but I think the recent chapter could be foreshadowing/hinting at Enel's return, during the celebration we can see a set of drums with the same symbols as the things on Enel's back, it might not seem like much but they were positions to look like the focal point of the page. And even now with Luffy's new bounty picture if Enel somehow sees it from the moon he could feel challenged as he sees himself as a god.

[tired depot]

Okay pluton theory time: when momo told zunesha that he wasn’t planning on opening wano’s borders. Zunesha leaves right after. There’s been talks about opening borders for such a long time. I’ve always assumed it was just a saying for allowing people to enter and exit Wano. But I’m sure there’s more to it now. One thing we know is Pluto is the Roman god of the underground

Now where are kaido and big mom. They are underground Wano. All of a sudden there was a volcanic explosion after they were sent down there. If pluton is indeed in Wano as we learned from sukiyaki. I believe pluton is the actual border protecting wano. Pluton is described as this monsterous battle ship. What if is battleship is underground Wano. Hence the reason the country is at such high elevation

The ship is so strong that its able to sustain being in lava. And so big that it can carry that much water and land. And what if the only way to “open the borders” and activate pluton is for momo or someone with the voice of all things to call for zunesha to lift it out. Also explaining why zunesha asked momo if he was ready to open the borders. Also explaining why zou and Wano have such a strong relationship over the last 800 years.

When zunesha left that pretty much inclines that he has no reason to stick around no longer since momo isn’t opening the border

If some one actually read this. Thank you. I know it’s long

[terse fog]

That's not bad at all however I don't see why the volcano erupting at that moment relates to Pluto, but I am not saying that the eruption is not important just I don't see how it relates with Pluton. The other thing being is how is Pluton able to float in Lava? I think it would have to be made out sea stone (this is because it has been stated to be hard as Diamonds) which has been stated to originally come from Wano and they are able to make it into even nails (which were used against Law via Hawkins). However the question lies can sea stone even float, I presume so because marine warships have been stated to be covered in it on the bottom to keep Sea Kings away (when they travel the calm belt). Also I do think sea stone has a huge use for in the plot besides the use for handcuffs and chains for devil fruit users. Also it could have a use to counter Poseidon (Shirahoshi) who is able to control Sea Kings and it seems to avoided by Sea Kings (however if they figure it out it is pointless, just more as a way to sneak past them without being noticed)

[leaden nebula]

It is not avoided, but the aura is same as sea, it make sea kings cant detect it. But its no use if someone who can control sea kings can see it.

[tired depot]

I probably should have elaborated more on the eruption part. So yea the eruption was shown to us for a reason. Another thing that just caught my eye when I was re reading the Wano chapters is that little monologue from big mom as she was getting sent underground by law. She goes onto mention that a part of the one piece is here in this very land of Wano. She’s confused at where it can be and indicates how important the land of Wano is to finding the one piece

Wouldn’t it be ironic that she was thinking those thoughts as she is getting sent to the depths of “hell”(Pluto: god of hell/underground). Where we potentially believe that the ancient weapon pluton is at

I feel like Oda placed that dialogue at that moment for a reason

[tired depot]

Also you made a very good point about the sea stone. It is the most important mineral in the world of one piece. And if the pluton was indeed crafted in Wano 1000 years ago. It could very well be one large sea stone ship that can endure such damaging environments like Magma and lava

[devout zephyr]

Here something more if you want to push for the pluto is under wano theory.Pluto is the god of the underground also called God of Riches because of all the rare minerals.Wano is called the land of gold but since the start of wano we have seen nothing kinda weird no? so what do you need to make gold appear in rocks underground? earthquakes or volcanic eruptions!I'm ready to bet that under wano they are tons of golds hidden alongside pluto.

[shell jay]

I think Robin does get captured and that is when Yamato comes with Luffy to get her back for a second time. That or like Pedro, Yamato gives his life for Luffy to escape with Robin after Robin learns about Pluton. But CP0 not going into action or the admiral. That or CP0 kills the admiral. Also what if Shanks is the CP0 guy!!! Why would CP0 leak luffy photo. Nevertheless, Momo waiting to open up Wano was very smart!

[terse fog]

I don’t think Yamato is going to die there’s no way especially after Oda has set up Yamato’s character throughout the raid quite a bit and at that point is just throwing a character away

[crystal nova]

so many ppl with great theory here, i just wondering how oda will write about shanks and BB arc. wonder if oda will finally show shanks's power or fight. how do you think guys?

[sacred hawk]

What if Ryokugyu breaks Sandai Kitetsu?

[analog sun]

As a mythical off screen figure, i half expect Shanks to be defeated (killed maybe) by BB off screen. It sets up the ultimate motive for Luffy to take BB down, solves the issue of giving the straw hat back (Luffy is now a great pirate) by preventing the long awaited reunion, providing a heart wrenching moment for the fans.

[lean scaffold]

I’m kinda dumb so take everything I say with a grain of salt,

Pluton, the warship mentioned on alabasta, is onigashima. The skull of onigashima connects to a full skeleton under the ground of wano and its burial led to the formation of the volcano and wano’s particular shape.

Onigashima/pluton is a giant, that was used as a warship, like how oars was used by moria. But on a much larger scale.

My theory is, greenbull, will use his fruit, whatever that may be, to pull together the entirety of pluton, and use it against the strawhats, which they will eventually overcome with help of the alliance and wano residents.

[mossy oyster]

What the hell you got me teary eyed over a theory I will be disappointed if even 20% of what you jusy said doesn't end up happening but I hope it does. I gave up on the kaido train but this will make the arc a masterpiece for me if this happens pls oda

[jade hatch]

if i wanted this to happen i would go read naruto

[thorn vale]

Damn ice in your veins... who hurt you?

[jade hatch]

naruto did lol

[pure raven]

Ehhh that’s cool and all but I think Kaido will reveal himself as Vegapunk all along after crawling out the volcano knowing Oda this is definitely the direction the series is headed if you ask me

[jade hatch]

OK, i was mean, i'm sorry. I just don't want any redemption for Kaido. If Oda chooses that, so be it, but it's like seasoning a boiled chicken breast with dry oregano.

[thorn vale]

No way. Kaido needs redemption imo. And not like he needs to change his ways and live a saintly life now, but a change of heart before death. Like he did so many bad things, ruined so many people's lives.. if he sacrificed himself for the greater good of the world so Joyboy can continue, an act so selfless knowing he won't see the world Joyboy creates after waiting a lifetime for him... that redemption, and a spectacular death, would suit him perfectly and complete his character arc. It's so much deeper when you really look at it and think about it.

[halcyon tusk]

Me two months ago: was talkin bout kaido making the sacrifice play to help the person whom he now believes to be Joyboy escape wano as a little redemption arc/finale and how it would be neat as fuck to see

everyone’s reaction/opinions: ….

present day someone else: alot more detailed to cover a bunch of angles and done pretty well so kudos to you! however more or less hits on similar key points with same main idea

everyone’s reaction/opinions: 😍🫶🏼🤯😱

INTENDED TAKEAWAY: again a damn good read and i enjoyed it so please don’t think this is me trying to start shit cause i swear i’m not. i’m making fun of myself 😂🤣

[devout zephyr]

Doflamingo didnt get any redemption neither crocodile post alabasta why the fuck kaido would get a redemption arc? its not demon slayer when after defeating ennemies you see them regret what they did lmao. Kaido was a piece of shit and he ruin the lives of thousands of people, fuck him let him get buried in the deep of wano forgotten from history.

[cobalt dock]

Don't do that shit to me

[tough wadi]

there's always the nidai kitetsu in wano still

[polar shell]

NAAHHHHH

[polar shell]

lol

[worldly elbow]

Theory: Zoro's true motive is to be a pirate king and is plotting to betray luffy before going to rafter

[minor prawn]

Cuz kaido hasnt had a real backstory it isnt satisfying enough we didnt know anything except that he was strong and was hated by his kingdom

[fathom matrix]

Well, you're looking for more development, not redeption. Like, Dofy has a very interesting past and while you kinda pity a kid who grew up a spoiled brat and got twisted into a monsterous, egotistical psychopath, you can never condone or agree with his actions and you can hate him for what he's done.

Kaido does have some morals, but he's still a piece of shit in terms of his actions, strength only matters morality and starving wano.

Kaido needs more development sure, but "redemption" is not the word I'd use#

[minor prawn]

Its to short for a villain like him i hope he get more flashback that we know his actions and can understand him better

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, TBH this MIGHT be all we get, but remember, we still have the Rocks pirates, and there's probably gonna be more information on the crew when we get to them.

So we could get more information on Shiki, WANG JIIIIIIII, and Kaido. Cause in Oden's flash back gave us stuff about Roger.

[minor prawn]

Yea i hope we get a rocks arc that would be pretty good than we know so much about every yonko and roger too and rocks is already a interesting character

[acoustic granite]

Maybe we could get the origin of alot of characters in that flashback

[acoustic granite]

The kaidou flashback was made short likely because oda doesn't wanna reveal rocks in a flashback that is supposed to be about kaidou. It kind of makes the point of a kaidou flashback redundant. No one would really care about kaidou anymore

[patent summit]

Zoro will join the red haired pirates because he is rascist and red haired only got humans in their crew

[plush quest]

Plot twist the reason she showers with the boys is so she can look at their pp

[crystal nova]

Hi guys, something random crossed my mind just now

Do we know or oda ever mention about where is roger's sword now?

[buoyant wind]

Nah this fits One Piece. He turns enemies to friends. MiHawk even states that is Luffy's most dangerous power. Getting people to fight on his side. Franky and Robin are even antagonist who end up joining the crew.

[stark path]

Shanks has a similar one, not sure if it's the same sword tho

[minor prawn]

No but it dont looks like a legendary sword

[stark path]

It is part of the 21 saiyo o wazamono

[buoyant wind]

Oda gonna Oda just have faith in him.

[minor prawn]

When was it revealed in the manga?

[stark path]

It was revealed in the vivre card 14

[buoyant wind]

The difference between them is Doflamingo started rich and spoiled he wanted to watch the world burn because he was upset his dad took his privilege. Kaido was born into suffering and persecution because of his race and where he was from. Kaido started wanting to make the world a better place. Dofy wants the high life and eff the rest.

[buoyant wind]

Lol she becomes Yamato and still showers with Sanji. The ultimate reveal is Brooke asks to see her panties, she replies "I ain't wearin none bruh." Brooke dies the final death.

[buoyant wind]

Thanks for reading the theory! I hope this happens! I need more Kaido!

[worthy sinew]

Love this theory dude

[merry fractal]

I was thinking artillery piece. According to Crocodile, one shot from Pluton is supposed to "Buster Call" an island. Much like Noah needs Poseidon and Seakings, I was thinking Pluton needs Zunesha, and Momonosuke needs to allow Zunesha to get to Pluton by "opening" Wano

[buoyant wind]

Thanks my guy!

[fiery cliff]

Very lovely and I agree with it almost in everything but I have a couple questions about how wano will be after greenbull’s attack. We saw how he treated kaido’s commanders so it’s likely that he could literally kill every single person in the city/high range and drain their power so even if kaido comes back to get his end, I really doubt strawhats will simply flee after a massive genocide+kaido’s death happened. Also wano should be protected by them so in your theory you are considering kaido and greenbull to kill each other? Just a question in case you thought about the end of it as well.

[shut finch]

Besides the logistical problems (green bull can’t be THAT strong, Kaido has been presumed dead for a week now, straw hats wouldn’t flee Wano), I really wouldn’t like this.

I think overall this — and most Kaido returning theories we see — would feel a bit forced, given how much time has passed and the major lack of set up. Kaido having a logbook that’s just now brought up would be really strange. As someone who believed it once, there’s been little to no implication Kaido ever wanted to be joyboy. Not to mention, I REALLY don’t want any form of redemption for Kaido. We got so much perspective of Wano’s suffering throughout the arc, throughout the raid and even right before his defeat. That would feel way less impactful imo if there’s this kind of ending. The Yamato stuff doesn’t hit me well either. Yamato already has the dream to open Wano and follow in Oden’s footsteps, I reallyyyyy would not like if they suddenly stray from that to have pride in being the child of the man who oppressed Wano for so so long.

But good work on the theory, and it’s cool that you’ve received this positive of a response. Hope I didn’t come off rude or anything.

[buoyant wind]

I guess in my mind he was only after luffy now. He took vengeance on the beast pirates as his dialogue implied to me because he blames them for not being powerful enough to maintain the norm. In my mind I don't think he is going to harm the citizens. If they escape he's going to return to the navy after killing Kaido.

[fiery cliff]

So he’s getting away with it I see, thank you! We’ll see ig…

[buoyant wind]

Thanks for reading it. I totally understand your feelings as a lot of us hold that same feeling towards Kaido. The length of Wano seems to have fatigued a lot of us for sure. Luffy claiming Wano does make it seem like he wouldn't flee but I could see it almost like Kizaru at Sabaody or Akainu at Marine Ford. His crew tells him to leave or Green Bull is truly that terrifying which I admit would be hard to believe with Luffy being this powerful. No offense taken and we all can hope and make our own head canon but in the end Oda is the man with the pen and I can't wait to see what he does! Thanks for the reply!

[buoyant wind]

This had me laughing pretty good..... well played!

[pure raven]

Why doesn’t anyone think that after chapter 1054 there’s going to be a time skip? With all the conflict happening in the story as of now

[stark path]

We already had a 1 week skip, there is no way Oda does another 2 year TS especially since Ryokugyu's in Wano, he's not just gonna cruise by and say hello. There's also no reason to have another TS, the purpose of the 2year TS was to get stronger for new world

I feel like Drake is gonna play a role in stopping Ryokugyu, through dialogue or force we dont know but all we know is that he plans to repay the trust luffy placed on him so I feel like he will play a role of some sorts soon

[acoustic granite]

Hopefully we can leave wano and learn about the outside, like oda dropped this sabo plotline about 5 years ago and hasn't done anything with it for how damn long

[stark path]

Ryokugyu will probably be the one to relay on what's happened on the outside

[pure raven]

Hmm good point

[buoyant wind]

I think that is what will set luffy off. Learning about Sabo

[acoustic granite]

oh yeah he fought sabo

[stark path]

It would be quite fitting if Sabo had a rematch with Ryokugyu, though how would he made it to Wano that's to be seen
EDIT: he has Luffy's vivre card

[naive snow]

what do you guys think about sabo

[stark path]

He probably escaped with Vivi, got framed of killing Cobra and kidnapping her, Wapol's information to Morgans was how Vivi is a straw hat member. Regarding the last chapter and poster he appeared in he's most likely freed a country and is regarded a hero and he might be on his way to Wano for a rematch vs Ryokugyu

[acoustic granite]

Cobra dying would give vivi some good development

[meager hornet]

whennn?

[stark path]

During Reverie

[pure raven]

I don’t think he’s a great char imo. Like he’s basically ace 2.0. Same fruit same backstory. Like I think it’s kinda neat with the whole cd thing he has but Doffy brother forgot his name also did that. I wish sabo was more unique.

[acoustic granite]

dude acted like i was lying#

[stark path]

Speak for yourself lol Sabo is one of my favorite characters in OP(may be a bit biased)

[meager hornet]

no...i didnt know that so I asked out of curiosity

[pure raven]

You can like him. I just find him a bit bland

[acoustic granite]

I mean that wasn't obvious, but i do think he is just a 2.0 ace for the new world

[plush quest]

Boring Ace

[devout zephyr]

Exactly remember imu wanted to kill vivi.sabo probabably realized that, save vivi but cobra got killed in the same time he fought amaraki and fujitora he then escaped with vivi,world gov got pissed and blame vivi kidnapping on evil revolutionary sabo

[plush quest]

Take Ace. Make him blonde, and take away the attitude and you got Sabo

[stark path]

If anything revo army played right into WG's hands considering they'd just hire CP0 to kill her but right now only Sabo and Vivi know what really happened

[pallid kite]

!rule

[acoustic granite]

I see lucci and sabo as the equivalents in cipher pol and revs, which means cipher pol has a guy who is the dragon of cipher pol

[stark path]

having rewatched episode 325(ace vs bb), marineford and other manga panels BB appeared in I've been thinking, what is blackbeard IS xebec? First of all, his main is named saber of xebec, ace said before the battle vs bb that he should know the rules as someone who's lived twice as much, marco saying he has a weird body structure and his pirate base being a pirate island fullalead which coincidentally was also xebec's base, so what if xebec somehow regressed in age after the battle vs roger and garp at god valley? That might be one of the powers of the unknown fruit he has, he also knew that his best shot at getting yami yami no mi was getting into WB's ship, someone he already knows. There are too many things for this to be just a streak of coincidence

[acoustic granite]

At the end of punk hazard, trafalgar law used the ope ope no mi to kill the yeti cool brothers rock and scotch. The god valley incident seems to be 2 sides of the same coin with punk hazard, as brownbeard is supposed to represent whitebeard. Brownbeard was betrayed by his leader, while whitebeard likely betrayed his leader

[stark path]

Very likely, if WB was at god valley rocks would've won but got betrayed in the end

[acoustic granite]

I personally think the actions behind blackbeard was coordinated by rocks. Whitebeard betrayed the rocks pirates and it led to the fall of rocks and collapse of his dream, he barely survived and used blackbeard as a means to destroy wb

[ornate perch]

What about Kaido? There seems to be something big hidden in their (BM and Kaido's) backstory
He could've been the one that betrayed them

[acoustic granite]

Kaidou was an apprentice, highly doubt his actions played much into the course of the battle, im pretty sure he would have been a oneshot for rocks or roger back then

[ornate perch]

He could've revealed some secret information to their enemies though or something similar, there are legit endless possibilities.

[stark path]

I don't think Kaido is a type of a person that would sell someone out, not at least someone as powerful as Rocks was

[tepid ledge]

Why Buggy becoming an emperor is not a joke :

You probably didn't notice the development of this character. He became a warlord out of the blue.
Just like most of the warlords he used that position to sell weapons and artilleries ( of course I have to mention the buggy ball)

Falling of Doflamingo soared up his business profit.
He was canny enough to draw a map in his mind to skyrocket his fame and influence.

And now comes the twist, the certain pirate Shanks mentioned to the five elders was non other than Buggy the clown. Shanks was certain about Buggy's power all along but he never told Buggy about Bara Bara no mi ( Buggy's devil fruit )

Blackbeard, Buggy and Doflamingo's acts were enough evidence for the WG to disband Warlord system. They were using the WG as a shield to fulfill their own purposes

After abolishment of warlord system, Buggy played his trump card. Now Buggy the clown is one of the emperors of the sea.

not mine

[stark path]

Not the first time I saw this, also not the last. Knowing Oda it's not gonna be so obvious as this

[desert hatch]

facts

[stark path]

There are tons of possibilities as to why Buggy became a yonko and Oda would go to any direction that's not obvious, also I'm 99% certain that the "certain pirate" is definitely not Buggy

[maiden lynx]

I feel like the next chapter(s) is goin a be a sort of high stakes negotiation, with Greenbull acknowledging that with all the powerful people present, a fight could go either way. Not sure how this negotiation would go, maybe Wano being strong armed into joining the WG in exchange for letting the pirates escape, or handing over Big Mom and Kaido.

[stark path]

If I were to take a crack at it it's definitely either Blackbeard or Kaido. Shanks probably has a general idea on what BB's up to but if it's about Kaido, Shanks knew that Oden planned on opening up the country and that's why the WG wanted to strike at that chance, though they didnt believe Kaido would be taken down

[maiden lynx]

Either that or a big escape scene from that warship GB called

[stark path]

Considering that Ryokugyu's a fan of Akainu and his extreme ways, negotiations are the last on the list

[maiden lynx]

So the escape scene is more likely

[stark path]

probably not, if anything this is a fight that Marco would take a crack at it, not only him there's also an entire alliance ready to fight

[civic pine]

marco would lose badly

i see the grand alliance coming for luffy or luffy beating up the admiral

[maiden lynx]

I just feel it is too soon for Ryokugyu to be defeated, after years of build up and just being shown

[civic pine]

green bull either takes an l here or in some future arc unless his only purpose is to drop a bombshell of information

[stark path]

I am very interested how will Oda handle this

[civic pine]

it will be fun to see

[split crest]

Isn’t orochi a hydra?

[civic pine]

nope

[split crest]

Oh…😂. I just couldn’t make myself believe that he died so easily

[calm pond]

Thought this was interesting, links between pluton and magma I haven't heard of before

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/vgotyr/chapter_1053_luffy_just_handed_kaido_a_weapon_to

[civic pine]

he is somewhat of a hydra he is a 9 headed serpent

[pure raven]

I have heard a theory time ago that dragon could be xebec, with the personality changed or something, who knows what will happen on one piece 😂 , also all that coincidences on Blackbeard doesn't seems so obvious? Like a trap for the reader

[pure raven]

He def isn’t black beard was born already when xebec lost in god valley so can tthe reincarnation. Bb I doubt is the son wb or someone would have found out. Like somehow he regressed in age to a baby and if he was he would be cold as hell. How the hell is he with probably 70 plus years if not edging on 100 with a prime body and a df losing in a fight to near dead old wb

So like narrative, timeline, and power wise it doesn’t make sense. Like if anything bb is just a xebec fanboy more then anything else

Like the the base and name are literally him being a fanboy. We have no idea if xebec even had a fruit. And the yami has no connection to xebec as of now. Like for the wb thing wb is a yonko it’s obv gonna be a pretty good chance he has it

[acoustic granite]

The ope ope no mi has the personality switch surgery. Which allows one to put the souls of others in the others bodies. And from what we know it has no time limit

[pure raven]

And why or how do you know the ope is connected to xebec. Like it’s making all these assumptions to make smth work instead of the reverse. And it still doesn’t fit in power or narrative

[stark path]

I don't think ope ope is connected to bb, but the idea is there. My idea is that bb somehow regressed in age to becoming a boy to adulthood and that's why he has a weird body structure which also enables him to have multiple df powers

[pure raven]

Ok but like bb should be way way stronger the he is logically like he lost to near death old wb in like 3 hits

[stark path]

Yeah and bb is also quite the coward when things go wrong

[pure raven]

rewatching syrup village with my friend, i have a theory that jango is rayleigh because they both have gray hair what do we think

[fair jay]

Jan- who?

[pure raven]

the guy with the hyponotizing disc things

im only on episode 40 myself tho so maybe im wrong

[fair jay]

How do you know who Rayleigh is then-

[pure raven]

tik tok

[fair jay]

Ah, I see. Try not to spoil yourself and I’d say avoid this chat and other manga chats. You shouldn’t really know who Rayleigh is at this point

[pure raven]

ah ok

[pure raven]

Tbh I think that doesn’t add up either xebec attacked god valley and fought Roger and garp

[dreamy hull]

BB is still unclear if somehow got multiple personalities in him unless some more recent interpretation from Oda around

[steady prism]

None for now

[dreamy hull]

still remember those very old scenes in his early appearences

[acoustic granite]

The perennial yoruh surgery and personality surgery were essentially comfirmed by doffy to be required to control the national treasure of mariejois.

Doffy wants to sit on the throne imu sits on like xebec. Also doffy models his crew after imus own guys.

Meaning imu likley has 4 seats like dofflamingo for her most trusted subordinates

[pure raven]

So it would be in the wg for a bit before Doffy almost got it not even xebec

[acoustic granite]

I also think rocks sat on the spade seat for imu. The way pica sits on the spade seat for dofflamingo. So he was on her mist trusted subordinates

[pure raven]

You think xebec knew imu? Why would the tell his crew or the world. Or why wouldn’t more ppl then know about xebec?

[dreamy hull]

none seems to know about Imu really

[pure raven]

Pluton a devil fruit? And what kind of devil fruit?

[acoustic granite]

He definitely knew of imus existence, he knew their was a king of the world to usurp.

And he was erased from history precisely because he knew so much

[pure raven]

Idk I think he thought there was no king and he wanted to become one like the first. I mean like if he was so up there like the gorosei ppl would know that about him. Like even if you erased it that’s such a big thing

[acoustic granite]

No they wouldn't. The people who would have know rocks at the time are all old. I just said that this 60 to 50 years ago.

Tsuru garp kong and sengoku all likely know rocks had these High positions within the wg. But again they have no reason to bring this up

[pure raven]

I’m saying if xebec was on the gorosei everyone would know about him regardless if he was wiped from history or not

[acoustic granite]

I personally believe rocks was the world commander in chief before Kong. Meaning he oversaw the military. But this is over 50 years ago. Most important characters are younger than that age

[dreamy hull]

one being dead for very long and have done atrocious things and hype another thing almost as glorious as Roger would have been last thing WG would want regardless

Rocks looks more like Caeser dad tbh
still they would mention if he dumped the WG by now

[acoustic granite]

Wait what I don't really understand your comment the grammars a bit hard to follow.

And I believe rocks was formerly a marine. I believe Brook knows rocks. But the rocks he knows isn't a pirate. He knows a marine admiral named rocks

[pure raven]

Nah he’d be to old to do anything he be like 80s or smth

[dreamy hull]

Brook mentioned knowing a rookie named Roger. I remember nothing said about Rocks. Also Rocks big crew happened 10 years after Brook died

[acoustic granite]

Wait who would be too old. Brook is 90. Meaning 53 years ago he would have been 37

Think about it. The only reason people fear the celestials is because the admirals move at their beck and call. So simply

"If their are no admirals they is not threat from the celestials"

I believe at god valley the celestials tried to deploy the admirals when they were being attacked. And realised the attack was being coordinated by the former 3 admirals.

And this is why a vice admiral had to step up to fight the rocks crew. And this is why garp doesn't wanna be an admiral.

Rocks and his wings(right and left hand) were formerly in the navy. They were forced to do the bidding of the celestials and defected from the navy.

[dreamy hull]

I think Z was an admiral back then

[acoustic granite]

Z isn't canon

And all the admirals have epithets. Like a colour and a animal. We know in 495 dual was being hunted down because people for he was black leg sanji. So he rearranged his bone structure to change his appearance.

Black leg in japanese is
"Kuro washi"

But kurowashi also means another thing in japanese. It also means BLACK EAGLE. The Eagle is the face and symbol of the navy alongside the anchor.

Rocks may have been the former black eagle of the navy. Meaning he oversaw the navy and was the face of the navy at the time.

Meaning in order to become xebec. He had to completely restructure his face so people wouldn't recognise him like ducal did.

[dreamy hull]

not fully sure yet but it's possible
Garp was first offered admiral position after the god valley incident but Sengoku became admiral not that much after. We know he already was 20+ years ago even if we not see a specific start date,but if the coupé d'etat happened was either him or one of his direct predecessors to be involved

oh wait Kong was previous fleet admiral before Sengoku and we know Kong was already Fleet Admiral 27 years ago,so he probably was admiral back then

[gray creek]

Pluton is not a fruit, since no one answered

[dreamy hull]

Pluton is something with blueprints so whatever is gonna be a construct

[acoustic granite]

No he was definitely offered previous to god valley.

Do you think he could come to god valley not being minimum admiral level at the time and take down a crew that powerful with roger.

And yeah pluton is a battleship. Been said in multiple arcs by different people. It makes perfect sense that the weapon is a ship. Since ships are so important in one piece

[dreamy hull]

if they had already offered him it makes it more likely Sengoku was already admiral imho as we see them work together often and he referred almost as a legend too

[pine delta]

Since oda has been wanting to include ship battles in the series but has the issue of the individuals being much stronger. Than the ships themselves, I think ancient weapons being ships themselves would allow for some ship on ship combat on a Scale he would enjoy. Definitely adds credence to it

[acoustic granite]

I think the ancient weapon or Uranus is tied to the lunarian royal family. Just as poseidon is tied to the fishman royalty family

[pine delta]

Although I’m curious how a ship can be a “counter” to an ancient weapon. Perhaps one of the weapons is flooding or water related, and the WG uses it to wipe out enemies (which is why fish men were persecuted as they are natural born counters to this ability) but that’s theorycrafting

[pine delta]

This could explain why it was wiped out. Although I’m just excited for the flashback, I think it could be very exciting origin story with some wild ideas similar to the noland flashback

[dreamy hull]

it depend on what the weapon does
I can see Uranos being able call down meteorites a la Fujitora or open doors toward celestial bodies

[acoustic granite]

Yeah like oda keeps telling us we're in the final saga. But he has so much to explain in this final saga. Instead of reminding us that one piece is gonna finish. Actually conclude and reveal stuff in your manga

[acoustic granite]

I think it's a roc bird. The roc was known for being able to prey on the elephant and hold it in its talons. Imagine a bird so big it can hold zunehsa in its claws.

And roc gun is with conquerors haki. While elephant gun with armament haki. Conquerors is above armament, a roc superior to zunesha

[fiery cliff]

Kinda strange uranos (as a concept) isn’t remotely linked to skypea

[pine delta]

I think a void century flashback will answer 90% of our questions tbh

[dreamy hull]

the roc it's possible too.
I was thinking akin to Uranus generally being referred as the god of stars/night sky

[fiery cliff]

Technically speaking uranos was the Titan of the sky and not a god, that’s what makes it different from others. But if we refer (as its likely) to atlantidean mythology then yes he is a god

But I low-key want a different breed weapon for the name of a Titan

Any chance uranos could be a device to move fast in the hands of shanks? Afterall when he gets to marineford the admirals themselves were shocked because he was so fast to go from kaido to the war. Plus he seems to be frequently wandering in different places on earth…

[sand sail]

Uranus was a primordial god, he came before the titans

[sand sail]

Roc Gun wasn't used with conqueror's haki

[acoustic granite]

It was. Red roc was used with advanced armament. Roc gun is conquerors

[sand sail]

Oh y'know what, I'm thinking of Red Roc, nevermind

[shrewd dune]

Buggy will defeat Akainu

[fiery cliff]

Elaborate before your message gets deleted and you get warned

[sand sail]

Go ahead and read the channel description.

[tired depot]

Pluto: the god of the underworld always had cerebrus by his side. Y’all think this is possibly a connection to that whole black beard theory about him having the Cerberus fruit? And also black beard showing up to Wano?

[stark path]

To be fair Oda can take this in any direction he wants, for example nobody expected Poseidon to be a mermaid

[tired depot]

That’s true

[pure raven]

Wait why wouldn’t those admirals be replaced or smth. It’s not like xebec made his crew and immediately attacked god valley there was 5 plus years. They would have long since known about it and have been ready.

[latent oar]

BB can’t be heading to Wano rn. He’s heading to something else according to what he read in the news previous chapter, he said he’ll go for it before the WG get that thing.

[hasty hawk]

irrelevant theory to the current conservation:

Does Garp have Conquerer’s Haki or Advanced Conquerer?

[pure raven]

Prob acoc just due to him fighting Roger and stuff but no actual evidence

[hasty hawk]

the only admiral confirmed with Conquerer was Sengoku, but how did Garp beat Chinjao with just armament if Chin was using Conquerer’s

[pure raven]

I think he prob used it or he just overpowered it

[latent oar]

It hasn’t been confirmed but it’s most likely that Garp does have Conqueror Haki due to his massive power that is considered as an equalizer to Roger and WB, he doesn’t even have a DF so that’s implied.

[hasty hawk]

it was hinted Luffy inherited his haki from Dragon according to what Garp said in marineford

[sand sail]

Guys, this is a conversation better suited for #manga or #also-manga

[hasty hawk]

k

[pure raven]

i saw a theory on tik tok today that said ace and whitebeard arent dead and are waiting for luffy at the one piece. i know it sounds stupid but it made sense to me and i think it might happen

[pure raven]

[latent oar]

If Oda fake someone’s death then it’s probably Kuina, like c’on who tf fall down stair and pass away, she presumably lost her memories and somehow her family falsed it to give Zoro motivation? Then she worked for Marine under the name Tashigi….

[pure raven]

That’s an L theory ngl. Why lie to him that dumb think of the trauma and to a kid?

[latent oar]

Surely an incident that could be explained later, I just have a feeling that this Tashigi girl has something to do with Zoro, actually a strong bond between them

[pure raven]

Yea they both like swords. Like they not gonna lie to zoro that would be so fucked up, he’s like a little kid at the time.

I actually think she might have committed suicide if anything. Bc I agree the stairs don’t make sense

[shell jay]

Here me out, What if Momo is Uranus? shirahoshi is posidian, she control and speaks what’s in the sea. But Momo can here Zou. Wonder if he can control everything and hear what is above ground. Uranus is Ouranos roman form. So it would make scene. It’s that or a giant

[pure raven]

Doubt it ngl. That’s a repeating trope from shira like you said. And like can’t Luffy also hear the elephant. And also idk how Robin wouldn’t also know that then there’s 2 weapons here also 2 weapon in one place doubt

[shell jay]

I mean unless Joy Boy and Uranus are the same person. Since Luffy’s fruit is the sun god Nika.

[pure raven]

Prob not

I hope nika and joyboy are like connected in the way that joyboy has the nika. Like I get Luffy from@the jump had crazy stuff but a lot of it pre coc was on the low. Coc even it’s like a lot of ppl have it so whatever. But nika would just be him and joyboy so I hope it’s not the case

[fervent nymph]

Buggy gonna be the king of the pirates

[shell jay]

Momo is from Wano, but Momo was also born at Sea. Furthermore his Mother isn’t from Wano that we know of. Kozuki Toki was born over 830 years ago, she came to the future with her. The void century was between 900 and 800 before the events of One Piece. The two ancient weapons are known, but one is not. For over 800+ years the last weapon almost know one knows about. Why? Could it be because the weapon didn’t stay in one place. That the weapon kept traveling in order to make it to the time when it was needed. Toki could have actually be Uranus. Shirahosi was born with it and it awakens during the battle again Hordie. Momo’s desire to save his country could also have started to awake him powers. Cause even thought Luffy can her the elephant he knows he can’t reach it with his voice

Her power allowed her to escape dangerous situations. But she could never go into the past. What if she was escaping cause people in every era knew who she was. Until she might Oden. She knew this time period was the time when Joy Boy would come back cause she is from so far in the past. She also knew she was cause know one knew who she was. She died with the secret she was keeping and pasted it on. But i believe that it will be know to us when robin reads the real ponegraphs that reveal who or what Uranus is. The only people who likely know the last weapon are the elders in Marijous, imu and possibly shanks

Probably the reason that Wano has pluton is because after the void Century it was the only place that could hide it’s location but the weapon is from water 7 originally

Thus my theroy stands that we will find out in a later arc that Momo will later be known as Uranus

[latent oar]

I read some theories about Uranus before, and I personally like the one stated that Uranus is none other than a creature that shall rule the Sky. With Poseidon we can manipulate the sea, while Pluton shall take over everything on or beneath the ground, hence Uranus is strongly meant to be something to control the Sky. Poseidon is a person, Pluton is an object, then Uranus is a creature. At this point the most suitable one is an Eagle, known as “the king of the bird kingdom”, rules the Sky. When it comes to an Eagle (or a creature), that giant egg we once saw in Oro Jackson now plays a crucial role. How did he get away from the battle against Shiki while Shiki has the upperhand about number? Is it that simple the weather wasn’t good and Roger managed to take advantage of that, or it’s actually Uranus awaken and helped them there? And what if Garp’s request in order to help Roger was to let Uranus under the care of WG? This remains as a conundrum but I feel like it somehow makes sense as it should.

[pure raven]

s

[acoustic granite]

Wait what do you mean be replaced. It isn't that easy to just slot in new admirals. And garp the strongest guy didn't wanna be one. And kong would have been fleet admiral, so only sengoku would have filled a position at the time

I personally think it makes no sense for the only race to control an ancient weapon to be the race that is seen as the most inferior and looked down on the most.

The lunarians literally lived in mariejois. Th royalty of the race should have ties to joyboy just like the mermaid princess

[feral pine]

I think Buggys right hand man is Mihawk.

[acoustic granite]

No that's the thing. We don't know how the transition occurred. For all we know they could have faked their deaths for the public majority

[dreamy hull]

back those many years ago Kong was just admiral most definitely. He was Fleet Admiral 27 years ago
It feels unlikely he was almost 15 years earlier too considering how long it took for Sengoku to be promoted or looking at the general admirals careers

Sengoku was already an Admiral 20 years ago iirc

[pure raven]

They got 2 new admirals in 2 years I think they could find some with over 5 years

[dreamy hull]

they had to use a world draft to get them and was the first time I think they said

[acoustic granite]

Yep

[pure raven]

Yea but the goresi controls the world they would have found out way sooner. Xebec did some crazy shit off rip

[pure raven]

Imo that that just pushes that rocks wasn’t marines bc if there was that much vacancy and rocks is this big of a threat why not make a draft.

Also no@marines know about imu besides maybe Akainu maybe

[acoustic granite]

So you are saying Brook knows the rocks pirates. You think the rocks pirates were a crew when Brook was alive

[pure raven]

Maybe brooks knows them idk if the timeline would match maybe

[patent summit]

Brook died just before or just after rocks pirates collapsed

[snow herald]

Brook may have heard of the rox pirates

[acoustic granite]

I don't think the rocks pirates existed when Brook died.

[pure raven]

Brook died before god valley so it’s possible idk tho

[patent summit]

I looked wrong. Rocks pirates collapsed 38 years before the current storyline and brook is now 90

[pure raven]

I doubt he was 62 whe he died

[acoustic granite]

Like hopefully we can learn about this character soon. Oda dropped alot of info on him 3 years ago in the manga and hasn't done anything with it

[patent summit]

Brook died when he was 38

Is it possible to reduce slow mode timer?

[pure raven]

toki

[acoustic granite]

I mean it could be. But why is she just running around hiding. And what is the point of hiding now that the raid is over

[dreamy hull]

Brook died 10 years before Kaido joined Rocks

we know he heard of rookie Roger but no info if Rock even was working already or started after Brooks death. Considering they were able have him forgotten by tons people compared to some who branched from his crew I feel his career was a wildfire of brief life

[acoustic granite]

No Brook died 52 so that's 8 years before rocks. He said he knew a rookie called roger at the time.

Yeah I'm thinking he was a flash in the pan for like 8 years. I don't think he was dominating the sea from like 60 years ago.

[minor prawn]

I think xebec had the devil fruit from blackbeard

[acoustic granite]

Garp had no recollection of blackbeards yami power. In fact he even commented on whitebeards power and not the dark fruit. Whitebeard also had no recollection of blackbeards power. 2 people who know rocks powers very well. Essentially meaning the fruit isn't the power rocks possessed in his life

[pure raven]

💀 bro t rust me on this

[mellow steeple]

when roger says, "Joyboy, i wish i was born in your era" he didnt mean born in the time of the original one, why would he want to be born in a time of war, he wished he was born in luffy's time

[iron pumice]

I don't remember that Toki was ever named for this

[mellow steeple]

maybe buggy just collected a warlord supercrew and they were fine with him being the captain becuz they all know buggy is weaker than them so they all joined which is why he is a yonko

imagine rocks had buggy's fruit, no swordsman could touch him combined with his strong haki let him be the strongest, roger wasnt comfortable fighting without his sword so he had to team with garp, and then after the incident roger took in buggy and the fruit but buggy ate it lol
making buggy rock's son

[dapper crater]

Implying Xebec is dead lol

[minor prawn]

He dont must be dead

[dapper crater]

to get a fruit, the user must die, and I don't think Xebec is dead

[minor prawn]

Usually the user must die but i think xebec knows a way to give his devil fruit to someone other

[mellow steeple]

kaido wanted to bring out joyboy, when he realized he isnt joyboy he enslaved wano, (wano specifically since there is a great theory on yt that oars is joyboy u should watch and onigashima is oar's head) and then once he enslaved them joyboy would come, beat kaido and become joyboy and his plan worked, he brought out joyboy and now he will help joybiy by stopping greenbull and this way he will get that death he wanted

[sonic bison]

What if xebec didnt have a fruit and his goal was to get yami yami no mi

[mellow steeple]

what if he had buggy's fruit meaning no swordsman could touch him and roger wasnt comfortable without his sword so he teamed with garp, this combined with strong haki made xebec the strongest

[dapper crater]

that's so much headcanon that it's impossible to reply.
Implies Xebec had a fruit (we don't know), had the ability to give his power to others (something that doesn't currently exist in OP) and gave it to blackbeard for some reason.

[minor prawn]

I think he has a fruit thats why he was so dangerous and the navy thinks rocks is dead because the god valley sank with him

[dapper crater]

he was dangerous because he was a strong pirate with a crew of monsters. Roger defeated him, and he and Garp have no fruit. There is no need for Xebec to have one.

[dapper crater]

I agree it's Toki. Hiyori was dressed up as Komurasaki during the raid. That's how she was able to sneak in. Also she didn't take credit for tending them (yet?).
It's more likely to me that the silouette was Toki, and she just faked her death going into the future.

[dapper crater]

give it a couple more chapters.

[stark path]

I agree, Sukiyaki got revealed and I'm gonna watch the anime because the anime has the tendency to spoil even the manga readers lol so there could possibily be more info on stuff we missed out on

[agile tangle]

But why tho?

[dapper crater]

because Toki's storyline didn't pay off all the setups. Why mention she is from the void century at all? We'll clearly see more of her. The silouette is just 1 more element. 1+1=2

[acoustic granite]

Yeah the scar is a clear foreshadowing. She comes in to the scene. And she shows the scar to the scabbards to prove she is who she says she is.

Although what is her use now in the story

[dapper crater]

something to do with Joyboy and her recollection of the void century. No other explanation why Oda decided that the time traveler had to come from that time.

[agile tangle]

What scar?

[dapper crater]

she has a scar on her leg left by an arrow. She got the injury in Wano while Oden was with Roger. That scar also never had any payoff except Oden getting a bit upset.

[gray creek]

Kaido’s flashback implies that the realization that Joyboy would beat him came later, if he ever seriously believed in him at all. It doesn’t seem to be a motivation for Kaido. King was the one seeking Joyboy

[mellow steeple]

could be that nika was a lunarian, which is why king new about him, this is supported by the fact that nika uses fire and luffy's fire isnt explained

[gray creek]

Joyboy is the user of the Nika fruit. Nika himself may or may not have ever existed, but doesn’t make sense for him to be a lunarian. The silhouette didn’t even have wings. Could be that Nika can make fire, just like he is inexplicably made of rubber. We don’t know his whole deal

[mellow steeple]

nika and joyboy could be 2 very diff things,

nika= a lunarian from even before joyboy who is a god and has a fruit of his own

joyboy= oars the first and the man who ate nika fruit

or they could be same

[stark path]

Zuniesha did say that Joyboy has returned when Luffy awakened so safe to assume Nika and Joyboy are the same person

[gray creek]

They are different, yes. One is a historical figure and one is a legend. If Nika ever existed be probably wasn’t lunarian, and he definitely didn’t have his own fruit that would be wild.

I think it’s safe to say Nika definitely isn’t a lunarian since Luffy’s zoan transformation lacks any lunarian traits except white hair

[gray creek]

Not quite. The only thing you can safely take from that is both Luffy and the old Joyboy awakened the Nika fruit

[dapper crater]

Nika and Joyboy ARE 2 different things. Nika is a myth, meaning it doesn't exist. It's an imaginary character. Joyboy was a real person.

[dapper crater]

exactly. People should look up the definition of "myth". If Nika was a real being it would have been an ancient zoan, not a mytical one. Even Kaidou remarks that Luffy's powers seem right out of a picture book, meaning they have the equivalent of cartoons in One Piece.

[frosty pasture]

good point with the mythical and ancient difference

[weak lava]

I thought the new thought is that joy boy is luffy and not the other way around. Which would mean Joyboy was oars at some point and not the other way around

[dapper crater]

Joyboy is a title at this point. Unclear if it was also a title or a name in the void century (probably a name, but it's not clear). Definitely not Luffy 800 years ago, unless travel back in time is revealed (which is not the case at the moment)

[frosty pasture]

Joy boy could be the title for the person who gives people smiles

[dapper crater]

could have been a title in the void century, as I said. At the moment it's unclear. Could have been a wrong transliteration of Jayabaya for what we know, or modern people just misreading it in the PG stones.

We just don't know yet. What we know for sure is that it wasn't Luffy 800 years ago, and if "Luffy is Joyboy", at the moment is for sure a title for the current Joyboy.

[tender forum]

Luffy, nika, sun god
Thousand Sunny, sun

[gritty ocean]

Shanks made buggy yonko when he met with the gorosei

[rancid marsh]

nah i think when the world government were hunting the warlords they united together or smth but the world government thought they were all working for buggy so he became yonko level

[polar shell]

nah

[mellow steeple]

nah

[stark path]

One does not become a yonko so easily

[gritty ocean]

Yuh, he prolly convinced the gorosei that buggy is worthy of becoming yonko. He was once entrusted of burying ace and wb. Im guessing they approved his request of buggy becoming yonko once again.

[mellow steeple]

most likely reason for buggy being yonko is
maybe buggy just collected a warlord supercrew and they were fine with him being the captain becuz they all know buggy is weaker than them so they all joined which is why he is a yonko

[stark path]

It's not WG that determines who yonko is, its public perception,territory and crew strength. WG just issues bounties

[stark zenith]

is anyone here knows the parallel work of oda? like wano and thriller bark arc also now if in sabaody kizaru come there the admiral in new world will come is greenbull?

[gritty ocean]

Like i said, shanks prolly conviced the gorosei. He prolly talked about his strength, ibfluebce, and territiry.

[zinc iris]

lol it would be funny
but in general the WG is aware of buggy himself not being much strong but his follwers actually being powerful, it was the reason they made him warlord in the first place, to keep his followers under control

so if in the meantime he managed to build an empire the WG acknowledges that

[stark zenith]

now if this will come true i expect again sabo will be at marineford and when time of ace the one will come is ivankov this time is bon clay additional will come with luffy is doffy or boa (if she caught) just like jinbei and crocodile and the next marineford war but this time its sabo

[zinc iris]

however, yonkos are not a sanctioned position officially assigned by the WG, but a soft power issue where general opinion acknowledges an emperor as such
so it's Morgans that decided Buggy is emperor material

[zinc iris]

I'm not convinced about a retread of marineford it has to be more symbolic

[stark zenith]

maybe in some place in new world? will be the war?

[gritty ocean]

But morgans has to follow what the WG says like cover up. But he didnt follow it once so

[zinc iris]

Morgans is very much off the leash as of lately, and it's hard to imagine WG care about who Morgans claims is an Emperor outside of him giving too much spotlight to Luffy

[pure raven]

Morgan be wild Fr. Bro is truly the biggest threat to the wg

[dapper crater]

Why shoulg WG get to decide who is Yonko, lol. Yonkos are pirates, Gorosai has nothing to do with an opposing illegal force.
Yonkos are simply the top 4 pirates by controlled territory. Morgans, who is not controlled by WG, publishes the information, but emperor standing is objective, not decided. That's why Luffy was "the fifth emperor" and not a real one.

[dapper crater]

Buggy is Yonko because he has the biggest territory of any pirate, and is the richest.
Strength is not the only way to amass territory.

And Gorosei has nothing to do with pirate rankings.

[mellow steeple]

which territory? which money? where was this said?

[dapper crater]

You serious dude? Buggy owns a dispatch company that has greatly benefitted from the defeat of Doflamingo. He also has a fleet, as we've seen the New Giant Warrior Pirates leave him to join the Straw hat Grand Fleet.

[mellow steeple]

ur really not funny

[dapper crater]

He also probably did something during the Wano arc and gained even more territory. Emperor = someone who controls 2 or more kingdoms. Territory is all that matters

[echo plank]

u just posted a below is gay emoji 😭😭

[dapper crater]

And definitely, definitely, pirate emperors are NOT decided by the government. Pirates are outlaws.
Shanks probably talked about Blackbeard or Luffy to the Gorosei, if I had to guess.
Even if they talked about Buggy, the WG can't decide who is Yonko. Otherwise they'd never put Luffy there.

[mellow steeple]

wasnt meant to be funny?

[echo plank]

but this was meant to be cope

[sand sail]

Don't worry about it, just move on.

Remember, this channel is for long theory discussion. Read the channel description before posting please

[dapper crater]

Frankly speaking, nobody wanted to be funny, I just replied to idiotic reasoning.
Imagine the US Government making a list of their favourite criminals lol. And adding the criminal who was suggested by another criminal.
The guy probably noticed the faulty reasoning and tried to cope with "ur not funni"

[sand sail]

It doesn't matter, we can move on from it

[shell jay]

If you are basing it off a creature. Momo is a dragon 🐉 so it would make scenes based off this theroy too that Momo is Uranus

[stark path]

Since Doffy's gone he leads the biggest weapon trading business, he also probably benefited the most from the actions of others and has former warlords on his side, so his territory also expanded. The only people that know Buggy is a fraud are Luffy,Zoro and Nami and his public perception is that of a leader of escaping from impel down and is former apprentice of roger pirates, + he's also like a brother to Shanks

[tender forum]

any theory on why people can't continuously use coc? recalling the first time Rayleigh used it, he said he couldn't use it again.

[ornate perch]

Skill on cooldown

[pure raven]

I imagine it’s draining and why would you

[stark path]

Yeah its cool and all but Momo ate an artifical DF that's supposed to be a clone of Kaido's DF, Vegapunk did not create an ancient weapon, he just created artificial DF that he himself deemed a failure

[acoustic granite]

Don't look too deep into that. Oda just isn't consistent

[rapid leaf]

hey, as we know the gorosei didn't want luffys gear 5 or so called sun god nika on the wanted posters but it is in the poster anyways open to the world and one of the reason luffy had 3 bill bounty is cause the gorosei wanted to hide sun god nika and cause it is the gorosei might increase luffys bounty

[exotic totem]

hey guys, check this out https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/vhj4sv/the_last_admiral_devil_fruit_name_and_power_not/

[pure raven]

Ay yo what u guys think about enel returning theory

[stark path]

There's potential for it but if Oda planned on bringing him back he would've done so, there's potential for it in the future

[gaunt cliff]

I never understood this theory, tbh. Like yeah, I get he has a pretty OP fruit and literal god level observation Haki, but I don’t see what purpose he would serve in present day One Piece

[last crystal]

I just had a realization, When Blackbeard told his crew to set out and that he’d rather not let the marines have it, I think he was talking about Pluton

[pure raven]

May be like a replacement for Zeus😝😝😅

[vivid osprey]

greenbull is luffy childhood friend🤣 joke*

[modest skiff]

!theories

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[clear lily]

!theories

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[shell jay]

Yes but what if things happen for a reason. It is either that or he will be able to find the were abouts of Uranus

[mental pike]

Ok does anyone here feel like zoro is kind of suspicious?

[modest skiff]

Please see the koya message above

[mental pike]

I'm not joking, let me edit it to show I'm serious

[wild wigeon]

suspicous in what way

[mental pike]

Well, he seems to have a lot of evil theming in his character, like his moves. He also seemed to accept the role of the "king of hell", and his theme music in the anime is kind of villainous.

[fair escarp]

Debatable. I think he could be referring to the fire fruit. Pluton is in Wano and if I remember correctly, BB doesn’t have any member who could read the Poneglyph

[wild wigeon]

he shouldnt cuz so far the only poneglyph readers are robin and sukyaki

[mental pike]

He also has the most questionable background out of all the straw hats.

[wild wigeon]

yeah but the story isnt bout good or evil just because it sounds evil doesnt mean he has to be the story is bout difrent types of justices

[mental pike]

All the others have deeper backstories than him so far

[mental pike]

True. I still think there is evidence that there is more to this character than we know

[wild wigeon]

yeah i agree that there is definetly more to him but it wouldnt really make sense that he's evil mostly chz he has no need to betray luffy and the crew, betray them would bring no positive to him becomeing the strongest swordsmen

[primal cargo]

That's because he has a very straightforward story. He decided he would be the greatest swordsman, so he will do it. No need for more tragic backstory to make him a good character.. Not that it can't happen

[neat reef]

Could Wano be itself part of Pluton? Like the whole island? The volcano being just one of its cannons.
The ancient weapons are older than the poneglyphs, which originated in Wano, so I think the timeline could fit? It’s weird, though no weirder than Poseidon being a mermaid. Makes sense to me that a world ending weapon would be as big as a country (don’t ask me how they built a whole island in W7 )

Although one thing that always bothered me about Pluton is how there’s blueprints for it. Why would blueprints matter? Surely it’s just “make big ship with weapons”? Unless, the blueprints have some peculiar technology described in them… but then, how come Franky doesn’t apply that knowledge even to a smaller scale?

[stark path]

Simple, Franky doesnt want its destructive power on the ship he and iceberg have built. The blueprints matter in means of if the original one in Wano falls into wrong hands it would be the means of fighting back but instead if those blueprints fell into hands of WG they would've just mass produced pluton and the one piece world would be as good as gone, that's why Franky burned it

[neat reef]

That take lacks nuance is what I'm saying. Surely there's a middle ground between creating a world ending weapon and discarding the technology described in the blueprints entirely. A real world parallel would be nuclear fission, which has multiple useful applications that aren't nukes

[stark path]

I don't think you understand the scale of power which pluton has, it can literally erase islands from existence. Nobody in their right mind would have anything to do with it unless someone's a power hungry maniac like Spandam was. It will have its use, it will most likely be used to destroy the red line

[neat reef]

So I'm just gonna have accept this idea that this technology described in the blueprints cannot be scaled down? I have a hard time accepting that. Unless the engineering secret is a way to have such a massive and powerful weapon not collapse on itself.

[stark path]

Its goal was simply to destroy, nothing good would've come of it. It's called ancient weapon for a reason

[pure raven]

I honestly believe the next arc will be about pluton and the fight of ryu vs wano for it

[stark path]

Except Robin and Sukiyaki, nobody's aware that Pluton's in Wano unless Robin straight up says it to the world

[neat reef]

Poseidon could be used for good. Nuclear energy is used for good. Pluton as a a whole was built with destruction as a purpose, but so has any warship. There must be some kind of invention that makes Pluton special

[stark path]

Possible yes, but we're just getting into speculation field at this point. I feel like we're lacking any concrete information about Pluton to make any serious theories about it, except that it's a warship

[neat reef]

What I'm saying is if we're lead to believe that pluton could be built with existing technology just by following blueprints, then it's only logical that those blueprints could be altered to produce a smaller version of it. Blueprints aren't magic formulas with a singular result, they're a set of instructions that have you build upon your previous steps

[pure raven]

The Poneglyph in skypia says it and I believe the WG as well as the marine are very aware of it. The location of pluton in wano must be the main reason why the Gorosei are so careful of invading Wano. Probably because of the destructive power …

[neat reef]

Do we know the explicit reason for the Gorosei's interest in Wano? It could just be its natural resources

[pure raven]

Yeah but that wouldn’t be oda-like

imu is luffys mom?

[tepid parrot]

They probably know that Pluton is on there tbh

[stark path]

either they know pluton is there, we cant also forget that WG through CP0 did deals for weapons through Orochi. They were also aware of the 20 year prophecy and Wano being opened up, Momo not wanting to open the country was a real stint in WG's plans

[sand sail]

@empty oak Go ahead and take a look at the channel description.

This channel is not for power scaling.

[empty oak]

ah my bad

[fervent nymph]

Sun God nika = luffy
Forest God ichika = admiral Ryokugyu
Earth God yonka? = imu?
Rain God sanka? = dragon?

[sand sail]

You can move that to one of the other manga channels as well, unless you have some decent backing to the theory

Better for #also-manga or #manga

[fervent nymph]

Ok

[acoustic granite]

Whitebeard said that when he sees shanks face. He is reminded of the man who who gave him his scars and his scars ache. In the same chapter shanks says that blackbeard gave him scars across his face that ache. I believe the person Whitebeard is referring to is a member of the rocks pirates. But I do not believe this is the captain rocks d. Xebec.

The scars wb and shanks received both appear to be slashes achieved by a claw type weapon. We have seen one character use a claw like weapon on multiple occasions. Blackbeard, likley the weapon he used to scar shanks.
Shanks said that he was not careless fighting blackbeard but he was able to give him these scars and this moment scared shanks.
Oda has actually given a foreshadow as to the events surrounding this Whitebeard scar in punk hazard. As 2 sides of the same coin with the god valley incident

Rock and scotch the yeti cool brothers are hired by ceaser to kill brownbeard.
Rock and scotch represents
Rocks and scotch of the rocks pirates. Meaning there was a character called scotch on the rocks pirates.
Brownbeard was betrayed by his leader and scotch attempted to take his life and believe he killed brownbeard, in reality he did not kill brownbeard.
Flipped on the other side. Whitebeard betrayed his leader and attempted to take the life of a character named scotch. He believed he killed scotch receiving scars in the fight but he didn't kill scotch like he thought.

Scotch ended up being placed in the body of teach alongside rocks d. Xebec by the previous ope ope no mi user

When teach fought shanks. He switched to the soul of scotch and scotch gave shanks the scar.

[worldly lily]

The Giant tree we see in elbaf is the treasure tree adam, its branches spread all throughout the one piece world, The tips of these branches are the sky islands, The Summit of high west is the tree itself.

[stark path]

That seems...actually very plausible. I believed the other day that BB was Xebec himself who wanted his past glory back and kill WB

[acoustic granite]

I believe the 2 people in blackbeard are named rocks and scotch. And scotch is the guy who scarred wb and who wb failed to kill. He likely killed a nakama whitbeard liked on the crew

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!theories @kindred osprey @pure raven

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[tender forum]

wonder where water 7 is at right now

[pure raven]

Ay yo do y'all think aokiji is a revolutionary spy?

[royal kite]

I've been thinking about whether or not Yamato is actually going to join the straw hats.
In a previous SBS, Oda points out that Luffy always remembers the names of his nakama, but refers to Yamato as "Yamabro" in one of the previous chapters (Not sure if there's any evidence of Luffy making up nicknames for his nakama prior to them joining?). Previously it had been mentioned that Yamato will probably stay on Wano, because their devil fruit is supposed to represent the guardian spirit of Wano, and that might be enough justification.
Momo seems a more likely candidate, now that he's been aged up. Not opening the border to Wano provides an opportunity to for Momo to leave, while his vassals and Hiyori stay to govern and rebuild. Plus, Luffy knows what his name is. Maybe something in Oden's journal will make him want to join them for the remainder of the journey, with the excuse that it will help him as shogun. I don't think Luffy will ask him to join, but he didn't ask Robin either before she came on the ship either, so it might be some sort of stow away thing.

[eternal dove]

I was thinking about this too. Also I noticed as well that each of Straw Hats has a role in the crew. like Jimbei being Helmsman. Where as Yamato doesnt have any role in the crew unless something that involves Oden but Luffy has Robin already.

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!theories

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[grand veldt]

Yo every time we see these symbols we find out an ancient weapon exist in that island but enel is the last one who hasn’t had an ancient weapon on his island revealed . But most likely we will know where Uranus is next time we meet enel

[gritty ocean]

The reason why ryukogyu hasnt eaten for 3 years (or more) is because of his df's power. He doesn't need digestion to collect nutrients, instead, he uses his df powers.

[grizzled fog]

are you saying the symbol on neptune's tattoo is the same as the other two? because it seems very distinctly different.

[unreal trail]

it looks smaller but its the same sign

[grizzled fog]

its not though, they both contain the same apostrophe marks that make up the symbol but as a whole they're quite different

[unreal trail]

oh i was talking about the parts around the middle cause they look similar to the other 2 pics

[gritty ocean]

that thing in the middle looks like a df's root

[grizzled fog]

that seems way too thin to form a connection though, since you're basing this off of only two instances (and assuming the third instance of the symbol appearing will involve an ancient weapon), and the symbol isnt even the same its just one of the markings involved in it is the same, and its just a mark. its not anything specififc

[unreal trail]

yeah idk i forgot neptune had that symbol but when i remembered the symbols on the drums were the same as enel i went to look at anything in mermaid island that might have the same symbol and i found this on neptunes shoulder and it looked pretty close but just a theory idk

[unreal trail]

yeah has to be btw someone already mentioned that before

[abstract plank]

we saw sabos wanted poster in latest chapter.... which might mean he isnt captured, but escaped... we also saw imu holding vivis photo and later we saw people of alabasta crying, ofc they wont cry so hard by seeing some revolutionary getting captured... so theres a possibility that sabo escaped, vivy was killed or captured by order of imu and he/she blamed it on sabo

[solid rune]

gotta love the blue haired girls 😏

[latent oar]

Yo What if Green Bull is Gin (the guy Sanji fed in floating restaurant). I just saw their pic and they turned out to have many things in common. GB hasn’t eaten anything for 3 years and what’s surprising is it’s almost 3 years since SH last met Gin

[gritty ocean]

this has got to be the funniest shit ive read all day

[worldly elbow]

I think Greenbull is a revolutionary, he went to wano to ask luffy for help

[unreal trail]

he talked to himself saying * if i bring luffy's head akainu will be proud of me * so it can't be he is there to bring down luffy

[eternal dove]

I think GB is not going to be a big deal. just like in Water 7 and Dressrosa, theyre just there to try and catch the pirates who are making a racket. and what better time to catch them when they are healing.

[unreal trail]

luffy probably all healed up . he ate his meat already and rested for a whole week

[minor prawn]

I dont think they will fight with greenbull i think momo will stop or something like that because the main villain of this is defeated and a fight against now would be not that big and even if he attacks luffy there are so many people which would support luffy

[gentle magnet]

i kinda think gb and luffy will fight tho cos it’s the prelude to the war arc where luffy is gonna save sabo. it’s kinda like the ending of dessarosa but gb actually suceeds

[native thistle]

greenbull is sus bro 😂

[acoustic granite]

What do you mean save sabo. When did oda say we are gonna get a rinse and repeat marineford with sabo

Dragon hasn't caught any dubs, this is the perfect time to show us what dragon can do. If luffy comes it will make dragon look helpless

[formal marsh]

She did say that she would write down their adventures or something like this, so in relation to the "job" part, she has as much of a job as Robin has in Luffy's eyes imo. But the name thing does present a good point

[minor prawn]

I dont think sabo will be saved by luffy i think more like he will be saved by dragon that would just repeat the marineford arc and even if luffy will save sabo he must sail to marie joa thats very far away from wano

[gritty ocean]

Sabo will get captured and executed. Hancock will either get captured, die, or both. Idk about vivi

[tender forum]

Greenbull may prove to be formidable, and he may even capture Nico Robin, and no one is able to find out his weakness or defeat him, so as a last ditch effort, Pluton will be used as an exchange for Nico Robin and his leave.

[acoustic granite]

Yeah no

[gritty ocean]

Prove this theory wrong

[acoustic granite]

Shanks is from the west blue. Roger is from the east blue. Based on your theory you are saying he was born and was at god valley and then randomly taken to the west blue.

The west blue is likely where his family originates. Meaning if roger took him to the west blue he did it because his parents were also from there.

[worldly elbow]

It is said that roger found buggy and shanks at the same time. If this is true then buggy is a celestial too?

[gritty ocean]

Good point

[acoustic granite]

I have a good theory about shanks father and its connected to whitebeard.

[gritty ocean]

Keep hearing a lot that shanks is xebec's son

[acoustic granite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/vhpson/whitebeard_and_shanks_theory/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[pure raven]

Idk i think this is really reaching off like a single scar

[frosty pasture]

she would have the role of log keeper like oden did with roger

[sullen granite]

Buggy Yonko Theory: he became Yonko because he found the treasure of Captain John (former Rocks member). If you remember buggy took the bracket from luffy in impel down und was really exited. Now considering Captain John was a Rocks pirate, the treasure could contain really powerful things. Maybe the reason the god valley war started ? For example a road poneglyph ? An ancient weapon ? World government secrets ? Nevertheless what contains the treasure would be the reason Buggy becoming a yonko. BB

[frosty pasture]

the fact that momo's grandfather is alive could allow momo to leave for a while and see the one piece. I didnt believe he would ever leave but with his gramps around it wouldnt be crazy

[worldly elbow]

I feel like ussop is going to die in his arc (elbaf) because I dont think there's anymore grand gesture except dying a heroic way to show that he became a brave hero of the sea

[pure raven]

Yea but they ain’t gonna kill a sh

[minor prawn]

The gorosei treat him like a pirate they dont really respect him as a celestial dragon

[acoustic granite]

Bro the plotline of the scar is one of the biggest plotlines for the overall story. That meeting and chapter is like in the top 5 most important plot wise

[minor prawn]

This scar is not easy to make first u must reach shanks face

[pure raven]

That isn’t even true. That scar plays like no role is anything. All shanks says is yo be weary of bb and wb doesn’t even listen. And wb own scars are barely touched on. The two mentioned don’t even look that alike nor do we know how wb got his scar. This is assuming way to much off what is a pretty insignificant thing

[pure raven]

Idk the fact they even like talk to the guy who is like a yonko I think says smth. Like no other person has talked to the goresei that a pirate most marines can’t even talk to them.

[minor prawn]

I mean blackbeard was strong enough to get a scar in shanks no other character has scars in the face and it is hard to reach the face of an yonko acceot of shanks who is said to be good in terms of haki

I would say its the same with the scar from oden on kaido

[acoustic granite]

Blackbeards constant shift In personality. His weird body. His jolly roger, all show he has other people in his body

Even luffy and zoro noticed it.

[minor prawn]

Yea i think he has a second personality in him im thinking its rocks or someother man but it must be a evil person

[latent plover]

Buggy Theory:
During Marineford war Buggy faced off Mihawk when Luffy throw Buggy at Mihawk, Mihawk tried to cut Buggy but is unable to.

We saw a bunch of Haki users hurting DF users during Marineford war, like Hancock kicking Smoker, Marco being able to touch the admirals, WB hurting Akainu even though Akainu is a logia etc.

My theory:
The reason why Mihawk was unable to cut Buggy is due to Buggy having greater haki than Mihawk. Like how Luffy in gear 4th stay being a rubber even if someone attacks him with haki

[minor prawn]

And that would be the reason why blackbeard has 2 df he has somelike two souls

[minor prawn]

I think mihawk just didnt take him seriously and dont use his observation haki if mihawk knows were buggy split he must be able to cut him

[latent plover]

My headcannon tells me that you can't turn off haki.. Like how garp always hurts luffy

[minor prawn]

But as an example mihawk against zoro did u think mihawk use haki i think not and if we see luffy not everytimes use armament

[latent plover]

And one more point is we are talking about Mihawk here.. he's not known to be merciful to fodders.. or to anyone who he raise his sword to..

Also there's the fact that Mihawk did not only cut Buggy once but multiple times

[mossy ice]

pretty sure Mihawk cut Buggy like this cause he knew about his fruit, or at least assumed it wouldn't kill him

[pure raven]

I think the bb stuff is valid but the scar thing is kinda wack

[pure raven]

You can? Like we see when haki manifests. Like buggy does not have better haki then mihawk or else he would whoop Luffy

[latent plover]

Well, he's testing Luffy and Buggy was on the way.. He wanted to get rid of Buggy as soon as possible but he can't.. Maybe he did tried using Haki but is still unable to cut Buggy hence the "...." thought bubble

[latent plover]

That's a part of the theory, Buggy has excellent fighting capabilities but tend to display himself as a weak character.

[mossy ice]

As for WB and Shanks it might have just been same weapon that scarred them, like it might some legendary weapon like shanks'

[elder tiger]

I have a theory of what the one piece could be

[stark path]

Buggy did say he was immune to sword slashes, i dont think haki would've done anything

[latent plover]

Well, Smoker is immune to physical attacks due to his fruit properties.. you can't touch smoke.

Luffy is immune to blunt attacks because he's rubber

[mossy ice]

According to kaido haki tops all, so i would assume someone on kaido level could cut buggy

[solar niche]

Haki kinda levels the playing field for people without devil fruits. garp, roger, rayleigh are all pretty much haki experts and they've beaten other DF users

[royal kite]

That's a possibility. I certainly don't think he'll reveal himself, but he could take an advisory role to who ever ends up governing while Momo goes with the straw hats.

[latent oar]

well this part is actually tough to sort out. We know with Haki we can touch Logia owners who are immune to physical attack, while Zoan and Paramecia are totally reachable without haki, then why couldn't Mihawk tear Buggy in 2 back then. Assume there're 2 theories for this case. First is Buggy was pretending the whole time and used Kenbunshoku Haki to foresee the future or at least a moment to split his body before Mihawk touch him, this is most likely surreal but with Buggy annouced as Yonkou recently I see some potential in this theory. Another is what presumably the most reasonable explanation is Mihawk simply didn't use Haki back then, he was just scouting Luffy's power and killing Luffy wasn't his purpose anyway. Additionally sword can cut through Luffy's body so he doesn't need to enable Haki. Whatever it is I think Buggy can be torn apart by Swordman uses Haki, as long as he's fast enough and willing to end a Yonkou's life. If this Bara Bara No Mi somehow were immune to any attack that could cut the owner than that would be way too imba.

[mossy ice]

Yeah this. I'm pretty sure Buggy could dodge attacks in similar matter katakuri did, by splitting right before physical contact, but that's about it. Buggy is not strong or fast enough to do that yet.

[latent oar]

or we haven't figured out Buggy is that strong yet, perhaps Mihawk didn't use Haki cause I just remembered that he cut Buggy's body to multiple part afterward and I don't think Buggy could split that perfectly

[mossy ice]

Oh no, I know Buggy didn't do that there, just saying in future he might be able to do that. Pretty sure Mihawk cut him without Haki and people just dig in too much into it.

[modest skiff]

Let’s avoid matchup discussions or power scaling in this channel please. Feel free to discuss in #also-manga though

[fathom matrix]

Buggy's the same age as shanks, for all we know, Buggy was probably the one taken in as a baby and Shanks happened to be the same age and joined later

I'm not saying Buggy's a CD or Rock's son

Also, here's my theory

Shanks went to the world government to discuss buggy, because he wanted to protect/help him, but also if the Yonko did fall via Luffy and his alliances, he needed someone fill in 1 spot.

He probably went to the world government saying "I'd be careful with Buggy. He's not only a past member of Roger's ship, but he's tens of thousands of supports. Trade deals with nasty client, a lot of weaponry and his business is booming across the new world. So even if you do try and take him in if the warlord system's abolished, you got buggy and a lot of angry clients to deal with"

And so when Kaiod and BM fell, the word got out and because Buggys has a massive influence over the world, who else would have been the next candidate to be Yonko?

So we make a joke about him rising to power, but Yonkos have many factors, including influence, men, monetary gain, reputation, etc

And an ex pirate king guy with a world wide business seems like the most likely candidate

[stark path]

Its no secret that Shanks was/is protective to Buggy, hell even Buggy feels the same about Shanks but he wont admit it. Wouldnt be surprised if it was about Buggy but I'm still of the opinion that BB was the one Shanks talked about

[fathom matrix]

True

I Bet BB's been causing a lot of Havoc for the marines, and what if the warlord were "let go of" because of BB.

Like, they're close to getting Boa or Buggy, but they hear "What? But sir...sir we're so clo-.....FINE, YES SIR, ON OUR WAY!....YOU'RE LUCKY SNAKE PRINCESS, WE GOT BIGGER PROBLEMS, BUT WE'LL BE BACK!"

[fair escarp]

I feel that it could be Luffy that Shanks was talking about. Because after he spoke with the 5 elders they issued an order to kill Luffy. Rob told CP0 agent that due to some conversation that the elders had they have a new order

[sand sail]

This was weeks after it happened

[formal marsh]

Im/Imu also talked to the 5 elders and sent an order to kill someone

[soft urchin]

Buggy's Awakening splits the One Piece into infinite pieces so everyone on the planet has a piece and is connected in ONE PIECE

[latent oar]

My bet is on Vivi or Cobra, they were significantly involved with Pluton

[fair escarp]

Vivi’s father perhaps?

[latent oar]

We don’t know, but let Vivi die is clearly nonsense at this point and that won’t affect a single thing, ig they were under arrested and being interrogated?

Anyway Teach is heading to Reverie so Sabo could’ve died there on the news, they will try to get Mera Mera and since GB is on Wano, Sakazuki and Kizaru at MF, BB will face Fujitora there

[stark path]

I bet their original target was vivi but sabo screwed them over and cobra probably asked one too many questions

[modest skiff]

Gorosei killing Cobra for asking too many questions and then blaming it on Sabo feels like the most obvious answer. But what’s obvious is often not true, so who knows

[rain spade]

The b53 theory is well more of a mega theory

1. The SSG is about as strong as a base emperor using haki ( not advanced )
   That's why the warlords like dracule mihawk can be replaced because even though they are really strong in terms of strength not all of them can match an emperor

2. How buggy became an emperor

Buggy became an emperor because he defeated one of the SSG'S, but he did not do it, VEGAPUNK made it look like he did, vegapunk knows that the pirate shanks talked to the world government was buggy D clown, shanks made buggy look like a huge threat to take the spotlight away from luffy who was trying to defeat not open but two emperors abd did not want the WG to send forces against luffy, now coming to vegapunk, he made it look like the SSG'S were defeated by buggy to make the WG think that buggy is about as strong as an emperor, but why did he do this, because he is a part of SWORD and wants to overthrow the WG from within and fujitora is also a part of SWORD and they are trying to overthrow the government to eventually make it better and erase the corruption that's why fujitora suggested that SSG replace the warlord system

3. Vivi died in the revire

I think Vivi saw imu sitting on the throne and they kill her but sabo was watching and saw that, also cobra knows where Uranus is

4. Devil fruits are humans

I still don't have a really good theory on this but more than inherited will i also think devil fruits are reincarnated humans from the ancient century, idk abt this theory

This is all a theory

AN ANIME THEORY

[night junco]

Idk if this is the right place for this If theres different speices of humans like long arms, lunarian, minks, fishmen, and giants. Is it possible buggy is a difference species human or does he just have a red nose from birth or is he hiding his true nose under the red one?

[latent oar]

It’s just an accessory that every other clowns in real life/anime usually have on them. Why is that? It’s well explained but just know that it’s not something make Buggy another species beside human

and it’s something of a theory that Buggy is unusual, perhaps that’s why he’s been raised by Roger ever since he was a little kid, we have no idea how Shanks and Buggy got accepted as an apprentice but that surely got something to be explained later

[stark path]

Vivi did not die. Same reasoning as Sabo, Oda will not kill very important lore characters off screen

[night junco]

I mostly ask because if it bother him so much to have a red nose like that why not take it off

[latent oar]

Buggy’s DF allows him to not be chopped, neither bombed, then imo he hid his nose somewhere else and replaced it with a red nose as a clown, DF owner can’t swim so in case he drowns his nose can still breathe, why red nose because he sees himself as a clown from the beginning, sarcasm isn’t part of it but a clown can’t put on something else ig

[night junco]

I thought he always had his nose?

Plus to make my idea even sillier Rudolph the rednose reindeer led santa throw the fog. What if buggy is key to finding one piece lol

[latent oar]

Can’t say anything about this but Buggy plays a crucial role since then. He will definitely hold a key to many mysteries later, especially why a rookie like him and Shanks can sail on Oro Jackson, after all what we refer to when it comes to Laugh Tale is a “clown”.

[night junco]

Thats true! Never thought about it like that

[rain spade]

Called a theory for a reason

[zinc iris]

it's very rare for oda to just kill characters for the emotional impact
he mostly does it when the plot requires it to happen to continue

[frail moon]

Vivi is Uranus and Pell and Chaka are the things she controls.

[zinc iris]

poseidon being shirahoshi really mindbroke the community about what the ancient weapons are

[modest skiff]

!theories please provide more elaboration or reason why you think something rather than 1 sentence

[lone hedge]

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[frail moon]

Vivi is Uranus first of all. Uranus is the god of the sky and Vivi is closely related to the rain. Vivi, Shirahoshi and Momo (who I think is Pluton) are all very similar characters. Young generation born of royalty of a country with ties to the ancient kingdom, next in line to become monarch. Their country is threatened by a pirate who wants to take over, and almost destroys the main city in the final act. Both want to travel with the Strawhats but ultimately decide to stay because the duty to their country is more important. All have a theme of maturing. That way you have one for the west, middle and east of the grand line.

Both Momo and Shirahoshi have a life that they can hear the voice of, and Luffy can hear it too, but only the ancient weapons can actually control it. Both end up unlocking their power when their life is being threatened.

Vivi also has a moment like this too, with Pell.

When Vivi is dropped off the ledge by Crocodile, at the last moment Pell swoops in to save her with Luffy riding. Luffy says in a panel that takes up nearly the whole page "we heard your voice too". They heard her voice, despite the fact they were in the opposite end of the country, and the people around her couldn't hear her. They didn't hear her voice, they heard her voice.

Just like how Momo and Shirahoshi suddenly unlock their powers to control a living thing/s when their life is directly in danger, Vivi subconsciously summoned Pell as she was falling to her death.

Chaka is too. Pell and Chaka are both equally described as the guardian deities of Alabasta. 4/4 times that Vivi is about to die either Pell or Chaka are always the ones to swoop in at the last minute and save her.

I think Pell and Chaka are the sword and spear of Joyboy/Nika that you can see in the silhouette, fed Zoan fruits. Much like how I believe Zuneisha was Joyboy's ship fed an elephant fruit. And the sea Kings are Joyboy's nakama, because Joyboy was the ancestor of giant snake Nola in Skypiea, go watch Randy Troy's theory on Joyboy being a snake.

All of the things controlled by the ancient weapons are directly related to Joyboy.

I can't remember the exact details but in alabasta I think Chaka is described as the one that attacks and Pell is defense, something along those lines. Which fits with a spear, an aggressive weapon, and a sword, also a fighter but can also block, parry etc.

How did Pell survive the blast? Possibly because he was originally a black blade sword, which are said to be nigh-indestructable.

The only thing that doesn't directly line up is how Pell and Chaka can change the weather of the grand line. Like how Zuneisha can destroy the red line and Poseidon's power can clear the calm belts. Thus ending the world governments separation of people. I guess Pell moved the bomb up to the sky which caused the rain to fall, but that's really a one time thing. My current theory is that Vivi will get dragons fruit which is the rain god fruit, and will herself change the grand line, and Pell and Chaka are just there as bodyguards.

Fuck I need to just write a full theory at this point

[acoustic granite]

As we know tom passed on the blueprints to 2 apprentices franky and iceburg. In ennies lobby franky believed he destroyed the last known blueprints to the ship. In reality this is false.

Just as franky was 1 of 2 apprentices, Tom was also 1 of 2 apprentices in water 7. Tom is much more akin to iceburg. Even the dudes name is supposed to highlight how he is very cool calm and collected. While Franky is much more overexcited and wild. So Tom was the iceburg of the previous apprentices. Meaning the other apprentice was alot more like franky and love building dangerous weaponry like the pluton ship.

Likely in this arc or maybe the next. Franky will learn that someone else has the blueprints. Likely someone who is very dangerous and likes building dangerous things. And he will realise Tom wasn't the only inheritor.

Btw if its not obvious I'm implying the other apprentice alongside Tom was rocks. So rocks had access to pluton.
So rocks ship was built by himself. His name being xebec, a name based on a famous ship just like franky (cutty sark) also adds to this.
Likely rocks destroyed rogers first ship and roger realised he couldn't compete with rocks unless he had a comparable calibre ship. Tom then built a ship for roger so he could compete with rocks on the seas

[acoustic granite]

Yeah vivi is not Uranus. How or in what way does vivi parallel shirahoshi other than being a princess. She can't communicate with anything via voice of all things.

The ancient weapon poseidon is a member of a race that dominates in the sea. Uranus should be from a sky race aka Birkan lunarian shandian if Uranus is even a person anyway

[modest skiff]

I don't think we need to assume Uranus has VOAT

Pluton is a ship while still being an ancient weapon

Since Shirahoshi is an "ancient weapon" and yet her powers can be used for entirely altruistic purposes, if she so chose, the same could be true of both pluton and uranus

[versed hamlet]

yes, but the key word is "could", we have so little to go off of in terms of what to expect for ancient weapons. it's entirely plausible that shirahoshi is the exception and the others can be used for entirely militaristic purposes

[feral pike]

guys what do you think of weevil and buggy alliance

[modest skiff]

All I'm saying is it makes zero sense to totally discount goblin's theory since the only thing we know about uranus is that it exists lol

[tranquil hatch]

bruh

[worldly elbow]

What if theres gods haki, stronger than kings haki

Only celestials and eater of 4 god devil fruit can use (sun, earth, forest, rain)

[acoustic granite]

Each ancient weapon has the potential to destroy and save the world. Zunesha nearly died to a couple Jack fleets

[peak coyote]

that would break the whole one piece power system

[acoustic granite]

Hypothetical but if Uranus is a person. It should be someone who is much more neutral. Someone who blackbeard or imu can manipulate

[naive wolf]

[worldly elbow]

Theory:

Greenbull is the wielder of forest god devil fruit

He went to wano to exchange sabo's life with luffys sun god devil fruit by extracting his devil fruit powers using vegapunks technology

[naive wolf]

the forest god DF aint that crazy, but what does that have to do with "exchange sabo's life with luffy" and "extracting his DF power" ????

[worldly elbow]

The world knew sabo and luffy are brothers

Im guessing GB works for vegapunk

Fujitora mentioned vegapunk created something incredible

Sun god nika df belongs to world government in the first place and they're trying to take it back by giving luffy an ultimatum which is sabo's life in exchange for luffy's power

[naive wolf]

now sounds more plausible i guess, still...

i think about the posibility of "take away" DF abilities (no like BB who cancel) and think it be a really really broken ability; now, if this happen for real i could see luffy willingly take away his abilities in order to safe sabo's life, but i doubt something like this happen because the implications that could lead this event

also, luffy without Nika DF still is way stronger than lots of fighters, so we have to assume that, even on the case Aramaki can cast away his DF powers, he have to deal against ACoC luffy's punches, so is not an effective way to shut down luffy either way, unless like you saying, this doesnt become a fight rather an "exchange"

[frail moon]

I'll clear this up. Sun God Fruit = Luffy. Earth God Fruit = Blackbeard (Tremor Fruit). Rain God Fruit = Dragon. Forest God Fruit = Aramaki.

[tender forum]

Where did this talk of god came from

[acoustic granite]

What if a lunarian had their wings removed to avoid identification or there wings were removed to remove their ability to fly.

[hasty cairn]

also, luffy having his DF taken away fits somewhat well, because of people with devil fruits cant reach raftel

[naive wolf]

chapter 1044 lol

[naive wolf]

honestly, the gura gura no mi being secretly a godly DF aint like completely far fetched, since it was told it is a power capable of destroyin the planet and is obviously not an ancient weapon or any sorta, but i should say that another retcon similar like nika is odd for must of people, doesnt mean it wont happen at all tho

[golden swallow]

where is this mentioned?

[hasty cairn]

buggy got sick on roger’s ship right before they reached raftel, toki got (we assume) the same sickness

[naive wolf]

k, so observing the scraps of ideas dropped here i see a plausible conclusion: great vegapunk science was able to create a powerful weapon able to wash away one's DF abilities, and Aramaki will used (is it him the weapon himself?) to make Luffy's nika DF disappear or something, so he will be able to enter to laughtale, given the fact that there is a posibility that DF user's cannot approach laughtale either way; i think is not completely out of place, yet i cannot think on Luffy's ending the series without his powers, besides there should be plenty enough points to counter everything i just paraphrased

i just tried to randomly connected the dots lol

[cobalt bronze]

Roger also got sick but it WAS before they even met oden or had any road polneglyphs

[hasty cairn]

but he didnt get the same sickness as buggy and toki, they had the same sickness while roger had an incurable sickness

[slender snow]

buggy found the treasure that the T-mark lead to which he got from Luffy in Impel Down, and that is what put him at this Yonko status, the question is, what did he find?

[rose berry]

which is best website for colored manga

[naive wolf]

#🔗old-wiki

[dreamy hull]

if there is an earth god DF I would put that on Imu if something considering the name "Pangea Castle" and Pangea being the union of the whole massive emersed earth in primordial times . Other alternative may use some kind of water based DF

[heavy ocean]

Watching the davy backfight arc again

Interesting to note, they mentioned a "Pirate island" in that arc which was where the pirate game supposedly originated.

Reckon this relates to Hachinosu and how the Rocks pirates were formed?

[severe violet]

Nothing new, I also think that's how the Davy Backfight and Rocks came to be. It's very strongly tied together + Captain John's treasure.

[stark path]

Its fullalead, same island that was where rocks resided and bb now

[opal moth]

shanks father is xebec

[stark path]

Care to elaborate?

[heavy ocean]

Basically the Davy Back Fight game originated from there

[muted tangle]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[heavy ocean]

I have always wondered why powerful pirates, especially 3 future yonko, decided to join Xebecs team.
It haw been heavily implied the rocks pirates lacked any camaderie.

Which brings the question where a much deadlier version of the Davy Back Fight was involved in the formation of the Rocks pirates

[acoustic granite]

No way. Rocks is the connect between them. The rocks crew is definitely one of those organisations

Everyone likes and look up to the captain.
But they all hate each other.

Literally rocks was there only glue. Rocks disappears crew breaks apart

Everyone in the beast pirates has a single theme. Everyone in the wb pirates and big mom pirates has a single theme.

Rocks crew has no theme to it. Several different kinds of guys with different ambitions.

[heavy ocean]

You really think so?
I believe we are missing something here. There has to be a deeper reason why the rocks pirates formed

[dreamy hull]

they admired strenght and wanted to get to be the strongest

[heavy ocean]

Going by that logic, how come none of the older Yonkous joined forces with Roger

[acoustic granite]

Roger doesn't have that ability. I think rocks has the same ability as luffy that mihawk described to draw people to him

[heavy ocean]

I think Xebec had to have some sort of powerful leverage that can throw the world into chaos. Uncertain on what it could be

[worthy sinew]

Toki stayed back in wano dude
She did not get sick

[heavy ocean]

Think Big Mom also mentioned that Rocks was untrustworthy and undeserving of respect in Kaidos flashback.
I honestly dont think those big name pirates of that era joined Rocks cause of his popularity or power.

[modest skiff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[formal marsh]

Xebec certainly didn't have that kind of ability. The Rocks were mentioned to be always full of internal strife. The only cohesion between them was probably having more power and loot. The bond between Roger and WB looked way bigger that between WB and the remains of the Rocks. On the other hand, Roger Pirates were shown to be more cohesive, and Roger was able to leave Oden without words and make him temporary leave the WB Pirates and join him.

[dreamy hull]

if they were brainwashed would not have low opinion of him
A ship ruling could also be on the way
If roger rules were more strict to follow in regards of casualties and mass destruction would be unlikely for them with such strong wills to want be there.
At least on Rocks ship they could do whatever

[small creek]

It’s not joke. Im taking it seriously

[modest skiff]

Read the whole message. Needs to be thorough about why you think it’s true, a paragraph rather than a sentence

It can’t just be “this is cool or interesting”, it needs to be “here is why I think this is true”

But you can always feel free to post things like “this is cool” in #also-manga since it’s intended to be less serious

[polar silo]

You'd probably get better discussions on this channel if you didn't have to use paragraphs to converse

[acoustic granite]

What do you mean certainly didn't have that ability. Luffys ability doesn't remove internal struggle

Whitebeard was in the crew. And he told kaidou to meet rocks. With no animosity towards rocks. It makes sense that someone else has this same strongest ability ability luffy had. Since rocks is among the top 5 candidates for final villain

[worldly elbow]

My theory:

Zoro will never get to beat mihawk but still going to be worlds greatest swordsman

In the current world situation zoro will have no time or a reason to fight mihawk when the world is about to end

Im guessing something will happen to mihawk that makes him unable to fight anymore, either injury or death

Or zoro will fight side by side with mihawk and he will prove that he became much stronger than him

[trail current]

My theory:

Enma is a cursed sword that makes the user have delusions that they’re the “king of hell” and that they’re stronger than a certain cook

[dreamy hull]

Zorro could also do that after the main story ends. All Strawhats dreams are mostly achieveble in brief drawn skips

[acoustic granite]

The person who made ace mumorigiri and gryphon is the same guy. A person who can make more powerful weapons than kozaburo

[dreamy hull]

about kozaburo
Ryokugyo has some resemblance to him
Lips,expression and flowers on dress. Probably nothing but may worth notice

[acoustic granite]

Lips don't mean shit in one piece for blood relation

[formal marsh]

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[modest skiff]

Also worth noting Sengoku has not been a reputable source of philosophical accuracy. How did he view Ace? When we look at the dreams of Kaido, BM and WB, it feels inconceivable he was a villain. At worst, I think he was an antihero. But antihero is not a bad guy. Not to mention the “how high will you go” thing where Xebec is among other great, noble characters such as Oden and Shanks

[maiden lynx]

So I was trying to think of what Buggy could have done to bullshit his way into being a yonko and… what if he accidentally awakened his fruit?

Like when he was fleeing his island, the marine fleet spotted him and fired a canon. In a moment of panic, Buggy held his arms out, awaiting death, but when he opened his eyes, he found that the canon ball had been diced up, as if chopped by a knife.

Then he held out his hand again and ended up chopping up entire WG ship. So like Buggy is actually kind of powerful now, just in the cheesiest most bullshit way possible.

[polar silo]

How many people think something crazy is going to happen before Wano ends?

[maiden lynx]

I think Wano has ended. I feel like we have to be in some sort of post-wano arc. The mega arcs like Enies Lobby, and Marineford both had epilogue arcs. Wano seems like it should have the same.

[pure raven]

I think it’s already happening. Like we found out about pluton, there gb coming, buggy yonko, sabo stuff, and all the other stuff that’s happening outside of the world

[polar silo]

I don't know Wano seems to be still going

I think something crazy or unexpected is going to happen in Wano. A Sabaody 2.0 maybe

[pure raven]

I think tbh wano will keep going like there’s just to much we have to cover

[inner mantle]

can horo horo no mi counter nika?

[dreamy hull]

it's not about counter,very strong willed people + haki (or Usopp natural negativity back then ) would just brush it off. We also already have its opposite df on belo betty (kobu kobu)

[stark path]

There is lots to cover, we have Ryokugyu invading Wano, solving the SMILE fruit side effect of laughing, discovering pluton, is the alliance over or is Law gonna ally himself permanently with Luffy, what's happening on the outside but tbh Ryokugyu's gonna probably relay that info

[pure raven]

Exactly to many questions left

[wet comet]

ROCKS D XEBEC is alive I tell ya

waiting for the opportunity to strike when the government is at its weakest

[formal marsh]

I'm sorry but your comment is all over the place. First off, while Sengoku might not be "the most reputable source of philosophical accuracy" most of this stems from his view of "Pirates bad, Marines good", yet we have seen most of the world where SH are the pirates and there are some other pirates that are bad, when in reality it's closer to the opposite, most pirates are evil and some, including SH, WB are an exception to the rule. Then, there's Kaido and BM's dream, to be fair, they mean shit. Like Luffy said, you can't let your dream to step over everyone else, and that's what they did. Xebec did the same, even if you consider celestial dragons to be evil enough (without exceptions) to be worthy of whatever punishment he was giving them, don't forget they were doing the same to the slaves. Lastly, and I can't belive this even needs to be discussed, Xebec being near noble character like Oden, Shanks and Roger in the "how far you'll go" panel, means shit when what was being considered was power/strength.

[hasty cairn]

because she was sick, oden even wanted to stay with her to be with her while she was sick, have u read that chapter? toki stated that if oden leaves roger she’ll disband their marriage

[modest skiff]

I’m at work right now but I’ll reply to you in #manga-serious since this feels more like a topic for that. I think you make good points

!theories

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, power scaling, bounty predictions or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description. Posts here must be in paragraph form, preferably with evidence, not just a one line open question.

[maiden lynx]

How are bounty predictions not serious theories?

[modest skiff]

Generally darts at a wall. Just look at how they turned out recently. And there isn’t really much to discuss. There’s no evidence or hints or anything, so there isn’t worthwhile discussion to be had

And @maiden lynx keep in mind these topics are totally welcome in #manga and #also-manga , not banned in the whole server. Just that we try to have a couple specialized channels here for other topics

[stark path]

Is it just me or does Marco fit to join SHs? I know him joining the grand fleet is most likely but everything he has done since Marineford for Luffy up until now makes me think that he might join in in some capacity

[fair escarp]

I mean what would his role be? Chopper is already the doctor

[tacit zephyr]

Maybe like Barto is not officially a strawhat but part of the fleet. He'll prolly be an Ally

[glass orchid]

I can see it

[acoustic granite]

Yeah those characters we know excluding xebec are

bigger than life characters
all positive figures
incredibly strong.

And the funny thing I noticed is that 3 of them face the 4th wall while 2 seem to stare at each other. And the 3 who look at the 4th wall all died on screen.

[acoustic granite]

I've been thinking this. Just thinking from the characters perspective. You formed the strongest crew ever. Several of the most powerful conquerors and you still lost. Why would you reveal yourself just so these guys can ally against you again. You would do an opposite strategy and hide in the shadows

[obsidian yoke]

I don't know why, but I think that Tama is going to be revealed to be a Kurozumi

[wet comet]

Why would you think that

[obsidian yoke]

Well she is the only Wano character that doesn't have a last name, her hair color is similar to Orochi, and Sukiyaki interest in her is interesting now we now who he is, and her friendship with Momo could be the beginning of repairing the rift between the families

And because Kurozumi slaughter is something I feel like One Piece should address

[stark path]

Theory no longer valid since her flashback

[dreamy hull]

could still have had that bloodline at some point

we not really know much of her parents and the kurozumi persecution started quite some time ago and her parents may have had been able live hidden under new identities or just adopter her in case had pity seeing her once her true parents died

[fiery cliff]

I think Marco’s somewhat retired like Rayleigh, mostly I put my money on vivi to be a political figure in straw hats
And in case he was a sh he would basically lose his informations gathering method because he wouldn’t be able to go around alone that much
Plus it would fuck up the whole crew’s bounty system and vice captain meme

[obsidian yoke]

Exactly what I was thinking

[analog sun]

She's not the only one: Toko doesn't have one either, nor do many of the scabbards

[acoustic granite]

How will she be revealed as a kurozumi. We have a flashback with parents

Whitebeard said that shanks face reminds of the enemy who gave him his scar and it aches when he sees shanks face. This is because I believe the face of the man who scarred whitebeard looks alot like shanks.
I do not believe this is rocks d. Xebec. Although I believe it is a prominent member of the crew just after rocks himself named scotch.
In the same chapter, both whitebeard and shanks mentioned scars that ache them. We learn who gave them to shanks but whitebeards own remains unknown.
Blackbeard gave shanks these scars. These scars resemble the marks that one would receive from claws like bear claws.

[sand sail]

It was Roger

[acoustic granite]

So do I have to stop my theory just because you think it was roger

[sand sail]

You don't have to, but the one he's referencing is pretty clearly Roger. We see the fight that gives Whitebeard the scars on his chest, and they sit and reminisce about Roger's crew specifically. Wouldn't really make sense for Whitebeard to have an ache from someone in Rocks when he didn't have any scars when he met Oden

The only scars on his body, unless he was hiding some on his legs

[acoustic granite]

In some translations he says bastard. And in the anime he says bastard. And its not clear that its roger. We literally get a zoom into shanks features and then he says he reminds him of this guy

[sand sail]

We literally see the fight that gives Whitebeard the only scars he's ever been known to have on his body, and it's with Roger

Pretty much no matter what, it can't be someone from Rocks at the least even if it's not Roger who did it. He doesn't have any scars when he meets Oden

[acoustic granite]

No the fight with roger didn't give him a scar on his chest that's headcanon. He had bandages so did roger. Bandages don't mean scars in one piece

[sand sail]

Bandages over the area where the scars show up?

It's a pretty easy conclusion to come to

Either way, unless he fought some member of Rocks after Roger died, there's not much way for it to have been someone from that crew

[acoustic granite]

I don't think it's roger. And i have good reason to explain why it isn't roger. If you let me finish my theory

[sand sail]

Go for it, but you'll have to account for those inconsistencies as well

There's also the looser question of who could possibly scar the strongest man in the world if not Roger

[acoustic granite]

I mean the flow of my theory disappeared with this mini in between convo so Imma repost it to make it flow for anyone else reading.

[sand sail]

Sure, go for it

[acoustic granite]

Whitebeard said that shanks face reminds of the enemy who gave him his scar and it aches when he sees shanks face. This is because I believe the face of the man who scarred whitebeard looks alot like shanks.
I do not believe this is rocks d. Xebec. Although I believe it is a prominent member of the crew just after rocks himself named scotch.
In the same chapter, both whitebeard and shanks mentioned scars that ache them. We learn who gave them to shanks but whitebeards own remains unknown.
Blackbeard gave shanks these scars. These scars resemble the marks that one would receive from claws like bear claws.

As we can see blackbeard possesses these bear type claws as both a young boy and grown man. Likely being the weapon to scar shanks with.

When whitebeard is being killed in his final moments by blackbeard. He says sorry guys "I failed to kill that fool". This at first glance is clearly referencing blackbeard but in those final moments he realised the true threat behind blackbeards actions.

As we know blackbeards character is extremely erratic. Almost akin to switching personalities. And his power to consume multiple fruits fruits which we know attach to the users soul rather than flesh through brook, with his 3 headed jolly roger.

Not done. Just letting the pics flow between

He says he couldn't finish the fool of. I believe this a reference to a member of the rocks pirates who whitebeard believed he killed at god valley named scotch.

I will elaborate on why i think this characters name is Scotch.

The punk hazard incident is intentionally made to be parallel to god valley incident in some capacity. And I believe it it 2 side of the same coin with the incident.
There are 2 characters highlighted. Rock and scotch the yeti cool brothers who are assasins who work for ceaser. They are tasked by ceaser to kill brownbeard.
Rock and scotch in my belief are 2 sides of the same coin with

Rocks d. Xebec - captain of rocks pirates

Scotch - core member of rocks crew

Brownbeard - whitebeard

Brownbeard believes his leader is a righteous man but learns ceaser planned to kill him and gave no f's about him. Scotch attacks brownbeard believing he has killed brownbeard. But ultimately failed to kill brownbeard.

Not done just letting pics flow

Important part here.

Brownbeard was betrayed by his leader who he thought was righteous man. And scotch attempted to kill brownbeard, believing he had killed brownbeard but failed.

I believe in God valley. Whitebeard betrayed his leader, rocks d. Xebec, and attacked a member of the crew named scotch. Whitebeard believed he had killed scotch. But ultimately failed did not kill scotch. This in my opinion is the fool who he refers to that he couldn't finish in his final moments.

I will elaborate.

The yeti cool brothers both rock and scotch then make contact with the ope ope no mi user. Who then kills both Rock and scotch.

Punk hazard - ope ope no mi user kills rock and scotch

God valley - ope ope no mi user saves rock and scotch.

In my belief placing them in an infant blackbeard. As a doctor being chosen by the fruit. They were aware of blackbeards bodily disorder which allowed for a 3 to 1 body transplant.

Usually 1 soul for 1 body. But blackbeards body is weird. Ths is what allows him and no one else to have 3 souls coinhabit.

Not done just letting pics flow

So blackbeards soul scenario in my belief looks akin to this.
Forgive my spelling of SCOTCH on the right skull

Not done just letting pics flow

I believe this character scotch used bear claws to fight and scar whitebeard. And was placed alongside rocks the captain inside a infant blackbeard.
The reason whitebeard attacked scotch. Is in my belief because scotch killed a member of the rocks pirates who whitebeard was fond of. As we know whitebeard hates that kind of thing.
I believe this character looks alot like shanks and has red hair, likely being shanks father and has named bear claws as weapons. And the names of these claws are shanks

Rogers cutlass - Ace

Scotches claws - Shanks

As we know blackbeard uses bear claws. I believe this is due to scotches influence on blackbeard. And scotch is the reason he was able to scar shanks.
Teach who is normally weak. Became insanely strong and was able to scar shanks with these claws.
So essentially I'm saying the person who gave whitebeard and shanks there scars is the same dude.
The person who gave shanks his scars was his father

Oda likes to play around with puns and wordplay. Shakky a character many believe to be on the rocks pirates is a bartender.

She serves drinks on the ROCKS. The famous saying scotch on the ROCKS as a term for scotch with ice.

Yo I'm nearly done please don't fuck up the flow @halcyon tusk

As we know fruits of one piece characters reflect one's character. Whitebeard has the gura gura no mi. The ultimate ability of destruction that has the capacity to destroy the world.

Obviously he doesn't intend to do that. But ods creates strong contrasts between characters with opposite/antithesis powers.
I believe this character scotch had the chikyuu chikyuu no mi. The earth logia. And uses bear claws. The template of their character is akin to a bear.

Gura gura - sound of tremoring

Chikyuu chikyuu - sound of earth forming.

So as the opposite ability to whitebeards fruit. A fruit with the greatest capacity for destruction and a fruit with the greatest capacity for creation.

Not done yet

[sand sail]

@acoustic granite Are you actively typing this out?

[acoustic granite]

Yes @sand sail
I believe this character alongside rocks was erased from history. And there accomplishments have been handed to other people.

Although they are alive they are dead

[sand sail]

For the future, you're going to have to prepare this beforehand and copy/paste, you're holding up the channel doing it this way

[halcyon tusk]

on god thank you

i have at least one glaring problem but before i respond to it i have a question cause i got a little confused about a detail that got lost in the depths there and i just want to make sure that IS what you think before i say shit

[acoustic granite]

Sorry about that and appreciate you waiting for me to finish.

I was just gonna say I think this character gave the new world its name SHIN SEKAI. And fully explored it before roger. But they are DEAD in one piece terms alongside rocks.

Roger is physically dead yet remembered. Rocks and scotch are physically alive but DEAD since they are forgotten.

@halcyon tusk ask away

And they are 2 people who led the era before roger

[halcyon tusk]

did i see in there where yu were thinking that maybe shanks and whitebeard were discussing this man you are theorizing about when shanks said his eye scars hurt and not them both talking about a scar left behind from teech..? or did i fuck up and get some lines crossed cause that be happenin a lot Omm 😓

[sand sail]

There are a lot of problems with the theory. Whitebeard didn't have any scars on him 13 years after sailing with Rocks, the Ope Ope can't do anything with souls, Punk Hazard being a parallel to God Valley doesn't really make any sense, there's literally nothing in common between the two places. Wano would be a much closer parallel imo. Blackbeard's personality has never been erratic, he's been the exact same since his introduction in Jaya, he's literally never changed. There wouldn't really be any way for Blackbeard to be involved in God Valley in the way you suggested when the island gets destroyed and no one knows about him once Whitebeard picks him up, and Teach has never been weak. The dude's always been a monster, scarring Shanks shouldn't come as any surprise

[halcyon tusk]

i just wanted to bring this up if i wasn’t trippin and ion care beyond this

shanks eye scars definitely came from bb is al i wanted to say

[acoustic granite]

I think the Ace novel also gives a hint to blackbeards true nature. One side ace is smiling and one side ace is frowning.

In reality the 2 sides are the same. So the 2 people in teach used to be like the 2 people on the left.

[sand sail]

Also, Roger was famous specifically because he was the first person in the last 800 years to explore all of the New World, Rocks never got that far at all

The Ace novel isn't canon, that shouldn't be brought in

[acoustic granite]

Oh is it not cool.

But a point I wanted to bring up is that rocks accomplishments seem to get handed to other people. For example whitebeard being considered rogers greatest rival as a pirate

[sand sail]

Whitebeard was never considered his greatest, just his only equal around when he went to Laugh Tale

[acoustic granite]

Lmao I just realised. You got a closeup of whitebeard and I got a close up of roger

[halcyon tusk]

i thought it was sanctioned to become canon like back in 2020 by oda

[sand sail]

Nah, Oda just gave his blessing for the guy to run free, it's basically just a glorious fanfiction

[acoustic granite]

Potentially the guys who attacked god valley were the former 3 admirals at the time. The only reason people fear the celestials is because of their ability to deploy the admirals.

And it explains why a vice admiral had to step up to the forefront. The celestials said to deploy the admirals and realised the ones attacking them were the admirals that defected

[halcyon tusk]

be that as it may, we’re there to have been anything at all that on any way hurts the actual canon then it would’ve been shut down then right? or should oda sayin “go hamm” as his meaning actually being “yeah cool, write it, do what you want, ion care”

[sand sail]

That can't be the case, Rocks operated for years before going to God Valley. The navy wouldn't lose 3 admirals at once and not have it be massive news, and there's no possible way Garp and Roger would've been able to stop them if that were the case

Likewise, it's stated that the Rocks pirates just generally fought with and killed each other, and it's implied heavily that Garp and Roger only had to fight Xebec because of it. 3 admirals would've made that fight impossible

[sand sail]

Oda wouldn't comment on it, no. He gave his blessing for the author to do whatever he wanted, and there actually are things that go against canon in it

Like Ace's first mate not existing in the series

[halcyon tusk]

i don’t see how that hurt anything though. even if we had known him, and he were there at marineford, Akainu still punches a hole through Ace

[sand sail]

Sure, but the novel covers Ace's past, not current timeline stuff

[acoustic granite]

I think the next arc will have Marco in it and it will focus on bringing weevil and backin into the story. Alongside with moria and blackbeard and his plan to use moria to revive some dead rocks pirates

[sand sail]

To what end? There would be no point, their bodies are all bones now

[acoustic granite]

And doesn't he have John's corpse

[modest skiff]

Captain John wasn't particularly useful as a zombie. not sure how useful the others would be

[sand sail]

^ He had John's corpse yeh, looks like he got it before it decomposed much, so it would've been relatively recent

Decomposition takes place over months though, not years. Unless they were buried in some snowy area, there's not much chance of there being bodies worth having in general

They wouldn't be nearly as strong, wouldn't have the same personalities/minds, and probably aren't worth the effort of trying to bring back

[acoustic granite]

The shadow seems to be real problem it seems like. Ryumas body could only make brooks shadow so powerful.

And don't you think the strawhats and more so luffy will learn about how blackbeard killed a nakama on the crew of ace and some more details behind what initiated the conflict through Marco

Or you think Marco is just gonna go his separate way

[halcyon tusk]

that isn’t to mention actually finding their actual corpses as well. too much effort for no real payoff

[sand sail]

They already know, Ace told him about it

[naive wolf]

sucha long theory i just read, my thoughts: yea, since i realize the name of the cool brother on PH, i had the hunch that it might mirroing Rocks in some way, a new unknown character named Scotch aint sound too crazy for me, but then, about BB split personality and WB scars, i might be no convinced at all and even a bit ignorant about the time of everything regards that

[agile tangle]

What theory?

Wait nvm sorry

[naive wolf]

the convo, scroll up

there are three person named similar or the same as rocks, being xebec, the coolbrother and rockstar; we also have the name of luffy's attack "roc"; then we have the "rok"ushiki style; i might forgetting more no doubt, those might be some clues oda show us using the same phonetic for some reason: there is always the posibility that those do not link each other at all, but is interesting to make theories out of this tracks, at least is fun

[latent oar]

So I have a feeling that Bara Bara no mi is actually a mythical Fruit that was name-changed to protect Buggy. Roger’s crew all used Haki then why he kept that DF on the ship, for sale? Is the Pirate King that poor when they can rob any ships they want, the only reasonable explanation here seems to be that’s a special fruit, and Roger keeps it to investigate later. Unfortunately Buggy ate it so in order to protect him he fooled Buggy.

[agile tangle]

Bro I don't think every fruit will have the same story as gomu

[hearty chasm]

also this is buggy. he is better and stronger than luffy even without a df

[latent oar]

There’s only 1 exceptional case is Luffy, another one isn’t hard to understand imo

[steel wolf]

this guy is operating 5 goda foreshadowing levels above everyone else

[steady prism]

In Chapter 19, we learn that the Roger pirates found this fruit after fighting with an incoming ship. They’re pirates, and there was a ship approaching them, why would they need a reason to fight against other pirates? The rest of the crew clearly didn’t want to eat it, and neither did Buggy (because he wanted to sell it). The regular people in the crew clearly didn’t know what to expect and nobody explained to Buggy what his powers were, just like CP9’s experience when they ate unknown dfs……nothing in Buggy’s df’s backstory indicates anything extraordinary. If you’d like his df to be a mythical Zoan then fine, but imo you’d be hard-pressed to find evidence to support it.

[acoustic granite]

Aside from that, we have weevil grouping Marco and luffy together for the same purpose. Which means the history of white beard and backin will likley get brought up in that conflict and why she seems to hate him

Like people don't realise the next arc hasn't been established yet. When it's usually brought up near the final chapters of an arc prior.

Whatever it is, highly doubt they just gonna shoehorn shanks saying " come to elbaf luffy" lol. And the elbaf arc has to start with an already pre existing story line to involve the entire country. Whether antagonistic or a friendly.
Dressrosa had the toys from the jump and we knew doffy controlled it.
Doffy antagonist controlled dressrosa
Crocodile antagonist controlled alabasta from behind the scenes.
Punk hazard was random.
Wano had a clear strong build up from the punk hazard plotline.
Elbaf has nowhere near the same buildup. Like not even a single bit of buildup. No Adam Wood mention. No dorry and broggy shit.

[pure raven]

Tbh I think it is next. Like it’s among the final islands, it has a lot of connections to@ussop and bravery in an arc where ussop ain’t really done much. And like arcs leas into new arcs when they are in the same saga. Punk hazard was a bit random bc it was the start of a new saga. Like what other arcs or places would we go?

[muted tangle]

Disclaimer: I don't know if this has been talked about or not but I found an interesting theory on twitter by MrUFO. This is about Laughtale/One Piece.

As we head into the final saga, the big question on everyone’s mind is this: Where is Laugh Tale?

JOH! JOH! JOH! In this theory, I’ll talk about why Laugh Tale might be right under our noses.

There has been theories that Laughtale might be underwater and there are a bunch of hints that kinda justifies it.
Raleigh being a coating expert, and Roger and Shanks not wanting to lose their ability to swim.

Also, there’s a line in Bink’s Sake that’s especially telling about Laugh Tale being underwater:

“If you lose your nerve this breath could be your last”

Where else might you hold your breath, but underwater, am I right?

As a matter of fact, I think Bink’s Sake is not just significant because of it’s symbolism.

There’s a reason why it was playing as the Roger Pirates were reaching their ultimate destination - the song holds instructions for getting to Laugh Tale.

There’s actually an incident in the story which mirrors the events described in Bink’s Sake - the appearance of the Knock-up Stream in Jaya.

Let me show you.

"The waves are our pillows, the ship our roost

Flying the proud skull on our flags and our sails"

[pure raven]

I think it’s neat. But I doubt it’ll happen a lot if end games players have df

[muted tangle]

"Now comes a storm through the far-off sky"
"Now the waves are dancing, beat upon the drums"

So this lead me to a line of thought - could Laugh Tale actually be at the island of Jaya?

There’s a surprising number of details that point to this…
Jaya is clearly a place of importance - a lot of game-changers happened here.

We learn that there’s a reason why the Log Pose is round.

We also first hear of Noland, the Liar.

It’s also where we first encounter Blackbeard, we learn that "PEOPLE'S DREAMS DON'T EVER END!"

It’s also where we meet Bellamy, whose epithet is the Hyena, a creature known for it’s laughter.

Along with the boisterous crowd at the bar, Bellamy laughed at Luffy Zoro and Nami for wanting to go to the Sky Island.

Laugh...tale?

Let me share four other points that might seem like coincidences…but with One Piece, you never know.

1. A character is introduced - Jobo. It’s two letters away from the legendary Joyboy.
2. The sound that the South Bird makes is unique. JOH! Could this be a hint to Joyboy?
3. In this arc, we meet Cricket, Shojou and Masira, who are mariners.
   They were about to say something about the “ancient mariners" - before they were cut off.

[latent oar]

This is well explained before, and there’s a strong believe that Laugh Tale and One Piece are significantly refered to Skypia arc, which is all about the whole Jaya and Void Century thing. Even Nika once hinted there and the whole theory commenced ever since Skypia begins. What’s surprising is when we read that arc thoroughly, we see much references to laugh tale.

[muted tangle]

4. There’s this symbol that’s peppered throughout Jaya. I've always wondered what it meant.

Now, what happens if we rotate this symbol 45 degrees?
You get a circle which contains a cross, and four objects around it. (Pardon the poor diagram - but I hope you get it.)

Maybe…just maybe, this symbolizes the four Road Poneglphys and island of Laugh Tale, marked by the cross.

[latent oar]

It once emerged about an English theory on youtube (translated from Japanese), the whole story about Sun and Moon, that Laugh Tale is the right eye of Skypiea, that was convincing to me

[muted tangle]

Now, where exactly in Jaya would Laugh Tale be?

When I said under our nose, I actually meant under the nose of Jaya.

I think it’s right here - in Mouth Bay. Where else would laughter come from?

I think getting to Laugh Tale will mean somehow summoning the Knock-up Stream to Mouth Bay.

Instead of being Knocked-up, you ride the storm down, towards the source of the Stream.

"Never-Ending, Ever-wandering, Our funny Traveling tale!"

So…if Laugh Tale is in the Mouth Bay of Jaya…and you imagine Laugh Tale being the intersection of Road Poneglyphs, do you know what you get?

That’s a pretty Jolly Roger. ☠️

The Laugh Tale is at the Mouth Bay of Jaya.

Wild huh? If you look at the cover for** Chapter 100** and Chapter 1000, there's a prominent skull.

There's gold flowing out of it's mouth. Coincidence? Maybe not. 😉

lol forgot to upload these two
Now its complete.

[hot heart]

interestiing some facts i hadn't heard before. the idea that Raftel is underwanter has been theorized before. one particular place of note is giant 'abyss' that we encountered in Eines Lobby. Overall a good read.

[acoustic granite]

Good theory

[muted tangle]

yea I heard most of the points before but the JOH sound, the circle with the cross, and the skull mouth with gold flowing are quite interesting and those were on quite the significant chapter covers

[minor prawn]

But needed the laughtale to be in the new world isnt it said that the one piece is somewhere in the new world?

[fair dome]

End of the New World, that’s confirmed true

[muted tangle]

the last island is lodestar island, Laugh tale is not mentioned as the last island

[fair dome]

I mean you can’t just assume they’re gonna be mentioning it

[muted tangle]

you're the one assuming here right? was it ever mentioned that its at the end of new world?

[tepid coral]

Yeah it was mentioned that it's an island that lies at the ene of the new world

[muted tangle]

can share the panel?

[tepid coral]

"Last island of Grand line"

[muted tangle]

the last might be in the sense that you need to visit it to complete your journey?

[tepid coral]

It seems like last refers to the end of the grand line and not end of journey

From what we got in zou too

It seems like that

[muted tangle]

share please

[muted tangle]

ah i see

But it still doesnt explicitly confirm that its at the end of newworld

[acoustic granite]

I think the roger pirates temporarily lost gaban in a Davy back fight to rocks. Gaban likely being their navigator.
Gaban also very likley being at the end of the new world under rogers final request.

Rayleigh- end of paradise.
Gaban - end of new world.

With Gaban gone from the crew they were figuratively and literally lost without him. Likely the same will happen with nami

[stark path]

Gaban waiting for SH's at lodestar?

[acoustic granite]

Yeah I think so.

[stark path]

I thought so too. It also fits the 2 sides of the same coin narrative

[naive wolf]

gaban dead or getting old in some island

[acoustic granite]

It makes sense that tom wasn't the only person to inherit the blueprints of pluton. He was 1 of 2 guys.

Tom is extremely sensible. Meaning the other guy who inherited it is akin to franky and loves building dangerous shit

Meaning someone else inherited the 2nd apprentice copy. So franky just destroyed Tom's own copy.

And just going by the quality of rocks ship. And the fact that he was rogers greatest rival on the sea. And the fact he would definitely be involved with the ancient weapons. I'm betting he was the 2nd apprentice with tom

[pure raven]

where did u get that from? that 2 people inherited it?
u just made that up + rocks ship looks totally normal what?

[acoustic granite]

It doesn't look normal. It looks top tier for one piece ships we have seen. It literally looks like the real world blackbeards ship the Anne Marie. You don't seem to know what your talking about
And I didn't make it up. I used simple logic. Tom passes it on to 2 guys. He says the shipwrights of water 7 pass the blueprints from shipwright to apprentice and so on.

He has 2 apprentices who are extremely different. One hates building dangerous shit one loves dangerous things. Tom is clearly much more akin to iceburg.

He also was taught how to be a shipwright by his own mentor. And it makes sense he wasn't the only dude being taught. Just like franky wasn't the only guy

What about that is wild. Its simple inference. Not everything needs to be said in black and white

[pure raven]

looks like every other yonko or big pirate ship
wb
roger
big mom
etc.

Did u skip w7 he passed it onto iceburg and franky. Its mentioned in the manga

[acoustic granite]

Those are all top tier ships in one piece. Rogers ship is top tier. Whitebeards is top tier. And not all those ships are made from adam wood. Only Roger of the people known is made of Adam Wood.

Franky doesn't know rocks.

-"Did u skip w7 he passed it onto iceburg and franky. Its mentioned in the manga"

What does this have to do with anything I said. Did you even read what I said properly. I said Tom passed it on to 2 guys. And Tom was 1 of 2 people who inherited it from his mentor.

Tom's mentor

Tom and person X inherit blueprints.

Tom and person X go separate ways

Tom passes it on to his 2 apprentices. Franky and iceburg

Franky and iceburg go there separate ways.

Meaning person X also could gave passed on blueprints to their own apprentices and protoges

What about this hard to understand. This is simple logic man

[pure raven]

Yes, u just made up that there were 2 people (tom and someone else) who inherited the blue prints when theres only one blueprint of pluton

as far as we know and were told.
iceberg and franky didnt get one copy each. They got a single one and franky kept it.

so why r u assuming tom and his randol unknown prtner got a copy each

[acoustic granite]

Even ignoring the fucking copy shit. Tom showed the blueprints. Franky and iceburg both read and analysed the blueprints. So the blueprints is in both of their MINDS.

Iceburg believes its dangerous and doesn't wanna build it.
Franky wants to build it

Tom's mentor showed blueprints to Tom and person X. Both analysed blueprints. Blueprints in both of their MINDS

Tom believes it's dangerous doesn't wanna build it.
Person X wants to build it

Simple shit man

How is this so hard to understand. This is literally how normal life works. Things repeat. Literally like an nba draft that comes every year

[pure raven]

lol simply seeing the blueprints doesnt mean you can literally build it and got all the plans in ur mind

iceberg even if he wanted to couldnt built pluton anymore unless he got a physical copy made of the real blueprints that were burned

only person who could built from memory is possibly franky if it has to so with his cyborg gimmick
like taking an actual photo in his mind

when tom talked about building it he had the real blueprints with him. The real physical blueprints.

[acoustic granite]

They are literally genius shipwrights. You can analyse a text book and remember it. You literally do that for school.

Why wouldn't shipwrights be able to analyse blueprints they have had for 20+ years

The same can be done for blueprints if someone's memory is good enough.

[naive wolf]

franky building pluton is fandom copium

[acoustic granite]

I didn't make shit up. You just don't seem to understand that not everything needs to be said in white and black text to be true.

This is literally like assuming frankys parents have parents. It's simple damn logic.

It doesn't need to be said that frankys parents. Have parents. That's literally just a requirement.

Franky and iceburg are evidence for a past pattern. Especially since Tom literally established the frickin pattern in the chapter. That they have bee passing it on from mentor to student since the fucking void.

Saying Tom had a mentor who taught him to build ships isn't assuming. It's fact that's how shit works.

Saying they know the blueprints. Isn't assuming. We literally saw them analyse them in the Canon.

I already told you copies or not doesn't matter. You don't need multiple copies of a text book for multiple people to have the knowledge of said textbook.

The plans have been with franky and iceburg for decades whole they were training under Tom.

The time person X saw it doesn't matter. The point is that franky and iceburg believe they are the only ones alive who have seen and have an outline of the blueprints.

When in reality that's false. Since Tom never comfirmed he was the only one to inherit them.

Franky inherited them from iceburg. For all we know tom may have inherited them from the other apprentice. Which isn't a wild assumption at all. Since its a constantly repeating cycle of apprentice and mentors with pluton

[pure raven]

ur making things up thats whats hard to understand

1. u start making up that theres a second person X when theres no proof for that. Franky and iceberg are not proof for a past pattern

2. ur also assuming that multiple copies of pluton exist when we were told that the one franky has is the only one in the entire world

3. assuming they know every single detail of a plan like this and can give it on is another baseless speculation

4. u dont even know how long person X had seen the plans because theres no proof person X exists to begin with

everything ur seeing is baseless speculation jsut a fanfic with no evidence in the manga

[pure raven]

„not everything needs to be said in the manga“ nice copium to avoid having to prove your headcanon

u probably think kid is luffys whitebeard and coby is luffys garp

u typing so much just for me to call u out on ur headcanon

stopped ur paragraph? noticed how baseless it is?
character development

[sand sail]

These comments aren't necessary.

[meager hornet]

WHAT IF Kid also has a D in his name.....and what if 3d2y was a foreshadowing of the future fight of 3Ds vs 2yonkos?

[sand sail]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[sand sail]

That's better for another manga channel

[fluid vortex]

something kind of clicked in my head a while back. SPOILERS BTW. Seeing as luffy's fruit isnt rubber but the hito hito nika model. Its centered around the idea of freedom. Freeing slaves, freeing people from oppression etc. That also means the freedom to fight any way you want. Im assuming the Hito Hito no mi: Nika Model's main ability is the power of imagination rather than just being a specific element. I've thought about it a lot and it kind of makes sense. When luffy ate the fruit he had no idea what it was so there was no instant change. Its only when shanks started shaking him and shouted at him that the fruit makes him rubber, that his legs and body parts started to stretch. Im assuming thats why his moves are so imaginative as well. Luffy's muscle strength must come from his imagination too like how his punches are as strong as pistols and things like that. You could argue that he trained with rayleigh and fighting with ace and sabo as a kid made him stronger too, however, we've never really seen him formally train his strength the way Zoro does. His training with Rayleigh was mostly the basics of haki and he's had to develop the advanced versions of these along the way. In my opinion Luffy is literally is as strong as he can imagine it. To be honest im not too sure where his awakening fits in all this, maybe someone else can fill in the gaps ive made here. For now I think its a nice little brainstorm i've had.

@ me if you wanna correct me or add something or whatever im jus curious to see what people think about this

[sand sail]

When luffy ate the fruit he had no idea what it was so there was no instant change. Its only when shanks started shaking him and shouted at him that the fruit makes him rubber, that his legs and body parts started to stretch.

His power isn't the power of imagination, he just has freedom to manipulate his body in any shape he wants. Luffy stretches before anyone ever tells him what a devil fruit is, that's how they figure out he ate the Gomu Gomu. Shanks only starts freaking out once Luffy's arm stretches across the bar, and then shouts at him about how he ate the Gomu Gomu.

[fluid vortex]

shanks doesn't pull his arm in the original anime tho. Shanks gets hit by that bandit dude then luffy gets frustrated and starts eating out of frustration then shanks shouts at him

[sand sail]

Shanks pulls his arm in the manga, how the anime adapted it doesn't really matter

[fluid vortex]

oh shit yeah i guess that whole thing is debunked then