manga-theories

[lapis kestrel]

true

[honest marten]

Im fully expecting Buggy solely because its such an Oda thing to do, call Law and Kid Luffys underlings while Buggy rises to fame

[pure raven]

Tbh the more I think on it the less I see kid and law

[lapis kestrel]

perhaps not but im still thinking shanks has been taken off somehow

[honest marten]

Hes not gonna get killed offscreen

[pure raven]

Nah he has to much to be killed off screen

[wheat skiff]

I don't think they'd rob us of that meeting finally happening. I can absolutely see something ground-breaking / tragic occurring during it but to have so many years of build up and kill off Shanks just as that's one of the few yet unfulfilled promises would be a bad move.

[bitter prism]

Only reasons I personally think Blackbeard could have the fruit of the Moon God is because of his powers to eliminate Devil Fruit powers while he is in contact with a DF user, and the fact his child self was shown with the Moon. The reason for his nullification I believe it could possibly be the moon’s gravity. Since the moon’s gravity creates the tides of the Ocean. And Seastone, based on its name, is implied to have come from the Bodies of Water in Wanokuni.
Even if it turns out he only has the Yami Yami No Mi and the other 2 types of DF I’ll be happy.

[sand sail]

It's called seastone because it treats devil fruit users the same as sea water, but Blackbeard's gravity is already because of his pure darkness. He draws in devil fruit powers because it's infinite gravity, same way Kuma can repel things even as subtle as pain and fatigue

A moon god fruit wouldn't really work with the powers he's shown, and truth be told there's no good reason to parallel Luffy in that way. Just being imprisoning darkness to Luffy's pure freedom fruit is enough to create an interesting combination, but Luffy doesn't have any powers of an actual sun god. It seems to be pure symbolism for freedom

[pure raven]

Where tf is BB going

[vestal plinth]

Apoo will continue the trend of minor antagonists joining the Buggy Pirates, just like Alvida, Mr. 3 and the unnamed lvl 6 prisoners before and I lowkey expect Perona to join them too if Moria dies or throws in with Blackbeard

[honest marten]

Probably Alabasta or Whole Cake for some Poneglyph/Pluton shenaniganry

[bitter prism]

That’s why I said I’m fine with Blackbeard just having 3 fruits of each type instead. (And also Luffy does have the powers of an actual Sun God, since Nika is exclusive to the world of One Piece. And btw not every Sun god in mythology had the powers of the Sun either. Like Apollo only took the Sun across the sky but he was an archer and a master of all the arts.)

[sand sail]

Apollo wasn't the god of the sun, Helios was.

Luffy doesn't have the powers of an actual solar deity no, he has the powers of a person who freed slaves with a rubber body and seemed to have gotten the name of Sun God from it, given the themes of the series so far

[worthy garden]

what if ryuma is actually zoro who went into past and luffy is joyboy who went into past and sanji being the great cook who found all blue in past at some certain period of time

[vapid arrow]

1053 theories: So we know how Robin was being talked about last chapter. What if Greenbull got sent to capture Robin! Let’s say he captures her and goes to Elbaf, making the StrawHats depart Wano to go to the Elbaf. Ok so since we know how Elbaf is Shanks territory there has been speculation about Shanks leaving the 4 yonkos leaving space for Kidd, Luffy and Buggy. Also Shanks is seen working with The five elders on the Reverie arc so what if Greenbull would be heading to Elbaf to meet with Shanks to give him Robin so Shanks can bring her to the five elders?

[pure raven]

A theory I just saw earlier stating that oda may have hinted who is stronger between SHANKS and MIHAWK based on the ratio the tallest between rivals by 1cm is stronger .

I believe it

[slow chasm]

Nice find!

[modest skiff]

@astral gate @vague cedar only serious posts here please

[sand sail]

Big Mom by about 6 feet, but that's not really a question for this channel #manga in the future please

[bitter prism]

Helios was the ORIGINAL god of the Sun, but was replaced by Apollo. And we still don’t know if Luffy possesses the actual powers of a Solar Deity since we’ve barely seen anything of his Zoan transformation yet. (1044-1049/1050, only 5-6 chapters from what we’ve seen)

[sand sail]

Replaced by Apollo doesn't help your point, Helios was the solar deity. Apollo taking the spot later still gave him something to do with the sun.

We know Luffy doesn't, we were told what his powers are already.

[bitter prism]

We’re told he can fight in whatever way he likes. And also, what if we already have seen a solar-esque ability, way before his fruit was revealed and awakened?

[sand sail]

Such as?

[bitter prism]

Mb, I meant Red series attacks

[wet tapir]

WB was a crew member of Rocks, he protects his kid (Black Beard) while Rocks gets killed by Roger. WB forms his crew to raise BB and a bunch of other kids. BB kills thatch. WB never pursues BB because he is his old captain’s son and either respects him too much or fear BB potential

[ruby token]

there is also a theory on how blackbeard escaped from vegapunk and how he is a failed experiment

but its probably not true..it could also be the point in the story where we learn more about vegapunk

[orchid trout]

anyone seen the theory that luffy is the og joyboy?

[analog sun]

But we see WB meeting BB in the Oden flashback, right? That was post-Rocks

[wet tapir]

BB was already part of WB's crew so this correlates with my theory

[analog sun]

While it's a stretch, it could explain how he got to study the shapes and names of all DFs

[analog sun]

Marshall D. Teach joining the Whitebeard Pirates at the age of 12 is shown.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_965

[wet tapir]

Damn

[analog sun]

fwiw, I agree overall that BB is Rocks' heir. It's just more in a spiritual way (a la One Piece) than biological

[ruby token]

yeah or possibly how he can eat 2 DF's but its a stretch for sure

[livid robin]

I feel greenbull is going to Wano to talk with Luffy about blackbeard there is a very important world event he is there to inform luffy on, possibly him being crowned the new emperor he went and said he is gonna take something from the marines before they get it. I think he got an ancient weapon and the marines need help to finish him kinda like Roger Garp vs Xebec and we get God Valley 2.0 Don’t think greenbull is there to fight we need a cliffhanger and that won't be him attacking them to steal robin then we get a month break.

[fresh cloud]

a month?

[livid robin]

Oda is taking a break for a month to prepare for final saga. Yonko saga is done after this chapter

[untold widget]

Yep greenbull coming to attack luffy in the final chapter before the saga ends I think he's here for x drake maybe he's a sword member

[hidden socket]

Oda is indeed preparing but they never said its ending next chap

[leaden edge]

Pluton is a way to get to the moon, Uranus is a weapon (laser or cannon) to destroy the red line and is on the moon. There’s no way that a civilization on the moon was introduced to have no other purpose in the story. Uranus is the god of the sky. Maybe it has something to do with either the moon/sky islands or focuses the energy of the sun and that’s why luffys devil fruit is the “Sun God Nika.” Feel free to give critique or add onto this theory but for Luffy to be the “sun god” and Uranus is the God of the sky is a big coincidence

In conclusion: Moon Piece 🚀

[meager bear]

enel be like

[wet comet]

https://youtu.be/8vWDu4N7wrA

[wet comet]

This theory video might be right

[gray creek]

What is it

[wet comet]

It's a theory that one of the gorosei might be a traitor and a good guy

Just watch it

[night lava]

U think buggy wouldve became a monster if he joined shanks or would shanks remain weak in the presence of buggy 🤔

[pure raven]

I wonder what will happen with Big Mom and Kaido Devil Fruits, I would like nami would eat Big mom's one, would be something new since never a strawhat has eaten a fruit

[honest marten]

Considering Zeus would be fucking dead otherwise I could get on board with this

If any SH had Kaidos Id want the Wado Ichimonji to eat it and become a dragon sword

[pure raven]

D: If Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, and Franky were to become ability users, then what kind of fruit do you think they would have eaten? -P.N. 420-land
O: I see, that's quite a fun question~. Hmmm… what I would like to see is… Zoro: Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu (Fish Fish Fruit, Mythical Type Model: Seiryuu)....
Zoro: I'd want the sword to turn into a dragon rather than Zoro. I think that would be insanely cool.

This is from sbs 98. maybe zoro will have kaidos devil fruit be put in enma or something by the tengu guy since he knows how to give objects devil fruit powers

[honest marten]

If Sanji isnt gonna get a DF can he at least get some better haki and unlock Conquerors though

While I dont think Yamato is gonna replace him in the monster trio, theres no way she isnt stronger as of rn

[pure raven]

I was thinking on that too!! That would be very boring to see the big dragon again on another enemy and fight again against it

[pure raven]

Yamato is after Luffy on strength wise right now, then Zoro and then Sanji, don't forget that Sanji is a cook, he doesn't have any goal like Zoro of become strong, i think oda just power ups him to keep the competition with Zoro, but he is not interested on become stronger or is destinated to it

i have no idea where jimbei stands in terms of power tbh

[honest marten]

The order is always gonna be
Luffy vs strongest
Zoro vs 2nd strongest
Sanji vs 3rd strongest

Realistically he needs some more power ups especially in the haki department to not be completely outshined by Yamato and Zoro, the latter we at least know is gonna have to tame Enma, unlock Black blades and fully master his conquerors haki

As much as I love Sanji, hes falling behind in strength

[pure raven]

And I think it will fall behind, think like this

• Luffy - Roger
• Zoro - rayleigh
• Yamato - Oden

[honest marten]

I would say as of Wano
Luffy, Yamato, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei

And end of story
Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Yamato, Jimbei

[pure raven]

sanji is the lame scopper gaban

ironically he was pretty rude to oden when he first joined which is exactly the opposite of sanji with yamato

😂

[worthy garden]

gabban-sanji

gabban was also taking care of food materials in roger's ship so i mean it resembles sanji uk what i mean

[quartz smelt]

Whats greenbull df power?

[honest marten]

Looks like plants
Most likely a plant logia but something like an Ent mythical zoan could be cool

[pallid kite]

!rules

[sinful wedge]

Sure

[proud tree]

Theory on the map of the grand line:
In chapter 9 Nami told she has a map of the grand line, that was originally in Buggys possession. Who could create such a map besides Gol D Roger (assuming its a complete map), the only person who completed the journey since 800 years?

This is highly likely since we already know Buggys connection to Roger.

Is it possible the original location of God Valley is marked on this older map? Since Punk Hazard has no magnetic field, it should be only be possible to locate it using this map (or get to it by coincidence like the straw hats).

Since Buggy had the map since his younger years (Gol D Rogers final trip), and studied it, he should be able to completely navigate the grand line with his mercenaries and even reach Loadstar island (and islands without a magnetic field) without much problems. The Value of such a map in the age of the log-pose eludes me tho (besides locating some islands like Punk Hazard, without a magnetic field ... or islands that where "erased" like God Valley).

Since Buggy knows about the true value of treasure maps (chapter 19) it should be assumed he knows how to navigate according to such a map.

Later this map fell in the hand of the straw hat pirates (and Luffy forgot the treasure in Orange town ) and its use was not mentioned in the New World again, as far as I know, so did Luffy just forget it?
But eiter way ... the title "Map of the grand line" suggest its widely underestimated importance.

[formal bridge]

bro buggy stole it from morgan remember when she was looking in the marine base

[proud tree]

Sorry I dont remember this 😅 Is this anime only or also in the Manga?

[royal lark]

I think map of it is not that rare, it prob shows islands up to a certain point, and its hard to navigate since there is no compass

[manic lichen]

i have a solid theory,
what if Dragon is Xebec, now this might seem like an old idea, but lets just say that Dragon had this new God fruit that took control over his body completely and made him do evil things, he was at this point of time still known as Xebec. After being defeated by Garp and Roger, Xebec returned into his original self and his fruit became less dominant over him. Over the years he and Garp came to an agreement that Rocks D Xebec will change his name to Monkey D dragon and marry Garp's daughter (possibly). Although, after Roger's death, he again became unable to control his powers and come to a conclusion that he will put a seal on himself in order to control his powers. And thus left Luffy with Garp so that if he ever became berserk, he would not harm Luffy.
Now as for the God valley incident. We know that there are four God Fruits, one for the Sun God, one for the Rain god, one for the Buddha and one for the Forest God. Now we do not know if all gods were on the same sides in the void century. It might be that The Rain god was the enemy of Joyboy aka The Sun God. And The Rain God might be the one who built the World Gov and left it in the hands of Imu until he came back. After Xebec ate the Rain God fruit, he decided to go to the God valley and destroy it (possible because that was where the God fruits were) before somebody ate the Hito Hito no mi: model Nika. And that might be the reason why Roger came to interfere in his plan, along with the Marines who simply were unaware of the entire situation but came prepared because Sengoku became aware of it.

[pure raven]

As cool as that sounds there’s no basis to ever think that

And like garp and Roger prob killed him or he would be dead Rn bc of age

[manic lichen]

how tho, Garp never called Dragon his son, Dragon became the most dangerous criminal, after Sabo being announced dead everyone is shocked and scared of the name Rocks D Xebec again, Dragon was there at Rogers death without his tattoo, Xebec's pictures always seemed as though his hair were floating in the air.

[pure raven]

Dragon has no relation to xebec at all? And they don’t even share hair styles its pretty different.

[proud tree]

yeah but the map gold roger created must be more valuable than other incomplete maps, and Buggy or Shanks are possible inheritors of such a map

[manic lichen]

for Dragon to be Luffy's father, he must be over 50.
They do share the same facial structure and hairstyle

[pure raven]

Xebec was an adult when he was at god valley he would have been super super old when Luffy was born

[proud tree]

yeah Dragon was 16 years old when God Valley happened ... not his prime

[pure raven]

Like most of that you’ve said points to maybe he isn’t garps son which fine Ig but the rest idk

[sand sail]

Luffy is only 19 years old, Dragon could've been in his early 40's or late 30's and it would've been fine.

[manic lichen]

there was no mention of that either, he could have been of any age

[sand sail]

Dragon is Garp's son, it was confirmed he was born to Garp in the vivre cards

[manic lichen]

It was never stated to be the case, it is more likely to be a marriage relationship

[sand sail]

It's not really more likely, no. There's no reason to think Dragon isn't Garp's biological son when the cards state he was born to Garp 55 years ago

[manic lichen]

what did this happen?

[sand sail]

In the Vivre Cards

[manic lichen]

what vivre cards? What chapter?

[sand sail]

The databooks?

[manic lichen]

Its written that his age is 55, not his vivre card creation date

[pure raven]

You think teenage xebec is leading a pirate of that caliber

That some teenager is smart enough to almsot destroy the world and almost what Roger and garp?

[sand sail]

#manga message

[manic lichen]

i mean, if he has a god fruit, then............

[pure raven]

How do you he has a fruit? What gave you this indication? And if anything why wouldn’t he have the yami or just no fruit?

[sand sail]

Having a god fruit isn't relevant, it doesn't suddenly change their level of intellect or ability to formulate a plan. Luffy having one hasn't changed him at all, and the awakening only made him giddier about things

[manic lichen]

he has a fruit because whenever he appears he just appears out of thin air and nobody notices him, he always has stormy air and rain with him, his first appearance had severe and fast storms also remarked as "an exceptional case" even though Loguetown was not in the Grand Line therefore not subjected to sudden change of weathers.

[pure raven]

No I’m saying how you know xebec has a fruit.

[sand sail]

The storm at Loguetown was brewing from the moment they stepped into the town, it wasn't a sudden thing. Dragon's only ever "appeared out of thin air" once in the series, when rescuing Sabo at Goa

[manic lichen]

I might be wrong now, its just a random theory, so.....

[fathom matrix]

Wano might be the split off from everyone

Like, we'll see Law again, but more so the final arc.

But he's been a main member of the cast for a long time now, and they set out to take out Kaido, with the bonus of big mom

SOOOOOOOO, their next adventure and down time could be crew only

[pure raven]

Tbh the only ppl I see leaving are kid and the scabbards. Law has a sharing goal with the sh again

[maiden lynx]

I had a thought, what is Blackbeard becomes King of the Pirates before Luffy? Luffy will still become king mind you, but he will have to beat Blackbeard for that title first.

[hearty valley]

Blackbeard, whereabouts the last time we saw him, was about recruiting the expelled warlords Boa, Weevil, Mihawk and Buggy. This would make sense if looking at him saying to 'grab sth before the Marine get it'.
While the accident at Arabasta must be connected to the Levely Accident, that probably has sth to do with Cobra/Vivi and indirectly Im (copying this here)

[lost hornet]

LOL Goda is one funny mf

[woeful cosmos]

Buggy d god

[umbral creek]

uranus is all devil fruits. not the origin point of devil fruits, not the combination of multiple devil fruits it is all devil fruits. Blackbeard is trying to get his hands on devil fruits to recreate uranus, a feat only possible with the yami-yami no mi.

[woeful cosmos]

guys anyone think about how shanks buggy teach and luffy not so diffrent?

This 4 character have power of make friends always

[umbral creek]

building on this, all devil fruits work by affecting the lineage factor of their consumer, the clause that no two devil fruits can exist in the same user and that sea water weakens them was an inherant design decision by their makers to allow for them to control their army of super soldiers. the only exception to either clause being Poseidon and whatever the fuck Teach is.

[woeful cosmos]

I think 3 personality theory is true

[umbral creek]

building onto this even further. almost all races in the one piece world were once only a handful of races, probably just moon people and normal humans(possibly fishmen). but the contionous experiments by the ancient kingdom to crack the lineage factor lead to the creation of the different races, which is why all races can interbreed

[steady prism]

Are you assuming that Poseidon’s ancient power is a df ability?

[umbral creek]

im assuming it works on the same science as devil fruits. not that it is a devil fruit.

[bitter prism]

I’m REALLY late, but Fire Generation using the red series attacks. (Hot enough to continue burning underwater and even damage Kaido a bit)

[uneven coyote]

What do u guys think the bounties will be?!

[pure raven]

Idk if this is really a theory but
Luffy: 2.9 bill-3.7
Kid and law: high 1 billion
Sanji and zoro:1.4-1.5 billion (both are tied)
Yamato: 500-700 million
Jinbei: 500-600 million
Robin:400-500 million
Nami: low 300 million
Freaky: also low 300
Usopp: 300 million flat
Brook: 100-200 million
Chopper: 400

[uneven coyote]

400 xD

[pure raven]

Yea he’s down bad 💀

[autumn storm]

kid and law gotta be like 2 billion atleast with the fact they dropped big mom

[void venture]

What chapter is big mom defeated in

[lunar pecan]

Honestly a normal human is like 100 beli so chopper smokin us.

[uneven coyote]

@lunar pecan 100 Beli is the price of a cabbage 🥬 not a human 😂😂

[clever pebble]

400
kid law sanji zoro looks right, yamato is a bit low

[lunar pecan]

Bounty wise

[sand sail]

Guys, this isn't the channel for bounty chat

Go ahead and take it to one of the main manga channels please

[void venture]

Is it possible that shanks knew the significance of the gum gum fruit as far back as romance dawn?

Ignoring the idea that oda didn't begin writing the story with haki in mind, if shanks understood that luffy ate the fruit of joyboy he would definitely have traded an arm for luffy's life in the east blue. Saving luffy after the gum gum fruit is consumed is definitely a lot simpler than trying to find the fruit again following luffy's demise.

[sand sail]

He traded an arm for Luffy's life because Luffy's life was on the line

I don't think anyone should dig any deeper into it than that honestly

[void venture]

yeah imagining shanks with ulterior motives and grand designs for the world does undermine his character of being just a kick ass pirate i supose

[pure raven]

he stole it from whos who probably for a legitimate reason. Shanks isn't the kind of guy to pick a huge fight with the government for absolutely no reason

[pure raven]

he said he made a bet on the new Era and he definitely didn't have to get his arm ripped off to save luffys life

[sand sail]

He definitely did get his arm ripped off to save Luffy

[modest skiff]

This page disproves evil shanks 100%

[pure raven]

yeah I saw that earlier today and I thought the same

[sand sail]

Shanks doesn't need some ulterior motive to wanting to save a drowning child's life from being eaten by a sea monster

It was a kid he'd gotten to know for a year, it's perfectly reasonable to take all of that at face value

[pure raven]

I agree tho letting his arm get eaten off was probably something he could've avoided

[void venture]

I don't think anybody said shanks was evil. Just calculating. 4D chess stuff

[sand sail]

But what's the value of that calculation? Even after saving Luffy he tells him he shouldn't be a pirate

[void venture]

if you suppose shanks understands that awakening the fruit is reawakening joyboy... theres an immense value to the calculation! People in this discord are trying to guess right now the new estimation of the value of that calculation when luffys bounty rises in a week

[modest skiff]

Without any indication of that, it all feels like baseless speculation rather than a developed theory. All we know is that Shanks stole the fruit.

[void venture]

oh okay so the channel is only for theories people can defend with sources and less so speculation

[modest skiff]

Once you say “what if Shanks stole the fruit because it’s the Joyboy fruit”, there just isn’t anything that comes after that

That’s the intention, yeah

[void venture]

yeah that specifically is a tough theory to form right now because its a question of shanks character... which very little is given to us. He doesn't come into every arc and start dialoguing about the world or anything

[pastel smelt]

That's fair. I'll allow it. That's a perfectly good point, and whilst Shanks motives may have been to save luffy, I don't think anyone can prove that was the only motive. Sure, he cares about luffy and would probably risk his life to save him even if he didn't eat the gum gum fruit - but that's doesn't mean that an incling of Shanks figured "Its luffy.....AND he haa significant fruit we went through a lot of trouble to steal.

I don't think it has to be 50/50 "it's Luffy, versus its Nika". It could even be 95/5 - just something almost in the back of Shanks'mind

The only downside to that theory is that it doesn't do much else as far as adding anything. I guess you can figure that Shanks already knew the significance (or something) with that fruit, or else why steal it in the first place.

Thinking of it that way, it can also be viewed as "it's Luffy.....AND he ate something significant that I stole."

It doesn't have to be that he knew it was the mythical zoan fruit, Nika

[grim oyster]

greenbull doesnt have a df, his plant power/ not eating is from his race. which is big moms 3rd race she doesnt have. (i think him not eating is photosynthesis)

[void venture]

So a theory also has to add something then? Like it fuels a prediction into chapters in the future?

[royal axle]

Luffy kid and law have same bounties

[modest skiff]

You're asking people to prove a negative. That's no bueno. The burden of proof lies on the person saying something is true.

Also, zero bounty discussion in this channel please. We consider that speculation which goes in #manga

[royal axle]

mb

[modest skiff]

Don't worry about it. Its my job to help people discuss things in the right place. The name of the channel makes people discuss bounties here at least 10x per day. But it is more of a topic for the other channels

[rancid vine]

maybe rocks was a hito hito no mi model nika user. Look at his hair and compare it to gear 5.
It would also further explain the reason why he was wiped from existance

[cinder charm]

What if buggy's awakening can like cut anything in half type shi

[glossy bison]

Supposedly chapter 1053 is the last chapter for the whole saga, next saga being the very last for one piece.
With that in mind I’d like to purpose the craziest theory of all:

THE ONE PIECE
IS REAL

[primal cargo]

You forgot to post ?

[glossy bison]

What no that is my post
That’s all it is, a whitebeard reference

[frosty pasture]

Law can already do that so i dont think it would be that simple

any idea why shanks hasnt tried proactively to reach laugh tale?

[fathom matrix]

I still think Big Mom and Kaido got kicked out of wano via that explosion.

And we're gonna see where they both are

[pastel smelt]

Saying something is true is one thing - but I'm merely speculating based on previous facts. His theory cannot be proven true with the little information we have.

Wasn't really asking anyone to prove anything

[lyric shuttle]

one piece might require luffy and he knows?

[honest marten]

I mean maybe he has

[modest skiff]

Questions regarding matchups or power scaling go in #manga @teal ivy

[harsh shoal]

hello people, I was wondering where do you think Robin is since she hasn't appeared in the latest chapter?

[modest skiff]

Probably off glyph hunting

[grizzled estuary]

a quick theory that got into my head, luffy will learn about his fruit nika in laugh tale because when he awakened most of the time he kept on laughing and laughing, and when roger found the one piece he started laughing so maybe they connect to something

[hot heart]

i doubt it. otherwise, the powerful older characters would notice the significance of the fruit earlier on, and more importantly the WG would take Luffy more seriously from the get go

Also, Shanks is the kind of character that would regret it if he chose an arm over the life of a kid he's grown to like like Luffy. I agree that he knows more about the fruit than it appears, but that would be a minor thing for him versus him just wanting to save Luffy.

Although given his whole 'Bet it on a new era' convo he had with Whitebeard it did matter a little for sure

[sand sail]

This can't actually be the case

Even if there were previous users of the fruit, it's been 800 years since there's been an actual Nika awakening.

[sand sail]

This seemed, to me, to be a clear retroactive reasoning for him. He didn't think about the new age when he saved Luffy, he just thought about saving a drowning child from a sea monster. It's was just worth it for him, and he had hopes for where Luffy would go after.

[hot heart]

i'd agree with that 90% given my read of his character. just that 10% is about how what if he consider's his role important for the 'greater good'. he had to remain 'strong' to perform some function in the future told to him by Roger. it is imaginable that under such circumstances he'd have more of an internal struggle

[sand sail]

There was no struggle at all, no. That's the point of his character, Shanks wouldn't have hesitated no matter what to jump in and save a drowning friend, even if it cost life and limb

Luffy also grew that same mentality

To suggest an internal struggle is basically to suggest Shanks somehow held something above the life of this kid he'd grown close to for a year, which is an idea I don't think One Piece would ever support for someone who isn't outright a villain or entirely cold hearted. Shanks is neither of those things

[hot heart]

whole point of trolley problem is that ethics is complicated. in that simple scenario of course Shanks would always risk it all to save Luffy, but imagine if Ace had ate the fruit, and Luffy was just an 'ordinary' kid. Imagine if Roger had told him to protect Ace while Ace grew, or gave Shanks some other 'big task' that requires strength to perform in the future. Again I can see 90% that Shanks would still do it, but it's nothing crazy to suggest that there'd be a small 10% internal struggle because he had to weigh those options. that's the only reason i'm saying 10%. We don't know what Shanks has to worry about right now.

[sand sail]

That's the thing about characters will strong wills in One Piece, it's never an internal struggle about things like that. This isn't the trolley problem, it's almost instinctual; Shanks would have always, always saved Luffy. Characters in One Piece have depth, but that kind of conviction isn't one that's met with a struggle for the most part.

If Ace had the fruit and Luffy were an ordinary kid, assuming somehow Shanks knew everything behind that, he's not going to hesitate to jump in and save Luffy at all still

Losing one arm wouldn't necessarily come with Shanks thinking he'd lose strength, it's not like he thought about retiring after. He took the injury in stride and went on to become one of the most powerful, influential people on the planet

[hot heart]

given the whole new dawn of the world stuff, and how seriously all the major characters take it seriously, it's not convoluted to say that there is a lot at stake. Shanks wasn't necessarily just saving a kid, he could as he said, be betting on Luffy by sacrificing his arm

[sand sail]

Shanks wasn't necessarily just saving a kid,

No, that's really all it comes down to. Especially given we're talking about chapter 1, where the whole New World stuff wasn't in play

Sure, there's a lot at stake, but Shanks's motivations are a lot simpler when it comes to people he cares about. Luffy was basically his little brother from back then, there would never be any kind of hesitancy to save his life, no matter the cost. That's something luffy even gets from Shanks, he was willing to die for a total stranger he'd just met hours after meeting them at one point.

[hot heart]

we don't know what role Shanks considers himself to be playing. again, Roger has told him some things only Shanks knows. We know there's a lot of fate and predictive stuff at play. I'm just not discounting the idea that Luffy having eaten the fruit made it easier for Shanks in making his decision, hence the 10%. Of course we're talking hypotheticals so I'll stop here. I'm saying I mostly agree with you, just saying 5% it could be more complex. I agree with the strong willed character making firm decisions too.

[sand sail]

Yeh, I'm saying that the strength and appeal of his character comes from there being no struggle at all in a decision like that. Roger may have told him something important, but I have no doubt he'd have died right there to save Luffy if Luffy had never even seen the Gomu Gomu if it came down to it. I know other series like to portray that kind of moral dilemma, One Piece is generally the exact opposite in those kinds of situations

[hot heart]

i agree that'd he'd save Luffy, and when I speak of 'moral dilemma', I'm imagining an incredibly short and minor one - even if Ace had eaten the fruit and so on and so on, the 'wall' that would have blocked Shanks actions would be incredibly fragile. Your argument does have merit that this series is different to others.

[peak plover]

The blackbeard pirates could be the modern day counterpart to the rocks pirates I noticed this with kaido(blue) and big moms(pink) designs being similar to devon(blue) and pizarros(pink) design.

[pure raven]

Nah I don’t think so bb jsut doesn’t have access to those same ppl

[lucid parrot]

uranus is an air type devil fruit

[undone marten]

I guess Buggys df is very op if its awakend, like he can Split somebody like he does it with himself

[formal marsh]

That's wat Law does in normal mode. If at least he could split atoms...

[stark monolith]

Before the war arc mihawk and zoro will duel, and after mihawk lost he will tell zoro a last lesson, and that is the truth about the devils. He will probably also use these powers during the duel that he has held back, (The reason he is so strongly connected to Christianity is because he is trying to suppress the devil inside of him) It's very likely that the double ringed eyes "hawkeyes" are connected to devils and luffy got hawkeyes during gear 5 and also a strong influence from his devil fruit that makes him laugh. What zoro will go from there is unknown and what he will learn is unknown but it will play a big role in the fight since there are a few hawkeyed characters for example im, luffy and big mom.

[gleaming coyote]

We know nothing about it.

[lime pasture]

I think its just cool looking eyes a little art embellishment

[stark monolith]

Big mom and cavendish loses their minds when they turn their eyes to hawkeyes

[rough portal]

before luffy finds the one piece wouldnt he have to beat Blackbeard he is the last enemy standing in his way to reach Raftel

[bitter prism]

One of the Gorosei is going to betray the WG and help the Straw Hats defeat Imu. The reason for this is because the Gorosei are all based off of leaders with controversy around their name, with only one of them not having any. And that, is the inspiration for this member of the Gorosei.

There’s also a theory that the guy from Skypiea in the armor who looks similar to this guy was also on the Gorosei but left after gaining a conscience, and that’s why the blonde elder doesn’t look very…elderly.

[pure raven]

I’ve seen this theory before idk if it’ll be true but I think it’s a neat little thing if it does happen

Tbh I think it’s more likely that imu betrays them then then reverse but who knows for sure

[pure raven]

I also thought about one of the gorosei being a spy, and this guy was the first that came into my mind lol, it would be cool

[modest skiff]

From the wiki:

Upon contact with a Devil Fruit user, Seastone will drain the Devil Fruit user of their stamina and nullify their powers. Coming into contact with Seastone has the same effect on a Devil Fruit user as if they fell into the sea, minus the risk of drowning. This weakening effect only works upon direct and constant physical contact with the Devil Fruit user in question, the effect stops immediately once the Devil Fruit user is no longer in contact with the substance.[7]

This leaves me to believe Yamato did not have cuffs on her entire life and she was able to master her transformation prior to being put in cuffs. This may imply mastering her transformation made it possible she could escape.

[naive spoke]

Does anyone have Good theories about who big news morgan is. Out of nowhere i thought about IT Being garp but IT doesnt make sense

[winter atlas]

It just came to my mind, that this say that DF nullify powers...but luffy was still rubber in water. How does that work

[slender oak]

Big News Morgan is just a normal guy who at a Zoan fruit

[terse sage]

yeah, didnt he eat some like a seagull fruit or something?

[slender oak]

Ye he did

[terse sage]

bro imagine getting the a seagull smile and everyone else gets like a rhino or a tiger

[naive spoke]

I thought he was someone we already know

[terse sage]

nahh, he's just a news reporter, but I believe he doesn't work for the world gpvernment

[craggy schooner]

In 1053 green bull came to wano to kill luffy and i am sure he will fight one of the straw hats and he will sure be defeated and coby will become admiral

[civic trout]

Imagine this is buggy's awakening. Its fan made I'm pretty sure. Pictures in order are the first picture, last picture and the second picture (mixed it up by accident mb)

[deft iris]

Pirates win the next war? Or marine 🤔

[deft iris]

Powers are nullified so not completely stopped but over time could have less effect depending

[lucid parrot]

I have an interesting theory about uranus
Ploton resembles earth
Poseidon resembles sea
Uranus must resemble air
The only thing I can think is an air type devil fruit
Whitebeard devil fruit usually cracks quakes and all and have the power to destory world just like ancient weapons
Also Imu-sama had bb's wanted poster with himself

[viscid brook]

i think laugh tale is literally all of luffy's adventure in an poneglyph or something

you can change the pronunciation of luffy's name and it'd turn to laughy but i think that's just coincidence tbh

[frosty pasture]

So crocodile is luffys mom confirmed?

[formal marsh]

I like this theory, but what are the odds of someone deserting the gorosei and not being assassinated ? And that old man in skypiea didn't look strong enough to hold against a WG assassin. This being said, maybe he found a way to reach the sky island before they could send someone.

[deft crow]

enel had a ship that could fly

maybe something similar could resemble air

[soft urchin]

any theories on Urouge? He's the last of the worst generation we need to see

[dusk mirage]

Yoooo, if Kaido passed away in the magma this might be legit Luffy’s first kill!

Even if the punch wasn’t the actual death blow, still counts technically

[cyan berry]

i highly doubt luffy's completely clean

first kill against a major villain

but luffy has indirectly killed people numerous times

[sand sail]

Truth be told, this would also be an indirect kill

Kaido was alive when Luffy finished punching him

[cursive briar]

Random thought on the Sabo situation. I don’t think sabo is captured based on Ivankov words. Iva said something along the lines of ‘That’s sabo..!! it’s impossible!!’. The revos all know they are fighting the riskiest battle by heading to marijois, so it’s not something ‘impossible’ that sabo gets captured or killed. Dragon even asked for a fact check. I’m guessing either Sabo’s real identity is revealed and it’s unexpected (we don’t even know his last name and he looks nothing like outlook and his mom) or either that he did a 180 degree betrayal

Sabo getting captured or killed would have produced a different kind of reaction like ‘Fuck.. he failed. We should have been patient!!’ or ‘We need to save him’ or something else along the lines. Just my 2 cents

[boreal perch]

I like that

[robust gale]

Not enough ppl are talking about how amazing this looks and it’s actually something I can see happening

[boreal perch]

Those fan panels look amazing 😂

[civic trout]

Exactly!

[bitter prism]

It’s more like he faked his death and then made his escape.

[drifting rock]

here are no spoilers right?

[neon needle]

didn’t he kill those goons in the mansion when they were laughing at wasting food

[stark path]

Yeah that's the most surprising to me as well, god knows what happened at reverie

[tranquil estuary]

anyone have any cool theories in regards to tequila wolf?

I thing its wayyy more important then we give it credit. A bridge across the whole world build by generations of slaves

[sturdy pollen]

bridge to raftel maybe

[stark path]

Oh and btw there's also a possibility of Sabo saving Vivi but WG framed it as kidnapping hence the fact check reactions

[paper raft]

Okay are we ever told how long ago the road poneglyph was taken from fishman island, cuz i just came up with a theory but it hinges on that

[stark path]

Nobody knows that, but it was there during Roger's voyage so I'd assume Kuma has something to do with it

I'd say it would be the exact time Kuma became a warlord, I'm gonna guess 10-12 years ago

[tranquil estuary]

Kuma, or someone with his fruit? We know he was a tyrant but not much else. His fruit is always special imo.

[paper raft]

I could totally see it having something to do with Kuma

[fair jay]

What?

[stark path]

I'm going by the logic of no one sane would pull a gigantic poneglyph and underwater especially since DF powers do not work and those wouldnt even fit in a galleon ship, so Kuma is the one that fits the bill. He can teleport people all over the world, I'm certain he can move objects too

That may have been one of the prerequisites of becoming a warlord? But I highly doubt that a member of revolutionary army would willingly give them a red poneglyph, by them I mean WG

[sand sail]

Jimbei did this very thing

Kuma became a warlord against his will

[fair jay]

Where did it say that?

[sand sail]

That much may not have been said, but we do know he's in his current situation because he was a king who defied the Celestial Dragons

He was never a pirate to start, it seems

[stark path]

May be the case, but I'm certain Dragon gave him a mission to infiltrate WG and becoming a warlord is the easiest feat, we do not know the exact detail of his mission but Dragon knows what's happened to him

[fair jay]

Interesting.

[stark path]

What I'm certain of is that Dragon knows all that's happened to him, even so Kuma is probably the character that is shrouded in more mysteries that I can count, even more so than Shanks and possibly even BB

And I do have a hunch that he's still alive even though he's undergone full cyborgfication. If he was dead the DF he possesses would manifest somewhere but the fact that he was wielding it still at Marineford kinda gives me a hunch that he's still alive

[solemn oyster]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LncKb_yQdIQ5KGWjdZEjLQXJhgnynRzVGQHFov2npz4/edit?usp=sharing A theory for 1053 about why Buggy is Yonko

[desert hatch]

momo pluton?

[quartz gust]

Bug D. Clown?!

[solemn oyster]

Pluton is a ship

[desert hatch]

there coulda been a ship to counter the actual pluton, like what artur said

i dont see how pluton would be in wano and kaido not find it otherwise, and it makes sense cuz shiki said roger had an ancient weapon and roger had momo and oden on his ship

just throwing it out there, i honestly thought most people were gonna think that

[hot heart]

i don't agree with all of it, but i defo agree that Buggy's a Yonko for a reason and the suggestion that it could be related to him finding Captain John's treasure or whatever, something that's been mentioned countless times by him so it stands out (ODa wouldn't do that sort of thing randomly). Makes a lotta sense basically

[solemn oyster]

well, this is mostly just speculation, but i believe Buggy mustve done something that serves as trigger.

[lyric berry]

ayy @modest skiff your rtheory about tengu was right haha

[modest skiff]

Not my theory, but I did believe it.

Also I'd like to formally apologize to everyone who said Buggy would be an emperor. You are based and I suck.

[lyric berry]

oh my mistake- i think you showed it to me so i thought it was yours. i also cant believe the volume 25 prophecy was correct

[desert hatch]

ye that shit made sense right off the rip. especially the voice actors being the same, crazy that we got confirmation tho

[solid grove]

Ok I know this is a drag but the admiral kinda seems related to Zoro

[pure raven]

buffy becomes pirate king

[jovial anvil]

agreed

[onyx obsidian]

Aight, hear me out.

While the guys were at Punk Hazard, Dressrosa, Zou, WCI and Wano, Buggu actually learned how to use haki (this isn’t a weird concept, he’s know what Haki is and probably picked up a few things about it from Roger, Rayleigh, Oden etc.).

There’s also a chance that he ofcourse awakened his fruit and can use a sword to easily chop people like law can with his DF.

If he learned how to use Haki, and mastered his ability, we’re taking about a swordsman who can cut basically anything and can’t be cutten, even by mihawk as shown in the war of the best.

Therefore, he has every right to be called a Yonko in my opinion.

[fringe elm]

what if blackbeard is related to ussop

[fiery cliff]

Gotta see how tough he is to fight in a fair matchup, but still he’s yonko for other reasons. He got territories, he got masses, he got charisma, he was on roger’s ship, was brother in arms with shanks and so many other reasons. Plus the certain pirate shanks was talking about to gorosei could literally just be him

It is indeed possible that he learned new skills as well tho

[onyx obsidian]

That aswell, buggy has leveled up, people really forgot there was a 2 year timeskip where buggy could’ve improved a LOT.

[west saffron]

So if anyone has seen me rant about Momo being an ancient weapon, specifically pluton, pls let me be hype rn

[fiery cliff]

Wasn’t pluton supposed to be something buildable? I really don’t think pluton is a person

[onyx obsidian]

Yea, how/why would momo be an ancient weapon?

[forest heath]

The thing is Buggy was damn near shitting his pants when he saw that Marine battleship headed his way after the Shichibukai systems was abolished lol. Someone posted a theory in here earlier about how Buggy could've become a Yonko. I think it just boils down what it pretty much what it has always boiled down for Buggy – being at the right place at the right time.

[modest skiff]

!theories

[lone hedge]

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[pure raven]

Ahh, apologies

[onyx obsidian]

Yeah that’s true, after all, we don’t know what buggy did to deserve the title, we may be surprised, we may not be, we’ll see

[west saffron]

Aight, momo at the very least is an ancient weapon, how he commands zunesha is WAY too similar to how shirahoshi commands the sea kings. Both zunesha and the sea kings are :
Beasts that communicate only in the voice of all things, that are commanded by royalty important to the ancient kingdom and the void century.
I only think that momo is pluton instead of uranus because it wouldnt fit very well for an elephant to be the sky god IMO. I think this only works if the "other" pluton, not the blueprints (as those are a countermeasure to pluton, not the actual thing), is not actually a ship.
I might just be plain wrong about Momo being pluton specifically, as it is the weakest part of the theory, but i think at the very least Momo is an ancient weapon.

[sand grotto]

but for Momo being a ancient weapon, he doesnt needed to be ancient? in the flashback of Oden we saw he born on the Whitebeard ship

[west saffron]

no, shirahoshi was born not that long ago, she is poseidon. however, zunesha is ancient.

[onyx obsidian]

Luffy, Oden and roger also heard Zunesha, and let’s be fair, momo didn’t do anything special at Zou, he just screamed really loud. I think that doesn’t have anything to do with royalty.

[sand grotto]

you have a point

[west saffron]

No, the ability to hear the voice of all things is just some ability we dont know the source of.
but the ability to command zunesha is unique to momo.

[onyx obsidian]

Because he is the only one who tried it right?

[fiery cliff]

I mean, I don’t think momo is but what else (useful) could it really be? I doubt luffy would pick up a ship just because it’s an ancient weapon. At this point it has to be something relevant for luffy in a possible war, so on one hand yeah momo could be but on the other hand kinda makes no sense…

Btw if zunesha was old joyboy’s mate I really doubt luffy won’t be able to speak to it

[west saffron]

because zunesha was the one who asked specifically momo. I dont think he would listen to anybody else and we have no reason to believe he would.
However, Momo commanded zunesha by screaming just like shirahoshi has always commanded the sea kings by screaming. In onigashima momo gained the ability to actively use the voice of all things but before that it was EXACTLY like shirahoshi

[onyx obsidian]

I agree, there’s an immense lack of evidence for this

[frail compass]

YO did anyone see enels tomoe drums in the second last page of the new chpater

[onyx obsidian]

He asked permission to anyone who could hear him, that includes luffy, who also can scream

[west saffron]

I dont think thats true? He keeps calling to momo specifically in onigashima and conversing and taking commands from only momo.

[fickle fractal]

I think that the CP0 agent named "Guernica" could be working to subtly undermine the World Government. 1st, this is the first CP0 agent to be named so far, and this name happens to be a prominent anti-fascist/anti-authoritarian symbol. 2nd. Guernica took the photo of G5 Luffy and did not check with the Gorosei before, presumably, directly sending it to Morgans. It's not the most substantiated, but it is suspicious

[onyx obsidian]

Oh okay, I didn’t know about that haha my bad sorry, but I think at zou he was just calling for someone who understands him, not momo in general

[west saffron]

Momo, the only other person in the series who can command a MASSIVE ANCIENT ANIMAL who uses the VOICE OF ALL THINGS....
It seems a little too... coincidence to me. its also confirmed that zunesha was/is a species, maybe was or is not unique, maybe there used to be a legion of them just like the sea kings

[vernal belfry]

2nd page
2nd panel
Who is the guy reading the news with the giant portrait of sabo in the background? Is he a revolutionary?

the guy in the background is celebrating so i doubt its a memorial

[west saffron]

!theories seems better for manga-serious

[lone hedge]

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[copper patio]

I think buggy has awakened a god fruit like luffy's, after all shanks was the reason buggy ate his fruit. Maybe shanks is the best hunter of all god fruits.

[lone hedge]

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[fiery cliff]

This momo thing is ok but, would oda make the same kind of ancient weapon twice? Like shirahoshi has the ability and ok shes 100% Poseidon, but if momo is pluton, then Uranos should be someone like them? Nah that doesn’t make too much sense to me

[west saffron]

Momo could be uranus, I honestly dont know between the two, but i coulds see two of them commanding beasts and one of them being a ship. I think it would be the perfect subversion. OH BTW THE KID WE'VE KNOWN FOR STUPID AMOUNTS OF TIME IS AN ANCIENT WEAPON TOO

[onyx obsidian]

I think a random guy in another county, Wano doesn’t have mountains like those in the background

[flint dragon]

bumping my theory from a while back

[fiery cliff]

Heh, seems forced still, how would you pretend to put 2 ancient weapons on the same island without kaido noticing it
That’s what I said man, kaido didn’t know that two ancient weapons were there -.-

[west saffron]

because kaido didnt KNOW it? If kaido knew about pluton's location this series would be over lmao. I dont think its forced, the mechanics behind how momo commands zunesha and how shirahoshi commands the sea kings are ACTUALLY IDENTICAL

[fiery cliff]

So far there’s too much lack of evidence, although after pause we’re gonna supposedly have less doubts considering things should close out entering the new arc

[golden gate]

Seems interesting

[west saffron]

theres not a lack of evidence. Theres a lack of evidence to say WHICH ancient weapon momo is, ill give you that, but there isnt lack of evidence to say that he IS an ancient weapon.
A MEMBER OF ROYALTY CONNECTED TO THE ANCIENT KINGDOM CAN COMMAND ANCIENT BEAST(s) USING THE VOICE OF ALL THINGS. like, i dont see how that isnt clear as day tbh.

[solemn oyster]

The Pluton is a ship

[west saffron]

im not having this discussion about which ancient weapon he is

[solemn oyster]

We know 2 out if the three ancient weapons. Pluton is a ship, Poseidon is a mermaid that can tall with the Sea King. The only one hidden is Uranus

[fiery cliff]

Keeping caps lock aside, I understood your comparison between shirahoshi and him and the bloodline thing, but this would make the three weapons exactly identical. And why would pluton have anti-pluton blueprints (from water seven) while shirahoshi wouldn’t? Then if momo’s Uranus and not pluton, this would mean pluton should have the same powers of Uranus and shirahoshi so the first problem extends to the others no? I literally consider the possibility you’re proposing but I just can’t see it being correct without adjustments by oda’s side

I personally think uranos will come out when oda finally decides to tell us something about shanks

[west saffron]

pluton MAYBE isnt a ship. like i said. im not having this discussion

[solemn oyster]

There are blueprints for the Pluton, that mean it's not a living thing

[next ember]

I feel like Buggy being strong would ruin the point of his character. He is meant to be a character who’s failure brings him success. Buggy is a coward that still manages to achieve a lot through pure luck. It is meant to be funny. If he is actually hiding his true capabilities, that would ruin the point of his gag character. I want to believe buggy is strong too but it just wouldn’t make sense imo

[west saffron]

holy shit will you please read my fucking message im not having the discussion

[lavish snow]

OMG YOU GUYS GOY A THEORY RIGHT

[copper patio]

Uranus - luffy
Poseidon - shiraoshi
Pluton - momo

[lavish snow]

THIS GUYS A CHAD

[west saffron]

theres no reason for the three weapons to be identical. two can be similar and the other can be a ship. the three can have the same mechanics with different beasts. it doesnt really matter as long as the three were considered ridiculously powerful during the void century and were chronologed as ancient weapons. maybe pluton was especially powerful and needed a counterpart, and the other ones were considered "safe"

[fiery cliff]

Ngl sukiyaki had the same voice actor of hitetsu

[dark palm]

it was a theory far before that was revealed

[livid mantle]

I wonder what Pluton is since is weird it to be on Wano and Kaido that was there for 20 year never found it

[lavish snow]

Wano has to open most likely

[fiery cliff]

Then what other bloodline holder are you suggesting could hold uranos/pluton power? Should it be vivi in alabasta? Or who? Btw didn’t crocodile (iirc) say about 20 years ago pluton was in alabasta

Mistook the info then, mb

[livid mantle]

what if Zunesha is Pluton or heck what if the entire island of Wano is actually Pluton, is not really out of the question for an Island to be a ship look at Thriller Bark a huge ship that can be considered an island

[west saffron]

crocodile said that info on pluton was in alabasta, and he was right lmao. If momo is pluton, then that would establish a pattern in naming.
Poseidon: commands a sea beast and is a fishman, Poseidon is the sea god.
Pluton: commands an elephant (land) and is a human, pluton is the god of the underworld.
Uranus: Unknown, but uranus is a sky god, so skypeians! maybe commands dragons like mentioned in that filler arc way back right before entering the grand line?

tomato?

[copper patio]

Im betting pluton will turn out to be momo or zunesha

[burnt osprey]

Genuine question, how are you guys coming to the conclusion that pluton is a human? Just wondering cause there's blueprints of it so it wouldn't make sense to have blueprints of a human

[livid mantle]

Yea I was thinking the same since it was said that Pluton was built on water 7 and they had the plueprints which Franky burned, how can there be blueprints for a human

[west saffron]

Aight, ill have the pluton discussion. The pluton referenced as a ship, could be referencing or confused with the BLUEPRINTS THAT WERE CREATED AS A COUNTERMEASURE, not confirmed to be the actual 'design'. pluton being referenced to be built on water 7 could be referencing the countermeasure, not the actual 'design'. it is very well possible that pluton isnt a ship at all. is it a leap, but that is my rough theory. it would be the perfect diversion, no?

[sand sail]

Pluton is a ship, we were told this years ago.

[acoustic gale]

So this is final boss of wano an admiral coming for luffys head

[split dagger]

Was literally said that pluton is a battle ship built in water 7

[fiery cliff]

Idk I just searched pluton blueprints on google and read wiki, apparently blueprints weren’t about countermeasures but about the warship itself, can’t send pics so look at it

[copper patio]

It's gonna be the sunny then

[west saffron]

the wiki is fanmade, the blueprints arent the warship itself. franky specifically said the blueprints were MADE as a COUNTERMEASURE to the ACTUAL

[split dagger]

There is no theory in what is Pluton we know that is a ship and now we know that is in wano

[acoustic gale]

Maybe kaido had it ready since he was about to go to war

[fiery cliff]

Aight the only way to get over this riddle for me is rereading water7, could you please name the chapter to start from (about blueprints)

[sand sail]

Pluton was explicitly introduced as a giant battleship, and then the sentiment was confirmed and echoed in Water 7.

[split dagger]

Exactly

[wary nacelle]

I'm fucking curious about everyone saying the world is a mess. What happened, did the revolutionary army do anything? Other than the reverie thingy, what is happening to vivi? Did something else happen?

[burnt osprey]

It'd be bad writing to introduce pluton as a ship and then turn around and say "sike, pluton is actually a human all along"
I just don't see a shiroshi situation happening with pluton.
With Uranus? It's possible but pluton no.

[fiery cliff]

Vivi dipped, sabo died (don’t think so?), 2 emperors have fallen, The Seven have been declared illegal pirates (some could have fallen as we don’t know yet), luffy awakened nika and things aren’t going great, I suppose it’s enough

All the forces are separating and starting to collide (starting from sabo)

[west saffron]

okay im gonna be honest this conversation about pluton is consantly infuriating. people just jump in and say OH BUT PLUTON IS A SHIP IT WAS INTRODUCED AS A SHIP
It is very well possible everyone who thinks its a ship (Crocodile who introduced it) have knowledge about its COUNTERMEASURE BLUEPRINTS, that are labeled as pluton but arent the actual design because franky specifically stated that the blueprints were MADE as a COUTNERMEASURE, that was the intention of the designer.
We dont know what the actual design of pluton is. The only hole in this, is that iceberg states pluton was build on water 7, but he could be referring to the blueprints and not the original.

Also @burnt osprey , I dont believe it to be bad writing, why would it be bad writing when we have been told for 1040 chapters that luffys fruit was the gomu-gomu-nomi and you dont hear people complaining about that as bad writing

[marble girder]

It is no longer a meme. Buggy will be Pirate King

[sand sail]

So your entire problem with this conversation is that the series isn't echoing a possibility you came up with, because it's been consistently saying the opposite?

That's not an argument for it at all, that's doesn't make sense. If we're told over and over again that Pluton is a ship to the point where the blueprints are used to reproduce it in its entirety, to the point where that is the ancient weapon we're given, where is the argument that maybe it's not?

Just because Poseidon isn't a ship as well?

[fiery cliff]

Man chill, it’s a theory and by giving you counters we’re trying to see if this hypothesis could work, at the moment it doesn’t, it could turn out to be true in the next years

[sand sail]

Worse, if there were blueprints reverse engineered about Pluton just to recreate it...is that not an indisputable evidence as to the fact that it's a ship?

[west saffron]

franky SPECIFICALLY STATES that the blueprints were created as a countermeasure to the actual one, and that was the intention of the blueprints designer.

[sand sail]

Yes, it's also specifically stated to be the blueprints OF Pluton.

[fiery cliff]

Looks like I’m not the only who’s going to reread water7

[sand sail]

There really is no argument here, even CP9 knows it to be a battleship.

[west saffron]

those are possible unreliable sources, franky has the big reveal when he burns them that its ACTUALLY a countermeasure and not the actual thing

[gusty bough]

im starting to believe that green bull has "the world's greatest power"
volume 25 cover is the same as the latest panel that reveals the 4 yonkos: https://i.imgur.com/eT3iUBL.jpg this guy behind shanks is green bull
we see him again in the chapter 233 https://i.imgur.com/zbU8vPA.jpg the only chapter with black background and with the title "world's greatest power"
at first we thought it was the gorosei that it was referring to but probably the title was for this guy: https://i.imgur.com/ZmrlADX.png, for misdirection, and also its not greatest as "strongest" but just "greatest", something helpful, something great.

so hear me out, maybe after the whole world floats with water and they use noah to sail and the neptunians to guide it (the classic well-known theory that we've all read already), green bull will help to growth nature again, hence "world's greatest power"
also, in the recent chapter he dont see green bull's left eye, just like this guy: https://i.imgur.com/ZmrlADX.png
if you read the chapter 233 they are excavating on an island, they are looking for captain john's legendary treasure, maybe green bull was there to get rich and impress his wife or something who cares. what do you think?

[west saffron]

again, I recognize this is a big stretch, it is HIGHLY IMPROBABLY, but possible.

[sand sail]

But you're getting uppity about something that the series has pretty emphatically put down entirely.

It's consistently referred to as a ship.

[west saffron]

the hell to you mean uppity? this isnt about pride. idgaf if im wrong, im just advocating for what i see as a possibility. its annoying when im in the middle of explaining it to someone else, then someone jumps in and says "BUT PLUTONS A SHIP" it happens all the time in this channel. I get why, im not faultin anybody, its just annoying.

[sand sail]

But do you not see the futility of it? You're basically saying what if everything we've been told is wrong with no real reason behind it. What's the argument for it being something besides a ship when we have blueprints that are consistently named Pluton themselves?

[trim kayak]

Bro...Pluton is a ship

[median rose]

I wonder what makes pluton special if he’s a ship

[fiery cliff]

It’s apparently able to nuke islands with an attack

[median rose]

oh

[stark path]

It's gonna be used to nuke the red line I'm 99% certain of it

[fiery cliff]

Has some theory been spoken already about what the mary geoise treasure is?

[west saffron]

okay, 1, i do see the futility in it yet i do it anyways. 2), "no real reason" is an opinion i do not hold. Yea, the blueprints are named pluton, but read the chapter where franky burns the blueprints. He states that the designer of the ship had the intention of making the blueprints a countermeasure to the actual one.
ITS HIGHLY IMPROBABLE, because of how much its been reinforced that pluton is a ship. But it seems almost comical how much its reinforced, and im suggesting that there is a slim possibility its a misdirect

[stark path]

Seen some theories that it's Joyboy's preserved body, but I doubt that.

[trim kayak]

Theory: Mary Geoise treasure is actually Luffy's real body. The one he has now is just a clone made by his father Dragon. He started the revolutionary army when he found out the government hid his son's real body.

[median rose]

Maybe it’s a plane🗿

[fiery cliff]

Oh well I thought it was xebec’s lmfao, I know about the straw hat but it wouldn’t be the ultimate weapon imo

So dragon is 800+ years old?

[stark path]

Yeah same that's why I doubt it, it's probably Uranus if I had to guess

[trim kayak]

It's just a theory.

[fiery cliff]

It’s likely to be some body though because of what doflamingo said to law about ope ope and the transplant of personalities

[stark path]

Or it could be their source of immortality

That's why Doffy said the power rots faster than one might think

[fiery cliff]

Okay but doffy also said if he had ope ope he could do something unclear “that day” in Mary geoise, that’s why I say it’s a powerful body

[west saffron]

@sand sail and honestly, how much you've taken this personally is absurd. this is a THEORY, and UNLIKELY ONE. I truly dont care if its unlikely or not, its still a theory that i am making seriously. IF momo is an ancient weapon, it honestly would fit best for him to be pluton, because then the ancient weapons could fit a
Poseidon: Water beasts commanded by Fishman, named after sea god
Pluton: Land beast commanded by human, named after underworld god
Uranus: WHo fucking knows lmao, somethin sky, commanded by a skypeian, named after sky god.

BUT it would also fit for momo to be Uranus, considering how tall zunesha is they could be considered sky animals. Maybe momo can command more than just zunesha, like some flying beasts like pictured on the kozuki clan crest.
Maybe momo isnt an ancient weapon at all. IT DOESNT MATTER. THESE ARE ALL THEORIES and im not saying that they are necessarily THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT THEORY, thats not how theory-making works.

[sand sail]

Oh I don't care about it at all, the theory's just generally incorrect so far. You just came out as if you had a bombshell fact to drop for it when the whole series is saying no here.

[stark path]

no one's saying it isnt, there's honestly tons of possibilities for that and honestly the more I think about the more unclear theories I get in my head lmao

[sand sail]

You can't say the conversation is annoying when you're basically trying to go the opposite direction of the series and meeting the very justified opposition to it, lol

[burnt osprey]

the theory is just making a huge assumption with lack of evidence behind it

[stark path]

honestly now that OP is on a 4 week break I might start and do my mega theory on Kuma, so far on my theories I'm 0-1 in right-wrong regarding theories so I just hope it wont backfire as quick as Ryokugyu SWORD theory LUL

[acoustic gale]

Change places with imu ez

[novel scroll]

https://imgur.com/a/8VVwoQn

Sabo is in the background.
Dofi is in the newspaper if you zoom in. I wonder if he manage to eacape.

[stark path]

I caught the Sabo picture but the Doffy in the newspaper lol

[fiery cliff]

I’m so excited for what’s to come, i hope oda starts closing the holes created from wano already with the entrance in the last arc because as we’re heading in what I believe (time wise) should be the last 200-250 chapters there’s too much stuff unknown and too many links open. Many enemies have to be fought (to say the least greenbull, akainu, teach, im exc. i hope we get enough space for correct back stories as well

[novel scroll]

That iconic glasses. It's got to be Dofi, right

[edgy vector]

Looks like it

[fiery cliff]

I honestly can’t see the glasses… HOLY SHIT THAT IS A WHOLE FACE, yeah that does look like doffy indeed

[warm rain]

i was having a conversation in #manga-serious about sukiyaki. Basically my theory was that robin asked him how he knew her name and didnt say anything about it. i reckon he left wano after he got out of prison because he hated to see wano in its state ruled by orochi and kaido. At the start of the wano arc he said that he was the one to forge zoro's sandai kitetsu and i think that he left wano and thats how the sword ended up in the east. Maybe he tried to go to the east to meet his old friend shimotsuki but he had died (and maybe left his sword behind to pay tribute to shimotsuki kozaburo and went back to wano.

[stark path]

probably so, and he may have returned just recently because he had to have been aware of the Toki prophecy somehow

[warm rain]

yeah he also took care of otama

[stark path]

Those drums look awfully familiar

Those marks are the same ones Enel had, wth is the connection here

[steady prism]

The connection is: Wano is the missing eye of Jaya. It’s a real theory, look it up if you haven’t already. That could be where Enel got his inspiration for drums from. We’ve been given so many callbacks to Jaya and Skypiea that it’s hard not to view it as cannon.

[warm rain]

sharingan

[stark path]

Gonna look it up, I'm really gonna have to reread entire Wano now

[mighty crescent]

enel has never been to the surface world before tho

[steady prism]

But a piece of Shandora went up there. It might have inspired his drum set or there’s another connection we haven’t learned

[mighty crescent]

also idk if this is very important but ive found out that the panel of sabo from the latest chapt is most likely in the vodka kingdom, the buildings are both worn down fortresses and they both have mountains in the backround, and also in the sabo panel theres someone drinking alcohol so

but the weird part is we dont know anythinf ab the current vodka kingdom, and its weird that the picture of sabo only appears there and not anywhere else

[mighty crescent]

i hope enel has a relevant connection cuz i wanna see him again

[cursive briar]

Sorry you are unable to understand

[patent sail]

I’m thinking Buggy might’ve struck a deal with the WG after they couldn’t get one with Orochi. The trade off was probably him becoming an emperor.

[willow plaza]

Listen up. Buggy being a yonko means other shichibukai probably didn't win. If somehow mihawk was captured and turned into a cyborg like Kuma, I can see Zoro needing to go against mihawk to prove his title.

[tribal wedge]

the scary thing is that mihawk is like admiral level

[glossy cipher]

Even Yonko arguably, only reason he aint one is cuz he doesn't have an army id guess

[tribal wedge]

i feel like the gap from admiral --> yonko is probably 100x smaller than we think it is

i feel like raged WB clappin akainu gave us a wrong hint about the difference in powers

[steel wolf]

What person was recognized as a D. in the latest chapter?

[glossy cipher]

It never was that big, Yonko ain't only about power

[glossy cipher]

Buggy probably, imagine if his real name was Buggy D Clown... his parents must have hated him a lot to name him clown

[steel wolf]

I'm pretty sure this isn't true as it doesn't say it on his poster at the end. I was thinking zoro because to me it looked like the posters had zo and ro on them but I might be cappin

[glossy cipher]

Actually didn't Robin and Law have a talk about Law having a D? His poster doesn't have it (Jesus the cool down is annoying)

[steel wolf]

nvm thats just the top of the ED at the end of the WANTED sign

[tribal wedge]

huh? really? they never titled him like that

[glossy cipher]

Yeah, i know, but that was a talk, right before the end of act 2 i think

[tribal wedge]

i thought it was just them trying to take the god picture off luffy and remove the d from bounty name

[glossy cipher]

Wouldn't make sense, ever since east blue thats been on his posters, meanwhile Law never had it

[raven parcel]

Zuneisha is joyboy’s ship

[glossy cipher]

Maybe Pluton was fed an elephant elephant fruit model giant???

[raven parcel]

That’s exactly what I propose

[unique iron]

Ryukugyu is such a bad news, he isn’t as cruel as Akainu but he gave off not so good like vibe too, did he killed all the udon prisoners? Are Bigmom and Kaido really dead? Where did the rest of Bigmom Pirates run off to? Is Robin really going to be safe? What is the Pluton? Is it a person just like Shirahoshi? And we have no ide what Uranus is, do we?
Green Bull might have something to do with the “greenery” flowers flourishing everytime he walks, at least that’s what that last panel looked like to me, glad that Sabo might not be dead, what happened at the Reverie? Omfg too many mysteries added and still a ton left unanswered, this is gonna be a long long month, let’s goooo !

[formal marsh]

No one. I think they were trying to clear the D. in Luffy name, like they did with roger

[errant glacier]

i thought they were trying to hide nika's form? Because Luffy's D has been there since the beginning and they never made a fuss about it

[glossy cipher]

Nah fam, that aint got to do with his powers, its just mold he is spreading since he hasn't showered in years .... on a serious note tho, his power may be a key to making Wano a good place for the people again

[lyric berry]

People are reading way too hard into the D thing. They’re just talking about Luffy. It’s the “fruit rename” debate all over again 🤦‍♂️

[raven parcel]

That would also make him one of joyboys crew as well, and tie back into the theme of weapons being punished, deserving to live etc etc

[glossy cipher]

No, it would make absolutely zero sense to make them hide it from Luffy's poster when its been known for years

[errant glacier]

that actually sounds interesting. but didn't they say zunesha left?

[lyric berry]

You’re overthinking it. Yes it was already published but they want to just remove it now.

[burnt osprey]

If zuneisha is pluton then it doesn't make sense to say pluton is in wano

[unique iron]

Yeah i know his power might be the key to make Wano a good place again, I’m just saying that that his power could be why his nickname is Green Bull

[glossy cipher]

Bro, its not overthinking it, the entire world knows he has a D, hiding it now won't make any difference, plus why else would they mention Law having that in his name earlier and its never brought up again

[unique iron]

Imagine they make luffy’s name into Monkeyd Luffy 🤣

[errant glacier]

yeah that's what i thought...there must be something else.

[lyric berry]

Yes it will over time. That’s how propaganda works. Yes initially people will be like “wtf?” But after years and years of controlling the narrative and purging it from his name in newspapers and history people WILL forget. This shit happens in the real world too.

[worldly lily]

the raid can still fail

[burnt osprey]

Hitetsu looked a lil disturbed when robin asked about pluton so I think pluton is severely damaged and they don't know how to fix it. It could lead to franky being able to help since he may have the blueprints memorized already

[unique iron]

Love this theory

[lyric berry]

Also it CANNOT be law they’re talking about. They implied that the D ended up being published in the wanted poster despite their orders. Laws poster does not have D in it

[glossy cipher]

Doubt its that, but ait, if you say so

[glossy eagle]

Your right they just don’t want people to know he has D he’s a yonko now

[formal marsh]

Roger was also Gol D. but when he got famous they started to call him Gold instead. They were trying to hide it again.

[lyric berry]

Yes and stacked upon his joy boy form

[slim kayak]

wait does morgan know that law has a D

[glossy cipher]

But they left the D in Blackbeard's name

[glossy eagle]

No

[worldly lily]

now that kaidos been “defeated” Toki will return from the death With the aid of brook, who has awakened his powers and can bring people back to life , ( this is his wano power up) anyways, She gets kidnapped by the remnants of the beast pirates as soon as she comes back to life who force her to change the timeline back And Make Kaido Beat luffy and big mom beat Law and kid And killer and the raid fails.

[lyric berry]

I think it’s more related to the fact that luffys picture is now his joy boy form

[slim kayak]

side note how are people supposed to tell what luffy looks like when in his picture he had curly hair and is covering half of his face

[glossy cipher]

Wouldn't matter when Joyboy is hidden from the world, only people with acces to the knowledge of Polnegliphs are aware of him, and maybe some that know of legends

[formal marsh]

They also left it in Roger bounty poster (just checked), but both of them didn't have the Nika fruit which has been reclassified to hide it's true powers.

[lyric berry]

Yea iono these are both good points. The gorosei be trippin

[glossy cipher]

To be fair if they were aware of the fruit then why tf didnt they capture him earlier, bozos are on crack or something strong

[errant glacier]

i see...if that's really the case i guess they just don't want the D clan being recognized then

[slim kayak]

well isn’t it speculated that they didn’t know until shanks told them

[formal marsh]

That guard in whatever prison who's who's was in didn't have access to poneglyphs. Rumors spread. You have a yonko whose power is roughly the same has as a Paradise rookie, but since he has fame and a couple of mercenaries he got that position

[pure raven]

what if zoro turns on luffy😯 😯

[glossy cipher]

Yes, but even with that, they had 800 years, what the fuck were they doing to not know this

[slim kayak]

tru mfs have heard about a pirate with rubber powers and did nothing

[glossy cipher]

Fr, Luffy gonna overeat and pass out, Green Bull will attack, zoro will fight him, Luffy will wake up and think zoro killed everyone and it will be Whiskey peak all over again

[slim kayak]

so that means wano is the whisky peak of the post time skip

[formal marsh]

Not sure if it was shanks or Imu. The last one seems more likely, like it didn't hear about Luffy until WCI or around there since he was a "Small time rookie"

[errant glacier]

wow i kinda forgot abot Imu and the giant straw hat

[glossy cipher]

What if the previous Joyboy was a giant? Alsonwhats up with the giant tree on Elbaf

Come to think of it, if we are going to go to Mariejoa to save Sabo, we will need a way to get up there, what if we go to Elbaf to use the giant tree to climb up to the sky sea (or whatever it was called) and go to Mariejoa through there

[amber oar]

My man Juba, take this W

[slim kayak]

Bro literally oda

[formal marsh]

Damn Juba deducted that shit with the first evidence being two characters size when they were never presented side by side... in one piece.... Juba is a legend

[glossy cipher]

Bro scrolled back to ages ago 💀 💀

[amber oar]

I commented this at the time and turns out the answer to my question is Pluton

[glossy cipher]

Yes, so It would seem

[tall flicker]

dUUDe WHAT DID buggy dooo man

[amber wadi]

be buggy

[tall flicker]

bro mustve did something big to piss of marines soo much they made him an emperor

[glossy cipher]

Eother he is a scapegoat so they don't deal with 4 Emperors at once, or he did something incredible... who knows, maybe even the theory of him being Rocks' son is real

[upbeat basalt]

How did Tom have the Pluton blueprints if Pluton was on Wano?

[tall flicker]

yea thats the only possible outcome... and isnt the treasure captain johns or whatever his name is was a member of xebec or somethign

[tall flicker]

or maybe shanks went to gorosei to talk abt buggy and tell them buggy was xebecs son or maybe buggy fruit is also a god zoan or something like luffys turned out and shanks told them about it cuz shanks was the one who fed it to him lol

[sinful bolt]

Buggy's devil fruit awakening will be used to split Blackbeard's body into 3 in the final battle

[upbeat basalt]

My theory is that Oden must've told Tom how to build it when he visited Water 7.

[tall flicker]

yoooooooooooo thatd be lit

[glossy cipher]

Or Its just be Luffy vs Blackbeard, Luffy kindda has 3 powers in one while blackbeard probably has 3 bodies in one

[upbeat basalt]

Also, if Pluton is on Wano, then what could it possibly be?

[tall flicker]

wasnt pluton in water 7 or blueprints of it that franky "destroyed" (i bet he memorized that shi in his head and sunny has it)

[analog sun]

The alabasta poneglyph was referring to the OG Pluton being in Wano, since it was written long before Oden and Tom's times

[errant glacier]

i did see a theory about the onigashima skull being joyboy's

[tall flicker]

hmmmmm but why would joyboy have horns if he wore a straw hat

[upbeat basalt]

Okay, but why would Robin mention it if that wasn't important to the story? Pluton being on Wano isn't important if it's actually somewhere else

[formal marsh]

"Awakening 101: 10 steps to awaken that even a pirate whose fame and power has been mostly stagnated for 20 years can do"

[analog sun]

I didn't say it wasn't important, I just said it refers to the original build of pluton, not a recent one

[tall flicker]

that would be a very dark turn lol

[upbeat basalt]

But what does it matter that the original build was there if it isn't there now?

[analog sun]

It is there now, Sukiyaki literally confirms in 1053

[upbeat basalt]

Then if it is there, then what could it be?

[analog sun]

It's always been supposed to be a giant ship. I don't know where it is, no one does. But that doesn't mean it's not there or not important. I don't know a world in which the ancient weapons are "not important"

[worldly cipher]

That's what I assumed too but has it ever been stated

[errant glacier]

well it wasn't a solid theory or anything 😂

[crystal pebble]

Only Jinbe is having a poison-free meal. Green Bull is gonna come in and use Leech Seed on everyone and is gonna get poisoned lol

[upbeat basalt]

Didn't you just say it was on Wano? If there's this island-buster weapon that's been around for 800 years, what is the weapon?

[analog sun]

Right it's on Wano, but not sure where on Wano precisely. You asked where it was when I told you 1053 confirmed it on Wano, so I thought you were asking for an exact location

[tall flicker]

well… thats quite possible, but he is only going after luffy so i dont think anything would happen, i feel like greenbull is gonna run away after luffy awakens and shows gear 5

Ooor mayb green bull is a good guy like fujitora and he restores wano and all the dried land idk

[upbeat basalt]

I'm trying to figure out what and where Pluton is rn. I doubt it's actually a ship because there's no way any port could have it, but it has to be somewhere, a place where it could remain hidden for 800 years. It could be in that one underground passage into Wano, but it could be somewhere else

[glossy cipher]

Okay, remember the giant ship from Fishman Island? What if Pluton is a ghost, the same kind as the one from the Sunny but a powerful one, and to get Pluton fully working we need to get that ghost from wano to Fishman island? That would explain why one would need a blueprint to buils it and why Franky wouldn't recognize it, since it hasn't been repaired in ages

[worldly cipher]

Oh the sea kings did say they need a certain person to repair it

[upbeat basalt]

So you're saying it's a Klaubatterman?

[crystal pebble]

Luffy has that high poison tolerance and massive appetite, still could happen. This month is gonna feel so long.

[glossy cipher]

Yes, Essentially, would also explain the sea kings waiting for a certain someone to repair it

[tall flicker]

bruv pluton is most likely sunny.. sunny is in wano aswell dont forget.. and the fact that franky burned (definetly memorized it) and placed it into sunny

[glossy cipher]

Doubt the sunny has that kind of a power

[upbeat basalt]

Now that I think about it, have we considered why Wano is concealed by the waterfalls?

[crystal pebble]

Could be a mini pluton

[shadow pike]

Looking much more likely that Buggy is Buggy D. Clown

[tall flicker]

it makes perfect sense cuz u said pluton could be a spirit of something, boats have spirits, maybe sunny spirit IS pluton

[glossy cipher]

Yes, but didn't the sunny inherit the one from the Merry

[worldly cipher]

I'm hyped about Uranus ngl, what could it be

[upbeat basalt]

Obviously it's for border reasons, but it feels like there's something being hidden by the waterfalls other than just Wano

[tall flicker]

no? lol merry was dead destroyed sunny a whole another thing

[glossy cipher]

You know how luffy can turn into a giant now? its his~

[upbeat basalt]

Like, why is Wano raised so unnaturally high above sea level?

[worldly cipher]

And still has a beach so it's lifted with the ocean

[glossy cipher]

Yes, but it was never confirmed that a ghost can not start living on a brand new boat, also why else would we be shown that giant boat, there should be some sort of a use for it, plus its giant, itd make more sense for a giant boat to be a world destroying weapon than our tiny sunny

[upbeat basalt]

Something tells me opening the borders could lower it back down to normal elevation, or perhaps show what's been elevating it

[tall flicker]

sunny is quite big thoo

[worldly cipher]

Nah i genuinely think we know the purpose of Noah already, it's to transfer the fishmen from the bottom of the sea to the top, with the help of Poseidon i doubt it's anything more than that

[glossy cipher]

Not really, weve seen way bigger ships even before entering the new world

[errant glacier]

has there been any hint about uranus before? i honestly cant remember but i feel like there isn't any

[worldly cipher]

Nah it was only mentioned like once by jamon guy

[glossy cipher]

toilet paper, thats the hint

[errant glacier]

going back to pluton, i kind of remember franky and tom saying something along the lines of 'can humans really build this thing' and 'if something like this was built the world would be destroyed' so it makes me doubt that it's a normal ship

[eternal dove]

I actually thought Pluton is Momonosuke just Poseidon is Shirahoshi since they almost have the same power

[west saffron]

Eyyy someone who agrees, but i think its unlikely. I think its more likely that momo is uranus.

[worldly cipher]

But why would there be a blueprint for a human lol

Momo already has a special trait of being a dragon by an artificial fruit that was supposed to be a failure so i doubt he's gonna have more but if he did that'd get interesting

[eternal dove]

Yeah I did forget in water 7 they said Pluton is a warship

[west saffron]

I think at the very least Momo is an ancient weapon. How he commands zunesha is just TOO similar to how shirahoshi commands the sea kings.
I was talking about this earlier today, but Both zunesha and the sea kings are beasts that use the voice of all things, are commanded by royalty with direct connections to the ancient kingdom, hence ANCIENT WEAPON (the naming is probably a coincidence too on the nose)

[eternal dove]

But im pretty sure Zunesha is a massive historical figure and since Momo can order it its pretty big thing

[worldly cipher]

Did they? I can't find the clip

[errant glacier]

yup pluton is definitely not human. both tom and franky had indicated this. perhaps it has something to do with Pluto, like the theories say

[junior cape]

Momo is not Pluton. That we can guarantee. Pluton is a ship, Franky had its blueprints, Robin knows where it is.

[worldly cipher]

Isn't zunesha easy to defeat tho, like with a few cannons they were getting him weak with far away they can take him out right even if he's willing to fight

[west saffron]

they say it SOOO much its a little stupid. Crocodile, the gourosei, tom, iceberg, franky, all refernce pluton as a ship. However, there is confusion about the blueprints only being a countermeasure to pluton and not the actual ship, leaving VERY VERY slim room for pluton to MAYBE not be a ship but be zunesha commanded by momo just like sea kings are commanded by shirahoshi

[errant glacier]

there was a theory that said the reason why momo could command zunesha and luffy couldn't might be bcos his bloodline was the one who handed down the punishment to zunesha and i think it does make sense.

[west saffron]

Thats not true either. He was going to TILT a little bit, which would make the entire island go bye bye and everyone die. thats why he was begging for new commands.

[grim moss]

what do you think will happen do you think Sabo save then one piece or one piece then sabo save + world war ?

[west saffron]

we dont know that its the entire bloodline. only momo has been able to command zunesha, maybe its the same scenario as shirahoshi where only a 'sovereign' is born every so often. i think thats most likely

[worldly cipher]

Do we even know if sabo is captured lol, we r almost accepting it as a fact but we have no idea what happened that day

[eternal dove]

but seriously though how come no one ever talked about Luffy almost destroying Noah’s Ark when Luffy is Joyboy who made a promise to keep it safe….

[grim moss]

They already implied that

[worldly cipher]

Mind elaborating, I'd like to get on the sabo captured train too but idk yet

[errant glacier]

can's say for sure but knowing oda, i highly doubt he would make momo an ancient weapon, since we already have shirahoshi. one is a mermaid, pluton is a some form of ship, so uranus has to be something completely different.

[eternal dove]

Sabo is going to start a revolutionary vs world government war just like whitebeard vs marines war which will be in final saga

[worldly cipher]

Man if i could find a pattern in the names it would be easy to understand, Poseidon is ofcourse water related, pluton in real life as far as i know means some rocks? And Uranus ofcourse space is what I assumed but if pluton has nothing to do with its real life meaning then Uranus can be anything

Pluton in real life is a large body of intrusive igneous rock when magma cools and solidifies below the surface of the earth - google

[eternal dove]

Bruh the 3 ancient weapon is named after roman gods: Poseidon - Water, Uranus - Sky/Heaven, Pluton - Underworld/Hades

[worldly cipher]

Ah okay that makes sense then lol

[errant glacier]

there's a pluto (underworld god) theory on reddit and it was interesting

[west saffron]

HAS to be something different? why? that makes no sense.

[eternal dove]

thats why I think what theyre referring in water 7 is a warship that can stop Pluton. And Pluton is a person just like Poseidon.

[west saffron]

as far as i understand it, In mythology he was THE ENTIRE SKY so SPACE

[worldly cipher]

One piece wiki says it's a warship so it must've been mentioned somewhere that it's a warship cus one piece wiki keeps track of stuff pretty well even if it's managed by fans

[eternal dove]

It is mentioned. But no one really know what it is. Just like how all this time we thought Luffys fruit is a paramacia type but it’s actually a Zoan type

[errant glacier]

it's what we call part of storytelling

[flat grove]

My theory is that Pluton is hidden somewhere in the underground port area of Wano. It's even possible that when Wano was initally closed back in the void century that part of the goal was to conceal Pluton along with protecting Wano until Joyboy returns. Perhaps opening Wano's borders involves unearthing Pluton which could be part of the trigger for the events of the final saga.

[west saffron]

Pluton is probably a ship. Iceberg says directly that PLUTON was built at water 7 during the void century.
However, he COULD be saying the COUNTERMEASURE BLUEPRINTS were built at water 7 during the void century. That seems VERY unlikely, but it is DEFINITELY possible that pluton isnt actually a ship and its a big subversion.

IF ITS A SUBVERSION I WOULD FUCKING LOVE IT CUZ that means i get to tell many people i told you so

[eternal dove]

So is Joyboy someone that can use 3 ancient weapons? he seems to be mentioned whenever ancient weapons are involved

[west saffron]

inlcuding okama lmao he was getting on my case earlier today cuz the entire chat was against me when i was defending the pluton isnt a ship theory, and i was getting annoyed at how people were interacting with my arguments

[worldly cipher]

I'm pretty sure most of u here know about the luffy destroying Mary jois in turn destroying red line which will result in destroying the fishman Island as predicted theory right? What do u think of it, it's apretty good one ngl

[west saffron]

Joyboy is probably someone who knew or was connected to all 3 ancient weapons, i find it HIGHLY unlikely that joyboy can command the sea kings alongside shirahoshi. it would be by proxy if anything

[eternal dove]

I get that Pluton is a ship is very likely to happen but it just doesnt make sense that Poseidon is a natural thing and Pluton is man made

[worldly cipher]

Why not i don't see anything wrong with it

[eternal dove]

I dont think Luffy has anything to do with Celestian Dragons. I see it very unlikely that he will join revolutionary army just for thr sake of it

[flat grove]

All we know is that there were 3 things that are called ancient weapons because of the role they had in the void century and what they are capable of

[west saffron]

and we know that one of them is shirahoshi, poseidon. We know pluton is in wano, and momos granddad calls pluton 'It' in this chapter, making it even more unlikely to be momo. however, next chapter he just might reveal it to be momo.

[worldly cipher]

But then what would the blueprint be about?

[eternal dove]

Im pretty sure Neptune refers Poseidon as “it” as well. since the are “weapons” not people

[west saffron]

a countermeasure to pluton, like franky said when he burned them and like iceberg said to robin.

[halcyon quail]

Theory for the following chapters:

Greenbull will cause trouble in the party
Greenbull kills a supporting character
Luffy vs greenbull occurs
WG ships come to wano
Wano is surrounded
Robin comes out of nowhere with Pluton
Robin asks Franky to use Pluton
They defeat WG and wano is defended

[errant glacier]

all the ancient weapons are all interesting but i'm way more curious about uranus tbh.

[grim oyster]

i dont think greenbull is killing anyone, they have luffy, law, kidd, yamato, all the strawhats, and the other captains crew. green bull is about to get bodied imo

[worldly cipher]

Robin is supposed to be the one to be able to awaken the pluton right, so it has something to do with poneglyph

[flat grove]

Momonosuke sure does seem a lot like an equivalent of shirahoshi so him being another ancient weapon could be the case. The thing that makes me think that he is unlikely to be pluton specifically is that there existed blueprints for it, meaning unless they said make a kozuki fuck until you get a pluton, its probably something that can be built by someone capable enough. Maybe he could still be Uranus though, but personally i think that's boring.

[halcyon quail]

I think he could harm at least one supporting character. Maybe sukiyaki.

[worldly cipher]

"as long as Nico Robin is alive, the ancient weapon can be resurrected" wonder what that means 👁️👁️

[grim oyster]

thought he died? this guy right?

[halcyon quail]

Uhhh read latest release

[west saffron]

he literally was revealed this chapter to be tengu

[eternal dove]

Well it could be somewhere along the lines - Momonosuke can order Zunesha and they will make Zunesha into a ship type weapon

[errant glacier]

yeah. it's how storytelling works which is why i doubt oda would make another living being ancient weapon. not to mention he looooves to surprise us

[worldly cipher]

Zunesha docking confirmed

[flat grove]

Probably that she can find it because she can read the poneglyphs which explain what and where they are

[eternal dove]

Someone invite Nico Robin into this group and make her explain it to us!!!

[errant glacier]

oh man this one month is gonna be soooo long

[flat grove]

Yeah, even if it's another living being, it's uninteresting for it to be the same kind of power as well.

[grim oyster]

mb maybe. they are somewhere underground it looks like away from luffy and the festival which isnt greenbulls target

[west saffron]

PEOPLE NEED TO REMEMBER
that the blueprints to pluton might not be the ACTUAL pluton. THe blueprints are named pluton, but franky when he burns the blueprints is very specific in saying that the blueprints were intended as a COUNTERMEASURE to the 'first' pluton. Iceberg does say specifically that pluton was BUILT on water 7 back during the void century, which makes the 'first' pluton seem like a ship, but he might be referring to the countermeasure.

[eternal dove]

Then whats the point of Shirahoshi being poseidon is theres others like her??

[worldly cipher]

Oh and for the momo theory, why would sukiyaki know momo is pluton?

[cursive briar]

What do you mean others like her

[eternal dove]

Because Sukiyaki can write/read Poneglyphs. We thought Oden was the last person to be able to do it but thats not the case anymore

[west saffron]

They are different in that they command different beasts.

[worldly cipher]

That's true, then that would mean it can't be a random guy in the bloodline tho right, otherwise he woudlnt be sure it's momo

Damn now that i think about it, maybe sukiyaki will die lol, cus now we have 2 people who can read poneglyphs

[errant glacier]

now that you said it...i think so too...

[worldly cipher]

Maybe he will teach Robin how to write poneglyphs

[minor halo]

@worldly cipher by two you mean Robin and him?

[eternal dove]

Im talking about how Momo almost has the same power as Shirahoshi but Momo will not be a major character

[worldly cipher]

Yeah is there anyone else?

We don't know of anyone else yet as far as i know,

[minor halo]

There maybe

[eternal dove]

In Wano, they suppose to know how to write poneglyph. In Zou arc they asked if Kinemon knows how. Kinemon responded that only Oden knew how and he never passed it on. Oden obviously learned it from Sukiyaki who supposed to be dead. but now hes alive he is the only person with Robin who can read poneglyph. That is why Robin and Sukiyaki can talk in confidence

[silk temple]

I have 3 assumptions about GB

1. He will be a training dummy for luffy's gear 5

2. He gets his ass whooped and force to use his powers to heal up wano.

3. He will be clowned in wano coz oda wants to add a clown in admiral rank just like how he put buggy in yonko rank.

[worldly cipher]

Where's the second and third point

[silk temple]

Oh right the 3 assumptions were all about GB getting beat up. My bad.

[flat grove]

Sukiyaki might be the only person left who knows the secrets of the Kozuki clan and Wano in general. Hopefully he at least gets to pass some things along to Momo before he dies. We don't even know what opening Wano's borders really entails but if anyone does its Sukiyaki, except maybe Zunesha but he just peaced out lol. Surely his character arc will be something along the lines of him accepting his failure to protect Wano until now and doing his best to help Momo become the best shogun he can be.

[worldly cipher]

Chadnesha pulled up, revealed a major piece of info and left without picking up the minks lmao

[flat grove]

lmao, yeah wtf are the minks supposed to do now

[eternal dove]

Wano arc not being finished means it will all be about Pluton and Ryokugyu going crazy in it

[worldly cipher]

Controversial opinion but i think sukiyakis kokeshi dolls were cute

[silk temple]

I don't think GB had any idea about pluton. I have an impression he is just a muscleheaded dude that will going to rampage of hoping he can get a jackpot by capturing luffy

[inner scarab]

Any idea what the hell happens in the outside world? Sure something major even affecting buggu to be crowned emperor

[worldly cipher]

He's the only admiral we know who doesn't live on his own terms, seeking approval from someone, so i wouldn't be surprised if he was kinda arrogant and got a little too ahead of himself

[eternal dove]

Buggy found the last Poneglyph in accident and became an emperor 😂

[inner scarab]

Probably accidentally come across uranus and claimed it

[silk temple]

Yeah I have the same feeling about him that's why I'm not gonna get surprised if he is really clowned in wano.

[eternal dove]

im more interested how Zoro will end up fighting Haweye. Unless Hawkeye joins up with other Yonkos since Luffys goal is to beat up all Yonkos

[inner scarab]

The dude is logia right? Since i guess wood is a nature element

[worldly cipher]

He doesn't really need a reaosn tho, he can just challenge him whenever he meets and hawkeye appears out of nowhere everytime

[silk temple]

We don't know. But I think he is more of a paramecia

[worldly cipher]

Got any theories on how lasers work? Like how can vegapunk make lasers

Franky did manage to do it but that doesn't explain how it works

[eternal dove]

He experimented on Kizaru

[inner scarab]

Well, since all admirals have logia or at least myth zoan (all rare fruits). WG surely in posession of some kind of DF generator.

[worldly cipher]

Isn't fujitora paramecia

[grim oyster]

when marines visit islands they could find devil fruits and then hand them up to higher rank officers to eat which could explain all the admirals having powerful fruits

[inner scarab]

Oh yeah , you're right. But still, gravity manipulation is kind of broken level lol

[worldly cipher]

But Franky was able to recreate it, in the lab which vegapunk hasn't used for a long time, probably before kizaru even became a known man

[silk temple]

Yeah fuji is a paramecia. GB's power works almost the same as Robin where he can grow plants on his body and around him so I assume he is paramecia

[grim oyster]

to add on to what i said most people dont know what devil fruit they got until they eat it (, buggy, thatch)

[eternal dove]

Well not surprising since Caesar is Vegapunks apprentice and remember CP 0s leader back in water 7 had a sword that ate a DF

[cursive skiff]

The mink will be joining luffy's grand fleet, why? Most if not all the minks liking exploring having fun and they're pretty strong for the grand fleet. Also luffy just became a yonko which means he needs more grand fleet members to join him and be on his side. So the obvious thing is for oda-sensei to make the minks join the grand fleet and become a good help for luffy. And for luffy to conquer more land!

[whole rivet]

Ehh... Who's the other person?

[modest skiff]

!theories @worldly cipher @eternal dove

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[eternal dove]

noted.

[wary comet]

Possibility that green bull uses his DF to restore the barren parts of wano?

[wild wigeon]

i assume he wont do it willingly

but i theorise that gb might still be from wano and thats why he went to wano without asking akainu and destroyed the remaining beast pirates and is going after luffy and the other pirates cuz he might think that they are like the new kaido in wano

and idky but have this lil gut feeling that gb might not be who he acts to be or mb even he has multiple personalities

[dapper rain]

Technically Luffy has been a yonko for a few years now, but that aside I don't think the Minks need to be part of the grand fleet necessarily. I suspect most of them will return to Zou and claim Zou to be Straw Hat territory, thus expanding Luffy's claim over the seas. The same thing could easily happen with Wano, a hugely valuable territory

[slender oak]

Theory: Makino is going to get a bag when Luffy comes back to Foosha Village because Luffy still owes Makino from the Treasure Tab

[brazen lantern]

1. Just what are they talking about to remove the "D”
2. How tf is buggy a yonko now
3. What's next for law in terms of his alliance with luffy

[slender oak]

How are these theories

[brazen lantern]

Just a theory but is it possible buggy got hands on an ancient weapon

[spring anvil]

if you are asking if it is, anything is possible

[brazen lantern]

Luffy and bb already have D in their posters so is it law or a new character.
Just wanna see others pov

[slender oak]

Law never had a D for his bounty posters and nor do the gorosei know. Is common sense that they are talking about Luffy and they would do something similar to Roger since he was addressed as Gold Roger not Gold D Roger until Drum Island

[spring anvil]

His first name was Gol not gold

[wild wigeon]

yeah they want to hide anything that will give hope to ppl under the rule of the goverment

[limpid geyser]

Mihawk joins buggy

[slender oak]

Why would that happen

[brittle thorn]

I think D is not 'dangerous' but Drum🍴

[slender oak]

Usopp is the most likely to die since during the final battle he would’ve most likely already reached his dream or can achieve his dream by sacrificing himself/dying

[muted frost]

Imu has a moon fruit and his awakened form allows him to send people to the moon and the lunarian race are people who adapted like the skypieans

[limpid geyser]

I think Black bread had that

[muted frost]

I think the next islands going to be marie joie, there’s just too much going on and Luffy possibly has to save sabo and boa and while I think he saves them, imu banishes them to the moon and for some Oda reason the only way back to the moon is to land on elbaph and we will finally reach elbaph after Marie joie

[limpid geyser]

Yami Yami is not logia it awakening is moon God fruit
Yami Yami very different from other logia

You can hit him with non haki attack
It produces darkness can't turn into it

[slender oak]

Is not confirmed lol is just a theory that Blackbeard has that

[muted frost]

I’m sure Blackbeard has a hidden awakening, but I’m pretty sure Blackbeard doesn’t have secret moon properties in his devil fruit. He literally studied it and only hinged on the darkness of the fruit, nothing about moons.

Thoughts on marie joie next island?

[slender oak]

Highly unlikely as Imu would most likely be final boss or else Blackbeard final boss would be pointless since Luffy already proved he is better then Blackbeard by dismentalling the World Government

[muted frost]

I don’t think Luffy wins the fight I just think he saves his friends but I get what you mean by far fetched. Imu definitely gives final boss vibes but I just can’t imagine how’s the crew gonna take the news for whatever happened at marie joie. I feel like we should have a shred of info of what happened there by now, we’ve cut to the Gorosei like 10 times the last 50 chapters

[viral musk]

Interesting theory I saw on twitter was that Pluton might be deep beneath Wano where big mom and Kaido were sent. Would also be very fitting since Pluton literally is a geology term for a body of igneous rock. Don't know if I am allowed to share links otherwise I would post it in here

[obsidian yoke]

Wait what if the ancient weapon is tied to the seastone. They are only Wano and their ability to negfate devil fruit is something thats only done by Haki. Plus, the seastones power 'emit the energy of the ocean', which is a weird property that could be a side effect of the weapon being underground for so long.

[spring pecan]

did anyone notice the color spread? the kung fu dugong has an eye patch

[vast skiff]

greenbull and kong look the same ngl

[pure raven]

Pluton might in fact be the giant sword that we see in Onigashima. Though if that is the case it's certainly strange that Kaido never tried to touch it or grab it or study it though and just kept it as a decoration. Perhaps the ancient "weapons" are all actually just people that the world government consider to be a threat and there exists one for each medium of the world. Poseidon(Shirahoshi) for the sea, Pluton (Momo) for the Earth and Uranus (Dragon) for the sky.

[fair jay]

I am it’s just a weird theory though

[dapper wren]

kaido and big mom find pluton in the lava

[vagrant grail]

Greenbull is dragon brother

[ashen surge]

How many times have we been told that Pluton is a warship that was built on Water7 by shipwrights?

[proud obsidian]

what if greenbull is luffy?

[weary hornet]

we still got 4-5 years left n thats like not even close to the end. plus didnt oda say a character w a eyepatch is going to show up in the story, not the color spread

[burnt osprey]

Listen all imma say to people who are saying pluton is something other than a ship..
why would the world government go out of their way to send cp9 to get the blueprints of pluton? They know what its capable of doing. (going on an assumption imu is from void century or even gorosei is as well. point being point, theyve probably experienced what it does) Now if it was a person or something else, they would have went out of their way to track that person or thing down and capture them. I just dont see zuniesha or momo or whatever being pluton when its been stated since alabasta that its a ship that can destroy a whole island
i think franky also having access to the blueprints for a while may prove to be important soon as well

[somber cove]

idk if someone already said this, what if the reason buggy became yonko is bcuz of WB territories. Remember Marco said he couldn't leave the island bcuz he protects it. Then we see Marco in wano... since warlords are gone buggy takes that offer. it's just a theory, tell me if something is wrong... ty

[pure raven]

$20 says Franky based the design for Thousand Sunny off the blueprints for Pluton

[spring pecan]

uuhh yeah I know, obviously it's not going to be a character in the color spread. But it might be a foreshadowing of who it might be

[weary hornet]

i doubt it

[spring pecan]

aight oda

[weary hornet]

actually wait cus the animal w the eyepatch has x scars. maybe it might be luffy wearing an eyepatch in the future jus for a disguise or sum shi.

[viral musk]

I did see some stretched out theories of it not being a ship/weapon and such but I do agree to think it is still a ship/weapon. I am wondering if pluton really is beneath wano or it is something so obscure oda would throw at us. This information is what I really want to know the most atm

We already know Shirahoshi is Poseidon

[manic lichen]

Shirahoshi ain't a ship tho💀

[copper snow]

Turns out pluton is actually big mom

[pure raven]

Well obviously they were mistaken, and pluton is in fact just the ship that was built as a countermeasure

[ashen surge]

The original shipwrights of Pluton thought that if the original Pluton ever falls into wrong hands, you'd need an identical ship as a countermeasure.

[ornate loom]

Fighting fire with fire

[frosty pasture]

yea maybe it has the power to become a transformer-like machine that wreaks havoc but it can't be that exactly cause doflamingo almost killed the crew and the art art women as well and the ship did nothing

[pure raven]

I haven't seen anything that says Pluton is a sentient weapon. Shirahoshi is a living weapon, but that doesn't mean Pluton & Uranus are.

[frosty pasture]

are you fat-shaming? lol jk

[frosty pasture]

true good point

[pure raven]

I'm wondering what's up with Joy Boy. And Nika? He must've been pretty powerful for his power to be made into a Devil Fruit.

[frosty pasture]

thats a whole different can of worms, where do devil fruits even come from? lol

[errant glacier]

exactly. i know some readers think momo is pluton/uranus but oda knows how storytelling works so i highly doubt that's gonna happen. shirahoshi is a living being, pluton is some kind of ship, uranus has to be something different.

[pure raven]

Momo can't be Pluton, especially after this last chapter.

[fiery cliff]

Oh no they’re still at it… about 10 hours ago we discussed momo being pluton and it isn’t doable without adjustments coming from oda’s side

Momo being pluton and shirahoshi Poseidon would 99% of the time make so that Uranus is also a person able to call stuff and that would be quite boring

[errant glacier]

yeah. especially since there's a blueprint and everything.

also regarding nika, am i the only one wondering why the gov is so relaxed when they made a fuss about it at first? are they planning something

[wispy shell]

But what are the specifications for a thing to be considered as a warship?
What if zunesha is a genetically engineered "warship" called Pluton that ate a Devil Fruit which can only be controlled by people with specific genetic / DNA?

[fiery cliff]

1. it wouldn’t make sense to say pluton is wano
2. zunesha was joyboy’s mate who’s been punished no?

[keen monolith]

I don’t think there would be a blueprint of a Dali elephant and people would call it a warship

[manic lichen]

💀

[ashen surge]

The manga fucking reads "It's a ship that was constructed in Water7" what else do you need?

[vestal plinth]

Regardless of what Pluton really is: It will be utilized to sink Ryukugyu's navy ship to neutralize a potential Buster Call, demonstrate Pluton's firepower and force Ryu to retreat with empty hands rather than him and the alliance throwing hands.

[frosty pasture]

that would be amazing

[fossil fox]

Who decides who gets to become a yonko? Is it the world government or is it ‘the people’?

I’ve been thinking that law, kid and luffy each got 3 billion bounties because the world government is deliberately trying to downplay luffy.

On the other hand , the title of yonko is decided through public perception (big news Morgan), and everyone knows that luffy is the big dog of the sea, and that it’s really him, not law and kid, who is a true yonko, even though the government would like to pretend otherwise.

What do you all think?

[shadow slate]

Greenbull is like garp in water 7 he might bash the party and he will reveal that im zoros father wouldn't that be awesome?

[molten terrace]

im on ep 488 rn so idk for the next episode but ive heard about gear 5
i think luffy's devil fruit is a mixed devil fruit i heard that ace's devil fruit got eated by sabo after he " SPOILER ! ||died|| !" so why luffy's devil fruit is not joyboy's fruit + gomu gomu

[pure raven]

The one piece is the power of friendship

[sturdy pollen]

nah, the one piece is Pandaman

[winged sail]

Would it be unreasonable to say after the last chapter that Green Bull can absorb nutrients due to his plant type df, also correlating with how he didn't have to eat for 3 years?

[fathom matrix]

I here's a new theory

What if the one piece is actually a bottle of sake? Aged to perfection

But this sake can only be drunk once the world is one piece, or the world goverment is taken/down/reformed

What if the promise Joyboy made was to have Posiden see a forest and the fishman live where the sun always shine, and once that promise is fullfilled, they can drink Bink's sake.

As it may alos link to the song.

Roger and his crew laughed because they read the story of the void century, laughed and probably wanted to drink that sake.

And one the strawhats destroy the red line, destroy fishman island, Shiroshi brings them to the surface, Imu is defeated and the marines reform, only then can they drink Bink's sake

[digital lodge]

My boi Buggy is now a Yonko

[south minnow]

There a theory by Artur I believe were he says that the one piece is a bottle of sake

[tacit zephyr]

link?

[south minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3d8x1WCBA

[fair jay]

No it wouldn’t though

[pure raven]

But like another marine ford idk

[fair jay]

In the manga there’s literally a scene of Dadan and Makino both crying, saying “we just found out he was alive”. Plus, sabo would never betray the RA lol. They probably wanted to “fact check” that sabo either:
-Died
-Was captured and sent to Impel Down
or
-Supposedly “killed” Cobra or someone from Alabasta and was sentenced to be executed

Do we know the whereabouts of the Shodai Kitetsu?

[compact herald]

So is Momonosuke Pluton? Thoughts?

[naive lantern]

how many sea kings do you guys think exist?
is there a theory on them?

[naive lantern]

i think kozuki sukiyaki was talking about something that exists longer than momo

[compact herald]

Well I mean in the same vein that Shirahoshi is Poseidon maybe the Kozuki clan has the same recurring "reincarnation" of a weapon thing going on

[naive lantern]

yeaah but i think it would be strange to have another moment where momo learns about his abilities once again

[compact herald]

To be fair they were never really explored in the first place, All we know is for some reason he can talk to Zunesha and Zunesha obeys HIS command alone, even though Luffy can hear Zunesha as well, similar to what happened on Fishman Island where Luffy heard the sea kings but only shirahoshi could command them, ALSO the parallel that Robing discussed Shirahoshi being Poseidon with Neptune, now she's talking to Sukiyaki in the same manner as she did to Neptune and it has very strong vibes of been a similar or identical discussion

[steady prism]

We've been told that Pluton was a ship. If Momo's Pluton then why would Kaido want him dead? By that time in the story they had Sukiyaki imprisoned so it's likely they'd know about Pluton.

[compact herald]

I've already theorized previously that I believe Pluton is not in fact a ship and posted a LONG series of posts stating why I had that belief and the albeit small amount of circumstantial evidence leading me to that conclusion

[dreamy hull]

that actually opens the option it was under Wano with all the lava where Kaido and BM fell

[spring pecan]

the drums in 1053 looke similar to enels drums on the double page with the fireworks exploding. it foreshadows the explosion of the moon to stop vegeta from turning into big ape mode

[compact herald]

Notice how Icebarg literally says "opposing force" here in case "the existing weapons are REVIVED" these are indicators that the blueprints MENTIONED in water 7 are in fact for weapon to COUNTER Pluton not directly confirming that it IS pluton itself, and if you think about this now you'll come to realize that maybe with time the 'defining' characteristic that pluton is a ship has been distorted through time? Let's turn to Zunesha shall we? What is Zunesha called? An Island, when it is in fact a living thing, WHAT IF and again this as WHAT IF Zunesha was basically treated as a ship because he CARRIES people ACROSS the ocean, and we already saw that Zunesha CAN be really hurt by cannon fire, and perhaps the blueprints mentioned in water 7 are for a ship capable of killing Zunesha? Again theorizing contextual clues

[stark path]

What if the Sunny was actually a pluton though? Franky did have the knowledge

[eternal dove]

I am on similar opinion on this to be honest.

[stark path]

That would make sense cuz they'd need measures of fighting back if original one falls into wrong hands

[compact herald]

And in that context recall that Zunesha is stated to have committed some sort of betrayal so there is precedent for this

[eternal dove]

Franky has always been good in building Warships though. but Franky probably put some ideas on Sunny itself with the blueprints he had.

[zinc iris]

some of that technology might have been integrated, but overall a warship that powerful is probably way bigger than what the sunny currently is

[restive iron]

What if Bonney was a revolutionary and Kuma taught her how to fight and that's why she was sad to see him suffering and their plan was to have Kuma infiltrate the government and marijois and after that she would use her fruit to revert him back to before he was a cyborg?

[sand halo]

luffy= sun god
dragon= rain god
ryokyugo/green bull= forest god
???= earth god
maybe, maybe not. seems plausible tho with the introduction of god esc devil fruits and the world government hiding their identity

the backup for this seems faily obvious, luffys has just awakened to gear 5, nika.
dragons was on his first introduction on chp 100, started to rain on the island, and dragon so happened to be there to save luffy from smoker. Could be coincidence, maybe not tho.
green bull, I mean his name kinda hits towards that, as all the admirals colours resemble the colour of the devil fruit power, at least that’s what first came to mind, also in the latest chapter he’s seen helicoptering towards wano with some dandelion plant thing.
not sure on the earth aspect atm. might do some more looking or just wait

to follow on after reading the new chp, ya know how luffys df is nika, but takes the property of rubber cause of the freedom and what not.
what if green bulls df is god forest, so like source of life. That why his df can absorb nutrients- or life? And maybe he can give nutrients (life) aswell?
bit of a stretch maybe. just thought I’d put here

[stark path]

I'm still trying to figure out what was Bonney's purpose at reverie, her being Kuma's daughter might be the reason

[fiery cliff]

Im could be earth god and he created the grand line (?)

[sturdy pollen]

bonney seems to hate akainu for some reason, maybe she showed up at reverie to discredit him or something

[fiery cliff]

There low-key is a theory as well for Bonney to be Annie, the second roger’s descendant. Rouge had saved 2 children not one by having them for 20 months. But I personally wouldn’t take it for good

[tranquil ravine]

Enel/Moon I think will play a big role later. Esp w/ the nika/sun and moon references. Also, Enel has a lot of front page attention - and the technology on the moon might help play a role, e.g. shifting moons' orbit and making tidal and tectnonic forces to break barriers of grand line and making all blue

[stark path]

All we know so far is that she's connected to Kuma and hates Akainu, which makes me think she had a relationship of some kind with Ace

[distant cedar]

I always figured Bonny was tied to the revolutionaries

[tranquil estuary]

man I feel like this chapter confirmed Enel in wano theory.

https://cdn.readdetectiveconan.com/file/mangap/2/11053000/14.png

[tranquil ravine]

how so - the drums?

[stark path]

wait a minute, after Marineford Bonney said she's gonna track somebody down and go to new world, does she mean Vegapunk? Is he stationed in the new world?

[late token]

I think Bonny is way older than we all are made to believe. She is probably the mom of Kuma or some shit

[idle crown]

https://twitter.com/mugiw4raa/status/1537812837040590849?s=21&t=PYs2ac4O7y_aY8RKt2OnGQ

Se♱h (@MUGIW4RAA)

#ONEPIECE1053 #ONEPIECE

—THEORY—

The connection between these four Pirates

Twitter · Jun 17, 2022, 3:02 PM

[fair nest]

I know but like did he just come out of nowhere or like was there foreshadowing somewhere because I don’t remember there being some?

[stark path]

It's honestly funny how current vs old yonko reflect each other. Majority of older yonkos were related to Rocks and then there's Shanks, former apprentice on Roger's ship. Now there are 3 yonkos that are related to Roger and BB who might be related to Rocks in some way

[gaunt cliff]

I saw a volume cover I think it was, of the 4 current Yonko. Oda really has an A+ foreshadowing game 😂 also, why do I get the feeling that Buggy, Shanks and Luffy would somehow team up against Blackbeard?

[stark path]

could be true, we also dont even know what was the "prize" he wanted to get before the navy, but a teamup vs BB might be possible

[distant cedar]

I don’t mind that theory that kidd is the son of captain John. I really do think that captain johns treasure needs some payoff, maybe it’s the reason Buggy became an emperor

[formal marsh]

Turns out that captain john was an acholic that spend all his gold in liquor

[warm edge]

What we know about Shanks, and why he can't be trusted;

• He knew about the Gum-Gum fruit (or at least that's what we known it being as) and that the WG had a special ship transferring it.
• He was born and probably found around God Valley incident.
• Got his scar by BB, timeframe unknown while fighting the world strongest swordsman and remained unharmed (scars etc)
• THE GOROSEI, let him talk to them - "ONLY BECAUSE ITS YOU, WE MADE TIME"
• Shanks warned everyone, especially whitebeard about BLACKBEARD.

"What did you come all the way here for?"
"Considering your status, you should stay away from politics."
"Since it's you, we made time"

Shanks definitely had interaction with the WG before, some might say he is a world noble but I wouldn't say so.
Shanks was born around God Valley incident and joined Roger's crew when he was really young and they did say "it's been a while since we held a baby(prolly shanks)".
Shanks could be Xebec's son, or any other connection to the WG.

Shanks definitely knows shit, He tried to gain something or save certain someone during Marineford, Why does he care if some pirates or marines die?
Luffy was basically rescued before he arrived.
Shanks left his hat for Luffy until he became A GREAT PIRATE (Joy Boy?)

[sand sail]

None of what you listed is a reason Shanks can't be trusted.

And half of it is just other assumptions we don't actually know

[warm edge]

I ain't saying he a bad guy, we just can't trust him for all we know

[sand sail]

Yeah, that's probably not correct

There's no actual reason not to trust him

[warm edge]

Well we can't trust him as well with all this information, which we can assume or half of it is true.... and the 1m cooldown smh

[sand sail]

No, you've listed nothing there that suggests that Shanks can't be trusted

Worse, he's an Emperor with an exorbitant bounty who's attacked the World Government directly before

[pure raven]

I get what you're saying but we can trust what he says but he never tells us the complete storie, for example: how Rookie BB managed to scar an emperor with a 4B berrie bounty

[sand sail]

The best thing you possibly listed was that the Gorosei were okay giving him an audience, which...really still doesn't say much. He's a sovereign who isn't a war mongering psychopath, after all.

That's not a story Shanks has told anyone, that's not us not getting the full story. Blackbeard also wouldn't have been a rookie, and Shanks was far, far from an Emperor when Blackbeard scarred him.

[formal marsh]

Is there any timeline with the God Valley incident and Shanks age? Also, Gorosei talk about their status, it might simply imply being a Yonko. Among want you said, only the fact that his objective during Mariford events are weird, he seems to try to avoid the massacre but at the same time he seems half-assed at it

[sand sail]

He gets there and challenges both sides of the war to a fight tho

[warm edge]

Shanks was around 1years old when God Valley incident happened.

[pure raven]

He wouldn't be a "Rookie" but nobody can tell us how someone like him is capable of scarring shanks

[sand sail]

Because he's strong?

There's no real mystery there

[warm edge]

Exactly, Shanks got a scar by a rookie BB, so he knows something might be up as he tried to warn a lot of people about BB
Also that might have happened when they were both young

[sand sail]

Shanks hasn't been some supreme prodigy, it's not like he was Kaido growing up.

Guys, if Blackbeard was a rookie

Shanks was also a rookie

[formal marsh]

we don't know the timeline of that scar, it could have happened 1y after the Romance Dawn events, or just 2 years ago (before Luffy started his voyage)

[sand sail]

They went into piracy at almost the same time

Stop characterizing it like Shanks was an Emperor already, they were equal in status as pirates, Shanks just had his own crew.

[sand sail]

No, it couldn't have. Shanks has the scars before Luffy eats the Gomu Gomu. It happened over 12 years ago

[shrewd vapor]

so how did bb get a scar on shanks before eating the fruit again?

[formal marsh]

Did it ? Ohh thought he didn't back then, sorry

[pure raven]

He is pretty weak. Just look at the marineford ark he got his ass beat by a demented old man

[sand sail]

Because he's strong? Why is this a question? He got a scar on him because Blackbeard is a powerful pirate who was going out of his way to hide his strength for years. That's why Shanks warns Whitebeard about him, because no one noticed except Shanks that it was happening since he's the one who fought him.

There's no big mystery to it, Blackbeard's always been strong.

[formal marsh]

What ? BB was always strong. He was nominated for second division commander, he just always rejected it

[sand sail]

He was only nominated once and it was only by Ace lol

But yeah, he was strong enough to hold it, he just didn't want to

[pure raven]

Even tho with his theory, it makes Marco stronger then BB

[sand sail]

Marco doesn't factor into it at all, no

[pure raven]

He mentioned the second devision specifically. So he's bassicly implying that a higher division has a stronger captain

[sand sail]

Nope, Whitebeard's divisions aren't about power at all.

[ashen laurel]

Anyone reckon Shanks is a D Clan member because of the panel of 1053

[pure raven]

Watch it be buggy

[ashen laurel]

lol

[formal marsh]

which panel ?

[ashen laurel]

last page

[formal marsh]

what in there makes you think Shanks is a D. ?

[dark inlet]

Theory: Buggy may have awakened his devil fruit which may have given him an insane boost which may be what got him to yonko status.

[modest skiff]

@lean canopy @median hemlock please don't use this channel for brief thoughts. Read the channel description

[sand sail]

This is a comment for #manga or #also-manga guys ^

[pure raven]

And what if he managed to beat a buster call with kizaru on it. That would actually explain his emperor title

[dark inlet]

Tbh I don’t rly want either

[dark inlet]

Yep cause there would be no other way for him to become yonko as even though he was under roger he was only a apprentice and most of the feats he had were off other ppl and they don’t base those off who becomes yonko so that would be the possible explanation.

[sand sail]

guys, take it to another manga channel please. This isn't a theory for this channel.

[dark inlet]

How come, this is a theory channel right?

[pure raven]

^

[sand sail]

For thought out, long form theories, yes. Not one liners that are just musing about the last chapter.

Go to #manga please.

[pure raven]

Okama Lieutenant Boomer

[dark inlet]

Well it was gonna be a long thought out theory as there was going to be a full on discussion about it ;-;.

[ashen surge]

Not really sure how we are going to end up there but I think that either Buggy will be one of the final 1v1's for Usopp or they will form the ultimate tag team of two mythical individuals who just somehow happen to fail forward and people from the audience watch in a fucking awe while Morgans writes his ultimate war story of the century.

[dark inlet]

But Ima jus forget about it and move on

[sand sail]

That's not how it works, this channel is for actual drawn out theories. Not one liners that can spark a casual discussion, you can take it to #manga or #also-manga .

[polar shell]

ok

[sand halo]

so anyways, what u guys think?

[sand sail]

The World Government hid the identity of exactly one fruit, the Nika fruit, for very obvious reasons

[hot heart]

buggy might have a short conflict with the straw hats, but Buggy is clearly setup to be a 'team mate' during the final war. so I doubt it'd be near the final final - but pre-final yh, could see something akin to it occuring - particularly the second bit where they form tag team, which could then create legends in the final final.

[stark path]

Buggy will be the ally for sure, why would he ally himself with the WG that just doesnt make any sense

[hot heart]

i can imagine a possible final war over one piece, and that doesn't necessitate Buggy having to choose to fight against the WG out right

[steel anchor]

Crocodile is earth god

[weary hornet]

what if greenbull came to wano to take robin? we may see robin try protecting herself, but failing. this may cause luffy to declare war on the world government again, but instead he fights alongside the revolutionary army. the strawhats getting back robin, the revolutionaries getting back sabo.

[lyric berry]

We already know his primary purpose is to take out luffy now for akainus approval

[bitter helm]

Hey think about this if Blackbeard has the darkness fruit and luffy has the sun God nica fruit, sun gives light to defeat darkness so luffy has a upper hand fighting him with also Haki, ryou

[quasi steppe]

There's already been speculation that Buggy was the pirate Shanks talked about with the gorosei. Now I'm starting to wonder if that's true, what did he exactly tell them about Buggy to justify him being such a danger to the World Government.
Jump back to Impel Down and Marine Forge arc where Luffy gave Buggy Captain John's bracelet from the Rox crew that was a map to his lost treasure. What if Shank knew what the bracelet was as well, and that Buggy finally found Captain Johns treasure and it has information on the One Piece itself, or how to find Laugh Tale, making him just as dangerous as Robin or anyone else with a poneglyph?

[pure raven]

I highly doubt it. Buggy is a meme char. Shanks is more likely talking about bb. Think about it shanks and buggy are friends and shanks has no reason ever to think buggy is gonna be a threat. Like finding the op is dangerous don’t get me wrong but why only bring up buggy then bring up Robin or smth. Like bb is super infamous now he has two fruits and shanks has always been weary about him Ig anyone has smth with bb it’s shanks

[quasi steppe]

True. BB definitely is the most likely person he was talking about. Especially since BB has to have been making big moves during the Wano arc we just don’t know about yet. Just trying to think of a justified reason Buggy became a Yonko specifically at this time besides being a gag by Oda 😂

[pure raven]

He’s a gag char that is basically doflamingo but better in terms of yonko rq

[fair escarp]

I always thought that Shanks was talking about Luffy. I wonder if Rayleigh told shanks the true history of the void century as well as the prophecy from fish man island. Putting the two together he may conclude that Luffy would be the one to challenge the entire world order. I think Shanks main goal is world balance. But your idea of him talking about bb could be possible

[pure raven]

I doubt that also like why is shanks helping the wg vs Luffy. He’s only Luffys side. He helped him hella like in mf itself he could have let Luffy die if he didn’t intervene. And like he gave up his arm for him nah

[fair escarp]

That’s true. I just find it odd that if the WG knew that the gomu gomu fruit was that Nika fruit why wait this long to kill him. Like after Doflamingo was defeated they had the perfect chance to kill Luffy. Why was it after Shanks said I have to discuss about a certain pirate did they all of a sudden give CP0 to order to kill Luffy when CP0 was there in dressrosa if I remember correctly. Something seems odd to me. Granted I could be overthinking it

[pure raven]

Idk about that like really look at the ppl they send to Luffy its a lot. Pre ts its 2 admirals 3 if you count Akainu in mf. And they gather every vice admiral for his first bounty his first ever. In post fuji and now gb are going for him. They even buster call him

[tawny leaf]

the cloud that shows up after luffys first bounty shown (30,000,000) in the anime looks like the clouds around luffy in gear 5 (bounty 3,000,000,000) can't really show it tho

[jolly folio]

I think I get what’s happening, WG is always trying to control what’s being printed. Newspaper guy wants to get the news out there before WG tries to change things, therefore there’s literally no time to fact check or put too much thought into what’s being printed. He just wants people to know what happened as fast as possible, the yonko order and bounties might change later, but the immediate news of kaido and big mom being defeated had to get out there. Pretty sure news guy might get captured by the WG.

[hasty cairn]

i saw this as a joke on instagram but what if shanks went to marie jois to tell the gorosei about buggy, so he could troll him

oh it has already been posted here bruh

[slender fulcrum]

• Fruit never awakened in a span of 800 years
• They thought it was a legend so they didn't really mind it. Just trying to secure the fruit just in case the legend was true.
• Didn't want to attract unnecessary attention on the gomu gomu
  Only thing they do know, is that something was required to awaken the fruit and they seemed certain Luffy was about to do it for some unknown obscure reasons.

[split dagger]

I just han a theory.

I think why the world government wants to "capture" wano, so in the last chapter we discovered that pluton is in wano we also know that pluton is a battle ship, pluton is an ancient weapon, if the world government had an ancient weapon in their hands they would get a lot stronger , and his a fucking battle ship perfect for the marines

Some one in the marines knows how to read poneglyth, and where was the Pluton poneglyth? Alabasta

When Luffy defeated crocodile the marines probably found the poneglyth and needed to wait for kaido to get defeated some how

Luffy will have an ancient weapon, Neptune, the marines will have pluton and the revolutionary army probably has the last one

[lapis panther]

The „didn‘t want to attract attention“ part is BIG. With Luffy you can never know what kind of protection he has, he‘s the son of the worlds most wanted man, who happens to already have helped him out in a pinch by himself. If they had put too much attention on Luffy, that might have been too obvious.

[stoic hound]

I think it's also the fact that they could control sea stone if they had all of that

Where do y'all think the 4th poneglyph is?

[lapis panther]

Did I miss the 3rd? I think one Road Porneglyph might be with Shanks and BB each.

[stoic hound]

1. Zou
2. Big Mom
3. I remember it was stated Kaido had this one, although I might be wrong (Since it was in Wano in Oden's backstory and Kaido occupied the land)

[scenic thicket]

buggy is considered a threat to the WG bc he can chop up the red line

[pure raven]

mihawk is related to imu since his eyes are supposed to be red but are not fr

[coral lynx]

I'm pretty sure some people said this already but I think the pirate Shanks talked about was Buggy and tried to get him Yonko status. Since Warlord System was abolished, I think he wanted a way  to protect his friend from being chased by the WG. I don't think WG try to openly pursue Yonkos right?

[stark path]

People really look too much into the eyes, dont think Mihawk has anything to do with Imu

[pure raven]

his eyes arent orange

the anime fucked him up

[fair jay]

Shanks has it, maybe elbaf, or Lodestar island

[stark path]

Confirmed locations are Wano,Zou and WCI, the last one was at Fishman Island but my head canon was that Kuma teleported it away somewhere so it wasnt as obvious

[stoic hound]

I hope elbaf or shanks tbh, lodestar having it wouldn't make too muchh sense

[signal condor]

is there a sabo theory?

[fair jay]

It could, possibly. I mean, it’s a ghost island at this point. However it’s most likely it’s at god valley

[stoic hound]

Aren't you still able to reach lodestar island by log pose? Dogstorm confirmed, I think

[slender fulcrum]

sounds likely since there are living people there and a town

[fair jay]

Yes, Sabo got framed for killing Cobra. Was taken to impel down where he awaits his execution.

[signal condor]

oh shit

[slender fulcrum]

He's not capture. You saw him on broadcast in the last chapters and he seems alive and well. My theory is that he was framed for cobra but managed to flee with Vivi, and they are both telling everyone that the WG assassinated Cobra

[stark path]

Well the last chapter deconfirmed that, turns out he wasnt captured to begin with, but yes he could've been framed of kidnapping Vivi and killing Cobra

[fair jay]

Yes you are. @slender fulcrum There aren’t any towns or people living there lol.

[slender fulcrum]

true, my mind mixed up because I thought they left shanks and buggy there

[fair jay]

The last chapter didn’t deconfirm it, all we saw was an image of him, that could aswell have been a bounty poster. Also if sabo didn’t end up getting captured, I don’t see why Dadan and Makino would be crying, and Iva/Dragon would be so stressed out

[stark path]

Well what if it was the opposite? Imagine he freed a country and became a hero?

[slender fulcrum]

Remember that what they read on the journal was not the truth, it was a fabrication of Morgan that the Marine tried to hide out.

[fair jay]

Nah, it wasn’t Lodestar

[stoic hound]

Didn't morgan just straight up still leaked the real info? (Just like with G5 lol)

[slender fulcrum]

I'm not sure it was the real info, but something he made up , that was not the version the marine tried to pass up, but not the truth eitherway

[primal cargo]

Morgans refused to alter the facts in this particular instance, leading to a CP agent holding him at gunpoint and the WEJ going on the run

[fair jay]

That makes no sense.

[slender fulcrum]

I meant maybe he didn't get the right information, and it was not the marine version too, but decided to publish the one that didnt come from the marine, who's not true either. I'm trying to find the panels

My bet it that Morgan did wrote that Sabo kidnapped Vivi, which is why everyone is surprised reading the news

[stark path]

It does if you think about it

[modest skiff]

Please don't post low effort one liners like this in this channel in the future. Please read the channel description

[umbral creek]

when the warlords disbanded and then were forced to fight against the government they eventually through a series of coincidences convened on one point. out of convivence they decided to team up. Mihawk not wanting to lead immediately voted against himself. Baikan and Boa voted against eachother.

But then Buggy's crew in an attempt to be "helpful" noted that buggy was "friends" with both luffy and shanks so mihawk and boa threw their vote behind him.

[steep crow]

Out of all the warlords, do any know of Luffy's connection to Shanks?

[sturdy pollen]

buggy did

[umbral creek]

Mihawk

[sturdy pollen]

hancock possibly as well

[umbral creek]

Hancock did not. Unless Rayleigh told her

[sturdy pollen]

luffy may have mentioned it at one point though

[stark path]

Buggy and Mihawk, open possibilities for Boa and Jinbei

[stark path]

I think most logical solution is that Mihawk teamed up with Shanks or imo it could be that he's just so strong he doesnt need to ally with anyone

[umbral creek]

It’s luffy

[umbral creek]

But it’s funnier if he decided to start calling buggy captain

[stark path]

I agree but he doesnt seem like the type to follow someone else other than Shanks but yet again this is Oda we're talking about and I would not be surprised if Mihawk teamed up with Buggy lol

[umbral creek]

Mihawk doesn’t actually listen to buggy, he just hangs around doing what he normally does since he can’t just fuck around by himself anymore

[steep crow]

So about the Gorosei being upset about printing the "D" initial on a wanted poster. It wouldn't be Luffy because it has always been on his wanted poster. And its not printed on Law's poster either, so it can't be him. Could Sabo have the "D" initial as well? He's 100% getting a new wanted poster after Mariejois, assuming he escaped.

[signal condor]

don’t think sabo would have D initial seeing where his family comes from but could be up for debate

[novel scroll]

Opening Wano border might not just a figure of speech, as in making the country more accessible to the outside world. But when the country border is opened, Wano will undergo a literal physical change and show its true nature.

We know that Pluton is a battle ship, that's why Franky has blueprint of it. What if the whole island is a battle ship, that's what Pluton is, or rather, that's what Wano is.

Wano has a lot of relation with Thriller Bark. It's where the first time Wano is mentioned, also the first mentioned of Kaido and Ryuma.

Isn't it interesting how Thriller Bark is a ship made out of an Island and where Oars, an ancient giant, is shown to be navigating the ship.

There is a legend of the continent puller, a race of ancient giant that pulls continent. The skull in Onigashima is a skull of a continent puller. Maybe that's how the battleship moves.

[modest skiff]

This is excellent. I wonder if Momo would be able to move the ship similar to how Kaido moved Onigashima

[foggy glacier]

Mihawk, probably. He brought Luffy's first bounty poster to Shanks.

[umbral gull]

Buggy I think knows

[long wind]

how bad do u guys think the world outside of wano is currently? according to green bull anyway

[hot heart]

revolutionary vs WG + reverie stuff

[random sequoia]

Are you Oda in disguise? This is fire

[novel scroll]

Maybe Zou will move the ship now that he is in Wano

[steep crow]

My guesses:

1. Rounding up the Warlords was a failure - Buggy is now a Yonkou, maybe he lucked his way into leading the former warlords?
2. Revolutionaries reeked havoc at Reverie - Celestial Dragons are freaking out, causing a headache for WG
3. Two of Blackbeard's rivals just got defeated, he may move for more territory and poneglyphs

[long wind]

really makes u wonder, if blackbeard is on the move and has been on the move even before marineford, tf has shanks been doing since forever?

[steep crow]

also if Kaido and Big Mom are dead (they've been submerged lava for how long now??), then 2 uber powerful devil fruits are somewhere out in the world.

[slow sapphire]

Zoros introduction was about him not being able to eat while Morgan had him tied up. He will fight green bull.

[novel scroll]

It will be fire if it become true haha

[leaden vale]

I just realised in the whole chapter we never see Ryokugyu's left eye, either that be due to him wearing sunglasses or his hair being in front of it, then that's quite light but still interesting choice of composition, especially with the theories about his relation to Zoro and Zoro also having a closed left eye.

[slow sapphire]

If wano is a ship like thriller Bark and that is what the Pluton is, I think momo controlling it could be Uranus. And if the sea kings need to be involved then there’s Poseidon.

[copper oriole]

Buggy has somehow amassed either some kind of powerful weapon or immense wealth allowing him to buy up really strong mercenaries using Captain Johns treasure that he was able to find from Luffys bracelet

[steep crow]

Captain Johns treasure is still a huge unknown! Buggy has had years to find it and with Johns ties to Rocks crew it could be anything. I always assumed it was a poneglyph.\

[left elbow]

Could Captain John's treasure be Uranus?

[pure raven]

Maybe idk how John would die tho like these weapon arr@like super strong

[left elbow]

Maybe he chose to hide it for a reason

[valid lance]

Ok so what if joyboy and luffy are the same person like not just fruits but actually like joyboy is luffy you can’t tell me it’s not possible tint travel Is possible in one piece so couldn’t this happen at the end like what if Rayleigh didn’t help luffy cause he thought he was like roger but he knew luffy was joyboy from laughtale so he helped him so he can make it to laughtale and roger named it laughtale because the one piece is just a picture of luffy and his crew

[teal ivy]

Is it true that Blackbeard captured Vegapunk ? or am I forgetting stuff ?

Do we know where Vegapunk is now?

[valid lance]

No and no

[upper lagoon]

so pluton is on wano, do you think BM and kiado got knock down were pluton is?

[carmine idol]

I need thoughts on Sabo sksksis he alive, is he dead?!

[whole geode]

He is presumed to be alive,but his whereabouts are Unknown

[carmine idol]

Ah okie 👌

[pure raven]

Why?

[sand stratus]

Buggy started the next war

[lime robin]

I have a feeling that Aokiji will show up

[latent oar]

He’s with BlackBeard, I think it’s too soon for BB to show up against Luffy, at least not right after the fight against 2 Yonkou. Also he’s heading to some places related to Sabo rn (after reading news about Sabo he made the decision to go after something before the WG get it)

[jade hatch]

theory: Luffy will ask Greenbull if he poops, in response, Greenbull will be embarassed and leave.

[pure raven]

Is it true that aokiji is a member of blackbeard now 😂😂

[jolly folio]

@pure raven yup

[pure raven]

Was this hint through manga aur anime I couldn’t notice it i think 💭

[latent oar]

Well it’s in manga for me, I haven’t watched anime since Dressrosa, Marine mentioned it and Sakazuki neglected that right away

[pure raven]

Any idea what could that thing be ?!

[latent oar]

My guessing is Sabo’s death, and BB will head for Mera Mera no mi before WG get it (DF will show up near there after owner die). Ofc this time Sabo would likely fake his death (Oda won’t be that cruel imo)

[pure raven]

Yup as it was there target since dressrosa

[stoic hound]

Is there anything special about mera mera no mi? I just figured it was a good logia and that's it

[latent oar]

That’s one of the original element along with water, wind and earth. How strong would that be if you can manipulate fire

[stoic hound]

Makes sense ig, I just find it pretty normal

[pure raven]

Well blackbeard knows a hell lot about devil fruit and there prowers it might be something that many people didn’t know

[latent oar]

He clearly knows how powerful some DF that deal massive dmg are, specifically after his whole crews got screw by 1 attack from Magellan, that’s why BB is called DF hunter

[stoic hound]

In any case, I hope Sabo doesn't die or there isn't another marineford 2.0

[pure raven]

They might fight against WG with revolutionary

[latent oar]

Death is just something Oda used to ignite power ever since then. Ace’s death is crucial for Luffy in order to grow up (we don’t have that much funny vibes after Time Skip). Rn Luffy is fully grown and I see no reason to let Sabo die. If it’s just to commence a war then Sabo being captured is more than enough.

[pure raven]

In the reverie the king of arabasta (cobra) died right ?! Because crocodile thought that pluton is there so did the WG

[dusty olive]

Hey anyone else think the world nobles hairstyle makes them look like fish?

Is there any theories related to connections between them and legends of fish gods with human faces?

[hazy frigate]

Human feces

[teal ivy]

Don’t you guys think Buggy becoming an emperor is bad. If we’re be realistic he is weak, won’t that make him an easy prey for BB

[rancid linden]

His crew though might be giga op. Like if he has people equal in power to katakuri, king, Marco, lucky roo and all those below him then even though he is weak he is still a power

[slender oak]

Amen 🙏🙏

[hazy frigate]

But he doesn't have anyone like that, the strongest members were giants ..but they left and joined luffy's grand fleet

[rancid linden]

Well we don't fully know as we haven't seen his true crew. Like I assume his crew defeated the entire fleet and with his notoriety he has been given the position of yonko. Like we know shanks crew is strong because of his position. So we have to imagine buggies crew is too

[slender oak]

We don’t know, he might’ve recruited some other people in the 2 months that we were in Wano for. And is also Buggy so he might’ve just gotten insanely lucky.

[hazy frigate]

Yes we don't know whatever happened, but back then giants were his strongest members, buggy himself said that, i think all Warlords made him the figure head and joined him

[slender oak]

That is super unlikely, all the warlords were probably far away from each other and is unlikely they all were brought in to the same place (except for impel down but no one is escaping that) Mihawk and Hancock will 100% not join. Hancock hates any men and Mihawk likes to be independent, Kuma is still stuck as a salve, the only possibility is Weevil but I still think Buggy prob just had some dumb luck to make him a Yonko