manga-theories

[royal spruce]

oh god XD now i got a weird feeling that usopp and buggy are gonna clash at some point

[vernal pier]

Hear me out on that - Kaidou won't die fighting, he's already defeated and will be executed by wano's shogun, in front of its people

[magic linden]

More cuz of being part of the gol d roger crew

[royal spruce]

their presence does raise questons...

[latent thistle]

they were

[fathom matrix]

fuck, that 3 years ago

[lapis prairie]

Or it takes dying (like what happened to luffy on the rooftop) for mythical zoans to awaken

[heady tendon]

I think you might have have to rewrite that

[barren fog]

Haha

[tranquil sleet]

i had stroke reading that

[boreal gate]

Well, I wasn't that off.

[steel wolf]

I wanna hear some theories about this:

Is there any plot thread, item, or character introduced during or before wano that could save zoro from death? oda has clearly put extra effort into showing that zoro is in the process of dying. You don't just have the literal grim reaper show up next to a main character like that for nothing. I feel like it would be extremely anticlimatic for him to just be saved by chopper's medicine. If they wanted to do that, they could've just shown him extremely beat up as usual and left it at that. A theory I heard, which I don't really believe in, is that onigashima could turn to "hell" and zoro's soul wouldn't be able to leave the world since onigashima would literally be "hell." Another one is that zoro actually dies, and visits the underworld, and the straw hats have to retrieve him. I don't really think this will happen, as it would be kind of irrelevant to the rest of the world, but its interesting to think that zoro could die and then have his soul come back to the real world. But of all these ideas, I would really like to know if there's any evidence in wano or related to zoro in general that could be related to him conquering death that have already been foreshadowed in the story

[crimson plank]

i was rereading a lot of the wano chapters and i cant help but feel like zoro is a relative of ryuma, im sure this has been theorized many times before but god damn they made it seem like its so obvious in some of these chapters.

[mortal spire]

Little gift 🎁

[versed hamlet]

Bruh staff please delete that @dusk sand

[lunar shell]

How

[pure raven]

https://youtu.be/sumwIY8X3co
A theory worth watching

[keen vault]

is the shogun gonna be momo??

[pure raven]

during his introduction they said he couldn't be executed

[pure raven]

Interresting

[ashen surge]

Please provide a summary and some personal thoughts

[pure raven]

Zoro isnt a roronoa, but he is a shimotsuki. And shitmotsuki ushimaru is zoro’s grandfather and greenbull being zoro’s dad.

My personal thoughts: sounds convincing

[ashen surge]

Unlikely because Zoro’s personal character arc is about mastering a trade and it’s tools from sheer hard work and discipline. Being a descendant of an important figure doesn’t add anything to Zoro’s character. And to add to that, Sanji is the character in Straw Hats who has had the character arc of coming in with terms with your lineage and growing forward from that.

[pure raven]

What i wrote was a summary, theres way more in the video hinting that theory could be true.

1. the whole thing about false indenties Sanji, Denjiro
2. why zoro became a pirate hunter

[ashen surge]

Yeah I don’t need to watch a 12 minute crackhead theory video because I know it doesn’t work in the story

[pure raven]

Lol, time will tell if its true or not

Zoro is definitly related ( indirectly or directly idk) to Wano because he's the only character out of Wano following the Bushido principles

[keen vault]

what if they use odens sword to cut of his head

[pure raven]

Also the vidro said fujitora and greenbull is from wano

It was backed up with decent ish sense

[ashen surge]

He grew up in a village founded by a Wano refugee, that’s your relation. Also we know that Zoro became a pirate hunter because he was able to get paid from bounties

[pure raven]

Then maybe Sakazuki too ( same tattoo as hyogoro onthe chest)

[keen vault]

i mwan the people he was with when he was a child were people who ran away from wano

[pure raven]

Oda hasnt revealed a lot of stuff till this day, and if he only did it for money why did he hesitate to join luffy’s crew when he was asked?

[ashen surge]

He literally said he doesn’t want to join because he can just endure through the fast helmeppo subjected him into. Read the comic instead of giving youtubers ad money

[keen vault]

does anyone have a good theory on ussop or anything bout ussop?

[pure raven]

Lmao, i already caught up to the manga tho. I just like to watch theories cuz one piece greatest story ever told

[pure raven]

Back in the days people used to say that his lies might become true lol

[ashen surge]

Well re-read it then a few times and you notice that most of the theories out there just ignore story bits. Youtube theorists try to make money, not to undestand the story.

[pure raven]

Theres lot of theories that make sense too, and oda likes to use lot of contrasts from old stories. And the theory showed a contrast from a old story dont remember which story tho

Lmao it's a theory channel let people discuss and debate about it, that's also what's make the story of one piece so unique

[pure raven]

Imo its more fun, debunking theories is also part of the theory Channel.

[naive kiln]

i think jewelry bonney is luffy's mom🤔

[muted violet]

Hed have red hair then

[lofty ether]

devil fruit users get sick when they are a step closer from raftel and that's why buggy and toki got sick instantly as they were setting sail for raftel. In future this may pose a problem for luffy robin and chopper

[muted ember]

Morj made the theory Green Bull is Zoro's dad but he said it was Ushimaru. This was like a year ago before Oda confirmed Ushimaru isn't Zoro's dad. I do think Green Bull is his dad tho

[pure raven]

Yes oda said ushimaru isnt zoro’s dad, but he didnt completely deny it. So ushimaru being the grandpa makes sense

[muted ember]

It would also provide context of why Kozaburo helped him and Koushiro allowed him to take Wado

[ashen surge]

Koushiro gave Wado to Zoro because Zoro was the best friend of her late daughter and was very aware of the shared dream they had. Kuinas dream lives on with Zoro

[runic osprey]

Idk but i hope ussop gets his advanced observation haki going it would make him 100 times better of a sniper than he currently is

[tacit bone]

Will usopp die?

[pure raven]

no

[pure raven]

Fax some content creators theories are ass

[teal knoll]

"kaido's fruit is a perfect math for zoro" what's this mean??

[leaden edge]

Would be really cool if the straw hats took some time in Elbaf to train, luffy teaches the crew haki and zoro turns his blade black and opens his eye (if that’s possible). Seems like we’re running out of time before the final war for them to do all this

[shadow bramble]

i dont think luffy would be a really good teacher for the crew

[leaden edge]

Zoro/Sanji could or a citizen of Elbaf could

[lunar shell]

If you are immortal you can accomplish anything… except yourself.

[pure raven]

There s not tome for that

[digital crest]

What if the One Piece is a New Ocean? And the current world is actually an isolated piece of the world. That would ideally mean freedom is being oppressed and there’s a whole other world waiting for Luffy to adventure. It would make sense to especially since we actually never have gotten a actual full map of the One Piece world. 🗺️

One Piece would essentially mean Luffy’s adventure has only taken place on One Piece of the world.

[royal spruce]

My idea is that this will be a tool to show Zoro's life flash before his eyes and give us another flashback then he will rise again and cripple an awakened Kaido

[high orchid]

That would either make the series way to long or empty. Alternatively that build up for a new series but I doubt Oda wants to write another story

[modest skiff]

Let’s stick to theory discussion rather than points regarding length or new series etc

[pure raven]

speaking of hell didn't zoro say he'll be the king of hell

[royal spruce]

I'm Pretty sure they're just referencing a different series.

[bold glacier]

Oda loves showing Luffy as Roger, so when luffy tells his true dream, we should be also see roger said the same words. Will Oda make yamato a nakama as she is the only one that knows what roger said?

And if its not Yamato, momonosuke should be a nakama, and see what his father did. Also yamato would be the shogun of wano until his return, when momo has become a true man after sailing with luffy

[stray shale]

Yamatos dream is like Odens so prob she will be the newest member of nakama

[bold glacier]

Wano can't be left without protection,the marines could attack them

[modest skiff]

!theories @vestal socket @stray shale @scenic flare

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[stray shale]

ok sorry I didn’t read description

[pure raven]

Not a good way to an ending. It's like saying: "The One Piece is an entire new misterious ocean so expect a new arc or series based on it."

[fathom matrix]

Yamato's cool, but I honestly don't see her as a crew member soon

I kinda think it's gonna be 10 members

[lunar shell]

You're half right

[modest skiff]

No worries, just making sure people understand the rules

[fathom matrix]

as in she's cool and will be a member or she's not cool and won't be one?

[lunar shell]

I'll have the future tell you. 🙃

[pure raven]

I think zoro's enma have eaten a df..

[fathom matrix]

I wanna bet his white sword will be the first one to get the black blade treatment.

It's been his longest owned blace and it was Kuina's, so it'd be hitting he defeats his strongest enemy and makes a black blade with that sword.

[lunar shell]

I think its just a cursed sword dude. I hope Oda wont keep this a mystery until his next fight.

[fathom matrix]

I could see Zoro fighting Shiryu with all three of his sword, but maybe shiryu makes Zoro lose enma, then Kitetsu (he will get them back, but they'll be out of reach or fall down below) and the only one he has left is wado.

Then in that last clash, remembering Kuina, syncing with his blade, pooling al of his armament haki into is, he clashes with Shiryi, his sword breaks, he's defeated, and after Zoro's done coating it, he noticed the Wado doesn't change back, and it's tempered

[pure raven]

I'm more curious about zoro's eyes rather than one piece treasure..

[fathom matrix]

It may end up being a case where Zoro messed up or wasn't careful during training.

Maybe Mihawk was fighting with him, caught his left eye and said "power isn't enough. Swordsmen need to be careful, especially with their sight. Armament haki is very useful, but observation is a much needed colour of haki"

Or hell, what if Zoro snuck a drink during training and Mihawk caught him and said "remember, no drinking until you learn haki" and took his eye during training, and said "That, that's why you need haki"

[lunar shell]

Knowing Zoro it must be something like : Thanks for the training, to make it even -draw sword- I'll take out this eye

[pure raven]

What if opening his second eyes makes his sense of direction good.. Jk

but it been a mystery ever since the timeskip.. And no one in crew is worried about zoro's eyes.. Else chopper would have done something...

[steel wolf]

exactly yeah

[fathom matrix]

Not sure, I think having him lose an eye on purpose AFTER training for 2 years would kinda screw with him, cause that would effect his depth perception. I think he would have had to lose it during his training to get used to a new fighting style

[pastel garnet]

so currently he is fighting the shinigami?/?

[lunar shell]

What's interesting when you have one eye is that you're immune to 3D. Maybe it can help against shilliew somehow ?

[pure raven]

Why? Why will he cut his eye..? And I don't think mihwak is a type of person who will accepte something like this.. He have no profit from it

[lunar shell]

Maybe for himself then : -he trained me, even if I defeat him its not fair. I must set the scale somehow.-

[pastel garnet]

or maybe he was testing how far he has become and while fighting he got his 2nd scar, fighting hawkeye

[lunar shell]

Or maybe he is keeping it close just in order to train.

With some luck this reaper will answer.

[pastel garnet]

idk about the reaper actually some say that enma is one of the tools that ate devil fruits and it was the zoan fruit model reaper. that's why enma is the king of hell
But if such a fruit is real it would be too op

i believe zoro really is dying especially that the damage he took from big mom and kaido got x2 + damage from king though he have to conquer death as he previously said during arlong park
Not even the god of death can take my life until then

[pure raven]

There is buddha fruit.. It's too op on it's own..then there's sun god nika... A God fruit.

[lunar shell]

I feel its Enma indeed but not his fruit, just the psychological representation of his will trough Zoro's mind. Maybe the way to truly master a blade is to surpass her will in an innerworld, like in this other manga you know.

The color of Enma should change when Zoro next open his eye.

[pastel garnet]

enma was hinted to become a black blade and zoro's 1st supreme grade sword for a loooooooooooooooooooooong time

[lunar shell]

And then there is Shanks and Roger and they dont have fruits.

Kaido told you guys fruits are inferior to haki.

Well not Luffy's and Teach's cuz reasons but nvm.

[lunar shell]

Oh really ? Ok then it can't be that. Only a new theory should work. I'll work on it and come back to you 👍

[pastel garnet]

teache's fruit is still a mystery
how is it a logia when he never actually transformed into darkness
but i doubt its like luffy's because when the 5 elders where discussing luffy's fruit they said that only this fruit was renamed

[pure raven]

Either way.. Zoro need 3 sword to fully use his strength..

[pastel garnet]

FYI when oda drew the starwhats aging he said zoro will get 4 and 5 sword style

[pure raven]

I can imagine him using double edged swords

[pastel garnet]

i believe an upcoming arc must have a davy backfight between the starwhat pirates and the red haired pirates
shanks will have mihawk fight zoro for him and zoro wins getting shanks' road poneglyph

however it can't be next arc as luffy and zoro will be out for a loooooooooong while after these fights someone will have to step up and lead the squad instead of luffy
and this is none other than usopp

[pure raven]

Nahh.. Luffy will need 2-3 days and a ton of meat..thats all it will take luffy to recover.. Zoro I don't know

Why I have a feeling that luffy will die coz of a illness.. It's just a bad feeling.. ;-;

[lunar shell]

I like the idea but I gather Oda's mindset suggest only two real arc next. Perhaps Teach's Arc to close the emperor saga, and then the "Final war" for the "One piece"

[pastel garnet]

i really don't want luffy and zoro to miss the banquet
with the beast pirates surrendering the left samurai will take over kaido's facilities and food

[lunar shell]

An illness seems cheap. But he will die yes sry.

[pure raven]

An unknown illness..just like Roger..

[modest skiff]

This discussion is more of a fit for #manga-serious than here, so please feel free to continue it there

[digital crest]

Actually disagree, because a new ocean doesn’t necessarily have to present a new arc or sequel series. Oda can a plan it as an open ended conclusion where the SHs continue on their journey in a free world. It actually fits with the whole concept of Luffy being the Freeiest man and prevailing as a liberator.

[clear kraken]

devils advocate time of why Kaido isn't done yet

1. Very anticlimactic ending panel compared to previous fights, iirc the only one that had a smaller ending was Moria
2. Thematically it makes no sense, in One Piece tyrants are always brought down in view of the ppl theyre oppressing, and meanwhile most of wano literally doesnt even know a fight was happening and even still believe kaido and orochi are good guys
3. like doflamingo's bird cage you'd expect that the flame clouds would be taken out because Kaido got taken out, but it was actually Raizo's water
4. Many plot threads in Wano aren't resolved, and they are always resolved before the climax
5. Oda said before that Luffy wouldnt take out Kaido with just a punch and yes while he can change his mind and u can argue that other ppl helped, this is still a relatively unlikely ending
6. The same thing happened with Doflamingo where people thought he was done after Luffy punched him really hard with Gear 4 but then Luffy was all like "no he's not done"

[lunar shell]

You can add 7. Kaido is alive

For your 1. Id agree but all fight ending pannel of this arc are kinda rushed like that

The rest I tend to agree. I guess the act 4 will finally begin? Jk

[pure raven]

That’s where chopper comes in to save his life

[shrewd haven]

wasnt there a anime editor or something that said kaido isnt wanos final villain?

[late pier]

2. They are flying right near and above the town where everyone is and sent up all their wishes for Kaido to be beat; Kaido was just smashed down into the ground and is HUGE. Just because we didn't see there reaction yet doesn't mean they didn't see it happen. There is no way the people didn't hear and see the explosion from Kaido smashing down right near by.

Furthermore no one in Wano " believe kaido and orochi are good guys" they all know they aren't. I am not sure what you are talking about.

3. The water wasn't used to defeat the flame clouds that were keeping the island up, they were used to put out the actual fire which wasn't caused by Kaido or his flame clouds.

4. The plots are not always resolved before the climax. Often there are plots setup for other periods of time, like how we still haven't resolved anything to do with Blackbeard despite Luffy and him clashing in more than one story ARC all of which had their climax.

5. Oda said luffy couldn't JUST beat Kaido with a big punch. He didn't say he wouldn't finish him with a big punch. It took a lot more than just that punch to beat him. And he didn't just beat him with his FIST, but also with his conviction; He's hitting him as he tells him his reason for fighting, to build a world where his friends can eat all they want. Something that Kaido can connect with emotionally.

6. Luffy didn't say that Kaido wasn't done here, so not sure how its the "same thing".

Add in the fact that floating lanterns on the panel right after Kaido falls into the ground (in his dragon form) say "Beat the scary Dragon" and you can see that Onigashima is crashing down in the last few frames implying that Kaido's flame clouds went out all seem like a good sign he is defeated.

[leaden edge]

What if luffy finishes Kaido with a spear or sword, like in the picture of Nika the sun god how he is shown with a sword and a spear

[patent nest]

Enel/eneru might return

[wet basin]

that was a lightning dude

[leaden edge]

I said WHAT IF @wet basin

[regal vessel]

Tbh I think Zunisha is here to announce that Luffy is Joyboy, which gives Kaido a reason to stop fighting

[glossy snow]

Doubtful he got what he desired on the moon

[split slate]

Knowing him... maybe he fell down some stairs to be more like Kuina.

[silent comet]

I don't know man, i'm sure kaido's knocked out by now

[dusk compass]

My first post wano bounty predictions

Post-Wano bounties
Luffy-5,000,000,000
Zoro - 2,500,000,000
Sanji - 2,350,000,000
Eustass Kidd - 3,500,000,000
Trafalgar Law - 3,000,000,000
Yamato - 900,000,000 to 1,250.000,000
Usopp - 400,000,000
Nami-275.000.000
Brook - 200.000.000
Franky-250,000,000
Robin - 500,000,000
Chopper - 1000
Carrot - 10,000,000 to 20,000,000
Jimbei-750,000,000 to 900,000,000
Additional Possibility (Less chances of Happening) - Grand Fleet gets new members,
Beast Pirates and Big Mom Pirates now are a part of grand fleet

[plucky reef]

Oven won't allow that

beast pirates and linlins kids might break.. some will get captured and some will form their own pirate group

[dusk compass]

Perospero Pirates XD

[plucky reef]

Katakuri might join but I highly doubt it.. he's too strong to surve Luffy

plus we don't know nothing about kats dreams, all he did in WCI was to surve and protect his family

Actually on all of them, we don't know shit

[keen vault]

it makes no sense in why who would join hes more like a rival

[timber silo]

he joins the grandfleet

[dusk compass]

Thts what i said

[pure raven]

So Dragon and by extension Luffy is a Lunarian, right?
is the D clan Lunarian?

[placid bay]

Hmm I can see that, it seems like a better reason, to me, for why Garp took Luffy from the village other than Luffy hunging out with Shanks.

[placid bay]

Why would Luffy be Lunarian, he has not demonstrated any of the trates King has and he has no wings. It makes no sense to me...

[pure raven]

I can see there being a thing about the the Will of D is descendant from Lunarians because that just seems like the next logical route
just needs one vague connection and it should hold up. its a pretty weak theory for now.

aka I hope we see more of Dragon soon.

[placid bay]

How is that the next logical route. What do you see that I don't. AFAIK there isn't any possible connection between the two. The only thing I can think of is the winged races might have been allies to the ancient kingdom which is highly possible to be connected to the will of D. Other than that I don't see anything to this.

[pure raven]

basically that, they either are the Ds or they were allies and thats why the WG wants them gone.

[terse dirge]

Will there be a second version of gear 5 to fight black beard?

[median saffron]

Who knows

[modest skiff]

In the future please post speculation sorts of things in #manga

[sick cradle]

I’m new here, if speculation doesn’t go in this channel than what does?

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for in depth theories with a lot of effort and evidence/thought put into them. Like the stuff in the pins. Speculation is more so just general chit chat and so it goes in #manga

[sick cradle]

Interesting, good to know

[ruby skiff]

the smiles joining the grand fleet would be a good idea

[sick cradle]

Kaido has been defeated. The fakeout, the power-up, the flashback, the final blow, and the complete exhaustion of every relevant powerhouse all point to this being the end of Kaido as an antagonist for this arc. That said, the Wano arc definitely isn’t finished. Kaido’s defeat marks the end of Act 3, but Wano’s story is clearly far from over. From the very beginning defeating Kaido was only a stepping stone for the end goal, opening the countries borders and ending its isolation from the world. A ton of the unfinished threads relate to Wano’s connection with the bigger picture and the world outside, and now that the country’s internal conflict has been dealt with these will become relevant to Oden’s dream of opening the country. Wano arc: Act 4 is definitely going to revolve around resolving this last mission.

[sick cradle]

The world government has already been set up to be directly involved with this. CP0 is on the island with unknown power levels and under the direct command of the 5 elders. The Marines are outside the country with the explicit intention of forcibly integrating it into the rest of the world. Most notably, every intermission has been about the revelry and some massive incident with the world government. The use of these intermissions directly and intentionally parallels Wano’s own isolation: while huge globally significant events are happening in the world at large, Wano is completely detached and uninformed, the same way the intermissions and the Wano arc itself are kept completely separate. As Wano rejoins the rest of the world, this separation will be broken, and the events foreshadowed in the intermissions will come in to play in the climax of the Wano saga.

[pure raven]

Cp0 strongest agents would just be admiral level at most

[pure raven]

I think wano will not be touched by the world government or the cp0 , it would be under the protection of luffy as a yonko .
|| + momonuske don't intend to open wano right now ||

There is zunecha outside of wano the marine won't be able to do anything...

[sick cradle]

Admiral level is more than enough to be a serious threat, considering the players that are active right now.
Of course this final conflict won’t have antagonists as strong as Kaido or Big Mom, but all (or most) of the members of the worst generation are out of the picture right now.

[dusk sand]

Please do not mention anything related to the spoilers in this channel, we have rules for a reason

[sick cradle]

I did not see the leaks, this theory is solely based on 1049.

Yeah, I have no idea what happens in 1050 but I don’t think I could be convinced that this arc will end without Wano opening its borders. Or at the very least, without a final conflict revolving around opening its borders.

[timid bolt]

oh shit sorry that was a spoiler.

[latent thistle]

i think that cp0 could be admiral level but since they’re an intelligence agency that’s not really necessary

[sick cradle]

Yeah admiral is a stretch but I don’t think they’re harmless

[errant walrus]

Lunarians are impervious to fire. as well as they can produce it.

if that is the case. Luffy cannot be Lunarian since he is not impervious to fire

[sick cradle]

Also because he doesn’t have big fuck-off wings
Do people think Luffy is lunarian?

[surreal oriole]

There is some decent theorys that he is partial Lunarian . Something like Luffy's mom was lunarian and she's the reason Garp would never work directly under the CDs. Gets a bit headcannony but I like it

[sudden heart]

I just realized, Kidd and Law are going to be so pissed when Luffy gets a higher bounty than them since he finished Kaidou on his own.

[modest skiff]

That’s the perspective I take, except for me it’s Luffy’s grandma

[sick cradle]

Is this because of Red Hawk? Because I thought it was clear now that that was a sun god thing

[surreal oriole]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was ur theory that put that idea in my head and I love it tbh hope its true

[modest skiff]

Appreciate it

[empty zenith]

my head cannon was that Red Hawk was caused by air friction

[sick cradle]

I think that’s what most people assumed before, but sun god shenanigans make way more sense

[magic saddle]

what if Luffy's devil fruit is one half of the Ancient Weapon Uranus

i know its a stretch but theres some evidence to back it up

[polar wharf]

I have been thinking about DF users lately and one in particular is toki, we know from toki that DF existed for at least 800 years in the OP world which honestly negates the theory that’s it’s a scientific creation as a whole, but this really made me think about DF’s that make the user immortal, such as big mom’s, Brooke, sugar, and even Bonny and theoretically Marco , enel and any DF that turns the users body into material that lasts forever. Like who were the previous users of these DF’s and have DF’s evolved and reproduced and possibly made more, because it seems that there are DF’s that seem to be capable of more than one thing, such example is katakuri clearly his DF is a logia X paramecia hybrid and and example of evolvement we can say baby 5 as well, I could really see DF’s back then have just divided their powers from an original DF or an original set of DF’s I could also for zoans you see some models of certain species of animals clearly came to existence post the creation of Devil fruits and not only that but some DF’s are based off of mythological creatures and some even suggest that there was an era where those creatures existed, man DF’s hold a lot secrets and this some things don’t make sense at all I would really want to see all the pieces brought together

[lapis lotus]

Was it confirmed that Otama’s fruit can’t work on Kaido and zone types?

[modest skiff]

In the future please ask questions like this in #manga . In only works on smile users and no other zoan

[modest skiff]

If you have such evidence, please feel free to post it. Otherwise, brief thoughts like this are a better fit for #manga since this channel is for more paragraph form theories

[placid bay]

First of all nice theory :D.

I don't think the DF's being realy old negate them beiing a scientific creation because we have no idea how advanced the ancient kingdom was but yeah this puts a bit of strain on the theory.

About immortality fruits:

I could agree with Bonny's fruit making you immortal but we don't know if its abilities has drawbacks and restrictions so it could be very difficult almost impossible to extend your life expectancy too much.

Sugar's fruit keep your appearence to that of when eaten but does that mean that you don't die say after 100-200 years. It's highly possible from a scientific perspective, since your cell are always young but isn't that making the fruit to overpowered. I'm a bit sceptic about it because such an insignificant person has it and not someone with political power.

Big mom's DF's is a bit cryptic when it comes to how it affects the user life span and since Big mom herself seems to age normaly I would put on the DF not giving you immortality but this can be argued that she made so many hommies that it shortened her life span. If this is true then her DF doesn't offer immortality but a huge life span which is almost the same.

Brooks' fruit is hard and tricky to argue against. I think it's a special DF that might actually grant immortality (assuming souls are immortal).

Marco's df's ability to heal might prolong the user's life span but I don't think it can do so for too long.

About "any DF that turns the users body into material that lasts forever" I think that's just BS. Just because the material lasts forever doesn't mean the user doesn't age. This one makes no sense IMO.

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DFs evolving and reproducing, hmm I m not too keen on this but you might be onto something here. Maybe with the lineage factor you could modify them like GM food in real life.

Katakuri's DF is considered a special paramecia. There some other special DF's and they are always overpowerd so them being geneticaly modified fruits (GM fruits) is a realy nice theory IMO. BTW katakuri is not paramecia x logia it's actualy paramecia x paramecia. Paramecia (Substance Generation) X Paramecia (Bodily Alteration). So maybe Katakuri's fruit is a combination of a paramecia that let's you produce mochi and a paramecia that turns your body into mochi or something like that.

Baby 5's df has too much anime logic in it for me, so no comment on it.

What species of animals existed after their zoan DF? How did you come to this conclusion?

There are a lot of secrets to DFs but we also have a lot of information as well. I would suggest reading the wiki as they offer a condensed source of info on DFs and then actually re-reading chapters talking about dfs or showcasing their abilities. Every time I do it, I almost always find out something new I missed or didn't make the connection.

[pure raven]

Was it ever stated toki is from 800 years ago? That makes it likely she was from during the period of the void century? why did she jump into the future possibly trying to avoid or run away from someone or something?
As for my question was it confirmed toki is from 800 years ago? And jumped forward in time?

[placid bay]

Yes it was. Don't remember the exact chapter but I think it was stated during the oden flashback

EDIT:
#catching-up message

[manic lichen]

well, we know what Otama can do right? She can control animals and smile-devil fruit users by feeding then her kibi-dango.
So, what if she starts using these on sea kings as well? Her devil fruit might just be a rip-off version of Poseidon.

[polar wharf]

Yes as Andreas said it was in the Oden Flashback

[polar wharf]

I could agree to the argument about sugar and big mom but Marco is a mythological Phoenix and phoenix’s are the embodiment of immortality in mythology.

As for the any DF argument look at enel for example he managed to restart his own heart after it stopped, this to me as someone with a medical understanding background makes me really wonder if enel is immortal or not

[polar wharf]

Katakuri’s DF I would still argue that it’s a paramecia X logia because he has the regenerative ability of a logia, he actually has attacks that fly out, and not only that but he can hide things in his body, kind of like caribou, he also has the ability to produce fists in mid air sort of what robin can do, he’s like those DF’s but not fully and in a different approach.

As for the species of animals, you see we as humans have made new species of dogs through extensive cross breading and clearly in one piece there’s a lot of cross breading that happens, such as raccon dogs being the case

[shadow dove]

Bigmom and kaido die maybe 🤷‍♂️

[pure raven]

You sure that link belongs to the correct message? It's showing me some other message lmfao

[vestal moth]

Hello guys I am back. I had taken 2 month break from Discord because of placement training. Any new crazy theories recently?

[pure raven]

Hey guys , I'm looking for a theory I heard someone mentioning briefly once,
Regarding how zoro will die but come back during wano arc, if anyone got any links or info regarding this theory please ping me lmfao

[deep fractal]

could big mom and kiado be encased in sea stone the volcano erupts then their blasted off to big moms ship

[pure raven]

I think its safe to say that Yamato will join the Straw Hats. I have my predictions that BB will kidnap Pudding in order to read poneglyphs as it was a very important information that Oda pointed out.

Katakuri will then step in and start a fight with BB, due to Sanji's debt to Pudding and Luffy's respect to Katakuri, I believe Katakuri will ask Luffy to help him causing us to have blackbeard arc.

I doubt Katakuri would join the Straw Hats and lead the Big Mom pirates instead. However I do think it will just be disbanded due to Big Mom and Perosperos being out if the picture. Katakuri, however, can still be an ally or if he joins, the Big Mom pirates crew can join the Straw Hat Fleet.

[wet tapir]

Same

[sand sail]

@sacred bobcat We don't have it, this isn't the channel to ask.

[sacred bobcat]

Apologies lieutenant won’t happen again 🤝🏼

[latent thistle]

big mom isn’t done, she’ll probably be back in elbaf since luffy promised katakuri he’d finish her off

[pure raven]

I hope we will now more about big mom if they go to Elbaf, + what happened to Mother Caramel

[zinc iris]

I wouldn't rule out the yonko just got launched away by the eruption

[lament finch]

I feel like blackbeards fruit might have to do with how black holes work, now I’m not too well versed in black hole theories but what I’ve heard is that black holes absorb and store “information”, which would explain why dark dark fruit can use others powers, the information from whitebeard could be used to recreate his gura gura powers.

[warm edge]

well that eruption gotta do something with the connection of wano to the one piece

[modest skiff]

My Fuji theory is looking very good right now. After BM and Kaido got sent down into the ground, my add on to my original theory was that they would be the ones to set the eruption in motion. For anyone curious, here is the original theory:

#manga-theories message

I will find my link to my thoughts recently that Kaido and BM would be a part of the eruption, but I’ll add it to my theory when I’m home

#also-manga message here’s my addition that Kaido and BM end up causing the volcano to erupt

[zinc iris]

Burgess was about to kill luffy and steal his power back in Dressorsa withouth blackbeard there, which implies that whatever secret method they discovered doesn't require the yami yami

[lament finch]

So then, maybe it has something to do with the physical body, devil fruits are rare right? Which means they cannot be found immediately after the user dies, maybe the fruit is the body and it transforms?

[zinc iris]

well my theory about the power theft still is cannibalism

[lament finch]

But isn’t there cannibalism in any world? Why would the method not be more commonly known, especially with how the world government in OP isn’t as widespread and ears around as the real worlds

[zinc iris]

cannibalism is something extreme even in the OP world so lack of data is easy to justify

[lament finch]

That is definitely possible but wouldn’t cannibalism still be performed enough for more than just Blackbeard to know it? Also how would BB know?

[zinc iris]

we know it works because that's how big mom inadvertedly got her power

[brazen bear]

"Chapter 1050 will be released on may 27-28, 2022 10years earlier, on may 27-28 2012 chapter 668 released luffy and law pirates alliance to defeat kaido. 1050 is probably the defeat of kaido in the hands of luffy"

[zinc iris]

someone depraved enough to do that won't just disclose it

bb could have found by accident, but he also is regarded as having some special knowledge in general

[quaint notch]

screw all ur discussions - the real question - is one piece really in one piece? if it's a thing will it be in one piece? if it's abstract will it be a one piece abstract concept? discuss

[lament finch]

Blackbeards inability to sleep is also another thing I find quite odd, I have seen the theory of 3 souls but what if he’s just mentally ill?

[zinc iris]

well multiple personalities taking turns could explain the lack of sleep

[lament finch]

DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder) might also explain his psychosis if he is mentally ill as aforementioned.

[zinc iris]

not needing to sleep is a condition that I haven't heard as illness

[pure raven]

the only way we get rid of kaido is if kaido died. unless he'll just go back to wano and kill everyone
(i'm remembering you that he can not be captured)

[lament finch]

Well yes, no sleep is not a symptom of DID that I have heard of either but it is 100% possible that it can occur, maybe he suffers from Insomnia or possesses the voice of all things. Blackbeard could also possibly be in contact with a traitorous member of the WG.

[zinc iris]

however DID is likely not enough to sustain multiple DFs
it would require something physical

[lament finch]

My suggestion is not that DID is the reason behind his df usage, my thought is that Blackbeard having DID might be a direct cause of his inability to sleep and possibly meeting entities or traitors that only leave at night

[zinc iris]

I think chimerism

[chrome spire]

I mean y’all literally ignoring the saying of “people from snowy places don’t sleep” which has been pretty much said multiple times now. So it’s more likely something genetic/physical that’s passed down

[pure raven]

Kaido and BM are alive in the pool of magma so they are going to awaken next week

[clever birch]

I feel a bitter sweet moment coming. I feel something is wrong with Luffy (he was just "sleeping" the entire chapter while smiling), what were the drawbacks from gear 5th? I think he's seriously hurt. I feel something bad has happened.

[noble steeple]

Im not sure Kaido can survive that, but Big Mom will be alive. After all, Zeus's life is linked to Big Mom's. And I think Big Mom will "escape" the lava with that volcano (tho she wouldn't be in condition to fight) and her crew might pick her.

[mighty ledge]

ok, hear me out, what if, Kaido sacrifices his soul to BM to return "the debt"

[vestal orbit]

kaido isn't that selfless, he doesn't like big mom holding that over his head either

[slate mirage]

Kaido fell from a sky island, i think he can survive

[pure raven]

This might sound silly but what if Zunesha joins the crew

[pure raven]

As an ally yes but as a crew member, impossible.

[sand chasm]

Next chapter predictions ?

[tall steeple]

Zunesha officially begins the long march to laugh tale

[pure raven]

It felt too easy tbh just to take down an emperor after learning Ryou and infusing conqueror's haki, I think kaido and big mom might actually stop luffy

[proud mulch]

I know it feels like the calm b4 the storm but if BM and Kaido rise from the lava who is available to fight them? Most heavy hitters are down at the moment…I mean it feels like kiado and/or BM coming out the volcano being the end of act 3 feels right

[proud mulch]

I feel next chapter we finally see adult Momo and some chatter about what’s been happening to citizens and the chapter after b4 break will be end of act 3 event…feels right with a break to have event to close an act

[pure raven]

Where is she gonna go after this arc

[pure raven]

Probably keep leading the minks onto newer destinations or help Luffy save Sabo

Holy shitttttt

[woeful forge]

the whole country of wano is certainly an anomaly; if we want to go along with some world building theories there's a good chance the whole of it is being "held up" by some sort of lasting DF power fromk the void century of further. i.e. creation of the red line. the whole system might be failing due to the removal of onigashima and subsequent addition of highly volatile materials (kaido and bm) right to the core of the island.

that's why i think the volcano that just erupted may be just the first, and the whole of the caldera underneath is going to explode, revealing a defeated big mom and kaido; big mom will be whisked away by BM pirates while kaido will be captured by the world government. after the dust settles wano safe, but at sea level, opening the borders.

[ancient ibex]

i think zunesha presses a button and wano lowers to sea level

[frail niche]

How much do you think Luffy bounty will go up. After wano

[unborn marsh]

Since he beat an emperor, I’d say another billion at least

[ancient ibex]

remember cp0 confirms he awakened id say add another billion to that

[unborn marsh]

Luffy beat the man that wrecked the best of cp0. Also Joyboy confirmed so like, price is dumb high. He might even become an emperor. Please lmk if I can say that here

[woeful forge]

15b

[honest igloo]

Mid-high 4b, maybe 5b but I don’t see it being that high yet

[strong tulip]

My Theory for 1051, is the magma that's cracking towards the water is going to cause the water to steam up and boil over/steam explosion causes the water to hit and sink the WG ships and problems solved.

[shrewd snow]

My theory is that the “underwater volcano” is actually akainus awakening. He’s arrived. Shit is about to go down. Start raining magma fists n allat

[royal spruce]

Hmmmm.... its still night time....

[prime magnet]

Kaido will be the first person Luffy kills? Instead of ruining someone’s dream he will actually fufill kaidos by giving him a “glorious death”

[wanton needle]

Insanely based

[snow herald]

Luffy never kills on purpose, accidentally? Maybe. When he sends people flying into the sky and stuff.
Big mum and kaidou need to either be so broken mentally or physically that they can't get in the way of the series. Or die.
They aren't the type of people to stay down from just a beating. They'll seek revenge.
If the magma doesn't kill/incapacitate them, I can see;
The eruptions sending them flying out in the vicinity of the WG, and they'll deal with the yonkou in someway. Something like crocodile's defeat.

[royal spruce]

remember thriller bark? that one didnt end when ya thought it did several times

[heady parrot]

ehhhhh idk about that. can you name any ending fakeouts in thriller bark? luffy had to beat moria and oars separately but never while reading or watching did i think “this seems like the end”

[hazy frigate]

What ? It felt easy ?

[wild dragon]

Will Wano/Onigashima end up becoming a sky island? It just looks like the process of forming a sea cloud/island cloud is starting now that there was a volcanic eruption as well as an Imperial Cumulus cloud forming in the skies of Wanokuni

[stiff scroll]

What if bb just showed up and those cracks are from the quake fruit. Steals BM and Kaidos fruits.

[desert notch]

Sounds stupid but idk. The only time that bb stole a fruit was wb’s. And we don’t even know in what way he did it. He didn’t really show how he got the power of the fruit but he didn’t just eat the gura-gura.

[stiff scroll]

I had the assumption that he could take fruit powers and give them to his crew members. But I can't seem to find anything confirming this is possible with bb.

[storm patrol]

They carry apples with them as the owner dies the DF goes to the nearest fruit, I think that way he might give his crew DF powers, if at all he has to.

[fathom wind]

The magma which Kaido and Big Mom fell into is currently in the process of becoming Sea Prism. Both Yonkos can’t use their Devil Fruit Powers to escape (Notice that Kaido was no longer in his dragon form in the magma panel), and they might be buried alive once the water and magma react to form some sort of rock.

[zinc iris]

at the same time, the volcano erupted so they might have been ejected far away by the eruption

[cobalt kayak]

theory: kaido and big mom are ALIVE

[soft blade]

What if Kaido and BM start fighting now?

[hot heart]

Okay, Luffy defacto beat Kaido. I'm actually shocked tbh, but whatever. I expected more from Kaido. I mean, I can still see him coming back, but again, at least once, Luffy defintely beat him,

I thought this period Luffy would go toe to toe, beat them in the future.

[pearl ermine]

Kaido felt fear for the first time in his life after Luffy demolished him with that punch and BM, barely alive, steals his soul and escapes the magma. 0% chance this happens but it is a theory.

[slim cedar]

I thought the navy couldn't kill Kaido?
Its been said that he had been captured many times before this (around 18 times) and no one could kill him.

[high holly]

If smiles are like df why did people eat many of them but didn’t explode.? I think eating two or more df doesn’t make you explode

[steel shadow]

Although its never been confirmed, you can probably eat multiple powerless fruits since the "devil" of the fruit isn't present anymore. Same logic would theoretically apply to the smiles. Obviously all guessing here but I think there isn't another logical explanation.

[formal ingot]

Big Mom used her df to tame the magma so that it wouldn't hurt her. what do yall think?

[pure raven]

You're telling me that luffy defeated Kaido, an emperor of the sea with years of experience just cause he learned Ryou, Gear 5 Awakening and infusing Conqueror's haki?

Surely it isn't over yet and we need to know what's going to happen to Big Mom because if she's out then Zeus is also losing his life

[hazy frigate]

I don't know about them dying or them completely out of the picture...but calling the fight easy

[pure raven]

Well it wasn't easy but it makes them look weak, how the hell did Kaido and Big Mom lose to them, they literally are called emperors for a reason and have 3x the bounty as luffy, they have the most years of experience after WB died

[hazy frigate]

The fight wasn't easy at all, luffy got defeated 5 times and he had to use everything in his arsenal to defeat him, and many other people also fought kaido, scabbards and Yamato too

[pure raven]

I know but its still kinda unbelievable if Luffy didn't back down it really makes you think hat even knocking Kaido out isn't enough to stop him

[hazy frigate]

And you are underestimating luffy by alot ..dude mastered how to coat his fist with conqueror haki by just getting hit by kaido few times, mastered future sight during a fight

[thorny scaffold]

Kaito is gonna rise 3 days later like jesus:))

[hazy frigate]

Luffy maybe dumb but he is definitely very good at fighting.

[pure raven]

Luffy is a 19 year old kid with a couple years of experience and Kaido is like a 50+ year old man who fought Oden, Shanks, Garp and Roger, maybe Rocks, Big Mom, etc.

It makes Shanks and BB look like easy targets as Shanks has no devil fruit and BB is just gonna spam his dark dark fruit and tremor tremor

[hazy frigate]

If you are talking about experience, then shouldn't Don chinjao be stronger than everyone else 😅

[pure raven]

Don Chinjao lost to Garp, plus he's not in his prime

[hazy frigate]

First thing kaido isn't easy target ..the whole battle made kaido look like an absolute monster, i would even go as far to say, had kaido been at marineford instead of whitebeard, he wouldn't have gotten hurt as badly as whitebeard, due to the fact that you can't hurt kaido unless you are using conqueror haki or ryou

[pure raven]

I just think something is going to happen. Especially even if he is down for good i don't think Luffy beats his opponents till they're dead and instead he lets them taste defeat.

I think they might make a reappearance somehow, those 2 got major flashbacks just as the battle was ending as well

[hazy frigate]

Of course they will make reappearance, both of em will but luffy's fights have been lil controversial among the community since he defeated katakuri, people have treated luffy as the underdog and big kicks and punches aren't enough to satisfy the audience, cause to the audience katakuri or kaido are absolutes and it's hard to digest their defeat when luffy wins like this.

[pure raven]

Most definitely.. katakuri's most used move is future sight after all

[hazy frigate]

But people need to stop underestimating luffy, i mean how would we know how strong was the last punch, kaido could have dodged it but he was arrogant and took it head on

[visual merlin]

"just because he learned 3 powerful techniques" don't forget the more than dozen people who helped him, and getting saved and healed at one point, and kaido holding back at times and holding up an island

yea, I think its fine if thats enough to win

[pure raven]

New generation seems really strong imo, I do not underestimate luffy but I also do not underestimate Kaido but for now since they announced the winner, guess we gotta see what happens next chapter.

Theres also saving Sabo arc in arc Luffy will be up Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora and Ryobugku

[visual merlin]

experience has never been an issue in one piece

[pure raven]

Yeah I get that but its fine 🤷‍♂️ as long as Kaido is bleeding and got hurt then he got damaged which means he lost

[tardy otter]

Wouldn’t mind them sticking around, a relationship similar to roger and shiki

[plucky cypress]

Kaido is a beast, only natural disaster can kill him

this is like the second time he fell from sky island, it's poetic, fyi next chapter will see Momo adult form.

[heavy ocean]

Almost forgot something happened with Sabo and Vivi

[knotty turtle]

Hey do you guys think smile fruit users can swim?

I think they’d be able to. The whole thing about devil fruits is that they take power from the sea, right, so the sea in turn punishes devil fruit users by sapping their energy and making them sink like a rock. But smile fruits don’t come from the sea - they’re synthesized, made in a lab. How would an artificially created fruit have that same connotation?

However on the other hand the effects smile fruits and devil fruits have on the body are nigh the same and I’d assume that chemically, it’d be very very similar.

[ancient ibex]

people from ebisu town cannot swim after they ate the already bit smile, i assume smile users cannot swim either

[lyric berry]

Isn’t it already confirmed they can’t? I coulda sworn they explained it when they revealed what smiles are with the gifters and waiters. Also Momo can’t swim and his fruit is artificial

[fathom matrix]

I think Momo will tell Yamato, the scabbards and others

"Look, my father was a great man, but look what happened when he left the country. Orochi became Shogan, Kaido took over, and our land was ruined. If we open our boarders now, while we're damaged, and unprepared, this could happen again"

And he promises that they will reopen soon, but now's not the best time, and I bet the boarders of wano will open some time around the final arc.

[mild venture]

can shanks be a celestial dragon?

[copper lantern]

Or maybe he doesn't want marines to come and will open when luffy will left

[fathom matrix]

That's why I mean, he doesn't want to leave this country defenceless

[pallid kite]

Shanks is a space bender in a game

[modest skiff]

!theories @pallid kite

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[paper plaza]

I agree in thinking Momo is gonna keep Wano closed until the country has been reconstructed, but the explosion seemed like it destroyed part of the waterfall so maybe Wano will be easier to get to and less isolated when it does open up

I also have a theory that Sabo is gonna be executed at Mariejois like Ace and Luffy will hear about it as soon as they make it to Raftel and wont even hesitate to turn his back on the goal of his adventure to save his brother.

[pure raven]

Synthetic material share many properties with pure / natural materials anyhow.

[sinful pebble]

Does anyone have a good theory about Zoros father?

[paper plaza]

I don't think we'll probably hear much about it mostly cuz Zoro probably doesn't care

[analog sun]

I'm not sure how well this checks out in Japanese (if there's a romanized version of the word to fit), but here's a short theory:
As we know Binks' Sake's lyrics seem to describe the hunt for the One Piece, which itself seems very linked to the Void Century and JoyBoy who, presumably, was a pirate from that era and had a crew.

What if his crew was called the "Drunk Pirates" fulfilling both the pirate cliche and the relation to Binks' sake, while at the same time creating a will to complete their objective which would pass down through sympathizers through a discreet D. initial.

Note: my previous theory was almost the same except with the word 'Drums' since I believe it does appear romanized in the Binks Sake lyrics and has the 'Drums of Liberation' connection. I'm not sure which one is better (neither theory is very strong)

[pure raven]

wouldn't it make sense if luffy will destroy fishman island only to free them (the fishmen) from the depths of the ocean, to achive his "free world"?

[solemn rose]

So, we've seen Kaido and BigMom's bodies floating on molten lava in the depths of the earth, AND that made the volcano explode. Does this mean they are dead ?

If not, Will they be captured by the marines or escape with Big MoM pirates ship?

[visual merlin]

they're probably dead

[pure raven]

My theory is that the volcano will completly destroy the 2 land peaks forming a sea in between .

(Cause why would oda make sysmic waves and volcano eruption + cracks in the earth if not for a reason )

Then kaido and big mom will go out in the ocean where either will be caught by marine / saved by their crew / or black beard will find their bodies to extract devil fruits .

I suppose kaido and big mom are probably still alive , but may also be dead .

i think blackbeard captured Sabo

[trim ledge]

opinions on akainu being down there?

[white pendant]

blackbeard or someone on his crew can read ponyglyphs

[white stone]

only robin can

[white pendant]

Mf going for a kill streak 💀

[white pendant]

its a theory mf. blackbeard would have went after robin already if wasnt able to read the ponyglyphs. hes tryna be the pirate king so he needs to be able to read the road pg's.

[balmy mica]

Who knows maybe one of the level 6 criminals might be able to read them

[eager frost]

BB is the type to plot and wait for best moment to strike and that has been shown several times. His best moment to go after Robin would be when SH finds all 4 poneglyph.
Instead of facing 4 potential crews individually he would now only face 1 and get everything he needs to reach Laugh tale while eliminating his biggest rival for PK title.

[white pendant]

🧐 valid

[crystal otter]

You know how fishman island is in a hole in the red line? The hole I think is the pleutau of wano. Dm me if u want to see images

[regal raptor]

Luffy bounty will be 4.9B

[scarlet zenith]

would Zeus being alive mean big mom is still alive since he is part of her soul?

[rough jetty]

I dont think big mom will die to the magma, she still need to lose to luffy

[regal raptor]

I don't think so. If big mom die, zeus too. Zeus soul is from bigmom.

[torpid mist]

i honestly think we need to see kaido in a WB near-death like state before he passes. but i dont think he will be fighting against wano anymore

[prime magnet]

He’s the never dying mountain

[tulip jay]

true

[near geyser]

1051 will reveal Rocks

[modest skiff]

!theories @near geyser @rough jetty @regal raptor @white pendant this channel isn’t intended for brief thoughts or idle speculation. It is intended for long form theories with elaboration, evidence and other such things. For brief opinions, please use #manga thank you!

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[white pendant]

😐

[rough jetty]

It was just a theory, define a theory for me

[pulsar lark]

Theory: Luffy’s mum is Im, who is probably neither male or female just the ultimate goddess, Luffy being her son must be a Celestial Dragon or the next person to be at the top of the government after Im. This will forever change the One Piece world and Luffy will make the WG less corrupt and order a world of freedom, he will make Koby Fleet Admiral and Sakazuki would have been defeated. The five elder stars will consist of Zoro, Sanji, Robin, Nami and Chopper/Franky/Brook

[simple ibex]

(I just thought of this and if someone else did I never meant to steal someones theory)

Theory: I don't think kaido is down, I actually think that since oda stated that the real enemy in wano isnt kaido(if I recall correctly) there will be a third party joining BB or marines and now that kaido is sure about luffy being joyboy he will become a ally and there will be a fight against kaido vs the third party. Might sound wierd but I think this is a possibility, I personally dont see momo being able to lift up onigashima, I think thats still kaido being alive.

[slender fulcrum]

Why going after Robin when you can follow the SH to laugh tale ?

[eager frost]

she is the only one currently capable of reading the text that we know of so even if they followed SH they will have to fight to get her to make sense of what one piece actually is.

[pure raven]

He'll completely obliterate the WG. 100%

[pure raven]

@still stag
So this theory is regarding the giant strawhat in mareijois
What I think is all the people with the initial D are the descendents of the crew/army of joyboy and isn't his, actually this explains why they all don't share much things in common. The giant straw hat probably belonged to one of the giants in the crew and there were chambers near that hat maybe imu is collecting all the strawhats and now the only one left is joyboy's hat itself

[slender fulcrum]

That's assuming the one piece is the last Poneglyph and not something else

[slender fulcrum]

Following this, we can say that the Jolly Roger of the D. was a smile wide open to show their alliegeance to Joy Boy aka Nika

[still stag]

that would make sense, im not sure why, but i always imagined joyboy being a giant.

[pure raven]

True makes sense

[eager frost]

there is written text on Laugh tale, its not an assumption.

[slender fulcrum]

Written text not equal to the One Piece, or else that'd mean that we already know what is the One piece, the text on the poneglyph. we don't know yet what is the one piece. Something on laugh tale explained by the poneglyph ? a weapon on laugh tale that as no link to the poneglyph? Some riddle on the Poneglyph ? Someting else? it's still open to wide speculations

[eager frost]

u must believe one piece is like an object where u pick it up and is declared PK? and none of the info left on Laughtale is of any significance to becoming the actual pirate king ?

[slender fulcrum]

Pirate King is a title made up by the Press, not by Roger. Nobody claims that picking something else on Laugh Tale will proof you're the pirate King. reaching the last isle is what made Roger be called " Pirate King ". Roger knew, like Oden and people before, that something would happen in 20 years and that someone ( most probably Joy Boy ) , needed to reach Laugh Tale, so he fabricated this tale to awaken a latent and potential Joy Boy's to reach this island. There is something on Laugh Tale that will just activate 20 years after him.

[pure raven]

This seems legit , oda did say one piece is actually something materialistic
So do you think it's actually a record which holds the information regarding the void century or some kind of weapon only joy boy can activate maybe Uranus itself is there
Also heard theories about why Roger couldn't get to it because you needed all the 3 ancient weapons and another how its the moon where it is located
Moons also seem to hold alot of significance in the one piece verse

[eager frost]

but ur whole argument is u can achieve everything by just following SH... they can't since there is significant info left on what need to happen after reaching the island. its like finding a gun without bullets

[slender fulcrum]

The whole tale is " Robin is needed to find Laugh Tale " not " Robin is needed to decipher the One Piece "

[slender fulcrum]

I think not subtle at all. The tale probably said that Joy Boy would awaken again in 20 years and that only him would be able to do something with the One Piece on Laugh Tale. Roger came to soon because Joy Boy wasn't born at all. Somehow there is someone who had a gift of foresight or who could shape destiny and manipulated everything to make that point happen in 20 years. Even the sea king know about this 20 years deadline... So this someone told every one amongst his allies and wrote poneglyph

[pure raven]

Do you guys have any theories regarding the creatures possibly theorized to be zunesha's herd or even called umibouzou cameos that appeared in the Florian triangle
Cause I don't seem to belive it is zunesha's herd cuz they were bipedal which zunesha isn't

[eager frost]

what.. why do u think they are going laugh tale in the first place? to find one piece. without her how would they know if they tripped and fell on it lol but u believe there is nothing for her to do once they reach the island?

[pure raven]

Reaching laugh tale imo will only be the first key that opens up the chest to decipher the mysteries of the world maybe different islands with different records regarding the void century and war that joyboy fought and only Robin can read those
Maybe the one piece is something that guides you to that info
Hence the missing ONE PIECE
to unlocking it all or can even symbolize something that was taken out of history that is void century itself as in one piece which was taken out of this world's history
Very interesting indeed

[slender fulcrum]

That's not what we've been told yet. To find laugh tale, you need to decipher the Road poneglyph. The Yonko couldn't find laugh Tale because of this. Big Mum reliad on the hope that Pudding would be able to with her mysterious third eyes. You can't reach Laugh Tale without deciphering poneglyph. That's all we know right now.
1- we don't know if the one piece is decipher through poneglyph ( nobody knows this )
2- we don't know if Robin's skill at deciphering poneglyph would be useful on Laugh Tale
3- BB certainly doesnt know that he need robin once on Laugh Tale while he can just follow the SH from afar to reach the Island

[eager frost]

true. its pretty evident her ability to translate will be essential even after reaching the island so the original point... BB would have to fight SH if he wants to get everything he is looking for

[slender fulcrum]

Moreover BB can still kidnap pudding and try to use her third eye power somehow, since BM was certain that it would lead her to Laugh Tale

[pure raven]

It has been theorized he already attacked wci while bm was absent
Makes kinda sense for pudding perhaps?
Then again this is a pretty baseless claim lol

[slender fulcrum]

Truth is I don't see BB attacking wano to find the road poneglyph and decipher it ( he might do it in sneak mode though ) this fast after wano was rid of Kaido. I think he'll just follow the SH sneakily to find it. It his way of doing thing. He do things dirty. If he can't reach Laugh Tale by his own mean then better to follow someone who can without being noticed

[eager frost]

that would be more work for him. He would still have to either defeat SH to get all poneglyph or kidnap Pudding and hunt them individually.. there is no point in Kidnapping pudding if he plan to follow SH to Laughtale since he will end up fighting them regardless and getting chance to take robin

[slender fulcrum]

Well, my logic is : He follow the SH, enters Laugh Tale, see what they are up to or what they are finding, and once they find the jackpot, attack them to steal it. That's BB method
(If BB is still interested in LT by the way. If he got enough power he might even challenge the WG directly to rule the world as Xebec wanted ( a man's dream will never die ). This Imu will be BB adversary, and BB will triumph over him / her. Thus SH will have to free the world from BB rule after they find the One Piece )

[pure raven]

Well we know for sure bb ain't the final antagonist after imu's introduction
Bb will just be the temporary obstacle to perhaps reaching the secret that imu is gonna consider eliminating the life of the person who finds it, from history itself
The secret being one piece itself which will just set up the chain reaction of events
Damn I hate this cd

[slender fulcrum]

Turns things around. BB will attack Imu sama, while Luffy is on Laugh Tale. BB will bend the world to his rule and will submit the WG and the marines to his rule. Chaos everywhere, the big war is starting. Luffy will have to topple BB to restore the " freedom " to the world

[pure raven]

Plot twist : Bb was joyboy all along

[eager frost]

mine isn't that far off. my take would be they will face off each other to "decide" who becomes the PK in a winner takes all before setting sail to Laugh tale or on Laugh tale since these are the main 2 candidates for it. If BB wins he will have the poneglyph and robin to achieve his goal so this is a fight he can't avoid + we have seen BB wanting to beat Luffy and having the confidence in winning so he might not feel the need for that much of a sneaky approach.

[slender fulcrum]

Its possible that BB will steal the one piece from Luffy and will incapacitate / lock the SH while he go back to Marijoie to pummel Imu and the Gurusei. the SH will free themselves and will go after him. That's two possible outcome
@eager frost I think it's the following. BB will start to follow Luffy once he'll learn that he defeated Kaido ( BM + Kaido = road poneglyph on luffy's hand )
Shanks got the last one hidden on Lodestar Island. He'll reveal it to Luffy , Shanks would be the last obstacle before Laugh Tale and he'll be the gatekeeper to allow one's to reach it if he agrees or not.
He stood there because he want to be the last wall between laugh tale and BB if ever BB find the road to LT.
Luffy will go to LT's road and BB will follow him and end up against Shanks who will denies him the passage. BB will defeat Shanks.

[eager frost]

that would be a decent way to tie up BB v Shanks stuff.

[regal raptor]

Theory nami might be a celestial dragon.

[warm edge]

heard about it very little though, possible yeah

[ember oriole]

After reading the new chapter I have a theory about the reaper zoro saw because we know zoros left eye is closed and there is a theory something to do with the reaper or ashura,some also say he will open it in the future and his eye will look different.Well in the new chapter when chopper asks about zoros condition and franky says he isn’t opening his EYES.So maybe oda is foreshadowing that zoro is gonna get both his eyes back but that reaper has something to do with it

[modest skiff]

“It’s a theory” is not sufficient for this channel. It needs elaboration, evidence and effort put into it. The definition of a theory is not all we require. Thank you for asking and I hope this helps

[sinful pebble]

What do you guys think 333VIL's "this is how one piece will end" video? I felt like he spoiled everything to me... Am I the only one?

[modest skiff]

It’s just well presented but is filled with lots of logical holes and defies things Oda has directly told us. It’s just entertainment

[late pier]

100%. If she died, anything made by her devil fruit power and containing her soul would most likely die as well.

The real question is can you kill someone who has parts of their soul living in other places? Do you need to kill all of the soul to kill someone?

[late pier]

A tale is usually a "tall" or "made-up" story, and a "laugh tale" sounds like it would be a story made up as a joke (or a prank). So I always wondered if Laugh Tale was where you went if you followed the poneglyphs incorrectly; and that the One Piece is actually on a different island.

Though now that I know that Luffy is Joy Boy for sure, and no his real powers now. I wonder if the one piece is on Laugh Tale (whatever it is), but it is something that can only be unlocked or accessed by Joy Boy. The naming scheme definitely means something; though it doesn't mean it means this lol

[late pier]

Isn't a coincidence the name of Joy Boy and Laugh Tale are related. Perhaps Roger couldn't do it because only Joy Boy can unlock the secrets of Laugh Tale.

[late pier]

Roger promised his "treasure" was out there; I don't believe me made that up, I would say that more likely the treasure is the proof of the truth of the void century. One piece has thrown in our face over and over again that treasure isn't just gold, it's something you care deeply for and about. He didn't lie, his treasure is out there; he just didn't specify what it was.

[long turret]

My theory is that BB will reach Wano and he will try to get Kaido and BM’s fruits, he will kill them and take the fruits but then he will be stopped by Shanks. The next parts of the arc will be about BB vs Shanks, where the latter will die and BB will try to reach Laugh Tale but the SH will have to race against him and reach the place before him. This is conveniente because you don’t need another arc to introduce the other to yonkos and if three of them die in this arc the “VS Yonko” saga can end and start the final one. I don’t think there is enough time to cover other Yonkos, the final war+Laughtale will probably be 5 year long and the world is already going to pieces

[pure raven]

i have a theory (self thought up). imagine shanks appears in wano kuni. Eustass real opponents (the first Yonko against which he has fought, was shanks) luffy is Yonko because he defeated kaido. law because he defeated big mom and Eustass because he defeated shanks. but not really, he defeated him, Shanks gives his Yonko status simply on. And says the navy want around the world say Eustass has shanks defeated and is a now a Yonko. One can lie easily spread outside wano because the borders is locked. Shanks will do that because he celebrates the new generation. And he does not need Yonko status to be feared. Each knows he was on the ship of gold roger. then 100% the old generation would be passed. and the new generation would be active with yonko as Blackbeard, luffy, kid, law.
(used google translator cause bad english)

Do you guys think there is another level of haki?

I mean kaido did state how haki > devil fruits, and that starts questions such as how roger was able to keep up with whitebeard. I mean was his haki that much stronger, or is there another type of haki only a select few can access, this does explain roger and garp’s superior strength despite lacking a devil fruit. What are your thoughts?

[pure raven]

I think I saw that in a one piece video game story, where at the end of the Wano Arc BB appeard to fight Big Mom and then Kaido interfered.

[cloud sail]

Anyone see that new theory posted by Marshall d preach?

[quasi roost]

Haki no, but voice of all things, Yes probably. We have seen the advanced versions of all 3 Hakis too, while conquerors is very rare, Voice of All things could be the most rarest form and Joyboy/Luffy with Voice of All things can actually command all the creatures or converse with them or something like that. That's the final power up if I'm making a guess

[slender fulcrum]

in WCI arc all the homies became very weak when BM was on her tantrum so their are tied to her lifeforce. Zeus should be very weak atm but as long as he's there BM is alive.
BTW, Wano arc is not over since the Gurusei clearly said that if Luffy win, the WG will have to make its move to make wano part of the WG, so they will send a delegation or more to convince Wano to join them

[pure raven]

my theory/opinion about zoro see grim reaper its actually indicating of something much catastrophic after luffys fight

ISNT OVER YET there's something fascinating why the grim reaper show up its telling zoro to wake up u have to do something about incoming death

ANOTHER ONE>>>>

remember when killer stab zoro he smiled attacks with much powerful damage

i think this grim reaper is a good one and it will gift something powerful to zoro for the incoming catastrophe

[slender fulcrum]

I think it might be correlated to Enma. Enma is testing Zoro and this test will be passed if he survives this. Enma judged his souls by slashing it and see if he's worthy. The blade might become black after this.
Enma is the king of Hell in Japanese-Buddhist myth, the judge of dead souls.

[pure raven]

i dont care and disagree with enma becoming a black blade how sad is that Ryuma put a lot of hard work and zoro just poop and get schlong no way lol

[slender fulcrum]

I'd say the hard work of Enma was already more than made by Oden though. As for Ryumaa... We don't know if all the blade can become black it it's just certain blade. We know for sure that Enma can

[pure raven]

Guys what do you say about that

[fathom matrix]

I said this before but it may not be a simple case of pumping haki into the blade

I think you need to really care about and have a connection with your sword for it to be a black blade, and to temper the metal with your will.

Big Mom, Kaido, Shanks and Roger treat their weapons like....just weapons. Tools, but Zoro treats his swords almost like they're human and tries to respect them.

So by having strong haki + a care for your blades, that will lead to you being able to create a black blade

Rhyuma was probably called a sword god, not just for his overall power, but for his connection and care with his blades

[final cairn]

i think that luffys last gear will be 6 just like a bike

[pallid kite]

Some bikes have 8 gears and maybe more ⚙️

[slender fulcrum]

Gear 5 - Giganto Mode

[timid steppe]

meh, its very unlikely but good idea

[lavish mirage]

Kinda feels like a thriller bark situation to me. Big fight happened, now this is the "kuma" situation once bm/kaido get back up

[zealous grail]

It's aged meat. The meat Roger discovered on Laugh Tale needed to age for another 20 years. When Luffy reaches Laugh Tale, the greatest meat dish will be his reward (totally a meme theory but kind of funny and amusing for One Piece imo)

[warm edge]

@odd apex under enies lobby

[sand chasm]

Wtf could the One Piece be ? I need theories

[zealous grail]

I told you bud. It's aged meat. 800 year aged meat. Rogers was 20 years to early to partake in it. Thus... he was BIG SAD. Luffy gets to eat it. Thus a reward fitting for Luffy

[warm edge]

according to some huge ass theory it's luffy and a monkey shit idk, look up of the theory by Marshall D preach, not gonna watch it and don't wanna know anything that have anything to do with it

What we know about Shanks, and why he can't be trusted;

• He knew about the Gum-Gum fruit (or at least that's what we known it being as) and that the WG had a special ship transferring it.
• He was born and probably found around God Valley incident.
• Got his scar by BB, timeframe unknown while fighting the world strong swordsman and remained unharmed (scars etc)
• THE GOROSEI, let him talk to them - "ONLY BECAUSE ITS YOU, WE MADE TIME"
• Shanks warned everyone, especially whitebeard about BLACKBEARD.

"What did you come all the way here for?"
"Considering your status, you should stay away from politics."
"Since it's you, we made time"

Shanks definitely had interaction with the WG before, some might say he is a world noble but I wouldn't say so.
Shanks was born around God Valley incident and joined Roger's crew when he was really young and they did say "it's been a while since we held a baby(prolly shanks)".
Shanks could be Xebec's son, or any other connection to the WG.

Shanks definitely knows shit, He tried to gain something or save certain someone during Marineford, Why does he care if some pirates or marines die?
Luffy was basically rescued before he arrived.
Shanks left his hat for Luffy until he became A GREAT PIRATE (Joy Boy?)

[proud tree]

Punk Hazard is the only "natural" island that had no magnetic field and no log pose pointing to it (chapter 666) ... Any theories on Onigashima and weather it has a magnetic field or not? Since the Wano volcano is in focus now I think One Piece will get centered around geology (key: Seastone, Pyrobloin, Sky Islands, Vearth) more and more going forward.

[pure raven]

I got this one lmao
https://youtu.be/_6siMROoImk

[pure raven]

Just wanted to ask madam Shirley possessed advanced color of observation?
Was just thinking about something when this came to my mind.
any theories ?
Just think about it the events noted on the poneglyph predict the future so there might have been someone like her but even way better in predicting the future that they predicted 800 years+ of future events
How was it , maybe a really advanced colors of observation? Even though seems far fetched I think it's very intriguing

[worthy sinew]

They're probably going to send an admiral and not a delegation
Now that kaido is gone and the forces present there are depleted wano is pretty much ripe for the taking

[celest oracle]

No because even though big mom used her life span on zeus, thr life span now belongs to hom. Pretty much zeus will stay alive until the lifespan big mom give him runs out. Whether or not she is dead.

[celest oracle]

Sharingan lol

[celest oracle]

Ooo i like this one

[celest oracle]

Nah but ryuma lost to zoro

[vestal orbit]

powering through the one minute cooldown

[celest oracle]

YES THATS PERFECT

[celest oracle]

Lol

[little mortar]

I got a question. If Luffy’s df is zoan, what will be happening if Luffy eats Tama’s kibidango?

[tulip jungle]

tama’s df only works on smile users and natural born animals. there hasn’t been any proof that tama could possibly tame luffy

[pure raven]

Hmm pretty intresting but what exactly ?

[worthy sinew]

That was not the full strength ryuma though
The zombie ryuma was a blend of brook and himself

[pure raven]

Body of ryuma but the skills of brook if I'm correct , nowhere near as strong as his prime definitely not lol

[worthy sinew]

Yeah

[celest oracle]

Yeah you got a point

[frozen swift]

lmfao imagine if it worked that way , then tama could tame kaido

[hidden socket]

Think its confirmed it don't work cause she fed page one

[tender forum]

yes, Tama's kibi only works on animals and SMILE users

[zinc iris]

not necessarily, persistence of powers after death is in a case-by-case basis
eg gekko moriah explicitly states that even killing him won't release the zombies, so there are powers like that

[copper snow]

Blackbeard doesn't dream because he doesn't sleep

[outer aurora]

menace

[warm edge]

nah there's that new theory mindblowing everyone by Marshall D Preach.

I've seen even people hating on one piece saying if it is the truth Shakespeare would be a childlike next to Oda lmaooo.
I'm so intrigued to watch it but also genuinely think I will get spoiled and if it is the truth, rip all my years and love to one piece.

[pure raven]

I juts read a theory about luffy's tattoo being actually a foreshadowing of (luffy kid and law ) vs 2 yonko big mom and kaido .

3D. 2 YONKO

Which actually prove in its own sense that kid is also a D.

Eustass D. Kid

My theory is that tattoo means also luffys revenge against the marine will be after luffy kid and law beat the 2 yonko . (Oda telling us )

At that moment when luffy mourned his brother he ring the bell 16 time as declaring a war against marines .

Maybe in next Arc or 2 Arc there will be the big war of luffy's revenge .

[visual merlin]

I've seen this theory an odd number of times, is there any evidence behind it or is it just a spitballed idea?

[pure raven]

I just read it too , which seems pretty interesting there is no argument or base to it .

But it feel right when I read it, I tought maybe that tattoo was actually not only for his crew but also a promise for revenge after luffy beat the 2 yonko .

[visual merlin]

It was just for his crew, he'd know nothing about law or kid being Ds or them helping him in the future, nor would he have a grudge against the yonko. I don't get the revenge thing

[pure raven]

Obviously ,I meant it in the sense it's odas foreshadowing to us

[visual merlin]

we've no reason to believe oda is foreshadowing that though

that'd also be a very weird place to foreshadow the wano fight of all things

This is just a coincidental letter thing

[pure raven]

Not specifically the wano fight but luffy's revenge against the marine.

Cause at that moment luffy was mourning his brother ...
So it's make sense

[visual merlin]

How does that mean it'd make sense? What does 3 Ds vs 2 yonko have to do with revenge with the marines?

[pure raven]

It means luffy will fight the marines after he beat the 2 yonkos .

[visual merlin]

how does that connect

Why write 3 D vs 2 yonko if the point isn't even that fight

and what would mourning his brother change here/

[pure raven]

You just don't get the point.

The tattoo is a message for his crew we agree to that telling them to meet after 2 years not 3 days .

But I'm saying that if the tattoo may actually also mean ( 3D. Vs 2 yonko),

Oda may also be telling us that after luffy fight the 2 yonkos he will fight the marines to take revenge for aces death, as at that time he was mourning his brother and ring the bell.

Luffy infiltrated Marineford to ring the Ox Bell. He rang it the traditional sixteen times. Lieutenant Commander Brannew of the Marines analyzed it as a declaration of war.

[visual merlin]

And Im asking you why it would mean that. Why would it be telling us that he'll fight the marines after the 2 yonko? If its trying to do that, it's done a bad job, and its not made clear the "3d" part since kid isn't a D

There's just no real basis or evidence for any of this, its just a coincidental letter connection between the D and Yonko

[pure raven]

If you want to think so .

[pure raven]

And why would you want oda to make it clear for you ?

Luffy ring the bell 16 time after he mourned his brother as a declaration of war .

Its a theory not based on fact 100% it has some sense im not saying it's the truth .

Also why assume kidd isn't a D when no one said he wasn't or he was ?

[visual merlin]

There is a fine line between making it clear, and it having nothing going for it at all

And because Kid has been around for quite a while and has no mention of it. Just like with any other character, until he's said to be a D, he's not one

[pure raven]

Well I dont agree with how you process informations , as you just don't like to assume anything .

Your process of thinking is mathematical, which can't be applied to a theory of a story .

[visual merlin]

what

Im just going based on whether or not there is anything supporting it

nothing supports it

so it can't be all that great

[pure raven]

And I'm not saying it's the truth or its based on fact or argument Im just assuming as i said before .

[visual merlin]

Thats fine if you're able to acknowledge it, all Im saying is if thats the case, it can only be a bad theory rn. The whole thing is really just going off of "well maybe this is the case cuz D clan and Yonko start with D and Y"

[warm edge]

Imma go watch that one piece theory of Marshall D Preach, smh

[sly juniper]

Ok so you know how a couple weeks ago after the cover story featuring the silhouettes of the two caped figures, some people were suspecting Crocodile and Mr. 1, or perhaps the Blackbeard pirates, had arrived at Totto Land. Though, after this week's chapter I think people are pretty confident in saying it was just Ichiji and Reiju all along. But as I was just going over the all the pages of the cover story so far, I do still think there's a chance that those silhouettes we see aren't actually Ichiji and Reiju

[late pier]

True, however Moria puts other people's souls into his zombies. Meaning if he dies, the zombies still have a soul to power them and keep them alive. That is quite different then Big Mom, who uses her own soul to give life.

[late pier]

And he just happened to know he would beat the 2 of them while fighting with 2 other people containing the name of D. Doesn't really make sense.

That would require being able to see the future, which Luffy had not learned to do yet, and even if he had to be able to see that far ahead is crazy and if Luffy could do that he wouldn't be able to be touched let alone have difficulty in a fight with anyone even Kaido and Big Mom at same time lol

[late pier]

A theory shouldn't assume, assumption is treating opinion as fact without proof. Which you shouldn't do ever.

A theory should use FACTs to predict a potential possibility, with the knowledge that you may be WRONG.

The amount of subtlety required for your "theory" is too high; the pay off is way too low and inconsequential. Whether or not your theory is true doesn't matter because either way it doesn't change or add to the story.

If it was true, it would be a pointless and stupid use of foreshadowing that literally provides nothing to the story.

[late pier]

Changed your mind on that quickly lol

[warm edge]

Fuck off lmaoooo

[near ridge]

It wasss seeekh

[warm edge]

As in sick?

[near ridge]

Yea sick

[warm edge]

What if it's real and we get spoiled thiugh, whatever if the guy managed to actually figure it out then smh

Ehhhhhh fuck it im watching whatever

[tender forum]

is there a theory on the relationship between zunesha and imu, seeing that they both have similar eye pattern

[pure raven]

Spandam and Robin 😳

saw someone make this connection on twitter and thought it would be interesting to post here.

“the victor needs no epithet”

could be used to support kaido and big mom’s return.

[dense remnant]

when yamato said " onigashima would have smashed into the ground if not for our leader" was she referring to momo or luffy?

[pure raven]

momo

[waxen maple]

if luffy's devil fruit isnt the real gum gum fruit, i wonder if theres somebody out there who ate the real one with the same and some extra abilities like luffy (i was thinking maybe they could stick to stuff or something)
idk i tought about it and it sounded pretty cool

[proud tree]

I believe even if Kaido returns it will be a weakened state. since the Magma in Wano could contain seastone his body could be weakened for the rest of his live

[pallid kite]

gum gum fruit is actually rubber rubber fruit

[waxen maple]

oh is that the real name? i mean the real name they called it in the beginning

[dense remnant]

whos gonna tell em?

[pallid kite]

Gomu (Japanese) = Rubber (English)

Gamu (Jp) = Gum (Eng)

However, gum is “chewable”rubber. And rubber originally came from resin from rubber trees.

[waxen maple]

but luffy didnt eat that one right? he ate the sun god or whatever fruit, the hito hito no mi, right?

[waxen maple]

.

[pallid kite]

Yeah. It’s possible there is a real gomu gomu fruit that is not the Hito Hito fruit sun god mode.

It’s also possible that gomu gomu and human human sun god fruit are the same thing but different name to hide the identity of the god fruit

[pine oasis]

Maybe if there was a normal rubber fruit it would have a completely different name
Like a Japanese word that’s synonymous to gomu

[pallid kite]

I wondered the same question too. It’s possible that the entire Yonko system gets disbanded like the shichibukai system

[waxen maple]

yeah, itd be cool if they were to maybe make a spinoff where the mc has the real fruit's powers

[fathom matrix]

Probably. They might state that the world is changing, and the time for warlords and emperors are coming to an end.

Heck, after the one piece is found the age of piracy might end too. It becomes an old trend people will get bored of and it will die out.

[pallid kite]

It’ll probably be World vs ALL

[pure raven]

not until luffy defeats shanks and BB, and remember that a yonko is simply a pirate who has an empire, it's not like the shichibukai that can just be removed from their positiom by a decree

[nimble lake]

457

[mental pike]

I actually have a theory about that. It kind of assumes a bit about how devil fruits work, though.

The theory is that Nika was a real person who ate the gum-gum fruit, and wound up getting turned into one themselves. (A devil fruit)

It's a longshot, but it would explain why the Nika fruit's awakening has elements of both Zoan and paramecia awakenings.

[warm edge]

Yooooo wtf

That's actually amazing

[mental pike]

There's also the fact that zunesha was immediately able to recognise Nika as joyboy by heartbeat. Of course, that would be assuming that Nika and joyboy are the same as well.

[warm edge]

They are 100%, joyboy is a title passed down to the people chosen by the nika fruit as they are "joyous"

[mental pike]

That's an interesting connection, I never thought of it like that. I was referring to Nika being the same person in human history that zunesha knew.

[warm edge]

Well, nik is a zoan type df so idk about it being a human before

[mental pike]

Yes, but it is derived from the human-human fruit. The full name is the human-human fruit, model: Nika.

[warm edge]

True, if that's how zoan model types work, ot would explain alot and make sense with the human human buddha and all the dinosaurs models in the beast pirates

That regarding them turning into a devil fruits

If that's the secrets of the zoan devil fruits at least, it would make sense as they have a will of their own, and why you could apply it to inanimated objects aswell @mental pike

[mental pike]

Yep, it sure would

I guess that is a really big validation for this theory, wow

[warm edge]

What validation?

I would make a theory about it when I got time

[mental pike]

Oh, I meant the fact that the other Zoan mechanics seem to be explainable by it

It's not like it's confirmed, though

[jolly haven]

i thought only paramecia could awake
how does zoan awakening look like?
turning your environment in a dragon?

[warm edge]

Im not sure, but the guards in impel sown, the monsters guards are awakened zoan

[mental pike]

In chapter 1043 - onwards, Luffy awakens his devil fruit, which is revealed to be a Zoan type fruit.

[jolly haven]

yeah, luffy
but what about the others? besides the hito hito no mi nika fruit

[mental pike]

According to the wiki at least, that's true. If those are regular animals, they might not have the intelligence to turn back. Also the awakening seems to perfect the increased strength they get from being hybrids. (Which would be a reason not to turn back)

[heady parrot]

the first awakening we ever saw were regular zoans in impel down. the jailer beasts were awakened zoans.

awakening doesn’t mean you’re effecting things outside your typical range like the environment, that’s only necessarily true for paramecias. we have no confirmation on what logia awakenings do, and mixed messages on the limits of zoan awakenings although it appears mythical and regular zoan awakenings (or maybe just human based zoans) are very different from each other with different abilities, and different drawbacks.

regardless, the awakening power system certainly seems to be more complex than we initially thought when it was kinda explained by doffy.

The rarity of awakening in the op world is probably the biggest contributor to our lack of knowledge. Quite literally only the top 1% of fighters in the op world seem to reach awakening. Seems to be even more rare than having conquerors.

[mental pike]

It might be partially due to the user's species that they seem so different. The jailer beasts are all presumably humans with animal zoans (judging by their hybrid forms), but Luffy is a human with a human zoan, so hybridisation doesn't work on him (oda even confirmed this in an sbs). What's really interesting about Luffy is that he hasn't turned off the rubber properties that the fruit grants him, which should still be possible via transformation. It also persisted while he was underwater, like a paramecia power would.

[slender fulcrum]

put this foolish theory to rest. The Gurusei said that they gave the Nika Nika no mi a " unique name ", as Gomu gomu no, so they gave the name of a fruit that did not exist. gomu gomu fruit is the nika fruit, there are no " gomu gomu fruit " , since there is only one, the Nika Nika no mi
If you want to keep a fruit secret and replace its name, you'd better not name it after an already existing fruit since it'd trigger interrogation and question, the opposite of what those who renamed the Nika Nika no mi wants

[pure raven]

Anybody see that Zoro's Arm turns into Bones for a panel when fighting King? He was grabbing enma and it looked like his skin was being Pulled off

[fathom matrix]

Plus, it's a very weird zoan type fruit, in the sense you only get the base ability and you can't transform. So maybe the WG has encountered nika fruit users before, but it kept reincarnating over time, and the WG could just never capture it. They kill or trap the user, the fruit power escapes.

But they notice that the user NEVER unlocks it's true power. So they change the name of the fruit, to the gomu gomu no mi, because they only get the rubber body and that's it.

And the reasons why they don't capture Luffy, give him a higher bountry etc, are because they want to avoid suspician, information hasn't reached them that Luffy has a rubber body nor stating what fruit he has, and the Gorosei probably only found out he had a rubber fruit after the timeskip, the Nika fruit secret seems to be under wraps from almost anyone, etc

[late pier]

I would say you are mostly correct, with the correction that the WG knew luffy had the gomu gomu fruit (nika model) to begin with, they just weren't worried because it had been 800 years since someone was able to awaken it and they didn't think Luffy would either.

[fathom matrix]

Plus, you can't give someone a huge massive bounty out of nowhere sometimes unless they're shown to be a real or really well known threat

[worldly owl]

What if Sword was started by Otsuru-san instead of the default Garp or Sengoku. She rescued X-Drake during law flashback similar to how Sengoku took in Corazon in Doffys flashback (forshadow?) and Garp may have given Coby to her when she asked for him after she saw his resolve in marineford.

[timid steppe]

it was just zoro giving a chance to King, who would need two arms to defeat a 1st commander? lmao cringe

[timid steppe]

make more sense than Garp or Sengoku create Sword, no one of them seem to have a sense of justice to be standing against WG and Marine creating a faction aside (also that we never even known much about her)

[kindred patio]

Does anyone now who will become the next yonkos of the sea besides luffy cause now there are two spots open?

[visual merlin]

it can just be 3 for a while

[kindred patio]

I just can't wait for luffys new bounty and when the next arc starts

[timid steppe]

It wont have more yonkous, i think that Luffy will be call by the same nickname as Roger before become PK. "The Great Pirate, Luffy" (Or yonkou too, if BM didnt fall)

[wintry acorn]

So what are you guy's guess for what the next island is gonna be ?
🤔

[kindred patio]

The giant island elbaf or something

[kindred patio]

I think you could be right as Oda says he wants to rap up the series but the straw hats still have to go to Elbaf, Raise Noah, Take down the World Govt. and Em, Black Beard, and oh yeah meet the whale balloon at reverse mountain, so this would speed things up greatly.

[gilded granite]

i think were getting a mini arc at sphinx for the crew to recover

learn more about white beard etc plus itd be good for luffy to see aces grave

[ripe geyser]

Sphinx? Is that an island adjacent to Wano?

[chilly swan]

imagine if the one piece is actually just a poneglyph version of "one piece" manga and what we've been reading is just a visualized version of laugh tale

[gilded granite]

its the island white beard was born and where marco was when he was recruited for the raid

[scenic thicket]

shanks let ace die so that luffy could awaken his fruit. that’s why he had that monologue

[strange shell]

Theory. Zoro will give back Enma. Using there father's swords Oden's kids will execute Orochi after a fair trial. He's not being killed or hunted. He is being treated fairly.

Zoro gets the sword back later...

[pure raven]

Nah I think a scabbard might just off orochi

They have showed that they do not like him at all

[woeful forge]

could it be that the rio poneglyph is the one in wano that law was with?

[jolly haven]

ah, okay
thanks

[echo plank]

Not my theory, but it shows a mythological viewpoint on how Zoro can get a powerup in order to get up and kill Kaido.

[waxen maple]

Question
How did they know it was the sun God fruit and not just another random fruit
As far as I know there's no real way to find out what fruit does what until eaten

[tender forum]

it is inferred that there is a database for devil fruit

[warm edge]

There is a complete book about devil fruit, it is not 100% but that's what bb used to identify the yami yami no mi, and that's a fruit they sought after for 800 years lol

[pure raven]

next island elbaf confirmed?

[warm edge]

nope

[pure raven]

giants should still pose a challenge and it will be more of an arc to calm down before the storm. Maybe even the last poneglyph is on there on shanks territory

[slender fulcrum]

Being an Emperor is not just " beating an emperor ", it's having a fleet, it's having territories.
Law does not have a fleet
Kidd does not have a fleet

They don't have any territories. They'll have to go to the territories of BM and Kaido and conquers them to become " Emperor "

And with BB on the move, the turf of Kaido and BM will probably be stolen by his fleet.

There won't be any other emperor beside the four we know, and the " rogue one " who is Luffy.

In the end, I think the era of the Emperors is over. There is just BB and Shanks, and those two will clash soon and BB will probably claim the title of PK before reaching laugh tale because he will sweep all of their territories under his rule and will be the only Emperor of the sea. Which will make the WG answer fast and hard to try to remove him from the surface of the seas

[visual merlin]

Realistically if Kid or Law chose to take some of the territory freed up by big mom and kaido going down they'd get plenty, BB can't take all of it and he's busy with something else currently it seems

but yea they won't be yonko right after the wano arc is over or anything

and the fleet thing is an issue as well

[slender fulcrum]

Reallistically, a nascent supernova cant compete with BB crew and men atm. Only Luffy can.

[visual merlin]

BB can't be everywhere at once

he can get some territory, but he's not gonna claim everything at once

[harsh niche]

my man sanji got snubbed again

[halcyon tusk]

what do yu mean by that..?

[slender fulcrum]

he got the time though, until a credible opponent rise

[visual merlin]

this channel is for serious theories

[sharp relic]

Ok

[pure raven]

Nah I think that was stated to be smth else

[autumn mulch]

I think iirc the Rio is the combination of all the Ponegliphs

[glossy hill]

Aestheticaly the beast pirates joining Kid makes the most sense.

[timid steppe]

yea, i agree. Its most likely Luffy beign call by the same nickname that Roger was than yonkou, cuz he dont wanna be an emperor and prolly he just would be call if Big Mom dont fall now, so remaining 4 emperor. But its unlikely, the yonkou system has to end now along with warlord system

[visual merlin]

he could probably take some of them, but it wouldn't be the majority of them and its not guaranteed oda will have it go that way unfortunately

[tender forum]

nah, gifters are gonna stay on Wano defending it before the border is opened, atoning for their sins

[late pier]

The fruits look different and have different characteristics, and are each unique. Once one person eats one, and identifies it. They can then know what it will look like when it returns.

Some fruits have been identified, and this information is passed down. Some have not.

[modest skiff]

@late pier and @tender forum both of these conversations are a better fit for #manga . If you'd like to have an in depth discussion regarding Sanji's development without it being a power scaling conversation, feel free to do so in #manga-serious though.

@late pier feel free to re-post that reply on #manga-serious since its a good topic for over there, but I'd appreciate it if you could remove it here. The future of the yonko "system" is a great topic

[dapper mountain]

have a question, when big mom and kiado first clashed on onigashima why was her sword napoleon eyes where spiral ? ep 952 and 23:03

[modest skiff]

Do you have any ideas? Some things that people have brought up is that the eyes may be a sign of multiple wills within someone. Here is what I have written on the topic: #manga-theories message

@timid steppe please continue the yonkou conversation in #manga-serious

[warm edge]

still haven't watched that marshall d preach theory KEKW
I'm typical toph fan if ya all remember

[waxen maple]

Return? So when a devil fruit user dies the power of the fruit is reborn in another fruit
Because as far as j know there's only one of each power

[modest skiff]

Please don't use this channel for casual chit chat. Feel free to do so on #manga though

[waxen maple]

Awe alr alr I was just tryna joke around but I get jt
I won't do jt anymore don't worry

[modest skiff]

Thank you

[pure raven]

Yes.. Just like ace fruit was also reincarnated... But idk how bb took WB's Df.. Maybe he took it from him body before it reincarnate.. bB is always been a mystery

[waxen maple]

Damn I didn't know that
I wonder if that means brook can die somehow
I mean a never before eaten fruit would be pretty rare, j mean for him to be the only user and all

[primal cargo]

It was never said that Brook is immortal. Actually in the chapter where he explains his ability he talks about reaching the end of his "second life"

[stable heart]

can someone explain to me the usopp dying theory

[rare nimbus]

he says he wants to like die proudly knowing he is a brave warrior of the sea, and he talks about it like its going to happen and usually these little stories he tells come true. also Oda is ok with killing character if they feel fulfilled with their death if they are happy with what they have gotten before death. Usopp is brave so what villain could he fight that would prove he is brave? What else could he do? Dressrosa proved he is brave so the final thing for his to show is to come to terms with death which is something he has established he is very afraid of which he can come to terms with by dying. (I don't believe this theory at all since Usopp is my favorite character and it would be so stupid but that's the theory)

[stable heart]

i’ve also heard oda said one of the strawhats would die? is this true?

[rare nimbus]

no? i mean its a myth throughout the community a rumor spread about it and a lot of people think he said it now I dont know where people got this from though

[stable heart]

ah, okay thank you for clearing that up for me

[modest skiff]

Purely made up

[stiff scroll]

his real form might be the ghost(soul) state. it would go along with the soul king title . with the ability to posses bodies/objects like a homie.

[tiny ocean]

I think it could be true. But I don't think Usopp would change as a character THAT much even towards the end of the series, that his death wouldn't be too tragic for the readers. Most of the time usopp isn't ready to die like zoro or sanji and it would make his death even more shocking and sad. Oda made even the losing of their first ship so sentimental and he would have to top that if a main character died. Its just hard to imagine he would choose this path unless OP makes a dark turn.

[broken ivy]

What if last OP arc is yonko vs strawhats? I mean, Luffy vs BB, Zoro vs Kaido, Sanji vs BM, we could see all of grand fleet vs subordinates of yonkos and each of SH vs main guys of BB crew?

[mental pike]

Maybe, but the world government needs to at least be addressed

[visual merlin]

Yea unfortunately that's not happening and there's dozens of reasons why it won't, but that dicussion is probably better off in a different channel

[fathom matrix]

Plus, Kaido and BM are done now and we've seene everything they can do

Wano is meant to represent the new generation taking down the old @broken ivy

Having them come back for round 2 wouldn't make sense (plus sanji doesn't hit girls, so why would he fight BM?) and if they did come back, after losing so much, it'd be character assassination and them being sore losers

[pure raven]

Nah kaido and bm are down and I don’t see what they achieve by returning them

[echo jetty]

I would disagre, how would oden that is significantly weaker than kaido be able to last 1 hour in burning hot lava? But kaido and big mom two of the strongest people in the series get killed by lava?

[pure raven]

Oden took way less damage then either of the two and how would they even leave. Also the fact they are encased in liquid

[echo jetty]

I mean i get what you mean but also why would he kill off two yonkos like that?

Theyre most likely gon get up (except for big mom i hope)

[opal thunder]

luffy pulled out that black 1’s what do we know its black & white

[pure raven]

I think bm is just a throw away ngl she’s had the least importance of any yonko kaido is valid tho

[echo jetty]

yeah.

big mom was cool in whole cake island but really in wano it was unneeded she shoulda stayed in her arc tbh i really hate her and her devil fruit was wasted potential

[pure raven]

Nah I think she needed to be in wano but the execution was kinda wack

[sand sail]

Guys, this would be much better for #manga-serious

[pure raven]

Oh my bad sorry what is the exact difference between the two I still don’t fully grasp it?

[sand sail]

This channel is more for long form theories and their discussion, those big ol' essays you may see passing by. #manga-serious is more a meme/joke/powerscaling/shipping-free channel where you can discuss the series in depth, but don't necessarily have a long theory you've crafted to do so, it's a bit more casual than this channel

Much less slowmode because of that

[echo jetty]

My bad

[sand sail]

Its all good, channel is still new so everyone is still adjusting

[lunar shell]

What if the wg is making those bridges cuz the water between Grandline can be drained, or pushed away -Moses style- ?

Oda having the wg making those bridge isn’t something to take lightly imo, those bridges must link to some truth.

[obsidian bobcat]

Is there any development here of the theory about Kaido and Big Mom having fallen into pyrobloin lava underground in Wano ?

[ancient ibex]

i think zoro will be confirmed dead next chapter and chopper has to discover hiriluk panacea in wano to revive him

[lunar shell]

Oh I feel when Luffy will die his will will actually dont just travel space but time as well.

That’s how people from the past know.

[sand sail]

@pure raven Would you mind making it not completely bold?

[pure raven]

Done

it hurt my eyes to read tbh

[haughty shale]

i feel like reading a villain's true plan with the bold paragraph

[shadow flume]

It hurt my eyes

[pure raven]

nico robin as a traitor would be cringe plus she'd get one shotted if she was one

This theory is made up from another theory called "traitor among strawhats"

My theory
If you watched one piece correctly you know that luffy went to everyone's place example -

nami from her village saving her from arlong she cant be a traitor at any cost

franky from water 7 he knows the diagram of the ancient weapon + he wont betray strawhats because strawhats saved his rival/partner from dying so he kinda owes to them

chopper from his snowy area he cant betray strawhats because he has no where to go else he was bullied by his own species and called monster by humans + luffy helped him realise he is not a monster + he can get friends too no chance of him betraying strawhats

sanji from the restaurant he cant betray strawhats because he tried protecting luffy in whole cake island arc without luffy knowing that he is helping them + like he said to his biological father that if i beat the shit out of you guys my father(red foot zeff) will be dissapointed so if he betrays strawhats he will be dissapointed again so no chance for sanji betraying strawhats too

brook from his ship and he has laboon too so he cant be a traitor

zoro on his own island but u know there is a place where zoro was borned and seen in anime many times and everyone knows how much loyal he is too luffy he made sanji faint so he can take all the pain from luffy in thriller bark arc im 1 billion percent sure he isnt a traitor

and you also know he went to jimbei's place too + jimbey saved him from akainu and he helped strawhats in many ways + he is loyal too

and usopp too from his island he was called liar and not a brave guy and luffy helped ussop become a brave guy(almost) + he didnt called him liar and became friends with him so he cant be a traitor too

so in the end we have nico robing left who was totally unknown and came to strawhats out of nowhere maybe nico robin knew about luffy's fruit and made strawhats think she was helping them and nico robin has no place where she was came from + luffy never approached her like others strawhats were approached by her kinda making her sus afterall this is just a theory by me i think you will like it maybe

ADDITIONAL PART
Shanks and robin are working together because robin can read poneglyphs and she knows so much and shanks sent robin to check on strawhats and she gives her information time to time about strawhats

My response to my own theory
I dont actually want this to be true because for luffy to become king of pirates he must get to the laugh tale and have someone to read the poneglyphs and only robin can read them + luffy will be hurt so much if robin betrays them anyways this is just a theory and much likely to be false

[copper frost]

robin got her home destroyed by the government though and the only real home she has is with the strawhats, i dont see anything correlation to whether or not a person has a home where luffy saved the respective crew members or whether the crewmates have some remnants of people who love them before them joining the crew. This "theory" is riddled with holes and conjecture that took some wild leaps in reaching conclusions

[stark path]

Been thinking about this, but I'm slowly starting to believe that Aokiji is a member of RA. I do not exclude the possibility of him being head of sword but there are evidence of him lining up with RA. Aokiji at PH while having a conversation with Smoker said that there are things that he can see and do which he couldnt at Marines before, that he's stll himself. Also dont you find it weird how there was no large scale battle between BB pirates and RA once Burgess leaked their location? Either RA intercepted Burgess's call to Laffite or someone from within BB pirates warned them ahead of time which resulted in no battles,casualties etc. That someone might be Aokiji who warned Dragon, but you might think why would a RA member ally himself with BB? Answer might lie in Straw Hats. In order to become pirate king Luffy will have to take down BB and information will be key in that battle, also BB might possess something that RA would benefit from

[rotund sand]

Maybe the ONEPIECE IS LUFFY himself and may be at laughtale there's actually Luffy's naked statue of showing his family's jewels (d family) as foreshadowed in lily arc it would make a lot sense why Roger and his crew laughed so hard!
In last chapter 'Finale' of Skypiea Luffy did say he wanted a bronze statue of himself and the logo of Onepiece also has Luffy as 'I'.. It seems so Oda thing to do...all this time ONEPIECE was in front of our eyes!!

[primal cargo]

I like Marshall D Preach but this one isn't his best work.
When the One Piece is found, the world will be turned upside down how exactly ?
The Roger Pirates were too early for what exactly ?
What does any of this have to do with the blank history, the Ancient Weapons etc ?
Not to mention the obvious time paradox and lameness of it

[wooden otter]

Genuinely think IF the navy do attack in the coming chapters there's no way the strawhats could defend that so even tho yes he's beat im 99% sure that kaido will sacrifice himself to let them escape, basic theory but pretty certain but then again oda does what oda does, also maybe before the even conclude wano entirely they might actually go back to finish the reverie and show us what happened to vivi sabo warlords and what blackbeard is doing

[nimble zodiac]

I think that one piece is material information about all the events in the void century from the face of Joyboy and what is stored on Mary Geoise, and also with whom 20 kingdoms fought 900 years ago (I think these are Lunarians)

[grand veldt]

Dude what nico robin was gonna let her self get killed on Alabasta but luffy saved her and that’s why she came to us cause she had no where else to go. We have no traitors

[jolly haven]

Yall know the infinite life operation of ope ope no mi, right?
What if rocks d xebec had the fruit, used this operation on kaido, that's why xebec died?
idk how this operation works, how infinite life is defined here

[grand veldt]

Yeah i doubt kaido has immortality. Ope ope fruit is a strong fruit and all but it’s not a destructive one like whitebeard fruit . I think a hyped character like xebec is gonna have a fruit that is prob gonna be a destructive one . Maybe it’s the fruit Blackbeard stole from thatch

[pure raven]

No.

[steady prism]

Just some quick counterpoints:

• Luffy hasn't been to Zoro or Sanji's "home island". He's found them after they've grown up and found a place they belong in I guess (Zoro less so)
• Franky was born in South blue (island name unknown); he wasn't born in Water 7. So Luffy hasn't been to Franky's "home island" either
• similarly, Brook isn't a good example to the point that "Luffy has been to everyone's home island"

Your other point about Luffy's actions make certain SH members indebted to him is actually a HUGE point in favor of Nico Robin NOT being a traitor. He literally saved her from Eines lobby and showed her that her life matters. He's made the WG an enemy because of it.

The idea that Nico Robin and Shanks might be working together is really interesting. But using the ideas that "Luffy has been to everyone else's home island" or "Luffy has 'saved' SH members in some way" aren't exactly helping that argument from my POV imho.

[pure raven]

Damn good counterpoints 👍🏿

Anyways niku rob em

[steady prism]

This discussion on immortality and dfs was very interesting and made me really think about how any form of immortality could work in the world of OP. It took me some time to figure things out but here are my thoughts on it (pinging @polar wharf as well since they were a part of the convo).

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The way I see it, there is the natural cycle of life in the OP world. People live and die based on some pre-ordained fate. Obviously that's unknown to the individual and thus have free will to live their lives. There are a few dfs that give the user some level of control on the element of their fate that is related to their death. Specifically, they are viewed to be able to "cheat" death in some way.

• Sugar is quite literally forever young, and that (to me) means she won’t be affected by old-age related illnesses/concerns. As a result, she has completely cheated fate because she can live well beyond her original lifespan limits. While that means she’s "effectively" immortal, it doesn’t mean she’s immune to physical attacks and/or dying from sustained injuries. This is why she was constantly being protected by Trebol.

An interesting side-note is her current state is one that I believe a regular person could obtain if an Ope-Ope no mi user willingly performs the “perpetual youth surgery” on them. Doffy wanted to be forever young, just like Sugar. I believe that's why Oda showed us Sugar, a 22 year old person in a child form (because that's when she ate her df), to give us an idea of what it means to get the "perpetual youth surgery". This in turn makes me wonder what the national treasure truly is to make Doffy desire this surgery that much.

• Big Mom doesn't have true immortality imo because she continually needs to take lifespan from other living beings in the world. She can get lifespan either from willing citizens of Totto land or by force from her enemies that fear her. She cheats death by continually getting an “extension”. I view her as though she’s still bound by fate and will die one day. is not immortal. Rather, she can manipulate other living beings' lifespans. She can take lifespan either from willing citizens of Totto land (and create more Homies) or forcefully from her enemies that fear her. She doesn't cheat death but can manipulate other people's fate. She does not absorb any lifespan. For that reason, I view her as though she’s still bound by fate.

• Brook's immortality is quite peculiar. His df does give him a "second chance" at life and thus cheating fate and the need of lifespan. However, unlike Sugar, he incurs a cost at which he becomes a skeleton in his second life, which is kind of a drawback but Brook found a way to live among the living regardless. His second life not only makes him immune from old-age related illnesses/concerns, but it also makes him immune to human-related concerns (hunger, freezing temperatures, etc). He has cheated death much more than those with "perpetual youth" imho.

His df reminds me a lot of liches, who are necromancers that perform a ceremony to become a corpse/lich whilst retaining their previous knowledge and skillset. Their souls are 'placed' in a magical "thing/core" to be kept safe. In other words, their bodies can be damaged as much as they want, but won't die as long as their "core" is kept safe. For this reason, Brook can sustain injuries and won't be life-threatening unless someone strikes at his "core", wherever that may be. Btw this is all pure speculation but Oda does seem to have taken inspiration of liches in the way he designed Brook as well as japanese folklore (Hitodama) for his soul abilities.

• Marco is imo the most misunderstood out of this bunch. Perhaps the best way to view it is that the Phoenix is a very natural being that is very closely tied to nature. As a result, it doesn't seek to "cheat" death in any way. Rather, it does have healing properties but engages in the cycle of life and death through ash and rebirth. Since the phoenix models death and renewal, Marco cannot avoid his inevitable fate and will die when he's supposed to die. Just like Sugar, I don't believe Marco will be affected by old-age diseases/concerns. However, unlike Sugar, Marco is mostly immune to physical attacks due to his regeneration abilities. Regardless, even though Marco's he will die when it is his time to die, which is out of his control.

With that being said, I guess what I'm implying is that a Zoan df affects the user’s lifespan. This is why assuming Marco doesn't get a life-threatening injury, I belive he'd live a very long life, much longer than other humans. Through that, I personally view Marco’s healing abilities like the Chiyu-Chiyu no mi: one that heals the body and does not restore lifespan. Through this explanation, I do believe that even mythological zoans existed once upon a time a long long time ago.

• Enel and all logia df users can have some sort of self-preservation behavior (e.g. Enel restarting his heart), but I don't think this means he's truly immortal. With all of what we've learned about haki and the fact that Ace (a fire logia user) died, it's clear that logias aren't immortal in any way. They can never truly cheat their fate.

Just FYI, I'm framing these different kinds of immortality as "fate" related because I do think that this fits a lot of existing mythology where the idea of fate plays a large role on a mortal's existence in the world. My own headcannon wonders if by "cheating fate", you incur negative karma in some way. In other words, recipients of "perpetual youth" or Brook are incurring a much larger cost by staying in their forms. Obviously, Marco isn't incurring any cost because he's not cheating fate at all, yet he's more closer to immortality than Sugar. This is important to consider because anyone that has "perpetual youth" is very much immortal as long as they're safe from any outside attacks, which is kind of a broken power-up that needs to be "balanced" in some way. Given the Buddhist inspirations we see in OP, I reckon that an individual that has cheated fate is incurring some negative karma that will manifest either once this person dies or their luck gets worse and worse the longer they live like that. Anyway this is kind of unrelated to the main discussion of dfs and immortality.

That's pretty much it. Through this analysis, I believe that none of the dfs we've seen give their user true immortality; everybody can die someday.

[kindred patio]

Do you think luffys bounty is going to be higher than gold d rodger as now it is comfirmed the Luffy has acess to Sun God nika but also is the strongest yonko or even above yonko level like rodger and I think the fiver elder stars can put together that he is joy boy and will take down the world government

[modest skiff]

@kindred patio please feel free to post that in #manga , but we prefer not to have bounty discussions outside of that channel

Bounty discussion is a common topic over there

[pure raven]

yoyoyo so in 1050 kaido and big mom are in lava being boiled like oden to death? but i had another theory, if kaido and big mom do die in the magma what if oda is showing us the power of magma itself because dont we know a hawaiian shirt wearing fleet admiral named akainu that has the same power. i think just showing us the raw destructive capabilities of the magma itself is great forshadowing into the power that luffy is going to go up against someday. almost like showing us luffy still has room to improve.

[late pier]

Oden wasn't in lava, he was in a boiling pot. Not even close to the same as burning hot lava.

Furthermore, Kaido and Big Mom were under the planet's crust, meaning they weren't in burning hot lava but burning hot Magma which is actually HOTTER than lava as lava is cooled by the air on the surface.

[pure raven]

but wouldnt akainu be able to use magma

[sand sail]

This is a conversation better suited for #manga-serious

[fervent hollow]

what you guys think laws gonna do after wano? go off on his own until final war? continue the alliance and follow luffy w his own crew?

[timid bolt]

My theory on BM and Kaido is, BM will grab life-force from Kaido to either save herself OR throw a soul in the volcano.

[modest skiff]

@fervent hollow and @timid bolt both of those topics are a good fit for #manga-serious but we try to keep this channel exclusively for long theory like what Bec wrote above

[fervent hollow]

ah okay got it, my mistake

[primal cargo]

I would disagree with all of these actually.
I think everything points out to lifespan being an absolute limitation for people in the One Piece world. That was shown with Big Mom's power and "soul". When her power is explained, the words "soul" and "lifespan" are used to describe the same thing. Basically, every person (/living being?) has a certain amount of soul in them, and when you run out of it, you die.
In the case of Brook, he says himself in the very chapter that his power is introduced, that his second life will have an end. This leads me to conclude that the Yomi-Yomi fruit gave him a second "full amount" of lifespan.
So similarly I would say that Sugar will eventually die of "old age", not because of age-related diseases but simply from "running out of lifespan".
Same for logias. It is completely undeniable that logia users keep a "human body" as far as bodily functions are concerned. They age as normal, without a doubt.
As for Big Mom, she can't add others' lifespan to her own.

[rigid dust]

this is not my theory i heard this in the new Tekking101 video so all credits to him:
what if hiyori becomes the shogun but momo becomes the emporer
because the emporer was more of a symbollic godly figure in edo japan soin that case since you know hwo the kozuki are itd make some sense

[modest skiff]

@smoky lagoon "who joins" discussion goes in #manga please.

@white stone this channel is intended for long form theories rather than small chat predictions like betrayals as you described. Please post those sorts of things in #manga instead

[quiet lodge]

emperor ?

[rigid dust]

emporer of wano its an actual thing

[quiet lodge]

no i wanted to ask if emporer and emperor were the same thing or smthng else

[rigid dust]

this is discord who cares

[modest skiff]

It’s possible English is not their first language and they were clarifying if it was a typo or a different meaning

[steady prism]

Okay so taking each points one-by-one:

1. Big Mom: Looking back at how Pound phrased BM's abilities (Ch 835), I do agree and concede that BM does not absorb souls to increase her lifespan. I'll fix that.

2. Brook: Looking back at Brook's introduction (Ch 443), he does indeed say "...before my second life ends". However, he's just saying that because he want to get his shadow back from Ryuma by any means necessary so he can see Laboon.

I disagree with the idea that his second life is a "full amount". What does a full amount mean? He died at 38 and is 88 at the time of Thriller Bark, which means he's already lived more than twice as long as his first life. Does it mean his original "lifespan amount" he got at birth is reset at his second life? I don't know. All we know is that Brook will stay alive in his second life until he suffers from a second death. Based on my interpretation of "perpetual youth", my belief is Brook's second life operates very similarly to it such that only a fatal injury will kill him.

3. Sugar: We're gonna have to agree to disagree here. I acknowledge the fact you brought up on lifespan and souls is true, but it doesn't make sense that Doffy would want "perpetual youth" so that he'd remain young until his lifespan runs out. Why would something like that be considered necessary in Doffy's mind in order to use the national treasure? I believe it's more than that but I recognize we don't have a lot of info on what it means to get "perpetual youth". For those reasons, we'll agree to disagree.

4. Logias: We're in agreement. I never claimed otherwise. They live and die.

Seems like we're in agreement on Marco too unless I missed something.

[modest skiff]

I came away from TB with a pretty firm impression that Brooke would not die by natural means. He kinda fell through a loop hole by no longer having a body that ages. It’s not clear what would kill Brook since he can leave his body as a spirit

[steady prism]

Agreed. Also I think it's fair to say Brook is a skeleton now not purely because of his df, but rather because of the time he took to come back to his body. In that same chapter, he says that when his soul came back from the underworld, he was searching for his body for a year. So, if he found it sooner, he could have looked like a corpse or at least more human-like than he does right now.

[primal cargo]

On Brook :
I would lean towards the idea that you're born with say 140 years' worth of lifespan, and that Brook got 140 free years of life ? But it doesn't have to be the case. Actually I don't think Oda thought about it this far. What I want to insist on is the notion that there is an end to it. What else could Brook mean by that line ? He's stuck on his ship with no reason to believe he'll ever get out of the Florian triangle. What could possibly threaten to kill him ?
I don't have anything to add on Marco, I like your thing.
On Sugar I don't see the connection between her and the immortality surgery, outside of your theory on Doffy's motivations ? I do agree that the immortality surgery is a hole in my model, but it could very well just be an exception.

[primal cargo]

Maybe look at it this way. What does it look like if you use the Yomi-Yomi fruit the normal way ? You die, your soul leaves and then comes back shortly after. You're back in your body and not a skeleton.
I think in that scenario it would be very natural that the user just resumes living their life as normal. As if they hadn't suffered a death.
Which would mean Brook came back with his remaining 110 (?) years of life left

Well it would make the fruit useless if you die of old age I guess, so I'm not sure

[steady prism]

On Brook:

• I agree that perhaps that is the case. Maybe lifespan is finite and Brook got a second life with a full stash of lifespan.
• My understanding of his line where he said "before my second life ends" means he's going to get his shadow back from Ryuma or die trying. Obviously he was weaker than Ryuma at the time of Thriller Bark. That's what Brook meant.
• Lol, yeah if Brook came back to his body as soon as he first died, he'd probably end up look like Frankenstein/jiangshi with injuries he'd have to continually sew up.

On Sugar:

• I mean my impression of the notion of "perpetual youth surgery" is to make the recipient stay young. Sugar has achieved an identical feat through a side-effect of her df.

[fathom matrix]

It's hard to say really

The average human lifespan is 80 years and super humans live over 100

Brook might die at 118 if it's the average lifespan, like a type of energy of expirey of renmant or something. Because he's controlling his old skeleton body, but he's mostly a soul.

However, due to his skeleton biology, it might have bent some rules and hell, he might be immortal

[primal cargo]

From what we've seen of Brook's "extended" powers post-TS, it seems his power is, more than a revive, the ability to freely control his soul.
Then the revive is retroactively explained by "he can move his soul back to his body if he wants".
Meaning if you're out of soul, your power won't save you.

[modest skiff]

Yes, that’s my impression as well. He has the ability to “live” without his body, so the question becomes how you kill a soul

[primal cargo]

Imagine Brook gets Soul Pocus'd for his entire soul. I think he just dies ?

[steady prism]

And that's precisely why I tried tying the ideas of a lich to Brook's soul's freedom of movement; he's safe as long as his 'core' isn't destroyed

[fathom matrix]

well, Big Mom might be able to shave off some lifespan or possibly destroy it. Some devil fruits can counter one another, so BM's Soul Soul powers can be a counter, like how Brook's are a slight counter to her's

[steady prism]

If BM desires it and Brook can show "emotions" and thus show fear in front of her, then yeah, he'd die if she wills it. How much lifespan would BM have to 'play with' from his soul? It's a good question, I don't know. Maybe 38 years' worth? But that wouldn't explain his immense soul strength.....ugh idk

[primal cargo]

So basically we only disagree on whether Brook is expending soul/lifespan by living, like a normal living human does, or not

[steady prism]

Yep, exactly. Also we're disagreeing on what it means to have "perpetual youth" which again, hard to agree one way or another with the limited info we have

[modest skiff]

Now I get where this was coming from. I think if BM stealing soul consumes life span, we can conclude you can die from insufficient soul. This question would be more directly answered if we saw whether or not someone ages from having their soul taken. If BM turned someone old from taking their soul, that would mean it’s mainly the body and it would mean brook will live indefinitely. But right now I think we have reason to assume soul is consumed by existing

[fathom matrix]

Unless brook's lifespan is specifically brought up in an SBS or data book, we'll never know

I hope it's brought up in an SBS

[modest skiff]

The implication from this is that Brook’s fruit is only useful if you die from something physical rather than soul expiring.

[primal cargo]

Right. I think Sugar's and the surgery must be different simply because it would diminish the importance of the surgery (despite Doffy making a huge deal out of it) if a regular fruit can do the same. Though it's nothing particularly solid. Maybe he would have eaten the Hobi-Hobi fruit if he didn't have one already ? It just doesn't feel to me like perpetual youth was the end of it for him ; rather, he wanted to have it for a certain purpose, related to the treasure of Mariejoie

[fathom matrix]

true, but hey. You get to live a full life, then live again, and you get soul powers

[polar wharf]

@steady prism thing is I agree mostly with what you said and thanks for the ping ( yes I read everything )

allow me to explain about my point on logia’s

What I meant by logia’s that there are some elements that have a really long live span if we’re looking at this from a chemical perspective, as well as a medical perspective, you see we as humans have discovered that once a person dies their body electricity fades with them and enel effectively is made of electricity and in theory he could recharge his body electricity any time and infact he did when he restarted his heart, earlier in my days as I was studying I learned that rubber’s lifespan is a 1000 years and I looked at luffy and was really wondering about it and that’s how this whole thought came to mind but then we learn it’s a zoan which halted that process. Before that however we learned that luffy never got sick and from medical perspective this made sense if his blood cells are also rubber or elastic then they can’t really get sick and his lungs could also expand and he can’t really have a short breath

As for Brooke and yes I am reading the convo’s as I am typing this, we find in fishman island from him that he discovered that he cannot die no matter what, which made me wonder even more

As for Marco, yes I do believe he could be killed but if doesn’t get damaged strong enough then I highly doubt it

As for big mom well like you said she needs to have people fear her a lot I guess

As for sugar I agree with everything

As for the perpetual youth surgery with the ope ope no me yeah that really makes you wonder.

But one that isn’t talked about is Bonny and what happens to anyone she changed the age of

[primal cargo]

Pedro didn't look particularly old, and he was allegedly near the end of his lifespan. So that seems to support the idea that body aging and soul depletion are two separate processes that normally happen simultaneously but don't have to.
Though I'm still rooting for BM aging herself or Kaido into irrelevance

[modest skiff]

One thing this also implies is that black blades are not purely using soul as a form of will. If black blades just had souls, we’d assumed they’d lose that eventually, but we see Black Blades last longer than a human lifespan

[polar wharf]

About Pedro

Yeah he was near his lifespan but Pedro effectively died an unnatural death which makes you wonder even more

[steady prism]

While I agree somewhat I think the soul is used to describe more than just lifespan...is a "strong soul" simply defined by the owner's lifespan?

[steady prism]

That's the problem. He ate his df when he was a kid. So he had zero chance of eating the Hobi-Hobi no mi

[polar wharf]

Yeah fam we can’t really google how long does a soul last without entering the fbi watchlist anyways I do believe that souls expires if Brook begins to feel dead inside then he might just die but if he’s upbeat and happy all the time than I guess one could say that that’s good for his soul and since he’s the most cheerful guy we know I really doubt he’d die of souls expiring

[primal cargo]

I say soul has a certain "strength" and can be held in a certain "amount", with those two quantities being different things

[modest skiff]

I think it’s tied to the same basic core process as haki. When BM resists Law’s fruit, we are told it’s a haki thing. I imagine strength of a soul is a measure of haki strength or perhaps something which determines haki strength

[primal cargo]

we find in fishman island from him that he discovered that he cannot die no matter what
Really ? When was that ?

[polar wharf]

This is why I believe that Brook will either not have haki or the strongest type of haki out there

[modest skiff]

This is what I remember as well but I have no idea where it’s mentioned

[polar wharf]

When he gets his head decapitated lemme find the panel rq

@primal cargo @modest skiff official translations

So yeah as long as Brook’s soul is alive he cannot die I guess and I guess music helps him stay alive

[steady prism]

Lol, appreciate the detailed response.

It depends on the conditions of that element though, right? A fire won't persist if it doesn't have oxygen and/or some sort of fuel. Similarly, rubber won't last 1000 years if it's stretched to its limits (G2, G3, and G5) and/or put on fire (e.g. Red Roc). I can somewhat concede that maybe logias get an increase in lifespan due to their df's elemental properties but we'll have to wait and see if we can find a logia user that has lived for a long time...that or if Vegapunk would show himself and give us an info dump.

I'd argue that due to Luffy being a Zoan, his regenerative properties explain why he heals faster than usual, which includes him not getting sick. But I see where you're coming from if his df was truly a gomu-gomu no mi.

As for Brooke and yes I am reading the convo’s as I am typing this, we find in fishman island from him that he discovered that he cannot die no matter what, which made me wonder even more
Oh I see the panel. Yeah this further cements in my mind that Brook's skeleton operates like a lich: with extreme freedom as long as his 'core' isn't destroyed.

With Bonny I'd argue (with very little evidence) that she can modify the "cosmetics" behind someone's age, but she cannot modify that person's lifespan. In other words, she can turn people into kids, but they're adults mentally. This includes her own changes to herself. In my head, this is the best explanation that fits without needing her to have story-breaking powers lol.

Again, I am a fan of 'balance' in these df's powers and will do my best to limit the number of them that have broken abilities. So maybe I'm being conservative with some of my descriptions

[primal cargo]

I think this works with what we've said. His soul is the important part, he just keeps it in his body most of the time
From the Big Mom interaction we can assess that this "soul" is the same that is used by BM as "lifespan"
The question remains, does he expend his soul as he lives his second life, or is it stuck at the amount it was at when he died ?

[polar wharf]

Yeah as much as I love the “balance” remember the guy with the book book fruit and what big mom said about the monsters that live inside of them yeah that shit was thrown out of the window, also to be fair akainu did destroy aces lungs

[modest skiff]

I’d say we simply don’t have sufficient info to know if Brook will die or not in some set amount of time

[polar wharf]

I think he expands it with music like he stated I guess

[modest skiff]

He’s not saying he’s expanding it. He just says he draws others into it

[steady prism]

I can kind of see what you and @modest skiff are trying to say. Ultimately a "soul" is both a measure of one's "strength(/haki?)" along with lifespan. It's a good enough description for now.

Tbh, I'm kind of struggling with the idea that one's soul is losing "potency" over time as the user ages....but it's the best explanation we got right now given what we've learned in WCI

[modest skiff]

Yeah, I’m comfortable just labeling this “unknown” for now because we just don’t have enough info

[polar wharf]

Let me just find that book book fruit comment by big mom real quick

[steady prism]

the volatile-ness of haki kind of makes me wonder if we're forcing the soul to be a "static" thing? Ugh, so many questions...

[primal cargo]

I mean the line from Thriller Bark makes me say he will, but I concede that it's not perfectly clear. Especially since Oda might have changed his mind as he refined the idea of this power

[polar wharf]

@steady prism @primal cargo @modest skiff yeah this just makes things more confusing

[primal cargo]

Maybe it's like a time capsule ? Like you're frozen in time while the book is closed ?

[polar wharf]

So in the one piece world there are things that are labeled “ageless” and things labeled “immortal”

[polar wharf]

Yeah that makes things extra confusing as well

[steady prism]

Yep, super confusing. This reminds me a lot of Giolla's "art pieces" from Dressrosa

Here's a potential explanation: Perhaps this is a temporary localized implementation of the "perpetual youth" effect on the inhabitants in this book. However, this doesn't mean that the df user doesn't age, which means once he dies, everything in that book will end up being free.

[polar wharf]

Makes me a wonder why didn’t doffy seek this power in the first place tbh, btw the book book fruit is really slept on, it makes things inside it ageless and it was the reason luffy lost to the army of 10k

It even allows the user to fly and make illusions

[steady prism]

Tbf, Doffy ate the string-string fruit as a kid. It's hard to take that back. Lol, I think he'd want the hobi-hobi instead of the book-book fruit.

[modest skiff]

My headcanon based on what we’ve seen so far:

Haki is a manifestation of someone’s will. People gain will through a variety of mechanisms, one of the major ones being overcoming pain through battles. When someone gains increased ability to exert will, they gain the ability to exert stronger intensity haki. Since Will is a direct component of someone’s soul, someone with stronger Haki will also have a stronger soul.

[steady prism]

It checks out. I mean there's the question of the level of impact haki/will/innateStrength has compared to lifespan, but I overall agree with this description.

Oda really doesn't make it easy to define these kind of things huh....

[primal cargo]

Will is a direct component of someone's soul ?

[modest skiff]

In addition, devil fruits exert their will on surroundings and reality through some as of yet unknown mechanism. This allows for what is essentially magic. But this magic can be overcome by the will of the object the fruit is attempting to manipulate. That’s how Kaido was immune to Room and why BM was only damaged by Law once his fruit awakened. My headcanon is that the will of a fruit is greatly suppressed prior to awakening and once a user is sufficiently strong, they can let the fruit’s will manifest without dying from it. I think the fruit knows when it is “safe” to fully express itself.

This could also be why people explode from 2 fruits. A single soul can’t absorb multiple wills, so the second one would just destroy the user

BB’s fruit is able to completely suppress the will of a devil fruit and deactivate it entirely. This is why he can use multiple fruits, so long as he never breaks focus on keeping them separated

[steady prism]

Apparently you can use lifespan to power up as well....Tamate Box anyone? I can't keep up lmao

[steady prism]

Do you think it's correct to suggest that this headcannon is reaching a point where it can be better explained through the VoAT? In other words, do you think at the end of the day, we have "will/haki" that is basically the molecules in this world, and "VoAT" is basically the atoms that are the building blocks that make up the OP world?

[primal cargo]

Little chance it ever goes this far I think xd

[modest skiff]

I don’t see what you mean by that, in my eyes VOAT is something entirely separate. I see VOAT as more of a sensing/communication thing

[steady prism]

It is super detailed/niche. But I think given that Imu can somehow see the "lights that must be extinguished" made me wonder if the VoAT is the fundamental driving force at play every time we talk about "wills" or "haki" or "souls"

[modest skiff]

I think lights being extinguished is just a way to say kill someone and it’s just that Imu has various methods of monitoring the world, such as receiving newspaper and ciphor pol

[steady prism]

I brought that up because my impression of BB is that he can effectively "silence the will voice of the df inside a df user, which you've describe as "suppress the will of the df". If he can exert his suppressing power on devil fruits, couldn't it also be said that he is essentially exerting his influence on a whole category of "voices"? That's where I'm trying to go with that description.

Also I think we're looking at VoAT a little differently. My impression is that every single living thing has a "voice" and VoAT encompasses the various manipulations of that voice. All of this has been described at a higher layer of abstraction as haki/dfs/etc.

I agree that Imu has a large network at her disposal. But my impression is that she is clairvoyant to a certain degree. This is why she can tell what "future problems" will come up and thus which ones need to be extinguished first

[modest skiff]

Not comfortable assuming clairvoyance quite yet

[steady prism]

That's fair.

All right that's all from me for today. It's been a great convo with everyone

[modest skiff]

Always a pleasure Bec

[severe ice]

Soul Pocus is an outstanding Power.

[visual merlin]

this channel is for serious theories and this sort of weird joke isn't very accepted anywhere in the server anyway

[somber sphinx]

So ok Haki only blooms in tough fights. Awakening only happens when your body is strong enough to accept the full power of your DF. HAKI is an intrinsic bodily function in one piece. So it's possible that to awaken a DF someone's HAKI HAS to be of a certain level and it differs fruit to fruit which is why no one has ever awaken the nika no mi. And how Luffy did it.

[sand sail]

This is more of a post for #manga-serious

[somber sphinx]

It's a theory

[sand sail]

It's not really in depth enough for a larger discussion here, it'd fit better in #manga-serious so we can talk about it more

[worldly owl]

If Yamato joins, my head cannon is that Luffy asks Sanji if there's enough food for one more person and Simpji will say of course. Yamato might say that since she's a samurai, she won't go hungry but Luffy will say that none of his friends will ever go hungry. Not on his friends island and especially not on his ship)

[sand sail]

This is also better for #manga-serious .

[worldly owl]

Oh okay

[dense verge]

How old was dragon during god valley?

[sand sail]

#manga-serious , not a question for here

[dense verge]

It was going to be related but nvm

[untold flicker]

Do you think it's possible brook can't have haki ?

[tranquil sleet]

he does i thought

[untold flicker]

He doesn't

[west saffron]

OK, Seriously, Momo's ability to communicate with zunesha is WAY too similar to shirahoshi's ability to command the sea kings in almost every way. Am i wrong?
Zunesha, a beast that can use the voice of all things, is commanded by an heir or sovereign from an important long-lasting royal family that connects back to the void century. (Kozuki clan, made the poneglyphs)
Sea kings, beasts that can use the voice of all things, is commanded by an heir or sovereign from an important long-lasting royal family that connects back to the void century. (Fishman lineage, poseidon got a letter on a poneglyph from joyboy)
My theory is that Momo is an ancient weapon, Would fit perfectly with Momo's comment about being extraordinarily important to the future after reading odens logbook.
Why would one island elephant worth of power be considered an ancient weapon compared to an entire ocean of sea kings? Remember, Zunesha is a species of elephant. We dont know if any more exist/existed, but they might have.

What ancient weapon? Obviosuly not Poseidon, pluton is supposedly a ship, so uranus? seems funky.

[west saffron]

if anything, brooks haki probably manifests itself as things like his soul powers, because his devil fruit literally interacts with the very essence of his being, which would include his haki.

[polar wharf]

Entirely possible, since haki runs out and it’s an extension of ones spirit I could really see him not having any, that or he has the strongest control and has an infinite supply

[pure raven]

How's this theory?
Garp is actually luffy's mom's father instead of dragon's father and dragon's father is actually rocks D xebec
As you can see garp looked exactly like luffy through out his life unlike dragon looks nothing like luffy and somehow his silhouette matches more with xebec's silhouette that we saw , also as for why dragon is called monkey D dragon that's cause there's a marriage practice where if the wife is of the higher standing sometimes the husband takes her family name and also cause dragon probably didn't wanted luffy to take on the xebec name so he chose to adopt his wife's last name so basically the kid Roger and garp saved back at God valley which is very probable is dragon this will fit the theme why Roger entrusted garp with his son and spoke that one line completely fits it all perfectly imo.
Cause we also never see garp explicitly mention dragon as his son.
It was more along the line of you are my child's child,Which can be his mom and we know how much oda loves wordplays,Why won't garp ever mention dragon by addresing him as his son?

[carmine sparrow]

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[carmine sparrow]

great theory imo

[placid bay]

Dragon not being Garps son has been theorized before and I find it a really nice theory since he looks so much different from luffy and garp. Now him being Xebec's son just because Xebec's silhouette maybe looks similar to dragon, I just don't see it personaly 😛

[fiery badger]

It is really not just that. Dragon luffy and rocks are the only guys who directly attack and go against the celestials. Woop slap has also made alot of suggestions to it

[placid bay]

The only ones we know so far. And Xebec has been portraid as ruthless and evil? which are pollar opposite from Luffy and Dragon AFAIK. Last I think it would make one piece more blund if Xebec was Luffy Grandfather and serves no real point as far as I can think. The theory sugesting Xebec being related to Teach, seems way more possible to me since the characters seem to reseble each other. Having a crew of powerful individuals and keep them inline with sheer power.

[fiery badger]

Wait what do you mean so far. One piece is like 85% over. And them having opposite intentions in taking down the celestials is the perfect father and son contrast that oda does.

Both have an extremely rebellious nature because they are blood but have opposite goals in taking them down

[placid bay]

I m sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say, can you please put more words into it (dumb it down in more detail) so can see your point of view because I lost you xD

[fiery badger]

"Dumb it down in more detail" sure I guess. Sounds like an oxymoron.

I'm saying that the contrast in dragon and rocks is the normal contrast oda does in father and son.

Ace and roger both have this innate characteristic not to back down to protect their comrades. I think it was shoe horned into the narrative to make ace death look better but yeah.

The rebellious nature of dragon and rocks could be a blood thing.

[placid bay]

I think I understand your point of view now. Well can we call Xebec's nature rebelious. From my understanding he wanted to conquer the world and not rebel against the celestial dragons. Dragon went against the celestial dragons in order to stop their cruelty, IMO Xebec didn't give a sh!t about the celectials as long as he was the ruler of the world.

[fiery badger]

Dragon luffy and xebec are the only ones rebellious enough to go against them directly.

That's the blood nature. That rebellious nature. Their dreams are different but they all share that

[placid bay]

And I am saying Xebec's doesn't fit because he fought the celestail dragons because he had to but Luffy and Dragon fight them because they want to.

[fiery badger]

What do you mean he had to tf. When did it become a necessity. They all chose of their own volition

[pure raven]

Xebec hated the celestial dragons, he intentionally went to God valley to murder them

[fiery badger]

They all willingly went against them. None were forced to do anything. I really am baffled where you got the idea that he was forced to go against them

[placid bay]

Hmm don't remember it very well, guess I ll have to re-read it but if so then I take the L xD. Still personaly I find far fetched for Xebec to be related to Luffy but not impossible xD ... My idea of him being forced to do so comes from that there is no other way to conquer the world.

[fiery badger]

Shiki wanted to conqueror the world. He wasn't a terrorist going directly against the wg

[placid bay]

He didnt have the power to do so thats why he wanted Rogen to join him. At least thats how I understood it.

[fiery badger]

I have a haki theory.

So basically it's about armament and conquerors haki. I strongly believe that roger and garp are the strongest conquerors and armament haki users

Roger - conquerors
Garp - conquerors

I believe the reason they are at the top and not rocks or anyone else is specifically because of their will/ambition/mindset.

Haki means ambition. I believe oda has shown why they are the top in these 2 hakis via their nature's.

The term armament in real life, so not one piece refers to weaponry, any form of weaponry. This is shields swords axes daggers knives, this is what the word Armament means.

I wanna distinguish
When I say armament(weaponry) and when I armament haki. I mean 2 different things

Garp does not use armament(weaponry), he uses armament haki but he doesn't use the armament( weaponry).
I believe garp strongly dislikes armament(weaponry) and lacks any talent when it comes to using weapons. And he doesn't like using them.
Armament haki as described by Rayleigh is invisible armour. It has offensive potential. But in its natural state it is defensive aka to protect. So the stronger one's desire to protect, the greater one's armament haki.
Garps epithet is the hero. As this is his epithet, it's essentially saying he is the most heroic character. So he has the strongest desire to protect others when he fights.
I believe this strongest desire to protect in combination with garps lack of armament(weaponry) and strong dislike for armament(weaponry) is what made him the strongest armament haki user

In regards to roger. I believe roger became the strongest conquerors haki user because of his nature aswell.

When I say conqueroring(territory) and when I say conquerors haki I mean 2 different things.

Roger strongly dislikes the literal meaning of conqueroring(territory). He has no desire to rule. Luffy is the same as roger in this regard. He has no desire to rule or conqueror. This is the moment Ray knew luffy was the guy he'd been waiting for.

As you would have noticed. Roger has no territory. Despite being the pirate king. He did not control any territory.

All the top tier pirates control territory. Kaidou big mom wb shanks. Roger disliked ruling and conqueroring territory. He had no desire to conqueror anything.

Sorry if I say armament or conqueroring too much I'm just tryna make it clear what I'm trying to say.

It is because of roger and garps ambition and nature that allowed him to become the strongest conqueror/armament haki user.

Oda is basically trying to hit home that it's those humble yet strong ambitions that allow these people to become the greatest haki users.

Roger is not the greatest conqueror.
And garp is not the greatest armament(weaponry) user

Roger is the strongest conquerors haki user. Garp is the strongest armament haki user.

Greatest and strongest are 2 different things.

Roger is the greatest pirate. He may not necessarily have been the strongest but greatest he definitely is

[sand sail]

One of the first things Garp does in the story is use cannon balls

He was also never placed at the top, Whitebeard and Roger were, unequivocally.

A further hole in the theory is that Whitebeard happened to be equally as powerful as Roger in haki, as we see demonstrated directly.

Roger was never the strongest conqueror's haki user.

[untold flicker]

Pretty good theory.

[late pier]

Brook might assume he will die again. Just because he believes it doesn't mean its true. It's called a "bad faith narrator".

Perhaps with his DF, when you get to your body in time, which is what usually happens , you live your life out and die like a normal person. However in brook's case it might not work like that because his body was already "dead".

[swift lance]

Interesting.. 👽

[proud tree]

interesting Sanskrit (an ancient language) word choices of Oda in Skypia:
Enels observation technique Mantra: from Mantra: मन्त्र “counsel, maxim, mantra” (other meanings in screenshot)... and
Shandora: चन्द्र Candra stems from the Sanskrit word for the Moon, "Chandra/ Candra" https://www.learnsanskrit.cc/translate?search=candra&dir=se ... but also number one , water, shining, moon stone, the most excellent among, lunar tbh idk how one word like Candra can have so many meanings ...
but also Candra can be translated to spot similar to the moon, which solidifies the theory that the creators of Shandora built the golden city similar to how it was on the moon, their original homeland

[proud tree]

many People Question how Enel is able to breathe on the moon, why is there air in space? How can a ship like Maxim, that is propelled by spinning rotors reach the moon? Oda could have been inspired by this Quote, the concept that planets are islands in the ocean of outer space:

"The "planets" are called dvīpas.
Outer space is like an ocean of air.
Just as there are islands in the watery ocean,
these planets in the ocean of space are called dvīpas, or islands in outer space"
— Chaitanya Caritamrita Madhya 20.218, Purport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvipa

[odd chasm]

I am gonna use Luffy’s bounty as the reference here. Luffy got 5 different bounties till now and Zoro and Sanji each had 3 different bounties throughout the series. Let’s see if Oda follows any pattern here or not.

1st bounty after East Blue saga:

Luffy - 30 million
Zoro - 0
Sanji - 0

2nd bounty after Alabasta saga:

Luffy - 100 million
Zoro - 60 million
Sanji - 0

3rd bounty after Enies Lobby:

Luffy - 300 million
Zoro - 120 million
Sanji - 77 million

4th bounty after Marineford:

Luffy - 400 million
Zoro - 120 million (no increase)
Sanji - 77 million (no increase)

5th bounty after Dressrosa:

Luffy - 500 million
Zoro - 320 million
Sanji - 177 million

5th bounty after Whole Cake Island:

Luffy - 1.5 billion
Zoro - 320 million (no change)
Sanji - 330 million

Let's determine Zoro’s bounty 1st and how his bounty works compared to Luffy. Zoro’s bounty usually follows 2 patterns.

Zoro’s new bounty is always higher than Luffy’s previous bounty (didn’t follow after Dressrosa)

Zoro’s new bounty is always more than half of Luffy’s new bounty (didn’t follow after enies lobby but Oda fixed that after Dressroa)

Since both of these patterns were disrupted 1 times each, both are equally valid or invalid. So, I’ll assume both are valid.

Since we don’t know how many times the strawhats will get bounty increases before eos, I’ll follow the 2nd pattern and use post Dressrosa bounty as reference because that’s the last time Zoro got his new bounty.

Post Dressrosa Bounty:

Luffy - 500 million
Zoro - 320 million

Luffy’s eos bounty : 5.6 billion

I’ll break this into 3 parts: 5 billion + 500 million + 100 million = 5.6 billion in total because Luffy had 2 out of 3 of these bounties and Zoro also had new bounties during each of them.

For Luffy’s 100 million bounty, Zoro had 60 million bounty

For Luffy’s 500 million Bounty, Zoro has 320 million bounty

For Luffy’s 5 billion bounty, Zoro will have 3.2 billion bounty (following post Dressrosa 500 million)

Adding these 3 numbers, we get, 60 million + 320 million + 3.2 billion = 3.68 billion bounty.

We can give him an extra 20 million if Luffy’s eos bounty is 5.656 (Gomu Gomu), which makes his bounty 3.7 billion.

So, to make it more accurate, Zor’s eos bounty will be 3.2 billion to 3.8 billion. This is somewhat close to the lowest bounty of the OG yonko (Shanks). I believe Zoro can’t have a higher bounty than any of the OG yonko because he isn’t the captain and leader of the pirate group.

Now, as for Sanji’s bounty, I’ll use Zoro’s bounty as the reference. There were 2 times when both Zoro and Sanji got new bounties.

After Enies' lobby, Zoro got 120 million, Sanji got 77 million.

After Dressrosa, Zoro got 320 million and Sanji got 177 million.

Whenever there are 20 at the end of Zoro’s bounty, there are 77 at the end of Sanji’s bounty.
So, if Zoro’s eos bounty is 3.2 billion, Sanji’s bounty will be 1.77 billion (following post Dressrosa pattern) and if Zoro’s eos bounty is 3.5-3.68 billion, Sanji’s bounty will be 2 - 2.3 billion, which is around the newest yonko Blackbeard’s bounty. IK, Sanji’s bounty is kinda messy but that’s the best I could think of after looking at what Oda wrote in the past.

TLDR: EOS bounty of the monster trio,

Luffy: 5.6 billion

Zoro: 3.68 billion

Sanji: 2.3 billion

@pure raven it's longer than I expected it to be. You don't need to read the whole thing unless you want to know why I expect those numbers. Also, these are estimations only. So, if the actual numbers are only few hundred millions apart, I'll be happy

[pure raven]

That's not a bad theory

[odd chasm]

IK zoro and sanji's bounty gap is a little bit large but I think my assumptions were fair

[pure raven]

I think Zoro's is gonna be over 4b just based on Shanks and Mihawk being comparable etc but it'll be cutting it close.

[odd chasm]

my reason was that Shanks is the captain while Zoro isn't. i don't expect mihawk or rayleigh to have 4 bil either because that same reason

[pure raven]

Sanji I don't know because his power arc feels fairly fulfilled and he's super underwhelming as it stands. - If Rayleigh doesn't have at least a 4b bounty, I'd be surprised. He's the right hand man of the most powerful character (across all spheres) period.

[odd chasm]

Don't get me wrong here. Imo prime Rayleigh> Shanks. But since bounty also keeps other things into consideration, I also had to do the same

[pure raven]

I don't disagree, but I'm not sure Shanks and Rayleigh aren't considered comparable in terms of influence due to their respective positions. Shanks may be a top world power today, but Rayleigh has maintained being the second in command of the ONLY (known) Pirate King. Plus he maintains making Kizaru look like a bit of a bitch.

[odd chasm]

As I said, it's good enough for me if their final bounties are only few hundred millions apart from my estimations. So, it can go over 4 bil and still be close to my calculation. In other words, I don't mind

[pure raven]

Fair fair. We'll just have to see based on the bounty raises here. Ngl I don't think we're as close to EoS as people think. We have the final war but then there's probably at least an epilogue we have to see too.

[odd chasm]

I expect 2-3 more bounty increase including the post wano bounty

[pure raven]

I'm inclined to agree. I think we're going to see a post war bounty then a post post war (when he's pirate king) and it'll be something many years later that pushes like, 10b or something, or maybe there won't be a system because Luffy overthrow the WG

[odd chasm]

I don't think we will follow the story that long. Also, you have to hate the new WG too much to wish them going bankrupt by paying only one person's bounty lmao.
Anyway, I agree that they will get a new bounty after wano (obviosuly) and a bounty after bb fight + pirate king stuffs

[pure raven]

I see Oda doing just a chapter Epilogue like 10+ years later or something as a show that Luffy really got the freedom and peace he sought after in his journey. It makes too much sense to me. But still. We'll see what happens. It depends how much Morgens plays a role.

[odd chasm]

I think that's fair

[pure raven]

The biggest thing, is assuming that the WG have a detailed look at the situation the way we or the scabbards did/do. It's not how story telling works to just assume omnipotence, especially of a character/set of characters that have proven otherwise. I think Luffy gets most of the credit for this, especially with the currently establish logic by Morgans/WG

[odd chasm]

luffy is definitely getting most of the credits

[pure raven]

I think Law/Kidd get second most, everyone else gets trickle

[pure raven]

EoS?
Explain what's that?
Aaah okay thanks
Hate this cd

End of Series

[terse plover]

Yeah should be like 20-30 seconds imo

[pure raven]

@odd chasm can you predict end of wano bounties?

[odd chasm]

Luffy 4-5 bil (assuming he will get another bounty)
Zoro - 2 bil ( 1.4-1.5 bil for king fight + 500-600 mil for rooftop)
Sanji - 1.4 bil-1.5 bil for queen fight
jimbe - 750 mil ( just below cracker's bounty+ assuming like other strawhats, he will get another bounty which will push his bounty above 1 bil)
Robin - 500 mil (for defeating black maria)
Franky - 400 mil
nami, ussop and brook will get minor bounty up unless Oda counts team works as they haven't done anything big
Chopper - will get another meme bounty. But he deserves 300-400 mil
Yamato if she joins - 800 mil - 1 bil
Law and Kid - Higher than zoro because they are captains. So, probably around 2.5 bil- 2.8 bil
which is roughly half of Big Mom's bounty + few hundred mils for the rooftop.
These are my opinions. One piece theories are mostly wrong. So, I would be happy if 30% of these bounties are correct

[ornate loom]

Zoro also slashed Apoo

[crimson pendant]

I'm guessing we will get a Post Wano arc. Similiar to Enis Lobby and Marineford. 2 Emperor's got taken down this is a global power shift. I think we will them recovering, some talks with Momonosuke as well as bounty updates and likely some info on Zoro's past. Culminating in a ceremony to crown Momonosuke as Shogun in which he will try to thank the Strawhats who will already be leaving because they don't want to be considered heroes.

[slim lance]

i believe enma forces his ryou out so he will learn to use it with the other swords too with time and now he mastered kings haki as well so he will be able to use both these hakis as lufy does

one my theory is that both kaido and BM are that type of emperor which is strongly based on the human being a monster on itself, without too much help from haki. Shanks and roger for instance would be the type of emperor who bases his strength from haki alone. Not to say that bm and kaido have low level haki of course. But my opinion is that they are not huge masters of haki and they don't even know what ryou is. This is backed up by the fact that when a clash between roger and newgate is shown, the typical weapons are shown not touching. Whereas when kaido and bm exchange their swings, the weapons are shown touching. So when kaido and bm feel something weird about the weapon, and kaido thinks about oden, my bet is that they are actually sensing pure ryou. I don't think enma has oden haki, i think it is all zoro haki being forced to ryou

so because kaido felt ryou from oden that reminded him of oden when he felt ryou from zoro too

if enma had oden's haki it wouldn't really make much sense to show zoro being drained

[modest skiff]

@ornate loom @pure raven @left elbow This channel is intended for paragraph form discussion rather than brief thoughts. We prefer to keep brief thoughts to #manga . Thank you!

[pure raven]

i really hope dragon and shanks will have their appearances asap

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for paragraph discussion rather than current thoughts on the series. Thoughts like this are regularly discussed in #manga so in the future please feel free to put stuff there. But I also hope Shanks and Dragon make appearances soon

[analog sun]

Does anyone know a good theory on the wordplay on Nolan's name? (One D initial away from No land)
I don't recall ever coming across one

NVM I'm wrong, his name already is Noland. The wordplay question remains

[late pier]

Zoro's bounty isn't "always" something, if it sometimes isn't that something.

There were only two times Zoro's bounty was higher than Luffy's previous one, his 1st and 2nd bounties. Granted that was out of ONLY three total. Zoro's bounty had only changed twice, after dressrosa was his third. You make it seem like there were many in between. There weren't. Also, Zoro being at least half the new bounty also only happened two times, out of a three times total.

Not enough to be a pattern, especially since it already changed. Neither can be considered a pattern.

Regarding Sanji, why not compare against Luffy like you did Zoro? I'd also more likely assume Oda just decided to up Sanji 100, and since Zoro did more that arc he upped him twice that much and kept the ends the same.

[late pier]

It is 100% because there was "No Land" when they went back to the island of gold and found it missing.

[analog sun]

Sure, it definitely works with that. I'm wondering if there's a theory about it hinting at something else for the future since he's been mixed into some of the endgame theories (like "done piece")

[steady prism]

__ Theory: Wano and the Two Rulers (Part 1)__

I’m looking forward to Momo’s announcement to Wano. This is a part of a larger theory I’m still working on but in the interest of getting this idea out there before chapter 1051, I figured I’d write a little bit of it now.

Wano’s depiction of an emperor has been largely monolithic. Earliest notions of a shogun in Wano was known to be a unique role given to only descendants of the Kozuki clan. Should the Kozuki clan not have any heirs, other clans can vie to become the next ruling clan. The big question I had is “how did the Japanese choose their emperors in the past?” After some reading, it turns out we might not have to choose a singular person out of Momo, Hiyori, or Hitetsu/Sukiyaki.

In the Yamato period in Japanese history, the Yamato clan operated very similarly to Wano; they were the “ruling clan” like the Kozuki and they ruled a coalition of other clans. So Wano’s hierarchy is largely based on how things were done in Japanese history.

However, once Orochi came to power in Wano, this leadership style has been fundamentally changed. Orochi and Kaido have become dual-rulers. In a way, Orochi handled the “internal affairs” and Kaido handled “external affairs”. This type of leadership suited these two people perfectly because Orochi’s grudge was towards the people of Wano while Kaido’s aims were well beyond the small squabbles within Wano and in weapons manufacturing.

Has there been precedence to this type of leadership? If we go further back in Japanese history to the Yayoi Period, we see the idea of “dual emperors” in the Yamatai kingdom. This clan operated very similarly to the Yamato with the exception that the dual rulers that were typically male/female counterparts that were related in some fashion (e.g. wife/husband, brother/sister, etc). These rulers are of the same bloodline and came together purely to work for the betterment of their kingdom. So how did they separate their roles? The female ruler would typically be a shamanistic figure that handles religious/spiritual affairs, while the male ruler would be the “face” of the kingdom and handle the secular/external affairs. It’s also worth mentioning that the female ruler had a higher status than the male ruler due to her shamanistic pedigree, so the male ruler would often make sure his decisions align with her oracles/prophecies/decisions. In other words, the male ruler is given full reign on these secular matters as long as it doesn’t contradict religious matters.

So, through this lens (ignoring the gender), we can think of Orochi as the one that handled the spiritual/religious affairs brainwashing Wano, while Kaido was obviously the one that handled the secular/external affairs communicating with other countries and the WG. Kaido never undermined Orochi’s leadership, not even when Oden won their bet.

Now that Orochi and Kaido are defeated, what will happen? I believe that Oda will transition Wano’s emperorship from a mono-rule to a duo-rule. I believe that Hiyori will be the female ruler of Wano and help heal the spiritual divides in the country.

The male ruler is difficult to pinpoint because we have both Momo and Hitetsu/Sukiyaki as potential successors. Once again, looking back at how emperors are chosen in Japanese history, the one with greater influence (and a little bit of backstabbing) usually is the one that ends up ruling. So, if the people of Wano love Momo, then I believe Momo will be the male ruler. On the other hand, if the people of Wano fear Momo due to his dragon appearance, then Hitetsu/Sukiyaki would be a better candidate for the sake of stability/peace in the region.

I believe that a lot of Japanese historical themes will come into play and Wano, like Skypiea, is a microcosm of both “what has happened in the past” as well as “what’s to come”. This idea is dual-rulers is not baseless and is grounded in what we’ve seen with Orochi/Kaido as well as the numerous inspirations Oda has taken from various historical figures/events throughout this story.

That’s all for now. There is still a metric ton of things I’d like to say, but I’ll let it marinate for a little longer. Thanks for reading!

[pure raven]

I don't think this is true but there might be a good possibility that dragon is luffy's mother and was in the military before getting pregnant with him then after switching over let me know him today because of Ivanka

[normal plume]

What if Luffy's mom is the previous empress, would that make him relted to Boa? It would also explain why she couldn't raise him

[crimson pendant]

You make good points but keep in mind CP0 was present and seen Zoro take a simultanious attack from Big Mom and Kaido head on and succeeded in protecting those behind him from harm, then went on to defeat King in 1 on 1 combat.

[late pier]

not sue what this has to do with anything i said lol

[lyric berry]

Empresses don’t seem to be blood related, it’s kinda implied it’s based on strength. Boa is not related to Nyon and Nyon implied Boa rose through the ranks due to her strength

[crimson pendant]

It's about your bounty comment. Luffy got a bounty of 1.5b for being the captain and exchanging blows with Big Mom and beating her #2 and 1 other commander. Considering Zoro's achievements in the battle in Wano are far more impressive than Luffy's in Whole Cake Island.

[crimson pendant]

I also thing Zoro is likely hoing to exceed a 2b bounty after Wano.

[late pier]

I didn't make a bounty comment, I pointed out someone else's logic and math was off and being misrepresented in their theory bout a bounty but I didn't remark on what their actual bounties would be or why.

[crimson pendant]

Right didnt realize you replying to someone. I just skimmed it and thought you where saying Zoros bounty wouldn't exceed Luffys previous.

[manic lichen]

guys we missed something BIG,
in the song "BINK'S SAKE"
we have lines that connect to the main story,
one of them is : "Bid farewell to the weaver's town, so long to port reowned"
now what we can interpret from this is that the "weaver's town" is none other than wano, since the kozuki clan are the ones who wrote the history on the poneglyphs and possibly at laugh tale, and since weaving is creating something entirely new from something else, the kozuki clan are the weavers in this sense
the next line i want to refer to is "somewhere in the sky, story winds are blowing by. Waves are dancing, evening comes, its time to sound the drums, but steady men and never fear, tomorrows skies are always clear. So pound your feet and clap your hands till the sunny days return"
here 'stormy winds', 'dancing waves' and 'evening' indicate the commencement of a sorrowful period or a fight, 'tomorrow's sky's are always clear' means the upcoming dawn, 'time to sound the drums' and 'pound your feet and clap your hands' mean the sound of the drums of liberation, 'till the sunny days return' means the days when the 'sun god' rules and brings joy. This directly indicates to wano, where the samurai never fear, there is the raid battle, the continuous phrase of bringing the dawn and the drums of liberation are rung by luffy
next is : "wave goodbye, but dont you cry, our memories remain. Our days are but a passing dream, everlasting though they seem. Beneath the moon we'll meet again, the winds our lullaby."
here we can EASILY notice the meaning, the 'goodbye' is a message by joyboy to the people, the 'memories' are the writings on laugh tale and the poneglyphs, the 'everlasting days but dreamy days' is the history of the void century, the one piece and the poneglyph's stories, which are everlasting as well. 'beneath the moon we'll meet again' indicates the return of joyboy

anyhow, we need to revise the song once again. The songs in one piece are very important.

[stiff scroll]

Germa 66 looking like its about to take over BM territory

[proud tree]

also Shandorians have written "weaving history with the song of the golden bell" in Poneglyphs, so the weavers town could be the golden city of Shandora? Since weaving is explicitly mentioned here that sounds like this line in Binks Sake is referring to this. ( The Connection to Wano: Wano once was called Country of Gold, and they seem to be the inventors of the poneglyphs ..." (chapter 272)

So its clear the Kozuki created the golden city (since they are the only ones capable of writing this language), that Enel destroyed later .

[modest skiff]

This channel is intended for long winded theories in paragraph form but thoughts like what is next in Germa vs BM pirates is a good topic for the other manga channels, such as #manga-serious

[modest skiff]

Only one in modern time. May have been the common language of Wano once upon a time

[tidal ember]

Luffy gets ill from gear 5?

[modest skiff]

Ask questions like this in the other manga channels please. This channel is intended for long paragraph theories and the discussion of them

It is unclear if Luffy gets sick or if his new form is just exhausting. Seems to just be exhausting rather than some kinda bigger cost

[west saffron]

Ok, I think that the poneglyph language isn't specific to the Kozuki. I know the Kozuki created the poneglyphs, but If these contain the void century history, its probably more like the language or script of the ancient kingdom as a whole.

I think the ancient kingdom very obviously is connected to the Kozuki, Shandorians, Alabasta, and Fishman Island. I think that at the very least the Kozuki and Shandorians were actually a part of the ancient kingdom, but i dont see why Alabasta would be part of the ancient kingdom since they sided with the world government.
From the poneglyph on fishman island, we can assume that Poseidon and Fishman island are separate, but at the very least related kingdom.

[pure raven]

Shanks is based on Tyr, a germanic redehad god that sacrifices his hand and is consumed by Fenrir/Garmr (Blackbeard) during Ragnarok (upcoming Elbaf Saga)

[snow herald]

If luffy accepts Yamato, he is 99% going to demand yamato to stop calling him/herself Oden and to start living his/her own life.
I also think Otama will want to stay in Wano now to help it prosper and grow stronger with her mum.

[fading ore]

I think that the grimreaper is something from enma and zoro is trying to control it so there is a much more possibility for the ZKK theory

[halcyon tusk]

i think it’s just the Will of the Sword embodied. Haki be doin wild stuff sometimes. Could be the sword ate a mythical devil fruit modeled after the King of Hell. Could be the curse within the blade presenting itself to Zoro and will clash to settle things for keeps

[pure raven]

My theory why kaido didn't awakendned.. So what I think is that.. After all this year's kaido trying to die and hurting his body.. His body have reached at a level that his normal power have equal power when he awaken.. It's like that his base form is just as strong as his awaken form.. Like reaching a limit.. Just my theory..

[halcyon tusk]

why’s it so hard to just take the flame dragon mode as having been an awakened state? kinda seemed like a last ditch effort all or nothing technique to me

[cold pasture]

I personally thing Kaido's fruit just doesn't have an visual awakened version, the flame dragon mode was a special attack similar to Dofies God thread attack and just like the impel down zoans, maybe his awakening was just an increase in power and recovery.

[halcyon tusk]

or the Dragon was the awakening the whole time. might’ve actually just been a fish at first 🤣😂

[polar rivet]

Is this the first time that Oda has outright told us the future fate of a character? That final text box says "he will be known", which is laying out a confirmed future for Momo. Its different from when Luffy says he's going to be pirate king, or Zoro says he'll be the greatest swordsman. Those statements are first person statements of dreams and plans, I can't remember another time where Oda's narration outright stated the future fate of a character.

[white pendant]

I believe he was already awakened. He has the koi fish fruit after all.

[steady prism]

I agree it’s extremely unique. We talked about it a little bit over here and listed out other moments Oda foreshadowed stuff via text boxes like that: #manga-serious message

[steady prism]

Finally a number theory that came out right, the raid really did come to a “final conclusion” by ch 1051

[mental wagon]

I have a theory that is kinda dumb and baseless, but would be perfectly one piece imo, so luffys and blackbeards fruits look hella similar and luffys fruit is a god fruit as we know which a lot of people have pointed out opens the possibility of blackbeards fruit being a god df as well, but that’s not what I’m getting at. What I’m getting at is BUGGYS chop chop fruit, which also looks very similar to the first two color and design wise, this may be kinda a stretch but what if buggy has a god df fruit as well? Idk if oda would waste such an impactful and important fruit for a joke like buggy, but if he was willing I think it’s totally possible. Ik this is kinda dumb, and a huge stretch, just a midnight thought. Do I think it’s true? Absolutely not. Do I think it would be funny? Absolutely I do

Buggy’s fruit for reference

[modest skiff]

Damn, that is clearly the godly swirls that we are shown correlate to divinity fruits. This is called "tene"

I have pondered his fruit in the past because IIRC it is the only body altering ability that seems to be immune to haki. The ability to split at will is very unique, especially since he can also fly in ways. That fruit clearly has the tene common to Luffy and Yamato's fruits

[eternal hemlock]

I know a popular theory for Chapter 1056 is Luffy meeting Shanks. But what other theories are out there?

[tawdry hollow]

anyone seen oharas new vid on luffy isnt joyboy, but joyboy is, luffy

[naive ravine]

I was just about to ask that lmao

[dense bluff]

What do you guys feel about the continent puller theory

Where all the main island in OP was pulled by giant animals or creatures.
Example Zunesha in Zou, sea kings in FMI

They were all part of the ancient kingdom and pangea castle was the centre of it(pangea castle is named after continent before it split into 7)

[long locust]

hello everyone

https://youtu.be/NIxJVfml3eo

i want to know all of your thoughts on this

[plain shell]

Interesting, It might be trur ngl

Also new-ish theory:

Gear 5 will cost Luffy an eye every usage, making him wear an eyepatch.

After the final battle, he will lose both eyes, making him blind

When they get to the One Piece, Luffy will not be able to see what it is, but will know what it's like from his nakama's reactions

[idle dew]

Damn

[frosty pasture]

So if the dragon form is the awakening of the koi fruit (cause if not then it should be the dragon fruit e.g. magikarp -> gyarados ), how can momo have the dragon form since the really beginning without the experience to awaken the fruit?

[cyan berry]

because Kaido was never a fish

He was always a dragon

his fruit model is Azure Dragon

he didnt evolve from a fish or whatever

and the same applied to Momo

[frosty pasture]

that explains it thanks

[pure raven]

can I just post this here since it's a theory, and the evidence is there? maybe pin it too

[sly cloak]

thats actually reasonable

[slender fulcrum]

Luffy will refuse Yamato.
Yamato will join either way ( like Oden ) and will force hersef into the crew.
Luffy will then says yes

[eager frost]

once Sanji and Brook refuse to feed him and sing songs he will change his mind.

[fathom matrix]

if he beats kaido, then it would have to be 50 billion

cause if you defeat a yonko with a bounty over 46 billion, you're bound to get a higher one

that just means in the eyes of the government you're a bigger threat

[obtuse shore]

Small theory: at the end of the series, Nami will either open/run an orphanage or become a mother.
In Punk Hazard it might have seemed like it's just a callback to her backstory, but since then she has repeatedly reacted to children and mothers. Newest instance being a reaction shot from Nami in chapter 1051 when Tama says that she wants Horsella as her mother. The theme of mother/child should somehow be a part of Nami's future since it's being set up so much.

[slender fulcrum]

Don't forget that even if Law and Kid will be credited for BM's downfall, Luffy will be flagged as the mastermind and the one responsinle for this and will probably be the one framed for the fall of two emperors ( I can fathom the gag , with the press saying that BM was beaten by underlings of Luffy, Law and Kidd )

[visual merlin]

He may be seen as the leader, but they're still getting credit for BM's defeat

he'll just get credit for kaido

[slender fulcrum]

They will, but as Luffy's underlings ( which will unnerve Kidd )

[visual merlin]

more likely it'll be put as luffy law and kid taking down 2 emperors

[visual merlin]

Why would it be as his underlings?

[slender fulcrum]

Because the Press is run by Morgan and Morgan is rooting for Luffy. He did the same in WCI saying that Capone was part of Luffy s masterplan to attack big mum, even if it is false Morgan will word it as if Law and Kidd followed Luffy s order to take big mum

[visual merlin]

Morgans likes all the novas, and he isn't here currently, it's not like that thing in WCI is gonna happen every arc ever, and back in WCI we didn't have anyone beating someone as big as Big mom like we have now

its easier to argue it was luffy's plan because there's no way of determining who made the plan there, but when law and kid are the actual ones to take BM down, they'll be credited fairly

It should be the same as dressrosa

People also are completely aware they're not underlings

[slender fulcrum]

What I mean is that Morgan went as far as saying that Luffy ( not capone ) was the 5th emperor despite not being accurate, he will spread a fake news about it, garanteed

[visual merlin]

Neither are the 5th emperor, he gave luffy more credit than he deserved, but that was just from him arguing luffy was the one who made the plan. But again, a plan is different from actually taking down the enemy

[slender fulcrum]

We'll see. Anyway the direct witness is a CP-O dude

[visual merlin]

Morgans likes all the novas, and its unlikely oda is going to keep repeating this fake news thing

[slender fulcrum]

He already did it twice ( 5th emperor and the sabo thing )

[visual merlin]

Im talking about in relevance to luffy and his bounties

[slender fulcrum]

Well what is sure is that his bounty will skyrocket.

Joy-boy + defeating kaido === jackpot.
He may have a bounty equal to roger , or more. ( since joy boy is a superior threat than roger )

[fathom matrix]

Law and Kidd might get 3 billion each. Since it was a joint effort

[visual merlin]

probably less than that, but this discussion may be better off in a different channel

[fathom matrix]

Here's a question

Do you guys think Kaido and Big Mom were blasted away by that Volcano eruption?

It'd maybe make sense? Cause Big Mom could land somewhere and her kids pick her up, and Kaido could be picked up by King?

[deft crow]

but that seems kinda pointless

if they lost and just stayed on onigashima then they could still be picked up by king and bm crew, so im sure the volcano has some other purpose

[fathom matrix]

Hmmmmmmmm, well yeah, fair point, though I wonder how they're gonna get big mom and kaido out the lava

[visual merlin]

they won't

that'd be the whole point of the lava, that they're dead now

[shadow bramble]

luffy got dubbed as the 5th emperor as he’s a pirate captain that got past over a billion berry bounty

[pure raven]

you got the numbers wrong, nobody has a 50B bounty lol

[fathom matrix]

Shit right, my B. I meant 5 bill, lol

[meager jasper]

Hey guys. Wanted to discuss this new theory I read about. It was about Luffy not being Joyboy, but Joyboy being Luffy. As in, Luffy traveled back in time, wrote the poneglyphs himself. Which would mean that what Roger read on the poneglyphs is just the story of Luffy's crew. The same story we're watching. It would also explain why Shanks bet everything on Luffy, why Rayleigh wanted to meet Luffy so badly and frankly, I feel it's a more elegant way of portraying luffy than him just being a 'destined god child'. What do you guys think?

[visual merlin]

what

[fathom matrix]

TBH, that's a little too fucky in terms of the story.

Plus, time travel's a bitch

[visual merlin]

how would he travel back in timea

and that messes everything up involving luffy being the one to be the second pirate king

[shadow bramble]

tokis df can only travel forward right? also nothing explains the large strawbat

[visual merlin]

yes

[lunar shell]

I think its not far from the truth indeed

[visual merlin]

and how would he write poneglyphs

[meager jasper]

No clue. Imu does look like the hands of a clock while sitting on her throne. But it's just a vague theory that I think is actually pretty wholesome.

[fathom matrix]

yea. It would be cool if the Toki Toki No Mi could suspend people in animation, keeping them frozen, but reversal is impossible

[lunar shell]

I think Luffy’s will is what’s going trough time.

The part about Shanks no Shanks purely saw in Luffy a great will that he bet will be the one Roger expect

[meager jasper]

What if Vegapunk is Franky, but he got stuck in the past!😂 Can I link youtube videos here? I'd link the theory.

[shadow bramble]

wouldnt that mean that toki would age a whole lot since time is still flowing through her when she time travelled? same with momo and the others?

[meager jasper]

https://youtu.be/NIxJVfml3eo This is the theory. Tell me what you guys think.

[fathom matrix]

I mean if you're suspended in animation you don't change at all...or move or think. It's like you stop and out of nowhere when it's undone everything around you changes

[meager jasper]

Glad you see some sense in it. I'd actually love it if it was the case.

[shadow bramble]

oh i interpreted it the wrong way, i thought that the user would suspend everything and only they are the ones that can move

[left elbow]

My guess is they were absorbed by the volcano leading them to a different world under the sea level. Could be on their way to the vodka kingdom

[fathom matrix]

Either way, they're gonna be singed as hell...well Big Mom Mainly

[soft urchin]

Luffy is Gol D Roger. He will be flung into the past with amnesia and literally become the Pirate King

[scenic thicket]

death came to zoro so he and kuina could talk once more

[vestal plinth]

How likely is it for the Big Mom pirates to fight over succession and split up after Big Mom and Perospero have been defeated/killed/are MIA and Germa easily waltzed in and out to free Niji and Yonji?

[upper beacon]

Theory:
While all devil fruit users get weak in water, zoans are the only ones able to use their fruit in water.
Case in point: chapter 86, Luffy stretches to breathe in Arlong Park because someone else pulled his head out, and Chopper does not lose sentience when submerged underwater in Skypeia. No paramecia or logia has ever been observed using any devil fruit ability while underwater.

@glacial vessel helped me with this one

[drowsy marsh]

Cover story is not finished yet, but I don't think they will dissolve. And the only people I think are eligible to lead are Perospero and Kat.

[vestal plinth]

Katakuri stayed at WCI to recuperate and protect it, right? Guess he should show up in the cover story soon, then.

[weak summit]

I don't think it's a coincidence that all of the really villainous members of the Big Mom Pirates got on the ship to Wano while the more chill and redeemable ones stayed back to watch WCI

It feels like the fall of Big Mom and Perospero is going to be used as an opportunity to completely restructure the crew and kingdom to be less horrific

[vestal plinth]

Mind you, I am super biased because I hope Katakuri shows up as an ally in the future, either by joining the grand fleet or with a reformed BM crew

[tame beacon]

Theory: the reason why no one has found the all blue is because of Marie Geois and the red line. The celestial dragons and world govt. built the red line and by the end of the show luffy when he takes down the world govt. and becomes pirate king will destroy the red line (achieving Brooks dream of remeeting laboon and remaking the all blue)

[proud tree]

so you think Robin is referring to the post void century time with this statement? (chapter 272)
or was this even true before the void century, that the only ones who could write Poneglyphs where the Kozuki

[west saffron]

I think that the kozuki and the ancient kingdom were synonymous. the Kozuki clan being part of the Ancient Kingdom. that statement would still apply.

[brazen lantern]

So........ what happens of big mom and kaido now, it doesnt't seems like they are dead...... bb caputres kaido seems more likely now to me.

[west saffron]

thats FUNKY

[brazen lantern]

would big mom and kaido would still be considered as yonkos with kid or law being an emperor now? So manny questions

[west saffron]

i think the whole 'emporer' title is being thrown out

[tawny belfry]

I am late but:

Robin used her devil fruit power to hinder the ship from being smashed into cliffs on their way down to Fishman Island. She "spawned" arms completely submerged in the sea.

I think whatever tells the most compelling story will be allowed when it comes to devil fruit powers

[modest skiff]

@brazen lantern @west saffron conversations like you are having are a better fit for #manga-serious rather than here because this channel is intended more for long paragraph theories

[proud tree]

theory: Luffy killed the entire Black Cat pirate crew (with captain Kuro as their captain) by destroying the keel of his ship in chp. 30, he killed the ship, like Bellamy later destroyed the going Merry by ripping its bow of in chapter 231. Like we learn in chapter 351 it is suicide to use a ship in this condition, but Kuro and his crew used it to sail away from Syrup village. So Kuro died later by drowning on the ocean.

A counter argument is that Kuro could use the little lifeboat that he used to kill the entire marine ship. But still the main pirate ship of the Black Cat Pirates sank, killing the majority of the crew

[brittle peak]

Enel's awakening could be broken considering there's many types of other mysterious lightning: Ball Lightning which is condensed lightning that scientist say that is a billion times more dense than normal straight narrow lightning. Red sprite lightning which are red, jellyfish-shaped bursts of electricity that dance above thunderstorms, which start as balls of light that then begin to stream downward. Dark Lightning which is made up of high-energy electrons that collide with air particles to produce dangerous gamma rays. And last but not least: positive lightning as It comes from the positively charged particles that gather at the top of a cloud, which usually just end up connecting with the negatively charged ones at the bottom. But when those get out of the way, like at the end of a storm or in a strong wind, positive lightning can strike the ground. There's a reason it's referred to as a "bolt from the blue" — it often comes in clear skies. So enel's awakening can be many things involving these different types of lightning.

[steady prism]

Okay you’ve lost me at Darkness God and Day God.…..

[celest oracle]

Cause luffy is the '5th emperor' according to 'big news' morgan so naturally that is enough space for law and kid to be yonko

[meager jasper]

So has anyone seen this?

[tiny ocean]

Ye just now. I think it has some potential. From writing point of view idk... Going back in time, winning this time, altering everything would invalidate a lot of stuff that happened in the OP world so far. Another option is going back in time, doing all that stuff the same way (writing poneglyphs, punishing zunesha etc), then letting another 800 years of suffering for slaves happen would have no point...
ye I think this is my problem. its either altering everything or failing to fix something. Id rather not give the option to strawhats to go back in time.

[hollow basin]

So shanks evil?

[mossy frigate]

Maybe?

[hollow basin]

Saw the scene with Luffy with all the legends behind him from the anime today and the colouring seems very important, can't post it because no image perms :(

[plain garden]

Black beard is 100% gonna get kaidos fruit, probably through the fruits reincarnation

[fathom matrix]

Shanks isn't entirely a good person, so it makes him less likely to be evil

extremely good characters are the most likely to be fucked up or deceptive. Plus, it wouldn't be a good twist, but overall character assassination and have no true or real reason for him to be evil.

[modest skiff]

This panel disproves evil shanks theory imo

[pure raven]

Shanks def isn’t evil he be doing some dumb stuff is he’s evil

[steady prism]

In my opinion, OP is a story that has strong ties to Buddhist ideas. This story revolves around different people in different eras that have common beliefs/dreams/goals, better known as inherited will. We have so many people that has inherited the wills of their predecessor. These beliefs/ideas keep getting renewed in every era, but the inheritor is free to interpret it in their own way.

In contrast, Imu and the WG have not allowed their wills to be inherited and rather went against the cycle of life and death by remaining in power for several hundred years. In that time, they have solidified their rule, which means they’ve maximized their own freedom by limiting everybody else’s. They’re essentially thriving in a stale pond. One Piece to me is a story that shows that over time, even in a stale pond, small ripples create big waves.

Despite the intriguing premise and evidences, I find time travel to be problematic. By introducing time travel, I feel that it is inadvertently trampling on the spirit behind inherited will. It means Luffy did not inherit Roger’s/Joyboy’s will and interpreted it in his own way. Instead, he’s the originator and the inheritor at the same time; a time loop. The primary inherited wills that we’ve seen in the story (all blue, true history, etc.) become the will of the SHs.

Some details don’t exactly add up. Firstly, Toki was time traveling forward in short bursts while she frantically searched for Wano, not Oden. She knew that Joyboy will return, but she didn’t know when exactly. Secondly, Franky being Vegapunk is kinda cool but makes zero sense why he’d work with the WG. Thirdly, how in the world would Luffy ensure that Roger got the straw hat 800 years later? By conveniently traveling to the day Roger was born? What I’m trying to say is a lot of effort/headcannon would have to be made to force it to fit into the story.

Sigh, this was a lot longer than I expected. It’s my two cents, hopefully you see where I’m coming from.

[sand sail]

This isn't overwhelming proof, and this isn't really a theory for this channel. You can present the idea in a different manga channel.

[modest skiff]

This is more of a topic for #manga-serious since this channel is intended for posting long paragraph form theories

[tall reef]

aight, my apologies

[idle dew]

A thought I had:

Luffy isn't the chosen one, his fruit is the Hito Hito no mi model Nika, he's Sun God Nika and the warrior of liberation yes, but none of these tie to joyboy

I think joyboy is a state of mind, maybe it's what happens when D.'s die, thats why they all die with a smile, they momentarily become joyboy, but luffys fruit allowed him to surpass death which made him joyboy while alive

[pure raven]

Joyboy=Nika

[idle dew]

No

[modest topaz]

Wonder if the next arc will involve around Shanks ?

[wind saddle]

Theory:
Tokis awakening was traveling forward in time so she or they could see luffy and that's also why roger said "i wish i could live in the same time as you"

[jaunty stump]

This ignores Zunesha instantly recognizing Luffy as Joyboy (his "old friend") through the sound of his new heartbeat, which is directly tied to his devil fruit. He literally says, "joyboy has returned!" So I'm not sure where the confusion/misunderstanding comes from. Probably want to reread those chapters.

[slender fulcrum]

All Blue is implied to already exists though. Sanji mentionned it in an early chapter when he finds a fish on a market that wasn't supposed to live in the sea he was in, which means that there is somewhere a place where all the seas meet. The only place right know where such thing happen is on top of Reverse Moutain. I'm guessing there is an underwater sea or pool beneath where all the seas meets too.

[plain herald]

IM is going to send Luffy back in time to the void century, which creates the legend of Joyboy.

[pure raven]

There was a One Piece chapter the victor needs no epithet, and the people who won had an epithet, what if Oda is foreshadowing Kaido and Big Mom return

[bitter cave]

I cant remember where but I remember reading that all swords have a will of their own, eg mihawks sword not wanting to fight luffy when we first met him. As we know, enma is the sword that can cut to the depths of hell while its counterpart is the feathery cutter of heaven. Zoro, first had trouble adapting to the sword but has been slowly learning to master it and right before he defeated king he said I will become the king of hell whic made me believe that the reaper that appeared was the physical manifestation of Enma, who is the current king of hell so for zoro to become the king of hell he would have to mabye deafeat or come to terms with enma like Ichigos zanapakuto.

cant wait to get blasted for having an opinion

[mossy lava]

You're kinda on to something

[bitter cave]

I think that Oda forgot about swords and zoro altogether, or Oda will just fking troll everyone with zoro being from another place and has not ties to Wano. Classic Oda

[hearty chasm]

you on crack

[scarlet minnow]

Theory: Shanks purposely let luffy eat the df and had some doubt about it later. Its highly unlikely that Shanks accidently left such a legendary fruit in an OPEN box right besides a child.

After luffy ate the fruit and got kidnapped, Shanks had some doubt and thought about letting the seabeast kill luffy so that the fruit would re appear somewhere else. He made up his mind and chose to save luffy, and made up for hesitating by giving an arm away. There's no way that an emperor lost an arm to some random weak sea beast. Also, when talking with whitebeard, Shanks said that he "gave his arm up for a new generation." He didn't say that he lost it, he said that he sacrificed it.

[pure raven]

Why tho? Like why let him eat it he know nothing about Luffy

[scarlet minnow]

I guess he was searching for people with D in their name

[pure raven]

The sacrifice is him losing his arm like he could have just let him die but he doesn’t so that’s the sacrifice

[scarlet minnow]

Yea ik but he must have sacrificed it for a deeper reason, I doubt he would actually lose an arm to a sea beast