manga-theories

[pure raven]

I’m ngl to you it’s prob just the fact op wasn’t supposed to go on this late

[scarlet minnow]

Well I mean oda had most of the story down since the beginning. He probably knew that luffys fruit was the hito hito and not gum gum. If it was literally just the gum gum fruit then Shanks wouldn't have had any doubt in saving luffy and he probably wouldn't have gave up his arm.

[pure raven]

I feel like luffy has won this fight against kaido and that cp-0 will capture kaido and after that vegapunk is going to conduct experiments on kaido and make something stronger than kaido to fight against luffy

I hope not like kaido has made his full arc

[bitter cave]

bruh, Oda didn`t plan all this. He literally snowballed the story and still is

[pure raven]

Like anything on top is just unnecessary

[hollow basin]

There's a few things that make Shanks feel a bit ominous to me, he is probably using Luffy in some way

[elder summit]

Imo shanks is the son of im who left mariejois because he wasn't okay with all that was happening to the world

[dusky notch]

What's all the fuss abt 1052 trending in twitter

[sand sail]

This isn't the place to ask

[pure raven]

No offense, but with the spoilers channel closed off where is the place if anywhere? Seems rather a confining statement to say. If he can't discuss it at all in the server just say it.

[dawn thorn]

#spoilers are closed until leaks occur for the next chapter again, and next time please ask small questions like this in #manga or #also-manga

[pure raven]

Thanks I’m not the one you should be saying that to anyhow @dusky notch you heard em

[dusky notch]

Thanks for speaking up for me nakama 🙌🏻.. I heard em

[pure raven]

The crocodile is luffys mother got me wanting to hang myself

[mild pendant]

This actually sounds like it can be a thing

[bitter cave]

I feel like one piece has very few power systems compared to other shounen anime

[sacred hawk]

Am I the only one who thought Kaido's desire to die really is just a hobby as the intro box said?

[sand sail]

This isn't really the channel to ask about it, but no, it's telling us that's his hobby there. Everyone should have been thinking it.

[sacred hawk]

Because, not only did his desire to die never come up again, but all the things he's done don't really coincide with goal like suicide. Someone who wants to kill themselves doesn't take over a country, build up a military, and monopolize a weapons market

[hollow basin]

So this image from the anime feels insanely important and might hint that Shanks is evil

[sacred hawk]

Yeah, but a lot of people thought it was his main motivation. Which to be fair, given that it was several years between his introduction and the start of Wano, that was kind of the only characterization he got.

[lost trellis]

it kinda just hints that he's extremely important like everyone else surrounding him. He's red cause that's his color. Oden wasn't evil, neither was roger

[sand sail]

You guys can take both of those topics to #manga-serious

These aren't theories

[hollow basin]

So the thing about colours in visual media is that they often have meaning. Not only that, but the symbolism of each colour lines up perfectly with the characters.

Green = growth and renewal (his son literally grew up and is about to renew Wano)
Blue = freedom, imagination, trust, loyalty, wisdom etc (no explanation needed)
Gold (specifically GOLD and not yellow) = superiority (pirate king)
Purple = mystery (no explanation needed)
Red = danger (can also mean love but highly doubt that is the symbolism they'd go for here)

Also note Shanks is the only legend not smiling.

[lost trellis]

I see your point but let's take this to #manga-serious

[hollow basin]

Who was this aimed at?

[sand sail]

All three of you

[lost trellis]

ahhh

[tiny ocean]

He just seems powerful like the rest on that pic. they gave roger and WB an evil look too tbh

[hollow basin]

read the explanation underneath pls

[scenic thicket]

i’m kinda wondering if Imu ate a spear fruit

[silver sphinx]

a spear fruit?

[pure raven]

Wb and oden are good ppl? And Roger

[echo jetty]

They are good people at heart but theyve done alot of bad

[pure raven]

What bad did wb do

[echo jetty]

Uh.. i have no answer

[sand sail]

#manga-serious guys

[scenic thicket]

he’s pointy. i got the idea from don krieg bc he was talking up the type of steel his armor was which reminded me of Wapol

there’s parallels with Ghin/Bellamy and Kreig/Doffy

[fathom matrix]

What if Luffy ends up recovering way too fast and Chopper's shocked by this, as well as everyone else.

Chopper might make an off comment saying "The only devil fruit users with this fast recovery are zoan types...wait, don't tell me Luffy's a zoan user" but he probably get cut off and they suggest it doesn't make any sense.

But we could see them say that Luffy did look different when his head went through the wall. Saying it wasn't just giant, but his eyes changed and his hair was white. In fact Yamato and Monosuke would further back this up, saying he started turning the ground into rubber, turning into a giant, and started moving and morphing like one of those picture book characters.

They wonder if Luffy's fruit really is a zoan, and Jinbei might bring up how Who's Who was CP agent that got sent to be tortured in prison for failing to protect it.

Luffy might not care, but the crew might start to wonder more about what Luffy's fruit really is

[hollow basin]

When did i say they were bad? Pls read my message below the image (there was a gap because of slow mode)

[pure raven]

Unless you posted it really back I can’t see anything besides you saying he might use Luffy and the coloring?

[hollow basin]

Yes the use of colouring in that scene could possibly suggest that he is evil

[pure raven]

Why? Like why that coloring what’s off about it?

[hollow basin]

Read this message

[pure raven]

Idk I think red can mean a lot like red is in Luffy who is super free? Same thing for Roger and wb thinks himself pretty highly look at the scene where he talks with shanks or at the start of mf

Like wb is the least representative of freedom of that list like it’s not apart of his arc nearly as much as others

[hollow basin]

Loyalty, freedom and inspiration (another thing that blue symbolises) is a huge part of WB's characters. All characters line up with their colour except Shanks. Red means danger, he is directly behind Luffy, could mean he is a danger to Luffy. Idk what is hard to get there.

[pure raven]

How is freedom more for wb then Roger who wants to be king to be the freest person wouldn’t he be freest and what does wb have to do with freedom it’s more about family with him and like Luffy also uses red but he’s more like blue in this argument with freedoms like I disagree with your explanations for the colors as they don’t fit in the broader narrative and even in this they don’t fit very well

[hollow basin]

Why make (GOL D.) Roger blue when Gold symbolises superiority, which makes much more sense for Roger than any other character there, as he was pirate king. And his name is literally GOLD

[pure raven]

No his name is gol d Roger he literally states how much he dislikes being called gold like the wg does as a over and like wb also thinks super highly of himself like very highly. And he only wants to be king due to the fact of freedom not for superiority same for Luffy who wears red not blue

[hollow basin]

Why not make whitebeard white because his title says white? Because white symbolises innocence and purity, which Whitebeard is not.

[idle monolith]

You odas child or sm

[pure raven]

Or

Gold can symbolises :-

Wealth:- as gold is usually indicarive of weath

Fame :- gold medals etc

Power :- gold usually represnts the best in terms of prowess

Also gold symbolises royaltiy (golden crown) as so "pirate king"

[frozen current]

Hello any good theories?

Okay so I had this mad theory that zoro doesn't have a 2nd eye. Oda has already introduced us to 2 power systems and i don't think (especially when us reaching the end ) that he is gonna add another power system related to eyes. Zoro's 2nd eye being gone was just so that people can be reminded that the previous owner of "shusui" was a 1 eyes swordsman. And no other reason, is what I think. So let's not look forward to another power system

[drowsy isle]

Its false because ONCE and only ONCE he opened it and we got to see it.

[frozen current]

Wait when?
Did he open it when defeating king?
Shi I must have missed it
Can you specify when he opens it?@drowsy isle

[drowsy isle]

Yes, he opened it during the middle of the fight with king

[frozen current]

Thaaanks

[drowsy isle]

np

[sand sail]

Zoro never opened his eye during the fight with King.

[frozen current]

Yes I just noticed
I read the entire fight again and I didn't see it too

[sand sail]

The original scans that came out of the fight were a little bit dirty and you could almost mistake it, but that was never the case, he doesn't open his eye at any point in the fight.

[frozen current]

Yesss
Just to make sure I googled it too and I just saw random theories about it. But not in a single panel has zoro opened his eye

[drowsy isle]

???

[lean pine]

After wano the yonko system will be replaced with a 5 emperor system

[safe snow]

What's the current system??

[pure raven]

So goko?

[worthy sinew]

I think the entire system of emperors will be gone
Or it's a three emperor system

[lunar shell]

Make sense. Since they’r only three left.. wait..

[bitter cave]

bruh, luffy on his way to overthrow all the emperors so he will be the ichko?

[hollow basin]

ty for the backup I don't think it was getting through to the guy lmao

[pure raven]

For the readers non

But imagine you are a regular citizen minding your business nad suddenly you hear that wb is coming to your town

He doesn't looks so nice now does he?

[lean pine]

New emperors will be declared

[pure raven]

Wb had a decent rep in a lot of places bc he offered free protection

Shanks literally saves a random kid and lets his arm bit off for it

[bitter cave]

who

[lunar shell]

Ok but by then BB and Shanks will be out no ? Humm I guesd we will see

[runic osprey]

Shanks definitely is protecting blackbeard for some reason

[tiny ocean]

to be fair they picked orange/gold for a pirate known as "gold roger". they picked a pretty light/cold colour on a black background for someone whos called whitebeard. They picked red for someone whos alias is literally "Red Haired Shanks".

[pure raven]

Yea by that logic they are picking colors by palettes which makes way more sense then like coordinating them with themes

[long wind]

wait so if Yamato joins the crew, does that unofficially confirm we're a long way til the end of one piece? wouldn't make much sense for her to document the latter end of the new pirate king's journey

[proud tree]

chopper should have noticed that not normal regeneration speed of Luffy in relation to Zoan fruits way sooner ....

[fathom matrix]

Yeah, but now that almost everyone's seen Luffy's transformation and weird powers, they might question his fruit and wonder if it really is a paramecia or a zoan.

Luffy might not care, but he might repeat what kaido said "Yeah, Kaido did say something about how "my awakening acts like a paramecia and a zoan" but I wasn't really paying that much attention. My heart beat sounded funny. Hehe"

[eager frost]

Yamato joining has nothing to do with documenting PK journey. besides she has been following their exploits through news and have whole crew to ask about if she want's to learn more about them.

[tiny ocean]

As I remember jinbe chose not to respond about nika to whos-who, that suggest that he knows way more about it. It wouldn't be surprising if jinbe would be the one who informed the crew about the significance of luffy's power.

[fathom matrix]

yet again, Who's Who was being an asshole to Jinbei, so there may have been some reluctance to even speak to him mutually

[hollow basin]

Yeah but the colourings seem out of nowhere anyway. Red does also symbilise danger, and with Shanks' expression i feel like it's a bit more than just "he's red because he's called red-haired shanks"

Just theorising though so 🤷

[tiny ocean]

ye thats what i was saying, i think...

[fathom matrix]

Plus, Zunisha could also clarrify some stuff too

[maiden junco]

I think it has to do with it. Every straw hat has a role, and I think her role will be to document the journey like Oden did. I don’t think her role will just be being strong

[gritty sigil]

when rayleigh stated that he understands why the world government hides roger real name, roger comment that they don't know the truth was he referring to world government or article readers??

[eager frost]

Luffy never said he need one and i don't remember her saying she wants to join SH for that purpose so it should not factor in her joining is what im saying. ofcoz it could be something she does during the journey

[maiden junco]

That’s fair but I think it should be a factor cos she needs to have a purpose for joining the crew. She still identifies herself as Oden and Odens role was to translate the poneyglyfs but they don’t need that since they have Robin. His other less important role was to document the last journey which no one is really doing rn. So I think she could do that.

[pure raven]

So in one of the interviews with Oda...he said that one piece will be at its end when u see a charater with an eyepatch.. What if...going in next island or where ever..someone asked Zoro why u keep ur eyes shut..then zoro explaining and then the that someone offers zoro an eyepatch to cover his eyes.. just my speculation

[craggy cradle]

Katakuri Shanks Blackbeard Kidd Luffy

[lean pine]

Maybe kat but I think maybe law

[craggy cradle]

Laws crew is too shit

[modest skiff]

Everyone please keep in mind this channel is intended for long paragraph form theories and that #manga-serious is a better place for this conversation

[sudden oar]

luffy stops being stretchy

[modest skiff]

!theories @sudden oar @plain dune

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[lapis matrix]

I have a theory that there could be a secret level in impel down known as level 7 and only few people know of for extremely dangerous pirates that are said to be dead but are alive in impel down and are known by the higher ups like the 5 elders and high authorities and is a top secret for the world government

[plain dune]

I have a theory that boa hancock will have an arc where she goes rly broke and is forced into prostitution

[sullen pumice]

Nice

[plain dune]

ikr rly nice

[pure raven]

Oda had Yamato join strawhats because In Egyptian mythology, the Guardian wolf always protected the sun god. Yamato's devil fruit is based on makami, a Japanese wolf who was worshiped for being a guardian Deity who protects the good and punish the evil.. All this shows how he was inspired by these mythologies and came up with the idea of Yamato joining the crew.

[steady prism]

Interesting idea. What’s the guardian wolf’s name?

[crystal elm]

if Momonosuke didn't use his dragon fire clouds to stop Onigashima from falling, could Caribou use his DF to make a sinkhole when Onigashima lands or not? I think there was a town below Onigashima when it was about to fall so idk if this theory or alternate idea could've worked

[pure raven]

The problem is caribou is omega bum fodder that can’t do anything

[crystal elm]

is he fodder though? I thought he helped Raizo with the jailbreak

are there attack, defense, or offense ranges for specific DF's?

[hoary cape]

luffy did not awaken his devil fruit he just used sulong

[naive swan]

blackbird is gonna try to steal luffys devil fruit cuz he wants to go on a diet and needs to eat some fruit, jk but he’s probably gonna want it cuz he’s a greedy old man

[sand sail]

@hoary cape @naive swan Don't post jokes here.

@crystal elm This is a better topic for #manga-serious

[hoary cape]

it makes sense tho luffy went full white just like sulong and the fluffy hair

[pure raven]

yall think the narrator is the Joyboy from the past telling Luffy’s tale?

[frozen prawn]

We don't get enough Caribou for me to truly say, but that'd be hilarious. I'm still on team Caribou for nakama. It's not a good team, but my idea is something along the lines of even though it will most likely be Yamato...

Luffy offering Caribou a ride and Caribou asking to join him, by Luffy, was misunderstood as Caribou asking to join the crew. Luffy being Luffy, just stupidly believes Caribou has 100% changed just because Caribou says so, but was so vague it's not direct confirmation. Luffy will be the only one to trust him and everyone else will stare at him, judge him, and hate him, and Caribou, from the blind faith of Luffy and the other Straw Hats family dynamic plus character development, will stay a 'creepy' guy, but will get a redemption arc overall.

And when Yamato talks to Luffy about joining, he'll either only offer her a ride, or as Jinbe wanted confirmation lead to a gag out of nowhere, where everyone, including Caribou is surprised and Luffy's like. "Oh, I totally would, but uh I have enough people on my ship. I promised the last spot to Caribou." Or something along those lines.

And that is probably not going to happen. But... I would love it. And then Caribou slowly turns into a better person, also using disguise from the revolutionary army misunderstanding to help progress those plots/use rumors to help Luffy and crew eventually meet them along with Robin. While his change also being pushed by that old woman who saved his life and the Strawhats. And he'd pal around with the weakling trio.

[crystal elm]

he was mistaken for someone in the revolutionary army?? Oh yeah that was the cover story but I thought that was a separate group

[frozen prawn]

Yeah, in his cover story/ministories, I believe. If I remember correctly. An officer. And he got captured by Drake. That's why he was in Wano.

[crystal elm]

he probably wouldn't help the crew as much tbh... other than his DF he is useless

[frozen prawn]

I mean, you're not wrong, but I trust if this was the reveal (I know I'm crazy) he'd get development that'd let him help. He'd probably be a mix between a quartermaster or like a spy or something. Since he can just kinda... do his thing.

[crystal elm]

I totally see him as a spy fs

[frozen prawn]

Because regardless, something HAS to happen with Caribou after this. It's so weird he keeps coming in and out. And while it's most likely admittedly not going to be crew joining... I'm curious to see what it is. His scenes are funny, but something is off about them. They're just kind of their, but the jokes and scenes are never that big.

He feels more like a character who's just always popping up for almost no reason the longer he's gone on. Something bigger HAS to come from. It's probably more likely something to do with the fact he impersonated a revolutionary army member/is mistaken for one though. IDK. Unless he starts appearing more in the future arc and takes on a caesar-type role and is still a heartless monster and just there to be a punching bag.

[crystal elm]

just literal fodder is what I hear from that unless he might actually grow the balls and ask to join the crew

[frozen prawn]

Like, why is he here? He's not getting any really big comic relief scenes. It's more just 'constant reminders he exists and he himself is mildly amusing' but there aren't really many jokes. From a storytelling perspective it didn't NEED to be caribou who helped Luffy. There were so many other reasons for him to get out. And the only 'instrumental' thing he really did is feeding Luffy LOL

[crystal elm]

I am defending Caribou here man

[frozen prawn]

He just feels like such a out of left field choice that it might be intentional for something we're missing. Oh I know. I'm just saying I find it REALLY weird he's here at all. Like, even if he doesn't join the crew, Caribou's going to say or cause something -big- after Wano's over. Like an infodump, or be asked to be dropped off somewhere something important is going on.

[pure raven]

Like he has the final form of future aight he can see centuries in the future

[frozen prawn]

His real role on the crew: Luffy's Lunchbox. How can it not be him now. 👀

[silver smelt]

I'll just save this here

My shot on post wano bounty

Chopper - ฿200
Nami - ฿266.000.000
Usopp - ฿400.000.000
Robin - ฿530.000.000
Franky - ฿494.000.000
Brook - ฿283.000.000
Jinbe - ฿838.000.000
Sanji - ฿1.450.000.000
Zoro - ฿1.450.000.000
Luffy - ฿2.900.000.000

[crystal elm]

Sanji and Zoro's are the same

[silver smelt]

[frozen prawn]

Could be also interesting if Yamato IS a red herring (still don't believe it, but it's fun to think about), now that y'know... people got what they wanted. Yamato DOESN'T leave with Luffy. Much like Oden left with Whitebeard and encountered Gol D. Roger later... Maybe Yamato actually leaves with Law or Kidd, who finally part ways? To come back later?

[crystal elm]

nahhhh no way

[eager frost]

i'd place Robin 4th highest(obv not basing on strength). 2 Yonkou and WG wanted to capture her during this arc alone and the closer they get to LT, the bigger threat she becomes.

[crystal elm]

which Yonko want her btw? Blackbeard and who else... Big Mom?

[eager frost]

yes she told kaido to kill them except her

anyone that wants to reach LT or wants to stop others from reaching will come after her

[crystal elm]

can I talk about something else?

[eager frost]

if its not a big theory post maybe we can move to #manga-serious

[crystal elm]

its not a theory post move to #manga-serious

[crystal elm]

no

[sand sail]

@crystal elm Go ahead and read the channel description, that's also a conversation for #manga-serious . If you don't have basically an essay for your theory, it doesn't belong here

[crystal elm]

zamnnn I moved it

[tacit trellis]

Sogeking is real, as some of Ussop's lies become real, it doesn't seem crazy to me that there is an island of shooters and that a man... the best shooter in the world is there, a heart-shaped island with people who are born to be shooters comes from there and that Ussop or is a relative of Sogeking, Sogeking even if it is only the name may be the best shooter of the island or the world, it doesn't sound bad the theory...

[latent zodiac]

An interesting idea.

Im dubbing the "Haki is King" theory

Kaido: "you dont need a devil fruit to rule the seas, roger didnt have one and he still brought the world to heel"

If gear 5 has unintended consequences would it be that it goes on cooldown for a long while? Say luffy loses his rubber for a while.

If shanks himself is believed to also not have a DF is it fitting that luffy would lose his for a period of time and shanks finally teaches him. Its also worth noting that this would give luffy one last time to grow even with gear 5 under his belt so progression goes smoothly as well.

Say at the end of the next arc he gets his power back in full force stronger than ever (in this theory, they go to Elbaf where Strength is considered king above all else)

Luffy also had his devil fruit since childhood so it would be an interesting development once he masters Haki finally

[pure raven]

PLEASE READ THIS THEORY I read at multiple places that Oda said that we have already met Luffy's mom and i don't think Oda would lie about something like that. personally i don't think its impossible even better i think it is even more likely for the former amazon lily empress to be Luffy's mom. As we all know Kuma send the crew to places that perfectly fit their characters and places he went to before . However except from haki there really is nothing in amazon lilly that fits Luffy. He could have learnt haki in different places because in the end he didn't even train there. We all know Kuma was part of the revolutionary's and probably really close to dragon because even Ivankov didn't know about luffy's connection to dragon. So considering he was really close with dragon it wouldn't be weird for him to know luffy's mom. The former empress started hating the celestial dragons because of what happened to Hancock and her siters however she knew that she couldn't do anything against them if she was alone so she joined the revolutionary's. If you're wondering about how she knew about them the old lady in amazon lily (empress from multiple generations ago) always reads the newspaper. Almost everyone in the revolutionary's has a past with the celestial dragons. Dragon send Kuma to bring the empress to him which allowed kuma to go to amazon lily hence why he was able to send Luffy there. Everyone thought of the empress as a traitor but she just didn't want to lose more of her people. The next one could be a stretch but Boa Hancock told Luffy its difficult to find people willing to challenge the celestial dragon possibly referring to the former empress. Also a pretty big hint is that in the cover of chapter 587 we see dragon watering flowers and the name of the flowers he was giving water to was lily. Sounds familiar? Of course it does since the home of the former empress is named amazon lily. So what are you’re thoughs

[pure raven]

You really think Luffy won’t top kaido?

And with the nika fruit being awakened they might boost it

[pure raven]

So the theory is good but my bum ass is thinking “She’s too old for dragon”
💀

[peak coyote]

my thoughts exactly 💀 though this theory.. given enough thought could work

[crude flume]

Good read, got some holes but I like it

[pure raven]

There is one empress before nyon and she would be around the same age as dragon

[pure raven]

Great minds think alike broski

[silver smelt]

I think it will be greater than BB bounty but lower than kaidou.

Let me explain.
CP0 could tell kaidou was kicked off by luffy or luffy + kid + law and + scabbards and that could imply in lower bounty upgrade for luffy

[pure raven]

Yea but the nika fruit awakening would balance that

Leaving my theory about luffy’s mom out. Do you guys think wano is finished. Personally I don’t think so. Because they WG their agents to capture robin no matter what. Also there is no way that the WG will not use the opportunity to capture/kill three emperors when they are just done fighting each other on a island that is not under their power. I think that they will send a admiral last minute to kill luffy first and then the rest but kaido will protect him. Why? Because he will then end up dying protecting his dream. Kaido wants a world where creatures can live equally and in peace with humans however his mean of getting that futere where wrong. He will realize that while he swims in lava. Whe know that he talked multiple times about joyboy. So realizing that luffy is joyboy and the he is the one who will accomplish his dream. He will die protecting him. If that happens kaido will become a even more fan favourite than he already is and it will complete his character

[silver smelt]

for sure

[pure raven]

Jow wait i thought nyon was the empress of 2 generations ago but it seems like she is the former empress. Now i see why everyone said that she is too old for dragon. I really need to find a site with better translation

[neat turret]

I think Wano is gonna wrap up till the end of the year. Like around the later chapters of 1060’s or early 1070’s. Obviously, a lot can happen and who knows how many chapters till we get to the reverie. I’m assuming we have about less than 10 chapters left for the end of Act 3. (Predicting anywhere from 1056-1058) but that’s up in the air. Also, since we haven’t had any updates of the reverie in years, I’m gonna assume the intermission between Act 3 and 4 is gonna be like 10-15 chapters long which is likely gonna be longer than the previous update we got. But anyways, that’s just a rough idea of where things might be based on some finishing plot points.

[latent ether]

i think his bounty should be at least 4.5-5 bil due to both his fruit awakening and his feat of defeating kaido. but tbf 5 bil is almost at roger's so idk if oda is going to make it that high

[unreal oriole]

when shanks said he was talking about a certain pirate could he have been talking about luffys fruit since the elders are seen later talking about luffys fruit? How much time has passed since then meeting shanks and luffys awakening? Maybe shanks left the elders after talking and is headed to wano and the elders were still on the topic of his fruit.

[royal spruce]

I hope LinLin and Kaido discus the raid like LinLin: “Mamamama! Why didn’t you awaken Kaido? You wouldve made short work of that straw hat!” Kaido: “I probably could, but there wouldn’t be a wano left for me to claim afterwards if i did that!”

[pure raven]

First of all luffy’s bounty’s in every arc are almost always higher by about 25-50% bigger than his opponents bounty’s in the end of the arc. Now juming to wano, after he got shit on by kaido his haki mastery raised by a insane amount in a short period of time. People bounty’s are based on their individual strengt their crew’s strengt and the threat they posses to the WG. And i will know tell you why he will have the biggest bounty we have seen thus far. Yes even bigger than roger’s so please read before you judge. First off all I have no doubt zoro and sanji’s bounty will suprass a billion. Sanji no diff a commander and zoro gave kaido a scar and blocked a attack from 2 yonkos and lets not forget he beat the strongest commander in kaido’s crew. Zoro at the moment is stronger than luffy was in the beginning of wano so i have no doubt that he will suprass luffy’s current bounty sanji will probably be a bit lower than zoro but not by much. The WG wanted to kill luffy because they knew and feared the potential luffy would have if he awakened. He was a must kill for them. And thats before he awakened. The legend of nika was enough for the wg to kill a prisoner now that legend it self is living and fighting against 2 yonkos and he beat the so called strongest creature alive. Now the awakening that they feared has happened in someone who has the will of d, is the son of te biggest criminal in history, and lets not forget his fleet and the potential he and his crew possesses. Roger never went to the WG to start a war but luffy has already saved nico robin,freed impel down prisoners,fought in the war of the best, and thats all pre time skip luffy is sooooo much stronger now than he was then. The WG know how dangerous nika was and the same nika is now luffy who has done all the things i summed up before. Luffy at the moment is probably the biggest threat the WG has ever encountered. Roger wasn’t such a theat because 1 he didn’t have luffy’s devil fruit.part 1/2

Part 2/2 And 2 he himself knew he was too early and decided to not do much and leave it in the hand of joyboy with other words luffy. Also don’t forget luffy’s connection with shanks the one who stopped the war and the one who talks casually with the Gorosei. There are still more factors but i as many other would be really suprised if his bounty isn’t atleast 5.7B.

[silver smelt]

I didnt see anyone jump from 1.5B to 5.7B

[sand sail]

Go ahead and take the bounty talk to one of the regular manga channels guys

#manga or #also-manga

[pure raven]

I explained in the theory why it wouldn’t be weird at all if that happens

[silver smelt]

Got what you said and I agree in parts. Thank you for explain it

[pure raven]

NP i always wanted to talk about one piece with people but since not much people i know even know about it it was kindo impossible so i glady post my theories and explain only the things i know ofcourse.

[sand chasm]

Theory: Roger had two pirates disguise as the executioners because no marine at the time would ever risk having that kill on their hands

[frail drift]

Theory: Roger was luffy's mom and after luffy was born he was teleported 30 years into the future. Roger had 2 sons so that she knew one of them would be able to fullfill her wish if the other one died

Theory Part 2: Ace died and now luffy is the fulfilling his's mom dream. Also luffy was transported into the future by toki. Rogers told Shanks about the plan and which is why shanks gave the devil fruit to luffy

[civic onyx]

So ikanov changed his gender?

[hollow palm]

that would be most likely

[dusky notch]

Luffy just defeated Kaido and you give him 2.9 Billion ?? are you really reading onepiece ?

[sweet inlet]

Also Sanji and Zoros bounties are always close but never the same because of their rivalry

[white pendant]

Theory: Mihawk is weak bro. He tries to look tough and he's like "yes... i will go to marineford to fight whitebeard because i am soooo goated" and then this mf can't touch WB. After this, he doesn't fight any yonkos or do anything besides train Zoro.

He doesn't even try to fight any yonkos, Shanks doesn't count either, since he was pre yonko. Zoro has done more damage to a yonko than trash Mihawk ever will. Zoro is prolly already able to beat Mihawk they just gotta scrap and Zoro is gonna destroy him.

[pure raven]

Cuz mihawk doesn’t give a shit about anything 😂 he just wants to have fun

[white pendant]

He only fights fodder

[hidden socket]

Fighting yonko isnt easy just lik kizaru tried tp hit wb Marco came in so to get to them u need to fight a whole crew wont be a fair fight for mihawk to try

[white pendant]

Mihawk to scared to fight Yonko's mostly fodder crews? Big Mom for example has like 3 good people on her entire crew.

[hybrid ivy]

I have the impression that Mihawk doesn't give a shit much about pirate politics or just in general most things

And we already know that numbers can actually bring down anybody strong. You know the saying pile up enough straws and it eventually gains weight even Whitebeard still went down eventually and even Kaido has been beaten/caught before.

It doesn't matter if Mihawk can theoretically fight a yonko (the rumors about him and shanks sparring) if he's alone. Numbers will shred him eventually and he's just crewless and looks like no practical allies around

[silver smelt]

yep, and u?

[pure raven]

Nah it’s bm and her crew together

[dusky notch]

it's GOATPiece , his bounty will be at least 5 billion

[white pendant]

well yeah, but he likes to fight strong people, no? thats his character he wants a challenge

[pure raven]

Like yea he can take them on solo but is he gonna fight them while fighting a yonko

[white pendant]

but at the same time hes too much of a bitch to really fight anyone strong, mihawk is an L

[hybrid ivy]

Nope he's not kaido who wants to fight strong people without reservations. And besides there is a distinction. He's wants to challenge other swordsman not just fighters in general

Even Kaido isn't dumb enough to be raiding the home of celestial dragons if he just wants a good fight cause the world government can really give the fight of his life if he tries to the attack them and never run away

Actually he even keep underlings despite being strong

Also doesn't mean you can actually fight doesn't mean you are gonna risk your life everytime you could. And doesn't mean you are strong that you have to fight an entire army alone just to prove it

That mindset is for the dumbasses

[strange shell]

Luffy's bounty needs to consider a few factors besides beating Kaido. One. The Nika fruit is clearly in the eyes of the elders. A bigger threat than Kaido and Nico Robin. Two. Luffy has Nico Robin. Meaning they likely know she holds the key to reaching One Piece or could at least aid him in doing so. Three he defeated Kaido. Luffy's bounty could be higher than any bounty we've seen if the Elders freak out enough. They could be scared and make his bounty higher than it should be.

[hybrid ivy]

Also he's definitely gonna get credit for "coordination" of the attack on Onigashima despite not really doing anything with the planning just like back in WCI

[strange shell]

You could say he did play a role in Wano unlike Whole Cake Island. He was the leader

[hybrid ivy]

He was certainly leading the main attack group to bring down the biggest problem on the other side.

[karmic token]

His bounty can hit 10 billion maybe

[strange shell]

WG "Fuck it name your price. 30 Bill max. JUST KILL HIM"

[pure raven]

morgan gonna have a field day writing articles about luffy if he gets a big ass bounty

[strange shell]

does he know about Wano?

[pure raven]

he could know about big mom going to wano since it was on a traceable transponder snail line and the gov found out + momo is gonna open the borders later and let everyone know so maybe not right away but soon morgan gonna be making bank off luffy

[sand sail]

@solemn turtle Go ahead and bring this up in one of the other manga channels if you'd like, #manga-theories isn't the place for it

[jagged onyx]

Elbaf prediction & Kid theory:

Kid and his crew will tag along with the Strawhat alliance due to the same logport destination. But are not part of the alliance.

We haven't seen his backstory and goals/motivation to become pirate king yet. It's unlikely that he'll just dip out after his character build up in Wano.

In Elbaf we'll find out more about his past and the reason why he's so obsessed with taking down big names (Shanks, Kaido) , as he struggles to keep up with Luffy.

Eventually he'll witness how the Strawhat's and Law find the last road poneglyph. Then he realizes that he would never be able to find the One Piece & become pirate king unlike Luffy, who has been steps ahead of him which fuels his frustration even more.

By the end of the arc, Kid will challenge Luffy to a battle with the coordinates of Laughtale at stake or in order to decide who is fittest to become pirate king. Luffy will obviously accept this challenge and win.

Finally, he will accept his defeat and maybe find closure thanks to Luffy.
But the rivalry won't stop here, he will keep traveling the sea and swears to beat him one day, which will lead to a friendly rivalry like Roger-Whitebeard. After all, whoever defeats the pirate king shall become the new one. This also indicates that Kid truly believes in Luffy.

[steady cosmos]

Will the Kurozumi Tama theory still work? It would've been such a wonderful plot thread and lesson by Oda

[rotund comet]

Yamato already kind of hits it home tbh. She is the daughter of the man that killed his father. Orochi was just a pawn of kaidou. If kaidou didn't exist oden would have destroyed orochi and the old lady

[weary hornet]

luffy’s bounty will prob say “dead only” since he participated in defeating/killing 2 yonkos, defeated a yonko himself, and awakened the fruit the world government has been looking for 800 years. n they want luffy dead so his fruit can respawn somewhere else; a second chance for the government to get the fruit.

[rotund comet]

Trust me only dead isn't gonna make his life any harder. The yonkos bounties are so high that no on even tries to engage them

[leaden mountain]

Regarding law:
I think his crew consist of undercover ||Marines||. Their faces are never seen, just like your average ||marine|| fooder. - I would even go so far to claim that Law is with ||Sword ||(or at least hired by them). - just like his Inspiration Corazon.

[upbeat crane]

Okay elbaf theories please

Usopp's name was inspired by Aesop. Aesop told made up stories called fables, much like Usopp. Also, Aesop is the author of "the boy who cried wolf", the story of the boy who lies to the villagers about a wolf appearance in order to alarm the villagers for fun, but because of his history of lying, the villagers don't believe him when the wolf actually appears. This is parallel to Usopp lying about pirates arriving in order to prank the villagers, but they don't believe him when he's telling the truth

This also now coincides with Usopp elbaf = Aesops fables, reverse elbaf = fable

Read this somewhere

[tender forum]

yo
elbaf = fable
mind blown

[upbeat crane]

[meager jasper]

Hey people. Wondering if there's any of you that wonder if Tengu is Kozuki Sukiyaki?

[steady prism]

Yea someone’s already analyzed that here: #manga-theories message

[meager jasper]

Ah, thanks for that! I think @dark palm is spot on.

[still delta]

BM vs g5 luffy?

ik luffy wins but some dumbass keeps saying luffy wins wanna hear what yall say

[meager jasper]

Luffy wins

[primal cargo]

What I say is peak BM with full homie arsenal vs G5 Luffy would be the hypest battle in existence
Definitely one of the reasons why I've been hoping for Big Mom to come back one more time

[paper raft]

what if kaido gave luffy all his territory

[modest skiff]

@paper raft @still delta this channel is intended for more in depth conversations and topics rather than quick 1 liners. But if you have a topic like territory, please discuss it in #manga-serious. For power scaling discussion, please use #manga

[still delta]

oh ight mb

[paper raft]

sorry thanks for letting me know

[modest skiff]

No worries @paper raft , territory distribution is something a lot of people have been discussing lately in #manga-serious so we’d love to hear your thoughts on how things pan out over there 💯

[dry shell]

very valid theory deleted sad

[sand sail]

Don't post things like that here

[dry shell]

sorry mods i shall not repeat it

[sand sail]

DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANYTHING FROM CHAPTER 1052 IN THIS CHANNEL.

[eternal meteor]

Pretty sure this one has already be suggested but here it is

1. We still haven't seen Elbaf but it's most likely the next destination for Strawhats Crew
2. Luffy still hasn't met Shanks since he started his journey
3. Shank's first seen boat looks a lot like a Drakkar, the scandinavian boats, and Shanks himself shares a lot of traits with the North god Tyr
4. Giants share traits with scandinavian mythology, like their god's name is literally Odin
5. There isn't any emperor known to live in Elbaf
6. Sadly the manga is reaching its end and there aren't much arcs remaining now that Wano is freed from Kaido

So I think Luffy and Shanks will meet at Elbaf, and as there shouldn't be any big fight there, Shanks will most likely explain some big things about the World Government and/or the Void Century, with a long flashback

[shy orbit]

shanks luffy ussop yassop reunion, plus shanks most likely has the last road glyph

[final solstice]

I don't think shanks has a road pone at all, but I don't have anything to back it up, just an opinion

[mild spire]

When mihawk showed shanks luffys 30 mil bounty, they drank and shanks got drunk. What if drunk shanks told mihawk about luffys hito hito no mi. So when mihawk was at marineford, he tried to see if fate will save luffy, and he got his answer. People luffy doesn't even know will sacrifice themselves for luffy.

[dapper rain]

It's some kind of ironic tragedy that monkey d is so bound by his fate, when what he strives for is absolute freedom

[sand sail]

Luffy's not bound by fate at all, but that's not a topic for here, go ahead and bring it up in #manga-serious if you'd like

[severe sentinel]

An analytical response to the fringe group of Yamato fans who bring intriguing points in favour of Yamato joining the crew:

A response to Vic.

Point by point.

“Zoro’s role can be applied to everyone.”

No, the uniqueness of his role is his specialization in the concept. Zoro embodies a true fighter, after all, he is always shown as more stoic and competent as a warrior than Luffy. Nami and Zoro are Luffy’s guiding voices, with Nami representing compassion and logic, and Zoro representing stoicism and toughness (the concept of being a warrior). Zoro’s role is symbolic of his aid to Luffy. Additionally, once a SH receives a role, it is fundamentally their own. Take Usopp’s struggle in Enies Lobby, he was uncertain of his role within the crew, and as a result, he was called out by Luffy when he states, “You’re not a carpenter Usopp!” As Usopp felt unneeded, and unconfident in his ability to assist the crew, he left. Only in Enies Lobby did he truly understand his role - he is not a carpenter or engineer - he is a sniper, as such, he should hone his role and trust the others to fulfill their own. The point being, Usopp’s entire arc placed emphasis on the importance of everyone’s role as they all trust each other to fulfill their roles to the best of their abilities. They are all unique, as such, each SH adds to the overall goal of the crew - Zoro and Usopp only further that notion.

“The SHs are goofy (?) and they don’t do things the way others do (?).”

In isolation, this point makes no sense. The reason the SHs are special is because they are a group who are on a journey for the romance of it - not with the goal of materialistic possession or dominance. Of course, some dreams are physical, but the underlying idea is that those dreams are positive because the people pursuing them embody the notion of romance and freedom. Additionally, no comparison was made with other crews, only with previously established precedents within the SHs.

“Yamato represents the concept of freedom.”

Her desires are no different from every other SH, the difference being that they have an actual dream on top of their desire to be free, which adds more substance to their dreams. The theme of freedom enhances their dreams, whilst Yamato’s dream is to be free, meaning she represents the theme, but lacks the substance to be elevated to SH level.

“The role argument doesn’t apply because Oda can make something up (cites Robin and Jinbe).”

Oda “coming up with something” is a lazy deflection, which shows that you do not have any idea what Yamato’s role could be. When Robin joined, her role designation was obvious given her past portrayal - the same cannot be said for Yamato. When Jinbe joined, his role designation was obvious and unique from anyone else - the same cannot be said for Yamato. Also, you mentioned the necessity of a role and framed it as arbitrary, however, I find this reasoning flawed as if it truly was the case, Oda would never have given Jinbe the role and he could have fulfilled the role of a fighter. However, Oda gave Jinbe the role regardless, making it inherently important to the dynamic. The point in relation to Robin’s role is blasphemous, just because the immediate purpose of her role was not entirely known, does not make it arbitrary (as you framed it). Robin was still implicitly given a unique role, which was utilized in the very next arc and it was slowly revealed how important it was. The very fact that Oda had the foresight to include Robin’s skill set was genius as it directly related to attaining the One Piece. Robin’s designation was important in the very next arc, meaning it wasn’t arbitrary and it was a natural introduction given Oda’s endgame. As previously mentioned, her role designation was logical given her past experience, Yamato’s role designation will be forced, regardless of how Oda spins it.

Robin functioned as a character without a clear role, yet as readers, we could easily surmise what her role was going to be given her experiences in the previous arc and her main usage to Crocodile - being an Archaeologist. It was evident what role Robin could have fulfilled, yet the very fact that there is an intense debate over Yamato’s role (or lack thereof) proves that she lacks what every other SH had - impactful experiences that would eventually justify their roles.

Yes, the SHs had always fulfilled the duty of steering the ship, yet they never had someone who fulfilled the role. When Jinbe joined, his designation was not only logical, but he was given an individualistic and unique role that no one would have been able to fulfill previously (duty =/= a role). Additionally, your framing of something being essential ignores the main point - every SH, prior to joining, showcased experiences that not only defined them as characters, but made for a completely sound justification for when they received their role. Yamato lacks the experience that every SH had prior to joining the crew - her not having a character arc furthers this point.

TLDR; Yamato lacks the prior experience to justify any role she may receive and the roles proposed by you are already fulfilled by the very characters (Zoro is already a fighter/warrior).

“Yamato’s dream is more layered than you believe!”

Despite the framing, Yamato’s desire can be applied to every SH, especially the East Blue five, whose very narrative addresses what freedom means to Yamato - exploring the seas and experiencing the romance of adventure. Adding arbitrary labels such as, “exploring the seas like Oden is what freedom means to Yamato,” is avoiding the issue - Yamato’s dream is already incorporated within the crew’s very narrative. Yamato wants to be like Oden, because unlike her, he got to do everything he wanted, and like Roger and Luffy, he was truly free (which is why Yamato says that Luffy is more Oden than her). For Yamato, freedom is about escaping her father and doing as she pleases, which is going wherever she wants, like Oden and Roger. The very fact that Yamato conceded that Luffy was, “more Oden,” means her dream isn’t unique as Luffy already, partly, embodies it. The parallels between Luffy and Oden are evident, and only further solidified by Yamato. As such, if Luffy already embodies Yamato’s dream through his own journey, if Yamato joined, her dream would fundamentally be more hollow than the other SHs as they already have their own symbolic Oden in Luffy.

Another weakness of Yamato’s dream includes its lack of substance. Her goal lacks clarity as it’s extremely vague and easily applicable to the other SH, especially Luffy. Part of the risk of embodying the concept of freedom is attempting to rival Luffy, as he is the only character who truly represents the idea. Yamato’s weakness is her inability to contend. The labels you add only weaken Yamato’s dream and cohesion in the group.

To simplify Yamato, as that does her justice, her true desire, as previously mentioned, is to do as she pleases and explore the world beyond Onigashima. The construction of her dream truly lacks substance. There isn’t an actual goal unique to her character that would make the reader route for her, she only desires freedom of action, something that every SH desired in addition to their dream. Take Nami, she wanted to be free from Arlong - to have freedom of action - and she had a defined dream that was chained locked away from her, which enhanced her drive to attain freedom and it increased the reader’s investment. There was a naturalistic desire and an individualistic dream, something found in every SH. Yamato only embodies the naturalistic drive, she lacks (or has a vague) individualistic drive, thus diminishing reader investment. Again, adding the label, “exploring the world is what freedom means to her,” is not adding much and as previously suggested, diminishes her dream even further. Her naturalistic desire to have freedom of action latched onto someone who embodied the concept of natural freedom - Oden, as such, it is illogical to suggest that her individualistic dream is actually her naturalistic desire. Part of the problem is her identity crisis, Yamato never formed a true identity, all she had was a naturalistic drive for freedom, and that drive defined her “dream.”

Part of her arc is dropping her coping mechanism, and discovering herself, and in the process, discovering her true dream that jives with her true identity.

TLDR; Yamato’s “dream” is her naturalistic desire, not her individualistic desire.

[civic rain]

The final war arc will be on the moon, with luffy (the sun) and blackbeard (A blackhole) clash, also it would be very climatic for pirates to go to the moon

[primal cargo]

I wouldn't say the absence of a proper dream stops Yamato from being a SH candidate.
In her life so far Yamato has been constantly confronted with the very strong and opposed father figures of Kaido and Oden, and she hasn't been able to get out of this "role model" mentality.
Her journey at sea, regardless of which ship she is sailing, will be about finding out who she is. It is entirely on the table that Yamato joins the Strawhat crew without a dream, and finds one later over the course of a larger character journey.
It's not like you physically must have a fleshed-out dream in order to ride on the Sunny. Jinbei's dream is pretty vague and not really the highlight of his character. Franky's dream doesn't require him to sail on the ship, he's here because he enjoys it.

[pure raven]

Do manga theories in general go here provided they don't contain spoilers past chapter 1051?

[tender forum]

only very detailed, in-depth theories go here, for one-liners, go to #manga

[pure raven]

So, we are all aware of the members of the worst generation being foretold as the strong pirates to lead the world into the future right? Well I have a theory that lines up with this. The alliance between Luffy, Law and Kid as we know is very clearly what this prophecy refers to but let's look at one critical fact here. Luffy, Law and Kid are all from a different sea each. Luffy from the east blue, Law from the north blue and Kid from the south blue, with this in mind I believe we are only missing one more to form all corners of the sea to complete the triangulation to laughtale, and as it would happen there is one member of the worst generation who we already know to be from this sea who the Straw Hats have worked with in the past. None other than Bege! Once all four seas are represented by a pirate, perhaps with Uruoge being one to represent the sky/islands up there then we have our complete compass. 5 heroes/powerful pirates to fight the 5 elders, and then dragon to fight Imu! Repost of what I wrote in general

[meager hare]

So random topic but moving on to Chopper. I know a lot of people get upset because we keep seeing powerful fruits become a mythical Hito Hito no mi (God versions). But honestly this is the only way I see Chopper being able to power up. So I did some research on Cernunnos, the Celtic Horned God. Also known as the Lord of Wild Things. “In Celtic mythology, the horned god was associated with wild animals and places, vegetation, and fertility. He's seen as the protector of forests and leader of the hunt, representing life, animals, wealth, and sometimes the Underworld.”

Would love to see something like that represented with Chopper tbh. I just really want to see my mans succeed combat wise.

If someone else already thought of this theory or mentioned it before hit me up! Would love to talk about it more

[dapper rain]

Are you expecting a reveal that Chopper's devil fruit is more than just human? I would think Chopper's next power up to be something more scientific, like perhaps Vegapunk can teach him how to alter his devil fruit somehow

[meager hare]

I’m not expecting it. It’s more of a wish i guess 😆 but yea that would be cool too. I’m just really hoping we do see him getting stronger before one piece ends I just wonder how

[soft creek]

one piece is coming to a close with its final arc

[edgy vessel]

final saga

[soft creek]

mb

[edgy vessel]

The Four Emperors Saga started at like 2016. We got a lot of material left

[soft creek]

but if we being fr its gonna take WAY too long knowing its current pacing

[sand sail]

Not the right channel for this convo though guys Take it to one of the main manga chats please

[edgy vessel]

can you point me to the correct channel? I don't see manga general

[sand sail]

#manga or #also-manga

[sand sail]

@rich warren^ Use those channels, not the place for those kinds of conversation starters.

[rich warren]

its a theory tho, but ill go to #manga-serious instead

[lapis horizon]

Could that be that big mom when she use conquer haki coating her skin get weaker just like when she saw mother carmel picture broken and bled from her knees .

[late pier]

While this could be true; I don't see Luffy getting away from Shanks without a fight.

I always believed that Shanks would challenge Luffy once he felt he was ready to test his mettle and make sure he made the right choice. If he didn't he'd end him, if he did, well we know what happens and will happen.

I could see this happening at Elbaf!

[late pier]

Um, it wasn't that people that Luffy didn't know would sacrifice themselves for him, but that he was able to draw people to him to the point that even his enemies would want to protect him after they met him because they knew who he was and admired it.

Everyone who saved Luffy at marineford was a past enemy now on his side, or a WB pirate saving him because of Ace and the fact that WB acknowledged him from a brief meeting.

He wasn't protected by fate, but by his own ability to bring people to him.

[late pier]

I disagree. Monkey D isn't bound at all. The gomu gomu doesn't make you become joyboy, otherwise it wouldn't have waited 800 years for luffy, but rather it waited for someone like Luffy who was truly free and could do what the DF truly wished.

[eternal meteor]

I agree on this and this will probably be awesome. By "no big fight" I truly meant "no big enemy"

[feral gale]

Long

[sand sail]

^ Those conversations can be continued in #manga-serious

[late pier]

I agree with most of what you said, however I would say your point on Jinbei is off. While you are right, the fact that he gave him a role outside of fighter shows the roles are important. However your argument that doesn't disprove the idea that Jinbei's role was just made up for him and therefore could be done for Yamato.

Don't worry though, I have the point you are missing. Throughout the manga ( and anime), Nami would often charge someone with managing the helm; who it would be would change, and sometimes be more than one person because it couldn't be handled by one person alone. Like the musician and shipwright, musician), the idea of a Helsman was shown to us but in a way we wouldn't realize until after.

This adds to your point against Yamato "joining". On top of this, we can add the fact that Luffy said he wanted a crew of 10, which is what he has currently (if you count himself) and therefore the crew is full and yamato won't officially join, or it means that there is one more spot which begs the question is Yamato the one you think will truly be the last SH?

Personally I would argue that Yamato, who calls themselves Odin, will be like him, and simply travel with them for a while before moving on to their real destiny, and like Oden was considered a part of the Pirate King's crew and a part of White beard's crew, and like Vivi is considered a SH, so will Yamato be considered a SH, though won't actually be part of the crew.

[late pier]

What is the point of a theories thread, if any time someone posts a theory and people start discussing it, you tell them to take the discussion else where. A channel with just theories and no discussion is useless and stupid.

These rules are meant to ensure good discussion can be had without all channels being cluttered with garbage, but instead the mods seem to kill more discussion then the SPAM comments did in the first place.

[sand sail]

The theories for this channel are meant to be longer, more in depth discourse, not simple one sentence statements that don't actually build into a theory. You replied to exactly one actual acceptable theory here, the rest can be discourse for the series without memes or power scaling and therefore fits better in #manga-serious instead of the theories channel. This is for essentially small essays, like the one about Yamato, but honestly that one is actually better for #manga-serious as well because it's not even a theory, it's character analysis.

The message you replied to about Luffy being bound by fate, in fact, spawned a great discussion in #manga-serious that you probably would've enjoyed being part of as well. There's no way you missed my asking everyone to move to that channel for it as well, so when you see that message, please go to the proper channel instead of replying here.

You are not making theories. You are having a discussion about characters that aren't actually connected to much of a higher theory at all. Please move it to #manga-serious , and feel free to discuss as much as you'd like in a channel with a lower slow mode and less restrictions. This is a strict channel.

We've literally made that channel for the purpose of the discussion you're trying to have here. Please adhere to the rules.

That wasn't an invitation for further discussion, that was an official direction, please use the proper channels. You can DM me if you need further explanation, we're not discussing it here.

You already posted that theory in #manga , that was actually a good place to keep it

[sand sail]

Not the place for jokes

[pure raven]

how will luffy get stronger after gear 5?

[sand sail]

#manga for those kinds of questions please

[severe sentinel]

Every SH, prior to joining the crew had a character arc - it is what made them worthy of joining the main cast. However, Yamato is the exception because, prior to joining the crew, she did not have an arc, as such her dream never could formulate because dreams are made clear or get formulated as a by-product of the character's arc.

[severe sentinel]

Thanks for the input! Your logic justifies the subtle need for a helmsman through Nami's charges. Using your logic, the same could be said for Robin as through Oda's worldbuilding, he subtly introduced the crew's need for someone with the capability to read Poneglyphs.

[pure raven]

She does have an arc tho not as major but it’s there imo like her view on who she is and by extension who oden in changes in wano aloy

[sand sail]

@pure raven We're talking about this already in #manga-serious lmao

[pure raven]

Yea I thought he was doing a break away so I came back here

[spiral kettle]

Isn't Yamato's dream/goal to fill in the missing pages from Oden's diary?
And as her role, she wants to explore the world - she can be a scout? Or the one manning the crow's nest. Her role can be guiding them with the knowledge in the diary. Or maybe she will be the one inheriting the beast pirates and then her role will just be managing Kaido's territory and maybe the SH fleet. A lot of roles can be invented that make sense.
Or maybe you are making this role thing more important than Oda actually thinks it is. For all we know he makes a chapter about the SH trying to find a role for her. It wouldn't be the first member to join without a clear role from the moment of joining.

[modest skiff]

The Bai Ze theory is the best one for BB IMO. But I don't think he ate some kinda Bai Ze devil fruit. I think either he is some special creature or he comes from a race of Bai Ze people.

This theory was posted similarly here #manga-theories message I think both of these explanations are very good

yeah i don't think he is

[pure raven]

Not specific to this chapter but think it’s cool, I don’t know if anyone has thought of this yet so might allready be out there, last fight is gonna be Blackbeard vs luffy on laugh tale, black beard is gonna make it there first, and then luffy is finna show up half way through them celebrating and beat the fuck out of them, mihalk will also be there on black beards side, not really for black beard, just wanting to take zoro on, where zoro wins.

[pure raven]

Ryokugyu is coming and Luffy and Zoro just woke up, they are definitely not in shape to face him head on.

Sanji, Jimbei or Yamato will need to step up

[lone star]

I always thought that BB might just follow luffy there. Idk how BB would get the coordinates but it seems like a BB thing to do to "ride luffy's coattails" there and steal the one piece from him. I do like the idea of them fighting on laugh tale

[fathom matrix]

Wait a minute

I just realised. Where's Inurashi?

I'm guessing after his battle with Jack he's in intenstive care or somewhere or unlike Nemomamushi, he's not that much of a baths guys so he didn't join them?

[tiny ocean]

arc is too crowded with characters. maybe its just that.

[fathom matrix]

true

[modest skiff]

Just as a reminder this channel is for long form theories. Any in depth discussion regarding the recent chapter should go in #manga-serious or the other channels

[fathom matrix]

gotcha

[fading ore]

Luffy is gonna get a bounty of 5b berry bounty I think because in whole cake there was a sentence with something like ''mugiwara no luffy ... 5000000000Berry'' (when he was trapped in the book cage)

[modest skiff]

Bounty discussion goes in #manga please @fading ore

[fathom matrix]

Here's what I think is going to happen

We are going to get an explaination as to what's going to happen with Big Mom and Kaido, but it's going to be in a cover story.

I bet the strawhats, heart pirates and kid pirates are gonna end up leaving wano ands escaping green bull.

But I think Kaido is gonna get picked up by King and they fly off somewhere, Big Mom's collected by her kids and sailled back to tatland.

Then we see queen, jack and the topiroppo in the udon prisons, probably angry while queen is still performing his dances.

It could be discovered that Peraspero survived too, but he's been hiding and runs back to big mom with the BM pirates, but BM is completely drained and almost dead. She's still weak but is in shock of what the Germa did to whole cake while she was gone, but doesn't have the strength to get angry or shout, cursing kid, law, luffy and the germa

Kaido and King are probably on a secluded island away from any civillisation, looking at the sea and pondering, probably about Luffy and Joyboy.

[warm edge]

I believe this theory with all my heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sumwIY8X3co

[weary hornet]

yamato is going to defend the strawhats from ryokugyu. she’s going to prove herself worthy of joining the strawhats. luffy’s going to see what yamato jus did n invite her to the crew

[pale reef]

i thought this was given

[modest skiff]

Let’s keep bounty discussion in #manga please

[mellow basalt]

W name btw

I'm betting some plant fruit, because earth/forest fruit imo would be a mid fruit 🤷

[sand sail]

#manga for this guys

[odd canopy]

Ryogukyu went to wano to eat after not eating for 3 years

[toxic mural]

I believe the wg will not announce luffy as an emperor

@odd canopy Because not only he is from there (according to the legend that oda took from) but he is also Zoro's father

[trim kayak]

Law and Kid then as the new emperors? Assuming Luffy defeating Blackbeard will give him the undisputed vote from the others as the King of Pirates.

Earth/Forest God fruit? And also Zoro's father?

[merry cloud]

Luffy was already an emperor and I’m p sure the new emperors are gonna be kid and law 100 percent. Would be lit if zoro was one tho but unlikely.

[unkempt hemlock]

Would you rather Aokiji join the straw hats to beat mamga fist or Luffy?

[novel scroll]

Sooo. Where is Robin?

[unkempt hemlock]

Spoiler I want Aokiji to join the straw hats

[last halo]

Also it finally makes sense to me robin’s lowish bounty. Any higher, and figures around the world would have like, started asking questions, and possibly investigating the importance of Robin, which could have led to someone like an emperor finding a child Robin and using them as soon as the bounty was released

79 million may very well be the reasoned amount where it would be high enough for hordes of bounty hunters to go after her, but low enough to not receive any significant attention from the Yonko or other non-marine groups

[novel scroll]

So Ryokugyu power is plant based? That's where the green comes from?

[modest skiff]

Please save comments like this for #manga . This channel is only for serious theory discussion. Not idle chit chat. Only big long theories here

[novel scroll]

And it seems that we might finally get the answer to the Ryokugyu theory next week.
It seems that he really is from Wano with his whole fasting thing, just like other warrion of Wano. Now that Wano is free, he can finally eat again.
Also, the Zorro's Dad/Grandpa theory might be answered too

[unkempt hemlock]

Thanks for the heads up. Ok so here's the longer version. I think Aokiji will be the next nakamura because of his connection to Robin, since he lost the fight, his debt to Garp, and his personal mission now. I debate between Luffy or Aokiji defeating magma head because of Ace but I think it is more fitting that Aokiji beats him so Luffy can fight the 5 WG leaders as Nika. Well 4, Zoro will fight the old guy with the sword to become the world's greatest swordsman.

[civic narwhal]

what is the WG and Navy learn how to make artificial devil fruits then equip them to the marines while still keeping their ability to swim, like they can equip them with like ace's fruit or something. nothing super powerful

[novel scroll]

Any theory on who hijack that Denden mushi?

[night lava]

Greenbull has this chill vibe around him

[wanton needle]

^

[foggy iris]

Im sure that the new two Yonkous are Luffy and Mihawk. 7 days have passed and the Shichibukai's chase might have ended by now. Mihawk being the strongest swordman in the world, Shanks' rival and now playing serious his pirate role running away from being captured... He fits the free Yonkou spot more than Law or Kid

[novel scroll]

Is "Emperor" still translated as Yonko? Meaning only 4?
Luffy was emperor before, wasn't he? That makes him the 5th one.

[foggy iris]

Could be a new thing, yeah. But now that two of them have fallen, they could easily be 4 of them again

[night lava]

Can you really become an emperor as a solo tho?

[novel scroll]

Also, what makes emperor is not just strenght, but the teritory. Big Mom may lost, but her teritory is still huge.

[foggy iris]

Well, in that chapter its stated that Morgan is the one with more influence in the world to give the roles. Its not something official that the WG decides. If the WG wants to make something like an official statement, they do it through the newspapers.

[foggy iris]

As long as u're able to be that strong, i dont think there's any rule about that

[night lava]

Well, i guess mihawk is just pure badass, man became an emperor without a crew

[foggy iris]

The man is a One Man Army since its first appearance

[sand sail]

It was never stated that Morgans had any influence over this, and everyone in the series actually disagreed when he decreed Luffy to be in the position, it's just a general public opinion

[formal marsh]

This makes even more sense if you take in consideration the tradition presented in this last chapter. Ryokugyu fasting might be a vigil related to a wish he made when Zoro went to the Grandline. Also, the weird/wanky way he uses his devil fruit resembles how samurai from wano when using devil fruit related powers.

[agile tangle]

I’m betting Greenbull will have a personality thats’s a combination of Aokiji’s and Kizaru’s, since blue + yellow = green. He will essentially have Kizaru’s unpredictability while having Aokiji’s kindhearted or goofy nature.

It wouldn’t be much of a stretch either, as Fujitora was also a combination of Aokiji and Akainu’s personalities, ending up with two conflicting ideals that made him indecisive. So we know he tends to blend the personalities with the secondary color admirals. from @glossy trout

What do you guys think? All credit to thyme of course, I just wanted to see if this could be built on

[glossy trout]

Oh hey lol, thanks for sharing my theory!

[pure raven]

It’s possible I def think he’s a bit more chill

Abs the way fuji talks to him makes him seem like kinder in a way but we will see but he also seems rash bc of what Akainu says which reminds me of Akainu in a way

[glossy trout]

Hmm… he does seem a bit kinder than most. But I guess we’ll just have to wait until 1053.

[elder talon]

Is it just me or didn’t Robin not appear in the new chapter?

[normal orchid]

Aokiji joined Blackbeard’s crew though

[umbral wren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/v8zn2p/hungry_ghosts_the_fire_festival_and_heaven_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[heavy ocean]

If Ryukogyu has a plant based logia, it would make alot of sense he didnt eat for 3 years

[dark heart]

Yep, she didn't appear.

[modest skiff]

This channel is for long form theories rather than mild chit chat. Please use #manga-serious for discussion like above

[snow herald]

Here's my 2 cents on Zunesha.
She is somehow responsible for closing wano off. The unforgivable thing she did was that she didn't do something. Maybe she was supposed to help with opening wano but didn't. I think to open wano up she is required to do something. Maybe smash the islands down back to sea level. Momo said not yet, so she went back. I think her punishment is to wander around until she is called, she isn't allowed to die until she smashes the islands down and opens wano.

[umbral wren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/v8zn2p/hungry_ghosts_the_fire_festival_and_heaven_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[crimson pendant]

An Emperor is only considered an Emperor when their power is can directly compete with other Emperor's. Power in this wording means personal strength, crew strength, and other resources. Luffy wasn't dubbed an official Emperor before because he lacked territory and the World Government was unsure if his power was equal to other Emperor's. Mihawk is not strong enough to be an Emperor. He by himself cannot face another Emperor and their entire crew. The new Emperor's are likely Luffy and unless something else happened else where Eustac Kid, I say Kid over Law because Law was in an alliance with the staw hats. Kids alliance fell apart and he was left with just his crew

[eternal pier]

do you guys think luffy and kidd will be the new emperors or there will be 5 emperors consisting of kidd luffy law shanks blackbeard

[cerulean thistle]

btw, hawkin die?

[summer urchin]

yes

[tribal estuary]

Can't wait to see billion bounties on Law, Kid and Zoro

[pallid kite]

My bet is that WG won’t make Luffy into an Emperor because they need to “contain” or “rid” Nika. Or they need to re-harness the Nika Devil Fruit. So new emperors are Kid and Law. But Luffy’s bounty will rise above all the Yonkos including Shanks and BB.

[tribal estuary]

But don't higher Bounty = emperor

[pallid kite]

Traditionally yes. But maybe it’s not a rule.

[edgy oracle]

Did yonks system exist before Roger era?

[pallid kite]

I think after

[tribal estuary]

Nha probably nobody was that strong except for rocks

[edgy oracle]

Anyone know if it was the government or the media that started the yonko system

And are kaido and big mom actually dead or just defeated?

[tribal estuary]

Probably media , media was the one to call luffy 5th emperor

[pallid kite]

Government sets the yonko structure and media board casts it

The 3 balance was created by the WG. WG, Yonko, Shichibukai

[edgy oracle]

I don't think oda is necessarily going to stick to the yonko structure after this.... it might be something all new

Also the shichibukai have been abolished

[tribal estuary]

Will we get to the fight or it will be behind the scene, though most of the battles will be one sided , but I want to see buggy XD

[edgy oracle]

Oda also mentioned the final war is going to make marineford war look like a puny fight.....so since post Rogers death was yonkos post this fight be a new era of power structure

Buggy sama is going to be the only person to witness 2 pirate kings😂

[edgy oracle]

I don't think oda will show the fight but mention the outcome.....he needs to focus on the main story....since he announced he will start the final saga

[pallid kite]

Releigh and Shanks also witnessed Roger’s era

[edgy oracle]

But are they gonna be alive until the end 🥸

[pallid kite]

Shanks can’t die. He’s the biggest mystery in the entire series.

[edgy oracle]

Buggy has a big role to play I feel since he was the one who almost chopped off luffy's head on the same stand Roger died

[tribal estuary]

Final saga , hope it goes on for another few years

[pallid kite]

Oda’s saga can last for 3 or more years 😂.

[edgy oracle]

I rather oda finish this and then start writing about Roger 😃 and all the other amazing characters or even write about rox

[leaden pulsar]

I just found an actully good theory about black beard and it makes too much sense too
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/v8jwen/blackbeards_biggest_secret_is_revealed/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[foggy iris]

Kid is way too weak to be an Emperor. He lost vs Kaido too many times and lost an arm vs Shanks. His development during the fight wasnt even half the Luffy development, he still using the same attack over and over and now has a weird awakening, thats all.
Mihawk can kill the entire Kid's crew by himself

[edgy oracle]

Now now don't trash on kid.....he was just using god usopp's technique(aka ussopp hammer) on bigmom but with his rail gun😂

[raven parcel]

Silly little theory I’m a little attached to : Kaido and Big Mom were beaten the way they are so they can get up much later, very much weakened by the lava, and Blackbeard will beat them both up and make them his commanders in the final war so the rocks kind of come back together. Toss in Weevil in there, Blackbeard can manipulate him too.

[crimson pendant]

Irrelevant, because Mihawk cannot compete against an Emperor's crew. Law teamed up with the Stawhats, and now with Kid which could imply Law is the subservient 1. In an earlier chapter they outlined what an Emperor needs when the newspaper called Luffy the 5th Emperor and the world government refused to make it official. He did not meet the qualifications. Mihawk im sure is stronger than any of us know but he isn't strong enough by himself to take on an entire Yonko crew. If he was he would be the strongest being by a very large margin.

[safe snow]

Yeah, it is silly

Kaido or BM would rather die then be under the command of anyone else especially Kaido

[latent ether]

wano alone lasted 3-4 years so its safe to say we have another 10 or more years to come

[pure raven]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tepid escarp]

It's weird actually that Akainu refused to let Kizaru go and let greenbull do it instead it might imply that something happened to Kizaru during Wano arc

I mean both Kizaru and greenbull seem high all the time but Kizaru is faster so what's the big deal

[pure raven]

I would think a prequel of how the ancient kingdom fell would be nicer.

[edgy oracle]

All of it is awesome :D

[split glacier]

Apep/Apothis is associated with storms, thunder, darkness, death and earthquakes

[brazen cypress]

fr?Robin is missing?

[orchid laurel]

Where tf is robin

[foggy iris]

Tbh, she's probably just reading poneglyphs. We didnt see Usopp and Franky either until the end of the chapter, so maybe Robin will show up at the beginning of the next chapter with some cool revelation.

[mint gulch]

Lots of people on Reddit guessing she's reading poneglyphs. I'm in that camp. None of the SHs are freaking out and rushing to tell Luffy that something has happened, so it's not like she was kidnapped in the timeskip week

[foggy iris]

Exactly. They're just chilling in the castle knowing that Franky, Usopp and Robin were busy in something else

[mint gulch]

Exactly. Every single other time that there's been some emergency, they were super quick to tell Luffy when he wakes up. If the WG is gonna make a move, it's what Green Bull is here to do before we go on hiatus.

[old pelican]

Green bulls arrives, sends everyone flying to another 5 year training montage, refuses to elaborate further, goes home again.

[stark path]

I've observed something pretty catchy that I don't see anyone talking about is that Ryokugyu might just possibly be a member of SWORD. If you look at the panels he appeared in either directly or talking on a den den mushi you'd think there's nothing special going on here but this is just classic Oda throwing a lore bomb out of nowhere. If you recall in chapter 956 when Koby and Drake were talking their "code" was Sea-Mist before they went ahead and talked what's happening in Wano, and then you contrast that into when Ryokugyu is talking into a den den mushi to CP0 and it was right when Zuniesha dissapeared into a mist in the sea, heavy hints that Ryokugyu is a member of SWORD

[formal marsh]

Yeah and dog-sama is also missing irrc

[mint gulch]

How did I miss that one?!?! He's in 1051 with Cat Viper, clearly alive. Why has nobody mentioned his absence? Maybe he's helping watch over Robin then

[formal marsh]

Denjiro is also missing, I think, they prob just together around the poneglyph

[stark path]

And yet another thing is that why would Oda dedicate some pages to X Drake and Hawkins calling him a marine dog out of nowhere and Drake as far as we know is a captain of SWORD. Yeah I have a feeling that Ryokugyu has something to do with SWORD

[native prawn]

Who was hijacking the snail phones telling the CP0 to wait for them ?

[gilded eagle]

Green bull i guess

[old pelican]

The man with the longest leg hair

[patent sail]

I sense Green Bull being a good guy. He told CP0 to stay put cuz he maybe wants to do something he doesn’t want the WG to know about. The supposed father to Zoro had a green bull on his back so he might be from Wano coming to give his appreciation.

[pure raven]

Nah not more green bull zoro dad 😭

He might be onto something

[desert mango]

Idk why an admiral would help wano out tho if he’s trying to gather information or lay low

[foggy iris]

Apoo could be the one on the Den Den Mushi at the start

[eager frost]

possible. clearly not there to fight SH by himself

[pure raven]

So how high do u guys think the bounties are gonna be?

[flint osprey]

I think Luffy will be 4 billion + because of nika

[foggy iris]

Ryokugyu stated that he didnt eat in 3 years because he was lazy to do so, but he would eat if a pretty girl feeds him food (and its kinda obvious that he doesnt need to eat because he's a plant guy)

I can see Fujitora being the one that bet his eyes to fulfill a pray

[frosty pasture]

anyone have a theory for why devil fruits lose their power in the water?

[median hemlock]

is ryokugyu SWORD member? that is the question

no.. luffy drown in normal water too in alabasta when crocodile drown them.. skypiea too sea cloud

[eternal dove]

so is Ryokogu a samurai from wano?

[white pendant]

Did you read one piece..?

[shell crescent]

i saw a theory that says that ryokugyu is zoro´s father

and it actually makes sense if u think, but idk

[eternal dove]

wasnt there a theory that zoros parents were from wano too?

[stark path]

Posted my theory on the sub but it was removed due to 24h rule which I didnt know about

[shell crescent]

ye its the same theory i think

can i send a vid link here in this chat or no?

[median hemlock]

no

[shell crescent]

ok ty

[stark path]

I'm gonna talk about the ryokugyu SWORD connection in the spoilers discussion cuz cba typing if anyone wants to chime in

[nimble zodiac]

its impossible, cause i think he contacted CP0

[stark path]

there are too many connections this chapter which imply that he MIGHT BE a member of sword

[nimble zodiac]

Kuzan is most suitable for the role of SWORD, he spying over the blackbeard

like drake over kaido

[eternal dove]

wait did i miss something? what is SWORD?

[nimble zodiac]

it's marine special forces for to spy on the activities of the yonko

[stark path]

organization that Koby and Drake are a part of, chapter 956 was the first introduction to it

[eternal dove]

ooohhh ok...

[stark path]

we do not know what their goal is, other than that it consists of people that are on the right side of justice

[eternal dove]

similar to what Corazon did

[nimble zodiac]

complete opposite of CP0

[stark path]

I'm just gonna copy paste the theory I made on the sub: So the interesting observation that I've found in the recent chapter is the way Ryokugyu is being re-introduced. In 1052 we can hear him through CP0's den den mushi while he was hijacking it all the while Zuniesha was dissapearing into the mist. You might think it was nothing special but if you recall during chapter 956 while Drake was talking to Koby their I'm assuming identity code was Sea(Koby) Mist(Drake) and they proceeded talk about what's happening in the Wano and CP0 doing business with Orochi and Kaido. Now on the current chapter see Drake talking to Hawkins, Ryokugyu hijacking signal to CP0 all the while Zuniesha is dissapearing into the Sea Mist and Sakazuki telling Ryokugyu "not to do anything unecessary", all these hints pointing out that Ryokugyu might possibly be the member of SWORD.

Now when he joined them etc is currently up in the air but if there is a thing that I've learned while reading One Piece over the years is that there are no coincidences in this manga. Now Ryokugyu himself might even be from Wano and Momo said that he wants to make this land the paradise it once was, and considering that people were right about Ryokugyu's DF powers what if he wants to help in doing so? That might be one of his goals in arriving to Wano, and 2nd goal would be to see Drake and get him up to speed on what's going on in the outside world, we still don't know what SWORD's goal as an organization is but one thing we know is that SWORD consists of members that are on the right side of justice(Koby and Drake), so theories like Ryokugyu capturing Robin etc might as well just go out of water. Highly doubt that if this is indeed true that Ryokugyu is a head of SWORD since he only joined Marines during time-skip so theories like Garp or Aokiji being heads of SWORD are still in play

[nimble zodiac]

Are you implying that Ryokugyu came to rescue Drake?

we don't know about Ryokugyu cause he only became admiral during time-skip, how long he serves and what his rank used to be, we do not know

[stark path]

one of the possibilities, it might also just be Oda baiting all of us

[eternal dove]

The part where Sakazuki said to Ryokugyu dont do anything unnecessary intrigues me

[nimble zodiac]

because there could be a war between Wano country and the world government, if Ryokugyu fails

even Gorosei afraid about this mess

[eternal dove]

Nah sounds like Ryokugyu didnt go to Wano to catch Luffy.. Could be opposite. Thats why I had the throy that he is a Samurai from WAno

[brazen bear]

∆ The crews total and individual bounty will increase because 'strawhats' are already a emperor level crew
∆ they have 3 road poneglyff ( being the closest to onepiece )
∆ already world is undergoing a major change ( warlord system demolition , so every warlord will get a huge bounty increase based on their connections , power , and the informations they have )

Luffy : 5 B [ Mythical Zoan DF ( rarest DF) , 3 adv haki ( only 10 or so peoples have that ) , defeated kaido ( strongest creature ) , have 3 poneglyff ( closest to onepiece )]
Zoro : 2B [ 3 adv haki , have 2 great great swords , defeated King who has a bounty of (1.4B )]
Sanji : 1.8B [ 2 haki , son of vinsmoke , body awakening , defeated queen (1.3 B bounty )]
Robin : 1B [ only remaining person who can read poneglyff ]
Yamato : 800M [ son of yonko , 2 adv haki , Mythical Zoan DF ]
Jimbei : 700M [warlord bounty increase due to his connections ]
Franky : 600M [∆]
Brook : 600M [∆]
Usopp : 500M [∆]
Nami : 400M [∆]
Chopper : 300M [∆]

∆== emperor crew bounty increase + they defeated their enemy

(by Parthiv ms)

[stark path]

I'm heavily interested as in what the main goal of sword is

[red tundra]

He would get no diffed if he tries anything. Green bull is no threat.

[eternal dove]

sounds like Sword has connections to Revolution to be honest

[nimble zodiac]

I'm interested about Eustass bounty

[stark path]

something just leads me to believe that they want to combat WG either through direct or indirect means

[brazen bear]

It might go up to 2,5b tbh

[nimble zodiac]

who's higher Law or Kid?

[stark path]

chopper 300M? Nah lol

[brazen bear]

Law, since he has 2 ponoglyh's ~ kid has only 1

[nimble zodiac]

maybe 1M?)))

[stark path]

Oda likes to troll Chopper's bounty p hard so I'm on the fence with any bounty prediction for him higher than 500 beli

[brazen bear]

Then 300 berries

[brazen bear]

Well, nvm kid is def gonna have higher bounty and he will prob claim the yonko position (idrk next chapter we'll know )

[stark path]

I'm kinda on board with Buggy becoming a yonko out of nowhere lol

[brazen bear]

LOL bro i was just reading something about who would claim it and at #7 there was buggy LMFAO ( also this is the stupidest thing ive read in my life ngl its filled with bs )

[eternal dove]

So I have this theory in the final saga

Shanks will have the last poneglyph and is actually guarding it and is waiting for the right person to become the pirate king.

Shanks and Blackbeard will have a big fight where Blackbeard will win and will maybe kill Shanks which will leave a bad taste in our mouth since Shanks didnt get to see Luffy

Luffy will have a massive reason to fight Blackbeard and 1 person in Luffys crew (im guessing Nami) will end up calling in the Luffy's grand fleet and maybe the Ninja Pirate Samurai Mink Alliances too to help them fight Blackbeard where it will be a massive war between Luffy's grand fleet and Blackbeards crew.

[brazen bear]

nice theory

[eternal dove]

Thanks knowing Oda though I bet hes making something we wont expect

[cedar crown]

https://sotaku.com/sanji-vs-admiral-ryokugyu-foreshadowing/

[random sequoia]

Prolly, I read somewhere that apparently an editor of One Piece has seen numerous fan theories on the final saga, and apparently nobody is close in their theorizing

[vale mesa]

Which

[vale mesa]

Nah.. shanks will see Luffy eventually. But I think there will be a twist to that.

[polar wharf]

Based on previous bounty increases and the way the story just progressed I really don’t see Luffy’s bounty being higher than 3 Bill here are my main reasons as to why

1. if Luffy’s bounty jumps from 1.5 bill to 5 bill it’ll be a completely unreasonable change to the public eye and there will be riots everywhere about why has the world government decided to make Luffy’s bounty that high all of the sudden and the public will be suspicious that the world government is hiding something

2. I do believe that kaido’s bounty will be divided amongst everyone who fought on the roof, the scabbards and the worst generation ( including momo ) which would only be around 300 million berries if we devided amongst everyone and for the sake of the argument let’s give 600 million just for him dealing the finishing blow which currently makes Luffy’s bounty currently around 2.1 bill

3. I have reread all the roof piece fight scenes with big mom in them and I have found that luffy has never attacked big mom at all but let’s just say that the world government assumes that he did then the world gov would also divide her bounty among the five people who did which gives everyone around 800 million which leaves Luffy’s bounty at around 2.9 bill ( funnily enough that makes ni-ka in Japanese ) and I do believe that the world government would give law and kid 1.6 bill added to their bounties since they did the finishing blow

So here are the final bounties just from addition

Luffy: 1.5 bill + 600 mill + 800 mill = 2.9 bill

Law : 500 mill + 300 mill + 1.6 bill = 2.4 bill

Kidd: 470 mill + 300 mill + 1.6 bill = 2.37 bill

My math and reasoning is simply based on previous arcs and bounty increases, remember Luffy’s bounty only jumped to 1.5 bill after it was revealed to the world that he has a lot of subordinates and that he did beat katakuri and cracker.

[sand sail]

Bounty talk is better for one of the main manga channels

This isn't a very good message for this channel, it's meant for high effort theories

[polar wharf]

Tbh it’s just a bounty theory and the fact that the main manga channels are always full

[rotund grail]

Hey guys, What do you think about this theory?

Hypothesis: The person who intercepted the CP0 Den Den Mushi at the beginning of chapter 1052 is actually Vegapunk, and not Greenbull.

Proof:
First of all, and most relevant imo, is that the "bzzt" present isn't considered as a "traditional" sound effect, and seems to be coming from the other end of the den den, as the dialogue bubbles are joined together, see the image I attach (I take this as vegapunk tinkering with stuff in his lab)

Secondly, I think it's generally strange for Greenbull to want to contact CP0 at all here. The CP0 member wasn't present for any major events in onigashima, and didn't receive any known orders to take down luffy or any of that relevant information. All of that was entrusted to Bowler Hat, and he and maha are now presumably dead. On the contrary, it would make sense for Vegapunk to contact a CP0 agent because vegapunk works directly with the world government. Why he would be contacting CP0 is something i've yet to dive into, my best guess would have to be something related to the SSG, considering CP0s recent failure at this moment.

Thirdly, (and last), because we know a week has passed since someone intercepted the den den, it is strange to me that it would have taken a week for Greenbull to get to wano, even if it were from New Marineford. Why? Because (a) Sakazuki is only now learning that one of his four strongest marines is on a trip to wano (which is a specific place of interest, mind you) Whilst it can be interpreted in the TCB translation that akainu is already aware of greenbull's mission, in my own experience with the raws it can be more literally translated to imply otherwise. I will include the raws for reference in case anybody wants to attempt their own translations. As well, Wano was highlighted by Akainu as a place they don't plan on visiting, and then suddenly he sends a lonesome admiral to what is now considered an impossibly difficult place to penetrate? (b) It is possible Greenbull was simply stationed nearby regardless. I think all of this alludes heavily to the idea that it didn't actually take 7 days for Greenbull to reach wano mainland.

Furthermore, just to consider. I think post-arcs are a great time historically for exposition dumps like this, and it's a relevant and clever bait and switch imo. It is also worth mentioning imo that despite us not knowing much about Greenbull, I wouldn't necessarily consider "intercepting a top secret CP0 den den mushi" something that a marine admiral is capable of doing, especially when (I believe, I may need to brush on this) there are ways to encrypt den den mushi conversations from the beginning of Punk Hazard.

Hope the theory was insightful! 🙂

[mighty fulcrum]

Man guys

Does that mean that page where the straw hat grand fleet is, and it says a great incident of hisotric proportions is related to Robin getting captured, she’s center stage on that page

[modest skiff]

@mighty fulcrum ask questions like that in #manga-serious please. This channel is for posts like the one above yours

[mighty fulcrum]

Okay my bad will do!

[modest skiff]

No worries, thank you

[rotund grail]

Would be interested in your thoughts on my theory above if you're interested @modest skiff

I believe this is a message more suited to #also-manga or #manga-serious, you may want to consider re-asking there 👍

[sand sail]

@minor saddle Go ahead and listen to the helper pls

[minor saddle]

Oh I see I see

[rotund grail]

@wispy compass @mint prairie @solid parcel I would be really interested in hearing your opinions about this 🙂

@patent lake those messages are more befitting of #manga or #also-manga, i kindly request you re-ask there

and please read the channel description in future

[tiny ocean]

1. : WG admitted that they cant hide this fact that kaido and big mom got beaten. the news will be all over anyways.
   2: Luffy take down kaido alone. Its stated in the manga that the one who took down kaido is JoyBoy (luffy). Others held off kaido, fought him good for them, but luffy defeated him alone.

Luffy is officially the strongest creature in the world (in public eye). Id say atleast 5B, but nothing less than 4B.

[rotund grail]

Hey @tiny ocean the effort you put in your response is appreciated, but see below that message, it is preferred we keep the bounty talk to the other manga channels please 🙂

[solid parcel]

Hmm, I do like the theory, but I might not be sure if that’s Vegapunk himself. There’s a bit of a confusion here with seven days passing. What was the deal with that? What’s taking so long?
But the noises indeed sound somewhat mechanical to assume there’s a technology being used or fixed on caller’s side. That’s what I assume as well. It might be anyone else though given that absolutely nothing happened to Wano in that short amount of time. Maybe an enemy to WG?

[pure raven]

I used every brain cell imaginable

[acoustic swift]

Small theory but fun to think about. Luffy's new bounty will be the last it rises and it will say wanted "Dead" instead of alive. 😄

[mint prairie]

Ryokugyuu's dialogue is rather interesting, he is extremely casual, vague, and at the end dismissive of Sakazuki. He doesn't seem to be following a plan or order, I'd say he is following his own agenda. While I think Vegapunk being behind the signal hijacking is an interesting thought, I wouldn't put it past Ryokugyuu to straight up butting into the Gorosei's call just to hinder their activities for the meantime.

[rotund grail]

Yep! It's precisely these reasons why at the very minimum, I find it hard to believe that at the start of the chapter it's greenbull intercepting the Den Den Mushi, my only question is why GB would want to hinder the gorosei?

Or furthermore, there are flaws with my theory that make it not vegapunk as the obvious answer, so it is interesting to theorise who it could be

Personally I think vegapunk is a character who needs an exposition dump who fits the pill comfortably

[pure raven]

well i have a theory that greenbull might be there to get kaido's and big mom's devil fruit coz there was also a theory that when a devil fruit user dies the nearest fruit becomes that devil fruit(something like this also happened in punk hazard) and also the marines want these fruits soo bad

[rotund grail]

The obvious interpretation i believe from chapter 1052 is that Greenbull intercepted the Den Den Mushi, discovered that the gorosei want Nico Robin captured, and is going to attempt it for himself, having taken ~7 days to get to wano.

However I think there are reasons to believe why this could be bait by oda, as explained above. However the devil fruits are interesting and not something I would have considered. I don't think it's necessarily closest fruits(?) that are reincarnated.

[pure raven]

how's my theory tho

[shut finch]

Yoooo fun theory. I still think it’s green bull as you’ve acknowledged as the obvious interpretation, but Vegapunk is an interesting theory and I think all that you pointed out would line up well enough.

My only real confusion would be a question I have regardless of who it is, which is what the WG fleet is doing now. If it’s Greenbull, we can maybe guess that the fleet has been there waiting for him the entire time.

If vegapunk came, what exactly is going on? Did he take 7 days? Or if he got there earlier, are they already in the country? Outside preparing something? Left for whatever reason???

These aren’t things against your theory at all, I’m just kinda wondering what the hell the status of the fleet is

[glacial mountain]

Was it the nearest or was it random?

When the DF user dies the fruit is reborn in another fruit of the same kind, but the question is how long does it take for the fruit to appear again?

[pearl schooner]

I wanted to make an honest comment, I understand and even expect confrontations between the monster trio and the admirals, but there is a block that prevents me from visualizing luffy facing akainu having aokiji to do that. And it's not simply a matter of revenge or matchup, there are a dozen people wanting to beat akainu, but aokiji is beyond that, it's a dispute over justice, which oda has already commented on before being the most important: "the opposite of justice is a different justice", the most embarrassing thing about the final war is the fact that kidd, luffy and law reach the top tier and don't have enough villains to face all of luffy's allies, especially these 3, what do you think will happen?

[ember oriole]

Guys wasn’t there a theory that green bull was a native of wano and when he heard what happened are open he wants to ge there

[glacial mountain]

Yes there was one

[ember oriole]

Personally I think green bull is going to reveal what we heard about sabo in the reverie and the Alabasta incident or the newspaper that apoo has is also gonna show what happened in the world while we were in wano

[stark path]

Idk I'm kinda on board that Ryokugyu is a SWORD member

[ember oriole]

Oooo that’s a decent theory

[stark path]

I've posted it earlier today and yeah, lot of evidence for it to be true

[glacial mountain]

So according to you Aokiji is the one that will defeat Akainu, tbh I don't know it depends on how the story plays out. According to many theories Sabo is the one that should defeat Akainu but as you say it's a dispute of Justice it's not impossible for Aokiji to fight Akainu, but the chance of it happening is low. Also as Aokiji lost the fight and also lost a leg in the process.

[pearl schooner]

I'm afraid it's unfeasible, we've already seen that the sword and the WG are expressly opposed and the admirals are dogs of the WG and the tenryuubitos, the sword is almost a revolutionary division within the navy and fujitora and greenbull are new to the corporation (they were enlisted from outside the navy for the positions) I believe they simply do their jobs, I think between the 2 fujitora would be more likely joing the sword

[ember oriole]

Also if wano ends before that one month break if greenbull was actually a villain there wouldn’t be enough time to fully showcase him and his powers and him being defeated as we have never seen him before so I feel like we will get a lot it information from him before the hiatus

[keen monolith]

We all think green bull has a plant fruit but it’s not impossible that he has been to the same island as usopp

[ember oriole]

Lmao what if he is that guy Ussop met🤣

[pearl schooner]

I'm going to get into a more geopolitical spectrum in my argument now, but I understand if you disagree, Aokiji's defeat in the past is irrelevant at this point, I believe a revolutionary or a pirate defeating akainu will not prove that he's wrong, I believe that for most people it would actually be like evil overcoming good, while aokiji would be like good overcoming corrupt, but I understand if you disagree

[ember oriole]

Is there a place to put bounty predictions?

[glacial mountain]

No, I don't disagree, I can see that happening and it would be good but the probability of it happening is low.

[stark path]

Yes there is also evidence for it to not to be true as well, but why would Oda then waste pages on Drake, have Zuniesha dissapear in the Sea Mist and then have Ryokugyu hijacking CP0 den den mushi, we dont know much about him but to me he feels like he's on the right side of justice, like Coby and Drake

[pearl schooner]

I believe that aokiji is a member of the sword secretly, so I believe that there is a high chance of this happening, especially in a possible death of the garp at the hands of the akainu (garp is like a master for aokiji)

[ember oriole]

My bounty predictions:

Luffy-5bil or 5.6 depending on whether this is his last bounty as I think his will surpass rogers

Zoro1.5 billion

Sanji 1.477b

Yamato 990M(would do higher but WG might not no much but I’m sure it will still be high)

Jinbei 800M

Nico Robin:666M representing her being the ‘devils child’

Ussop-500M
Back in dressrosa he was named the 500million man so I think it could foreshadow his real bounty

Franky 494M

Brook:420M (although he is stronger than people above him that I’m predicting he did less in wano than others)

Nami 366M

Chopper 1000berries

Extras:

Law:2.5B

Kid 2.5B
(Although law is a lil stronger than kid oda has said in an sbs he originally had more plans for kid than law showing he likes kid as a Charachter also they both took out big mom so in the WG eyes they are even also big moms bounty was very high so I think they will split a nice bounty like this and I don’t think it will be lower than any strawhats as I think oda wants them to be the New world pirate yonkos ,although I think the yonko system will be scrapped ahaha

Killer 800M-1B I think his bounty will be highly increased as his participation in the rooftop battle and he was able to cut kaido

I know I wrote a lot but I put a lot of thought into this lmaooo(don’t judge me)

[pearl schooner]

Let's see what's to happen in the next chapters

[trail shale]

Luffy 7b and i think blackbeards bounty will increase to 4.3b

No gurarararararaarararara

[ember oriole]

I think Ussop gonna be 500M because of that dressrosa ‘500million man scene’

[stark path]

Tru, I don't think I've ever looked forward to spoilers as much as I am now lol

[ember oriole]

Yeah bro said 7 billion 😭

[trail shale]

normally i would say ruffy 5b but dont underestimate oda,ruffy has the nika fruit and the gorosei knows how dangerous it is so it wouldnt wonder me if ruffy bountie is at 7b or higher

[pure raven]

well i guess luffy should be 3.8-4.6 BIllion berries

[trail shale]

thats way to low i think

[pearl schooner]

I've been saying this for a long time and I'll say it again, the crowd has very high expectations, especially zoro fans, you'll be disappointed most likely, it even seems like defeating King with 1.39 will give more than 1.5 to zoro ... Yamato is another one, despite being strong, she is almost a ghost for the government, if she receives more than 500m it will be fan service in my opinion, I have very low expectations, for me zoro and sanji don't get 1.5 because it was the value of luffy's bounty when he was "speculated as the next emperor", it's a very strong and important number

[pure raven]

but bro even roger wasn't more than 5.6 so theres no way before becoming pirate king luffy is 7

[ember oriole]

On the book in wci it said ‘Monkey d Luffy 5,000,000,000 berries

[pure raven]

oh

[pure raven]

Hmm maybe at eos

[ember oriole]

That’s what I’m sayinggggg I agree with you bro

[trail shale]

its often that zorro gets approximately the bounty from luffy from the last arc,im really sure that zorros bounty will at least be at 1.4b and im also sure the government knows that yamato is kaidos daughter so under 500m would be very low but we see it friday

[pure raven]

hmm agreed

[pearl schooner]

Luffy is the son of the most dangerous man in the world and big mom has 84 children

[safe snow]

Yeah

Being daughter of Kaido shouldn't have any impact on the bounty

[pure raven]

hmm

[trail shale]

yeah true i agree but it wouldnt make much sense if her bounty would be under 500m because shes way too strong for 500m

[safe snow]

It kinda depends on whatever the informant was feeding to the Morgan

[pure raven]

yep she stood on to fight with kido in his strongest form

[pearl schooner]

It will make a lot less sense if her bounty is high, kidd and law have bounties of 470 and 500, both have the bankroll to have more than 1bi for a long time, especially kidd who was already so strong even before kaido defeat him

Strength doesn't matter much, what matters is relevance, if yamato is a ghost, there's no point being treated like a star, regardless of her strength

[trail shale]

if the government saw yamatos full strenght then her bountiy is at least 1b if not it could be that her bounty is 500m or lower

but in the end we arent oda, we all know that oda isnt calculable so all these theories could be very bad

[pearl schooner]

The question is exactly that, in practice yamato did nothing, he fought kaido in a fight with no results, this has no relevance, it's the same as chopper facing queen momentarily, simply has no relevance, Several people faced Kaido in this war, but in practice the credit goes mainly to Luffy, Kidd and Law for the defeat of the Emperors, regardless of whether 20 people came to attack Big Mom and Kaido

Yamato is strong, but it's not possible to measure his dangerousness yet in the government's view, he's a ghost

Red Pirates:
Rockstar's bounty: 94m

The guy faced the whitebeard, don't underestimate the ||son of xebec||

[stark path]

Btw that BB theory on the subreddit front page kinda goes hard, it's my head canon now

[sand sail]

The casual and bounty conversation can be taken to another channel guys

[somber flume]

Why is there no merfolk devil fruit user?

[proud tree]

But there are... Jack ate a Zoan Devil fruit and he is a fishmen that can breathe underwater (confirmed, since otherwise he would have drowned after Zunesha sank his ship). Also there is Van der Decken.

[quiet quiver]

Do y'all think Oda will continue the gag of making Chopper's bounty super low

[proud tree]

Any theories on how little garden was still trapped in the age of dinosaurs (chapter 115)? Otherwise it could be an application of Tokis fruit, sending dinosaurs into the future, or the awakening of Tokis fruit allows to send entire islands into the future .... or is this just explainable with: the grand line is a weird place (maybe created by the ancient kingdom or the void century) , island isolation and magnetic fields colliding create this age difference.

[light bluff]

WHAT A THEORY

[plucky arrow]

Meteorite missed

[proud tree]

or since Fujitoras fruit allows to call in Meteroites he/(the gravity fruit user) could also send them away and protect little garden

[plucky arrow]

What if little garden just came down from space and they are actually space dinosaurs

[light bluff]

First message I see in this server and I'm impressed

[signal hearth]

What if it’s just cuz the world is fiction that it kept dinosaurs, just a theory

[plucky arrow]

One piece is real stfu 🤬

[buoyant finch]

Not mine credits to original poster what do yall think of the possibility of kaido and big mom being carried away by a new sky island

[golden stump]

Did Robin got abducted again or is she reading the poneglyph? We didnt see her on the last chapter.

[stark path]

Most likely reading the poneglyph

[steady prism]

Someone on this server surprisingly called it, a very nice theory indeed #manga-theories message

[sweet inlet]

Since Brook hasn’t said anything safe to assume she’s just reading a ponsglyph

[weary hornet]

wheres the poneglyph?

[pure raven]

in your kokoro

[fathom matrix]

My guess is, he's either going to feel pressured to recapture robin, OR BETTER YET!

What if he doesn, but he gets captured instead?

Robin might say something like "you think after that incident at Ennies Lobby and being on the run for 22 year, I would let CP9, let alone CP0 capture me?"

And maybe he gets interrogated or they attempt to but he manages to escape. He might let something slip or he says something omminous as he's going.

And if the WG ship asks "what are you going to tell the Gorosei?" he could say "I failed my mission. I have to face the music"

[fathom matrix]

Actually

They look really really worried

It could be that whoever is contacting them is an ally or a member of the marines/WG who needs their help or is hoping they stay for them to get picked up.

Because the den den Mushi has it's eyes circled, it's sweating and it's lips are shaking

[visual merlin]

they're dead

[pure raven]

Well big mom was in water for a while no? And she didn’t drown

[proud tree]

jack is a fishmen confirmed, it is on on the wiki

[pure raven]

Ik im saying him being in water doesn’t mean anything

[modest skiff]

Well she did suffer temporary brain damage, healed by Queen’s dome

[proud tree]

Big Mom lost consciousness under water, while Jack staid awake with open eyes.

[gaunt steppe]

What would happen if Spandam came back? Especially with the whole thing with capturing Robin?

[cloud sail]

robin aint getting captured, shes just looking at poneglyths like she does everytime

[stark path]

Maybe Ifrit was an ancient Lunarian king which Sanji's attack is based off of. Makes sense

[merry sleet]

Ifrit means a demon/jinn/devil of some kind in arabic. Could just be a reference to that or something

[ember nexus]

HI
a friend of mine posted a theory about the new bounties.
pretty interesting
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/v9lo6g/post_wano_bounties_for_sh_others/
enjoy

[sand sail]

This couldn't make sense, Sanji doesn't know who lunarians are. But yes, it's a real life concept

[vital pilot]

It had to mean something!?

[eternal dove]

You know I've been watching back the earlier episodes and there's some episodes when Sanji's whole body turns to fire whenever he's either angry or excited. I thought for a second it was just a background thing but even after the camera changed the fire around his body didn't disappear.

[grand kindle]

Theory: greenbull is zoro father. And he is from wano👍

[pallid kite]

I concur with this assessment except for Luffy’s bounty. I predict Luffy’s bounty will surpass Shank’s and BB. Reason being ability to awaken Nika/JoyBoy. But Luffy will not become a Yonko. Yonko titles will be given to Law and Kid.

[pure raven]

I like the theory either Buggy and/or Boa will become Emperors

[bitter prism]

I’ve posted this in #manga with a bit of evidence to back it up

[bitter prism]

There’s just been a little foreshadowing for Ushimaru to be Zoro’s father and it would make sense for the story, too.

[modest skiff]

Oda has directly said Ushimaru is not Zoro's dad. But that doesn't mean he isn't related.

[bitter prism]

I said Green Bull could be Zoro’s dad and is Ushimaru’s son.

[modest skiff]

yeah i think that's entirely possible

[bitter prism]

And Green Bull’s hair is even green in the color scans of the Manga, and the color Green has always been associated with Zoro since day one. Imagine if Ryokugyu looks like 40 year old Zoro but with like facial hair or something

[modest skiff]

Official colors?

[bitter prism]

I think so. It looks like it’s from the official color scans, anyways.

[modest skiff]

Can you link me? I don't think there are official colorings of the new chapter yet

[steel shadow]

Nah that's a fan coloring

[bitter prism]

Still a possibility for that to be the case tho

As for why Green Bull is there I believe he’s there to first confirm that Big Mom and Kaido are 100% dead and to Reforest Wano’s desolate lands.

[full tusk]

has someone seem nico robin in the last chapter?

[bitter prism]

She’s probably just checking out the Poneglyph somewhere on the Island.

[full tusk]

last pannel of her was when Brook and she went in raizos water

[pure raven]

Pretty sure she was with the straw hats when Yamato showed up

Said something like “my you are an interesting one ❤️” to Yamato

[bitter prism]

Oh yeah you’re right

[full tusk]

funny one.... found her but shes tiny at that pannel

[bitter prism]

Plus I’m sure that Luffy or the crew would be more concerned if they didn’t know where she was for SEVEN WHOLE DAYS.

[full tusk]

every sh member was in this chapter except her 😅

[bitter prism]

But they aren’t worried at all

[burnt osprey]

well whenever robin is missing she's always off looking at the poneglyph
think she'll show up next chapter

i mean the strawhats wouldnt be bathing and relaxing if one of the members were missing
but i do speculate greenbull might target her

[lunar wren]

Are there any theories that say green bull is from Wano?

[fresh kite]

Sogeking is Bon clay

[night quiver]

clown d. buggy is sogeking

[lunar wren]

just a curiosity

[tranquil relic]

Can’t wait for soge king reveal

[naive wolf]

scroll up actually

my thoughts: Nah, i dont think Green Bull will turn out to be from Wano, nor do i hope he suddenly being all supportive with wano people or SH alliance; he will cause a conflict for sure, yet i dont think he will be the total agresive one

he is very calm to take orders as we can see, but that doesnt mean he want to do exactly the opposit of what akainu is telling him to do: in resume, i think he kinda trust and obey akainu

[clear grail]

Could Ryokugyu be inspired from Tarvos Trigaranus？ https://c8.alamy.com/comp/PR9BB5/19th-century-illustration-of-tarvos-trigaranus-tarvos-trigaranus-or-taruos-trigaranos-is-a-divine-figure-who-appears-on-a-relief-panel-of-the-pillar-PR9BB5.jpg

[crystal quiver]

could be another fujitora/kuma situation

[naive wolf]

exactly

but i prefer it to be a complex conflict, no necessary fighting, but no being so easily on peace

[crystal quiver]

yeah i agree, will be interesting what oda does. Was also thinking is it too late in the story for oda to introduce plant based zoans???

[naive wolf]

never too late no

[light bluff]

We haven't heard from the capture of the shichibukai yet. Maybe we'll see mihawks bounty in 1053

[stark path]

As long as the powers are done in a correct way then its never too late

[fresh kite]

buggy bout to be an emperor

[stark path]

Honestly I dont know where that idea came from but I'm totally on board lol

[fresh kite]

if i told you buggy would be a warlord and you are in alabasta, you wouldnt belive me, if i told you buggy would be an emperor, you probably also wouldnt belive me, so why not

[desert notch]

Buggy doing some extreme feat accidentally and becominng a yonko sounds like the funniest shit. Would definetly want to see that

[tiny vapor]

You know how buggy took luffys bracelet in marineford(?) which apparently leads to captain johns treasure? I think that bracelet and treasure might somehow allow buggy to reach laugh tale at the end of one piece and he might participate in the final war or whatever thats gonna happen at laugh tale by accident

[tropic surge]

There has to be a way for him to get away from the Marines without fighting. I'm curious what Oda has in store for him.

[feral pine]

Buggy will be Pirate King.

[split dagger]

I want know what are y'all opinions on the bountys, more specific Luffy bounty. Like everyone think the last bounty of Luffy will be 5.6B because we all know that 5 means(go) and 6 means(mu). So I think first of all the bountys of chapter 1053 will be the second to last bounty, I see alot of people saying that Luffy will raise between 4 and 5 B some say he will get an higher bounty than kaido, I think that's wrong because if that happens means that for the last bounty it will raise a few milions, so I think this bounty will be between 3 and 4 B because that would means Luffy bounty would raise between 1.5 and 2.5 and, and I think that's fair menbers because cp0 was there they know that Luffy didn't defeated alone kaido he had help

Plus people are saying that he got a higher bounty than the person he defeated and they gave katacuri example saying that Luffy defeated katacuri and he got a higher bounty than him so he defeated kaido he will get an higher bounty, and people that are saying that didn't watch one piece because why can u say that, yes Luffy got an higher bounty than katacuri, but he just defeated katacuri he also defeated than man with 800m, so Luffy an 1B and an 800m and got an 1.5 bounty, fair

People that say that Luffy always get an higher bounty than the person they defeated forget about, crocodile, Luffy defeat crocodile he didn't get an higher bounty or arlong

[tropic surge]

Wasn't Arlong 20M and Luffys 30M?

As for Crocodile, didn't the Marines take the merit of defeating Cocodrile? Might be misremembering

We know the world gov is afraid of Joyboy so I could see it both ways, either they give Luffy the highest bounty ever, so he becomes a main target, or they could even lower his bounty so that he doesn't draw much attention and the Marines could move in on him

[ashen surge]

5,6 billion mark my words

[ashen surge]

Crocodiles was 80mil and Luffy got 100

[dapper rain]

That's higher than gold roger, that's like the highest bounty ever in history. I don't think Luffy is there yet, he's barely even established as an emperor. That said, that bounty isn't exactly an overreaction from the WG, given their apparent fear of Luffy's devil fruit

[hollow perch]

gol d roger*

[pure raven]

He had higher then croc and Arlong but def not 5.6. Like Luffy nice but it would be dumb if he has a higher bounty then Roger before becoming the king

Usopp is getting a crazy bounty man

[pure raven]

doubt

At least 500m

[sand sail]

Bounty talk is better for #manga guys

[pure raven]

It’s a theory tbh

[split dagger]

I'm saying that new bounty will be between 3 and 4 B, not between 4 and 5 B like most people are saying

[pure raven]

I think it’s straight 5 bill but I could see 4 bc of some shanks stuff

[split dagger]

If I gets straight 5 Bill the final bounty will need to be 7 bill

[pure raven]

Idk like if wb found the op I doubt he will skyrocket that high like I’d say the same for Luffy it’s jsut a top off

Tbh isn’t dragon bounty like stated to like higher then Roger and I doubt Luffy is gonna be lower then dragon so that 7 bill just saying might not be that off

[worthy sinew]

Dragon's is the highest active bounty
But I doubt it's higher than roger's

[pure raven]

Wel that means it was higher then wb bc they would have been in the same period roughly so maybe?

[worthy sinew]

Hmm possibly

[final stag]

Luffy 5b

[odd musk]

who do you think will be yonko, law or kid?

[pure raven]

both

[sand sail]

This is not the channel for small conversation, please move to #manga

That includes bounty talk

[eager remnant]

Wait @sand sail I have photos of what Green Bull will most likely look like

[sand sail]

This isn't the place, go to #manga

[eager remnant]

Aight was just asking if they go here or can be considered spoilers but I guess neither, thanks

[lapis horizon]

So does big mom pirates information gathering
Is related to brulee since she can enter the world of mirror and spy on anyone

[sand sail]

#manga #manga-serious or #also-manga please

[split dagger]

Debating about bounty or who will be the next yonko is a theorie, we are theorizing

[sand sail]

It's not a discussion for this channel.

[split dagger]

So if I say that I think dragon has a higher bounty than Rogers is not a theorie?

[sand sail]

No, it's not. Please read the channel description.

[cobalt igloo]

The “bzzt” thing is a really good catch and definitely the selling point of this theory to me. The other two points are definitely possible but with the very little we know about cp0/marines I can see a case being made to counter them. Really hype theory tho, big if it’s true

[split dagger]

Yes sir

[undone marten]

What you think about the theorie that Greenbull is zoros dad and Ushimaru is the Father of Greenbull

so He is Zoros grandfather

[pure raven]

I think that Greenbull is the guy Hitetsu been waiting for

[silent kraken]

Good theory but I don't think it's greenbull

[bitter prism]

I think depending on Green Bill’s age, he may actually be Ushimaru’s brother. (Still Zoro’s dad, though)

[warm edge]

Yeah, pretty much

[bitter prism]

Imagine if he did end up having CoC LMAO.

[sly crypt]

Good theory but i think oda forgot that he made hitetsu say he was waiting for someone

[pure raven]

What if maybe just maybe green bull has no relation to wano?

[rose forge]

i think he has 0 relation to wano

[bitter prism]

This is the man who foreshadowed Sun God Nika since Skypeia, I HIGHLY doubt that.

[sly crypt]

He ended wano without answering about 100 questions ABOUT WANO

[indigo compass]

Wano isn't finished just yet

[bitter prism]

We’re going to get a informational book during One Piece’s break called The Road To Laughtale, which will probably answer most of the important questions we’ve had in this arc.

[fathom matrix]

after he finds the one piece and we reach the proper final arc, we may not have time for another bounty

So 5.6 bill may be his final one

[bitter prism]

We’re heading into the final saga, and we already know Luffy will surpass Roger. So him having a bounty beyond 5.6 eos is not that crazy to think about

[fathom matrix]

Plus, "Go (5)-Mu(6)"

actually, I wonder if Roger's bounty has anything special to it's name

It's 5,564,800,000 beris

And 2 5s could mean "Go Go" like quickly go

and 4 means yon but also means shi, and shi can mean death

6 is roku but also mu, but Roku can mean reward, or mu means not have or without

And while 8 is hachi, BUT there's an 800, and 800 is Happyyaku, Happy-Yaku

[slate mirage]

One thing is to forget,and another one is to drop a storyline. He wouldn't forget the fact that Hitetsu was waiting for someone. Not to say he dropped it. Hitetsu waiting for a person,doesn't need to be connected to the events unfolding in this arc.

[bitter prism]

My personal head canon is that either Ace or Ryokugyu is the one he was waiting for.

More than likely Ace

[fathom matrix]

So it's probably something like

5 5 go go
6 reward/without
4 death
800 happy

or

5- Go
56- Gomu
4-death
800-happy

[bitter prism]

So 5,564,000,000 for final bounty?

[fathom matrix]

that's roger's

But I'm thinking roger's bountry has some story symbolism

[bitter prism]

Okay so his 2nd-to last bounty then. Since Luffy is going to surpass Roger.

[fathom matrix]

OH OK
So 1000 means sen, and sen can mean battle, struggle, conflict

So if it was Gear 5th foreshadowing, it could have meant, your rubber will be happy when you die in battle?

IDK, something like that, or it just foreshadowed the situation

[steady prism]

I disagree for reasons I’ve mentioned here: #manga-serious message

[fathom matrix]

I think he was refering to either Joyboy or the Kozuki's

[steady prism]

The fact that he left that town for the Fire Festival means he found who he was looking for imho.

[pure raven]

He’s probably talking about the scabbards, believing in Toki. He’s the one who got Tama believe in her

[sacred hawk]

We already know who he was waiting for. It was Momo and Hiyori

[pure raven]

Spoiler alert from the future, Greenbull Admiral gonna die by the hands on Blackbead since Greenbull is most likely to be plant logia user and darkness is super effective against it since plant relays on lights and darkness consume it

[bitter prism]

I don’t think Plant Logia, I believe the new Admirals all are one of each fruit type. Kizaru being Logia, Fujitora being Paremecia, and Ryokugyu being Zoan. The Mythical Zoan of a plant creature, or even one of the gods similar to Nika from Skypeia.

The admirals would basically be foreshadowing for Blackbeard having 3 fruits of each type as well.

[tropic surge]

For some reason I've also imagined a Venosaur type of zoan

But I'm wondering if after finishing Wano, Oda would wanna be done with dinosaurs

[bitter prism]

If not an Animal Zoan maybe a Mythical Zoan model similar to Nika? Obviously with different powers tho (God of The Forest from Skypeia, maybe?)

[safe snow]

There are alot of mythical creatures/entities oda could bring in

[bitter prism]

True, but I’m all but convinced Ryokugyu will be the next God Fruit user we see (that is, unless Dragon is one like other fans think)

[tropic surge]

I wouldn't be surprised either if Oda went the fully ridiculous route of an actual zoan plant.

And for it to be a dumb ability like becoming a very strong resilient static tree.

Admiral just so happens to be experienced enough to use every plantlike abilities you could think of like feeding of solar energy, spawning plants etc

[pastel thistle]

Buggy and Luffy will become the new Yonkos.
Idk it feels like a very Oda thing to do.

[bitter prism]

I think Usopp could be getting Kanjuro’s fruit sometime

[pastel thistle]

Usopp with Kanjuro's fruit would be perfect just like how Nami with Bm's

[ashen surge]

Yeah I think 5,6 is proper final bounty since after finding One Piece, the bounty is trivial

[grizzled estuary]

next chapter might be straw hats new bounty reveal any thoughts on how much they will have

nah they need to give chopper some credit

[pure raven]

maybe monster chopper would get a bounty of his own

[grizzled estuary]

but wont the government know that they the same person

[bitter prism]

Since Kanjuro died, the fruit is back in the reincarnation cycle. Usopp would be the perfect fit for it and it just makes sense for the story.

[pure raven]

I mean they think chopper is this useless pet so they're not very informed

[grizzled estuary]

huh why usopp and kanjuros fruit

[bitter prism]

Usopp is the best artist on the crew and could make perfect use of it with his skills, being able to literally bring his imagination to life

[pure raven]

Robin should be in the billions tbh

[grizzled estuary]

fr shes the only one who can genuinely find the one piece

[pure raven]

And Yamato is way stronger than sanji so she should have a higher bounty if she would get one

Well the government is targeting her again and they probably know the straw hats now have access to the road poneglyphs so Robin is gonna be more of a threat than ever

[grizzled estuary]

yeah thats why shes atleast gonna get 900 million

[pure raven]

Also we shouldn't assume sanji and zoro are always gonna be #2 and #3 since Jinbei has a higher bounty than them rn

[grizzled estuary]

but they did beat king and queen, not to mention that zoro could hurt kaido

[pure raven]

Good point tho Yamato was able to straight up 1v1 Kaido for a while unlike zoro or sanji so she might get a higher bounty than them if the government is aware of that

[grizzled estuary]

hmm cant argue with that

[void path]

yeah

[fresh kite]

franky will have a high bounty imo because cant he add the queen cyborg stuff to him ??

[pure raven]

They're all should be getting powerups i think. Zoro might give one of his swords kaidos devil fruit power considering oda said something about that in an sbs and the fact that there's that tanuki tea pot in the tengus house so they do know how to give objects devil fruit powers also Nami should be getting the soul soul fruit

[bitter prism]

He can, but imagine if he turns himself or the Going Merry into Pluton. That would be fucking scary

[fresh kite]

idk bc im not fully caught up yet, thanks

[bitter prism]

I see Usopp getting Kanjuro’s fruit, Zoro may already have a fruit in Enma, and Nami could be getting the Soul-Soul fruit later on down the road, just not right after Wano.

[pure raven]

Maybe both kaidos and big moms devil fruits reincarnated in the trees on the sunny, that would be funny I think

Zou's legs but with red eyes idk

[gusty shadow]

Might be mountain creatures that Pluton will control

[pure raven]

D: If Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, and Franky were to become ability users, then what kind of fruit do you think they would have eaten? -P.N. 420-land
O: I see, that's quite a fun question~. Hmmm… what I would like to see is… Zoro: Uo Uo no Mi, Model: Seiryu (Fish Fish Fruit, Mythical Type Model: Seiryuu)....
Zoro: I'd want the sword to turn into a dragon rather than Zoro. I think that would be insanely cool.

This is from sbs 98

only zoan fruits can be put into objects too since they have a will of their own or something and i think we should see something interesting happen with that concept it doesn't really make sense for it to exist just for useless characters like funkfreed or a teapot

[fresh kite]

nooooooooooooooooooooo dont give nami a df we need bathing scen fan service - TOEI

[viral ferry]

why you doing chopper like that

[bitter prism]

I think Chopper should be at least 500

[eager frost]

why do u want to put chopper in great danger by giving him a huge bounty?

[viral ferry]

1.000.000 atleast

[bitter prism]

1 million is too much. 500 is perfect for him

[modest skiff]

Please move this bounty discussion to #manga . We don’t consider bounty predictions theories

[wind marten]

There’s something about godvalley that I’ve been thinking about

[pure raven]

just no

[modest skiff]

@pure raven bounty discussion goes in #manga please

[rich warren]

usopp*

[pure raven]

could've told me before you delete it all :(

[wind marten]

Sengoku mentioned the rocks going to god valley to be king of the world

What if god valley has something to do with the final journey of the straw hats

[pure raven]

Who cares about what they are. It’s never gonna be known. It’s only there to show that the world is vast, and that there is more to explore.

[candid goblet]

greenbull has fly fly fruit ?

[harsh herald]

Has anything yet occurred to imply the gender of Im sama?

Generally I see them reffered to as a He/Him but do we know that for sure?

[sand sail]

We don't, but that's more of a #manga question

[dire vector]

what are the odds greenbull is coming to request a trade. Robin for Sabo

[sand sail]

#manga guys

please read the channel description before you post

This isn't the place for smaller conversation

PLEASE READ THE CHANNEL DESCRIPTION BEFORE YOU POST.

[shy orbit]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11MgE6t-7yjHT3Oyi3WH81kDqqUbS409Hk0LOhVLDUBA/edit

A theory about Rocks and Kaido I made before the events of Chapter 1049. Most of it is just stuff I have absorbed from different Youtube Theories and discussion so I cannot say these ideas are originally mine, but these are just my concocted thoughts on the character.

[soft urchin]

Admiral Green Bull has a flower on his back. There is a flower called a bull thistle. dude has plant powers

[main copper]

Theory: A reason that Oda doesn't like to kill off characters is that he grows attached to characters he writes and wants to give them happy endings.

Why even minor antagonists will be the focal point in cover stories and be happy in them, even if the cover story hasn't done anything with the main one (Like Gedatsu).

Then of course there's the reason that he can use them later.

[tawny belfry]

Wanted! Theory Chapter 1053

Luffy will be labelled as a new Yonko

Law and Kidd wont be labelled as Yonko, but as 1st and 2nd Commander and Luffy's subordinates

Zoro will be labelled as 3rd commander

This will lead to a fight between Law and Kidd who doesn't want to be regarded as his subordinates in the first place, Zoro that does not want to be below them and Sanji that doesnt want to be left out of the consideration for a commander title in the first place

||4th Yonko will be someone outside Wano (I don't know whom, could be Buggy, Boa, Katakuri, Yamato, Weevile, Vinsmokes or someone I didn't even mention)||

[visual merlin]

?

Why not just like

say "we're not part of the crew idiots" and then move on, if for some several weird reasons the WG assumes they are commanders, they don't actually get shoved into the crew by that assumption

[loud solstice]

the problem with this is Morgan’s already knows the truth .. he’s been talking about Luffy & Law alliance since it first happened and been giving them both credit as Captains for things like Punk Hazard & Dressrosa, he wouldn’t just out of the blue switch up and start calling him his commander/subordinate

[silent oar]

yamato gon fight greenbull for her bounty

[stoic hound]

Hey, is there any theory out there about pluton being some sort of plane?

[craggy schooner]

In chapter 1052 robin is missing, i think green bull is here to capture robin back

[bitter prism]

Pluton is stated to be a ship, so no.

[stoic hound]

That's a bummer, I wanted a plane

[bitter prism]

Hey, we still have the possibility of Franky becoming Pluton instead!

[vernal ice]

Or yea sunny

[cobalt kayak]

Robin getting caught and sent back to Enies lobby is how we get our characters closer to marejois and marine HQ

Isn’t there some theory about beneath enies lobby too? I forget already

[cobalt kayak]

also, whats the best source of vitamin D? THE SUN

[supple coyote]

We focusing so much on bounty that we forget that the newspaper might contain bigger info related to sabo etc

Oda might give us a heading and baam wait for a whole month to find out

[pure raven]

no he's an admiral why would he have something so ridiculous

he has some kind of plant based ability because of his color theme and the fact that he can fast for so long without dying means he might be getting sustenance from photosynthesis

also using a plant to fly kinda proved that theory

[candid goblet]

Makes sense 👀😳

[supple coyote]

Greenbull might make an offer with momonusuke to fertilize the land of wano in return he has to declare the pirates as criminals and SH will have to leave wano for the next destination

[craggy schooner]

Hm interesting

[tough flare]

The 2 yonkos replacing big mom and kaido would be luffy and BUGGY D CLOWN I actually wont be surprised if he became one, also law and kidd would have been considered as part of luffys pirate alliance or ‘grand fleet’

[pure raven]

I imagine anyone who was on Roger's crew would have a bounty in the billions so that kinda makes sense

[opaque pivot]

Exactly

[loud solstice]

I think they’re sticking with 5 emperors , Morgan’s already dubbed Luffy a emperor back in Whole Cake so we know the papers ain’t calling him a “newly dubbed emperor “

[tough flare]

And that would be the cliffhanger or the leading point to the next saga, makes alotta sense tbh, like luffy seeing sabos execution on the paper or whatever happened to him

[grizzled estuary]

theres a theory that said joyboy and imu sama were friends in the void century, so when joyboy died imu sama took care of his hat or something thats why she has it, so maybe the straw hats can learn about joyboy and the void century when they meet imu sama,

[loud solstice]

yeah I def think Joy Boy & Imu have some type of connection but I think they were always enemies/ rivals since the void century but Imu won in the end

[lunar shell]

Ya guys need to understand the brightest light of the higher tower will never fade. It will be carried over by the people touched by it. The D. The light of the new dawn will one day reach the top, and one that day comes, all the world will be reunited under it. Under the one piece.

You can’t extinguish the will of freedom, you can’t kill a dream.

If ya guys are touched by a light that never fade, you will be inspired to be the same. That’s what Luffy is doing over his journey. His set alight the world.

[upbeat coral]

Hey guys am i good to ask a question in here?

I've been having the thought that Buggy may join up with Shanks now the seven warlords have been dissolved but i don't really have time to make into a theory so i was wondering i could get thoughts on it

[lunar shell]

Nope. Shanks cares about his freedom he won’t have a fleet.

[naive ravine]

Ive been wondering, i saw somewhere that the yami-yami no mi might also be a mytical zoan fruit like luffy’s. And since gura-gura no mi is a paramecia. What if, Sabo might die and have the mera mera no mi stolen by blackbeard because its a logia. Because his jolly roger has 3 heads and using the theory blackbeard has 3 different people or souls inside him, he can have a zoan paramecia and logia fruit

[loud solstice]

if the yami yami turns out to be an actual mythical zoan then i see him getting a logia that hasn’t been revealed in the series yet .. I don’t see Oda giving the final pirate villain a power that we’ve been seeing repetitively since pre timeskip with two different characters

it’s the same reason why i never thought he was taking Kaido fruit cause we just had the longest one piece arc ever that dealt with Kaido fruit & Oda likes for his villains to be unique from one another

[naive ravine]

Ah i see sounds reasonable

[plush quest]

Buggy is going to be a Yonko alongside Luffy

[noble sluice]

Robin was not shown in 1052 because she is reading/writing down the red ponyglph

[magic igloo]

what if there's also a heading of PLUTON got reserructed and now's in hand of bb and kizaru died in whole scenario

[supple coyote]

Ain't happening!! If he got pluton then SH journey would be in danger

[pure raven]

she must be by herself then idk if she can handle a masked cp0 agent or green bull

[noble sluice]

I think she is with Law, we haven’t seen law since the fight and he has always shown interest in both ponyglphs and robin haha

[slate mirage]

Law was in 1052

[pure raven]

law was with kid and the others

[lethal heath]

so with gear 5
has it been confirmed to be toon force? or is it still him turning his surrounding into rubber too?

[visual merlin]

its rubber

[lethal heath]

sweet

[tropic wharf]

Blackbeard's fruit is going to be something super special and is going to rival Luffy's mythical zoan. Whether it's his Yami Yami no Mi or his 3rd fruit (if he has it) , it remains to be seen.

[pure raven]

Maybe black beard already awoke his fruit against Ace when he swallowed all the village

[naive ravine]

Anybody knows when chopper will get a higher bounty? Im being serious btw lmao

[slate mirage]

Only Oda knows

[fathom matrix]

Maybe BB doesn't have CoC because he's kind of a coward?

Maybe a factor of being a CoC is showing strength and bravery amongst others, even those more powerful than you?

So a CoC needs to show strength in the midts of danger or show they're not afraid of death

Boa has PTSD from being a Celestial Dragon Slave, but she still manages to try and put on a brave face, face through it, and stand tall even against any strong opponent

so having a high goal, upper status mindset and bravery could all be factors?

[loud solstice]

I wouldn’t call him a coward , Shanks wouldn’t be worried about him if he was a coward lol he could’ve been a yonko commander without a devil fruit while holding back his true strength lol .. I also don’t think Yonko Shanks is gonna be worried about another pirate who doesn’t have CoC

[fathom matrix]

well, yes and no. The reason why he became a yonko, was he killed WB at the last minute and even a half dead whitebeard was gonna kill him, but he and his crew who were fresh for battle took him out.

Plus, he unveiled the power of 2 fruits which scared everyone and made an impact, and there was an emporer slot open.

While he is strong, it was those factors that lead him to the Yonko status. Hell, I still believe he's kinda the weakest yonko but the most dangerous

[merry sleet]

He didn’t become a yonko just because he killed wb tho? He became a yonko because of his crew,the fact he has 2 df’s and one of them is the gura gura, and he became a yonko after defeating marco and the wb pirates.

[fathom matrix]

I did say having 2 DFs were a factor

Yeah there were a lot of factors that made him a yonko

[pure raven]

Idk if he’s a coward tho he has been stated to fight shanks before and it’s to a point where shanks worry’s bc of him. He fights ace and wb. And then he challenges all of mf to a battle

[fathom matrix]

No no that's fair. I guess it's more so he's slimey and traitorous.

[pure raven]

So is Doffy and like hella other users

[trail vapor]

so it’s confirmed that Ushimaru is NOT Zoro’s dad from sbs, right?

So what if Ushimaru had siblings?

[cerulean thistle]

btw, almost all shp members have their own roles, sincr Jinbe joining as their Helmsman, which position is still vacant in SHP??

[noble sluice]

grandad

it actually makes sense for ushimaru to be zoros grandad and greenbull to be his father. Zoro is said to be very like ushimaru, which would need zoro to be a direct descendant of him (not his siblings son etc). Also, in irl, people generally show more characteristics of their grandparents than they do their actual parents.

only problem with that theory is the ages

[hasty elk]

What if luffy gets announced as pirate king next chapter signaling the start of the final arc?

[honest marten]

Ushimaru looked pretty old 20 years ago so I doubt its a huge problem

[odd chasm]

we have 3 people (luffy, kid and Law) for the new yonkos. But there are only 2 vacant spots as far as we know. But what if another yonko fell offscreen? What if Shanks fell after fighting BB during this wano arc? Oda will show us a flashback of that later when we get out of wano.
BB needs an equal feat of defeating a yonko before he faces Luffy. WB doesn't count because WB was already half dead before BB got the final shot. After that his biggest feat is defeating marco and other wb pirates. So, BB needs to defeat shanks sooner or later and it might have already happened.
This will allow all 3 (luffy, law and kid) to be the new emperors

[sand sail]

4 isn't a set number, the Emperors are just the strongest, most influential pirates on the sea.

[honest marten]

Luffys already been called the 5th emperor so it becoming the Goko or whatever wouldnt be too out of whack

[odd chasm]

Ik that this theory isn't going to be a popular one because people don't like the idea of shanks dying.
Anyway, while 4 isn't a set number, as long as Oda wants to maintain the original japanese word, "yonko", 4 is a set number unless he uses unofficial numbers like 5th emperor or something

[sand sail]

They're not unofficial though, and "Yonko" isn't an official title

"Emperor of the Sea" is the title

[odd chasm]

there is no ranking between the yonkos. Anyone can be number 1, 2 or 3,4. But when someone is called 5th emperor, he is in 5th position, inferior to the 4 emperors

Would any of you like that if Luffy is still called 5th emperor when Kid and Law become official emperors? Most probably not

[honest marten]

5th emperor would just mean there are 5 emperors

[odd chasm]

there is no 1st or 2nd emperor. 5th emperor is ranking. That's what 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th means lol

[honest marten]

It's not like Kid/Law are directly taking Kaido and Big Mom's 'slot'

5th can also mean, y'know, the 5th one since there were previously four. Like saying the second installment (or Gear 5th)

[odd chasm]

anyway, the topic moved to a different direction. I suddenly got this idea. We will see in 2-3 days (if the spoilers are early)

[honest marten]

I usually read spoilers but I wanna see the bounties for myself this week

[odd chasm]

I read spoilers not because I am impatient but because I can slowly enjoy the new chapters. At 1st there is only the title. Then 2-3 sentences spoilers. Then 6-7 sentences. Then the full spoilers. Then the brief spoilers. I don't read the raws tho because I still want to experience the chapter as fresh as possible even if it's a little bit. Also, the raws usually have potato qualities

[sand sail]

That's not what this means. "5th Emperor" just means 5th in the sequence, there's no inferiority implied there at all

"5th" is sequential, not a ranking.

[fathom matrix]

he's called the 5th cause he's new, it like how Sanji is the 5th straw hat but is ranked No. 3 in terms of power on the crew

Of course, RN, Luffy is probably the 3rd or 4th strongest emporer

[odd chasm]

sure. Everyone considered Luffy equal to the other 4 emperors just like they considered BB equal to the 3 others. I agree with you

[sand sail]

Well no, no one's ever considered him equal to the Emperors until arguably now. No one supported him being the 5th Emperor except Morgans, either. So it seems like the premise of what you're saying here is coming from a flawed basis

But yes, if and when he is officially dubbed an Emperor of the Sea, that is exactly what that title means.

[earnest wind]

yeah i can see that the second whitebeard did stm to him at marineford mans was pleading for his life

[odd chasm]

in other words, 5th emperor thing shouldn't even be mentioned in my debate because that's clearly what I didn't mean in my original theory

[sand sail]

And yet it's something you brought up, so why mention the rankings that don't exist?

[odd chasm]

someone else brought this up and I was trying to prove that it doesn't matter. Even you were arguing that 5th is no different than the original 4

[pure raven]

are there any theories on this?

[sand sail]

No, you were the one who brought this up. Did you misread the person you were replying to?

[sand sail]

Lots, but that's probably not a good one for the channel honestly. Better to address it in #manga

[odd chasm]

yeah. A cover page

[pure raven]

but manga says i need to go to theories for theories

[sand sail]

This channel is for substantial theories, not one line musings

[odd chasm]

probably because they are busy with other topics. but I have seen them talking about this in #also-manga . You can check the reddit too

[grizzled estuary]

theory: oda is a goat

[pure raven]

I like this theory. I think there should be 4 emperors. And I cant see Law becoming an emperor with a fodder crew. Kid could be an emperor as his crew is stronger. but as kid and law performances were equal. It would be weird to put kid higher than law. Maybe they put kid as an emperor with law as his subordinate or luffies. Outside of Wano, maybe weevil, but like law, he has no crew. or buggy as it would be the final piece for his character.

[odd chasm]

I say he is a cow/ox. Bigger than goat lol

[loud solstice]

Kid couldn’t be one either with just one strong member , you need more than just that to have a “ yonko level” crew … neither him nor Law have the qualified crews but who knows maybe Morgan’s says they are anyway lol

[sand sail]

This is probably a better conversation for #manga now guys

[median hemlock]

no evidence that kid's crew are stronger and law have more achievement than kid

[pure raven]

is kaido gonna live and ally with luffy since he realized hes joyboy? i think that'd be good character development. also big mom might die and the big mom pirates will be led by katakuri and also ally with the strawhats at some point?

[tiny ocean]

I think we shouldn't make hitler tier characters friendly. He made people in wano suffer for 20 years. I mean from writing point of view it would be awful

[formal marsh]

Yeah, we all like redemption arcs but we have limits

[pure raven]

not necessarily friendly but at least helpful to luffy like crocodile was in marineford for example

he might be the crocodile of the throne war or some shit?

[tawny belfry]

Making them friendly should be fine, it shows humanity and that people can change.

But letting them join the crew, I completely agree, they should not. Not even the alliance.

Crocodile coming to support Luffy at Marineford and saving his life after assisting with the breakout from impel Down pretty much is what we could accept from someone in this position.

But even better example, we had a character arguably as bad as Kaido ideal wise, travelling with Strawhats, for roughly 3-4 arcs depending how you count them, from the end of Punk Hazard, to the retreat from WCI, in "Gastino" or as we know him when first introduced to us, this crazy scientist, who thought it was morally fine to experiement with undeveloped medications on innocent childs for the purpose of giving the display of attempting in finding an drug that could create giants despite not belieiving in this drug working himself.

When someone like that can end up on friendly terms with the crew for the most part, it is hope for anyone

[safe snow]

This might be an unpopular opinion (or popular)

I don't want SHs (or other major characters) to get any more power ups in the series. They should just build on the power ups they got in wano (or before). Mastering the already learned techniques/powers should be enough going forward.

They have taken down 2 yonkos (of course with substantial help) and that's enough of a upper power ceiling in my opinion.
Kaido is said to be the strongest creature and that should remain true at the end of the series.

[pure raven]

Shanks gonna get killed by blackbeard imo

[sturdy rampart]

The cover of one piece 25 foreshadows the next generation emperors of the sea.

https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/volume_25?file=volume_25.png :ShanksHmmm:

[pure raven]

nah he literally warned whitebeard about blackbeard before anything happened to ace why would he be so careless to get killed by him

[pure raven]

He got careless enough to be perma scarred by him, and thats before he had devil fruits!

which is why he's gonna take him more seriously than ever

The darkness swallows all

[safe snow]

And still could die by this hand

[pure raven]

why would he fight him again tho

[safe snow]

I mean if BB shows up

What can you do??

[pure raven]

I want to see Garp in a fight, where he isnt weighed down by age

[safe snow]

We'll get god valley flashback at some point

[ruby skiff]

do you guys think it would make the story better or worse if shanks was a villain

[safe snow]

Depends on how it is handled but I personally would not want that

[pure raven]

i don't think that could make sense at all

[upbeat vector]

Yeah those are one of those plot twists thst would be kinda to cliche and generic tbh unless its done literally perfectly

[pure raven]

I hope not that kinda ruins his char imo. Kaido is still a horrible guy ik Robin has killed but like kaido enslaved an entire country and like wanted to kill every human. Also he still hates humans and want to kill them all. Like his goal isn’t only joyboy.

And also that Yamato kaido dynamic sounds horrible

[pure raven]

i mean he can help the straw hats at some point vs the world government or blackbeard and that's not gonna take away from the fact that he did all of this horrible siht

Maybe i think its better for kaido story to end with his death to the lava there’s a lot of reason why he should die like that imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kepVW02b9BM&t=2s

[warm edge]

Anyone who have watched the Marshall D Preach theory? is it worth watching or just enjoy one piece itself without the theory?
also that 4 weeks of no one piece incoming is just ;_;

[upbeat vector]

Tbh i dont think thst would hapoen since oda doesnt wanna follow the everyone i beat is now my friend cliche would tbh take away all credibility of this entire arc imo

[tawny belfry]

I watched it yes. I have seen other theory videos I think is better at connecting dots.

Feel free to watch it

[steady prism]

No, the mods have a spoilers channel for that @sturdy rampart

[bitter prism]

Repost since I may be correct

[fallow fractal]

It's not my video but please check this guy theory about SH crew members it is really good.
https://youtu.be/J9IaKfAtsS0

[bitter prism]

Here’s my head canon to make this fit into the story: Admiral Ryokugyu is the son of Ushimaru and escaped from Wano when he was young. (At oldest probably 14-16 years old.) and went on to join the Marines. On a mission to the East Blue, he meets a woman and falls in love, and when he leaves that Island after completing his mission, he also leaves her and their unborn child. That Child would have been Zoro, and the rest is History.

@plain shell

[plain shell]

W theory

probably true

[bitter prism]

I mean it would still make Zoro connected to the Shimotsuki clan but is still plausible because he was born in the East Blue.

[coarse pawn]

Ryokugyu is a Godzilla zoan.
And his real name is Razohuman.

[bitter prism]

Do you have absolutely any evidence

[pure raven]

who cares about evidence.. i mean you cant argue with that

[bitter prism]

Except I can.

[pure raven]

looks like a godzilla to me

[bitter prism]

Godzilla (Gojira) can’t use a flower to fly. Never has.

[pure raven]

thats his plant-godzilla hybrid form ok

[steady prism]

Two issues:

1. Zoro knowing the phrase “sunacchi” confirms that Zoro’s home town is a “Wano settlement” made (in part) by the Shimotsuki clan. Nothing to do with Greenbull.

2. The color page of Ryoukugyu is fan-colored; we don’t know for sure if his hair is green. In the black and white official panels, his “hair shade” is much darker than Zoro’s hair shade. Tbf, that doesn’t mean it can’t be green but it doesn’t help connect any dots as of now.

Greenbull being Zoro’s dad is an interesting theory and is something I’d like to see come true. However, there is very little foreshadowing of this character, with the exception of Ushimaru’s clothing having green bulls. Oda deliberately hid this character since the beginning for a reason. For that reason, it takes a lot of headcannon to explain his origin and purpose.

In this arc, it’s been all but confirmed that Zoro’s lineage is from the Shimotsuki clan. Hopefully we’ll see how Greenbull fits into this equation next chapter. If it really is his dad, there had better be a good reason why it’s being revealed so soon and why he’s at the caliber where he can silence the Gorosei.

[bitter prism]

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see?

[steady prism]

…..? Yep

[steady prism]

It’s not confirmed. He could be from a “Wano settlement” as well. That would explain why Sakazuki doesn’t view him as a “citizen of Wano” based on his communication at the end of the last chapter

[stoic hound]

That theory about the niku niku no mi going to vivi was debunked after the nika reveal, right?

[steady prism]

No idea what that’s about so I’m guessing it’s been debunked

[hoary bobcat]

i saw a theory about how he hasnt eaten for so long because he is planning to have a feast at wano, also, if he is ushimarus son then the whole thing ushimaru was saying about how samurai dont need to eat supports this theory. yamato not eating in the latest chapter also supports with this. it also feels like a giveaway when he heads straight to wano once kaido has been defeated

[stoic hound]

Sorry, I meant Nikyu Nikyu no mi (kuma's fruit). If I remember correctly it was about how the df names of the crew members were a pun with numbers like gomu gomu no mi being 5-6. And there was one set of numbers left which matched with the nikyu nikyu no mi. I think the theory said Vivi would escape the reverie using kuma's fruit

[steady prism]

It’s possible, but it makes his overall purpose in the story that much convoluted. Why did he join the Marines, knowing they’ll never really help fulfill his vow? Why is he at the level of the Gorosei? I agree that his “vow” has something to do with Wano, but I can’t fathom him to be a “good guy”

[hoary bobcat]

im not sure how he joined the marines, but if he is zoro's dad it could be a reason zoro became a pirate hunter, because we still dont know what drove him to do this when he wanted to become the greatest swordsman, thats all i can think of really. also what puts greenbull on the same level as gorosei? i havent heard of this

[steady prism]

Ahhhhh I understand what you mean. I think the two were 5-6 or 2-9 or something. My belief is that there’s a Greek mythos that explains a lot of the major plot lines in OP since the Reverie. Following that train of thought, it forecasts that Vivi will reunite with the SHs: #manga-theories message

[steady prism]

I guess I’ll answer you with some questions: Why was Greenbull “hacking” (speculation) the den den mushi of the Gorosei in the beginning of 1052? How could he ‘order’ the Gorosei to stand back, an entity that not even Sakazuki could argue with? Looking at the exchange Greenbull has with the Gorosei in the beginning and Sakazuki in the end, his status/rank in the Marines is abnormal

[hoary bobcat]

perhaps he is related to im in some way, or he has some leverage over the gorosei due to some event in the past. in this situation both the gorosei and im are very mysterious and we dont know much about them, hopefully greenbulls reveal will shed some light - that or we will have to wait until we know about the void century

[stoic hound]

Inb4 the den den mushi of GB eyes look very similar to those of Im

[modest skiff]

@coarse pawn only serious posts in this channel please

7 = gojira is not in line with what this channel is meant for. please read the channel description

[bitter prism]

My personal theory is that it’s Vegapunk who hacked the Den Den Mushi

[dapper rain]

It's an extension of already existing theories with some new details added relevant to recent chapters. It's interesting but nothing you can't miss

[drifting cargo]

Just calling it rn
We are getting Gokou
Luffy and 2 others.

Possibilities for the other two include Kid, Law, Buggy. I just don't see the former two getting the title though, even with their massive accomplishment in taking down Big Mom. They have such weak crews (except for Killer), and their achievements are just dwarfed by Luffy. At least Law has been a warlord before and poses a major threat with his OP fruit, but aside from that, they don't really deserve the title like Luffy does. Buggy is possible given his influence and perceived power, but I dunno if I'm fully aboard the Buggy train just yet. It does make sense that another Emperor slot would be filled by a warlord, and either Law or Buggy could fill that role, but I'd be more interested in seeing Edward Weevil be one of them. Dude's been wreaking havoc bts for a long time now, he may still legit be the son of whitebeard, and miss Bakkin is likely a former Rocks member. That said, Weevil suffers the same issue as Law and Kid, and that is he has a weak crew. In Weevil's instance his crew is just himself and Bakkin that we know of.

[mild oak]

Also about Greenbull being from wano, what if he has also.vowed something like yamato did that he will not eat untill they win

[pure raven]

Why chapter 1053 is getting delay?

[merry elm]

I think your in the wrong chat fam, don’t be like me 😢

[pure raven]

Good to see everyone talking about me

[dusky notch]

you mean the theory about what onepiece is ? ..that's one of the worst theories ever.

[opal moth]

just a theory

[earnest atlas]

either that or aokiji works with S.W.O.R.D

[pure raven]

Ngl I doubt kid or law. I get they beat bm but using bb as an example he beats a higher target and does so 1v1 while kid and law are 2v1. And while yes wb is dying he’s still a high target and bb made the mf possible which led to wb death and the help bb has vs wb is diff as law and kidd are equals vs bm while bb is gonna get the most credit vs wb. 2nd bb didn’t become yonko after killing wb he also had to beat the wb pirates and also he has two fruits

[obsidian ridge]

On target 🎯

[obsidian ridge]

💯 another good guess.

[cosmic raptor]

True x drake secretly being a marine i think it was foreshadowed when kizaru said "rear admiral" to x drake but corrects his mistake and says "former rear admiral"

[soft urchin]

I think Green Bull feeds through photosynthesis

[lilac spade]

I think greenbull will make wano shine again with besutiful plants

[formal marsh]

he didn't interfere with the gorosei ddm, he interfered with the CP0's one. His 'orders' also weren't for the Gorosei, but to the CP0 agents that we outside of wano.

[steady prism]

But he did interfere with the Gorosei. He literally told “them” to wait and don’t do anything (ie don’t try to abduct Nico Robin yet). That is clearly going against the Gorosei’s wishes at that time. Who is he to order CP0, an entity that only answers to the Gorosei, what not to do?

[sand sail]

Please read the channel description before you post.

[odd musk]

since luffys fruit is the sun god, then maybe blackbeards fruit might be the antithesis to that, or the hito hito no mi: model moon god

[split dagger]

Blackbeard fruit is logia and the hito hito is Zoan

[odd musk]

yes, but luffys was also believed to be a paramecia

[sand sail]

They lied about Luffy's fruit in particular, but only his fruit. The Yami Yami is a logia fruit, the antithesis wouldn't be a moon god

It's the Sun God vs pure darkness, that's already a perfect opposition

[odd musk]

i guess that could be a case

[split dagger]

But the could lie about black beard,

[sand sail]

Blackbeard learned about his fruit from the devil fruit encyclopedia, if it were one lied about it probably would've been referenced recently along with the Nika fruit

Since he's an Emperor and one step from Laugh Tale

[odd musk]

why would it have to be referenced recently? oda could still do another plot twist

[sand sail]

Because these fruits so dangerous to the World Government coming up would be a worry, if they've confirmed their worst fears with Nika then there should be some reference to how they renamed some other fruit for a similar reason

But likewise, there's so far no reason for them to do that with the Yami Yami. It's not a fruit that leads someone to grant freedom everywhere it goes, it's basically the exact opposite

[split dagger]

I have a question about devil fruits, was said that if a person try to eat 2 devil fruits he dies, but we never actually saw that, we saw Blackbeard with 2 devil fruits, what if the world government, just decide to tell a lie, for no one to be powerful enough, and try to defeat them?

[sand sail]

It's not a lie, it was verified through research. Blackbeard was the first person in all of history to ever do it

[long lava]

Eh, you have made scientist like Queen and Ceaser Clown who would have totally tried and seen a person explode before giving up on that route

[odd musk]

how about if blackbeard had three fruits with one of them being the aforementioned moon god (or something else). we've seen so many things related to 3 on blackbeard: his jolly roger, pistols, and the ponytails on his beard

[sand sail]

Maybe, but it seemed that it was his body that was responsible for allowing him to have multiple fruits, according to Marco. Could be that he'd had some fruit since before even going to the Whitebeard pirates and just hid it, so his body seemed strange, but I'm not sure if that's a strong enough theory

[split dagger]

But if u can eat different types of devil fruits, and need to be genuine fruits,not artificial, no one would risk that if they though has a consequence

[dusk geyser]

Could greenbull have eaten the earth god fruit

[old needle]

could bello bettys devil fruit be one of the strongest bc cant she change how poeple think like motivate them and could she change how to navy and admirals think

[lapis kestrel]

the new yonkou will be Blackbeard, luffy, law and kid. While the raid was happening blackbeard was raiding shanks and defeated him

[quaint frost]

but in the thought of appo was the snitch appo hates kid so we don’t know who could bet the yonko

[lapis kestrel]

im sure drake also made a report

[honest marten]

Plus CP0